1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,120 Welcome to the Ocean Water Podcast. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,280 I have my good friend Ed Love on here today. 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,640 Actually, it's Dr. Ed Love. 4 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:07,960 He doesn't really roll like that. 5 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:09,280 Don't throw that out. 6 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:14,280 And so Ed has planted a church that has planted churches 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,920 and helped architect a relational network 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,440 of church planting churches called the Greenhouse Network. 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,400 That went really, really well. 10 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,720 And so well that Ed has been asked now 11 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,360 to help other people with starting churches 12 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,760 and starting church planting 13 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,120 and putting together church planting networks. 14 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,080 And Ed is the National Planting Director 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,200 for the Wesleyan Church and just a wonderful guy. 16 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,800 I got to know you, Ed, about a year ago. 17 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,880 And you actually had visited Ocean Water. 18 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:48,720 Yeah. 19 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:49,720 So I'm grateful for that. 20 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,760 That was wonderful the night you came. 21 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,120 We were meeting in an under-construction coffee place. 22 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:55,940 It's done now. 23 00:00:55,940 --> 00:00:57,040 So the next time you see it. 24 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:57,880 Oh, awesome. 25 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,080 I loved it, man. 26 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:01,960 Loved it. 27 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,200 It was a great time and so good to be with you here today 28 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,760 on this podcast. 29 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:07,840 Yeah, we're at the beach today. 30 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,680 This is fun. 31 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,560 We got our background. 32 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,600 This is, I just want to say thank you 33 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,240 for taking some time to chat today. 34 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,600 So, Ed, when you're at home these days, 35 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,820 we've spent a lot of time at home. 36 00:01:18,820 --> 00:01:21,240 Some of us venture out and get a meal here and there. 37 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,000 And when you do, where do you like to go 38 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,240 and what do you like to get? 39 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,960 The hometown meal, you know. 40 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,680 Well, I live in a pretty small town, like ultra small. 41 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,240 Like there's only one restaurant in the town. 42 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,880 So I only have one option. 43 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,760 Now I could go into a bigger city, you know, 44 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,200 and get whatever I wanted. 45 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:51,200 But in our town, in Gaston, Indiana, 46 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,120 the place to go is Mill Street Inn. 47 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,800 And so my go-to there, this might sound a little weird, 48 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,800 but my go-to is a grilled cheese, grilled ham and cheese. 49 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,400 And it's with that real salty kind of country ham, so good. 50 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,160 And tomato soup, that's my go-to. 51 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,880 That's pretty tasty. 52 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,280 I'm very hungry right now, so everything sounds good. 53 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,240 Awesome, so what do you do in these days 54 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,180 and how did you get into it? 55 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,320 Yeah, well, I oversee church planning and multiplication 56 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:38,700 for the Wesleyan Church. 57 00:02:38,700 --> 00:02:41,560 And the organization that we have that kind of 58 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,320 holds all of our church planning systems 59 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,160 is called the Church Multiplication Collective. 60 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,640 And so I bring direction to that organization, 61 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,660 which helps serve church planters 62 00:02:56,660 --> 00:02:59,200 and multiplying church leaders. 63 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,360 So those would be like churches that are planting churches 64 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,480 and sending people out exactly what you're up to. 65 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,480 And so we try to serve those leaders the best we can 66 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,000 and help them with all kinds of resourcing 67 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,720 and coaching and training and assessing 68 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,200 and a lot of fun stuff. 69 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,200 It really feels like we're on the front lines 70 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:27,200 of the kingdom work and getting to see new things start. 71 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,240 Super exciting, I love starting new things. 72 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:33,880 I got that entrepreneurial edge, 73 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,760 which I think is why God ended up using me 74 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,660 in the church planting realm, starting new churches. 75 00:03:41,660 --> 00:03:44,440 But I love seeing it start up. 76 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,960 I love the work that you're doing. 77 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,640 Seeing that start up was just incredible. 78 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,640 And actually when I got to be there in that space 79 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,520 was what, Taco Tuesday you called it, right? 80 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:58,920 The church gathering. 81 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,200 And we're eating tacos in this, 82 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,520 like the building's being renovated. 83 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:06,600 I think while we're there, 84 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,520 there's like tools sitting out and drywall mud 85 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,600 and we're in there gathering and worshiping. 86 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:17,600 And it just was an incredible experience. 87 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,040 Cause that's the way a start up is. 88 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,640 It's kind of, it's raw, it's rough, 89 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,120 and it's not meant to be well polished. 90 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:33,120 And that's kind of the cool part of it, I think. 91 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,440 So, and to know like God's using it. 92 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,680 I kid you not, I don't remember who it was, 93 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,920 but I was talking to someone out on the street 94 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,080 and they're like, they had just started reading 95 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,040 the book of Acts and they're like, 96 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,040 man, this church just feels like the book of Acts. 97 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,480 And I was like, that is a cool description of a new church. 98 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,000 That's the way it should be, right? 99 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,800 So, pretty sweet. 100 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,840 Oh, thanks Ed. 101 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:05,280 Yeah, that was a really fun night. 102 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:10,280 And that was fun for us to meet in that space. 103 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,280 There's a whole backstory there, 104 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:15,360 but the guy who's like my brother, 105 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,240 he's actually on our advisory team for Ocean Water, 106 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,200 his name's Mark Bell. 107 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,720 And him and my other friend, they built that together 108 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,200 and they allow us to meet there for free. 109 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,880 So it was just nice to be a part of that journey 110 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,400 and allowing things to be messy and dirty. 111 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,760 And that's all part of the startup grind. 112 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,640 And you kind of lean into that. 113 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,640 And it was just nice to, really nice to share 114 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:45,680 that night with you. 115 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,600 That was a really cool experience. 116 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,880 One of the things that's fun to do, Ed, 117 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,760 we're around, I think we're around the same age. 118 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,760 The current Ed could talk to like, you know, 119 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,000 20 year old Ed, you know, 120 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,000 what are some things he might've said? 121 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Like, oh, goodness. 122 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,120 What are some things you wish you'd known 123 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,120 when you started out? 124 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,920 Maybe some ways you've changed. 125 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:17,560 What I would have said to myself 20 years ago, 126 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,680 yeah, it's about a straight 20 years 127 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,400 when I started like full-time ministry. 128 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,240 I would have said, Ed, you know nothing. 129 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,960 So don't act like you do. 130 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,960 Which, you know, which seriously, 131 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,520 when I first began ministry 132 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,400 and kind of the lifestyle that I lead, 133 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,600 I probably did come across a little bit prideful 134 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,520 and I wasn't married yet. 135 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,520 And when I kind of, when I was, 136 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:02,720 I got married pretty young. 137 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,480 So I was like 22 when I got married. 138 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,480 And in the kind of the engagement time period, 139 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,320 Emily, my wife, we started doing like premarital counseling, 140 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,160 right? 141 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,720 And kind of getting ready for marriage, 142 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,920 kind of doing everything right, you know? 143 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,520 And it was there that I realized very quickly 144 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,960 because Emily and I started button heads 145 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,360 and it was like, ooh, there's some stuff going on here. 146 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,960 And what I quickly discovered, 147 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,640 and it was pointed out to me by our lovely counselor, 148 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,080 who I thought was on my side, 149 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,360 but he just looked at me one day, he's this old guy, 150 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,440 he's got plenty of credibility with me 151 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,440 and he's just like, Ed, you're prideful. 152 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,160 And that was it. 153 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,600 I was like, aw, you serious? 154 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,960 And I hadn't seen it until I entered into that relationship, 155 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,520 but then that was also evident in other areas of my life 156 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,760 where I just kind of had that know it all attitude 157 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:04,560 or just kind of my way is the best way. 158 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,560 And I didn't really respect those who had gone before me. 159 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,840 And so I entered into ministry 160 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,400 with a little bit of that edge 161 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,120 and quickly it was revealed to me 162 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:23,120 that it's not gonna be good if you keep that 163 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,720 and you gotta let God refine those edges on you 164 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,640 and really just humble you to the point 165 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,640 where you really recognize how finite you are 166 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:44,280 and recognize that God's using all kinds of other people too 167 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:49,280 in addition to you that have different ways of thinking, 168 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,840 different cultures, different backgrounds. 169 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,040 And so be mindful of that, 170 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,560 be open to entering into other people's worlds 171 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:04,200 with humility and learning from them 172 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,560 because you've got a lot to learn. 173 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:09,680 And so I'd say that has been true all through the years 174 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:14,680 and I still wanna keep those who I'm working with. 175 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,520 It's difficult now because sometimes I'm in a role now 176 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,560 where people wanna come to me and they're like, 177 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:29,960 Ed, I wanna know this stuff, like teach me, tell me. 178 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,240 And so I've kind of got that teaching side of me 179 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,960 that is helpful to people I think. 180 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,720 But just being around people, 181 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,360 I think that's what you learn through the years 182 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,960 is just people are most attracted 183 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,080 to people that are humble. 184 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,840 You wanna be around those people 185 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,840 and you just see God kind of move through 186 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,920 that type of leadership, that's what Jesus modeled for us. 187 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,200 And so I'm striving for that still 188 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,040 and always learning and really excited. 189 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,080 I love learning from you, it's fun. 190 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,760 Oh, I love learning from you. 191 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,280 I love learning all the time. 192 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,560 Yeah, it's fun to learn. 193 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:23,080 I love reading and that's the best thing that happened to me 194 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,280 when I first went to college 195 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,080 was I just really started to like reading. 196 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,600 Really loved reading. 197 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,800 Me too. 198 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,360 Yeah, that was the best thing that happened. 199 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,440 I couldn't look back on a course or whatever 200 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,080 but at some point the switch flipped 201 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,200 and I just loved to read. 202 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,440 I hated reading in high school and my younger years. 203 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:44,640 But then like something happened. 204 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,400 I was like, I wanna get exposed. 205 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,960 I wanna know how the world works. 206 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,120 Yeah, it's funny too, you kind of alluded to something 207 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,400 about joking about how we're prideful. 208 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,200 It's like the older that I get, 209 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,160 it's like the more embarrassed I am of how I was 210 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,440 when I was younger. 211 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,480 Oh, yeah. 212 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:11,560 It's embarrassing. 213 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:14,000 You know, I think, yeah, that's. 214 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,520 I was embarrassed in a lot of ways. 215 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,040 Yeah, and I think it's human nature. 216 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,880 We see it, the older you get, 217 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,120 you kind of get maybe stuck in your ways 218 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:29,120 or just kind of less open to new things 219 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,040 and I wanna push against that 220 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:39,040 and so always just, you know, 221 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,000 remaining open to what God is doing 222 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,520 and seeing the new things that he's doing 223 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,560 and the new ways that he's doing it. 224 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:47,040 That's what's cool right now. 225 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:47,880 It is cool. 226 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,440 In fact, kind of like trails into our next little fight 227 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,480 is like so much of being, keeping life interesting 228 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,960 is just being curious and things to ask. 229 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:02,240 There's no way to answer this 230 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,120 except for what's bumping around, 231 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,680 but what are you really curious about these days? 232 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:09,920 What's really making life interesting? 233 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,280 Well, I'm curious about ocean water. 234 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,400 Actually, I think this would be what I'm curious about. 235 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:21,880 You would be part of that, 236 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,280 but I'm curious about the new forms of churches 237 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,840 that God is using in the world today 238 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,440 and these new startup ventures. 239 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,160 One example would be like ocean water. 240 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:38,080 It's a little bit different and, you know, 241 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,000 what is God doing in this time period? 242 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:49,000 Even what will the church look like post COVID, right? 243 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,040 As we go through this pandemic, 244 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:57,040 how is that gonna shape the texture of church, you know, 245 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:00,560 in the future? 246 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:03,360 And so I think I'm really curious about that. 247 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,480 I'm also curious about, like, 248 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,280 I'm not really just excited about, you know, 249 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,680 new churches doing new church things and new styles 250 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:16,920 because it's a kind of a fad or a trending thing 251 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,720 or just because they wanna do something new. 252 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,840 I wanna actually know, 253 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,160 or what I guess I would wonder is, 254 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:34,160 are the new forms actually making a difference in the world? 255 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:38,160 And maybe not, that might be not the best way to put it. 256 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:44,040 Not just making a difference, but making a different world. 257 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,920 And is God raising up a new missionary for a new age 258 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,920 that is actually expressing the potential 259 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,320 that Jesus originally wanted in the church 260 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,960 to not just make a difference in the world, 261 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,160 not just to make it like a little bit better or nicer, 262 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,160 but actually are we actually contributing 263 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,360 to making it a new world, the new heaven, 264 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,720 the new creation with Christ as King? 265 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,720 Christ as King, and that's what I'm really curious about. 266 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,520 So I'm hopeful. 267 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:26,360 Yeah, me too. 268 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,360 I sort of backed into what I'm doing now in a weird way. 269 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,080 I was serving at a Saddleback Church 270 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,080 because a guy that I've known for 30, 271 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,800 that I've served with for 30 years now, 272 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,720 I've served with him since I was 16. 273 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:52,800 Kurt, he's been with Rick for 25 years 274 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:58,600 and a real loyal, wonderful, humble man. 275 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,520 And he invited me to be on staff there 276 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:04,920 and that was a wonderful experience. 277 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,720 And towards the end of my time there, 278 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,640 I became really interested in the ability 279 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,640 to scale the church, the ability to multiply the church. 280 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,480 And I really started looking at cost 281 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,080 and it's not something that people talk about a whole lot, 282 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,680 but I knew from being on staff 283 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,680 that it cost $1.2 million to start a new Saddleback campus. 284 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,800 And actually the real number was $2 million 285 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,480 from the time that they pick a site 286 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,360 and put the staff in and fund it. 287 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:45,480 That's a beautiful thing. 288 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,560 I don't, I believe, no, I believe every way 289 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,160 that somebody is trying to follow Jesus is wonderful 290 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,400 as far as intentions when we get to having God measure. 291 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,720 That's why he's the judge and we're not 292 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,040 because he always looks at people's motives. 293 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,120 That's a hard thing to get at from the outside. 294 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,040 That's why we're not supposed to get at it. 295 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,720 But my thinking was, well, what if you're, 296 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,840 what if you don't have $1.2 million? 297 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,120 Is there a space to, and then a lot of the suburban 298 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,840 and urban models, they sort of scale down the cost. 299 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,880 They'll start, it's kind of an unsaid, 300 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,160 it's kind of not talked about a lot, 301 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,360 but if you looked at different ways of doing things, 302 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:29,520 a lot of it has to do with funding. 303 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,240 So there's like the, in that case, cost a million dollars 304 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,600 and then it can come down from there. 305 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,600 And I became very, very interested in what would it look 306 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,080 like if we could scale for free? 307 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,840 Because one of the things I also learned 308 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,640 in doing a little bit of research was usually 309 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,880 you can scale the second one at half the cost 310 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:53,720 of the first one. 311 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,440 But what if we could figure out a way to have 312 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:02,320 a really great culture and scale for free? 313 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,520 Now I'm incredibly interested in cultural side of things 314 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,160 and I sort of backed into that as well 315 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,000 because I just really like, I'm a small beach town person. 316 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,880 I like, actually like a small town like the one you live in. 317 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,080 That's really what I enjoy. 318 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,360 I like small towns, I like small beach towns, 319 00:17:20,360 --> 00:17:22,320 I like where everybody knows each other. 320 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,920 I like rural areas. 321 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,160 I've also surfed my entire life 322 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,840 and I really like the culture of surfing. 323 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,600 I really like being in the water 324 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,640 and everything that goes along with that. 325 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:41,640 And I really saw the culture that I grew up in 326 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:47,240 as so attractive and so fun to be a part of. 327 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,960 And how come the activities that I enjoy, 328 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,360 like surfing and riding my motorcycle and a bicycle 329 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:59,280 and those types of things are so fun to be a part of 330 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,840 and that never really translated over into how I thought 331 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,840 the culture of the churches that I had been a part of. 332 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,200 So there were a few things going on with me 333 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,640 that I hope I'm kind of getting to your question 334 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,760 a little bit of how I sort of stumbled into this. 335 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,760 Part of it was my experience being taught at Saddleback. 336 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,520 That was a beautiful thing. 337 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,000 And some of the stuff that was going on in my heart, 338 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,280 culturally, some of the way that I'm wired, 339 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,120 also some of the stuff going on with public health. 340 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:35,000 And I've only been doing this a year, 341 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,520 but I'm really interested and curious about 342 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,840 how to scale for free, how to keep. 343 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,560 That sounds new, it's really not. 344 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,440 It's like you love to learn and read 345 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,200 or really if you just go back about 200 years, 346 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,760 this is what we have. 347 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,280 We just had a really relational, 348 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,160 really a really good culture in the church spread that way. 349 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,320 So it's only been in the last 100 or 200 years 350 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,280 that that's changed. 351 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,400 Well, and it's the version of church 352 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,840 that you're talking about that we created. 353 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,840 It's a cultural expression of church relatively recent, 354 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,840 that requires a building, requires a staff structure, 355 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,640 requires, I mean, all that's all really new. 356 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,640 And that's where it breaks down the scalability. 357 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,000 But that's something that we created. 358 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,000 So if we created that, we can actually uncreate it 359 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,600 and create a new structure like you're talking about. 360 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,120 And there's some great examples, 361 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:55,160 even you look back in the Wesleyan revivals, 362 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,840 and not just John Wesley or Francis Asbury 363 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,440 that were kind of like the leaders 364 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,040 of those the revival movements, 365 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,560 but if you actually look at the pioneers that were sent out 366 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,760 and read some of their stories 367 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,720 of the way that these new churches were started, 368 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,720 I mean, you're talking, these were farmers and coal miners. 369 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,720 I mean, it was a different breed of pastor, 370 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,960 and they weren't a professional class, 371 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,000 not well-educated right away. 372 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,120 And they were the ones that were doing 373 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,560 the work of evangelism and discipleship 374 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,400 and starting new churches. 375 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,840 And sometimes at great cost. 376 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,120 Yeah, I agree. 377 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,080 One of the things I've been... 378 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,280 No one was paying them to do it. 379 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,120 What's happened? 380 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,400 Yeah, no one was paying them to do it either. 381 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,040 It was just like, they felt the calling and they went. 382 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,560 I love that. 383 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,320 Yeah, exactly. 384 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,760 And all the ways are great. 385 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,000 One of the things we learned as leaders, 386 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,800 someone doesn't have to be wrong for us to be right. 387 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:11,640 Right. 388 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,640 And there are people doing beautiful work 389 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,360 in a lot of different, beautiful ways, 390 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,360 but there's also a practical reason 391 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:26,920 for why I feel so strongly about this. 392 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,280 And it's because when we talk about 393 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,680 helping people get water from the ocean, 394 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,000 when we talk about using a platform 395 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,360 that turns ocean water into drinking water, 396 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:40,240 when you go to these sites, 397 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,920 there's 108 countries in the world 398 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,240 that have direct water access to the ocean. 399 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,640 And when you go to these sites, 400 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,640 these are places with 100, 200, 300 people. 401 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,240 They're on the, they're in the bottom 20% 402 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,880 of income earnings across the world. 403 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,440 They're mostly poor. 404 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,960 You have to have something that can scale there for free, 405 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,640 or you'll never have anything. 406 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,160 So what was kind of going on in my heart 407 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,160 also matched well the entry points for water. 408 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,160 And so I just, that sort of just started to click 409 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,880 and I'm still learning. 410 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,440 And it's always fun when you talk about 411 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,120 how you got where you are. 412 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,680 And sometimes it's like a zigzag. 413 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,680 Like my friend talks about the beautiful squiggly line, 414 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,120 you know, where it's just got, 415 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:46,640 and a lot of times it feels like that 416 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,800 as a follower, Jesus as a disciple. 417 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,840 Oh, absolutely. 418 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,600 What's something that you have failed at recently 419 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,200 that you'd like to talk about? 420 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,200 Recently, well, yesterday. 421 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,200 Parenting is always a struggle. 422 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:10,200 I feel like, you know, we're always failing in that realm. 423 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,240 I think a big kind of block of my life, 424 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,240 I did go through burnout 425 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,560 and that was while I was playing football 426 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,320 and I was playing football, 427 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:33,320 and that was while I was planting a church 428 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,120 and we did a big building campaign. 429 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:40,920 We did all the things that it would take, right, 430 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,920 to build up that style of church and took a toll on me. 431 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,680 And I didn't have good boundaries in the first place. 432 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,440 I was pretty much a workaholic for other reasons. 433 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,000 I was trying to prove myself. 434 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,080 And that all just kind of led to this workaholic spirit 435 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,160 that ended up burning me out. 436 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:12,160 And, you know, I know it ended up taking my wife 437 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,440 in the middle of an argument, a heated argument. 438 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,520 It took her basically just, 439 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,280 she said the words, I want the old Ed back. 440 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,800 Oh yeah. 441 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,880 And I didn't know where I'd gone. 442 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,840 And it was a realization at that point, 443 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,280 like something is completely different here. 444 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,480 Like I am a different person. 445 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,480 And the path to discovering that was probably, 446 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:53,480 you know, one of my greatest growth places in my life. 447 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,840 Because it was there I found my identity in Christ alone. 448 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,480 I discovered that I didn't need any sort of success 449 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,680 to kind of build up my ego, you know, 450 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,520 in the world's eyes or the church world's eyes. 451 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,520 You know, I didn't need any of that to sustain myself 452 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,760 or even give me that drive, that motivation 453 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,200 to advance the kingdom. 454 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,600 And so I think that was, you know, 455 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,480 where God met me and healed me in the middle of that. 456 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,160 But I'd say like that was in the middle of, 457 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,120 everything was failing. 458 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:43,120 Like, you know, my life really felt like it was collapsing. 459 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:46,560 It was the first time I'd really been depressed, 460 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,640 sleep deprived, anxious, nonstop. 461 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,160 And I couldn't explain why until, you know, 462 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,120 it took some actual medical examination 463 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,640 to kind of diagnose myself 464 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,760 and realize something that happened in my brain 465 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,560 that I couldn't have, I could have controlled it, 466 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,920 but I couldn't at that time, I couldn't get out of it. 467 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,320 I was stuck. 468 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,320 And yet thankful, I tried quitting ministry 469 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,480 and everything, I actually put my resume in 470 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,880 to be a gas station manager at a Shell gas station. 471 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,960 I didn't get the job. 472 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,400 And I mean, that's how bad I just wanted out. 473 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,000 I was just like, I just wanted, I want a different life. 474 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,280 And, you know, I'm thankful that I had a good group 475 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,720 of people around me, supported me, 476 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,720 and encouraged me to, you know, 477 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,000 kind of move through the healing process. 478 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,000 And I did, and God met me, healed me, made me new again. 479 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,800 It was like I was reborn all over again. 480 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,840 And so it was just a beautiful thing. 481 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,520 So I don't know, I do think about failure 482 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,240 as I wrote a book called Fear Not, 483 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,360 and one of the chapters is on failure. 484 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:13,360 And that is probably the best chapter, the most read one, 485 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,920 because everybody experiences it, you know? 486 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,600 Like you don't do everything right 487 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,760 the first time especially. 488 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,760 And yet that, I think that's the very thing that God uses 489 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,880 if we allow him to. 490 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,920 That's the very thing God will use 491 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,360 to shape us into the person 492 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,480 that he really wants us to be. 493 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,400 Because if it didn't happen, 494 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,600 those things wouldn't have been revealed. 495 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,320 We wouldn't have known. 496 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,080 And so it ends up, you know, 497 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,240 sometimes it's that pain of the failure 498 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,000 that leads to our greatest success. 499 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,200 I mean, you think about like, what is it? 500 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,840 Thomas Edison and the light bulb, you know, 501 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,440 it was like 10,000 light bulb experiments 502 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,680 before he got the one that worked. 503 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,560 And you think about, you know, 504 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,880 all the voices in his head that were saying, 505 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,280 I think it's time to give up, you know? 506 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,320 But that's where, you know, you keep pushing through. 507 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,040 And when you do, that's when God shows up. 508 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,160 And then it's like completely world. 509 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,800 So I guess that's my story of failure. 510 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,280 There you go. 511 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,480 Gold, gold, thank you. 512 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,280 So good, deep. 513 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,560 So we'll hang a little bit. 514 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,480 That's great, I love it. 515 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,040 Let's hang a little bit of a riot. 516 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,080 Kind of what's like your understanding 517 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:58,080 of kind of the water situation in the world? 518 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,080 Yeah, you know, it's pretty shocking. 519 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,000 I mean, when you really think about it 520 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,680 and you know, I don't know what number you're using. 521 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,080 I've heard it's like 844 million people 522 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,600 don't have clean drinking water. 523 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,000 I mean, whatever number you're looking at, 524 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,000 it's like, that's a lot of people, you know? 525 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,160 And it's something I take for granted every day, you know? 526 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,600 I mean, I got to be honest with you, 527 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,720 I mean, I got tons of water. 528 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,920 I got endless amounts of water. 529 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,920 And you know, it's like, that's not everybody's world, 530 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,760 you know, so I think part of, 531 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,960 for those who do have water, 532 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,320 it's like, you know, just getting out 533 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,800 into someone else's world, recognizing like, 534 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,960 that's not normal. 535 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,840 And sometimes it takes going to those places 536 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,880 where you actually see it. 537 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,200 And I've been to those places and you're like, 538 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,520 oh, that's the water you use, you know? 539 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,000 And of course, as a visitor to like another country, 540 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,600 they tell you like, don't drink the water, you know? 541 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,840 And stay away. 542 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,600 And it's like, really, you know? 543 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,360 So it's one of those things I think, you know, 544 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,280 it's like the, I mean, you have to have water to survive. 545 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,240 Like you literally will not survive, you know, without it. 546 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,240 And to think that that is a, 547 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,840 you know, for many, many people, 548 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,840 like that is something that they have to fight for 549 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,360 on a daily basis, you know? 550 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,000 And search and go on long treks 551 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,200 to carry it back to their household. 552 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,480 It's like, you know, that's a world 553 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,600 most of us don't understand. 554 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,360 And so, I mean, it kind of breaks your heart, you know? 555 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,200 Yeah, it does. 556 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,920 And it's a justice issue. 557 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,600 You know, the people who have the worst access 558 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,280 and the worst quality spend the most amount of time 559 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,960 and the most amount of the percentage of their income. 560 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,960 And so there's such an opportunity there 561 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,200 to demonstrate very wonderful way. 562 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,520 And it's truly not a handout. 563 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,360 It's a platform for empowerment 564 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,080 when you provide, 565 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,000 when people don't have the staples down, 566 00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:36,960 water, food, housing, 567 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,800 those can take someone's entire life 568 00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:46,900 just trying to take care of their staples. 569 00:31:46,900 --> 00:31:49,200 And so there's such an opportunity there 570 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,680 when you think about water infrastructure, 571 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,720 you think about housing, you think about food. 572 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,720 Very interesting, you know, Jesus alluded to this. 573 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,720 We talked about giving a cup of water to someone. 574 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,240 When you think about the simple things, 575 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,600 those are problems. 576 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,600 There are a lot of problems in the world, 577 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,320 but at the top of the list would be, 578 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,880 I don't have water, I don't have food, 579 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,360 I have nowhere for my family to live. 580 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,560 Yeah. 581 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,920 And sometimes that's part of the problem 582 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,000 that leads to other problems, 583 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:28,040 with like unsanitary situations and diseases. 584 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,920 And so it just kind of, 585 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,600 there's a trickle down effect of problems. 586 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,800 And I think that's where, 587 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,600 I love what you're doing with the church. 588 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,040 And I love the fact that it's the church doing it too, 589 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,240 through the ocean water network. 590 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,800 It's like the people of God, 591 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,960 you know, should be doing this. 592 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,440 And also tie that to like, 593 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,080 yeah, you're gonna meet a physical need 594 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,080 and you're gonna start a new ocean drinking filtration system. 595 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,480 But it's also like, yeah, while you do that, 596 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,640 you're gonna be telling people about 597 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,320 the water of life, you know, 598 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,000 the one who made the water and how he provides. 599 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:26,000 And it's like such a tangible expression of the gospel, 600 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,600 you know, and you're distributing water, 601 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,280 but you're distributing so much more, 602 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,920 the real spiritual water that they need. 603 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,560 And that's why I love what you're doing. 604 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:38,720 Thank you. 605 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,000 You look around the world, 606 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,280 there's hundreds and thousands of places actually 607 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,280 that have a limited documented water crisis problem. 608 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,760 They have no church and there's a lifetime of, 609 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,480 literally no church, 610 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,120 the forgottens, these groups of 100 to 500 people, 611 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,760 terrible water, no church. 612 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,040 That's where we, I pray all the time, you know, 613 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:12,040 Lord send the laborers into the harvest. 614 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:20,240 I spend time right now with four different people, 615 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,080 three of them in their 20s 616 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,080 that are on their way to church planting. 617 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,680 And one thing, one guy's in his early 30s, 618 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,680 one thing that's been made loud and clear is they love Jesus 619 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,000 and people also wanna be a part of solving 620 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000 actual tangible problems, 621 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,440 like water and housing and food. 622 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,880 And it's so interesting. 623 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,520 There's not a week that goes by 624 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,200 that I don't have to explain to someone 625 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:59,400 why we're not an NGO, 626 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,320 why we're not just an NGO 627 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,720 and why we're not just a church. 628 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:06,560 Yeah. 629 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,840 Part of it is I have two hats. 630 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,640 I have a public health background. 631 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,280 I also have a pastoral calling. 632 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,720 That's the only way I can explain it. 633 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:23,720 And I was on a journey for a few years 634 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:28,800 and I would talk to people that I really loved 635 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,920 and really admired and it was almost like people wanted 636 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,160 to make me pick. 637 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,160 Like you have to do church, 638 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:46,280 just do that or just do public health NGO platform. 639 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:56,720 And I never felt, I always felt like I shouldn't, 640 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,960 if this is the way God made me, why should I have to pick? 641 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:04,960 So I'm on the journey of figuring that out, dude. 642 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:07,600 Well, I love it. 643 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,840 I love that. 644 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,840 So if it's not a paradox, sometimes I wonder if, 645 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,280 you know, it's not a God thing. 646 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,840 God is full of paradoxes. 647 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,600 You know, that's probably the right place to be. 648 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,440 Yeah. 649 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,280 This has been delightful. 650 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,160 Thank you for your time. 651 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,800 Is there anything else that, 652 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,320 and I'd like to do this with you again. 653 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,000 This is every time I, once in a while, 654 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,440 it's like you just know the conversation is not finished. 655 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,000 So let's file this away and we'll come back next time 656 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,160 and talk about other stuff, but this is just gonna be great. 657 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,320 Is there anything, any last words from Ed today? 658 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,360 Ed, what do you got? 659 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,600 What do we need to hear from Ed today? 660 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,120 Final words, keep fighting the good fight. 661 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,760 It's worth it. 662 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,360 Don't give up. 663 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,200 Thanks, dude. 664 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,040 Love you, man. 665 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:05,880 Thank you. 666 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,720 Love what you're doing. 667 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:07,800 Okay, have a great day, Ed. 668 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:08,640 Woo! 669 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,460 Yeah, sir. 670 00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:10,300 Okay, thanks so much. 671 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:11,280 We'll see ya. 672 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:30,280 All right, thanks so much, dude.