1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,240 computer. All right. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,880 All right. Welcome. Today I get a chance to talk with my good friend, 3 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:15,680 Shane. We have a couple things that we've overlapped on. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,360 Shane lives in California. 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,400 Did recently until this most recent chapter, 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,640 just taking them all over, all over the place. 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,520 We just a fun guy, 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,280 both love God, both love adventure. 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,280 Both of us are really excited to teach people about God in a way that makes 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,160 sense for both of us. 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,800 I use a lot of my surfing and you'll hear a lot of how God's working through 12 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,760 Shane's life through the lifestyle that him and his wife and kids have chosen 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,760 to really lean into, which, which is amazing. 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,640 And I'm just glad you can be with me, bro. 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,800 Yeah, man. It's good to be here. Stoked to hang out and talk and love technology. 16 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,680 The fact we can do this in different places. 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,520 Yeah, it's super, super nice. So I, you know, I got, 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,600 I've, I've surfed since I was a kid. That's a part of my upbringing. 19 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,360 My father got me a boogie board. 20 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,360 I think when I was eight and he, 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,640 he was always a surfer, 22 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,360 but I was too scared to go out there when I was a little kid. 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,200 And then when I was 12, 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,400 I read my first wave of my boogie board and I stood up on it. 25 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,920 And then my father took me and got me a, 26 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,600 a five eight double swallow quad surfboard that I had for a year. 27 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:46,600 This was 1986 and surfing has been a part of my life ever since. 28 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:51,600 And I'm leading with that because some of the things that we, 29 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,600 that we make a part of our life growing up, 30 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,600 they really impact sort of how we relate to people. 31 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:03,600 And I've always used surfing as a way to just enjoy my life and, 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,600 and connect with people. 33 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,600 And at what point did you get into being outdoors and. 34 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,600 Yeah. I mean, dude, we're, I mean, similar stories in that, 35 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,600 like I didn't grow up near the beach, but I grew up near the mountains. 36 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:24,600 And so they owned a mining claim up in the Sierra Nevadas, California. 37 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,600 And we would spend most of our weekends all throughout the summer, 38 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,600 we would go to the beach and we would go to the beach and we would go to the 39 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,600 law muscular field and actually I live in California and we would spend 40 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,600 most of our weekends all throughout the summer going out to the woods. 41 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:45,600 My, my parents would go gold panning and fishing and shooting. 42 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,600 That's just kind of, I was just our life growing up. 43 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:49,600 And so we spent a lot of time outdoors. 44 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,600 And then as we got a little older, my parents got an RV and. 45 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,600 We'd go on camping trips in the RV or tent camping. 46 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,980 And like being outside, you know, that's just what we did. 47 00:02:56,980 --> 00:02:58,920 It was our normal upbringing. 48 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:03,640 And so, you know, moving inside of a 45 foot fifth wheel 49 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:05,280 didn't seem too crazy. 50 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,100 It seemed kind of like normal. 51 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:12,680 Yeah, that's awesome. 52 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,280 I, there's been so many things that, 53 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,880 that was one big thing I wanted to know. 54 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,920 And I had kind of thought to myself, 55 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:20,640 man, he must have grown up like doing it. 56 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:22,560 For those of you who don't know Shane, 57 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,560 can you tell them a little bit of your story 58 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,560 of how you were doing basically traditional ministry 59 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,000 and talk a little bit about that 60 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,320 and how it led you up to selling your house 61 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,720 and doing what you're doing now. 62 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,560 Like what was kind of like your traditional ministry 63 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,520 experience background? 64 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,520 Yeah, so I got called into ministry in about 2011, 2012, 65 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,440 and basically went right into schooling, 66 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,400 basically doing online classes, 67 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,920 getting my education for understanding 68 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,480 what it means to be a pastor. 69 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:57,720 It's kind of what typically what happens 70 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:58,600 you get called in the ministry 71 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:03,240 and started serving as kind of an assistant youth pastor. 72 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,840 Then I got hired on as an actual youth pastor, 73 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,280 did that for a number of years, 74 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,920 and then got called in the senior pastor ministry, 75 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,220 did that for about a year and a half. 76 00:04:13,220 --> 00:04:16,080 And then we were feeling the call just to, 77 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,760 really just to downsize, you know, kind of simplify life. 78 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,580 And so, you know, ministry for us was our Sunday ministry, 79 00:04:22,580 --> 00:04:25,560 like our Sunday church ministry was everything. 80 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,840 You know, we had our midweek services or outreach programs, 81 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:31,480 but everything was focused on our Sunday morning. 82 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,960 And we were trying to get the question, 83 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,800 how do we get people to church? 84 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,240 And it's hard because we're competing, 85 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,680 it's just California and you guys, 86 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:40,600 I mean, Ryan, you know this, 87 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,960 that California culture is busy. 88 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,760 And so you're kind of competing with the busyness 89 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,920 of how can I make church attractive enough 90 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,200 where people would choose church 91 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,760 over what they're doing on Sunday, 92 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,960 whether it's sports, games, 93 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,120 different things that are going on. 94 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,160 Like there's a lot of stuff 95 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,240 that people could choose over church. 96 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,600 And so we were trying to figure out 97 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,040 how we could make church attractive enough 98 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,360 with a low budget, you know, function. 99 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,960 And so, you know, for my wife and I, 100 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,960 we decided we wanted to maybe not do that. 101 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,120 And what if we just make a bunch 102 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,200 of really attractive Christians, 103 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,840 not physically attractive, 104 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:18,600 but just, you know, attractive people for Jesus. 105 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,160 And yeah, so that's kind of what prompted 106 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,680 the choosing a different lifestyle. 107 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,200 But what that led to is obviously something different, 108 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,300 even for ministry now. 109 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,160 Yeah, I remember from 2015 to 2019, 110 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:41,200 I was a youth pastor like yourself at Saddleback Church. 111 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,720 And I remember Clears Day, 112 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:48,720 it was the service following Easter in 2018. 113 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,680 And I was in a staff meeting. 114 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,680 I loved Rick, I loved the church. 115 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:59,680 I didn't want to leave. 116 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,920 I didn't want any more responsibility than I had. 117 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,760 I really liked my life. 118 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:10,760 And I remember very clearly sitting in this staff meeting 119 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,760 and the church had just announced their Easter attendance 120 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,080 and it was the most people that they'd ever had. 121 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,360 And I was clapping like everybody else 122 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,320 and all these people had gotten baptized. 123 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,200 It was this really amazing moment in the worship center, 124 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,840 just the people that work there, 125 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:32,920 we had gathered together to celebrate this experience. 126 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,920 And it was like as clear as day, 127 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,240 I'm in this meeting, like God was telling me, 128 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,720 you're out of here, I'm sending you out of here. 129 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,920 And I was like, I'm not gonna leave. 130 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,000 I'm out of here, I'm sending you out of here. 131 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,960 And I'm like, what in the world are you talking about? 132 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,000 I like it here, I don't wanna leave. 133 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,800 In fact, God, in fact, I know a hundred people 134 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,200 that probably really don't even like working here. 135 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,680 Why don't you say one of them? 136 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,240 And I meant it, why would you put that on my heart? 137 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:13,240 I like it here and I don't wanna leave and that was 138 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,840 the beginning of me moving away from something 139 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,960 that was centralized and something wonderful 140 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,160 and something that I enjoyed. 141 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,040 And I also remember being terrified because I was like, 142 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,120 my only frame of reference for ministry was these larger 143 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,600 than life kind of congregations. 144 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,760 And I remember just thinking, like talking with God 145 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,920 and being like, if I have to like do, 146 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,040 if I have to serve you this way, 147 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:53,040 I think I'm gonna be awful at it, like awful. 148 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:58,000 And I just felt God telling me, no, 149 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,120 just start small and stay small. 150 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,720 And I hung on to that. 151 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,360 And I didn't even know what it meant at the time. 152 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,760 I just felt that in my mind, like in my heart, 153 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,200 I just felt like God was saying, no, it's okay, man. 154 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,600 Like, I'm not calling you to do this. 155 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,880 This is awesome, this is a part of my kingdom, 156 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,280 this is a part of it. 157 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,480 I don't want you to do that and I don't need you to do that. 158 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,480 And I remember just feeling this wave come off of me like, 159 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:36,480 oh, thank you God, because I can't do it this way. 160 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,320 You know me, Lord, I will not do well at this. 161 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,560 And I just remember feeling this wave come off of me. 162 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:47,280 And I also remember feeling, 163 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,000 like I also didn't even know what it meant. 164 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,960 Because I did know how to start small 165 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,360 because there were a few times in my life 166 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,640 when I had started like Bible studies 167 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,640 and I really enjoyed that, you know. 168 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,800 And, but I just kind of wanted to chat about that 169 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,720 for a minute, because I think 170 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,720 when you have centralized ministry experience, 171 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,600 there's a set of expectations that go with that, 172 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,440 there's a set of assumptions that go with that, 173 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,240 there's a cultural set of assumptions that go with that. 174 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,600 And to, when that's all you know, 175 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,480 and then you take a courageous step to, 176 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,080 you're like, yes, Jesus, yes, your word, 177 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:35,080 yes, disciple making, yes, missions, yes, helping people, 178 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,480 no centralization, no large gatherings, no buildings. 179 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:45,520 You really tease apart the parts you wanna keep 180 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,680 and the parts you wanna let go of, you know. 181 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,840 And what's that journey been like for you, 182 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,840 transitioning from one approach to another? 183 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,600 Oh man, the journey is, that's a couple hours. 184 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:08,600 But I will say, you know, to get to the point 185 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,560 of where we said yes to the style of ministry 186 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:15,280 or the type of ministry that we're doing right now 187 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,720 is willing to abandon really the entire model 188 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,080 in which I was married to. 189 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,400 And that was really hard, you know, 190 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,000 because I was pretty committed. 191 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,040 I mean, I know God called me, 192 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,160 like I had an audible call into ministry. 193 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,560 And so I don't ever question that, you know, 194 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:32,400 for some people they keep really start questioning 195 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,400 what that is and I go, God, I know you called me into this. 196 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:37,760 It's the only time I heard voices in my head 197 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,360 and I thought I should go check into an asanas. 198 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,400 I thought there was something wrong with me 199 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,920 and I heard voices in my head. 200 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,480 And, you know, so I never questioned that. 201 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,600 And so to question the method or the way 202 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,440 in which I'm supposed to be serving God, 203 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,640 you know, it shook me to the core 204 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,320 and had to go right back to his word 205 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,400 and really figure out what it means to be a, quote unquote, 206 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,760 pastor or a minister of the gospel. 207 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,440 And so with all that being said, you know, 208 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:06,440 it was really different, you know, 209 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,400 I would say it started with diving into scripture 210 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,480 of really what it means to be called, you know, serving God. 211 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,520 And then from there, knowing that, all right, 212 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,960 well, maybe I don't need to be married to the model like I am. 213 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,040 And so we would, at that point, 214 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,200 we were already living in a trailer in an RV, 215 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,600 really because God was already telling us 216 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,160 at the same exact time to live simple. 217 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,640 And so we had gotten rid of our sticks and bricks home 218 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,200 in Northern California. 219 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,400 And at the church I was pastoring 220 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,760 was about 30 minutes away from us. 221 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:36,680 So we wanted to get closer, 222 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:38,680 but we couldn't afford to live in the neighborhood. 223 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:40,920 But because we were married to the model, you know, 224 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,640 the senior pastor needs to live, you know, 225 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,840 within proximity of the place that they're, you know, 226 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,480 they're actually pastoring. 227 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,120 And so a 30 minute drive to just go to a park 228 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,640 and sit and work and hopefully to connect 229 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,600 with a couple of families was a lot of work 230 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,560 and not a ton of fruit from it, to be honest with you. 231 00:11:56,560 --> 00:12:00,040 And so I had more people coming to my church from, 232 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,400 you know, down in where I was from, driving up there. 233 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:04,600 And I started asking the question, 234 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:05,640 well, what am I doing wrong? 235 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:06,720 So clearly I need to move up there. 236 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:07,560 I can't afford to go up there, 237 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,240 but I can afford to live in a trailer. 238 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,480 So I bought the trailer, lived up there, 239 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,160 and went into a different community at that point. 240 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,720 We took our trailer, we went into an RV park one time 241 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,400 and God revealed this entire ministry field of people 242 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,320 that is being unreached for the church. 243 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,640 So in that, we started asking questions, 244 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,160 well, how does the church become the church 245 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:33,280 to a place that has no zip code? 246 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,760 I mean, typically speaking, you plan a church 247 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:36,880 where you're gonna go pastor somewhere, 248 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,840 you literally are asking the question, 249 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,080 and what zip code am I going into? 250 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,680 And you can do research and look at stats for, you know, 251 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:45,320 everything in that neighborhood to figure out 252 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,920 what kind of ministry you're gonna provide, you know, 253 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,240 service opportunities, so on and so forth. 254 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,320 And so for us, it was the full-time RV world. 255 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,160 And so we've quite literally had to think 256 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,680 of a different method. 257 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:58,400 And so that means we had to go back to scripture again 258 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,320 and look at, go, well, how are we gonna fulfill 259 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,200 the great commission to a community that has no zip code? 260 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,720 And so that's kind of us, that's where it kind of all started. 261 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,680 And we had already kind of had the vision of micro church, 262 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:12,200 home church plants at the last church 263 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,080 that we were serving in with, 264 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,160 and never had the opportunity to implement it 265 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,240 because we couldn't see two models, you know, 266 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,680 and that's where a lot of the big churches 267 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:22,880 are both able to shift from one model to the other, 268 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,120 or even small churches where we have to sustain one 269 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:26,400 while we build the other, 270 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,520 but we don't have enough manpower to build the other, 271 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,400 so we have to just kind of sustain the current. 272 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,600 And so for us, it was kind of an easy thing 273 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,520 because we closed the church. 274 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,000 And for Sarah and I, my wife and I, we said, 275 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,600 all right, well, let's pick the model 276 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,840 that's actually gonna work for this community. 277 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,400 And you know, met some pretty awesome people in the process 278 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,520 of that, people that were also doing something similar 279 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,200 or have already done it. 280 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,880 And so, yeah, I mean, that's the quickest version 281 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:54,880 I could share that within, 282 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,600 but it really started with like just looking at scripture 283 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,200 and what the church started out as, 284 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,280 and who was actually effectively growing the church 285 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,560 and effectively seeking out the kingdom. 286 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:09,320 And looking at those examples in scripture allows us to see 287 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,240 who's doing that fruitfully within our context 288 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,080 and then knowing that we can still edify one another 289 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:17,240 while we glorify God. 290 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,240 Yeah, I love how a lot of times in our life, 291 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,960 we'll feel discontent with something. 292 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,240 I remember feeling discontent inside. 293 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,640 I remember I had this office, 294 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,960 like I said, I was at Saddleback, it was a beautiful office. 295 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,040 It was an office I didn't deserve. 296 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,360 It had this view I didn't deserve. 297 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,520 And I would look out and I would be like, 298 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:43,720 what am I doing? 299 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,240 Like, what am I doing? 300 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,720 And there was this discontent 301 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,480 and there was this discomfort that I had. 302 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,040 And then there was also this passion that I had. 303 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,400 I mean, I wanted to see all of these people 304 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,400 that I felt like I was meeting along the way 305 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:01,880 through surfing and traveling 306 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,520 and helping people do water and get water and stuff. 307 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:10,520 I was like, how could I, like they won't fit in all of this. 308 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,040 And I was like, how can I help them learn about God? 309 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,280 And then it's awesome, 310 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,280 because I feel like when we are discontent, 311 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,120 we have some discomfort and we lean into our passion, 312 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,880 that's how God does something new. 313 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,400 But when you don't know any better, 314 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:38,400 there is like, you feel this risk, 315 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,160 you know, like you, man. 316 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,520 You're like, am I really gonna like sell my house? 317 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,160 I mean, bro, that's pretty gnarly. 318 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,280 That's pretty gnarly, dude. 319 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,360 You know, that's, how was that? 320 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,440 Is that hard? 321 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,080 Yeah, I mean, I'll say this. 322 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,040 I think what I love is, 323 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,920 in the story of the timeline 324 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,360 in which God called us into this, 325 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:01,920 we were having two different conversations 326 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,480 and God does that often in our life. 327 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,720 Like we're having two separate conversations. 328 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,560 One was we can't afford to, you know, 329 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,080 to move into the neighborhood that we're pastoring in. 330 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,640 So all of this, we're committed to this, 331 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:14,680 we're committed to the method. 332 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,200 So we had to go up there. 333 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,120 And the only way to affordably do that 334 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,560 was to buy, sell our house and buy a trailer 335 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,920 and put all of our stuff in a storage unit. 336 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,520 And so, and we started really downsizing 337 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,880 after God made it really clear 338 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,560 that we were not going to be staying stationary 339 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,680 in this, you know, the city that we're pastoring in. 340 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,000 So, you know, that was, 341 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,160 so what was good is that God was actually having 342 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,240 two separate conversations with us at the same time. 343 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,320 Number one, downsize, simplify, 344 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:41,760 you don't need all this stuff. 345 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:42,920 And then number two, 346 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,720 he was the vision that he had given Sarah and I 347 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,080 for to actually be, you know, pastors 348 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,320 to whatever community that we're in. 349 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,520 So, you know, the, I would say the easy part 350 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,200 was actually selling our house 351 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,440 and getting into something smaller 352 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,240 because that was just transactional. 353 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,640 You know, getting rid of our stuff 354 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:01,480 and kind of going through that. 355 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,080 Once we were in the trailer, 356 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,600 you know, we still had our support system, 357 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,240 we still had our family, we still had our friends, 358 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,720 we still had all that within a 30 minute drive. 359 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,000 So, we didn't feel like we were losing anything. 360 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:14,200 We decided to say, hey, we're going to do this ministry 361 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,800 but it's also going to require us to not just be 362 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,160 in one location, that it became really difficult. 363 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,800 Because at that point, that mean that we're, 364 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,160 we're going to go ahead and close the church, 365 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,160 which means I was losing a job. 366 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,280 That means that Sarah would actually have to quit her job 367 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,440 and find a remote job 368 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,240 because she was, she's always kind of in our financial support 369 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,160 and we're going to have to lose all of our, 370 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,040 all of our friends support system. 371 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,400 And so all the people, and then also not knowing 372 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,480 what our denomination and our church was going to say, 373 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,360 like, can I even remain part of that? 374 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:43,600 So even that last like piece that we were kind of 375 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,600 hanging onto of what does this look like? 376 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,400 But we don't know, but we know God's called us to it. 377 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,240 And so we got to stay committed to what God's called us to. 378 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,120 So, so I would say that even in just those four areas, 379 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:56,320 it was really difficult. 380 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,600 That was the process of leaving and going and do something. 381 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,560 And for those who've started other churches, right, 382 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,920 or gone to other churches, been hired out of state, 383 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,120 they know that, but typically speaking, 384 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,800 they're going, they're getting right into the next 385 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,920 IE support system, whether it's the church. 386 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,080 Yeah, exactly. 387 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,240 You know, for us, we were leaving everything 388 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,000 and we weren't even sure what we were going to find, 389 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,560 you know, out in the rest of America. 390 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,520 And God has proven himself time and time again, 391 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,760 that those are the things we don't need to worry about. 392 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,760 But yeah, so I kind of hope that answers your question. 393 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:34,160 Well, I love what you said about 394 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,480 being married to a model, you know, 395 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,400 and sometimes we just forget that we're married to Jesus. 396 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:48,280 Like, like he's, but it gets lost sometimes. 397 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,520 And this is a real thing. 398 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:54,000 I mean, I have several friends who if I could name, 399 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,000 I will not, that when their calling 400 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,960 was no longer their career, 401 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,080 when their calling was no longer their career, 402 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:14,080 they left Jesus, left the Bible, and left the church. 403 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,920 And I cannot tell you how disheartening and hard 404 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,360 that's been for me to watch. 405 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:26,920 And ultimately, you know, all we do is follow, 406 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,360 we follow Christ. 407 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:33,640 But I think part of it is it's just easier 408 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:38,640 to throw it all away than to deal with nuance, you know? 409 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,600 And, you know, but yeah, when you really sit down 410 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,120 and you think about your life, 411 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:51,120 you know, we love the Lord, we love his word. 412 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,760 And we have to lean into the way that we want 413 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,920 to teach other people about him. 414 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,760 Yeah, amen. 415 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,960 And a lot of times when after you've done ministry 416 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,720 a certain way, and then it's not going the way that you want, 417 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,720 or is it producing the outcomes that you intended 418 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,200 and that you wanted? 419 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,480 It's easier to just kind of throw your hands up 420 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,600 and just walk away from the whole thing 421 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,960 than to deal with the incredible disappointment 422 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,560 and the nuance of it. 423 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:30,400 Yeah. 424 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:35,400 I've seen, I mean, one of the best things 425 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:40,480 that's happened for me, Shane, you're 30, right? 426 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,280 34. 427 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,800 Hey, you're 34. 428 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,560 One of the best things that's happened to me 429 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,560 in the last year has been becoming friends with you, Curtis. 430 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,240 I had already known my friend Nico for about four years, 431 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:04,240 but when I transitioned out of doing ministry one way 432 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,520 and then feeling this impression, 433 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,720 no, start small and stay small, 434 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,200 and just lean into that and do that. 435 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,640 Fits your personality well. 436 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:18,840 I'll be with you. 437 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,640 I felt like God told me I'll be with you. 438 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,640 I'll be 50 next year. 439 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,760 And one of the best things that's happened in my life 440 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,760 is to develop friends that are with courage 441 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,760 and enormous amounts of boldness 442 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,640 and taking huge risk, huge risk to carve a new path, 443 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,800 to be pioneers. 444 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,040 I just wanna say thanks because seeing you 445 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,560 stay with the Lord, stay with your family, 446 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,120 love your kids, love your family, 447 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:09,120 love your kids, transition from one paradigm to the other 448 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,560 and do it pretty gracefully. 449 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,960 Bro, my hat's off to you. 450 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,360 That is not an easy thing to do. 451 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,160 Not at all. 452 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,000 Yeah. 453 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,040 Well, that's, yeah. 454 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,880 I can't, you know how I feel about you, dude. 455 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,000 I wouldn't be in the position without people 456 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,600 that can encourage you and champion you 457 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:34,520 and what you're doing. 458 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,240 And so, you've been that person for me, Ryan. 459 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,000 Like that person. 460 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,280 When you have good people, good mentors, good friends 461 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,080 who are championing you for what you're doing 462 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,960 for the kingdom, you know, and I think, 463 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:53,520 you know, we always look forward to that atta boy 464 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,200 or that atta girl that's just that pat on the back. 465 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,040 Like, man, you're doing- 466 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,040 Well, we need it. 467 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:57,880 We need it. 468 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,880 But it means something bigger and deeper 469 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,480 when someone gives you that for the kingdom. 470 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,000 Like, you're doing that for the kingdom, like atta boy. 471 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,280 And instead of seeing what you've done for an organization 472 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,040 or for, you know, whatever model it is 473 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,720 that you're working on, man, it just feels, 474 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,480 it feels so much different. 475 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,240 And whether it's someone who's rude 476 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,320 or recognizing the work that you're doing, 477 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,200 you know, I'll share the story just because I think 478 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,280 it definitely is part of what compelled me 479 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,280 to move more in this direction. 480 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,520 As I was sitting on a room with some other leaders 481 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,560 and pastors, I won't give any names as well, 482 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,160 but I asked the question, like, 483 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,760 how are you guys making disciples? 484 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,720 And we went around the room and everybody answered 485 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,440 the question with what they were doing in their church, 486 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,000 whether they were discipling their staff 487 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,120 or they were discipling their, you know, their board. 488 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,000 And that was just kind of where they ended 489 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,960 with their conversation. 490 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,960 And so I came back and I said, 491 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,280 but how are you making disciples as a person? 492 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,280 Like just as a person, how are you discipling people? 493 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,080 And no one could answer the question 494 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,480 because they were focused on making disciples 495 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,760 within the context of their job. 496 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,200 And for me, and I just realized, man, 497 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,080 I am doing my job outside of the context of church 498 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,640 and I'm failing to do my job in the context of church 499 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,440 because I don't wanna just make disciples at church, 500 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,160 I wanna make disciples in my everyday life. 501 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,000 Yeah. 502 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,480 And it kind of just like for me, it was kind of shaking me 503 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,320 because I'm like, I don't understand why 504 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,320 none of these other pastors wanna do what I'm doing. 505 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,680 And I realized like they don't have to do 506 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,120 because they're not doing anything wrong. 507 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:42,960 And I think- No! 508 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,120 And that gave me the- Just different. 509 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,320 Just different. 510 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,160 And that gave me- Just different. 511 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,960 Man, I think I'm just trying to be like everyone else 512 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,920 while God is literally speaking to me saying, 513 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,600 I created you to be like this. 514 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,880 And I'd go read stories, I'd read stories on Timothy 515 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,280 and I'd read stories on Paul and I'd read stories on Peter. 516 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,880 And I'm like, these guys literally were following Jesus 517 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,360 at all costs and were forsaking their careers. 518 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,400 Yep. 519 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,600 Why do you do the same thing? 520 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,280 And I already felt that, like I was already forsaking 521 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,720 my career because I was already in business management 522 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,360 before I got called into ministry. 523 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,920 So I left the secular world of like managing businesses 524 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,000 and owning my own company to go pursue ministry. 525 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,000 And so I was like, well, God, I've already done that once. 526 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,840 Like, why would you call me to do that again? 527 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,320 And he's like, yeah, but you're familiar with that. 528 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,920 You can abandon that method, right? 529 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,040 You're literally married to the method. 530 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,880 So abandon that, like I've literally called you into this. 531 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,320 And it just, again, it made it a lot easier. 532 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,680 So transition was rough, but again, the compelling part was 533 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,600 listening to other pastors say, I'm not making disciples 534 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,120 essentially outside of the context of my church life. 535 00:25:58,120 --> 00:25:58,960 And I'm going- 536 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:06,120 When you've served God and you've had some experience 537 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:11,760 serving God, you hear a lot of ideas and you read literature, 538 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,240 you read books, you hear a lot of ideas. 539 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,240 And I love when people are excited about the way 540 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,800 that they're doing ministry. 541 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,240 They love the way that they're doing ministry, 542 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:38,120 but I don't like it when they position it as their way 543 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,160 is the correct way to do ministry. 544 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,160 I had never felt that starting small and staying small 545 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,520 was the correct way to do ministry. 546 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,640 I've never felt that. 547 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,640 For me, I mean, for me for sure, because when I wake up 548 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,560 and pray in the morning, if you know God 549 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,480 and you are his word, I got my Bible, right? 550 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,480 If you're reading his word, if you're praying every morning 551 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,000 and asking the Holy Spirit to guide you, 552 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,760 he will show you what you're supposed to do with your life. 553 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,360 I've always felt that, but it never got to the place 554 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:23,360 where I thought, well, this is a better way to do it 555 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,440 or the correct way to do it. 556 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,440 I never got there in my thinking, not one time. 557 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,920 I think all makes and models of ministry, 558 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,760 I think they have strengths and weaknesses. 559 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,760 And I think a humble person realizes the difference. 560 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,480 And there are strengths and weaknesses. 561 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,680 I will say, and when I started this newest part of my life, 562 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:02,080 four or five years ago now, I did not realize 563 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,960 how many people felt the same way. 564 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,880 I didn't realize it. 565 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,640 I wasn't even aware, dude. 566 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,640 I thought I was just, I don't know what I thought. 567 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,640 But one of the beautiful things of that has been 568 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,000 that there is community if you want it. 569 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,920 You do have to seek it out. 570 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,760 You do have to be a part of it. 571 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,480 You do have to seek it out. 572 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,880 You do have to make it a priority in your life. 573 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,960 But there are, and I guess I just didn't know that. 574 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,520 I didn't know that there was this kind of this grassroots 575 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,840 thing that I'm sure you've encountered this 576 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,200 because the more you get into like, 577 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,200 hey dude, let's just teach, let's have Bible study 578 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,200 with four dudes at a brewery or this campground. 579 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,200 When you really lean into that, 580 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,160 can you talk a little bit about how refreshing it has felt 581 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,400 for God to use you in the way that you're ministering now 582 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,200 and people you've been able to meet? 583 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,440 Yeah, I mean, I always say like, 584 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,480 dude, if you're a relational person, man, 585 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,520 you can do so much for the kingdom. 586 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,120 And I would say pretty much everyone I know is relational. 587 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,840 So even if you're like a crazy introvert, 588 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,400 like I don't like people and I wanna be around people, 589 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,040 you know that you can still connect and you've got a gift. 590 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,000 God gives you favor and different things. 591 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,720 And so that's why I would say like, 592 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,400 identifying who you have favor with. 593 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,640 And so if you're a guy, you probably have favor with men. 594 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,200 If you're a chick, you probably got some favor 595 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,760 with other women and you know, 596 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,840 sports then you've got favor with people that like sports. 597 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,560 And if you, you know, that's who you got favor with. 598 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,560 I mean, God gives you favor with people in your likeness. 599 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,960 And so in all that, like, you know, 600 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,640 the lifestyle that we live is conducive to people 601 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,800 that are trying to usually, 602 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,120 they can be like you're escaping your current reality 603 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,360 to get out in the middle of nowhere to just like, 604 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,720 you know, experience nature or whatever. 605 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,080 And so for a lot of the campers, that's kind of what we see. 606 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,560 And it's like the old timers, which, you know, 607 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:28,560 it's in the RV world, it's grown 225% in the last two years. 608 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,760 Like that's such a rapid growth for the amount of people 609 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,400 that are living this lifestyle. 610 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,640 Like they're looking for community too. 611 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,320 You can always tell someone that wants to talk 612 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,040 because they'll be outside their camper most of the day. 613 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,640 And then you walk by and say, hey, 614 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,240 and then they kind of turn and they can position 615 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,280 just their physical posture towards you. 616 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,240 And they're just looking at the conversation, 617 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,480 like just to ask the question, how are you doing? 618 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,520 You know, to hear a story. 619 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,120 And so that's been a lot of what our ministry is. 620 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,200 Like, you know, just taking the dogs on a walk 621 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,840 or going to the park and seeing other kids play 622 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,280 and, you know, meeting other parents 623 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,840 and inviting people over for fire 624 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,000 or, you know, just to sit around and have s'mores 625 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,640 or do whatever, like it's just all invitation. 626 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,640 And so then the people that you meet, you know, 627 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,560 you're quick to ask questions or, 628 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,000 and then they get to hear your story. 629 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,040 And for us, like our stories are all based around 630 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,360 what God has been doing in our life, 631 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,640 whether it's today, yesterday, this year, 632 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,320 like we're gonna share what we know God is doing. 633 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,000 And that's the art of being a good storyteller. 634 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000 You know, I can tell you a thousand different things 635 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,920 that I'm doing, but if I could say, 636 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,640 hey, God has been doing this in my life, 637 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,240 well, now people are starting to look at the author 638 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,120 and they don't even know who the author is. 639 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,160 And so I'm not just the storyteller anymore right now, 640 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,120 I'm actually talking to, you know, people about the author. 641 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,560 Anyway, that's kind of like where we kind of start 642 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,480 and, you know, it leads to great discussions 643 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,480 and people ask a lot of questions 644 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,800 of how can you be a pastor if you live in a trailer 645 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,640 and have no location? 646 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,880 And then we get to answer those questions of like, 647 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,560 well, you know, maybe being a pastor, you know, 648 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,400 isn't it being the guest? 649 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,880 I was speaking upfront on Sundays, you know, 650 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,400 maybe there's a lot more to that. 651 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,240 So unpacking that. 652 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,240 Yeah, one of the benefits of having traveled, 653 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,760 I've traveled quite a bit, 654 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,560 the three most populated countries in the world, 655 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,560 China, India and Indonesia, for the most part, 656 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,040 none of those countries and cultures have church buildings 657 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,280 and the church is doing great. 658 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:30,120 It's doing great. 659 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,760 Problem is, is us American pastors, 660 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,680 we don't always do the best job of learning from 661 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,320 people that aren't Americans. 662 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,520 I mean, God forbid that we go learn from an Indian pastor 663 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,760 or God forbid we go learn from a Chinese pastor 664 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,280 or God forbid we go learn from an Indonesian pastor, 665 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,000 which I'm gonna do next year. 666 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,160 I'm not going there to teach, I'm going there to learn. 667 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,320 I mean, you know, so it has to do with like, you know, 668 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,320 but tell us about gathering and nomads, 669 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,440 you know, what it is you're doing. 670 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,440 Yeah. 671 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,560 And how you're doing it. 672 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,400 Yeah, so in short, like, I would say this, 673 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,200 like we never wanted to call it anything. 674 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,160 Like we just were just gonna be like missionaries and stuff. 675 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,360 And we were just gonna go, 676 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,440 because we knew what God called us to do. 677 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,000 And God began revealing like, hey, 678 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,880 if you're gonna do this, like, 679 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,360 you can't just focus on what it is that you're doing 680 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,600 for the sake of you. 681 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,200 Like you gotta seek first my kingdom. 682 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,000 And so that might mean thinking about the next generation 683 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,640 of disciples and the next generation of people 684 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,440 that are gonna do it too. 685 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,160 And so after meeting with you and some other people, 686 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,160 like just ask those questions, 687 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,960 what does it look like to create a network of things? 688 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,000 And so there's kind of a two part series, 689 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,960 if you wanna call it that, that God started working on. 690 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,440 So the first one was Shane, Sarah, the Boyd family, 691 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,560 like y'all are gonna be missionaries to the RV world. 692 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,840 Okay, so what does that look like? 693 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,680 Wow. 694 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,200 And then the second part was, by the way, 695 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,000 Kelso build a network of other people. 696 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,840 So that way the other people that are called into it 697 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,000 still have koinonia, 698 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,080 like they still need fellowship and community on the road. 699 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,360 So how do you figure out how you bridge 700 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,800 those two things together 701 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,280 and can they work simultaneously? 702 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,040 So we had to come up with a name. 703 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,080 So Gathering Nomads was the name. 704 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,040 I like most of it, it's more action driven. 705 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:25,880 That's what we're doing. 706 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,400 People that live like nomads. 707 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,000 And so we are the Gathering Nomads, right? 708 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,240 Let's just make it simple. 709 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,760 I think kind of similar to ocean water, right? 710 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,240 Like, hey, let's just keep it simple. 711 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:35,480 So everything's around ocean water 712 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,720 and so let's keep it simple, right? 713 00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:39,200 Yeah. 714 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,880 And so we didn't wanna call ourselves a church. 715 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,560 We didn't wanna have a bunch of sprinkled in names 716 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,040 that had a lot of preconceived notions to it. 717 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,040 And so the church and they think of, 718 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,680 what time is your service? 719 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,720 What's your children's ministry? 720 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:55,320 What's your youth ministry? 721 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,840 I mean, there's all the questions that go with it. 722 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,280 So we said, okay, we wanna do that then. 723 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,240 Let's just call ourselves a missionary. 724 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,200 But we'll be like the first chapter. 725 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,920 And that kind of then spurred on the conversation of chapters. 726 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,080 Okay, so what if we just all called ourselves chapters 727 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,720 instead of all missionaries? 728 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:13,000 And so in the organization, 729 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,600 we call ourselves the Boyd chapter. 730 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,520 It's our last name. 731 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,800 And then we just call ourselves chapters 732 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,160 because we're all gathering nomadic people for the kingdom. 733 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,960 And so in that, so we've got, 734 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,800 that's what we call it. 735 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,600 We call it all the chapters that are out in the world 736 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,920 doing the same exact thing that we're doing 737 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,040 that live full time in RVs. 738 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,520 And essentially we answer the question, 739 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,800 how will we fulfill the great commission 740 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,880 through the gift that God has given us? 741 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,360 So instead of me telling people what to do, 742 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,440 we're leaning heavily on what scripture says 743 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,640 they should be doing and their gift mix. 744 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,760 And we kind of lean on the apest understanding of that 745 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,520 and Ephesians four. 746 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,440 And so we just look at Ephesians four 747 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,840 and then we answer the question, how are we gonna do that? 748 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,920 Fulfill the great commission, Matthew 28, 20. 749 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,160 How do we stay focused, Matthew 6, 33? 750 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,440 And knowing that it's not always up to us, Acts 1, 8, 751 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,440 like you're gonna receive power 752 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,040 when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. 753 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,000 And then you'll be my witnesses into Jesus, Mary, 754 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:07,840 and to the ends of the earth. 755 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,560 And so knowing that that's the focus all the time 756 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,280 and that God is going to work through you 757 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,680 because of your yes and your obedience, 758 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,480 that you don't have to be the guy teaching, 759 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,240 you don't need to be the prophetic guy 760 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:22,840 who's also getting all these words, 761 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,280 or you're not being an evangelist all the time. 762 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,800 You're not always having to be 763 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,960 an apostolic visionary person, whatever that may look like. 764 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,560 We teach people that they need 765 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,800 to fulfill the great commission. 766 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,800 Well, the goal is not always disciples making disciples 767 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,840 and churches planting churches, 768 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,760 even if you don't use those terms. 769 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,960 And so I love what you've done 770 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,960 because there's been one instance that I can speak from. 771 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,240 Adam Watson and I, 772 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:03,240 Adam's a three-striped black belt in Jiu-Jitsu. 773 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,680 And for years, he's been asked to go to Camp Pendleton, 774 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,640 which is a 55,000 person Marine base 775 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,680 right next to San Clemente to train, 776 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,040 he'll speak, he'll train different guys. 777 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,120 And they have a lot of them come to his gym. 778 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:30,000 And two years ago, we were asked by the chaplain 779 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,200 at Camp Pendleton to come onto the base 780 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,080 to be volunteer chaplains. 781 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,320 And Adam and I were like, 782 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,120 well, how do we start a church 783 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,040 for people that don't wanna be called disciples 784 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,960 and don't wanna be called churches? 785 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,080 Using the thing that you're great at, 786 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,880 that they will respect. 787 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,880 You have 55,000, and I think it's 54,000 men 788 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,560 or 50,000 men, there's not a lot of women on Camp Pendleton. 789 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,640 And it's all about who's the biggest, who's the baddest. 790 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,880 So Adam got asked to train 30 guys one day in a workshop. 791 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,040 And Adam's, he's about five, nine. 792 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,080 If you don't, he looks like you could fight him, 793 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,120 but they don't understand. 794 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,720 He's like, he's a technician. 795 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:32,720 Yeah, I mean, so he had 27 Marines lined up to fight him. 796 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,840 Because somebody said, oh, I can kick that guy out. 797 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,720 And he said, well, you know, 798 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:45,440 because somebody said, oh, I can kick your ass, 799 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,400 and you know how guys are. 800 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,400 And in one by one, he submitted 27 in a row. 801 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:59,920 And after that, word spread on Camp Pendleton, 802 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:04,920 hey, there's a guy in town and nobody can beat up, basically. 803 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,840 He used to be a professional fighter as well. 804 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,160 So he actually knows how to fight. 805 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:14,160 And so myself and the chaplain and Adam 806 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,520 were joking around about this. 807 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,680 How are we gonna start this church? 808 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,920 And so we came up with the name Grapple Chapel. 809 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,840 And Adam leaves it and Adam shows up 810 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,200 and they do Jiu-Jitsu for two hours. 811 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,680 And then he has a Bible study after. 812 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,280 Every single time, every single time, 813 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,360 there's a few to sometimes upwards of 20 guys. 814 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,760 And the level of sharing that happens 815 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,640 and the level of community that happens 816 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,440 after you fought for two hours, 817 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,760 and then people crack a beer 818 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,920 and start talking about what's really going on in your life. 819 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,040 Well, what's really going on in your life 820 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,360 is men don't trust each other. 821 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,240 So let's talk about that. 822 00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:07,560 Let's talk about why we as men don't trust each other. 823 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,680 And the average guy not only doesn't trust one other man, 824 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,640 the average guy doesn't have one other man he looks up to. 825 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,800 Whoa. 826 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,800 Now, we call it Grapple Chapel and chaplains 827 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,400 and that's what you're doing well 828 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,400 is you're using the right, 829 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,200 you're not using language that trips people up. 830 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,120 A lot of times we're using language 831 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,440 and all it's doing is making it difficult 832 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,400 for people to understand what it is 833 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,880 we're trying to tell them. 834 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,800 And I wanna tell you something, 835 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,800 you have the best content, you got the Bible, 836 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,280 you have an amazing culture, dude. 837 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,160 You have an amazing culture, 838 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,840 what you've chosen to do with your life, 839 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,440 with your wife and your kids. 840 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,440 Your culture of RVing is unbelievable 841 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,320 and you have contacts. 842 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,560 You've got contacts all over the country 843 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,000 and I just wanna say, keep going, bro. 844 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,640 Like, bro, your content, the Bible, 845 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,520 your culture is amazing. 846 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,800 You're inviting people into it. 847 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,840 I mean, I don't think, 848 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,840 you haven't been doing this for a year, have you? 849 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,720 Nope, technically the vision came in in October 850 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:35,400 and January and so we're seven months in. 851 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,800 So you're out doing your thing 852 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,920 and what have you seen God do? 853 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,840 I mean, the last time I talked to you, 854 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,640 there had been a half a dozen or a dozen people 855 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,360 that you had interacted with in this short amount of time 856 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,080 that were basically like, dude, I wanna be in your tribe. 857 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,760 I wanna be in your tribe. 858 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,640 And I will say this, man. 859 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,560 I mean, the wonder of social media is great, right? 860 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,080 We use, I'm never good at it, 861 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,120 but I've been able to network 862 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,800 and that's really because we live kind of like a nomad, 863 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,120 right, that's the idea. 864 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,080 And so staying connected, 865 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,120 Paul wrote letters to the churches, right? 866 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,760 He wrote letters and we have those documented letters 867 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,560 and so how much easier does it now? 868 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,800 We don't have to send even snail mail. 869 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,920 We get to go email and then we'd have to go to Zoom 870 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,880 or we have Facebook or Instagram. 871 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,920 The great thing is we have these platforms to connect 872 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,000 and so there's a number of people that we connected with 873 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,640 early on that were interested, 874 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,200 but again, we're hung up on the method, right? 875 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,080 They were married to the method. 876 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,320 They go, well, I haven't gone to church 877 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,040 in X amount of years and specifically, 878 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,680 and there's one of the first people we met, 879 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,440 this was probably, I'm gonna go ahead and say 880 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,960 it was September last year. 881 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,360 This lady named Dee, she goes, 882 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,200 I've been full time in for the last seven years 883 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,760 and I haven't been to church in seven years. 884 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,200 Haven't had church, I watched church online 885 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,640 and it's just not the same thing. 886 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,560 And then COVID made it worse. 887 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,440 And I was like, I don't know how COVID made it worse, 888 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,280 you weren't going to church. 889 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,160 She goes, no, but then all the online content, 890 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,960 they were trying to make it towards people sitting at home 891 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,440 and I just didn't know how to interact with people online 892 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,400 and they wanted us to answer questions through chats 893 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,600 and she goes, it just wasn't, 894 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,400 online church just became weird for her at that point. 895 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,560 Because she knew what she was watching, 896 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,560 but then all of a sudden people were engaging with her 897 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,200 and we had to play with her and she talked with us 898 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,760 about all these different things that she's experienced 899 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,720 and in her church hurt and why she didn't attend. 900 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,600 And she goes, I just would say start off 901 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,160 by calling yourself a chaplain 902 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,080 because I didn't know you were a pastor 903 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,960 until about 40 minutes into our conversation 904 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,360 and it's the only reason I was able to open up. 905 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,640 As soon as I found out you were a pastor, 906 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,240 I didn't want to talk to you anymore. 907 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:50,400 And I go, whoa, man, that kind of hurt, 908 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,560 that stung a little bit. 909 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,720 And so ever since I've introduced myself as a chaplain, 910 00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:58,120 I don't really ever introduce myself as a pastor anymore. 911 00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:03,360 And in that, that kind of inspired 912 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,120 some of the method shift for sure of, 913 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,400 all right, I'm not gonna function in this pastor mentality, 914 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,080 I need to disconnect from that. 915 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,760 And so since then, the reason why we've had people 916 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,760 joining our tribe is that I'm not inviting them 917 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,880 to become a pastor, right? 918 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,880 Because then their stigmas on the introduction isn't, 919 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,480 well, that means I have to go get a degree, 920 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,320 I've got to go to college, 921 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,960 I got to get a minor degree. 922 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,840 It's on Sunday, I have to get in front of everybody, 923 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,600 I'm not a big public speaker person, 924 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:30,920 I don't want to run a staff, 925 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,000 I don't want to have to run an organization. 926 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,280 And so having a conversation of, 927 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,400 well, do you want to just be a person who follows Jesus 928 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,520 and then invites other people to do the same thing? 929 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,160 How does that sound? 930 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,280 And people are, I mean, they love it. 931 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,200 They're excited to go serve Jesus, 932 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,320 but to know that they can get a title, 933 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,000 that doesn't mean all these other things 934 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,640 that they can come up with, right? 935 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,840 And in that, that they're first and foremost, 936 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,080 they answer to Jesus, 937 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,880 they don't even technically even answer to me. 938 00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,400 They have to answer some questions for me 939 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:00,600 every single month. 940 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,680 But again, even that, 941 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,080 and so right now we have seven chapters, 942 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,080 we've got three more chapters in the works. 943 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,040 That should be essentially official chapters 944 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,920 in the next month or two. 945 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,240 And what I love about it is that they are on fire for Jesus 946 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:17,680 and they are answering first and foremost to Him. 947 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,320 And which is great because they're not riding my tail 948 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,520 or my flame or my excitement for the Lord 949 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,120 or what God is doing in me first and foremost. 950 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,040 They have to have weekly God stories, 951 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,400 like weekly God stories. 952 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,120 Not just like having a God story once a year, 953 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,480 but if you don't have bold enough faith, 954 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,960 where is it at? 955 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,320 And that's your faith, not my faith, right? 956 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,600 That's not your Testament, 957 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,080 that's just what God is asking you to do. 958 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,680 And so those are the questions that we get to ask 959 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,000 and we get to answer those things. 960 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,640 And it's not that you have to answer to me, 961 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:50,920 it's just that's what we should have. 962 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,280 We should have bold faith stories 963 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,840 every single week in our life. 964 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,760 Amazing, dude. 965 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:57,600 I mean, 966 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,880 yeah, I just see God just all over what you're doing. 967 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,320 It's awesome to watch. 968 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:16,320 It's awesome to see the fruit of you taking a lot of risk. 969 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,600 And let's talk about the, it's incredible. 970 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,440 And I've told you before, 971 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,120 there are just so many people that want to be a part 972 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,560 of what you're talking about. 973 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,560 And I'm really, I pray for you, 974 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,280 I prayed for you this morning. 975 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,360 I'm stoked for you. 976 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,160 And let's talk for a second about like, okay, 977 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,920 what does like a normal day look like? 978 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,400 I'll speak for myself. 979 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,400 I mean, I'm a special education teacher at a public school. 980 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,040 I don't, obviously I don't introduce myself as Pastor Ryan 981 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:02,040 unless I never really called myself that 982 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,320 when I was in those settings anyways. 983 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,160 Yeah. 984 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,400 Because I felt like it made people feel uncomfortable 985 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,400 or maybe I just felt uncomfortable, who knows? 986 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,480 But here's an example. 987 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,920 I've been at the school now for a few months 988 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,560 and the guy that I'm teaching with, 989 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,560 he comes up to me last week and he goes, 990 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,560 he goes, are you a man of faith? 991 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,600 I go, yeah, yeah, definitely, bro. 992 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,920 And he's like, I go, are you? 993 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,760 He goes, yeah, I'm kind of like, as I'm getting older, 994 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,200 am I thinking about God more? 995 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,200 And I go, that's awesome. 996 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,400 He's working in your life and making you think about that. 997 00:47:55,400 --> 00:48:00,400 And now every day we're becoming better friends. 998 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,800 He asked me to go certain with him and his daughter 999 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,840 and my granddaughter. 1000 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,120 And you could just see how God's just working 1001 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,240 through this pressure. 1002 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:23,240 I mean, it took me like probably five months 1003 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:28,120 of just being his friend and working hard 1004 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,160 and showing up five minutes early to work 1005 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:36,160 and just basic work ethic stuff. 1006 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:41,520 Yeah, just basic show up early, leave late, 1007 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,000 you leave late, just basic working hard, 1008 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,200 being a team guy, all where you kind of like people's walls. 1009 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,840 That's one example of someone who has really opened up to me 1010 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,560 that I feel like I'm making a difference in their life. 1011 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,760 The office manager also told me that she's like, 1012 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,960 so glad, just a lot of like compliments. 1013 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,720 I feel like when you're doing like, 1014 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,080 when you're trying to make disciples and raise people 1015 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,160 that people may wonder about like the day to day, 1016 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,160 for me, it's just like, just being a good dude 1017 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,160 and teaching good and being fun and being courteous. 1018 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,680 I mean, can you talk a little bit about that? 1019 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,960 Because I just feel like there are misconceptions 1020 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,320 about what it means to do ministry. 1021 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,040 Well, dude, I mean, number one, like you think about, 1022 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,320 we think about stuff as jobs all the time 1023 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,560 and it all comes back down to the calling. 1024 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:43,480 Like you have a job, right? 1025 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,080 As a teacher, like you have a literal job 1026 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,360 that you have to get done, you know, Monday through Friday, 1027 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:50,640 you know, whatever your schedule is, 1028 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,800 like you know what your job is, you have to teach, 1029 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,160 you have to write curriculum, whatever that may look like. 1030 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,440 And I say that more in the bulk of what teachers do 1031 00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,000 that may not be exactly what you're doing. 1032 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,000 But in the reality of it, like in the reality of jobs, 1033 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,320 for most of the people that are, you know, in the world, 1034 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,800 they have a Monday through Friday to five job 1035 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,360 or whatever their set schedule is. 1036 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,440 And so they have a task at hand. 1037 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,200 But ministry specifically, it comes less of the job 1038 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,120 and more of the opportunity. 1039 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:21,120 And I think you have to seek out the opportunity, right? 1040 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,600 And so that's kind of, I mean, the question 1041 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,240 that I'm asking myself pretty much all day long is, 1042 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,920 okay, God, are you giving me an opportunity here? 1043 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,240 And again, that's not for me, that's not for me to do my job, 1044 00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:33,520 that's not because I need to report back to somebody, 1045 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,360 that's like, is this, and the reason why I quote Matthew 6.33 1046 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,520 so often is seeking first, you know, seek first his kingdom 1047 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,240 and everything else will be added unto you. 1048 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,840 Like quite literally that what Jesus is talking about 1049 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,440 in that verse is like, you are worried about so much, 1050 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,400 but stop, seek first the kingdom and everything else. 1051 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:51,800 Read is like, it's gonna come towards you. 1052 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,920 Like, it doesn't even have to worry about these things. 1053 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,000 And so, you know, for me, I have to constantly remember 1054 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,200 that like, God, are you giving me an opportunity here 1055 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,520 for your kingdom? 1056 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:03,360 You know, it's not my job. 1057 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,520 Like if anyone's my boss at this point, it's just Jesus. 1058 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:07,880 And I'm grateful for that. 1059 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,520 So, you know, talking about like your friend, you know, 1060 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,200 either person, your coworker, the guy you're teaching with, 1061 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,560 but I could share probably a hundred different stories 1062 00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,040 of people that we've even met. 1063 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,880 God's given us some sort of favor, some sort of opportunity, 1064 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,840 but I will share at least, I'll just share about 1065 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,560 a couple of people, a couple of families that we met 1066 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,680 in Tennessee and Kentucky. 1067 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,920 And we pulled into a campground. 1068 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,160 I was supposed to pull into a spot. 1069 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,000 I was eyeballing this one spot 1070 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,680 and I thought I was gonna take it. 1071 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,240 And something told me like, 1072 00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:39,360 now you gotta go park up a little further. 1073 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,920 And I mean, the two sites that we're looking at 1074 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:41,760 were identical. 1075 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,320 So there's no reason why I needed to choose. 1076 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,760 I could have just backed in that one and called it a day. 1077 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,120 And come to find out, you know, less than 24 hours later, 1078 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,000 there's gonna be a couple pulling in with five kids 1079 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,320 that were gonna need some help with some electrical 1080 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,320 on their electrical box. 1081 00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,760 And I just happened to be popping out, right? 1082 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,720 When they were backing in and then in that, 1083 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:04,040 I was with another family and then two other families. 1084 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,840 And so in that one moment, 1085 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,480 to at this point, three other families, all with kids. 1086 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,680 And three days later, we were having a Bible study 1087 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,920 in their tent and talking about Jesus, 1088 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,560 praying healing and reconciliation 1089 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,960 over one of the couple's marriages. 1090 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,040 And God just began, I mean, speaking 1091 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,320 in all these various ways. 1092 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,480 And fast forward and make it again, 1093 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,960 I could share all the different fellowship 1094 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,360 within that timeframe. 1095 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,360 But then fast forward three weeks later, 1096 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,160 we had to leave, because where we stay, 1097 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,960 we only stay for 21 days. 1098 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,640 And as we were leaving, the couple said, 1099 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,440 and one of the couple that we've been praying over, 1100 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,960 they said, hey, I think we might follow you guys 1101 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,640 to the next spot. 1102 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,880 And so they followed us up to the next spot into Kentucky. 1103 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,280 And then another family followed us up to Kentucky. 1104 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,080 And we had even more of those moments of fellowship 1105 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,880 and just so much like favor within, 1106 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,760 at that point, six weeks time, 1107 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,400 we had spent so many evenings together praying, 1108 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,680 movie nights, celebrated birthdays for kids. 1109 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,400 Like it just was that real nitty gritty thing. 1110 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,960 And at the end of our time together, 1111 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,400 one of the couples walks up and just said, 1112 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,160 we really love Jesus and everything 1113 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,640 that you've been showing us, we wanna do it too. 1114 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,280 Like, what does that look like? 1115 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,520 And I not even talked about Gathering Nomads 1116 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,720 to any extent, really at this point with them. 1117 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,480 We were just doing life together. 1118 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,720 And so they're a chapter with Gathering Nomads right now. 1119 00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:37,600 And when I say like they love Jesus, 1120 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,360 it's those types of stories of just like, 1121 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,640 man, if you just had bold faith for three weeks 1122 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,840 with someone, would God give you another three weeks 1123 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,440 and then allow someone else, I wanna do that too. 1124 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,200 Like I wanna do what you're doing for Jesus. 1125 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,960 And that's encouraging to me 1126 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,440 because I don't think I'm doing anything special, 1127 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,080 I'm just doing what God told me to do. 1128 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,480 But the reality is that the kingdom had everything 1129 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,760 to benefit from that, like I gained nothing from that. 1130 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,880 Like no benefit at all. 1131 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,080 But what the kingdom gains, what Jesus gains from that 1132 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,760 is now a whole set of hands, husband and wife, 1133 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,360 and two kids that are gonna chase after Jesus 1134 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,920 with everything they have. 1135 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,760 And that's what we should be after, right? 1136 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,880 And so anyway, that's what I'm hoping. 1137 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,240 Yeah, no, I'm 100%. 1138 00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:26,800 And I love how, I mean, what I heard from you 1139 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,120 is like just being someone's friend, 1140 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,680 just like being there for them and making a connection 1141 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,760 and just being there for people. 1142 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,760 I had, in 2010, I went, I rode my bicycle for a year 1143 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,040 and I wrote a little travel book 1144 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,920 that you can read in about, I don't know, 1145 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,320 90 minutes or two hours or whatever. 1146 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,320 And I don't really pass them out much, 1147 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:00,280 it's like not my thing. 1148 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,000 I've had people be like, 1149 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,040 you need to go down to the bookstore. 1150 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,280 I'm like, that's not me, bro. 1151 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,360 Like that's not anybody who knows me and it's not me. 1152 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:13,360 I do have like a box, I don't have any more. 1153 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,720 And every once in a while, 1154 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:19,640 I will feel like I'm supposed to give one to someone. 1155 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,160 And it kind of comes in ways, 1156 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,120 like it'll happen a bunch and then, 1157 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,520 well, it had probably been, I don't know, 1158 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,880 like eight months since I'd given anybody one. 1159 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:35,880 And yesterday, I'm thinking about the guy that I work with 1160 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,280 and I really felt like, 1161 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,880 hey, you need to give this to Todd 1162 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,440 because we've been talking about surfing 1163 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,080 and he's like super into motorcycles. 1164 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,240 And this past weekend, he rode two days in a row 1165 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,360 and he's like, I just, it had been years 1166 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,600 and we were talking about bikes and motorbikes 1167 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,120 and surfing and being outside. 1168 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,920 And I thought, all right, 1169 00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:01,280 I need to like give this to him. 1170 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,920 So on the back, it talks about 1171 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,600 some of the water work we've done in El Salvador. 1172 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,000 I gave it to him today and he's like, 1173 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,360 he goes, dude, this guy that I've known, 1174 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,840 one of my closest friends for like 20 years 1175 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,440 is from El Salvador. 1176 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,440 And he's like, thank you so much for helping those people. 1177 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,480 And I was like, yeah bro, no problem. 1178 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,440 So that, when stuff like that, 1179 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,840 when you see God working in people's lives, 1180 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,840 like the way you are, that's like what it's all about. 1181 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:43,680 Yeah. 1182 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,040 It's so, it's so, because yeah, I mean, 1183 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,920 you're a really sharp guy and I know you have a lot of 1184 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,920 you have a vision for ministry and that's exciting, 1185 00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,160 but like the heart of it is this stuff. 1186 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,000 Yeah. 1187 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:01,840 That we're talking about. 1188 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,280 It's just like, wow, that was like, that was awesome. 1189 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,120 Yeah. 1190 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,800 To just see, to just see God use that little gesture. 1191 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,160 And you like went and helped this family 1192 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,240 with their electrical panel 1193 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,240 and it turned into this huge friendship. 1194 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,160 And it's awesome. 1195 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,440 It's exciting. 1196 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,440 And we need, we need more of, 1197 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,320 we need more people to feel like they can be used 1198 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:35,320 just by God to teach people about him wherever they're at, 1199 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,720 wherever they're at, whether they're in a classroom 1200 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,840 or in a campground or wherever. 1201 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:45,880 Well, I think that's the- 1202 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:47,240 I feel a lot of hope. 1203 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:48,800 I feel a lot of hope when I hear you, 1204 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,040 when I hear you share it, but it's awesome. 1205 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,760 Well, I think that's, I mean, that's the, 1206 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,920 that's the vision really for, I would say that, 1207 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,360 that all of us have to catch onto really. 1208 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:00,680 Again, it's not our vision. 1209 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,440 It's not, you know, it's not using them. 1210 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,440 It's just the fact that God is calling people out of whatever, 1211 00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,160 whatever it is that they're doing and into seeking first. 1212 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,040 And if we can do that, you can do that. 1213 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,000 You don't have to give up your job. 1214 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:16,840 You don't have to give up your title. 1215 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,760 You don't have to leave and sell all your stuff 1216 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:19,600 and live in an RV. 1217 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,840 Like, you don't, those are the things that you don't have to do. 1218 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,160 You could or you could not. 1219 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,080 Yeah, you could, but like, you've got to, 1220 00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,520 you've already been given favor in your workplace. 1221 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,880 You've already been given favor in so many places. 1222 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,840 And so I just always tell people, man, 1223 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,680 start with your hobbies and the things that bring joy 1224 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,480 to your life or bring it back to your roots. 1225 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:39,440 Like, Ryan, for you, it's surfing. 1226 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,800 For us, it's camping. 1227 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,520 For some people, it's going to be riding bikes. 1228 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,760 And for some people, it's going to be going to sport games. 1229 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,880 Like, there are so many things that people do 1230 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,800 that they have no idea that God's given them a passion for. 1231 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,680 And he's given you favor within that community. 1232 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,120 And so if you could just seek first the kingdom 1233 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,320 and know that you've got favor 1234 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,320 in all these other sub-communities, 1235 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,040 like bro, you could blow up the kingdom tomorrow. 1236 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,200 And that's that. 1237 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,720 Yeah, 100%. 1238 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:05,640 Yeah. 1239 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:06,480 Yeah. 1240 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:13,120 This has been so much fun. 1241 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:18,120 Well, definitely, you and I can, we just jive, man. 1242 00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:19,760 Episode two. 1243 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:24,760 How can people find out about what you're doing? 1244 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,640 Do you have like, somewhere people can find out information 1245 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,040 about gathering of nomads? 1246 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,240 You can just find my air tag and follow me around the world. 1247 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:38,240 No, we do have a website, even though we're super hokey, 1248 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,520 living in a travel trailer and stuff. 1249 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,080 But now we have a website, it's called gatheringnomads.com. 1250 00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,000 You can check that out. 1251 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,440 It's kind of got some good little, 1252 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,440 a cool little video about what we're doing. 1253 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,200 And you can also meet the other chapters. 1254 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,040 Like, again, we just call ourselves chapters 1255 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,280 and you can hear their stories and what they're doing. 1256 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,760 It's, they're so cool. 1257 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,320 Like the people that are doing this, 1258 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,880 like with us are some of the raddest people you'll ever meet. 1259 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,400 And so you can check that out. 1260 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,640 You can follow their social media 1261 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,920 and the stuff that they're doing. 1262 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,000 Yeah, you can check that out. 1263 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,600 And then, we always tell people like, 1264 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,560 if you wanna pray for us and what you're doing, 1265 01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:16,960 you can join our little newsletter 1266 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,400 and just pray for all the different things 1267 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,240 that are happening on the road. 1268 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,000 Cause there's a bunch of, 1269 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,080 I mean, there's millions of people 1270 01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,520 that live in travel trailers and vans 1271 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:25,520 and stuff across the US. 1272 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,760 So lots to be praying for. 1273 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,280 Pray for Shane, get involved. 1274 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:36,360 This has been awesome, man. 1275 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:37,920 Thank you for doing this. 1276 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:38,920 Yeah. 1277 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,360 Dude, episode 254, man. 1278 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:42,200 I'll tell you right now, 1279 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:46,080 54 specifically is a number that's been in my life forever. 1280 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,880 And so I feel blessed that, I don't know, 1281 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:53,240 just always been like constant numbers, time, 1282 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,520 just the time 54 comes up a lot. 1283 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:57,640 Talked to my wife, I'm always like, 1284 01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:58,920 I hope I'm not dying at 54. 1285 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,960 I don't die in the year 2054, I have no idea. 1286 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,520 But it's just been a number, dude. 1287 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,280 And so I saw that episode number, 1288 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,200 I'm like, okay, God, there's that number again. 1289 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,120 Yeah, you like my fancy graphic in the background. 1290 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:13,120 It's like. 1291 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:16,760 Bro, it's fitting. 1292 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:17,600 I like it. 1293 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,360 It is exactly what is needed. 1294 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,680 Also, I just, I feel honored to be on 1295 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:22,960 one of your episodes, bro. 1296 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:29,320 I just like, there's two things I enjoy. 1297 01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,720 I enjoy teaching the Bible. 1298 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,880 I enjoy talking to my friends. 1299 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,120 And I feel like people need the Bible 1300 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:39,880 and they need friends. 1301 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,400 And so that's why I do Bible teachings 1302 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,760 and I like to talk to my friends. 1303 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,920 That's behind it. 1304 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:46,960 I feel like it helps. 1305 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,720 I feel like it helps people. 1306 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,320 And I think, thanks for taking the time 1307 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,720 to talk to me brother. 1308 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,680 Oh man, can I share one last encouraging thing? 1309 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:56,880 Yeah, of course. 1310 01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,240 The one thing I'll say that in 2018, 1311 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,120 I was sitting with Jesus on my back patio. 1312 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,000 I was dealing with crazy depression 1313 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,720 and a high level of panic attacks and anxiety attacks 1314 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,280 that I had no idea what they were. 1315 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,520 I thought I was having many heart attacks left and right. 1316 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,920 And I sat down with Jesus on my patio table 1317 01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,400 and I was probably on hour four 1318 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:18,400 just going through scripture, 1319 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,840 just asking God to speak to me 1320 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,880 because I needed some sort of relief. 1321 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,560 And I'm a fixer and I stumbled upon Colossians 1322 01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,280 and it was in Colossians four 1323 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,320 and specifically in Colossians four. 1324 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:30,160 I don't have any of my notes. 1325 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,320 So I'm just kind of going off memory here. 1326 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,440 Don't shoot if I don't quote scripture correctly here. 1327 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,360 But it says something along the lines of, 1328 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,680 like I didn't come to like, 1329 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,280 just to fulfill the law, but to set you free from it. 1330 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,760 And as I'm reading through this, I'm like, 1331 01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,520 like Jesus is like, that's your law. 1332 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:50,720 And so asking that question 1333 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:51,880 or trying to answer that question of like, 1334 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,720 this is your law. 1335 01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,160 And I'm like, well, what is my law? 1336 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,000 And I realized that my schedule was my law 1337 01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,040 and God set me free from that. 1338 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,920 And so in that one moment, I mean, 1339 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,760 my schedule was set from sunup to sundown. 1340 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:04,800 I knew everything I was doing. 1341 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:05,640 I could share it with anyone. 1342 01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:07,320 You could find out where I was at. 1343 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,400 And I didn't realize how much I was fulfilling my own law, 1344 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,000 which was my schedule. 1345 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,640 And so in that moment, like Jesus set me free from that. 1346 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,920 And so just know that like, no matter what God has called 1347 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,040 you too, or me too, or anyone too, 1348 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,440 like there's a chance that you're in some sort of chains 1349 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,880 that Jesus is trying to set you free from. 1350 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,680 And so just answering that question, 1351 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,640 like I don't know why when you're talking, 1352 01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:33,800 God put that on my heart to share that. 1353 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,760 But if someone's listening to this episode of just like, 1354 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,440 realize that Jesus literally came to set you free. 1355 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,680 And so if you were trapped in some sort of law, 1356 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:43,960 whatever that may be, 1357 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,600 that God came to set you free from it. 1358 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,400 So anyway. 1359 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,680 Good word brother, thank you. 1360 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,400 Got it. 1361 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:54,240 Let's get stuff. 1362 01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:57,440 Gotta do it. 1363 01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:58,440 Yeah. 1364 01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:59,280 Yup. 1365 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,160 All right, Shane, thank you. 1366 01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:02,000 Thanks man. 1367 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:30,000 I'm gonna stop recording.