Hello and welcome to a new episode of the Awaken Together podcast.
I'm Kat.
I'm Jen.
And in today's episode, we are doing a deep dive in the Enneagram.
The Enneagram.
Yay!
Jen is stoked.
This is like her world.
I'm a nerd on Enneagram.
How many times have we referenced Enneagram and this episode hasn't happened?
So we are here.
It is happening.
It's overdue.
We are so excited for it.
So if you are unfamiliar with the Enneagram, just to give you a little bit of info before
I hand it off to Jen and she takes us away into another realm with it, Enneagram is a
language rather than a personality quiz.
So while many other behavioral systems and personality typing models are really based
towards the what and the how of what you do, Enneagram is different because it is really
focused on the ability of describing what motivates you and why you engage in the world
that way, the way that you do.
And Enneagram, it can help you figure out what things trigger you and understand that
we all react disproportionately to different dynamics or different emotions.
And it helps us understand why that is.
It also helps us identify our reactive behaviors to stress and also points out that we have
choices in how we respond.
Absolutely.
And I highly recommend if you have never taken an Enneagram test that you maybe pause the
episode and go and take it so you know what your number is.
That's going to help you as you go through this episode to kind of hear maybe what fits
for you.
Yeah, one website that we recommend, well, if you want to do that right now, it's to
go to eclecticenergies.com.
You could Google Eclectic Energies Enneagram test.
It's free, whereas some of the other websites try to charge you.
So this is a good one that we found.
Definitely.
And then you have your number and you might get a result that has a number with a little
W and another number.
So we'll talk about what that means to have a little wing, but whatever number comes first
on your result, that is your main type.
And I will explain what all of that means as we go along.
But the Enneagram for me, I probably discovered it, I want to say about four years ago, and
it was one of the first tools that I think really helped me see myself from an outside
perspective.
We talk a lot about self analysis and kind of figuring out why you do what you do, which
is kind of dismantling the ego.
I feel like the Enneagram gave me a beautiful checklist of what my fears were, how I responded
in stress, where my ease and growth was what inspired me.
And I was able to really work with a lot of my childhood wounds with my Enneagram number.
I felt like it was one of the best tools for shadow work.
And when I got into it, I had a lot of my friends, a lot of my family take this test
and I was really able to look at the interpersonal connection between numbers, look at why we
hit rough patches and stuff.
And I felt like it really helped me depersonalize a lot of the responses people have.
It's sometimes hard to remember that we each are battling kind of our own, yeah, our own
way of being based on our past experiences, behaviors, family dynamics, traumas.
And a lot of times when we see someone respond a certain way, we can say, why did they have
to act like that?
That doesn't make any sense.
And you can take it really personal and feel hurt by others actions.
The Enneagram for me helped to kind of give a way to view other people and to do it in
a way where I'm extending compassion to their own personal quirks.
And it also helped me kind of come up with more communication strategies because once
I knew the motive behind a lot of numbers, I was able to use that as a tool to better
understand people.
And that for me was huge.
Yeah, can be really easy to judge people when you don't know where they're coming from.
Right.
So I know you have had like everyone in your life do the Enneagram test to have this like
greater understanding.
And I have like pretty much all the people closest to me.
I know their numbers too.
It's so helpful.
Absolutely.
So let's do it.
I'm going to give you a breakdown of each of the types.
And there are nine Enneagram types.
So we'll go through the list just so you can hear what all the numbers are and then we'll
take it from there.
So type one is the very first one.
They are known as the perfectionist.
They are very ethical, dedicated and reliable, and they are motivated by a desire to live
the right way to improve the world and avoid fault and blame.
So this is definitely your standard like type A personality.
Type one's a really come off strong and doing things kind of in a checklist form.
Type twos are the helpers, cough cat.
They are known as being warm, caring and giving.
They are motivated by a need to be loved and needed and to avoid acknowledging their own
needs.
So that is their top struggle is putting so much work into other people that sometimes
their own needs go neglected.
I'm also married to a type two, but we'll get into that.
The next type is type three.
They are known as the achievers, the performers.
They are success oriented, image conscious and are wired for productivity.
They are motivated by a need to be or appear to be successful and to avoid failure.
Type threes are like our traditional like workaholics that are like in the office all
day long.
Type fours are known as the individualists.
I've also seen them referred to as the romantics.
They are creative, sensitive and moody.
They are motivated by a need to be understood and experience their oversized feeling and
avoid being ordinary.
Another term for type fours is like the starving artists that like nobody understands me.
So I'll channel it into my work.
Type fives are known as the investigators.
They are analytical.
They can be a bit detached and private.
They are motivated by a need to gain knowledge, conserve energy and avoid relying on others.
These are people known as your classic introverts.
They usually, a lot of people say they like hardly ever meet type fives because type fives
are not leaving the house nearly as much as the other members.
My dad's a type five and he has been in his room since 1962.
Type sixes, this is me.
They are the loyalists.
They are committed, practical and witty.
They are worst case scenario thinkers who are motivated by fear and a need for security.
So type sixes are most commonly your comedians.
They have like that anxiety that they channel into like dark humor or sarcastic humor.
That's usually your sixes, but underneath it is a pretty anxious temperament.
Type sevens are the enthusiasts, fun, spontaneous and adventurous.
They are motivated by a need to be happy and plan stimulating experiences and to avoid
pain.
In type sevens, it's not just casual.
They avoid pain.
Like they really avoid pain.
Like if you even tried to talk to them about something deeper, they're the type that'll
like, yeah, start turning up the music and just start dancing like complete avoidant
behavior, but they are so fun to be around because they will just completely not go into
any of the dark side of things.
Type eights are known as the challengers.
They are commanding and tense and confrontational.
They are motivated by a need to be strong and avoid feeling weak or vulnerable.
Type eights are known as your debaters.
They're the people that often want to constantly provoke in some type of way, like ask you a
question like, well, why would you think that they're traditionally the ones that are going
to kind of stir the fire in social settings?
And then type nine, our final number is the peacekeeper.
They are pleasant, laid back and accommodating.
They are motivated by a need to keep the peace, merge with others and avoid conflict.
Type nines are also kind of get the stereotype of being lazier.
They need more recharge time than any other number.
And they are also, they usually are found really trying to wind themselves down because
they absorb a lot.
So that is the general overview of all the types.
But I wanted to let you know that as you take the test, when you get that main number, there
is a number that you'll get your main type.
So let's use me as an example.
I am a type six.
Well, with each number, you have a number that you near when you're going towards growth
or ease, and then a number you become more when you're in a stressful situation.
And it's really important to get to know both of those numbers as well.
So as you do kind of a deeper dive on what your own number is, and the Enneagram Institute
is kind of the main site that'll pop up when you Google it.
So you can read about your main number, but I would also go on a deep dive into your growth
number and your stress number.
And we will review a little bit more of what that means in a little bit.
But I also wanted to let you know about what wings are because wings are something that'll
come up often in your test result.
So if you are a type six like me, you could be a wing five or a wing seven.
So you can have a little bit of the number beside your number.
So cats a type two, she could have a wing one or a wing three.
She has a wing three.
And for me, I am a six wing seven.
So I have a little bit of that seven side, but your wings can kind of change out.
You can kind of embody both of the numbers a little bit beside you.
But often when you do your test, it'll tell you what your wing is most likely.
And you're probably going to feel like although you mainly have the energy of your main number,
you probably feel that you embody a little bit of the qualities of that number next to
you.
Makes sense?
Yes, thank you so much for explaining all of that.
It's amazing just to go through and hear.
And I'm sure even our listeners, as you're hearing these types, these numbers and the
qualities to it, you might be considering people in your life already who you don't
know their numbers and you're kind of putting them, giving them, allocating them numbers
because you can intuitively kind of understand this stuff.
But it's also interesting, I think, to guess someone's number and then ask them like what
they got on the test to.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
I feel like I'm always pretty spot on when I guess somebody's number, but it is fascinating
because with the stress and growth numbers, you might see a little bit more of the other
side of that person than what they kind of mainly are functioning on.
But yeah.
Oh my gosh.
When I first learned the Enneagram, I read a few books on it and faces were just popping
into my head for each one.
I'm like, that is definitely it.
I made my husband's entire family take it to my mother-in-law, my sister-in-law.
I was like, I got to know everybody's number.
But let's talk about our own little personal experience with it, Kat.
So I'd love to hear you explain your number and just what Enneagram's done for you.
And then we'll get back into some nerdy information.
Yeah.
Awesome.
So when I, I've gone through this big spiritual awakening in the past, oh, seven years, I'd
say, which is crazy to actually say seven years.
What?
Whoa, time flies.
But I used to be a very much an achiever, total type three.
And then once I started really understanding the way that I am, why I am the way that I
am, diving into more personality tests, questioning things, understanding my beliefs separate from
what I've been taught to believe as true, my type started to change.
And I'm really excited for you to get into the growth pieces and the challenging pieces
next because seeing yourself in different types is a big part of this practice for me
anyway.
So I went from more of this like super hyper achiever to the helper.
And I guess I've always kind of been the helper in some ways, but now like there's no question
in my mind and it's aligned with what I do in my career.
It's aligned with how I show up in my friendships.
And it helps me bring understanding of like, okay, my people pleasing tendencies are the
way they are because of my enneagram type.
Like my enneagram type is that way because of the way I've been brought up and just all
the things I've been taught in my conditioning.
So yeah.
So you're a two wing three or maybe even a three wing two at some point in time.
So you're kind of bouncing between those two numbers.
So we'll use cat as an example for stress and growth and I can share it in my own personal
and then I'll give us a nice list.
So there is a theory.
It's called soul child theory.
It went around on a ton of enneagram blogs and accounts, but it was really believed that
and I got to chime this into best believe that people have done crossovers between enneagram
and astrology.
That's a side boat.
Well, we won't go there, but I love how it all like pieces together.
But however your original soul blueprint was, they usually say that you probably started
off in your younger childhood years as your number that you go to in growth.
So when you check your enneagram number, the arrow that leads to another number and it
says in growth was probably more what you embodied as a child.
So for you cat, that means you would have been a little bit more like a four as a kid,
which type fours are known as being more independent on their own.
They can be a little bit moody and temperamental, but they like to kind of find a sense of creativity
and they really feel a strong sense of individuality.
But somewhere along the way, maybe that side of you just was not getting rewarded enough
and you got a lot more rewarded for helping people.
So you kind of settled more into the two and yeah, maybe you got complimented a lot for
what you did around the house or thank you for helping me with that.
Like then that to kind of set in a little bit stronger.
But for you, what you're trying to work back to is embodying a little bit more of the four.
So if we think of this in like inner child healing, you're kind of trying to go back
to a place where although you still are going to always love to help people and love to
feel needed, you want to embody a little bit of that sense of individuality and find a
link and passion for your creativity and to let yourself spend that alone time to process
emotions and stuff more.
Because for you, that chronic need to help people can start to interfere and take away
from that sense of self that you deeply want to stay plugged in and tuned to.
And then when you could all see me because I'm just like nodding my head like nonstop,
like yup, uh huh.
Without even knowing me as a child, you are speaking it into like that's exactly how I
was.
I was a super creative kid and very independent first born.
And yeah, I remember thinking to myself like I'm going to show these people I'm going to
be famous one day and they're all going to regret not like treating me well.
And yeah, had those thoughts.
It's amazing.
So great.
And yeah, the really cool part is you, uh, when you are angry, you become an eight and
I am married to a type two.
So I know the type two so well.
And when they go into their challenger mode, when they are stressed out, they all of a
sudden like get so like they will not hear anyone else's opinion.
They can get very charged and just like, I'm going for this.
There's no ifs, ands or buts, no compromise.
The eights get real strong and challenging.
Do you relate with that a little Kat?
Oh yeah.
It's like when, when I'm triggered in that way, it's like, oh, I'm fast.
I'm quick and like, I know what I want and know what I need.
No standing in my way.
It's so funny and my husband is very much the same way.
He, when he gets into eight mode, I just go quiet because I'm like, he needs to just get
this out because I know he helps a lot.
And this is his like periodic explosion of just like, I need to get it out.
And it comes so rarely.
But I think type twos are one of the funniest because when they go into stress, it's so
different than their core number that you're like, oh, hello eight.
The eight has arrived.
Everyone off guard, like, whoa, who's this?
Yeah.
We listen up when you guys shift, like I listen, I deeply listen.
So I'll explain my own number two, just to keep kind of giving a reference tool of how
to look.
But I am a type six, the loyalist and I have a wing seven.
And so I have a little bit of that enthusiast adventurous type seven, which is like such
a funny pair because I have this like kind of fear based thinking.
Like I'm always when I, when I enter a space, I'm looking at what could go wrong.
I'm very observant of my environment.
I'm constantly over analyzing stuff.
I am always in my head playing out scenarios.
And then I have that little seven wing, which will like make me do something spontaneous,
like living out of my car for a year.
Like that was my seven wing.
My six would have never done that.
My six would have been like, this is stupid.
This will put me behind for X amount of years.
Like that's where I really get into kind of a panic mode of the future.
That's when my six is like really present.
That seven wing really helps me have like this kind of like fun looser side.
So I'm thankful for my type seven.
But my number, when I am doing better, I become a nine.
So nines are the peacekeepers.
So as a little Jen, I really was very good at keeping to myself.
I definitely still had a lot.
I think the six got kicked in pretty early for me.
I started off relatively calm, but my family, somewhere along the way, I realized that I
couldn't really stay in my own peace bubble because I needed to stay on top of things
and I was taught to fear every single thing around me.
Like be careful for that.
Watch out for that.
This is after you.
This, this, this.
I had so many fear things pushed on me as a kid that I became my hyper vigilant little
sick self.
And now with through yoga and meditation, I'm trying so hard to get back to honor my
little peacekeeper self that just wants to sit and calm and doesn't need to think everything
through that can live more in the present.
And I work on embodying that all the time.
And then my number in stress is a type three.
And so that's the achiever.
So cat, it's funny you have that little wing three.
When I get really stressed out, I used to do so.
I used to be so bad about this, but I've really seen it shift.
I don't think I go to my stress number anywhere near as much as I used to.
I think I'm a lot better at reading my own cues.
But when I become a three, I start just like manically cleaning, manically trying to organize
my life.
Like it doesn't come from any efficiency.
It's coming from like a place that makes no sense.
Like I'll pull out like 10 of my planners, have them laying around me.
And I just, I'm just trying to find some dang sense of control.
And that is what happens when I'm like at my breaking point.
And so I've really tried instead of doing that to let myself rest, let myself like have
a little more sense of calm.
So it was actually really beautiful that I found the yoga path, especially for my number
because I deeply needed something to bring me a deeper sense of peace.
Oh, I hear that.
It's like that nervous energy, the nervous system's just like move, do, and then your
inner self, you're just like, no, be, peace.
I know.
And you have that wing three.
And I know that we go into a good productive mode together as well.
And yeah, we can probably relate with our little, our little three side, but let me
go through each number just in case.
This is definitely something that you can look into and reference, but just so you have
it in this podcast episode, I'm going to go through each number and what number it goes
to in stress and what number it goes to in growth.
So type ones in stress will become more like a four in growth.
They will become more like a seven.
So picture that perfectionist feels like there's one way to do things.
They get to become more fun, loving and growth and learn to let things go, let life be more
adventurous, drop a lot of it.
And that's probably where they started off as a kid in that fun, loving, goofy, spontaneous
side.
And then somewhere along the way, they got a lot more rewarded for being productive,
doing things right, achieving in some way type ones and threes are both like very goal
oriented.
But yeah, type ones got rewarded for doing a good job and seen for that in stress.
Ones will become more like a four.
So they kind of withdraw, they pull back, they get into that moody emotional state and
yeah, they kind of are out for themselves that are kind of embodying more of the darker
side of the four, which is withholding a lot, really letting a lot of emotions out on people
in the wrong way.
Type twos we just did for cat stress, they go to an eight growth, they go to a four.
So we'll move on to type threes and three, six and nine are all in a triangle with each
other.
So they're the only three numbers that will go to the same two numbers, just kind of in
vice versa of each other.
But three, six and nine, I always say when people are in my triangle, like I can feel
that kind of exchange of energy because we bounce to opposite numbers, but all within
the same triangle.
So three, six and nine, little hype for our triangle here.
Type threes in growth become more like a healthy six like me.
So type threes instead of manically achieving, they start thinking of future scenarios and
maybe play in a little bit of the worst case scenario thinking so that they protect their
energy a little more and drive it towards the right things, not necessarily go after
every single thing.
And maybe as a six, they had a little bit more of that consciousness and were able to
kind of think things through in a way that was productive, not always anxiety provoking,
but able to deeply think before going right into action mode.
And then in stress, they become the nines, threes take a whole heck of a lot to go into
their stress number, but when they do, they crash and become peacekeepers.
But nines, that nine in stress threes just get shut down.
All of a sudden they are like sick.
They want to lay in bed.
They can't do anything.
They become completely unproductive and that takes a lot for a three to crack.
But when they crack, they really crack.
In type fours, in growth, they become a one and in stress, they become more like a two.
So when a type four who's that individualist creativity gets into chronically helping people
too much, they're forgetting to check in with their own need and their own desires and what
they are needing out of things.
In growth, they become more like a one.
My sister is a four.
She's just become a bad-ass advocate for large things.
They're really good at seeing the big picture, helping.
And yeah, they can get a little bit of that perfectionist to their creativity, but it
can be really beautiful what they can come up with when they're working more with their
growth number.
Type fives and growth become more like an eight.
So instead of withdrawing all the time, they're able to speak their mind, share their desires,
maybe let some of their opinions out instead of withholding all of it.
They have that nice bite, but in a good, healthy debater way.
And they take all that knowledge that they constantly want to learn and they actually
share it out to where they can have the world comment on it and exchange some of their information
that they're always gathering as a type five.
And in stress, they become more like a seven.
So they become very avoidant.
They often, my dad is a five and he definitely loves to go out on a lot of drives and go
travel when he is stressed out.
He likes to get away.
They kind of do it in a manically impulsive way, not always in a like planned out way.
They can have a really strong avoidant behavior.
I already went over type six, but stress, they become a three growth.
They become a nine and then type sevens in stress become a one in growth.
They become the fives.
So they take that spontaneous manic, fun, happy energy and in growth, they get really curious.
I think sevens are so cute when they're going into their growth number because they become
like little scientists and start deeply studying into things.
And they're such good study years when they slow down and they pick something to focus
on.
They really can take a lot of that information in and make it really productive versus manically
jumping around and avoiding pain.
They can hone in on something and really deeply learn it.
And they're usually kind of like real cute as kids too.
And that like starting off in your growth number, type fives are usually really into
like really niche subjects.
And then somewhere along the way they start kind of usually sevens have had actually the
most traumatic past of any of the other enneagram types.
That is usually why they're so pain avoidant.
So a lot of type sevens, if you read like the celebrity list, a lot of them have had
a lot of mental health struggles and a lot of traumas, which is why they are so pain
avoidant.
Then to go into type eight, we're almost there guys.
Growth they become a two and then stress they become a five.
So type eights as kids often are usually the helpers going around and helping everyone,
but somewhere along the way they really feel like they need to stand up and take charge.
They maybe got taken advantage of too much for helping.
And yeah, go into a mode where they're able to challenge the people around them, debate.
They're looking to get more into that sweet side.
So if you know a type eight in your life, they're usually very kind of domineering,
but it's so cute because underneath it all, they really in growth become more like that
helper.
So they can have this really hard shell because they're scared to be vulnerable.
But as you give them something to help and you trust them, they usually can soften so
much more than you think they can.
So I'm never intimidated by a big dominant energy because I assume they're a type eight
and that I can find help them find their two.
If I just give them a little direction, I have definitely a lot of type eights in my
life.
And so I like the little bite at first and then there's a nice gooey center.
And then finally our type nines when they are stressed out, my, I have multiple best
friends who are type nines when they are stressed out, they become a six like me, except in
all the wrong ways.
Like that fear based thinking is not productive.
They will tell you every possible thing going wrong in the world and they hardly can function
because of how much they are taking in.
So when they are stressed, they're like telling you every single thing bad and they just can't
get out of it.
So you have to really pull those nines out when they go into their stress mode because
the worst case scenario thinking, which is already kind of a hard number.
It's hard to be a type six, but to go there and stress is taking that shadow side of the
six and embodying it.
And I have a lot of friends that I'm like, Oh, we're in a dark place.
They're telling there they're going deep.
So I have to drag them out.
And then in growth, they become a three.
So that nine that sometimes gets the rap for like always, uh, yeah, moving slower, kind
of resting more.
They can actually become very productive when they are honoring their own needs.
They're working on making sure they're going towards the things that they want to go to.
And they, yeah, they let go of a little bit of that need to always like stay show shelled
in and learn to just make their life with the proper people around them that are going
to make them feel that sense of safety, that sense of comfort.
So they can embody the type three a little bit more and move towards their goals.
So there it is.
Beautiful.
Oh my gosh.
So much amazing information.
Like the fact that you know all of this and can just recite it like that is so impressive
to me.
And I know that our listeners are going to have a lot to, to dig into, to taste out,
to digest and to share based on all of this.
Yes.
It's so much fun.
It is such a good deep dive.
And it's so interesting because once you know your base number, you can go in the Enneagram
Institute and kind of do, I recommend reading all of the numbers.
I think it's just super interesting, but you can look at what your number looks like when
it's doing better, what your number is going to kind of mirror as it's looking worse.
And you're kind of in a, I'm not taking care of myself place.
And the other fun part is you can play with your compatibility with other numbers.
So I have done that in my life so many times, like type six with the type two, that's me
and Danny.
Such a funny read and when I search the compatibility on the Enneagram Institute between our types,
it basically gave me a list of every single thing that me and Danny fight over, which
is just so funny.
Like it's the, it was the exact power dynamic that we struggle with.
And so that deeply helped with communication.
And I also ran my number with my mom's number, my number with my sister's number, my dad's
number.
And yeah, it was childhood healing in a way that I would have never thought.
And it really helped me let go of a lot of shit from my past.
And I do think that with all of these personality tests, it's really good to get a view of yourself.
I think it's also important that we don't over identify so much with our number that
we don't continuously do the work to kind of unlearn ourselves.
Because as we share on this podcast all the time, the reason I think Enneagram can kind
of be spiritual is you're working on unlearning, you're learning to help unlearn and let go
of some of those things you may be picked up along the way.
Because when you have a better, better tool system in your mind to catch your actions
and why you're doing it, then you usually can move through life with a lot more mindfulness.
So I think the personality tests are way less on over helping you over identify and make
excuses for why you do what you do and finding a sweet balance to maybe extending grace on
yourself because you know some of the qualities of your number, but also then working on trying
to release and let that go.
Yeah.
And one other great idea of how you can utilize this tool to help continue to understand yourself
and others better in group settings is going to your employer with something like this.
If you work for a cool place that's open to personal development, professional growth,
looking for team building opportunities, my old workplace used to do this.
So that's why I came to mind.
I love it.
Having some sort of workshop where everybody takes their Enneagram test and then shares
out and explains how they see this present in themselves in the workplace.
And by understanding that, you can then grow together.
And by understanding what someone else is really skilled at, you can delegate different
tasks that way.
So just another idea in case you are responsible or if your management has things like this
that they're always looking for.
I love that.
That would be absolutely amazing.
I pretty much make every coworker take it anyway.
I love that.
The other like such, oh my gosh, I think it is so funny.
I don't go on Facebook hardly at all anymore, but I do deeply miss this about Facebook.
I followed probably.
So I'll tell you which ones, honestly, I follow the type one page.
I follow the type six page.
I follow the type two page and the type nine page.
And they have like giant groups.
And so you can follow your Enneagram group on Facebook.
And it's like the type one group and what they talk about is so high level and so nerdy.
And then the type two group is always like telling each other like, love you guys.
They're just so lovey.
Wait, that's hilarious.
And Danny always shows me memes from the type two group.
And it's like memes that I would not think are funny.
And it's just like some joke about over people pleasing.
And Danny just like Danny responds.
You'll probably see Danny on there.
He loves it.
And it's just all these little jokes about overextending yourself.
And then the type nine group is the funniest of them all.
I'm not kidding, because they all probably spend the most time on the computer because
they're way more.
Usually nines are like resting.
They like love to rest.
So all of their memes are so good about anyone.
Like I saw one time this girl commented, she's like, anyone else been in bed a couple of
days?
And there was like 300 comments like, yeah, like what you guys do?
This group is cracking me up.
Like they're just out resting in the world.
And my one of my closest friends who learned she was a nine, it felt so good for her to
learn that there's like a whole group of people that need double the recharge time.
She loved that for herself.
And finding that group to connect with was huge for her.
My type six group is very, very funny.
And we also are like always worried about something.
There's like an equal balance of wit and anxiety and the type six group, like either a problem
or we're like, yeah, trying to make light of it.
Also sixes are always trying to figure things out.
Sixes most commonly mistype as helpers because we do want to figure out how to help people,
but it's kind of more for the motive of moving through life with less anxiety and kind of
knowing the inner workings of everyone.
So there's a lot of deep dives on the six page of like, what would you guys do about
this?
What would you do about this?
And I'm like, I love it.
The anxiety is loud and clear.
So I highly recommend tapping into your, your Enneagram group.
And then I love the Enneagram page.
It's spelled K-A-M dot Enneagram.
She does tons of amazing series.
We can share a few on our Insta Instagram page when this episode comes out so that you
guys can see a few of the studies she has done and like the group series, because I
really think she's done an amazing job of deep, deeply breaking down the temperaments
behind a lot of them.
And there's a lot of side dissection.
I won't get too into this in this episode, but a lot of the numbers kind of can link
in how they process more with their heart, process more with their gut, process more
with their head.
And there's just kind of different forms of thinking.
And so this comes into kind of the thinker versus feeler, which maybe I've talked about
in a couple of episodes, but some people just generally feel before they think or think
before they feel.
And so learning just how other numbers respond to things going around them and learning that
general temperament and what numbers kind of match that is just all a very fun deep
dive if you want the resource to better understand the people around you and maybe why they do
what they do so you can let go of some of the attachment to making everything so dang
personal.
Having some compassion, compassion, compassion.
That's what it's all about.
Well, thank you so much, Jen, for sharing your knowledge on all of this today.
And we can't wait to hear from you all.
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