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Welcome to AFRI NEWK podcast. This is the podcast about nuclear technology in Africa

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using the African voice. And on today's episode, we have Miss America Grace Tanki from the United

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States of America. We want to talk about nuclear issues and the nuclear delegation at COP28 in

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Dubai. So let's listen up and get the situating views she has. And yeah, you might get a chance to

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also ask some few questions to her. And it's a rare privilege. So yeah, take it from here.

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Nneka will be also giving some aspects of the discussion and as a co-host as well. So yeah,

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Nneka, please can you take it from here? Thank you. Hello, good morning, everyone. Welcome to the

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AFRI NEWK podcast on this special edition with Miss America. Nice to meet you Grace. It's a pleasure

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to have you on this show. Oh, thank you so much. It's so wonderful to be here and to be speaking

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on the AFRI NEWK podcast. Thank you. So may we meet you officially? Yes. So I am Miss America 2023

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actually, and also a nuclear engineering student. So I finish up my degree actually within like the

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next week here. So as soon as I get back to the States, I'm taking my final for my last class.

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But ultimately, yeah, I'm a nuclear advocate and I do a ton of different outreach and education

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work to help shift the public perception surrounding nuclear science worldwide. Oh, that's nice.

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That's nice. It's good to see someone from a different world advocating for science.

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So how did you become interested in nuclear energy and by extension nuclear advocacy?

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For me personally, I have, okay, I always say I have a really bad origin story with how I got

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involved in nuclear. Oh, wow. It's like just very not what you expect, right? So I was a 16 year old

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teenage girl and I'm like, all right, what do I want to do with my life, right? What do I want to

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what do I want to be when I grow up? All of those good important questions, right? And I always knew

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I like math and science. I've always loved the study of patterns and things like that and knowing

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that I'm either right or wrong. There's no in between math or science. So I knew I really liked

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engineering and I was touring colleges and I was going through the list of majors and I saw nuclear

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engineering and honestly, I just thought it sounded really, really cool. Like I was like a man, a man

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in what a flex it would be to say I'm a nuclear engineer. So that's what started it. And then I

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go back home after visiting these colleges and I'm talking with my dad and I'm like, listen, dad,

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I'm thinking either nuclear or aerospace engineering for my major. And yeah, well, it's it's

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exciting and I'm very honored to have those opportunities. But it was really funny because

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my dad looks at me and he goes, Grace, don't go into nuclear. There's no future there. And now a

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typical teenage reaction to when her dad tells her not to do something is to go and do it. So

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that's exactly what I did. Yeah, yeah. So I got into this field out of spite. But I always say

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what kept me in it is what I learned in that first semester of school. And then I learned how much

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nuclear can continue to contribute to our society. So that first semester in school, I learned about

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how nuclear power is 20% of America, 10% of the globe, how it continues to help cure cancer. You

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know, my dad is a two time cancer survivor. So that was a really big, a really big thing learning

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about that and going back home and having those discussions. It was really, really incredible.

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And I hope your dad knows your future in nuclear. Yes, he is very much so very pro nuclear now.

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So thank you very much. You did that. Yeah, so one person at a time. Okay. Yeah. So how has the

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journey been so far? It has from your from your high school days to today. Yeah, it has been

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incredible. So as as a high schooler, you know, I didn't know a lot about nuclear and I didn't

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really get into it until I got into college. And once I once I was in college at the University

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of Wisconsin, Madison, it was it totally changed my perspective. And I started competing in the

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Miss America competition, you know, we had the global pandemic happened during my freshman year.

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So I've had a lot of a lot of different life experiences and stuff. So it's been incredible

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though, because my main focus has been educating the general public surrounding nuclear energy and

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nuclear science overall. So I do a lot of work with young children ranging from kindergarten,

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all the way up to university students who are, you know, interested in learning and a lot. The

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biggest thing is young people today care about climate change. They care about accessible and

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reliable energy. And nuclear energy is one of the few forms of energy that checks all of those boxes.

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And it's truly, truly incredible to have that opportunity to talk about this off of science

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and what it can do for the world. That's interesting to know. So you are at COP 28,

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you are in Dubai, you you are part of the nuclear community in Dubai. So share with us your

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initial thoughts, your emotions when you are going to COP 28 as a nuclear advocate and at the same time,

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a beauty queen. Yeah, here at COP 28, it is so so exciting. So for those that don't know,

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this is an international climate change conference, one of the biggest, like I would argue the biggest

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one, right? Yes. So it is truly incredible. We have a group of over 50 youth advocates here to

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talk about nuclear energy and to get it on the table. And this year has been very exciting. 22

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countries signed an agreement to triple global nuclear capacity by 2050. So that means by 2050,

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we will have 30% of our energy grid is nuclear energy. And that is so, so incredible to know

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that 22 countries are on board. And that just I only know will simply that's a good start. I know

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before the decade runs out, we will have more countries joining into this agreement. So exactly.

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Exactly. So what I have been the challenges and the opportunities discussed for the nuclear

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community as COP 28. Yes, we know the world is targeted at zero and there is this agreement to

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triple nuclear energy production. But this also comes with its challenges. Of course,

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there is this positive side of it that is the opportunity. So what is it like? What was the

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discussion to cater for the challenges and opportunities that is going to come out of this

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agreement to triple nuclear energy production across the world?

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The biggest challenges are the cost, the initial cost, and then the time it takes to build them,

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right? Yeah. And honestly, it's been really incredible because here in Dubai, we've had the

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opportunity to go to the Baraka nuclear power plant, which is that one. Yeah, it is it is about

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five hours away from Dubai. And Baraka is a perfect example of a nuclear power plant built on time

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and on budget. And that is something that shows that it can be done in modern day and age. And

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now that power plant produces 25% of the UAE's energy, which is incredible when you think about

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it at the end of the day. So there is there is plenty of successful cases of reactors being

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built on time and on budget. There are so many countries that within the next five years that

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are going to be breaking ground on building new nuclear. And I'm so excited to watch that continue.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I am too. I am because I also see it from the African perspective that it is

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also opening ways for Africa when this Western and older countries and more financially stable

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countries do this and achieve it. It becomes way more easier for us in Africa to replicate.

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Yesterday, I had the news of China commissioning the first generation for reactor, a high temperature

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gas code reactor. And it gives me this so much positive emotion that China being one of Africa's

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major business partner, we are on the right track. Africa is on a very right track and

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it's PD1 to achieve its nuclear energy targets. So tell us more about the role of nuclear energy

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in climate change mitigation and why it is very important that we are represented at COP 28.

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I noticed I don't know if this is right for me to say so, but I noticed that the nuclear community

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at COP 28 are the most vocal ones. Yeah, I see a whole lot of social media engagement from the

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nuclear community talking about climate change and all of that. So I don't know if there were other

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communities at COP 28. So we are the nuclear, even the nuclear community, I've probably seen the world

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a more safe and net zero energy generation. I don't know what the other guys are offering, but

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let's how do we achieve this more? How do we achieve that? Or why are you looking for like why

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we're looking at that? Why is it important? Why exactly why is it important? And one rule, what exact

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rule does nuclear energy play in the whole climate change mitigation? Okay, perfect. Yeah. So the

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biggest thing with climate change mitigation is we want to prioritize this change to zero carbon

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or emissions free energy, that sort of thing to reduce the amount of carbon in the atmosphere

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ultimately. But what we struggle with with this as well in this consideration of this energy

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transition is reliable energy. It's something that we are a society that now kind of is starting

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to rely on energy and electricity overall. And because of that, it's got to be available. It's

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got to be accessible as we continue to build new sources of energy. And nuclear is one of the most

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reliable forms of energy. It's also emissions free. So it checks both of those boxes sustainably.

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So when it comes to that, that base load source of power, the type of power that needs to always

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be on and always be available, nuclear can fill that role. And then from there, we can continue

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building more renewables to continue supporting the grid. And then we can continue building,

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you know, potentially even fossil fuels with carbon capture with the ability to remove the

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carbon that's produced. It's all about building a healthy, diverse energy portfolio. We can't

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rely on just one form of energy to produce our grid. But nuclear has to be in the consideration

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to have that base load source of power that's reliable and always available.

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Interesting. Interesting. Nuclear energy has come so far. Yeah, this is almost six decades or

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more than six decades from the days of the first power reactors connected to grid to the...

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We've seen a lot of evolution in the industry when it comes to nuclear energy from new reactors,

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from more safety features, and all of this evolution. So how does this evolution come

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affect climate change? How do you think possible technology advancement and

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everything that comes with it, how does it help fight against climate change?

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The biggest thing is reducing the amount of carbon emissions into the atmosphere, right?

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With nuclear specifically, it's a massive amount of power just to be able to provide to an energy

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grid. You know, I look at here in the UAE, I mentioned the Baraka nuclear power plant nearby

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that powers 25% of the country. It's not a very small amount of land. Our population is going to

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continue to grow, which means our electricity demands and our agriculture demands are going to

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continue to grow. And agriculture, we need land. We need access to that land to be able to farm it,

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to feed these people. And then from there, we need to be able to continue to use electricity in a

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sustainable way. So we need this electricity to be available in massive amounts, but on small amounts

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of land. And that's where we'll be able to use nuclear as well in terms of helping with affecting

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climate change broadly. Okay, that's nice. So what are your hopes and aspirations for the future

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of nuclear energy and its role in combating climate change? I hope that this agreement that came out

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of COP28 to triple nuclear capacity by 2050 does come to fruition. You know, that is an ambitious

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goal. It is an exciting goal, but it is very, very possible. It's a very real possibility and exciting.

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So I would love to see ground being broken on building more new nuclear within the next five

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years in all of the countries that agreed in that agreement. So I am super excited for the future

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of nuclear energy. I hope it will get to the point where it powers. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be

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exciting. Provides high-paying jobs, good, good reliable energy for people and is an emissions

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free form. Thank you. So let's come to you being Miss America. So earlier you had said when you

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were 16, you were considering what do you want to do with your life? Do you ever think you would

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go into duty pageantry then? Well, Miss America is, you know, I'm not the most beautiful woman in

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America. We're not really a beauty pageant anymore. It's a scholarship organization. So I

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competed to help earn scholarships towards my degree in nuclear engineering. But it's also

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still has a great platform. Still is all about women leading and making change in their community.

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Hence why, you know, as Miss America, I'm talking a lot about nuclear energy. It's been so incredible

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to have this opportunity. I'm very, very thankful. I've loved my time as Miss America. I wrap it

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up in about a month. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that's that's interesting. So what's the interception

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of beauty and science? And, you know, there's this whole lot of stereotype and misconception about

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beauty queens and their intellectual ability. And now we are seeing a beauty queen who is

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a nuclear engineering major and advocating for nuclear energy. It's kind of, I don't know,

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I don't know, it's not something we are used to around the world. So what's the interception?

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What made you think that bringing beauty, which of course I am very, very happy you chose that

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path? Because when I first came across your profile on the internet, I was like, okay,

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does this does this tally does this match? Is it real? Is this a bot? Exactly. So I was like,

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okay, is she just using this as a front? But then I found that you are a nuclear engineering

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student. I'm like, no, this is different from from what we used to know. Because I know beauty

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queens pick up some form of advocacy, I guess it comes with a part of the program, I don't know.

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But you picking nuclear advocacy, what is the interception between beauty and science? And

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you chose nuclear as a beauty? Well, you know, honestly, there was very little to no interception

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between the Miss America program and nuclear energy overall prior to this year. But but but the

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important thing is is that it's exposing these two entirely different demographics to entirely

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different groups of people to each other. You know, that's one thing about nuclear. I always say,

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I think one of our fatal flaws is we love to talk, but we only seem to talk to each other

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within the industry, we stay very internal and we don't face outwards a lot. And as Miss America,

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the yeah, as Miss America, it's this really unique opportunity to talk about nuclear on an

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external facing front. Yeah, and so many other advocates. Yeah, it's really incredible. And so

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many other advocates are utilizing social media to continue to do the same thing. It's this whole

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team of people that are really changing that perception of making sure that nuclear

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is communicating externally and educating people. You really made a comment that I share the same

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sentiment with you on we are in the nuclear industry are so focused on us. We don't seem to

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to spend so much time on orders on other industries. We are so related to other energy

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industries and then talking to them about why they should adopt nuclear. But you came from a whole

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different angle. So the people in the beauty pageantry, they are I think they are less concerned

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with the energy of the world. And now you are telling them about the energy of the world and

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then taking it a step further by saying nuclear energy is the most sustainable. We will get more

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sustainable energy from from the atoms and be good to us to that. Honestly, I would tell you

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wanting when I first came across you on the internet, honestly, I, it was so exciting. It

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was catchy. I couldn't just scroll past. I needed to know more about this person who is merging two

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parallel lines together. I was like, okay, beauty and science, please. Thank you very much for

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coming through this angle. And I'm very sure you're doing a great deal of work. So share with us what

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your role as in America, who is leveraging, who is raising awareness about nuclear. What is it like?

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How has it been the challenges, the opportunities, the stereotype you have to address, the

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confrontations and misconceptions you have to address? How has it been like?

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Well, it's been really incredible, I would say overall in all honesty. So I've been advocating

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for about four years and now this year since becoming Miss America, we've had about this year

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of tremendous wins within the nuclear industry. There are so many different countries that are

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looking to build new nuclear, Ghana included. And it's been awesome because when I approach people,

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people are open to learning about nuclear, especially with the young generation. Gen Z is,

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Gen Z's generational issue is climate change, right? Like that's the doom and gloom problem that

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Gen Z has. So young people now more than ever are open to learning about new types of energy

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sources to help fight climate change, to help mitigate climate change, and to help continue to

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treat our planet respectfully and fairly. That's interesting. That's interesting. So how has it

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been being a female advocating for nuclear in a traditionally male dominated industry? How has

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it been? Well, it's interesting. You know, it's definitely interesting because there have been

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times where it doesn't feel good, but overall ultimately, my favorite part was that I know

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that I'm inspiring the next generation of young women to go into this field. I look at the women

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who have been in this industry for 40 years already. And I always say that the women before me,

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they removed boulders, right? Hopefully, I'm only removing rocks. So my daughters only have to remove

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pebbles, you know, at the end of the day. I know I was like, oh, poetry, sign me up, you know, I'm

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totally there. But it's something that is really incredible because things are changing day by day

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and the nuclear industry is welcoming. It's inviting. It's always looking to develop and grow

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and build a more inclusive and diverse workforce overall. Yeah, that's interesting. So as a beauty

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thing, and at the same time, in nuclear engineering students, can you address one or two misconceptions

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and stereotypes that we have or reservations that a lot of us have towards beauty things when

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you talk about their intellectual capacities? Yeah, I guess one of the stereotypes that I have

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a lot is that people just don't expect Miss America to be an engineer. I wouldn't say people expect.

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Miss America and people don't expect it to be a STEM intensive role or something like that. But I

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honestly have had very good experiences where typically most of the time when I tell people I'm

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a nuclear engineering student and Miss America or when I talk about my role as an advocate within

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the nuclear sector, people are usually very, you know, it's changing their minds and all

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around is for people. Exactly. Well, at the end of the day, all I ask is that people, you know,

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just don't judge somebody based off their looks, don't judge somebody based off their physical

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appearance, just get to know them, have a conversation because all of a sudden, these

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people's perception of me changes within literally 30 seconds of talking to me. So one of the things

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I talk about is Miss America as I represent the women who can because I've had that stereotype

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kind of created in both ways, both as Miss America, but also, you know, prior to when I

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became prior to becoming Miss America, when I would tell people I'm a nuclear engineer,

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I would have people all the time be like, Oh, so you just sit in your room and code all day, right?

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But that's not true at all. Like it's not true at all, you know, it's something that I, you know,

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I'm a human being with depth with hobbies, with emotions. I'm a competitive water skier. I'm a

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classical violinist. I love to hike, spend time outdoors. Actually, one of the first things

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I want to tell you is one of the first things I'm doing after Miss America in February, I'm going

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to Tanzania, going to go to Mount Kilimanjaro, spend time in the same place. So I am super excited.

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Yeah. So like all of these things that, you know, it makes a human being taking the time to have

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conversations to get to know them and have that have that friendship is so, so important. So that's

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one of the biggest things that I really have been trying to represent throughout my years, Miss America

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is treating people fairly in that respect.

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Tell us about your going to Tanzania sparked my interest. Maybe if we can get some

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nuclear advocates in Tanzania to come along with you, if that makes sense.

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Oh my gosh. That would be awesome. That would be awesome.

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Yeah, it's nice.

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We can make it happen on the same day.

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You can slide the flag over there.

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Okay. Okay. We can discuss this for the outflowers.

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So what message do you have for young women who are interested in pursuing careers in science

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and technology, especially those in nuclear related field?

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Yeah. The biggest thing, first of all, is find your passion. I find that most of the time within

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nuclear, you know, nuclear engineering is my major, but we don't need just nuclear engineers.

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We need lawyers. We need doctors. We need firefighters on site.

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We need security. We need technicians. We need operators.

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Like nuclear is a place that genuinely anybody can be there.

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Anybody can work in this industry.

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No matter your passion, find that passion, what you can do for the next 40, 50 years of life,

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and hold on to it. Love it. Enjoy it.

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and then I try and convince them to serve the mission of nuclear, right?

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Helping fight climate change, helping create reliable energy, and help give people high

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paying and reliable jobs. And that's something that is really awesome.

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So my biggest piece of advice, find your passion. And then the second part, stay curious.

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You know, never stop learning. There is so much incredible stuff in the world that never stop

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learning. It's awesome.

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Never. That's true. That's true. So inclusion and diversity is a thing

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in the nuclear industry. The industry generally is trying every possible day to be open to everyone.

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So in the course of your advocacy, how have you addressed this?

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right? Like even just looking at women to men, 14% of the industry is women.

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So that's a very small amount. It's very, very small. But the thing is, is that

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it's a growing industry. It's a changing industry. And unfortunately, change doesn't happen overnight.

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And I think about my experience as a woman. And like I mentioned earlier, you know, there has

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been challenges or has been struggles. But ultimately, there is improvement. I compare

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my experience to women who got into this industry 40 years ago, and I have had a much,

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much better experience. So it's about continuing to, continuing to teach people, you know, how to

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treat others with respect, how to make sure that we're treating women, minorities, you know,

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different backgrounds with equality in the workplace as well. I always talk about how

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I personally believe the best teams of people in a workplace are made up of people from different

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backgrounds, from different socioeconomic statuses, from different, you know, different ways that they

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were raised because they have different abilities and different processes that lead to creating the

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best products. That's what makes the best teams. And that's what delivers great nuclear power for

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people to use. Okay. That's interesting. So are there specific women you look up to in the nuclear

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industry? Well, I specifically, I admire a lot of different women. I admire a lot of different

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people overall, I would say actually. And I really look up to Susan Eisenhower. She's one of my

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mentors and everything. She is a phenomenal, phenomenal woman. The granddaughter of President

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Dwight D Eisenhower from the United States. So it's been an incredible experience and

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kind of awesome women that are absolute rock stars in the nuclear sector overall.

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We're coming in an icon too. Yeah. So we could look up to you and

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the younger generation to look up. We're actually looking up to you already.

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Thanks. I appreciate it. I said, third, it's interesting because I'll have girls like message

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me on social media and they'll be like, you know, I never really considered a career in nuclear and

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now I am because of you. And I always sit there and it's so strange because like I'm 21 years old,

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like I'm just out here living life. Like I'm just like the rest of us, right? Where I'm just having

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fun and trying to do good in the world. And it's really crazy to know that you can make that impact

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on people. And I personally don't believe, you know, you don't have to be Miss America to make

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that impact on people. You don't have to be a nuclear engineer to have that impact on people.

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Being a role model just comes from being a good person. Yeah, that's correct. So let's talk about

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you are while you in an industry that it's do not not old but old enough. So how is it be?

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How has it been being a youth in the nuclear industry? What is the hope? What is the future

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of youth and youth leadership in shaping the future of nuclear energy across the world?

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Yes, working in this industry, helping, you know, to kind of fight this fight

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towards supporting nuclear because right now we are in this circumstance where the building blocks

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of having this huge nuclear expansion is in place. You know, here at COP28, we've seen that agreement

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be signed. We're seeing different reactors across the world be opened up. And that's something that

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is huge, but we've got to have the workforce to support it. And it's up to us as young people to

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supply that workforce to be that workforce and to help make sure that these power plants have

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the right staff and good staff to operate them. Okay, that's nice. So what as a nuclear engineering

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student? Share your thoughts on the role of technology and innovation in advancing the

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nuclear industry, considering that this industry is one that is a lot of automation and innovation

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will do us more good. There is AI and machine learning and it's like the wave now. And there

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was this whole discussion on crypto coming into the nuclear industry and the crypto technology.

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We are having nuclear batteries and all of this. So as a nuclear engineer, what are your thoughts on

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the role of technology and innovation in advancing a nuclear industry, considering how far we have

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come? I mean, technology and innovation pretty much is the nuclear industry, right? Looking at

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these generation four reactors that are opening up across the world and looking at this next

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generation of small modular reactors and micro reactors that are in this construction and

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licensing process as well. It's been exciting because there are so many ways to get involved.

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If you love the engineering side and the design side and the physics side of nuclear science,

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great. We need that help on the technology and innovation part of it. It's incredible because

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we have reactors that are using totally different materials that are gas-cooled, like lead-cooled,

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sodium-cooled, all of these crazy materials that you would have never thought would be possible.

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But it's through technology and innovation that we're continuing to improve reactor designs because

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that's what we want to do. We want to continue making it better. We want to continue optimizing

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nuclear and continue to deliver it to be the best that it can be. Okay. So this is Afrinu podcast

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and its major focus is on the African continent. So what do you have for us here on the side of the

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world who are in the nuclear industry? Well, it has been so exciting to meet so many people from

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Africa here at COP28. I just want to mention that and a lot of them are nuclear advocates.

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Oh, thank you. I mentioned that countries like Ghana are looking at building new nuclear within the

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next five years, which is so exciting. That's reliable energy, that's sustainable energy,

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and that's high-paying jobs for people to work at that power plant as well. So we are, you know,

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I'm not a government official, but I know that the United States is working with Africa closely

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on developing new nuclear in countries across all of Africa. So it's been so exciting because I know

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the people of Africa are looking to explore nuclear and are excited about it. We are excited about

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it. We've seen how good it is. We've seen the case studies and major successes and we want to be

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part of it. We want to share in the success of this very interesting and intriguing industry.

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So exciting. That's so exciting. So can I ask about that though? Because I, like, I obviously, I

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haven't been to Africa yet and it's something that it's been on my list. I want to, like I said,

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with February and going to the end of the week. You're welcome. You're welcome. So how long, how,

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what is the setting like in Africa in terms of supporting nuclear? Has it been like this for

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a while where people have been wanting nuclear for a while? I guess what does that timeline look like?

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A lot of countries in Africa are adopting nuclear at a very speedy rate. So thinking about

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countries like Egypt, Morocco, South Africa is operating through nuclear power reactors and its

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contributes almost 10 percent of its energy supply. Ghana is only a very fast one. Ghana and Kenya,

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I am very sure, are only very fast ones. But from the North America, we have Morocco and Egypt.

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From West Africa, it's Ghana and Nigeria. Nigeria, yeah, we are trying our best. I think that's the

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best way to put it. We are trying our best. But Ghana seems to be ahead. But yeah, we are coming.

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certain, are making every effort to join in the league. We had representatives and delegates at

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COP28. I am not sure if they joined the pledge, but yeah, I'm sure Nigeria is on the way to join.

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But when it comes to advocacy, a lot of work still needs to be done. I was at a conference last week

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where I had to talk to these professors, actually to interest you, they were all professors of

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physics. Yeah, so they were mostly majored in geophysics and solid state physics. So I had to

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talk to them about nuclear energy and men, the opposition was just too much. So it goes beyond

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them not understanding how the nuclear industry works. It has to do with, there's this Nigerian

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thing that we have, and they haven't gotten over it. I want to say trust issues or something like that.

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So I'm sure when they're able to get over their trust issues, which they have against the government,

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not particularly the nuclear industry. This is a trust issue they have against the government.

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So when they're able to conquer that, I'm very sure that we embrace nuclear energy and nuclear

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technology by extension. The problem, it's not really nuclear, the problem is people not having

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faith in the government and the government's ability to handle such sensitive and delicate

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industry. If I may add to that, I was in Ghana last week, yeah, I'm crossing into this week as

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well, some parts of this week. So the system of government in Ghana right now is quite stable,

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and that tells you why they are way advanced in their process of getting the nuclear power plant.

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I was in a Bitcoin conference and we are just only two advocates, nuclear advocates there.

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One guy from Canada, Ryan McLoid and I, so we're like one of the greatest highlights of that program,

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because they've not heard anything like nuclear and when we started talking to them, like when he

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was in a panel talking about the impute and what nuclear can do, we got the news like, I think,

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a day after, a day before his panel, we got the news about the 22 countries and Ghana being one of

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them signing up to the triple in the nuclear capacity. And being what it is, Ghana has been a

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stable country for quite a while now, politically stable, economically advancing as well. And it

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was quite a very easy buying for them to get nuclear and coming to Africa maybe. Africa is kind

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of very hungry for progress, if I may say, and we are receptive of anything that will make us advance

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from anywhere. And we also have nuclear reactor, research reactors operating in different parts

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of Africa, like in Nigeria, we've been operating nuclear reactor for research for more than a decade

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and also in Ghana and also in other parts of Africa. So the knowledge about nuclear technically is

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there in Africa, technical knowledge, yes, but getting it to be a nuclear power plant is a little

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bit not meeting up to power with the progress in the rest with the rest part of the world. And

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there are different things that contribute to that. But doesn't discount the fact that we are

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making progress, we are getting the Egyptis, as she said, getting it online. And South Africa,

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they are already leading the whole of Africa and also hoping to add to that fleet. And yeah,

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Kenya is making good progress. Tanzania is also like, edging towards Uganda as well. So you can see

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that there is a lot of kind of awareness. There's also a lot of hopes for different parts of Africa

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to get into the nuclear power plant kind of operating business. And we can't wait really,

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like a lot of technical guys who have been trained in Africa in different parts of the world, in US,

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in Canada, just name it. Some of them are already working in those companies, in startup companies

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in US. And some of them are kind of contributing to the brain drain in Africa, you know, like you

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get trained and you don't have what to work with. You just have to maybe either become Miss America

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or become Mr. American, stuff like that. You have to go for something else or wear to apply

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your knowledge. You get what I'm saying. There is, the knowledge is there, but we need to like talk

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to the policymakers to like move faster than just talking to get policies in place so that we can

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get this nuclear power plants to work. Or I don't know if I'm like making justice to the question

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you asked. Hello Grace, are you there? Yeah, no, yeah, that's valid. That's completely valid. I,

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that answers the question. It's just so fascinating to learn because I, like I said, I'm like, it's

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something that I, it's incredible to know that the people are hungry, the knowledge is there,

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like it's wanted. And what I've said for so long is what we need at this point in time is like

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overwhelming public support for nuclear. And I feel like the place that that's going to exist is,

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is definitely going to start within Africa. And I think that's incredible.

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Okay, so I think this is the time to get questions from the audience. And I don't know

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among those who are with us, this is the first of its kind life audience participation podcast

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in this endeavor. So I don't know if anybody in the audience has something to say, maybe a question

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or a comment to Miss America. This is a rare privilege. Please shoot your shoots. Anyone?

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Kindly unmute and ask your question. Okay. Okay, since nobody had a question, which means we are all

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kind of very, very engrossed and very interested in the connection of being well and sad. So to

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conclude, I don't know if you want to have any last words and maybe the future, like if you want to

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say anything, kind of to cap what we have. Someone speaking. Hello, Dr. Flavius, you want to say

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something? Yeah. Okay. My problem. I just want to express my appreciation, though I joined in

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Verily Lead, such a rare privilege to have you live with Miss America and your moderator.

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The future is nuclear. The future is nuclear. Yeah. I love it. Thank you so much.

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You should stick about it. It's a pleasure having you all. Thank you so much.

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Thank you. I appreciate it. It's my pleasure. I love it. Okay, we get, we get that you are trying

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to express how excited you are to join the conference or to join the podcast this time.

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So yeah, your voice is not clear, but we get that you are trying to comment on your participation.

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So yeah, you're welcome always. Like, yeah, I think we just have to conclude now or if any other

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person has a comment or question, please unmute and chime in. Sorry, my prof. Can I say a word or two?

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Yeah, you said already, but yeah, you can say again if you want.

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I just want to add another one. I hope you will still organize more of these sessions again for

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our young people who are getting more and more interested in the nuclear field.

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Sure, sure. We will do that. Yeah. Yeah, you got me looking forward to that. Thank you very much.

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Thank you so much, my prof. All right. Perfect. Yeah. Okay. I give it to Geraldine,

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please continue and conclude. Thank you. Thank you, Grace, for honoring our invitation.

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It was a great pleasure having you on this live podcast. I am sure every of our listeners today

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and those who will listen to the recording afterwards, we will be very, very appreciative

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of your time and the knowledge you have shared with us. Thank you very much and thank you for

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representing the nuclear community in COP28. Thank you for being a beauty queen in the

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nuclear industry, addressing biases and stereotypes. Thank you so much for what you do in advocacy.

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Thank you so much for being a human we can look up to in the nuclear industry. We hope it keeps

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getting better and better and better. So enjoy your time at Dubai. Thank you for being part of

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this podcast section. Well, thank you so much. It has been such an honor to be here. You're welcome.

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All right. So thank you, everyone who made it to this podcast. We are happy. We appreciate your

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presence and your time despite being an early morning podcast section. Thank you for making

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our time to join us. All right. Bye-bye. Thank you so much. Bye-bye.