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It's us.

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It's the Polarized Podcast.

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Glad to have you back if you're returning.

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Kick those feet up.

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Bug a lub.

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We're about to go on a fairy tale adventure.

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Hello.

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And yes, this is a podcast about movies, polarizing movies.

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That's why we are called Polarized.

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Talk about polarizing movies and the sense of rotten tomato scores.

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My name is Brandon and I will introduce my co-host here in a second.

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But I just want to let you know about the movie we're talking about a little bit more

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of why we do the things that we do and talk about the things that we talk about.

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So here on this podcast, we talk about polarized movies and since rotten tomato scores, sometimes

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critics love it.

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Audiences hate it or vice versa.

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This movie that we're talking about today is Peter Pan and Wendy.

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The score of this movie is 62% tomato.

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I don't know about fresh from the critics and 11, ooh, stinky from the audience.

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Yes, David Lowery came out this year, 2023 of our Lord.

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Yeah, let's you know what?

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Let's just jump right into it.

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You get it.

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I said it.

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Well, OK, mission accomplished.

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So the one that's about OK.

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And now my co-host to talk to me about this, this movie is Mr. James Lindsay.

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How the hell are you?

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Hello, hello.

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I am well.

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I am better than the audience rating.

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I'm feeling more like at least an 80 or above.

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My mood wise, at least I'm I'm your mood wise.

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Oh, my God.

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I thought you were really jumping to the jump of the gun.

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Oh, what the movie was?

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I guess.

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OK, hi, my name is James.

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This is how I feel about the movie and I'll see you later.

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Hi, I'm the forever guest.

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And this one's going to be a short one for me.

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Good luck, Randy on the rest.

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Yeah, I wanted to be, you know, we want to say we came, we saw we conquered and that's

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all folks.

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Allow me to read or not read, but reverse, you know, card the introduction to you, the

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great brandy.

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Welcome.

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Welcome to the great brandy show.

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Oh, how about that?

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OK, wow.

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I'm going to do how about how about the nation?

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Hey, you know, Brandon Brandini and James Brand and Pan Brandan and James.

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Yep.

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Or Brandass and James.

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James asked from.

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Yeah, well, the last episode, the last episode that we'll never talk about.

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So don't ask us about it.

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We're not going to talk about it.

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So stop asking.

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It's a stop talking about it.

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It's all right.

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So this is this is turning into a show of introductions.

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But yeah, I'm doing.

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Peter Pan and Wendy, it was a stinky audience score.

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It's super duper poopy, stinky super into it.

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Something that I that I've yet to talk to you about off of pod as well.

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But I saw in the general chat of the polarized discord that you were trying to set up a certain

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kind of tier list.

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And I'm and I want to ask you live on on the pod.

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Let's do it.

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Why?

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Why you were and what spawned this idea to start a Vince Vaughn movie tier list?

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I thought we could this could be a time to talk about.

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Absolutely.

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You know, what?

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And I even try to get some maybe some opinions in of of our tier list.

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Sure.

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I don't know.

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I'm going to just do it on the fly and see how crazy this ends up looking.

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But I am going to share my screen.

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OK.

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And I have my Vince Vaughn to your left.

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Oh, cool.

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I got my tier list.

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So this will just be a review of your already made tier list because I have to make mine.

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I mean, yeah, I sent you all the stuff if you want to.

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I don't know.

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Try to put it together real quick while I walk through mine.

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I can.

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I guess maybe I can figure out exactly how to.

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Did you we don't have to get through the logistics of it.

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It's OK.

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No, please, please.

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Just together to make the list.

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It's all good.

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I want to hear what your list is.

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And that's it.

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And then we can move on.

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But I'm curious.

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So this came up because some friends of mine, we were talking about the, you know, a friend

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of the pod, Dave Myers had mentioned that he was like the internship and the watch totally

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slap and I was like, not so fast, Mr. That is a brash statement in my mind because those

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two movies are not that great.

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The watch.

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I mean, I mean, I'll talk about my tier list.

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Maybe could be slightly better, but I mean, yeah, overall.

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And so, yeah, we were we were getting kind of into a heated debate about the Vince Vaughn

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movie universe.

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And yeah, I really just spawned a healthy discussion about where his movie sit on a

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tier list.

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And so I put together a bunch of pictures of the posters and did my own tier list.

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Nobody who's yeah, I'm sharing my screen.

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So anybody on which which you can watch us do this live, polarize the pod.

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What twitch.tv slash polarized pod.

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Correct.

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So let us through some some highlights here.

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Let me run you through some highlights.

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So S tier movies, Vince Vaughn.

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So the way that I approach this before I say these movies is this for me was based on Vince's

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performance in the movie or so than the movie themselves.

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So I had to, you know, I had to also kind of do an addendum and make a declaration because

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I will say that in my E tier, I have be cool, Starsky and Hutch and Zoolander.

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And I don't think Zoolander is an E tier movie.

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Not at all.

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I think it is definitely like if it would be an eight year.

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I don't think he has a line in that movie.

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I don't think he says anything.

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I don't think exactly.

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So that's why it is an E tier for Vince Vaughn performance because, yeah, he really just

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looks very blank and stoic.

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And I don't believe it has a line.

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Maybe he says like, don't upset dad.

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Maybe it might be one line he says on it, but that's about it.

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The extent of it.

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And how about the villain in Starsky and Hutch?

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I'm trying to remember.

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It's been a while since I've seen that movie, but you seem to not care for his villain villain

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performance.

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Yes, because his villain performance and that is very similar to his villain performance

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and be cool, which is very mean spirited, kind of like homophobic and a little racist.

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Really bringing some weird gross energy to that.

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There's a weird energy to that movie in general.

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There's a weird energy to that movie.

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Super weird.

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Oh, you're talking Starsky and Hutch.

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Be cool is weird.

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Yeah, because I just remember there being a promo or whatever.

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And it was just it was Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson just talking about how much they didn't

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like making that movie.

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And then Amy Smart and Carmen Lecture being like, oh, and I feel like it was they talking

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about Adam McKay or forget who it was who worked on that movie, but they're like, oh,

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yeah, I hated working with him, the director.

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And he was very it was really uncomfortable with it.

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And it was it seemed like this bit that they were all in on.

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But I possibly but it was like this only bit period of time.

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I feel like after that, that Owen Wilson and Ben Stiller like weren't working together

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as much.

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I'm like, oh, I was starting to think like maybe there was a fight they had or something.

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But I don't know that I haven't I haven't seen that one in a while.

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And I have also not seen the source material.

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So moving on, I have not seen the remake of Psycho, which you have on.

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It's not for DList, the Gus Van Sant shot for shot remake.

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I've not only addition to the end of that, it's not a bad thing to bring up for the movie

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that we're fucking talking about today.

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Yeah, we made a shot for shot almost.

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And then Mr. Smith, Mr. And Mrs. Smith, I have a fun I have a fondness for that movie.

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And he's like the guy that kind of almost is just like his buddy on the side that hooks

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him up with some weaponry, I think.

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And he gets like quintessential like, hey, I'm a fast talking Vince Vaughn guy.

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I'm going to tell you what you need to know.

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And I'm going to stutter a lot.

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And I'm going to kind of talk at an elevated pace and volume.

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But you know, I'm just going to you're going to come to me and I'm going to get you some

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some web.

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Oh, you go your wife is or whatever.

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That's my business.

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That's essentially all he does.

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And he can kind of comes out of nowhere.

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But yeah, you're not crazy about that.

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No, because it's it's not like he's like, oh, I'm going to go to the movie.

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I'm going to go to the movie.

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I'm going to go to the movie.

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I'm going to go to the movie.

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And if I can show you myлючuyish.

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To the book.

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Vince has done that where he'll just like operate at this cruising altitude in a film where he just like he has such charisma where he can just like say the lines in whatever way he feels like it's just like natural operating, you know, level or who he is.

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And that is gets away with like, that's fine, I guess. But yeah, it just doesn't make for a good performance to just be fine and mediocre.

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Yeah. And then I lost world in there, which I take some umbrage with because that was that is my as a young boy that didn't see swingers growing up as a as a child.

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That was my introduction to Vince Vaughn was the lost world.

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I take and I and I have defended that movie in the past as well as silly as it is but I always thought he was the coolest fucking dude in that movie I was just like man. He's like a photographer that shot wildlife and national Nat Geo stuff and then he just jumps on board to this thing and he lives he doesn't get eaten.

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And I was like, Oh, he must be cool if he doesn't get eaten but um you're not you're not crazy about that one. That's okay.

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Could you imagine a guy who's like six, five and looks like Vince Vaughn being a natural wildlife photographer.

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What's a weird issue to have. He's too tall to be a photographer.

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Okay, Brandon. All right, so now this whole tier list is poisoned with that logic.

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Could you imagine him in the brush and he's just like half his body sticking out from behind.

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Okay, Nat Geo photographer auditions, there's auditions.

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All right, line up gentlemen.

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Too tall.

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Those lines are going to see you and take the see you go to some bridge with you.

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Okay, all right. Anyways, the dilemma is that what it's that movie is called. I can't it's called the dilemma. It's very like low res so I can't really see some of these.

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I can. That helps but maybe we should go a bit faster but I don't know this is fun too. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine.

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I had to say my piece about last world.

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Right. And then so okay but let's start. Let's work through this seat here we got. I have anchorman in there, not a seat here movie at all but his performance in it is like, I, the Dorothy Mantoo is a saint stuff is pretty funny.

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I really enjoy it, but it's, you know, it's, it's not. Yeah, it's in. It's a, it's a small part. And yeah, it's, you know, see it's, it's great.

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What's man tooth. It's when the West man tooth.

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We remember his name.

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You remember the man's name. It's a good, good time. I might have to move that up to be here because I because I couldn't tell you the name of, you know, john America.

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He plays. That's not the only measure but that is pretty cool that we remember. I mean if I'm going to pick somebody being a wildlife photographer.

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You're not going to be like a sniper or something like an army.

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Absolutely. That is also what I'm saying is that you're not going to pick the year again you're not going to pick the six foot five.

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You're going to pick the soccer to be the sniper to be, you're going to pick a Geo Vani Rubisi.

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That's a good one. I'm going to pick that.

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So then we got the watch we got internship. Is that what that one's called. Yeah.

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I don't know what delivery man is about. I saw the trailer and that was funny enough bit.

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It's one of those things where it's like it's it's like a heartfelt like a you know like a heartfelt Adam Sandler so it's not it's not that funny but he he matches the movie whether but it's just overall it's like average forget the kind of forgettable whatever.

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So I mean like the last part of walk hard Dewey Cox story where he just meets all his kids at the end of the movie grows old and plays catch with all of his children.

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Uh huh. He has like hundreds of children.

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Except it's just because he's fucked so much.

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He had to have. I'm trying to remember which came first delivery man or walk out the trailer is funny I'm going to I want to kind of continue or I don't know I want to bring up the trailer because I remember that being like a thing where it was like that's that's making a splash as far as the whole concept in the bit of it.

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Yeah so in my in my beat here the delivery what is it delivery man yeah very man.

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And then it might be my beat here for these is the breakup couples are trade for Christmases and hacksaw Ridge.

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Oh, I'm pretty good. Yeah, I haven't seen a lot of these.

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Pretty good and hacksaw Ridge, he plays a pretty main characters pretty good at it's an actually like more dramatic performance that he nails by and large.

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Yeah, I should. I should maybe check that out. I just don't like that movie in general because it's just such a weird concept. And yeah, the whole time true story which is amazing.

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People say that that's amazing but then again it's it's so, you know, so weird.

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All right, let's I want to, I'm curious about this trailer.

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The child is precious pictures of a person pictures of children.

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But despite their differences.

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All of these individuals have one thing in common.

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David was neck. You are the biological father of 533 children.

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You see makes are the result of a mix up at the fertility connect to which you donated in 1991. They are now suing to discover your identity.

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What I love it as your lawyer. It's so good.

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I love your identity. I don't have Chris. Chris Brad. I don't have mental problems. When we're in court I want you to say it exactly that way.

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Oh and then star is that stars.

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Something's not awesome. What are we seeing that song.

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I have a lot of tangents right now. Cold. We are. Okay. Let's finish off this to your list.

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Dodgeball a tier eight year dodgeball old school and then I put Vince Vaughn's Amity tour.

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I have not seen that.

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I have seen a bunch of good friends just cracking lies all the time. Just yeah. Really some of it I seen. Is it like Kevin Pollock and shit.

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And then the yeah I think Favreau's even got a set in there.

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Yeah, I just remember being a who family these guys.

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It's the it's it's one for the boys. I thought breakup was pretty good. I never seen couples retreat.

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I remember thinking breakup was pretty good. They had like chemistry between Aniston and him wasn't wasn't bad even though the chemistry was like antagonistic a lot but the

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was like pretty good for a romantic movie that was the message was more about your independence that near the end of it. My memory is they you know they don't get back together they just move on and I like that.

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Yeah right.

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That's really good stuff.

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Right yeah dodgeball old school and I kind of I mean dodgeball old school dodgeball that's his main. That's one of his few main roles movies. That's a big one. His performance is straight man, like, kind of.

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Yeah right no yeah no ambition what is his line is something like, I don't make goals for myself in life so that I'm never disappointed in that kind of thing so it's just that he there's so much color around him that he doesn't have to do too much but be a schlubby schlubby man.

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He does it well. And then, yeah, was your S tier once you read those ones off.

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Oh yeah we got so here's all the heaters right S tier we got made swingers and wedding crashers these are just the top tier Vince Vaughn this is the made. That's, that's a fab room movie right.

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Swingers that's kind of like.

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I gotta watch that. Yeah, swingers of course they're going to be there wedding crashers. Yeah, no argument there.

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Yeah, just real real great stuff. Oh yeah, those are the three I would point somebody towards if they want to watch some great great Vince Vaughn stuff.

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But yeah, that's it. That's the, that's the VV tier list. We talked about wedding crashes yeah being one of those movies you just, you can put on at any point and kind of finish when it's on TV.

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Yeah. I don't think I would alter too much with that. I think I'm, I think I mean definitely put it together and put it in the chat and well, I would love to see it.

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Yeah, it also made me realize I haven't seen a lot of his like later, later careers stuff.

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But that's okay.

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It's okay.

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It's man I just last time I'll say it but not for not forever but just this podcast of how cool he was a monster man, he gets that line where it's like, where they say the in Spanish is like you let them wear tear or something he's like what does that mean and he like looks

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at you and he's like, island of death.

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I'll be, I'll be, I'm working on my vents Vaughn.

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There it is. Let's get those claps going out there. Soundboard. All right.

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Peter and when you write with that like psycho comparison of like the shot for shot thing and even starting from that, that point is almost interesting of like in a more like macro sort of way even to start is like, is that worth it to you.

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As a movie to see is something that you kind of know going into it is going to be a live action representation of what something you you love so much is, and is, is.

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Yeah, so when you do go into something like that what are you looking for are you looking for it to be super accurate to what the original is, and does that give you satisfaction or do the flourishes of change and alterations, make it more interesting

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because it's, it's a if you're going to do an adaptation, is it worth it to see an alteration of a new voice, bringing life to something, or do you want to be as accurate to in this case the cartoon, or in other cases the book, or the play.

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I mean, I should say for for this for this case but also in other so it's, it's such a fine line to walk down but this is a very specific case where it's Disney, and they're applying the process, the process to this Peter Pan story that they've done in the

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past two other movies, and also the movie that we started our podcast on, which is the Lion King remake which was kind of the big near the beginning of these adaptations I believe in my memory or like Jungle Book and Lion King, or, and maybe maybe some

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of the other ones that I'm feeling to remember but they've been going hard. Little Mermaid is on its way it's coming soon. Moana has, I think is they're working on to get the rock of the Moana which is 10 years out from the original so they're, they're working fast on these.

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This, this is a loaded question because I'm just kind of talking, talking a lot about the whole process of this.

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To you is there like a best case scenario, a best version of that or do you think it's worth it at all do you think they should just leave it as it is, what do you think.

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What is the, what is the most successful version of it if they have in your mind. I mean, it's a really great question because it is something that inspires a lot of like internal conflict within me so that it makes me really try to analyze, or like, go seek

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the word to where I find joy in, in like media because, you know, the, the older movies obviously have brought a lot of joy into the world and have been part of people's lives and growing up and whatnot.

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And, you know, all of these remakes are just such a great example of like capitalism where it's, we have these products that we need to sell to people and we're just repackaging them because we look at it as these as investments and look at them as like

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automatically you know line items, or yeah again things to put on a shelf, and how can we make money to keep this machine and keep the wheel turning right. And so there's just this, there's these two things built into it where we're, these are trying.

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We're trying to inspire, you know, a new generation and trying to communicate visually in a language that Disney feels like that a newer generation would be more receptive, receptive of in order to communicate what the base concepts of these stories are because

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the fundamental level with Disney right is since they're a family, you know, they're a company that provides content for families and has been just really, yeah, like, it's such a staple and such a banner carrier for here, we are going to communicate values of being

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on all these different levels of like you know what it means to grow up like in this movie, you know, and then it's in all of these movies it's like be Aladdin you know, recognizing that being yourself is all you have to do.

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And then you know that those kind of concepts to or you are common in a lot of these movies, because they're just fundamental concepts of human existence and growing up that people will continue to resonate with because it is never going to go out of style to be presented

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with these ideas so that you can think about them and go on an adventure in order to learn those things right because I mean, tailors from the game, tailors all this time.

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But yeah, so back to the question though is like what is because really you're asking me what is the I asked like 10 questions but yeah yeah but at the heart of it you're asking me like what is the ideal like a version of a remake.

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Yeah, like, right, because I feel like I'm just curious about what the best version is for you, specifically in this scenario or if you think yeah if it's if it's worth it what they're doing or if they're trying to.

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What is that like, isn't that like a theory right that they're making these just so they can maintain copyright over these things for years or whatever.

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Yeah, definitely that. Yeah. But and just continue to update but yeah I think that's an overall feeling I'm curious about for you about this whole renegade of new versions, new live action versions and how you feel about it.

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but then, yeah, and if there's a good version of that that you've seen so far.

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So good version that comes to mind for me is Moana and so good version of this for me is to not do a Peter Pan not like a live action adaptation like as a has there been a good version of like a live adaptation adaptation.

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Moana is amazing for sure. Yeah, right.

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There's really no adaptation is what I was kind of alluding to as a favorite. I would much rather like, you know, why, you know, you could tell this this same story of being afraid of growing up, and it doesn't have to be Peter Pan.

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Like if anything like you a lot of it subverted in a way that would be more like just call it, I don't know call it something else almost where then you open yourself up to the freedom to not have to include Captain Hook and not have to include the crocodile

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in it like you could, the crocodile could be anything else and Captain Hook could be anybody else, but they could still fundamentally serve as what those archetypes are like what they're there for to you know to make commentary on growing up and on what the like thesis of the movie is.

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I'm trying to think of the best way not what they wanted to do here and yeah I know there's been was was pan there was the Peter Pan in 2003 I think it was, which was more faithful I think to the original Barry story.

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But this one very very much is like the treatment that they did for, you know, and I haven't seen too many, the line I've seen the Lion King one and we talked about it, which I was a little more keen on and you weren't as big of a fan of.

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But now, watching this one the reason why I liked, and I think I might I don't know we'll talk we'll talk about it more near the end about which one I prefer. But I just realized that it comes down to which story I like more and that really tells me that this, they

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weren't really doing much beyond just telling that same story again, and then in a new kind of way. But my subjective opinion is based completely upon something that's already been put in in place which is those original movies.

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So it. Yeah, it beckons a question to me and that's something I'm wrestling with him like is this worth it did it do enough for me to to exist.

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You know, and it's like, yeah, I don't know. I thought the Lion King was one and it's not everyone's opinion to polarizing movie but I thought that one was like interesting in a way that was like very much planet Earth.

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He and people didn't like that and for whatever reason I thought that was kind of cool seeing like real animals and behaving in a in a way that would be like, yeah, photo realistic and accurate to to how animal behavior would be but it's, I see where there were your point was

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everyone else's point that didn't like that would does kind of suck the energy out of it a lot of it. Yeah, and that and I can kind of see that with this little bit too as much as I like David Lowry's cinematography and and his lighting and everything looks looks moody and interesting

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and and and cool for how much effects that they are using. However, great for it being Disney and maybe you should be a little more like colorful lighthearted kids movie I'm not sure if it jives completely with it with it either and I think that was something I was also kind of

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like I think I overall liked it but I can see a version of this which would be more catering to joy more joy attached. Yeah, I'm going to that you pick up on that I mean but I guess I don't know I don't know if we can if I can really come up and see and I I'm sorry I just I guess I don't want to fully leave like our stating what our best adaptations are.

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But the thing is is I really have a hard time like picking what my good adaptation is because I'm always just left with this like this bad taste in my mouth of like what do we need this for like a Mary Poppins returns I feel like I'm trying and I haven't seen I didn't finish that one and I don't remember being super keen on that either but they I just remember as a child enjoying the like straight to video sequels I thought those were pretty cool and like

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I don't know sure straight to video probably do shot for shot return of Jafar I'm sure they will because they've already done Aladdin. They've announced that they're going to already and yeah and I even like the king of thieves like the third one where you like his dad and shit.

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But on yeah I I I would I I'm curious in that a little bit more of like doing like a subversion a subversion or a side story within the same universe is more interesting to me and the things that I was perked up on in this movie tended to be the things that were different than the cartoon rather than the things that were some of that stuff I was like oh it's pretty amazing that they were able to do that so accurately but that just kind of the interest wanes from you after like.

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Pretty quickly and I I'd and another example another movie that we talked about in the Peter Pan universe is hook and that's a way cooler fucking movie too because it's like taking place in the universe but in a subversion in a different sort of way and delving into aspects that have already been introduced by Disney and doing it in a way that's worth it.

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More worth it.

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And it's not that I hate this. I hate this movie and I'm coming on pretty strong.

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I'm coming very critical because this just about Disney's streak of doing this and the process of adaptation and how someone who has real artistry and the director I really like David Lowry and how they're able to work within that system as well.

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I know is and have the voice we heard because is the movie looks like a David Lowry movie it looks like a Dave Oh my god yeah like for sure does a good thing yeah absolutely.

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And I'm just questioning the how I would try to pan over things you know what's that totally totally because what you're saying is it's like the way this movie looks and the way that this is directed isn't the problem is the fact that Peter Pan is the subject matter of it and the Peter Pan

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is a baggage and the, and the baggage being there is a, there's a Peter Pan that has existed and a bunch of them that have existed, and they have all brought together, they have all brought, you know, whether it's being more realistic being more fantastical whatever

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or telling an adjacent story to have the characters but still get to the point all of that. And yeah, it's just it's tough where you're like I have already made an opinion on which one I like, and now I'm being presented with another version of it where I feel like I have to make these

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comparisons, or at least it's extremely hard not to, and it's hard not to pick the one that's like more colorful and more joyous more. Yeah, fun.

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Not to say this movie doesn't have some fun and a little bit of joy.

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It does, but I mean the visual language of the movie at times would really communicate that things are very dour very, you know, is rather bleak, kind of minimal almost to and that maybe is a budget thing.

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And that's, that can be okay as well but

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do you want to talk about cat casting at all. I thought I thought the all the kids were were good there they were all so I mean Wendy especially I thought was was really good. And Peter Pan.

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Great dude law was was a good choice as well I thought that was, I thought he had fun hamming it up there. I think my only issue is a little bit of the gap again. Not crazy. I was gonna say not crazy about the gap again I think that's, I can see the look like the look is okay but once

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performance wise, it doesn't really like come through for me, that's the chance for where you can have a cartoon character person kind of liven up things a little bit and he's just a little bit more like just kind of down as well.

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Right, which, which everything else already kind of is is. Yeah, so then, because I just immediately I'm like well, aside from gaff again like I right I don't, I don't mind anybody else's performance.

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But the thing is is that the fundamental problem that I feel like both of us are having is that they have to fit into a David Lowry movie, which is again not a pretty realistic and doesn't allow for a lot of spontaneity in a whimsical sense or like very joyous or.

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Yeah, I don't know kind of something that seems a little bit more.

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I'm trying to think how childish some parts of this are, it can get there but it's, it really is firmly planted on the ground for a movie about flying is it not like, just you're always like their swords there's it like there was a part in this where I'm like, since the setting

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and tone and performances whatever like it really made me think about these kids not having parents.

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The last place all the sticks of this shed all the all the children that that energy was really great and directed well and I've taken that since our, especially since we've been doing our podcast.

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And there's children in movies when when you can tell they're comfortable and having fun to me is such a sign of a good director. And I can tell that they're really comfortable and having a good time and enjoying themselves thinking you know that they're just playing pretend

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and it's like it's got to, it's got to be fun and it's cool to see see that. Yeah, they're a little high it out it really feels like they found the fucking green night, and it looks fucking dope like the waterfall and like the fire and ship and I'm like,

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really need like food and water and like how do they get here.

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They do and it's just it's so weird to this movie is weird, because so hard. It's very artsy yeah especially that's artistic. Yeah, and a lot of that side of me as an admirer of movies is like, I was really blown away and loved a lot of the visuals of this.

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And I really had so many times I'm like oh man this looks really good. Yeah, you know the, the, them flying for the first time and seeing the, the mermaids. Oh yeah going through the Big Ben.

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Oh, oh my god that was really cool. Super sick going through the plane of existence or whatever and breaking apart.

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That was, that was great. And you also get Alan Tudyk speaking of dodgeball.

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Yeah, you get to not a pirate in this movie but this movie doesn't pirates.

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I mean these that they work through that quickly there's there's things that are like a bridged and work through a little quickly and then they the time that they have extra they they spend in in interesting enough ways to, but they kind of the they move through that

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and they don't paint Alan Tudyk the dad to be as much of intense intensely aggressively ass assholes yeah just more strict and stern and, and that's kind of it and then the mom has a has a talk with Wendy, which I thought is echoed beautifully at the end with her

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and Peter, Peter Pan already say that right now and it was kind of near the end but I thought so the just the talk that her mom gave to her.

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And the way that she gives that gives that same talk to Peter at the end was was like my one of my favorite parts of the movie for sure and I thought that was just beautiful filmmaking where it was a visual cue where it showed Wendy in the same way that she was looking at

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her mom that Peter was looking at her and it made me emotional as well. And, and then also.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm just kind of talking about everything but no, no, that's fine because I mean yeah this.

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The thing is, is this movie is, we know this story, we don't necessarily need to go to get started and get to get through some of the differences which was how they had how Tinkerbell wasn't as much of an asshole either.

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And I thought that was something that, while we're criticizing maybe not as much joy that is something that was in the, there's more assholes in the original. I like how the how Peter Pan still comes off kind of like an asshole and kind of like a jerk.

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Very self centered right very immature and self centered yeah very much like me me me everything's about, you know, any just also in the character shallow worldview yeah because he's, he is like the hyper, you know, hyper representation of a child's like ego right and

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forcing forcing yourself to stay in that, in that mindset and it's very selfish yeah.

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Very much so. Yeah, and the God and just that whole scene of them him sitting like what is it sitting in a chair like I almost feel like it was like a stone chair or whatever.

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So great night God, but having the conversation yeah about him, you know.

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Yeah, him talking about the Lost Boys and talking about never wanting to grow up. And, you know, just because he, because hook is an adult. So in his mind growing up means becoming Captain Hook and Captain Hook is a bad person.

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So he doesn't want to become a bad person. And that is how he feels like adults are is just a bunch of bad people which I mean you know it's understandable why kids can feel that way. I now just makes me think about how making the dad, such an asshole is kind of a good thing, because

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it more clearly communicates that care that kind of idea that parents suck. They're like, they're, they're so, you know, they're just a self center but they're mean about it. I don't know.

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But what you said earlier it's that is kind of how the original story is but in this one. It is a little different and I also like this difference to

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the story of, oh no just little the Captain Hook thing because they were friends as children.

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And then right. Right. And then you're like, banished hook right or like Shmee Shmee and then and then yeah he like banished took from the Lost Boys and then Shmee picked up hook as like a boy.

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And that was like, Oh, wow, Peter pans like a huge asshole.

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out that like Hook used to live there because his names cross out and everything and he like

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vanished him so it was like and I get what you mean about the original but that was a that was a

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difference that I thought was interesting about Hook's whole thing was extremely empathetic

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towards him at a certain point and it made you kind of feel at least pity towards at least

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always pity towards him and amazing his whole trip and everything and then Shmee's place and all of

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it was like oh they added some weight to everything and then his the redemption of Pan apologizing to

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Hook I thought was really nice those emotional moments and the weight of of the characters

377
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was something that was added that I that I thought was an interesting redemption arc for Peter Pan

378
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because I was worried I was for a second I'm like wow I really don't like Peter he did that to

379
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Captain Hook that's so mean and then I was curious I'm like oh yeah Tinkerbell is usually an asshole

380
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and the friend like jealous of Wendy and I if anything they Wendy and her form this uh this bond

381
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that comes together and and one of my other favorite parts of when Tinker when Tink actually

382
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gets to say something to her what she says is thank you for thank you for hearing me and I

383
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thought that was so nice of like oh you listened and took the time to like try to understand and

384
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yeah I don't know there's there's stuff like that that uh that did work for me but that stuck out

385
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sounds like yeah I don't know it's like this is low key a great movie because I don't know I could

386
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kind of get persuaded on this because of yeah there's elements of sure not a fucking 11%

387
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this is a right shame on you audiences this is not 11% and the reasoning is troubling too I won't

388
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even read some of the fucking bullshit oh man I'm I'm really interested I don't even I'm not sure

389
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if I want to hateful comments but um I'm interested in some just general takes from the audience

390
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because um yeah like okay sure this is not as this is more dour which could just overall create a

391
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malaise and a be in an audience member and be like man I don't really necessarily want this like

392
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a kind of realistic you know or a version of Peter Peter Pan but I just I don't know it's it's tough

393
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because again I really just enjoyed the way that this movie looked and moved through its plot like

394
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I don't know there wasn't really a lot of boring stuff it's it's up it like there again it was

395
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bridged in some ways like even from like they get into Neverland quick you know that yeah you just

396
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see the mermaids swimming like that hole coming into Neverland thing is really cool and the

397
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mermaids are all like translucent and everything and luminescent yeah and they're not assholes

398
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either they're I'm both I'm not like there's a lot of jerks in the in the original too the

399
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mermaids are assholes in the original they are yeah and then tiger it's just tiger lily really

400
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she's and then there's not as much with her like I think she's the one that gets kidnapped or like

401
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held for ransom and like she is yeah yeah you watched the original recently so yeah she's the

402
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one that and it's with the two boys as well is that how it works okay yeah and so there was there

403
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is a little bit of just moving around of of that and not the you know less of the indigenous people

404
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scene which was not handled well in the original so much so that if you watch the original now in

405
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Disney plus there is an opening 15 second blurb about them like being apologizing yeah essentially

406
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apologizing for for the racist imagery of the indigenous people of Neverland but I thought

407
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yeah tiger lily's just a kind of a badass warrior that is yeah super badass gets a lot of horsework

408
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:26,720
yeah and she's just on Neverland living her life it seems like what's cool that's kind of a cool

409
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idea of like the others just there's just people there that are like yeah no we were here before

410
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you fucking pirates I love too that she she seemed so much more capable right because I've you know

411
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:45,520
in the original one it's very much of a damsel in distress uses bait you know um uh you know she's a

412
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child right and so I can I can give it a little bit of credit like yeah you know she doesn't

413
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necessarily have to be this really strong person you know as a child because yeah we're also kind

414
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of talking about that of like you know trying to be the leader trying to be stronger than you are

415
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is like almost a way into adulthood it's like part of the process of growing up is to you feel the

416
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need to do to meet people there at a level where you're like I'm capable I you know I can do do

417
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things and whatever and that yeah in turns actually ends up being yeah part of the yeah the change

418
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that happens are contributing to the change yeah yeah and that that journey for Wendy is is executed

419
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I think well because uh she is resistant at the beginning and and and has to step up in the time

420
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of need like a hero would and a hero story and that's what the growing up thing is about is

421
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is stepping up to the plate when when the time comes and um and yeah or just being awesome like

422
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Tiger Lily uh yeah and then they yeah I felt like I thought that cave scene was pretty photo

423
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realistic and accurate to what the original gator we can talk about the gator ticking gator and even

424
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him putting his feet on top as it like comes up like that's so what I'm sure he must have been

425
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:15,520
Lowry must have been like oh we got to do that it's so fun oh we have to right yeah um but overall

426
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I mean I feel like I've I've expressed my my feelings about uh the adaptation you know I

427
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think that the it resonated well for me at the end with that conversation with Peter Pan on the

428
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,720
rooftop the apology that he gives to hook for all the fucked up shit that he he did I thought was

429
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something that this movie offered that other adaptations haven't and if anything I could have

430
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I might have been able to use more of that um but honestly I'm trying to think what else to really

431
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cover because if you've seen this movie you kind of know it goes through it's the motions of the

432
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first of the of the original cartoon and and add some but uh is there anything that I'm I'm am I

433
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:03,200
glossing over a little too much no no no you know you're good um no we're yeah we're tight on this

434
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:09,200
and I think oh the little kid man he's my he's so great the the youngest kid anytime he had a line

435
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,760
or was doing anything just stole the show and just looked so happy to be there his eyes would just

436
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:19,680
light up with this big smile of like uh what is what is the hat thing like oh a hat get his hat

437
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,040
he's like just this whole battle's going he's talking about like just getting a hat and just

438
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like uh stuff is just uh I mean David Lowry really knows how to direct action a lot of this

439
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,520
I mean god the whole scene of the ship flying and all of that stuff

440
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:42,880
comprehensive action really really well directed and it just I mean David Lowry is really an

441
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:50,880
exciting director for me and this outing isn't isn't a bad outing for him in my mind if anything

442
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:56,960
we would just walk through Disney Town yeah right which also too because I was listening to um he

443
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was on blank check for um during Tim Burton uh he was on for Sleepy Hollow really fun episode um and

444
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then just watching some interviews and it's like he's such a really like smart down-to-earth guy

445
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,760
and you could just tell from a person who has always known that he's wanted to be a director

446
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and has studied what it means to be a director in Hollywood is it's like there there's this whole

447
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,640
like going through the studio path as being a director right like needing to do a couple

448
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for a studio before you get to do a movie for you like almost like a Green Knight isn't able

449
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to be made unless he does a Peter Pan and does an episode of Skeleton Crew coming up for the

450
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Star Wars tv show that's happening and he knows that of like I'm going to take these opportunities

451
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because I get to work with a big budget which is an opportunity absolutely it's an opportunity

452
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and he looks at us as such and it's just and it's kind of I don't know it's also really refreshing

453
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:57,920
the way that he talks because there's just a period of time in the late 90s early 2000s where

454
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I just feel like so many directors were like trying to be so badass and you and I would just

455
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,920
see interviews with them and it's just like you don't want to sell out now you know I don't want

456
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to sell out you know we got some fucking and some guns and some you know shit in this movie and

457
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whatever and I just it's really so like wonderful to see progression in character of people that are

458
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being like given being given opportunities to be like no yeah I just like grew up loving like he

459
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talked about you know loving Steven Spielberg loving George Lucas movie you know that kind

460
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of stuff and just the way he talks about stuff it's just really wonderful because he just

461
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especially one thing that stood out to me is he's like the difference between working on something

462
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like your story or I think I can a ghost story I'm sorry um oh yeah that movie you know a ghost

463
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story to then working on a movie like Peter Pan is is like you are just there are more people

464
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that you are working with but all of those people are incredibly capable so you really just it's a

465
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it's an exercise in learning how to stick like stay true to what your vision is and to come and

466
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to better communicate that effectively rather than just being like I got this fucking idea man and

467
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I'm just gonna you know try to like you know like I don't know steamroll whatever in order to get

468
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this version of a movie out because that's that's why you got hired because you made some fucking

469
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:32,400
artsy gritty movie whatever and David Larry's done that I mean fuck a green knight has heads

470
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:38,240
getting chopped off people getting killed really kind of like and it's like I love well and that

471
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:44,080
movie is minimal in a lot of ways too which is amazing like that and that makes it so that

472
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everything that is on screen matters matters yes it's not like what the I like just throw in the

473
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visual throw up which I see like the like the fucking flash movie I don't know I see the

474
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,520
trailers for the flash and I'm just like uh-huh I can't tell what the what the fuck's going on

475
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:05,120
it just like looks like visual throw up and like just things flying at you and and yeah for

476
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:12,080
for what you say about the action here I it's it's comprehensive and seeing a flying boat

477
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:19,440
never gets old for me it's so it's magic it's so fun and also I mean to your point about like

478
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you know he can he can do an independent movie and he can do you know a block like a Disney

479
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:31,520
a big crowd and he can he can do both that's pretty amazing and it also reminds me of like

480
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this early in career in his career and for any director for that matter it's like we got two

481
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:43,120
fucking Pinocchio movies because Zemeckis and del Toro just have to do their Pinocchio because

482
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they're directors that just like oh I've always wanted to do a Pinocchio like it's always I know

483
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:50,960
just obsessed about that thing that I've wanted that every artist every director would want to

484
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:56,000
do their their version of Pinocchio whatever the fuck fucking Polly Shore's got to do his Pinocchio

485
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,920
um but this just strikes me as a movie of like there's a list of names of directors that we can

486
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,880
get to do this Lowry came up he did Green Night it's a fairy it's essentially a fairy tale

487
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:14,160
you can add um sort of right he did Pete's Dragon which is how he got this by he did he did Pete's

488
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:20,160
so it would actually go yeah because that's another interesting about these like remakes

489
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:25,360
and just Disney in general right now because this applies to Marvel and Star Wars all just across

490
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:32,400
the board just like they're the way that they kind of put these things together is you know and we'll

491
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:39,440
talk about it uh for our next movie um definitely because it's a it's a similar situation where

492
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:47,360
they're like we're going to get because I mean yeah you show it's like uh yeah you show your

493
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:55,600
competency there are there like the concept is adjacent to what the bigger movie is and I'm sure

494
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:01,040
people are like yeah he was great to work with it looks good it was probably like budgeting wise

495
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,280
I imagine that it's like there's so many things about working with David Lowry that people are

496
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:11,440
like the dude's fucking awesome yeah he's a great guy you know you gotta yeah definitely pick him

497
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:18,000
he's not a wacko like well come in there do the work and that's the thing and that can be to its

498
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:24,480
detriment because it does happen like sure in some cases it's just like really like paint by numbers

499
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:31,760
boring as hell whatever but it you know Disney comes in and picks you know people that have shown

500
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:36,720
competency and I'm sure have shown a level of character amongst the people that they work with

501
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:42,000
that are like yeah we're gonna pick them and it is cool I guess to my point is that it's cool

502
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:51,040
that that is the case to a degree that these more smaller indie-ish directors get these

503
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opportunities to make these big movies because then that gives them kind of I don't know if

504
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,680
totally like a full blank check status I mean well because the movie has to be good but it does give

505
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:09,600
you the ability to potentially make more movies afterwards at a certain level you know you trust

506
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,880
them like there's the Lord and Miller situation by Disney and as well where they brought them on for

507
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:22,160
solo didn't seem to really trust them and took them off and put Ron Howard and you know elder

508
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:28,560
statesman statesman of film and everything to clean up whatever mess that Disney thought that they made

509
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:34,960
so and I just think that's interesting the Bond fans that we are when No Time to Die before that

510
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:40,720
came to be was a Danny Boyle situation and they didn't like what he was doing with it either so

511
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:44,400
it's like why would you bring these people in if you're not going to let them have full reign

512
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:56,080
and I do laud Lowry it's a Lowry laud it's a lower it's a lot for coming cutting through the fat

513
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and placing his visual style on this movie successfully like I for what it's worth and

514
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,520
what and whatever criticism I say about it meshing or not it is a good looking fucking movie

515
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:14,400
and I agree he has a visual style that his is his own so much so that I might be able to see a movie

516
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,480
without knowing him and it's like oh this looks like a lot this looks like a Lowry this looks like

517
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,800
I might laud this Lowry I'm looking at this Lowry and I'm lauding that

518
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:31,120
Loving and lauding. Loving and lauding Lowry. That's our new fan. It's music man.

519
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:41,920
But yeah I think that is worthy of praise. We're huge fans of David Lowry on this on this pod

520
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:48,160
because yeah he's uh he's great he's exciting um and yeah I just I'm excited to see him because

521
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:54,720
I'm I hope he has a long career and I hope that he gets to do things he's really interested in and I

522
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:01,280
have a feeling we will benefit greatly from him being allowed to execute on things that are

523
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:07,360
interesting to him and to be supported in doing that and so yeah. Star Wars imagery is gonna yeah

524
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:15,760
it can work well for for his his mind I'm sure and uh I would I would now like to see if if you

525
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:21,200
if you'll let me see what some of these dang critics critics have to feel about this these

526
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:27,360
dang all these dang critics okay yeah audiences and these yeah you've already heard about these dang

527
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:39,440
Jameses Peter Branden and Jamesy yep Branden and Wendy yeah and Dan and Jamesy it works

528
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:46,240
it works don't think about it too much uh 62% from critics 11% by the audience let's start with

529
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:52,160
some of these top critic reviews from Rotten Tomatoes. Noel Murray from LA Times says the

530
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:58,960
movie is entertaining and has a professional polish but it's also very safe is their fresh opinion

531
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:08,560
uh from CNN.com not safe no yeah this movie is not safe I would be careful I would be careful

532
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:14,400
with this Peter Pan movie I need a lot more like sharp objects in that and could you man could you

533
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,360
there's no way it would never happen but like if one of the kids really seemed like they were in

534
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:27,680
danger wow that would be crazy like we're really on the precipice of like oh my god this kid might

535
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,720
get eaten or dead or whatever you're like I don't know who to talk to about this but this movie seems

536
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:41,920
unsafe this is unsafe yeah um from CNN.com Noah Berlatsky uh oh wait this is a wrong I'm I'm uh

537
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:48,240
I'm cherry picking fresh reviews I'm sorry I misread that um let's let's move on to

538
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:57,040
London Evening Standard from Charlotte O'Sullivan love the big band yeah that's what they say moving

539
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:04,640
on the big band scenes were when they when the pirates asked for tea then that was that was

540
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:12,000
excellent um three out of five smarter and way more magical than Spielberg's hook PJ Hogan's

541
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:20,000
Peter Pan or Joe Wright's pan this version when it gets off the ground soars yeah oh that's right

542
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:27,200
Joe Wright did that pan movie that's that's interesting that is a polarizing director

543
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:36,080
do fucking that movie and cats oh how you doing Joe Wright how you doing yeah I don't know if

544
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:41,760
cats is polarizing I think everybody just really really doesn't like that move I haven't seen it

545
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:48,480
have you seen it I think I might have thrown it on one night uh and didn't get too far but uh give me

546
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,800
that butthole cut I want that butthole cut you heard about that right that's great I did hear

547
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:00,400
it's really funny that they were like not only did they put that much time to make it

548
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,240
the butthole cut but then they had to go back in and take them out

549
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,960
those poor people were like you put you two made me spend a lot of time putting that in there

550
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:16,000
and now we're gonna go in and look at those buttholes again take them out I just did the

551
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:21,440
Sonic movie what do you think it's what's the matter with you people um from Empire magazine

552
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:27,760
Ben Travis three out of five an adaptation that for all its well-executed ideas feels a little

553
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:38,640
too keen to grow up oh interesting no that's yeah I mean what a totally critic way to put that

554
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:44,560
but yeah that's interesting because that's that's by and large you know kind of kind of the stuff we

555
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:51,840
were grappling with being you know an issue is that yeah the tone and the look of this movie is

556
01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:01,840
forces it to be realistic and and whatnot and it doesn't allow a lot of it's like

557
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a lot of opportunity to flourish and be you know super fantastical but yeah see what you mean

558
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um let's go to Lovia Guyark from Hollywood Reporter this version of the fairy tale grounds

559
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the fundamental wistfulness of the original tale with empathetic backstories and takes care to

560
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remedy the originals over racism and latent sexism

561
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it is nice that there are girls in the Lost Boys career I like that yeah there's also a person who

562
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I think is on the spectrum right mm-hmm I like that as well that was really yeah yeah I mean all

563
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:48,960
of them like fit and made sense and were fun yeah uh let's check out some audience reviews 11% they

564
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:57,200
hated it uh like really did not like it and some of these reviews okay let's yeah I'm really wrong

565
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:03,440
so I might not finish some of them but I'll like like there's there's this one that I found that

566
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:09,200
like goes through endless all the different like what is different from this in the original I'll

567
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:15,120
read a little bit of it Nivea Rose one star if I could give this no stars I would there have been

568
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:21,280
other bad Peter Pan adaptations in the past but this one is too similar and too different whoa

569
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:27,200
can you imagine making it the worst one blankets and less blankets at the same time

570
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:38,080
I hate it for every reason the things it did right it did too well well then there's no pleasing you

571
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:45,840
all right uh Peter Pan is my favorite story and they cannot call this book they cannot call this

572
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:50,880
a book adaptation you really have to stay true to the book and it's been done before in the 2003

573
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:56,800
version they did it perfectly using exact dialogue from the book now Wendy was arguing with Peter

574
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,680
the entire movie I don't know why Tiger Lily was still a character if they took out her tribe

575
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,280
I know they tried to be less racist but she cannot be the only native person there

576
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,480
and if they're going to make that change they have to explain why they have to

577
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,320
Tink lost all her personality her sassiness that makes her likable to the viewers she has a

578
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:19,760
personality from the Disney spinoffs for Tinkerbell and it's not really her why was she even there she

579
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:25,920
just smiled the entire time and making her talk was stupid I wish they had kept her being mean to

580
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:31,520
to Wendy so we could have the I do believe in fairy's chance either you cherry picking the

581
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:37,360
things you want and then like getting mad at the things they change it's like hey hey and they just

582
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:46,080
go they go through the whole movie man it's like a paragraph 1,127 people on Google found this

583
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:52,640
review helpful so that's good to know that's insane uh even at the very end I don't know why

584
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:59,520
they had to add the whole boarding school plot it was infuriating I don't know why they said I know

585
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:04,400
why they said to go to Neverland Wendy has to say she doesn't want to grow up I don't know why they

586
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,480
had to add that little part where Wendy couldn't see the pirates I don't know I don't know I don't

587
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:14,880
know and we'll do like a couple more there's like these are the main ones are like really long and

588
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:21,520
just just dress this movie down it's intense oh god well I mean that's that's where that 11 comes

589
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:28,320
from right is that this is like people she said like this is my favorite story ever that's uh

590
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:34,560
that's the thing is we're talking about an ip that people feel very very strongly about and if it

591
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:39,360
isn't presented you know what I was thinking about the concept in particular about nostalgia is is

592
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:46,880
that I think it is so funny how people who give into nostalgia feel like the best way to feed that

593
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:55,600
is to get the thing again but I would actually argue that what you're seeking in in in that

594
01:05:55,600 --> 01:06:01,040
moment or it with that media whatever is the feeling that you first had when you watched it

595
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:11,680
and that that I think is that that that needs to be new just trying to mine a feeling you had when

596
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:18,880
you were 30 years younger like whatever is it's really not going to end well but understand that

597
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:23,760
you're capable of feeling that sense of wonder and feeling that sense of excitement or fear about

598
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,160
growing up but it doesn't have to be from peter panick it could be from a different movie or

599
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,240
like a new story not a different movie necessarily but a new story yeah that's that's makes it just

600
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:37,440
makes you question like and that's why I phrased that question to you maybe at the beginning and

601
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:43,040
I would ask this person too is like what is the perfect version what do you want and I guess for

602
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:48,880
that for that first person it was that 2003 peter pan I guess did it for them but maybe that just

603
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,480
hit them at a certain time in their life too where it's like is anything ever going to hit

604
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:59,600
you again that way because you're dead inside um we'll do yeah and then there's like two of

605
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:05,440
these reviews where like they just list source material disney movie source material disney

606
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:12,080
movie and they compare this dan de wisel gives it one star completely disrespects j.m. barry's novel

607
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:17,040
a disturbing trend of hollywood nowadays to disrespect the source material goes through

608
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:22,400
gives a bunch of examples and ends with in other words this movie is definitely catered to jen z

609
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:27,680
snowflakes whose feelings are more fragile than a porcelain doll's turds

610
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,120
wow I mean I gotta give you a couple points for that

611
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:37,120
porcelain doll's turds that's imagery right there porcelain yeah you should be on the critic side

612
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,720
um this one's a meme review and I thought it was funny I'm I'm gonna read it from cool ninja one

613
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:49,680
star biggie chungus sus edition is a hilarious and entertaining movie that delivers on its promise

614
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,200
of being sus from start to finish this movie had no

615
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:58,800
laughing and on the edge of my seat with its unexpected twists and turns the characters

616
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:03,920
especially biggie chungus were well developed and their quirky personalities added to the overall

617
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,480
humor of the film the cinematography and special effects were impressive and really brought the

618
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:13,840
imaginary world of biggie chungus to life the soundtrack perfectly complemented the tone of the

619
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:19,440
movie with catchy tunes that had me tapping my feet and humming along overall but it was a

620
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:23,760
good laugh and a break from reality I highly recommend this movie to anyone who wants to

621
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:28,160
enjoy a light-hearted and fun-filled evening with friends and family it's a one star

622
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:35,280
for another reviews folks maybe you get an 11% on rotten tomatoes because you got some

623
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:53,200
um I'll do uh yeah and then I'm not gonna read that one that there's is it possible to like say

624
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:58,000
parts of review because I'm really interested okay I'll do okay fine I'll do this one just

625
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:04,000
okay I'll do that one I'll do that one I'll do that one I'll do that one I'll do that one

626
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:11,440
this one just to let everyone know is about is from a racist essentially yeah this person is

627
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:18,000
is is I'm I'm accusing to be David Murphy one star sad that they have to try to interject

628
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:24,800
black characters in movies I'm no racist it's just obvious there is a glad they had to clarify

629
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:29,360
right off the bat I'm no racist it's just obvious there is an objective to place black actors and

630
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:34,640
actresses that it's almost distressing to see the obvious effort by movie companies like a good actor

631
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:39,360
is a good actor or actress a lot of my favorite actors are black like Eddie Murphy Richard Pryor

632
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:45,200
Denzel Washington my favorite sports okay my favorite sports players are black I'm he's

633
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:50,320
a black singer how you like black people and they just list and they're just listing black people

634
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:55,280
most of my favorite people are black I'm far from a racist but I'm disgusted by the way all movies

635
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,040
now have this gotta have black characters in remakes of classic movies Little Mermaid what a

636
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,920
joke Peter Pan let's get real this is obviously attempt to make black people happy while disgrace

637
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:09,360
is placed upon the whites like always white people can't be in black movies let's place

638
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,200
fat Albert with a white dude and see what happens let's have a white actor play Michael Jackson

639
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:17,680
bah ha ha let's do the life of Jimi Hendrix with a white dude and see the hour is just

640
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:24,800
pop off like a fourth of July firework yeah we did one we did so yeah so that there's there's

641
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:32,080
there's a chunk of that out there 136 people found this helpful I hate that I'm repeating

642
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:38,560
these words but I also think it's worthwhile for our podcast to show what's what kind of

643
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:43,120
fucked up places the polarization comes from that's not even like about the movie and then

644
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:48,400
it starts you start to hone in a little bit on why it's so low at 11 percent because what else in

645
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:53,360
this movie is so fucking offensive to people to make to bring it that low there's nothing

646
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:58,800
stupid right the answer is simple it's nothing so yeah that's why I was curious um you know

647
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,680
I definitely don't condone anything that person said because it's obvious that you're racist

648
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:08,640
in the sense that you all you're focusing on is a person's race like you know that's

649
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:16,320
we we can and we will eventually like have to be a certain way like what there's nothing

650
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:22,320
right and it says it I mean to you yeah it's like the actress of like Tinkerbell and their minds

651
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:27,760
about what things are supposed to be you know it's exactly right because you're so focused on it and

652
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:35,360
it has to be yeah exactly so but it I'm but nonetheless there is you know a reason for it

653
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:41,360
and you're right to point out that and this has happened for a couple of movies we've done at this

654
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:50,400
point um where there is an underlying like people are going out to rate this rate this movie poorly

655
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:56,160
because Tinkerbell is black you know that's the world we live in the last one was haywire and it

656
01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:01,840
was yeah it was almost from a different direction and people were upset with Gina Carano right or

657
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:07,440
the Punisher where people were were pumping that movie up lionizing it right yeah you're lionizing

658
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:13,440
it like yeah it goes both ways but it's it's where you put your points you know and yeah it's

659
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:19,600
ridiculous because that movie sucks our Punisher does um haywire was pretty cool I think I think

660
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:24,160
we both yeah I think both of us were pretty on board with haywire um yeah if I remember correctly

661
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:29,280
but that's like most soda I mean any soda burger is like yeah there's gonna be some that are like

662
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:35,040
fuck that was really cool yeah right have you seen Kimmy no that's I think it's a polarizing one too

663
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:39,200
we should watch that is it man that movie rips I love that yeah I think that's on our list

664
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:49,680
I'm a big fan of Kimmy um but yeah yeah that's a 92.59 that one oh wow wow you definitely could

665
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,480
yeah it's I think well I've already said how I feel about it but you know cool no we'll put

666
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:58,960
it wanting to watch it we'll put it on the board I'll put it on the board uh so yeah on the board

667
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:06,240
that's that's we we we took a little some people suck dip of our toe into the the poisonous crevice

668
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:12,160
of of internet reviews um you know last week we did fucking wet cells pretzels reviews so you never

669
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:18,480
know what's gonna happen and you never know that's why you gotta tune in you might get events

670
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:24,000
volunteer lists on your Peter Pan and Wendy episode you never know right be tearless and

671
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:31,440
we'll see we'll see how this little mermaid movie uh shapes out to be on on the old rt rt site um but

672
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:38,400
for now I guess we should give uh a numerical value to our feelings uh just like as we've been

673
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,920
right talking about all these all these people so we should do the same uh Brandon do you want to

674
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:48,000
start should I start how we sure I can start no I think yeah I think you finishing would be a good

675
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:55,680
move um I just want to I want to say out of like it just is so funny to think about how good this

676
01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:02,160
movie is in comparison from a director who has not made as many good movies as the people that have

677
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:08,560
also done these live-action remakes of Aladdin was Gaia Richie John Favreau for Lion King Tim

678
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:14,720
Burton for Alice in Wonderland Favreau did a Jungle Book too right he did Jungle Book reps though um

679
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:20,560
that one is fun oh wow you like that one cool yeah uh and then Pinocchio from Robert Zemeckis

680
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:27,040
like you know really really big act of big directors making super duper poopy vert live

681
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:33,040
action remakes of these movies and I just gotta give it to David Lowry for that's in Burton

682
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:37,440
Alice in Wonderland that I don't know if that started at all maybe that's and it's it's kind

683
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:43,360
of but that one is pretty poopy what yeah what a nightmare if that was the I mean but Burton would

684
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:51,760
love that we're in a fucking nightmare because of him he's the one that kicked it off get ready

685
01:14:51,760 --> 01:15:01,040
for Beetlejuice too motherfuckers that's like fuck oh yeah geez anyways um so again I I think the

686
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:06,960
direction of this movie is pretty dope uh but it is a David Lowry movie which then the story of

687
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,600
Peter Pan suffers from because I do think that this would be this should be more enjoyable that

688
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:16,880
I'm you know I don't I'm gonna mention it now to drive the point but it's something we could have

689
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:26,880
talked about more is this is a kids movie and showing a eight-year-old this movie I don't know

690
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:33,920
would they would they like it I have a I kind of a hard time thinking yeah I think they would

691
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:41,040
probably find it maybe pretty boring or um I don't know maybe scared I don't know maybe even scared

692
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:47,440
they're like oh this is I don't like it because it's you know it's kind of morose at times um

693
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:53,600
makes me think it's like for adults as well yeah but yeah it can't that's the thing because it's

694
01:15:53,600 --> 01:16:02,640
Peter Pan that's the thing if it was a David Lowry movie about uh you know a orphan boy

695
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:09,200
and his friend who then magically grows up and he doesn't and it's some unique story then I could

696
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:14,480
see it being more pitched to adults because you know that tone would make sense as the director

697
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:21,120
and I'm sure the writing would be different but this is being this Disney property um yeah I don't

698
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:30,960
know uh I like this movie but I didn't love this movie um I'm gonna give this movie a 65% yeah did

699
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:37,280
I get it right on the money oh of what oh man I was like man did I really just I mean I'll

700
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:43,520
spoil it for myself I mean I'm that's that's my ballpark right now and and uh it's overall and

701
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:48,240
and that's I was mentioning earlier it was hard for me not to just judge it on the on the story

702
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:54,720
alone because I just kind of like the Lion King story a little bit better I like just being I like

703
01:16:54,720 --> 01:17:00,560
that movie like the original movie kind of I'm just growing up in as little your 90s giddy

704
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:06,640
there just did um but totally fair I like Lion King's story more as well just it's so much fun

705
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:12,960
and I you know I like uh I watched some of the original again and in preparation and the the

706
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:19,040
music and the songs and that original is something that I'm not sure if they needed to or wanted to

707
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:26,400
or wanted to be that sort of movie incorporate that into into uh this Peter Pan and Wendy but um

708
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:33,920
I don't know the music is so so much fun to have as as well and adds again the joy of it all but

709
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:38,720
you you express it very well that it's it's a well-directed movie it's it's got his voice it's

710
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:47,360
got his style uh somehow coming through a very corporate Disney product uh trying to replicate

711
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:55,120
the magic and that's impossible to do and to have this kind of impossible task to have it rise up or

712
01:17:55,120 --> 01:18:01,360
even compare to the originals you might as well add add your your flavor to it and there was there

713
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:07,440
was some of that where it was allowed and I can and I that made me uh at least relieved and happy

714
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:15,360
to know that he was able to put some spins into the characters in terms of um Hook and Peter Pan

715
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:22,480
and their whole background and history between each other I thought was worthwhile and interesting

716
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:29,760
and I like that change uh and I like Tinkerbell being nice I liked I liked uh that sort of

717
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:35,440
uh that's that's where I did find joy in this movie was that sort of love and compassion coming

718
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:41,280
through and in a way that uh reminds me when I watch everything every every once at the end

719
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:46,560
where it's just like that sort of I feel warm and fuzzy with love inside when Tinkerbell and Wendy

720
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:51,040
have a little moment at the end rather than like okay I like you now and I hated you a whole movie

721
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:56,400
it's like no we've just been gradually warming up to each other and and now it's it's come together

722
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:02,560
in this way that Peter Pan never gave me what you just gave me in that and then Peter Pan gives

723
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:07,440
or sorry Wendy gives Peter Pan that conversation at the end which I thought was handled just uh

724
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:16,560
perfectly and and there is a minimalism to the uh visual artistry that I really uh love from David

725
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:23,040
Lowry where things are easy to digest and comprehend when you know that there are still a lot of effects

726
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:30,320
going on but you're able to digest them well um but yeah I guess critically I you know

727
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:38,400
it always comes back down to the same thing of like how worth it is this experience uh when I

728
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:44,800
could watch something a better version of it that's the original um how much does his visual style

729
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:52,640
jive with with some of those things uh I I question a little bit when we do uh have a movie like Hook

730
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:58,720
to look at as well or even yeah I mean my my older sister fucking loved that 2003 Peter Pan

731
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:07,120
I'd seen that movie a lot and that one does have a lot of color and uh and and more hyper energy

732
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:18,480
I guess yeah but this one holds its own uh it's just whether these are going to be uh worth it

733
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:23,120
in the long run and if I'm going to continue to revisit some of these movies is is the biggest

734
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:30,240
question um I'm gonna I'm gonna go right there with you Brandine I'll do uh yeah I'll do like a

735
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:39,360
I'll do a 67 I'm gonna see a little plus two yeah one plus two yeah that's that feels good I feel

736
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:43,520
like that's around now if Brandy plus two Brandy plus two that's around how I feel I feel like for

737
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:50,400
Lion King was around that score 60 something and that's just like it's he rose above to create

738
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:56,320
something that made it a bit more interesting than what it could have been and uh there are

739
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:04,400
worse versions out out there of this and uh that'll do it for uh for uh Peter Pan and Wendy for

740
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:10,800
for us I thought I thought that was a that was a fun conversation that also revisited a conversation

741
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,760
we had for a very first episode of this of this podcast so it's cool to think about it that in a

742
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:23,120
new way as well um throughout this whole process uh and now I would like to announce our next movie

743
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:32,080
we will be continuing in the Disneyverse uh newly acquired or newly acquired at the time of this

744
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:38,000
movie I've you know I feel like this uh not the first of the new sequels but the second

745
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:47,120
the last Jedi Star Wars a Star Wars story uh there's gonna be some opinions on that episode

746
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:53,280
2017 all the opinions have been put out there already no one really I don't know people probably

747
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,480
I mean the Star Wars fans probably wake up in the middle of night every now and we didn't think

748
01:21:56,480 --> 01:22:03,840
about this movie uh how positive or negatively um but it's very polarizing 91 from critics 42 from

749
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:10,880
audience it is a critically favored Star Wars movie and those Star Wars fans are not happy

750
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:18,960
about it uh when are they happy um we were gonna talk about it and we're gonna jump into a 2017

751
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:25,040
movie that had a lot of discourse and we're gonna uh get some good defibrillator and and liven it up

752
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:32,880
again um thank you so much Brandini it has been thank you a true joy to have you on this flying

753
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:43,280
ship of a podcast as we descend back down into Neverland uh before our next journey uh but if

754
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:50,160
you want to reach us in the meantime you can see this live twitch.tv slash polarize pod you go to

755
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:56,080
twitter.com slash polarize pod talk to us there send us a line at polarize the pod at gmail.com

756
01:22:56,080 --> 01:23:03,680
send us anything uh you can hear me and Brandini on another podcast about music music producers um

757
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:11,680
next episode i'm gonna be excited i i'm gonna be i am excited about we're talking max martin

758
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:19,520
talking max martin next episode for our music producer podcast called prod pod um max martin's

759
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:28,720
done pretty much defined my childhood i feel like in terms of pop pop music uh and we've done some

760
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:35,840
other cool people like barry gordy of motown and dip blow and todd rungren still pretty new uh

761
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:42,080
podcast we would really appreciate if you uh checked it out if you like us here uh it's uh

762
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:48,720
easiest to find on spotify and uh we love you so much is there is there anything uh else brandini

763
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:56,800
gray brandini brandan um jamesy anything else um james pan and brandini

764
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:07,600
no that's it that's it well you said it all you did it we did it let's fly away now you did it out

765
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:14,720
there anybody listening you did it you did it you got to the end of a podcast oh my god you did it

766
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:21,840
well there somehow somehow you made it somehow you made it and now we fly away and we'll and we'll uh

767
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:28,960
see you in star wars land we're out of neverland we're into star wars and we love you goodbye

768
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:34,320
oh wow that was so loud it it it peaked you peaked so hard

769
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:42,960
oh yeah this is my good night detroit

770
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:48,240
we have fun over here

771
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:58,240
it feels good you should try it sometime okay maybe i won't feel good in a little

772
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:08,080
bit actually my throat kind of hurts we can fly are you guys still here okay bye