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Hello and welcome to the Awaken Together Podcast. I am Jen and I'm Kat. And thank you so much

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for joining us today for another episode. So you heard our stories in episode 1 and

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2 and now we are ready to start getting into the work. So here we go. Yes. So feel free for this

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episode to grab a notebook because we are going to unpack the personality, the ego, and what's

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beneath it all, our intuition, our soul, and our higher self. So for those of you new on the

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spiritual journey, one of the most important things you can do early on on this life path

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is really review the labels that you've placed on yourself along the way. So these labels are

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usually based on the circumstances we've been through, sometimes our hobbies, what we do for

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work or for living, what our beliefs are, and there can be labels tied to gender, relationships,

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and so sometimes these are ones that we put on ourselves and also the labels can come from other

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people. So it can be what we are told as we're growing up, what we get complimented for, what

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we receive attention for. So all of these labels kind of making up our personality. Yeah, that's

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right. There's so many boxes that we put ourselves in, like Jen said, and some of this comes from a

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place of biological, maybe physiological as well, and then a lot of it is also learned. So I'll

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start by sharing a little bit about the boxes that I put myself in when I was growing up and how that's

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changed a bit through the years. So if you know me in person, you know I'm really short. I'm 5'1".

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I'm 5'1 too. I'm 5'1 too. Oh my gosh. Did we ever put that together? Another parallel. I don't think so. That's hilarious.

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Just another connection here. Right, two shorties just talking about our spiritual journeys. Totally a label

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thrown on me as well. Oh yeah. I bet. How can you not be, right? It's like either you're really short,

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you're really tall, or the only time your height doesn't get brought into the picture is when you're

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somewhere in between. So yeah, with that small label I was told that I was cute a lot, that I was sweet.

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Also somewhere along the lines I developed this idea that for a small, cute person I had to also

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be ditzy. And so that was something that in high school I started kind of acting and taking on

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myself because yeah, I just felt like that's who I was supposed to be. Whether I felt that way or

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not really, like inside, didn't really matter because that's how I was expected to show up. This is a

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story that my ego told me. Another box is that I'm fun so people could always look to me when they

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wanted to have a good time. They could turn to me, they could shoot me a text, and I would always give

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them something fun to do whether I had the energy to do it or not. So yeah, growing up that's kind of

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like the person, the mold that I fit into. And what happened with that is I fell in this line where I

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didn't think that I could be bold when I really wanted to be. When I wanted to speak my mind and

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be serious and have those sorts of conversations, I didn't feel like it was my place. And when I grew

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up, when I graduated high school and started to understand what I was doing to myself and the

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molds that I had created, I really didn't like that. And I wanted to challenge that and I wanted

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to be taken seriously above all. I was at that place where, you know, I was in college, I was a

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college girl, and I wanted to be taken seriously and like the intelligent person that I knew myself

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to be. I'm small but I always tell people this, I don't feel as small as I am, I feel tall.

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Would you say something similar Jen? I don't know.

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Yeah, that was so well said. And so yeah, that is 100% it is that these labels that we put on

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ourselves, we feel like we always have to show up as those things. And when we have like a different

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persona we're wanting to bring to the table, like one day we're feeling a ton of emotions and maybe

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we can't be as sweet and kind, then we don't feel like we can show up as that because it feels,

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yeah, it doesn't feel connected to us because that is not a label that we have previously

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identified with. So growing up for me, I was told Jennifer is so good with people, she's always so

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extroverted and smiley, I got called smiley, smiley shorty. I'm always happy, I was known as being

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really loud, that was always like huge. So I was always a little self-conscious about that.

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And then I really struggled with weight growing up. So not only the doctors telling me I'm overweight

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at any appointment I went to, but yeah, there's obviously little comments made from peers

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tied around that. So I really believed like, okay, well, I'm overweight, but I have this fun

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personality and at least people like to be around me, but I would have never challenged those beliefs.

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So the issue is that even though some of these labels can hold a more positive charge, like being

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seen as kind can feel really good, like I love to be a kind person. And then there can be the more

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like painful and negative charged ones, like yeah, overweight or ones that are very personal to your

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body image, those can hold a lot more negative. But the issue is, is we start attaching so much

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to those labels that we always have to show up personifying these blocks that we've created.

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And if any, if we're ever going to show up any other way, it, yeah, we, we just can't do it or we,

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we feel so much internal resistance to showing up in those other forms.

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Right. So I think some of that comes with like maturity, right? In questioning,

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questioning those boxes as we get a little bit older, like I remember having a moment where I was

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like, you know what, screw that ditzy girl I've been pretending to be. I'm not aloof. I'm not that

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fairy like personality. I'm actually pretty composed and focused. So going back to seeing

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those high school friends after I made these like align changes with who I actually felt like,

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I remember people telling me I changed when really I was just acting the way that I truly

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felt on the inside. So we're met with that, right? Yeah. And so that's it. People notice and they

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start, they'll judge and question you when you show up as different. I think that can make us

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really insecure. Like, you know, that's when we can still hide. So even if you showed, like,

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if you showed up like very passionate and more intense one day, they'd be like, what's with Kat

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today? Like, why is she being like that? Why is she being like so mean? Like what got, yeah,

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what got you down? And then those questionings and judgments that we receive from others,

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that can make us hide back into our shells. But the point is, as we are moving through the world,

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it's not meant to look one way. It's meant to be ever shifting. But the attachment to these

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identities, if you don't stay in constant check with it, you're not staying in check with the

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ego because the ego, this is the fuel for it. I am, I am this, I am that. The ego loves to have

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control and set presets to things. And this leads to though, when we look at those boxes, so yeah,

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maybe you even pause the podcast right now and start to actually put them down on paper. I have

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so many notebooks of little boxes and then the words that I started to believe. And then look

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at those boxes, those identities that you've given yourself and ask yourself when those things are

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challenged, when someone, you know, brings up a question about one of those identities, what do

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you feel? What happens? And then also looking at, are these things still serving me? Like, have I

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always showed up this way? When did I start showing up this way? And do I, do I need this anymore?

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Like, was this, yeah, maybe more for my youth? Did I, did I attach to it based on my family

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circumstances? What can I release and surrender and let go of? Such an awesome exercise. Journaling

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can just help bring so much more awareness to what your subconscious knows. And it just comes out

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through your pen to the paper. So it's an awesome exercise. I hope you all take some time to do that.

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Yeah. And so that's, that is what it's about. It's, it's learning and unlearning how we want

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to be perceived and how attached we are to that. And so another awesome tool, so if you're

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doing the journaling and you're having trouble even pulling up, like I don't even know some

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of the labels. I don't really know how people see me, which can definitely, it's sometimes hard to

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flip the mirror and look at yourself. I love using personality tests and not for the reason of,

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you know, using them as an excuse, like, oh, well, I'm an ENFJ, so that's just how it is.

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You know, Myers-Briggs, I love the Enneagram. I love the love language tests that you can do.

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And all of these are just Google searched, uh, quizzes you can take. But sometimes when we can

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make a list of the results of these tests, we can get that lens of how did I answer those questions?

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What result did that bring up? And that can sometimes be a good map to unlearning yourself.

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So sometimes we have to learn what we have become. And I put that in quotations so that we can

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unlearn those things and realize that, yeah, that is, that is not what I want to, um, that's not how

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I want to move through this, this life anymore. That's such a great point. I remember like taking

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some personality tests back in the day and not liking my results and then questioning myself

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and then taking it again to change my answers to get what I wanted. Yeah. Yeah, it does not always

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mean that that is what we are. And so I think there can be a shadow side to the personality test of,

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you know, people using it as an excuse to not do the work, but it can be an awesome map for the

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work. So, okay, you just answered that way. That doesn't mean that that's what you are and that

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you have to, it's not to give you another box. It's to help you unbox yourself. And I think that can

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be a really good tool to use for that. I agree. It's very illuminating no matter what.

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Yeah. And so, yeah, we're peeling back the layers. Once we start to shed more and more of these

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things, that is what is underneath all of it is our intuition and it's our connection to that soul

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and higher self. Um, into intuition is this deeper understanding beyond personal senses. So

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it's that inner knowing. It can be our hunches where we really feel like, I think I'm supposed

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to go talk to that person. I just feel like I should say something or it can be just those gut

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visceral reactions. It can be a sense of trusting what's coming next. Um, it can be like, I know I'm

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supposed to be here. I feel like I, I meant to be in this space at this time. And it can be that

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perfect idea that just pops into your head where you just know like, wow, that's genius. Let me

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write that down or that's such a good idea. Those are the moments when we're, we're hearing from

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that intuition side. That's right. The ego and the intuition, they work side by side, but they are

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very separate. And so I loved what you shared about the intuition. And really the more that we

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can get into the place of getting comfortable listening to our bodies, the more easily we'll

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be able to trust from that place of intuition. So you've probably heard trust your gut, right? It's

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like a common expression. Um, the word gut teams up with the word feeling a lot. And there's good

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reason for that. Research actually suggests that when, um, emotion and intuition, they have a

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physical presence in our guts. Our guts are lined with a network of neurons and it's actually called

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the second brain. It's known as the enteric nervous system. And there's just like millions of neurons

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firing at all times. So, um, whenever you don't trust your gut, you can physically get sick. You

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can also get sick about just having to make tough decisions. Like you'll feel it in your body. Your

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stomach will be upset. You might get a headache. You might get a little shaky. Like we all know

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what that feels and it's, it doesn't feel good. So, uh, we can be doing a lot of things to

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strengthen our guts as well in order to come from that place of really heightened intuition and

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being open to receive and really lead from that place. So one way that you can do that is by

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eating healthy, clean, whole, unprocessed foods. So the gut loves fermented foods,

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foods that are rich in pre and probiotics like kombucha. I love brewing my own at home. So fun.

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Uh, Jen, I got a scoby for you if you ever want to brew your own too.

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I do. Yeah. I want to hear that. Like I have questions now.

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Yes. It's like part of my self care Sunday routine. It's just something to do that.

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Nice. We'll do a workshop.

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I love it. Sounds good. Got some kombucha, some kimchi, sauerkraut, yogurt,

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sourdough bread. Another thing I love to make at home.

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Oh my gosh. Your sourdough bread photos like that's Paula Katz Instagram. Oh,

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you had my mouth watering the other day with a photo. Oh, I love it.

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Honestly, it's not that hard and it tastes so much better than what they make at the store. And you

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know exactly what's going into it. It's like two ingredients. So super simple. And there's something

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to like making your food with love at home. Definitely. And knowing that it's good for

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your gut. It's just an extra benefit. Also good for your gut, those prebiotics. So these are

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different than the probiotics. Of course they're similar, but prebiotics are naturally found in

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onions and garlic. So those are two really common household ingredients that prebiotics are rich in.

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So again, good for your gut. You can use these to flavor foods. I use them in my cooking every

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single day. And yeah, you just brush your teeth after and it's fine. Your gut's happy. Yeah.

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Yeah. So the reason the gut kind of falls into under this roof and under this lens is because

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when we're talking mind, body, and spirit, you hear that term really thrown around. So some of

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this unveiling of the mind, like catching your thoughts and how they're tied to identity. But

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the body and the mind work so much together. 95% of the serotonin that our brain receives comes

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from our gut. So there is a huge link to the body having to work with the mind and there being this

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tie. So even if you're doing all of this work to strip away some of your actions and to figure out

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some of the, yeah, the intention behind what you're doing and how you're showing up, there can still

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be a really big disconnect if our body is being really ignored and we tend to, you know, we can

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get very overwhelmed by the external. There can be a lot of numbing and checking out from the body,

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a lot of escaping, a lot of, you know, there can be that binging or the, you know, there's so many

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different nutritional factors that we can deep dive into. But the important part is knowing that

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when the mind and the body are working together and we put more intention behind how we're treating

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our body and what we're actually taking in and the mind and body are starting to work together,

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we're keeping more consistent energy throughout the day, that makes us more intentional in how

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we're moving. But mind and body connection also leads to the spiritual side of things just like

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attaching right into you. So there is definitely a magic whether you've felt this or not. In the

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spiritual community, I think a lot of people started off with just mental work and then some

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people get tied into just physical work, just doing a lot of focus on the body. But when we mesh

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those two together, that's when the spiritual world seems to find you. That's when more profound

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experiences start happening. That's when our intuition gets louder and starts telling us more

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and we start really belonging in the present more. We're not so tied up in the past or worried about

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the future that we're not dropping fully in. It really helps with that drop into the present.

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Yeah. So I'll paint a picture of how you can actually feel your intuition in your body.

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Okay. So think about the last time that you've had a really intuitive moment. So whether it was

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a hunch on something that you didn't understand fully where this feeling was coming from,

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but you knew you just had to listen to it. Chances are you felt it in your belly,

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maybe the pit of your stomach. Maybe you got some goosebumps on your skin, a shiver down your spine.

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Maybe your heartbeat begins to race, your breath begins to quicken. Sometimes it's even more

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subtle than that though. And sometimes you might just describe it as like a deep knowing.

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You really feel when something is right though. It feels clear, nourishing, it feels enriching.

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And conversely on the other side, you'll feel it when something is off. So for me, this can be

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a feeling of anxiety of not knowing what's off, but knowing something's off. It can also feel like

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deflating. Like if my intuition was telling me something and I didn't act on it, then I'll feel

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rather deflated for a little while until I truly understand where it's coming from and can take

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action on it. And it does take a little while to get used to these signs and trusting your intuition

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might be difficult at first if you're not used to it, but truly it all happens with time. So just

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trust it bit by bit and try to act on it when you get these little signs in your body and just know

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it's all worth it. Yeah, I think for me, I notice when I'm kind of out of that mind body spirit

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sink when I start looking at other people as being separate from me, there's definitely this

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when I look over and I start hearing myself have more judgmental thoughts or I, this can happen

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as you step into the spiritual community as well of this, well, I'm doing the work, so why is no

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one else doing the work? There can be ego creeps in over and over and over again and tries to add

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separateness from yourself and to others. So I can feel when I'm not living by intuition because

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there's a disconnect from me and everyone around me. When I'm really in tune to the three parts

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working together, I really look around and I see through the lens of love so much more when I'm

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dialed in. I think I can look at everyone and see myself and I see this like very, I have this really

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strong sense that I'm meant to take in all the details that I meant to feel everything in the

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moment. So I'll notice, yeah, what the wind feels like on my skin, what my feet feel like standing

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on the ground. It brings so much awareness to the present and all the sensations that I'm feeling.

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That's when I know like I'm in the flow, I'm not attaching, I'm not falling into an ego trap. This

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is a beautiful moment and that's when I know. Yeah, finding that time to be still and silent

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and present with whatever you're experiencing. It's all about staying open, right? To be able to

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receive what's coming your way. Definitely and that is a huge part of the work. That is the,

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it's this awakening together journey is constantly coming back and recognizing like that little map

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that you draw of all your ego identities. You might need to be doing that every month because

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you're going to constantly pick up new things. So it's, yeah, it's easy to put a bumper sticker on

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a car but peeling it off is always the tricky part and that really is how it goes and we do it over

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and over again. But that connection to intuition, you probably have, yeah, recognize and look at the

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way you feel intuition in your body. So use the the writing prompts to also say how do I feel

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when I'm feeling that real sense of alive and connectedness to the things around me.

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Yeah, I love that. Such great ideas. And it also makes me think about like what else is going on

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in our lives as we're trying to come to this place of listening to our intuitions really closely,

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separating our egos from our true and ourselves and our stimuli, our external stimuli has a lot

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to do with how open we're able to be. So think about like people in your life. There's people

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who are probably positive influences who encourage you to be your best, to reach for the stars,

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who inspire you to become the person that you want to be. And then there's probably other people who

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drain you and who just kind of add to the noise and make it more difficult to hear what your

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intuition wants you to hear. We all have them, right? It's life. There's always going to be those

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people on both sides, because we don't live in bubbles as much as sometimes I want. I wish I did.

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It's just not reality. And it's not necessarily positive to create echo chambers of only the

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people that we are around. Yeah, but just being still for that time, your intuition will be

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trying to talk with you. And keeping those people who enrich and empower you nearby and walking away

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from those who drain you is a big step in just aligning your energy with how you want it to

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move forward. Yeah, I fully, fully agree. And just if you have those negative, the people that do

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drain you those negative around, I talk about this a lot, but we can learn a lot from the people that

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drain us too. That can sometimes be when our intuition can speak a little louder. The next

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time someone really bothers you, that is some of the best work we can do with tapping into our

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intuition and the why, is the people that trigger all those unhealed feelings. Not that we want to

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stay and surround ourselves with those people, but it's going to happen. You can't avoid entering a

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space with someone that can maybe pull from you more than add to you. But we can learn a ton about

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our reactivity in those moments, what that creates inside of us, what our instincts are. It can be a

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map to a lot of those preset beliefs and how we respond to them. So the next time you really feel

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that internal flare up from somebody, handle it with grace in that moment. You want to always

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shine kind of a connectiveness. We're meant to be a light for others, but take that information,

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notice it, go process it and sit and either dump it, journal it, meditate on it, figure out

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what did that bring up and why did that create such an internal conflict. I have learned some

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of my best lessons on where I get judgmental, where I get harsh and disconnected from those

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triggering people. So that can be a huge map into figuring out where that ego comes in and goes,

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well, yeah, they're clearly not on my level. So yeah, I don't need this. But we can walk away from

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those circumstances without putting down the other person and to still use that as a map. But

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surrounding yourself with people that are embracing your intuitive nature and helping to fuel your

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spiritual journey is also so key. Absolutely. And you're so right. We need to be ready to let bad

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feelings go. And I'll take that back. I don't like bad feelings because all feelings are valid and

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just and have their time and place. But the ones that kind of bog you down and keep you in a lower

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vibrational state, feelings of guilt, of shame, of embarrassment, all of those, those are really the

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lowest vibrational energies. And it's hard. It can be really hard to break out of a cycle when

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there's a lot in your life that's affecting keeping you in that place because negative emotions will

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cloud your intuition. I know that whenever I'm feeling down in the dumps, it's physically

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impossible for me to tap into my intuitive nature. And research actually backs this. It's found that

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people made better intuitive choices in any task when they were in a more positive mood as compared

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to when they were in a negative mood. So like Jen said, journaling, processing things, letting them

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go and being really ready to part with them sometimes is the key to it all. Yes. I wrote

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another quote down that I wanted to share too that the intuition, I got this from the seed of the soul,

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but the intuition is a walkie talkie between the personality and the soul. So I love that as an

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analogy that I love that. Yeah. We're not going to shed the ego. We're not going to get rid of the

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ego. It's going to keep coming back. It sits with us, but it's, it's that walkie talkie between both

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sides. So we have to stay just as in check of the ego to, to connect with the soul. So there is a

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back and forth there. So yeah, I wanted to share that as well. I love that. Just like the image of

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the walkie talkie in between the ego and the soul. And it's the method of communicating. So that's

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really neat. And one other thing I was thinking about is sleep. Since we are holistic beings and

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knowing that we are mind, body, spirit, we need to be able to recharge our bodies and our minds in

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order to connect with that, that space of spirit and dream time. It's really the brain's way of

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processing information that's left over from the day. There's so much like really valuable data

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through the experiences, memories, and learnings that happen during our dream time. So paying

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attention to your dreams can provide lots of juicy information that maybe you're not,

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you don't normally have access to when you're awake. So pay attention to what those are,

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write them down. Maybe you have a little notebook next to your bedside table or right,

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right when you wake up in the morning, you write down what your dreams were the night before and

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see what that means to you. What you think your subconscious is trying to tell you based on what's

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been going on in your life. So good. Yes. Mind, body, spirit, throwing a lot of good stuff at you.

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And if it's not clear, we really want you to have a lot of journals around. Yes. We love our journals.

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Yes. I think you can spot a spiritual person a lot. There's so much writing involved in this

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awakening and unveiling. I have notebooks for days. Same here. Same here. So, oh man, I think

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we are, we've talked about a lot today. We've talked about-

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Yeah, thanks Kat. I love it.

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Of course. Super productive.

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My five one, but not attached to it. Love.

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Yes. Right. Short sisters for life who actually feel tall.

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Yes. Yes. I love it.

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Amazing. Well, thank you all so much for joining us for another episode of Waking Together.

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We can't wait to see you all next week.

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Bye.

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