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Alright, so one of the things I know about you is that you have a master's degree in

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organizational leadership and with the emphasis in servant leadership and that's been something

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that I've experienced from you just being your friend.

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You're always like other people first, so much so that I'm like I need to start like

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doing what this dude does.

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Because my friends have always joked about calling me Ryan Delegator.

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I'm like that's funny.

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That's funny.

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That's funny, but it's not funny.

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I was like wow maybe I need to.

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A major portion of leadership is delegating and the ability to delegate.

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But I've just enjoyed your heart with being a servant and so what is something that you

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know now that you wish you would have known like when you started out your career in law

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enforcement?

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Oh, I think if I know now that I probably would have said to, like you're saying, what

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would old Bobby tell young Bobby back in the day and that would probably be buy Apple stock

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when it was a dollar forty seven.

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No, I'm just kidding.

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No, you're not kidding.

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No, you know me.

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I don't really.

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I'm joking.

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What I would tell young officer Ramsey would be work the problem, don't let the problem

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work you.

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And I'll expand on that.

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So I think in the course of my lifetime and I did come to realize this during the course

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of my career, but I think when you're young, especially as a young man, I was always super,

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you know, I always wanted things, you know, quick.

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I was just, you know, I always wanted to achieve the next rank or get to the next assignment

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and do those types of things.

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And sometimes when you're not living in that moment, you're not appreciating the moment

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for what it is.

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So if you have that gear, I think that I probably missed out on a lot of things and a lot of

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things that I thought were really, really heavy.

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You know, time has a way of ironing out wrinkles.

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So what seems like something that might have been super, you know, such a major problem.

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And then you look back and just think like that was really nothing.

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So don't get all worked up over silly things.

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Just kind of, you know, work the problem and work through it.

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And you know, in the end, things are going to work out as long as you as long as you

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do the right things, you know, that's, you know, as long as you keep your integrity in

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check and you go into it with a, you know, a set of values and you work through the problem.

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In the end, things are going to be OK.

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Are they going to turn out the way you want them every time?

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Absolutely not.

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But in the end, it's going to be like, oh, you're just going to look.

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I always say I have more out the, you know, more out the rear view mirror than I do out

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the windshield at this point in my life.

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So maybe, bro, there's always a hundred.

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Yeah.

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Well, still, even if I, you know, even if I get there, I still got more out the rear

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view.

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But yeah, you can look back.

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I look back on things now that just seemed like so overwhelming.

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And now I just think like, how trivial is that?

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So that's what I would probably tell young Bobby back then.

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Enjoy, enjoy what you're living in in the moment.

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Work through it, keep keep everything in place and move forward.

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If that makes sense.

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I totally make sense.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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Yeah, it's so good.

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So what are you what are you curious about these days?

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What am I curious?

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I'm curious what interests you now?

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What are you curious about?

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You know, yeah, I'm curious about a lot of things.

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I'm curious about what does the you know, because we're in this covid-19 thing right

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now.

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And what does what does it look like when we come out of that?

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And how how do we how do we kind of transition to the next part of of life after covid?

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What does that look like for us?

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You know, who knew that you had to wear a mask into the grocery store?

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And that would be like the new norm.

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And so I'm curious about that.

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On a personal level, I'm curious about how I talked about my you know, Robert, you talked

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about servant leadership and Robert Greenleaf said look first to serve and then to lead.

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I always try to be a servant of others, but I also have that gear to be a leader as well.

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So what does the next chapter of my life look like?

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Using the best strengths, abilities so that I can I can serve other people.

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You know, I don't think that you should just rest on your laurels.

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I know a lot of people I'm very blessed because I get to be retired.

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But retirement doesn't mean that you just like sit on a porch in a rocker, knock back

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tall cans of cold ones or whatever, because you're just you'll flounder and you'll die

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anyways.

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You need to you need to be relevant and active and take part in life and live life so that

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you can help other people.

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Yeah, it's it's almost like what do you do with all because it's almost like what do

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you do with all that drive?

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It takes an incredible amount of drive to retire young.

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And so then the drive doesn't go away.

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So it's like what do you do with it?

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Yeah, the drive and the curiosity and the talent you have.

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And then it's like, okay, what do I now that now that the the problem of like time and

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money but then what do you do with talent and drive?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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That's a really good way to frame it.

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Yeah, honestly.

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I don't know.

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But I know I know that's that's well, I know you hit the nail on the head.

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You know, unfortunately, I could go back and find a second career.

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A lot of people do that.

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But I honestly I think this point in time in my life where I'm at with my faith and

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as a as a human being, I just want to I'm blessed that I don't you know, I don't have

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to go get another job so that if I can just use my my skill set, my talents, what I have

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to help other people, that's kind of what I want to do.

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That's a whole that's a whole nother level of fulfillment and meaning.

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And it's a really cool chapter to be in.

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And so what is something that you have just that you've failed at?

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Oh, I asked someone the other day, they're like, you want me to pick one?

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Yeah.

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So I feel the same way.

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But to me, maybe pick out two that you that you want to know.

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To me, I think failure is the true f word.

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I don't it.

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That's good.

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I don't try to ever frame things as failure.

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I mean, this is life according to Bob Ramsey, which is nothing.

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I mean, it is what it take it with a grain of salt or living and learning.

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Failure to me seems so final.

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Like when you say I failed at this.

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Well, is there really a failure?

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It's something unless you you do something you do not succeed and then you die immediately.

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Failure to me is just an opportunity to to learn, to improve and to move on.

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So that's the way I look at failure.

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And I fail every single day if you if we want to use the f word, because every day I could

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I could do things better.

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There's been so many things in my life where I could have been better, whether that's being

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a husband, whether that's being a father, whether that's being a friend, whether that's

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being an employee, whether that's being a leader, whether that's being a servant of

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God.

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How many missed opportunities have I have I had in my life?

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So I don't I wouldn't even know where to begin where I talk about failures.

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You know, I do every day.

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Oh, you and me.

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I mean, I did this morning and instead of working out for an hour, I worked out for 45 minutes.

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So to me, on so many levels, that's probably a failure.

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I should have got up 40.

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I should have got up 15 minutes earlier so I could put that in into my my routine.

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It's funny how that's but that's what you do when you're driven.

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You know, when you're driven, you you set your own goals.

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Nobody sets them for you when you're driven, you set your own goals.

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And then you're disappointed in yourself when you don't accomplish them.

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And you don't you don't need somebody else to tell you.

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You're just like I said I was going to work out for an hour and I did 45 minutes.

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So it's confession time.

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Right.

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It's yeah.

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And that's that's another conversation all in itself because I think you can be so hard

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on yourself where it becomes, you know, paradigm paralysis or, you know, where you are you're

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so hard on yourself that you can never get to the next level.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I fail all the time.

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Yeah, I guess if I want to use that word, gosh, I, you know, I pray every morning, God,

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I hope I hope I can be better today than I was yesterday.

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Yeah, you know.

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And that's a talking about leadership and serve.

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I'm a student of leadership.

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If you're not looking yourself in the mirror every single day and trying to see how I can

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improve in one way or another, then you're really, you know, you're just you're hurting

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yourself.

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I think there's something inside where you just where you want to be your best.

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I think that's a great definition of success is like that you just know that you're that

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you're that you're absolutely trying to be your best and you kind of live with the kind

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of personal responsibility of that.

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And that's where you find a lot of your happiness when you just start to understand.

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Look, I'm doing the best with with what I have and I'm leveraging it to help as many

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people as possible.

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And then there's a lot of a lot of happiness in that.

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It's cool.

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You know, so I try to learn something new every day as well.

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And it wasn't too long ago that we were surfing with Adam Watts and you know, Adam Watts

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is a great surfer.

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Ryan's a great surfer.

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I'm a very mediocre surfer.

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And then that surfer is the guy with the biggest smile.

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I would make Bobby the world champion because he smiles much more than Adam Watts.

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That's what Adam told me after I watched Adam drop into this barrel and just I was awestruck

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by like, oh, what a great.

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And then I was like, oh, dude, that was so awesome.

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That was so sick.

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And then he said, oh, man, you know what, Bobby, I think you're you had the best surf

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session today.

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I was like, why is that?

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You always said the best surf session because, dude, you were just smiling and laughing and

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hooting and all that.

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And then the whole time I was like, yeah, that struck a chord with me because, yeah,

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you have to have fun with what you're doing.

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You know, absolutely.

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If you take it so seriously all the time, like unless you're like on the pro tour and

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there's tons of those guys in this town.

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Yeah, there are actually.

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Well, then if you're not just enjoying what you're doing, then, yeah, nobody's ever going

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to pay me to surf, you know.

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So I should just have a good time about it.

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I try not to offend other people when I'm in the lineup.

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Yeah, that's a whole other podcast.

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Water medicated.

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Yeah, don't drop in on your bros.

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So let's take a little bit of a right turn.

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What is your kind of what's your like current understanding of like the water situation

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in the world?

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Oh, man.

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I've been fortunate to travel some places around the world.

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And the things that we take for granted here in the United States, like you can go back

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in the old days, you know, we used to just drink out of the hose.

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I know, Maria and I were talking about that.

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Yeah.

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There was a bottle of water.

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Your parents, my parents were like, there's the hose in the front yard.

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Exactly.

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And I'm not going to lie, you know, like sometimes after we go surf at Trestles and I'm rinsing

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on my wetsuit and I'm thirsty, I'll still drink out of the hose.

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Cool.

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I don't know that that's bad or good.

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But in other places in the world that I've traveled, you cannot do that.

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And it's a major problem to try to find water that you can consume.

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In a lot of ways, it goes towards the fact that there's so many third world countries

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where the, you know, we were in the middle of COVID-19 and I'm not trying to make light

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of that on any level, but different places in the world, people are not very healthy

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just in that they don't drink water.

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It's cheaper for them to drink Coca-Cola than it is to drink water.

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And that's why they do it.

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Yes, exactly.

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And then so what does that do to your body when you're putting that kind of toxic stuff

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in your, I'm not going to lie, I love, like if I go to the movies, I love a big old gallon

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of Coca-Cola, but I try not to drink it very often, you know.

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So yeah, we take it for granted that we can get water anytime, but as I know, like, because

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you and I have been to El Salvador three times and I've been to other places around the world

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where it's a struggle to get water.

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It sure is.

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In fact, if you look at the data from the UN, you can see that the life expectancy in

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the countries where people have either an access problem or a quality problem, and then

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you study life expectancy rates and they're like 20 to 23 years less than what it is here

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in the US.

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Yeah.

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And it's like putting, you know, diesel in an engine that needs unleaded.

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Totally.

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It's just going to wear, you know, we don't have, yeah, exactly.

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We're going to, that'll have an effect over time.

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You did mention that you have traveled quite a bit and Bobby, one of the places where Bobby

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spent five times is to the Manawais in Indonesia.

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In fact, Bobby will be leading a trip through ocean water actually next March.

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Well, hopefully COVID's over by then so we can get there.

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Yeah, I think it'll be.

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I think they'll open up the airlines by then.

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And we'll be, on that trip, we'll be partnering with Kandui Surf Resort, who you know.

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Ray, John John, you know, all the guys there.

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You know, Justice, you know, all the guys there.

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There's an island that's about 20 minutes away where the majority of the employees for

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Kandui live.

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A lot of employees, right.

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And we're going to be installing an ocean based clean water platform there on that trip.

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That's really exciting.

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I'm super stoked about it.

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I have such, there's such a huge place in my heart for the people in the Manawai Islands

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in Indonesia.

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There's some of the kindest, most loving people and it's, it's one of those places where,

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you know, they're surrounded by water.

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You know, it's in, there's 18,000, about 18,000 islands in Indonesia and they're surrounded

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by water.

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But getting fresh water, when I was just there this last October, they were in a huge drought

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and water was at a premium and they couldn't get fresh water.

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And the water that they do have that they are able to get is, you know.

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It has high salinity.

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It has high salinity.

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It has high salinity.

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So that's where our system, your system, ocean water system will be able to provide fresh

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drinking water for people.

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And then not just that.

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And I always, when I talk to people about ocean water, I talk to people about, yeah,

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it's providing drinking water, but it's also providing living water.

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And that's the thing that, that stokes me as well, you know.

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When you're able to provide that living water, along with water that they can, you can use

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and they don't have to, you know, here's another thing that bothers me about the water perspective

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in the world is, you know, because you've, you're a surfer, but you go to certain places

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and the beaches are just littered with plastic bottles.

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When you leave Padang, the harbor in Padang to go out to the Mentawai, that 90 mile trek

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across the Indian Ocean, that harbor is just loaded with plastic bottles and trash because

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that's the mechanism that we transport water, fresh water.

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And it's become so out of control that, you know, it's killing all kinds of, you know,

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living beings and, you know, our oceans.

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So that's another dynamic.

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So, yeah, well, you know, people wonder, you know, how does, how does change happen when

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you have a billion people in the world that have a quality, a water quality problem and

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an access problem?

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And so how do you initiate change?

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And the answer is it's one conversation at a time.

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It's one friendship at a time.

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And it's just, it's just one trip at a time.

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And so that's one of the reasons why we do this podcast is we want, we, we want to be

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the voice for indigenous water rights and indigenous means local people from a country

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and a culture.

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That's what the word indigenous means.

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So why do we want to be a voice for those people?

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Because one of the things that you'll find out is that oftentimes the people that need

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the greatest amount of resource and help don't have a voice.

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So part of being a follower of Jesus and part of being a, what I think is a true disciple

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is you use your, your influence and you leverage that to be a voice for the voiceless.

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And so I believe that if you want God to help you do something, that you've got to find

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something that genuinely serves and meets the needs of others.

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And I can't think of anything that does that better than helping people source an unlimited

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supply of water from the ocean.

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And then with that sourcing, people can also grow their own food.

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It's like our friend, Simpapo, he just sent me photos two days ago.

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Here he is.

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What a great guy.

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What a legend.

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I mean, if you would have told me that, that on the last trip that Paco and I, we've been

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on this journey and Simpapo is our friend.

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We're trying to figure it out.

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And then we, we gave him the keys and we're like, Oh, you're in charge now.

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It's kind of this journey.

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And then, and then he tells me the other day, I've been talking to him on the phone almost

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every day and he's like, I didn't know that, that I was going to be helping all 38 families

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in Palmar Ceto get water and food literally seven days after we left in March.

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So that's awesome.

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And again, you know, but I really, but I

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How many of the disciples didn't know that the journey they were going on.

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Well, you and me, you and me both, it's like, you never really know what you're getting

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into.

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So you kind of do like a reluctant, what I call like a reluctant you.

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Yes.

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You're like, Oh yeah, cool.

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Yeah, I'll go like, like Ivan told me, he's like, yeah, when you asked me to read, read,

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read the Bible every day, I like, I didn't even know what I was getting into.

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And that, but that's just like God, God just asks us to do a little bit and then that starts

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like a journey.

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But yeah, it is really exciting.

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One of the ways that, that you can, that you can get involved if you're interested in,

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in going to Indonesia with us is we do, we do have a link on our website.

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If you go to, if you go to oceanwater.com and that's both CNWTR.com.

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There's a link on there.

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If you click on trips, this is important because we only have 12 spots on this one.

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We're, we're probably more, because I've been thinking about this.

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Oh, cool.

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So there's can do and then there's can do resorts, which is right around the corner.

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If we had enough support and enough help, then we could, there's enough resorts there

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that we can figure it out.

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It's a party.

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Well, it's, it'll be a party.

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Yeah.

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It'll be party to help other people.

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It'll be, you'll definitely get good waves if you go.

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And just the, the number of lives that you can positively impact, that will be great

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in itself.

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I love it, dude.

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New tagline at Ocean Water, a party to help other people.

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Party to help other people.

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That's awesome, man.

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Do you, I just want to say thank you on behalf of everybody who's going to hear this today.

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Thanks for taking like the time.

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You're the graduate from the school of hard knocks and you've got a lot of humility and

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just so much to offer.

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And if you do me a favor, if you'll come back again, like next month and we just, again,

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we just want to start to be a voice into this space and it starts like a conversation at

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a time.

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I know you, I know.

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And thank you so much, man.

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And just, again, it just, it's like a conversation at a time, a friend at a time, a trip at a

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time.

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And we'll just keep, we'll just keep going down that road.

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Let's crush it.

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Let's crush it, bro.

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Thank you.

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You guys, thanks so much for being with us today.

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I hope you got something out of it and we'll catch you again tomorrow.