Hello everyone and welcome to the Awaken Together podcast.
I am Jen and today it's going to be me and a very special guest, Kate Kettlecamp.
And we are going to be unpacking a topic that we get asked about, I feel like all the time
on this podcast.
So we are going to be discussing astro-cartography and Kate is an expert astrologer and focuses
in on astro-cartography.
She is also a PhD candidate for philosophy, cosmology, and consciousness.
So vibey.
Welcome, Kate.
Thank you, Jen.
Thanks so much for having me.
Oh my gosh, this is a subject matter that I have wanted to be able to pick someone's
brain on even deeper because it continuously blows my mind.
Astrology, I think as you know, as someone who is also an astrologer, it just continues
to like mystify and like deepen your trust in the universe, you know?
Yeah, I definitely agree with that.
I think that the synchronicities of seeing narrative in your life and correlations spark
a sense of wonder and excitement that is unparalleled.
Unparalleled.
It's every single time I do a chart reading, I feel like I'm even deeper, just like, oh
my gosh, this is so, so cool.
And we've done other episodes on astrology and we've kind of talked out, like, it's not
even necessarily you have to believe in astrology or not.
It's simply its own kind of form of science of looking at these patterns and just way
things present and then how it kind of trickles over into the presentation of a person and
how they live their life.
And it just endlessly amazes me.
Yeah, me too.
And I think that you really don't even need to believe in the reality of it to experience
the benefits of it.
So true.
Yeah.
And so astro-cardography, I want you to kind of talk that out with us and share just, yeah,
what it is and how you found that.
Yeah.
So astro-cardography, always, as soon as I came on my radar, I was immediately intrigued
because it was introduced to me as a way to find the best place to live, the best places
to travel.
And I originally was extremely skeptical because it's your chart superimposed on a map and
based on the way that your chart would change as a relocated chart, all that to say just
that it could make any difference at all.
Things that you felt in a certain city was mind blowing to me.
But as I checked my own lines and found just amazing correlations, I started to really
believe in the power of astro-cardography.
And since then, working with other people, doing readings and hearing such amazing stories,
I fully come to believe in the correlations that we see with the map and the lines and
the charts.
Yes.
I came at it.
I want to share a little bit of how I found this, which I've shared on this podcast once
before.
But I, like you, was so skeptical.
I was like, okay, astrology is already amazing me and it's really cool.
But to say it has locations, I think we're stretching it a little bit.
There's no way.
This seems like a little bit of a stretch.
And then I was like, well, I'll look at my chart and just kind of see.
And immediately I had like goosebumps because I was so shocked that my husband's chart and
my chart, I had them both pulled up.
And my Venus line, Venus is the planet of love.
My Venus went right through New London, Connecticut, where my husband was born.
And his Venus line went right through Daytona Beach, where I was born.
And then the other like wild thing just initially just knowing kind of the influences of the
planets.
Jupiter went right through Huntington, West Virginia, which is just such a, just a particular
spot to have the line going through.
And that is where my husband was living when I met him.
And it's just, I was like, okay, you have my attention, astro cartography.
So share, yeah, share some of what you saw in your own chart too.
I would love to hear.
I love that.
I feel like, especially when it comes to relationship, that feels like such a meant to be feeling.
And I, it's so funny that you had that experience because that was really the kicker for me
as well as I moved to Denver, which happens to be on my Venus line.
I met my boyfriend.
And then when I checked his chart, seeing that his ran through Illinois, which is where
I'm from.
Wow.
So that's always like a good little wink from the universe that like something bigger is
happening.
Absolutely.
But yeah, that's exactly why I think initially I was intrigued because I do feel like Denver
has really embodied Venus in so many ways for me and the way that Venus operates in
my chart, which has a broad range of manifestations.
I feel like I've felt a lot of those different manifestations here in Denver.
I love that.
I want to hear so much more of kind of like personal influence, but just for the listeners,
can you give us a little just the quickest summary of some of the lines like energy?
So just going through like some of the planets, just so if someone's pulling up their astro
cartography chart, which obviously a reading is highly encouraged here so that you can
unpack it.
But what are some of the like general influences you see most commonly with different lines?
Yeah, absolutely.
I think people, you know, everyone's always intrigued by Venus.
They want to live on their Venus line because some of the manifestations of Venus are love
and relationships.
And I have known people to go to their Venus line looking for love.
But Venus is also beauty and finances and more than just love and relationships.
But those are the main things that come up with the Venus line.
Sun line, sun is the ego, the essence, the self.
They say the sun line is good to travel to or live on if you want to tap into the self
and to who you are, maybe where you feel most like you can be yourself is the sun line.
The moon line in a similar but different way is more feminine energy.
It's home, it's the mother, sister, and the moon.
People say that line offers a lot of comfortability.
And so some people travel to their moon line for emotional experiences or for a feeling
of coming back home in some way.
Mars, Mars line is interesting.
Mars is drive, ambition, passion.
Mars line can be very activating in a range of ways from encouraging you in your drive
as well as sometimes people say the Mars line has brought up conflict or I knew someone
who lived on their Mars line for a year and went through a breakup and they really related
that to like some extreme conflict in their relationship.
So Mars is definitely multifaceted as all the planets are.
Mercury is the planet of communication and Mercury is a great line to live on for work
or to travel to.
I had one of the lines that most convinced me that it was valid in my own experience
is Mercury because I have Mercury running straight through the town that my school is
in San Francisco.
And it's funny because my school is virtual and it's cool because you don't even have
to be on the line to be receiving the energy and the connection to that line's energy,
which I think is neat.
Same with relationships, like if you know someone who lives on your Venus line, that's
another way of interacting with that Venus energy.
So that's Mercury.
Which ones are we missing here?
Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto.
So working towards the outer planets, Jupiter is the luck line, as they call it.
People, that's one of the more favorable lines to live on.
And Jupiter is luck, abundance, positive experiences, faith and optimism.
Saturn is a line that people typically do not seek out, but Saturn is our challenges,
our karma, our lessons, our growth and maturation.
And I will say that I've had very positive experiences traveling to Saturn.
I don't think I've ever lived on Saturn.
So I guess-
Yeah, I'll say it while we're on it.
So Denver is my Saturn line.
And I think about this often because obviously I believe in the influences of these things
a lot because of how accurate it is for me finding my partner and just wild stuff.
But I will say for me, this is another thing where I think knowing your own personal chart
can be so important because I have so much air in my chart and can be all over the place.
I just have very excitable energy, which can go a little unhinged, I think, at times.
So for me, Saturn, being here in Denver, I have gotten in the best shape of my life.
I have the most perfect routine.
That's like, I can't break it.
The energy it used to take to cultivate a routine was next level.
And here it's just so natural to stay in a workout routine, to go into stuff.
And it's funny because Saturn is in my house of health.
So it's just funny how it kind of connects and plays out.
But that line, they say, can age you really quickly.
And I can tell that I'm more rigid.
But in some ways, I so value that because it can be so unhinged, is the best word that's
coming to mind when I'm elsewhere.
I love that.
Yeah, thank you for sharing that.
I love to hear positive Saturn stories.
I do love Saturn.
I actually named my business after Saturn.
Kronos is Saturn.
So definitely here for positive Saturn.
Sometimes we need to be disciplined a little bit.
It's good.
That's true.
And I think that even in times that I've traveled to my Saturn line, I've had more serious experiences
there.
Yeah.
But very formative in that way.
Yeah.
A lot of growth.
Yeah.
And then for the three outer, like Pluto, Neptune, Uranus.
Yeah.
What are some of your takes on those?
So for, I'm curious what you would say about Uranus because I know that Uranus is a little
bit of a wild card.
Yeah.
I know people that have had really amazing experiences on Uranus line and also not the
best experiences.
Uranus is breakthrough, change, transformation.
I typically associate the planet with a feeling of erraticness and definitely Prometheus stealing
fire from the gods, having that energy of transformation and rebellion.
Yeah.
I have actually never been under that line for myself, but I definitely know some of
these outer planets.
It definitely, I think, matters how it hits in your chart, but I've also seen kind of
a mix.
I know Neptune line can be really dreamy, really enhanced kind of like that spiritual
essence, but can also make you so delusional.
I have friends that have lived under their Neptune line, have these crazy dreams, feel
really ungrounded, but then some people can really need that energy to take different
steps.
Yeah, it's fascinating.
Exactly.
I always ask before an astro cartography of what energy are you looking for right now?
Because a lot of times people will be like, where should I go?
Where should I live?
You wish that it would be so simple as that to pick, but usually it's like you get a little
bit of a combo of lines.
It's activating different things in the chart and it does become complex very quickly how
things might affect you.
And then also with that original question of what do you want to embody right now?
What are you looking to tap into?
Right.
Yeah.
So such a good point and it's so true.
And I go ahead and give us Pluto and then we can circle back because I have a few things
I want to say about what you shared too, but let's wrap up that other planet because Pluto
is also a kicker.
Yeah.
I have some weird affinity for Pluto.
So I'm always pro Pluto, but yeah, Pluto can be extremely intense rules, archetypes of
death and rebirth similar to what we think of when we think of Scorpio of really deep
subconscious subterranean themes can come up on that line.
Awesome.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I think I want to touch on the point that you said, because I think this is so important
to realize too that this doesn't always have to be a guide for necessarily moving.
It's definitely even considered a travel suggestion or places you can go to pick up extra energy.
But I loved what you said that you don't always even have to go there to be interacting with
the line.
So an example of this is my sister, she is entrepreneur, has her own business and she
has her planet of luck going through Portland, Oregon, and then has all of these clients
that she gets through Portland when she lives in North Carolina.
So it's really cool sometimes because this stuff can cosmically kind of play out without
it having to necessarily even be fully intentional.
It's almost just like getting to see how the universe is teaching you stuff.
It doesn't always have to necessarily demand action.
You know what I mean?
Right.
And I think that it's such a good point because I know for me and for some other people, there
always is that impending need for action in some way of how can I use this?
And I think that it has a lot of uses, but it's also just a good reflection tool of I've
even gone on trips and not looked at what lines were running through there and then
post trip and like a integration journaling phase then would look and see, okay, like
that actually brings a lot of context to my experience that it was a Saturn Venus crossover
there.
Yeah.
Love that.
Yeah.
And so I did no batting for a whole year and I actually wanted to get under so many lines
and see what would happen.
I was wanting to channel that energy while I was traveling and I just thought it was
so funny.
I went, Mars goes through California for me and in that, I got in a huge six hour debate
with one of my friend's husbands and it was just so funny to watch just it happen even
with the knowledge of it.
You still feel all this energy out of nowhere.
And yeah, it's my connection to my Jupiter line is endlessly crazy.
Like my meeting, my husband was living there and I met him.
I also dress, the feeling I get there is just so, yeah, I feel so trusting and such abundance
just in my actual energy.
So that has been such a positive line too.
And I wanted to share one other story that I don't think I've shared on the podcast.
That was so funny.
I'll get a kick out of it.
But I had, I do physical therapy.
So I work with a lot of patients and obviously I get very excited when some of my patients
are a little more in the spiritual world.
And I had a patient who was in her late seventies and she had been an astrologer and lived this
very like kind of spiritual life path and she told, she asked me one day, she's like,
have you heard of astro cartography?
And I was like, why, of course I have.
And she was like, well, let me tell you a story.
And I was like, I love a story.
And she shared that she had kind of been in this like marriage and just had this life
that was very repetitive and uninspiring.
She just didn't really feel like she was living her most like authentic truth, but didn't
really feel super inspired to change that.
And then she said that she just had like this hunch that was so loud that she needed to
travel to Ireland.
And this is before she had entered astrology or anything spiritual.
Her life was just not at that point yet.
And she said she entered this church in Ireland and she's like, and I got what I know now
was my first download.
She said I had just this flash through of all of these.
Like I had like a past life flashback, but then all of these realizations kind of just
hit me all at once.
And she said she divorced her husband, started changing her entire life path.
And then she ended up getting into astrology down the line.
And then once she found astro cartography, she checked that little place in Ireland and
she had like so many lines going through that place.
And she's like, it truly activated and changed everything for me.
So that's such an empowering story for how these lines can also help you remember and
get back to something that maybe your circumstances can be out of touch from, you know, being
able to experience.
Yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
That's yeah, it's very cool to hear stories like that.
Just to think that there's different places that could activate different things within
it.
I think there's something that feels so hopeful about that too.
And that, you know, if you haven't ever had an experience where you are, maybe you'll
have a completely different experience somewhere else.
Yeah.
For you personally, what would you say, like which lines have you traveled under and what
has been some of the takeaways now that you've kind of delved into this?
I think that I've been to every line at some point or another.
Love that.
Yeah.
I know some people, it just depends on how your chart is.
Some people end up with a lot of lines in the middle of the ocean.
And then other people have a lot of truly accessible lines.
I'm like past life and yeah, an underwater realm.
Got it.
Right.
Christutian maybe.
Yeah.
Love that.
But yeah, I think, you know, and we didn't mention it earlier, but I also am really
attracted to the Chiron line.
I don't know if you work with Chiron as well as the nodes.
Yeah, you want to share a little bit about that?
Yeah.
So I have specifically planned growth retreats, like solo growth retreats around my north
node.
And I feel like part of it is I'm going in with this expectation that that's what this
is for.
And I think that there's something beautiful about that.
And I think the other half of it is, is there's a true activation there.
It's something that like really has been awakened in me in the past that has been just completely
life shifting on those lines.
Yeah, love that.
Yeah.
So the north node is kind of our like purpose and what our soul is here to unpack versus
the south node can be like kind of pointing to our past reincarnations, past lives, other
energies that we've kind of worked with.
And north node is what we're working to in our birth chart.
So it's cool to get to go under a line that can maybe help piece some of that, the missing
links for your soul.
So I love that.
And that's a line I have not been under.
And then Chiron is like our wounds that is something that we kind of have to work on
befriending and yeah, I don't think I've been under my Chiron line.
Have you gotten to travel under that for your, for yourself?
Yeah.
So my Chiron line does go through New York City and that's really one of my favorite
places that I've ever been to.
And my first impression on seeing that line so close to there, I was unsure of how that
made sense because I thought, you know, I've only had really positive experiences there.
Yeah.
And my expectation was that the Chiron line would be triggering in some way.
But I think that on the flip side, I think it's just been really healing experiences.
Yeah.
I felt really at home with myself in like a very deep way and like Chiron bringing in
that manifestation of healing.
That's different from how I typically experience healing.
Yeah, I love that.
That's a really good positive take.
And I think that that's important.
Like even me mentioning my Saturn line is there can be lines that can, you know, I think
have more like negative reputation, but sometimes like, you know, too much good can also be
a lot too, you know?
So I think it's important because some of these lines can, yeah, once again, like help
with an energy that maybe you're not accessing.
So I love that take on Chiron too.
Yeah.
And that, you know, that goes, I think, as like an underlying astrological philosophy
is that there's no good or bad planets.
There's no good or bad places.
Everything, you know, presents novelty in some way or another.
And our experiences and relationships to the planets are ever changing and evolving.
Absolutely.
So well said.
So I have another technical question I'd love to hear from you is, you know, when you pull
up your astro cartography chart and you see like the ascendant line, so AC, DC, MC, IC,
can you share a little bit about how you just, you interpret that a little bit, or if you
put more emphasis on one thing versus the other?
Yeah, definitely.
I think that the, this is where it becomes so helpful to have a picture of your chart
in your mind when you're looking at the map and just an understanding of your own ascendant
and setting and IC, MC and the way that those operate.
But just generally the ascendant is the self, the body, your orientation in the world.
And this and that line is going to highlight you in some way.
The DC, the setting is the place where the sun dips beneath the horizon and there's something
of an energetic exchange there of the other person.
It deals with the seventh house.
So typically that's a more relational line about significant other people in the life.
And then with the MC, MC is the mid heaven.
It's the highest point in the sky, highest point in your chart.
And the MC highlights the way you're seen in the world as if you were on display.
So that sometimes brings in themes of career and how you're seen and networks of people
in that way.
And then with the IC, IC is the very bottom of your chart.
I think it's the most personal, the most private foundational.
And so sometimes it brings up themes of home and foundations and the very depths of you
in some way.
So that's generally how I see those.
I love that.
Your experiences with them.
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
I love that.
And yeah, it's cool because that Jupiter line for me, which went through Huntington where
my husband was living, that was my descendant line.
So the example is, you know, that it was a Jupiter DC line, so I'm getting all this like
luck and abundance, but it also points to relationships.
So it makes so much sense that my husband was there when we were talking and we were
pen pals for like six years.
And then getting to live under that line, it was, yeah, it was a whole different experience.
I was entering a world that was very different than my own, but still very, it was, yeah,
there was so many cool takeaways from that.
So yeah, that's just an example.
And I think it's so cool to kind of break that down.
And it's definitely where I think a reading can help because I think when you pull up,
if you've never seen your astro cartography chart, like it looks crazy to unpack, but
there is a whole little language in there.
But I think having someone kind of walk you through can be so helpful too.
So yeah, definitely.
And I think that I always start astro cartography readings with first looking at the birth chart
itself, because if you have a certain relationship with a planet in your chart, that really influences
the way you experience it on that line.
And my experience of, you know, maybe somebody who has Sun Jupiter in their chart has such
a different experience on their Sun line than someone that has Sun Saturn in their chart.
So it is nuanced.
And I think that the more you understand your chart itself, the more you understand the
map.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And yeah, give us what your big three is.
I always love hearing that with astrology too.
Yeah.
So I'm a Libra Sun, a Virgo rising, and a Taurus Moon.
I love that.
So yeah, any fun takeaways that you've noticed from your personal charts and then astro cartography?
Like any influence that you have felt?
Like, does any story about how that's been enhanced when you've traveled somewhere?
Yes, I have a very good example of that.
So specifically Denver, it is my Venus line.
And I think that this is like a classic example of how something can be extremely multifaceted.
So I did move here.
I did fall in love here on my Venus line.
I happen to have Venus and Scorpio in my chart.
And Scorpio, for those of you who aren't familiar, is a very dark energy, very intense energy.
It's Mars ruled.
And so my Venus operates in a very Scorpio way.
My boyfriend has six planets in Scorpio.
Wow, I love that.
Yeah, we started dating in Scorpio season and the list goes on and on.
But it's been an extremely Scorpionic experience here.
So even though, you know, in your mind, it might be like, oh, Venus, love and relationships.
It's like, well, where's your Venus?
Like, Moen Ten says it, because I would say that that has been Denver for me.
Venus also relates to sisters.
And my sister recently moved out here, which is fun and was unexpected.
But I feel like it's a good manifestation of Venus popping up.
And my Venus line also happens to run through Italy.
And I was there last year and my sister just happened to be in Europe at the same time
and came to Italy.
So it's kind of fun.
I'm like, wherever I go, if my Venus line is there, I know my sister will be there at
some point.
I love that.
Yeah.
But yeah, the Scorpio has been intense and I have made so many friends here.
And also, Scorpio being death and rebirth have lost friends here and experienced a lot
of the activation of that Venus and Scorpio in my chart.
And so it's definitely been multifaceted.
Yeah, you have faced your shadows, I guarantee.
So many shadows here.
Yes, meanwhile, I'm going to the gym a ton of times with my Saturn influence.
You're kind of evangelizing me towards a Saturn line.
It's really intense.
I'm like, you know, I need to remember life doesn't have to be so serious.
I really have to actively remind myself of that because it's really easy to fall into
a deep connection with my to-do list and just like, yes, yes, let's go.
But the hustle, that's not healthy all the time.
So I really have to pull back that influence and remember the version of you also that
had a lot of trouble with this, but also was very important.
We don't have to be on our A game all the time, Saturn.
But I feel that.
And where does Saturn fall on your chart?
So it's in Aquarius, but it's in my sixth house.
So obviously that kind of like amplifies kind of Virgo energy for me too.
I'm a Virgo rising and I have a Virgo Jupiter.
So it definitely enhances the intensity of that.
So it's an example.
But then I also have a Gemini stellium for Gemini placements, which just gives the thinking
is endless.
And you can get so distracted in like social stuff like I found in other lines, like living
under the Jupiter line.
For example, I can get so lost in social stuff that I can't even figure out where I start
and I'm having a blast, but there is like so little grounded.
So it's yeah, it's so interesting.
I have had like fears sometimes about like fully planting under my Saturn line for the
long haul, but me and my husband definitely like love to travel and venture out.
And I think it's a really good balance for me to kind of like travel more often when
I'm under a line that's kind of like putting a little bit more discipline in place.
You know?
Yeah, absolutely.
I love the idea of Saturn as a home base.
Yeah, my office of productivity.
Yeah.
Well, this is like so, so, so cool to hear more about.
And I would love to, yeah, I would love for you to share with our listeners just how they
can support you, how to find you and like what you even offer for readings.
Yeah.
So I do offer Ashok cartography readings as well as birth chart readings and Venus readings
and entrepreneur readings.
Any kind of reading you want.
If you don't see it on my site, just message me about it.
We'll invent it together.
I love giving readings and I do have an office at nurture and my Instagram is at Kronos astrology
with a K.
Awesome.
So cool.
And we will definitely put a picture up when this episode is out with the chart so you
guys can see kind of what it looks like.
And yeah, start to delve into this like deeper connection with the universe.
Another tool for your toolbox that I think can just, yeah, really lead to the deep trust
and connection that this spiritual journey is all about.
I love that.
Yeah.
Well, I so appreciate you coming on and talking this out with us.
Definitely go support Kate and we will see you next time.
Thank you.
Thanks, Jen.
Bye.