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చాకికాకికికాకి. I am actually born in Mauritius and I learned southeast of Madagascar.
కికికికికికి. Now I am based in Canada, it's been 10 years since I am there.
కాకికికికికికి. I started my career in the nuclear industry and basically I started to get involved in public advocacy about nuclear because when I was back home in Mauritius I never knew much about nuclear energy
కికికికికి. The impact it has on solving climate change and it can be part of the solution and that's why I decided to join basically an advocacy group called North American Young Generation in Nuclear.
కికికికికికి. We are now the president of a local chapter in Ontario where we go to a lot of universities, high schools to explain people about climate change and how nuclear can play a part in it.
కికికికికి. This year I took a step further and wanted to get involved with Nuclear for Climate where I was part of the delivery team, putting together the program, the volunteers for COP 27.
కికికికికి. This is my first COP and it's been going great. I can imagine the impact it had on people speaking to different types of groups, for example climate activists, policy makers or even head of states where we get to explain the world nuclear hasn't it.
కికికికికి. I'm going to come to that aspect of the people you like interacted with including the head of states, President Biden. But before that you talked about coming from Mauritius.
కికికికికికి. My knowledge of Mauritius is like a tourist destination, right? If you just go and relax and enjoy the money and how you kind of picked interest in nuclear and its impact on climate.
కికికికికి. I can have wonder like how do you think this translates to your community like okay maybe someday sometime maybe maybe when you get old you might want to go back to your roots or your community where you come from.
కికికికికి. I'm kind of wondering is it any take home and like is there going to be any kind of ripple effect this is going to have in your community back home when you come back and maybe do you have any plan maybe that you have maybe to have maybe a
కికికికికి. You are doing wonderfully well like being the president of a local chapter of not American young generation in nuclear so you go about doing out reaches and stuff like that. I'm very sure you do a lot of things to sensitize people about the benefits of nuclear.
కికికికికి. I'm wondering like well how is going to like your involvement going to impact the community back home you know being part of Africa am I right.
కికికికికి. For sure yes I love my Alan Mauritius and when you look at climate change it's not specific to a country it's a global issue that you are facing today so what's happening in one country affects other countries so we've seen a lot happening.
కికికికికి. In 2022 with for example the flooding in Pakistan extreme drought in some African countries the heat wave in Europe or even the wildfires in North America so all countries are being impacted and my my island Mauritius is no different when you think about it Mauritius as a small island development state so it's in the
కికికికి. Middle of the ocean in the Indian Ocean and we all know global warming climate change what causes as sea level rise so the impact will have on fishing on coral reefs or even like warmer temperatures what that can have and we've all seen in the IPCC reports that shows different impacts that.
కికికికికి. In the Netherlands for example the model scenarios at 1.5 degrees C 2 degrees C 3 degrees C what that can have on inland lives on also ocean lives and ocean lives is very impacted maybe more impacted because.
కికికికికికి. A small degree change can change coral reef and what that affects is people there the tourism industry Mauritius is big on tourism industry and and so basically what I do even if I'm in Canada like advocating for nuclear as a low carbon energy and a clean energy alongside solar and wind to complement those two renewable.
కికికికికి. I will have a huge impact because when you think about what's happening with how much coal is produced from electricity so for example right now fossil fuels is responsible for 63% of the global energy production and nuclear is only 10% and with the air pollution that's happening today it's being estimated 67 million people die consequently.
కికికికికి. So if you replace these dirty polluting sources with clean sources such as nuclear to complement when and so on means that.
కికికికికి. You are solving a big part of the climate change problem.
కికికికికి. That's very correct and it's good it goes to confirm the fact that a lot of people actually knows the right solution but they tend to kind of follow the money and we had the like the most economic gain comes from I take example of the US.
కికికికికి. The economic reasons why they shot down the reactors in some places was because it was like no more kind of viable to keep them running not because of the safety or anything or because they cannot run any further but mainly because of economics you know so because the shale gas was now more like economically like more viable like to explore the shale gas and stuff like that so this brings me to the point.
కికికికి. This brings me to the question of the coming of some very important leaders to come to the seven which is the coming of president Biden of US and you were very privileged to be in the group where he was.
కికికికికి. Can you like first maybe just explain to us how the scenario and the feeling was in the first place you know being in the group where the president is you know for me I will like have some like kind of euphoric feeling you know so how are you able to like like continue yourself in the first place before we delve into the details of the conversation in that group.
కికికికికి. First of all it's a privilege enough to be at COP 27 we were just briefing our nuclear for climate team and we were saying only 30,000 people out of 7 billion people can come to COP which is 0.0004% so I already feel privileged enough and now I had this amazing opportunity even the second day I was able to go to the plenary session where.
కికికికికి. Each country leaders were giving their national statement and watch about 25 of them making their national petures to in their country to solve climate change and then the first day of the first week of COP got this amazing opportunity to go and see a special address by the United States president Biden.
కికికికికి. First of all coming from Mauritius again that you've always seen president speeches on TV so going there was something I never imagine I would be going.
కికికికికి. I feel happy that I was there I listened to him he made some good pledges in terms of financial commitment in terms of collaboration with African countries including Egypt.
కికికికికి. He spoke about his national policies in energy in terms of the inflation reduction act that he made so happy to be there and again as you said quite a pleasure which I would never imagine.
కికికికికి. Very fantastic I mean like that euphoric moment when you get to meet with the I mean like the world leaders and sometimes you just forget about what's the right thing the reason why you were there and but thanks to your being able to be composed to get the real facts so this brings me to the question of his statements during this meeting like a lot of things he said but about about Africa like the
కికికికికి. Funds that were released like a promise kind of and this money will come to Africa I don't know the figures you are going to tell us so can you like give us a breakdown like an overview of like the capture of the kind of maybe declarations he made that bothers in Africa and how it's wants to like hopes to decarbonize the African energy mix and to us reaching the
కికికికికి. Net Zero Gold and also the energy transition plants and all that can you like give us like those figures like they were given and then perhaps like get a picture or a view from you on how you think.
కికికికికి. The African leaders or the the donors of this money can get the best banks for their box I mean like in this regard.
కికికికికి. Sure yeah happy to share that and two things I take away from his speech concerning collaboration with Africa first he spoke a lot about methane reduction so 50% methane being another greenhouse gas having more warming power than carbon dioxide than CO2 and basically he spoke about an alliance of 130 countries which will come to the
కికికికికి. To reduce methane by 30% based on the 2005 levels I believe so that's a big thing that includes African countries as well because short term specially because methane is more shortly than CO2 that will go a long way.
కికికికికి. Second thing I heard from his statement as collaboration with Egypt and I believe a $500 million package alongside Germany who will be helping Egypt I 10 gigawatts of renewables to their grid and phase out 5 gigawatts of fossil.
కికికికికి. That's a big one and then yeah I spoke a lot about the US committing to helping countries get to that $100 billion goal by 2024 he said US won't shy away from that so that's a big statement so of course it's important because even you speaking of Africa or even Mauritius some of these countries there
కికికికికి. Their carbon emission is percentage wise is very low but the impact may be more to them so it's important that countries that can provide the support provide the support because it's a global problem so we can't work in silos countries can't say okay I'll look for myself other countries will look for themselves because some countries in Africa and I've spoken to a lot of
కికికికికి. of activists of people especially in Africa who come send to us in our booth and say yeah we have global warming but at the same time for us it's energy access for all in some countries have less than 60% of the people having access to energy matter someone from Peru who even said yeah and in her community like sometimes there's still no lights at certain time
కికికికికి. So we need to use that money to help people because that's one of the goal of the UN right the sustainable development goal seven like clean affordable energy access for all and that's really important.
కికికికికికి. This is a very wonderful declaration by the president of the United States of America President Biden and this kind of funds or package are not coming for the first time and but the challenge is how they are being utilized by the leaders.
కికికికికి. So I kind of got a tip of how best in the previous episode I had with Professor Wei Gen Lee from University of Texas.
కికికికికి. He kind of gave a very good model of how best to use this funds or might maybe get the best results and that's kind of a kind of ownership look model or a localization model where you get the private investors where people do it as business like okay you want to get this money from us so yes we are going to give it to you but how do you hope to own this like.
కికికికికి. Do it as a business like okay you are offering energy as a service not just like giving it free of charge to the people who need them the most but having a way of them paying for it even if it is in a very small way but that way they are able to own it and say okay yes this is ours then we are going to manage it when it goes bad we will make efforts to fix it and all that so.
కికికికికి. When it comes to nuclear technology the scenario is a little bit different you know it's not what individuals like a community can say okay but I hope that the community the nuclear community can find a way that there will be like a kind of very close feeling like people will want to personally contribute to a maybe nuclear power plant in their community and maybe have a sense of ownership.
కికికికికి. Because in some cities I understand in the US where one of the nuclear power plants was closed like I think it should be the Indian point one where the community used to have the $6 million benefit for the nuclear power plants being in the community so now about half of that has been cut off by the closure of that plant so the municipality has to be able to do it.
కికికికికి. The municipality has to seek for how to replace this shortfall as a result of the close which means there is a kind of ownership the local jobs that the presence of the nuclear power plant provides seem to be like removed when there is a closure and stuff like that so there is an ownership already there is already kind of a process that the local people already benefiting from it.
కికికికి. So this brings me to kind of this last aspect of this kind of session with you. You have been in COP since the beginning and you have been like up and doing like working with a team of international people.
కికికికికి. Can you like maybe tell me maybe the challenges, the benefits and like what are the feelings and also the lessons you have learned so far from the interactions you've had from people from different climes you know so and how that impacts maybe your career and also your being in industry going forward.
కికికికి. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great experience again. It's a I'm used to going to nuclear conferences so this was my probably my first non nuclear conference that I went so when you go to nuclear conferences you speaking with people in your bubble right but now you speaking to people not in your bubble so if you speak to 10 people in a nuclear conference sorry if you speak to the one people in a non nuclear conference
కికికికికి. Like COP that's equivalent to speaking to about 10 15 people in a nuclear conference because the impact you having your you telling them stuff they didn't know which they can bring back to bring back to the organization and community so this is so much more effective but yeah speaking to hundreds of people over the two weeks have been great different regions different cultures different
కికికికికి. Some were challenge some conversation yeah challenging didn't agree but we are all there for the same reason right we're all that you talk about how we can collaborate and for the climate we are all there for the climate and different conversation yeah and for example I can tell you some people came in with even climate activists.
కికికికికికికికికి. Some people just came in and said yeah they still don't agree even though the science said it scientists who have been peer reviewed reports have been bettered with countless years of research they say no and some people come in they say they have for example just to give you an example there was a lady who came in with a nuclear
కికికికికికికి. She said she agrees nuclear is a great way of energy but she said she live close to Fukushima so that's traumatic for her right so how can she support nuclear even though she knows that it's a clean of energy so it's like hearing those different perspective which have never have that reach before yes going to schools you know we have no idea what they are doing.
కికికికికికికికికికి. Everyone guess for the climate but some people it's great speaking and having the different perspective hearing the two sides of the table and one thing I can tell you like most people with fears or who are against it's common like the one thing they speak about as the waste what are we doing.
కికికికికికికికికికి. And the second thing is as equally as always is like the safety is it safe and right and so that's why we do nuclear for climate has a great set of volunteers to explain.
కికికికికికికికికికికి. All that right kind of the education to be said to be honest I don't blame these people asking fair questions because I was asking the same question back then.
కికికికికికికికికి. So that's why we are here and that's why we've had a presence since COP 21 and it's been the team has been growing growing going the impact has been growing and yeah the nuclear for climate great organization to be involved with.
కికికికికికికికికి. It's fantastic. Vicious�ికికికికికికి. It's been an amazing time with you and your contributions to the nuclear for climate community and the delivery team has been unequaled. You've been almost like ubiquutiles like you will find you anywhere.
కికికికికికికికికి. Like I mean in addition to what you said about the people coming to understand the benefits of nuclear like in one of those occasions in the mini when I was in the mini booth one man who claimed that he was in the nuclear.
కికికికికికికి. He said he is an environmentalist came only know actually that oh I have this inner sensitive feeling that nuclear is really a good shot to helping meeting the climate action goals and all that but.
కికికికికికికికి. And for that I made an illustration of a proverb an African proverb kind of like when a mother goat is eating and the little goat is beside it.
కికికికికికి. And when it's the time for the little goat to eat it tends to eat more than the mother goat and not maybe filter out what not to eat and what to eat.
కికికికికికికి. So the case of this man coming to own up is like a mother goat who knows the real deal you know so and as for him to come out and say it openly to the nuclear community means that a lot of people who are kind of environmentalist understands the benefits of nuclear and its position to helping meet that decarbonisation goal.
కికికికికి. But because of the larger and maybe some people that shout the most maybe they tend to go quiet and that's the very important thing why we the nuclear community need to be here to give that needed voice so that the people can also be both who understand why we stand and the benefits the war stands to benefit to get from nuclear.
కికికికికి. So it's been a very amazing time with you vicious I wonder if you have any last words or sentence or phrase for the listeners to this episode or to the podcast in general like following the COP 27 in Chamele Sheik and also for the nuclear community if you have any last sentence or words you want people to vote on too.
కికికికికి. And we are here like we we are lucky enough to be at COP but my call to action to every one of you is real all like climate change is real so see what you can do in your community in terms of advocacy in terms of being involved in terms of action doesn't have to be nuclear but see what you can do and it's amazing the is this is real this is real and believe me I didn't know the impact so I will go to the next one.
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