Hello everyone and welcome to the Awaken Together podcast.
I'm Jay and I'm Kat.
And today we are going to be sharing with you all of the things behind Friday the 13th
for this episode.
So we're going to be talking, yes, cue the sound.
So we're going to be talking angel numbers, some superstitions, and maybe even sharing
a little bit of our own personal ghost and spooky stories.
But before we dive into all of that, Kat and I are fresh off of our yoga and wellness retreat,
our witchy retreat that we hosted in New Orleans.
And so we wanted to share about that because it was so special.
So Kat, start us off sharing your thoughts, hearts, feelings, all of the things.
Yeah, it was amazing.
Oh my gosh, what a dream.
I had never been to New Orleans before.
And so it's my first time there.
And I was super excited to even plan this kind of a witchy wellness retreat there with
you.
And yeah, the whole dream started like over a year ago.
So we've been back for what, like two days now?
We're still on the road.
Yeah, no matter.
I know.
And yeah, it was just absolutely gorgeous.
The city now is one of my top three favorite cities in the whole country.
It felt so European from just like the dreamy, charming, mysterious intrigue of all the little
shops to the different colors, to the accents and the food.
The whole vibe there was just like on point.
And then our group was amazing.
It was like everybody just meshed and flowed from the get go.
So we didn't even really have to do much of like connecting people here and there.
It just happened so organically.
So it was amazing.
Yeah.
What are the highlights for you, Jen?
Yeah, this group was so special.
We were so grateful and it's always fun.
I always studied the astrology before the retreats and I knew we had a fun fiery group
and the fire was so apparent.
Everyone was just so passionate and into all of the different things.
We really tried to diversify our retreats and give like so many takeaways.
So it was cool.
Our house was in the middle of the bayou.
We were like in the swamps and I loved that.
We had the coolest like outside area.
And yeah, we did such a fun mix of yoga, meditations, different workshops where we like tuned into
our psychic gifts.
We did protection spells.
We got to do a cacao circle.
And so all of the different activities at home and just having that deeper, more intimate
connection, I mean, to me, that is the ultimate thing of the retreats is just getting to like
bond and connect in a way that our world kind of can push us from since we're so busy.
And then yeah, it was just a perk to also have this really vibey city.
I think one of my biggest highlights, we did a voodoo mystery dinner.
I got to learn a lot about voodoo, which was also really fun.
I get really nerdy in the town reading all the things.
We went to a voodoo museum.
So anyway, that was also fun.
And then we did a murder mystery dinner and everyone had a different part and our group
took it 10 out of 10.
I felt like I watched a Broadway play.
Yeah, I was just astounded by the accents, the different personas people took on.
It was so good.
No one half asked.
Nope.
There wasn't a half asser in the group.
I so appreciated that.
And we all got the murderer wrong.
Like it was, we were convinced.
They had us going.
Like everyone did.
It was phenomenal.
Oh, it was so good.
I'm going to think of that forever.
So so grateful to the group and we're so excited to keep the retreats going.
It feels so in alignment for Kat and I.
And it's just such a beautiful way to share all of the things that we've delved into and
get to do it in a way that's just this really cool container.
And yeah, I feel so lucky to be able to do this and do it with you, Kat.
It's amazing to me too.
So grateful.
It's truly a dream come true.
And yeah, just the levels of vulnerability and connection always amaze us.
It's like people's hearts just bubble up and out and just connect.
And it's a true coven.
We really are a little witch family and we're just accumulating more and more sisters throughout
the years into our big awaken together coven family.
And it's just the best.
Yeah.
And thanks to all the listeners too.
This is so fun to take what we've learned and spread it and have it all just keep spreading
out.
It's like the goal of this for us has always been to help awaken people on such a bigger
level.
And once you know and can sense that there is so much more than what they tried to advertise
with this life and existence.
And once you know that and you really have felt it and sensed it, it's just like you
can't go back and it makes everything just more intentional and beautiful.
And yeah, so value that.
That's right.
It's exactly right.
And we're excited because today's episode is coming out on October, Friday the 13th.
And so we knew that especially coming off this amazing witchy retreats kind of like
halfway in between Halloween with this spooky month.
We had to lean in and talk about the superstitions, the haunting signs, angel numbers, all the
goodness.
So Jen, when you think about Friday the 13th, what comes to mind for you?
Yeah.
So I obviously was steered away from that and my religion trauma upbringing that comes
up in nearly every episode.
So anytime people would be spooked and I'd ask my mom, she'd be like, I don't believe
in any of that garbage, just very much like not having it.
But I think it's very interesting that every culture tends to have these different superstitions.
And I think at its basis, I think a lot of it is just kind of valuing trends and synchronicities
and things that have been noticed by different collective groups.
And I'm sure there is some, there could be some logic and some bigger meaning behind
those things.
I fully believe that we're always interacting with another realm.
And I do fully sense that.
I do think for me with having the religion trauma background, I think if you get so obsessive
on there being an exact rule book and there's all these things you have to be really careful
of doing, it also then turns into kind of that spiritual religion OCD in my head where
you can just be like, oh no, like I forgot to do that.
Now I'm fucked.
You know, I think all these bad things are going to happen because of, you know, you
didn't follow the exact regimen and all this.
So to me, like, I feel like what it is in like kind of a more zoomed out version is
just honoring the respect that we are dealing with, you know, sacred spirits and maybe our
ancestors.
And there is like a lot of, you can offer a lot of respect and it doesn't have to mean
like if you don't do it, something awful happen.
But I do think it's, it's important to kind of value it that way.
So I think of it as I'm meeting anything that's a little bit more divine and spiritual that
I like to meet it with kind of, yeah, just a sense of respect and honoring it a lot more
than thinking if I don't do this, I'm going to like screw myself over.
What about you, Kat?
Yeah, I like that way of thinking about it.
It's like taking some of the power away from the rules and all of that, like acknowledging
they're there, but not necessarily diving into all the stories of them.
It's cool.
Yeah, I feel similarly.
Did your Greek culture have anything too?
I wanted to hear that.
You know, maybe, maybe like way back.
It's not something that I'm super aware of with this number in particular.
But there are a bunch of different like tools in Greek culture that are a little witchy,
I think in the pod before I've mentioned, like checking for the evil eye.
So it's said that when someone is jealous of you, they will be like energetically sending
bad upon you because they want what you have.
And so a way that like my dad always gets this when he goes to church, my mom will get
it after being around groups of large, like large groups of people.
So this is like my grandmother, my ayayay, she will check for the evil eye by dropping
some oil into a glass of water and seeing how the oil separates, and then she'll say
a little prayer and then she'll do the sign of the cross.
And then that's how she gets rid of it.
My mom has her own way of doing that by saying the person's name and then yawning.
So definitely like that's what comes to mind for me in terms of like superstitions and
evil spirits and bad energy being wished upon people.
But yeah, I was kind of looking this up before too, and it is definitely present in multiple
cultures and religions, even all the way back to like Norse culture.
There was something about like Loki and the number 13.
It's not super top of mind right now, but that Spanish culture, like tons of different
cultures and religions.
And it's funny how now like our melting pot that we live in here in America, it really
is like, I feel like we pull on a lot of different cultures and religions and kind of make our
own story for them.
And so some of that has been kind of exacerbated.
You can see in modern day culture by so many hotels and buildings skipping having a 13th
floor, like in an elevator, if you see, often there won't be a 13th floor, there will be
a 12 and that'll go right to 14.
And same thing with like room numbers, even where I work right now at Nurture, the salt
room is number 213, but we didn't make it anyone's office.
And I'm pretty sure that was purposeful because a lot of people are superstitious and don't
want their business or say their hotel room or anything associated with a number that
could be unlucky.
This is very big in Japan too.
I remember like 13, there's nothing a label 13 there from when I went.
But yeah, the way that I kind of see this is the more superstitious you are, the more
superstitions you abide by and have like even a black cat crossing the street.
Like there's a black cat in my neighborhood who my dog, Minnie, just barks at every day
and I see it every day.
And if I really believe that that was bad luck, every day I'd have bad luck, right?
That's kind of how I see it.
The salt, if you drop salt, toss it over your shoulder, there's so many of these that if
we really think about, we could list out and be like, damn, I can't do anything in my life
without causing bad luck.
Yeah, you'd have an OCD day.
Exactly.
You would just be spending your whole day doing your little ticks to like rid yourself
of the bad luck.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, if we're looking for bad, if we're looking for trouble or like feelings of being
unlucky, I truly believe we will find it.
Even when I was in college, I was a freshman in college and there was just a lot of shit
that happened in my life then.
My dad lost his job.
My mom was diagnosed with cancer and my best friend, Margie, her dad had a heart attack
and her mom like broke her back.
Like it was just a crazy couple of months.
And young me, I was like, oh, I just have bad luck right now.
I don't know like what came over me.
I was just like, so much bad is happening.
I must have bad luck.
And so I went on to get a horseshoe tattooed on me when I don't even really like horses.
It's never really resonated with me.
But I just did this silly me thinking that I had bad luck.
And it wasn't until a couple of years later where I had found yoga, I was very much on
my spiritual path that I actually got that tattoo covered up with a compass, a mandala
and the om symbol, which is much more representative of me.
But it was also this big message that I told to myself of like, no, you don't have bad
luck, Kat.
We all go through hard periods of life and you are on your path and it's not your fault
basically.
Yeah.
And so much of the time when we're going through like more intense shadows, it's there is
a lot that can be found that's helpful in those even when it can be, you know, seemingly
bad.
It also, you know, there's, there's always going to be periods, but those periods can
also show us a side of ourself that can be literally so critical to our, our healing
and being able to surface different layers.
I mean, you're not going to surface your deepest, darkest pains that need to be kind of worked
through while life's going terrific.
Usually, you know, it's usually circumstances outside of you that are catalyst to pulling
so much of that up.
So definitely good and important to note.
And then, yeah, I think, I think for a lot of it, like, yeah, it's, I think it's important
to you.
We've done so many talks on here about rituals and having these practices that keep you intentional.
But my rule of thumb, and I think I've said this on the pod too, is that we know that
fear just regulates the nervous system.
And if you are sitting there, like living in fear that all this stuff is going down
or that you screwed something up or that you're, you're having bad juju and you just are like
very consumed by that, then I also think you need to see where your nervous system's at.
And a lot of the practices that are more kind of like spiritual and conscious, like yoga
and meditation and doing energy work, those things are helping you drop deeper into your
body.
And it's also really regulating for the nervous system.
So it's kind of a two for one, the stuff that helps kind of change your energy is also the
stuff that's actually calming your nervous system down.
So if it becomes like a fear cycle, I think you have to really check yourself.
And I think that's where our logical brain can sometimes take things too far when it's
actually time to drop deeper into the feeling body and our energy field and not try to do
everything up in our head.
A hundred percent.
Yes.
Fear just regulates the nervous system.
I'm going to just echo what you said again.
It's so true.
And I think that's really important too, this time of year.
It's actually kind of fun, right?
To like watch scary movies, to lean into fear intentionally, right?
But I think just like paying attention to that and what it's doing to your body.
And there are a lot of people who really can't easily escape those feelings of fear and it's
to no fault of their own.
I think the more that we deeply ingrain a pattern into our brains, those samskaras,
the more we feel things, the harder it is to get out of those trenches.
So yeah, it can be fun to like dip our toes into fear and to ghost stories, all of the
fun of this time of year, the shadow side too.
But also realizing when, okay, maybe I've been hovering in this space for a little bit
too long.
Maybe it's time for me to shake things up and yeah, just get more into the light again.
So that balance, right?
Yeah.
And let's switch gears into angel numbers, but I think on this, I have seen people get
so obsessive with angel numbers that they also take that way too far.
I've seen almost so many spiritual practices where it gets taken to a point of once again,
yeah, getting so logical and so in your head that you're taking it to a point where it
can't even be intentional because it's becoming so hyper kind of latched onto for deeper meaning.
And I think all of this should be in balance.
That's a very important term always in all these practices.
But angel numbers we've talked about in some ways comes in, I think as I feel like when
I know that I'm kind of in my path and that I am being more intentional, I'll see a lot
more signs and meaning.
I feel like if I'm not in a place where I'm paying attention, I don't really notice as
many of those things, but it's beautiful to me.
It ends up being this big gratitude when I see a lot of repetitive signs because I feel
really held.
Like I can tell my spirit team is close by and I know for me, like I went through a lot
of change recently and 555 is definitely teaching a lot of change.
And I thought that was just really cool because it felt like, yeah, this is happening, but
just yeah, ground into your practices, know that this is happening for a greater purpose.
That's how I took it.
And I've always been like a 11, 11, make a wish kind of girl.
Yeah, me too.
I always have loved that.
I thought it was just a cute thing.
Like if you catch it, it's just really nice.
I liked it for dropping in for a second, just thinking about my intentions and yeah, making
that just like a cute little moment.
Yeah.
Give us some of those details on the angel numbers.
Yeah.
Well, my relationship with angel numbers is very similar to yours.
I don't always dive into the stories of like what each different number pattern means unless
it's one that's recurring for me a lot.
Like you're saying with 555, if it's like really loud, I can't not see it.
It's like, okay, I'll look up what that one means.
So just to give a little refresher or maybe an introduction to angel numbers, if this
is new to you, angel numbers are basically patterns of numbers that you see, whether
you are looking at the clock, looking at the time, looking at license plates, looking at
the cost of things, whichever ways that numbers appear to you in everyday life.
So these patterns can look like 111, they can look like 123, they can look like 1212,
they can look like any pattern that's recurring, repetitive, that sticks out to you really.
So starting with like the triples, the 111, this one is said to be representative of new
beginnings.
It's the number one.
So I think that's an easy way that you can kind of remember that.
This is one that I probably see the most.
Personally, I have my birthday is 2-11, so one plus one equals two, and then 11 is 11.
And then 1991 is the year I'm born.
So another like set of 11s, and 11 has stuck out in my life so much.
Kyle's birthday is also 7-11.
We adopted Minnie on 5-11, we got married on 9-11.
So it's kind of crazy.
It's like a really special number and date with significance in my life.
And the next one, 222, this one is said to represent balance, harmony, and alignment.
This is probably the second one I see the most.
So love those twos.
It's a good sign.
I mean, they're all pretty much good signs because they can help you dive into what's
going on in life.
So 3-3-3, this is the pattern for creativity.
If you are diving into a new creative project, it's kind of like good, you're on your way,
you're on your path.
If you're feeling a little stagnant and you're seeing 3-3-3, maybe you see that as a sign
to pick up a creative venture like drawing or anything that feels creative for you.
Then we have 4-4-4.
This one represents stability and inner wisdom, kind of your guides poking, being on the right
path.
Then 5-5-5, this one you mentioned, Jen, which is funny because this one is, it says possible
curveball on the horizon.
Yeah.
Oh, there was curveballs occurring.
Yeah, curveballs left and right.
So change up ahead is that one.
Then 6-6-6, this one's all about connecting to your heart.
It's about emotional support, empathy, kindness.
So it's kind of like the opposite of what you might think with the devil.
It's actually like the heart.
So that's, I think, a nice way to think about it.
Then 7-7-7, this one's about releasing fears of the future.
So maybe anxiety is just a little message from your guides to just try to let go and
come back to what's real, the present.
Then 8-8-8, this is one that spans, again, across many cultures.
This is a number representative of abundance and wealth and having enough and being full.
Then 9-9-9, this is the closing of a cycle.
This is the end.
So this can represent the end of one chapter before the next one, which is the 1-1-1.
So just little ways, of course, to pay attention to your guides sending you signals.
But really, we don't want you to obsess about this because we've seen it take weird turns
for people.
Yeah.
To me, it's just a little reminder to drop in.
It really drops me into the present.
That's just kind of how I see it as just being an extra sign.
I think all of the numerology, I love the correlation even to tarot cards and the numbers.
I do think that you can always build a rhythm and pattern for communicating with the universe.
I do think when you're more dropped in, you tend to see more signs.
I know for me, there's been periods where I will see the same type of bird again and
again and again, or a lot of butterflies.
It fills my heart with gratitude when I'm seeing those patterns because it's dropping
me in and showing me that, yeah, it might all feel really hard sometimes, but look at
what's happening around you and how beautiful it can all be even when it feels chaotic and
crazy.
Yeah.
That's the magic.
It's those little things that make me realize and remind me of the magic that's happening
around us and that's accessible to us at all times when we are present and just paying
attention.
Yeah.
Well, I love that.
And yeah, it's really cool.
It's cool that we are a part of something bigger and to wrap up this Friday the 13th
episode, if you're actually listening to this in time, we have eclipses coming up.
So I think all of the grounding is really good even on this more superstitious day,
but we thought we'd ended up, me and Kat, going through New Orleans.
We went on a ghost and vampire tour and we're sharing some of our spookier stories.
So we thought we'd end it with just sharing one of our more spooky stories with you if
you're down for the spooky stuff.
Mine's pretty spooky.
It sure is.
If you're ready.
Yeah.
I think I'm ready for yours, Jen.
Let's get a little afraid.
Honestly, I got a whole arsenal of creepy stories from working at the nursing home.
You're around so much death and I just feel like honestly, energetically, I wish more
spiritual kind of cleansing practices could be brought into the nursing home because there's
a lot going on in these places and you're just not allowed to do the things.
So it's a lot of energetic stuff and I definitely experienced a lot of that watching so many
weird things go down.
I used to work kind of the later shift at my nursing home, but this is my best story
for you.
So I had this little old woman in her nineties and she couldn't talk or walk and I had taken
care of her for years and I always had to do everything for her.
She didn't really talk.
She'd nod her head every now and then, but that's what I was very used to with her and
I put her to bed that night, got her in her pajamas, took her to the bathroom, tucked
her in and then when I went back to do my evening check at like 1030 at night, I go
in and she's laying in bed with her eyes wide open and the blankets held halfway over her
face and she's just staring at her closet and I was like, oh my goodness, what's wrong?
And I put my hand on her, like trying to comfort her and she looks right at me and goes, Satan's
in my closet.
Awful.
Literally.
I was like, oh no, there's nothing there and I just like start backing up and I walk out
of the room like so fast.
It was like, I will not look in that closet.
Like I just backed up was like tripping over myself.
It was like, get out of here.
And then I'm like, my heart rate was like so high and I was like freaked out and I go
and I start telling people and they're like, that's weird and I'm like, I'm not okay guys.
Like what?
Completely nonverbal and then says that.
Like what?
So clear.
And then I'm doing my paperwork and the next shift usually comes like, yeah, around 11,
I'm just doing paperwork and I see one of the residents in a nightgown walking in the
hallway and I was like, oh, who is that?
And like, it's not like terribly abnormal.
Like we have a lot of sundowners patients, but I like, couldn't figure out who it is.
Sure enough.
It's our wheelchair bound woman who I do everything for Satan's in my closet.
She's up and walking in the middle of the hall.
She's not holding onto the railing, um, unheard of.
And I'm just like, okay guys, like please someone come with me.
We walk her and she like crawls into bed with like way more movement than she's supposed
to have.
Like old people don't usually put weight through their knees.
Like she like went into that bed and I was like, I am done today.
Like I did not handle this.
And we tuck, we tuck her in.
I had someone with me and I'm just like, I got to get out of here.
And then everyone's like rationale behind it was like, oh, it's probably her last like
push because some people right before they die, we'll get this last wind and have like,
like a really active day and then they will just pass away the next day.
I've seen that happen so many times.
Um, no, another year.
Um, she was just back to normal.
Just that one night, never again.
I never wanted to go in that room by myself.
Um, ever.
Um, after that I always was like, can you come check on this one with me?
Like, but nothing again ever happened.
So spookiest shit ever.
And that's my story.
Oh my gosh.
That's so crazy.
Oh yeah.
I mean, just the energy of that place must've been fiery.
Something, something was there that day.
Um, for sure.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
My stories are all from when I was little, cause we know like it's been, I don't know
if proven is the word, but like it's commonly known that kids, the veil is thinner between
realms between here and those who have passed, um, and those who come before us.
Like it is just thinner for children and it's also thinner around Halloween.
So as a child, I was very just afraid of Satan and like exorcisms.
And I just kind of had this, I don't know, it was like a bit irrational, like more than
what is normal for a little kid, I think.
And so I, I felt like for a really long time that I was possessed in the past life, but
I don't know, uh, that hasn't come up in my Akashic records, but we'll see.
Maybe I'll have to do that again.
So yeah.
Um, thinking about back to when I was child, I saw scary movie three, which they're making
fun of the exorcist and they're just making fun of her, right?
It's like they're throwing up on each other there.
She's peeing.
It's supposed to be silly.
And I saw that as a kid and had to go to therapy.
I couldn't stay alone at home.
Um, and yeah, it was just kind of crazy.
Um, I was just really afraid.
And soon after that, I just felt like, I don't know, I was really afraid of things and didn't
want to be left alone at home, like I said.
So my parents avoided it.
And there was one night where there's maybe 30 minutes where I was just going to be home
alone before my dad could get home from work and my mom had to be somewhere.
So I was just like, ah, hyper aware, like walking around my house, just like making
sure all my things were okay.
I don't know as you do as a kid when you're freaked out.
And I saw this pair of shoes by my front door and it, they were there.
And then I walked away and I was doing my little laps around the house pacing nervously,
turning on some music.
And then they weren't there when I came back and no one else was home.
So I just screamed and called my parents and that was the last time they let me go alone
for a little while.
But the therapy helped for sure.
And she validated me and all that.
Um, but yeah, there's just some things that we can't always explain away.
Still a mystery as a little kid.
Yeah.
But as a little kid, I feel like you're so sensing so much.
I remember having the most vivid dreams and having so many things like pop through.
Like, yeah, you're so close, but yet, yeah, we don't really like nurture that side of
kids very well.
And it's, you know, it gets very dismissed and like, it's a hard thing to kind of adjust
the lines.
I think there's a lot of wisdom that can be there as a kid, but yeah, just the way it's
kind of seen in society, it all just gets so spooky.
And you also feel a little crazy because it doesn't feel like any of the adults, like as
much know what to do with all the things you're saying.
So yeah, I feel like that fully, uh, I believe it.
And I feel like I have a lot of those little things.
I was always noticing stuff that felt really wild and then having people be like, it's
okay.
It's nothing.
And I was like, I don't know.
Like, that was pretty like weird.
But yeah, I love that.
Yeah.
Share with us any of the spooky stories.
It was so fun going around.
I love like around the bonfires, scary story, especially at this time.
It's a whole vibe, right?
Yeah.
Let us know if you have any strong interactions that you've had with the other side.
We love hearing about it and we just generally love hearing from you all.
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