1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,920 All right, welcome everybody. 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,720 I'm with my friend Dave Harrison today. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,120 Welcome to the Ocean Water Podcast. 4 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:12,600 This is the voice for indigenous water rights. 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,400 We'll talk a little bit more about that later today. 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,240 I have a very good friend on. 7 00:00:17,240 --> 00:00:22,240 Dave worked at the same international water project company 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,400 for four decades. 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,280 That was 40 years at the same company. 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,160 And during his time there, 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,360 he did projects in six different countries 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,320 and personally managed some of those projects 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,840 were over a billion dollars. 14 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,440 And that's what the B like the word bicycle. 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:41,280 So we've got a lot, 16 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,080 we're really honored to have Dave on today. 17 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,200 Dave, thank you so much for being with us. 18 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,360 Great to be here, Ryan. 19 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,240 Yeah, and then on a personal note, 20 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,160 Dave is somebody who I look up to, 21 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:51,640 someone that I've learned from. 22 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,600 So I'm really glad to have him here today. 23 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,880 He's also someone that I ride bikes with frequently 24 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,720 throughout the month. 25 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:58,600 Usually once or twice, 26 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,200 we get on a really good ride together on a Saturday. 27 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,040 So it's an honor to have you, Dave. 28 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,760 Dave, you live here in San Clemente. 29 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,720 And so people get to know you a little bit. 30 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,640 What's one of your favorite places to go get food 31 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:12,640 and what do you get? 32 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,880 I'll give you two because they're on different ends 33 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:17,920 of the spectrum. 34 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,960 One is Avila's El Ranchito for Mexican food. 35 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:24,520 I'd go there eight days a week 36 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,840 for breakfast, lunch and dinner if I could. 37 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,800 I'll eat anything on their menu pretty much. 38 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,840 But if I just want my comfort level, 39 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,800 I get carnitas tacos. 40 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,240 Their carnitas are really great. 41 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,960 And then on the upper end of the spectrum, I love Vine. 42 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:46,200 Vine is a higher end kind of fine dining place, 43 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,440 but it's really accessible. 44 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,160 It's not very expensive. 45 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,280 People are great. 46 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,600 The food is amazing. 47 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,440 Chicken schnitzel, if you're really looking for something, 48 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,040 is off the charts. 49 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,320 Well, I've been to Avila's and Maria and I, 50 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,160 and Maria and I have been there 51 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,480 and we'll have to check out Vine. 52 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,240 It sounds amazing. 53 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,280 Yeah, awesome. 54 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,840 So what are you doing these days currently 55 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,280 and kind of how did you get where you are right now? 56 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,480 Okay, fair question. 57 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,560 It's crazy times in everybody's industry. 58 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,560 I actually was meeting with the head of the business unit 59 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,120 at this company I worked for. 60 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,560 I worked for the same company, as you said, for 40 years, 61 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,600 but we got acquired by a big company three years ago. 62 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,880 So this big company, the guy is meeting with me. 63 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,760 I tell him what I'm gonna do in 2020, says, 64 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,080 that's great, I'm gonna have somebody else do it. 65 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,800 I have a spot for you. 66 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,000 So just like that, I was out of a job. 67 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,440 36 hours later, I'd signed an offer letter 68 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,160 with a small company called Kennedy Jenks Consultants, 69 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,280 great little company, about 400 people across the US. 70 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,160 Who are really connected to their clients. 71 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,160 That's where I wanted to be, 72 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,480 is I wanted to be connected to clients, 73 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,040 working with clients and helping them solve problems. 74 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,600 And so I'm able to do that now. 75 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,360 And the interesting thing I'm working on 76 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,800 is reclaimed water projects, 77 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,000 projects that take treated wastewater and reclaim it 78 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,000 so that it can be used as drinking water. 79 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,480 And that's kind of the wave of the future. 80 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,800 Here in the first world where we have lots of water 81 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,200 and lots of wastewater, so we need a little more water 82 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,160 and it's a great way to get it. 83 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,440 So that's what I'm doing now and it's been fantastic. 84 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,440 So a little context for our listeners, 85 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,680 a smaller company that has three or 400 people, 86 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,560 that is smaller when you came from a company 87 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,600 that had, I think, 22,000. 88 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,440 That's correct, 22,000, yeah. 89 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,280 I got that right. 90 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,080 I pay attention when we ride bikes. 91 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,160 You do, man, that's good. 92 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,000 And so a smaller outlet and I know 93 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,040 you're really happy there now. 94 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:54,880 Thanks. 95 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,360 In fact, I'm looking forward to getting down 96 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,160 to San Diego with you soon with my friend, Mark Bell, 97 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,160 and meet some of the awesome people that you're working with. 98 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,280 Yeah, yeah. 99 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,520 So Dave, I know one of the things that really excites you now 100 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,440 and one of the things that drives you is passing along 101 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,360 a lot of the lessons that you've learned 102 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,400 from the school of hard knocks along the way 103 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,680 to people that are just starting out their career. 104 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,240 In fact, so much so that you've written a book. 105 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,160 And can you tell everyone the title of your book 106 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,480 and when it's gonna come out? 107 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,600 Sure, it's called The Right Start, 108 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,680 Building Your Brand to Survive and Thrive 109 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,280 in Corporate America. 110 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:34,000 It's coming out in three to four weeks. 111 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,960 It's just going through the final publishing stages 112 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,960 and I'm a newbie in this, so I'm thinking 113 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,000 it's three to four weeks. 114 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,400 I'm hoping that's all it takes. 115 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,560 Could be sooner, could be a little longer, 116 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,280 but it'll be out there. 117 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:50,080 And it really is, it's lessons that we've learned 118 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:50,960 through the years. 119 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,560 I wrote it with a friend of mine 120 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,880 and got knocked around a little bit. 121 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,360 We're experiential learners. 122 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,400 We're the kids who when mom and dad said, 123 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,040 hey, don't touch that, it's hot. 124 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,400 We said, I wonder what hot is and we touched it. 125 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,160 So we did that in the corporate world too, 126 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,280 got beat up a little bit, but learned our lessons 127 00:05:08,280 --> 00:05:10,200 and have pretty successful careers. 128 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,560 We just wanna pass that knowledge on to others. 129 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,920 Well, that's exciting and I wanna let everyone know 130 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,440 that Dave's book will be a link on our Ocean Water website 131 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,360 and Dave has very graciously ahead of time 132 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,960 gonna donate the proceeds and some of the proceeds 133 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,080 of the sales of the book to Ocean Water. 134 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:32,880 And Dave, we're really, really honored by that. 135 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,680 Not only are you gonna give back a lot of the stuff 136 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:35,720 that you've learned along the way, 137 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,720 but we'll be able to leverage anything 138 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,720 that comes in from that and multiply it in the spaces 139 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,680 where we are working internationally. 140 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,720 So for people who are starting out, what do you wish, 141 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,520 what are some of the things you wish you had known 142 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,480 when you started your career? 143 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,040 Like if Dave can talk to younger Dave, 144 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,760 what would he be saying these days? 145 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Oh man, well, there's lots of things. 146 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,000 I'll give you a couple things. 147 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,240 One is to do the difficult things, to take the challenges. 148 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,360 There's a great quote by a guy named Lou Pennella 149 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,440 who was a baseball manager for years. 150 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,480 The toughest competitors know how to be comfortable 151 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,400 being uncomfortable. 152 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,720 So I would say get uncomfortable fast. 153 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,880 It's the only way you're gonna get better. 154 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,480 And it's hard to do because nobody likes that. 155 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,920 Nobody likes to be uncomfortable. 156 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,960 That might mean learning to be a public speaker. 157 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,560 That might mean learning to write better. 158 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,920 I know early in my career, I was not a good writer 159 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,400 and I got hammered for it. 160 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,120 And I decided I don't wanna be hammered like this. 161 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,440 That was awful. 162 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:54,880 I'm gonna learn to write better. 163 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,600 And I found ways to learn to write better 164 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,040 because it was important for my personal career. 165 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,240 So that's one thing. 166 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,480 And I think the second thing I would say 167 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,000 is find a way to work at peace with others. 168 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,920 The working world can be such a crazy place. 169 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,760 It can be super competitive. 170 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,800 It can be kind of weird. 171 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,800 I mean, the guy in the cubicle next to you 172 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,160 can be spitting sunflower seeds over the cubicle wall. 173 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,520 That's uncomfortable. 174 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,360 The receptionist might be a medium on the side 175 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,960 who wants to do your palm reading. 176 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,240 I mean, there's weird stuff that goes on in the world 177 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,720 because there is no normal. 178 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,400 There is a Ward Cleaver, June Cleaver. 179 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:43,800 They don't work. 180 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,400 They're TV families. 181 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,880 So find a way to be peaceful with all of this. 182 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,360 Kind of come to grips with all of it 183 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,880 because it exists and it's not bad. 184 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,360 It's just, it's interesting. 185 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,840 If you, it can either be weird and off-putting 186 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,920 or it's like, all right, 187 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,800 the dude is into multi-level marketing. 188 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,680 I'm gonna ask him how many people he sucked in this week 189 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:07,880 because I'm not gonna be one of them, 190 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,360 but obviously there are others or he wouldn't be doing it. 191 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,440 So, it's just a way to have conversations with people 192 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:14,640 and learn about others. 193 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,640 Be at peace with the world around you. 194 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:20,880 That's what I would say. 195 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,120 Because I know early in my career 196 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,960 that stuff irritated the living daylights out of me. 197 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,320 And it was a lot of stomach acid burnt 198 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,520 for no reason at all. 199 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,160 That's awesome. 200 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,360 So what are you interested in now? 201 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,120 What are you curious about? 202 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:42,120 What's something that interests you currently? 203 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,480 I love 20th century history. 204 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,640 I like a lot of different aspects of history. 205 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,360 I like 20th century history. 206 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,600 So I read lots about weird stuff. 207 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,640 Like I read a book about Calvin Coolidge, 208 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,400 who I don't recommend that book. 209 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,520 He was a strange dude and not really all that interesting. 210 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:08,240 And definitely not somebody who would go have a beer with. 211 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,400 But I like learning about history. 212 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,240 So I'll read, I've read a lot about water history 213 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,320 because that's interesting to me. 214 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:20,920 It's what I do for a living. 215 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,080 So I wanna know, for example, 216 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,480 when did we learn that there was a link 217 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,120 between water and bacteria in virology and diseases? 218 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,480 And it was discovered by a guy named John Snow in London 219 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,360 at something like the Broad Street pump station 220 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,520 in like the 1850s or 1840s. 221 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,480 Oh, that's what I'm interested in. 222 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:46,800 I'd spend time doing that. 223 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,520 Yeah, in fact, I remember one of the rides that we did, 224 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,480 we actually talked about the early 20th century history 225 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,320 of Los Angeles and how it actually is 226 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,640 and how it's actually directly tied to water. 227 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:01,760 Absolutely, yeah. 228 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,800 Maybe people don't know this, but William Mulholland, 229 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,480 if you go back a hundred years, 230 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:11,480 if it wasn't for his 227 mile aqua project 231 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:15,080 from where they hoodwinked the people 232 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,520 at the bottom of the Sierra Nevadas to build, 233 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,720 at that time, the largest public works project 234 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,240 in the nation's history, 235 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,120 you and I literally wouldn't be standing 236 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,480 or sitting here in San Clemente 237 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,160 because San Clemente has been the downward growth 238 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,360 of the population from LA if you go back and you track it. 239 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,840 And I'm fascinated by history as well. 240 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,800 In fact, I remember we had both learned a lot 241 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,240 about William Mulholland. 242 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,560 You can't be in the water space too much 243 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:45,520 and not know his name. 244 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,480 If you're curious, yeah. 245 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,640 So I also just finished a book by Winston Churchill. 246 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:53,760 Nice. 247 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,640 And that was a really good read, his leadership 248 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,280 from like 1941 to 45 when they were in the war. 249 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:03,560 That was super interesting. 250 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,440 What is something, what are one or two or three things 251 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,280 that you feel like you've failed at? 252 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,320 I ask people that question and they're like, 253 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:15,560 you want me to pick one? 254 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:18,520 But it's a good question to ask 255 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,320 because people that are driven 256 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,280 and people that are successful, 257 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,200 people think that it's just been this endless string 258 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,520 of victories and nothing could be further from the truth. 259 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,960 So what are a couple things that just jump out to you? 260 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,480 Gosh, oh, yeah, it's more than a handful. 261 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,720 It's a giant bucket full. 262 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,280 Might even have to bring in a pickup truck to move it. 263 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,600 I'll give you a couple. 264 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:48,600 I really thought that I was going to be the CEO someday. 265 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,720 I had people whispering in my ear, 266 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,440 you could be the CEO of this company that I loved 267 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,720 and I'd worked for and I was a part owner of. 268 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:02,960 So we moved our family to Colorado 269 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,160 from Southern California in 2003. 270 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,720 I had a kid and a son in middle school, 271 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,040 a son in high school and two in college 272 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,280 and the two in college stayed behind. 273 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,440 And I never got there. 274 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,680 In a way, that's a failure. 275 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:21,360 I mean, I uprooted my family, we all moved. 276 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,080 It was very hard for my wife. 277 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,360 And I look back on that and think, 278 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,880 well, what did I do wrong? 279 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,560 And what did I, but at the end of the day, 280 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:36,160 I look back on that now 17 years in the past and think, 281 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,200 I'm really happy I didn't make that. 282 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,400 I'm really happy I didn't get to that position. 283 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,880 I don't know if I would have been successful there. 284 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,080 I don't know if I would have been happy there. 285 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,480 So I think that's, I mean, that's a failure 286 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,520 that I look back on and say, yeah, man, 287 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,680 I'm glad I failed at that, to be honest. 288 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:58,600 I think I've failed in not being able 289 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,400 to have difficult conversations with people 290 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,200 early in my career, especially when I was 291 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:08,200 in a leadership position, managing projects, managing people. 292 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:09,920 I was fine managing projects. 293 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,800 I could tell the structural engineer 294 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,320 that he couldn't build a certain kind of footing 295 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,160 and he had to build piles and rather than a spread footing. 296 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,840 I was totally fine with that. 297 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,520 But I was very uncomfortable talking to people 298 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,280 about their work performance 299 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,600 and some of the things that they did 300 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,080 that weren't the right things. 301 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,800 And I needed to get way better at that, 302 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,800 but those early failures actually cost me a little bit 303 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,160 in my career in terms of positions 304 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,600 where somebody would say, look, you just didn't cut it here. 305 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,400 I'm gonna move you to this other job. 306 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:51,320 And I knew the reason why, 307 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,800 because I didn't get out in front of it with people. 308 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Had to learn how to do that. 309 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,040 Had to get comfortable being uncomfortable, 310 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,800 because that is uncomfortable. 311 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,240 Yeah, tell everybody about some of the projects 312 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,240 that you managed overseas and what their function was. 313 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,320 Sure, one thing that I think was a success, 314 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,680 we had a project, so in England, 315 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,280 there are 14 water companies. 316 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,480 Margaret Thatcher basically privatized the water 317 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:31,440 and wastewater industry. 318 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,000 Here in the US, they're mostly publicly owned agencies. 319 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,720 So the Metropolitan Water District is a public agency 320 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,240 that's owned for the benefit of all, 321 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,320 and is a nonprofit. 322 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,480 In England, they're for profit. 323 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,680 And so we were working in Manchester, 324 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,440 it was called Northwest Water, 325 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,320 now it's called United Utilities, 326 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,680 helping them build through what they called 327 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,360 their five-year asset management program. 328 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,200 They get the government to give them approval 329 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,960 on a plan for five years, 330 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,400 and then they build all this stuff. 331 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,640 I would like to think I still am, 332 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,360 but at that time, I certainly was a sludge expert. 333 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,320 I knew about biosolids, or they're called residuals, 334 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,040 but sludge is a term of art as well. 335 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,760 And we were coming up with a plan 336 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,720 to rationalize their sludge processing facilities 337 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:33,120 across this large area with 7 million population. 338 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,880 And so I worked on it with a couple of guys, 339 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,600 came to, was working there for several weeks 340 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,960 outside of Manchester, made a presentation, 341 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,920 big presentation to all the big dogs in this organization. 342 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:53,440 And they were British. 343 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,080 I don't know how to say it. 344 00:15:55,080 --> 00:16:00,080 Everything we said was, well, I don't know, maybe. 345 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,560 Yeah, I don't, well, we'll think about it. 346 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,440 And I hired a facilitator for the meeting, 347 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:08,840 and he said, oh, you were brilliant. 348 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,960 I said, what are you talking about, man? 349 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:11,960 They didn't like anything. 350 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,240 I didn't hear one amen to anything. 351 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:16,240 He said, don't worry about it. 352 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,360 They just don't wanna give you credit. 353 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,040 When you come back in four months, 354 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,760 they'll have sorted through everything you said, 355 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,600 and they'll do everything you said. 356 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:24,440 And he was pretty much right. 357 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,640 I mean, they did about 90% of what we said, 358 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,520 building these big facilities. 359 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,400 So that was a lot of fun. 360 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,000 It was a lesson in kind of sociology. 361 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,560 We didn't take sociology classes as engineers. 362 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:39,760 So that was interesting. 363 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,800 On the lower end side, 364 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:48,120 I had an opportunity to go with an NGO to Uganda, 365 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:54,000 and work with a team to build drainage systems 366 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:59,000 at this orphanage and school that this NGO was supporting. 367 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,480 And it was a team of, I don't know, 368 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,560 there were probably 15 people, 369 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,320 and 13 of them were like strong type As. 370 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,640 Like they were large and in charge, 371 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,000 every one of those 13, me included. 372 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,280 I was in that. 373 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:19,320 And it was one other engineer, 374 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,120 and there were two other engineers, sorry, 375 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:22,480 in that group, and the rest were attorneys, 376 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,800 school teachers, various occupations. 377 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,400 And so we got there, 378 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,360 and we kind of looked at what was going on. 379 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:33,280 And we laid out a plan, 380 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,600 and one of the guys said, 381 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,160 "'Nah, that's not how it works. 382 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,600 "'That's not how drainage works. 383 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,440 "'I think we should do this.'" 384 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:41,360 And I looked at him and said, 385 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:45,040 "'Where did you get your engineering degree?' 386 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,880 "'There's an Esquire at the end of your name, 387 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,440 "'not professional engineer, not PE.'" 388 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,360 He says, "'No, this is how it's gonna work. 389 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:54,960 "'So, okay, you work on that side, 390 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,680 "'I'll work on this other side.'" 391 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,400 Anyway, they built this drainage channel. 392 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,960 They just dug out this drainage channel on this road, 393 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,760 and it rained, a biblical rainstorm in Africa. 394 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,040 They're amazing, actually. 395 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,800 I mean, I put my coat on and went out in the rain. 396 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,920 I've never been in rain like this, ever. 397 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,720 May never again. 398 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,520 And it washed out what they did. 399 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:19,360 It felt bad. 400 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:22,200 But I said, you gotta listen to me. 401 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,960 Actually, kinda know what I'm doing. 402 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,520 This is what I do for a living. 403 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,800 But it was a lot of fun. 404 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,200 It was great to get back. 405 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,520 What we ended up doing was going a little bit beyond 406 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:36,480 just drainage. 407 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,320 We put in rain barrels for them. 408 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:39,600 They have tons of water. 409 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,160 It's just not clean. 410 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,040 Even the groundwater has got contamination. 411 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,280 And so we ended up being able to put in, 412 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:47,760 capture some water off the roofs, 413 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,120 put in some rain barrels. 414 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:51,920 Say, clean water for cooking and for cleaning, 415 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,080 to wash their clothes, wash their dishes. 416 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,240 So those are some of the things I've done internationally. 417 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,000 It's wonderful. 418 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,480 So what would you describe as kind of the current 419 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,480 water situation in the world? 420 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,480 You are as much of a specialist in this field as anybody 421 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,720 for four decades, exclusively working on 422 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,280 water engineering projects, 423 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,880 both domestically and internationally. 424 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,400 So if you could describe to people, 425 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,880 kind of what do you see as the current 426 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,840 water situation in the world? 427 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,440 Well, the first world has water. 428 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,480 We have systems. 429 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,120 We have regulations. 430 00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:38,360 What comes out of your tap is amazing. 431 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,720 I'm amazed during this COVID crisis 432 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,520 that people are going to the grocery stores, 433 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,560 in Costco and big box stores, 434 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,440 and buying pallets of water. 435 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,000 That's fine. 436 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,040 But nobody's gonna serve you water 437 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,720 that's not literally perfect. 438 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,280 And that's what comes out of the tap. 439 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,480 Their service level is 100% basically. 440 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,440 I can't think of a time in recent memory, 441 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,400 or even I can't think of a time where we had to boil water 442 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,160 to have clean water. 443 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,880 So first world is good. 444 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:10,720 Yeah, every once in a while, 445 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,800 there's a boil water order issue somewhere, 446 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,000 but for the most part, it's good. 447 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,960 The issue in the first world is that people tend to live 448 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,200 on the coasts or in the more temperate zones 449 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,760 where there is less water. 450 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,360 And so we have to be more careful about how we use it. 451 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:28,240 And we have to be smart about how we use it. 452 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,720 So we do reclamation and things like that. 453 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,720 But if you look in California, 454 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,760 essentially, and these numbers aren't exact, 455 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,840 but 10% of the water is used for residential use, 456 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,880 10% for commercial and industrial, 457 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,600 and 80% for agriculture. 458 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,800 So, and that makes sense. 459 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:43,880 I mean, that's fine. 460 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:48,880 You go to the third world and you have a spectrum. 461 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:53,880 And the spectrum is anywhere from very arid areas 462 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,360 of the world that essentially have almost no water 463 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:01,400 to very wet areas like Uganda and Africa 464 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,560 that has plenty of water, but most of it has contamination. 465 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,560 And so they have to find a way to basically kill bacteria 466 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,840 and viruses or get rid of it. 467 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,960 Where there is a dearth of water, 468 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,560 it's a lot harder because what you're doing 469 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,040 with ocean water and bringing in seawater desalination, 470 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,920 that's usually been for them. 471 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,880 That's usually been for the big boys. 472 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,880 I mean, the big boys like the government of Oman or Abu Dhabi, 473 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,240 they have big seawater desal plants. 474 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,320 The US Army has seawater desal trucks. 475 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,680 You just don't see it that often. 476 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,520 What you see in the third world is somebody like USAID 477 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,840 or some NGO coming in and building, drilling a well 478 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,840 so that they can pump out groundwater. 479 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,120 We've talked about this either by hand, 480 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:09,240 which they're more than happy to do, 481 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,200 or if it gets deep enough, they gotta have a pump, 482 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,600 but they don't have power, so they have a diesel pump. 483 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,640 There's plenty of water out there. 484 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,000 It's an issue of contamination really. 485 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,120 And in some places, the smartest thing is, 486 00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:34,080 again, what you're doing, putting in a seawater desal facility. 487 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,320 People get water, they don't need a ton. 488 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,600 In other words, in the US, roundabout numbers, 489 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,440 an individual might use 50 to 60 gallons per day. 490 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,600 So when we would plan for a new development, 491 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,240 we might even plan for 100 gallons per person per day. 492 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,320 That would include light commercial 493 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,840 and industrial uses as well. 494 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,560 In the third world, if you can get five to 10 gallons a day, 495 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,520 you're rocking, that's not bad. 496 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,200 And folks know how to use it and they're careful with it, 497 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,720 but it makes their life so much easier 498 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,720 because so much of their time 499 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,040 had been spent collecting water. 500 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,480 I mean, you see the pictures in the African villages 501 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,640 of people around the water pump with the yellow, 502 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,680 they look like gas cans, they call them jerry cans, 503 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,120 that they're using these big plastic things 504 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:33,680 to carry this modestly contaminated water 505 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,360 to their homes three miles away so they can cook and clean. 506 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:44,520 And that's one of the reasons those folks can't move forward. 507 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,800 They just can't get access to water in a reasonable way. 508 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,240 They spend three hours a day doing that. 509 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,080 So, yeah. 510 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,080 Yep, and one of the things that I wrestled with, 511 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,480 I have a background in public health 512 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,000 and then I'm also a pastor. 513 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,480 The thing that I really wrestled with was, 514 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:08,200 what was my moral responsibility to help make a platform 515 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,120 that the wealthiest people in the world have access to 516 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:16,600 and take that platform and utilize that platform 517 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,040 for people that don't have a voice. 518 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,040 So when we say that our podcast is the voice 519 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,520 for indigenous water rights, 520 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,160 what that means is that we're taking that platform 521 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,880 that they use in Oman, that the US military uses, 522 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,880 that the most advanced and most monetary blessed economies 523 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,560 in the world already have, and we're taking that 524 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,440 and we're doing small scale projects. 525 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,240 It's the same technology, but we're dispersing it 526 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,960 for marginalized and forgotten groups of people. 527 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,840 So for example, like in Palmecito, there are 38 families 528 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,760 and a lot of people say, well, would you do a project 529 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,920 for 38 families? 530 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,520 That's roughly 300 people in Palmecito, 531 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,320 literally just on the west side of the main road 532 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,720 toward the ocean, and my answer is yes, of course. 533 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,760 When did 300 people quit being important? 534 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,080 Yeah, that's exactly right, and I think what is great 535 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,880 about what you're doing is that you have, 536 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,720 you've trained a local guy, you understand that it's not 537 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,960 just putting the hardware there, it's learning how 538 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,560 to operate it, it's learning how to maintain it, 539 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,080 it's getting spare parts, so when bearings go out on a pump 540 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,240 or one of the membranes fails in the RO system, 541 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,200 it has access to spare parts, because this is a long-term 542 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,480 deal, that stuff should last a long time. 543 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,480 Yes, yeah, and thank you for, we're gonna continue 544 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,880 to talk some more, but one of the reasons I felt compelled 545 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,040 to start to have these conversations with my friends 546 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,480 is not because I need another thing to do. 547 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,480 You know, my passion for this was to start to have 548 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,320 one conversation at a time with one person at a time 549 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,040 to help really raise minds on this issue, 550 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,400 and we really want to be, I saw that there was really 551 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,680 no one speaking into this space, and so I thought, 552 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,000 well, if no one's speaking into this space, 553 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,920 and this is such important, and the people that need 554 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,800 the platform don't have the voice to speak into the space, 555 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,800 so let's lean into that and do as much good, 556 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:32,800 as good as possible. 557 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,400 For those of you who are listening, you can see why 558 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,600 Dave's like a mentor of mine, you can see why I like 559 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,360 to ride bicycles with Dave when he's a wonderful human 560 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,200 being, but I always come with tons of questions, 561 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,000 I probably talk the entire time, 562 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,760 except when we go up hills. 563 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,440 That's true. 564 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,040 That's not cool, but I always learn so much from you, 565 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,800 so what do you think, help our listeners, 566 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,960 what do you think about what ocean water does? 567 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,840 Oh, I think it's fantastic, I mean, there's an opportunity, 568 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,840 because a couple things, Ryan, one I think is scale, right? 569 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,160 You can overscale these things, you can make them too big, 570 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,600 and it becomes very hard to do, hard to raise the funds, 571 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,720 hard to deliver the equipment, I mean, you have, 572 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,760 you found something, I think this is one of the things 573 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,440 I find very clever, and whenever I talk about ocean water, 574 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,160 I mention this to people, Ryan found this equipment 575 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,280 that he can put in suitcases that are 50 pounds, 576 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,000 and he can put on a plane and take with him. 577 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,080 Now, one of the great advantages of that is, 578 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,400 you don't have to source equipment in another country, 579 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,200 you don't have to run it through customs, you don't have to, 580 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,440 so I think that's one thing. 581 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,760 I think the other thing is you found places that want it, 582 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,600 and are willing to step in, and I mean, step in and run it, 583 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,880 and get it going, and make sure that it's available to all, 584 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,880 because that's what water should be, available to all, 585 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,040 and so I really like those two aspects of it, 586 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,400 I think it's the right scale, maybe it'll get bigger, 587 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,200 but it could be modular too, instead of packing 588 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,000 350 gallons per day treatment system in three suitcases, 589 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,040 you make a 700 gallon a day system, 590 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,920 and you bring six suitcases, right? 591 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,560 So I like the modularity of it as well, 592 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,600 so yeah, I think those are really great aspects of it, Ryan. 593 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,880 Those people don't have a voice, they don't have water, 594 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,000 I don't know how they get along, how they survive, 595 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,120 I've been in places and I just wonder, how do you get, 596 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,040 I mean, I've been in Afghanistan drinking tea 597 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,840 with the tribal elders in a refugee village, 598 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,920 thinking to myself, where did this come from? 599 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,880 Where did the water come from? 600 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,400 Where did the milk come from, and when will I die? 601 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,880 I didn't die, so I was all right. 602 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,880 Well, the backdrop that I'm using, I'm trying to use, 603 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,160 it's a little fuzzy here today, 604 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,160 but is actually of our site in El Salvador, 605 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,600 and that was strategic, and also, 606 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,280 I didn't know you were gonna use an ocean, 607 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,160 so this is tying together really well, 608 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:21,160 because you're right, we don't have a quantity problem, 609 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,120 we have a contaminant problem that can be solved 610 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,840 if we disperse an easily usable platform. 611 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,640 And so how are you involved in ocean water? 612 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,920 Besides being an advisor and helping me? 613 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,800 You know, like a lot of things in my life, 614 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,960 I'm a peripheral supporter. 615 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,140 I'm certainly giving to it, 616 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,860 praying for you and what you're doing. 617 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,560 And I'm available to fund stuff when the time is right, 618 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,560 and we kind of both know when the time is right. 619 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:14,080 And so I've been able to do that, which is great. 620 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,240 Love doing that, supporting what you're doing. 621 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,080 Haven't been on a trip, but again, 622 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,320 when the time is right, I'll be there. 623 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,920 Yeah, that's wonderful. 624 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,520 Well, I think I speak for everybody 625 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,880 who's gonna listen to this, 626 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,000 in that I hope you have so much to say, 627 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,520 and so if I could ask a favor of you, 628 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,280 if you'll come on again in the next 30 to 60 days, 629 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,720 and we'll pick another couple set of questions. 630 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,200 Some of the people that I'm having on here 631 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,760 just have so much to offer. 632 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,840 I would love to, yeah, thank you. 633 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:47,960 Oh, you're welcome, you're welcome. 634 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,760 So Dave, thank you for your time today. 635 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,360 I just wanna say thanks on behalf of everybody 636 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:55,960 who's gonna get something out of this. 637 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,760 And there are a lot, I'm getting a lot of great feedback, 638 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,400 so that's really encouraging. 639 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,440 And just thank you so much for your time, 640 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,760 and I hope we ride Saturday, 641 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,160 and I owe you two goose from last week. 642 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,600 Don't worry about the goose, look forward to the ride. 643 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,440 All right, Dave, thanks. 644 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,480 Bye, brother. 645 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,880 All right, have a great day, my friend. 646 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,200 Thanks, you too, cheers. 647 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:32,200 Yep.