1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Welcome to the Ocean Water Podcast. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,560 I have my good friend today, Toby Cunningham, 3 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:11,560 2003 Billabong XL paddle wave winner. 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,640 Massive amounts of street cred. 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,640 And then also a movie that Toby stars in called Magnetic 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,800 has just gone up on Netflix 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,080 and I'm really, really happy for you for that. 8 00:00:25,080 --> 00:00:26,280 Congratulations. 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,240 That's a little bit of a professional introduction to Toby. 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,960 He has spent the last five plus years 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,240 living in Nazare, Portugal, 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,480 where he's a part of the small sort of underground, 13 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:40,680 although not so underground big wave surfing community 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,080 that's been developing there for the last decade. 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,840 And then just on a personal note, 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,940 Toby and I lived together for three years in San Diego. 17 00:00:48,940 --> 00:00:50,440 Toby was my roommate. 18 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,020 Totally straight, okay. 19 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,560 Really, really, really good times together. 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,280 Yeah, we did. 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,200 A lot of that we'll get into today, but. 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,600 But. 23 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,320 Blowing up fireworks in the house, that's fun, man. 24 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:07,120 You gotta tell them all about that. 25 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,840 We actually did use to light fireworks in our apartment. 26 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:14,680 Yeah, it's fun. 27 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,760 Didn't we wait, Ramza, didn't you put an M80 28 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,120 by the Spilla up? 29 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,440 Yeah, I put an M80 on him. 30 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:28,360 Like, I put a pan over him just so that it'd blow a hole 31 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,360 in his chest, but then he threw it off 32 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,800 and it went on the floor and blew up, 33 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,880 and that's why we didn't get any deposit back 34 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,320 because it literally just put a huge hole in the floor. 35 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:39,200 So they didn't like us too much. 36 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,800 If us lighting fireworks in our apartment 37 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,080 would have ever come up on my interview 38 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,680 in when I got hired for working with the recording, 39 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,000 probably would have not gotten hired. 40 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,000 I don't know, he might have liked you. 41 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,200 If one of the questions would have been, 42 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,760 is now is it true that you and your roommates 43 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,720 used to wake each other up by putting an M80s on each other? 44 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,640 I would have had to say, yeah, actually we did. 45 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,640 There was a season where we thought that was funny, 46 00:02:08,640 --> 00:02:11,520 but the best one was the time that you threw an M80 47 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,720 inside the popcorn that Ramza's making in the kitchen. 48 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,960 And you threw his popcorn. 49 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:17,960 Oh, so good. 50 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,960 I can't believe we didn't die. 51 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:21,960 Wild. 52 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:22,960 It's fun. 53 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:23,960 It's fun. 54 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,960 It's good to talk to you, bro. 55 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,960 So just tell everybody, so when you're home these days, 56 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,960 where do you like to go to eat and what do you get? 57 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:35,960 I like to cook. 58 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,960 So my wife and I love to cook 59 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,960 and so we'll get super fresh fish from the market. 60 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,960 And that was just caught. 61 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,960 I mean, it's a fishing village here, so it's really easy to get fresh fish. 62 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:48,960 And we just grill it. 63 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,960 We have a barbecue and then we just get organic greens 64 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,960 and pretty much munch on that. 65 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,960 Or we'll go out for a steak or whatever. 66 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,960 The steak's so good here. 67 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,960 And gosh, that's pretty much lunch. 68 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,960 And then I don't eat dinner. 69 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,960 I do intermittent fasting. 70 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,960 So I eat dinner at 2 o'clock. 71 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,960 And then I don't eat until breakfast, which is at 8 a.m. 72 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,960 I pretty much do what Ryan actually had inspired me a long time ago 73 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,960 to put a bunch of superfoods in one little place. 74 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,960 And that's pretty much my breakfast, like 16 different things 75 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:28,960 and just smash it all together. 76 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,960 And it's really good. 77 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,960 Still do it. 78 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,960 Thanks for the smoothie plug, dude. 79 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,960 I've been into that stuff for a while. 80 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:42,960 Yeah, and so what do you, Toby, what are you doing these days 81 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,960 and how did you get into it? 82 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:53,960 So my wife and I, I mean, we run a YouTube channel called Crypto Tips. 83 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,960 So it's talked about cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin, Ethereum, all those other things. 84 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,960 It's pretty much decentralized platforms. 85 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,960 And then we're in the process of writing a book as well on it. 86 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,960 And let's see, then we hold classes as well on it. 87 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,960 So Heidi is like one of the first females to be in the space. 88 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:23,960 And so it's been kind of a good introduction for the world 89 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,960 to see crypto in the eyes of a female. 90 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,960 And then we hold a book on it. 91 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:36,960 And then we hold a live on YouTube. 92 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,960 We go live on YouTube at 5 p.m. Eastern time on Mondays. 93 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,960 So, yeah, that's what we do. 94 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,960 And so we're on for about 35, 40 minutes. 95 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,960 Heidi talks about like crypto space and I talk about the economy and stuff 96 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,960 and what I see what's happening. 97 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,960 So it's a lot of fun. 98 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:00,960 Otherwise, when the surf is giant here, which is usually pretty giant 99 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,960 because they have this huge canyon right off the coast here. 100 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,960 It's like the second largest canyon in the world. 101 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:13,960 And the waves just get funneled in there and become pretty much the biggest surf in the world. 102 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:15,960 Definitely the biggest surf in the world. 103 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:22,960 So I have a team of tow surfers that we like to go out and have fun 104 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,960 and play some crazy stuff out there. 105 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:28,960 So it's fun. 106 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,960 No, crazy is always an interesting word when you start to dig around it. 107 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,960 So I'll give you an example. 108 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,960 So I'll never forget the time, I think it was like 2012. 109 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,960 There was a huge swell that came into San Diego 110 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,960 and the waves were breaking over the end of the OB pier. 111 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,960 And it was like super windy. 112 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:48,960 It was raining. 113 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,960 And you like had your wetsuit on. 114 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,960 I could see the waves from our place. 115 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:54,960 I'm like, hey, dude, what are you doing? 116 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:55,960 You're like, oh, I'm going to go jump off the pier 117 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,960 and I'm going to surf that reef at the end of the pier. 118 00:05:58,960 --> 00:05:59,960 And you can go. 119 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:00,960 And I was like, I don't think so, dude. 120 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,960 It's like 20 foot storm surf and you had a 6.0. 121 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,960 You like stormed out of our place with a 6.0 and you went, you got a few waves. 122 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,960 But the kicker was the time we went down to Todos. 123 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,960 You've always been a really humble guy, which I love. 124 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,960 And you're like, hey, go surf Todos with me. 125 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:21,960 It's going to be double overhead. 126 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:22,960 It'll be super fun. 127 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,960 So I think it was like me and you and Drew Tedes and Marco, 128 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,960 we like chartered a boat, got out of Ensenada. 129 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:30,960 We'd go out. 130 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,960 I'm suiting up on the boat. 131 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,960 I'm like, oh, that's super fun. 132 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,960 The colors looks good. 133 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:37,960 I suit up. 134 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:38,960 It's like double overhead. 135 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,960 And then all of a sudden I see a 35 foot sneaker set. 136 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,960 And I was like, oh, no, I think I'm good. 137 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:46,960 I'm going to go surf. 138 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:47,960 I'm going to go surf. 139 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:48,960 That's it. 140 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:49,960 Yeah. 141 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,960 So I felt like I was going to start. 142 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:52,960 That was a fun trip. 143 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:53,960 It was a fun trip. 144 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:54,960 It was a fun day. 145 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:55,960 Yeah. 146 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,960 Waves that are like 25 faces and smaller. 147 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:13,960 That's me. 148 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,440 So you're one of the really small percentages of people whose brain is... 149 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:26,360 I mean, unless it's barreling, then it's cool. Like Chopo, like so for instance, like I really 150 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:33,240 like to heating this wave called Chopo. So the wave there could be 10 foot and just amazing. 151 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:40,600 But it's a giant barrel. So that it's, you know, it's a real big challenge. So I really like the 152 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:47,880 challenge of the ocean. And if it doesn't present a challenge, then I don't know, kind of lose it. 153 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,360 But I hear you. So for people that are meeting you for the first time, that don't know who you are, 154 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:57,240 that screen saver, that virtual background that you have, that's actually a photo of you 155 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,760 surfing that way. That's not just something, some stock being pulled off of the internet. 156 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:08,280 Yeah, that's actually, it's switched the opposite way. So that's actually a left. 157 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:15,640 So I'm goofy, but... So you're living in Nazareth, also you're a film that you started called 158 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:24,280 Magnetic, just got onto Netflix. Congratulations, dude. Yeah, thanks, man. Yeah, good. It was awesome. 159 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:34,680 And in typical Toby fashion, everything was understated, which I love. And, but it's really 160 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:39,960 good to just see you just enjoying your life with your wife and surfing big waves. I know that's 161 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,760 what you love. And the part that I love is just knowing you really well, it was, you had a line 162 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:50,360 in there, but you know, you used to surf big waves probably a half a dozen times a year when we were 163 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:56,920 living together in San Diego. Now you get to surf it every day. So congrats, bro. Thanks, man. Yeah, 164 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:02,840 you got to come out here. We'll get you into a small one. Welcome to Portugal as soon as we can. 165 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:10,280 And I'd like to stay there with you guys and then we should have... Awesome. Yeah, I look forward to it. 166 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,680 So no fireworks. No fireworks. 167 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:24,520 All right. So what are some things that current Toby might say to 20 year old Toby? 168 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:35,960 The sky's the limit pretty much. I mean, I wasn't a super confident 20 year old. I love big waves, 169 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:44,440 but I just wasn't, I couldn't picture myself, you know, making something of myself like really big 170 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:54,680 or whatever. So like, you know, I had faith in God, but it was pretty immature at that point. So 171 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:04,440 it was really hard to really pursue like giant goals just because I really didn't have the 172 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,440 confidence and I really didn't have that much faith either. So I was like, I'm not going to 173 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:16,360 catchon more with this than you guys now. But I try as much as I can. Like, I thought it was 174 00:10:19,220 --> 00:10:24,440 impossible. And like you came through that designer era, and you realized the waterways 175 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:30,580 really didn't have a lot more weight in them. All right. Yeah. I mean, I lived next to the 176 00:10:30,580 --> 00:10:33,620 life, people are just telling me, hey, you know, stop what you're doing. 177 00:10:33,620 --> 00:10:35,220 You know, you need to get a regular job. 178 00:10:35,220 --> 00:10:37,660 You need to, you know, do this and that and this. 179 00:10:37,660 --> 00:10:39,940 And I just always thought, oh, this is wrong. 180 00:10:39,940 --> 00:10:41,020 You know, I don't want to do that. 181 00:10:41,020 --> 00:10:45,740 So probably just stay away from the crowd and really do your own thing. 182 00:10:45,740 --> 00:10:50,900 Because if you're sticking with the crowd in life, you're really not going to 183 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:52,660 accomplish anything amazing. 184 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:55,300 And I'm saying that from experience. 185 00:10:55,300 --> 00:11:03,940 So it really was hard to pry away, get out of the jaws of the crowd. 186 00:11:05,220 --> 00:11:07,980 But yeah, that's definitely what I would say. 187 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:11,140 Great advice, brother, and you're living it. 188 00:11:11,820 --> 00:11:12,340 Yeah. 189 00:11:12,740 --> 00:11:14,940 What are you curious about right now? 190 00:11:15,020 --> 00:11:17,500 What are you interested in these days? 191 00:11:18,940 --> 00:11:24,940 I'm really interested in trying to, I know that sounds weird, but trying 192 00:11:24,940 --> 00:11:27,140 to bank the unbanked. 193 00:11:27,180 --> 00:11:30,660 So there's like 2.6 billion people around the world that are unbanked. 194 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:36,460 And finances is one of my just, I love it. 195 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:43,460 If there's so many, so much depth to it and trying that's pretty much why we 196 00:11:43,460 --> 00:11:50,540 are in crypto as well, because it is the chance to bank these people. 197 00:11:50,540 --> 00:11:57,580 So for instance, in order for me to, for like a dollot in India to set up a bank 198 00:11:57,580 --> 00:12:02,180 account, they can't because they don't have adequate forms of ID. 199 00:12:02,180 --> 00:12:09,940 They don't have, you know, the necessities to show that they are a worthy person to 200 00:12:09,940 --> 00:12:13,420 go ahead and open up a bank account. 201 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:19,380 Whereas with crypto, I can just send stuff, money from all around the world, 202 00:12:19,380 --> 00:12:22,740 Bitcoin or whatever, to anyone. 203 00:12:22,860 --> 00:12:28,100 It doesn't matter who it is, whether it's legal or illegal, it doesn't matter. 204 00:12:28,140 --> 00:12:29,940 I can still send money to that person. 205 00:12:31,260 --> 00:12:38,580 And I can literally set up a bank account for somebody that has no internet access. 206 00:12:39,820 --> 00:12:41,260 So that is really cool. 207 00:12:41,260 --> 00:12:47,220 And I'm pretty stoked on this new technology and governments hate it, but I 208 00:12:47,260 --> 00:12:47,980 really love it. 209 00:12:47,980 --> 00:12:53,060 So yeah, I'm really, that's pretty much my main curiosity right now. 210 00:12:53,580 --> 00:12:59,100 Other than that, there's so many different things health wise and I can go on about 211 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:01,860 that, but that's probably the main thing is that. 212 00:13:03,780 --> 00:13:05,500 Yeah, I mean, the cat's out of the bag. 213 00:13:05,660 --> 00:13:13,260 As you said, there are 2.6 billion people who can't find, we don't use traditional 214 00:13:13,260 --> 00:13:13,740 banking. 215 00:13:14,260 --> 00:13:15,420 Yeah, they can't. 216 00:13:15,420 --> 00:13:24,700 Most of it's built around control and usury and technology is increasingly 217 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:28,140 disruptive to so many parts of our world. 218 00:13:28,460 --> 00:13:35,820 And one of the areas that it's disrupting on a massive scale right now is banking. 219 00:13:35,820 --> 00:13:36,620 And you're right. 220 00:13:36,620 --> 00:13:39,020 The powers that be, the governments don't like that. 221 00:13:39,020 --> 00:13:44,420 No one likes it when they're leveraging powers taking over the world. 222 00:13:44,420 --> 00:13:46,700 The power is taken away from them. 223 00:13:46,700 --> 00:13:48,580 It doesn't matter what the industry is. 224 00:13:49,540 --> 00:13:52,820 The reactions are always the same. 225 00:13:54,140 --> 00:13:56,180 And so that's true in finance. 226 00:13:56,180 --> 00:13:58,500 It's true in so many, it's true in water. 227 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:02,820 It's true in so many different sectors when you really try to help people. 228 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:05,100 And so that's really exciting, man. 229 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:06,860 Yeah, it's pretty cool. 230 00:14:06,860 --> 00:14:14,540 What's exciting about it is there's a lifetime of work to do in what you're 231 00:14:14,540 --> 00:14:15,140 interested in. 232 00:14:16,180 --> 00:14:18,100 Yeah, for sure. 233 00:14:18,420 --> 00:14:23,980 Cool waking up every day and being so engaged and realizing if I spend every 234 00:14:23,980 --> 00:14:31,140 waking moment learning about this and trying to help people, there would be 10 235 00:14:31,140 --> 00:14:32,220 lifetimes I want to do. 236 00:14:32,860 --> 00:14:34,780 Yeah, that's it, man. 237 00:14:34,780 --> 00:14:36,220 For sure. 238 00:14:36,220 --> 00:14:41,860 So what are some, what's something that you have failed at? 239 00:14:46,660 --> 00:14:49,500 I mean, fail is an interesting word. 240 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:53,780 I don't really look at things as failure, but like learning. 241 00:14:53,900 --> 00:14:59,220 So, I mean, it's kind of like if I fall in a wave, did I really fail? 242 00:14:59,340 --> 00:15:02,700 Not really, because I mean, it's just another ride as well underwater. 243 00:15:02,700 --> 00:15:06,340 And you learn a little bit for each wipeout. 244 00:15:06,340 --> 00:15:07,340 You learn how to hold your breath. 245 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:08,540 You learn how to stay calm. 246 00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:10,740 So there's give and takes. 247 00:15:12,220 --> 00:15:19,700 So fail, I mean, I failed a couple of tests, but I mean, I don't really, I 248 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:22,300 don't look at a lot of things as failing. 249 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:36,140 And, you know, I like this one verse that says, gosh, what is it, Ruhemann's 250 00:15:36,140 --> 00:15:37,260 5, 3 through 5. 251 00:15:41,180 --> 00:15:43,740 Geez, I cannot believe I forgot it. 252 00:15:44,660 --> 00:15:47,260 It's about perseverance and letting it finish its work. 253 00:15:47,260 --> 00:15:54,580 Yeah, yeah, like God pretty much, you know, uses what you think you failed at 254 00:15:54,580 --> 00:15:57,300 or whatever to do good through it. 255 00:15:57,300 --> 00:15:59,660 So, how did I forget? 256 00:15:59,660 --> 00:16:00,500 What's the verse? 257 00:16:01,540 --> 00:16:02,700 I totally forgot it. 258 00:16:03,340 --> 00:16:04,100 God works. 259 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:07,100 God uses all things that work together. 260 00:16:07,140 --> 00:16:07,980 Work for good. 261 00:16:08,020 --> 00:16:08,340 Yes. 262 00:16:08,340 --> 00:16:10,140 For those who love God. 263 00:16:10,140 --> 00:16:15,820 So it's like, yeah, so I can view my life as there's a lot of things that 264 00:16:15,820 --> 00:16:21,100 I, a lot of trials that I went through, but, you know, that kind of made me to 265 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:21,940 the person I am now. 266 00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:24,140 Yeah. 267 00:16:25,980 --> 00:16:26,860 Thanks, Ryan. 268 00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:33,460 What do you know about kind of what's your understanding of the landscape 269 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:37,260 right now, as far as like water in the world? 270 00:16:37,580 --> 00:16:39,780 What would be your thoughts on that? 271 00:16:39,780 --> 00:16:41,100 You're really well read. 272 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:47,020 I mean, I think there's, there's plenty of water for people, but it's just like, 273 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:56,380 companies have monopolized water in a way to where they're taking water from 274 00:16:56,380 --> 00:16:58,380 the land, not letting people have it. 275 00:16:58,420 --> 00:17:02,380 And also, you know, the cleanliness of the water as well. 276 00:17:02,860 --> 00:17:07,500 That's what I, I mean, if you look at like India or whatever, Bangladesh, 277 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:12,380 like where, where you're setting up, I mean, the water, a lot of villages 278 00:17:12,380 --> 00:17:13,540 have like crappy water. 279 00:17:13,540 --> 00:17:17,300 So there are people dying of dysentery and, and all those things. 280 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:22,020 And that's like dysentery, people dying of dysentery is like one of the leading 281 00:17:22,020 --> 00:17:25,140 causes of death in the world for third world. 282 00:17:25,140 --> 00:17:27,300 So, I mean, that's like huge. 283 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:30,820 It just shows that like people need clean water. 284 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:33,580 So, I mean, that's like huge. 285 00:17:33,580 --> 00:17:39,060 It's more huge than any virus. 286 00:17:39,060 --> 00:17:41,060 It's more huge than anything. 287 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:45,220 So yeah, there's not a lot, a lot of clean water out there. 288 00:17:46,220 --> 00:17:47,220 No, there's not. 289 00:17:47,220 --> 00:17:50,220 And you hit the nail on the head and there's plenty of water in the world. 290 00:17:51,380 --> 00:17:58,780 The problem is governments and other agencies can want to control the supply 291 00:17:58,780 --> 00:18:03,460 so that they can charge cash and treat it as a commodity. 292 00:18:03,460 --> 00:18:04,460 Yeah. 293 00:18:04,460 --> 00:18:05,460 But that's one view of water. 294 00:18:05,460 --> 00:18:07,780 One view of water is that it's a commodity. 295 00:18:08,260 --> 00:18:12,260 So if your view of water is a commodity, then of course you would want to 296 00:18:12,260 --> 00:18:14,580 control the distribution and charge people for it. 297 00:18:14,580 --> 00:18:15,580 That's one view. 298 00:18:16,580 --> 00:18:22,900 Then there's our view and ocean water's view is that water is a fundamental 299 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:25,380 human right and it's not a commodity. 300 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:27,100 Yeah. 301 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:35,100 That water should be free, price point of zero, and accessible and clean 302 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:37,100 to the people that need it. 303 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:44,100 So the reason why ocean water will have 10 lifetimes of work is because 304 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:51,100 there are no people currently that I can find on the internet or by referral 305 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:57,100 that are doing small scale off the grid desalinization projects where they 306 00:18:57,100 --> 00:18:59,100 distribute ocean-based water for free. 307 00:19:00,100 --> 00:19:01,100 Zero. 308 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:02,100 Hard to believe. 309 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:03,100 Hard to believe. 310 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:07,100 We're either geniuses or the bar has fallen so low. 311 00:19:11,100 --> 00:19:12,100 That's it. 312 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:14,100 Yeah. 313 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:19,100 I've often said to my wife, how's it possible that we're going to have 314 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:29,100 a 45-year-old grandfather, me, 46 now, is the person having conversations 315 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:30,100 on the internet about this? 316 00:19:30,100 --> 00:19:32,100 How's that even possible? 317 00:19:34,100 --> 00:19:35,100 Yeah. 318 00:19:35,100 --> 00:19:39,100 And I still don't have an answer to that question, but it's certainly 319 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:40,100 interesting. 320 00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:45,100 Part of it is the return on investment. 321 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:53,100 When you invest in a privately funded system, you're basically betting 322 00:19:53,100 --> 00:20:00,100 on people's good nature, their godly nature, that they're going to treat 323 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:06,100 the system with respect and that they're going to distribute that water 324 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:08,100 for free and they're going to meet needs. 325 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:10,100 Yeah. 326 00:20:10,100 --> 00:20:12,100 And I've been in the industry for a long time. 327 00:20:12,100 --> 00:20:15,100 I've been in the industry for a long time. 328 00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:19,100 And it's been a long time that I've been in the industry for people to 329 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:20,100 meet needs. 330 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:21,100 Yeah. 331 00:20:21,100 --> 00:20:25,100 And I do believe in people's good godly nature. 332 00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:26,100 And I believe that. 333 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:27,100 There are. 334 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:29,100 As people start to understand. 335 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:31,100 That the reason why. 336 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:41,100 This problem isn't being solved. 337 00:20:41,100 --> 00:20:43,100 It's being solved by the people who are in the industry. 338 00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:48,100 And as that network grows. 339 00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:53,100 Then the water problem will be, can, can get solved. 340 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:57,100 It's much like, it's much like 60 years ago, if you go back 60 years. 341 00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:59,100 Most of the. 342 00:20:59,100 --> 00:21:01,100 Important prestigious. 343 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:07,100 Information. 344 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:12,100 The people who are in the industry. 345 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:14,100 They're going to be able to access that information. 346 00:21:14,100 --> 00:21:17,100 So the way you had to access that information was by attending. 347 00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:22,100 An island school. 348 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:24,100 And then along with attending the island school, 349 00:21:24,100 --> 00:21:27,100 you got to access the information that you got to get the relationships 350 00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:29,100 that came from being part of that network. 351 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:32,100 That's not, that's no longer how the world is now. 352 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:33,100 The internet's changed all that. 353 00:21:33,100 --> 00:21:36,100 Now anyone in the world can get the information that they need. 354 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:37,100 And that's the way it is. 355 00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:38,100 And so. 356 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:40,100 You can't get an answer to anything. 357 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:46,100 If you have a smartphone at eight seconds. 358 00:21:46,100 --> 00:21:48,100 A smartphone plus good internet access, 359 00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:50,100 you can get the right information in eight seconds, 360 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:52,100 but you still have to know the right questions. 361 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:53,100 And so. 362 00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:56,100 The reason why I'm so committed to these conversations. 363 00:21:56,100 --> 00:22:00,100 I do, I do this once a week. 364 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:04,100 Is because we want to get people talking about why it's important. 365 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:06,100 Why it's important to have a conversation. 366 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:10,100 And then we want to get people talking about how important it is. 367 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:12,100 There are a lot of parallels that, you know, we, we've not, 368 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:13,100 we've not. 369 00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:14,100 Chatting. 370 00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:15,100 In depth like this in a while. 371 00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:17,100 Cause we used to be roommates and now you live on a different. 372 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:18,100 But. 373 00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:20,100 There are a lot of parallels between. 374 00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:24,100 The decentralized aspect of. 375 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:27,100 In the world and. 376 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:28,100 The decentralized aspect of water. 377 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:32,100 Yeah. 378 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:34,100 And the deep-sea, deep sea. 379 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:35,100 The deep sea of the water. 380 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:37,100 What's that? 381 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:41,100 In the, in the redistribution of power. 382 00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:42,100 Redistribution of control and power. 383 00:22:42,100 --> 00:22:46,100 The marginalized. 384 00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:47,100 That's really exciting, man. 385 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,100 Exciting. 386 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:50,100 It's exciting to talk about that. 387 00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:51,100 It's what's also been, 388 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:58,100 what's also interesting too about our friendship is how. 389 00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:00,100 Is how you and I have been, have been, 390 00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:00,940 Right, huh? 391 00:23:01,940 --> 00:23:04,220 Out there playing in the ocean. 392 00:23:04,220 --> 00:23:05,060 Yeah. 393 00:23:05,060 --> 00:23:05,880 Yeah. 394 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,720 I know. 395 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,180 I mean, I think there's a lot of hope as well with this. 396 00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:17,180 I think that the crypto side will eventually wash through 397 00:23:21,780 --> 00:23:26,780 to every aspect of life, which is decentralization. 398 00:23:26,860 --> 00:23:29,860 Because we've seen what centralization actually does. 399 00:23:29,860 --> 00:23:32,420 It destroys the world, kills people. 400 00:23:32,420 --> 00:23:37,420 It puts you in the hands of people that are psychotic 401 00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:42,700 and that don't care about you. 402 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:47,860 I think a lot of people are catching on 403 00:23:47,860 --> 00:23:49,820 to decentralization. 404 00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:52,580 I'm hoping that this really wins out. 405 00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:53,880 So this will be great. 406 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,880 Well, centralized systems always, 407 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,480 they always corrupt and abuse. 408 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,480 Decentralized systems always empower and serve over time. 409 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:10,840 Yeah. 410 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,400 Most people start to understand that. 411 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,280 And the reason why is because the power is just true. 412 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,120 Yeah. 413 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:17,940 Remember the old saying, 414 00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:20,120 you hear it absolute power corrupts absolute. 415 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,440 Absolutely, yeah. 416 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,920 Decentralized power. 417 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,360 Sword acted. 418 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,400 Curs absolutely. 419 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,360 Yeah. 420 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:31,080 There's a different way and there's a better way. 421 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,040 And a lot of what you do, 422 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,000 I'm gonna imagine with your wife is you're sort of, 423 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,700 there's kind of two ways to tackle problems. 424 00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:42,200 One way is you raise a bunch of money. 425 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,720 That's one way money's important. 426 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,800 The other way is you raise minds. 427 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,920 Yeah, that's it. 428 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,720 Raising education. 429 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,720 There you go, raising minds. 430 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,200 Yeah, for sure. 431 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,120 Raises the money. 432 00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,960 You can raise the money and never raise the minds. 433 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,760 Yeah, that's it. 434 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,520 But if you raise minds and you get people. 435 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,200 That's university for you. 436 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,200 That's it. 437 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,960 You're in a traditional setting 438 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,600 or not in a traditional setting, 439 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,760 but it's important that you adopt that framework. 440 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:19,600 Sure. 441 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,680 It's an operating framework. 442 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,160 That's really interesting. 443 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,040 Yeah, that's it. 444 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:24,880 That's interesting. 445 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,480 This is great, man. 446 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,480 I would love to do this again. 447 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,720 Our 20 minutes is absolutely flown by. 448 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,560 That's fun. 449 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,400 You're one of the- 450 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,000 I don't know how much time that was. 451 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:37,840 Well, it was. 452 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,720 Well, you have so much to say. 453 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,560 It's a boost to share. 454 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,240 So much perspective. 455 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,360 You live in a big life. 456 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:48,240 You live in a wonderful life. 457 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,280 And just- 458 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,280 I think we both are. 459 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,160 Well, thanks, dude. 460 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,000 We're trying. 461 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,840 Yeah, man. 462 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,160 Yeah, for sure. 463 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,520 We're really trying, dude. 464 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,120 And let's do this again, dude. 465 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,200 Yeah, okay. 466 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,200 That sounds great. 467 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,800 Just let me know. 468 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,400 Again, congratulations, dude, 469 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,480 on your wife and living in Portugal 470 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,960 and your new film on Netflix 471 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,320 and all the great things you're doing, brother. 472 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,400 And we'll do this again, dude. 473 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,480 Last thing, dude. 474 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,400 Any last words that we need to hear from Toby today? 475 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,920 Last words. 476 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,800 I mean, I've pretty much said it all. 477 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,800 I think, you know, 478 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,000 like I said, stay away from the crowd. 479 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,880 You're not gonna go anywhere with them. 480 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,640 So do your gifted- 481 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,520 I know this sounds really cheesy or whatever, 482 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,920 but you gotta put your mind to what you're gifted at 483 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,880 and you gotta find that. 484 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,360 Otherwise, you're gonna live a pretty boring life. 485 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,880 I was pretty bored in life until I found out my passion. 486 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,880 And now I literally cannot wait to wake up and get up. 487 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,160 It's so fun. 488 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,600 So I think Ryan's found the same as well. 489 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,080 And yeah, he could attest to that. 490 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,400 Thanks, brother. 491 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,800 Yeah, cool, buddy. 492 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,160 Your wife, and thank you for your time today, man. 493 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,200 No worries. 494 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,480 All right, I'll see you in Portugal soon, dude. 495 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,400 See you, buddy. 496 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:47,040 All right, I love you, bro.