Hello everybody and welcome to a new episode of the Awaken Together podcast.
I'm Kat and today I am joined by a very special guest, my friend Katie Pine.
Hi! Thank you for having me.
Of course, thanks for being here.
So Katie is one of the absolute sweetest human beings you will ever meet.
We met through Nurture where we both work here in Dunbar.
And Katie is the owner of Reconnection Yoga Therapy.
And in addition to being a yoga therapist, she's also an amazing yoga instructor and a body worker.
So welcome to the show, Katie.
Thank you so much. I'm excited to talk about all of these modalities.
Yeah, so I figure if you could start with just sharing what is yoga therapy.
Sure. Yeah. And this is the thing that most people don't know.
So I love talking about this.
A big part of my business is education around how yoga therapy differs from traditional yoga instruction or private yoga.
So yoga therapy is an individualized holistic treatment modality.
So we're usually working one-on-one and we've got a long intake process, an assessment process,
and we're doing really individualized treatment planning.
And we're using the body, the breathing, the way that we're living day to day, the seasons, our daily routines,
and things like that to help move our clients toward their goals.
So it takes a lot more time and a lot more training usually than like a private yoga session,
which might focus a little more on one of those aspects instead of being as holistic as we get to be with yoga therapy.
Yeah, I love that it's completely like the whole lifestyle.
It's so much. It's very holistic, mind, body, spirit.
Yeah. And it's about giving your clients the tools that work well for them.
So the number one thing that we kind of see in healing modalities, I think, is that most tools don't work for everyone.
So it's not like, oh, if you just move this way, you'll feel pain-free,
or if you just breathe this way, you won't have anxiety.
It's like, what does your body need? What fits well into your lifestyle?
What are your goals? What are your energetic baselines and things like that?
So we really get to assess for that in a one-on-one setting in yoga therapy
and then help you build new tools and routines and habits that just become part of how you live your life.
So a lot of the work is done at home.
The clients take a treatment plan home that we create together in session
and hopefully don't need to see a yoga therapist for too long.
You can come for however much time you need, but it just becomes how you live over time.
I love that. I love that.
I think I have so many friends who, it's so hard.
They know the things that they want, that they need to do to feel better,
but just implementing them and having that loving accountability and a treatment plan
that is individualized for them. I think that's the missing links sometimes.
Sometimes, yeah. It's like, what do I do real time if I'm experiencing a symptom
of something that's going on for me?
Because there are a lot of modalities where you go in, you talk about it,
or you get an assessment, or you get a little bit of body work done in session.
But then what about the rest of the time?
So it's like we are helping our clients as yoga therapists learn tools that they can use real time
if there's pain or if there's stress or if there's panic in a situation where you're just by yourself.
What do I do?
So we're teaching your body how to work with your mind
and how to work with very specific regulation tools.
Yeah. That's huge.
I think things that people, the vast majority of our culture, I think, experiences on a daily basis,
just like how can we grow our tool belts to help ourselves in those times
that we recognize these patterns coming back up.
Exactly.
Awesome. So thinking about your client base, people you've worked with in the past,
who are those people?
Sure. I see mostly adults every once in a while.
I'll see adolescents and sometimes I'll work with an apparent child, which is pretty fun.
But usually adult clients and my focus is really on anxiety, stress, and pain.
So it's a lot. It's comprehensive.
But I'm mostly working with clients who, in terms of the nervous system,
need to learn how to downregulate when they're activated or when there's excess energy
or when there's anxiety that could even turn into panic attacks or things like that,
or the buildup of stress that can show up with anxiety or can show up as recurring pain.
So those are the people that are normally sitting in front of me.
I also do a lot of work with grief, particularly post-COVID and things like that,
as we are kind of shifting as a society after the pandemic and things like that.
And with things like sleep issues, mood disorders in general, lack of energy, things like that.
So yoga therapy can really help with most things because it's about teaching you how to
work with your body and work with your nervous system real time or even just be in your body
when you're having those experiences and things like that.
So it can help with a lot of different things, but I have sort of attracted mostly clients
that need to downregulate into my practice because those are the main tools that I need to use
all of the time as well, you know?
So I don't think that's a coincidence that those are the people I normally work with.
Totally. Our vibe attracts our trust, right?
That's me too.
Like, yep, yeah, resonates completely.
Some of us more like Vata.
Exactly.
All the way up here just needing to bring things back down to earth.
Yes. And if people are not familiar with Ayurveda, I usually describe it in terms of grounding.
You know, a lot of my clients need to learn how to ground or need grounding routines or rituals.
And every once in a while popping into a class might not be as helpful as being able to real time
in a very small way have some grounding tools in their day to day life.
Yeah, yeah. And you teach such a beautiful Yin yoga class.
Katie's candlelight, Yin at yoga is legendary.
It's like, that's the group grounding, which I love.
Yes.
And I've seen like really since COVID as well, just in excess of that kind of Vata imbalance
and that grounding that's needed for people.
So societally, I think we're kind of dysregulated often in that direction in terms of like,
oh, we're getting there's a lot of built up stress or a lot of scatteredness or a lot of
multitasking going on for us or like our screens and things like that that just kind of make us dysregulated in that way
or disconnected from our bodies in that way and it can show up often, you know, as anxiety,
but also just as like looping thoughts or like tension and things like that that turn into longer problems over
or bigger problems over time if we don't address them.
So true.
So it's about really getting into the root of those symptoms instead of just kind of bandaging over the symptom,
which we can sometimes do in our day to day life or in other kinds of medical settings.
Yeah. And I think the tendency is often to numb out, right?
Totally.
We're understandable. We're like, it's a lot. Everything's a lot.
So I just want to shut my brain off.
But sometimes when I do that by scrolling, right, it's actually doing the opposite.
Like it feels like, okay, let's just mindlessly scroll, but we're still taking in so much during that time.
All the time.
Stimuli.
Yes.
And so it's really like retraining our minds in the wrong way.
Yes.
Yeah. And it feels like it's helping in the moment and then we don't feel better later.
You know, root cause back into our bodies, like you said.
And then the other, yeah, the other big piece I would say is routine building for a lot of people.
Whether you've got routines in place already, but we want to kind of refine them or whether you're starting from zero with routines,
even just like a very simple like little morning routine or evening routine so that your nervous system and your circadian rhythm can kind of reset in terms of knowing when to have energy and when to know that it's morning
and when to be hungry and like things like that where if we don't have any consistency in our routines, that's just hard on our body and our nervous system.
So that's a main piece of yoga therapy is like the lifestyle management and the routine building.
And I think oftentimes people feel like they might expect those practices to be really long or they might come in initially and think that we're going to build like a long movement based yoga practice for them to take home,
which we can do if you'd like.
And if we do that, it'll be personalized for your body and like based on what's going on with your energetic state and things like that.
But really what we're doing more often in yoga therapy is building really small short practices that you're going to use daily or like a few times a week with consistency.
Instead of a long like here's an hour long practice you might do every week or like every couple weeks.
We really find that small practices with consistency are what help retrain the system.
So it's really meant to be accessible and something that you can either use real time as a tool if you're experiencing a symptom.
And also like maybe we do a little five minute thing in the morning or a little three minute thing in the evening like small over time with consistency we find to be a lot more effective.
Makes total sense.
Yeah.
Baby steps.
Yeah, absolutely.
Helps with that overwhelm of like, well, how do I get from here to there?
Yes.
Yeah.
And who has time to do hours and hours of things extra every day.
Nobody does.
So we want it to be accessible but it also is often more effective for it to be a smaller thing that you're actually going to use.
Yeah, makes sense.
Yeah.
Sounds like a beautiful blend of like yoga and like even holistic health coaching.
Yeah.
Yeah, it is actually pretty similar to that.
And it's so fun to be sitting with a person in real time and like trying out different tools and techniques and seeing what their system responds well to.
That's really my job as a yoga therapist.
Yeah.
And then I give them to you and they're just yours to take forever.
Yeah.
So cool.
Yeah.
Well, I want to hear about your story.
Yeah.
I just want to hear everybody's story like how they got to where they are because I find so much resonance in that and I think our listeners do too.
So thinking back upon your life.
What do you think?
And you can go as far back as you want.
Whatever makes sense to you.
How did you get here?
Yeah.
How did you decide to follow this path?
I always think back to when I first started practicing yoga at all, which is when I transitioned into college and like moved states and was living on my own for the first time and was just the most ungrounded I've ever felt in my life, you know, and I wouldn't have used that language back then.
But I just like, you know, how you feel when you're everything in your life is new all of a sudden.
Yeah.
And it just felt adrift and made some friends in college that took me to yoga with them sort of for the first time.
And there I went to University of Washington in Seattle.
There was a really beautiful yoga club that a girl had just started when I started at school called Yogis at UW.
And we had a different yoga teachers from the community come and teach free classes for this club.
It was almost like unlimited yoga was like $20 for the year.
Like it was just an unbelievable deal.
The girl that started it, I still think back to like what a gift you gave us when we were in this like phase of our life where we just were feeling a lot better.
We're feeling a lot of disconnection and a lot of change.
So yoga was the only thing that made me feel like myself again.
So yeah.
And it was like the grounding that I needed with consistency.
So I was getting like that space held for me and things like that.
So I was part of that club all of college and at the end of my maybe the middle of my senior year of college, I went into my first 200 hour teacher training because I just felt called to do it during college.
I wasn't sure I even wanted to teach, but I was like, there's just something for me here.
You know, I could tell.
Follow that little voice, little niggle.
Yeah.
It was in there and I actually didn't end up teaching too much at the first outset of coming out of training.
I was just teaching maybe one or two classes a week still to this day.
I'm not a teacher that can teach like 20 classes a week.
That's never been like good fit for my energy.
So I was teaching a little bit, but I was doing a lot of other trainings.
I was just anytime I could take a little intensive or like learn something new even after I had that 200 hour.
I was popping into those because I was like, there's so much more that I still want to learn.
And I really wanted to make sure that I would be able to hold space for whoever came to class.
Right.
You never know who's going to be in your class.
So I moved to Colorado in 2015.
I was in Boulder for a while, which is another great area for yoga.
And I ended up in 2017 finding a trauma informed training because I was just like,
I can feel that this is the next thing that I would like to kind of get familiar with.
And it was maybe a brief like 70 hour training spread out over a few like weekends.
And it ended up being an elective of the yoga therapy school that I went on to join.
And I didn't know what yoga therapy was in 2017.
I was just looking to be trauma informed.
I went into this wonderful program through Sundari yoga therapy is what it was called.
And that was in Denver here.
And a bunch of the people in the training were in their yoga therapy program.
And I was like, what is that?
Like you get to work how like this is what I've been looking for, you know,
of like I can hold space for people one on one and fill in some of the gaps that I had felt
in my own like medical care or therapeutic care and things like that.
So I went into the yoga therapy program in her piece yoga therapy is what it was called here.
They're in Denver, but they've got branches all over the US.
So it's great.
An accredited yoga therapy school in 2019.
The program takes between between usually two and a half and four years depending on how much
you want to spread out the modules and things like that.
Yeah, it's sort of like going back to school for first like one on one therapeutic application of yoga.
And is that in person?
Ours was in person, but they've got it fully virtual program now after COVID.
They've got hybrid programs and things like that.
Ours was in person the whole first year and then it was COVID 2020.
We went online and then our last year we were a hybrid of in person and online just because COVID made it
necessary for us to do that.
And actually that's how we ended up getting trained to do our work virtually as well.
I don't think they would have taught us to work virtually if not for COVID.
That's good timing then.
I know.
So like that's a little silver lining of like that horrible situation where we were home.
And so my cohort and my practice, you know, I work in person and virtually with people and we can do all of the
assessments that I do with people virtually if you don't live in the Denver area.
So that was great.
But once you're a 200 hour yoga teacher, which is what most studios require, you can go back into this yoga therapy
educational setting and you get another 800 hours of training over those years, however long it takes you to do it.
So by the time you finish, if you're going for the full certification to be a yoga therapist, which is a CIAYT is what it's called.
IYT is the International Association of Yoga Therapists that are our governing body.
They oversee those trainings here in the U.S.
They, and internationally actually, they're the international program.
But you come out with a thousand hours of that training and just a lot more knowledge of how to work with specific conditions.
So the whole beginning of the training, if you're listening to this and you are a 200 hour yoga teacher and you're like,
what is this?
You can take that 300 hour module from the inner peace program that I went through without knowing if you necessarily want to do a
full yoga therapy path.
The 300 hour is fabulous.
And it's every week of the program is a different specialty. So it's like yoga for cancer is one week with a teacher that specializes in that.
And then the next module is yoga for grief.
And then the next one is yoga for anxiety and depression.
And the next one is yoga for chronic pain.
And then there's a huge anatomy and structural component to the training and things like that.
And each module is led by a different teacher that has specialized in this work for a really long time.
So the faculty is just amazing.
Super cool.
Yeah. And then you learn what you want to specialize in over that course.
Yeah. Wow.
I was thinking about like how niche it can be.
And you kind of mentioned you work with people on grief sometimes too.
Yes.
It just has me thinking like, what are some of the things that you learn in those modules that you can remember about?
Sure.
It's all about how to apply the techniques to that specific condition.
So for grief, we were training with a grief specialist, just this incredible teacher who taught us both a physical practice to release grief and also a lot of the emotional and energetic components and research around how to move people through changing the relationship to whatever has been lost.
So like that was our training for grief.
And transforming the relationship to the thing that they were attached to that's no longer there because even that definition of grief was so interesting to me.
It's just like the loss of anything that we're attached to.
Yeah.
You know, it doesn't have to be a death, but like oftentimes it is.
But it's like a lot of the other things that we agree that we don't even think about are like a loss of a community or like a friendship changing or a job change or something that we...
It happens all the time that we don't think of as grief, but they are.
Yeah.
And there's not a lot of spaces to process that. So what happens, it gets stuck in our body and it turns into anxiety or it turns into depression or it turns into pain.
And so if we can get to the root cause and really make the person that's having that experience feel safe enough to release that, that's how we would facilitate that work.
That's beautiful.
Yeah.
And I think that if someone is so uncertain of why they're feeling a certain way after going through a big life shift, I can imagine it's very... It's very isolating, right?
Yeah.
And we've all been through it.
Yeah.
And just to know that like yoga therapy is a great tool for something even like that.
100%.
That's awesome.
I think a lot of times people don't know why they're coming in. They just know that something is wrong.
And then together we find out what the root issue is for them.
Yeah.
And then we can work from there.
And that's a big part of the intake process for yoga therapy.
We've got like long forms that are kind of letting your yoga therapist know what is going on for you physically.
What's going on for you emotionally?
What's going on for you day to day in a mental capacity?
What are your routines and practices like now?
What do you do when you feel stressed?
Like what do you feel emotionally on a regular basis and things like that?
So it's really comprehensive in terms of assessing people, which is so fun.
And then...
You've had a lot of awareness for even them.
Yes.
Come to those moments.
A lot of it is awareness based work, you know, because if you don't have the awareness, you can't regulate.
It's like awareness has to be there first.
And then from there, the ability to regulate hopefully just is like given back to you for like your day to day life, you know?
So I'm just like a mirror being like, is this what you're feeling?
Or like, what does it feel like to play with this?
Or like, what about this piece?
And we uncover together what feels best for them and then they get to take it with them.
That's incredible.
Important life changing work.
Yeah, it's nice.
And then the other thing I'll say to that that people often ask is how long the process is and that's really individualized as well.
You know, some people need to just come for a session.
I like to give them the option of just coming once.
Like I don't want you to feel like you have to book a ton of work at once if you're not sure how it's going to feel.
But if they come in for just an initial like full assessment session, we'll do a physical assessment.
We'll do a lifestyle eval.
We'll do an energetic assessment.
We'll do a breathing evaluation, which I have found to be huge because most people, even if they've done breathwork, don't know what their default breathing patterns are.
And breathwork I find is often more helpful once you know what your state is naturally.
What are you doing during the day when you're not paying attention to your breathing?
Like what is it like?
And then we put a tool in place from there.
I would say I do more functional breathing with people than like the breathwork that people think of in terms of those like bigger classes you might have been in.
And like retraining the diaphragm and things like that.
But using the breath to directly influence the nervous system and for stress, like everybody needs something a little bit different.
So we're doing all of those assessments in an initial session.
And then you take home what I call your first practices.
Like everybody takes a couple of things with them.
Like if we put this in place for you at this time of day or a couple times a week, whatever you want, it's going to move you toward the goals that we've identified for you in that first session.
And then if you want to do more work from there, we can because I like to layer in the practices slowly over time.
It takes a while to re-regulate the system or to change your habits or to build that awareness.
So people work with me anywhere between once, which is actually kind of rare, but you can totally come once.
Or you know, three to six months is pretty standard and it depends on what you need and how many follow up sessions you'd like.
And we can get more and more specific with the treatment planning over time and we layer things in as needed.
Makes so much sense. That's awesome.
Yeah, it's really fun.
Yeah.
I remember our session.
Yeah, we did a session together.
We were just saying it was about two years ago now.
It was two summers.
I know.
I'm freaking fly.
But I remember.
I remember it so well.
I remember like it was yesterday.
Like you watched me walk.
You watched me breathe.
You asked like really thoughtful questions about my lifestyle, what was working, what wasn't.
And yeah, the breathwork you suggested for me.
I actually just taught it in one of my classes recently.
And I think of you every time I think of breath and joy.
Yeah.
I love that.
Well, and I think that you're a really good example of how you can work with clients really differently in yoga therapy,
whether they have experience in the world of yoga or not.
Like I would say it's almost a 50-50 split, whether my clients have ever set foot in a yoga studio before.
Like you don't have to have any experience with yoga for yoga therapy to be effective for you.
Or I have people that have been practicing for years or that are teachers and like healers themselves like you that come in.
And when you've got that incredible level of awareness already and the ability to kind of tune into your nervous system already,
we can get even deeper with the tools, you know.
So with you, I remember being able to do both grounding practices for you
or an enhancement of the practices that you already use in your life.
And things to upregulate or to energize like you were talking about.
Because oftentimes we need both.
We need a tool that can calm us down.
Or if you think like anxious or stress moment, what do I do to calm my system to move this out of my body?
And then we often also need tools to energize when we're in balance in the other direction.
We're exhausted, fatigued, depression, those kind of things.
We need different tools for those things.
So like that's also a big part of what the assessments are for
and what working one-on-one with somebody can do.
Yeah, but that was so fun. I loved doing that with you.
So good. Yeah.
Some of the other things we that you what were part of my treatment plan where I think setting alarms for myself.
Yes, while you were working and things like that.
I totally remember and just that awareness piece day to day.
I'll have people who work from home and they're like there's no break up of my day for like work versus my life.
Because my work is at home now and like I just can't work anytime.
So I'm not I'm not eating on a regular schedule. I'm never moving my body.
I'm not getting outside like or I'm working late into the night.
My body doesn't know when to go to sleep like things like that.
So and like just the awareness around that and then popping in tools during the day and things like that can be really helpful.
And like again, they're small. They're like a quick moment to like regulate your system again.
Yeah, for sure. For sure. It's so helpful.
I remember I should turn them back on.
See we did it in and out of our practices. That is normal.
We all do.
Even just like once a day now like that.
Well twice a day I think would be great because like my mid morning and my mid afternoon slump where I can just get so dialed in so focus
and my emails and my Slack messages that like just standing up and going for a walk.
Yeah, like we're going to pop in a little somatic tool here like a little breathing practice here that literally takes two minutes.
You know, and then you're going to go back into what you were doing.
But at the end of the day, hopefully you won't have that brain fog or you won't have that fatigue or you won't have that sleep problem that you had like not you but anybody that's coming in.
For those moments like that is the point of being able to use the tools as needed.
Yeah, it can be so small like a two minute little something not even and it just shifts everything.
Yeah, it's like it brings you back home to yourself.
It does.
It reminds you that like you're more than your work.
Yes.
That like you are worth stepping away for a moment and taking a breath and then just remembering who the fuck you are.
Exactly.
Until you go back into your emails.
But that's actually the last way I named my business what I did my business is named reconnection yoga therapy and the underlying philosophy for yoga therapy is that everybody is born like perfect and healthy and connected like totally divine and like we just forget about that.
You know, so that in our healing work, we're not fixing a thing that's broken.
We're just like remembering and reconnecting with that true nature that we all have in common.
And we just need different practices to help us like uncover that again and feel that again and that connection to self and that wholeness is the medicine for most of us.
Yeah, you know, the medicine.
Yeah.
Well, you've been doing this for quite some time now and I'm sure you've seen so many different people and help so many people with so many different things. Are there any like success stories that stick out in your mind that you'd like to share?
There are and I was thinking about this today because the holistic treatment is really interesting because we're trying to never just work on one layer alone.
So that might be like we're not just trying to be like physically you got to do this like yoga thinks that everything is connected.
Right.
Of course.
So, but when I was thinking about some of my clients, a lot of them stand out to me in terms of like what did they come in for and then what ended up happening, right?
So I've had a few clients I was thinking about recently like people come for all different things. It's crazy.
And one of my clients recently was coming for like tinnitus like ringing in the ears like all the time that like never went away.
And a blend of practices that didn't only address that physical piece, but we did address that we had to address the physical piece as well and build some little routines.
We did some physical work. We did some breathing work. We did some somatic release practices.
We did some Vegas nerves like nervous system based resets for him and things like that and built them into a practice that he took with him.
Like solved it.
But I say like it's it's he calls them like is the ringing on or is the ringing off with the language that he would use and the percentage of days where it was off or where he if it he woke up and it was on he could turn it off just skyrocketed and like blows my mind.
I know you could do that.
I know and it was really special because people are not usually coming to a yoga therapist first. They're coming to me when they've seen a million other people right.
Most people don't know what the modality is yet. So they've seen all these other kinds of specialists and things like that.
That's pretty common before they get to me.
One of my other clients I was thinking about in conjunction with this client was is like a chronic neck pain client like chronic pain and he had seen everybody under the sun for it and was like I might as well show me online.
I might as well try this and we're still working together actually just like building on the play we've been working together for more than six months actually having a nice time really just like spacing out the sessions now for follow up work but this is the only modality per him and like a little review that he left me.
That's that's helped long term at all.
He was like a therapy by far been the solution with the best results not only for decreasing the amount of pain that I have but real time now if it flares I have tools that make it go like that just gives people their life back.
You know if you were like constant pain constant ringing what do I do I can't do anything about this is how they come in to even re empower people to feel good in their body even for a brief amount of time and hopefully for a longer period of time as they get used to the tools.
Those two men stick out in my mind as situations where nothing had worked and just the blend of like working with the whole system instead of just the physical body was exactly what they needed.
And then in the energetic or emotional realm I was thinking more about a client of mine who was coming for anxiety.
And the first session we just like reviewed she had practices already she was in the like healing space herself as a career and was taking good care of herself by like any account you know.
But one of the techniques that she was doing in her practice was a breathing practice that often causes anxiety and she just didn't know that you know.
So even just evaluating the systems that people already have in place are the things that they turn to that they use whether that's an embodied practice or something like scrolling like you're saying you know what do we use to self soothe.
What do we think is assisting maybe used to help us what do we need now instead.
This is a big part of the evils like we just changed that breathing practice for her and she's like I never send you a message like right after maybe a week after being like anxiety down by at least 80% already like this is such a game changer like right away oftentimes you know and then you can build on it over time and really get into.
More and more goals that people have for their health.
But those I was just thinking about some of those clients today where it was like.
Such a small shift created such a big impact and how they feel day to day yeah.
That's amazing.
Yeah, thank you.
It's making me think right now my husband Kyle.
He's comfortable with me sharing this he I asked him but he is currently on a short term disability short absence for three months to really focus on his mental health.
I love that he can do that.
That's great.
Good for him.
I mean yeah he just anybody can do it.
I just wanted to share this anybody can do it.
Yeah.
The state.
Yeah.
And so like he if you go see your doctor and your doctor can vouch for you that this is in fact like bad enough.
Then they just write a note and your employer has to allow it.
That's excellent.
They keep your job for you they still pay you a bit and then you can also fill in the gaps if your state Colorado has a program for that.
Oh wow.
And so yeah it's like there are these tools and resources that are available and dire times so that people don't just completely lose themselves.
And in this time I've been really encouraging him to do this for a while and I'm so proud of him.
Yeah.
And so I think that mental health is not something that we can just like you know force to get better and like try to figure out ourselves.
So now he's at this beautiful place where he's seeing his behavioral health therapist twice a week and he's looking for other resources.
And so I totally get my way.
I would love to see him.
And again like even we can just do like a one off session and send him home with some stuff to try you know like it's all trial based people can come back anytime if they want to add more sessions.
Or like turn one or two sessions into a longer package they can but you don't always need to it just depends you know.
So a little somebody sitting with you and just talking through those elements of your life and then helping you refine small things about your day to day can be huge.
Totally.
I love that for him.
I'd love to see him.
Oh that would be so great.
Good for him.
Yeah.
Oh okay this has been so insightful so helpful thank you so much.
Thank you.
How can our listeners connect with you?
Oh yeah.
There's a lot more.
So my business is reconnection yoga therapy you can find me at reconnectionyogatherapy.com.
I've got a lot more information about yoga therapy if you're wondering about how it works on my website and my business is on Instagram reconnectionyogatherapy and you can find me at nurture where my physical practice is I just love it there.
For the one-on-one work I also do assisted stretching body work there and my yoga and soon to be mobility classes as we expand our movement program at nurture so yeah reach out.
If people have questions I take a lot of like email questions or DM questions on Instagram whatever your preferred contact method is just about what yoga therapy might be able to do for you.
So reach out anytime it's my favorite thing to talk about.
You do so well.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for having me.
Oh my gosh of course and thank you all so much for listening.
We hope you got a lot of value out of this and really we're all about helping give you all some more tools for your tool belt to help you along your own spiritual and mental health and physical journeys.
So as of today while we're recording this episode Jen and I just launched our October retreat.
So it's our annual witchy spirituality and yoga retreat.
It's going to be in Salem Massachusetts and a lot of you have already asked us and learned more about it and signed up at this point as of this morning it is May the fourth as we're recording.
I know this episode comes out next Friday but right now we have three spots left.
So if you're interested in putting into practice a lot of the tools and resources that we talked about here in the pod meeting Jen and I in Salem just having a really fun special witchy weekend with our coven joining it.
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Thank you all so much.
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Thank you and we'll see y'all soon.