1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,120 Hello everyone and welcome to the Awaken Together podcast. I'm Jenn and today I'm going to be 2 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:22,360 interviewing a special guest. She goes by Kitty and I really found her page through my TikTok 3 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:28,360 world. I feel like I've been following and watching her journey as she has just been 4 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:34,560 posting and evolving on her spiritual path. I was so excited to reach out to her. She 5 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:42,000 is a writer and author, a TikTok content creator, a creativity coach and the author of the book 6 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Tarot Affirmations. And we're going to be breaking down Tarot, the journey for each 7 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:55,600 of us and just going over how you can utilize Tarot and these cards in your healing journey. 8 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:02,720 So without further ado, hello Kitty. Hi Jen, thank you so much for having me. Yes, thank 9 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:08,240 you so much for being here and it feels so surreal to like hear your voice. You know, 10 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:16,480 you get to know people through content and then it's a wild journey. Oh yeah. Yeah, I 11 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,760 feel like I know your face so well and so yeah, I'm just so excited for you to come 12 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:26,440 on and share all this with us. So if you want to start us off by just sharing some of your 13 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:32,460 spiritual journey, because we're an awakening podcast and definitely we've evolved so much 14 00:01:32,460 --> 00:01:37,840 even since creating this and I just love to hear just some of your spiritual journey and 15 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:44,320 how Tarot found you. Thank you so much Jen. Yeah, I am also so excited to be here and 16 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:50,280 it's so cool and I'm so grateful for the internet and for TikTok specifically because like the 17 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:57,240 spiritual side of TikTok has connected me with some of the coolest people. Same. But 18 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:08,000 so my spiritual awakening or spiritual journey started when I was 20 maybe. I fell in love 19 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:14,160 with astrology around the same time that I started reading spiritual texts and like the 20 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:23,400 power of now and that kind of stuff. But even before then when I was in high school, I learned 21 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:29,440 that my friend's mom knew how to read tarot cards and I thought that was so cool. So I 22 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,240 like ran to Barnes and Nobles to get myself a deck of cards and I was probably a sophomore 23 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,680 in high school like maybe 16, 17. But as soon as I came home and had the cards in my hand, 24 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:50,200 like I freaked out. They seem so powerful. Well, they seem spooky. And so I and my parents 25 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:57,560 did not like raise me or my younger brothers like religious at all. Like I had no I don't 26 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,880 know indoctrination or like preconceived notion about tarot cards, but having them in my hands, 27 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:08,460 I was like, oh, I'm not ready for this. And so I like did not touch them until I started 28 00:03:08,460 --> 00:03:13,080 getting into astrology and reading those books and being like, hmm, let me let me go back 29 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:19,000 to this stuff. And so really like my journey with learning how to read tarot went hand 30 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:25,040 in hand with also learning about like spiritual concepts and astrology. It all kind of got 31 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:31,040 mushed together. Very cool. And when did you start? Yeah, what led to the writing of the 32 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:43,920 book? That was years later. So in 2020, I was 23. So after a couple years of like learning 33 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:55,600 about astrology and tarot on my own, I started making astrology and tarot tic tocs. And that 34 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:05,960 like, well, one, sorry to backtrack. But during 2020, I definitely reached and leaned on astrology 35 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:13,120 and my spirituality so much more intensely than I had in previous years. So then and 36 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:18,840 making content making tic tocs for fun about that stuff and doing like little tarot card 37 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:25,520 readings on tic toc for fun. It just made my passion for it so much more intense. In 38 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:33,480 2020 during quarantine, I really doubled down on my like enjoyment of researching things 39 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:39,440 about astrology and learning the cards and doing readings for myself. And like, I really 40 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:45,240 leaned on my spirituality during quarantine. And then that led me to like start making 41 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,120 tic tocs just for fun about astrology about tarot. And that connected me with people that 42 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:56,240 were also into it. So that made me feel so much less crazy and less alone. 43 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:04,800 Spiritual tic toc in 2020 was a whole collective community vibe. Let me tell you. 44 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:12,200 Oh my god. Yeah. Crazy. Like crazy in the best way and then also crazy in some. Yeah, 45 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:18,080 it took a lot of turns. I'm glad I found you. I probably found you pretty early on because 46 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:23,320 I feel like I've watched you for a long time. So yeah, wild. Did you start making tic tocs 47 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:31,920 around that same time? Yeah, 2020 March. Yep. Same path. Okay, so cool. Yeah. And then after 48 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:39,040 a year or so maybe two years into doing readings online consistently starting to take clients 49 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:45,840 and like doing readings for other people. When I decided that I was like actually wanted 50 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:53,520 to like read other people for real for real. I that's what led me to making the book because 51 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:59,000 it's a collection of affirmations that correspond to every single card, every single upright 52 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:05,960 and every single reversal. And the act of creating it helped me sit down and like really 53 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,240 make myself more comfortable with the cards because I was already familiar with them. 54 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:17,600 But it was just like me almost being a little bit of a perfectionist. Yeah. Through my interpretation 55 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,480 of them, the like textbook standard traditional meanings of them and then create these affirmations. 56 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,520 But what came out of it is a cool little tool to help people get more comfortable with the 57 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,880 cards. Amazing. I love that. And then yeah, you really kind of shifted gears you were 58 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:37,560 saying a little bit away from tarot but it's circling back. You want to share a little 59 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:48,400 bit about that too? Yeah. So after pursuing, well, the thing I listen I love tick tock. 60 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:55,320 I love the internet, but the internet also loves to niche you down. And there can be 61 00:06:55,320 --> 00:07:01,880 a lot of success in niching yourself down. And I'm very grateful for the astrology side 62 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:12,560 of tick tock, but I very quickly got boxed into it. And I prior to making tick tocks 63 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,920 about astrology and tarot, I was working on a magazine centered around creativity and 64 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:24,520 mental health. But in a lot of ways, I was ready to walk away from the magazine because 65 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:30,520 I felt like I was ready to talk about my spirituality and that wasn't exactly the avenue to do so. 66 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,640 So it made sense to like pivot and do tick tocks. But then after a couple of years of 67 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:40,560 only talking about astrology, I realized that I missed having an outlet to talk about creativity 68 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:48,520 and just mental health without a spiritual context. So about a year ago, I stopped taking 69 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:55,760 clients and I stopped making astrology and tarot centered content for the sake of like 70 00:07:55,760 --> 00:08:02,080 trying to unbox myself from that niche. And I started talking about creativity. And really, 71 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:07,720 I just started leaning more on my intuition and just sharing messages that seemed relevant 72 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,700 to my like my own like personal life, but also what felt relevant to like the collective's 73 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:19,200 energy that I could pick up on. And I started giving messages like without the cards. And 74 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:29,240 just in these like past couple weeks, I have felt like the tug to return to tarot and return 75 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,640 to astrology, especially being in the middle of eclipse season. 76 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:39,720 Yeah, yeah. It's like in moments of chaos, of course, I'm going to lean on my tools the 77 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:46,640 most and tarot is definitely a tool that I use to like help me ground myself in. Yeah, 78 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:52,920 it's so amazing. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, some of your journey. And I think that's the 79 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:58,520 coolest thing of the spiritual path, right is everything ends up circling back in some 80 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:06,160 way. It always you can really see the relevance of things and retrospect like so much more. 81 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,960 Like, I think it's so cool in your story that you had this deck just sitting there from 82 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:17,960 such a young age, not knowing that there was going to be this like slow creation of a relationship 83 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:24,240 and meeting it in so many different intuitive ways and then deeper dive depth ways understanding 84 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:30,320 the cards like origin, like all of that was kind of a little seed that even started like 85 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:38,320 so young for you. So I love that. Oh, yeah, it's so cool. Yeah, so neat. And it always 86 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:44,520 I think that is something we so share on here is that like, nothing like really falls onto 87 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:49,520 your path for nothing. I think you always end up circling back and seeing the reason. 88 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:57,520 And yeah, I think for me, I so relate to the tick tock world and being me. And I think 89 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:03,680 I started I think it's cool for both of us that I you know, I had these tools of spirituality 90 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:10,640 way before the pandemic, and I was just so grateful to have those things to be able to 91 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:18,200 lean on. And it felt really sacred when the pandemic hit the people that had kind of already 92 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:25,400 started having like deeper, like a deeper journey of diving into their soul and kind 93 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:31,520 of looking at the connectedness of the universe and just sacredness. Like, it ended up being 94 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:37,080 just such a good kind of guiding light for the chaos that was happening in the collective. 95 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:43,520 And I really appreciated that all these people were stepping into kind of sharing. It felt 96 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:50,800 like a deep calling at that time. Did you feel that too? Oh, yeah, it did. Huge. Yeah. 97 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:57,880 Yeah. So I think for me, I just wanted to kind of, yeah, have it as an outlet just to 98 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,560 kind of share all these things I had been digging into. And I found that the people 99 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:08,520 that it was attracting were just deeply needing tools in their toolbox. So I felt like I really 100 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:14,040 got to step into like a teaching role for the first time when I had been kind of more 101 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:20,400 closeted and kind of in my phase of like, I mean, I had years of like studying the same 102 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,600 type of books and texts and going through trainings and workshops and all of this stuff 103 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:31,000 was still very scary to be like more public about. But I needed that creative outlet as 104 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:37,480 well at that time. And the feedback in the community from it was absolutely incredible. 105 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:43,920 And yeah, I loved it. I found all these I really started diving deep into astrology 106 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:49,340 pretty much. It started in like 2019, but got so big. So finding all these people talking 107 00:11:49,340 --> 00:11:55,800 about the things I loved, like on the platform, it was amazing. And I love that there was 108 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,840 like tarot readers and everything just, it felt like the world opened up and I was able 109 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:07,200 to see something that in my actual physical reality, I wasn't getting to see a lot of. 110 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:13,120 And it kind of built this intrinsic confidence to, yeah, own a lot of the stuff that I had 111 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:18,200 been working on. Did you feel that way as well? Yeah. I moved through something extremely 112 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:27,440 similar. But also, I like being honest online about like what I believe in and sharing what 113 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,760 I actually felt and even just like sharing little tarot card readings. It also made me 114 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:38,080 confront a lot of the skepticism that I've been like unknowingly carrying for a while 115 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:43,640 since like beginning my spiritual journey. So that was, that was good for me in the long 116 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:54,080 run too. To just show up and kind of confront the part of me that didn't fully believe in 117 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:59,280 the things that were helpful to me and the things that had improved the quality of my 118 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:04,480 life. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. And I think this is definitely important. 119 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:12,840 We're going to dive into tarot a little bit and go into more depth, but I think, yeah, 120 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,640 kind of connecting the dots on what tools were helping and hurting and how to have like 121 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:23,800 a good relationship with all of them. I think what we saw for people, not on TikTok, that 122 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:30,840 listened to the podcast, like there was just a really wild kind of ebb and flow of that 123 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,600 platform because I think the spiritual community really found themselves. But I think in that 124 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:42,640 time too, it was reflective in a lot of ways, because you also saw people taking things 125 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:51,420 in a way that did not feel like intuitively good to me. I saw people taking tarot kind 126 00:13:51,420 --> 00:13:57,620 of way too far. I watched a lot of people becoming more anxious from some of the tools 127 00:13:57,620 --> 00:14:04,360 versus knowing how to, yeah, use it as like a healthy extension. I think it sounds like 128 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:11,000 from your journey and I know with mine that you can't use stuff outside of you until you've 129 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:17,000 done some of the work on the inside. I think what was happening was people were flocking 130 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:23,800 to these tools outside of themselves when really it has to kind of merge with where 131 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:29,440 you're at in your own, like peering into your soul, looking at the shadow side of things, 132 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,640 like digging through some of those old wounds. A lot of that had already started to happen 133 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:40,920 to me. Then all these other tools became a way to kind of meditate inward, reflect, and 134 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:48,040 yeah, I think I met a lot of those tools in a healthy way because of some of my skepticism 135 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:53,760 and just having other things kind of fall into my plate beforehand. But then tarot was 136 00:14:53,760 --> 00:15:00,360 really pretty healthy. I had a pretty healthy relationship with it I think early on, but 137 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:08,200 I definitely saw people just pulling 20 readings a day saying, it's just, I can't weave all 138 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:13,680 this together. And it's like, yeah, maybe it's getting like a little stressed. What 139 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,080 is your take on some of that? 140 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:25,200 No, I feel the exact same way. I think that tarot is such a unique tool because I believe 141 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:31,440 that it's just one way that we can learn how to like actually trust ourselves as channels 142 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:43,000 and as sources or as messengers to source energy itself or just the wisest part of our 143 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:52,000 being. It's a way that we can access our intuition in a physical form. But another reason that 144 00:15:52,000 --> 00:16:01,120 I stepped away from it was because I had clients where I could see that they were using tarot 145 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:09,720 to substitute therapy or maybe deeper into their own stuff. Because like anything, it 146 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:18,320 can become addictive. And then also tarot is like storytelling. So I think as humans, 147 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,800 we also just love a good story and we love to hear about ourselves. And so it also makes 148 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:29,200 sense to me, like the addictive escapist tendency that exists for us to want to consume and 149 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,680 hear about our own lives and like hear that things are going to be okay or hear certain 150 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:34,680 feedback. 151 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:35,680 Yeah. 152 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:40,080 And start living our lives and putting ourselves in situations where we would find the clarity 153 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,080 on our own. 154 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:48,720 Absolutely. Absolutely. And yeah, I think for me, what I found worked best and I'd love 155 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:54,160 to hear for you, like how you kind of use the tarot, we can break it down. But I found 156 00:16:54,160 --> 00:17:00,440 for me that it felt really helpful just to do a reading for myself and then post it up 157 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,880 on my little altar, just like have it out because I wanted time for the message to be 158 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:12,640 able to integrate and kind of like think through it and watch life kind of unfold and kind 159 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:21,880 of see this interwoven connection with that. So to me, it was helpful to do less frequent 160 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,340 readings. I usually would do one with like, yeah, new moons or something like setting 161 00:17:26,340 --> 00:17:33,040 into the like moon cycle. And for me, yeah, just like not letting it overwhelm. But I 162 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,960 love that you also, it sounds like through your book, kind of wrote it through like a 163 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:43,480 more affirmation lens, which is awesome way to kind of create a healthier boundary system 164 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:50,240 with it automatically. Because I've seen people be like, oh, fuck, like reversed my whole 165 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:55,200 life's gonna go to shit. And like, you know, just make themselves like paranoid to the 166 00:17:55,200 --> 00:18:02,120 point of like, yeah, just overwhelm when I find it's often a direct correlation to what 167 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:09,200 is like currently going on. It makes me feel very validated usually in my current experience. 168 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,920 And then when I use that as a tool for like, maybe even the near future, what I'm currently 169 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,840 kind of going through as guidance, then I can really keep looking at those cards and 170 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:25,240 seeing it as something that I can journal and reflect with. What's your favorite way 171 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,720 to kind of use them? Or how has that evolved for you? 172 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:33,880 I usually journal with them. Yeah, I love your I love the idea of like, keeping the 173 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,160 reading out though. And like what you said you do, you put it on your altar. I think 174 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:44,100 that's cool. But for the most part, like I will especially, and I always recommend this 175 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:49,100 to people that are like trying to learn tarot pretty early on, like just start with one 176 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:58,160 card poll, and then journal about the card, the meaning, what comes up for you. And for 177 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,720 the most part, I still kind of do that. I'll only pull like a few cards, nothing crazy, 178 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,920 and then journal about that, or write down whatever feels relevant. 179 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:17,760 I love that. Yeah. So let's kind of do a little tarot school breakdown. I can share for me 180 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:25,760 at first. Yeah, so I definitely wanted to kind of like memorize the cards there I wanted 181 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:32,560 to get where I haven't had to go to like bitty tarot.com and read every single like, well 182 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:37,200 thing I wanted to kind of develop a meaning with the cards. And I think with any card 183 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:43,200 deck, the more time you kind of spend with it over years, the more you'll see patterns 184 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:49,000 kind of connect of like, oh, I always get this kind of card when this is kind of coming 185 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:55,360 up. Like I definitely am such a pattern seer anyway. And I definitely am like, okay, I 186 00:19:55,360 --> 00:20:01,440 know what this is like pulling to. I always get, you know, cards like this, when this 187 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:07,680 kind of thing is going on. But I think for me understanding that the cards are broken 188 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:13,480 into elements, at least the minor cards, I really liked that because for me, I already 189 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:19,960 had astrology as such a tool. So knowing there was water, fire, earth and air, and knowing 190 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:26,760 that within the suit, it kind of goes through that same kind of journey of the zodiacs, 191 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,160 there's like an initiation, there's kind of a more fixed middle, and then there's kind 192 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:37,320 of this like, mutable towards the end enclosure of something. And I like to see that flow 193 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:44,160 of each of the elements. But I think that's a really cool way to view it that whenever 194 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:51,080 yeah, cups are coming up cups are always going to be kind of correlated to that water element. 195 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:58,800 And it shows kind of a mysticism, intuitive, emotional type of journey for the ones that 196 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:05,480 really correlates to fire. So you can see like the passion, innovation, creativity, 197 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:11,840 kind of spark of something like exciting. And then going into swords, it matches with 198 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:18,920 that air element. So it's usually your communication, intellect, a journey of learning something 199 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:26,160 new or integrating new knowledge. And then going into pentacles, that is the earth elements 200 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:33,400 of something practical material. Yeah, something to do with money or something more in the 201 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:40,560 practical reality kind of surfacing up and that little correlation link was so huge for 202 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:46,400 me. So I'd love Kitty, you tell us yeah, any of the Terris School knowledge you kind of 203 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,400 want to share some of your like ways you kind of grasp the cards or how you like to kind 204 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:57,760 of share with people how they can use them. Yeah, I do want to begin by saying it is so 205 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:03,280 overwhelming in the beginning. There's a lot of cards, a lot of cards, and then every single 206 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:10,640 card has essentially like two different meanings. But I love your approach because it is it 207 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:17,280 helps you wrap your brain around it to break it all up, break the cards up into suits elements. 208 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:23,760 And so the there's the first 20 cards of the deck are called the major arcana. And then 209 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:29,320 the cards the rest of the cards that all pertain to different elements. They're the minor arcana. 210 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:34,400 And I think it's Latin, but the translation for major and minor arcana is little and big 211 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:44,640 secrets. So the major arcana are the big secrets. And they're essentially 20 different archetypes. 212 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,920 And so I think that can also be helpful when approaching the cards like each little card 213 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:55,500 has a little story, like there's a little main character and a little something happening. 214 00:22:55,500 --> 00:22:59,360 And so when approaching the cards, I also think it can be helpful to like not look up 215 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:04,140 their definitions right away and just sit with the illustrations. Yeah. And so then 216 00:23:04,140 --> 00:23:11,680 you intuitively have your own understanding of what that energy means to you. And then 217 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:17,400 the more comfortable the more time you spend with the cards, then you reach for those definitions 218 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,800 and then like kind of meet make a middle ground between your interpretation of them and then 219 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:27,600 the traditional standard interpretation of them. But in the very beginning with that 220 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:36,740 major arcana, the 20 cards, they tell the tale of the fool's journey, which is pretty 221 00:23:36,740 --> 00:23:42,360 similar to the hero's journey. And so in the story, the main character is the fool that 222 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:50,440 we see on the very first card with the number zero. And then he goes on to like, meet every 223 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,000 single other archetype in the major arcana. It's like the next person that he meets is 224 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,880 like the magician. But then of course, the magician has his own little story. And so 225 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:06,200 if you can make it as fun for yourself as possible when approaching the cards, I think 226 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:11,360 that's your best bet. I love that. Yeah. And I've heard that it's kind of the fool's journey 227 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:17,480 to enlightenment. So by meeting all these characters, the fool is kind of unpacking 228 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:23,520 all this internal stuff and ends up knowing how to kind of face all these things both 229 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,640 outside and within himself. Have you heard it that way? 230 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:34,460 I have. I love it that way, too. Yeah. And I think it's so true. I love that preface 231 00:24:34,460 --> 00:24:41,320 that yeah, the cards getting less fixated on the technical meaning and learning to trust 232 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:48,480 your intuition around them is so huge. And there is a lot if you don't take it so practical, 233 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:54,000 there really is a lot of just energetic things to pick up on when you just look at the cards. 234 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,520 So even just like sitting and spending time with the like pictures and noticing like what 235 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:05,400 you sense from that and how it feels and connects is so important. And I think it's also good 236 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:12,080 to preface that I've seen some people only want to interpret them upright and think the 237 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:18,360 reverse is just like so heavy and so dark. But I don't ever really see it that way. I 238 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:24,560 think the reverse of the cards is often just a little for a big chunk of the cards. It's 239 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:30,560 just more of a drawing and word and kind of going back to like the root of that from more 240 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:37,080 within versus the upright can be kind of showing something is most likely moving outside of 241 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:43,200 you. And I see it that way. And I always see the reverse is like, OK, that energy, I probably 242 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:48,920 need to look at it from like a different angle more within myself. Do you have like a takeaway 243 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:57,080 of the upright versus reversed? I love that. I love that your interpretation of just having 244 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,960 to look at the situation from a different angle. I think that's beautiful. But how funny 245 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:09,200 that it's such a universal experience for us to freak out when we see it. I get it for 246 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:18,800 the tower card, but it's not ever like a surprise. Yeah. And I've heard the definition or like 247 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:24,040 the interpretation that like a reversed card can indicate like a blockage of that energy. 248 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,800 And I think it's more nuanced than that because I think like, yes, sometimes it just indicates 249 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,720 that this energy wants to come through or be felt and experienced. And there is something 250 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:39,400 getting in the way of that. But also, I think sometimes like with a card being in a reverse 251 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,480 position, maybe you're going to be drawn to something on the illustration that you normally 252 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,520 wouldn't be drawn to. So that's making you focus on a different part of the card and 253 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,480 like a different part of that energy. I don't necessarily think it's it's not necessarily 254 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,840 a bad thing. Yeah, absolutely. And I like that, too. Like even the picture changes. 255 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,000 And when you look at it, it's cool. Like for some, instead of it landing in the hand, it's 256 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,800 falling out of the hand. Like that stuff is really cool to interpret. It doesn't mean 257 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,080 your whole world's going to fall apart. Like it's that's some of the things that shake 258 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:17,280 us up to view things in a different way can be like the most important steps. So I've 259 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,200 seen. Yeah, I had a friend that just was like, oh, I would never read them reversed. I was 260 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:31,240 like, I can be some wisdom in that. But OK, like that's just my take. And yeah, I think 261 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:38,520 it's really cool. Like I like if you're learning it, I think it's fun. As you said to Katie, 262 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:44,680 there's so much as you go on the spiritual journey, you'll realize a lot of the tools 263 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:51,320 all kind of have some of the same the same kind of essence and energy. It's all learning 264 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:59,000 to read energy, right? And like there's so much that directly mirrors and reflects. And 265 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,960 I think it is. I loved to learn it with astrology. I thought it was really fun that even through 266 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:10,720 the major arcana, there is, you know, you can see cards that are Aries energy Taurus. 267 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,240 And it's fun if you're like kind of learning, working on learning multiple concepts. There's 268 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:23,000 definitely ways you can weave two things together. And yeah, there's also so much correlation 269 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,480 with numerology within the cards, too. Do you want to share a little bit about just 270 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,400 the numbers as a whole? Because that also can give you so much clarity about what the 271 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:39,220 card is kind of teaching you. Yeah, I'd love to. Because then that's also like another 272 00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:43,600 way to get a little bit more comfortable with the cards right away, too, to have like a 273 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:52,040 basic understanding of what numbers carry, their meaning, their energy. And so like the 274 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:59,880 deck starts with the fool as the number zero. And zero represents like a void space, like 275 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:05,480 a beginning, but also an ending and how those two usually coincide with one another. There 276 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:11,440 isn't. We don't experience endings without experience some kind of beginning. And then 277 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,560 the number one is the first thing to come out of the void space. So the number one has 278 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:23,840 a lot to do with thought and manifestation and like having an idea or like a seed that 279 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,380 then gets planted and like brought into reality. So in a lot of ways, like the number one can 280 00:29:29,380 --> 00:29:35,360 also be associated with new beginnings. The number two and the number one typically carries 281 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,840 like a more masculine polarity or energy to it, like traditional masculine energy, whereas 282 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:47,600 the number two is a little bit more feminine. And it represents things like partnership 283 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:54,520 and like being able to have some kind of reflection. So if one represents like having an idea, 284 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,280 then the number two has a lot to do with like being able to bounce your ideas off of something 285 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:07,160 or someone. And just like you're no longer alone when you're working with number twos. 286 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,920 And then the number three has a lot to do with creative energy, which I think is really 287 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,960 cool. And it has a lot to do with like the masculine and feminine coming together to 288 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:21,400 birth something into reality, or you just taking the time and effort to nurture something 289 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:30,160 into reality. And so the number three, I know that's associated with the Empress. And she's 290 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:39,160 this like gorgeous goddess who's pregnant, like very fertile. That's a very nice like, 291 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:44,760 it's echoed very nicely in the Empress card. And then the number four makes me think about 292 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:51,800 like four legs on a table. It's essentially a very protective energy, which is associated 293 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,960 with the Emperor who comes after the Empress. And it's this idea that like now we have something 294 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,800 created, now we have a creation, it's time to protect it. It's time to build a kingdom 295 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,220 for this thing to live in. It's time to build a world for this thing to live in. So fours 296 00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:11,500 and that's kind of cool because in astrology, like in our birth chart, the fourth house 297 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:18,620 has a lot to do with like home and our efforts. And actually like in the birth chart, numerology 298 00:31:18,620 --> 00:31:25,960 plays a big role. Like these concepts are echoed. It's so echoed. Might as well learn 299 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,880 it all together. 300 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:38,760 Yeah. And then five is kind of a rebellious energy. Five is interesting because in the 301 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:45,960 tarot, the fifth card is the Hierophant. And he has a lot to do with like tradition and 302 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:55,040 upholding tradition. So fives tend to be about conflict and like rebelling out of tradition 303 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,800 or like questioning what was built in the energy of like the four and what came before 304 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:05,680 us. Five is where we tend to experience some kind of contrast. And then in like the minor 305 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,560 arcana, like when you see the five of wands, when you see the five of swords, like that's, 306 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,560 it is conflict. 307 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,560 Challenge is here. 308 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:18,000 Challenge is a good word. We'll pull those cards when we're moving through some kind 309 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:24,200 of challenge. But it's because something needs to like break apart to be rebuilt. And then 310 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:31,920 the number six has a lot to do with like harmony and balance and beautifying. The number six 311 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:39,160 is the lover's card in the major arcana. But it's also a number that is associated with 312 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:48,920 Venus energy, Venusian energy. And it's really about balancing out and beautifying and finding 313 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:58,120 a sense of beauty in what we're moving through. And then the number seven is a very like spiritual 314 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:05,000 number. It's often called like a spiritual bridge. The seven energy tends to like bridge 315 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:12,200 our like physical manifested world with the spiritual, like unmanifested world. And seven 316 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:18,080 has a lot to do with like options. So we see this perfectly in like the seven of cups. 317 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,840 There's a lot of different ways we could be moving forward and we don't exactly know like 318 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,280 what to do quite yet. But with seven, there's always like an element of like needing to 319 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:32,280 trust and trust yourself and just kind of like pick something and figure it out and 320 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:38,840 not be afraid to like cross over that bridge and like do something new. And then the number 321 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:45,160 eight has a lot to do with like power and karma. And the number eight is a cool number 322 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:51,880 because if you flip it on its side, it's the infinity symbol. And so eight is associated 323 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:58,840 with the strength card in the major arcana. And it really just it represents like the 324 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:05,960 power of gentleness. Eight has a lot to do with like being courageous, being courageous 325 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:14,080 enough to like be kind and gentle and finding a sense of strength that finding a sense of 326 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:21,480 strength in yourself despite and in spite of your karma and in spite and despite of 327 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:27,060 like what you've moved through, if that makes sense, like finding strength in your story. 328 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:33,320 And then number nine, which is coincided with the hermit card, it's about wisdom. It's about 329 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:39,440 like graduating being so close to closing a chapter, reflecting on like everything that 330 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,680 you have moved through reflecting on everything that you've learned, and really tapping into 331 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:51,200 your own wisdom and kind of doing your own thing. There's something like maybe isolating 332 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:59,920 but also just like recluse about the number nine. But it doesn't end in there we go. I 333 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:07,120 love it. And then last but not least, the 10 represents like completion, a full circle 334 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:13,160 moment. And then 10 is like the number one and zero coming together. It's like the idea 335 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:22,720 and the void space coming together. And like being able to I don't know have a better understanding 336 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:29,080 of the big picture. And the 10th card in the major arcana is the Wheel of Fortune, which 337 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:39,520 is honestly like a it's a tough card to like fully grasp the wheel. Absolutely. In my opinion, 338 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,120 at least as of right now, I believe that like the Wheel of Fortune has a lot to do with 339 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,240 the fact that like the wheel is always turning. It's the Wheel of Life. And we're just like 340 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:50,440 on the Wheel of Life. Like it's not our responsibility to like make sense of everything. It's just 341 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,240 like our responsibility to live out this cycle. And so a 10 represents like the cycle coming 342 00:35:55,240 --> 00:36:05,160 to an end. Oh, so well said, Kitty. I love that. And I yeah, it's so cool to weave it 343 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:10,600 through as a story. I love to hear all of the numbers. And yeah, once you kind of learn 344 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,240 those through the major, so much of it is mirrored in the minor. And then looking at 345 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:20,680 the suit, like, yeah, it can really, you know, help you kind of grasp like which area of 346 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:28,360 life that's kind of probably more likely manifesting. When you just talked about the Wheel of Fortune 347 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:34,040 card, I got an idea I will share my I have a great story with the Wheel of Fortune card. 348 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:40,120 And then I thought it would be fun. You can share just a wild Yeah, tarot moment one that 349 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,600 like, you know, stands out because I think we've all had a reading that has been like, 350 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:50,840 more profound. They shake you some of them shake you sometimes they hit you like right where 351 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:57,800 Yeah, you know, you need to hear something. I had the funniest Wheel of Fortune card that 352 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:05,000 that card has been so relevant in the last like year I've had so much and to me it's kind of like 353 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:11,320 strong spirit guide energy. It's like, you know, but you're also protected and you know, things 354 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:17,720 are shifting, but you know, it's for your favor. And I was having just the hardest day feeling so 355 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:24,280 emotional. I was crying and walking the neighborhood and just having like a good release. And I come 356 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:32,120 home and I always keep my dog in my bedroom. And my tarot deck is like, he never has messed with this. 357 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:38,280 And I opened the door and my dog is literally he had just the tiniest little teeth mark on the 358 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,160 Wheel of Fortune card and it's laying right by his paws and he's just looking at me. So I was like, 359 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,520 wow, and then the cards are all just kind of piled off to the side and then he just has that one. 360 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:54,440 And then I just start crying like even harder and I'm just like, thanks, buddy. He just pulls this 361 00:37:54,440 --> 00:38:00,440 card for me. I like definitely like just read through this the meaning again. And then I just 362 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:06,920 read through this the meaning again. And I felt in that moment, like so synced up with everything, 363 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:13,320 even though it was so overwhelming that all of this is for like a higher purpose. And my dog was 364 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:21,400 my tarot reader. So there's a story for you. Oh, my God. That's awesome. That's crazy. It was. 365 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,280 There's just a little tooth mark in that card now. And so I can always spot it. I'm like, oh, 366 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:37,160 we'll see what we get. That is so cool, though. Did you have a tarot, a particular reading that, 367 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:45,560 you know, stood out to you? The first one that comes to mind is a reading that I did for like 368 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:56,920 on TikTok, like a collective reading. And at the time, I have worked for Starbucks for like 369 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,400 five years. This is the first time in my life where like I'm not working on a Starbucks in a 370 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:08,520 very long time. But at the time of me doing the reading, I didn't have a job like I had quit 371 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,760 the Starbucks that I was at and like didn't know if I wanted to like actually go back to that company 372 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:18,200 or do something different. And so the reading that I gave for the collective was something along the 373 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:26,200 lines of like, you're going to find yourself in a situation and it's going to be similar to like, 374 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:31,320 what you've moved through in the past. But it was something about like having a lot of freedom when 375 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:40,440 it comes to your time and your schedule and just being blown away by how easy it is. I forget the 376 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,680 exact wording of it, but it was something where like I was just pumping out a collective reading, 377 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,400 Jen. I was robotic about it. I was just saying whatever was coming through. And it was something 378 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,400 very basic. It was about the fact that like, you're going to find yourself in a situation where like, 379 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,360 I don't know, your schedule is, you just have so much more control over your schedule, essentially. 380 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:05,480 And then maybe a couple weeks later, I applied to a bunch of different Starbucks locations, 381 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:12,040 like just trying to find a job. And the first one to reach back to me was this location. 382 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:21,080 And I was living in New York at the time. So it was a location in Manhattan that was mobile order 383 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:31,000 only. Slowest on the weekends. I didn't even know that existed. And so for that to land in my lap. 384 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,960 And then that reading, this comes right to the forefront. 385 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,360 That's really cool. I was like, holy crap. I read myself and I didn't even realize it. 386 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,240 I love that. 387 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:45,800 It's such a like that being at that store was so wild. I did not know anything like that existed. 388 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,160 And I had such a good time. Like that was perfect. It was exactly what I needed. 389 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,800 Amazing. I love that. Yeah. And it's that's a very cool point to make too, that like, 390 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,800 this is why I think it can get a little crazy if you're pulling cards like all day, 391 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:09,000 day, day, because some of the time the stuff from the reading will hit like a little bit after and 392 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:15,960 it's wild. And yeah, the cards will just like come to mind at that moment. It feels like kind of a 393 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:21,960 full circle. Like it's pieced together and you're realizing like, whoa, yeah, that's what they were 394 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:27,800 trying to tell me. And I had to kind of live a little bit to like have it sit in. But it's yeah, 395 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:33,800 the synchronicities that can happen with the cards is just really, really beautiful. And I, 396 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:41,160 yeah, I think, yeah, it sounds like your affirmation stuff. That's amazing that you have 397 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,840 that book. Do you have any recommendations of I have like the writer tarot card deck, 398 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:52,760 any recommendations of what you have like found or card suggestions for listeners? 399 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:59,640 Hmm. I really don't. I love the writer deck, the excuse me, the writer weight deck. Yeah, 400 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:07,640 that was my first deck too. And I think because so much stuff on the internet and even books 401 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,520 are like centered around that specific deck, I do think it can be helpful to like have that one. 402 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:20,760 But no, honestly, I think it in my opinion, like you just reach for whatever you're intuitively 403 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:26,120 drawn to, like you reach for whatever deck seems most exciting to you that you like want to use 404 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:35,800 and want to spend time with. And I have seen cool decks where like the definitions of each 405 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:41,800 card is like on the deck is like on the card. Have you seen those were like, yeah, that's nice. 406 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:49,960 So for beginners like that, I think would be awesome to just like have to use. But really, 407 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:55,320 I think you should just grab whatever you feel excited to use and mess around with. 408 00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:01,240 Yeah, because you definitely I think all of us early on, like all these cards and all these, 409 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:07,080 it's such a it's a fun like artists production too. I just think it's so beautiful how people 410 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:13,160 put their own stamp on all of it. I have definitely more decks than I need, but it's really cool 411 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:17,960 because you can yeah, you're you're wanting to develop a relationship with that deck because 412 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:24,280 that's when the synchronicities get even crazier, right? Where you put your attention is also where 413 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,880 you send energy. And when you spend time with a deck, the stories and the accuracy of everything 414 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,760 get so much more real because you're developing a relationship with it and a way to tune in to 415 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:42,200 hire sell for whatever sources for you. And yeah, that's definitely what I think the main takeaway 416 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:50,840 is with the card decks. And then what might be fun for people that like do want to like get a hold 417 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,480 of the Rider weight, sometimes it can be helpful to like just have an Oracle deck that you use in 418 00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:02,040 tandem with like a traditional tarot deck too. Yeah, I love that. Then you can get yeah, even 419 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:10,520 just another like level of clarity. I love that. Well, Katie, this has been so fun. I thank you 420 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:18,600 all for attending a little mini Tarot School. And yeah, how can our listeners send love and support 421 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:28,120 you? How? Yeah, all the social media handles all the things. All right. I am Kitty Knorr, K I T T Y 422 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:35,800 K N O R R on like all of my social media platforms. So Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, all the things. 423 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:41,800 I have that book out there are affirmations for anyone who's interested in learning how to read 424 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:49,480 Tarot through a collection of affirmations. It definitely helps. Like, it definitely makes it a 425 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:55,800 little bit more personalized and definitely takes a little bit of the overwhelm out of the way. And 426 00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,280 I you can get your hands on like a free PDF of my book when you subscribe to my newsletter on my 427 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,960 website. But if you're ready to dive deep and learn more about Tarot, I also sell a little Tarot 428 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:15,800 course on that website to my website. Amazing. What's the website? Kitty Knorr.com. Perfect. Stay 429 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:24,040 consistent. I love that. Well, this has been so amazing. We so appreciate you sharing your soul 430 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:30,200 with us and just your knowledge. And thank you to all the listeners for listening to another 431 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:58,200 episode of Awaken Together. And we'll see you later. Bye Kitty. Bye.