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Hello everyone and welcome to the Awaken Together podcast. I am Jen and it's just going to be

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me and a special guest for this episode. I want to start off by apologizing for my raspy

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voice but I know our guest speaker has so much to say. She has the most beautiful brain.

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We met on TikTok and literally ended up discovering that our life was full of synchronicities

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from both having ADHD, both being yoga teachers, both being physical therapy assistants, and

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both having a love of TikTok and putting concepts together, bringing a bunch of conversation

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topics and merging them together, which is like just so beautiful to like have conversations

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with our special guest, Oriana. Welcome. Hi. Hi. Sorry so much for my voice. Like it's

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just really squeaking. I am so happy you are on and I'm so happy that the world like brought

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us together with like the just the way we think. I nerd out on mind and body stuff with

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people all the time and they just don't quite connect all the dots the way you do. And so

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I love you for that. I know I love like whenever I'm unsure about something, I'm like, I know

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Jen will understand. It's so special. It really has. And so yeah, we are gonna really delve

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in. Oriana has a background in pelvic health. She branched out from physical therapy school

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and really put her focus on that. And you might be wondering why pelvic health is a

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topic for a spiritual awakening podcast. But Oriana, do you want to share a little bit

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about how some of that pieces together and just kind of paint the picture of what you

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do? Yeah, so I do work in pelvic health physical therapy. And for those that don't know, it

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means that I work with a pelvic floor muscles and all the muscles that and everything in

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the body that affects the pelvic floor muscles. So I work with the diaphragm. I work on regulating

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the nervous system, trying to decrease muscle tone or increase muscle tone. And I work with

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the spine, etc. But I love what I do, because a huge part of it is just focusing on the

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nervous system. And I after like going to school and starting from a yoga background,

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focusing on meditation, you know, having so many like aha moments in my life, where I

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just felt so at peace and at one with my own body, my nervous system, and which is like

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everything in the universe. Having those aha moments and then learning that those aha

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moments are moments where you're just connecting with your nervous system, like where you just

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your nervous system is at peace. That's when I realized that like, treating your nervous

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system correctly is probably one of the most spiritual practices that you could ever have.

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So it's a really I don't, you know, tell patients that I'm like, Oh, this is a spiritual practice

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for you, especially if that's not what they asked for. But I definitely love focusing

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on the nervous system. And a huge part of that affects your pelvic floor in so many

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ways. Yeah. So on our podcast, we have, we have definitely delved into trauma work, we've

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talked about the nervous system, but just for a quick review, you have like two branches

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of the nervous system, one that responds as like our stress response. So flight, flight,

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freeze and fawn. Then you have the parasympathetic nervous system, which teaches our body to

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rest and regulate and self soothe and feel safe. And there's really just like such a

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correlation to being in high stress, not knowing how to find mindfulness, not knowing how to

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ground down into your body. And then having all this dysfunction pop up in our bodies

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because of that our physical, our physical bodies really show the state of our nervous

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system. And the pelvic floor is like a huge map for that, right?

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Oh my gosh. Yeah. And so like two things with that, um, I will tell a story about a patient

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I had, um, that was not related to public floor, accessible tree ortho too. So I had

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this one patient who got into a really big car accident and she hurt her wrist really

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bad. And then this is a few years later, we're treating her training for a triathlon and

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she kept feeling this really bad wrist pain, but she got imaging done. We were working

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on her. We couldn't find anything wrong with her wrist. She was just training for this

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triathlon. She was in a lot of stress and that fire flight type of response. And then

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once the triathlon was done, her wrist stopped hurting. And so it was just kind of a big

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reminder that your body really does remember times when it was in pain. So the same thing

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happens with your pelvic floor where maybe you felt shame about your public floor at

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some point in your life. Maybe somebody had came into your space at some point in your

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life. Um, little things like that have, can make your pelvic floor contract and stay contracted.

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Um, and, or your public floor is one of the first set of muscles to contract when you're

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stressed. Um, and we can go into like why that happens, but it's one of the first set

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of muscles to contract when you're stressed. So if you're constantly in that upregulated

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state, then your public floor is just going to get tighter and tighter and tighter. And

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that tension can eventually lead to pain. Yes. Thank you for sharing that. And, and

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yeah, educating it's, it really is fascinating because I think sometimes we can get so addicted

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to that stress mode. We don't even realize how much dysfunction it's causing us. It can

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feel like a sense of control when you've stayed in that stress response so long. But I mean,

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from years of working with patients too, I have nine years as a PTA, I've seen so many

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patients that I'm, I'm treating them for, you know, certain diagnoses says or certain

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injuries. And as I get them to focus on what they feel in their bodies, slowing down, connecting,

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I've had so many people's like trauma stories come up and you've definitely like nerded

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out about this because it's wild that there's not so much of a bridge in the way we're taught

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in healthcare for mind, body, spirit, thinking. And yet when you're in the field and you

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know how to kind of hold space for those things and you really teach people to tune in and

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calm down, a lot of stuff can come up, a lot of stories. Yeah, a lot. And it is, I would

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say one of the hard parts about my job is that sometimes you'll get people realizing

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that they need to process things that are very intense for them. And like, sometimes

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whenever you see that literally happening right in that moment, it could be a little

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bit of a bummer, but it's still a good, like it's such a cool job to have in the sense

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where it's like, Hey, I can just be like this avenue for you to figure out like what else

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you need to dive into mentally and emotionally. Yeah. And you're teaching them a lot of tools

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that regardless of how much they're willing to go into the story behind it, you're teaching

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them a lot of tools that in time will help regulate them anyway. But yeah, we'll give

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a little trigger warning before this part so we can kind of delve in, but I would love

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to hear just kind of, um, yeah, some of the stuff you've seen coming up with the pelvic

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floor. I know me and you have talked about this in conversation a little bit with kind

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of a religious trauma background, but I know you also see a lot of dysfunctional stuff

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in the pelvic floor when people have a history of SA and other things that have happened.

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Yeah, it is. That's a huge part of it. And like I said before, like if your pelvic floor

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had to contract because you're stressed when a stressful event happened and that stressful

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event was extremely traumatic, then the likelihood of it contracting again, when that area is

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reached, let's say during childbirth or during intimate time with somebody else, then that

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will definitely come up and cause pain. Um, and then the religious trauma background part

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is so interesting to me because it's off, not, I don't know. Oftentimes it's not necessarily

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like touched, but people feel so much shame and they've learned to like tell themselves

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that, Hey, I shouldn't, I shouldn't like feel good when it comes to my pelvic floor area.

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I shouldn't address it. I shouldn't pay attention to it. It's bad. Or if they do anything to

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the public floor on their own, they feel really guilty. They just feel so guilty for like

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very normal human feelings, like to have these like very like hormonal things happen in your

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pelvic floor. They feel so guilty about it. And then they come in and they have what's

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called like a lot of them have that, that just, I can't say the word that just miss

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miss, you know, dyslexia. I can't say the word right now, but it's, um, it's basically

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when the entryway of your pelvic floor doesn't want to open up, it doesn't want to open up

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at all. And so that can lead to a lot of public floor dysfunction, a lot of pain, a lot of

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pain with intercourse, et cetera. So, um, that part blows my mind and it's such a shame

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because the public floor, like, I don't know, I've been thinking about this a lot lately,

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that if you create a child by enjoying a time with a partner and that's like one of the

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most beautiful things that you can have, it's a shame that religious trauma has made you

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feel shame for that. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. And coming from a, yeah,

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I've shared on this podcast many a times my religious trauma background, but it's a, it's

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a thousand percent true. Like, I just don't think a lot of people without the background

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of it realize how much shame and stigma that adds on top of a society that already really

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hasn't made us feel like inherently safe and like, uh, bleeding bodies. Like it's just,

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there's a lot of shame and secret around your period, a lot of shame and secret around how

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your body's holding weight. There's just so much critique. And over time that starts to

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have you not feel like you can move your body certain ways. You're uncomfortable with certain

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pelvic movement. You're uncomfortable. Yeah. With touching and, and, uh, connecting to

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that space. And so much of that is teaching yourself. I mean, we know like a lot of like,

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it helps calm your pelvic floor. It's a huge regulator to be able to self pleasure and

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connect with that and be sensual and dance. Dancing even has a huge correlation to being

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able to activate the other part of your nervous system that actually makes things relax and

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regulate. It regulates your hormones, your blood sugar, your appetite. Like so many things

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are connected when you feel like you actually belong in your body. So it's unreal how much

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it all correlates and connects. Yeah. It blows my mind. Cause even thinking about the chakra

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system, um, that's where the sacral chakra is at. And that's about creativity, going

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with the flow, just like very like womb like features. Um, a lot of just like really like

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good, good, good vibes. And I feel like it, I don't know, it just, it's something I think

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about a lot. Um, I don't know. Yeah. That route, that route and sacral, I think is one

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of the most common to get dysfunctional. I feel it a lot when I do Reiki on people and

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it's, I just, I think there's a really big trust and fully connecting to that side of

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yourself. Also the opposite is way over connecting to sexuality and pleasure and constant, like

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wanting to stay safe and comfortable. That's the other side, which is just as much of a

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dysregulation, but there is supposed to be to such a perfect balance and nurturing that

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space and you don't see it a lot. And I definitely, my route was my most dysfunctional for a really,

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really long time. And I definitely learned a lot about pelvic health as I went into physical

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therapy. And I definitely watched as I connected and learned that there was no way that I,

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I remember actually one of the first kind of like aha moments for me. I, I started getting

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uncomfortable around other people, like expressing certain things. I definitely started getting

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into people pleasing mentality, but I started real, really reflecting when I realized that

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I couldn't even do stuff by myself. Cause I felt weird about it. And I was like, if I

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can't even dance in a room by myself when no one is watching like sensually and like

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moving my hips and lowering to the ground and like feeling like every movement is safe,

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like how much distrust do I have for my own body? And I think like it was really in that

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moment of knowing I can't even move my body certain ways by myself that I was like, I

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needed to start nurturing and fixing this relationship to me. And that was done through

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a lot of touching and connecting to that space. And like even just holding pressure around

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my root and like learning to breathe with it, like little things that definitely, I

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think because of my religious trauma, I thought certain movements were gonna taunt the men

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in my life or yeah, God was going to look down on me. I definitely had a lot of those

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stories ingrained in my body and to heal it and feel safe again, I had to do a lot of

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work in that area.

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Which is just such a shame. Like I said, it's just such a, like that whole area can be such

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a beautiful part of your life. And it's also a really important part of your life because

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so many people come in, like basically I was gonna say this too. So like the way that your

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pelvic floor works is that every single time that you breathe in, your pelvic floor ideally

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will relax and every single time that you exhale, your pelvic floor will contract. And

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so as you take like more shallow breaths, whenever you're stressed out, your pelvic

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floor tends to stay up a little bit. And then if you take more deeper breaths, then your

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pelvic floor tends to move around a lot more. And I don't know, I just, I forgot where I

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was going with that, but.

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That is so helpful to have that picture.

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But yeah, it's just like, I think that like being able to have that breath and like being

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able to just kind of connect. I don't know.

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Well, I think, I think because you had yoga teacher background, you probably were able

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to start connecting, you know, to a lot of your body beforehand, which is why we love

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to share how important yoga is because yoga does regulate your nervous system and build

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a connection to your body and a trust with your body. But yeah, tell me how much you

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use breath work to kind of navigate some of this stuff with clients and what you have

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seen struggle wise with breath work. Cause breath work really sets the tone for our nervous

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system and then sets the tone for our pelvic floor and then sets the tone to how we relate

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to others and how we show up. And I mean, it's all there.

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Yeah. So that's actually like yoga's reason why I got into this in the first place. Cause

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when I was in the PTA school, I was just like, I don't know what I want to do. Like I don't

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really see myself working in like an orthopedic clinic. And then we got to the public health

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lecture and I was like, Oh my gosh, is this focused on the diaphragm, focused on pelvic

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floor relaxation. This is everything. So that's what got me into it. And all that was like

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all of its breath, right? So I literally teach breath to every single patient and I teach

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different types of breathing. For those that don't know, whenever you exhale, your heart

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rate decreases, right? Like your heart rate goes down and every single time that you inhale,

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your heart rate has to increase. So that way it's taking in more oxygen and pumping it

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through the blood. And so whenever you are in like a upregulated state, you want to exhale

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longer. So that way you can slow down your heart rate. So I teach that kind of stuff

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to my patients all the time, but sometimes you'll get patients who are like, I just can't

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breathe. They get so lightheaded with that. And there's a lot of different tactics that

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you can use to kind of help people with that. I'm doing like open mouth exhales or like

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the cleansing breath that people do in yoga or having people like move as they breathe,

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like with cat cow, thread the needle, that kind of stuff, making people do that usually

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helps them actually begin to breathe a little bit better. And then some of my favorites

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are like telling people, Hey, I want you to breathe in pause, exhale pause. And like just

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having them go through that a little bit and then being there, just like put your hand

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on your belly, focus on how that feels going up and down, those types of things.

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I use breath seriously in so many different ways. And I usually get the response of being

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like, normally I get lightheaded, but that helps. And I think it's because breath should

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be like, we should understand how to breathe more in every profession. And just telling

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somebody, Oh, you should try breathing. Like it doesn't work like that. Like you have to

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address it in a certain way to make it accessible to every person. Does that make sense?

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Absolutely. Absolutely. And it's, yeah, breath work is super, super undervalued. And it's

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also something that it's tough to paint the picture, you know, when I share yoga, some

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people like, I'm not into it. And it's like, honestly, I wish I could tell you it's like

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a non-negotiable because we all desperately need a practice that's making us focus on

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our breath. And that is just like kind of a check all boxes. But I just think, I think

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it's hard to make yourself sit and like, do the work on that. And I think it can feel

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kind of unnecessary or silly. And especially since our body gets addicted to the way we

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are breathing and adapts really fast, it can feel so foreign and difficult that it doesn't

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feel necessary to work on. But what, what comes as a result of focusing on that is like

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night and day different. I think we all felt it doing yoga, but maybe didn't fully piece

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together what we were doing. I did physical therapy first, then yoga. And it's funny because

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you did yoga, then physical therapy. And I got it right away. And I fully understood

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like what was happening as I was in yoga teacher training, except I also think that, you know,

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I had a lot to learn on like the surrendering part, because I was so into yoga at first

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just because of the breath work and the correlation to physical therapy that it was kind of, it

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took me a lot more time to kind of like let go into the flow state of yoga. Cause I was

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like overanalyzing, you know? Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Yeah. Classic, classic. Yes.

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But I also love, so you work on a lot of exercise in addition to, so can you talk a little bit

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about how I think exercise, this is another thing that I've unpacked, especially through

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Tik Tok, people get very defensive when you talk about the importance of exercise. I think

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there is so much diet culture and body shame, stigma, and all these expectations around

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exercise and what it looks like and what it's for that I think when you bring up the term

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exercise, it's just so triggering and so shame provoking. I really liked the term body movement,

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but you know, me and you are both very passionate about body movement and how it connects. Can

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you talk a little bit about how that is a huge part of regulating your nervous system?

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Oh my gosh. It's huge. So I just like to preface this too, that I grew up from a family background

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where nobody really moved or they really struggled with fitness. They really struggled with their

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bodies. So I didn't grow up around people who were moving a lot like ever and learning

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how to find a movement practice for me was really, really, really difficult. And so a

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lot of the stuff that I talk about usually comes from a place of being like, look, I

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know how hard it is to get up and get started, but like, let me give you the very basics

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that you can do. So that's like thing number one. Thing number two is that the nervous

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system, like some people are in those, like they're in such a fight or flight response

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that they're in that freeze response where they're in that dorsal vagal state. So you

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actually need to get their heart rate up. And then there's also those people who are

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like way too up, like way too up regulated and they need to, you know, come on down.

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So you can use the body with movement with both of those. So you can do things like trying

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to raise the heart rate up, trying to stimulate certain muscle groups. And it doesn't even

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have to be that complicated. It could be something as simple as like if you're in a freeze state,

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you know, like calming your nervous system down and then trying to like push into stuff

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so that way your core will work. Those really, really help. And then also if you're like

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super duper up regulated movement, nice slow steady movement with your breathing can really

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like down regulate to use up that energy. So it really depends on like what state you're

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in, but movement is medicine. That's like my biggest thing is like, no matter what movement

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you need, it's still going to be what you need, whether it's like a nice calm, like

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flow or something that's going to kind of like wake you back up again.

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Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. Thank you for the examples too. And yeah, I, I, I am such, I know me

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and you probably are so similar in our routines, but I am doing like body work a lot. Like

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it's, I've just really lumped it in, I think with both of us being neurodivergent and we're

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both dyslexic by the way, which is a fun little like add on to, but yeah, I think because

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of my ADHD, I've had to like really lump task. I also struggled. I was a very overweight

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kid. I had lots of body shame issues growing up. I had mom that talked about her body weight

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all the time. It was just so much was built around it. That exercise, like the doctors

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have been telling me to exercise since I was so little. I didn't, yeah, I just had such

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a bad relationship to what it even looked like, what it was for. I never would have

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thought it's for regulating my nervous system to help me feel safe in my body, to help me

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be able to move energy in my body, to help me with greater connection to this earth,

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the people around me, who I am, like it's such a spiritual, it's such a spiritual thing.

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And when you start changing your relationship to it, a lot of that starts unpacking, but

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I just had to lump a lot of task. Like I sit on the couch and when I'm watching TV, I'm

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like sitting on a ball or I'm bouncing, or I put ankle weights on and I'll just lay on

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the floor and just do a couple of movements every now and then. Like I'm always playing

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with my body. And I think me and you are both very sensitive to this, which I appreciate

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on your TikTok. I know we're coming from the same place with this, but it's never going

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to look one way for everybody. The same things that can calm somebody's body could be the

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very thing that stimulates someone else's. So there's never like a all encompassing thing,

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although breath work is probably the closest to all encompassing, but there's never going

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to be one set of movement patterns that is going to fully be perfect, but really playing

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with what feels pleasurable in your body, what feels like it's leaving you feeling better,

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playing with that stuff. We just love to give people a lot of tools for their toolbox on

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our TikToks for little things you can play with that you can add to your daily routine,

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like getting up and shaking, or I like to put ankle weights while I'm like doing the

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dishes or even just walking around the house. So I'm getting extra resistance while I'm

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walking around, like simple little tiny changes instead of this picture of like this perfect

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gym routine for 45 minutes and monitoring your heart rate. That's like one of the biggest

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things I always tell people too. It's like, I realistically, if I'm giving you a set of

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exercises to do at home, I see you doing like one in the morning, one in the afternoon,

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and maybe like two at night. Like I don't expect people to like suddenly become these

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like gym rats when they come into. And then the same thing goes with like, if I'm trying

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to prescribe, not prescribe, but like trying to give, you know, down regulation type of

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techniques. It's like, I don't expect you to come in and be like super Zen next time

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I see you. Like connecting with your body and finding what works for you takes a lot

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of time. And it takes dedication to just be like, you know what, I'm going to like stay

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connected. And I think it's important too, to recognize that like, because there is so

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much trauma and so much difficulty that comes around, like connecting with your body, like

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when you connect to your body, you've been scared to connect with it for a while because

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of pain or whatever. It's scary. It's like so scary. Like you'll start to like thoughts

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will come up, things will come up and be like, Oh no, I'm afraid of that. Oh my gosh, what

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is that? Like, Oh, I don't like how I'm thinking about that. That's like really scary. And

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so I think it's important to recognize that like people go through that and that's normal

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and like maybe seeing a mental health professional would help too, but, but still moving through

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it and just like letting those emotions and those thoughts and just like that discomfort

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at first when you're initiating something, letting that kind of like pass over you is

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probably one of the most powerful things you can do to get over it. You know? Yeah. And

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so I've talked about emotional releases that happen in yoga, like while you're connecting

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with your breath, teaching your body to feel safer. Sometimes that will really be the facilitator

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and you're opening spaces up that also close off from trauma. So when you're highly stressed,

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your body pulls yourself into more protective patterns. It tightens your hip flexors. It

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tightens your chest muscles. So when you're in yoga and you're taught to like all of a

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sudden expand those spaces, it can definitely bring a lot of stuff up. I've had a lot of

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cries on my yoga mats, tons of students crying. And I do think it's helpful when you have

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a yoga class or yoga teacher, someone there to make you feel safe. It can be hard to have

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a lot of that come up alone, but I'll share in my journey. Like I started doing a lot

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of mirror work when I told you I couldn't even like be behind closed doors and dance.

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So I started just trying and a lot came up, but I also knew it was for my better good.

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And I think I could override a little bit that I was safe because this was something

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that I actually needed. And I think before I would have maybe written it off as being

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like unnecessary because I was just so scared of the vulnerability behind it. But as I let

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myself start moving and connecting to my form, like, and what it looks like in the mirror

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and how I touch myself and just trying to break that disconnect, I would do it in really

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small doses, like, you know, start off like two songs maybe and just try. And then I'd

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sit with what came up and just do a song of breathing or pull my journal out and write

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about it because it took baby steps. It took baby steps for me to not feel weird. And it

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took a long time for me to develop that relationship that I really was never given a fair chance

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with in my childhood to connect to.

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And it's important to, I think about this a lot, the parallel between resistance exercise

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and things in your life. So whenever you choose a, we have to go against resistance in order

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to strengthen a muscle. That's just like, whether that resistance is gravity or it's

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us kind of pushing into something, you have to go against something of resistance eventually

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if you want to get stronger. But that initial resistance sucks. It's hard. It's not comfortable.

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It's not fun. We feel weak. And it's like that happens with so many other parts of our lives

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too. So like being able to feel comfortable with yourself, being able to kind of get past

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those vulnerable moments, they may feel like a little uncomfortable at first. So like you

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have to push whenever you're going through resistance and it may be uncomfortable at

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first. But if you do it little bit by little bit, you're just going to get stronger and

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stronger as you push through it.

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Yeah. And that's a great reframe for exercise. A few other things I like tell people is just

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to remember that it has exercise is, has nothing to do with how it's going to change your physical

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form. Like what's going to make you like lose weight or put on muscle. Like I feel like

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that should be the last reason to do exercise body movement. I think it's so important because

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it teaches you how to work with your breath. It teaches you how to tune into sensations.

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It is mindfulness at its basis. When you are exercising, it's very hard for that monkey

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mind and like overthinking and all those like excessive thoughts. It's hard for those to

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come in as loud. And so exercise for me is one of the only things I can do to like shut

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my brain off for like a second, which is huge for me. And I really developed a relationship

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to that silence that comes when I'm moving my body took a long time to get there, but

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it's so, it's so freaking important. And for me, I mean, I realized how much it was going

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to like loosen energetic like holds that my body had. And at the same time, every little

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bit of movement practices you're doing is overall painting a picture to down regulate

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your nervous system to where you are not in high stress because those stress hormones

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that pump through your body, when you are in toxic sympathetic nervous system response

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up regulation, it starts to destroy your body. So it's so important. Exercise is not there

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to feel like this threatening thing. It's really there to develop a relationship mind

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and body, which ends up like plugging you back into what, what the beauty of this whole

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thing is.

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I agree. And I think like, even if you think about sensory needs and how like tapping into

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what your sensory needs are, it helps out with you regulating your nervous system. You

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know, it's like, if you just kind of figure out what makes you feel good sensory wise

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while you're moving, you'll probably find more enjoyment out of it, which will help

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to down regulate your nervous system. So absolutely. We're so, yeah, we love our sensory cat also

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is so into sensory stuff and sensory is teaching your body are safe. When you focus on one

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of your senses, it's giving yourself an input to like hone in and stay mindful and stay

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present. I've made a lot of Tik TOKs about adding sensory input to your meditation. So

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touching, uh, adding touch sensation, adding weight, adding a visual thing to stare at,

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like putting something beautiful on the screen or, uh, doing a candle, creating incense,

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something that hones you in. And I've shared this on here before as well, but I'll say

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it again. When you really hone into the five senses, you really start to strengthen your

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sixth sense and you really start to be able to hear your intuition a lot more, which is

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where I think mind and body ends up becoming like mind, body, spirit.

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Exactly. I use that five, four, three, two, one, that sensory, um, meditation. I use it

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so much every single day at work. Like, yeah, go ahead and share it. So we have it. Yeah.

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So for those who, it's a pretty popular one for those who don't know it yet. I'm so glad

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that you're listening because this is one of my favorites. It's you look and see five

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things and you notice these things in detail. So you notice five things in your environment

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and then you listen to four things. So like what four sounds do you hear? You feel three

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things. It could be like the temperature. It could be fabric on your skin. It could

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be what muscles are contracting. You find two things. I like to find two things that

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I can taste because I can differentiate two types of tastes in my mouth. And then one

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thing that you smell, but you can flip up those two if it's easier for you to smell

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two things and then taste one thing. Um, but you just kind of do that as you're like breathing

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and just kind of recognizing what's going on in the moment. And sometimes I'll have

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people say their things out loud, especially if they're really stressed. Um, but if they're

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in a little bit more of like a relaxed state, I'll actually just have them not react to

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those questions. I'll say just observe. So that way, instead of like thinking with words,

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like what exactly they notice just to try and like be there and observe that and like

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really experience that. Um, it's one of the best. Yeah. And every time you allow yourself

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to go into that state, you're turning off that chronic stressful thinking pattern and

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you're slowly teaching your body to pay attention. And I promise you know, or Oriana's life paths

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have definitely been like the recipe to show it works. But the more you do those little

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things, just that more easy and more natural it comes. And I promise it doesn't feel as

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big of a thing down the road. You know, the stuff getting on my yoga mat used to be a

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very hard thing. And now I feel like I'm just like living like a yoga lifestyle all the

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time, like constantly tuning in mindfully, but it's, it's, it pieces together. It pieces

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itself together over time. So as tough as some of these feats can seem, your whole body

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will work as one. If you just slowly start giving a little bit more mindfulness practices

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in, like I said, I really think connect with your nervous system and trying to have your

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nervous system be at peace. It truly is one of the most spiritual. Like I've always said

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this people who like, if people are praying, if people are meditating, if people are even

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going to like a music festival and just really in the moment, we've all had those moments

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where we've just been so connected, right? Like you feel so connected and at one with

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the universe, whether you're sitting by yourself praying or you were, you know, dancing in

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a dance field, like there's those moments where you just feel so at one. And it's usually

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those moments when everything in your body is just like so connected. You know what I

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mean? And like, yeah, I just really think that those moments when you're so connected

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to your nervous system, that's what we're supposed to be doing. Like that's what our

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spiritual practices and like that is spirituality in itself. If that makes sense.

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Absolutely. I fully agree. I freaking love it and we all need it. So just to review,

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like really looking at the dysfunction in your body, if something is popping up, maybe

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playing with techniques to regulate. So now we know our pelvic floor can also be a window

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into some of that stuff. Looking at what kind of things you can add onto your path to regulate,

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whether that's shaking, making sounds, finding a movement practice, working with a specialist,

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like a pelvic floor therapist so that you can figure out how you're breathing and what

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you need to do. And yeah, yoga, these things that really teach your body to slowly feel

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safe so that you can actually have everything working as one. Our breath matters, our movement

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matters, how we connect with each other matters and all of this definitely pieces together.

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Yeah, I agree. So Oriana, I love your brain. Thank you. Can you share some ways people

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can connect with you and support you? Yeah, so you can find my website is orianabargarmovement.com.

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You can find me at orianabarger on TikTok and on Instagram. And if you love astrology,

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I recently started a fun little astrology account too. It's called Jupiter is serotonin

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because I believe that it is so that's where you can find me. We are going to have to have

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you on another time to do an astrology nerd out. I would love that. And just to spell

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your name. It's O R I A N A and then Barger B A R G E R. Thank you for being here. Love

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you. I love you too. Thank you so much. Yeah, talk soon. Bye.