1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 All right, welcome to the Ocean Water Podcast. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,140 I'm here today with my buddy, Brad. 3 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:11,880 What's up, baby? 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:12,720 How you doing? 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,360 Okay, a little professional introduction. 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,360 Brad was the recently retired Chief of Police 7 00:00:20,300 --> 00:00:22,520 from the city of Ontario. 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,320 So if you've ever been to Ontario, 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,180 do you have a hockey team? 10 00:00:27,180 --> 00:00:28,020 We do. 11 00:00:28,020 --> 00:00:30,560 We work, that's where the other stuff. 12 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,480 And an airport. 13 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:33,440 Awesome. 14 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:34,920 So that's on a professional level. 15 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,600 Brad was the Chief of Police recently finished that up. 16 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,000 We'll talk a little bit about that. 17 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,660 Then on a personal note, 18 00:00:42,660 --> 00:00:46,660 there's a group of like four of us that surf, 19 00:00:46,660 --> 00:00:49,560 basically when the waves are good 20 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,120 and we're not all on house arrest 21 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,200 because of the pandemic. 22 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,960 And so Brad and I have become friends in last year 23 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,840 and surfed together quite a bit. 24 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:58,680 So super fun. 25 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,720 All right, Brad, so for people that are new, 26 00:01:02,220 --> 00:01:04,860 what we're trying to do today is give a little OG advice 27 00:01:04,860 --> 00:01:08,240 to some of these up and comers from the school of hard knocks. 28 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,560 So these channels are like, they skew younger. 29 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,840 So we wanna drop a little OG advice to this people. 30 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,200 But before we get to that, 31 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,200 where do you live these days? 32 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,320 And then what's your favorite place to eat? 33 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:23,360 Like you go out with Julie or Ryan, 34 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:24,880 and your daughter or whatever, 35 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,720 and you guys get some food. 36 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,080 So what do you like to eat these days? 37 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,800 So yeah, I decided to really turn the page. 38 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,600 And when I retired, pick up the family, 39 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,120 moved down to Carlsbad, California. 40 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,340 This place where we've been trying to get to for 30 years. 41 00:01:40,340 --> 00:01:44,760 Camped down here, vacation down here, hung out down here. 42 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,200 So we finally called it home. 43 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:50,820 I've got no regrets. 44 00:01:50,820 --> 00:01:51,660 I've loved it. 45 00:01:51,660 --> 00:01:52,640 Been here about three years now. 46 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:53,820 Just can't say enough about it. 47 00:01:53,820 --> 00:01:55,060 Really enjoy it down here. 48 00:01:55,060 --> 00:02:00,060 So with respect to what is good in the foodie world 49 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,560 that we've been out experimenting everywhere. 50 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,280 But I gotta say, I got a couple go-tos. 51 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,060 So my safe and sane go-to is Bored and Brewed sandwiches. 52 00:02:08,980 --> 00:02:09,820 Can't go wrong. 53 00:02:09,820 --> 00:02:11,080 They never let me down. 54 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,900 And gotta go for the turcato every time. 55 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,560 Can't go wrong there. 56 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,580 My number two, my number two has gotta be Lola's. 57 00:02:19,580 --> 00:02:24,440 And it's a little mom and pop Mexican restaurant. 58 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:25,760 Nothing bad on the menu. 59 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:26,600 Fantastic. 60 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,240 Let's customize everything. 61 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,280 So, yeah. 62 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,260 Two solid go-tos right there. 63 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,600 I mean, who doesn't like customized Mexican food? 64 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,240 I mean, I love it so much that I actually married Maria. 65 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,120 You went one up, man. 66 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:43,960 I love it. 67 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,220 One up to you, bro. 68 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,440 So good. 69 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,640 So like, what are you up to these days? 70 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:53,860 You're driving and grinding and growing your career. 71 00:02:53,860 --> 00:02:56,840 And like, what's Brad do like now? 72 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,700 Yeah, it's a trip, man. 73 00:02:58,700 --> 00:03:02,480 I felt like, you know, I was drinking from a fire hydrant 74 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,160 for the last 10 years. 75 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,520 And then I just completely downshifted, unplugged from that 76 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,320 and kinda had to rediscover myself a little bit, 77 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,600 figure out, you know, what was it I used to like to do 78 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,600 outside of police work and what did I wanna do 79 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:21,760 moving forward. 80 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,360 So this is about the last two years have been just fantastic 81 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,640 for kinda decompressing, connected with friends, 82 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:31,960 making new friends, hanging out with you. 83 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,520 And I'm like, boy, my oldest best friend in the world, 84 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,000 Bobby Ramsey, we started going together 85 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,840 and now we're out there hanging out and surfing 86 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,640 as 50 year old men, it's crazy. 87 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,900 So that's been super cool. 88 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,400 I got two fantastic kids who were in different parts 89 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,320 of the country going to school. 90 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,080 So I kinda chased them around a little bit, 91 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,160 got to spend some time with them 92 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,840 and see where they're living 93 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,800 and kinda what their daily routines are about. 94 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,880 And then at the same time, kinda looking at new careers, 95 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:01,360 new career paths, new opportunities. 96 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,960 So got a couple of directions I'm going in, 97 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,720 but I'm just kinda, I'm taking my time. 98 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,080 I'm not rushing into anything. 99 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,440 Nice, man, that's awesome. 100 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,960 Yeah, I'm pretty sure. 101 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,480 So you're like, you're settling into this phase of life 102 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,680 right now, you come out on the other side of your career. 103 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,480 So like, what are a couple things that like, 104 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,840 old Brad would have told young Brad? 105 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:24,720 You got any yoga-isms for us? 106 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,040 There's no rules here. 107 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,040 Oh man, man, there's a flood of thoughts 108 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,140 that old Brad would be telling new Brad, 109 00:04:34,140 --> 00:04:39,140 but you know, it's crazy. 110 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:41,400 There's so many things that would have been different 111 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,940 and there's so many things I wouldn't change, you know, 112 00:04:43,940 --> 00:04:47,160 by any means, because I've had a really good journey. 113 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,960 If I was taking it to just kind of like 114 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,160 my professional career and going through law enforcement, 115 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,360 it was kind of unique for me. 116 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:58,280 I started really young. 117 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:00,440 I was on the street when I was 20 years old. 118 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:01,520 Crazy. 119 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,320 And I just kind of came out of the gate hard and fast 120 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,320 and I was just loving being a cop and doing, you know, 121 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,560 kind of all the crazy stuff that comes with that. 122 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,280 All the hot calls and chasing bad guys 123 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:19,240 and then I wanted to get into the next special assignment. 124 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,360 I just wanted to do everything. 125 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,840 I wanted to go to Narcotics, a gang unit, SWAT, 126 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:27,400 and helicopters, I just wanted to chase everything. 127 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,400 So I was just coming out of the gate sprinting 128 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:35,520 and I did that for a long period of time 129 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,600 and it was fantastic. 130 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,800 I got an opportunity to do a lot of stuff, 131 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,560 but now looking back, you know, 132 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,120 if I had to do it all over again, 133 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,560 I would have told Brad, hey buddy, 134 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,160 pump the brakes a little bit, man. 135 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,600 Just, you know, live in the moment a little bit more, 136 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,960 enjoy what you're doing, who you're with, 137 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,280 try and get the most out of that 138 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:02,280 instead of, you know, just kind of looking for the next one. 139 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,400 Like, you know, I was competitive, I was ambitious, 140 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:06,360 so I was doing it, 141 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,960 but I was also looking forward to the next thing. 142 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,280 So I was always prepping for that. 143 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:13,200 So I would have just said, hey buddy, 144 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,280 this is a marathon, it's not a sprint, man. 145 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:18,040 You gotta slow down a little bit, 146 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,440 which I kind of wish I had done. 147 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,120 That career went so fast, I can't believe I did 30 years. 148 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,680 It's, in some ways it was a blur. 149 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:28,520 Yeah. 150 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,000 And I think when you're doing something 151 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,280 that you really enjoy and it's very fulfilling, 152 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:38,320 the time goes by even faster. 153 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,560 So I didn't anticipate that. 154 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,080 And I think that's probably why I'd say, 155 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,240 hey man, pump the brakes a little bit. 156 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,080 You don't need to hit every specials time 157 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,400 and just, you know, enjoy a couple of them 158 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:50,840 and just stay in them longer. 159 00:06:50,840 --> 00:06:53,040 But yeah, that's kind of like one of the first things 160 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:53,880 that comes to mind. 161 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,960 I always trip out whenever I hang out with you and Bobby 162 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,960 because you guys have seen the depths of human nature. 163 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,480 And these talks have been fun 164 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,720 because Bobby and I chatted I think last week 165 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:09,880 and you and I are talking today, 166 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,280 but like there's so much of your guys' work 167 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,000 that you just can't talk about. 168 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,520 There's legal issues, there's all sorts of stuff. 169 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,200 And you deal with all of the really tough stuff, 170 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,000 the tough parts of humanity. 171 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,280 How have you guys both ended up so like fun to be around? 172 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,280 I totally say, no, I'm serious. 173 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,840 It's like always such a head scratcher for me. 174 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,000 Like, I feel like if I would have been exposed 175 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,320 to like a lot of the stuff you guys have had 176 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,920 to deal with, I might have a different perspective. 177 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:39,760 But I don't know, man. 178 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,160 I don't know what you guys are drinking in the water, bro. 179 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,040 Maybe we're just really crazy now 180 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,440 and it took its toll on us. 181 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,480 No, it's pretty interesting because like you said, 182 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,840 you just get exposed to so many things. 183 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,840 And we do joke between us that you can't shock us, 184 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,840 you can't surprise us. 185 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,160 Nope. 186 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,960 And I think we also learned there's issues 187 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,880 and there's crisis. 188 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,360 And the vast majority of the time, 189 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,080 what you're dealing with is not a crisis. 190 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,320 So kind of not that big a deal. 191 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,680 You usually have time to kind of think through it 192 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,800 and make your decision and choice 193 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,480 and whatever you wanna do. 194 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,640 And then the other thing is I think you just start 195 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,280 to appreciate the finer things in life. 196 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,200 And that's relationships, people, your health, 197 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,440 what you're doing in the moment. 198 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,120 So those are all good. 199 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,640 So you weren't surprised at all when I asked you 200 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,360 to rent seven Shetland ponies 201 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,480 for Bobby's birthday party next week? 202 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,200 I was so looking forward to it. 203 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,240 I think we could really build on that too because. 204 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,600 You could really build on that. 205 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,080 That was a good time. 206 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,800 And he's always game. 207 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,960 He is always game. 208 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,720 I'm gonna get a photo of him riding one. 209 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,760 So what are you curious about now? 210 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,280 Like you're interested in law enforcement 211 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,800 for three decades. 212 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:03,640 Yeah. 213 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:04,840 You've transitioned out of that. 214 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,040 You're totally enjoying your life. 215 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,240 But like what interests you now? 216 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,080 Yeah. 217 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:09,920 What are you reading? 218 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,280 What's like a new field? 219 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:12,480 You mentioned some new careers. 220 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,720 Like what are you curious about or interested in right now? 221 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,880 Yeah, you know what's kind of weird is 222 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,680 because I've been pretty fortunate 223 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:25,640 and I had the opportunity to retire 224 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,720 and go do something different. 225 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:29,800 It almost gets a little heavy. 226 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,040 Like now what is it I wanna do? 227 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,440 So you go through this soul searching time 228 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,680 and like I kind of mentioned before, 229 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:39,240 it's like what did I used to like to do? 230 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,520 You kind of, not that I got programmed in law enforcement 231 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,280 but you're kind of in a certain lane 232 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,760 and you stay in that lane for a long period of time. 233 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,760 And now I can venture out and do a bunch of different things. 234 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,000 I've enjoyed helping some other buddies 235 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,880 with their businesses, gotten into a little bit of training, 236 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,000 some consulting, I'm looking at career in real estate. 237 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,440 I'm partnering with my wife on that 238 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,080 because it's something she really enjoys. 239 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,000 And we both enjoy doing that. 240 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,120 Going out and surfing with my boys and hanging out, 241 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,280 even though I'm the fringe guy 242 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,640 because I'm the worst surfer in the group, 243 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:20,480 but I have a mask on. 244 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,040 Now, you probably get the best 245 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,440 because this is the guy with the biggest smile. 246 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:24,800 You're happier than all of us. 247 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,000 I do come away with that. 248 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,560 And it doesn't take much to make me happy out there. 249 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:33,160 So that's awesome. 250 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,880 And then I also, I got the opportunity 251 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,720 to spend some really quality time with my kids 252 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,400 at this stage in their life. 253 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,640 They're in their mid and early twenties. 254 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,680 And typically, kids are out there thriving, 255 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:48,520 your parents don't get to really stay connected with them. 256 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,080 But now I can kind of travel, bug them, chase them around 257 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,360 and do some stuff to keep us connected. 258 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,480 And that's been fantastic. 259 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,320 That's fun, man. 260 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,080 It's just such an interesting thing to talk about 261 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,080 because like Bob and I mentioned last week, 262 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,240 you can turn a job off or you can turn a career off, 263 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,000 but you don't turn your drive off. 264 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,360 Your drive just goes somewhere else. 265 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,960 So it's just fun to find out what people are curious about. 266 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,440 You mentioned a little bit of consulting, 267 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,120 some real estate stuff that's really fun 268 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,400 for you and your wife. 269 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,240 That's cool, man. 270 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,080 That's very cool. 271 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,000 So what is, dude, what's something you've failed at? 272 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:29,640 Right. 273 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,320 It's just what pops in your head. 274 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,160 Bobby said there was like 10 things that popped into his head 275 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,880 and he had to pick something. 276 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,640 30 years in police work? 277 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,480 No, I really didn't make too many mistakes or fail at it. 278 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,560 No, not even one. 279 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:45,320 I think maybe I've made a career 280 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:46,920 of recovering from failures. 281 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:51,920 It's probably more true than I'd like to admit in some ways, 282 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:58,320 but I have, I made so many mistakes. 283 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,600 I think almost to the point where in some ways it helped me 284 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,960 because I wasn't afraid of making a mistake. 285 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,360 I would, as a cop, you have to make these quick decisions 286 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,320 and you do the best job you can based upon the information 287 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,320 and your understanding of whatever you're dealing with 288 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:15,320 in the moment. 289 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,360 And a lot of times you just get it wrong. 290 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,320 So you get it wrong, you reevaluate afterwards, 291 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,480 decide what you would have done differently, 292 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,120 what you could have done better. 293 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,720 And then I just try not to make the same mistake 294 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,160 over and over again. 295 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,520 So I got really comfortable with learning from my mistakes 296 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,360 and I learned tremendously. 297 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:45,360 And even to the point I think when I moved up in rank 298 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,880 at the police department, I would in some ways identify 299 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,640 what type of character some of my officers or folks had 300 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,040 after they made a mistake and how they dealt with it 301 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,040 and could they own it, could they admit to it. 302 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:07,040 Because those were huge insights into what type of a person 303 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,840 and kind of employee they're gonna be moving forward. 304 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,280 That's, it's funny, people think that the people 305 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,680 that rise to the highest levels of leadership 306 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:18,240 are the people that know everything. 307 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,120 Actually the opposite is true. 308 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,360 People that rise to the highest levels of leadership 309 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,760 are simply the people that are the quickest 310 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,400 to take personal responsibility for shortcomings. 311 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:29,240 Absolutely. 312 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,080 People think the total opposite. 313 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:32,920 Yeah. 314 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,280 I'm gonna get, I'm gonna know everything 315 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:35,920 and I'm gonna be really perfect. 316 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,160 It's like actually that's not true. 317 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,480 It is 100% not true. 318 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,880 Yeah, because the people that rise 319 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,200 to the highest levels of leadership 320 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,920 are the ones that take personal responsibility the fastest 321 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,600 and that ends up being the quality 322 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,640 that people respect in us. 323 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,760 I think you're right on the mark. 324 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,200 It's the strangest thing. 325 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,000 You get more comfortable with taking more risks. 326 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:57,840 Yeah. 327 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,560 You're okay, okay, if you get it wrong, 328 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:01,560 you admit it and you move on. 329 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:06,560 And then that can be a real positive attribute for you 330 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,040 moving forward in whatever organization you're in. 331 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,240 Yeah, there's winning and learning. 332 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,000 Lord knows we've done a lot of learning. 333 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:13,840 Oh yeah. 334 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:14,840 Absolutely. 335 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,280 So you and I have, we've been to El Salvador together. 336 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:26,280 We moved here in March, me and you and some friends. 337 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:31,160 And so what is your, kind of your, 338 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,160 just current understanding of like the water situation 339 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,160 in the world? 340 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:39,120 Talk a little bit about that. 341 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,440 Like what's your current understanding of that? 342 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,640 Yeah, well, you know, I'd still admit 343 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,520 that I have a pretty crude understanding 344 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:47,800 to be totally honest with you. 345 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,240 I mean, not completely naive. 346 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,240 I know that water is a huge issue 347 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,360 for people all around the world 348 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:01,120 and how hard it is for them just on a daily basis 349 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:06,120 to live and seek out and have it readily available 350 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,520 for not only themselves, but their children 351 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:13,680 and the family around them. 352 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,000 I can't imagine what it would have been like 353 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,160 trying to raise my kids 354 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,920 and having little to no access to water. 355 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,120 I would have, it's one thing when it's yourself, 356 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,200 but to watch your kids go through that, 357 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,800 it'd be pretty torturous. 358 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:30,800 So I probably had my first interest in it or exposure to it. 359 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,360 I had a high school friend who graduated from college. 360 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,800 He started a water company, was very successful. 361 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,320 It went, it was bought out by a major corporation 362 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,600 and it just kind of caught my interest, 363 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:49,440 what he was doing. 364 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,200 And then it all started with him and his college roommate, 365 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,400 recognizing the need, getting involved, 366 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,600 trying to do something about it. 367 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,760 And they did a fantastic job. 368 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,560 So then, kind of fast forward to meeting you guys 369 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,520 and hanging out and hearing what you were involved in. 370 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,200 And then I got an opportunity to go to one of your fundraisers 371 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,800 for one of your trips way back 372 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,880 when you were going back down and investing. 373 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,960 Yeah, you're bringing the equipment down to El Salvador 374 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,080 and the desalination equipment and purification equipment. 375 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,840 Thought it was really interesting, Dean. 376 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,280 And then you guys finally invited me. 377 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,560 If I hung out with you long enough, 378 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,680 you finally broke down and invited me 379 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,520 and I got to go down and see it firsthand. 380 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,640 And it was so enlightening. 381 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,280 It's one thing to conceptualize it 382 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,240 and that's another thing to be down there 383 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:42,600 and around the people. 384 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:47,320 And you know when it really kind of struck a chord with me 385 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,040 is when we moved out of the beach. 386 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,760 And I think it was at some Papa's restaurant 387 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,360 or his family's restaurant. 388 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:55,560 And we've been out in the water. 389 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,320 We came in, we all needed to clean up. 390 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,440 And came in, boom, no water. 391 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,920 No water available for the restroom and washing up. 392 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,360 And I think you had just kind of turned to me and said, 393 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:06,760 yeah, water shut off for a period of time. 394 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,600 It'll come back on maybe tonight or tomorrow. 395 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,440 And I thought to myself, wow, that's, you know. 396 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,600 And that's just for cleaning up. 397 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:15,840 I can't imagine, you know, 398 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,840 you really needed it for drinking and living. 399 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,640 But it was just, it's kind of surreal 400 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,000 when you're down there and see it firsthand. 401 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,880 And then how much the folks in the community 402 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,600 really appreciated what you were doing. 403 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:28,960 So really impactful. 404 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,160 Yeah, it's been an ongoing journey. 405 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,040 I mean, we just try to, 406 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,960 one of the reasons why I'm doing this 407 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,600 and talking with people like you 408 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,240 and having a conversation every day 409 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,520 is because we have decided we wanna step into that space 410 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,840 and have a voice for what we call indigenous water rights. 411 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,760 And what indigenous water rights are 412 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:56,440 are water rights for locals who have been marginalized 413 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,120 or who don't have the infrastructure for water. 414 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,320 So for example, in Palmercito, 415 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,040 Palmercito we've had over a hundred people go with us 416 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,480 on 13 different trips in the last five years. 417 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:14,120 And through that, through that experience 418 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:18,320 and through those relationships, we've learned so much. 419 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,720 We've learned, and now, 420 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,160 and it's all been through relationships, 421 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,840 much in the same way that you and I became friends 422 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,840 through surfing, you know, by hanging out with Bobby. 423 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,840 And so, but one of the reasons 424 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,400 we wanna have these conversations is because, 425 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,800 you know, change happens as you, you know, 426 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,400 as you sort of raise minds. 427 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,120 You have to kind of, and how do you raise a mind? 428 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:46,640 Well, you have to elevate thinking. 429 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,480 How do you elevate thinking? 430 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,680 We have to see, just do it conversationally. 431 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,240 And so, you know, one conversation at a time, 432 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,320 one friendship at a time, one relationship at a time, 433 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,040 we're starting to step into this space now 434 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,720 and really getting the word out. 435 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,720 Yeah, there actually are groups of people all over the world 436 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,640 that like Palmercito, there's a lot, 437 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,040 there's thousands of Palmercitos out there, 438 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,600 these little areas of the world that have 20 families, 439 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,200 30 families, 40 families. 440 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,400 And so, what's exciting now about all of the experience 441 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,600 that we've had is now we're gonna take those lessons 442 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,240 that we've learned in the last five years. 443 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,600 A lot of school hard knocks there as well. 444 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,560 And now we want to start to scale 445 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,920 to some other areas of the world 446 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,840 where we can take what we've learned 447 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,120 on a public health level where we can actually 448 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:38,440 install this system that you've seen the things that trip 449 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,280 when you open it up. 450 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,920 You came to the fundraiser, you're like, 451 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,280 this looks like a bomb. 452 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:47,280 This looks like a bomb, it's like in two pieces of luggage 453 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:48,760 that you check in on a commercial flight 454 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,720 and yet you can take that and install it 455 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,520 and it really turns ocean water into drinking water. 456 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:55,360 It's so cool. 457 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:58,280 It really took me a lot to process that. 458 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,920 It was fantastic when you see that there's equipment 459 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,560 out there that can do that. 460 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:03,480 It's a trip. 461 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:07,920 And one of the things that I know I'm looking forward to 462 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,880 is not just the fact that we've been able 463 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:11,960 to go to El Salvador to get it, 464 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,760 but now we're planning on going to Indonesia. 465 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,520 Bobby's actually gonna lead that trip 466 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,440 and now we have the chance to sort of scale 467 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,040 some of the lessons that we've been able to learn. 468 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,640 But yeah, thank you for just being willing 469 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,560 to have this conversation. 470 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,080 These conversations are super fun 471 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,640 because there's a lot of people that get so much 472 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,360 out of online content. 473 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:45,360 And you have an entire career of experience 474 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,200 to offer the people that are gonna listen. 475 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,680 So when people see this, they're gonna be like, 476 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,600 wow, that guy was a chief. 477 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:52,440 That's awesome. 478 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,600 So thanks for allowing us to use that. 479 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,240 But then also to kind of make a little bit 480 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,120 of a right-hand pivot so that people can start to learn, 481 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:01,560 wow, there's 8 billion people in the world 482 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:06,200 and like a billion of them are like where we went. 483 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,400 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Ryan. 484 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,840 First of all, it's an absolute pleasure. 485 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:16,120 I'm honored that you would even wanna hear anything 486 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:17,440 that I have to say about it. 487 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,960 Yeah, you're awesome. 488 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,000 But yeah, what you're doing is fantastic. 489 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:23,600 And I think it's really neat for folks like me 490 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,840 who may not have a better understanding 491 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,680 of what you're out there trying to accomplish 492 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,880 and where the need is. 493 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,880 And it's really interesting in how you can fulfill 494 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,800 and provide something to so many people, 495 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,680 even on a smaller scale, how impactful it was 496 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,400 seeing that one machine on a community 497 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,920 of 30 or 40 people, it was really neat. 498 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:50,760 It's awesome, man. 499 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,120 Well, dude, thank you so much for your time today, brother. 500 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,840 And I think this thing is getting lifted 501 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,360 and we should be in the water and in the ocean side, 502 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,080 hopefully like very soon. 503 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,040 I need it, buddy. 504 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:01,960 I need it back. 505 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,440 All right, thanks, man. 506 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,000 Hey, brother, great seeing you, man. 507 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,440 Great seeing you, have a great day, dude. 508 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,280 Okay, man, you too. 509 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:37,280 All right, you.