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Have you heard of the word nuclearization?

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In this episode of AFRI NUC podcast, we bring you Emilia Yanise, the external relations

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manager at the European Nuclear Society.

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This into the end, you might find a reason to get nuclearized.

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First of all, I want to thank you for accepting the invitation to speak in this AFRI NUC podcast.

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Yes, thank you very much for the invitation.

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It is also very interesting to talk to you because I don't have so many contacts with

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the AFRI people.

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It's a really great opportunity to speak to you today.

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My name is Emilia Yanise.

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Thank you very much for the invitation.

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I'm originally from Poland, but I live now in Belgium.

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I work here as an external relations manager of the European Nuclear Society.

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I work in the nuclear field for over 10 years.

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My background is general with communications touch and psychology.

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But for the 10 years, I feel that I'm nuclearized and I attended also many courses, visited

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many nuclear power plants, so I think I know a bit about the nuclear energy.

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One of my main subjects, my main task at the European Nuclear Society is to take care

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of their relations with our members.

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We have 12,000 members in 21 European countries.

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Plus, we have 28 corporate members and big companies who belong also to our European

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Nuclear Society network.

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Thank you.

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That's such an enriching introduction.

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It's more than what I actually expected.

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Anyway, it's quite interesting to know that you were not originally in the nuclear field,

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but you've been nuclearized.

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That's the most silent point you made.

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So I don't know.

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Can you tell us about how you became, you had the background in communications and social

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science and you just came into the nuclear field from that area.

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So can you explain a bit about the nuclearization?

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On my daily job, I mostly do a PR and communications job.

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So probably my employer would not request very much having in-depth knowledge on nuclear.

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Despite this, I think it is really important what you are talking about and what you're

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doing.

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You really know the subject and I was always curious to learn more about the technology

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that I'm representing.

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Therefore I attended the Nuclear Energy Management School of the IEA.

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It's a school open for all nationalities.

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It's free of cost.

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So I very much encourage all of the listeners to attend the school.

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They are every year additions what the International Atomic Energy Agency is organizing in different

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parts of the world.

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And they bring together students and young professionals especially and teach them about

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leadership skills, how to manage different nuclear projects, what is the new build, what

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is the commissioning and so on.

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So it's really interesting.

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Another course what I did was on the waste and the commissioning organized by the European

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Commission Joint Research Center in Italy.

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And these two courses gave me also not only the knowledge but also a great opportunity

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of having contact with really young professionals from all over the world.

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So that is very important.

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It's quite interesting to know how much you've dealt with the young people and I hope that

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those young people listening to us now can see how interesting it is to be in the nuclear

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field.

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An interesting aspect about your career is very important and I think our hearers and

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listeners would like to know more about how you've been able because when you were introducing

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yourself you said you worked with more than 28 companies in the nuclear field in Europe

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and that appears to be a very huge task.

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So have you been able to like relate with these people because I know you are working

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as the external relations manager.

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So how are you able to manage this large group of people from different fields with different

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interests like that makes me wonder like you must be a superwoman.

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Yeah, I think the important is to know these people and there are also the rotation sometimes

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that different managers of different companies is sometimes very high.

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So it's important to keep contact regular contacts with them and we have different have different

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tools to do it.

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One of them is our newsletter that we create together with our members.

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So we have four times per year we call for input to our newsletter.

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So in this way I learn about their businesses, about their projects, about their recent success

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stories.

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Additionally to this we do every year kind of tour de robe.

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So really like every year we contact one by one different managers of the 28 companies

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plus we visit different and organize different conferences where these representatives of

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different companies are coming.

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So we have really good network and opportunity to talk to them.

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And another way of keeping contact with them and learn what their needs are are the webinars.

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So we not only because of the pandemic situation but also before we organize regularly every

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month a webinar on nuclear technology, different subjects with them.

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So this is how we learn their projects and how we also promote their interest towards

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our network.

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Cool, cool, cool.

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So it's quite interesting to know how you have navigated your job and able to deal

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with the different companies that collaborate with you, do some level of correspondence

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with your organization.

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But I wonder somehow the nuclear community or the nuclear environment, I don't know

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the rights were to put but the new atmosphere generally in Europe seem not to be very encouraging.

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So what's your view about this and what are the people doing about it and what is European

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nuclear society doing about this?

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Are you going to allow it to die like that?

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Yeah, I think it's changing now.

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So indeed there was very bad press for nuclear just after Fukushima and it lasts for about

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six years.

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But now I see the change in the mindset of the European Commission for example, which

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is a body giving the indications, the policy indications for the entire Europe.

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And I see also the change in perception of different countries that they see.

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When the European Commission sets some climate goals for example, and then they are now aware

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and they are admitting that without nuclear we are not able to reach net zero emission

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by 2050.

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Therefore, the shift is changing, I mean they are just field the shift and also now with

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our for example nuclear for climate campaign, we see there are more and more alliances,

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I mean more and more people coming in to the discussion and those who were in the past

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may be against nuclear.

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They start to think that this is now the solution for the moment and also for the future.

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So the conversation is different, it's easier and it's not so frustrating anymore to talk

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to different representatives and policy makers.

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I feel it and we see this also in different conversations.

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Well you already delved into the question I was going to ask you because the UN goes

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normally change as the time goes on, like every year or every period of their goal setting

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comes and goes and then they change things, they keep shifting the goals.

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The current one is about the climate and this is the front burner among the committee of

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nations.

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The nuclear energy is a major contributor to the carbonization but the international

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organization is here to recognize or give it the rightful place as it is giving other

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energy sources like the renewables.

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So I want to kind of get your view, I know you are in support of nuclear renewables but

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how do you think this can better be organized for the international organization to actually

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recognize this viable combination of these two energy resources?

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Yeah I think there are different actors involved in this discussion.

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So of course we as CNS, we are not loving organization, we are scientific community.

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So I think our role in this discussion is really to prove based scientific facts and

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figures and this is our role and this is what we do together with our high scientific council.

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We have a group of kind of think tank providing different position papers scientific based.

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So I think this is our role to play in this discussion and sometimes even if there are

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the discussions becoming emotional because some of the countries are not really willing

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to discuss anything, you cannot discuss very much with the facts and scientific based facts.

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The four we call always in our communications to check the figures, to let them look at

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the facts, scientific based facts and this is our tool, this is our power and I think

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this is the best approach from our perspective.

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Therefore we, for example, we together with the high scientific council, we presented

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a paper on how to reach the EU goals and the global goals, climate goals with nuclear and

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we see nuclear as a key partner for renewables.

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This two technologies are complementary and they can fantastically function together.

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Another element in this in this in this duet is also hydrogen technology which is coming

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into the discussion.

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So we see really that nuclear is the best also solution to produce the hydrogen technology

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and these three elements I think can do already a big work.

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I don't know if you had a chance to see the recent strategy for 2050.

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They also talk about nuclear.

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The share of nuclear by 2050 will be not as big as it's now but we see that this is seen

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still as an important element in the revolution in energy transition and so on.

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Thank you.

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We are happy.

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Yes.

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I get the point you are trying to make about trying to convince the international community

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about the validity of nuclear and how it's actually should be included and how the picture

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is not really good for the nuclear community from the international atomic energy agency

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and there is a common trend that has been observed.

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The nuclear community kind of always try to fit in to the mainstream or the more generally

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acceptable energy generation or energy sources and it's been the trend for a very long time

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and other industries that in the society they are more catastrophic than nuclear that actually

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claim more lives when there is accident.

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They are not begging to be included.

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They are not begging to be relevant just like the aviation industry.

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People die almost.

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There are plane crashes that claim lives almost every now and then.

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Most recently we had a plane crash but still people use the plane.

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But people are yet to come to realize or recognize the importance.

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Then I begin to think that we need to do more than the science.

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We need to show more than the science behind nuclear.

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It needs to come to the social aspect and that's where your background comes into play, the

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communication for that people can actually accept nuclear as what they need and not what

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is an option.

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So I wonder if this is something that can be worked on because from Africa we don't have

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much nuclear power plant and we don't have so much options of other energy that gives

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a lot of base load to power the industries.

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So I think it behoves on us as I am also talking to you.

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I believe at some point the Europeans had some need to convince the people.

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They talked to the people about the nuclear power plant.

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So I want to believe that we need a new medium of communication, a new way of communicating

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the importance for the advantages of nuclear technology so that people can be more willing

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to accept it instead of being convinced to accept it.

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So this brings me to the next question to you because nuclear is like a special field

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and it's like people need to get more knowledge about it.

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So I want to ask you like what are the things that helped you to learn the ropes and became

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more comfortable with nuclear because I see that you are more in support of nuclear technology.

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What made you more comfortable with the idea of nuclear energy being clean or acceptable

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to you?

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I think it is very difficult to discuss with the people who have big fears of nuclear and

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of course we should communicate more but as you said also that we also need to have knowledge

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and sometimes the basic knowledge already allows them to start to think like, aha,

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you know like this there is some click, okay this is not so danger, not 20,000 people didn't

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die and Fukushima due to...

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What kind of material or what kind of knowledge medium do you think or source do you think

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one can use to bring this to people?

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Yeah, I think this is what I was super happy to see also so many African societies supporting

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the campaign what we launched 2014, this Nuclear for Climate campaign.

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I think this is a great tool of communications tool which gives you the power of telling

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the story about nuclear as a partner for new goals which gives you the tool to have like

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nice logos, nice frames of the social media, we have a lot of graphics that are very clear

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and explain very well what does it mean, the nuclear waste, what is the output of the electricity

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in compared to the coal for example, how much coal you have to burn to get the same amount

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of electricity than from nuclear, you know so there are the great communications tools

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indeed coming from under the Nuclear for Climate hub and if we will be able to spread

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this using simple Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn or any other social media tool which you personally

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and any of the listeners use I think this will be like spread over the world and this

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is something that we try to create because you know there are of course very scientific

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reports that nobody will read or that the people are not really necessarily looking

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for, the best way to put the facts, scientific based facts of course and a very simple nicely

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presented nice graph, like communications and then to use it and spread it and I don't

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know how many of you are using Facebook and maybe this is a…

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I remember people are using of course it's a malevolent technology that anybody can use

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and I think this is something that gives you the power of saying and also like starting

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the conversation with your neighbors, with your friends and this is what I experience

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very often when I start to say like hi I'm working for the Europe for the nuclear field

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and it's like oh okay we don't want to talk to you, yeah what is your problem and then

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you start in the conversation and you start to learn okay they don't know this and this

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and this you are explaining them and then they start to like oh okay but you know they

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have also face behind this you know they maybe they are fear, they have fear of ways but

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they know you so they trust you and then they know that your knowledge will allow to, I

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mean that you are enough capable to talk about it so I think it's really like giving the

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human face and really talking about that we are, I mean this is also what we feel here

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generating which we feel that we are nuclear heroes, I mean the climate heroes you know

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that we are really giving people power and we also make the world less emission so this

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is, yeah of course nobody goes to preach that he wants to be a pilot or he wants to work

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in Facebook or Google because they already see how useful and how important these companies

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are and it will be no brainer to try to convince somebody that these companies will pay you

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well or we help you build a good career or help you get a better life and that brings

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me to the question of what do you have as an advice for those who want to kind of build

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a career in the nuclear field like they want to see hope you know when you want to do something

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you want to be sure that you have a hope and a future in it either as a satisfying career

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or something that will help you build a life on it so I don't know if it is something that

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you would like to talk about because you already work in the nuclear environment so like what's

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kind of yeah what kind of advice you will have for those who want to build a career or

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all decided about nuclear.

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we organize a CNS and I would like to also invite all of you to our webinars.

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Was that CNS?

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No, ENS European European Society.

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Okay, okay, okay, okay.

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So we organize every month a webinar with HR manager who gives young professionals hints

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on how to you know develop the career, how to what are the next steps in the career based

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on your CV and so on so we just recently organized one with Finovoima with a Finnish company

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and before with Techno or the Spanish one so the next one we will have so I have few

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advices one is to decide I mean it depends of course of your study but if you would like

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to study and if you like go for the nuclear sector definitely the study will help so nuclear

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engineering and or mechanical engineering and so on.

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You can be easily nuclearized in the framework of different trainings for different companies

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but of course the technical background is very important for different positions then

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network, network, network so network meaning young generation network I think this is always

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great opportunity to meet with the big bosses of the companies if you are a member of a

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network so African young generation network is one of them you have 9 million generation

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so there are really like networks who are bringing people together young professionals

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working already or who are considering working the nuclear field and I think this is this

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is the power to be there and of course depending of how active this network is then then you

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can really make a difference and make connections.

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Another thing is LinkedIn I think LinkedIn allows you also to create your professional

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profile and connect with other people so don't be afraid even if you don't know this person

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just try to connect write a short message why you want to connect there are different also

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career platforms on LinkedIn for example where you can be part of it and and check the jobs

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opportunities one of them we are running this is ENS career platform for young professionals

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where we put the jobs opportunities provided by our corporate members we organized this career

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webinars you have also INS youth forum international career youth forum so this is a

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organization which organized every second year a big conference with also representatives of

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companies so of course depends of the of your support of the money and so on but already online

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activism is allows you to find the network find the right yeah and present themselves so I think

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this is network it's important and as I mentioned this IEA school it's gives you also a great

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opportunity to meet with others to create really like connections and and learn new stuff and maybe

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also it gives you also guideline in which direction you would like to develop.

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Thank you so much like it's been very very enriching to listen to you and get your advice

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get your introduction and your ideas about nuclear and different combinations with renewables and to

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also have people to have the impetus and enthusiasm to support nuclear technology you've talked about

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how you've liars with companies and how you have been able to nuclearize yourself that's a very

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important point getting nuclearized and that's very important to those who are listening to us

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that don't have a background of engineering or nuclear energy or nuclear engineering or science

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that it doesn't stop you from getting into the nuclear community you can get nuclearized by

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attending conferences linking up with people who are already having the background or getting jobs

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in those companies or just connecting and networking with people and yeah yeah yeah yeah so uh I want

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to hear from you do you have any final words or parting words that you want to tell those that

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are listening to this podcast or to the afri-new or the african community or the world in general

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I think your background doesn't impact you and you have a chance to do whatever you want if you

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really want to do it and my motto is carpe diem so carpe diem take every chance every day what it

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brings to to develop and to discover new things and sometimes you will don't know you don't know

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how it will be useful in your future are you are you in the french or the flemish part of belgium

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and now i'm in the flemish one interesting so okay so you can speak some flemish i was in gent

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um sometime sometime ago and yeah yeah yeah and i also went to brissel by train so it was quite an

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interesting time in belgium at that time when were you i was in gent uh the when when uh that was in

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2018 actually okay okay before the pandemic of course i was in niger yeah i was only in uh

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south africa and uh and tunisia so this too like you know like two apart very much apart yeah there's

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an opportunity you can come to gana you know the african young generation i mean nuclear the the

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yearly summit is coming up in gana in october yeah it's a very nice opportunity for anyone listening

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to us and you as well to to attend yeah okay thank you very much for the invitation it was very much

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thank you for the invitation and it was nice yeah thank you so much have a good day have a good day

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bye bye