1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,880 Hello, everybody, and welcome to a new episode of the Awaken Together podcast. 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:19,280 I'm Kat, and today in this very special episode, I'm joined with my friend, Jack Golden. 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,280 Welcome, Jack. 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,280 Thank you. 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,560 I'm excited to be here. 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:24,800 Thanks for being here. 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:30,000 Today, we're going to be talking all about intuitive eating, and we figured what better 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:36,560 time of year to have this episode than the day after Thanksgiving, with food being just 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,560 very prevalent in our lives, heading into the holiday season. 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:47,040 Jack just has so much good insight and experience in this topic. 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:52,920 So to give a little background on Jack, she has an intuitive eating body image coach, 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,080 a yoga teacher, and a dietetic student right now. 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:02,480 And Jack, I remember you and I actually met, I think it was when we first started teaching 14 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,280 at Black Swan, right? 15 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:05,280 Yeah. 16 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,400 I got how many years has that been now? 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,400 Like three or so years ago? 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,400 Yeah. 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,280 I remember meeting you in the studio and then finding out we both were into health coaching 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,200 and just like had a lot in common. 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,440 So I was really happy to come across you there. 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:19,440 Yeah. 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:25,520 And that kind of just blossomed into a beautiful friendship of healthy dates and connecting 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:32,880 on coaching and kind of this like niche that we found ourselves in, like similar but different 25 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,280 with me and holistic health coaching and you and intuitive eating. 26 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:42,600 And just, I remembered learning so much from you and your approach and your group programs 27 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,880 and everything you were creating was really inspiring for me. 28 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,880 So just remember. 29 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:48,880 Thanks. 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,680 Of course. 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:59,480 So for anybody who intuitive eating as a concept is new to, I know it's very prevalent and 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,200 like the health and wellness space, I'd say right now in the past couple of years, but 33 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:09,120 for anybody who this is a new concept to, could you please share what is intuitive eating? 34 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,280 Yeah. 35 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:18,840 So I kind of like to think of intuitive eating as a methodology that people follow or more 36 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,040 so like a lifestyle because it does go beyond just like the way you eat food. 37 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,720 And so intuitive eating was actually coined by two dietitians back in the 90s. 38 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:33,720 So although it's really popular right now, it has actually been around for probably close 39 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:42,640 to 30 years now and was originally created in a way to really to be used as treatment 40 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:44,720 for eating disorder. 41 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:51,640 And it started to expand from there into like I said, a methodology and a lifestyle really 42 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:55,200 that can be applied to anybody. 43 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:04,680 So if you think about from a very simple concept of what it is, babies are our most intuitive 44 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,680 eaters. 45 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:12,360 I'm actually experiencing this right now with my infant and basically they know when 46 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,800 they're hungry, they know when they're full, they know what they want to eat, they know 47 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,600 how much they want to eat and they stop when they're satisfied. 48 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:27,280 And that is like the most basic view of it is really trusting your internal cues. 49 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:33,200 So there are 10 principles of intuitive eating and if you become an intuitive eater, typically 50 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,240 would work through the 10 principles that have to do with like mindful eating, lots 51 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,240 of mindset works. 52 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,800 There's a lot of involvement around your mental state, the way you interact with your thoughts. 53 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,480 There is a principle around movement. 54 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:55,520 So outside of food, how we have a relationship with our body and movement and whatnot. 55 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:03,160 But yeah, on a basic level, it is a framework of trusting your internal cues in your body. 56 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:10,680 So instead of listening to external, dieting is very prevalent these days. 57 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,800 We all know that especially around the holidays. 58 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:18,560 So instead of having a diet, tell you how much to eat, what ingredients are okay. 59 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:24,720 You really rebuild a connection with your own body and your own intuitive wisdom. 60 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,280 So there's that intuitive piece comes in and it's relying on your intuition around what 61 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:30,680 food sounds good. 62 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:38,200 How much of that food you want, understanding when you are satisfied and the meal is complete. 63 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:43,960 So that we, yeah, basically just coming back to our intuition when it comes to food. 64 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:44,960 That's incredible. 65 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,960 And I mean, it seems so obvious, right? 66 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:48,960 Yes. 67 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:55,800 An important tool for us to all build a relationship with in our lives. 68 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:02,240 Like we're all born with it, but somewhere along the way, we're just taught to ignore 69 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,240 our body's cues. 70 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,240 Yeah. 71 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,880 Like if you think about it, like think about kids. 72 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,720 If you've ever been around toddlers, you've probably heard their parents complain like, 73 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,240 I can't get them to eat anything. 74 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,320 All they want to do is snack all day. 75 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,280 Like I can't get them to sit down for a meal. 76 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:18,800 They eat and they want to leave and play. 77 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,880 And you know, there could be some underlying other things going on there. 78 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:29,040 But kids know, you know, we're born with this wisdom of understanding like, okay, I've had 79 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,920 a few bites or I need one more bite and then I'm satisfied and I'm done and I can get up 80 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,080 and walk away from my plate. 81 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,120 And that is just like, unfortunately, probably kind of rare for adults. 82 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:45,000 You hear people say like, oh, I need to stop, you know, when they're eating as if they don't 83 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,880 have any control over what they put into their body. 84 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:55,040 And so it is something that we have to come back to and relearn. 85 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,040 We're all born with it. 86 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,760 So you have that wisdom. 87 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,720 We've been there before. 88 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:06,520 It's really our society and our societal views around food and body image and health that 89 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,880 have really taken us away from intuitive eating. 90 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:10,880 Totally. 91 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,240 And a word that you said, control. 92 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,720 I think this is so prevalent as it relates to food. 93 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,280 And just speaking for myself back in high school, I really struggled with an eating disorder 94 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:27,560 myself and intuitive eating was so far from my mind. 95 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:33,400 Just as a concept, obviously I didn't know it existed back then as like a methodology. 96 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:41,280 But I was just constantly looking outside myself for diets and like diet pills and all 97 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:49,000 sorts of different ways to control and restrict and prevent myself from eating because it 98 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,040 is so intertwined with our self-worth and body image. 99 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,680 And there's just so much of that. 100 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:04,040 So it makes complete sense and like the most healing way possible that this is created 101 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,320 to help heal eating disorders. 102 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:12,640 Just like that mind, body connection and getting just back into our bodies and that beautiful 103 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,800 remembering like you said of what we all came onto this earth here with knowing. 104 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:18,800 Yeah, exactly. 105 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:26,200 I'm like, well, it's helpful for individuals who have struggled with a disorder of eating, 106 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,760 which I think a lot of people start to just think about like control and restriction. 107 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,960 It's really helpful for people who have struggled with binge eating in the past. 108 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:40,680 It's honestly, I think it's helpful for people who have like zero appetite for certain things. 109 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:49,080 There's really a practice for anywhere and everywhere and it is, I like to think for 110 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,880 someone like yourself who is like focused on holistic health, it really intertwines that 111 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,680 mind and body piece together. 112 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,280 So I think it's a practice for every single person, whether they think they struggle with 113 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,840 food or not. 114 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,720 It's really a beautiful practice of coming home to your own body, having a pretty strong 115 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,200 connection to your body and your intuition and who doesn't want that, right? 116 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,920 So I think it's definitely becoming more popular as it becomes a practice that everyone can 117 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,200 adopt not just individuals who are working on their relationship with food. 118 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,120 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 119 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,560 I mean, I just love it. 120 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:26,640 I love that it exists. 121 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:33,640 I think it's one of those beautiful healing tools that is led with compassion and self-trust. 122 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:40,320 And I think there's a lot of tools out there that like even like intermittent fasting, like 123 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,200 for example, my mom has been trying this recently and she's been telling me about it. 124 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:53,160 And it's not something that I have decided to ever do for myself because I don't love 125 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:59,280 the idea of denying my body food when it's hungry because to me that just slips into a 126 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:06,400 dangerous place of old familiar patterns and habits that really just make me feel right. 127 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:11,840 Sure, like I've heard it does work for some people and so I'm not here to prescribe one 128 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,720 thing or another to anybody. 129 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:21,960 But I think any tool that leads with compassion and just trusting your internal cues, like 130 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,840 that's a really positive thing and like a light should go off in our heads of like the 131 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:32,120 ones that are positive and the ones that like maybe we should think twice about. 132 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,320 Totally agree and trust is a really big piece of it because unfortunately as the diet world 133 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:43,720 continues to grow and becomes it was already like a $70 billion industry and you know, 134 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:49,880 the holidays by the time most people are listening to this, it's going to be like at the forefront 135 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,200 and really shove down people's throats. 136 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,280 And so that is the time when we need to all work on rebuilding trust and kind of put that 137 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:02,720 into our forefront of our minds because if you are someone who has like relied on diets 138 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:09,440 in the past, if they were meant to work, there wouldn't be so many of them, right? 139 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,080 You know, there's always a new diet coming out and it's because they're not meant to 140 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:18,280 last, they don't work and we're always seeking something and seeking externally and seeking 141 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,640 honestly validation and prescription and rules to follow. 142 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:29,160 And so yeah, I would agree the whole piece on empathy and rebuilding trust are like really 143 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,480 key for me because that's something that I had to do for myself too that I was really 144 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,480 missing. 145 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:35,480 Mm-hmm. 146 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,480 Yeah. 147 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,680 So thinking about your work with people, can you share about what you've helped people 148 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:43,400 with in the past as an intuitive eating coach? 149 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,400 Yeah. 150 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,400 So I have helped clients with a range of issues. 151 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:56,360 So people typically come towards me and my work because they feel either out of control 152 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,960 around food, they feel like they have obsessive thoughts. 153 00:10:59,960 --> 00:11:04,760 So things maybe we could categorize under disordered eating patterns, meaning they're 154 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:10,680 not participating in bodily harm and like active restriction, like an active eating 155 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:11,680 disorder. 156 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:16,240 However, they feel uncomfortable in their relationship with food, whether that's, like 157 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:25,200 I said, obsessive thoughts, feeling out of control around food, having some distrust 158 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,880 with their body, not being able to tap into their own intuition, like really not being 159 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:35,760 able to even dictate what an internal cue is. 160 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:41,040 The further we get away from that, unfortunately, the harder it can be to hear those internal 161 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,040 cues. 162 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:47,480 And so I've helped people who have recovered from an active eating disorder, but feel like 163 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,360 they're in kind of that like quasi recovery stage where they're no longer harming themselves, 164 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,200 but they still don't feel really comfortable. 165 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,560 Food doesn't feel easy for them. 166 00:11:56,560 --> 00:12:01,880 So a lot of the people would describe, food is hard, food is complicated, food is messy 167 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:02,880 for me. 168 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,280 I don't feel safer on myself. 169 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:11,160 I don't feel comfortable in my own skin with my body size. 170 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,360 And that leads to food. 171 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:19,440 People want to overcompensate with exercise and kind of get into these different, pretty 172 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,040 common mentalities like around earning and burning food. 173 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,080 Those are just some of the like thoughts that tend to come up a lot with clients that I've 174 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,400 worked with. 175 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:37,000 So I would say that's kind of on a larger scale things that I've helped people with. 176 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:47,160 And on some like smaller wins, for instance, I know specifically I've helped a client who 177 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,400 wanted to eat one of her favorite foods again. 178 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,640 It had gotten to a point, she loves chips. 179 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:58,120 And I've gotten to a point where she wasn't allowing herself to buy chips, have chips. 180 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:04,640 She felt completely out of control and lost around that specific food. 181 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:09,440 And so I got her to a place where she could have chips in the house, have a few different 182 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:15,400 times, eat them when she wanted to, had like enough, felt like she didn't need to have 183 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,120 them every single day, really get her to a place of neutrality. 184 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:25,400 So that's kind of an aim I'm working for with people is get them to a place where food is 185 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,400 pretty neutral. 186 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,400 It doesn't hold so much power over individuals. 187 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,440 Food becomes easy. 188 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,640 It doesn't require as much thought as we've put into it before. 189 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:40,880 So I would say that's kind of the big goal most people have is they want food to be 190 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:41,880 easy. 191 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,720 They don't want to be stuck in their thoughts around it all the time. 192 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,400 And that looks different for everybody for one person and chips for another person and 193 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,400 dessert. 194 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,280 And they wanted to be able to have cookies in the house and be able to enjoy cookies 195 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:59,560 without binging on them because they had a history of emotional eating and binge eating. 196 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:09,080 So getting people to a place where they can enjoy food again and not be in a spiral mentally 197 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,840 during that time is one of my favorite things. 198 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,840 And I'm so grateful to be able to help people with that. 199 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Yeah, it's amazing. 200 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:24,000 And I think like for folks who haven't personally experienced this, they might hear us talking 201 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,920 about like chips and cookies and like, you know, the control that they have over your 202 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,120 lives and not totally understand it. 203 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:38,240 But for folks like us who have been there and have experienced Disordered Eating, just 204 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:44,280 that freedom to not have, you know, we have thousands of thoughts every single day to not 205 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:51,120 have so many of them be centered around control and food. 206 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,040 Like that is life changing. 207 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,160 So it's really important. 208 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:02,440 Yeah, that like term freedom, like I would say you might see it and are changed with 209 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:08,960 intuitive eating on social media platforms, people reference food freedom, because that's 210 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,000 really what the word gives you. 211 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,920 Like you said, we have so many thoughts a day. 212 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:18,160 I know there's been times in my life where I've spent 70% of my day thinking about food, 213 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:23,400 whether it was thinking about what I had eaten earlier and making myself either feel bad 214 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,240 about it or obsessing over how much I ate, thinking about future meals. 215 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:34,400 It was constantly like backtracking what I had eaten, doing mental calculations to prepare 216 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,040 for what I could eat for the next few meals. 217 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,840 It became obsessive when I started to have plans with friends around food. 218 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:49,080 Like the amount of time I spent in my day thinking about food and it typically being 219 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,360 in a negative headspace that really does start to take a toll on you. 220 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:58,720 So I would say one of the biggest things that this does aside from allowing you to like 221 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,840 keep chips in your house, like you said, is really to have that freedom and that mental 222 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:04,840 clarity. 223 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,720 And I know that's something when I first started this work on my own journey, right? 224 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,600 Because that's what led me here is I had to do this work myself is I needed that mental 225 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,600 space back. 226 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:15,600 I'm a busy person. 227 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:21,840 I don't have time to be spending that much time thinking about something so trivial and 228 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,360 it didn't have the availability. 229 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,800 And I was missing out on a lot in my life because of how much time I was obsessing over 230 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:30,800 it. 231 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,000 And so I needed that time back. 232 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,600 I wanted to be free. 233 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,440 And I would say that probably resonates for a lot of people too. 234 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,920 Oh yeah, absolutely. 235 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:39,920 Yeah. 236 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,640 Do you remember like, did you have one moment or something? 237 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:51,520 Like what led you to that moment of like, okay, something has to give and was the catalyst 238 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,920 for you to make a change? 239 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:54,920 Yeah. 240 00:16:54,920 --> 00:17:02,120 So in college, I had an undiagnosed eating disorder and kind of went to go see help. 241 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:10,400 Didn't really get the help I needed, but got myself to a place where I was no longer 242 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,400 like actively harming myself. 243 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,920 Kind of got my way to a study point. 244 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:22,360 And from there, I just basically like fell into disordered eating patterns, which I know 245 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:27,480 it sounds kind of confusing for people who might be a little bit new or not fully understand 246 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,280 the clinical side of things. 247 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:35,880 But my weight was steady, I was still eating, but my mental state was horrible. 248 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:47,360 And some of my behaviors were not super healthy and really just time consuming, I describe. 249 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:53,000 And after I graduated from college, I moved to Austin and I was living in Austin for a 250 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,000 few years. 251 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,560 And I just remember I worked at a startup. 252 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:57,560 I didn't, I had roommates. 253 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,960 I didn't have a whole lot of money. 254 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:06,040 And I had a boyfriend at the time and he had a great relationship with food. 255 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:11,080 I remember there being really specific moments where we would like go get a bagel and cream 256 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,640 cheese, which I love a bagel and cream cheese. 257 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:18,400 Like, and it needs to have a ton of cream cheese, but he would eat it and like, he would 258 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,160 just eat it and go about his day. 259 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,560 And he wouldn't talk about it and he enjoyed it. 260 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:29,200 And I started to think I was like, I wonder if he's having the thoughts that I'm having. 261 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:34,000 I'm eating this bagel and I'm telling myself, I can't have any bread for the rest of the 262 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:35,000 day. 263 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,000 No more carbs. 264 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000 I definitely need to exercise. 265 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:46,040 Like, basically trying to compensate because I thought that eating that bagel was bad. 266 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,800 And so I started to realize that like, oh, there's people around me who don't have these 267 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:56,280 kind of thoughts and seeing him have a good relationship with food kind of led me to be 268 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,720 like, oh, can it, can it be different than this? 269 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,880 And around the same time, I also started to get extremely stressed out about going out 270 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:06,880 with friends. 271 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,880 You know, this was the first time in my life that I was living pretty independently and 272 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,160 like making my own money and making new friends. 273 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:22,040 The more people wanted to go out together in Austin, the more I felt myself starting 274 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:29,720 to like stay home and kind of hibernate a little because I was scared of the food because 275 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:34,960 I wanted to wake up early in the morning and exercise because I wasn't okay during the 276 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:40,920 day if I didn't exercise and exercising was a method of control for myself. 277 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,480 I didn't want to go out and drink with people because I was worried about calories and the 278 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,400 alcohol and it really kept me from having a good time. 279 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:55,080 And honestly, the people around me were probably the ones that opened up my eyes that, oh, what 280 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,560 I'm doing is not normal. 281 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,360 Other people aren't really living this way. 282 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:03,960 And this is starting to be a bit consuming. 283 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,200 So that was kind of the catalyst to the work. 284 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:14,040 And I will say it took me a while to be ready, which everyone has to come to it in their own 285 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,040 way. 286 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,560 But I did start to notice and realize that I was getting exhausted. 287 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:26,680 I just, you know, I eventually started going out with people and trying. 288 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:32,840 And then I just realized that my, although I could change my behaviors, I could go out 289 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,360 with people. 290 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:36,280 I could go to dinner with friends. 291 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,520 I just found my thoughts to be so consuming. 292 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:46,720 Like you were saying, I just, I needed that mental freedom and I didn't have that. 293 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,520 So that led me to really realize something has to change. 294 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:55,320 I can't live like this forever because it's consuming and it's going to keep me from doing 295 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,600 other things in my life. 296 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,280 Thank you so much for sharing that. 297 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,280 You know, it's real. 298 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,280 It's vulnerable. 299 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,280 It's hard. 300 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,880 And I think that a lot of listeners will be able to actually resonate with your message 301 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,520 and your experience when you shared. 302 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,640 So thank you for that. 303 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,240 And it's beautiful also that like those people around you and your life at that time could 304 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:23,040 act as expanders and inspire you to, of what's possible, right? 305 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:28,400 How people can eat a bagel and cream cheese and not feel bad. 306 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:34,520 And I think that's like so not even within the realm of possibility when you're so in 307 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:40,160 that place that we do sometimes need to look outward and see that other people can do this 308 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,160 and be like, okay, well, they can do it. 309 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,160 I can do it. 310 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,160 Totally. 311 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:51,920 And I think sharing details of stories and experiences is so important because, you know, 312 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,400 that's how I found intuitive eating. 313 00:21:53,400 --> 00:22:00,160 And I found it through somebody else who had basically been down the same road I had been 314 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,160 and she had been practicing intuitive eating and started to share with others and create 315 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,520 just like a community for support through the whole process. 316 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,520 And that's where, where I found it. 317 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,000 And I realized, wow, like there's a lot of people who have been living the same life 318 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,960 that I've been living and it doesn't have to be this way and seeing her on the other 319 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:27,400 side, having gone through the work and really putting in the effort to heal her relationship 320 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,400 with food. 321 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,520 I realized it was possible. 322 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:36,120 And so I always share because I know there's people out there struggling right now, especially 323 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,120 this time of year. 324 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:39,000 It is so hard. 325 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,400 And so I want people to hear the story and hear the message and know that people have 326 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,560 walked that same road ahead of you and they are already there. 327 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:54,040 And so I hope that in sharing, I'm an open look anyway, but I hope that in sharing that 328 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:59,360 it just inspires other people to know that there is another path forward in life and 329 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,120 things don't always have to be this messy with food. 330 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,800 Yeah, such an important message. 331 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,040 Thank you for that. 332 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,560 And in thinking about like that shift from being in that place where a bagel and cream 333 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:19,080 cheese was scary and having to work out and just have that really influence your life 334 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:24,640 to finding intuitive eating through that girl and diving into it yourself. 335 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:30,680 I'm curious now, what would you say intuitive eating has done for you? 336 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,080 Intuitive eating has honestly changed the whole trajectory of my life. 337 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:41,200 I originally went to school to study art and art history and started working in the creative 338 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:46,720 field and upon finding intuitive eating, well, let me backtrack. 339 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,480 I do think that I was meant to be a helper in some capacity. 340 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:57,080 I've always been attracted to teaching yoga, I got my yoga teaching certificate, got my 341 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,800 health coaching certificate. 342 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,120 There's always been something in me that was wanting to help other people. 343 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:10,680 And sadly that came in the form of like giving diet advice back in college when I was in 344 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,480 the throws, you know, I was like, oh, well, I can lose weight. 345 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,520 I can manipulate my body. 346 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,400 Let me teach others how to do it. 347 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,840 Let me help others who want that too. 348 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,400 So I've always kind of had this capacity to want to lead others. 349 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,360 I'm passionate about leadership and want to help everyone. 350 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:34,360 And so finding intuitive eating, because it changed my life so much and really woke me 351 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:38,600 up, I was like, I think this is the path that I want to take. 352 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,780 This is going to be how I help people. 353 00:24:40,780 --> 00:24:43,520 This is going to be my legacy pretty much. 354 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,520 And not just that. 355 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,160 Do you know a human design, Jack? 356 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:49,160 I don't. 357 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:56,160 I know my, an eagram and a little bit of my birth chart, but I don't know my human design. 358 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,160 Okay, we'll have to look at that. 359 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,160 Yeah, yeah, I'd be curious. 360 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,680 I resonate too. 361 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:08,800 Yeah, but I just like have always wanted to lead and help people. 362 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:14,600 And so I kind of went back and forth for a few years on like how to do that. 363 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,160 And so that's where the coaching aspect came from is like really being there as a guide 364 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,800 for others. 365 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,320 And then through that, I realized I want more clinical experience. 366 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,360 I want to help people on a larger scale. 367 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:34,560 So that's when I decided to go back to school and pursue my master's in nutrition and dietetics 368 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,480 to become a registered dietitian. 369 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:44,880 So I am in school right now getting my master's and really learning all the key things I need 370 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:50,960 in order to help people with this, even, you know, even better in the future. 371 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:56,040 So finding intuitive eating honestly really changed my life because I don't know what 372 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,240 I'd be doing career wise. 373 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:04,400 If I hadn't found it so I'm grateful that it kind of gave me that push and I do feel 374 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,960 very fulfilled knowing I'll go back to school and can build a long term dietetics practice 375 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,960 around it. 376 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,760 Yeah, that's so awesome. 377 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:18,360 And what a beautiful time in your life to have found it too because now you know, like 378 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:25,640 you're on your path to help others even deeper in these ways and your mom. 379 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:32,240 And I can only imagine how helpful intuitive eating was in that knowledge during pregnancy 380 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,200 and seeing your body change and all these ways and all of that. 381 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,200 Absolutely. 382 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:45,080 Yeah, so I have always known that I wanted to be a mom and have a family and in part 383 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,120 that was like part of my like push to heal too. 384 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:55,160 As I said, this stuff can often be generational and like you were talking about your mom is 385 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:00,840 doing intermittent fasting like it's just we share that you know, if you know, the messaging 386 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:06,360 that moms get around their bodies and honestly just women and society. 387 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:10,600 We passed that down to our children and I said I don't want to do that. 388 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,560 I don't want my thoughts and my behaviors and my beliefs around my body and my food. 389 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,360 I don't want that to be passed down to my kids. 390 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:24,040 So that really gave me the push to know I needed to do this and make these changes in 391 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,080 order to have a happy family in the future. 392 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:35,040 And so I'm very grateful that I put in the work and it was incredibly helpful when it 393 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:41,480 came time to have a kid because let me tell you that going through pregnancy is wild. 394 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:51,680 The hunger changes, the changes to your appetite alone and the changes to your body and the 395 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,520 fact that you kind of have to be open and have acceptance because you just don't know 396 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,680 what's going to come your way. 397 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,640 They can try to you know, predict, you know, your weight gain. 398 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,920 They can try to tell you what symptoms are going to experience or food aversion. 399 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,280 You might have but it really is different for everybody. 400 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:15,840 And so the fact that I had already gone through this work and was in a comfortable place when 401 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:21,640 the time came that I had severe food aversions and I'm not kidding you for like two to three 402 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,200 weeks, all I could eat were crackers. 403 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,280 That's all I could eat and previous me probably would have spiraled. 404 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,080 I would have said I need my vegetables. 405 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,080 I need my fruit. 406 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:36,040 I need to eat things that are, I can't see them, quote unquote healthy. 407 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,960 I can't eat things that are unhealthy for too long or my body's going to change. 408 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,960 My health is going to fail. 409 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:47,320 And so being in a place where I can accept this is the season that I'm in, my body will 410 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,320 be okay. 411 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,560 I will have fruits and vegetables again in the future. 412 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080 It's okay if I don't for a time period. 413 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,480 Let me trust my body and trust what my body is meeting right now. 414 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,360 Let me respect my body by giving it what it feels best. 415 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,600 That was buttered noodles for a little while. 416 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,600 That was honestly simple carbs. 417 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,120 All I could eat was simple carbs for a while. 418 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:14,440 So I needed to be in a place mentally where I was okay with that because aside from feeling 419 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:22,360 sick and sick to your stomach and nauseous all day long, since it's not just the morning, 420 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,160 you also don't really want to be worried about the food you're eating because you're already 421 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,520 worried about your body and your baby and you just want to feel better. 422 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,920 So the fact that I didn't have to worry about the food piece, the fact that I didn't have 423 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:41,880 to worry about and stress that, oh, my boobs are getting a little bit bigger, my butt seems 424 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,520 a little bit wider, my stomach has gotten really soft. 425 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,920 The fact that I didn't have to harp on that and I could fully be present and be in a space 426 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:55,360 where I was excited to welcome a child and not just be concerned about the way my body 427 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:01,600 was changing but really focus on the beautiful things that my body was doing for my baby 428 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,760 and trusting it. 429 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:11,320 I went through all the pregnancy with a mantra that my body knows what it's doing and I trust 430 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:17,040 my body and I trust my biology, meaning my body regulates itself. 431 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,960 It gains the weight that it needs. 432 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,800 It gains the weight and puts it where it needs. 433 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,320 It holds on to fat as it needs. 434 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,840 I am eating these foods because this is what my body needs from me right now and being 435 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:37,520 in a place where I can be fully accepting of that and trusting in that and respecting 436 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:48,320 intuition, respecting those cues was absolutely crucial and made for not only a pleasant pregnancy 437 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:55,160 but similarly postpartum because feeding yourself when you have a newborn is very, very difficult. 438 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,600 You have to let other people feed you or let my husband co-pay, let people bring us food. 439 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,240 We got takeout way more often than normal. 440 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,720 It brings me back to things that probably would have stressed me out and made me spiral 441 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,920 out of control mentally years ago and now I'm in a place where I'm fully accepting this 442 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,320 as my season of life. 443 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,280 I can focus on my child and not really worry about the fact that I've had pasta fight nights 444 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,920 this week. 445 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,320 It's been really, really helpful in this season. 446 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,880 That's incredible. 447 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,440 You have a healthy baby too. 448 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,440 Yes, happy healthy guy. 449 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,440 All right. 450 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:43,080 I would so much rather be thinking about him and thinking, honestly, not even thinking. 451 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:49,280 I want my time spent out of my head fully present with him, watching him grow because 452 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,480 everything he does right now is so cool and so fun to watch. 453 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,400 If I had been in a place where I was just living in my thoughts and couldn't escape 454 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,720 my own thoughts, I feel like I'd be missing out on so much. 455 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,720 Totally, totally. 456 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,280 I'm so happy for you. 457 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,080 It's just amazing. 458 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:11,160 The mental space that you save to be present with him by doing that work. 459 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,040 I mean, that's everything. 460 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,640 Yes, it is. 461 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,640 Yes, good. 462 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:22,360 Well, could you please share your best tips and resources for folks who are interested 463 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:30,240 in intuitive eating and maybe also something also you mentioned is the body love. 464 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:36,800 I know they go hand in hand, but you've also led amazing workshops on body positivity, 465 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,800 body love in the past. 466 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,640 Just any tips that you have on the two would be amazing. 467 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,640 Yes. 468 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:50,640 I think first and foremost, maybe while the two are so interconnected, try to just pick 469 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:59,200 one to work on it first because it can feel like a lot to work on them both simultaneously. 470 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,840 It can be really overwhelming. 471 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,800 They're so intertwined, but I do think maybe getting yourself to a place where you have 472 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:13,720 trust and respect for your body first because body love is a really big concept. 473 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,760 Most of us may not get to a place where we love our body and that's okay. 474 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,640 It's not really an end goal. 475 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,120 It's kind of more something fluid. 476 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:29,440 You might move through at times, but I always think of a formula of building up to that. 477 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,640 First you have to have trust. 478 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,560 In order to have trust, you have to have acceptance. 479 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:42,160 We go through acceptance, trust, respect, and then maybe to love. 480 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,440 First having acceptance around your body. 481 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,640 You don't have to like it, but we do want to accept it. 482 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:53,920 So getting to a place where you can accept that in order to rebuild some trust. 483 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,360 And then once we've rebuilt trust with our body, that can morph into respect. 484 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,360 But I think being in a place where you have acceptance and trust around your body is a 485 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:08,600 really great place to then enter the intuitive eating realm because you can actually trust 486 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,480 the signals that your body is sending you. 487 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,680 And then even like taking it a step back. 488 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:21,160 How much somebody like even wrap their head around starting to accept their body? 489 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,160 Yeah. 490 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,360 So a couple of different things come to mind for that. 491 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,960 Definitely spending more time connecting with your body. 492 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,360 A lot of us are incredibly disconnected, meaning we spend way too much time in our 493 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,360 heads. 494 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,040 We don't do activities that bring us closer. 495 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,920 We don't spend time looking at ourselves touching ourselves. 496 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,320 We just are kind of like below the neck. 497 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,040 There's just like a line of separation. 498 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,760 And so we want to start working with the reconnection. 499 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:57,080 So whether that's slowing down every so and so throughout the day to reconnect, put your 500 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,600 hand on your belly and just take a big deep breath. 501 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,280 I find that to be really helpful with some mantras. 502 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,520 Like I said, I trust my biology was one that I used throughout my pregnancy. 503 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,720 So finding one that works for you. 504 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:17,000 Also doing a little bit more digging into help at every size. 505 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,880 That is, you know, a whole nother topic for another podcast. 506 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:27,120 But how did every size is the idea that you can be healthy at any size? 507 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:32,480 And I know sometimes we get so wrapped up in our size and in our health because the 508 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,080 world has told us healthy only looks like one size. 509 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,160 And in order to be healthy, we have to control and manipulate and shrink. 510 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:46,440 And so really getting a better understanding of what goes into health and how we find ways 511 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:52,840 to be healthy outside of just food, exercise and our body size. 512 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,840 And then lastly, and this is going to be a piece of advice on the intuitive eating side 513 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,720 to just like really helpful, especially this time of year. 514 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:07,320 Social media is something that I think can be really beautiful for this community because 515 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,680 you can find people on the same journey. 516 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,920 You can find people who really promote intuitive eating, who promote body acceptance, who talk 517 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,880 about food freedom. 518 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,920 But on the flip side, you can also find a lot of really, really negative space online 519 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:30,880 too and the diet talk and the basically just everything being so fake online too, right? 520 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,560 All the filters and there's a lot of harm that can be done at the same time that there 521 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,520 can be a lot of good. 522 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,400 And so something that I think people can do as they're working towards body acceptance 523 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,720 and if they want to start kind of learning a little bit more about intuitive eating and 524 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:54,160 maybe starting to explore it, it might be the right path for them is to go through your 525 00:36:54,160 --> 00:37:00,400 own social media and notice when you come across people's pages or posts that kind of 526 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:06,360 just make you feel icky and whether that's an immediate like thought in comparison to 527 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:11,160 somebody else or an immediate thought that is a negative thought you have about yourselves 528 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:17,160 or what you're doing in life and what you're eating or you just feel it in your gut. 529 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,440 You notice your mood starts to change. 530 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,480 Those are the people you want to unfollow. 531 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,600 That's the content you don't want to take in anymore, whether it's blocking a hashtag. 532 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:33,680 I'm following muting people, maybe just trying to like stay away from that sort of material 533 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:40,360 and then start to refill your feed with people who post about food freedom, people who talk 534 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:46,160 about food neutrality, people who talk about body acceptance and then starting to incorporate 535 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,680 more people that look like you. 536 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:54,480 I don't think a lot of us realize how often we are following influencers and people on 537 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,200 Instagram that look nothing like us. 538 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,760 They don't have a body type like us. 539 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,760 They don't have a lifestyle like us. 540 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,600 They're just really out of touch with our own reality. 541 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:10,200 I get that that can be fun at times, but finding more people who look like you, who have a 542 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:16,240 lifestyle similar to yours, a body type similar to yours, a body type bigger than yours, a 543 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:22,080 body type that's a different color, that has different abilities, really diversifying your 544 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:27,320 feed and seeing that exposure all the time and looking at people living their life. 545 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:34,400 I think that can help us get ourselves back down in reality and start to set the foundation 546 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,400 around us for acceptance. 547 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,400 Well said. 548 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,240 And such great tips. 549 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:41,600 Thank you. 550 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,920 You mentioned a couple of resources here and there, like the intuitive eating book, a couple 551 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,520 social media people. 552 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:55,200 So could you share some resources for folks interested in learning more about these topics? 553 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,200 Yeah. 554 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,960 So intuitive eating, there's actually a website for intuitive eating. 555 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,680 There's a book and a workbook, which I think is really, really helpful. 556 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,960 I've read it a couple times and I've gone through the workbook, but that's something 557 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,680 that is interactive. 558 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,760 You do some journaling and it really starts to lay the foundation for work. 559 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:23,240 You can also on social media, start searching the hashtag intuitive eating or help at every 560 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:28,400 size and start finding individuals who are posting about that to follow. 561 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,840 I post about it from time to time on my own. 562 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:39,920 If you are into yoga, there is a book called yoga for body image and there's the body 563 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,320 image yoga and body image coalition online. 564 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:51,120 There are numerous like groups and coaches and so many people online in this space. 565 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:56,360 There's also this resource I like that might speak to some people a little bit more. 566 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,200 They try not to spend so much time on social media. 567 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:05,560 There's actually a subreddit for intuitive eating, which I have spent some time on, but 568 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,600 not only like asking questions, but also providing some advice for people who get on there and 569 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,600 ask questions. 570 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,960 So it's a nice little online community. 571 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,000 There's also a help at every size book. 572 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:25,240 There's honestly so many books and so many research studies that support this evidence 573 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:26,240 based theory. 574 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:32,520 But I would say finding the hashtags on social media is a really good place to start finding 575 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,360 individuals. 576 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,040 One dietician that lives in Austin that I really like to follow. 577 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:43,800 Her name is Mallory J. Page and she also has a podcast called seems like diet culture. 578 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:49,400 If you like podcasts, you might check that one out and then another podcast by Kristi 579 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,000 Harrison called the wellness trap. 580 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,000 She also does a newsletter, but she's a dietician who's been practicing this for a long time 581 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,640 and has written a few books, which I know are growing a lot at you right now. 582 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,480 But I'm looking up at my bookshelf right now looking at the books and she she has a really 583 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,960 good book called anti diet. 584 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,800 And that one is a really good read. 585 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:20,120 If you're like, let me explore this, not quite ready to do any work, but I'm curious. 586 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,320 Anti diet dives into actually the history of dieting and it provides a lot of helpful 587 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:30,960 context to the history, basically how we got to where we are with the diet industry and 588 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,920 how we got to where we are with body image and the struggles that most women face. 589 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:42,600 And so that is a really good book that's eye opening and may spark a little bit of curiosity 590 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,440 and it certainly sparked a fire in me to want to dive in deeper. 591 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,240 So I think that one could kind of start getting the wheels turning at anybody's meeting a 592 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:55,280 little motivation to do the work because I know how hard it is to get started on such 593 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,480 a difficult journey. 594 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,480 Amazing. 595 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,160 Thank you so much for sharing those. 596 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,800 I feel like so many different ways to tap in on different platforms, whether it's online 597 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,800 or books. 598 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,920 So there's just no shortage of tools out there. 599 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,160 So thank you for sharing your favorites. 600 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,160 Definitely trust those ahead of others. 601 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,160 Yeah. 602 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,160 Yeah. 603 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,440 And how can our listeners connect with you? 604 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,440 Yeah. 605 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,600 So I am on Instagram. 606 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,600 It's Jack J.C.Q. 607 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,120 I know most people want to throw K in there, but J.C.Q. 608 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,440 Dot Golden is my Instagram. 609 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,720 That's pretty much where I'm at most of the time these days. 610 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:39,600 And then I think you could also probably search my name in Apple Podcast. 611 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,920 I've done a few other interviews too. 612 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:48,440 So other ways to hear about kind of what's going on in the intuitive meeting space and 613 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,800 find more resources. 614 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,400 But that's my Instagram. 615 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,400 And yeah. 616 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,160 Thank you. 617 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,360 And to all of our listeners, we know this episode's coming out on Black Friday, the 618 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,160 day after Thanksgiving. 619 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,800 So I just wanted to share, even if you didn't intuitively eat yesterday, like it's a holiday. 620 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,560 Even if you ate past the point of fullness, please don't punish yourself today, this 621 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,800 weekend or ever, and just try to really get back to your body. 622 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,880 And that energy of gratitude that this whole season is about. 623 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:26,240 The fact that we have a body that we get to live in is something that brings me peace 624 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:27,240 all the time. 625 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:32,280 And I sure as hell want to spend this one life I have in this one body I have loving 626 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,280 it. 627 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,280 So the work might be hard. 628 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,280 I agree. 629 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,280 Worth it. 630 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600 It is absolutely worth it. 631 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,800 And with that being said, the timing of this was honestly perfect timing for a staffer's 632 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,800 conversation. 633 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,920 And I just want to remind people the holiday season is extremely hard. 634 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,160 And coming your way is not your fault. 635 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,480 There's a lot of money in the diet industry in there. 636 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,960 I take advantage of this time of year, but I want to remind you all that you have survived 637 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,120 it year over year. 638 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,440 You have overcome this time. 639 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,000 It does pass. 640 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,160 But all the more reason to kind of do a little deep dive this time of year and figure out 641 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:19,840 where you'd want to be next time during the holiday season and maybe let that be a 642 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:25,120 motivator to kind of start to explore and ask yourself some of the harder questions. 643 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,960 What a good way to track that growth each holiday season. 644 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,080 You can always come back. 645 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,080 Yeah. 646 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,080 Yeah. 647 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,080 Well, thank you so much, Jack. 648 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,360 It's been such a treat talking with you today about this amazing topic. 649 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,360 Yeah. 650 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,920 Thank you so much for having me. 651 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,480 Yeah, of course. 652 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,560 And thank you everybody for listening. 653 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:51,120 Please follow, review, rate, and you can follow us on Instagram to let us know any questions 654 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,200 you have, any topics you want to continue hearing. 655 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,840 Awaken Together podcast. 656 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:16,200 We love you and we'll see you all next week.