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Talk about polarizing movies and the sense of rotten tomato scores.
My name is Brandon and I will introduce my co-host here in a second.
But I just want to let you know about the movie we're talking about a little bit more
of why we do the things that we do and talk about the things that we talk about.
So here on this podcast, we talk about polarized movies and since rotten tomato scores, sometimes
critics love it.
Audiences hate it or vice versa.
This movie that we're talking about today is Peter Pan and Wendy.
The score of this movie is 62% tomato.
I don't know about fresh from the critics and 11, ooh, stinky from the audience.
Yes, David Lowery came out this year, 2023 of our Lord.
Yeah, let's you know what?
Let's just jump right into it.
You get it.
I said it.
Well, OK, mission accomplished.
So the one that's about OK.
And now my co-host to talk to me about this, this movie is Mr. James Lindsay.
How the hell are you?
Hello, hello.
I am well.
I am better than the audience rating.
I'm feeling more like at least an 80 or above.
My mood wise, at least I'm I'm your mood wise.
Oh, my God.
I thought you were really jumping to the jump of the gun.
Oh, what the movie was?
I guess.
OK, hi, my name is James.
This is how I feel about the movie and I'll see you later.
Hi, I'm the forever guest.
And this one's going to be a short one for me.
Good luck, Randy on the rest.
Yeah, I wanted to be, you know, we want to say we came, we saw we conquered and that's
all folks.
Allow me to read or not read, but reverse, you know, card the introduction to you, the
great brandy.
Welcome.
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I'm going to do how about how about the nation?
Hey, you know, Brandon Brandini and James Brand and Pan Brandan and James.
Yep.
Or Brandass and James.
James asked from.
Yeah, well, the last episode, the last episode that we'll never talk about.
So don't ask us about it.
We're not going to talk about it.
So stop asking.
It's a stop talking about it.
It's all right.
So this is this is turning into a show of introductions.
But yeah, I'm doing.
Peter Pan and Wendy, it was a stinky audience score.
It's super duper poopy, stinky super into it.
Something that I that I've yet to talk to you about off of pod as well.
But I saw in the general chat of the polarized discord that you were trying to set up a certain
kind of tier list.
And I'm and I want to ask you live on on the pod.
Let's do it.
Why?
Why you were and what spawned this idea to start a Vince Vaughn movie tier list?
I thought we could this could be a time to talk about.
Absolutely.
You know, what?
And I even try to get some maybe some opinions in of of our tier list.
Sure.
I don't know.
I'm going to just do it on the fly and see how crazy this ends up looking.
But I am going to share my screen.
OK.
And I have my Vince Vaughn to your left.
Oh, cool.
I got my tier list.
So this will just be a review of your already made tier list because I have to make mine.
I mean, yeah, I sent you all the stuff if you want to.
I don't know.
Try to put it together real quick while I walk through mine.
I can.
I guess maybe I can figure out exactly how to.
Did you we don't have to get through the logistics of it.
It's OK.
No, please, please.
Just together to make the list.
It's all good.
I want to hear what your list is.
And that's it.
And then we can move on.
But I'm curious.
Yeah.
So this came up because some friends of mine, we were talking about the, you know, a friend
of the pod, Dave Myers had mentioned that he was like the internship and the watch totally
slap and I was like, not so fast, Mr. That is a brash statement in my mind because those
two movies are not that great.
The watch.
I mean, I mean, I'll talk about my tier list.
Maybe could be slightly better, but I mean, yeah, overall.
And so, yeah, we were we were getting kind of into a heated debate about the Vince Vaughn
movie universe.
And yeah, I really just spawned a healthy discussion about where his movie sit on a
tier list.
And so I put together a bunch of pictures of the posters and did my own tier list.
Nobody who's yeah, I'm sharing my screen.
So anybody on which which you can watch us do this live, polarize the pod.
What twitch.tv slash polarized pod.
Correct.
So let us through some some highlights here.
Let me run you through some highlights.
So S tier movies, Vince Vaughn.
So the way that I approach this before I say these movies is this for me was based on Vince's
performance in the movie or so than the movie themselves.
So I had to, you know, I had to also kind of do an addendum and make a declaration because
I will say that in my E tier, I have be cool, Starsky and Hutch and Zoolander.
And I don't think Zoolander is an E tier movie.
Not at all.
I think it is definitely like if it would be an eight year.
I don't think he has a line in that movie.
I don't think he says anything.
I don't think exactly.
So that's why it is an E tier for Vince Vaughn performance because, yeah, he really just
looks very blank and stoic.
And I don't believe it has a line.
Maybe he says like, don't upset dad.
Maybe it might be one line he says on it, but that's about it.
The extent of it.
And how about the villain in Starsky and Hutch?
I'm trying to remember.
It's been a while since I've seen that movie, but you seem to not care for his villain villain
performance.
Yes, because his villain performance and that is very similar to his villain performance
and be cool, which is very mean spirited, kind of like homophobic and a little racist.
Yeah.
Really bringing some weird gross energy to that.
There's a weird energy to that movie in general.
There's a weird energy to that movie.
Super weird.
Oh, you're talking Starsky and Hutch.
Yeah, just in general.
Be cool is weird.
Yeah.
Yeah, because I just remember there being a promo or whatever.
And it was just it was Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson just talking about how much they didn't
like making that movie.
And then Amy Smart and Carmen Lecture being like, oh, and I feel like it was they talking
about Adam McKay or forget who it was who worked on that movie, but they're like, oh,
yeah, I hated working with him, the director.
And he was very it was really uncomfortable with it.
And it was it seemed like this bit that they were all in on.
But I possibly but it was like this only bit period of time.
I feel like after that, that Owen Wilson and Ben Stiller like weren't working together
as much.
I'm like, oh, I was starting to think like maybe there was a fight they had or something.
But I don't know that I haven't I haven't seen that one in a while.
And I have also not seen the source material.
So moving on, I have not seen the remake of Psycho, which you have on.
It's not for DList, the Gus Van Sant shot for shot remake.
Yeah.
I've not only addition to the end of that, it's not a bad thing to bring up for the movie
that we're fucking talking about today.
Yeah, we made a shot for shot almost.
Yeah.
And then Mr. Smith, Mr. And Mrs. Smith, I have a fun I have a fondness for that movie.
And he's like the guy that kind of almost is just like his buddy on the side that hooks
him up with some weaponry, I think.
And he gets like quintessential like, hey, I'm a fast talking Vince Vaughn guy.
I'm going to tell you what you need to know.
And I'm going to stutter a lot.
And I'm going to kind of talk at an elevated pace and volume.
But you know, I'm just going to you're going to come to me and I'm going to get you some
some web.
Oh, you go your wife is or whatever.
That's my business.
That's essentially all he does.
Right.
And he can kind of comes out of nowhere.
But yeah, you're not crazy about that.
No, because it's it's not like he's like, oh, I'm going to go to the movie.
I'm going to go to the movie.
And if I can show you myлючuyish.
To the book.
Vince has done that where he'll just like operate at this cruising altitude in a film where he just like he has such charisma where he can just like say the lines in whatever way he feels like it's just like natural operating, you know, level or who he is.
And that is gets away with like, that's fine, I guess. But yeah, it just doesn't make for a good performance to just be fine and mediocre.
Yeah. And then I lost world in there, which I take some umbrage with because that was that is my as a young boy that didn't see swingers growing up as a as a child.
That was my introduction to Vince Vaughn was the lost world.
I take and I and I have defended that movie in the past as well as silly as it is but I always thought he was the coolest fucking dude in that movie I was just like man. He's like a photographer that shot wildlife and national Nat Geo stuff and then he just jumps on board to this thing and he lives he doesn't get eaten.
And I was like, Oh, he must be cool if he doesn't get eaten but um you're not you're not crazy about that one. That's okay.
Could you imagine a guy who's like six, five and looks like Vince Vaughn being a natural wildlife photographer.
What's a weird issue to have. He's too tall to be a photographer.
Okay, Brandon. All right, so now this whole tier list is poisoned with that logic.
Could you imagine him in the brush and he's just like half his body sticking out from behind.
Okay, Nat Geo photographer auditions, there's auditions.
All right, line up gentlemen.
Too tall.
Those lines are going to see you and take the see you go to some bridge with you.
Okay, all right. Anyways, the dilemma is that what it's that movie is called. I can't it's called the dilemma. It's very like low res so I can't really see some of these.
I can. That helps but maybe we should go a bit faster but I don't know this is fun too. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine.
I had to say my piece about last world.
Right. And then so okay but let's start. Let's work through this seat here we got. I have anchorman in there, not a seat here movie at all but his performance in it is like, I, the Dorothy Mantoo is a saint stuff is pretty funny.
I really enjoy it, but it's, you know, it's, it's not. Yeah, it's in. It's a, it's a small part. And yeah, it's, you know, see it's, it's great.
What's man tooth. It's when the West man tooth.
We remember his name.
You remember the man's name. It's a good, good time. I might have to move that up to be here because I because I couldn't tell you the name of, you know, john America.
He plays. That's not the only measure but that is pretty cool that we remember. I mean if I'm going to pick somebody being a wildlife photographer.
You're not going to be like a sniper or something like an army.
Absolutely. That is also what I'm saying is that you're not going to pick the year again you're not going to pick the six foot five.
You're going to pick the soccer to be the sniper to be, you're going to pick a Geo Vani Rubisi.
That's a good one. I'm going to pick that.
So then we got the watch we got internship. Is that what that one's called. Yeah.
I don't know what delivery man is about. I saw the trailer and that was funny enough bit.
It's one of those things where it's like it's it's like a heartfelt like a you know like a heartfelt Adam Sandler so it's not it's not that funny but he he matches the movie whether but it's just overall it's like average forget the kind of forgettable whatever.
So I mean like the last part of walk hard Dewey Cox story where he just meets all his kids at the end of the movie grows old and plays catch with all of his children.
Uh huh. He has like hundreds of children.
Except it's just because he's fucked so much.
He had to have. I'm trying to remember which came first delivery man or walk out the trailer is funny I'm going to I want to kind of continue or I don't know I want to bring up the trailer because I remember that being like a thing where it was like that's that's making a splash as far as the whole concept in the bit of it.
Yeah so in my in my beat here the delivery what is it delivery man yeah very man.
And then it might be my beat here for these is the breakup couples are trade for Christmases and hacksaw Ridge.
Oh, I'm pretty good. Yeah, I haven't seen a lot of these.
Pretty good and hacksaw Ridge, he plays a pretty main characters pretty good at it's an actually like more dramatic performance that he nails by and large.
Yeah, I should. I should maybe check that out. I just don't like that movie in general because it's just such a weird concept. And yeah, the whole time true story which is amazing.
Yeah.
People say that that's amazing but then again it's it's so, you know, so weird.
All right, let's I want to, I'm curious about this trailer.
The child is precious pictures of a person pictures of children.
But despite their differences.
All of these individuals have one thing in common.
David was neck. You are the biological father of 533 children.
You see makes are the result of a mix up at the fertility connect to which you donated in 1991. They are now suing to discover your identity.
What I love it as your lawyer. It's so good.
I love your identity. I don't have Chris. Chris Brad. I don't have mental problems. When we're in court I want you to say it exactly that way.
Oh and then star is that stars.
Something's not awesome. What are we seeing that song.
I have a lot of tangents right now. Cold. We are. Okay. Let's finish off this to your list.
Dodgeball a tier eight year dodgeball old school and then I put Vince Vaughn's Amity tour.
I have not seen that.
I have seen a bunch of good friends just cracking lies all the time. Just yeah. Really some of it I seen. Is it like Kevin Pollock and shit.
And then the yeah I think Favreau's even got a set in there.
Yeah, I just remember being a who family these guys.
It's the it's it's one for the boys. I thought breakup was pretty good. I never seen couples retreat.
I remember thinking breakup was pretty good. They had like chemistry between Aniston and him wasn't wasn't bad even though the chemistry was like antagonistic a lot but the
was like pretty good for a romantic movie that was the message was more about your independence that near the end of it. My memory is they you know they don't get back together they just move on and I like that.
Yeah right.
That's really good stuff.
Right yeah dodgeball old school and I kind of I mean dodgeball old school dodgeball that's his main. That's one of his few main roles movies. That's a big one. His performance is straight man, like, kind of.
Yeah right no yeah no ambition what is his line is something like, I don't make goals for myself in life so that I'm never disappointed in that kind of thing so it's just that he there's so much color around him that he doesn't have to do too much but be a schlubby schlubby man.
He does it well. And then, yeah, was your S tier once you read those ones off.
Oh yeah we got so here's all the heaters right S tier we got made swingers and wedding crashers these are just the top tier Vince Vaughn this is the made. That's, that's a fab room movie right.
Yep.
Swingers that's kind of like.
Yep. Yeah.
I gotta watch that. Yeah, swingers of course they're going to be there wedding crashers. Yeah, no argument there.
Yeah, just real real great stuff. Oh yeah, those are the three I would point somebody towards if they want to watch some great great Vince Vaughn stuff.
But yeah, that's it. That's the, that's the VV tier list. We talked about wedding crashes yeah being one of those movies you just, you can put on at any point and kind of finish when it's on TV.
Yeah. I don't think I would alter too much with that. I think I'm, I think I mean definitely put it together and put it in the chat and well, I would love to see it.
Yeah, it also made me realize I haven't seen a lot of his like later, later careers stuff.
But that's okay.
It's okay.
It's man I just last time I'll say it but not for not forever but just this podcast of how cool he was a monster man, he gets that line where it's like, where they say the in Spanish is like you let them wear tear or something he's like what does that mean and he like looks
at you and he's like, island of death.
Thank you.
I'll be, I'll be, I'm working on my vents Vaughn.
There it is. Let's get those claps going out there. Soundboard. All right.
Peter and when you write with that like psycho comparison of like the shot for shot thing and even starting from that, that point is almost interesting of like in a more like macro sort of way even to start is like, is that worth it to you.
As a movie to see is something that you kind of know going into it is going to be a live action representation of what something you you love so much is, and is, is.
Yeah, so when you do go into something like that what are you looking for are you looking for it to be super accurate to what the original is, and does that give you satisfaction or do the flourishes of change and alterations, make it more interesting
because it's, it's a if you're going to do an adaptation, is it worth it to see an alteration of a new voice, bringing life to something, or do you want to be as accurate to in this case the cartoon, or in other cases the book, or the play.
I mean, I should say for for this for this case but also in other so it's, it's such a fine line to walk down but this is a very specific case where it's Disney, and they're applying the process, the process to this Peter Pan story that they've done in the
past two other movies, and also the movie that we started our podcast on, which is the Lion King remake which was kind of the big near the beginning of these adaptations I believe in my memory or like Jungle Book and Lion King, or, and maybe maybe some
of the other ones that I'm feeling to remember but they've been going hard. Little Mermaid is on its way it's coming soon. Moana has, I think is they're working on to get the rock of the Moana which is 10 years out from the original so they're, they're working fast on these.
This, this is a loaded question because I'm just kind of talking, talking a lot about the whole process of this.
To you is there like a best case scenario, a best version of that or do you think it's worth it at all do you think they should just leave it as it is, what do you think.
What is the, what is the most successful version of it if they have in your mind. I mean, it's a really great question because it is something that inspires a lot of like internal conflict within me so that it makes me really try to analyze, or like, go seek
the word to where I find joy in, in like media because, you know, the, the older movies obviously have brought a lot of joy into the world and have been part of people's lives and growing up and whatnot.
And, you know, all of these remakes are just such a great example of like capitalism where it's, we have these products that we need to sell to people and we're just repackaging them because we look at it as these as investments and look at them as like
automatically you know line items, or yeah again things to put on a shelf, and how can we make money to keep this machine and keep the wheel turning right. And so there's just this, there's these two things built into it where we're, these are trying.
We're trying to inspire, you know, a new generation and trying to communicate visually in a language that Disney feels like that a newer generation would be more receptive, receptive of in order to communicate what the base concepts of these stories are because
the fundamental level with Disney right is since they're a family, you know, they're a company that provides content for families and has been just really, yeah, like, it's such a staple and such a banner carrier for here, we are going to communicate values of being
on all these different levels of like you know what it means to grow up like in this movie, you know, and then it's in all of these movies it's like be Aladdin you know, recognizing that being yourself is all you have to do.
And then you know that those kind of concepts to or you are common in a lot of these movies, because they're just fundamental concepts of human existence and growing up that people will continue to resonate with because it is never going to go out of style to be presented
with these ideas so that you can think about them and go on an adventure in order to learn those things right because I mean, tailors from the game, tailors all this time.
But yeah, so back to the question though is like what is because really you're asking me what is the I asked like 10 questions but yeah yeah but at the heart of it you're asking me like what is the ideal like a version of a remake.
Yeah, like, right, because I feel like I'm just curious about what the best version is for you, specifically in this scenario or if you think yeah if it's if it's worth it what they're doing or if they're trying to.
What is that like, isn't that like a theory right that they're making these just so they can maintain copyright over these things for years or whatever.
Yeah, definitely that. Yeah. But and just continue to update but yeah I think that's an overall feeling I'm curious about for you about this whole renegade of new versions, new live action versions and how you feel about it.
And,
but then, yeah, and if there's a good version of that that you've seen so far.
So good version that comes to mind for me is Moana and so good version of this for me is to not do a Peter Pan not like a live action adaptation like as a has there been a good version of like a live adaptation adaptation.
Moana is amazing for sure. Yeah, right.
There's really no adaptation is what I was kind of alluding to as a favorite. I would much rather like, you know, why, you know, you could tell this this same story of being afraid of growing up, and it doesn't have to be Peter Pan.
Like if anything like you a lot of it subverted in a way that would be more like just call it, I don't know call it something else almost where then you open yourself up to the freedom to not have to include Captain Hook and not have to include the crocodile
in it like you could, the crocodile could be anything else and Captain Hook could be anybody else, but they could still fundamentally serve as what those archetypes are like what they're there for to you know to make commentary on growing up and on what the like thesis of the movie is.
I'm trying to think of the best way not what they wanted to do here and yeah I know there's been was was pan there was the Peter Pan in 2003 I think it was, which was more faithful I think to the original Barry story.
But this one very very much is like the treatment that they did for, you know, and I haven't seen too many, the line I've seen the Lion King one and we talked about it, which I was a little more keen on and you weren't as big of a fan of.
But now, watching this one the reason why I liked, and I think I might I don't know we'll talk we'll talk about it more near the end about which one I prefer. But I just realized that it comes down to which story I like more and that really tells me that this, they
weren't really doing much beyond just telling that same story again, and then in a new kind of way. But my subjective opinion is based completely upon something that's already been put in in place which is those original movies.
So it. Yeah, it beckons a question to me and that's something I'm wrestling with him like is this worth it did it do enough for me to to exist.
You know, and it's like, yeah, I don't know. I thought the Lion King was one and it's not everyone's opinion to polarizing movie but I thought that one was like interesting in a way that was like very much planet Earth.
He and people didn't like that and for whatever reason I thought that was kind of cool seeing like real animals and behaving in a in a way that would be like, yeah, photo realistic and accurate to to how animal behavior would be but it's, I see where there were your point was
everyone else's point that didn't like that would does kind of suck the energy out of it a lot of it. Yeah, and that and I can kind of see that with this little bit too as much as I like David Lowry's cinematography and and his lighting and everything looks looks moody and interesting
and and and cool for how much effects that they are using. However, great for it being Disney and maybe you should be a little more like colorful lighthearted kids movie I'm not sure if it jives completely with it with it either and I think that was something I was also kind of
like I think I overall liked it but I can see a version of this which would be more catering to joy more joy attached. Yeah, I'm going to that you pick up on that I mean but I guess I don't know I don't know if we can if I can really come up and see and I I'm sorry I just I guess I don't want to fully leave like our stating what our best adaptations are.
But the thing is is I really have a hard time like picking what my good adaptation is because I'm always just left with this like this bad taste in my mouth of like what do we need this for like a Mary Poppins returns I feel like I'm trying and I haven't seen I didn't finish that one and I don't remember being super keen on that either but they I just remember as a child enjoying the like straight to video sequels I thought those were pretty cool and like
I don't know sure straight to video probably do shot for shot return of Jafar I'm sure they will because they've already done Aladdin. They've announced that they're going to already and yeah and I even like the king of thieves like the third one where you like his dad and shit.
But on yeah I I I would I I'm curious in that a little bit more of like doing like a subversion a subversion or a side story within the same universe is more interesting to me and the things that I was perked up on in this movie tended to be the things that were different than the cartoon rather than the things that were some of that stuff I was like oh it's pretty amazing that they were able to do that so accurately but that just kind of the interest wanes from you after like.
Pretty quickly and I I'd and another example another movie that we talked about in the Peter Pan universe is hook and that's a way cooler fucking movie too because it's like taking place in the universe but in a subversion in a different sort of way and delving into aspects that have already been introduced by Disney and doing it in a way that's worth it.
More worth it.
And it's not that I hate this. I hate this movie and I'm coming on pretty strong.
I'm coming very critical because this just about Disney's streak of doing this and the process of adaptation and how someone who has real artistry and the director I really like David Lowry and how they're able to work within that system as well.
I know is and have the voice we heard because is the movie looks like a David Lowry movie it looks like a Dave Oh my god yeah like for sure does a good thing yeah absolutely.
And I'm just questioning the how I would try to pan over things you know what's that totally totally because what you're saying is it's like the way this movie looks and the way that this is directed isn't the problem is the fact that Peter Pan is the subject matter of it and the Peter Pan
is a baggage and the, and the baggage being there is a, there's a Peter Pan that has existed and a bunch of them that have existed, and they have all brought together, they have all brought, you know, whether it's being more realistic being more fantastical whatever
or telling an adjacent story to have the characters but still get to the point all of that. And yeah, it's just it's tough where you're like I have already made an opinion on which one I like, and now I'm being presented with another version of it where I feel like I have to make these
comparisons, or at least it's extremely hard not to, and it's hard not to pick the one that's like more colorful and more joyous more. Yeah, fun.
Not to say this movie doesn't have some fun and a little bit of joy.
It does, but I mean the visual language of the movie at times would really communicate that things are very dour very, you know, is rather bleak, kind of minimal almost to and that maybe is a budget thing.
And that's, that can be okay as well but
do you want to talk about cat casting at all. I thought I thought the all the kids were were good there they were all so I mean Wendy especially I thought was was really good. And Peter Pan.
Great dude law was was a good choice as well I thought that was, I thought he had fun hamming it up there. I think my only issue is a little bit of the gap again. Not crazy. I was gonna say not crazy about the gap again I think that's, I can see the look like the look is okay but once
performance wise, it doesn't really like come through for me, that's the chance for where you can have a cartoon character person kind of liven up things a little bit and he's just a little bit more like just kind of down as well.
Right, which, which everything else already kind of is is. Yeah, so then, because I just immediately I'm like well, aside from gaff again like I right I don't, I don't mind anybody else's performance.
But the thing is is that the fundamental problem that I feel like both of us are having is that they have to fit into a David Lowry movie, which is again not a pretty realistic and doesn't allow for a lot of spontaneity in a whimsical sense or like very joyous or.
Yeah, I don't know kind of something that seems a little bit more.
I'm trying to think how childish some parts of this are, it can get there but it's, it really is firmly planted on the ground for a movie about flying is it not like, just you're always like their swords there's it like there was a part in this where I'm like, since the setting
and tone and performances whatever like it really made me think about these kids not having parents.
The last place all the sticks of this shed all the all the children that that energy was really great and directed well and I've taken that since our, especially since we've been doing our podcast.
And there's children in movies when when you can tell they're comfortable and having fun to me is such a sign of a good director. And I can tell that they're really comfortable and having a good time and enjoying themselves thinking you know that they're just playing pretend
and it's like it's got to, it's got to be fun and it's cool to see see that. Yeah, they're a little high it out it really feels like they found the fucking green night, and it looks fucking dope like the waterfall and like the fire and ship and I'm like,
really need like food and water and like how do they get here.
They do and it's just it's so weird to this movie is weird, because so hard. It's very artsy yeah especially that's artistic. Yeah, and a lot of that side of me as an admirer of movies is like, I was really blown away and loved a lot of the visuals of this.
And I really had so many times I'm like oh man this looks really good. Yeah, you know the, the, them flying for the first time and seeing the, the mermaids. Oh yeah going through the Big Ben.
Oh, oh my god that was really cool. Super sick going through the plane of existence or whatever and breaking apart.
That was, that was great. And you also get Alan Tudyk speaking of dodgeball.
Yeah, you get to not a pirate in this movie but this movie doesn't pirates.
I mean these that they work through that quickly there's there's things that are like a bridged and work through a little quickly and then they the time that they have extra they they spend in in interesting enough ways to, but they kind of the they move through that
and they don't paint Alan Tudyk the dad to be as much of intense intensely aggressively ass assholes yeah just more strict and stern and, and that's kind of it and then the mom has a has a talk with Wendy, which I thought is echoed beautifully at the end with her
and Peter, Peter Pan already say that right now and it was kind of near the end but I thought so the just the talk that her mom gave to her.
And the way that she gives that gives that same talk to Peter at the end was was like my one of my favorite parts of the movie for sure and I thought that was just beautiful filmmaking where it was a visual cue where it showed Wendy in the same way that she was looking at
her mom that Peter was looking at her and it made me emotional as well. And, and then also.
Yeah, I mean, I'm just kind of talking about everything but no, no, that's fine because I mean yeah this.
The thing is, is this movie is, we know this story, we don't necessarily need to go to get started and get to get through some of the differences which was how they had how Tinkerbell wasn't as much of an asshole either.
And I thought that was something that, while we're criticizing maybe not as much joy that is something that was in the, there's more assholes in the original. I like how the how Peter Pan still comes off kind of like an asshole and kind of like a jerk.
Very self centered right very immature and self centered yeah very much like me me me everything's about, you know, any just also in the character shallow worldview yeah because he's, he is like the hyper, you know, hyper representation of a child's like ego right and
forcing forcing yourself to stay in that, in that mindset and it's very selfish yeah.
Very much so. Yeah, and the God and just that whole scene of them him sitting like what is it sitting in a chair like I almost feel like it was like a stone chair or whatever.
So great night God, but having the conversation yeah about him, you know.
Yeah, him talking about the Lost Boys and talking about never wanting to grow up. And, you know, just because he, because hook is an adult. So in his mind growing up means becoming Captain Hook and Captain Hook is a bad person.
So he doesn't want to become a bad person. And that is how he feels like adults are is just a bunch of bad people which I mean you know it's understandable why kids can feel that way. I now just makes me think about how making the dad, such an asshole is kind of a good thing, because
it more clearly communicates that care that kind of idea that parents suck. They're like, they're, they're so, you know, they're just a self center but they're mean about it. I don't know.
But what you said earlier it's that is kind of how the original story is but in this one. It is a little different and I also like this difference to
the story of, oh no just little the Captain Hook thing because they were friends as children.
And then right. Right. And then you're like, banished hook right or like Shmee Shmee and then and then yeah he like banished took from the Lost Boys and then Shmee picked up hook as like a boy.
And that was like, Oh, wow, Peter pans like a huge asshole.
out that like Hook used to live there because his names cross out and everything and he like
vanished him so it was like and I get what you mean about the original but that was a that was a
difference that I thought was interesting about Hook's whole thing was extremely empathetic
towards him at a certain point and it made you kind of feel at least pity towards at least
always pity towards him and amazing his whole trip and everything and then Shmee's place and all of
it was like oh they added some weight to everything and then his the redemption of Pan apologizing to
Hook I thought was really nice those emotional moments and the weight of of the characters
was something that was added that I that I thought was an interesting redemption arc for Peter Pan
because I was worried I was for a second I'm like wow I really don't like Peter he did that to
Captain Hook that's so mean and then I was curious I'm like oh yeah Tinkerbell is usually an asshole
and the friend like jealous of Wendy and I if anything they Wendy and her form this uh this bond
that comes together and and one of my other favorite parts of when Tinker when Tink actually
gets to say something to her what she says is thank you for thank you for hearing me and I
thought that was so nice of like oh you listened and took the time to like try to understand and
yeah I don't know there's there's stuff like that that uh that did work for me but that stuck out
sounds like yeah I don't know it's like this is low key a great movie because I don't know I could
kind of get persuaded on this because of yeah there's elements of sure not a fucking 11%
this is a right shame on you audiences this is not 11% and the reasoning is troubling too I won't
even read some of the fucking bullshit oh man I'm I'm really interested I don't even I'm not sure
if I want to hateful comments but um I'm interested in some just general takes from the audience
because um yeah like okay sure this is not as this is more dour which could just overall create a
malaise and a be in an audience member and be like man I don't really necessarily want this like
a kind of realistic you know or a version of Peter Peter Pan but I just I don't know it's it's tough
because again I really just enjoyed the way that this movie looked and moved through its plot like
I don't know there wasn't really a lot of boring stuff it's it's up it like there again it was
bridged in some ways like even from like they get into Neverland quick you know that yeah you just
see the mermaids swimming like that hole coming into Neverland thing is really cool and the
mermaids are all like translucent and everything and luminescent yeah and they're not assholes
either they're I'm both I'm not like there's a lot of jerks in the in the original too the
mermaids are assholes in the original they are yeah and then tiger it's just tiger lily really
she's and then there's not as much with her like I think she's the one that gets kidnapped or like
held for ransom and like she is yeah yeah you watched the original recently so yeah she's the
one that and it's with the two boys as well is that how it works okay yeah and so there was there
is a little bit of just moving around of of that and not the you know less of the indigenous people
scene which was not handled well in the original so much so that if you watch the original now in
Disney plus there is an opening 15 second blurb about them like being apologizing yeah essentially
apologizing for for the racist imagery of the indigenous people of Neverland but I thought
yeah tiger lily's just a kind of a badass warrior that is yeah super badass gets a lot of horsework
yeah and she's just on Neverland living her life it seems like what's cool that's kind of a cool
idea of like the others just there's just people there that are like yeah no we were here before
you fucking pirates I love too that she she seemed so much more capable right because I've you know
in the original one it's very much of a damsel in distress uses bait you know um uh you know she's a
child right and so I can I can give it a little bit of credit like yeah you know she doesn't
necessarily have to be this really strong person you know as a child because yeah we're also kind
of talking about that of like you know trying to be the leader trying to be stronger than you are
is like almost a way into adulthood it's like part of the process of growing up is to you feel the
need to do to meet people there at a level where you're like I'm capable I you know I can do do
things and whatever and that yeah in turns actually ends up being yeah part of the yeah the change
that happens are contributing to the change yeah yeah and that that journey for Wendy is is executed
I think well because uh she is resistant at the beginning and and and has to step up in the time
of need like a hero would and a hero story and that's what the growing up thing is about is
is stepping up to the plate when when the time comes and um and yeah or just being awesome like
Tiger Lily uh yeah and then they yeah I felt like I thought that cave scene was pretty photo
realistic and accurate to what the original gator we can talk about the gator ticking gator and even
him putting his feet on top as it like comes up like that's so what I'm sure he must have been
Lowry must have been like oh we got to do that it's so fun oh we have to right yeah um but overall
I mean I feel like I've I've expressed my my feelings about uh the adaptation you know I
think that the it resonated well for me at the end with that conversation with Peter Pan on the
rooftop the apology that he gives to hook for all the fucked up shit that he he did I thought was
something that this movie offered that other adaptations haven't and if anything I could have
I might have been able to use more of that um but honestly I'm trying to think what else to really
cover because if you've seen this movie you kind of know it goes through it's the motions of the
first of the of the original cartoon and and add some but uh is there anything that I'm I'm am I
glossing over a little too much no no no you know you're good um no we're yeah we're tight on this
and I think oh the little kid man he's my he's so great the the youngest kid anytime he had a line
or was doing anything just stole the show and just looked so happy to be there his eyes would just
light up with this big smile of like uh what is what is the hat thing like oh a hat get his hat
he's like just this whole battle's going he's talking about like just getting a hat and just
like uh stuff is just uh I mean David Lowry really knows how to direct action a lot of this
I mean god the whole scene of the ship flying and all of that stuff
comprehensive action really really well directed and it just I mean David Lowry is really an
exciting director for me and this outing isn't isn't a bad outing for him in my mind if anything
we would just walk through Disney Town yeah right which also too because I was listening to um he
was on blank check for um during Tim Burton uh he was on for Sleepy Hollow really fun episode um and
then just watching some interviews and it's like he's such a really like smart down-to-earth guy
and you could just tell from a person who has always known that he's wanted to be a director
and has studied what it means to be a director in Hollywood is it's like there there's this whole
like going through the studio path as being a director right like needing to do a couple
for a studio before you get to do a movie for you like almost like a Green Knight isn't able
to be made unless he does a Peter Pan and does an episode of Skeleton Crew coming up for the
Star Wars tv show that's happening and he knows that of like I'm going to take these opportunities
because I get to work with a big budget which is an opportunity absolutely it's an opportunity
and he looks at us as such and it's just and it's kind of I don't know it's also really refreshing
the way that he talks because there's just a period of time in the late 90s early 2000s where
I just feel like so many directors were like trying to be so badass and you and I would just
see interviews with them and it's just like you don't want to sell out now you know I don't want
to sell out you know we got some fucking and some guns and some you know shit in this movie and
whatever and I just it's really so like wonderful to see progression in character of people that are
being like given being given opportunities to be like no yeah I just like grew up loving like he
talked about you know loving Steven Spielberg loving George Lucas movie you know that kind
of stuff and just the way he talks about stuff it's just really wonderful because he just
especially one thing that stood out to me is he's like the difference between working on something
like your story or I think I can a ghost story I'm sorry um oh yeah that movie you know a ghost
story to then working on a movie like Peter Pan is is like you are just there are more people
that you are working with but all of those people are incredibly capable so you really just it's a
it's an exercise in learning how to stick like stay true to what your vision is and to come and
to better communicate that effectively rather than just being like I got this fucking idea man and
I'm just gonna you know try to like you know like I don't know steamroll whatever in order to get
this version of a movie out because that's that's why you got hired because you made some fucking
artsy gritty movie whatever and David Larry's done that I mean fuck a green knight has heads
getting chopped off people getting killed really kind of like and it's like I love well and that
movie is minimal in a lot of ways too which is amazing like that and that makes it so that
everything that is on screen matters matters yes it's not like what the I like just throw in the
visual throw up which I see like the like the fucking flash movie I don't know I see the
trailers for the flash and I'm just like uh-huh I can't tell what the what the fuck's going on
it just like looks like visual throw up and like just things flying at you and and yeah for
for what you say about the action here I it's it's comprehensive and seeing a flying boat
never gets old for me it's so it's magic it's so fun and also I mean to your point about like
you know he can he can do an independent movie and he can do you know a block like a Disney
a big crowd and he can he can do both that's pretty amazing and it also reminds me of like
this early in career in his career and for any director for that matter it's like we got two
fucking Pinocchio movies because Zemeckis and del Toro just have to do their Pinocchio because
they're directors that just like oh I've always wanted to do a Pinocchio like it's always I know
just obsessed about that thing that I've wanted that every artist every director would want to
do their their version of Pinocchio whatever the fuck fucking Polly Shore's got to do his Pinocchio
um but this just strikes me as a movie of like there's a list of names of directors that we can
get to do this Lowry came up he did Green Night it's a fairy it's essentially a fairy tale
you can add um sort of right he did Pete's Dragon which is how he got this by he did he did Pete's
so it would actually go yeah because that's another interesting about these like remakes
and just Disney in general right now because this applies to Marvel and Star Wars all just across
the board just like they're the way that they kind of put these things together is you know and we'll
talk about it uh for our next movie um definitely because it's a it's a similar situation where
they're like we're going to get because I mean yeah you show it's like uh yeah you show your
competency there are there like the concept is adjacent to what the bigger movie is and I'm sure
people are like yeah he was great to work with it looks good it was probably like budgeting wise
I imagine that it's like there's so many things about working with David Lowry that people are
like the dude's fucking awesome yeah he's a great guy you know you gotta yeah definitely pick him
he's not a wacko like well come in there do the work and that's the thing and that can be to its
detriment because it does happen like sure in some cases it's just like really like paint by numbers
boring as hell whatever but it you know Disney comes in and picks you know people that have shown
competency and I'm sure have shown a level of character amongst the people that they work with
that are like yeah we're gonna pick them and it is cool I guess to my point is that it's cool
that that is the case to a degree that these more smaller indie-ish directors get these
opportunities to make these big movies because then that gives them kind of I don't know if
totally like a full blank check status I mean well because the movie has to be good but it does give
you the ability to potentially make more movies afterwards at a certain level you know you trust
them like there's the Lord and Miller situation by Disney and as well where they brought them on for
solo didn't seem to really trust them and took them off and put Ron Howard and you know elder
statesman statesman of film and everything to clean up whatever mess that Disney thought that they made
so and I just think that's interesting the Bond fans that we are when No Time to Die before that
came to be was a Danny Boyle situation and they didn't like what he was doing with it either so
it's like why would you bring these people in if you're not going to let them have full reign
and I do laud Lowry it's a Lowry laud it's a lower it's a lot for coming cutting through the fat
and placing his visual style on this movie successfully like I for what it's worth and
what and whatever criticism I say about it meshing or not it is a good looking fucking movie
and I agree he has a visual style that his is his own so much so that I might be able to see a movie
without knowing him and it's like oh this looks like a lot this looks like a Lowry this looks like
I might laud this Lowry I'm looking at this Lowry and I'm lauding that
Loving and lauding. Loving and lauding Lowry. That's our new fan. It's music man.
But yeah I think that is worthy of praise. We're huge fans of David Lowry on this on this pod
because yeah he's uh he's great he's exciting um and yeah I just I'm excited to see him because
I'm I hope he has a long career and I hope that he gets to do things he's really interested in and I
have a feeling we will benefit greatly from him being allowed to execute on things that are
interesting to him and to be supported in doing that and so yeah. Star Wars imagery is gonna yeah
it can work well for for his his mind I'm sure and uh I would I would now like to see if if you
if you'll let me see what some of these dang critics critics have to feel about this these
dang all these dang critics okay yeah audiences and these yeah you've already heard about these dang
Jameses Peter Branden and Jamesy yep Branden and Wendy yeah and Dan and Jamesy it works
it works don't think about it too much uh 62% from critics 11% by the audience let's start with
some of these top critic reviews from Rotten Tomatoes. Noel Murray from LA Times says the
movie is entertaining and has a professional polish but it's also very safe is their fresh opinion
uh from CNN.com not safe no yeah this movie is not safe I would be careful I would be careful
with this Peter Pan movie I need a lot more like sharp objects in that and could you man could you
there's no way it would never happen but like if one of the kids really seemed like they were in
danger wow that would be crazy like we're really on the precipice of like oh my god this kid might
get eaten or dead or whatever you're like I don't know who to talk to about this but this movie seems
unsafe this is unsafe yeah um from CNN.com Noah Berlatsky uh oh wait this is a wrong I'm I'm uh
I'm cherry picking fresh reviews I'm sorry I misread that um let's let's move on to
London Evening Standard from Charlotte O'Sullivan love the big band yeah that's what they say moving
on the big band scenes were when they when the pirates asked for tea then that was that was
excellent um three out of five smarter and way more magical than Spielberg's hook PJ Hogan's
Peter Pan or Joe Wright's pan this version when it gets off the ground soars yeah oh that's right
Joe Wright did that pan movie that's that's interesting that is a polarizing director
do fucking that movie and cats oh how you doing Joe Wright how you doing yeah I don't know if
cats is polarizing I think everybody just really really doesn't like that move I haven't seen it
have you seen it I think I might have thrown it on one night uh and didn't get too far but uh give me
that butthole cut I want that butthole cut you heard about that right that's great I did hear
it's really funny that they were like not only did they put that much time to make it
the butthole cut but then they had to go back in and take them out
those poor people were like you put you two made me spend a lot of time putting that in there
and now we're gonna go in and look at those buttholes again take them out I just did the
Sonic movie what do you think it's what's the matter with you people um from Empire magazine
Ben Travis three out of five an adaptation that for all its well-executed ideas feels a little
too keen to grow up oh interesting no that's yeah I mean what a totally critic way to put that
but yeah that's interesting because that's that's by and large you know kind of kind of the stuff we
were grappling with being you know an issue is that yeah the tone and the look of this movie is
forces it to be realistic and and whatnot and it doesn't allow a lot of it's like
a lot of opportunity to flourish and be you know super fantastical but yeah see what you mean
um let's go to Lovia Guyark from Hollywood Reporter this version of the fairy tale grounds
the fundamental wistfulness of the original tale with empathetic backstories and takes care to
remedy the originals over racism and latent sexism
it is nice that there are girls in the Lost Boys career I like that yeah there's also a person who
I think is on the spectrum right mm-hmm I like that as well that was really yeah yeah I mean all
of them like fit and made sense and were fun yeah uh let's check out some audience reviews 11% they
hated it uh like really did not like it and some of these reviews okay let's yeah I'm really wrong
so I might not finish some of them but I'll like like there's there's this one that I found that
like goes through endless all the different like what is different from this in the original I'll
read a little bit of it Nivea Rose one star if I could give this no stars I would there have been
other bad Peter Pan adaptations in the past but this one is too similar and too different whoa
can you imagine making it the worst one blankets and less blankets at the same time
I hate it for every reason the things it did right it did too well well then there's no pleasing you
all right uh Peter Pan is my favorite story and they cannot call this book they cannot call this
a book adaptation you really have to stay true to the book and it's been done before in the 2003
version they did it perfectly using exact dialogue from the book now Wendy was arguing with Peter
the entire movie I don't know why Tiger Lily was still a character if they took out her tribe
I know they tried to be less racist but she cannot be the only native person there
and if they're going to make that change they have to explain why they have to
Tink lost all her personality her sassiness that makes her likable to the viewers she has a
personality from the Disney spinoffs for Tinkerbell and it's not really her why was she even there she
just smiled the entire time and making her talk was stupid I wish they had kept her being mean to
to Wendy so we could have the I do believe in fairy's chance either you cherry picking the
things you want and then like getting mad at the things they change it's like hey hey and they just
go they go through the whole movie man it's like a paragraph 1,127 people on Google found this
review helpful so that's good to know that's insane uh even at the very end I don't know why
they had to add the whole boarding school plot it was infuriating I don't know why they said I know
why they said to go to Neverland Wendy has to say she doesn't want to grow up I don't know why they
had to add that little part where Wendy couldn't see the pirates I don't know I don't know I don't
know and we'll do like a couple more there's like these are the main ones are like really long and
just just dress this movie down it's intense oh god well I mean that's that's where that 11 comes
from right is that this is like people she said like this is my favorite story ever that's uh
that's the thing is we're talking about an ip that people feel very very strongly about and if it
isn't presented you know what I was thinking about the concept in particular about nostalgia is is
that I think it is so funny how people who give into nostalgia feel like the best way to feed that
is to get the thing again but I would actually argue that what you're seeking in in in that
moment or it with that media whatever is the feeling that you first had when you watched it
and that that I think is that that that needs to be new just trying to mine a feeling you had when
you were 30 years younger like whatever is it's really not going to end well but understand that
you're capable of feeling that sense of wonder and feeling that sense of excitement or fear about
growing up but it doesn't have to be from peter panick it could be from a different movie or
like a new story not a different movie necessarily but a new story yeah that's that's makes it just
makes you question like and that's why I phrased that question to you maybe at the beginning and
I would ask this person too is like what is the perfect version what do you want and I guess for
that for that first person it was that 2003 peter pan I guess did it for them but maybe that just
hit them at a certain time in their life too where it's like is anything ever going to hit
you again that way because you're dead inside um we'll do yeah and then there's like two of
these reviews where like they just list source material disney movie source material disney
movie and they compare this dan de wisel gives it one star completely disrespects j.m. barry's novel
a disturbing trend of hollywood nowadays to disrespect the source material goes through
gives a bunch of examples and ends with in other words this movie is definitely catered to jen z
snowflakes whose feelings are more fragile than a porcelain doll's turds
wow I mean I gotta give you a couple points for that
porcelain doll's turds that's imagery right there porcelain yeah you should be on the critic side
um this one's a meme review and I thought it was funny I'm I'm gonna read it from cool ninja one
star biggie chungus sus edition is a hilarious and entertaining movie that delivers on its promise
of being sus from start to finish this movie had no
laughing and on the edge of my seat with its unexpected twists and turns the characters
especially biggie chungus were well developed and their quirky personalities added to the overall
humor of the film the cinematography and special effects were impressive and really brought the
imaginary world of biggie chungus to life the soundtrack perfectly complemented the tone of the
movie with catchy tunes that had me tapping my feet and humming along overall but it was a
good laugh and a break from reality I highly recommend this movie to anyone who wants to
enjoy a light-hearted and fun-filled evening with friends and family it's a one star
for another reviews folks maybe you get an 11% on rotten tomatoes because you got some
um I'll do uh yeah and then I'm not gonna read that one that there's is it possible to like say
parts of review because I'm really interested okay I'll do okay fine I'll do this one just
okay I'll do that one I'll do that one I'll do that one I'll do that one I'll do that one
this one just to let everyone know is about is from a racist essentially yeah this person is
is is I'm I'm accusing to be David Murphy one star sad that they have to try to interject
black characters in movies I'm no racist it's just obvious there is a glad they had to clarify
right off the bat I'm no racist it's just obvious there is an objective to place black actors and
actresses that it's almost distressing to see the obvious effort by movie companies like a good actor
is a good actor or actress a lot of my favorite actors are black like Eddie Murphy Richard Pryor
Denzel Washington my favorite sports okay my favorite sports players are black I'm he's
a black singer how you like black people and they just list and they're just listing black people
most of my favorite people are black I'm far from a racist but I'm disgusted by the way all movies
now have this gotta have black characters in remakes of classic movies Little Mermaid what a
joke Peter Pan let's get real this is obviously attempt to make black people happy while disgrace
is placed upon the whites like always white people can't be in black movies let's place
fat Albert with a white dude and see what happens let's have a white actor play Michael Jackson
bah ha ha let's do the life of Jimi Hendrix with a white dude and see the hour is just
pop off like a fourth of July firework yeah we did one we did so yeah so that there's there's
there's a chunk of that out there 136 people found this helpful I hate that I'm repeating
these words but I also think it's worthwhile for our podcast to show what's what kind of
fucked up places the polarization comes from that's not even like about the movie and then
it starts you start to hone in a little bit on why it's so low at 11 percent because what else in
this movie is so fucking offensive to people to make to bring it that low there's nothing
stupid right the answer is simple it's nothing so yeah that's why I was curious um you know
I definitely don't condone anything that person said because it's obvious that you're racist
in the sense that you all you're focusing on is a person's race like you know that's
we we can and we will eventually like have to be a certain way like what there's nothing
right and it says it I mean to you yeah it's like the actress of like Tinkerbell and their minds
about what things are supposed to be you know it's exactly right because you're so focused on it and
it has to be yeah exactly so but it I'm but nonetheless there is you know a reason for it
and you're right to point out that and this has happened for a couple of movies we've done at this
point um where there is an underlying like people are going out to rate this rate this movie poorly
because Tinkerbell is black you know that's the world we live in the last one was haywire and it
was yeah it was almost from a different direction and people were upset with Gina Carano right or
the Punisher where people were were pumping that movie up lionizing it right yeah you're lionizing
it like yeah it goes both ways but it's it's where you put your points you know and yeah it's
ridiculous because that movie sucks our Punisher does um haywire was pretty cool I think I think
we both yeah I think both of us were pretty on board with haywire um yeah if I remember correctly
but that's like most soda I mean any soda burger is like yeah there's gonna be some that are like
fuck that was really cool yeah right have you seen Kimmy no that's I think it's a polarizing one too
we should watch that is it man that movie rips I love that yeah I think that's on our list
I'm a big fan of Kimmy um but yeah yeah that's a 92.59 that one oh wow wow you definitely could
yeah it's I think well I've already said how I feel about it but you know cool no we'll put
it wanting to watch it we'll put it on the board I'll put it on the board uh so yeah on the board
that's that's we we we took a little some people suck dip of our toe into the the poisonous crevice
of of internet reviews um you know last week we did fucking wet cells pretzels reviews so you never
know what's gonna happen and you never know that's why you gotta tune in you might get events
volunteer lists on your Peter Pan and Wendy episode you never know right be tearless and
we'll see we'll see how this little mermaid movie uh shapes out to be on on the old rt rt site um but
for now I guess we should give uh a numerical value to our feelings uh just like as we've been
right talking about all these all these people so we should do the same uh Brandon do you want to
start should I start how we sure I can start no I think yeah I think you finishing would be a good
move um I just want to I want to say out of like it just is so funny to think about how good this
movie is in comparison from a director who has not made as many good movies as the people that have
also done these live-action remakes of Aladdin was Gaia Richie John Favreau for Lion King Tim
Burton for Alice in Wonderland Favreau did a Jungle Book too right he did Jungle Book reps though um
that one is fun oh wow you like that one cool yeah uh and then Pinocchio from Robert Zemeckis
like you know really really big act of big directors making super duper poopy vert live
action remakes of these movies and I just gotta give it to David Lowry for that's in Burton
Alice in Wonderland that I don't know if that started at all maybe that's and it's it's kind
of but that one is pretty poopy what yeah what a nightmare if that was the I mean but Burton would
love that we're in a fucking nightmare because of him he's the one that kicked it off get ready
for Beetlejuice too motherfuckers that's like fuck oh yeah geez anyways um so again I I think the
direction of this movie is pretty dope uh but it is a David Lowry movie which then the story of
Peter Pan suffers from because I do think that this would be this should be more enjoyable that
I'm you know I don't I'm gonna mention it now to drive the point but it's something we could have
talked about more is this is a kids movie and showing a eight-year-old this movie I don't know
would they would they like it I have a I kind of a hard time thinking yeah I think they would
probably find it maybe pretty boring or um I don't know maybe scared I don't know maybe even scared
they're like oh this is I don't like it because it's you know it's kind of morose at times um
makes me think it's like for adults as well yeah but yeah it can't that's the thing because it's
Peter Pan that's the thing if it was a David Lowry movie about uh you know a orphan boy
and his friend who then magically grows up and he doesn't and it's some unique story then I could
see it being more pitched to adults because you know that tone would make sense as the director
and I'm sure the writing would be different but this is being this Disney property um yeah I don't
know uh I like this movie but I didn't love this movie um I'm gonna give this movie a 65% yeah did
I get it right on the money oh of what oh man I was like man did I really just I mean I'll
spoil it for myself I mean I'm that's that's my ballpark right now and and uh it's overall and
and that's I was mentioning earlier it was hard for me not to just judge it on the on the story
alone because I just kind of like the Lion King story a little bit better I like just being I like
that movie like the original movie kind of I'm just growing up in as little your 90s giddy
there just did um but totally fair I like Lion King's story more as well just it's so much fun
and I you know I like uh I watched some of the original again and in preparation and the the
music and the songs and that original is something that I'm not sure if they needed to or wanted to
or wanted to be that sort of movie incorporate that into into uh this Peter Pan and Wendy but um
I don't know the music is so so much fun to have as as well and adds again the joy of it all but
you you express it very well that it's it's a well-directed movie it's it's got his voice it's
got his style uh somehow coming through a very corporate Disney product uh trying to replicate
the magic and that's impossible to do and to have this kind of impossible task to have it rise up or
even compare to the originals you might as well add add your your flavor to it and there was there
was some of that where it was allowed and I can and I that made me uh at least relieved and happy
to know that he was able to put some spins into the characters in terms of um Hook and Peter Pan
and their whole background and history between each other I thought was worthwhile and interesting
and I like that change uh and I like Tinkerbell being nice I liked I liked uh that sort of
uh that's that's where I did find joy in this movie was that sort of love and compassion coming
through and in a way that uh reminds me when I watch everything every every once at the end
where it's just like that sort of I feel warm and fuzzy with love inside when Tinkerbell and Wendy
have a little moment at the end rather than like okay I like you now and I hated you a whole movie
it's like no we've just been gradually warming up to each other and and now it's it's come together
in this way that Peter Pan never gave me what you just gave me in that and then Peter Pan gives
or sorry Wendy gives Peter Pan that conversation at the end which I thought was handled just uh
perfectly and and there is a minimalism to the uh visual artistry that I really uh love from David
Lowry where things are easy to digest and comprehend when you know that there are still a lot of effects
going on but you're able to digest them well um but yeah I guess critically I you know
it always comes back down to the same thing of like how worth it is this experience uh when I
could watch something a better version of it that's the original um how much does his visual style
jive with with some of those things uh I I question a little bit when we do uh have a movie like Hook
to look at as well or even yeah I mean my my older sister fucking loved that 2003 Peter Pan
I'd seen that movie a lot and that one does have a lot of color and uh and and more hyper energy
I guess yeah but this one holds its own uh it's just whether these are going to be uh worth it
in the long run and if I'm going to continue to revisit some of these movies is is the biggest
question um I'm gonna I'm gonna go right there with you Brandine I'll do uh yeah I'll do like a
I'll do a 67 I'm gonna see a little plus two yeah one plus two yeah that's that feels good I feel
like that's around now if Brandy plus two Brandy plus two that's around how I feel I feel like for
Lion King was around that score 60 something and that's just like it's he rose above to create
something that made it a bit more interesting than what it could have been and uh there are
worse versions out out there of this and uh that'll do it for uh for uh Peter Pan and Wendy for
for us I thought I thought that was a that was a fun conversation that also revisited a conversation
we had for a very first episode of this of this podcast so it's cool to think about it that in a
new way as well um throughout this whole process uh and now I would like to announce our next movie
we will be continuing in the Disneyverse uh newly acquired or newly acquired at the time of this
movie I've you know I feel like this uh not the first of the new sequels but the second
the last Jedi Star Wars a Star Wars story uh there's gonna be some opinions on that episode
2017 all the opinions have been put out there already no one really I don't know people probably
I mean the Star Wars fans probably wake up in the middle of night every now and we didn't think
about this movie uh how positive or negatively um but it's very polarizing 91 from critics 42 from
audience it is a critically favored Star Wars movie and those Star Wars fans are not happy
about it uh when are they happy um we were gonna talk about it and we're gonna jump into a 2017
movie that had a lot of discourse and we're gonna uh get some good defibrillator and and liven it up
again um thank you so much Brandini it has been thank you a true joy to have you on this flying
ship of a podcast as we descend back down into Neverland uh before our next journey uh but if
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talking max martin next episode for our music producer podcast called prod pod um max martin's
done pretty much defined my childhood i feel like in terms of pop pop music uh and we've done some
other cool people like barry gordy of motown and dip blow and todd rungren still pretty new uh
podcast we would really appreciate if you uh checked it out if you like us here uh it's uh
easiest to find on spotify and uh we love you so much is there is there anything uh else brandini
gray brandini brandan um jamesy anything else um james pan and brandini
no that's it that's it well you said it all you did it we did it let's fly away now you did it out
there anybody listening you did it you did it you got to the end of a podcast oh my god you did it
well there somehow somehow you made it somehow you made it and now we fly away and we'll and we'll uh
see you in star wars land we're out of neverland we're into star wars and we love you goodbye
oh wow that was so loud it it it peaked you peaked so hard
oh yeah this is my good night detroit
we have fun over here
it feels good you should try it sometime okay maybe i won't feel good in a little
bit actually my throat kind of hurts we can fly are you guys still here okay bye