Hello everybody and welcome to a new episode of the Awaken Together podcast.
I'm Kat.
I'm Jen.
And today we are going to be talking all about relationships, specifically love, soulmates,
conscious friendships, all under the lens of soul contracts.
So soul contracts, you might have heard this before in a couple different ways.
One way that I've heard of it recently is as it relates to yourself and your values
and your purpose here on life.
So we'll talk about that another time.
Today what we're really going to dig into is a relationship element of soul contracts.
And so what is a soul contract?
Soul contracts are really the spiritual contracts between two or more people that starts as
soon as you meet them.
And these contracts are really there to teach us important life lessons.
They move our lives in different directions or awaken motivation and passions within us.
And so I like to think of this as when we are all reincarnated.
I'm just going to put it out there, the assumption that you all know what I'm talking about.
I know you do, Jen.
But with reincarnation, basically before we are put into these bodies, into this life,
there's a bit of a conversation that happens, a negotiation, if you will, of the higher
beings that decide which souls go into which bodies and what really the purpose is of that
life.
And during that process, there's a conversation of the other souls who will be put on this
soul's journey to experience what they need to receive in this life.
So the three types of soul contracts that we'll talk about, one is soulmate contracts,
two bump contracts, and three twin flame contracts.
So good.
Yeah, for soul contracts, I feel like this is really fun.
I like to tie all of this into astrology as well.
But basically, it's just the belief that we are going through everything we're going
through for such a deeper reason that everything is here to help us awaken to something within
ourselves.
And when we arrive here on Earth, we don't remember this contract necessarily, but every
single thing that we are going through and experiencing is all a part of this bigger
puzzle that we are looking to figure out.
And relationships are one of the biggest catalysts for helping us unpack things within ourselves.
And I believe that we are really here to awaken to a way bigger purpose.
And all of these things are helping our soul learn how to navigate experiences differently,
to learn how to be unattached to certain things, to learn how to develop skills through certain
things.
And yeah, the people around us tend to be one of the biggest shifts for us.
And so within these soul contracts that Kat's going to give us a little definition for,
I think that it's really important to see that there is so many little tiny steps that
lead to us interacting with people.
It's actually crazy sometimes to just look around at like your closest friendships and
think of how many steps it took for you to end up being in like under the same roof or
in the same space together.
It's just really, really profound when you think of it, when you kind of detach in this
way of thinking like, what is this person here to show me about myself?
And you see every single thing as being this interaction for a deeper reason.
I think it can be, first of all, so beautiful.
And I've had so many like crazy aha moments when I think about people in this way and
really reflect on that.
But I also just think it kind of shows just the spiritual and deeper meaning behind our
existence and why we're here.
Yes, so well said.
And I love thinking about it that way too, of like, what are the odds that in all the
years on earth, we are here with each other right now?
I love that.
Yeah.
And our story Kat, we'll have to give a little review because you're definitely one of my
soulmates, 10,000%.
100% agree.
Likewise.
Give us those definitions and we'll talk it out.
Okay, so the one that probably everyone has heard of before, soulmates, right?
But I think that the traditional definition or meaning of soulmate might be a little bit
different than what it's defined as here.
So soulmates are those souls, those people who feel so familiar to us.
Right when you meet them, there's a sense of ease and like you've known them for a really
long time and that's kind of the idea is that you do, you have, you've known them through
past lives and you've kind of reconnected here on this earth for a reason.
But the difference here with love and this way to view soulmates is that a soulmate can
be a friend, it can be a sibling, it can be a partner, it can be anyone in your life who's
there to teach you something.
Now, I think the soulmate bond can be a difficult one as well because it's not just all the
warm and fuzzies that you think of when you think of someone who is there to bond with
you for life.
It's equal parts hard sometimes as it is beautiful and that's because we learn so many lessons
from the hardship, right?
And a lot of the times these soulmates will be in your life for just a bit, maybe just
a chapter or two or three or five, but not necessarily the entirety of your life.
So this was a game changer when I heard about this and we'll kind of come back to this,
but I want to talk about the two other definitions so that we can just have a common language
as we're talking about them.
So that's one.
Number two, bump contracts.
And this is a newer term for me, but when I heard about it, I was like, oh my God, yes,
like I completely understand this and I know you do too, Jen, so I have a feeling y'all
will.
But think about when someone comes into your life and it's kind of out of nowhere, but
again, there's this like really intense bond and they almost come into your life so hard
and fast that it seems to like bump you off of your path a little bit and kind of rattle
you and shake you and make you go, wait a minute, what am I doing here?
Like who is this person that just caused me to rethink my entire life?
So that's kind of bump contracts.
They are in your life for the shortest amount of time because they are there to be a teacher,
to have that awakening moment of like, wait a minute, is this current relationship I'm
in what I truly want?
So oftentimes this could be someone when you are in a committed monogamous relationship
and there's someone who comes into your life hard and fast and there's this instant sense
of wanting and it might be a little surface level, it might not be the deepest, it could
be, but they're not there to prolong any sort of relationship.
They're just there to teach you and then they leave your life as fast as they came in.
So that's two and then the last one is twin flames.
So this is where the love, the romanticism comes in and this is actually a teaching of
the Kabbalah and it said that when a soul is put here on earth, their soul, their spirit
is actually split into two and those two separate souls are put into two different bodies and
then they're put here on their lives on earth and a big part of their purpose here in life
is finding each other, finding that twin flame and when you find that twin flame, it is said
that you just feel whole and complete and a sense of ease and peace and like you don't
have to be seeking or grasping anymore happens.
So we have lots of feelings on that.
Jen, what do you think?
Yeah, so we were kind of talking out each of these beforehand and I also like to kind
of picture that we have this little like soul family bubble and this is definitely something
that I've had multiple people that we've like talked and had heart to hearts on this on
that as you do past life readings.
So that could be the Akashic record reading or doing a past life meditation guided that
you're able to see that some of the current relationships you've had in past lives, you've
had it in a different way.
So maybe your sister in your last life was your mom or maybe these relationship roles
have kind of altered throughout time, but there's still this general sense that you're
kind of traveling through things together and you're unpacking different things within
different lifetimes.
I love that thought as well because I do think it's really wild when you meet someone and
the familiarity that you feel on the inside is like so instant and there's really no other
explanation behind the fact that like, oh, we've done this before and we were 100% like
planning on meeting again in this life and it's just no work has to really be done.
It's just this instant magnet and it just like goes super smoothly.
We were talking about twin flames a little.
I know this got like so popular on TikTok for a while.
Like there was like a twin flame conversation going down all over and you know, I think
for twin flames, they really believe that you only have like one in this lifetime and
that it's like so intense, like right off the get go and so passionate and you know,
I'm not against this as a concept, but I definitely do feel like there can be so many different
soul interactions that can create that kind of bond.
I feel like that's happened to me like multiple times where there's been just like huge pieces.
So regardless of what each thing looks like and what distance, you know, what amount of
time I guess rather that you're spending with each of these people that like come into your
life.
I think it's really cool to think of it through the lens of soul contract because yeah, it's
just freaking wild with some people, you know, I've had some like, I've had so many crazy
weird experiences.
I feel like my life's always like these wild moments, but even for me and Kat's story,
right?
Like the amount of action steps, the fact that we both followed this random girls podcast
and then because of that, we joined this random girls Facebook page and then within that Facebook
page, we ended up in the same conversation thread and then you end up finding a group
that I started on Facebook off of that thread.
You decide to meet a stranger in the middle of the park in Colorado.
We meet for 30 minutes and then we end up creating an entire podcast after, after hanging
out one time and we just naturally click on every single thing that we've been able to
put out into the world together.
It's just like so obvious with some people that the lack of effort you have to do to
like build foundation just points to the fact that it was so natural and meant to happen.
You know what I mean?
It just blows my mind.
Like I have not been in that Facebook group since.
I know we just came for each other.
It was a quick, we really did like that.
We got what we needed and we knew that we had to be there for this reason.
We didn't know then, but now we know literally insane.
And I've had so many moments like that.
Like even how I met Danny was like super, um, super wild.
Just the fact that we both chose to go on this random video chat website in 2008 and
of all the millions of people on that webcam site, we like beat, we talked for three hours.
Danny makes a joke that he's going to marry me one day.
And then we talked for six years as pen pals and then just end up one day and meeting in
person and just being like, Oh my God, I've literally known you.
This is like so easy.
And I've had so many friendships that have come through that way, different romantic
relationships that have come through that way.
And I couldn't believe more that I have not interacted with these souls in other lifetimes.
Couldn't believe it.
Yeah.
Yeah, seriously.
It's like done, done.
I feel the same way about how Kyle and I met, like randomly chose to live, um, on the 18th
floor of this dorm at UMass.
And I started a Facebook group.
God, another Facebook group.
Facebook.
God, it's Facebook.
How I attract my soulmates.
God, I should probably.
Don't tell Mark.
No, I'm not.
I'm not going to tell Mark.
Yeah.
His ego does not need that.
We need him shut down.
Yeah, seriously.
But yeah, I just, I started a little Facebook group and found Kyle was one of maybe three
people who joined out of, who was a male and I creeped him.
I was like, Oh, he's cute.
And then met him.
We were next door neighbors of all places.
And there was a joke running like six months into even meeting each other that we were
husband and wife just because we were close and like, yeah, same fricking thing.
Got married 10 years later.
Wild.
Uh huh.
And you know what?
Like I, as you guys know, I'm very into astrology and I think astrology really points to this
like kind of soul contract or soul blueprint rather.
And like, you know, you can run your birth chart with other people's and there are so
many factors that can kind of point to compatibility or even point to, yeah, past life stuff within
astrology, which is so cool.
Like looking at if someone has like your sun sign is their moon sign, there can be like
really fun interactions.
If someone's like elements like sync up to you, like if your moon is in the same element
versus the same like, um, yeah, modality there is looking at like your North node, your North
node points to what your soul came here to master in this lifetime.
The sign it's in, if you attract a lot of people within that sign, that can be really
pointing to you're going towards the people that you're meant to focus on this life versus
the South node.
If you have a bunch of people in that sign, that can kind of point to like, okay, I'm
going into kind of like old patterns and old habits.
And I think it's also interesting, you know, where we are born points to a lot of things.
Like I love astro cartography, which kind of, I was hoping you would bring this up.
That's what I was just thinking about.
Yeah.
So astro cartography is taking like your, your birth chart and basically creating actual
locations within the world that you're going to feel the energy of that planet a little
bit more intensified.
And this has so many cool things to like unpack, but it's wild because where we're born sometimes
is just not under any of these like amplified energies as much.
And sometimes it's so obvious that we're meant to go to certain places.
And for me, I didn't even know about astro cartography.
And I don't know if I've shared this on the podcast, but like the most wild thing, um,
my Venus sign, Venus is the planet of love, right?
Goes right through the city that my husband, Danny was born, New London, Connecticut, just
a random direct pull of that line.
And Danny's Venus line goes right through Daytona beach.
And he was living right under my Jupiter line, which is the planet of luck and fortune right
when we met.
So there's just like all these weird things.
I also have had a patient who was really into astrology, which was freaking great.
And she was just telling me that she felt this huge pool when she was in her forties,
she was married, she felt this really big pool to go to Ireland and she like couldn't
shake it.
She's like, we didn't have a lot of money, but I knew that I like needed to go.
And she told me she walked into this little church in the village there and her husband
didn't want to go.
So she stayed back and she said right when she walked in, she was just like flooded with
this like deja vu was shown a bunch of visions.
And she said at that point, she completely knew that she needed to get a divorce.
She needed to change her life path.
She moved back home.
She went back home, flew back home, got a divorce, changed her complete trajectory of
her life from going under this energy.
And then she was like, and years later, I learned astrology and I look at that town
in Ireland and I had like so many lines going through that exact point.
It's crazy because my soul like knew to go there.
So it's even like this cool location thing and like where we go and when.
So it just points to this intuitive, intuitive understanding that there is a deeper meaning
behind like everything, you know?
Yeah, 100%.
And on that note too, it's not the craziest thing to hear about people who haven't found
that sense of deep love and connection in their lives, who are really into astrology,
who will literally travel to their Venus line to where that crosses that seems appealing
to them, that speaks to them looking for love.
And they'll just kind of move there on a whim and just staying open to people who come their
way.
Yeah, maybe a little tip.
Yeah, and I'll share one other cool like way that that presented.
So my sister is a freelance artist.
She does like a lot of cool creative projects.
She lives in Charlotte, North Carolina, but her planet of luck like is all the way in
Seattle, like Oregon area going along that West coast.
But that's where she gets like all her business from like a lot of times.
So it's cool because it doesn't always necessarily mean we have to go there, but it can kind
of point to something just to look at as like another lens of like, okay, maybe there are
like deeper signs and meanings behind my interactions and why and I've done this with so many friendships
and stuff just to see like how things can like potentially piece together.
So I think astrology is one lens.
And another lens is yeah, maybe playing with like past life meditations or doing a cauchic
record readings and seeing like how people have interacted with you and you might not
even necessarily need that extra validation because for some people like just looking
into their eyes and just that immediate like warmth and comfort.
It's so obvious that there has been something there before or deeper.
And then I think if people are bringing up patterns that are keeping you small, it's
maybe worth noting that maybe that person came into your life to evolve you up to a
certain point and maybe it's time for some of those relationships to either shift or
morph.
Yeah, I think sometimes we hold on to some relationships just for the sentiments of them
being in our lives for so long.
But when the truth is you've outgrown that friendship or that person and keeping them
in your life is keeping you small, as you said, and they're keeping you in old and green
patterns that are not allowing you to move forward on the path that you need.
So empowerment to pay attention to that and not just to hold on to someone or something
out of comfort, but actually taking a moment to decide like, is this the person?
Is this what I need right now?
Or is this limiting me in any ways?
And we've done a cord cutting ceremony episode on this podcast, but I do think, you know,
I look back and I had I had like some friendships that came for certain periods and then we
cut off from certain periods and then they would pop back in for certain periods and
then not.
So I do think there's people that just can bring out different sides of you and just
staying intentional about, yeah, if this is helping for your involvement or if this is
pulling you back to patterns that are actually not for your highest good.
And you can really deeply feel that not ignoring those things, because, yeah, the goal is
to continue to expand, to continue to find freedom, to continue to, yeah, contribute
to connection, society, the world.
Like, you know, there's so many deeper meanings behind why we are here.
And it's just important to note those things like my get a bump contract coming in hot,
you know, just to kind of shake things up.
I feel like I think when you talked about the bump contract definition to like, I definitely
have had friendships like I had one friendship that lasted probably about seven years and
there was so much growth in that friendship that happened within that time frame.
But we had a really like kind of traumatic end to our friendship.
It cut off very quick.
And then we just had zero communication for 10 years.
And I recently had them just like pop back into my life and it only lasted for like three
months, but it was crazy because when they came back into my life, it was like all this
stuff stirred up inside of me again.
But it's I had so much of this like spiritual lens at this point to look into it and to
kind of consider it through that lens.
And I think it helped me realize like, okay, yeah, I'm starting to that it was almost felt
like a little test.
It happened in the middle of my Saturn return that like, are you going to go back into this
pattern of like over giving and over, you know, extending yourself to the point where
you completely ignore your own needs?
Are you going to do that again within this or like, are you ready to like keep evolving?
And it was a very short lived thing.
And I think I got to practice boundaries that I had learned in a whole different way and
then communicate like I don't, you know, I don't normally attract this anymore.
Like I've been attracting people that really support me and honor my boundaries and don't
pull me back into the space that makes me feel like super guilty and little for doing
things for myself, you know, and that was very clear that that friendship kind of like
circled back around almost just to remind me of that.
And it felt like super sacred at that time.
Have you had some of those like little experiences to cap?
Oh my gosh, yes.
And I think that's so that is like the perfect example of a bump contract.
Just like takes you out of your routine, shakes you up a little bit, and it's kind of a test.
So one that really comes to mind for me was my relationship at high school.
It was three years.
It went on way longer than it should have.
But then again, like, who am I to question the contract of this person who has put my
life because now I'm able to look back and see all of the lessons and how I'm so grateful
that happened in my life when it did, because like, I'll be honest, it was the hardest time
in my life.
It was so shitty.
Like there was a lot of abuse.
There was mental, emotional, a little bit of physical.
And so I think it can be really difficult.
And it might feel even wrong to look back on someone like that as kind of a lesson.
But now that I'm removed from it, like 20 plus years removed from it, I can look back
and be like, oh my gosh, I, the person I was before this guy and the person I was after
this guy were very different people.
And I'm grateful for it because it taught me so much about who I wanted to be, what
was important to me, what I did not want to do to people.
Because like, just to give you an idea, I was friends with this girl.
She was dating this guy and I got with the guy and totally like screwed this girl over.
And so not one of my proud moments.
But I learned so much about myself and all of the events that happened because of my
choices and decisions.
And then how I felt like I was the problem and then I was the victim.
And then just so many different ways to look at each situation that happened.
Yeah, just tons of transformation happened from these bump contracts.
And I think in hindsight, it's a lot easier to look at things from a distance when you're
in it.
I think just giving yourself grace of like, okay, what the hell is happening with this
person who just came into my life and turned everything on its head?
But even being able to take a couple steps back and breathing and yeah, I think just
yeah, just taking it for what it is and then being able to reevaluate a little bit down
the line.
I think a good journaling prompts to all this stuff is what did this situation or relationship
like awaken me to that I didn't really have like visible and present before this?
And I do think yeah, it's a touchy conversation in a lot of ways.
I think for those who believe in soul contracts, it can make a lot of sense.
But I think it's, you know, there's obviously really, really tough situations we can go
through individually and to think that that was something that we would have agreed to
can feel, you know, really intense and really crazy.
But I do think that there is, you know, some validity to even the hardest situations putting
us on a completely different path than when we would be otherwise.
I think to my DUI, right, that was awful and terrible and cost me twenty six thousand dollars.
I literally could have died that night.
It was awful.
And there was so many like steps, like new friendships that came in that led to that
partying phase of my life being like really like turned up and like all these people that
just dropped me after something really bad happened to me.
But so much of that, like it changed the way I interacted with society.
It led to me being in like alcoholic anonymous groups and interacting with people like through
public transportation.
It completely changed the way I viewed so many different levels of society.
It like woken me up to like my humanitarian side.
I feel like I was completely catapulted into a different reality because of what would
have been like one of the worst things that ever happened in my life.
And yeah, I think as you said, Kat, it's really hard to like view that as it's happening.
But if you do subscribe to the belief that everything is just for this deeper soul growth
and that this one lifetime is just a little sliver of like this really greater thing that
is happening for all of us and also how we connect together, I think you can find like
a different perspective within that.
And even the perspective of having to view something, it doesn't have to necessarily
be through the lens of like forgiveness, but even just finding a way to see it through
a, okay, maybe this was for something deeper that I will never know.
It can also help you unattached to it and heal in different ways as well.
Yeah, I love that.
And so when you're thinking about the person who you want to be, the person that you love
when all of your best qualities are heightened, taking a look at the people in your life and
really asking yourself like, okay, do these like which of these people aligns with where
I'm going?
And which of these people maybe don't?
And being really honest with yourself and deciding maybe it is time to end a relationship.
It could be as simple as like an acquaintance or a coworker setting some boundaries, or
it could be as big as a romantic partner and deciding to uncouple and having a real intention
around that too.
You get to decide really.
Yeah.
And I love this as far as even just the people listening to this episode.
There's a reason we all kind of came together even for this conversation in this space for
you to hear this episode and for me and Kat to be able to share this information with
you.
I think there's the lens to look at it through what needs to fall away, but also remembering
the gratitude lens of like how beautiful is it that you are in this space at this exact
moment?
And like hearing this with us and the steps that it takes, the people that have just a
little influence to keep you conscious, keep you exploring other sides of yourself.
There's so many interactions that you go through each and every day that hold this significance.
And when you look around and view it through that, it just makes you feel just like everything
is the way it's meant to be.
It's a gratitude practice to look around and see that even just the people you're passing
on the streets, like it's freaking crazy.
You're passing them on the street.
Look at like where you were born and then this is happening right then.
Every single thing is special and I love to view life that way.
Yeah.
So we are all here in this moment and it's a gift.
And I think that the gratitude lens is the right way to look at it.
It's just the best way to find that peace.
And we are not meant to be isolated beings.
Because one thing I'm sure of in this life, it's that we are all here to awaken together.
Oh, so good.
So does a tagline.
Oh.
Well, we...
Oh, so if you're interested in astral cartography, Jen, again, does amazing birth chart readings.
Jen, do you have any good recommendations for astral cartography and where we can find
it?
Yeah, honestly, if you just type it into Google, the first couple things that'll pop up are
really cool to look at it.
It's definitely its own deep dive on its own.
It's going to look really crazy.
You're going to see this map with like a million lines on it.
But if you click on each line, it'll give you a little bubble.
But it also is connected to your own personal birth chart.
So looking at kind of the elements within that is important as well.
It's kind of its own depth.
I know there's definitely readers that specialize particularly in astral cartography.
But yeah, I think it's just a really cool tool just for fun to play.
And I always recommend the pattern app.
I love that app.
And you can just type in, you can do custom profiles or have you and your loved ones or
friends like put in their birth chart information and you can run your bonds on the pattern.
It's really fun to see how different birth charts interact.
I also know websites like Astro Cafe does compatibility charts.
So you can search like astrology compatibility reports and you can pull up just like how
you interact with different people.
So if you want to view it through the lens of astrology, we also have had Jen Hoffman
on here who does Akashic Record readings.
And Akashic Record readings definitely can help you see visions of past lives and maybe
how you interacted with people before.
Or you can just go on YouTube and search past life regression meditations and see if maybe
something is shown to you through that way too.
If you want to do it a nice, cheap and fun way and see how it goes.
Yes there are so many tools out there.
So we hope that this gives you that excitement and an idea of where you want to further your
own knowledge.
So let us know if you have any questions.
We love hearing from you all and we'll see you all next time.
Thanks for being my soulmate Kat.
Love you Jen.
Thank you.
Bye.