1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,160 Hello everyone and welcome to the Awaken Together podcast. 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:17,460 I am Jen and today it's going to be me and a very special guest, Kate Kettlecamp. 3 00:00:17,460 --> 00:00:22,920 And we are going to be unpacking a topic that we get asked about, I feel like all the time 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,620 on this podcast. 5 00:00:24,620 --> 00:00:32,680 So we are going to be discussing astro-cartography and Kate is an expert astrologer and focuses 6 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,760 in on astro-cartography. 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:41,120 She is also a PhD candidate for philosophy, cosmology, and consciousness. 8 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:42,120 So vibey. 9 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,680 Welcome, Kate. 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:46,680 Thank you, Jen. 11 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,760 Thanks so much for having me. 12 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:55,960 Oh my gosh, this is a subject matter that I have wanted to be able to pick someone's 13 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,960 brain on even deeper because it continuously blows my mind. 14 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:06,160 Astrology, I think as you know, as someone who is also an astrologer, it just continues 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:11,360 to like mystify and like deepen your trust in the universe, you know? 16 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,280 Yeah, I definitely agree with that. 17 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:23,440 I think that the synchronicities of seeing narrative in your life and correlations spark 18 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,560 a sense of wonder and excitement that is unparalleled. 19 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,560 Unparalleled. 20 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:35,120 It's every single time I do a chart reading, I feel like I'm even deeper, just like, oh 21 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,280 my gosh, this is so, so cool. 22 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,980 And we've done other episodes on astrology and we've kind of talked out, like, it's not 23 00:01:44,980 --> 00:01:49,560 even necessarily you have to believe in astrology or not. 24 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:55,400 It's simply its own kind of form of science of looking at these patterns and just way 25 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,460 things present and then how it kind of trickles over into the presentation of a person and 26 00:02:00,460 --> 00:02:02,200 how they live their life. 27 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,680 And it just endlessly amazes me. 28 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,760 Yeah, me too. 29 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:13,360 And I think that you really don't even need to believe in the reality of it to experience 30 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,360 the benefits of it. 31 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,360 So true. 32 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,360 So true. 33 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,360 Yeah. 34 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:25,320 And so astro-cardography, I want you to kind of talk that out with us and share just, yeah, 35 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,800 what it is and how you found that. 36 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:29,800 Yeah. 37 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:40,120 So astro-cardography, always, as soon as I came on my radar, I was immediately intrigued 38 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:48,760 because it was introduced to me as a way to find the best place to live, the best places 39 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,200 to travel. 40 00:02:51,200 --> 00:03:02,000 And I originally was extremely skeptical because it's your chart superimposed on a map and 41 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:09,640 based on the way that your chart would change as a relocated chart, all that to say just 42 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:13,280 that it could make any difference at all. 43 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,320 Things that you felt in a certain city was mind blowing to me. 44 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:26,600 But as I checked my own lines and found just amazing correlations, I started to really 45 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,520 believe in the power of astro-cardography. 46 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:36,120 And since then, working with other people, doing readings and hearing such amazing stories, 47 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:43,680 I fully come to believe in the correlations that we see with the map and the lines and 48 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:44,680 the charts. 49 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:45,680 Yes. 50 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:46,680 I came at it. 51 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:52,120 I want to share a little bit of how I found this, which I've shared on this podcast once 52 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,120 before. 53 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,040 But I, like you, was so skeptical. 54 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,800 I was like, okay, astrology is already amazing me and it's really cool. 55 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,120 But to say it has locations, I think we're stretching it a little bit. 56 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,120 There's no way. 57 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,280 This seems like a little bit of a stretch. 58 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,880 And then I was like, well, I'll look at my chart and just kind of see. 59 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:22,000 And immediately I had like goosebumps because I was so shocked that my husband's chart and 60 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,800 my chart, I had them both pulled up. 61 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,800 And my Venus line, Venus is the planet of love. 62 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:34,280 My Venus went right through New London, Connecticut, where my husband was born. 63 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:38,460 And his Venus line went right through Daytona Beach, where I was born. 64 00:04:38,460 --> 00:04:43,960 And then the other like wild thing just initially just knowing kind of the influences of the 65 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,160 planets. 66 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:50,880 Jupiter went right through Huntington, West Virginia, which is just such a, just a particular 67 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,640 spot to have the line going through. 68 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,280 And that is where my husband was living when I met him. 69 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:03,200 And it's just, I was like, okay, you have my attention, astro cartography. 70 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,240 So share, yeah, share some of what you saw in your own chart too. 71 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,000 I would love to hear. 72 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,800 I love that. 73 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:22,360 I feel like, especially when it comes to relationship, that feels like such a meant to be feeling. 74 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:27,840 And I, it's so funny that you had that experience because that was really the kicker for me 75 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:33,400 as well as I moved to Denver, which happens to be on my Venus line. 76 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,960 I met my boyfriend. 77 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,840 And then when I checked his chart, seeing that his ran through Illinois, which is where 78 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:41,840 I'm from. 79 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:42,840 Wow. 80 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:48,880 So that's always like a good little wink from the universe that like something bigger is 81 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:49,880 happening. 82 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:50,880 Absolutely. 83 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:58,580 But yeah, that's exactly why I think initially I was intrigued because I do feel like Denver 84 00:05:58,580 --> 00:06:05,140 has really embodied Venus in so many ways for me and the way that Venus operates in 85 00:06:05,140 --> 00:06:10,440 my chart, which has a broad range of manifestations. 86 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:15,840 I feel like I've felt a lot of those different manifestations here in Denver. 87 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:16,840 I love that. 88 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:22,940 I want to hear so much more of kind of like personal influence, but just for the listeners, 89 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:30,160 can you give us a little just the quickest summary of some of the lines like energy? 90 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:35,160 So just going through like some of the planets, just so if someone's pulling up their astro 91 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:41,680 cartography chart, which obviously a reading is highly encouraged here so that you can 92 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:42,680 unpack it. 93 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:48,760 But what are some of the like general influences you see most commonly with different lines? 94 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,720 Yeah, absolutely. 95 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,480 I think people, you know, everyone's always intrigued by Venus. 96 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,560 They want to live on their Venus line because some of the manifestations of Venus are love 97 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,480 and relationships. 98 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:07,200 And I have known people to go to their Venus line looking for love. 99 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:14,760 But Venus is also beauty and finances and more than just love and relationships. 100 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,120 But those are the main things that come up with the Venus line. 101 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:24,200 Sun line, sun is the ego, the essence, the self. 102 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:30,440 They say the sun line is good to travel to or live on if you want to tap into the self 103 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:39,080 and to who you are, maybe where you feel most like you can be yourself is the sun line. 104 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:45,120 The moon line in a similar but different way is more feminine energy. 105 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:51,800 It's home, it's the mother, sister, and the moon. 106 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,280 People say that line offers a lot of comfortability. 107 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:02,120 And so some people travel to their moon line for emotional experiences or for a feeling 108 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,640 of coming back home in some way. 109 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,760 Mars, Mars line is interesting. 110 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,360 Mars is drive, ambition, passion. 111 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:21,680 Mars line can be very activating in a range of ways from encouraging you in your drive 112 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:28,480 as well as sometimes people say the Mars line has brought up conflict or I knew someone 113 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:34,720 who lived on their Mars line for a year and went through a breakup and they really related 114 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:39,000 that to like some extreme conflict in their relationship. 115 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,880 So Mars is definitely multifaceted as all the planets are. 116 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:51,280 Mercury is the planet of communication and Mercury is a great line to live on for work 117 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,640 or to travel to. 118 00:08:52,640 --> 00:09:00,160 I had one of the lines that most convinced me that it was valid in my own experience 119 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:06,640 is Mercury because I have Mercury running straight through the town that my school is 120 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,560 in San Francisco. 121 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:15,760 And it's funny because my school is virtual and it's cool because you don't even have 122 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:22,040 to be on the line to be receiving the energy and the connection to that line's energy, 123 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,920 which I think is neat. 124 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:30,400 Same with relationships, like if you know someone who lives on your Venus line, that's 125 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,760 another way of interacting with that Venus energy. 126 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,720 So that's Mercury. 127 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,120 Which ones are we missing here? 128 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,160 Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto. 129 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:53,480 So working towards the outer planets, Jupiter is the luck line, as they call it. 130 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:59,520 People, that's one of the more favorable lines to live on. 131 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:08,360 And Jupiter is luck, abundance, positive experiences, faith and optimism. 132 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:14,760 Saturn is a line that people typically do not seek out, but Saturn is our challenges, 133 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,280 our karma, our lessons, our growth and maturation. 134 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,680 And I will say that I've had very positive experiences traveling to Saturn. 135 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:26,600 I don't think I've ever lived on Saturn. 136 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:27,600 So I guess- 137 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,120 Yeah, I'll say it while we're on it. 138 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,840 So Denver is my Saturn line. 139 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:39,560 And I think about this often because obviously I believe in the influences of these things 140 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:48,240 a lot because of how accurate it is for me finding my partner and just wild stuff. 141 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:54,280 But I will say for me, this is another thing where I think knowing your own personal chart 142 00:10:54,280 --> 00:11:02,560 can be so important because I have so much air in my chart and can be all over the place. 143 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:08,920 I just have very excitable energy, which can go a little unhinged, I think, at times. 144 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:15,840 So for me, Saturn, being here in Denver, I have gotten in the best shape of my life. 145 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,880 I have the most perfect routine. 146 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,040 That's like, I can't break it. 147 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,720 The energy it used to take to cultivate a routine was next level. 148 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,640 And here it's just so natural to stay in a workout routine, to go into stuff. 149 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,120 And it's funny because Saturn is in my house of health. 150 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,800 So it's just funny how it kind of connects and plays out. 151 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,560 But that line, they say, can age you really quickly. 152 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:47,120 And I can tell that I'm more rigid. 153 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:54,280 But in some ways, I so value that because it can be so unhinged, is the best word that's 154 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,920 coming to mind when I'm elsewhere. 155 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,880 I love that. 156 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,600 Yeah, thank you for sharing that. 157 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:06,080 I love to hear positive Saturn stories. 158 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,400 I do love Saturn. 159 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,640 I actually named my business after Saturn. 160 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,480 Kronos is Saturn. 161 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,080 So definitely here for positive Saturn. 162 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:21,440 Sometimes we need to be disciplined a little bit. 163 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,440 It's good. 164 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,640 That's true. 165 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:32,680 And I think that even in times that I've traveled to my Saturn line, I've had more serious experiences 166 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:33,680 there. 167 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:34,680 Yeah. 168 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:37,680 But very formative in that way. 169 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:38,680 Yeah. 170 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:39,680 A lot of growth. 171 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:40,680 Yeah. 172 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:44,800 And then for the three outer, like Pluto, Neptune, Uranus. 173 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:45,800 Yeah. 174 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,640 What are some of your takes on those? 175 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:57,880 So for, I'm curious what you would say about Uranus because I know that Uranus is a little 176 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,080 bit of a wild card. 177 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,080 Yeah. 178 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:07,400 I know people that have had really amazing experiences on Uranus line and also not the 179 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,200 best experiences. 180 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,920 Uranus is breakthrough, change, transformation. 181 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:23,000 I typically associate the planet with a feeling of erraticness and definitely Prometheus stealing 182 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:29,960 fire from the gods, having that energy of transformation and rebellion. 183 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:30,960 Yeah. 184 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:37,080 I have actually never been under that line for myself, but I definitely know some of 185 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,440 these outer planets. 186 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:44,400 It definitely, I think, matters how it hits in your chart, but I've also seen kind of 187 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,400 a mix. 188 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:52,280 I know Neptune line can be really dreamy, really enhanced kind of like that spiritual 189 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,280 essence, but can also make you so delusional. 190 00:13:55,280 --> 00:14:01,960 I have friends that have lived under their Neptune line, have these crazy dreams, feel 191 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:08,080 really ungrounded, but then some people can really need that energy to take different 192 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,080 steps. 193 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,840 Yeah, it's fascinating. 194 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:11,840 Exactly. 195 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:20,560 I always ask before an astro cartography of what energy are you looking for right now? 196 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,880 Because a lot of times people will be like, where should I go? 197 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,800 Where should I live? 198 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:32,960 You wish that it would be so simple as that to pick, but usually it's like you get a little 199 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,960 bit of a combo of lines. 200 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:41,440 It's activating different things in the chart and it does become complex very quickly how 201 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,240 things might affect you. 202 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:48,480 And then also with that original question of what do you want to embody right now? 203 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,000 What are you looking to tap into? 204 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,000 Right. 205 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Yeah. 206 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,920 So such a good point and it's so true. 207 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,560 And I go ahead and give us Pluto and then we can circle back because I have a few things 208 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:04,200 I want to say about what you shared too, but let's wrap up that other planet because Pluto 209 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,280 is also a kicker. 210 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:07,280 Yeah. 211 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:08,280 Yeah. 212 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,440 I have some weird affinity for Pluto. 213 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:18,200 So I'm always pro Pluto, but yeah, Pluto can be extremely intense rules, archetypes of 214 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:25,880 death and rebirth similar to what we think of when we think of Scorpio of really deep 215 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:31,600 subconscious subterranean themes can come up on that line. 216 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:32,600 Awesome. 217 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,600 Okay. 218 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,600 Yeah. 219 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,800 So I think I want to touch on the point that you said, because I think this is so important 220 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:46,840 to realize too that this doesn't always have to be a guide for necessarily moving. 221 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:54,880 It's definitely even considered a travel suggestion or places you can go to pick up extra energy. 222 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,880 But I loved what you said that you don't always even have to go there to be interacting with 223 00:15:58,880 --> 00:15:59,880 the line. 224 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:07,160 So an example of this is my sister, she is entrepreneur, has her own business and she 225 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:13,440 has her planet of luck going through Portland, Oregon, and then has all of these clients 226 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,840 that she gets through Portland when she lives in North Carolina. 227 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,560 So it's really cool sometimes because this stuff can cosmically kind of play out without 228 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,800 it having to necessarily even be fully intentional. 229 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,880 It's almost just like getting to see how the universe is teaching you stuff. 230 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,240 It doesn't always have to necessarily demand action. 231 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,240 You know what I mean? 232 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,440 Right. 233 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:45,360 And I think that it's such a good point because I know for me and for some other people, there 234 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:52,760 always is that impending need for action in some way of how can I use this? 235 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:59,840 And I think that it has a lot of uses, but it's also just a good reflection tool of I've 236 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:06,800 even gone on trips and not looked at what lines were running through there and then 237 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:14,280 post trip and like a integration journaling phase then would look and see, okay, like 238 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:21,000 that actually brings a lot of context to my experience that it was a Saturn Venus crossover 239 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,000 there. 240 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Yeah. 241 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Love that. 242 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Yeah. 243 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:32,280 And so I did no batting for a whole year and I actually wanted to get under so many lines 244 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,640 and see what would happen. 245 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,360 I was wanting to channel that energy while I was traveling and I just thought it was 246 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:39,360 so funny. 247 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:45,320 I went, Mars goes through California for me and in that, I got in a huge six hour debate 248 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:51,640 with one of my friend's husbands and it was just so funny to watch just it happen even 249 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,640 with the knowledge of it. 250 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,800 You still feel all this energy out of nowhere. 251 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:03,640 And yeah, it's my connection to my Jupiter line is endlessly crazy. 252 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,040 Like my meeting, my husband was living there and I met him. 253 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:16,300 I also dress, the feeling I get there is just so, yeah, I feel so trusting and such abundance 254 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:18,640 just in my actual energy. 255 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,120 So that has been such a positive line too. 256 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:26,160 And I wanted to share one other story that I don't think I've shared on the podcast. 257 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:27,160 That was so funny. 258 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,920 I'll get a kick out of it. 259 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,360 But I had, I do physical therapy. 260 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:35,440 So I work with a lot of patients and obviously I get very excited when some of my patients 261 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,580 are a little more in the spiritual world. 262 00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:45,440 And I had a patient who was in her late seventies and she had been an astrologer and lived this 263 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,640 very like kind of spiritual life path and she told, she asked me one day, she's like, 264 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,400 have you heard of astro cartography? 265 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,320 And I was like, why, of course I have. 266 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,360 And she was like, well, let me tell you a story. 267 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:58,960 And I was like, I love a story. 268 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,360 And she shared that she had kind of been in this like marriage and just had this life 269 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:07,200 that was very repetitive and uninspiring. 270 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,360 She just didn't really feel like she was living her most like authentic truth, but didn't 271 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:15,040 really feel super inspired to change that. 272 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,320 And then she said that she just had like this hunch that was so loud that she needed to 273 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,840 travel to Ireland. 274 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,640 And this is before she had entered astrology or anything spiritual. 275 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,320 Her life was just not at that point yet. 276 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:34,760 And she said she entered this church in Ireland and she's like, and I got what I know now 277 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,320 was my first download. 278 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:41,800 She said I had just this flash through of all of these. 279 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:47,600 Like I had like a past life flashback, but then all of these realizations kind of just 280 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,000 hit me all at once. 281 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:55,040 And she said she divorced her husband, started changing her entire life path. 282 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,240 And then she ended up getting into astrology down the line. 283 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,680 And then once she found astro cartography, she checked that little place in Ireland and 284 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:07,000 she had like so many lines going through that place. 285 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,560 And she's like, it truly activated and changed everything for me. 286 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:18,000 So that's such an empowering story for how these lines can also help you remember and 287 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:24,480 get back to something that maybe your circumstances can be out of touch from, you know, being 288 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,080 able to experience. 289 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,080 Yes. 290 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,080 Yeah, absolutely. 291 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:35,040 That's yeah, it's very cool to hear stories like that. 292 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:42,440 Just to think that there's different places that could activate different things within 293 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:43,440 it. 294 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,880 I think there's something that feels so hopeful about that too. 295 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:53,040 And that, you know, if you haven't ever had an experience where you are, maybe you'll 296 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,320 have a completely different experience somewhere else. 297 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,320 Yeah. 298 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,320 Yeah. 299 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,680 For you personally, what would you say, like which lines have you traveled under and what 300 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:09,840 has been some of the takeaways now that you've kind of delved into this? 301 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,720 I think that I've been to every line at some point or another. 302 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:15,720 Love that. 303 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:16,720 Yeah. 304 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,160 I know some people, it just depends on how your chart is. 305 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:25,760 Some people end up with a lot of lines in the middle of the ocean. 306 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,280 And then other people have a lot of truly accessible lines. 307 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:34,560 I'm like past life and yeah, an underwater realm. 308 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,560 Got it. 309 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:36,560 Right. 310 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,560 Christutian maybe. 311 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:38,560 Yeah. 312 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:39,560 Love that. 313 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:48,800 But yeah, I think, you know, and we didn't mention it earlier, but I also am really 314 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,880 attracted to the Chiron line. 315 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:57,960 I don't know if you work with Chiron as well as the nodes. 316 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,120 Yeah, you want to share a little bit about that? 317 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:02,120 Yeah. 318 00:22:02,120 --> 00:22:13,080 So I have specifically planned growth retreats, like solo growth retreats around my north 319 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,080 node. 320 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:21,040 And I feel like part of it is I'm going in with this expectation that that's what this 321 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,040 is for. 322 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,120 And I think that there's something beautiful about that. 323 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:30,200 And I think the other half of it is, is there's a true activation there. 324 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:37,640 It's something that like really has been awakened in me in the past that has been just completely 325 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,240 life shifting on those lines. 326 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,800 Yeah, love that. 327 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:44,800 Yeah. 328 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:50,600 So the north node is kind of our like purpose and what our soul is here to unpack versus 329 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:56,720 the south node can be like kind of pointing to our past reincarnations, past lives, other 330 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,240 energies that we've kind of worked with. 331 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,180 And north node is what we're working to in our birth chart. 332 00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:08,320 So it's cool to get to go under a line that can maybe help piece some of that, the missing 333 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,720 links for your soul. 334 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:10,720 So I love that. 335 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,360 And that's a line I have not been under. 336 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:18,300 And then Chiron is like our wounds that is something that we kind of have to work on 337 00:23:18,300 --> 00:23:22,920 befriending and yeah, I don't think I've been under my Chiron line. 338 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,120 Have you gotten to travel under that for your, for yourself? 339 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:27,120 Yeah. 340 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:36,800 So my Chiron line does go through New York City and that's really one of my favorite 341 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,800 places that I've ever been to. 342 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:49,720 And my first impression on seeing that line so close to there, I was unsure of how that 343 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:56,160 made sense because I thought, you know, I've only had really positive experiences there. 344 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,160 Yeah. 345 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:02,480 And my expectation was that the Chiron line would be triggering in some way. 346 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:08,840 But I think that on the flip side, I think it's just been really healing experiences. 347 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,840 Yeah. 348 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:16,280 I felt really at home with myself in like a very deep way and like Chiron bringing in 349 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,480 that manifestation of healing. 350 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,080 That's different from how I typically experience healing. 351 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,720 Yeah, I love that. 352 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,200 That's a really good positive take. 353 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,240 And I think that that's important. 354 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:35,520 Like even me mentioning my Saturn line is there can be lines that can, you know, I think 355 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:44,320 have more like negative reputation, but sometimes like, you know, too much good can also be 356 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,920 a lot too, you know? 357 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,440 So I think it's important because some of these lines can, yeah, once again, like help 358 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,920 with an energy that maybe you're not accessing. 359 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,560 So I love that take on Chiron too. 360 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,560 Yeah. 361 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:03,480 And that, you know, that goes, I think, as like an underlying astrological philosophy 362 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,440 is that there's no good or bad planets. 363 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,520 There's no good or bad places. 364 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:16,040 Everything, you know, presents novelty in some way or another. 365 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:23,120 And our experiences and relationships to the planets are ever changing and evolving. 366 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,680 Absolutely. 367 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,280 So well said. 368 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:32,520 So I have another technical question I'd love to hear from you is, you know, when you pull 369 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:39,960 up your astro cartography chart and you see like the ascendant line, so AC, DC, MC, IC, 370 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:45,160 can you share a little bit about how you just, you interpret that a little bit, or if you 371 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,360 put more emphasis on one thing versus the other? 372 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,440 Yeah, definitely. 373 00:25:50,440 --> 00:26:00,440 I think that the, this is where it becomes so helpful to have a picture of your chart 374 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:07,560 in your mind when you're looking at the map and just an understanding of your own ascendant 375 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,640 and setting and IC, MC and the way that those operate. 376 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:20,360 But just generally the ascendant is the self, the body, your orientation in the world. 377 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:25,920 And this and that line is going to highlight you in some way. 378 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:34,160 The DC, the setting is the place where the sun dips beneath the horizon and there's something 379 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,080 of an energetic exchange there of the other person. 380 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,400 It deals with the seventh house. 381 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:47,400 So typically that's a more relational line about significant other people in the life. 382 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,840 And then with the MC, MC is the mid heaven. 383 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:56,400 It's the highest point in the sky, highest point in your chart. 384 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:01,680 And the MC highlights the way you're seen in the world as if you were on display. 385 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:07,840 So that sometimes brings in themes of career and how you're seen and networks of people 386 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,840 in that way. 387 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,280 And then with the IC, IC is the very bottom of your chart. 388 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,680 I think it's the most personal, the most private foundational. 389 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,920 And so sometimes it brings up themes of home and foundations and the very depths of you 390 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:23,920 in some way. 391 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,840 So that's generally how I see those. 392 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,040 I love that. 393 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,800 Your experiences with them. 394 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,800 Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. 395 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:33,800 I love that. 396 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,720 And yeah, it's cool because that Jupiter line for me, which went through Huntington where 397 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,480 my husband was living, that was my descendant line. 398 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:47,320 So the example is, you know, that it was a Jupiter DC line, so I'm getting all this like 399 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,400 luck and abundance, but it also points to relationships. 400 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,680 So it makes so much sense that my husband was there when we were talking and we were 401 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,080 pen pals for like six years. 402 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:02,040 And then getting to live under that line, it was, yeah, it was a whole different experience. 403 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,840 I was entering a world that was very different than my own, but still very, it was, yeah, 404 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,880 there was so many cool takeaways from that. 405 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,080 So yeah, that's just an example. 406 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,520 And I think it's so cool to kind of break that down. 407 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,760 And it's definitely where I think a reading can help because I think when you pull up, 408 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:27,000 if you've never seen your astro cartography chart, like it looks crazy to unpack, but 409 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000 there is a whole little language in there. 410 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,280 But I think having someone kind of walk you through can be so helpful too. 411 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,280 So yeah, definitely. 412 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:43,360 And I think that I always start astro cartography readings with first looking at the birth chart 413 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:53,020 itself, because if you have a certain relationship with a planet in your chart, that really influences 414 00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:55,760 the way you experience it on that line. 415 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:02,880 And my experience of, you know, maybe somebody who has Sun Jupiter in their chart has such 416 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:09,560 a different experience on their Sun line than someone that has Sun Saturn in their chart. 417 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,880 So it is nuanced. 418 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,480 And I think that the more you understand your chart itself, the more you understand the 419 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,480 map. 420 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,600 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 421 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,960 And yeah, give us what your big three is. 422 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,160 I always love hearing that with astrology too. 423 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,160 Yeah. 424 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:33,440 So I'm a Libra Sun, a Virgo rising, and a Taurus Moon. 425 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,800 I love that. 426 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:42,720 So yeah, any fun takeaways that you've noticed from your personal charts and then astro cartography? 427 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,360 Like any influence that you have felt? 428 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,280 Like, does any story about how that's been enhanced when you've traveled somewhere? 429 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,640 Yes, I have a very good example of that. 430 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,040 So specifically Denver, it is my Venus line. 431 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:05,320 And I think that this is like a classic example of how something can be extremely multifaceted. 432 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,680 So I did move here. 433 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,360 I did fall in love here on my Venus line. 434 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,080 I happen to have Venus and Scorpio in my chart. 435 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:21,180 And Scorpio, for those of you who aren't familiar, is a very dark energy, very intense energy. 436 00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:22,960 It's Mars ruled. 437 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,960 And so my Venus operates in a very Scorpio way. 438 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,440 My boyfriend has six planets in Scorpio. 439 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,520 Wow, I love that. 440 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:37,240 Yeah, we started dating in Scorpio season and the list goes on and on. 441 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,160 But it's been an extremely Scorpionic experience here. 442 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:47,240 So even though, you know, in your mind, it might be like, oh, Venus, love and relationships. 443 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,800 It's like, well, where's your Venus? 444 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:55,040 Like, Moen Ten says it, because I would say that that has been Denver for me. 445 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,240 Venus also relates to sisters. 446 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:04,840 And my sister recently moved out here, which is fun and was unexpected. 447 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:11,280 But I feel like it's a good manifestation of Venus popping up. 448 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,320 And my Venus line also happens to run through Italy. 449 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,880 And I was there last year and my sister just happened to be in Europe at the same time 450 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,320 and came to Italy. 451 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,440 So it's kind of fun. 452 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,400 I'm like, wherever I go, if my Venus line is there, I know my sister will be there at 453 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,400 some point. 454 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,400 I love that. 455 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,400 Yeah. 456 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:40,240 But yeah, the Scorpio has been intense and I have made so many friends here. 457 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:47,400 And also, Scorpio being death and rebirth have lost friends here and experienced a lot 458 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:53,760 of the activation of that Venus and Scorpio in my chart. 459 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,080 And so it's definitely been multifaceted. 460 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,080 Yeah, you have faced your shadows, I guarantee. 461 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,160 So many shadows here. 462 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:10,720 Yes, meanwhile, I'm going to the gym a ton of times with my Saturn influence. 463 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,640 You're kind of evangelizing me towards a Saturn line. 464 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,640 It's really intense. 465 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,680 I'm like, you know, I need to remember life doesn't have to be so serious. 466 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:28,640 I really have to actively remind myself of that because it's really easy to fall into 467 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,040 a deep connection with my to-do list and just like, yes, yes, let's go. 468 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,080 But the hustle, that's not healthy all the time. 469 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:44,240 So I really have to pull back that influence and remember the version of you also that 470 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,680 had a lot of trouble with this, but also was very important. 471 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,280 We don't have to be on our A game all the time, Saturn. 472 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,400 But I feel that. 473 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,640 And where does Saturn fall on your chart? 474 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,480 So it's in Aquarius, but it's in my sixth house. 475 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,320 So obviously that kind of like amplifies kind of Virgo energy for me too. 476 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,520 I'm a Virgo rising and I have a Virgo Jupiter. 477 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,260 So it definitely enhances the intensity of that. 478 00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:15,800 So it's an example. 479 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:22,000 But then I also have a Gemini stellium for Gemini placements, which just gives the thinking 480 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,000 is endless. 481 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,760 And you can get so distracted in like social stuff like I found in other lines, like living 482 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,580 under the Jupiter line. 483 00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:37,120 For example, I can get so lost in social stuff that I can't even figure out where I start 484 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:43,800 and I'm having a blast, but there is like so little grounded. 485 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,760 So it's yeah, it's so interesting. 486 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:52,160 I have had like fears sometimes about like fully planting under my Saturn line for the 487 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,960 long haul, but me and my husband definitely like love to travel and venture out. 488 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:01,800 And I think it's a really good balance for me to kind of like travel more often when 489 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,840 I'm under a line that's kind of like putting a little bit more discipline in place. 490 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:07,840 You know? 491 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,840 Yeah, absolutely. 492 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,320 I love the idea of Saturn as a home base. 493 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,360 Yeah, my office of productivity. 494 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,360 Yeah. 495 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:25,200 Well, this is like so, so, so cool to hear more about. 496 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,560 And I would love to, yeah, I would love for you to share with our listeners just how they 497 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,800 can support you, how to find you and like what you even offer for readings. 498 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,800 Yeah. 499 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:46,520 So I do offer Ashok cartography readings as well as birth chart readings and Venus readings 500 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,640 and entrepreneur readings. 501 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:49,760 Any kind of reading you want. 502 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,680 If you don't see it on my site, just message me about it. 503 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,920 We'll invent it together. 504 00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:05,520 I love giving readings and I do have an office at nurture and my Instagram is at Kronos astrology 505 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,520 with a K. 506 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,520 Awesome. 507 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,520 So cool. 508 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:15,480 And we will definitely put a picture up when this episode is out with the chart so you 509 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,480 guys can see kind of what it looks like. 510 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,120 And yeah, start to delve into this like deeper connection with the universe. 511 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:29,640 Another tool for your toolbox that I think can just, yeah, really lead to the deep trust 512 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,440 and connection that this spiritual journey is all about. 513 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:35,440 I love that. 514 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,440 Yeah. 515 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,200 Well, I so appreciate you coming on and talking this out with us. 516 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:47,040 Definitely go support Kate and we will see you next time. 517 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,040 Thank you. 518 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,040 Thanks, Jen. 519 00:35:49,040 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