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Welcome to the podcast. It's your trusty host James with another polarized episode. It is

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polarized podcast. We're talking about polarizing movies according to rotten tomatoes. Audiences

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love it, critics hate it or vice versa. Everyone disagrees on how they feel about these movies.

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And this one, ladies and gentlemen, is a legendary polarizing movie in my mind. It has seen it all

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every type of opinion has already been laid out for it. We're coming in years, years late. And

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we're bringing it back from the dead to revive it and discuss it yet again. And see how we feel

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about it. It's standing at a certified fresh from critics 91% on rotten tomatoes and poopy doopy

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42 from audience. Let's get right into it. Let me bring in the man of the hour. Ladies and

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gentlemen, Darth Brandini.

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Yeah, screw you.

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This movie, I love that. I love that idea of you just rolling up into into the meeting of of the

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dark forces of the universe. You're so yeah, what's up, motherfucker? Yeah, fuck you. Wow,

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that guy is really fucking evil. He's like, yeah, flipping everyone up. Oh, big time. That's how I

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feel. What kind of power if you like, like you start with that? Like what is the power of his

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middle finger? My insides or strip with my middle finger.

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That's it is like a weird that's like a road rage Jedi mind trick that people are trying to play on

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each other. Yeah, it is. Isn't it? Yeah, well, there's just what body language is, is just force

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Jedi mind tricks that we've all in social norms and all the way we communicate with each other

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brand is really totally right. They're just making noises at each other and people get it. Yeah,

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right. God. Let's just let's just meditate on that. I just if you guys haven't been to this

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podcast, we start every podcast with thinking just a moment of meditation. Yeah, moment of time

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spent. It's just this is there's so much to get into. And it's a little overwhelming. I don't have

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to get into everything. We don't. Everyone already did. We can just be we can voice our opinions for

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sure. Yes, we'll go through it. But I'm glad you're giving me the opportunity to feel however I want

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to feel about this because I kind of need the space on because I feel a lot of things and we're

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gonna like spoiler alert, we're gonna patently disagree, I think on a lot of things. I think so.

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Let's just want to start it on a nice happy note. Yeah, let's start it on a nice happy note by

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saying, Yeah, today is a good day. I'm, you know, always. Yeah, I'm man. Let's talk about let's start.

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Yeah, we're gonna start with Force Awakens because you and I saw that movie together. Do you remember

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that? We did? Yeah, I do. Yeah, absolutely. I remember it. Yeah. And I remember enjoying it.

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Um, actually, you know, so more like more so yeah, more than I thought I would because I wasn't

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really a big fan of the prequels. Even though Yeah, I don't know. It's just it's these properties are

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so fascinating that we're more like Lord of the Rings guys and Star Wars guys. I would I would

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qualify myself a little bit more. I would say property out there. But those three Lord of the

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Rings movies I've nerded out over more than anything, I think. Yeah, I know. I agree. Yeah.

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But the thing is, is I've seen every single one of these movies, most of them in the theaters,

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which I can't really say for Yeah, every franchise. I mean, this is just it's something

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that's always like, okay, well, we're gonna go see that Star Wars movie. You know, we got to go see

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that Star Wars movie more. It's an event. It's an event. And at a point, it's like, it's like a

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weird obligation. Yeah, absolutely. Definitely. So and to the end, really, because of this system,

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because this was, you know, movies like this would come out, you know, every, you know, every so

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often, not every so often, it would come out in a string. But we are just we've been in this time

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period of so much Star Wars content all the time. And I'm just so incredibly fatigued on it, just

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like with all the Marvel stuff, because Disney scooped it up at the same time as Marvel, and

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they've just pumped it out, man. It's it's yeah, I was always it is always so bitter to because I'm

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like, we get a James Bond movie every fucking nine years or whatever, which would you prefer,

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though? Yeah, would you want something like this, where they're just pumping out?

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Shit. Well, I don't know. Maybe not this is the best example. But like, these three movies as a

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whole is bullshit, man. Like, as a trilogy, like we can agree on that, like how they how they

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structure this this whole thing did not pan out, I think even how they wanted to and it just blows

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my mind how you can have so much power at your fingertips and resources and the story just eludes

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you in such a way. And in my mind, it is from a you know, people like we love James Bond as a

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franchise have been around forever. And we know that there's movies that fall prey to I'm sure

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they sit around at the boardroom. They're like, okay, like for this bond, like, what do we need?

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Like what before we even start with the story? Like, what does it need in this? And they'll start

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like a checklist of like, okay, it needs this, it needs that and needs this. And then we can

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fasten the story around these tent poles of things that the fans want and need. And that's where

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things get kind of dicey. And this is an interesting one where the fans fucking hate it and critics

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love it. And I think it's because it's removing some of those tent poles and been trying to

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subvert and deconstruct things. But like, this is the sequel to a movie it's already establishing

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so much. So it's not really the one to be doing that. It's so unfortunate. And the planning of it

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is just still is so silly to me how it panned out this way. Yeah, because I mean, yeah, because this

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is now Disney property and they have already acquired Marvel who has successfully and really

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the only only production company, property owners and like operators of franchises that successfully

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did a multi movie arc that people love and respect, because it was able to hit all the beats,

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incorporate all of these properties together in order to tell a pretty cohesive story. Sure,

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there were like some that were like, you know, it kind of was like some, some are not so great,

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others were great, you know, so there was a little unevenness movie by movie. But I mean,

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I think they brought it home in their like overall arc really well. I just recently watched again,

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the you know, end game and infinity war in your in your life. Yeah, those are amazing for their

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their scope. It doesn't. Yeah, because it just and then also to allow it like it set itself up so

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well to just pay off like a slot machine throughout it, where it's just so like, you know, so fun to

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be like, Oh, yeah, like, yeah, uh, this person. Oh, yeah, we did this in that movie. And now they're

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here and all that stuff. And to then have a pretty clear point about what the villains purposes have

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and be relatively nuanced and interesting and accomplish it. And yeah, so like,

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you know, that is the villain accomplishes his plan to I love that aspect. I love that.

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And infinity were staying strongly for me for having the and everyone already kind of like knew

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that was going to happen. Like there's going to be the snap and people are going to get and it's

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just like so satisfying to see these characters that they're so precious about just like off a

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bunch of them all at once and then end the movie that way. And you know, they're coming back and

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they do. And, and Tony doesn't make it but right. That moment was was bold and that's like an empire

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strikes back. You know, which the ending was not something that was like uplifting necessarily was

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still like, it was ominous. And you find out the twist of the of the faja departure. And

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that leaves you I don't know wanting more and looking forward to the conclusion and how

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successful Yeah, like Return of the Jedi or what's the what's the third prequel I like I like that

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one. Damn it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Revenge of the Sith, Revenge of the Sith or rise of the Skywalker,

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how that how successful those ones are at completing the trilogy is is fascinating. But

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overall, yeah, I'm just saying like the the sequel, it's it's it's nice when in movies in general,

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when it trusts you well enough to be like, the story's not finished yet. And you're just going

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to have to sit tight for a bit on this note and and and sit with it and trust people will will be

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able to handle it. And yeah, maybe two towers could fit there. There are two. Yeah,

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absolutely. That ending frustrated me and if I can grab a trail one more time. Sure.

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Sure. Sure. I don't have to know you didn't want sure. Yeah, no, I really did not care for those.

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Those are frustrating. Like it's called Desolation of Smaug. Oh, right. And it ends with like the

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dragon escaping. Oh, it's coming towards the town is like, oh, the Desolation is coming. It's called

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Desolation of Smaug. And that's where that movie ends of like, oh, the dragons lose. Oh, it's coming

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to that town. Oh, no. And it's like, and then it ends. And then that's where the the battle,

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the five armies or starts with a dragon destroying a town and just battles the rest of the movie.

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And that's like a Matrix of Evolutions. A lot of battles, too. I'm glad we're covering everything

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and we cover that movie. Let's see. So let's find let's find the thread there as to what what works

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about those and what doesn't work about those. Because I think that came to mind when you brought

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up the the original Star Wars series Empire Strikes Back. Something that stuck out to me is why I think

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the reveal of Darth Vader being Luke's father is great and such a wonderful reveal that is a can

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be the connective tissue that carries you to the third and final installment is because that doesn't

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really have anything to do with the overall plot. It is all in service of character development for

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Luke because he is on a journey that we're following along across three movies that makes

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that it makes relatively clear sense of like, you know, the the classic the hero's arc.

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And that is just a aiding and abetting in Luke realizing that, you know,

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he could easily be his father if he were to choose a different path. But now he is then presented with

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the option like he's presented with what his reality could be if he were to go down that path.

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And then he chooses the he chooses the opposite or chooses a different path. And then that's what

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the third one is all about is really just kind of a reconciliation of who he's going to be as the

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next leader of the Jedi, which then gets us into this because he is really kind of leaving the

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by and large where Return of the Jedi ends and give or take, I don't know, probably like, well,

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maybe like realistically the amount of time since Return of the Jedi, since Return of the Jedi,

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right, like in actual time. Yeah, if you look at him, he's aged real real time and

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time and very much this movie. And I'd be interested in almost like to go to like discuss

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in the kind of like the at least the first half of the movie, the people are kind of saying,

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first half of the movie, the people are kind of separated and yes, of course. So if we can kind

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of hone in on the the Luke and in rape, rape part. Yeah, right. But before we do that, though,

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I should have been before I'm going to go. Oh, yeah, go for it. We will know. No worries. We'll

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be right back. So, yeah, we're back. We're talking race. Yes, we're let's get right into the like

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really what sets the tone for the movie. My necklace came in. I'm well, yeah, dude,

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look at that necklace is very dope. Can you run me through some of those terms? I have a.

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So I have a money stack, a slice of pizza and then a peace sign. Cool. Can you like

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add more? Are you going to add more stuff or is pretty much done deal? I could. I don't know.

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We'll see. That's cool, man. But yeah, we were I was kind of like talking about we are back.

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I was talking about the kind of parallel that, of course, and that was like the first thing I told

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you. I remember when we saw Force Awakens driving home, I was like, that was a new hope.

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Re-re-re-repurposed, you know, and for better, for worse. But you it's the beats are so similar

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and much the same way. This is Ray going to get mentored by and by a hermit living in a swamp,

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you know, which is I guess it's a very similar island sort of thing. But yeah, Yoda to Luke,

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Luke to Ray. And that is that chunk of the movie, which is one of my favorite parts is the whole

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Luke Ray stuff. So I was curious what you felt about that. Yeah, I felt very bad about it. Yeah,

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I did not care for a lot of how Luke is characterized in this movie. Is that something

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that's that's a safe assumption? Yeah, I take issue with it as well, because even my

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dad wants a good issue with it. Yeah, as well as he should, because it really like the way that the

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Force Awakens leads it up is it's just he's such an important person for the overall objective to

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eliminate like eliminating the First Order, which is the uprising, which there was a lot of things

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at play that were really fascinating about this new world building that they did, because it kind

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of just makes me think of, you know, this reality, the reality that we live in of this all right,

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insurgents and neo-Nazi ism, and fascism just becoming, you know, more of a like,

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I'm for I got to hate saying it, but popular. And so, you know, having the First Order be these,

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you know, stormtrooper, Nazi looking people like that they always kind of represented,

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you know, that first movie is really just about somebody that comes from, you know, meager

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beginnings, just like in the classic series. Yeah, ends with her being like now she has a

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better understanding of what her purpose is, at least in the sense of I'm going to seek out

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somebody who is going to be able to guide me better on this journey than I'm on. And then

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your whole point of the first movie was finding the whole point of the first movie was to find

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Luke. That's all the Force Awakens was about. And then to get there and then immediately treated as

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a joke as a as a like that's that gives a chin. Yeah, that's what you do. You do it do as well.

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I so I thought about that. I'm glad that you brought that up because I did think about that

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because when Luke does in the original series meet Yoda, he his whole like energy Yoda's energy

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about this is that you're building up all of these people your like you have all these preconceived

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notions in your head about what Jedi Master should be, what it means to be a Jedi and he just is,

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you know, tear the past down. That's what Kylo wants to do. That's what that's what Yoda is

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saying. And that's what this movie is is theming is kind of representing as well. And that's

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something that I'm riding that wave of what it's it's telling me in the in the text and they are

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using Luke to prove this point. And a lot of people take issue with that, which is exactly what the

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people in the movie are so frustrated with Luke about is like, you're this you're this great hero,

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you're this great legend, you've done all these great things, you got to be this way, you got to

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do this thing. And that's exactly what all these fucking Star Wars fans are saying to like, oh,

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Luke, you're this you're the hero of my childhood. This is who you are. You're the hero incarnate,

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Joseph Campbell, incarnate hero of like, what you need to be. But it's just so much more fascinating

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to deconstruct him as a man and his faults and failures, even so much so as having the

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force power enough to see this darkness in the student that he was training and have and have a

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fault like he fucked up. And he was caught in that moment. And that story how they change it three

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times is interesting. But they he's he's caught in that moment and things fall around him. But

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he had the intuition correct in a lot of ways. But then his choice in the matter and how he

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showed up like that could have affected it as well. And that could have been the main thing

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that made Kylo evil. But overall, just to get back to Luke, I like how he and that's what he's trying

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to tell her the whole time of like, it's it's just he's and he's embarrassed and he's going out going

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out to be a hermit because I think he is embarrassed of his actions and everything. And he does feel

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like responsible. And I just I don't know, like to have somebody that's just going to come in and be

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exactly who he's been all throughout the original trilogy, it's been however many years and

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everybody's all separated like Luke and Leia and Han. And that fracturing is more interesting than

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just like all of them are still together doing their thing on the Millennium Falcon, running

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around like as they always have been. Like I like the fact that it's able to echo Empire Strikes

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back with Yoda and also put a spin on the lore and the and the classic character that is naturally

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going to upset people. And I totally get why people would be upset because they're taking

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something they love and being like, it doesn't fucking matter. Let's burn it all down. And

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you're Yeah, it's like you you put too much faith in these in these legends.

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When they are just men and there's this I read the Dune books recently too. And that was like

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kind of Dune Messiah kind of did that the second Dune book after like all the Paul stuff like

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and I was nerding out about that and I don't know. That's my take on it. But I heard that.

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No, that's fair. Yeah, that's kind of echo. Yeah, through the critics and if that is the

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stance that you- If Lord of the Rings came back and Vigo was like a shitty king, I'd be like, wow,

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that's you better do that well because that's an interesting way to do that. And for people to be

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like, yeah, you got to really do that well if you're going to take that big of a swing and it's a

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big swing. But I just prefer that than just doing the same shit over again. And that was

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that was just more interesting to me. So that's that would be my piece about the the Hamel Luke

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stuff. But that's fair. Yeah, I because I understand that that's the side that's the side that I am

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at odds with. And that is the mentality that is the counterpoint to me being like, man, it really

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like because immediately I'm like, oh, man, it really sucks that he doesn't give a shit about

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anything and that we spent all spent time, you know, really overcoming great odds to get here.

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And then it's completely devalued. And there isn't any there isn't any gravitas or any

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like importance placed on, you know, the ability to get there to.

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I don't know, also, too, with so much time spent on that island, you know, how little he has thought

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about all the other options and it's just, you know, really let kind of pessimism reign.

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Yeah, be like his his whole it's ugly. Yeah, like his whole character now is just a bitter old man

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because it just really flies in the face of what he knows. Like, yeah, I get it. You're like, I get

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a part of the point that, you know, you got to up your own ass. And that was your detriment. You were

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like, this is all important. It has to be this way, yada yada. And then Kylo comes around and

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shakes that like foundation or goes against him. And that creates a rift and a problem of like,

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oh, right. Like, I'm not just training Jedi, I'm potentially training Sith here, and really coming

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to terms with nature versus nurture sort of thing of like, was he always like that? Did I instill

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that final, you know, the final act of me possibly threatening to kill him? Did was that the final

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thing that turned him over? Or was he already going that way? And it's the that's a good.

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That's a really good question, though, because I mean, his parents are Han Solo and Leia. So what

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do you think was and grand grand grand daddy is what do you think the draw was the draw for

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like for Kylo to be evil? That is really seemed like it. It definitely handled. It'd be great

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if the movie got into some of that. Yeah, because it made reference to it. But I was like, oh, this

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is really shitty way to do this because what if the Knights of Rem and stuff, all that originality

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in the Knights of Rem and stuff, all that origin shit would be like to get a little bit more of

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that. Right. Like who are who are these other ostensibly right like other. Well, he said that

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acolytes, right? Had already turned him, I believe, is now I'm remembering is what he said of like,

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like, Snoke already turned him. So there was no hope. And then like, yes, he's a scared little

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little boy. But then even Ray says to Luke is that he's not gone. Like your downfall there was to

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assume that there was no other path right other than what you envision being, you know, his,

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his end or whatever. The fable legend, the fallible hero is just such I don't know, that's a

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dynamic, interesting concept for me. But to apply it to Luke Skywalker, yeah, leading after this

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first movie, it is a little bit of a fuck you. I'm sure in a lot of these fans minds, and doesn't

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really jive with the trilogy and kind of doesn't at all. That's the part because the first and

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third one, JJ Abrams, like he's trying to wrap up in the third one, like what he set up in the first

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and that Ryan Johnson takes a detour in this one to not really cover. And I believe that he was

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going to have another trilogy to himself. I'm not sure if that's still happening. But I don't think

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so. But maybe I don't know. But it is so interesting, because we've I think we mentioned

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this before, but then there's been this thing for Marvel. And this is kind of a really good example

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of it, too, right? Because Ryan Johnson going into directing a Star Wars movie. I mean, God,

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he had directed what two movies. This is after like Looper, right? Looper. This is after Looper.

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And then before that was Safety Not Guaranteed, which is such an incredibly small movie,

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which it deals with time travel. And there's that's just funny, because both of those do

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have sci fi elements. So I guess that's why you kind of like get him into the conversation.

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But the point I'm making is, is that these major studios, and Marvel being the biggest perpetrator

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of it, have gone with this like process and, you know, methodology. And I think mainly because of

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a lot of like 2000s faux pas that we had, where you're just like, oh, we're just going to get a

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well known action director to come in and do these movies. And then they end up being like really

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middling, really bloated, expensive, not not something that sticks around. It's like people

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go to see it in the theaters, but then they forget about it the second they leave. And Marvel, again,

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in particular was like, for these movies, we're going to pick these more artistic directors or

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indie directors and give them the because like, and this movie is also an amazing example of it is like,

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sure, Ryan Johnson's the director, but there's so much about the production of this movie that

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is like on rails, like you are going to get a movie that looked like this almost irrespective

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of Ryan Johnson, at least the action sequences and a lot of the other like background stuff of

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the way that it looked is like you're going to get like there. This is a well oiled machine.

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It was interesting that he even incorporated lens lens flares. And I was wondering if JJ Abrams

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like he got to get a get that lens flare in motherfucking. It's just not Benicio like a

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prison or whatever like fucking can't see. Benicio in this another just man, they must just have

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a good time there. They're there. I they just I mean, obviously, Benicio loves money. So why would

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he want to fuck up a good thing? But it's just funny how he's in so much like of these like he's

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part of like the Disney's days and he's in the collector or whatever. And he's able to be in a

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Star Wars movie and movies with him is just he looks like he's having so much fun in those roles

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and he's doing such a great job as well of like being like understanding the assignment and

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knowing like, I can get pretty weird with this and choose some of the scenery. There's a lot

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of scenery here. Like I make say, I could say out of the shit that he's given. I mean, that stutter

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and there's a moment where you know that wasn't written in the script. Oh, no. Oh, no. I love

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this. You know, it is like I got I got a couple of things that I'm bringing to the table and then

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people are just like, get out of the way of Benicio because he's just he's making choices. Do you think

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blip blap bloop was in the script? Because that's one of my favorite moments. I mean, what I know

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about that he just like throws that he like reads it once and throws it away and is just like, okay,

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I got this. It's really great how I'm not precious. He gives it because yeah, like sometimes Ray and

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Finn are just and that's who their characters are. It's like, this is the most important moment of my

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life. And it's like, and it's worse. Like I am the hero of this story and I'm going to do the right

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thing. Right. And it's like so flat and to have this incredibly and that's why like movies like

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or the shows like Mandalorian and and or are doing so well. You see these seedy sides of of Star Wars

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and I think this one taps into it as well. But before I get to some of that stuff, I wanted to

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talk about the other because there's the other portion that's kind of starting at the beginning

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is the Poe Holdo. Yeah. Who else? I mean, Finn is around. Not my favorite either. Yucky. Yucky.

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That's not my favorite. Yeah, it's like such a weird pacing. The all of this stuff is like such

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it's kind of just feels strangely drawn out and the fact that the ships and everything is like

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it doesn't. And and the thing that really for whatever reason, I can't put my finger on it.

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Like hold those character just doesn't work for me. No, it does. It does not read properly and I

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don't know what it is. And I understand like maybe the impetus is like trying to put this

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other new spin on like we're not going to have these trigger happy fucking pilots like Han Solo

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that are going to save the day with a single thing like we all have to stick together and do

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this as a community sort of thing. But the way that she comes across is like just unclear about

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how I as the audience member should feel about her. And maybe that's because she has a secret.

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That's the thing, right? She has a secret that she isn't telling anybody about. And so we're always

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just like a little unsure. What exactly is the secret of like the secret is that she knew that

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she was going to kill her. So I like that's the thing. Hold those that I'm fucking calling it.

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Right. Right. Oh, I never see a whole slice of the game after fucking twenty three ninety six.

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Holy shit. But that in particular, that was the coolest thing. But leading up to it, like I

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honestly hate that, though, James, that that that happened. That was that was the it doesn't save her

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character for me. I still don't know. Yeah. No, she's like with her and Iraq because

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I thought it would just win way more interesting. And this is where I will I would try to.

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I know everyone likes to rewrite this movie, but I just thought and when I watched it the first time,

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I'm like, she's fucking evil. She's for sure. Sure. Yeah. Like she's for sure. Like a mole or

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something like that. And Poe is going to like figure her out and then Poe's going to do the

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slice or some shit. Yeah. So she's actually the smartest person in the room. And she's got a

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Mars figure it out. Hero for the movie. And it's like I didn't feel. Yeah. And then like Leia comes

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back and then she's immediately immediately shoots Poe. And yeah, all that stuff. And then Leia coming

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back was like, does not work for me as as it made me very bad. Yeah, that doesn't work for me. One

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of my biggest, biggest fucks like this is I hate this the most because we had found out going into

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this that Carrie Fisher had passed away. Right. So there was a lot of hubbub, you know, leading up

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to this of like, oh, how are they going to deal with Carrie Fisher passing away? This is, you know,

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obviously they had planned for her to be in, you know, all three of these movies, yada, yada.

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And it was incredibly shocking to see this movie and go like, whoa, so they're going to kill her

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this way. Her son kills her. And like, we have to do that. Is it mattress side? Just both like.

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Right. Patricide, I think. That's for Han. And then is it mattress? Oh, yeah, that's.

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Oh, right. He's just. Yes. And that's like, wow, this guy's.

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Evil really do some shit. I love. We got it at some point. Yeah. Oh, my God. Can you put on a cowl?

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Or something stupid? I hate it. This is for. Yeah. I the humor in this. OK, so just to back it up

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real quick before we get into it. We said we said our pieces. We got anything more to say about

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Leia, the Leia thing. Oh, yeah. Like I was I was I. It frustrated me so much that instead of

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actually killing her in that moment, which I think that's what they should have done,

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because they should have just killed her because then that adds so much like to.

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Who Kylo is and what needs to be like dealt with from him, you know, what he has to deal with and

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what other people have to deal with him because of that to then introduce a force power we've

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never ever seen in the series of her being able to force fly through space was like I lost it.

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I almost fucking walked out of the theater when that happened, because not only do you just

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introduce something that is never like understood, explain whatever. You're also like, why bring her

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back? She's not as an actress, not there anymore. Like why like you? It blew me away that you wrote

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her doing that and then to write her back into it drove me banana. It was confusing.

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I hate it so much. But OK, so the comedy that she shares with with Luke is very fine. Yeah,

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but it seemed like that's. That's to me is the is part of the reason to have that final

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thing with those those two, at least sharing sharing a moment. But who knows?

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Yeah, I totally agree with you're saying I have the same.

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I have the same. You're talking about that.

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I mean, come on, don't give them a clear cut, beautiful ending.

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You want to subvert something, just be like, man, yeah, you know what people in your life fucking die

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and it's tough and you got to deal with it. Not this like force mirror image

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is bullshit that you go and say goodbye to everybody in such a buttoned up casual.

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Well, yeah, now I'm getting fucking.

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Error. OK, no, it doesn't.

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It doesn't fully work for me. And then it just incapacitates her for a bit.

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You get hold of. Right. And then it just kind of is like stalling, stalling, stalling people

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like they're just keep shooting, keep shooting and kind of dragging it out. But

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what did you think? Speaking of like new force stuff, what did you think about the connection

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that Snoke placed upon them? He's like, it was me. I'm not going to say how I did it or why or when,

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but I placed the connection between you two.

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It sounded like a broken record, but did not care for force phone calls.

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I kind of I liked it more. I wrote the note. This force phone call being had is dumb.

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I hate this. This is so stupid. I don't know why I liked it this time.

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I didn't I didn't like it as much the first time I saw it.

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And I was like, this is weird. But I think maybe because I knew it was coming.

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I was like, yeah, I was just more accepting to like the new stuff that he

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introduced in terms of force powers. And and it makes me.

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And I mean, if I can go back to the Luke thing for a second, like what he says to Ray really hit

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home for me and what this movie is trying to say as well of like something about like the force

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isn't for the force isn't just for the Jedi. It's for everyone. So like the last Jedi,

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it's like it's a force of nature. It's tearing down the system, man.

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And given it to everybody, you don't need these books. It's like it's it's a language that

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everyone can can speak or whatever is, you know, whatever.

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How many many chlorines that you might have?

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Yeah, throw that out the window. That's not a thing.

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Yeah, that's not a thing anymore.

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They're just like, yeah, just rewriting how dumb that is.

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Just like a bunch of stuff that they were rewriting because they don't like again,

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I can't stress that I brought it up, but I can't stress the point enough about how

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fucking pissed off people are that the major plot point is shooting the ship in hyperspeed

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through the other ships because that just like really fucks everything up for people because

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then you're like, oh, well, now why haven't we always just like take us take like a ship,

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a dummy ship without a person, a dummy ship and turn it into hyperspeed.

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And it's a missile. It's like a fucking, you know, it's yeah.

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Take it. Okay, let's get three ships. Put them in hyperspeed with no one on it.

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Shoot them towards the direction of the destroyers and call it a day.

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And it just like, and then, oh my God, how many fucking times I want to take a tally

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visually. It looked awesome. I'll give you that.

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It looks fucking that was enough for me.

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That was that was great.

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Everything you're saying is made to that.

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But everything you're making is making sense and is completely logical.

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And yeah, just kind of like, I just don't care.

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I care enough because it looks like, oh, yeah, it's cool.

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Totally. But I mean, yeah, that's never.

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Yeah, they're never going to do that again.

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It's like that's sort of like, yeah.

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And fantasy movies were a big superpower will show it show itself.

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And it's like, well, why doesn't they just use that?

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Why don't they do it?

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Why doesn't Green Goblin use those vaporizing grenades every time?

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And all the time.

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Exactly. Which turns out I'm not.

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Skellies.

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00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,240
I don't I don't.

377
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,760
Yeah, me personally don't want to get too hung up on that because I do agree with you.

378
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,200
That visually was cool.

379
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,640
It was cool that the way that it like the light cracked through stuff

380
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,920
and then audio editing space and the audio and it was cool.

381
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,040
But like, man, also to how I want to take a note of like I did take a note of

382
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,760
tracking through light speed is such a big deal.

383
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,080
And I wanted to I should have taken account as how many times people were like,

384
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,440
wait a minute, you can track.

385
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,160
No, you can't track.

386
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,600
Oh, like so many fucking people are like, wait, what?

387
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,920
I mean, light speed, light speed tracking.

388
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,760
What? No, you can't drag the light speed.

389
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,960
And everybody just like understands that you can't try to light speed.

390
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,800
And then but it's like, well, if we destroy it, then they're going to track that other one.

391
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,280
So we got to jump onto their ship and destroy their tracker.

392
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:27,040
They had like two great links to explain that we got to go to to a casino planet.

393
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,640
Can't abide. Yeah, I can't.

394
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:29,840
Let's talk can't abide.

395
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,120
Right. Yeah, that's the next thing.

396
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,160
We're not missing anything, right?

397
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,160
We get the intro to Rose and.

398
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:40,080
Right. Rose introduction, I guess we could talk about because she is a and you know.

399
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:45,040
And then like her sister's connection, which also speaking of interesting things that happen in

400
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,400
outer space to that.

401
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,120
Let's do that.

402
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:52,960
Drop drop dropping drop the bombs in outer space space.

403
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Is there those like magnets that are pulling?

404
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,480
It's just like right.

405
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,320
It hits that hatch and all of them just like were dropped to gravity.

406
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:08,000
There would have to be pressure pushing them down because you could push them down

407
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000
and that would work because there's no gravity.

408
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,760
So like if there is a mechanism that is pushing them down, then sure.

409
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,000
But the way visually, though, it looks like.

410
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,560
It does look cool.

411
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,960
They're just a bunch of like and the way that the ships are.

412
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,640
Designed is they're like solely designed for.

413
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,280
Yeah, bombers.

414
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,400
Dropping bombs pretty into that.

415
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,440
There's some schools.

416
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,080
It's cool.

417
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,040
New science about it.

418
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,360
Oh, yeah.

419
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,320
No, those are bombs that are just attracted to ships and.

420
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:35,360
Right.

421
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:35,600
Sure.

422
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,640
They got those Sith magnets.

423
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,960
OK, so specifically about this that really drove me nuts from jump, which has got me

424
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:50,400
in a mood every fucking time I watch this that drives me nuts is that we essentially

425
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:56,080
start the movie off with a joke, a phone call.

426
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,840
John, yeah, that humor doesn't work.

427
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,080
A prank phone call is how we start the movie off.

428
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,920
The humor is pretty rough and the one liners.

429
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:14,000
It's not a bad joke, but I think specifically my problem has always been with this and is

430
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:20,000
always so glaring when it is done wrong in movies like this because it has been done

431
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,040
like this in movies before that are really bad is.

432
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,120
Tone.

433
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,760
Let's talk tone.

434
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:37,680
Talking tone right now is you just had a very witty repartee joke, which again, the joke's

435
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,160
not bad.

436
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,760
I don't mind it just shading on Domino Gleason in this movie.

437
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,640
Cool shit on him.

438
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,240
He looks, you know, yeah, good.

439
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:44,880
It's kind of funny.

440
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,760
He's he's the leader of the bad guys like, yeah, shit on him.

441
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,400
Like, I'm I'm OK with that.

442
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,120
He's getting it from.

443
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,720
But within.

444
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,400
Three minutes, maybe five tops.

445
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,280
We are now dealing with a lot of lost lives.

446
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,520
OK, so.

447
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,880
Joke lost lives.

448
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,960
Those should be relatively far apart from each other.

449
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,720
Not to say this movie has to be drab.

450
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,480
Yeah, you should show the grass you make.

451
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,760
Yeah, the super serious like I'm that's not what I'm getting at is like you can't have

452
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,440
death in a movie and not have jokes.

453
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,240
No, come on.

454
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,200
I mean, watch, you know, fucking in Bruges.

455
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,000
I love in Bruges.

456
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,480
That that gets very emotional, too, in those deaths.

457
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:35,840
Absolutely.

458
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,560
Of course it does, because it and it handles all of that with such a wonderful finesse that

459
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,600
it's like watching a master class in comedy and dark humor.

460
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:48,640
And this, on the other hand, you're like, wait a minute, we were just laughing about

461
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,040
Dom Hale Gleason being a fucking piece of shit.

462
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,200
And now Rose's sister is dying.

463
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,960
All these other people are dying.

464
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Now we're talking about how fucking fucked we are.

465
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,360
And then we're going to spend another 15, 20 minutes of like everybody's fucked.

466
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,160
People died.

467
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,720
Rose is crying, consoling Rose.

468
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,680
Then her being like, wait a minute, you're leaving.

469
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:08,720
Wait, fuck you.

470
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,080
My sister died.

471
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,960
How could you?

472
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:16,400
And it's like so many beats following it are wrapped around how the seriousness of the

473
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,360
situation, which understandably so you lost your sister.

474
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:20,240
Like, I don't.

475
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:20,880
And you know what?

476
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,160
All those people who are like.

477
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:29,520
Criticizing review like audience wise about the wokeness and about the bullshit about

478
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,040
Rose and all of her shit.

479
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,000
Fuck those people.

480
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,480
They suck like Rose is a bad.

481
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaking of bombing, there's a lot of review bombing going on.

482
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,800
There is a lot of reviews and bullshit.

483
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,240
She had to like cancel her social media shit because so many people were right.

484
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,760
Hounding her and giving her shit.

485
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,480
It's insane, man.

486
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,920
None of it is her fault as a person.

487
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,600
First and foremost, you have to say that right.

488
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,560
Like, fuck you.

489
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,200
Like, it's not her fault ever for anything.

490
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,080
She was given a script and she acted her ass off on it.

491
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:04,560
Like, in no way did I watch her performance and go like, she is the heart of the movie.

492
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,400
In my mind, she is the heart of the movie.

493
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,760
I just the whole thing.

494
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,080
And that's yeah, that's what comes back to like the humor.

495
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:18,480
And there's some one liners that just don't fully work for me either, even though I love

496
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,360
the messaging and again, like she's like, you know, talking about the canto biting ends

497
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:28,720
being like, isn't it so disgusting how everybody's just profiting off of this war and all that.

498
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,520
So that works for me a lot more interesting this time than the last time, too.

499
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,880
I think last time I was so distracted by the visual, the prequel like visuals in this casino

500
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,960
scene that I had a hard time like honing in like all the stuff that was happening because

501
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,920
it's just like, oh, wow, this is they're really going full prequel green Lucas green screen

502
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,040
and a lot of this stuff.

503
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:53,680
But I am more being more prepared and accepting some of that stuff I got with all that.

504
00:43:53,680 --> 00:44:00,160
That whole scene was was representing and all the the underling side of this vast empire

505
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,360
and like the the people's is like the people's history of Star Wars, you know, a little bit

506
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,320
more of like getting into that.

507
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:12,640
And that's what Andor and Rogue One is a little bit kind of touching on the disenfranchised

508
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,880
and all this shit and how.

509
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:15,840
Yeah.

510
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:22,880
And the profiteers of war and Benicio's character also shows like it's a great.

511
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,360
Yeah.

512
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:29,120
That scene like the casino scene like does something like it at least it shows like like

513
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:36,480
Rose Rose is character is able to flourish a bit in what she represents and Finn as a

514
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:43,600
former stormtrooper who has been on the other side as well comes to terms with the the what

515
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:52,400
the Empire and the rebels both and how Benicio fits into his node and into how he can profit

516
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:52,960
off everything.

517
00:44:52,960 --> 00:45:00,320
And yeah, I just reminded me a lot of yeah, the almost commentary on the war machine of

518
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,520
today and in a lot of ways.

519
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:09,440
Which is the part of this movie that you will win me over a little bit on because I agree

520
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,360
that is interesting.

521
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,320
That is something that we haven't dealt with.

522
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:20,400
That is a taking our perspective or taking the like lens of Star Wars and going like,

523
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,200
oh, let's like blow this out a bit. You know what?

524
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,840
There's actually some stuff we can really like play in with and evaluate here about

525
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,960
the world at large because time and time again, when we've seen like the Republic or the ruling

526
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:39,440
class or like different, you know, kind of governments in this solar in this galaxy,

527
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,280
it's very brief.

528
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,720
It's like really a lot of the time.

529
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:44,960
It's just like right before they're about to get murdered.

530
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:52,720
Like we see like a, you know, not Caribbean, but like course on or like some shit like

531
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:56,000
that, like in the first movie plan, it's good taking out.

532
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,400
Right.

533
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,520
It was cool to see them for a second.

534
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,120
Even though they're like, oh, we're all going to die.

535
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,920
Look at all these interesting people on this.

536
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,040
But oh, man.

537
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:03,840
Sure.

538
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,720
So yeah, I mean, that that stuff will win me over a bit.

539
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:11,520
But then, yeah, it is so incredibly hand fisted, like in the writing of Rose's character

540
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:17,200
and of Rosenfin's journey where, you know, all she is spitting out is platitudes about

541
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,480
like, you know.

542
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:21,360
This I hate this.

543
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,520
This is look at all these disgusting people.

544
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:28,320
This is what money does and all of that stuff, which like, yeah, I mean, God, I get why you

545
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,320
would have that perspective for sure.

546
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,600
But like, you're not.

547
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:39,040
You're just standing on the outside saying things about it.

548
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,520
And there isn't a lot to bear.

549
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,000
There is.

550
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,000
Yeah, they're really telling you exactly how to feel about it.

551
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:45,280
Right.

552
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:52,400
Like you're just such a passerby of like a point or a concept and you're never really

553
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,280
getting into it.

554
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,400
You're just like, yeah, that thing over there sucks, doesn't it?

555
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,840
Man, we fucking don't like that.

556
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,160
Yeah.

557
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,040
Such a detour of kind of like, and yes, and here we see a casino plan.

558
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,160
And this is how I feel about that.

559
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,040
And we're out and we're out and we're gone.

560
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,880
You know, and I was that in where they like have to take out the track

561
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,920
or that's in that the end of Empire Strikes Back to.

562
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:12,160
Right.

563
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,360
So I don't know.

564
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,200
There's just certain beats and arcs of the movies that are just never going to fully

565
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,000
go away, which is also frustrating in its own way.

566
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,960
But yeah, I appreciated that a little bit more this time.

567
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,000
Justin Theroux, the master.

568
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:33,920
He's able to just get what he like I I'm I'm so I'm so for

569
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,960
me to support lead somewhere, I didn't see him as an actor because he has managed to

570
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,720
always get in those roles where he has no problem putting on like facial prosthetics

571
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,560
or like being silly accent.

572
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,560
Oh, like silly accents and being a weirdo all the time.

573
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,800
Like he has no problem doing those things.

574
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,200
Like a cool.

575
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,880
And it just yeah, I don't know.

576
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,200
Yeah, you get Daniel Craig to as a stormtrooper uncredited, I believe.

577
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,800
But he's like the one that, oh, yeah, unfastens her thing.

578
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:03,920
That's in the force.

579
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:04,320
Oh, it is.

580
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,280
OK, yeah, you're right.

581
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,000
Never mind.

582
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,600
I was thinking of the Rian Johnson Stormtrooper double O7 Craig Craig connection, but it's

583
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:12,800
it's an Abrams one.

584
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,280
So yeah, we're out of Casino Planet.

585
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,680
We've done the Holdo maneuver and I think everything kind of coalesces in Crate, right?

586
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,280
Is kind of where we're at as a crate.

587
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,920
This salt with.

588
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,280
Yeah, I mean, we could.

589
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,680
Well, here I I've been having some beers.

590
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,360
I'm going to go to the bathroom more time.

591
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,280
But do you think I would like to?

592
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,240
Yeah, before we get to that, let's talk about the Kylo Ray.

593
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,640
OK, Snoke situation.

594
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,880
OK, that's that's like entrance.

595
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,640
OK, we'll be right back.

596
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,200
All right, we're we are back.

597
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:53,520
So you wanted to talk about the Ray Kylo Snoke thing that that meeting happens near the end

598
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,600
or is that before for Crate or that's kind of the same?

599
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:57,840
No, that's that's before.

600
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:58,480
It's then.

601
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:03,200
Yeah, it is for because then Kylo is like storming the gates with Domnol.

602
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,560
And there's that whole power struggle.

603
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,800
Yeah. So let's let's talk about that meeting because that was.

604
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,200
Yeah.

605
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,800
In my mind, the first time I saw it was so flashy and unexpected

606
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,240
that I was just kind of like, whoa, this is this is fucking awesome

607
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,360
because we haven't seen real real lightsaber battle either.

608
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,600
So this is this is close to that.

609
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,200
And then Snoke and taken out.

610
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,000
But thinking about it more as well.

611
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,760
It's you just like, well, what does that mean for for Snoke?

612
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,880
And I remember that was caused a lot of divisiveness over like,

613
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,400
well, they just killed off Snoke with no explanation.

614
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,280
What's what's that about?

615
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,280
Yeah, absolutely.

616
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,960
And that was really shocking.

617
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,000
You get your explanation.

618
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,360
And are you happy with that?

619
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,600
No, I hate all of it.

620
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,120
It's funny, too, because like it's weird to come to terms with like

621
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:58,800
me wanting things to be more formulaic at times.

622
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,240
And like because I and you've known me long enough,

623
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:05,040
it's like that's usually the opposite take that I have about.

624
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,240
So yeah.

625
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:10,720
And like and it's just so weird to be like critics like don't care

626
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:11,840
about any of this shit.

627
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,280
They're just like, cool.

628
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,720
Like we're just looking on like more of these qualities of of a movie

629
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:20,640
and and like not so precious about who these characters are

630
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,200
and what they mean and the larger scope of things.

631
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,640
And I think that just hangs up some of these fans of like

632
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:28,560
from enjoying it.

633
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,800
But no, no, but I'm not blaming like again, like if you don't like it,

634
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,520
like I don't know.

635
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,480
I know I don't know.

636
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,680
I don't know in any way.

637
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,480
Or don't know.

638
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:36,980
Yeah.

639
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:37,920
Yeah.

640
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,160
And I mean, it should be said, like even though we have a podcast

641
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,440
about polarizing movies, you know, more often than not,

642
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,520
we're pretty close in agreement.

643
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,440
And when we do disagree with anybody,

644
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,720
it's what's so interesting about this one.

645
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,440
Yeah, we're not going to like.

646
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,440
Yeah, at a bare minimum, it's if you have a different opinion about this,

647
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,080
that's OK.

648
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,360
You know, and there's some reasoning, some review

649
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,920
bomber bullshit that will call out and be like, yeah, that shit fucking.

650
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,200
So we've read some like downright trash people reviews from lining out

651
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,840
reasons that had nothing to do with the movie.

652
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:16,880
And all right.

653
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,520
And that's yeah, that's currently happening with.

654
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:19,920
Yeah.

655
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:20,880
Little mermaid as well.

656
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:21,840
Just it's those people.

657
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,640
It's never really.

658
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,200
Wow.

659
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,640
Uncertainly not on Rotten Tomatoes.

660
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,280
I think it's like a medic critic for whatever reason, but people are just.

661
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:27,920
Oh, interesting.

662
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,640
But anyway, so with snow, yeah, like it's crazy because again,

663
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:40,960
like I want I'm actually more on board with it being more of a classic arc of

664
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,320
it drove me nuts that they killed them because it is.

665
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,760
So.

666
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:53,520
Light on him in Force Awakens, very ominous, very like, oh, who is this

667
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,440
Sith Lord that has been pulling so much details about order?

668
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,040
He's got like these scars.

669
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,280
He's got this cool golden cloak that you get.

670
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,960
I love his golden cloak in this one.

671
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,000
Big head.

672
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,520
Yeah, like Decade says weird shit going on with them.

673
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,280
He's probably been around a while, like.

674
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:11,280
Yeah, not a dark.

675
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,040
He's just a he's just a snook.

676
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,800
He's just a snook.

677
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,320
And people were like theorizing so many things.

678
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,200
I was home and I was trying to remember some of the silly ones, but.

679
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,080
There were some silly ones, but by and large, it was like, oh, yeah, it was the.

680
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,720
The youngling that Anakin kills that some people were thinking that like

681
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,720
it like he didn't fully kill one of the younglings or something.

682
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:35,040
Right.

683
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:35,520
Sure.

684
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:36,320
And then right.

685
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,640
There's such a cottage industry for fan theories like that.

686
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,880
It's so interesting for properties.

687
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:43,680
Like this, right?

688
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,680
Where there's, you know, there's going to be a fucking a thousand and one

689
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,800
articles about who Snoke is, you know?

690
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,520
And yeah, yeah.

691
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:59,760
To really just say fuck you to all of those people is so bold, which again,

692
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:05,600
yeah, which is why in my mind is this is such a critic favorite movie because I mean.

693
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,560
Critics, by and large, have to be going to movies and going like,

694
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,240
oh, man, people are just like not.

695
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,480
They're just turning their brains off and wanting to be spoon fed.

696
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,640
And this movie challenges so many of those conventions

697
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,560
that it's not surprising to me at all that a critic would be like,

698
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,000
yeah, this I like this movie a lot because this movie does

699
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,520
a lot of the opposite of what you expect.

700
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:40,400
And but I really wanted something that was like,

701
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,680
you know, the way that Darth Vader is, I'm sorry, but I wanted like,

702
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,360
you know, entered, you know, OK, Kylo's Darth Vader, Snoke is Palpatine.

703
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,440
And over the course of three movies, there's going to be this, you know.

704
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,320
And then you find out it's like it like literally is Palpatine,

705
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,000
which is just such a fucking bummer.

706
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,360
But I know, yeah, just a Palpatine creation.

707
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,040
Whatever. That's so fucking convoluted.

708
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,800
It's like a clone of some shit.

709
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:05,680
Right. Yeah.

710
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,680
He just like makes these like snow clones.

711
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:08,640
It's just always.

712
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,640
Yeah, I don't know. It's such bullshit.

713
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,600
Fuck, man, that really.

714
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,680
Well, but I like I just wanted a shock value.

715
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,280
There's just I think it's also yeah, I think like I'm craving

716
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,080
and maybe it's inciting that in me purposely so,

717
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,240
but it's not as satisfying as maybe they think of like I am craving some.

718
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:33,520
Even it's cool. Kill him.

719
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,800
Whatever. But at least give me like a little a little something of like

720
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,040
who he might have been and shit.

721
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,560
And I I'm even OK with the fact that

722
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:51,840
Kalo like Kylo or friend, Kalo, Kalo Ren, Kalo Ren, like you can tell

723
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:57,120
that he's not being honest about her, her parents and her lineage of like,

724
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,120
oh, they were like traders, farmers, whatever.

725
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,880
They just like traded you for scraps.

726
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,160
Like I read his acting is so fucking good, dude.

727
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,000
And in that moment, you can tell like he looks like he's he's lying

728
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,000
or he's not like telling the full truth.

729
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,440
And I loved that conversation after because just based on his performance

730
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,280
of how he gave that people had these conversations of like, was he telling the truth?

731
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,480
Was that really it? Because he's just kind of kind of stuttered,

732
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,440
like pauses and does these little eye fluctuations.

733
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:28,000
It's like and I like the fact I and what ends up happening with that.

734
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,720
We can get into another time.

735
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,360
But I remember thinking at the end of this movie, I'm like, I'm

736
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:38,160
definitely fine with that because then the idea of expanding this universe

737
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:43,040
and not having it always be about fucking Skywalkers and Palpatines and shit,

738
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,840
like it's the smallest fucking universe in the world.

739
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,080
It's like she should be from fucking nowhere.

740
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,840
Like that makes it even cooler.

741
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,200
And this whole thing about the forces with everybody, it means that anybody

742
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,080
that even from fucking Jack, who which everyone just I love how everyone

743
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,320
makes fun of how what a shit hole Jack who is.

744
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,280
He's like, oh, that is nowhere.

745
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:06,080
And that's for me, all the movie that all the stuff that's set up in this movie

746
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,920
is pulled under the rug for me in the next one.

747
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,280
And that's where I get frustrated.

748
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,240
And that's where I think people the same way people feel about this one.

749
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:13,520
So I get it as well.

750
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:19,600
But I like the fact that they yeah, it is more it would be more innocuous.

751
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,440
So it would be just as much this little boy that's from the stables

752
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,160
is like the new rain, you know, and I like I like that messaging a lot more

753
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,840
rather than like, oh, no, it's Palpatine.

754
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,160
Palpatine is not not only irresponsible for Ray, he's also responsible for Snoke.

755
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,840
And he's always been there somehow returned.

756
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:36,720
Brr brr brr brr.

757
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:42,160
And anyways, we shouldn't get too far into that, but it's never too far

758
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,360
because that gets us into.

759
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:43,920
Yeah.

760
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,960
But it's we're talking about the true like true trilogy at large in some ways.

761
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,880
And we talked a little Force Awakens, how it sets it up and how this whole thing

762
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,240
is just not planned well and not charted.

763
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:57,680
The course is not charted out.

764
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,680
But yeah, so that's I mean, Cray, I'd like to just maybe finish off with some

765
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:02,880
some great stuff.

766
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,440
Yeah, we'll go to reviews, maybe any sort of stuff about that.

767
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:11,680
Like, I mean, I think that I have a kind of a I'm not crazy about the animals.

768
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,200
And I don't know.

769
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,200
Absolutely not like the horses.

770
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,200
I don't really care how the horse things look.

771
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,200
That doesn't look really that great.

772
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,720
Yeah, the Crystal Critters looked a little cute cuter this time around.

773
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,960
But once once he says Crystal Critters, I like jump out of my seat every time.

774
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,440
I like these because it's called them Crystal Critters.

775
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,400
Because it's just such calm.

776
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:40,560
At least to me, I'm sure it's like an alien name like the like, yeah, something that's

777
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,320
like even Sufis.

778
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:43,760
Right.

779
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:44,400
Something like that.

780
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,040
Yeah, for sure.

781
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,920
I mean, maybe I'm sure it's like not totally commonplace, but God, it's like damn near

782
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:57,760
close is that we all know that Disney has made movies in order to sell merchandise.

783
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,120
It's a fundamental part.

784
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:08,400
Fundamental part of their strategy in creating the content that they create is there are

785
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:16,880
it is very, very, very well documented that time and again, the CEOs of Disney, when it

786
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:23,520
comes to their direction of properties that are getting produced under their watch is

787
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:24,960
here is the structure.

788
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,200
OK, we're going to release this in theaters.

789
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,480
It needs to have X, Y, and Z characteristics of it because we're going to turn this into

790
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,360
a ride.

791
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:38,880
We're going to sell merchandise from it or we're going to do a direct to video sequel

792
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:39,440
of it.

793
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,320
So it has to have these characteristics of it or else you're in trouble.

794
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,600
Director, you know, whoever you're in trouble.

795
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,080
And this is a big fucking set piece for sure.

796
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,640
Yeah, this is this is made for absolutely.

797
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:58,080
And you just like this movie thought they do the Hoff at the end of it, which that's

798
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,880
the thing that I would argue drives me fucking nuts because if you want to sit there, not

799
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,840
to try to be like, you sit there, James, I'm going to shoot you.

800
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,280
I'm not going to come over there with a gun.

801
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:16,640
But like if you're going to sit there and say like it is, isn't this movie so refreshing

802
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:17,840
how subversive it is?

803
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,120
No, I got you.

804
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,200
Interesting artistic swings it does.

805
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:26,480
But then it fucking ends in a set piece that's like off, but not within the spot.

806
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,360
But instead of so it's salt.

807
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:30,800
No, I totally agree.

808
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,640
It's just like and you brought it up earlier.

809
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:38,560
It's like within the system like you're like for hire director to and there is the

810
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:39,920
structure that is in place.

811
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:44,080
And I think Ryan Johnson, for what it's worth, works within that structure and makes his

812
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:49,120
trademark known in this movie in a way that is is hard to do.

813
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,000
And like the Lord and Miller's of it all, they got fucking kicked off, I think, because

814
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,680
they were making too much of a of a mark, which they're good filmmakers and they make

815
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,160
good stuff for the most part.

816
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:05,360
But they put, you know, old Dusty Howard into to finish it off, to make things, you know,

817
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,040
more generic.

818
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,680
I feel like unless and more.

819
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,960
But I think within the system, especially for a sequel, that's already part of a trilogy.

820
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,040
There's certain things that have to be in place.

821
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:22,000
I think he does well within the system that's that's set out for him.

822
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,080
But it's also an odd pairing.

823
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,440
And I and I get why it doesn't work for a lot of people.

824
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:32,160
And certain things don't jive with me of of of everything, because you can tell it's

825
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:37,840
like strained of their idea, their ideas and how how he's fit in with it, everything.

826
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,880
But also, yeah, I'm curious what a J.J. Abrams full on trilogy would be.

827
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,600
I don't know their decision making with this still baffles me.

828
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:51,840
And I think we we know because what we give them, the third one, I think is a really great

829
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,240
example of what we would have gotten.

830
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,240
I think we would have gotten, you know, and we would have gotten that sooner and he would

831
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,120
have stretched it out.

832
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:05,120
But yeah, he's he's notorious for just constantly just leading, leading, leading the thread

833
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:11,120
a bit and all the last stuff of writing in the fog and everything like he's he's such

834
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:17,200
a student of Spielberg and Lucas, but in like kind of the worst ways at times in my mind,

835
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:23,680
like if it's like placing importance, it's like it's you know, obviously a work of art

836
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,920
is almost like it's like a statue.

837
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:26,640
Right.

838
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,400
People walk up to it and they'll interpret it however they're going to interpret it.

839
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,840
And the majority of it is bringing their own notice to it and really like putting who they

840
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,040
are onto a piece.

841
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,480
And it's more of a fixed object rather than something that's like, you know.

842
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,240
Yeah, like something that moves or fluid and changes.

843
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,080
It's just so much of what we bring.

844
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,400
And it just to me, a lot of J.J. Abrams stuff is like, right.

845
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:58,560
Like I I'm obsessed with these aspects of George Lucas and of Steven Spielberg, but

846
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:04,080
it like kind of loses the thread or like misses some of the more like kind of a shiny, shiny

847
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:04,640
looking car.

848
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:05,440
But the engine.

849
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:05,920
Yeah.

850
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,520
I don't know, like the engines is like, do do.

851
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:17,840
Yeah, because it's it's flashy in more ways than one because he uses so many fucking

852
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:22,240
and we're not obsessed with the Millennium Falcon because it's the Millennium Falcon.

853
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:28,080
We're obsessed more so with Han Solo driving it and being like the person who's giving

854
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:28,960
it life.

855
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,640
Like you're focusing on the the it's that whole.

856
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:41,040
Like how a lot of Marvel people and comic book people like collect Funko pops, right?

857
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,640
Like the Funko pop is fucking dumb and pointless.

858
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:50,320
Like the thing that you love is that it is representative of a character.

859
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:55,120
But even then, you're focusing on the character and you're not focusing on their motivations

860
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,800
that led you to loving them.

861
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,840
It's like it's so trademark sort of thing.

862
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,760
It's like cart before the horse shit.

863
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,880
Like, oh, you know, yeah, again, you're losing why.

864
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,880
And it's like the argument that is right.

865
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,120
He was barely in those fucking movies and people put right.

866
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:14,400
And he started off as a toy and then he kind of got reworked in.

867
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,440
And it's launched into a sarlacc pit in two seconds.

868
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:18,880
I see.

869
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:19,840
I know my stay.

870
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,080
I mean, how can we not?

871
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:27,360
Yeah, because these I mean, to start to start concluding it, I'm down to go through some

872
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:28,480
of my notes if you got any.

873
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:33,600
But I was just thinking of like any like last crate stuff of like Luke showing up as a hologram.

874
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,400
I if you didn't maybe it's because I didn't like any.

875
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:41,600
I think I think that's such like an he was an Obi-Wan kind of thing to do.

876
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,360
And or the conversation with Yoda.

877
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,720
I really like the conversation with Yoda, the effects that Yoda had of being a force

878
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,840
because he was a real puppet.

879
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:48,720
Oh, I love that.

880
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,200
Frank, I think I'm Frank Osmas of he's still around.

881
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:51,840
I think so, too.

882
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:52,880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

883
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,160
That was I love that.

884
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,160
And he's such a little stingray.

885
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:00,480
So I know he's got kind of like the more bulgy eyes of the fucking man.

886
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,480
He's just like doing a lot of good, good.

887
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,440
I think that's some good stuff.

888
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,560
And then I yeah, overall, I liked the set piece.

889
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,880
And then what happens at the end?

890
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:13,360
Really?

891
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,400
That's much to talk about.

892
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,160
It's kind of just like Kylo's, the new new big boy and.

893
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,200
Ray has like a connection with him.

894
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,240
That's kind of like we'll see what's going to where that's going to go.

895
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:30,160
A little bit.

896
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,760
Yeah, just leaves off of like Kylo.

897
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,680
Yeah, what is the lead off here is Kylo has now usurped Snow.

898
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,080
So he is now the leader of the First Order.

899
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:46,800
And then he also kind of has this vendetta to convert Ray,

900
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,600
because he feels like she could be converted.

901
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:54,080
It's just like the lead up to return the Jedi, because that's what is going to try to do with Vader.

902
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:55,280
Right.

903
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,360
And I just leave it there, right?

904
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:58,480
Yeah, we just leave it there.

905
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,440
That's the broad.

906
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,120
Yeah, that's the broad side of it all.

907
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:05,120
And you know, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke, Luke.

908
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,400
Luke. And what's going on with.

909
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:09,600
Yeah, I don't know.

910
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,600
I know that a lot of people had issue with how.

911
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,280
Who meets Ray for the first time.

912
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,160
That's what happens.

913
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,560
He's like, Hi, my name or like, my name's Po.

914
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:17,200
She's like, I'm Ray.

915
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:18,320
He's like, I know.

916
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:20,880
And I like us.

917
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,560
Or I'm a fan.

918
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,120
And then she like sees Finn and Rose and she's kind of like,

919
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:31,280
oh, OK, they're they're considering item hood to borrow a Benny and June phrase.

920
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:33,680
Considering item hood.

921
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,360
I always like that. Yeah, I'd be down to go through some some notes.

922
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,080
You can do anything.

923
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,200
Oh, yes, he can.

924
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,000
I don't remember that force does not belong to Jedi.

925
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:48,960
I wish I could put my fist through this whole lousy, beautiful town.

926
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,720
See, OK, see, these are these one liners.

927
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:55,360
I'm going to I'm going to highlight some of these that just like feel like a little chat GPT.

928
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:57,760
Like a robot.

929
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:58,160
I don't know.

930
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,040
Or just how they come off is just like so like on the on the nose.

931
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,040
Like you're saying speaking in platitudes.

932
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,720
Like I wish I could put my fist through this whole lousy, beautiful town.

933
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,160
You didn't fail, Kylo.

934
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,360
Kylo failed you.

935
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,720
Holdo and competent shallow.

936
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,120
I remember my question marks.

937
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,560
I was like, is she just incompetent?

938
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:22,960
That was like, is she incompetent or evil?

939
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,600
And it was like, no, she just follows the code.

940
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:26,320
One of the two.

941
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,320
Like I was just trying to figure out what is the deal.

942
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:29,680
I know.

943
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:29,920
Right.

944
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,200
Because she's so cagey.

945
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,960
And so and then she's also against Poe so quickly.

946
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,200
So she's disarming him so quickly.

947
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,880
So you're like, well, something's got to be wrong with her because she's holding some.

948
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:47,040
What would there must be some like bigger plot that she's trying to defang Poe

949
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:52,240
because he's the only person who could be like, yeah, yeah.

950
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,400
And then I kind of got the feeling like when Leia comes back, I was like, oh,

951
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,080
she was just doing everything that Leia would have done anyways.

952
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,800
And he was maybe it was harder to accept from a new character.

953
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,160
If Leia would maybe was doing those things, maybe you've been more acceptable.

954
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:12,320
But I still thought that that friction between the two just didn't pay off for me.

955
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:18,880
And besides like being a cool cinematic holdo slice, the day for night, there's some like day

956
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,760
for night stuff, which like I guess works when you're on like an alien planet with Luke and

957
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,280
stuff and there's a and they show there's and I thought that was like an OK way to like

958
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,120
establish why I look that way.

959
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,960
But there was a big moon and she was like walking around at night and I was like, oh,

960
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,200
this is not night. This is no moon.

961
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,280
This is David. That's a fucking sun.

962
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,520
That's a star. That's a sun.

963
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:45,360
Yeah, it is sun because just how how was I would I feel like I would be remiss.

964
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:51,040
And big, big note I have here is talk about milking those creatures for the green.

965
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,680
Sure. Because that is disgusting.

966
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,760
Yes. Everyone can agree on that.

967
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,520
I'm kind of fine with it in there.

968
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:04,240
I know it's gross. I don't like how they're not like cow like they're like they're they

969
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:09,760
literally have the energy like, hey, I'm just sitting here on the by the water, you know,

970
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:15,440
hanging out, like have this like humanoid characteristic to just be like, yeah, I'm

971
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:16,640
just hanging out here by the water.

972
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,560
Oh, hey, you know, and then he just comes up and starts milking it.

973
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:25,360
And then it's just like, oh, God, so fucking gross.

974
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,520
Yeah. Now when I think about it, it is just all over his beard.

975
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,320
Satisfied like, yeah, you fucking Star Wars fans.

976
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:33,920
I bet you're wondering all that blue milk.

977
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,120
This is it.

978
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:35,760
I agree.

979
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,120
What you want? Yeah, yeah, it comes out of the right tip.

980
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:40,480
Blue comes out of the left.

981
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:42,000
Is this what you wanted?

982
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:42,960
So gross.

983
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:44,560
It is.

984
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:45,520
It makes me mad.

985
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:46,880
I don't know why.

986
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:49,920
I just like love when there's weird shit and it's like so weird.

987
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,680
And it's just so weird.

988
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,360
I think it's like a novelty now.

989
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,640
And like, yeah, I guess you could call it a meme, if you will.

990
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,960
And then these, yeah, see how these will be memed.

991
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,240
And if there's still memes in 20 years, the way they did the prequels.

992
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,280
But it's just I don't know if it's campy enough.

993
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:10,240
A lot of it is generic, you know, and who knows who's to say.

994
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:11,360
People are growing up with them.

995
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,760
We'll see what they have to say when those little little youngsters are making memes of their own.

996
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:18,400
No, they're already out there doing it.

997
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:19,600
Let's see.

998
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:21,520
Well, you are the last.

999
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:22,400
I am the last Hoper.

1000
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:23,600
You were the last hope or something.

1001
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,920
They say it was like, oh, I get it.

1002
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:26,560
New hope.

1003
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:28,640
Last hope.

1004
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:30,480
Last Jedi.

1005
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:31,440
Yeah.

1006
01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:31,940
Last.

1007
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:33,780
Last.

1008
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:40,560
One weapon I really liked was one of those red guys had a fucking soul caliber to

1009
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:42,960
blade that like would.

1010
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:51,040
So caliber to where it's like a chain like it could like be solid as a sword,

1011
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,160
but then it also broke out into pieces and was like a whip.

1012
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:54,960
Yeah, he had one.

1013
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:56,080
I was like, oh, that's.

1014
01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:58,480
I want that toy.

1015
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:00,720
Give me that toy.

1016
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:04,640
I like rewound it to like look at more of the movie.

1017
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,160
The and like like.

1018
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:12,560
Fin fast, my fight, which that that was I was watching some reviews from people and that was such a

1019
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:20,800
like a clear hit Fin's whole character arc is a is a great example for some people why this movie

1020
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,240
in this series sucks.

1021
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:23,040
It's frustrating.

1022
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,760
Yeah, it is very frustrating because the lack of the direction, which is because his

1023
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,000
his has so much potential as a character.

1024
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:31,760
So much potential.

1025
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,080
I was so excited at the beginning of Force Awakens.

1026
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,040
I'm like, dude, they are taking the mask immediately.

1027
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:37,840
What they do in force.

1028
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:38,960
I know, right?

1029
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,080
Show blood.

1030
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:40,880
He takes off.

1031
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,560
I was like, wow, that's blood in this movie.

1032
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,920
And and then like you recognize it's who he is because the blood's on his man.

1033
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:47,920
Like that's just a great visual thing.

1034
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:49,920
So and then he takes the mask off.

1035
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:55,200
And and he's just trying to escape from war because he's been taken from his family at

1036
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:55,840
a young age.

1037
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,960
Like all this stuff works like everybody in the stormtroopers.

1038
01:10:58,960 --> 01:10:59,280
Right.

1039
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:05,840
And and like, oh, my God, to humanize the stormtroopers was such an interesting angle.

1040
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:11,360
And they just get just like with Luke Skywalker throwing the lightsaber away.

1041
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:18,480
I think it's like, no, I think we're not doing him on the casino mission was in character for him to

1042
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:20,480
see that side of war.

1043
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:26,160
And I thought that him, you know, talking to Rose, like I used to be a stormtrooper and then

1044
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:33,360
they're kind of foils in their own way of people who had their young lives fucked up

1045
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:40,320
and are displaced and have to make do in the same way that like, yeah, I don't know, the

1046
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,520
people making money are impartial to war as well.

1047
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:49,520
It's like people are going about their lives in whatever like benefits them kind of kind

1048
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:50,080
of best.

1049
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:57,280
And to have Rose, who is so I don't know, empathetic and charitable or I don't know,

1050
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,760
what like just cares cares for people.

1051
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,480
It just bums me out that people hate her so much.

1052
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:03,600
That made me so sad.

1053
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,360
It's like, goddamn people, we can't have anything nice.

1054
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,520
Yeah, and one of the nice things I was looking at some more notes.

1055
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:12,800
One of those guys got beheaded.

1056
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:13,920
I thought that was pretty cool.

1057
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:14,720
And the red guys.

1058
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:17,680
Okay, chopped in half.

1059
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:18,640
Spray brutal.

1060
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,160
Yeah, his hands still sitting there like on the armrest.

1061
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,000
We way more.

1062
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:28,160
Yeah.

1063
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:28,480
Okay.

1064
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,800
Oh, Poe gives BB eight little scratches.

1065
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:33,520
I thought that was fine.

1066
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:38,560
I like BB eight.

1067
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:39,440
BB eight school.

1068
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:39,760
Yeah.

1069
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:40,880
You made that.

1070
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,000
That's the vibe check.

1071
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,640
Definitely, definitely like not overused.

1072
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,160
And I like that there was an evil BB eight just for a second.

1073
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:48,480
Uh huh.

1074
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:49,040
That's fun.

1075
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:53,440
I also like to that they gave you the interior of how BB works on a ship.

1076
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:54,880
I thought that was such a cool scene.

1077
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:55,520
Like a little hat.

1078
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:56,400
Yeah.

1079
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,480
Yeah, like he like drops into the middle of the ship and is like working on stuff.

1080
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:02,560
I was like, oh man, I really enjoy this.

1081
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,160
And then, yeah, how he's able to his head separate from the ball, but like,

1082
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:08,160
can come back to the other.

1083
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,760
Yeah, I liked how I was like, oh no,

1084
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:16,880
he separated and then it's just, oh, yeah, BB eight, maybe it's cool.

1085
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,880
You get some, yeah, you get our two back as well.

1086
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:20,000
Yeah.

1087
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,000
You do get our two and you get three PO.

1088
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:26,560
Don't give me that.

1089
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:33,280
How they just kind of like dismiss some of it because he's just always prattles on so much.

1090
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:35,520
They kept that in character.

1091
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:37,760
I like this.

1092
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:40,720
I like this.

1093
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:41,680
Oh, yeah.

1094
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:42,480
That line.

1095
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:47,920
I just was like another one of those, like, is this a robot wrote this movie or something?

1096
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,880
Like, I am human and I like this.

1097
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,800
I think I go for food and beverage with my friends.

1098
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:02,080
An effective way to have the audience feel what you're feeling in the film is to tell them exactly what they're feeling.

1099
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,320
It's not simply about smiling and enjoying yourself.

1100
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,880
You have to state exactly how you feel in your internal monologue.

1101
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:15,440
I feel like just remember, I feel like the script of like Ray likes this in parentheses.

1102
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:17,440
Ray likes this.

1103
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:20,480
Yeah, we're having fun.

1104
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:22,000
This is good.

1105
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,440
You feel this is good.

1106
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:24,480
And I feel good.

1107
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:30,640
Remember, when writing a movie, the audience is going to be viewing this movie or a bunch of dumb diaper babies.

1108
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:35,360
And if you don't explain to them exactly how they're feeling, they may be confused.

1109
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:42,400
If Kylo only was like when things didn't go his way.

1110
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:43,840
I don't like this.

1111
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:44,880
I don't like this.

1112
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,720
I wish things went differently.

1113
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,880
More in line with what my character wanted.

1114
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:52,240
Straight in.

1115
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:54,160
Disappointed.

1116
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:01,840
My last note was Luke gives himself a different haircut as a hologram.

1117
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:02,480
Did you know that?

1118
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:02,800
I know.

1119
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:03,280
Yeah.

1120
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:03,600
Yeah.

1121
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:04,400
Kind of weird, right?

1122
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,120
He's like trying to like live up to the legend.

1123
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:13,040
He like gives his hologram like legend, like, oh, the legendary Luke haircut, I feel like is what he was.

1124
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,160
I mean, if you're able to create a whole image of yourself.

1125
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:16,480
Yeah.

1126
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:17,280
Why don't you give him?

1127
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,240
He's got a big dog.

1128
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:21,200
Really buffed.

1129
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,240
Doesn't have gray hair.

1130
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,160
And he's like this fucking you.

1131
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:28,240
He could have done it.

1132
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:29,680
They DHed him.

1133
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:30,320
He could have done it.

1134
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:30,720
Fucking.

1135
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,520
They could have just do they get a fucking letter.

1136
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,920
Yeah, I'm going to be the fucking self.

1137
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:36,560
I'm going to create.

1138
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:39,200
This is my last moment on this.

1139
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:41,600
That makes me think of this.

1140
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:51,680
So I watched some of History of the World, the TV show that came out and there's this it's it's pretty fucking hit or miss like very hit or miss.

1141
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,120
But there's this one bit where Mel Brooks is like.

1142
01:15:55,120 --> 01:16:00,960
The whole bit is like he's you know, he's able to make himself look however he wants to.

1143
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:07,040
And then so what he does is he makes himself look like the really yoked, cool version of himself.

1144
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,840
And it was so funny to just hear his voice out of like this.

1145
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,240
I wonder if I can show you.

1146
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,160
Let me see if I can find a picture of it.

1147
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,080
But it's just it makes me think of that.

1148
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:24,320
Like, yeah, I mean, if you're, you know, like given the option to, you know, have a like, you know, like.

1149
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:29,680
Have a like another version of yourself, you're going to just make the same exact version of yourself.

1150
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:30,240
No way.

1151
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:37,280
Well, while you while you do that, can I pull up some of these refuse?

1152
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,280
Oh, yeah, please.

1153
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:40,720
All right.

1154
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:50,160
Just to remind everybody, we got a last Jedi at a certified fresh 91 by the critics, a 42 percent by the audience.

1155
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,520
Let's get into some some feels out there.

1156
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,160
I'm going to start with the critic side.

1157
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,280
Let's check out some positive reviews.

1158
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,360
We'll go to the Guardian.

1159
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,280
Jordan Hoffman, a 100.

1160
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:09,440
A perfect film is is a 100.

1161
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:20,000
While there are some solid nuggets of deep cut Easter eggs for hardcore fans, what is so extraordinary about the last Jedi is that this is the first post Lucas Star Wars film that feels free to dance to its own beat.

1162
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:33,040
This is just a really dance into its own beat by giving you almost exactly what you expected, but making it weirder.

1163
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:49,200
Yeah, this is I know this one's funny to me, a recognized film critic, Ty Burr from the Boston Globe gave it a hundred on Metacritic and the blur underneath it says it's not a perfect movie, but it may be a great one.

1164
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:50,400
He gave it a hundred.

1165
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,240
I think a hundred means it's a perfect.

1166
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,720
I thought I thought that always meant it was a perfect.

1167
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,760
But maybe you go you beat to your own drum, buddy.

1168
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:05,440
That's what that's what I learned from Jordan Hoffman from the Guardian from LA Times.

1169
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:11,440
Another 100 Justin Chang easily its most exciting iteration in decades.

1170
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:14,400
The first flat out terrific Star Wars movie since 1980s.

1171
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:15,520
The Empire Strikes Back.

1172
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:21,440
It seizes upon Lucas Lucas's original dream of finding a pop vessel for his obsessions.

1173
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,400
Akira Kurosawa epics.

1174
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:30,800
John Ford Western science fiction serials and fulfills it with a verve and imagination all its own.

1175
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:33,220
Wow.

1176
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:35,360
Wow, wow, wow.

1177
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,760
We'll do let's get at least below a 100.

1178
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,920
These there's a good amount, though.

1179
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,360
People just give given a tens.

1180
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:53,520
We'll do IGN to IGN with a 97 as a video game publication or website.

1181
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:58,560
Star Wars The Last Jedi is the quintessential Star Wars movie.

1182
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,640
It embraces everything in the franchise that came before while taking big risks

1183
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,520
to push the story into new and unexpected places.

1184
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:08,160
And then we'll do.

1185
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:10,560
Hey, we'll do two more.

1186
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,840
There's a lot from time Stephanie Zachary.

1187
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,800
90 no matter how much money has been poured into a movie,

1188
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,720
it's emotional generosity that it's emotional generosity that matters.

1189
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,480
And Johnson gives without squandering.

1190
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:24,640
His great gift is that he knows when to stop.

1191
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,760
And then last one from New York Times, Manole Dargis 90.

1192
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,600
Yes, the latest Star Wars installment is here and lo,

1193
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:38,800
it is a satisfying at times transporting entertainment.

1194
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:42,560
Remarkably, it has visual wit and human touch.

1195
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:47,280
No small achievement for a seemingly indestructible machine that revved up 40 years ago and shows no

1196
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,520
signs of sputtering out ever.

1197
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:50,320
It's.

1198
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:57,200
I was going to say, OK, yeah, man, everyone, everyone who's anyone really gives their

1199
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,720
opinion on this movie that you would care to hear from.

1200
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,120
We got all the publications here.

1201
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,080
Oh, this is the one that I like to check in every now and then with

1202
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,960
the Christian Science Monitor with Peter Rainer, a 75 out of 100.

1203
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,960
Star Wars The Last Jedi is the eighth movie in the series and one of the better ones.

1204
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:21,040
I'd rank it behind the Empire Strikes Back, still by far the best and the first film.

1205
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:25,840
But it's about on par with the enjoyable last episode Force Awakens, which also awakened

1206
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:29,200
the long more and more abundant franchise.

1207
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:30,080
I've never said that word.

1208
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:30,640
I've read it before.

1209
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,680
More bound, more abundant.

1210
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,280
Oh, oh, got it.

1211
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,600
It's not it's not spelled bound, but I know what the word mean.

1212
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:38,400
I just whatever.

1213
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,440
Like, yeah, like more and more to come.

1214
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:41,680
Right.

1215
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:42,960
But it's like one word, right?

1216
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,680
It's like it was like it's like to say, you know,

1217
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,480
it's like it was like it's like to see like more.

1218
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:49,040
Yeah.

1219
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,000
Oh, morbid.

1220
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,840
It's like kind of what it's what's that that was more abundant

1221
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,440
because like, I don't know, more is like the like kind of death and everything

1222
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:01,680
at the point of death.

1223
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,440
I'm going to try to see if more abundant.

1224
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:04,000
Oh, there we go.

1225
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:04,800
Google did it for me.

1226
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,040
I'll share my screen so you can hear more abundant.

1227
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,960
I get my practice and I hope you're enjoying this.

1228
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:12,480
I feel like I've done this on the podcast before.

1229
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:15,840
I need to make it a segment of like, how do you say that word?

1230
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:16,240
You ready?

1231
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:18,640
Moribund.

1232
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:20,400
Moribund.

1233
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,280
Moribund.

1234
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:21,920
Moribund.

1235
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:22,560
Moribund.

1236
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:24,240
Moribund.

1237
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:25,360
Moribund.

1238
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,040
Moribund.

1239
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:27,360
Thanks.

1240
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:30,800
All right.

1241
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:35,120
Then we're going to go to audience reviews here.

1242
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:41,520
Let's check out some negative reviews from fans on the tomatoes.

1243
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:49,440
They give it a 42 stinky stinky and I'm going to pull some from Metacritic is really the same

1244
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:57,840
situation where it's an average 4.1 by audience and a 84 by critics.

1245
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:58,480
It's interesting.

1246
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,520
I guess it's just yeah, like a 41 and 84, I guess you could say.

1247
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:09,760
But there's some real intensity with some of these some of these reviews,

1248
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,760
but let's let's get into it.

1249
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,840
We'll start with a zero from grasshopper.

1250
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:20,320
They say here are some scores from the so-called professional movie critics on this site.

1251
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:32,160
The Godfather part two 85 Star Wars Last Jedi 85 The Departed 85 Silence of the Lambs 85

1252
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:37,520
The Pianist 85 Fargo 85

1253
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,600
This is one of those movies that we gave high scores to and no one's ever seen it again.

1254
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:43,840
Now it's up to you to find the mistake.

1255
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:47,040
Proving their point.

1256
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,000
Gary Antis gives it a one.

1257
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:54,800
Guy who directed this should be fired so great potential after Force Awakens wasted.

1258
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:59,840
Ridiculous choices and bad acting only Finn put an effort in it and director forgot about him.

1259
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,800
Movie was so bad that I created an account just to write it.

1260
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,680
From Hunter Zolomon gives it a zero.

1261
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,480
The worst part about this movie is is not that it's a poorly written movie with terrible or

1262
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:15,920
non-existent character arcs, poor plot, out of place humor or ham-fisted political commentary.

1263
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,520
It's not even that it ignores established Star Wars canon or lore.

1264
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,840
It is awful because it attempts to ruin everything about Star Wars that made it such a beloved

1265
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,280
story in the first place.

1266
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,760
Instead of wisdom, we get book burning.

1267
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,400
Instead of optimism and faith, we get nihilism.

1268
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:35,600
Instead of hope, we get pessimism and despair.

1269
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,720
The movie is an all-out assault on Star Wars as a phenomenon.

1270
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:39,760
It left me cold.

1271
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:44,400
It seems as if the people in charge of the franchise at Disney really hate the original trilogy.

1272
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:48,720
Charged.

1273
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:49,360
Charged up.

1274
01:23:50,480 --> 01:23:51,200
Charged.

1275
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:51,920
Do maybe like a

1276
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:53,120
Charged.

1277
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:54,080
Couple more, two more.

1278
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:56,880
Drew Man, 82.

1279
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,440
One gives it a one.

1280
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:03,680
I'm writing this review to document that I am a real human being and not a bot,

1281
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:07,360
which frankly is a pathetic excuse for apologists of this thing to make.

1282
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,160
The Last Jedi is just not a good movie.

1283
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:14,000
If this were any other franchise, we would all be laughing about it in a

1284
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:18,320
MST3K slash Rift Rack sort of oh, mystery science theater,

1285
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:19,840
Rift Rack sort of way.

1286
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,480
Because Star Wars means so much to people.

1287
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:24,240
There is polarization.

1288
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:27,360
Yeah, it's perfect.

1289
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,040
This movie isn't bad because I didn't get what I wanted as a fan of the series.

1290
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:34,880
This movie is bad because I didn't get what I wanted as a fan of movies in general.

1291
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:37,040
There we go.

1292
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,960
Lame jokes, unlikable characters, a boring plot that goes nowhere.

1293
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:46,000
And some of the worst editing and pacing I've seen this side of the Transformers franchise.

1294
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,880
In six months, when this trash is on home media,

1295
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,080
all of its supporters are going to have a hard time defending it.

1296
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,840
The only good thing about this movie is the commitment by every actor to try and make it work.

1297
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,680
Star Wars movies are supposed to leave you with the want to come back to the galaxy far, far away.

1298
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,000
And I honestly don't care after this movie.

1299
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:06,880
People saying what they feel.

1300
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,520
I'm going to do one more from New Zealand gives it a two.

1301
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,120
New Zealand as a country came out and posted the statement.

1302
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,720
This movie left me empty.

1303
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:21,680
It was way too much like Empire Strikes Back, but in such a bad way because it was so disconnected

1304
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:22,960
and implausible.

1305
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,000
So many lines said by characters made no sense.

1306
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,800
A disconnected, senseless movie.

1307
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,280
I've never watched a movie and thought, what are they doing?

1308
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:32,880
Why did they say that?

1309
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:38,000
And if the director could please tell me how bombs fall in the near vacuum of space.

1310
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,120
Oh, fair question.

1311
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,200
They really need to teach more science in schools.

1312
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,640
How about how about no bombs at all?

1313
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,600
I thought Star Wars was about laser beams and lightsabers.

1314
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,120
I could go on, but why bother?

1315
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:54,960
Let's just join the critics, clap our hands and drool at all the fancy cinematography.

1316
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,600
No, I am an old Star Wars fan.

1317
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,840
Yeah, I didn't figure that one out, but I have no desire to watch any more new movies.

1318
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:03,200
Excuse me.

1319
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:06,720
I need to leave an attempt to empty my memory of this ridiculous movie.

1320
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,960
I remember people like actively trying to like remove this from the lore and like sign petitions.

1321
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:16,400
I feel like we're like, can you remove this from the lore and redo this the same way that

1322
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,080
they try to do the Game of Thrones?

1323
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:18,800
I don't know.

1324
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,120
So that stuff is just it's silly to me.

1325
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,080
So you can walk out of a bad movie and it's OK.

1326
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,200
But but on the same thing, like if we can, I mean, even relate to,

1327
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:32,640
you know, the most recent James Bond and how that affected us in the end of that.

1328
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:37,520
I think that, you know, affected some old time James Bond fans of like, fuck, they.

1329
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:38,480
Oh, absolutely.

1330
01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:39,760
Yeah, really changed how.

1331
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:42,560
Yeah, really supposed to feel about crazy.

1332
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:43,920
Yeah.

1333
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:44,160
Yeah.

1334
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:49,040
More nihilistic and pessimistic sort of sort of way looking at the James Bond world and you kind

1335
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,960
of have to like deal with it a little bit.

1336
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,720
So yeah, I kind of get it get to an extent.

1337
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:55,680
And for me, it's like.

1338
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:02,560
I kind of felt that way when Jurassic World came out as a as a long time Jurassic Park

1339
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:07,360
for like even like as much as I like the second one, the third one is OK.

1340
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:12,160
And all of it just seems like more limited than the world that Star Wars,

1341
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,760
the universe that Star Wars offers is like, oh, you can tell so many different stories.

1342
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:21,440
I mean, Jurassic World and all that's like telling the same story again of like opening a park

1343
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:22,240
and it goes wrong.

1344
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,800
Except there's more people there.

1345
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,760
There's not anything inherently wrong with that.

1346
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:29,680
No, and I didn't get that.

1347
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:30,320
That's not a movie.

1348
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,080
That's not a great negative.

1349
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,240
And that ends up being a trilogy as well.

1350
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,160
And it just kind of gets worse and worse.

1351
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,240
Characters are the problem.

1352
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,600
And I just don't those ones don't leave me running back to it.

1353
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:46,320
But I just I think there's something so intense about Star Wars where people really hold it to

1354
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:51,840
such a high regard in the stories that tells us books that are made, there's shows, there's games.

1355
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,200
There's so many things.

1356
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:54,640
There's amusement parks.

1357
01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:03,840
Disney Disneyland has Star Wars and it's just it's just so big and vast that as as people,

1358
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:07,840
I think they even tell themselves their own stories that they want to hear in this big

1359
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:16,720
universe about there's so much, you know, so yeah, getting getting intense about a franchise

1360
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:23,120
reviving itself under Mickey Mouse and doing it in this shiny glossy way.

1361
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,640
Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna leave people feeling differently.

1362
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:34,400
It's just interesting that it's a critically favored Disney Star Wars movie that audience

1363
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:39,520
is just like, hey, in a blockbuster that audiences just like dump on.

1364
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:45,520
Because yeah, it's yeah, for a blockbuster to make swings, it's it's just an interesting little

1365
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:50,080
little nugget for a for a middle movie as well, the one that should be pushing things forward

1366
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:53,600
from the first one, and then leading things into the third one.

1367
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:58,000
It really seems kind of like it's yeah, its own own thing in a weird way.

1368
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,400
But I think yeah, I don't know, do you have any other feelings about

1369
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,640
the polarization litmus test we just took?

1370
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:11,520
And then you want to move into your review and a score to match?

1371
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:14,960
Yeah, I mean, the polarization is clear.

1372
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:20,880
My mind is that, you know, you're given at the helm of this movie is somebody who has

1373
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,560
made some interesting statements in their own movies before that brought that into this

1374
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:25,120
movie.

1375
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:30,880
And then and he was given the reign to continue to make those, you know,

1376
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,120
not odd, but different choices.

1377
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:39,440
And yeah, for better or for worse, I get why this is polarizing, because I can sympathize

1378
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:45,120
with people wanting, you know, a lot of the stuff that I liked about Force Awakens was

1379
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:52,320
because that it was a retelling of the old one of the old series.

1380
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,720
And yeah, for better or for worse.

1381
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:59,600
I mean, yeah, again, it's just weird, because usually I'm all about, you know,

1382
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:04,320
all about not doing that.

1383
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:10,080
But there is something to be said about telling it's kind of doing both kind of like have

1384
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,640
its cake and eat it to a bit for sure.

1385
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:13,520
Yeah, absolutely.

1386
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:14,480
So, um.

1387
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:22,880
No, yeah, no, I'm it's it's so clear just watching this movie how, you know, it's this.

1388
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:23,760
Yeah, there's no.

1389
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,360
There's no middle ground in this.

1390
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:31,440
This movie, this is one of those movies where you're either going to love or hate it.

1391
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:38,240
And I'm curious where you are going to put yourself, this lover or hate it to the next room.

1392
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:40,080
Where are you at?

1393
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:41,600
Let's hear it.

1394
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:42,880
Oh, you're not going to give your score yet.

1395
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:43,280
We're going to.

1396
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,840
Oh, you want me to go first?

1397
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,000
I thought that was your kind of final review right there.

1398
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:52,480
I know you like, you like, you're like, this is like feeling like, what's your score?

1399
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:54,320
Like we can say it at the same time if you want.

1400
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,520
I can I can say my piece and then we can say our scores at the same time.

1401
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:00,880
Oh, OK, OK, whatever.

1402
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:01,760
I don't know.

1403
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,080
Just know, just continue on and then say you're saying.

1404
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:09,360
Yeah, yeah, let me just let me just think we know generally like how what what side

1405
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:09,760
we're going to.

1406
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,080
Yeah, we know what side is.

1407
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:15,200
There's a lot of a lot about this movie that I did not care for.

1408
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:16,800
A lot of it is because of.

1409
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:19,920
Yeah, the cake and eat it to is really great.

1410
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:24,160
This is a wonderful use case of that because not only does it have a lot of the same

1411
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:28,560
stuff from a lot of homages to the older movies, but it makes.

1412
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:34,400
It makes these choices these really big choices to be different.

1413
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:40,000
And it overall makes me feel like it just like devalues

1414
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,480
what has come before in a way that is a bitter pill to swallow.

1415
01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:48,800
And it's, you know, maybe, yeah, maybe there's an alternate universe where I'm like,

1416
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:55,680
oh, really loving the challenge of that, of not being given the, you know, the soda

1417
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:57,440
and given the water instead.

1418
01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:00,000
But in this case, it really just doesn't work for me.

1419
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:05,200
And a lot of it has to do with how disconnected the story is from a lot of things and how

1420
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:12,640
yeah, it's hard not to want to make certain just like, oh, you know, this is what I loved

1421
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:13,840
about this old property.

1422
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:18,560
It doesn't have to be exactly the same, but you are just so far from that, that

1423
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:19,120
it really.

1424
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:22,240
It's not good for me.

1425
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:25,200
I'm going to give a score for this movie.

1426
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:29,200
Yeah, for me, this is a 42 percent.

1427
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:29,760
Forty two.

1428
01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:32,720
Fair.

1429
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:38,720
And I think you laid out your issues very well this whole time.

1430
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:40,160
I feel like it's been interesting.

1431
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:40,560
Kind of.

1432
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,800
It's been nice hearing kind of like every side.

1433
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:49,360
I feel like not every side, but our our sides are kind of different.

1434
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:50,800
I think that's been interesting to.

1435
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:57,040
In a way, highlight more out of this movie than we normally would sometimes when you

1436
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:01,440
do agree so much, because it is a lot of like affirmation of like, yeah, I feel that way

1437
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:01,600
to.

1438
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:02,560
Yeah, this movie's awesome.

1439
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:03,920
Or yeah, this sucks.

1440
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:05,200
Yeah, I totally agree.

1441
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,840
It was fun having this back and forth with with you.

1442
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:08,160
Definitely.

1443
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:09,760
Yeah, I agree.

1444
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:10,480
This was fun.

1445
01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:16,320
And overall, I think I've come down to this movie has more good in it than than bad for me.

1446
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,920
It takes some some swings in some ways that I really enjoy.

1447
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:29,200
And I think starting out, you know, the the space battle and all that stuff is a normal

1448
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:33,760
way to start a Star Wars movie and the sacrifice of the person like plays out well,

1449
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:34,320
cinematically.

1450
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:38,000
And there's a lot of a lot about this movie that cinematically plays out if you don't

1451
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,640
think too much about bombs falling and and all that.

1452
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:41,680
But I will.

1453
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:44,480
Yeah, that's such a small nitpick.

1454
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:44,640
Yeah.

1455
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:51,440
But yeah, I will give in on some of the humor is a little bit like a little,

1456
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:55,280
a little rough for me, but also doesn't doesn't ruin the overall what they're trying to

1457
01:33:55,280 --> 01:34:00,960
accomplish with with the characters and the I think the theming, just the theming and

1458
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:08,640
the messaging of this movie rise above some of the the narrative issues with me,

1459
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:17,760
namely with the Holdo post stuff, I think kind of not censors, but not fully utilizing

1460
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:23,120
like the characters in those moments and having them just be locked into the ship and having to

1461
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:25,840
move through space at a slow glacial sort of thing.

1462
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:29,440
It's kind of and then all the layer thing is the weaker part.

1463
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:34,000
But to move out of that, to discuss my those are kind of more criticisms.

1464
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:44,720
I I think for them to slow the movie down, have Ray and Luke have conversations was my jam,

1465
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:49,760
like them just like talking about the force and talking about what's going on internally

1466
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:56,640
for her and also not giving too much away because I think the idea of her past not really

1467
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:01,840
mattering about who she is now and what she's going to do and giving her independence apart

1468
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:06,000
from the stock that she's been placing in the whole world, the whole universe has been

1469
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:11,600
placing in these legends to come to either come to their aid or represent what they want

1470
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,840
to represent rather than that person being who they are.

1471
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:19,600
They are expecting that person to rise up to this preconceived notion of what a hero,

1472
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,600
what a Luke Skywalker would be and should be.

1473
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:30,000
And I thought him instilling that independence in her and looking in her and and also and

1474
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,840
teaching her something, but also learning something from her about Kylo.

1475
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:39,600
All that's all that stuff played well in the connection between her and Kylo worked better

1476
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:40,400
for me.

1477
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:44,000
It was a kind of a cheap little bit of a cheap use of exposition.

1478
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,240
I think between having them have that connection.

1479
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,160
I I know that's how I felt the first time.

1480
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:54,400
I'm like, this is just a way for them to like connect them and have these conversations

1481
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,440
about about stuff that when they wouldn't otherwise.

1482
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:02,800
But those conversations were so important about revealing his side of the story and

1483
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:07,440
then later revealing Luke's and the stories that you tell each other and everyone around

1484
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:09,760
you is a game like a is like a game of telephone.

1485
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,160
And that plays into those stories.

1486
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:15,360
We tell each other about Luke and heroes and everything.

1487
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:19,760
And I and and then the casino plan worked a little bit better as well.

1488
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:21,280
Love Benicio.

1489
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,240
Phasma coming back is like fine.

1490
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:29,040
And I even like thought about like, oh, she got thrown in garbage compact or last movie.

1491
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:34,000
And I was like, oh, wait, that's the perfect plot hole, because that's what happens to

1492
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:38,240
fucking Luke and all them is they get thrown in a trash compactor and they get out.

1493
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,720
So it's they showed it's passable.

1494
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:46,000
If you have an R2, but R2, R2.

1495
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,600
And then, yeah, yeah, I think that's just my overall thing.

1496
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,680
Just it's it's more good than bad.

1497
01:36:53,680 --> 01:37:02,320
I love the fact that whole idea of the forces with everyone and the the final note at the

1498
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:07,360
end of the little kid and all that just it warms my heart and it bums me out that it

1499
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:11,200
really, like, makes people so upset.

1500
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:12,640
But it is what it is.

1501
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:19,280
And I I know if you're Mark Hamill and you also aren't sure about the characterization

1502
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:24,640
of somebody who've played one of the most important things you've ever done in your

1503
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:28,480
lives, then I trust his intuition.

1504
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:35,920
But I also appreciate Ryan Johnson taking that hero and deconstructing that hero.

1505
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:43,440
And deconstructing the the hero's Odyssey and like the whole Joseph Campbell of it all

1506
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:49,280
was, I think, warranted to to re-refix that a bit.

1507
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,720
And then it also gave, I thought, more weight to Ray.

1508
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:58,880
And I thought the first half of and having Ray and everything was was handled well.

1509
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:02,320
Yeah. So more good, more good than bad.

1510
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:06,000
And I think the bad doesn't doesn't outweigh it too much.

1511
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,040
I was leaning between 70 and 80.

1512
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:11,840
So I'm going to go.

1513
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,440
So I love it.

1514
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:15,840
Love it.

1515
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:16,160
Love it.

1516
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:16,480
Love it.

1517
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:17,040
Love it.

1518
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:17,600
76.

1519
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:19,040
Sounds good.

1520
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:24,880
Yeah, this is I didn't and I didn't expect to like it this time around because I feel

1521
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:29,040
like hearing so much discourse after the first time I saw I almost didn't want to revisit

1522
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:32,560
it because I'm like, then I'm just going to see all the things that those people said.

1523
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,240
And I'm not going to like it as much.

1524
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:36,960
And I saw and I saw what people were talking about.

1525
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:40,080
But still, it's such a feel movie for me.

1526
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:47,760
I just feel feel it when I when I watch it and it makes me feel warm and hope and like

1527
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:53,040
humanity and that whole sort of like how they how they describe the forces really

1528
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:57,280
and how they build that lore out in this movie is something that I've

1529
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:02,080
latched on to more than more than a lot of the other Star Wars movies.

1530
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:08,160
And I get why some of the critics have have been so hot on it as well is because it's

1531
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:13,360
just and it's just again, this is like the perfect fucking movie for our our podcast.

1532
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:21,040
And it's one that the I was looking for an idea for a podcast and this was something

1533
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:22,400
that I was I had considered.

1534
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:26,240
And then I was browsing through Reddit and I saw an infograph and this was one of

1535
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,640
the highest listed, most polarizing movies.

1536
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:32,480
And I saw this infograph of all these movies that were polarizing and I sent it to you.

1537
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:37,760
And so, yeah, this is this is one of those that really anything like started the podcast

1538
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:41,440
and a lot of like, wow, yeah, for sure this idea.

1539
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:46,400
So and for us to be polarized on it is very fitting.

1540
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:47,840
So it's really funny.

1541
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:51,520
It's kind of been the perfect episode and I've been looking forward to doing it.

1542
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,400
And I'm glad we we we knocked it out.

1543
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:58,720
And you may think we're done, but next time we will be doing Rise of Skywalker to close

1544
01:39:58,720 --> 01:39:59,920
to close us out.

1545
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:07,120
Yeah, let's close it out and and get finished with our feelings about the trilogy and how

1546
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:13,040
J.J. Abrams attempts to get it back to what he was trying to do.

1547
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:14,080
I guess I don't know.

1548
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:15,040
Yeah, right.

1549
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:16,000
It is.

1550
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,240
I haven't seen that movie since theaters either.

1551
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,640
And it's that was like a fever dream.

1552
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:24,640
And it it holds.

1553
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:27,440
I remember coming out of it being like, I love that.

1554
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:28,440
Cool.

1555
01:40:28,440 --> 01:40:29,440
Oh, yeah.

1556
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:30,440
Really nice.

1557
01:40:30,440 --> 01:40:31,440
Yeah, I did.

1558
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:37,840
And then I thought about it more and I was like, oh, yeah, who knows?

1559
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,080
I feel like there's there's some good stuff in there.

1560
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:41,840
There's some there's going to be some good stuff.

1561
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:48,400
But also, it's like kind of being on the there's this ride called X.

1562
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:49,400
Yes.

1563
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:54,280
At Six Flags, this amusement park near near us.

1564
01:40:54,280 --> 01:41:01,400
And you like do like flippies while the like the car itself is doing flippies while the

1565
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:02,920
train is doing flippies as well.

1566
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:08,800
Yeah, because it's all about like X being that it like rotates and.

1567
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,600
And I looking at it like, wow, it's insane.

1568
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:11,600
We got to try it.

1569
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:13,200
And I remember when I first came out, it's called X2.

1570
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:14,600
Now it's funny to make it a sequel.

1571
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:19,000
But every time we come up, I come off that ride with people, it's like.

1572
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,760
What just happened?

1573
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:24,800
Like I think either people like it or they're just kind of like, I feel sick and I have

1574
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,080
no idea what just happened.

1575
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:30,880
But most of most of the time, it's kind of people kind of confused of like, I don't even

1576
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:31,880
know what that was.

1577
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:32,880
That's kind of how we feel.

1578
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:33,880
We're walking on a rise.

1579
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:42,400
The Skywalker was like walking out of like one of those crazy coasters.

1580
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:47,920
That that one ride at Disneyland, the rise of the resistance, we should do a yeah, that's

1581
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:49,120
how we got to end the Star Wars.

1582
01:41:49,120 --> 01:41:51,560
We got in between this and next conversation.

1583
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:53,640
We got to go to Disneyland and ride that together.

1584
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:54,640
OK, OK.

1585
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:55,640
We got to go.

1586
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:56,640
Well, yeah, we're off to Disneyland.

1587
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:57,640
Just for one ride and then and then we're good.

1588
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:58,640
We're out of there.

1589
01:41:58,640 --> 01:41:59,640
Been a true pleasure.

1590
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:00,640
Five hours later.

1591
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,640
And then we just come back and start recording again.

1592
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,640
OK, we did it.

1593
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:10,520
This has been a true pleasure.

1594
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:13,440
I see Mel Brooks and the

1595
01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:18,440
chat.

1596
01:42:18,440 --> 01:42:19,920
It is very funny.

1597
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,920
It's funny, right?

1598
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:23,840
Yeah, that's a God.

1599
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:26,160
What a what a class act.

1600
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:27,720
I love it.

1601
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:29,720
Just watch Blazing Saddles again.

1602
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:31,600
It's like a yearly revisit for me.

1603
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,160
It's just too funny.

1604
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:37,560
And him and just the cross-eyed mayor is just the funniest thing.

1605
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:38,560
Yeah.

1606
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:40,160
All right.

1607
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,200
So yeah, that was that was us.

1608
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:43,200
This is you.

1609
01:42:43,200 --> 01:42:47,360
This is where we this is where we are all together.

1610
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:50,600
If you'd like to reach us, you can watch us live polarized.

1611
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:56,840
Wait, which twitch.tv slash polarized pod, twitter.com slash polarized pod.

1612
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:02,120
If you want to reach us there, send us a line at polarized upon a Gmail dot com.

1613
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:09,480
Join us on our other podcast prod pod where we talk about producers, music producers.

1614
01:43:09,480 --> 01:43:10,680
We've we're pretty new.

1615
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:13,960
We've done about three episodes so far.

1616
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:16,420
You can reach us on like Spotify and Apple.

1617
01:43:16,420 --> 01:43:19,840
We just got on Apple podcasts as well.

1618
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,200
Rate and review and subscribe on there as well for both of those.

1619
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:24,480
We have that music producer podcast was really fun.

1620
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:28,400
We did Diplo, Todd Rundgren, Barry Berry Gordy of Motown.

1621
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:37,520
We are currently investigating a certain Max Martin, a creator of culture at large

1622
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:39,800
and just fucking single.

1623
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:40,800
Banger, baby.

1624
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:44,760
It's been so fun listening to so much Max Martin hits.

1625
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:47,280
Phil more like hits Martin.

1626
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:50,120
It's been a fun way to listen to music, to chart the course of producers.

1627
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:53,440
And it's taught me a lot about music.

1628
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:54,760
It really has.

1629
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:58,560
It's just like this podcast taught me about watching movies as well.

1630
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:02,440
That taught me about music by and large.

1631
01:44:02,440 --> 01:44:03,440
Yeah.

1632
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:04,440
Join us on the ride.

1633
01:44:04,440 --> 01:44:05,640
We love it.

1634
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:10,920
And we have our good friend Corey slash large to join us there to a great musician.

1635
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:12,960
We just saw a little brief concert report.

1636
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:13,960
We saw his show.

1637
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:14,960
Nowhere Land.

1638
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:16,240
Recently, a great band.

1639
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:19,400
If I can do a little plug at the end, check out Nowhere Land.

1640
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:20,540
They're working on some new stuff.

1641
01:44:20,540 --> 01:44:24,680
We saw it and it is awesome.

1642
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:29,980
Really good tunes and Brandini, Darth Brandini.

1643
01:44:29,980 --> 01:44:33,360
I will let you take your leave.

1644
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:36,720
OK, everyone, this is bad.

1645
01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:41,920
This concludes this portion of the podcast.

1646
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:44,640
Don't forget your bags and whatnot.

1647
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:45,960
We'll see you next time.

1648
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:47,440
Have you noticed Darth Brandy?

1649
01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:49,480
Darth Brandini's been kind of nice lately.

1650
01:44:49,480 --> 01:44:50,480
Yeah, well, anyways.

1651
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:55,320
OK, well, I know he's going to show me the finger again.

1652
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:57,960
Oh, no, he just blasted off.

1653
01:44:57,960 --> 01:44:58,960
We're cool.

1654
01:44:58,960 --> 01:44:59,960
All right.

1655
01:44:59,960 --> 01:45:00,960
See you.

1656
01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:01,960
See you later, everybody.

1657
01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:06,120
Bye bye.

1658
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:09,200
Bye.

1659
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,800
Bye.