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Hello, everyone. This is Kat and welcome to a new episode of the Awaken Together podcast.

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Today I'm joined by a very special guest, one who is no stranger to the show. She is

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my friend Jennifer Hoffman. Welcome, Jen.

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Hi, Kat. I'm so excited to be back here with you.

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So excited to have you back. Your episode with us, it was, I looked back, it was season

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two, episode five. We recorded it back in March, 2022, and so much has happened between

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then and now. Wow. You said March, 2022?

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Yeah. March 3rd. Okay.

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Wow. So like a year and a half ago.

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Pretty much. Crazy. Yeah.

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And your episode about the Akashic Records has been one of our fan favorites, one we

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get the most questions about, and one that Jen Wilson and I personally love talking about

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with our community the most. So thank you again, and thanks for coming back on.

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I'm so honored and I'm so grateful that the work with the Akashic Records has touched

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you too, as well as, you know, all those that listen and that want to partake in this work

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that's just so beautiful to hear.

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Yeah, totally. And when Jen and I were thinking about like this episode, which we're going

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to call Birth as a Portal, we were thinking about who in our network could we talk about,

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who we really respect, especially on the spiritual journey side of things and thinking about

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like all the energetic shifts that become, that come with becoming a mother, all the

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decisions that lead up to it. And you were the clear like, yes, we have to see if Jen

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will do it. So thank you for being willing to share all of your stories and takeaways

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with us in the community.

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I'm so thrilled to be here and to be able to do it. So thank you both for thinking of

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me. This is truly so exciting.

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Oh, of course. Yeah. And I mean, we have to give a little shout out to your little man,

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Lucas, who became, who made you into this mother that you are now. So how is Lucas doing?

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How old is he in everything?

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Oh, thank you. Lucas is doing so great. He's almost 10 months now, which is just so wild.

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He was born December 29 last year in 2022. I was due on New Year's Eve, so we weren't

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sure if he would become a 2022 baby or a 2023. And he was two days early, which is seems

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to be more his speed. He seems to be cruising on the early side with things he loves to chat

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and babble. He's in teething and has 16th now. He's exploring, really loving to clap.

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He loves to crawl all over the floor and is starting to stand on his own by kneeling and

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pulling himself up. He's just really a little adventurer trying to see and do all the things

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right now.

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Oh my gosh, so sweet. And he is just the cutest. He looks like such a smiley little guy.

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Thank you. Yes, he is. He's generally a very happy and joyful baby, you know, unless if

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he is teething and not feeling good or just tired.

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The normal life things. Yes, don't we all, we all need that rest.

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Oh yeah, of course. Gotta feel it all, right?

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Yes. Yeah. Well, we're excited to get into the meat of things. We were finding that,

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you know, along this ride, a lot of us, our listeners are kind of contemplating this decision

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right now of like, do I have children? We have some friends who are pregnant who have

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had children too. So I wanted to start off by asking you, have you always seen yourself

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becoming a mom?

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That's a great question. So I didn't always see myself as a mom. And for a long time,

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I thought I didn't want children. I thought that it just felt too much. It felt overwhelming.

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It felt like the world was a scary place. Why would I want to bring a child here? And

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it felt like there were, I didn't know at the time, there was something called ancestral

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patterning. I didn't realize the spiritual aspects of it, but I knew that I was carrying

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in a way like ancestral codes, ancestral patterning that I did not want to pass on to children.

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And I deeply felt that it wasn't meant for me because of those things. And I really

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think it took being on the spiritual journey and evolving in my own way along this path

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to really open myself up to this. And I will say it was very gradual. It didn't start until

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probably around 2018 when I was in my late twenties. I was dating a guy at the time who

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was 12 years older than me. And he had kids of his own already and he did not want more

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kids. And I feel like that was a very physical situation that the universe presented to me

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saying like, okay, here's a decision. Are you really good with not having kids? And I

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felt a lot of inner turmoil with that. And while dating him, he ended up moving, I live

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on the East Coast, he ended up moving to the West Coast to California. And with that split,

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I like really felt that life wasn't meant for me. And I felt this tug on my heart. That

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was the very beginnings of it. Yeah, it's so crazy. That's like a very tangible instance

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of like, he was very much an activator for my path, like, nearing back to me, like what

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almost like a crossroads for my soul, like, do you really want to go this way? And it

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felt like it was a turning point for sure. It seems like it like what an impactful relationship

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just to kind of force you to make those decisions and just have those thoughts for yourself,

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like, is this what I want? Am I actually okay with this? And sounds like it brought a lot

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of clarity to you, which is so great. Yes. And then moving into a more mystical way,

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you know, this was even before my spiritual awakening, it was like a random day in probably

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a wintery day, I was in target, I was walking. And you know how sometimes you just see something

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and you know, you're drawn to it, you're like, I need that. I saw this random stuffed unicorn

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that was in the target like kids bedding section. It was on sale for like $5. No idea logically

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whatsoever why I needed this unicorn. I ended up buying it, keeping it for years. And then

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after I had my spiritual awakening, I started connecting to the soul of a child while in

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meditation. And I could feel then years later, that the energies of the unicorns are with

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these children, these unborn souls that are waiting to come through.

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It gives me chills. It's just like even then before I was aware consciously, in this deeper

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way, my soul was guiding me to reach out to connect with the soul of a child in that way.

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So it's just, it's so fascinating, these things come out, it seems like of nowhere,

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but it's really the soul guiding you and the soul of the child.

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Totally. And I mean, kudos to you for listening and putting that all together, right? Knowing

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that it wasn't just like this disparate thing, but understanding that connection over time

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too, I think is so powerful.

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Yes. Yes. And then there was one other thing I'd love to mention. As I was deepening my

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spiritual practice, one of the things that I did on my journey was I attended a Dr. Joe

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Dispenza event. Maybe some listeners have heard of his work. He teaches a certain type

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of meditation style. And while I was at the event, it was July of 2021.

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While I was there in a meditation, I connected with one of my grandmothers who is deceased.

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And she gave me the message, I'm so excited for grandbabies. That just felt like the nail

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on the coffin in a sense. It was just like, I knew it wasn't me. I never used the word

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grandbabies. That's definitely something my grandmother would say. And wouldn't you know,

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less than like around seven months later, I was pregnant.

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Wow. Oh my goodness. That is wild.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's just so amazing how the divine and our souls work.

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And how beautiful to know even now that she knew this was going to happen and that she

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has this connection, I'm sure, with Lucas and just seeing this all happen and unfold

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in your life right now. Yes. Yes. It's so beautiful to know that.

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Truly. And you had mentioned when we were talking before about connecting with this

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child soul through the records and how you actually chose to have the support of somebody

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else to do this. Can you share more about that?

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Yes. So I would connect to Lucas while he was in the womb on my own and I would do this

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in different ways. But one of the most prominent ways that I would choose to do it was usually

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in the bath. That just felt the most aligned for him and I. Yet there's just something

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about with using the records and how potent and powerful there are.

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A lot of times I really appreciate utilizing someone else, not for outsourcing my answers

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or looking externally for what to do. Yet it's just for providing deeper clarity. I

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think as a human, my emotions can get in the way sometimes for being a clear channel when

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I'm accessing the records myself. So it's beautiful to have that other resource to utilize

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for that. And the teacher that I learned the Akashic records from, I reached out to her

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and actually booked a session with her to connect with Lucas in a deeper way. And she

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gave me some practices. She gave me some tools and some deeper insight into how to support

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him in an energetic way in looking at how I'm showing up for him in ways that we could

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just deepen our connection. And that was just so nourishing for us while I was in that space.

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Lucas was here. He was in my body, yet he wasn't physically fully here in the physical

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form. He was cooking, so to speak. Right. Still inside. That's so cool. And I'm so glad

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you had that as a resource. And it makes sense. I mean, when you're pregnant and all your

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hormones are just like having a party and we're in a heightened emotional state, I think

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that's so great that you were like, acknowledged that and sought just some outside expertise

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by someone that you know and trust already. So good to hear that she was able to give

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you those tools. And it sounds like it was really magical to be able to connect with

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him in all those ways. It was. It was, you know, just as always, there's there's like

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mystical magical things that will present, but then there's also very tangible things.

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And it's just, it's just so so beautiful to be able to connect in that way. And question

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on that, when you were connecting with his soul when he was still inside of you cooking,

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now that you know him so well, like post birth, he's been with you for almost a year now.

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How, how is that connection? Was it very similar in feeling? Has it changed? I'm just curious

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about that.

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In some ways it's similar and in other ways it's very different. So when I would just

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connect to him on a soul level purely, it was hard to create his gender, I'll be honest

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at first, because I think the souls of children, they just feel so pure and so loving that

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they almost feel feminine in nature. Does that make sense?

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So it's just everything felt so like, like the essence of the unicorn is like pure and

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magical and so high vibration and loving and almost feminine and beautiful and light

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in general. And now that he's here in the physical, you know, almost like that essence

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is still there. Yet there's like more depth and multifaceted aspects to his nature. There's

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some things that are like, for lack of a better word, more dense because he's in human environments,

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like there's the whole range of emotions and energy that he presents. And yeah, it's just,

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you know, when he's upset, he lets us know and he'll scream about it until I find what's

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wrong. And some other things they translate over pretty well too, like I could sense between

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my own connection with him and working with my mentor with the records, that he was very

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connected to like foliage and plants and nature. And that is so prominent now still. That is

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very like he loves being outside, he loves being around trees, he loves being in the

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grass, being in the dirt. So certain things like that translated to very well. It's funny

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to watch. Yeah, that's super cool to think about, I think, just that transition and getting

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to know him as a little person. So, so cool. Yes. And I'm sure like while you were pregnant,

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there were so many lessons that you learned and experienced. But do you mind sharing some

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of those? Yes. So, oh, there were so many, I'm sure, like looking back and reflecting.

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I think one of the biggest things that is unique, watching my body change, my, my relationship

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with my body and how I witnessed and watched it changing was not how I expected. I, you

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know, think, you know, with our culture, you know, magazines, there's such a, a pull and

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such an emphasis on body image and how we look and how thinner used to be better and

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all that stuff. And I didn't feel bad or guilty seeing my body grow. First, I felt a little

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uncomfortable, but I think that's because I just looked bloated. I didn't look pregnant.

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I was loving them. Yeah. But it was just so neat to witness my body taking form. And

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then I think what even emphasized that was watching and feeling him move within me. Like,

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you know, I very much knew this was my body being the blessing and the beautiful vessel

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that it could be to nourish and nourish him and keep him alive. I think knowing that was

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and reminding myself of that was huge. And on the flip side, what has been interesting

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is now watching my body postpartum. Because I felt like I had such an useful relationship

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with my body during pregnancy, I kind of expected that same thing postpartum. And I didn't feel

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that way. I felt kind of like, Oh, my body's taking a really long time to shift now. It's,

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it looks really different. And I felt very uncomfortable in my body for many months,

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I would say, like I still have some discomfort, but I'm, I would say it took at least six

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to eight months for me to start to feel more like myself. And I didn't expect that. Because

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I think, you know, unless if you know someone personally, we don't hear the ins and the outs

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and you kind of expect like, Oh, you expel the baby, you expel the placenta. Now it's

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just me again. But it's like, it took those nine months to build those things. And I think

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it takes the body at least nine months, if not more to help guide itself back. And then

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there's still that energetic connection between the baby and the mother for at least a year,

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I would say even more going into toddlerhood. So it's like, my body didn't even feel like

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mine, which was super interesting. Like that took me a really long time to feel okay with

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that. It was like, it felt, it felt like it was more of a support system for Lucas. It's

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hard to put into words, honestly, until you experience it, it's sort of surreal. It just,

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it didn't, it's nothing like I've ever experienced before. It was my body wasn't just my body,

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it was his really.

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Yeah. And I just have constant chills over here, like hearing every word. And I have

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some friends out here who are new moms as well. And they've actually shared like pretty

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similar sentiments to you. And that whole of the body being this vessel and support

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and the whole like nine months in nine months out, like the baby doesn't fully recognize

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it's even separate from your body from what I've heard for at least nine months, like

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postpartum, they still think of it as like their home. And so it is just incredible,

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like, wow, what a miracle our bodies are and just the fact that they can create and sustain

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life for so long. It's no wonder, I mean, all the shifts and I mean, all the work that

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I know you've done in your life to develop your sense of like body love and feeling that

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almost regression post birth, but also that beautiful remembrance of what your body just

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did and what it continues to do for you and your baby.

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Yes, that's such a beautiful summary of that. And it's so interesting how you mentioned

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that in that way, because I heard a psychotherapist talk about this, how the baby doesn't recognize

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a difference between themselves and their mother. And that's why babies tend to say

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dad first, because dad is the first person that they recognize is somebody outside of

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themselves. Oh my gosh.

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Yes, they're considering like them and their mother to be the same unit. So then it's like

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later, once they start recognizing more is outside of themselves and they recognize,

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oh, mom is different than me. That's mama.

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Oh, I could cry. That is so beautiful.

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Yeah, isn't that wild? It's so neat.

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It really is. I mean, it makes sense too. It's like, this body created me. It's like,

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I am this body, right? Oh, wow. So cool.

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Yeah. So I know like the lessons must be abound.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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There was one other one. Can I share that?

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Please do. Yes.

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Yes. So something that I did not expect being, because I've never heard anyone talk about

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this, but when my spiritual journey, I didn't realize this is interesting to say this, but

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it's just, I think a lot of times we are on our journey and we have our own perspective

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and that's our normal. So we don't see otherwise. And I was very connected to my upper chakras

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being able to do this work with the Akashic and connecting to over souls and how I see

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clear, buoyantly and different things like this. And then when I got pregnant, a lot

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of that shifted and some of it stopped. And at first I thought something was very wrong.

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And upon reflection and speaking to some people and just tuning into my body, I realized,

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oh, my intuition didn't leave. It just shifted. And everything was focused on my lower chakras

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like my root chakra, my, my sacred, my solar plexus, everything was going into that area

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of my body and feeling and supporting the baby. So that was really interesting to witness

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and feel and experience. And now postpartum, I'm kind of, I'm experiencing a shift back

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where I'm definitely in tune with my upper chakras more so again and feeling there more

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deeply and everything feels more, I would say aligned and in flow and more consistent

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between all my chakras. That's incredible. I mean, just to show like the shift from

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before, during and after and what sounds like a true opening has occurred for you throughout

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this whole shift of becoming a mother. And I think it makes so much sense because our

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our sacred chakra, that's the space of creation. That's the womb space. And so much during

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pregnancy from what I've heard and from what I understand is relating to the root as well

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and your sense of your foundation, your nesting, your safety, security, being able to provide

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the basic needs for not only you, but this new soul that you're bringing into the world.

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ego and confidence and your sense of self. So I mean, just thinking about that, it totally

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makes sense. Plus the additional blood flow and work that your body is doing in those

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spaces, a true opening and flow that just sounds so incredible that you're still feeling

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that kind of bounce between the top and the middle and the bottom even after birth.

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Yeah, it's so fascinating. I'm sure it shows up for people differently yet. I think just

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hearing my experience with how I felt that I hope that can maybe provide some clarity

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in putting to words maybe what some people are experiencing because sometimes we might

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be experiencing it yet we don't we can't find the words to really describe what we're feeling.

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Yeah, the words are always hard for me. Yeah, I'm always up in my head all the thoughts

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come and go so fast that sometimes the words are just secondary. I wish I could just transfer

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thoughts to people. Yes, you said the words so beautifully. So thank you for sharing that.

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I relate so I'm glad I'm glad we can talk about it and appreciate it. Thank you.

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Oh man, fellow upper chakra liver right over here. Yes. Yeah. And you actually I love this

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you opted for a non traditional delivery. And this is something that I've thought a

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lot about myself, like in the realms of home birth and having a doula, and just thinking

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about what we truly want and need from this experience outside of what is really common

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with society of a traditional hospital birth. So I love it if you could share more about

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how you made that decision and how it all felt for you.

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Yes. So, well I'll start off by saying everyone in my family and everyone that I know has

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given birth in a hospital setting. So that's all I knew previously and that's, I think,

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always when I envisioned a birth that's what I kind of expected. And social media opened

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my eyes to seeing other alternatives of what's out there. And so it's good for something.

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Yes, it's not bad. It's definitely opened my eyes. And I think what I first started

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looking for was a birthing center because I was interested in looking for something

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that would be not so like cold and medicinal feeling. There's nothing wrong with the hospital.

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Of course, I think everyone knows what works for them and what kind of birth experience

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they want. But personally, I wanted something that was like more relaxed and more comfortable.

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And there were no birthing centers around me where I live in Pennsylvania. It's more

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rural and it's more kind of like Western medicine focused and that's all that was available.

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So what I did find was a midwife who worked with doulas and she had her own practice and

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she offered home birthing services. And I will tell you, I did feel a little fear around

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it at first that I had to work through. I think naturally the human mind, the ego wants

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to go to what's your base thoughts of like, well, what if this, what if this goes wrongs,

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what if that. And I had to really go with my gut instincts and what my heart was pulling

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me to do. And this just felt the most aligned. It felt like not just for me, but for what

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Lucas wanted for being brought into the world. It felt like something more nourishing and

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comfortable was most aligned as well as after doing research, I chose that I wanted to go

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down the path of using a birth style that is like least invasive, the least invasive

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and the most natural as possible. So ideally, I didn't want to use an epidural. I didn't

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want to use certain tools like forceps. Nothing wrong with that, of course. It's just after

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doing some research and just feeling with what intuitively felt most aligned for me

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and for us. That's what felt right. And I think what supported me the most with moving

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through the years was I thought about like all the ancestors that came before us in this

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current time and how like they didn't have hospitals and like they had to give birth

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at home. That's just what they did. And like my grandmother that I mentioned earlier that

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came to me in meditation, she was one of 15 children, her mother gave birth to 15 kids.

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And they were all birthed at home. And you know, to them, it was normal. Like my grandma

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used to say like we would wake up one morning and there'd be another sibling. They were

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just there. And that was normal. Like they wouldn't even wish she was pregnant sometimes.

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Yeah. Like it was just, it would just happen. And it's like this is natural for the woman's

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body. This is natural to, you know, to expand, to hold creation, to give birth. It's not

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some medical condition. It's not abnormal. You know, unless of course there's like a

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medical emergency or something is abnormal with the health of the baby or the mother,

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which my pregnancy was a healthy, healthy and normal pregnancy. So I didn't, I think

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pulling on that ancestral wisdom and that ancestral support is what really helped home

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my nerves and ease my fears. Also, my midwife was amazing. I would recommend her to anybody.

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She not only had extensive training in nutrition and traditional Chinese medicine. She has

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10 children herself. So she has like very personal hands-on experience. She has had

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her practice for years. She would be monitoring things. Like I think sometimes people think

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like when you have a home birth or like willy nilly, like just going off and not having

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anything medically checked. Like that's not the case at all. Like I still had optrosounds.

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I still had blood sugar tests to make sure that I didn't have, oh my gosh, I'm blanking

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on the term, but like high blood sugar while pregnant. Yeah. Yeah. So like I was still,

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I was still like doing all of the things. It was just, it was less invasive. Like she

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would not do internal exams. It was more trusting, you know, the body's natural processes and

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the body knows what it needs to do with monitoring those things with, you know, doing blood work

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with checking my heart rate, checking my oxygen levels, different things of that nature.

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The beautiful combination, I think, to have like the modern day tools of ultrasounds and

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testing that they didn't have back then just for like peace of mind and also understanding

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like using our resources, right? But also knowing that you have this deep spiritual connection

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with yourself and your body that you've built over time where you're constantly checking

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in with yourself too. And that feeling of trust that you shared with your midwife. Like

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that is, that's huge. So yay for the combination. I love that we have, that we live in this

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day and age and we have all these tools and resources available to us.

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Yes. And I will say, you know, going this route, you will appreciate this being a fellow

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graduate from IIN. Like you have an understanding of nutrition and holistic health like I do.

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But like I don't know if a home birth would be for everyone because a lot of it is based

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on nutrition. Like what we eat is not only fueling ourselves, but it's it's becoming

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the baby. So, you know, I'm not, I wasn't really using modern medicine to aid in supporting

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my health because I was using the nourishment of food and I was also using herbs and things

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of a more natural nature, which I felt really good about because the midwife, you know,

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I wasn't like going out and herbs can be like a weird topic for people, especially when

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pregnant because they're not like FDA regulated, but like my midwife has that knowledge through

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TCM and through practice with all of her clients, all of her experience with her own birth.

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And she would know what herbs I could take, what herbs are good to support in different

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ways. And it was just so beautiful. I felt so held and so nourished with the herbs that

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I talk and the food that I ate.

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That's beautiful. Yeah. One of my best friends who was on an earlier episode of the podcast,

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Courtney, she is an herbalist and she's going to school to become a doula. And so I'm really

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hopeful that by the time like, Kyla and I are ready for children that she is ready to

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rock with all that because I want a very similar experience to what you've had ideally, you

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know, given it's a healthy pregnancy and everything and just to know like the people

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in our network and have that sense of trust, like that's everything.

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Yes. And there were a couple other things I wanted to mention about this. I'm trying

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to go to the depths of my brain and find them.

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But I think the thing that's coming to mind right now is another reason why I chose this

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method was that one of my core values is freedom. And a lot of times in a hospital setting for

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hospitals, there's certain restrictions or there's certain policies that they try to

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enforce that they're not actually like required. So it's like, if you do research, you can

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actually choose what you want based on what your needs and choose because it feels good

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to you. Like a is like usually in a hospital birth setting, all babies in a hospital are

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given a antibacterial eye cream right after birth. And my midwife explained this to me

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as they typically give that in case if the mother has an STD, when the baby goes through

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the birth canal, they give them the antibacterial eye cream so the baby doesn't develop an eye

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infection. So it's to protect an eye infection forming if a mother has an STD. Hospitals aren't

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necessarily checking the moms. So to just do due diligence on their part, they're just

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giving it to every baby.

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Yeah. So like me, like I have, I knew I didn't have an STD. I had blood work done at the

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beginning of my, my pregnancy and I just, I knew I didn't. So it's like, I don't need

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to give my baby a antibacterial medication right after he's born in those first critical

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hours or moments. Because, you know, like as like looking at it from a holistic, on larger

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picture perspective, we know antibacterial medications can affect the gut microbiome,

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which affects immunity and, and how your body's ability to fight infections do all sorts of

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stuff.

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So I've actually heard that if possible, it's best not to even bathe the baby for at least

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seven days a week after giving birth because of all of the flora from the whole birthing

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process and how helpful that is to the baby's gut and how it's all absorbed through the

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skin. So that is just another reason like why something antibacterial would do the opposite

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of that.

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And I wonder how long term that can cause potential damage to our eyes, you know, in

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that first moment here, having something like that put on your eyes, that just seems logically

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like maybe not the best idea if you don't have an STD and don't need it.

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Right. Exactly. So like that, what you just gave an example of that's another.

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Great point. Like the, the waxy coating that's typically on babies when they're born, that

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is actually like a protectant that the body naturally produces and it, if the baby isn't

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washed, it gets absorbed their skin and it greatly helps their immune system in those

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first critical days of life in a hospital birth. Typically they'll take the baby and

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they'll bathe it right away unless if you request like, Hey, I don't want you to bathe

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my baby and I want to hold my baby now for the golden hour for however long, considering

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you have a healthy birth.

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You know, I think most places will respect that and you can even put it in writing so

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that they see it because you know, there are emergency cases where, you know, maybe the

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mother isn't coherent because they're under anesthesia or they are a little altered consciously

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because of receiving the epidural or whatever. And that's the other thing. I've heard stories

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where babies are kind of just taken and things are done without the mother's consent or letting

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the parents know like, Hey, this is what we're doing just because it's quote unquote hospital

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policy. But I believe in the freedom to be able to choose what happens to our own bodies

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and the bodies of our children.

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Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I hear you, sister.

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Yes. Yeah, this is so important and not a lot of people talk about it. So I'm really

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glad that where you're sharing all this knowledge, it's so useful.

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Yes. And I'll just say one other thing quick about a home birth, like one of the things

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that I was fearful of was the cost, because I think it's so ingrained in our culture that

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things cost less when we have insurance and things are covered by insurance. And I will

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say that a home birth costs less than I've heard some hospitals costs or some births

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costing in hospitals with insurance.

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Wow, that's so good to know. I had no idea.

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a baby that is born with a serious condition that must go in the NICU with care over like

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a month. Of course, those hospital bills are going to cost way more than like a healthy

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baby birth with a typical like one or two days stay.

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But like I've heard, you know, you can do research for your own area that and your insurance

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and what you have. But I've heard, you know, sometimes healthy normal deliveries can cost,

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you know, up to 10 to 15,000 depending on your area, whereas like that's with insurance,

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depending upon the hospital and the location, but mine was half of that or less.

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Wow. I mean, lots of great, great examples here as to what people should like just think

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about it, right? Like think about what feels best for you. And if you are open to something

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other than a hospital birth or, you know, maybe even having that as like a plan B backup

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in some ways, like, there's lots of benefits to this alternative route when you really

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think about it and look it up.

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Yes. And that's the thing like, you know, I had an emergency plan. If something would

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have gone wrong, my midwife would have transferred me to a hospital and she would have stayed

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with me and the doula and they would have been there advocating for me. But, you know,

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I just hope this empowers people to know that like, you have options. And even if you don't

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want to give birth at home, you know, a birthing center is a good option to or you can go to

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a hospital and you can have written and writing like, this is what I consent to have and this

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is what I do not want. So that's like, if you don't want your baby to be washed in the

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first hour of birth, that they have to respect that, you know, you can just because it's

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hospital policy quote unquote, doesn't make it law.

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Heck yeah. That's beautiful. I think there's also just a lot of shame. I've shared this

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with some friends even who are very open minded people. And I've received shame for wanting

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to look into a home birth because of that whole notion of like, well, we have hospital

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birth now and the mortality rate for women and babies has gone down so drastically ever

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since we started giving birth in hospitals. And I kind of detest that, you know, it's

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like, why wouldn't you want to give your baby the best shot, like do it in a hospital? Aren't

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you crazy? Like, like, no, like, guys, do your research here. I follow free birth society.

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Do you know that one, Jen? I actually don't. But I feel like that sounds amazing. Yeah.

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Yeah. It's one that yoga girl on Instagram, she shared and was adamant about like learning

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all their resources and how it changed her birth experience because the first one was

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very like abusive and like toxic. They just hospital, her needs weren't met. It was an

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emergency. She tried to go for a home birth and then ended up having to go to the hospital

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because like her doula wasn't well prepped. And the baby's heart rate was skyrocketing

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and, and all these things that kind of led to it. And then once getting there, she was

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kind of just forced into a C section, even though she didn't want to have it, like the

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doctors didn't look into alternatives. And so this time with her second, she did all

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the research and had all the plans in place. And it was a healthy birth and a healthy pregnancy.

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And it all just like what it was very healing, essentially is what she shared to have things

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go her way. But also knowing that it was just because of the research she had done, like

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there was the babies, the cord was wrapped around the baby's neck and we are that in,

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in, you know, hospital births and any occurrence where that happens. It's like one of the worst

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things that can happen and it can be so detrimental if you don't get that fixed right away when

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actually it's actually very common for the cord to be around the baby's neck. And if

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you simply know how to act and respond in that moment, you just take it away. You don't

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cut the cord before, because that would cut off the oxygen. But before cutting the cord

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when the baby's still attached, the baby is not breathing through the outside world. And

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so it's actually okay, you know, so many pieces that I've been doing my due diligence, I feel

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to learn and to educate myself because it shouldn't be a shameful decision, you know,

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if you're yeah,

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Yeah, that's amazing.

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Yeah,

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That's amazing. You really are doing your due diligence because it's so true, like even

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like turning the baby, you hear of so many C sections because the baby's like breach

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or they're they're not in the right direction. And it's like, there's something called spinning

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babies where you can do exercises at home or like even inactive labor, like there's

436
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certain things like sifting and different practices that midwife can do to help to turn

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the baby, you can lay certain ways, you can do certain things. And there's even babies

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who are born breach naturally in home births like that's, you know, like what do you think

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they did years ago, it happens. So that's amazing that you're, you're looking into all

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of that. And yeah, like there's another resource that I used called Hypno babies, which was

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a course I took online to learn self hypnosis for labor, which that that doesn't have to

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be for home births, it can be for any kind of birth. And they actually gave a ton of

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information in order to empower you for having birth in the way that you want, whether you're

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in a hospital, you're at home, you're in a birthing center, and they give you tools for

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like, here's what are different, you know, standard normal practices. This is how you

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can decline it if you want, you can write a letter in this way, you can give this to

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the nurses like, you actually have the freedom to go call a hospital and ask for a tour of

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their labor and delivery unit so that you can actually almost like, interview in a sense

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where you want to give birth and go see it before you're like in the heat of the moment.

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Like, you know, how empowering is that? Like I've never heard anyone else talk about that.

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Like we can go ask them questions, we can go see it, we can go figure out what works

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best for us in our family. We don't, we're not at the whims of just the hospital that's

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closest to us.

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Yeah. Oh my gosh, that's incredible. And what a great tool. I'm so happy that a course

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like that exists and its sole purpose is to empower and educate people as they're gearing

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up for this incredibly important life decision of bringing a baby into the world. So all

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the resources.

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Yes, I definitely recommend it and they have a good sale on Black Friday weekend if anyone's

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looking.

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If no baby, got it. Thank you.

461
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:52,600
You're welcome.

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Oh, so good. And so now kind of thinking about post birth, how has becoming a mom changed

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you?

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I think in so many ways I'm the same, but in so many ways I'm different. I think one

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of the biggest teachings I've had has been around surrendering that what I want isn't

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always going to happen because it's not what's for the highest good of Lucas or it's not

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what he desires or it's not what's for the best for our whole family as a family unit.

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And I was shown this multiple ways, but some of the ways they're sticking out to me are

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while giving birth. I had this vision. I was planning for this home birth. I was successful

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with the home birth, but in my vision I was seeing myself doing a water birth. So we had

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this inflatable pool that I rented while I was in active labor. Eloy blew it up. Eloy

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is my partner for those who don't know. He had it set up. The pool was filled and when

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I was in the heat of active labor, nothing sounded good. A lot of people say, oh, you

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can get in the shower in labor. The water is soothing. Let it run down your back. Getting

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in the water is great. It sounded horrible. The thought of it made me cringe. My body

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was rejecting it. Full force. The only thing that felt good was standing or kneeling and

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rocking. Side to side. Hip swaying, basically. I tried to lay down, even what you see in

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a normal hospital setting and my body rejected that completely. I got physically ill. My

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dinner came up. So your body knows what it needs. And I will say, going just back to

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my labor, it was pretty intense. Lucas, my water broke at 2 a.m. and then I was in pretty

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intensive active labor until he was born at 7.30 a.m. And I remember just speaking to

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him and saying, okay, if it's going to be this intense, I can't take this for long.

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We need to get through this together. We need to get through it quickly. And a five and

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a half hour active labor from water breaking to birth is very quick for a first time labor

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or first time mother. And what's interesting is my midwife told me that Lucas had a shorter

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and umbilical cord. And when the umbilical cords are shorter like that, you feel the

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contractions stronger, more strong, stronger than if they're longer. And they're intense,

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not just for the mother, but for the baby, too. And so they come quicker and they come

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faster. And that's why the delivery happened so quickly.

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Interesting.

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It's just fascinating. And so that was a lesson in surrendering in that, like Lucas, I definitely

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know that was him. He's definitely an earth and a fire energy baby. It's not like water.

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The first couple of months of his life, he screamed the whole time he'd be taking a bath.

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And he did not want to come into this world physically in water. He wanted to be, you

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know, be not in that for sure. He wanted to be dry.

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He knew.

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Yes. And so I had to honor that and do what my body was telling me. And he continued in

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that trajectory, even, you know, feeding. I had a very, I really, really wanted to nourish

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him through nursing that just felt most aligned for me and how I wanted to feed him. Nothing

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wrong with how someone chooses to feed their baby or how they have to feed their baby.

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I think as long as a baby's being fed, that's what matters. But for me personally, I really

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wanted to nurse and he was born with a, a lip and a tongue tie and he had trouble latching.

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And it was extremely painful for me. And I had to resort to pumping, which was super

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time consuming for me. And it was very hard. And it was just a serious lesson in letting

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go and surrender, surrendering, because we ended up moving to formula. After a few months,

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it was the best choice for our family. And that was probably one of the hardest things

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I've ever had to do. Just because I had to release that strong vision and, and just trust

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that even though I wasn't giving my baby the nourishment and how I wanted to give him and

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how I felt would be the best for him, trusting that, you know, he's still getting the nourishment

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he needs and that he is thriving regardless.

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Right. Yeah. Just, we can have this plan, right? And the whole experience that kind

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of forces you to surrender in a way, right?

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Yes.

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Completely.

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What a teaching. I mean, that is huge. I think we all like to some extent have control issues

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in terms of outcomes and like knowing what we want really strongly and like our ego is

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like, this is it. This is me. This is my way. But when push comes to shove, we have to react

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in the way that the baby needs and in that you need in that present given moment without

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being able to actually see into the future, right? Just having to respond and let it be

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what it is.

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Yes. And speaking of that, if I could give any tip to any mom to be, I would say like

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there's so much emphasis on preparing for the birth, like equally, if not more, prepare

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for postpartum. That is so important and not even just the first week or the first month,

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but I'm talking like months because it's such a radical shift for your life.

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Not just surface level. It's like everything changes. And as a new mom, you're solely taking

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care of those babies, the baby's needs and they're the basic needs like the feeding,

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the bathing, the changing, the diaper, the sleeping, like, and the mom needs those needs

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met too so that she can keep showing up for the baby. Kind of going back to what you were

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saying earlier about the root chakra with like ensuring there's that sense of safety

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and security and that strong foundation. That's really what it's all about as a new mom postpartum.

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I would say for even the first 18 months, probably definitely for the whole 10 months

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I've had Lucas, there's been this deep teaching of calming my own nervous system and creating

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a strong foundation within me so that I am a strong foundation and a calming force for Lucas

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because they can't regulate themselves yet they're totally reliant on their mom.

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Right, right. I think that's such a good point and makes me think about like our generation and

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what an advantage we do have with all this information about the nervous system and self-care

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and ways to honor our needs. So it makes me really hopeful that maybe moms coming about

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and in our generation will be able to really prioritize that self-care that everyone's

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deserving of in those crucial times. Yes, completely. How about your spiritual practices? I'm sure

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like with less time for yourself, there might be a shift there. So what does that look like for you now?

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Yeah, I would say that has shifted a lot in that I used to carve out time for myself very

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consistently in doing meditations like either before bed or journaling certain times, doing certain

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rituals depending upon the season or the moon cycle and whatnot. And as a new mom, especially in

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those first or months when you're pending to a baby 24 seven exceptionally, like even throughout

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the night, it just there became no routine because my routine was Lucas. So like my spiritual

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practice became more of a living, breathing, intertwining and weaving throughout my daily

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life. Not that I didn't before, but it's just I rely on that even more so now. So it's like,

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if I have to go to an appointment or run an errand, it's like I'm almost doing like a meditation as

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I'm driving or I'm connecting to spirit guides as I'm driving or I'm going through like shadow work

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in my head as I'm driving, you know, like I might not have time to journal for 30 minutes, but I can

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do that while I'm on a walk and I'm pushing him in the stroll or as I'm, you know, in the shower,

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something like that, you know. Yeah, I think that's really practical. That's a really practical tip

553
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right there. It's like still create carving out that space for yourself during everyday

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activities that you can't avoid, right? Like doing the things like the appointments, the driving,

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the showers, just taking that extra mindful pause for yourself to dive into all these different

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aspects and keep it present and knowing that it doesn't have to be perfect, right? We don't have to

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be sitting perfectly still, silent in meditation to reap the same benefits as you would while doing

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these other things that are so necessary to really have so many hours in a day, right? Yes,

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exactly. And I would say like walking for me has been like my, my like sweet spot for that,

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because I'm lucky. I don't want to say I'm lucky, but you know, all babies are different and Lucas

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loves to be in his stroller and in his car seat. So he'll nap there. So like if I know what snap

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time I'll put him in that stroller and we'll go for like an hour walk. So it's like I'm getting that

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time in nature. I'm getting that time to connect to spirit. I'm getting that time while I'm, it's

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like I'm multitasking in a sense. And also at the same time, I'm now at a point 10 months postpartum

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where Lucas is a little more regulated. So I am starting to carve out more time where like,

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Sunday, I might go to a yoga class and Lucas will be with my mom or he'll be with Eloy. I am

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starting to like stretch away and, and create little buckets of time for myself. But a lot of the

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times I am very much with Lucas. That's huge. That's huge. It's a really good point. It's like

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this period doesn't last forever. Yes. In the scheme, like it is a very short time frame. And I

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think people kind of just equate having children to not having time for yourself at all anymore,

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like that just goes away. But I kind of detest that too. And I love that you're starting to feel

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like you're able and ready to like part for a yoga class, you know, something like that. I

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think that's really beautiful. Yes. Yes, you put it so eloquently. Thanks. And thinking about like,

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like staying on this spiritual journey topic, the spiritual practices, what are some of the

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energetic ways of shaping the child even before their arrival that you experimented with and

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experienced? Yes, I love this question. So I believe the soul really has certain,

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certain things that it wants to embody that it wants to create an experience when it's choosing

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to connect with its parents and to come into the physical form as a child on earth. And at the same

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time, us as parents, we can help shape the energy of our child in a certain way. And that way is

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the name that we choose to give them. I know that sounds so simple, yet it is so deeply profound.

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I think that's one of the only ways, if not the only way, that we can help shape them energetically.

582
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It's like an energetic imprint into the child and how they will show up into the world. And

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you might think like, well, how does the name like, how does that really impact them? Well,

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every name has a meaning. Every name like is derived from somewhere. So like, for instance,

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my name Jennifer means white wave or pure. Yeah, Lucas, his name means his relates to light,

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and pure light, loving light, something like that. And what's interesting is I mentioned earlier that

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he loves nature and he loves trees. Well, his last name means foliage. Wow, what is his last name?

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His last name's Ojeda. And it's Spanish. It means foliage, like literally like leaves.

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So it really shows up in how the child, like what they desire, what they're drawn to,

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his initial spell Leo, L-E-O. And we did that very deliberately because we have a cat named Leo,

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and we thought that was a sweet nod to him. But we also wanted to do that because my mother's maiden

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name was Leonard, which starts with L-E-O. And it's so funny because my mom sees aspects of her

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father in Lucas, who like the Leonard name would have come from. And my grandfather was an Ares

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son, and Lucas has an Ares moon. Oh, that's incredible. So it's like astrologically that

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energy, not only it doesn't just pull from the name, it connects astrologically then too. He has

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that fiery spirit. And he is a Capricorn sun and a Capricorn rising. So he has a ton of Capricorn

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in his chart, which is a lot of earth energy, a lot of masculine. So it's like, it's very interesting

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how the foliage, the Leonard, it's all pulling together and so interconnected into what he's

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drawn to and his personality and spirit. Oh, that's beautiful. Oh my gosh, I love,

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and I'm not surprised at all at the levels of intentionality that went into creating and deciding

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on his name. And how about like Lucas, his first name, how did you land on that?

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Yes. So that was a group effort for sure with his dad. We were going through names and

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Eloy feels that his name is pretty unique. And I think he appreciates names that are more,

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I don't want to say general, but they're a little more common, I guess. Yeah. And he likes that

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with a name like Lucas, you can have a nickname like Luke. So you have options. Like I think he

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felt a little stuck with just having his name without like a nickname. So we both were drawn

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to Lucas. Like I think he liked it for those reasons that we could call him Luke. We also call

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him Lukey for now anyway. Yeah. I just really liked that name. I was, of course, I was the one

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looking at the meanings of the name. So I think Lucas means bringer of light. And I was like,

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yes, I resonate that with that so deeply. And I personally resonate a lot with Christ energy

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and Christ consciousness and just I felt that Christ connection with the name Lucas as well,

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that I really liked pulling in for him. Incredible. Thanks for sharing that. I feel like I have such

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a good understanding of him and his little soul and his energy now. The whole story of naming him

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and just his connection with the trees and foliage and all the sweetie pie. Yeah, it's so funny. And

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like, you know, the name Leo, I feel like you think of lions, you know, and like with our cat,

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Leo. And it's so true. Like I feel that fiery energy with the Aries, but he's also drawn to

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lions and I feel a lot of sun energy. So it's just, it's so interconnected and multifaceted.

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It's just so wild and beautiful. Totally. And hey, I have a Capricorn moon and Aries rising. So

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I feel like I know Lucas on a deep level too, just with some of those elements and forces

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astrologically in our charts. Oh, amazing. You're going to have to meet him. Oh my gosh, can't wait.

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Yes. Yeah. Well, thinking about just like this time of life and where a lot of our listeners

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may or may not be on their path. Are there any tips that you can offer for those deciding if

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they want to have children, if they, if they don't, and how to know if you're ready?

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I think this is such a multifaceted question. I think part of this, like going, reflecting on

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my journey, like I mentioned at the beginning of us talking, I think a big part of me not feeling

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ready or like I wanted children at first was that I felt a lot of fear. And I think some of that was

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collective fear, like picking up on collective energy, like the world isn't safe, like where is

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the world headed? Things aren't good anymore in the world. Certain things like that. And I think

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another aspect of it was like, I didn't meet the right person yet. I think when you are showing up

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in life, I don't want to use the word field, but you're feeling more whole on your own and you're

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feeling stable and you're feeling like your cup is full and like you're ready to give,

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not just receive and you are in this like powerful place and energy of just

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showing up in the world and like feeling your own power and then you meet someone else who you're

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resonating with and they are kind of in their own power too. And you resonate with them and you

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know like, hey, I see myself having a child with them. Like this could be really good. I think that

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really speaks volumes. I think it's, you know, there's a lot of fear and thinking about, I don't

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know if I'd want to raise a child by myself, you know, that might be for some people, it might not

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be for others. And yet I think when there's the right stability, the right foundation, the right

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connections in a partner as well as in yourself, that eases a lot of that to be able to see and

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bring a child into the world. That feels really, really good. Yeah. And I resonate with that too.

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Thank you. Thank you for those tips and thank you for sharing your whole lived experience

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from pre-motherhood to currents and everything in between. So I just really appreciate and value

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all of your insights always. So thank you, Jen. You're so welcome. And I'm so grateful that I

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could be here to talk with you all about this. I feel like I could keep talking for hours. This is

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just such an important topic. And yeah, I really, I really, really, really feel that the children

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that are coming to this world now are so special and they're carrying a different frequency. And

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so this is really important because I feel like we need to listen to not only our own bodies,

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but what these children want that are coming forward to come here. And it's like, how do they

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want to enter this earth? Absolutely. Not just what we want. So thank you for listening and for

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opening this topic up to be explored. Oh my gosh, of course, it's a new way of parenting. It's a new

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way of being. And that's really exciting. And I'm excited for our generation and beyond to

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change the narrative, right? Like, I apologize as parents. What? There's so many things that are

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going to be so healing to come and humbling. So I think we'll have to have you on again. And like,

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just as Lucas continues to grow and age and all the different kind of eras of parenthood and

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learn from you and your journey. So oh my gosh, I would love that. And you're so right. It's like

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a whole different level of conscious parenting that's like taking over the earth right now.

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Right. It's so true. And it's so great to see. It's very healing to even see the possibilities

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out there. So how can our listeners connect with you? Yes. So you can connect with me on Instagram.

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I'm at jargon with Jen. Or you can visit my website at Jennifer-Hoffman.co.

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Perfect. Yes. And to our sweet listeners, thank you for being with us. We would love to hear your

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thoughts and feedback and takeaways and anything that this brought up in you. You can reach out to

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us at Awaken Together podcast on Instagram. You can reach out to Jen directly. And we're always

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here for you. Can't wait to be with you all next week. Thanks again, Jen. Bye. Bye.