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Hello, Sophie Zenkewish. Thank you for honoring the invitation to feature on this episode of

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Afrinuk Podcast. I got to know about Sophie through introduction of the YGN team that's

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part of the Nexero Nuts Nuclear counterpart of the COP26 delegate. She is part of the

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young people that are advocating for nuclear to be part of the low-carbon energy resource

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and should be considered as a viable source of energy that is green, clean and low-carbon

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and also energy dense. So Sophie, I would like you to introduce yourself. Tell us about

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you and what you do and yeah, just an introduction.

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Hi there, it's great to meet you. Thank you for having us on this podcast. Really excited.

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Just a bit about me then. I live in the United Kingdom. I live in Manchester and I work for

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the National Nuclear Laboratory and also volunteer for the UK YGN for the COP26 delivery team.

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So we got together in September and we've been working to hold a whole range of activities

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to generally just raise awareness about COP26. And it's been a fantastic, we've had a fantastic

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response so far and it's lovely to meet other like-minded nuclear-focused individuals.

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What kind of responses are you talking about? It's been awesome. Honestly, we've been so

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overwhelmed by how many people have been really receptive towards the things that we'd like

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to do. The biggest, we set up this campaign called NetZero in Eastern Nuclear and we've

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been using that to reach out and engage with a lot of different groups. So it's people

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like the African YGN, like yourselves, but also a lot of other outside of sector people.

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So we've had some good collaborations with the other energy forums, so not necessarily

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nuclear specific. But it's been really positive.

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Nice. Some people listening to us may not know what COP means. Can you tell us a bit

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about COP and why we should be concerned about this?

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So COP stands for Conference of the Party and it's an international conference that

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the world attends. You have country representatives from across the globe and this year we're

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in our 26th year of running it. It's the COP 26 and it's essentially an opportunity for

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countries and countries to decide how we've got to this. You might have heard of the Paris

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Climate Agreement. That was agreed a couple of years ago. So it's things that everyone

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gets together in a room and we decide how we're going to work together to really make

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some positive impact for climate change.

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Nice. Okay. So you told us that you work with the young people and you've also volunteered

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for the UK YGN. So how best or what kind of engagements and what ways have you kind of,

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because the youths are very active and have, I would not say any deficits kind of attention

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span but I would say they are very active and they tend to focus very little on certain

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things. So I wonder how do you engage the youth and have them to commit to understanding

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what you want to tell them, like the message you want to transmit to them. How best have

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you engaged the youth apart from social media and yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, that's a really good question. And I think that like I said, we formed back

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in September 2020. So we're recording this in June. So we're a couple of months down

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the line. And I think the biggest thing we've said, we've tried a lot of different ways.

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What we found is that people are especially young people, they are incredibly conscious

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about the environment and their future because ultimately it is we're all doing this because

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it's the future that we're working towards. So I think in terms of engagement, we've actually

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been really surprised at how many people care so passionately and deeply about this sort

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of thing. The way that we go about and the reason why we all joined the COP team, so

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there's nine of us currently that work in the core team and then obviously we've got

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a fabulous amount of volunteers that really work with us. But the reason that we all joined

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is because we consider ourselves environmentalists first. That's what we all think. So we really

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care passionately about the environment and the sustainability of it. And then because

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we care, we therefore think that nuclear should be at the table and should be one of the options

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and the solutions that's helping us do that. So specifically in terms of that's why we

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engaged but then in terms of kind of how we were about doing, you mentioned social media,

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that's a huge one at the moment. I think that's probably how you and I met in terms of, we

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saw what you were doing, you saw what we were doing and we just went, actually, yeah, we'd

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like to get on board with that. We run a media campaign where the title of it is next year

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in Indonesia and we encourage everyone to post about why do you think that's okay and

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use that hashtag. But that's obviously a big one for us. But then there's a lot more,

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there's other things like the more local kind of engagement and I'm sure you have similar

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experiences but that kind of outreach and getting out into the community and really

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understanding the issues. I think that's really interesting for me personally because being

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part of volunteering, it gives you like an avenue to go and ask those questions.

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Yeah, very good. I so much appreciate your explanation about the youth engagement. So

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how do you measure your success? Kind of to say, okay, with these I think we have gotten

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this level of engagement which is to some level of satisfaction or okay, at this level,

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with this number of clicks or likes or this kind of feedbacks, I mean, what are the metrics,

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if I may say, like how do you consolidate your achievements, if I may say?

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Yeah, definitely. It's obviously a massive thing for us. I don't know what your own

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nuclear related experiences like that. I think sometimes it can feel like you're screaming

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endlessly into this void and you're not really hearing anything back. And obviously we need

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to be conscious that because we're all volunteers, we want to put our energy where it's most

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valuable. And so to do this, we set up a petition. Hopefully we can post a link to that. But

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this petition is around. We've had over the time of recording, we've had 3,700 people

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sign up to it. So obviously that's a huge metric that we can say, yeah, it's amazing.

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I think I also sent that petition to some of my friends. So yeah.

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Oh, thank you.

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That's the one on change.org, right?

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Yes, yeah, that's it. That's it. So that's obviously a huge metric. So that's really

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useful to us when we're going to do, we've got meetings with MPs or politicians or the

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general public just to say, look at this amazing amount of people that signed up to this thing

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because they really believe in it. So that's a huge one. And then kind of more corporately

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and professionally, I guess, we've written a position paper as well, which you can find

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on the net there in music.com website. That's a scientific, independent position paper.

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And what we did that right at the start, because we wanted to give organizations and

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companies something that they could sign up for and kind of go, this is what we stand for

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and we agree. And actually at the moment we've had, and this is honestly an incredible statistic,

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again, in June at the time of recording, we've had 100 companies sign up. But within those

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companies and organizations, they represent 80,000 people, at least, you know, yeah, it's amazing.

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And I think the African YGN signed up for that as well, actually, which is fantastic,

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because it's just a way to really reach out and find those people that you wouldn't

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necessarily be able to. So they're two huge ones for us, I'd say.

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That's a very big achievement from you. And it's a very viable metric to show the level of

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engagement you've attracted going with your campaign for nuclear to be included as a viable

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energy source. Well, that's a very great one. And this brings me to the next aspect, because

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the youth are going to be coming, I believe, apart from their politicians or country representatives

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that will be in those parts, in certain parts of the conference. I wonder, like,

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is there any side events for the youth in this upcoming COP meeting?

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Are you aware of any? Yeah, great question. So the COP is interesting, just as a bit of

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background, again, and I've probably should have mentioned at the beginning, but there's two different

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main avenues that you can get involved in COP. One is it's called the Blue Zone,

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and one is the Green Zone. And the Green Zone is where... The Blue Zone and the Green Zone, okay.

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I know, yeah. I think I've potentially may have been more creative with the names there, but

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the Blue Zone is that's where a lot of the outreach and interaction with school children,

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the public, that's where all that sort of thing happens. So you can imagine it's quite,

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it's quite vibrant and there's a lot to kind of get involved with, touch feel, you know,

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it's a bit more interactive. Whereas the Blue Zone is kind of where the decisions and the

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country pavilions meet. And so we, as the UK YGM, are hoping to attend COP in person,

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and we're applying through the Blue Zone. But through the Green Zone, there's a lot of other

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applications that have been put in, which is around events and how we can just generally raise

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awareness and engage with people. So as part of that, you have a lot of these side events. Now

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we're trying to, we're hoping to run a couple. We've put out some venues, so we're hoping of doing

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things like a quiz that we're hoping to collaborate with some new representatives and things like

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that on. But also social media, again, will be huge throughout all of that. So there's going to be a

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couple of competitions and other ways to get involved. Because we're conscious that obviously

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very few people actually get to go to COP. So we want to try and make it as inclusive for those

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that can't make it possible. That's cool. That's very interesting. So the UK YGM are already like

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on the lineup for the events, which is very interesting. And I hope that the young people

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listening to this podcast will know that they are well represented. And with you, I believe that

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the young people can have a voice over there. Thank you. Keep it going. Alluta, okay?

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Thank you. So are there any common pressing issues among the young people in the UK right now?

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Like what are the common issues? Like in Nigeria, for example, there are some issues about the

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young people being kind of restrained in their use of social media. And generally,

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there is a little bit of tension on why and why not restrain the use and stuff like that.

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And there is a debate whether they should continue the national youth scheme and stuff like that.

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I don't know. Are there some contentious issues in the UK that might be of interest to our listeners,

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if we may say? Yeah. So I think across the world, and obviously there is a degree, but there's a

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real movement at the moment that's kind of bubbling up amongst all the youth at the moment,

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that we want to be taken seriously and we want to have our voices heard because, again, like I

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said at the beginning, it's around our future. You know, these are the decisions. The decisions

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that are being made will affect us. And I think it's only right and fair that we should take

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ownership of that and we should be party to being able to be involved in those sort of conversations.

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Yeah. Specifically in the UK, it's, I think we've noticed whilst doing this campaign that there

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are a lot more young people have opinions, right? And we want to talk about them. And I think the

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benefits of running things like this campaign is that it gives people a platform and a voice. So

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yeah, that's everything at the moment. And I think where you guys are being able to stand up

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and stand up for what you believe in is one of the most powerful things that you can ever do. And

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I would strongly encourage you to, you and everyone listening to, if you believe in something, then

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that's that. And you should be able to save those things.

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That's great. Can you tell us a bit about what you do in the UK National Lab? Like,

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what kinds of things do they do in your organisation? Like, and how some youth are involved in them?

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Can you tell us about it?

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Yeah. So the National Nuclear Laboratory is the UK's laboratory for efficient. And we work across,

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we have sites across the UK and we really work on a lot of activities that support

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decommissioning objectives. So the kind of waste treatment. Yeah, so the decommissioning of nuclear

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power plants, the kind of decommissioning objectives in terms of we'd like to help support the United

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Kingdom return its nuclear sites to end states. But we also do a lot around nuclear and security

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and safeguards and things like health and nuclear medicine. So it's really, really varied and diverse.

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And as part of, you asked about youth engagement at NNL, we work closely with the YGN and the YGN

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is part of the Nuclear Institute. It's kind of like the young person professional body

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that represents all of that. So we've got a couple of thousand members across the UK that

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feed into our organisation as the YGN. And really it's like you're saying about giving people a

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platform to kind of unite around and really share those messages. That's very great. I see that

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some of your activities, I have seen you organise in some kind of events, school competitions and

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stuff like that, which is very captivating for young people. When they see that there are things

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that catch their attention, they will be very much engaged in it. There are some things that

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when you do it and you don't infuse some active engagement ingredients in it, some youth will

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not be attracted. If you devise something like a video game for the commissioning, you will find

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that some youth will be very much interested if I may say. They want to play with it and they want

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to see. And you see when you do things like this and the young people begin to understand what it

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means to be concerned about the environment. I remember a game that I played. I forgot the

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name of that game but the main feature of the game was having a green area and if there is any

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uprooting of the tree, like maybe an insect or maybe a building was going to be made,

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that made the vegetation to be removed, then there will be a decrease in the score. So the way to

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go up the leaderboard is to have a way of replenishing the vegetation that is removed

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through any human activity. So yeah, that's a very, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think this will go a

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long way to also affect the way the young people are engaged in the environment as well. I completely

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agree. Yeah, that whole concept of gamification and where you, yeah, yeah, and you kind of make it,

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you make it fun, you make it interesting. And that is actually something that I think we can take

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into how we work with nuclear. It's a super cool place to work. It's super interesting and there's

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so many different avenues that you can go down. And I think maybe as an industry, we need to work a

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little bit harder to kind of reach out of our comfort zone and our bubble and go, it's awesome,

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don't you want to get involved? So that's something that is definitely really big of my agenda for

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sure. Have you had time with any maybe senior employee working in the nuclear environment and

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maybe the story is telling, is it something that you would like to experience or something you

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would like to change? Maybe, maybe this is a bit more, more personal kind of question, like going

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around your job. But I wonder like, yeah, going by how interesting it should be. I wonder if it's

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something you are very much excited about and every young man would be excited about too.

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I love that. Yeah, that's awesome. And I think through running the NetBurne's Nuclear Campaign,

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we have been able to interact with so many fantastic people in the industry and they've

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got such wealth and such experience, kind of wealth of knowledge and experience that it's been

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absolutely awesome to, and you have a real privilege to talk to them and kind of hear their

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expertise. In terms of what I would change, I think, honestly, I think it would probably be what I

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bet around that kind of engagement. There's, nuclear has got a really long and interesting

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history and has had a lot of ups and downs. And I think where I'd like to position ourselves as

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a nuclear industry, as a global nuclear industry is that we see ourselves as part of the solution.

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We're not the solution, and we're not going to solve everything. But actually, we really feel

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like we should be represented because we want to be there. Yeah, part of it. We're not going to do it

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alone. And we need to work with the renewable industry. We need to work with other low carbon,

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clean energy sectors. Because ultimately, we're all humans, we're all fighting for the same thing.

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I would love for us to get on. And that's a big ask, though, I feel. But I think if we could work

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towards that, and I think that's probably why the young generation is so important, because we

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recognize the importance of working together, collaborating, being humble about the things

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that we can deliver. That would be huge. That's interesting. Any bubbling side of Glasgow, you

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want to suggest to potential young people that are becoming... Any places to visit. Do you know?

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Yeah. I'm not a Glasgow expert, but it's going to be fun. If you can make it over, it's going to be fun.

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Come on, you should start the survey now. Like begin to fish for those wonderful places to go ease of.

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I think I'm shocked. Yes, of course. To express the energy. Anyway, it's been a great time talking

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with you. You've had a great experience working with the National Lab and also the volunteering

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for the UK YGN. And your contribution is so remarkable. And I'm very happy to talk with you

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and to share time with you as well. So just for the audience that may want to know maybe how you

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have progressed so far in your career, I wonder if you have any few words that you want to say,

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maybe some things that helped you along the way or some obstacles you want to avoid or want the

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person behind you coming to avoid stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Firstly, thank you.

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Thank you for reaching out. And it's lovely to talk to you and hopefully if anyone wants to get in

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touch with us, feel free to reach out through our website. We've got a content form there. It'd be

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lovely to hear either opinion. Anyway, if you want to collaborate, anything like that, feel free to

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reach out. And yeah, just in terms of career, I'm actually really into the industry. I came

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after university. So I've actually only been here three years in terms of working in nuclear.

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And I think the thing I'd say is be receptive and be positive because the people are what make

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nuclear special. And everyone that I've come across is working here because they love it and

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because they cared deeply about it. So stay happy. That's very good. Thank you so much. We should

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stay happy and stay inquisitive. Okay, so thank you for the time. And I hope that we can see you

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when we come to Glasgow if that opportunity comes our way. Absolutely, for sure. Thank you. Thank

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you, Sophie. Have a good day.