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that's right

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and since you've been so much in the nuclear community and involved with a whole range and

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spectrum of interests, I wonder like are you very much into the African young generation in nuclear,

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can you tell us a little bit about them, I understand from when we met in 2016, I remember

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you mutated the idea of having the African group among the young people that are interested in nuclear

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and in subsequent meetings we saw how we pushed for that idea to become reality and that's the

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African young generation we have today and I would say that you are very much instrumental to

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this reality and kudos to you for that, a round of applause, oh yeah that's the case so

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please can you tell us like since you are the advisor of Ayg and where is where is he headed today

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and do you think that there is hope with this kind of network of people and do you think it has

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any useful contribution to the nuclear future in Africa, yeah well first of all let me make a

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correction there it wasn't 2016 it was 2014, oh yeah thank you 2014 yeah it was 2016 that it um yeah yeah yeah

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it took off in 2016 thanks for that correction, yeah but it was in 2014 we met in Burgos and

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we just happened to be you know we were there representing our individual local professional

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societies from wherever we were and I think you were in South Korea at the time right, yes yes yes

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I was coming from the US of course and I was also part of the IYNC organizing group at the time

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but I mean to answer your question you know at the end of the day you know you got to start from

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somewhere if you remember you just re-jug your memory you know we're all sitting in a conference room

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and everybody every continent was being called the other North American young generation nuclear

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blah blah blah the Asian you know young generation blah blah blah the European you know nuclear network

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blah blah blah so everybody was being represented and it just happens to be myself you um uh what's

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his what's her name Jelani, Pamela uh uh uh what's her name again um um and few other people

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I think was six it was six of us I believe Phylesi, Phylesi I think you were yeah Phylesili

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Phylesili that's right Phylesili and the other sister from South Africa Imbella Imbella I always

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forget I always tend to say her name off but anyway the long story short you know we looked at each other

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and like everybody's being represented in Africa what can we do about it and we after the conference

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we started having discussions you know developing the idea and then 2016 of course um it took off

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after we had a lot more representatives from Africa at the IYNC conference again in China

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yeah we had like GP came on board at that time you know and a few other people

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he was at that conference too and all of them now are the leaders of this organization so I see

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all that to say you know um and this is what you know the kind of uh I would say the vision of

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what I was hoping this organization would would would be he's a collective effort of Africans living

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in Africa working in Africa going to school in Africa leading the organization um um and I'll

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be honest I'll be totally honest with you that um the leadership that we have since then um have been

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amazing GP's leadership princess uh who came on board later on who's our communication channel

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Evelyn vice president you know GP the president um you know all of them have have you know take this

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idea which was an idea and make it very practical and now we have created um uh a pool I would say

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or pool wherein you know Africans living in the continent that want to go into nuclear science

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and technology you know they can use this tool they would they don't have to reinvent again the tool

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or use this tool which is already there um and that's really really our goal if you go to our

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AfricanYGN.org um you will see the our mission is to empower empower Africans in nuclear science

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and technology and see how we can take this mission of in of of help in the socio-economic

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issues we have in our country through um promoting peaceful uses of nuclear science and technology

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and he has he has so many different users in the industry I come from the energy industry so I can

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talk more about the energy in the industry but there are so many other uses in nuclear science

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and technology so um to answer your question the african young generation nuclear the leadership

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has been immense and I just can't wait to see what this organization will do in the future

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that's awesome because I believe honestly as I continue to be the advisor for the group

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um just giving them my experience that I've had I haven't been part of the global

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nuclear industry here in the united states uh with the african young with the north american

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young generation nuclear and having worked at a nuclear power plant itself for about 14 years

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myself so using all that experience and just trying to give back to the continent man you know

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that's what I'm that's really actually what what I really really the message I wanna I want to

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express is giving back to the continent um having the continent has given me a foundation

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that I've built on since I moved to the united states 20 plus seconds ago done awesome like with

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that alone I think the future is very much guaranteed for you and I think posterity will

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never forget you for this great great great effort which you have done and um I see as time keeps

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going on and development keeps happening and events keeps turning out in Africa the the main

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factor the main thing that is affecting the development and deployment of nuclear is is

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not because of anything but mainly leadership and I believe that with the right people in in the

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right place they will be able to get this dream to reality so I want to ask would you do you have

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any kind of explanation to the kind of activities you you by engaging you said that you worked in

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the nuclear power plant so can you have give us a kind of overview of maybe your daily routine and

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you worked as an operator right did you no no actually I'm an engineer okay okay okay okay so you

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you are a design engineer with systems in here kind of so I don't know like what we are the like

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kind of things that you do it's a while on the job like is it something that somebody

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who gets trained for a short time can do or you need a specialized maybe need to do have a line

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of course that you did maybe from the graduate because the other time I was talking with Emilia

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Yannis from European Nuclear Society she is just a communications person but she she got

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nuclearized through training over the 10 years she was in the industry so I wouldn't know like what

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we are the things that equip you to function optimally in this position in the nuclear reaction

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environment a nuclear power plant environment very good question the misconception is you have

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to be a nuclear engineer or nuclear science is to be working in the nuclear industry but the beauty of

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of the industry is you can come with whatever your background is and at the end of the day is

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application and that's what really and truly I believe life is all about what you have gained

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and how you apply it and the nuclear industry is no different of course like any other industry like

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any other industry when you come with your own whatever requirements or whatever degrees you

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cut you you have that company would have to train you and the nuclear industry is no different

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when I went to college I got my bachelor's in electrical engineering I got my minors in

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math mathematics but when I interviewed for the job I interviewed for the job as an engineer

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and then once once I got there in this case the design engineering group because I wanted to be

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in design because design gives me an opportunity wherein I learned so many different things as compared

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to systems engineering wherein you are you know you're trained to understand everything needs to know

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about a certain system that's assigned to you whereas design engineering allows you to look at different

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systems at any given time you assign so many different projects so you learn different projects

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and you look at different design design opportunities solutions so I love

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complicated solutions so I mean you can come with whatever whatever degree you have

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whatever degree you have and you know use those applications to do whatever you know

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whatever it is that you that you're to be trained to do and in this case since I was trained as

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electrical engineer I had for instrumentation and controls and I worked in a design engineering

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group for eight years and then after eight years working in that group I worked from you know

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different different projects as a project engineer as an engineer working mostly on instrumentation

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and control which is like just a project of electrical engineer really um um and we working

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more on instrumentations and looking at the behavior of those instruments for the given systems

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that they that are they that they are they are in or or they installed in so at the end of the day

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you know anybody any don't don't be scared whatsoever you know if you're going for electrical

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engineering mechanical engineering if it's communication even in law you have folks

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that that studied law but they come into the nuclear industry you have

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maybe like etium because you you understand the theory of of nuclear science and technology

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and you're able to apply you know what you got what your background was on and folks from the

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regulatory industry yeah they have a lot of folks that had law and they in the regulatory side

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of the industry you know like in this case this lady is communication okay because yeah yeah yeah

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anything at all in the african content that's one of the things we need right perfect yeah you got it so

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uh you talked about maintenance and operations of bwrs uh can you tell us something that is

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um a bit special with the bwrs that we cannot find because some people don't really know what bwrs

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is so can you explain to us what bwrs is please

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sorry sorry for the jaggers you know we in the nuclear industry have uh have a habit

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have a habit of acronyms because over time you know you just do these acronyms and everybody

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that asks you what is this about but in in this case sorry for the background noise again my

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son is trying to get something that he really needs um bwrs in the nuclear industry and in this

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case the energy of the utility industry you know over the years we have the most dominant types of

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reactors which is the major reactors is the boiling water reactor and the pressurized water reactors

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um the big difference is just a matter of how you how you transition from um from creating that energy

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within the reactor and and and transition in that through uh uh uh uh uh uh the different systems

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before you create before you generate electricity so at the end of the day in one in one design which

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in the boiling water reactor as the name is you boil the water in a reactor and the energy from

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from from from from the fission process and the reactor um that's creates some type of steam and that

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steam is transitioned through pipes through a mechanical way of uh of uh uh uh of an equipment of

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an instrument equipment in this case of the planet and from there you know you created energy that energy

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mechanical energy is then converted to you know uh yeah and that can explain the energy which goes to the

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generator so in the pwr you don't allow the waters to boil in the reactor right you take that you take

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you take that energy you know um and bring it through um steam steam generators and within the steam

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generation that's where the steam is being created the same steam that was in the boiling reactor that

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you transition through uh a mechanical mechanical conversion uh to be converted to electrical energy

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so those are two particularly main two differences at the end of the day um once you understand

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which you know which is which i haven't walked in the pwr interestingly all my years of

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water reactor we understand the theory and everything about it but i've never worked in a pwr

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even when i supported some of the some of our other sister plants um the only i remember the only

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the the support the plant that i supported also years back i think it was like 2009 or 10 or somewhere

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around that thing was a bwr you know um it's a bit yeah so all my career has been in in the boiling

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water reactors okay that's very interesting um ak you you talked about you having great passion

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for capacity building research development leadership um advocacy mentoring knowledge

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transfer adventure sports above all uh and a lot of family values as we have in traditional

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societies like ours in africa so i would say uh and as a form of question like what kind of things

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has helped you to um become who you are now do you have maybe um a trend or some materials or

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some kind of attitude or place or environment if you may say that helped you to rise to the level of

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because i consider it's a very great um um do i say capacity to work in a nuclear power plant

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environment so what would you say has helped you generally as an individual to to to get to this

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level of development and also contributing to operating the reactor uh oh man i haven't

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operated a reactor but i mean like walking in the environment walking in the nuclear power plant

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environment yes yes yes just so our our our our listeners don't think i've operated a reactor

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myself but i keep mistaking that you operate so yeah i know everybody everybody you're not the

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only one you know for whatever reason even in some of the conferences that we go for whatever reason

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i don't know why folks tend to think i'm an operator but i've never been an operator i would have

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loved to be a friend but anyway to ask you a question oh man you know in africa as you know

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very well we have a comment saying that he takes a village to raise anybody um and my experience um

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that i've gained since i can't even remember um to get to where my today is a combination of a lot of people

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but by far the foundation um that i have from back home our educational system we had there

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years ago because now i know the educational system is very different from when i was growing up yeah

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um the educational system prepared me by the time i moved to the states i was still

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i think it was like 19 almost yeah almost 18 going on 19 so literally i've spent all of my

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20s and 30s and 40s in in the united states but um but that's why biggie back it began for me the

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foundation that i i had in the schools in in africa our educational system um has prepared me for

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where i how i got here today you know um and hopefully one second

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telling you he's uh he's everywhere yeah um but uh but sorry about that excited

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yeah very very strong i would say back then um prepared me for when i got here and

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went i did one more year of high school even though i graduated from high school from from back home

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already in the sixth form when i came yeah but i came back and uh figured out the best way to understand

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the system in united states was go back to high school and just understand how things are done here

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but i would say um that was the foundation for me our school system in africa was great

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and it's sad now when i go back and i visit and i see how much our educational system has degraded

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so what do you think can be done to bring it up to to stand that what do you oh man um i know it's

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at the end it's it's it's man it's it's man don't open a can of warmth not open a can of worms yeah

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but at the end of it yeah i'm telling you you know by the end of the day it comes down to leadership

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you know i'll be totally honest with you brother um and you know when you and i have you have known

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you now for why almost six years seven years when we have our discussion one of the things

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that is lacking in our continent is leadership yeah and for the few leadership that we have had

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some of the countries we see the difference okay we see the difference um in how things are being

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done there one second so

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awesome awesome awesome

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awesome okay all right want to be part of want to be part of the web

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but um but yeah so i'll be honest with you brother at the end of the day is the leadership

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and in what we're lacking in our continent in general is leadership and even just our regular

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communities here in the diaspora yeah you see the leadership qualities that we lack and i think

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is something that can be trained um and one of the things that i've been able to even in my role

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as an advisor is when i this african young generation in nukle is not only about education

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he's not only about research and development yeah but it's about training our members to be

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good leaders yeah you know um and if we can lead us we can change we can change our continent

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i really really do believe that because we have the resources we have the knowledge we have the capacity

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to achieve whatever we would like to achieve you've just said a very salient point we should have

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some kind of leadership masterclass for the african young generation in nukle to train people

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right right very important right i mean even i think that should be a side event if i may say

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yeah so i mean what i try to do even within my role as as as the yg and advisor is our membership

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is i try in my role as an advisor in of itself is trying to mental folks leadership leadership

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skills what it takes um to empower people you know um we we feel go together and then and i think

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you and i have had this discussion before yeah i like listen there's not saying that you go alone you get

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the quicker right but if you're together it's very sustainable and that's that is that is what

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we need to do back home to recalibrate because it's not like the idea is not there the mentality

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is what needs to be recalibrated that we listen we can gather but what it would take to do that is

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we have to have patience for one another yeah we have to be listen to one another very true and at

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the end of the day if your idea that you present is not accepted by the majority it's okay yeah it's okay

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very very you know it doesn't have to be because your idea is not is is not um accepted by the by the

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majority you kind of move away from the objective or the mission of what you try to accomplish once

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we're able to do some of these few things very small little things i think we'll be able to achieve

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anything we put our minds to and a y g a right now as i speak is a testament to that um uh so you

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you know the inside and out of yeah of but look where we are today because we are able to work with

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one another yeah even though look at if you look at the leadership of a y g right now yeah the

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that were there in 2014 that started that that came up with this this vision you know people tend to

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want to think you know it's soland truly my vision but it's not more of my vision it's more of we start

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on that table and we thought we thought about what can we do we left out working right but if you

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look at our leadership right now nobody that was there that created that started the idea a part of

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the leadership and that's what that's one of the things i wanted in my humble opinion to communicate

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with our our our our community is not only here in amer not only in africa but even in daspora

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because i believe the daspora can bring so much back home um to to to impact folks so i say all that to say

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he doesn't always have to be oh this is my idea he has to be the my way or the highway no that other

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people need it's okay to empower others to become something if you do that you see a lot of things

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would happen very true so um ek i wonder like looking at the african context and what we have

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the infrastructure deficit and stuffs like that i wonder what do you think do you think

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nuclear is the most fitting solution to our energy needs or we need something else something

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that is more easily deployable or easier way you can balance our need and um uh yeah the benefit to risk

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and stuffs like that like do you think that nuclear is really what we need now or something else

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we'll solve our problems better maybe it's for the near future or at what state or can you align our

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our kind of progress with the nuclear dream good very good question um the way i would like to

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answer this question i don't like the idea of there's only one solution there are various ways of

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skin of skin in the cat as they would say back home right um we kind of like is kind of like

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politically incorrect now these days to say but but um but there are different ways you can

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achieve the same thing so i would say rather than nuclear being the only solution the biggest

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solution to our energy needs it could be part it can be part of our energy needs now how how

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how will go about that again it goes back to leadership because the excuse that we make for

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nuclear energy in general is the capital it takes to to to build this new react and you know

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reactors in in the continent it's like oh you know we don't even have the basic needs in the

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continent how can we afford to even build a 1000 megawatt electric um um reactor you know so i say at

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the end of the day it comes down to leadership so i wouldn't say it is the is the main um um is the

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savior for our energy needs but it can be um in the energy mix now what what we should be really

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really happy and what i'm hoping we embrace i mean one of the things that i've been pushing whenever i have

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whenever i have an audience is um this idea of the small molecule reactors are honestly and truly

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to believe that african the african continent should embrace this idea of small modular

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reactors and i'll give you one reason and one main one good reason why i think if we embrace this

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this this idea of the small molecule reactors and we've seen some of the designs that have already

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been approved especially here in the u.s. like new scale you know they've approved their designs for

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for implementation um it's just a matter of them um advertising their their design out within the

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united states and outside the united states but the what i want to get to why i believe the smr would

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probably bring the solution um to some of our energy needs you know instead of you know

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a big big big molecule reactor is um typically when we say an smr we're looking at 300 megawatts

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electric um output right so if we look at our existing um energy needs especially in this case

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the electrical grid our electrical grid in most of the african countries can hand over

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a 1000 megawatt electric output so right so if we plan ahead again again it's liturgy

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if we plan ahead and say you know what we're gonna plan ahead in this location we're gonna put

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four um 300 megawatt electric so that's about 1200 eventually we're gonna help so what we're

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gonna do is the 300 that we install for the time being let's say it takes two years to do that

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two or three years to build that one right we install our 300 megawatts but we plan to have four

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in there so once we build up that first 300 we can do that you know side by side by upgrading

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our electrical grid so i'll handle in the future in the next 10 years next 20 years um the other three

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smrs that we're going to build in that location yeah and some of the people we are of the school of thought

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that maybe for industrial applications like you know the dangote industries he could just have one

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in his industry and then the um overflows or the excess energy he can sell it to the

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residential around so i i quite agree with you while we are trying to build up our grid making

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it more reliable and to be able to take the heavy load that comes from the reactors we can also

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apply directly to where it is most needed like in the industry so yeah quite agree with you in that yeah

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yeah very correct

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yeah like like smrs the smr is is is a beautiful design that i believe for africa this is this is

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for us i know here here in most of the development nations they talk about using it for like some of the

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you know some of these wind farms that are that are that are obsolete outdated like you know what

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how about we just bring a small monitor reactor and put it there um and and that should do the job

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but for us if we get if we're able to do this energy mix wherein you can have

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renewables you can have in this case um um um reactor nuclear reactor power what that also

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allows us to do from an economic standpoint is the the electrical bill is definitely going to be

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easier to pay when you have multiple sources of electricity coming in rather than depending on this one

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or one most african countries depend on one source of electrical supply and what typically happens

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that the way you are right now um when something is wrong with that with that generator or something

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there's a shortage in in in oil there's such a in coal um now we have a problem because this is

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the all this is the one source we have and need a high price yes yeah so all of africa some of

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some of the challenges we have is depending on one thing one was that one thing those you know

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we're in trouble so if we diversify our portfolio and um and make sure we have all this different

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mature sources of energy we can do a lot of things and one of the things that when i when i went back

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to school i did my masters in energy systems a few years back um one of the things that uh i had discussed

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with the department um at the time for my entry uh he had like an entry letter that he had to write

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yeah i believe in the 21st century in other for africa in order for africa to move forward yeah

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most important thing we have to be able to address is our energy needs very good because everything else

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every infrastructure you can think about is based on our energy needs if we're going to have

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um an infrastructure of stadiums for those who are interested in sports you know if we're going

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to have an infrastructure of four or five stadiums if we don't have enough energy to do that what are

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we going to do if we're going to look at applications of nuclear science at the medical field

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where we'll bring all this big um diagnostic machines in hospitals yeah we're gonna have we

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we're gonna have reliable energy to uh to power these instruments is for nothing um you can go look

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at agriculture if you know applications of nuclear science in agriculture to address hunger um all of the

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instruments and machines that are used um to do all the research of of of these applications in that industry

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means energy from somewhere so until we're able to address the energy needs for a continent we'll continue

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to struggle wow wow wow this is super super super informative i'm a k and i'm very much

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enthralled by the way you have explained very pressing and mind boggling issues regarding the

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continent and our energy needs so this brings me to the last question a k uh what do you think

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we need and what do you have as a final kind of what i think this should not be the final because

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yeah you you you've been with the african community and i believe we'll still have more time

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with you in the future so can you give some last words that you want to give to our audience and

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maybe some thing you want them to have um uppermost in their mind what you think yeah you want to say

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in that regard um well first of all i would like to thank you for giving me this opportunity

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give me this opportunity to speak with the audience wherever they are on on the face of this earth

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we've gone through a lot of challenges through this covid so i hope and pray those who have lost

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loved ones um you know we are pray that god will continue to uh amen to uh to uh to continue to you know

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um um solve their sorrow that they have and um and for some of us who have had economic issues

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i hope that god you know god will take control wow so when it comes to the ideas what you know what

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message i would leave for uh because i believe most of the ideas here is from africa is you know let's

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let's find a way to work together um and it's simple to say but i believe 100 percent that if we

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work together uh we can accomplish a lot of things whether you are in the water you as an african in

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the diaspora yeah or you're an african living in the continent um if we embrace the idea of working

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together and i know it can be very difficult uh for us to also come together and and work and work on

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things but i do honestly do believe that if we find ways to be patient and that is the biggest takeaway

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from from from my advice to everybody listening is the capacity to be patient for one another to get at

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each and achieve more teamwork yeah right if we take that capacity to be patient with one another

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and we can empower each other in so many ways yeah that you want to that you can't even imagine

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and whatever we do we'll be able to succeed together and if we succeed together it's sustainable

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yeah um and it's sustainable you know everybody in the continent will be able to

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enjoy the the fruits of our labor but we have to understand um that whatever it is that we choose to do

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yeah and in this case in our in our industry you and i we're in the nuclear science and technology

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and for everybody else that's hoping to get into the into the industry our advice because i love the

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industry our advice take take take that leap but uh i say in whatever profession that you are in

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use that profession for good yeah for the continent for yourself for your family and for the continent

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but understanding the bigger price here is not individual the bigger price here is community

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community empowerment yeah community empowerment community empowerment community

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empowerment and teamwork if we do that anything is possible wow thank you so so much ak it's been

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a very intriguing and informative session with you i sincerely appreciate the time and i hope

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that your baby keeps you active um for the rest of the day i see he's doing a very great job doing

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that already yeah no problem no problem uh and same to you i wish i wish your family the best

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the best of times and um i mean we talk all the time anyway every now and then we do communicate

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but i hope to see the the the the the the young generation generation generation in Ghana so but

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before we go i just want to mention this before we go um for the audience that's listening in

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wherever you are africa young generation in nuclear will be having their second their third

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um by annual summit in Ghana in Ghana uh october 25 through to 29 yeah well we we already have a lot

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of good things waiting for our audience our attendees um the organizing committee has been

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gearing um to do a lot of things they continue continuously continuously um been doing a great

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work the Ghana young generation who's going to be hosting us i've been doing an amazing work i've

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been working with them you know so we're looking forward for something great so if you live in the

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continent you live in the diaspora please you can contact myself at akbarre 000 at gmail.com

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or you can go to linkedin you just type abduldash k a r i m b a r r i e we can link up there

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yes and and i would uh and i will give you all the information that's needed how you can

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participate we can be a sponsor of the conference itself uh so we're looking for all when we talk

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about teamwork this is what i'm talking about teamwork so everybody we want all of you guys to be

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part of part of what we find the links to um all these in the description of the podcast yeah awesome awesome