Hello everyone and welcome to the Awaken Together podcast. I'm Jenn and today I'm going to be
interviewing a special guest. She goes by Kitty and I really found her page through my TikTok
world. I feel like I've been following and watching her journey as she has just been
posting and evolving on her spiritual path. I was so excited to reach out to her. She
is a writer and author, a TikTok content creator, a creativity coach and the author of the book
Tarot Affirmations. And we're going to be breaking down Tarot, the journey for each
of us and just going over how you can utilize Tarot and these cards in your healing journey.
So without further ado, hello Kitty. Hi Jen, thank you so much for having me. Yes, thank
you so much for being here and it feels so surreal to like hear your voice. You know,
you get to know people through content and then it's a wild journey. Oh yeah. Yeah, I
feel like I know your face so well and so yeah, I'm just so excited for you to come
on and share all this with us. So if you want to start us off by just sharing some of your
spiritual journey, because we're an awakening podcast and definitely we've evolved so much
even since creating this and I just love to hear just some of your spiritual journey and
how Tarot found you. Thank you so much Jen. Yeah, I am also so excited to be here and
it's so cool and I'm so grateful for the internet and for TikTok specifically because like the
spiritual side of TikTok has connected me with some of the coolest people. Same. But
so my spiritual awakening or spiritual journey started when I was 20 maybe. I fell in love
with astrology around the same time that I started reading spiritual texts and like the
power of now and that kind of stuff. But even before then when I was in high school, I learned
that my friend's mom knew how to read tarot cards and I thought that was so cool. So I
like ran to Barnes and Nobles to get myself a deck of cards and I was probably a sophomore
in high school like maybe 16, 17. But as soon as I came home and had the cards in my hand,
like I freaked out. They seem so powerful. Well, they seem spooky. And so I and my parents
did not like raise me or my younger brothers like religious at all. Like I had no I don't
know indoctrination or like preconceived notion about tarot cards, but having them in my hands,
I was like, oh, I'm not ready for this. And so I like did not touch them until I started
getting into astrology and reading those books and being like, hmm, let me let me go back
to this stuff. And so really like my journey with learning how to read tarot went hand
in hand with also learning about like spiritual concepts and astrology. It all kind of got
mushed together. Very cool. And when did you start? Yeah, what led to the writing of the
book? That was years later. So in 2020, I was 23. So after a couple years of like learning
about astrology and tarot on my own, I started making astrology and tarot tic tocs. And that
like, well, one, sorry to backtrack. But during 2020, I definitely reached and leaned on astrology
and my spirituality so much more intensely than I had in previous years. So then and
making content making tic tocs for fun about that stuff and doing like little tarot card
readings on tic toc for fun. It just made my passion for it so much more intense. In
2020 during quarantine, I really doubled down on my like enjoyment of researching things
about astrology and learning the cards and doing readings for myself. And like, I really
leaned on my spirituality during quarantine. And then that led me to like start making
tic tocs just for fun about astrology about tarot. And that connected me with people that
were also into it. So that made me feel so much less crazy and less alone.
Spiritual tic toc in 2020 was a whole collective community vibe. Let me tell you.
Oh my god. Yeah. Crazy. Like crazy in the best way and then also crazy in some. Yeah,
it took a lot of turns. I'm glad I found you. I probably found you pretty early on because
I feel like I've watched you for a long time. So yeah, wild. Did you start making tic tocs
around that same time? Yeah, 2020 March. Yep. Same path. Okay, so cool. Yeah. And then after
a year or so maybe two years into doing readings online consistently starting to take clients
and like doing readings for other people. When I decided that I was like actually wanted
to like read other people for real for real. I that's what led me to making the book because
it's a collection of affirmations that correspond to every single card, every single upright
and every single reversal. And the act of creating it helped me sit down and like really
make myself more comfortable with the cards because I was already familiar with them.
But it was just like me almost being a little bit of a perfectionist. Yeah. Through my interpretation
of them, the like textbook standard traditional meanings of them and then create these affirmations.
But what came out of it is a cool little tool to help people get more comfortable with the
cards. Amazing. I love that. And then yeah, you really kind of shifted gears you were
saying a little bit away from tarot but it's circling back. You want to share a little
bit about that too? Yeah. So after pursuing, well, the thing I listen I love tick tock.
I love the internet, but the internet also loves to niche you down. And there can be
a lot of success in niching yourself down. And I'm very grateful for the astrology side
of tick tock, but I very quickly got boxed into it. And I prior to making tick tocks
about astrology and tarot, I was working on a magazine centered around creativity and
mental health. But in a lot of ways, I was ready to walk away from the magazine because
I felt like I was ready to talk about my spirituality and that wasn't exactly the avenue to do so.
So it made sense to like pivot and do tick tocks. But then after a couple of years of
only talking about astrology, I realized that I missed having an outlet to talk about creativity
and just mental health without a spiritual context. So about a year ago, I stopped taking
clients and I stopped making astrology and tarot centered content for the sake of like
trying to unbox myself from that niche. And I started talking about creativity. And really,
I just started leaning more on my intuition and just sharing messages that seemed relevant
to my like my own like personal life, but also what felt relevant to like the collective's
energy that I could pick up on. And I started giving messages like without the cards. And
just in these like past couple weeks, I have felt like the tug to return to tarot and return
to astrology, especially being in the middle of eclipse season.
Yeah, yeah. It's like in moments of chaos, of course, I'm going to lean on my tools the
most and tarot is definitely a tool that I use to like help me ground myself in. Yeah,
it's so amazing. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, some of your journey. And I think that's the
coolest thing of the spiritual path, right is everything ends up circling back in some
way. It always you can really see the relevance of things and retrospect like so much more.
Like, I think it's so cool in your story that you had this deck just sitting there from
such a young age, not knowing that there was going to be this like slow creation of a relationship
and meeting it in so many different intuitive ways and then deeper dive depth ways understanding
the cards like origin, like all of that was kind of a little seed that even started like
so young for you. So I love that. Oh, yeah, it's so cool. Yeah, so neat. And it always
I think that is something we so share on here is that like, nothing like really falls onto
your path for nothing. I think you always end up circling back and seeing the reason.
And yeah, I think for me, I so relate to the tick tock world and being me. And I think
I started I think it's cool for both of us that I you know, I had these tools of spirituality
way before the pandemic, and I was just so grateful to have those things to be able to
lean on. And it felt really sacred when the pandemic hit the people that had kind of already
started having like deeper, like a deeper journey of diving into their soul and kind
of looking at the connectedness of the universe and just sacredness. Like, it ended up being
just such a good kind of guiding light for the chaos that was happening in the collective.
And I really appreciated that all these people were stepping into kind of sharing. It felt
like a deep calling at that time. Did you feel that too? Oh, yeah, it did. Huge. Yeah.
Yeah. So I think for me, I just wanted to kind of, yeah, have it as an outlet just to
kind of share all these things I had been digging into. And I found that the people
that it was attracting were just deeply needing tools in their toolbox. So I felt like I really
got to step into like a teaching role for the first time when I had been kind of more
closeted and kind of in my phase of like, I mean, I had years of like studying the same
type of books and texts and going through trainings and workshops and all of this stuff
was still very scary to be like more public about. But I needed that creative outlet as
well at that time. And the feedback in the community from it was absolutely incredible.
And yeah, I loved it. I found all these I really started diving deep into astrology
pretty much. It started in like 2019, but got so big. So finding all these people talking
about the things I loved, like on the platform, it was amazing. And I love that there was
like tarot readers and everything just, it felt like the world opened up and I was able
to see something that in my actual physical reality, I wasn't getting to see a lot of.
And it kind of built this intrinsic confidence to, yeah, own a lot of the stuff that I had
been working on. Did you feel that way as well? Yeah. I moved through something extremely
similar. But also, I like being honest online about like what I believe in and sharing what
I actually felt and even just like sharing little tarot card readings. It also made me
confront a lot of the skepticism that I've been like unknowingly carrying for a while
since like beginning my spiritual journey. So that was, that was good for me in the long
run too. To just show up and kind of confront the part of me that didn't fully believe in
the things that were helpful to me and the things that had improved the quality of my
life. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. And I think this is definitely important.
We're going to dive into tarot a little bit and go into more depth, but I think, yeah,
kind of connecting the dots on what tools were helping and hurting and how to have like
a good relationship with all of them. I think what we saw for people, not on TikTok, that
listened to the podcast, like there was just a really wild kind of ebb and flow of that
platform because I think the spiritual community really found themselves. But I think in that
time too, it was reflective in a lot of ways, because you also saw people taking things
in a way that did not feel like intuitively good to me. I saw people taking tarot kind
of way too far. I watched a lot of people becoming more anxious from some of the tools
versus knowing how to, yeah, use it as like a healthy extension. I think it sounds like
from your journey and I know with mine that you can't use stuff outside of you until you've
done some of the work on the inside. I think what was happening was people were flocking
to these tools outside of themselves when really it has to kind of merge with where
you're at in your own, like peering into your soul, looking at the shadow side of things,
like digging through some of those old wounds. A lot of that had already started to happen
to me. Then all these other tools became a way to kind of meditate inward, reflect, and
yeah, I think I met a lot of those tools in a healthy way because of some of my skepticism
and just having other things kind of fall into my plate beforehand. But then tarot was
really pretty healthy. I had a pretty healthy relationship with it I think early on, but
I definitely saw people just pulling 20 readings a day saying, it's just, I can't weave all
this together. And it's like, yeah, maybe it's getting like a little stressed. What
is your take on some of that?
No, I feel the exact same way. I think that tarot is such a unique tool because I believe
that it's just one way that we can learn how to like actually trust ourselves as channels
and as sources or as messengers to source energy itself or just the wisest part of our
being. It's a way that we can access our intuition in a physical form. But another reason that
I stepped away from it was because I had clients where I could see that they were using tarot
to substitute therapy or maybe deeper into their own stuff. Because like anything, it
can become addictive. And then also tarot is like storytelling. So I think as humans,
we also just love a good story and we love to hear about ourselves. And so it also makes
sense to me, like the addictive escapist tendency that exists for us to want to consume and
hear about our own lives and like hear that things are going to be okay or hear certain
feedback.
Yeah.
And start living our lives and putting ourselves in situations where we would find the clarity
on our own.
Absolutely. Absolutely. And yeah, I think for me, what I found worked best and I'd love
to hear for you, like how you kind of use the tarot, we can break it down. But I found
for me that it felt really helpful just to do a reading for myself and then post it up
on my little altar, just like have it out because I wanted time for the message to be
able to integrate and kind of like think through it and watch life kind of unfold and kind
of see this interwoven connection with that. So to me, it was helpful to do less frequent
readings. I usually would do one with like, yeah, new moons or something like setting
into the like moon cycle. And for me, yeah, just like not letting it overwhelm. But I
love that you also, it sounds like through your book, kind of wrote it through like a
more affirmation lens, which is awesome way to kind of create a healthier boundary system
with it automatically. Because I've seen people be like, oh, fuck, like reversed my whole
life's gonna go to shit. And like, you know, just make themselves like paranoid to the
point of like, yeah, just overwhelm when I find it's often a direct correlation to what
is like currently going on. It makes me feel very validated usually in my current experience.
And then when I use that as a tool for like, maybe even the near future, what I'm currently
kind of going through as guidance, then I can really keep looking at those cards and
seeing it as something that I can journal and reflect with. What's your favorite way
to kind of use them? Or how has that evolved for you?
I usually journal with them. Yeah, I love your I love the idea of like, keeping the
reading out though. And like what you said you do, you put it on your altar. I think
that's cool. But for the most part, like I will especially, and I always recommend this
to people that are like trying to learn tarot pretty early on, like just start with one
card poll, and then journal about the card, the meaning, what comes up for you. And for
the most part, I still kind of do that. I'll only pull like a few cards, nothing crazy,
and then journal about that, or write down whatever feels relevant.
I love that. Yeah. So let's kind of do a little tarot school breakdown. I can share for me
at first. Yeah, so I definitely wanted to kind of like memorize the cards there I wanted
to get where I haven't had to go to like bitty tarot.com and read every single like, well
thing I wanted to kind of develop a meaning with the cards. And I think with any card
deck, the more time you kind of spend with it over years, the more you'll see patterns
kind of connect of like, oh, I always get this kind of card when this is kind of coming
up. Like I definitely am such a pattern seer anyway. And I definitely am like, okay, I
know what this is like pulling to. I always get, you know, cards like this, when this
kind of thing is going on. But I think for me understanding that the cards are broken
into elements, at least the minor cards, I really liked that because for me, I already
had astrology as such a tool. So knowing there was water, fire, earth and air, and knowing
that within the suit, it kind of goes through that same kind of journey of the zodiacs,
there's like an initiation, there's kind of a more fixed middle, and then there's kind
of this like, mutable towards the end enclosure of something. And I like to see that flow
of each of the elements. But I think that's a really cool way to view it that whenever
yeah, cups are coming up cups are always going to be kind of correlated to that water element.
And it shows kind of a mysticism, intuitive, emotional type of journey for the ones that
really correlates to fire. So you can see like the passion, innovation, creativity,
kind of spark of something like exciting. And then going into swords, it matches with
that air element. So it's usually your communication, intellect, a journey of learning something
new or integrating new knowledge. And then going into pentacles, that is the earth elements
of something practical material. Yeah, something to do with money or something more in the
practical reality kind of surfacing up and that little correlation link was so huge for
me. So I'd love Kitty, you tell us yeah, any of the Terris School knowledge you kind of
want to share some of your like ways you kind of grasp the cards or how you like to kind
of share with people how they can use them. Yeah, I do want to begin by saying it is so
overwhelming in the beginning. There's a lot of cards, a lot of cards, and then every single
card has essentially like two different meanings. But I love your approach because it is it
helps you wrap your brain around it to break it all up, break the cards up into suits elements.
And so the there's the first 20 cards of the deck are called the major arcana. And then
the cards the rest of the cards that all pertain to different elements. They're the minor arcana.
And I think it's Latin, but the translation for major and minor arcana is little and big
secrets. So the major arcana are the big secrets. And they're essentially 20 different archetypes.
And so I think that can also be helpful when approaching the cards like each little card
has a little story, like there's a little main character and a little something happening.
And so when approaching the cards, I also think it can be helpful to like not look up
their definitions right away and just sit with the illustrations. Yeah. And so then
you intuitively have your own understanding of what that energy means to you. And then
the more comfortable the more time you spend with the cards, then you reach for those definitions
and then like kind of meet make a middle ground between your interpretation of them and then
the traditional standard interpretation of them. But in the very beginning with that
major arcana, the 20 cards, they tell the tale of the fool's journey, which is pretty
similar to the hero's journey. And so in the story, the main character is the fool that
we see on the very first card with the number zero. And then he goes on to like, meet every
single other archetype in the major arcana. It's like the next person that he meets is
like the magician. But then of course, the magician has his own little story. And so
if you can make it as fun for yourself as possible when approaching the cards, I think
that's your best bet. I love that. Yeah. And I've heard that it's kind of the fool's journey
to enlightenment. So by meeting all these characters, the fool is kind of unpacking
all this internal stuff and ends up knowing how to kind of face all these things both
outside and within himself. Have you heard it that way?
I have. I love it that way, too. Yeah. And I think it's so true. I love that preface
that yeah, the cards getting less fixated on the technical meaning and learning to trust
your intuition around them is so huge. And there is a lot if you don't take it so practical,
there really is a lot of just energetic things to pick up on when you just look at the cards.
So even just like sitting and spending time with the like pictures and noticing like what
you sense from that and how it feels and connects is so important. And I think it's also good
to preface that I've seen some people only want to interpret them upright and think the
reverse is just like so heavy and so dark. But I don't ever really see it that way. I
think the reverse of the cards is often just a little for a big chunk of the cards. It's
just more of a drawing and word and kind of going back to like the root of that from more
within versus the upright can be kind of showing something is most likely moving outside of
you. And I see it that way. And I always see the reverse is like, OK, that energy, I probably
need to look at it from like a different angle more within myself. Do you have like a takeaway
of the upright versus reversed? I love that. I love that your interpretation of just having
to look at the situation from a different angle. I think that's beautiful. But how funny
that it's such a universal experience for us to freak out when we see it. I get it for
the tower card, but it's not ever like a surprise. Yeah. And I've heard the definition or like
the interpretation that like a reversed card can indicate like a blockage of that energy.
And I think it's more nuanced than that because I think like, yes, sometimes it just indicates
that this energy wants to come through or be felt and experienced. And there is something
getting in the way of that. But also, I think sometimes like with a card being in a reverse
position, maybe you're going to be drawn to something on the illustration that you normally
wouldn't be drawn to. So that's making you focus on a different part of the card and
like a different part of that energy. I don't necessarily think it's it's not necessarily
a bad thing. Yeah, absolutely. And I like that, too. Like even the picture changes.
And when you look at it, it's cool. Like for some, instead of it landing in the hand, it's
falling out of the hand. Like that stuff is really cool to interpret. It doesn't mean
your whole world's going to fall apart. Like it's that's some of the things that shake
us up to view things in a different way can be like the most important steps. So I've
seen. Yeah, I had a friend that just was like, oh, I would never read them reversed. I was
like, I can be some wisdom in that. But OK, like that's just my take. And yeah, I think
it's really cool. Like I like if you're learning it, I think it's fun. As you said to Katie,
there's so much as you go on the spiritual journey, you'll realize a lot of the tools
all kind of have some of the same the same kind of essence and energy. It's all learning
to read energy, right? And like there's so much that directly mirrors and reflects. And
I think it is. I loved to learn it with astrology. I thought it was really fun that even through
the major arcana, there is, you know, you can see cards that are Aries energy Taurus.
And it's fun if you're like kind of learning, working on learning multiple concepts. There's
definitely ways you can weave two things together. And yeah, there's also so much correlation
with numerology within the cards, too. Do you want to share a little bit about just
the numbers as a whole? Because that also can give you so much clarity about what the
card is kind of teaching you. Yeah, I'd love to. Because then that's also like another
way to get a little bit more comfortable with the cards right away, too, to have like a
basic understanding of what numbers carry, their meaning, their energy. And so like the
deck starts with the fool as the number zero. And zero represents like a void space, like
a beginning, but also an ending and how those two usually coincide with one another. There
isn't. We don't experience endings without experience some kind of beginning. And then
the number one is the first thing to come out of the void space. So the number one has
a lot to do with thought and manifestation and like having an idea or like a seed that
then gets planted and like brought into reality. So in a lot of ways, like the number one can
also be associated with new beginnings. The number two and the number one typically carries
like a more masculine polarity or energy to it, like traditional masculine energy, whereas
the number two is a little bit more feminine. And it represents things like partnership
and like being able to have some kind of reflection. So if one represents like having an idea,
then the number two has a lot to do with like being able to bounce your ideas off of something
or someone. And just like you're no longer alone when you're working with number twos.
And then the number three has a lot to do with creative energy, which I think is really
cool. And it has a lot to do with like the masculine and feminine coming together to
birth something into reality, or you just taking the time and effort to nurture something
into reality. And so the number three, I know that's associated with the Empress. And she's
this like gorgeous goddess who's pregnant, like very fertile. That's a very nice like,
it's echoed very nicely in the Empress card. And then the number four makes me think about
like four legs on a table. It's essentially a very protective energy, which is associated
with the Emperor who comes after the Empress. And it's this idea that like now we have something
created, now we have a creation, it's time to protect it. It's time to build a kingdom
for this thing to live in. It's time to build a world for this thing to live in. So fours
and that's kind of cool because in astrology, like in our birth chart, the fourth house
has a lot to do with like home and our efforts. And actually like in the birth chart, numerology
plays a big role. Like these concepts are echoed. It's so echoed. Might as well learn
it all together.
Yeah. And then five is kind of a rebellious energy. Five is interesting because in the
tarot, the fifth card is the Hierophant. And he has a lot to do with like tradition and
upholding tradition. So fives tend to be about conflict and like rebelling out of tradition
or like questioning what was built in the energy of like the four and what came before
us. Five is where we tend to experience some kind of contrast. And then in like the minor
arcana, like when you see the five of wands, when you see the five of swords, like that's,
it is conflict.
Challenge is here.
Challenge is a good word. We'll pull those cards when we're moving through some kind
of challenge. But it's because something needs to like break apart to be rebuilt. And then
the number six has a lot to do with like harmony and balance and beautifying. The number six
is the lover's card in the major arcana. But it's also a number that is associated with
Venus energy, Venusian energy. And it's really about balancing out and beautifying and finding
a sense of beauty in what we're moving through. And then the number seven is a very like spiritual
number. It's often called like a spiritual bridge. The seven energy tends to like bridge
our like physical manifested world with the spiritual, like unmanifested world. And seven
has a lot to do with like options. So we see this perfectly in like the seven of cups.
There's a lot of different ways we could be moving forward and we don't exactly know like
what to do quite yet. But with seven, there's always like an element of like needing to
trust and trust yourself and just kind of like pick something and figure it out and
not be afraid to like cross over that bridge and like do something new. And then the number
eight has a lot to do with like power and karma. And the number eight is a cool number
because if you flip it on its side, it's the infinity symbol. And so eight is associated
with the strength card in the major arcana. And it really just it represents like the
power of gentleness. Eight has a lot to do with like being courageous, being courageous
enough to like be kind and gentle and finding a sense of strength that finding a sense of
strength in yourself despite and in spite of your karma and in spite and despite of
like what you've moved through, if that makes sense, like finding strength in your story.
And then number nine, which is coincided with the hermit card, it's about wisdom. It's about
like graduating being so close to closing a chapter, reflecting on like everything that
you have moved through reflecting on everything that you've learned, and really tapping into
your own wisdom and kind of doing your own thing. There's something like maybe isolating
but also just like recluse about the number nine. But it doesn't end in there we go. I
love it. And then last but not least, the 10 represents like completion, a full circle
moment. And then 10 is like the number one and zero coming together. It's like the idea
and the void space coming together. And like being able to I don't know have a better understanding
of the big picture. And the 10th card in the major arcana is the Wheel of Fortune, which
is honestly like a it's a tough card to like fully grasp the wheel. Absolutely. In my opinion,
at least as of right now, I believe that like the Wheel of Fortune has a lot to do with
the fact that like the wheel is always turning. It's the Wheel of Life. And we're just like
on the Wheel of Life. Like it's not our responsibility to like make sense of everything. It's just
like our responsibility to live out this cycle. And so a 10 represents like the cycle coming
to an end. Oh, so well said, Kitty. I love that. And I yeah, it's so cool to weave it
through as a story. I love to hear all of the numbers. And yeah, once you kind of learn
those through the major, so much of it is mirrored in the minor. And then looking at
the suit, like, yeah, it can really, you know, help you kind of grasp like which area of
life that's kind of probably more likely manifesting. When you just talked about the Wheel of Fortune
card, I got an idea I will share my I have a great story with the Wheel of Fortune card.
And then I thought it would be fun. You can share just a wild Yeah, tarot moment one that
like, you know, stands out because I think we've all had a reading that has been like,
more profound. They shake you some of them shake you sometimes they hit you like right where
Yeah, you know, you need to hear something. I had the funniest Wheel of Fortune card that
that card has been so relevant in the last like year I've had so much and to me it's kind of like
strong spirit guide energy. It's like, you know, but you're also protected and you know, things
are shifting, but you know, it's for your favor. And I was having just the hardest day feeling so
emotional. I was crying and walking the neighborhood and just having like a good release. And I come
home and I always keep my dog in my bedroom. And my tarot deck is like, he never has messed with this.
And I opened the door and my dog is literally he had just the tiniest little teeth mark on the
Wheel of Fortune card and it's laying right by his paws and he's just looking at me. So I was like,
wow, and then the cards are all just kind of piled off to the side and then he just has that one.
And then I just start crying like even harder and I'm just like, thanks, buddy. He just pulls this
card for me. I like definitely like just read through this the meaning again. And then I just
read through this the meaning again. And I felt in that moment, like so synced up with everything,
even though it was so overwhelming that all of this is for like a higher purpose. And my dog was
my tarot reader. So there's a story for you. Oh, my God. That's awesome. That's crazy. It was.
There's just a little tooth mark in that card now. And so I can always spot it. I'm like, oh,
we'll see what we get. That is so cool, though. Did you have a tarot, a particular reading that,
you know, stood out to you? The first one that comes to mind is a reading that I did for like
on TikTok, like a collective reading. And at the time, I have worked for Starbucks for like
five years. This is the first time in my life where like I'm not working on a Starbucks in a
very long time. But at the time of me doing the reading, I didn't have a job like I had quit
the Starbucks that I was at and like didn't know if I wanted to like actually go back to that company
or do something different. And so the reading that I gave for the collective was something along the
lines of like, you're going to find yourself in a situation and it's going to be similar to like,
what you've moved through in the past. But it was something about like having a lot of freedom when
it comes to your time and your schedule and just being blown away by how easy it is. I forget the
exact wording of it, but it was something where like I was just pumping out a collective reading,
Jen. I was robotic about it. I was just saying whatever was coming through. And it was something
very basic. It was about the fact that like, you're going to find yourself in a situation where like,
I don't know, your schedule is, you just have so much more control over your schedule, essentially.
And then maybe a couple weeks later, I applied to a bunch of different Starbucks locations,
like just trying to find a job. And the first one to reach back to me was this location.
And I was living in New York at the time. So it was a location in Manhattan that was mobile order
only. Slowest on the weekends. I didn't even know that existed. And so for that to land in my lap.
And then that reading, this comes right to the forefront.
That's really cool. I was like, holy crap. I read myself and I didn't even realize it.
I love that.
It's such a like that being at that store was so wild. I did not know anything like that existed.
And I had such a good time. Like that was perfect. It was exactly what I needed.
Amazing. I love that. Yeah. And it's that's a very cool point to make too, that like,
this is why I think it can get a little crazy if you're pulling cards like all day,
day, day, because some of the time the stuff from the reading will hit like a little bit after and
it's wild. And yeah, the cards will just like come to mind at that moment. It feels like kind of a
full circle. Like it's pieced together and you're realizing like, whoa, yeah, that's what they were
trying to tell me. And I had to kind of live a little bit to like have it sit in. But it's yeah,
the synchronicities that can happen with the cards is just really, really beautiful. And I,
yeah, I think, yeah, it sounds like your affirmation stuff. That's amazing that you have
that book. Do you have any recommendations of I have like the writer tarot card deck,
any recommendations of what you have like found or card suggestions for listeners?
Hmm. I really don't. I love the writer deck, the excuse me, the writer weight deck. Yeah,
that was my first deck too. And I think because so much stuff on the internet and even books
are like centered around that specific deck, I do think it can be helpful to like have that one.
But no, honestly, I think it in my opinion, like you just reach for whatever you're intuitively
drawn to, like you reach for whatever deck seems most exciting to you that you like want to use
and want to spend time with. And I have seen cool decks where like the definitions of each
card is like on the deck is like on the card. Have you seen those were like, yeah, that's nice.
So for beginners like that, I think would be awesome to just like have to use. But really,
I think you should just grab whatever you feel excited to use and mess around with.
Yeah, because you definitely I think all of us early on, like all these cards and all these,
it's such a it's a fun like artists production too. I just think it's so beautiful how people
put their own stamp on all of it. I have definitely more decks than I need, but it's really cool
because you can yeah, you're you're wanting to develop a relationship with that deck because
that's when the synchronicities get even crazier, right? Where you put your attention is also where
you send energy. And when you spend time with a deck, the stories and the accuracy of everything
get so much more real because you're developing a relationship with it and a way to tune in to
hire sell for whatever sources for you. And yeah, that's definitely what I think the main takeaway
is with the card decks. And then what might be fun for people that like do want to like get a hold
of the Rider weight, sometimes it can be helpful to like just have an Oracle deck that you use in
tandem with like a traditional tarot deck too. Yeah, I love that. Then you can get yeah, even
just another like level of clarity. I love that. Well, Katie, this has been so fun. I thank you
all for attending a little mini Tarot School. And yeah, how can our listeners send love and support
you? How? Yeah, all the social media handles all the things. All right. I am Kitty Knorr, K I T T Y
K N O R R on like all of my social media platforms. So Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, all the things.
I have that book out there are affirmations for anyone who's interested in learning how to read
Tarot through a collection of affirmations. It definitely helps. Like, it definitely makes it a
little bit more personalized and definitely takes a little bit of the overwhelm out of the way. And
I you can get your hands on like a free PDF of my book when you subscribe to my newsletter on my
website. But if you're ready to dive deep and learn more about Tarot, I also sell a little Tarot
course on that website to my website. Amazing. What's the website? Kitty Knorr.com. Perfect. Stay
consistent. I love that. Well, this has been so amazing. We so appreciate you sharing your soul
with us and just your knowledge. And thank you to all the listeners for listening to another
episode of Awaken Together. And we'll see you later. Bye Kitty. Bye.