WEBVTT 00:00:01.560 --> 00:00:04.740 Now, welcome to another inspiring edition of 00:00:04.740 --> 00:00:12.960 Sound Insight with Dr. Tom Curran. Hey, welcome 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:15.160 to the program. Kerry, it's Faith and Family 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:17.339 Friday, and we're going to talk about something 00:00:17.339 --> 00:00:20.859 that I think is pretty cool. It's a quiet revival. 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:25.120 And one way that you could describe it is by 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:28.539 saying a phrase that's not typically a positive 00:00:28.539 --> 00:00:32.340 one. And that phrase is, Standing room only. 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:36.179 Where do you want to have standing room only? 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:40.960 In the Lord's house. Oh, yes. As long as we get 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:44.359 to sit. Right? I actually feel guilty when we're 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:48.460 at Easter Vigil Mass or some big celebration 00:00:48.460 --> 00:00:50.740 Mass, and I'm sitting in my nice suit with my 00:00:50.740 --> 00:00:52.920 kids because we all got there early. And then 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:55.500 you see the family that's standing along the 00:00:55.500 --> 00:00:58.140 wall, and it's a two -hour Mass. And there's 00:00:58.140 --> 00:01:00.890 like a mom there. And I'm thinking, Am I supposed 00:01:00.890 --> 00:01:03.990 to get up and give up my seat? Yes. I am? Is 00:01:03.990 --> 00:01:06.349 the right answer yes? I don't think I've ever 00:01:06.349 --> 00:01:10.290 done that. Maybe I have. Not a lot, though. It's 00:01:10.290 --> 00:01:12.049 pretty humble. Well, today we're going to dig 00:01:12.049 --> 00:01:15.849 into what this phenomenon is of people coming 00:01:15.849 --> 00:01:18.569 back to church. And not just people, but millennials, 00:01:19.030 --> 00:01:23.230 Gen Xers, young adults coming back to the church. 00:01:23.329 --> 00:01:25.650 And what is that all about? Where is that happening? 00:01:25.750 --> 00:01:27.390 Is it happening in the U .S.? Is it happening 00:01:27.390 --> 00:01:29.819 around the world? And then we'll dig into some 00:01:29.819 --> 00:01:32.879 reasons why it's happening. And then I want to 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:36.439 take a historical look and give us a complementary 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:41.260 reason that we should always be praying for regarding 00:01:41.260 --> 00:01:44.760 revival in the church. Because I do believe that 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:48.280 we're in this world where the church is called 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:50.319 to play a part that's bigger than we're playing 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:52.859 right now. And this revival that's happening 00:01:52.859 --> 00:01:56.739 might just be a part of that. Lots to talk about 00:01:56.739 --> 00:01:58.980 today. I'm excited to get started and we will 00:01:58.980 --> 00:02:10.400 in just one minute. Hey, this is Dr. Tom Caron, 00:02:10.419 --> 00:02:13.379 the host of Sound Insight, but also a realtor 00:02:13.379 --> 00:02:17.099 serving wonderful folks like you in the state 00:02:17.099 --> 00:02:19.860 of Washington and in Idaho. I've had the privilege 00:02:19.860 --> 00:02:23.060 and pleasure of helping dozens of families discern 00:02:23.060 --> 00:02:27.719 and find a strategy, a path, and a plan to help 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:29.819 their families find a whole new life in eastern 00:02:29.819 --> 00:02:32.539 Washington and northern Idaho. If I could be 00:02:32.539 --> 00:02:35.199 of service to you in that, I would love to. Please 00:02:35.199 --> 00:02:39.979 reach out. drtomcurran .com, drtomcurran .com. 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:43.360 Okay, let's pray. In the name of the Father, 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.060 and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Heavenly 00:02:46.060 --> 00:02:48.000 Father, in Jesus' holy name, I thank you and 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:50.680 praise you for the good gifts that you pour out 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:52.719 upon our lives. And Lord, I thank you for the 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:55.020 surprises. I thank you for how you surprise us 00:02:55.020 --> 00:02:57.780 in life by having things manifest themselves 00:02:57.780 --> 00:03:00.020 that are clearly not from us and what we do, 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:03.080 but are clearly from you. And so, Lord, I do 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:06.319 pray that we would have the eyes to see and the 00:03:06.319 --> 00:03:09.719 ears to respond, to listen to what it is you 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:12.120 are asking of us through what we talk about today. 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:13.800 We make this prayer, Jesus, in your holy name. 00:03:13.900 --> 00:03:15.539 Amen. Amen. In the name of the Father, and the 00:03:15.539 --> 00:03:18.099 Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Carrie, I was 00:03:18.099 --> 00:03:21.159 talking with... We were at that couple's house. 00:03:21.219 --> 00:03:23.539 We had dinner with two other couples and they 00:03:23.539 --> 00:03:25.219 were mentioning that one of the biggest pains 00:03:25.219 --> 00:03:28.939 in their hearts was kids not going to church 00:03:28.939 --> 00:03:32.379 and kids having kids not getting baptized and 00:03:32.379 --> 00:03:35.199 not being part of the church. And I certainly 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:39.780 have heard about that phenomenon for 25 years, 00:03:39.900 --> 00:03:41.840 30 years in ministry. People would come up to 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:43.699 me and say, what can I do? What more could I 00:03:43.699 --> 00:03:46.900 have done? Well, we're not here to talk about 00:03:46.900 --> 00:03:48.580 that. We're here to talk about something that... 00:03:48.860 --> 00:03:53.199 is a phenomenon. It's a surprising thing that's 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.919 occurring, and you brought a video to me. Yeah, 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:58.099 well, the video is Fox News. It was on a couple 00:03:58.099 --> 00:04:01.080 nights ago, and they were highlighting this parish 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.900 in, is it New Greenwich? Greenwich? Greenwich 00:04:04.900 --> 00:04:08.620 Village in New York. And just seeing that more 00:04:08.620 --> 00:04:10.810 people are joining the Catholic Church. than 00:04:10.810 --> 00:04:13.789 are leaving. And it's not just a small amount. 00:04:13.849 --> 00:04:18.310 They have numbers where 175 ,000 people came 00:04:18.310 --> 00:04:22.930 into the church in 2000, the year 2000. And in 00:04:22.930 --> 00:04:26.649 2020, it was all the way down to 70 ,000. But 00:04:26.649 --> 00:04:31.269 now they're back to near records of 170 ,000. 00:04:31.610 --> 00:04:34.069 So that's a good 100 ,000 people more. And if 00:04:34.069 --> 00:04:36.750 you've noticed that in the classes that they 00:04:36.750 --> 00:04:38.509 have, a lot of more catechumens are standing 00:04:38.509 --> 00:04:42.129 up to go out to the class or teaching they have. 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:45.660 It's evident, and I think we've just been hearing 00:04:45.660 --> 00:04:48.600 this, not just in the Seattle area, but we saw 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:52.160 it here recently. And then just from talking 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:54.199 to some family and friends across the country, 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:58.100 it definitely is happening in greater numbers. 00:04:58.139 --> 00:05:02.819 And I think this news story confirmed that. So 00:05:02.819 --> 00:05:05.019 we just are going to do a deeper dive into why 00:05:05.019 --> 00:05:07.240 that's happening. And I guess you can kind of 00:05:07.240 --> 00:05:10.420 maybe point to the more obvious reasons. I just 00:05:10.420 --> 00:05:13.199 was actually wondering, like, let's specifically 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.220 look at what the details are. And not just Catholic, 00:05:16.259 --> 00:05:17.920 how many are returning to Protestant churches? 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.660 And what kind of Christian churches are they 00:05:20.660 --> 00:05:23.199 returning to? Because it will surprise you. Yeah, 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.740 I learned about some surprising statistics. After 00:05:26.740 --> 00:05:31.439 Pope Leo became Pope, the searches for how to 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:35.959 become Catholic spiked by 373%. That's pretty 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:39.899 cool. Unless it went from 200 searches to 800 00:05:39.899 --> 00:05:42.899 searches, then that's not that impressive. But 00:05:42.899 --> 00:05:46.060 something that I think is closer to your heart 00:05:46.060 --> 00:05:49.540 are Sikh conferences. Yeah, and they did say 00:05:49.540 --> 00:05:52.199 that their attendance was up like 25 % this year, 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:53.620 even though it was in three different locations. 00:05:54.060 --> 00:06:01.100 But the clear tell is that Bible cells, guess 00:06:01.100 --> 00:06:06.699 how much Bible cells have gone up since... I 00:06:06.699 --> 00:06:10.579 don't know, 2019. No idea. Well, they said that 00:06:10.579 --> 00:06:13.040 it has doubled from the numbers they had in 2019, 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:18.300 up 42%. And that it's at a 21 -year high, which 00:06:18.300 --> 00:06:21.639 I think... That's huge. I wonder why. Why would 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:23.860 it go down in 2019? You figure it would go up 00:06:23.860 --> 00:06:26.519 because they're probably measuring it in relationship 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:29.480 to COVID. Maybe, but they have the Bible in the 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:33.259 air. Maybe people are just trying to get more 00:06:33.259 --> 00:06:36.899 into the Word or into a book. and not be on their 00:06:36.899 --> 00:06:39.339 phone. But that would be interesting. Anyhow, 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:41.459 just to say that, so it's not just Catholics 00:06:41.459 --> 00:06:44.839 returning to church and returning to faith. Well, 00:06:44.899 --> 00:06:46.399 and I love what you asked. You said, is this 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.779 just in America? And come to find out, no, it's 00:06:49.779 --> 00:06:51.620 happening in lots of places around the world. 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:53.740 Yeah. What was the one that was most surprising 00:06:53.740 --> 00:06:56.500 to you when we did a little bit of online research? 00:06:57.379 --> 00:07:00.199 You mentioned Austria, and that was a striking 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:03.639 one. I just think what's so striking is, this 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:06.339 was not on my bingo card until the kids say, 00:07:06.500 --> 00:07:10.439 that this kind of revival in the young adults, 00:07:10.779 --> 00:07:16.060 it's in young, Gen Z, Gen X, and just the amount 00:07:16.060 --> 00:07:21.620 of the momentum it has. And it's just interesting, 00:07:21.699 --> 00:07:24.459 like, what are they drawn to? And it's not that 00:07:24.459 --> 00:07:27.339 we don't appreciate our Catholic faith, but... 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.899 What are they seeking that they're lacking? So 00:07:30.899 --> 00:07:33.339 I think just generally, Tom, that it's happening 00:07:33.339 --> 00:07:36.920 across the world. We are such a global, connected 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:40.639 community. And some of this gets stirred by online 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.120 media, by Instagram, TikToks, believe it or not. 00:07:44.259 --> 00:07:49.279 And so you actually see that impact in your parishes 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:51.819 week to week, which is really interesting. Well, 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.720 when we went to Ash Wednesday Mass, it was the 00:07:55.720 --> 00:08:00.649 last Mass. at the St. Paul's Student Center, 00:08:00.850 --> 00:08:04.629 we practically couldn't fit in the cry room. 00:08:04.790 --> 00:08:06.230 Like the whole church was there and the whole 00:08:06.230 --> 00:08:07.910 standing room area was filled. We were in the 00:08:07.910 --> 00:08:10.089 cry room and it was filled and it kind of went 00:08:10.089 --> 00:08:14.050 down to the hallway. And so when I said standing 00:08:14.050 --> 00:08:16.670 room only, there is something kind of cool about 00:08:16.670 --> 00:08:18.529 that. When you're part of something and there's 00:08:18.529 --> 00:08:22.290 such a big crowd there, it does make you feel 00:08:22.290 --> 00:08:24.290 like, hey, wait a minute, I don't want to miss 00:08:24.290 --> 00:08:26.920 out. What's going on? Yeah, for sure. I think 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.420 that's really powerful. Well, and you also asked 00:08:30.420 --> 00:08:33.500 the other interesting question, is this just 00:08:33.500 --> 00:08:37.179 a Catholic thing? Or are Christian denominations 00:08:37.179 --> 00:08:41.820 also experiencing that? And I had forgotten about 00:08:41.820 --> 00:08:44.120 some of the signs that, oh yeah, wait a minute, 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:47.899 it's beyond Catholicism. Well, I know when Charlie 00:08:47.899 --> 00:08:51.570 Kirk was assassinated, that really did... stir 00:08:51.570 --> 00:08:54.090 a lot of people to go online, watch his videos, 00:08:54.169 --> 00:08:58.149 become more awakened to, I need to live a stronger, 00:08:58.309 --> 00:09:01.409 more courageous life. So I think his martyrdom 00:09:01.409 --> 00:09:05.929 definitely opened people to seek out their faith 00:09:05.929 --> 00:09:09.669 and live a more fruitful, impactful life and 00:09:09.669 --> 00:09:12.690 not live for themselves. Well, and that is an 00:09:12.690 --> 00:09:15.370 extreme testimony, right? The witness of a life. 00:09:15.850 --> 00:09:19.330 given to a cause that was for him deeply related 00:09:19.330 --> 00:09:24.210 to his own life of faith. I think of the phenomenon 00:09:24.210 --> 00:09:29.129 of praise and worship and like God falling, the 00:09:29.129 --> 00:09:31.289 Holy Spirit falling and people just praying. 00:09:31.429 --> 00:09:34.450 And so at Asbury College, I think that was in 00:09:34.450 --> 00:09:39.429 North Carolina, back in 2023, there were like 00:09:39.429 --> 00:09:43.710 16 days of continual. praise and worship and 00:09:43.710 --> 00:09:46.330 people were coming. Didn't your brother go? I 00:09:46.330 --> 00:09:49.049 don't remember. I just, it kind of came and went, 00:09:49.149 --> 00:09:51.250 but it was, you know, it was kind of, it was 00:09:51.250 --> 00:09:53.669 exciting. You want, you know, we're expecting 00:09:53.669 --> 00:09:56.789 God to move and some of this, how much of it 00:09:56.789 --> 00:09:59.049 is Holy Spirit driven? How much of it is this 00:09:59.049 --> 00:10:01.409 just kind of ache in the heart? What's so interesting 00:10:01.409 --> 00:10:04.409 is actually the mainline Protestant churches 00:10:04.409 --> 00:10:08.970 are closing. So it's not... any christian church 00:10:08.970 --> 00:10:12.210 right yeah and this is the part that is not that 00:10:12.210 --> 00:10:14.350 surprising to me and this is this will make a 00:10:14.350 --> 00:10:16.250 like a reassertion it'll have an application 00:10:16.250 --> 00:10:19.870 to catholic churches but uh if you have a let's 00:10:19.870 --> 00:10:22.570 say liberal leaning protestant churches they're 00:10:22.570 --> 00:10:26.990 closing at the rate of about 15 000 churches 00:10:26.990 --> 00:10:30.610 a year closing i don't even know what that means 00:10:30.610 --> 00:10:34.830 because there's so many so many but Terry, that's 00:10:34.830 --> 00:10:40.389 like 300 per state. I think what it shows is 00:10:40.389 --> 00:10:45.649 they're not wanting to go inside a kind of indescript 00:10:45.649 --> 00:10:50.590 law environment, like a big warehouse. It's the 00:10:50.590 --> 00:10:53.409 Presbyterians or the Lutherans or the... Well, 00:10:53.429 --> 00:10:56.610 it's Catholic, Pentecostal, Orthodox, and theologically 00:10:56.610 --> 00:11:00.649 conservative. And for me, that makes sense. Catholic 00:11:00.649 --> 00:11:02.669 and Orthodox, it makes sense for reasons that 00:11:02.669 --> 00:11:04.509 we'll discuss. That are growing. Growing, yeah. 00:11:04.590 --> 00:11:07.850 What I'm saying is the ones that are closing 00:11:07.850 --> 00:11:10.210 is where it's just kind of bland. Yeah, if you're 00:11:10.210 --> 00:11:12.669 softening your message, you're dying. Or if it's 00:11:12.669 --> 00:11:16.850 just not beautiful. I think you're right. In 00:11:16.850 --> 00:11:19.789 fact, beauty is going to open us up into the 00:11:19.789 --> 00:11:23.769 next part of this program because our goal in 00:11:23.769 --> 00:11:26.470 hearing about this is to think more deeply about 00:11:26.470 --> 00:11:30.309 the phenomenon. What is it that's drawing these 00:11:30.309 --> 00:11:33.190 young people of these various segments of American 00:11:33.190 --> 00:11:35.429 society and even around the world? What's drawing 00:11:35.429 --> 00:11:39.509 them? And beauty, I think, is going to be one 00:11:39.509 --> 00:11:41.389 of the five and, in fact, probably the first 00:11:41.389 --> 00:11:45.710 reason why these people are coming back. Well, 00:11:45.750 --> 00:11:47.809 and I think we talked about this the other night 00:11:47.809 --> 00:11:52.100 with these couples. naming the anxiousness, the 00:11:52.100 --> 00:11:55.100 loneliness, damage by social media, just kind 00:11:55.100 --> 00:11:58.659 of those more, not lazy answers, but not as nuanced. 00:11:58.820 --> 00:12:02.740 And those are all true, right? But the thing 00:12:02.740 --> 00:12:06.700 is, it's not every church growing. If that was 00:12:06.700 --> 00:12:09.379 the case, all churches would be growing, but 00:12:09.379 --> 00:12:12.279 they're not. Like we said, 15 ,000 are closing. 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:14.720 So there's something specific. Actually, that's 00:12:14.720 --> 00:12:17.440 a great point. I had never thought about that. 00:12:18.579 --> 00:12:21.379 Yeah, you're right. Anxiety would drive people 00:12:21.379 --> 00:12:23.519 to all the churches. So what is it about these 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:27.159 specific churches where they've left the secular 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:30.000 world and they're moving into the Catholic church 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.320 specifically? Well, one of the distinctions that 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:36.039 I've used as a nice entry point into all of this 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:39.620 is in the business world. When I would go and 00:12:39.620 --> 00:12:42.779 talk to people and say, will you give us money 00:12:42.779 --> 00:12:46.700 to start up this business? they would say this 00:12:46.700 --> 00:12:49.379 same insight in one of two ways. They would say, 00:12:49.419 --> 00:12:52.500 what problem are you solving? Or what pain point 00:12:52.500 --> 00:12:57.059 are you addressing? Because they have discovered 00:12:57.059 --> 00:12:59.220 that the most successful businesses, the ones 00:12:59.220 --> 00:13:02.100 that actually survived, weren't simply those 00:13:02.100 --> 00:13:05.039 that were providing a vitamin, but were more 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:09.120 of a pain reliever. So that distinction was very 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:12.440 helpful and it makes sense. When are you more 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:16.059 likely to go to your medicine cabinet and take 00:13:16.059 --> 00:13:18.860 pills in a bottle? Is it that you want a vitamin 00:13:18.860 --> 00:13:21.340 to improve your strength, or are you going to 00:13:21.340 --> 00:13:24.100 get something because you have a terrible headache? 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.179 Yeah, well, I think that's why pain would explain 00:13:28.179 --> 00:13:32.220 why they leave the secular life, but it doesn't 00:13:32.220 --> 00:13:34.679 explain why they go to the Catholic or more traditional 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:40.049 churches specifically. There is a way in which 00:13:40.049 --> 00:13:41.950 this awakening in the heart and the depth of 00:13:41.950 --> 00:13:46.970 the soul of longing for something that is more 00:13:46.970 --> 00:13:49.110 than just a pain reliever. Because you can also, 00:13:49.149 --> 00:13:52.590 you know, take pain reliever could be getting 00:13:52.590 --> 00:13:55.710 involved in different addictions or, you know, 00:13:55.730 --> 00:13:57.730 you just kind of numb it by doing different activities 00:13:57.730 --> 00:14:00.769 or staying really busy. There's almost this deep 00:14:00.769 --> 00:14:04.049 longing and awakening of there's more. And the 00:14:04.049 --> 00:14:07.480 neat thing about... the TikToks I was watching 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:10.100 or the videos, is there something about social 00:14:10.100 --> 00:14:14.259 media, which we'll get to, that allows people 00:14:14.259 --> 00:14:18.019 to see online visually what the church looks 00:14:18.019 --> 00:14:19.799 like inside. And then they see all these young 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:22.720 adults that are in their twenties gathering and 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.700 socializing in a healthy, you know, not in the 00:14:25.700 --> 00:14:28.039 rock club or the dance halls or wherever, but 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:30.820 in a holy space. And then them all testifying 00:14:30.820 --> 00:14:34.659 to this beautiful life they've found. And that, 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:37.200 kind of awakening of truth that there's more, 00:14:37.299 --> 00:14:40.559 I think is one of the reasons or one of the evangelistic 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:44.240 tools that's being used to enhance this coming 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.799 back to the church. Right. Yeah. I think the 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:49.139 way that you just said it, when they're seeing 00:14:49.139 --> 00:14:52.659 a picture of something that is supremely attractive, 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.120 they're drawn to it. So yeah, maybe that they're 00:14:56.120 --> 00:15:00.340 in pain is like a crack in the armor. And maybe 00:15:00.340 --> 00:15:03.309 it's like, breaking open the ache in the heart, 00:15:03.409 --> 00:15:05.750 the emptiness in their lives. Okay, so they know 00:15:05.750 --> 00:15:08.409 what they want to leave from, but what are they 00:15:08.409 --> 00:15:10.610 going to be drawn to? And drawn to in a way that 00:15:10.610 --> 00:15:13.570 is sustainable, more than just the pill, because 00:15:13.570 --> 00:15:15.909 the pill runs out. They want something that will 00:15:15.909 --> 00:15:21.169 actually solve that. Provide a solution. So when 00:15:21.169 --> 00:15:24.309 we come back, we're going to dig into a Catholic... 00:15:24.860 --> 00:15:28.320 and traditional framework for exploring this. 00:15:28.659 --> 00:15:32.679 And they actually provide the three most prominent 00:15:32.679 --> 00:15:37.820 reasons for the phenomenon to gain some really 00:15:37.820 --> 00:15:43.139 deeper insight. So Kerry, who would have thought 00:15:43.139 --> 00:15:46.840 that St. Thomas Aquinas and his transcendental 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:51.700 attributes of being written back in the 1270s 00:15:51.700 --> 00:15:57.289 would explain a phenomenon Let's see, 750 years 00:15:57.289 --> 00:15:59.389 later. Well, that's actually part of the solution 00:15:59.389 --> 00:16:04.350 is there's so much beauty and truth in the way 00:16:04.350 --> 00:16:08.029 older, older, older documents and writings that 00:16:08.029 --> 00:16:13.929 today's answers are not sufficient. And so as 00:16:13.929 --> 00:16:16.230 we share, it's just really fascinating to see 00:16:16.230 --> 00:16:19.850 people smart, like high IQ people that are really... 00:16:20.059 --> 00:16:23.080 earnest and want the truth and want the real 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.519 substance that they're not settling for the last, 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:28.500 you know, 50 years of writing. They're going 00:16:28.500 --> 00:16:33.179 back hundreds, hundreds of years. Well, and you 00:16:33.179 --> 00:16:35.620 touched upon the first two transcendental attributes 00:16:35.620 --> 00:16:38.440 of being beauty and truth and the third one's 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.360 goodness, right? So everything that is, has a 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:43.799 manifestation that is beautiful and true and 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:49.549 good. And as we have dug into the research, and 00:16:49.549 --> 00:16:51.889 attempted to come to insight, lo and behold, 00:16:52.129 --> 00:16:56.690 the number one reason that so many young people 00:16:56.690 --> 00:16:59.509 are drawn is the beauty of the liturgy. Not everybody, 00:16:59.610 --> 00:17:02.610 but the number one reason is this beauty of the 00:17:02.610 --> 00:17:05.630 liturgy. One way of saying it is beauty is the 00:17:05.630 --> 00:17:08.390 tip of the spear. It's what gets them through 00:17:08.390 --> 00:17:10.730 the door. Yeah, and I think it's interesting. 00:17:10.829 --> 00:17:12.609 You hear these stories of people that have never 00:17:12.609 --> 00:17:16.029 been in a Catholic cathedral or that kind of 00:17:16.029 --> 00:17:19.440 church environment. sacred space, and they walk 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:22.460 in and they just can tell there's a presence, 00:17:22.539 --> 00:17:25.779 there's a sacredness. And then you hear these 00:17:25.779 --> 00:17:28.619 stories of them converting. Within the next few 00:17:28.619 --> 00:17:31.960 days, they seek out the priest or the administration 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:34.299 and say, how do I join this church? I don't think 00:17:34.299 --> 00:17:36.579 that happens when you go into a megachurch. I'm 00:17:36.579 --> 00:17:38.799 just saying. Not that they don't do their own 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:41.779 good work. So on Wednesday, we went to Mass in 00:17:41.779 --> 00:17:45.059 the evening at the St. Paul Student Center in 00:17:45.059 --> 00:17:49.049 Boise. And what was the setting? Oh, it was the 00:17:49.049 --> 00:17:51.190 candlelight mass. Candlelight mass. The only 00:17:51.190 --> 00:17:53.789 lights on in the entire church were candles. 00:17:53.890 --> 00:17:56.789 They even brought candles over to the ambo so 00:17:56.789 --> 00:17:59.450 that when the readings were read, the lector 00:17:59.450 --> 00:18:04.190 could read the scriptures. So there was an attention 00:18:04.190 --> 00:18:08.490 to the environment that was different. There 00:18:08.490 --> 00:18:11.930 was something that said, we are going to put 00:18:11.930 --> 00:18:15.490 on display this event in a way that points you 00:18:15.490 --> 00:18:18.950 to something beyond that is something beyond 00:18:18.950 --> 00:18:22.950 this world, right? Because at a created level, 00:18:22.990 --> 00:18:25.289 the level of creation in the world around us, 00:18:25.410 --> 00:18:27.670 we refer to that as the beautiful. But when you 00:18:27.670 --> 00:18:30.769 introduce the supernatural level, the word is 00:18:30.769 --> 00:18:33.690 no longer beauty. But the word for supernatural 00:18:33.690 --> 00:18:38.069 beauty, divine beauty, also evokes this concept 00:18:38.069 --> 00:18:44.700 of majesty. And the word is glory. Glory is majestic, 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:51.440 divine beauty manifested. And so I think that 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:56.339 because we were made for God, when we see a manifestation 00:18:56.339 --> 00:19:00.019 in earthly events and in an earthly setting, 00:19:00.140 --> 00:19:05.380 that is a hint and a place of contact, a place 00:19:05.380 --> 00:19:08.339 of coming out into the open of divine beauty 00:19:08.339 --> 00:19:13.670 that's majestic, it's glorious. That... is overwhelming. 00:19:14.369 --> 00:19:18.250 Yeah, and I think, well, if you think about what 00:19:18.250 --> 00:19:21.529 it's drawing, it's these kids that are very, 00:19:21.609 --> 00:19:26.250 kind of a sterile, minimalistic life, a lot of 00:19:26.250 --> 00:19:29.329 scrolling on phones, being kind of connected 00:19:29.329 --> 00:19:34.369 to that world. And then they walk into this sacred 00:19:34.369 --> 00:19:37.430 space. It's not like a typical mall or restaurant. 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:41.180 Actually, you don't just stumble upon a cathedral. 00:19:41.619 --> 00:19:44.380 And to go into that environment and never having 00:19:44.380 --> 00:19:47.920 been in maybe a church setting, it has to touch 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:50.859 something deep within them. And I say that only 00:19:50.859 --> 00:19:54.240 because several of the people interviewed have 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:59.880 referenced they're going to this candlelit. That's 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:02.440 what they're drawn to. Or the altars or the Gregorian 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:04.519 Chan or the stained glass or just all those. 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:07.500 Or something that you're less attuned to or less 00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:09.759 attracted to in smaller environments. And that 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:13.859 is the incense. Oh, the incense. I was thinking 00:20:13.859 --> 00:20:16.819 the boys. I don't know. Finding a nice good man 00:20:16.819 --> 00:20:19.859 to marry. And the Latin. I mean, just that old 00:20:19.859 --> 00:20:23.279 language. The mystery of it all. All of a sudden 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:26.000 now you're communicating in language and then 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:29.269 a form of communication. If you noticed. If you 00:20:29.269 --> 00:20:32.829 remember, Father Nathan, that presided at the 00:20:32.829 --> 00:20:36.650 Mass, he sung the entire Mass. So it was a sung 00:20:36.650 --> 00:20:41.490 liturgy. And much of the music that was introduced 00:20:41.490 --> 00:20:46.750 was Latin. So it was plain chant or Gregorian 00:20:46.750 --> 00:20:50.630 chant. So it was an attempt to, even in the... 00:20:50.990 --> 00:20:54.589 the call and response aspects of the liturgical 00:20:54.589 --> 00:20:57.509 prayer, it was elevated. It was elevated. It 00:20:57.509 --> 00:21:00.769 was supernaturalized. That's the intent. And 00:21:00.769 --> 00:21:05.190 that speaks to the human contact with the divine, 00:21:05.329 --> 00:21:11.210 with the supernatural. It's the mysterium tremendum 00:21:11.210 --> 00:21:14.960 et faci fascinans. That's the way of referring 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:17.119 to what happens when we come in contact with 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:19.579 the holy, with the divine. We have this sense 00:21:19.579 --> 00:21:22.039 of a mystery that is overwhelming, and so there's 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:26.140 an awe, and yet it is supremely attractive. So 00:21:26.140 --> 00:21:29.079 it's glorious. It's divinely beautiful at the 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:31.779 same time. What a powerful experience. It's so 00:21:31.779 --> 00:21:33.579 beautiful. And I don't know if you've noticed, 00:21:33.740 --> 00:21:37.180 but I've noticed here in the Boise area, more 00:21:37.180 --> 00:21:42.480 Latin, more tradition, less... Like, I don't 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:45.369 think... The church is going or tending towards 00:21:45.369 --> 00:21:48.869 a more kind of community spirit of, hey, let's 00:21:48.869 --> 00:21:50.569 all... I mean, we're getting to the point where 00:21:50.569 --> 00:21:52.230 people don't even shake hands anymore. They just 00:21:52.230 --> 00:21:55.210 move right into... The sign of peace, you're 00:21:55.210 --> 00:21:56.549 saying. The sign of peace, yes. They all admit 00:21:56.549 --> 00:21:59.049 that. I noticed several churches are starting 00:21:59.049 --> 00:22:00.609 to admit the sign of peace, or it's just becoming 00:22:00.609 --> 00:22:05.029 very minimized. And you can just tell little 00:22:05.029 --> 00:22:09.119 things show up that... You see the church going 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:11.859 more in a traditional manner. Well, and again, 00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:14.500 what we're doing is we're associating this. We're 00:22:14.500 --> 00:22:16.559 not making an argument. We're just saying, what 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:18.380 is it that's drawing people? Yeah, that's so 00:22:18.380 --> 00:22:20.359 true. And just trying to identify the phenomenon. 00:22:20.539 --> 00:22:23.200 I think that, for instance, they're drawn to 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:28.200 more sacred architecture as well, like a beautiful 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:30.480 stained glass windows, right? Like the cathedral. 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:33.799 St. John the Evangelist Cathedral. Incredible 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:38.039 architecture and art on the inside. And the stained 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:40.319 glass windows are stunning. Like Our Lady of 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:43.039 Lourdes, same thing. And these are very, St. 00:22:43.140 --> 00:22:46.240 Thomas up in Coeur d 'Alene, these beautiful 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:49.220 churches, it itself has a magnetic pull to it. 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:54.059 And so I like this idea that we read. It was 00:22:54.059 --> 00:22:55.960 that you don't have to argue someone into awe. 00:22:56.059 --> 00:22:58.099 Beauty does the work that a thousand arguments 00:22:58.099 --> 00:23:02.579 can't. And so it's just like, let God speak for 00:23:02.579 --> 00:23:05.460 himself through the church in some of its most 00:23:05.460 --> 00:23:08.140 beautiful architectural displays. So beauty, 00:23:08.259 --> 00:23:11.920 the beauty of the liturgy is one of the reasons 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:14.730 why. Anything else you want to say about that, 00:23:14.769 --> 00:23:16.170 Carrie? We can move on to the second reason. 00:23:16.329 --> 00:23:18.670 No, I might just come back around to it as we 00:23:18.670 --> 00:23:22.410 share some other points. They're complementary. 00:23:23.009 --> 00:23:25.509 It's like a Venn diagram. They overlap. Yeah, 00:23:25.549 --> 00:23:27.690 for sure. Okay, the second one, we went from 00:23:27.690 --> 00:23:30.609 beauty. The next one is truth. And that also 00:23:30.609 --> 00:23:33.450 was very striking to me when you listened to 00:23:33.450 --> 00:23:36.009 people and said, what was it that drew them into 00:23:36.009 --> 00:23:41.109 the Catholic Church? And it was that... There 00:23:41.109 --> 00:23:45.029 was a doctrinal conviction, a clarity, and a 00:23:45.029 --> 00:23:50.009 sense of an authoritative, this is what is true 00:23:50.009 --> 00:23:54.150 and correct and right in belief and behavior. 00:23:54.630 --> 00:23:59.609 I imagine, and you can answer that, in the depth 00:23:59.609 --> 00:24:03.750 of the human person, you need truth. You hunger 00:24:03.750 --> 00:24:08.970 for truth. You want foundational truth to stand 00:24:08.970 --> 00:24:12.559 on. You hear the saying that kids say, that's 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:15.380 your truth, or live your truth, or what's your 00:24:15.380 --> 00:24:19.160 truth, and kind of this moral relativism of everyone 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:22.160 has their own truth. And the kids, the kids, 00:24:22.220 --> 00:24:24.180 these young adults have rejected it. They're 00:24:24.180 --> 00:24:26.980 like, this does not work. It leaves us miserable 00:24:26.980 --> 00:24:31.099 and smart enough to probably go on, listen to 00:24:31.099 --> 00:24:33.519 podcasts or listen to their friends. And they 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:36.039 really want to have a deeper conversation of 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:38.599 what is truth. And that's where I mentioned they're 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:41.559 going back hundreds of years to look at what 00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:45.200 does the catechism teach or what is moral theology? 00:24:46.380 --> 00:24:49.940 Yeah. And so there's, I think there are two dimensions 00:24:49.940 --> 00:24:52.490 to it. So there are the beliefs in the mind, 00:24:52.529 --> 00:24:54.789 and then there's the beliefs as they get transferred 00:24:54.789 --> 00:24:58.089 into behaviors that get lived out in our day 00:24:58.089 --> 00:25:01.690 -to -day lives. And I think that both dimensions 00:25:01.690 --> 00:25:09.109 are crucial to this reality of what's attractive. 00:25:10.069 --> 00:25:16.710 When you have solid, convicting preaching and 00:25:16.710 --> 00:25:19.289 teaching around this is what's right and this 00:25:19.289 --> 00:25:22.839 is what's wrong, It makes a difference. I remember 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.599 for our own kids, when we first moved to Spokane, 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:31.059 we were going, this was back in 2019, we brought 00:25:31.059 --> 00:25:34.200 our kids to a few different churches. And when 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:37.619 we would go to St. Joan of Arc in Post Falls, 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:44.079 one of the things that Draca stood out was the 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:47.480 strength and the clarity of, this is what the 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:50.359 church teaches. And this is what it means for 00:25:50.359 --> 00:25:53.880 how you're supposed to live. And if you're not 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:57.259 living it, you're in sin. And if you're in a 00:25:57.259 --> 00:25:59.380 certain sin, then you should not come forward 00:25:59.380 --> 00:26:01.259 to Holy Communion. You should be going to confession. 00:26:01.579 --> 00:26:05.500 I think now we're used to some of these topics, 00:26:05.539 --> 00:26:08.819 but I think some of the first homilies we heard 00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:12.880 on hell or on abortion or on divorce, we had 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:18.299 never heard priests get up and teach. real theology 00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:20.099 and kind of moral. Let's just say what the church 00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:22.160 teaches. What the church teaches. I was like, 00:26:22.220 --> 00:26:25.920 I've never heard a talk on this. And you think, 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.819 and I think people were afraid they would offend 00:26:28.819 --> 00:26:30.940 people or that they'd turn them off. But actually 00:26:30.940 --> 00:26:33.900 what they're finding is kids, young adults are 00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:37.319 like, no, this is true and truth matters. And 00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.859 if you're not apologizing for it, it turns out 00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:43.140 kids are way more attractive. to people that 00:26:43.140 --> 00:26:46.099 are taking a stand and pushing back, and stand 00:26:46.099 --> 00:26:48.000 up for something. Stand with conviction. Don't 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.880 just be mousy, wousy, pelsy, whatever that phrase 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:54.460 is that I just made up. Well, I think about it, 00:26:54.480 --> 00:27:01.519 and it's what I noticed in my now 35 years of 00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:05.460 doing church work is that in the 90s and then 00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:08.640 in the 80s when I was in the seminary, but in 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.720 the 90s and beyond when I was doing church ministry, 00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:15.220 So much of what the church did was found a seat 00:27:15.220 --> 00:27:19.380 at the table with the modern world. And where 00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:21.480 the modern world started to disagree and those 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.599 disagreements turned into laws and policies, 00:27:23.700 --> 00:27:29.759 there was very little to no pushback. Like, let's 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:34.259 stand up. Let's take a stand. Let's push back 00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:38.500 strongly because ideas have consequences. And 00:27:38.500 --> 00:27:41.700 that's something that we ought to be aware of. 00:27:42.460 --> 00:27:46.059 And as a result, we gave more ground away. And 00:27:46.059 --> 00:27:49.779 it was done in the name of being kind or tolerant. 00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.599 Tolerant was, I think, a big word and not wanting 00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:57.920 to impose our beliefs. So it left us in oftentimes 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.799 weaker positions catechetically if the people, 00:28:01.900 --> 00:28:04.660 if the faithful were not really formed strongly 00:28:04.660 --> 00:28:07.579 on why we believed what we believed. So truth 00:28:07.579 --> 00:28:10.910 matters. And I think that that And what the research 00:28:10.910 --> 00:28:13.230 is saying is that that is one of the primary 00:28:13.230 --> 00:28:17.230 reasons why people are in fact drawn. And that's 00:28:17.230 --> 00:28:19.809 so that it's a partial explanation for the phenomenon. 00:28:19.869 --> 00:28:22.529 So we've talked about beauty. We've talked about 00:28:22.529 --> 00:28:24.410 truth. The next is we're going to talk about 00:28:24.410 --> 00:28:27.930 goodness. And goodness is very often connected 00:28:27.930 --> 00:28:30.670 to human flourishing. And this phenomenon is 00:28:30.670 --> 00:28:34.690 meeting a need to flourish in young people today. 00:28:34.750 --> 00:28:42.599 And that TikTok guy said a lot about it. So Carrie, 00:28:42.660 --> 00:28:46.759 I mentioned this TikTok guy. And as we talk about 00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.299 goodness, I tend to focus more on individual 00:28:49.299 --> 00:28:52.980 human flourishing through making moral decisions. 00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:58.740 He raised it to a very different level when in 00:28:58.740 --> 00:29:02.019 his comments about, why don't you come and check 00:29:02.019 --> 00:29:05.059 it out? He began with a very different door to 00:29:05.059 --> 00:29:07.259 go through. It wasn't beauty and it wasn't truth. 00:29:08.059 --> 00:29:11.680 It was community. Yeah, and I know they say that. 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.980 These kids are the most lonely generation there 00:29:14.980 --> 00:29:17.940 is. And there is a way in which, and we can all 00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:22.339 attest to this, it's very easy for me to be by 00:29:22.339 --> 00:29:27.559 myself on my phone and isolate and just not connect 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:29.799 person to person. It's just so much easier. And 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:31.759 you can see this with a bunch of young adults. 00:29:31.819 --> 00:29:34.799 They sit in a room together and they're all there 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:36.859 together, but they're on their phone doing different 00:29:36.859 --> 00:29:41.589 things. And it's just, I'm so glad. I did not 00:29:41.589 --> 00:29:45.789 grow up in this age because it's difficult. It's 00:29:45.789 --> 00:29:47.829 tough. And I think anyhow, this ache is becoming 00:29:47.829 --> 00:29:50.589 even more apparent. And because there is this 00:29:50.589 --> 00:29:53.450 loneliness and, you know, they're promised this 00:29:53.450 --> 00:29:55.450 is going to help you feel socialized. And, you 00:29:55.450 --> 00:29:57.210 know, the more followers you have, the more likes 00:29:57.210 --> 00:29:59.029 you have, the better. But it's just not true. 00:29:59.210 --> 00:30:01.569 So there's something very specific about how 00:30:01.569 --> 00:30:03.829 the church is providing community for young adults. 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.839 Yeah, and I think the line was, come for the 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:10.140 community, stay for the Lord. If you come for 00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:13.440 the community, you'll stay for the Lord. And 00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.220 it's so fascinating because, again, when you 00:30:16.220 --> 00:30:19.420 say there's the ache in the heart, it's a relational 00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:22.759 ache. Because what we're really empty for is 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.920 a relationship with the Lord. And so oftentimes 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.420 it'll be relationships with those who know the 00:30:29.420 --> 00:30:34.440 Lord that become a facilitator. an instrument, 00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:38.099 a conduit for other people to come to know the 00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:41.119 Lord as well. I can remember this way back when, 00:30:41.180 --> 00:30:43.380 when I first experienced my own awakening of 00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:46.900 faith. The most natural thing was to gather around 00:30:46.900 --> 00:30:50.440 me others who had a like mind. So I ended up 00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:53.740 gathering with Mark and Scott and Janet and Leslie 00:30:53.740 --> 00:30:57.220 and Mike Shannon and these high school classmates 00:30:57.220 --> 00:31:00.039 of mine. Some of them were dear friends. Others 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.980 were just acquaintances. But we ended up coming 00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:05.960 together and we started a Bible study. And it 00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.440 was kind of the blind leading the blind, but 00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:09.920 there was something that we all had together, 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:11.859 which was our common Catholic faith. And we all 00:31:11.859 --> 00:31:15.460 had this common hunger to go deeper into it together. 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.339 Yeah. The other thing that they mentioned is 00:31:18.339 --> 00:31:23.339 you have a generation that is really been about 00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:30.000 like self -optimization or self -expression or, 00:31:30.099 --> 00:31:32.990 you know, those You can see the influencers, 00:31:33.250 --> 00:31:36.049 they do this whole thing of what's my personal 00:31:36.049 --> 00:31:38.789 brand. And it's been so self -focused and self 00:31:38.789 --> 00:31:41.410 -centered that it's left these young adults with 00:31:41.410 --> 00:31:45.009 such a hunger. They're exhausted by, please, 00:31:45.089 --> 00:31:46.809 I don't want this to be about me anymore. And 00:31:46.809 --> 00:31:49.230 when is it most not about you? You go into Mass, 00:31:49.569 --> 00:31:52.509 you're not on your phone. It's just you and the 00:31:52.509 --> 00:31:55.190 Lord, and you're praying through the liturgy. 00:31:55.569 --> 00:32:00.200 But that must be really... To have not done that 00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.000 growing up and then you do this for the first 00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.279 time or you're introduced to this, there has 00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.720 to be some space where God breaks in and draws 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:11.039 them to himself. Because that really is a time 00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:12.359 where you're not on your phone for at least one 00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:17.359 hour. I have never thought about that. But I'm 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:20.720 like, well, of course not. But I'm not part of 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.480 that generation that has had, that are cyborgs, 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.920 that live with that. constant presence of their 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:29.660 phone. And all of a sudden, and you can kind 00:32:29.660 --> 00:32:32.180 of play this out, it's not just the phone, but 00:32:32.180 --> 00:32:34.700 you're sitting in one spot. You're sitting still. 00:32:34.859 --> 00:32:38.059 You have times of silence. You have times where 00:32:38.059 --> 00:32:41.640 you're choosing to, you're being invited to participate, 00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:44.420 to sing music that you didn't select. You're 00:32:44.420 --> 00:32:47.559 not at a concert. And so the music that is there 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.039 is meant to aid you in a whole different direction. 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:54.880 That's really worth thinking about. Probably 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.460 the closest is almost like if you're at a football 00:32:57.460 --> 00:33:00.539 game and you're in the crowd. Yeah. You don't 00:33:00.539 --> 00:33:02.000 know who you're with, but you're all there for 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.160 the same reason, for the action that's happening 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:06.460 on the field, and you're drawn into the game. 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.259 Well, I mean, you could say you're not there 00:33:09.259 --> 00:33:11.839 for this. It's not about you. You're not there 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.059 for your feelings or therapy or being entertained. 00:33:15.380 --> 00:33:17.420 You're there really for the Lord and for the 00:33:17.420 --> 00:33:20.700 sacrifice of the Mass. And that is what people 00:33:20.700 --> 00:33:23.500 are saying they're drawn to. And I wonder, I 00:33:23.500 --> 00:33:25.619 think that it would be the kind of thing where 00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:28.539 they come because of the phenomenon. They're 00:33:28.539 --> 00:33:31.319 moved and they're not sure what it is. And then 00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.059 it gets interpreted for them. It's the Lord. 00:33:34.460 --> 00:33:37.099 You've come into contact with the divine, and 00:33:37.099 --> 00:33:40.779 the Lord is drawing close to you. And the liturgy 00:33:40.779 --> 00:33:43.079 is inviting you into this whole other dimension 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.039 of living. And you're hearing truths about who 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:48.380 God is that are solid, and you can base your 00:33:48.380 --> 00:33:51.220 life on it. And you see other people who have 00:33:51.220 --> 00:33:54.359 had this positive impact on their lives. I always 00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.180 love to say that, that when you have people of 00:33:57.180 --> 00:34:00.559 faith that are together, what are they radiating? 00:34:00.619 --> 00:34:05.569 Freedom. Joy, life, a sense of forgiveness, openness 00:34:05.569 --> 00:34:09.030 to each other. There's laughter. These are things 00:34:09.030 --> 00:34:13.489 that probably are just more rare in day -to -day 00:34:13.489 --> 00:34:17.349 existence when people are pursuing a path without 00:34:17.349 --> 00:34:21.809 God. And now all of a sudden, there's this puzzle. 00:34:22.110 --> 00:34:26.309 What have I been missing? It's the Lord. Yeah, 00:34:26.329 --> 00:34:29.369 and I think, I mean, and also the aftermath. 00:34:30.250 --> 00:34:32.510 Or after a church service, they gather in the 00:34:32.510 --> 00:34:36.429 hall. There's a fellowship. And you think this 00:34:36.429 --> 00:34:38.690 fellowship is different than what they're used 00:34:38.690 --> 00:34:40.210 to. It's usually they're all sitting in a room 00:34:40.210 --> 00:34:43.369 on their phones, but just really scrolling. They 00:34:43.369 --> 00:34:45.050 don't put their phones down and have conversations. 00:34:45.250 --> 00:34:48.389 That's not common unless it's organized. Even 00:34:48.389 --> 00:34:50.050 in your classroom, you're on your laptop taking 00:34:50.050 --> 00:34:53.550 notes. So here you have young adults off their 00:34:53.550 --> 00:34:56.690 phones. with Father or some kind of director 00:34:56.690 --> 00:34:59.530 leading a conversation on moral theology, on 00:34:59.530 --> 00:35:03.050 deep, heart -probing questions about what's the 00:35:03.050 --> 00:35:05.829 meaning of life. And they're all on this journey 00:35:05.829 --> 00:35:08.710 together, and they're getting real person experience 00:35:08.710 --> 00:35:12.170 in relationships and connection. And that just 00:35:12.170 --> 00:35:17.619 has to be so freeing and so just different. Because 00:35:17.619 --> 00:35:20.139 they've grown up without this. You think it's 00:35:20.139 --> 00:35:23.900 like, how far have we fallen in the last 10 years 00:35:23.900 --> 00:35:26.719 with technology? But they're just thrilled to 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.159 get together in a room and share a meal and talk 00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.300 about the Lord. And that's beautiful. Well, they're 00:35:32.300 --> 00:35:37.320 actually getting the promise fulfilled that social 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:41.719 media and its platforms have made, but couldn't 00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.130 deliver. which was that community and fellowship. 00:35:44.289 --> 00:35:45.710 Okay, so the fourth reason. So those are the 00:35:45.710 --> 00:35:48.329 three reasons, and those are connected very much 00:35:48.329 --> 00:35:52.769 to the transcendental attributes of being, but 00:35:52.769 --> 00:35:56.150 there's also a couple of other reasons. And I 00:35:56.150 --> 00:35:59.010 want to move into a reason that we could say 00:35:59.010 --> 00:36:02.269 is more about like a pain reliever, and that's 00:36:02.269 --> 00:36:05.650 just broadly speaking a reaction to cultural 00:36:05.650 --> 00:36:09.960 chaos. Yeah. And I think like they had, they 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.179 are interviewing people at like Texas A &M and 00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:14.400 they just said, we just want something real. 00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.159 That's authentic. That's just not crazy. That's 00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.360 not way out there. And we can just come and be 00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.619 ourselves and be received. It's that simple. 00:36:24.940 --> 00:36:27.300 And, you know, I'm thinking, oh, this must be 00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:28.900 a phenomenon. This is insane. All these people, 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.030 this is incredible. And it's just the Lord doing 00:36:32.030 --> 00:36:34.070 what the Lord does. I'm here, I'm waiting for 00:36:34.070 --> 00:36:36.269 you, and I just want to be real and have a relationship 00:36:36.269 --> 00:36:39.630 with you. So yeah, just not the cultural chaos 00:36:39.630 --> 00:36:41.650 that they would find in their dorms or in the 00:36:41.650 --> 00:36:44.489 bars or wherever they happen to be in their workplace. 00:36:45.030 --> 00:36:48.250 Yeah. Well, when you think about the variety 00:36:48.250 --> 00:36:51.449 of things that are relentlessly coming at them 00:36:51.449 --> 00:36:56.429 on social media, it's everything from this, what's 00:36:56.429 --> 00:36:59.820 that word? cultivate a certain image of yourself 00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:03.719 uh and you know so then it's all the the influencer 00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:07.059 well you know they well they have the apps where 00:37:07.059 --> 00:37:09.480 it's like swipe white swipe left so that's that's 00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:11.500 the sort of hookup culture and all that so it's 00:37:11.500 --> 00:37:14.099 all it's all curated that's the word yes so you're 00:37:14.099 --> 00:37:17.139 curating like this sense of who you are and and 00:37:17.139 --> 00:37:20.800 then even just the messages out there about You 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.559 can be anybody you want. So just sort of the 00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.679 gender fluid stuff. And this, the demonic gender 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:32.239 ideology stuff, it's bankrupt. And it leads people 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.980 into, again, just dark, chaotic places. And so 00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:38.840 this is a real pain reliever. This is a pain 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.519 reliever. So that's the fourth reason. Okay, 00:37:40.579 --> 00:37:44.719 the fifth reason is one that surprised me. I 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.019 don't think it surprised you as much. Well, it 00:37:47.019 --> 00:37:49.079 made total sense when I watched the TikTok videos. 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.579 I was like, oh, this is actually the engine. 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.480 There's the ache in the heart. There's the sense 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.559 of I'm wanting, I'm made for more. But this is 00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:59.900 actually what's promoting it. And it's amazing 00:37:59.900 --> 00:38:01.699 what kids, young adults. Didn't say what it was. 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:09.280 Well, that's okay. We'll get there. Well, you're 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.880 really systematic and I like to come in through 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.639 the back window. Uh, but there's a way in which, 00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.219 um, those young, our younger generations are 00:38:19.219 --> 00:38:21.800 on these platforms and they see something and 00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:23.480 they want to do it. They see like people jumping 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:26.059 off cliffs that are 200 feet high in Brazil, 00:38:26.139 --> 00:38:28.199 or they see somebody skydiving, or they see someone 00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:30.679 traveling to this special place for like in the 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.260 Camino. Yes. And, and so that's funny is they're 00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:37.719 seeing Catholics, young adults going to church 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:41.699 and is actually making people be like, Oh, is 00:38:41.699 --> 00:38:43.599 that a thing? I didn't even know that was a thing. 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:45.940 Yeah, maybe that's where I need to go. So it's 00:38:45.940 --> 00:38:48.480 this funny, like, off -ramp, unexpected off -ramp 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:52.820 of what, you know, technology everyone's going 00:38:52.820 --> 00:38:56.199 to assume would kill the church is actually becoming 00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:59.420 its biggest promoter or recruiter. Yeah, so the 00:38:59.420 --> 00:39:02.579 fifth reason then is the internet itself. What 00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:06.820 we so often are talking about as the solution 00:39:06.820 --> 00:39:08.940 to the internet, which is come back to faith 00:39:08.940 --> 00:39:13.070 in God. is actually a tool used to get people 00:39:13.070 --> 00:39:15.590 back to faith and God. Well, you hear these people 00:39:15.590 --> 00:39:19.650 that go on YouTube channels, or typically YouTube 00:39:19.650 --> 00:39:21.969 channels do deeper dives and they give a lot 00:39:21.969 --> 00:39:26.949 of visual. But I wondered, don't people get a 00:39:26.949 --> 00:39:30.150 hunger? Don't they want to deep dive a topic? 00:39:30.190 --> 00:39:34.030 Because it's so interesting and fascinating, 00:39:34.269 --> 00:39:36.630 something they've never thought of, why we're 00:39:36.630 --> 00:39:38.849 here and the purpose of life. And so they go 00:39:38.849 --> 00:39:42.039 on and they... start searching out Catholic history, 00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:45.000 and pretty soon they kind of spiral into this 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.639 conversion of, wait, there's more. And so it 00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:51.559 is actually probably doing a great job evangelizing 00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:54.360 people not even realizing it. Well, then you 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.360 have the testimonies of what happens in the life 00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.880 of someone like Jordan Peterson, right? Didn't 00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:02.679 his wife become Catholic? And there's this sense 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.340 of, is he, he's... kind of more overt about his 00:40:07.340 --> 00:40:10.699 Christian faith. Well, even Joe Rogan just said 00:40:10.699 --> 00:40:12.699 the other day that he's going to church, and 00:40:12.699 --> 00:40:15.539 the interviewer. Really? Yes, in the Diary of 00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:17.400 a CEO. Everyone's getting on board, Tom. It's 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.380 a phenomenon. The Diary of a CEO did a whole 00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:23.199 thing on a guy said, tell me why God is real. 00:40:23.340 --> 00:40:25.079 And it was all about faith, and it was one of 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:30.489 their most popular. shows or YouTube videos just 00:40:30.489 --> 00:40:32.369 came out four days ago. And it was really interesting. 00:40:32.469 --> 00:40:34.510 He, he doesn't do it from an evangelistic point 00:40:34.510 --> 00:40:37.570 of view, but from what is life about very philosophical. 00:40:37.849 --> 00:40:41.369 And, um, it was really, it was well done. I didn't 00:40:41.369 --> 00:40:43.570 listen to the whole thing, but Joe Rogan, I go 00:40:43.570 --> 00:40:45.969 to church now. He goes, I go because I have found 00:40:45.969 --> 00:40:49.690 the nicest, kindest people because you go to 00:40:49.690 --> 00:40:52.849 church and everyone is so nice. And he didn't 00:40:52.849 --> 00:40:57.539 mean better than an MMA. He said, I don't confess 00:40:57.539 --> 00:41:00.699 Christianity. I'm not there yet, but I'm really 00:41:00.699 --> 00:41:04.019 open. Isn't that amazing? So you have these real 00:41:04.019 --> 00:41:08.360 independent, moderate influencers putting out 00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:10.039 the message. She's the number one podcaster right 00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.019 now in the world, Candace Owens. She is? Yeah, 00:41:13.059 --> 00:41:17.199 she's number one. That's crazy. And she's a traditionalist 00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:21.300 Catholic. Probably doesn't hurt folks considering 00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:23.179 the Catholic faith. I don't know. She's a great 00:41:23.179 --> 00:41:26.199 promoter of that part of her life. That's a different 00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:28.460 conversation. I know. When we come back, we're 00:41:28.460 --> 00:41:31.159 going to go beyond these five reasons to a deeper 00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:36.059 reason that is historically a reason for revival 00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:38.280 and drawing people magnetically to the church. 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.019 Welcome back. Yesterday, if you were listening 00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:49.659 to the program, It was my Catholic coaching hour, 00:41:49.739 --> 00:41:54.280 and I shared a practice that transforms how I 00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:56.900 coach executives and also how I parent my nine 00:41:56.900 --> 00:42:00.639 kiddos. It's intercessory prayer as a leadership 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:03.739 discipline. Before you correct your employee 00:42:03.739 --> 00:42:07.280 or your child or your spouse, stand in the gap 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.599 for them first. And there were three phrases, 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.940 and it just takes three minutes. But it can change 00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:17.159 how you see and therefore how you relate and 00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.880 behave. And I've put all of this into a one -page 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.199 guide that you can use tomorrow morning. It's 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:29.079 called Stand in the Gap. And I have it as a free 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.840 download for you. And so I encourage you to go 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.300 to mycatholicfaith .org and you'll be able to 00:42:35.300 --> 00:42:38.119 click on that and download it. If you missed 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:41.179 yesterday's coaching hour, you can also access 00:42:41.179 --> 00:42:45.920 it there on that page. So, Kerry, we were talking 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.039 about these five reasons, and those are very 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.719 much relevant for today. But if we take a look 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:59.079 at history, the biggest reason for magnetic revivals, 00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.619 where people were coming to the church in great 00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:07.219 droves, I don't see that quite as apparent today. 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:11.880 Because the number one thing is a word that we've 00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:16.039 touched upon. It's the word holiness. We've talked 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:22.900 about majestic beauty, divine glory. And we can 00:43:22.900 --> 00:43:25.440 even talk about a holy environment and an atmosphere. 00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.780 And I think that that is having an impact today 00:43:28.780 --> 00:43:33.420 for sure. But when it's embodied in a person, 00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:36.980 the biggest difference is made. We're talking 00:43:36.980 --> 00:43:40.639 about the lives of saints. And in this last segment, 00:43:40.659 --> 00:43:43.519 we're going to focus in on the lives of saints 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:47.719 and the fundamental importance of reverence as 00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.800 magnetic factors that we ought to be praying 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:56.539 about, thinking about, and seeing how the Lord 00:43:56.539 --> 00:44:00.079 is at work. Reverence and supernatural, the supernatural 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.699 working of the Lord. You know what? I always 00:44:04.699 --> 00:44:07.880 love that you do that. Seriously, you continually 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:12.159 talk about that. In fact, that's been one of 00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:14.159 the things I've thought about regarding this 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.980 whole phenomenon is, oh, it's a move of God. 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.360 It's God who's doing it. It's God who's saying, 00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:21.639 I'm taking over. I'm not waiting for the program, 00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:25.699 the new movement, the new initiative, this new 00:44:25.699 --> 00:44:29.260 activity stream. No, I'm taking the job in my 00:44:29.260 --> 00:44:31.179 own hands, and people are just going to start 00:44:31.179 --> 00:44:34.960 showing up. That's kind of the move of God side 00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:36.920 of things. I think you were talking about it 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.119 in part from movements like Encounter. Is that 00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:41.699 right? Or did you mean something else? I don't 00:44:41.699 --> 00:44:44.460 know. I think when you're referring to holiness 00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:48.900 and people that brought a lot of people into 00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:51.360 faith and awakening and excitement because of 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.619 the miracles and the prophetic words like Padre 00:44:54.619 --> 00:44:58.320 Pio, that that has not been seen right now. This 00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.760 is more... There was an emptiness, a desolation, 00:45:01.900 --> 00:45:06.619 a lack. People were hungering for more, and now 00:45:06.619 --> 00:45:08.980 they're coming into a more conservative type 00:45:08.980 --> 00:45:12.320 Catholic church or Anglican or Orthodox. That's 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.699 predominantly where people are going. And so 00:45:15.699 --> 00:45:18.380 apart from the Holy Spirit or the empowerment 00:45:18.380 --> 00:45:21.679 of the Lord and His grace, there's just this... 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.119 Okay, we've been around for thousands of years 00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.139 and we've always had the sense of there's a supernatural, 00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:29.559 there's a God, there's a creator. And in the 00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.099 last 20 to 40 years, there's been this absence 00:45:32.099 --> 00:45:35.559 and just busy on with life and on the phone and 00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:38.559 kind of just living your own life self -centeredly. 00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:42.280 So it obviously makes sense that people are coming 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:44.420 back around to, why am I here? What is the purpose 00:45:44.420 --> 00:45:47.619 of this? Yeah, so there's an insight Pope Leo 00:45:47.619 --> 00:45:52.860 XIV has. when he talks about the threat of AI 00:45:52.860 --> 00:45:56.960 and the digital world, it's that it's a world 00:45:56.960 --> 00:46:01.500 devoid of presence. And you can make that world 00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:05.139 as compelling and as titillating and satisfying 00:46:05.139 --> 00:46:09.559 and sensitizing in ways as possible, but it will 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:12.619 always lack presence. Even Zoom meetings and 00:46:12.619 --> 00:46:15.639 FaceTime calls, you have a sense of connection. 00:46:16.409 --> 00:46:19.269 but it's not as rich as being there. What about 00:46:19.269 --> 00:46:23.849 our three girls? What are we going to do at Easter 00:46:23.849 --> 00:46:27.070 for them? They're going to Ohio? They're going 00:46:27.070 --> 00:46:29.989 to be with their four siblings at Franciscan 00:46:29.989 --> 00:46:33.670 University to be in their presence. That makes 00:46:33.670 --> 00:46:37.050 all the difference in the world. And I think 00:46:37.050 --> 00:46:41.190 about that because life -changing, trajectory 00:46:41.190 --> 00:46:46.889 -altering encounters with Jesus, happen in so 00:46:46.889 --> 00:46:48.469 many different ways, right? In the scriptures, 00:46:48.530 --> 00:46:50.389 in the Eucharist, but in the sacraments, it's 00:46:50.389 --> 00:46:54.530 personal. But in the life of a saint, it's spectacular. 00:46:55.090 --> 00:47:00.610 It's game -changing. And that has a quantification 00:47:00.610 --> 00:47:06.010 that's very difficult to really control, right? 00:47:06.090 --> 00:47:09.010 I'm reading that incredible book called Padre 00:47:09.010 --> 00:47:12.960 Pio and You by Mary O 'Regan. I'm just getting 00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.380 more and more of these stories and anecdotes 00:47:15.380 --> 00:47:20.239 about the way that it was like God was his marketer. 00:47:20.780 --> 00:47:24.639 He didn't say, hey, we got to get the word out. 00:47:24.699 --> 00:47:27.699 I got the stigmata, right? Did you know how many 00:47:27.699 --> 00:47:33.019 pilgrims they had? No. More than lords. Yeah, 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:35.320 that's... That's incredible. And it's a tiny 00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.300 town in the middle of nowhere. Well, where is 00:47:37.300 --> 00:47:39.059 it? Well, it's like Lourdes, a tiny town in the 00:47:39.059 --> 00:47:40.340 middle of nowhere. That's like Fatima, a tiny 00:47:40.340 --> 00:47:42.480 town in the middle of nowhere. That's like pretty 00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.400 much most of the apparition sites. Well, the 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:47.380 most was Our Lady of Guadalupe. They had the 00:47:47.380 --> 00:47:49.099 most pilgrimages. Well, you're in the middle 00:47:49.099 --> 00:47:51.659 of Mexico City, okay? So you've got 30 million 00:47:51.659 --> 00:47:53.780 people right there. You better have a lot. Oh, 00:47:53.820 --> 00:47:57.619 I guess that's true. Well, how many? Did you 00:47:57.619 --> 00:48:01.250 get the number? They said that they have, so 00:48:01.250 --> 00:48:03.969 they built like 50 hotels in the mountain town 00:48:03.969 --> 00:48:08.889 and they had a sanctuary that held 6 ,500 inside 00:48:08.889 --> 00:48:12.489 and 30 ,000 outside. 6 ,500? Yeah. A church that 00:48:12.489 --> 00:48:16.269 holds 6 ,500? It's huge. Yes. More than Lord, 00:48:16.349 --> 00:48:19.880 7 million pilgrims a year. to Padre Pio's. That's 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.619 shocking. Have you ever heard of a pilgrimage 00:48:22.619 --> 00:48:26.360 to San Giovanni Rotundo? I mean, maybe, maybe 00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.800 once in a blue moon. Maybe the numbers are off. 00:48:29.940 --> 00:48:32.900 No, no, that's striking that it is. You know 00:48:32.900 --> 00:48:35.000 what I found out in this book too? You know who 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:39.840 his favorite people were? Americans. I have no 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:43.860 idea why. I'm not sure why we would be favored 00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:46.599 people. I mean, maybe Italians were first, but 00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:50.380 he always said he showed a real sense of affection 00:48:50.380 --> 00:48:53.099 and endearment towards Americans. So imagine 00:48:53.099 --> 00:48:57.400 someone like Padre Pio, born today, that is going 00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:01.699 to magnify the Lord through their life. What 00:49:01.699 --> 00:49:04.219 kind of phenomena that would be on social media, 00:49:04.460 --> 00:49:08.579 on YouTube, on different platforms of someone 00:49:08.579 --> 00:49:12.980 who's that? supernaturally gifted. Yeah, I can't 00:49:12.980 --> 00:49:15.599 think of anyone that approaches that at all. 00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:18.820 I think that if I said, I wouldn't say holiness, 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:24.340 but I would say erudition would be Bishop Robert 00:49:24.340 --> 00:49:27.719 Barron. So Bishop Barron, he's so articulate 00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.199 and he can bring out into the open the truths 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.280 of our faith in a very beautiful way. And has 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:36.460 a wonderful production team. Yeah, but people 00:49:36.460 --> 00:49:39.900 are not going to him to be prayed with for healing 00:49:39.900 --> 00:49:42.820 and miracles and prophetic words and reading 00:49:42.820 --> 00:49:45.820 your soul. I'm talking like supernatural, not 00:49:45.820 --> 00:49:50.239 just gifted humanly. We're talking St. John Vianney 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.599 level. The curia of ours, 16 hours in the confessional 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:57.260 a day, eating a couple of potatoes to live off 00:49:57.260 --> 00:49:59.739 of. And they both had the devil just battling 00:49:59.739 --> 00:50:02.840 them constantly. They still have in ours the... 00:50:03.449 --> 00:50:05.809 bed that was on fire. The devil came and set 00:50:05.809 --> 00:50:09.630 his bed on fire when he was in it. It's like, 00:50:09.690 --> 00:50:13.829 come on, are you kidding me? But God used them 00:50:13.829 --> 00:50:17.090 in so many powerful ways. St. John Paul II, I 00:50:17.090 --> 00:50:21.690 think, is someone who had a holiness aspect to 00:50:21.690 --> 00:50:24.670 him. And there are some miracles and all that, 00:50:24.730 --> 00:50:26.670 but I look at the phenomenon of something like 00:50:26.670 --> 00:50:31.409 World Youth Days and the way that World Youth 00:50:31.409 --> 00:50:35.230 Days became these incredible gatherings. And 00:50:35.230 --> 00:50:40.570 maybe that was a bit of the signal that is also 00:50:40.570 --> 00:50:42.409 a reason why people are gathering in churches. 00:50:42.489 --> 00:50:46.210 The 1 ,600 gathering or 1 ,000 gathering at a 00:50:46.210 --> 00:50:49.329 mass in New York City. Well, you have 4 million 00:50:49.329 --> 00:50:52.050 in Denver and 5 million, or a million in Denver 00:50:52.050 --> 00:50:54.849 and 5 million in Manila. The largest gathering 00:50:54.849 --> 00:50:58.730 in human history was when John Paul II went there 00:50:58.730 --> 00:51:03.269 for World Youth Day. That's incredible. So, I 00:51:03.269 --> 00:51:06.170 would say that he also is someone in our time, 00:51:06.210 --> 00:51:09.690 Mother Teresa, a saint, but I'm not sure that 00:51:09.690 --> 00:51:13.269 she had so much, like people coming back to church 00:51:13.269 --> 00:51:19.550 and faith. So, the reality of a saint. I do think, 00:51:19.550 --> 00:51:22.130 though, that just like the Lord heals through 00:51:22.130 --> 00:51:24.289 saints, God also is at work through communities. 00:51:25.110 --> 00:51:29.820 And there is a phenomenon today that has fostered 00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:33.679 a degree of adherence to the faith and the practice 00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:35.940 of the faith that is really impressive. Just 00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:38.519 from pure statistics. We're not talking about 00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:40.579 arguing. We're just talking about statistics. 00:51:41.179 --> 00:51:43.920 And that is attendees of traditional Latin Masses. 00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:48.519 We don't really go to traditional Latin Mass 00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:52.300 here. We don't really have much opportunity to. 00:51:52.340 --> 00:51:55.780 And even back in Spokane, we would go occasionally, 00:51:55.820 --> 00:51:59.030 but it wasn't our standard practice. But the 00:51:59.030 --> 00:52:03.630 statistics are compelling. Are you familiar with 00:52:03.630 --> 00:52:07.469 some of the differences? We typically hear about 00:52:07.469 --> 00:52:11.369 the statistics of what's the level of belief, 00:52:11.510 --> 00:52:15.070 adherence and belief, of those who are self -identifying 00:52:15.070 --> 00:52:18.309 Catholics going to Mass in a typical church. 00:52:18.550 --> 00:52:22.739 It's pretty low. It's like 22%. are going to 00:52:22.739 --> 00:52:25.980 Mass every week. So most are not going to Mass. 00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:27.880 Yeah, those that are self -identifying as Catholics 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.500 are not going to Mass every week. Only 22 % are 00:52:30.500 --> 00:52:33.760 going on a weekly basis. But if you go to a traditional 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:38.900 Latin Mass, it's 98%, 99%. That's pretty high. 00:52:39.619 --> 00:52:42.659 And it just shows you that idea of, if you believe 00:52:42.659 --> 00:52:46.409 it, live it. And then... In matters of things 00:52:46.409 --> 00:52:48.909 like believing in the Eucharist, like 30 % believe 00:52:48.909 --> 00:52:51.110 that Jesus is really present in the Eucharist. 00:52:51.150 --> 00:52:53.550 I'm going to guess that the statistics is probably, 00:52:53.610 --> 00:52:57.989 again, super high, 98, 99 % in those that are 00:52:57.989 --> 00:53:00.250 going to traditional Latin Mass. Well, they also 00:53:00.250 --> 00:53:04.110 said that only 10 % of those going today are 00:53:04.110 --> 00:53:07.809 actually born and raised in the Latin Mass. So 00:53:07.809 --> 00:53:11.440 90 % of young adults are finding their way. to 00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:13.719 the Latin mass. They're kind of bypassing the 00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:16.079 Novus Ordo and they're going right to the traditional 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:18.280 Latin or the Anglican or the Orthodox. So that's 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:20.820 a sign, right? That's an indicator there that's 00:53:20.820 --> 00:53:23.639 worth like probing more. We don't have time to 00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:25.179 do it today, but that's worth really thinking 00:53:25.179 --> 00:53:27.780 about if you're like a church leader and you're 00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:30.300 thinking, okay, if people are coming back to 00:53:30.300 --> 00:53:32.940 faith and coming back to the church, where are 00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:37.059 they ending up? And there's a meaningful percentage 00:53:37.059 --> 00:53:39.400 that are ending up. They're finding their way. 00:53:40.010 --> 00:53:43.829 to traditional latin mass masses and traditional 00:53:43.829 --> 00:53:49.030 latin mass communities and so uh that that's 00:53:49.030 --> 00:53:51.489 a that's a real phenomenon so carrie you wanted 00:53:51.489 --> 00:53:53.650 to mention we only have just a minute left you 00:53:53.650 --> 00:53:56.230 wanted to mention that tiktok influencer that 00:53:56.230 --> 00:53:58.889 oh well i just thought people wanted to go check 00:53:58.889 --> 00:54:01.110 it out themselves they can go on instagram and 00:54:01.110 --> 00:54:04.530 i imagine facebook uh anthony gross or gross 00:54:04.530 --> 00:54:06.750 is his last name if you want to go see him do 00:54:06.750 --> 00:54:09.099 his little cute Catholic. Tours of churches. 00:54:09.380 --> 00:54:11.679 In New York. That's what one of the viral. He 00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:14.019 also said he wasn't eating for Lent. He was just 00:54:14.019 --> 00:54:17.179 drinking. His fasting was just, I'm like, good 00:54:17.179 --> 00:54:19.079 for you, man. Go for it. That was pretty cool. 00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:20.820 Well, Carrie, thanks for walking with me through 00:54:20.820 --> 00:54:22.920 this program. And folks, I hope you found this 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.980 to be insightful and makes you ponder, what's 00:54:25.980 --> 00:54:28.760 the Lord up to? All right. God bless your day. 00:54:28.900 --> 00:54:32.159 And join me on Monday where Father Kurt Nagel 00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.280 and I will be talking about St. Patrick.