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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Avatar way of water. What is our next movie? Is it the Wiz and then

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last dragon I think? Yeah, God, we're doing the Wiz next. That's crazy, dude. Polaris

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taking on the Wiz. That's big stuff. That is big shit. Not many people do, but we're

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doing it. Yeah, we're fucking big dogs now. Yeah. We're fucking here. We're we're whizzing

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it. We got a whiz out. I mean, we've always been dogs. Now we're big dogs. Yeah, we got

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to get those shirts. Big dog, big dog shirts. Damn, I mean, those are back in the big. I

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we should start getting back in a big dogs. You and I together, we have probably have

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a box of big dog shirts perfect for a 12 year old boy. Oh my god. How old are we? We were

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but got a radio. I could go for another one. Oh, absolutely. Probably got a Raiders of

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the last bark. Oh, the great. That's great. I last memory I have it from it was the this

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guy that I went to community college with in an anthropology class I took one semester.

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I felt like that either he wore that shirt like every day or that was like his Tuesday

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shirt when we had class together because I swear I sat behind like pretty close behind

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him and he was that guy in class that was like obnoxious to an ex to on some days of

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the days it was it was fine, whatever. But he would just like talk and talk and talk

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and talk and go on to like about unrelated things and ask questions. You know, you should

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have an inquisitive mind, but be questions that are just kind of you could sense the

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whole vibe of the room just kind of like, you know, and I'd always just look at the

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like the big big dog symbol in the back of shirt. Man, he wears that shirt all the time.

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That's the big guy. It was very generic one. It wasn't even one that had a joke. It was

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just big dog. And then the dog. Welcome to the podcast, everybody. You caught us talking

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about big dog clothing where I highly, highly recommend you check it out. I wonder if there's

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still still going on. This is such an interesting way to start the podcast. Yes. But should

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I start conventional? No, I mean, go for it. Yeah, we should do it. You do just do this.

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You clicked on the episode and jumping into big dog clothing where and I'm doing a goog

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as we speak. I'm googling it. Big dog clothing 90s is the next auto fill. Big dog sports

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wear. Can you imagine? Oh, no, it's just like biking or something or doing some extreme

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sports with our dogs. The one that's on their front page is like one of their badass big

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dogs. And it's saying, you can't fix stupid, not even duct tape. Wow. That's kind of aggressive.

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Okay, oh, wait. Okay, I was into some of the punny ones. Here we go. Yeah. This is polarized

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podcast. We're talking big dog clothing where to start off. We'll get into it here in a

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second. Rip it. I might be getting older, but I refuse to grow up. Okay, these are these

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are your old guy shirts, but I'm looking for punny ones. I can explain it to you, but I

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can't understand it for you. Where are the funny ones? Yeah. P you that one was not good.

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These are like cranky old grandpa. Oh my god. The men. Oh, some of these are fun. Works

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well with others when they leave me the blank alone. Okay. I'm not old. I'm age to perfection.

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Okay. Old guy shirts. Just do it tomorrow. Love that. I got a shirt that has that I got

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from Costa Rica with a sloth that says just do it tomorrow. So I'm all about that. As

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far as graphic teas go, if you go to t shirts and then go to the howl of fame, okay. Okay.

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Oh, wow. It'll get you there. Look at this like classic logo. Yeah. We got the dog father.

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If you can't run. Okay. Let's go back and forth. I'm going to, if you can see my screen,

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I'm going to do this one. And then if you see one that you want to jump onto, uh, we'll

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do a couple and then we'll move on to mahogany, the movie. Uh, I see one here that says if

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you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch. Wow. Okay. Um, I, I mean, God, there's

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not that many, unfortunately, cause I mean, yeah, I'm looking at it. The most like crossover

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IP stuff that I see here is we got South park and it's all the little guys, but they're

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dogs and then yeah, we got the dog father and it's a, it's a, well, you see what they

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said under South park. Oh my God. They fixed Kenny. Yes, of course. Right. Uh huh. Yeah.

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A dog father. And then we also got leashes. We don't need no stinkin leashes. My dad

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would like that one. I think my dad would like that one. I know, but it is, uh, dad's

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love it, but man, is it insensitive. Yes. It is atrociously outdated and not chill anymore

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to wear. If you were to wear that, you're like, so you also voted for Trump. Some of

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these kind of have that vibe. Yeah. They're aggressively like, yeah, I have my own opinion.

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Yeah. And fuck you on top of it. Okay. Big log. The categories are pretty fun. Big dog

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logo, big attitude, humor, drinking, hobby, parody, parody, parody. Cause I remember it

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like James bone once. Here we go. Signed masters of their domain. You got Elaine Bassett, like

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as it has these one human. What are some posmo creamer? They got George Cospaniel. Oh, there's

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the James bone. Double. Okay. Now you found it. Nice. Yeah. Uh huh. Halloween. We got

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captain big dog rum. Yo ho ho. Jurassic world. I like that. I mean, big bow cowski, big,

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no big bow. Wow. Ski, big bow. Wow. Ski. The dog. Now we're getting good. Now we're good.

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I'm liking this. I love top dog because it's like it's top gun, but top dog is just such

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a clear, like, uh, you know, kind of saying that it just doesn't know. Yeah. Oh, the sweatiest

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is the soprano dogs. That's just soprano with dog attached. It's interesting seeing the

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doctor, the dog. Oh, there's dog ter evil, but it just says, throw me a fricking bone,

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which is like literally what he says. It's not even the play on it. It's like, oh, yeah,

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the Rex files, agent mutter and Collie. Oh my God. I'm going to have to get the bones.

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Wow. What a time. Your fucking birthday, dude. The world is big enough. Double okay. Nine.

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The world is not enough. James bond, big dog. What a pull. The name's bone and James bone.

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Yes. Oh, I think this is might be the one I had tomorrow. Never bites. I think I might

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have had this one. Ben James bone tomorrow. Never diets. Did you just say that? Sorry.

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No, no, no. I had the world is all the world. Oh, I had one of those. I remember always

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seeing them at the store and being like, fuck God, that would be that would represent my

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love for not only James bond, but dogs and animals. I love my doggies. James on it. Oh,

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yeah. And James, that's right. I almost forgot my name for you. It's almost like an encouragement

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to fuck. It's like bone. That could be my poor name. Yes. Yeah. As well as my big dog

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name. Oh, God. Yeah. How funny is that? Soprano dogs one where just like sopran dogs. Is that

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what it says? No, it's it's soprano dogs, right? Oh, it is soprano dogs. Wow. Forget

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about it. That's all it is. Yeah. And first is forget about it. Wow. Look at that. The

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whole cast is there in dog form. I mean, it's you can just keep going with that idea. It's

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a good idea. I love it. Makes sense. It's still going on. Even the basic. This basic

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logo is pretty dope. I think too, with dad core being a fashion that like you could talk

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one of these shirts into like like wide like legged pants and it being like, oh, yeah,

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that guy's just a hipster. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, these are fresh. I suppose these colors

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are kind of like pastel and fun. That logo is, you know, like, oh, yeah. Did you buy

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it new or did you buy it from, you know, thrift store? Who knows? Because it could be something

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you got from the nineties and bucket hats. See, they just never left. They just stuck

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around and waited for the fashion to come back around. They're ahead of their time.

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That's all I'm saying. Speaking of ahead of their time, Gary, Gary, Bordy, Gary Bordy.

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This is the most crazy. You know, you know what? I'm rolling with it. I know. I'm going

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to back off just for a second. Just really do a quick intro. I mean, we've already I

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was going to do. I promise I had to get my big dog out. I was going to get it. I was

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going to get James, put your big dog away. Come on. Oh, you're recording. Big dog is

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up too late. I'm a big dog now and deal with it. Yeah. And forget about it. But yes, I

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am sorry to derail so early on in my night. I'll I'll don't apologize. I love it. That's

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the intro, baby. And I'm sticking to it. This is the polarized pod. I am the host, James.

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This is my fellow host, the great brand Dini as yes. Yes. Known to be called in this king

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as a fellow king in this polarized kingdom. We are coming to you. Not live. But if you

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were on it, well, yeah, sort of maybe. But we we talk about polarizing movies, movies

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that critics and audiences disagree on on Rotten Tomatoes and on Rotten Tomatoes is

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broken up into two camps, audiences and the critics. The movies that we talk about are

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the ones that they disagree on either audiences love it, critics hate it or vice versa. We've

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done that includes a lot of interesting movies that we've done in the past. And yes, going

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for for a little bit now. And it's cool that that can include almost any genre because

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it's just about how people feel about it. And this one is mahogany. And we're doing

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this because of Gary Bordy. He is. A prominent figure in pop culture, to say the least, and

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I just say the least, like one of the most influential people. Like it is an understatement

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to talk about how important he is in music. Yeah, in movies. The opposite. Yeah, I mean,

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this is this one is nigh almost invisible and hard, hard to find and track down. But

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it is rated on Rotten Tomatoes, a movie from 1975 when Rotten Tomatoes definitely wasn't

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a thing. So it's fun to. This is more of the rare form of movie that has that has stopped

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by on the old polarized kingdom is the one that's pre Rotten Tomatoes existence, which

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I'm not sure exactly when when they came to be. But it's was it's really exciting to

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jump into a movie from 1975. We did one other Charles Bronson movie that was that was fun

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as well. And this one has a 30 percent by critics and a 76 percent by audiences. And

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this is my first time hearing about it. And if I can just even drop a little hint at a

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plug at the beginning, we we mean we being me and Brandini, the royal we the royal we

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we and frequent guests of ours, El Blarje, have another podcast called The Prod Pod.

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We have just started and we are talking about music producers and Barry Gordy, Gary Bordy,

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excuse me, is our next one that we are covering. So this was kind of a fun little mini series

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that we're kind of jumping into for these next three movies are going to be very Gary

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Bordy related. This first one is directed by the man himself and we will be doing two

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more coming up and I'll reveal later. You like that? Oh, I love a little tease. Oh,

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I'm loving the energy, man. I just I'm glad that we started off. We got the big dog out

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of the way until we got the honestly I needed the big dog. OK, so something happened today

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leading up to this podcast is I I made cheeseburgers and I made they weren't like they weren't

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big ones, but I ate three of them and it felt like I got hit by a tranquilizer. I have just

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been like it was crazy. Like I I sat and I watched for some reason I started watching

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how I met your father. It's like I don't know if it's Hillary Duff is on Hillary Duff is

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in it. Yeah, I don't know if it's very good, but for some reason it's pretty fucking watchable.

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But man, I have I house these three burgers and I seriously have you didn't do any like

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doubles you just like three three. Yeah, because I got three singles and very straightforward.

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Like I just thought going into it like I could do three because they're like not very big,

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whatever. But man, after the third one, I blew me away how tired I got after that. I

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was like I felt like they had heroin in them or something because I just came out of it.

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I was like, oh man, I had to like I've been like Diana Ross from Lady Sings the Blues.

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I'm just like shaking a little bit now. But good Lord, dude, I just I haven't felt like

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that after a meal in a minute. And congratulations. Were they tasty? I mean, they were so oh,

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they were so tasty because I did. I sauteed some onions up with some leap leap parents

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Worcestershire sauce and put that on top. And then I had some some classic singles.

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Yes, which is just I think a necessity for the perfect choice for for a burger or a breakfast

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Sammy. Oh, God, my or just a fried egg in general. Just just pop that fucker. But yeah,

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man, I don't podcast. It's OK. OK. Are any of these fuckers? Yeah. So I'm I'm glad we

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kind of just started off on a more like lighter note and something a little off kilter because

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good Lord, was I just like I can't believe how tired I was, but I'm excited to talk about

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this movie. I'm excited to talk about Jerry Snorty. I think it is this is such a curio

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and yeah, pumped. Did you have a dream of being a master chef in in Rome?

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to find a parallel to the opening this movie, but that was kind of yeah. So I that was rough.

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I did, though I did have a I had a whole envisioning of me as a established master chef where everybody

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is just you know, I made food and then people just started clapping their asses off. Just

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stop for like 20 minutes, 20 minutes. It's like the it's really it looked like in the

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crowd of this, you know, this presentation of my meal, that this is the greatest meal

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that anybody in the place had ever seen or entire life to the point where I got standing

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ovation that lasted, I think, 15 minutes. It would put some of these movies at the Venice

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Film Festival to shame is the kind of shit you know, and that's how I felt about the

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opening of this movie, which just man already so fucking confusing, right? Cool. Some of

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the some of the better like cinematography in the whole film is this one one shot or

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like not one shot, but this one sequence that just kind of comes out of the blue. But the

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floating figures as it open opens up on is like one of the coolest things artistically

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is done in the movie, I feel like. And but it's just yeah, just it throws you into some

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cold water. Absolutely. And it's so fucking jarring to well, first off, it's it does this

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thing that is just such a funny thing that happens sometimes in movies where like Kabuki

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finale. That's what it's. Yeah, right. You know, which the Kabuki finale movie starts

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and you're just kind of like, what? What? You're like woken up from like a three cheeseburger

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nap and you're like, whoa, Kabuki finale. It reminded me of Diamonds Are Forever when

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Shady Ecorns does his like the bit we get of him doing a stand up is like two minutes

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of the end of his act. But it kind of presented like it's full of the whole thing. I know

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what you're talking about. But yeah. And so you just you're like dropped into it where

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it's like the end of a thing. But it's so weird that it doesn't show you the beginning

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instead because it just creates this very like frantic energy of like and it's over.

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And it just started and you're like, oh, fuck. OK. I mean, I guess the show was good because

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everybody's losing their fucking mind right now. But like this Kabuki ending, I have no

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idea. And then it threes frames on it that looks like dog shit. So that was just a whole

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way to start this movie. Unintelligible sort of. And I'm going to say this early is sound

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mixing and whether it's. A direction of like telling people how long and loud to clap or

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how you mix it within the scene later on in post or whatever it is. It was just almost

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maddening and how prolonged that went on for where it did seem surreal and dreamlike, I

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guess. I guess. Right. And then it doesn't do you a lot of favors because it is kind

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of just like a quick foggy transition. It's not even there's not a music cue. It doesn't

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have to be that stereotypical, but it's just kind of like a very soft wipe. And then it

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goes on to like her real life. But for a second, you're just kind of like, wait, what is that?

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Did that happen? And what's what's going on? Oh, totally. And because I was thrown that

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I was like, oh, this is why. Because I didn't there's not really anything. I mean, it makes

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sense in hindsight. But when I first saw it, I was like, oh, wait a minute. Because I was

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reeling from that being like, why did we just go from her being a standing ovation to her

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then being working in this thing and then struggling? And I was like, I just I didn't

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realize that it was a dream. But it is so funny. Then once I realized that that was

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the case, because there's a conversation that like, I think her manager, essentially, it

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was so funny. I like was seriously writing notes about it, because after the Kabuki ending,

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she comes off stage and then her manager comes up like, Tracy, you've gotten everything like

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literally says, yeah, you have gotten everything you've wanted. You've done it. You're the

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best fashion to Paris and London and Rome. They're all on the phone right now. Calling

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about the Kabuki finale. Freeze frame. Just like the ending of a movie, which it turns

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out to also be. Yes. But it's weird to jump in like that. And then, you know, I we mentioned

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that it's hard to find this movie. So both of us found it on YouTube for free on just

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like a channel. And it was kind of cut out only like very like I think like the theme

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song they cut out because they just didn't want to get flagged for anything. But it was

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jarring to say the least. That's no fault of their own. But it cuts from that to like

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silence silence. Yes. You know, there's nothing against the movie, but it was just an experience.

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Yeah. Totally. Because we can't there's a lot of stuff like that that happens, especially

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when it comes to the music in this, which is a real bummer. We'll try. It's hard not

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to hold it a little bit against it, because I'm sure that's probably the most redeeming

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qualities of it. And because it was free on YouTube, they just completely cut it out at

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times where it was. Yeah. How jarring is that that we go into Kabuki ending to freeze frame

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to silence? Yeah. I guess when you think about it, it's cool that there is a an attached

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theme song that we throughout the movie, at least we're purviewed to the motif, like,

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way it's stitched through everything. Like when I'm like the I'm trying to think what

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kind of music that would that would be. It's almost like classical or something like that.

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The the the composition of it. But then it's yeah, with the and raw singing on top. Soulful

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as well. But what do you think of Diana Ross in an acting performance? Are you familiar

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with her acting at all? Because I'm not familiar with very gordy movies or Diana Ross acting

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like I love her music, you know? Yeah, I mean, I I had not seen a movie. I think she might

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have been in Blues Brothers, if I'm not mistaken. But I don't really remember her performance

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too much. But yeah, like I was not familiar with especially this era, because this is

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like she is arguably the biggest singer on the planet. Like, at least like close to I

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want to say, right? You know, she saw and then she did the Billie Holiday movie earlier

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and she's with Gary Schnorr Schnorr lacks. Yeah, Gary, Gary, Gary and her dirty. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah. What? Herty gritty, bitch. No, I so I wasn't familiar

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with her acting. Sorry. Yeah, I don't think I said what I meant. But like he is. Yeah,

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I was like, she's good. It's like Diana Ross is Billie Holiday in that movie was I was

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going to say, it's like it's like Diana Ross is and it's kind of it's predicated on and

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I'm sure that's a snary Schnurdy's. We're never going to say Barry Gordy. Sorry. His

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doing a lot to is propping her up being in a relationship and everything and having that

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be a collaboration in making something as well. But you have some context as far as

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like the making of this movie and why Larry Larry Schnurdy is directing this. Yeah. OK.

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So with Lady Sings the Blues, that was a pretty well received movie because Diana Ross's performance

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as Billie Holiday being so good and being so like and that's like Barry Gordy presents.

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It says right at the present. Yes. So it's very much producer role in that. Right. But

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not a director. Yeah. Right. Absolutely. And we'll talk about that if you want to listen

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more about that, we'll listen to prod pod. But yeah. So my understanding is, is like,

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OK, so Lady Sings the Blues was well received because of Diana Ross performance. Also, again,

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she's like, it can't be like understated enough. She's like the biggest fucking pop star on

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the planet. Like everybody knows who she is. So like her being in a movie just makes sense

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because people will just go see it because like Diana Ross is like going to be singing

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in it and she's acting in it. And then for them to like off the like out of the gate

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have a like life spanning performance for Billie Holiday, which she is very like honors

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it well. People like it. Also, too committed performance. Yeah. It's like a very committed

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or biopic and you have to you have to commit. You have to really dig in. Absolutely. Yeah,

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it's not. Yeah, it isn't so much about. Yeah, exactly. So and then also to something that

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I was getting a sense of is that it was really great for people to see an on screen romance

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where the two leads were black as well. And like the chemistry between Billie Dee and

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Lady Sings the Blues and kind of this. I mean, we'll talk about it more like that was also

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a thing is people were like, oh, I'm really loving this, you know, romance that's happening

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on screen by these two black actors. This is amazing. We want more of this. So that's

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why there is such a like one after the next is two movies where Billie Dee's in it and

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is the love interest to Diana Ross because it just the first outing was well received.

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People loved it. They're like, oh, Billie, so hot. He's doing great. The chemistry on

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screen is awesome. Let's do this again. And then so you have mahogany, right? That comes

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out. And originally, it wasn't a snary, dirty as the director. It was Terry Richardson,

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this like more. An actual director, I guess I'll just say that I can't really speak too

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much to like how great his other stuff is because he's done some things, but it's nothing

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that I've really seen. And yeah, so there was this article that I share with you that

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was talking about the production of it like a couple of weeks into the shooting of it,

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they were doing the scenes where Billie Dee is canvassing or like doing the like kind of

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being rallying people at a job site. And there was like a kid or a teenager that just like

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shouted out like people in the streets don't talk like this and made like a clear jab at

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the dialogue because he overheard the scene and all the talking parts and whatever. And

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Barry Gordy just immediately was struck by it and then like internalized it and made

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a huge decision to fire Terry Richardson and be like, I'm from the streets. I get this.

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I'm going to just do this. And yeah, it really is not. It wasn't the right move that I think

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we could safely say because this a lot of the direction in this is just so amateurish.

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Right. I think you've said that to me before the pod recording of like, there's some big

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swings, but yeah, there's a real like lack of understanding of how that's palatable to

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the audience. I feel like and that goes from sound mixing to how you set up a set up a

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scene and bring it to fruition and going through the beats of whatever story you may have,

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which this one, as we saw in the trailer is a real rags to riches story. It's like very

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stereotypical in its storytelling. And to hear that the background of him becoming the

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director speaks to what I imagine he was, he is like as a producer is hands on in a

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way where if things aren't going the way that he envisions it, he has the vision. He has

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what is in his mind is going to be a hit or be popular and he's been very successful in

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the past. And so I'm sure at a certain point where he's just kind of has to take over if

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things aren't going the way that he wants it to, but that also tells me yeah, the fault

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as well of a over eager over micromanaging producer that maybe isn't trusting enough

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in somebody else sometimes to do a good enough job. But I and also like if what he wanted

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actually followed through, I'm not sure if I'm the person to judge if it's like more,

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if it's accurate, you know, and I just think that's the dialogue is clunky as well, you

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know, is the thing. And so, which is not him, right? I mean, I guess that's what you're

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saying. That's like one of the reasons why he wanted to take over is to kind of have

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more more accuracy and truth in that regard. And to me, some of the dialogue was a little

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bit more stilted and clunky and strangely philosophical and in ways that didn't fully

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like make sense sometimes. Well, you know, in the Anthony Perkins, which we should definitely

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talk about as well as like a big, big part of a lot of those lines. But you talked about

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Billy Dee Williams. I mean, the man is in his prime and he's like in his prime wearing

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turtlenecks and just oozing charisma. And I think the chemistry between him and Diana

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Ross makes complete sense why you would want to build a movie around that because so many

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other things can fall into place with those two at the helm and Barry Gordy that snary

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to nerdy and all the all the pieces are in place. But then to also see yes steamed kind

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of I'm not sure what Anthony Perkins has been doing. I'm not super familiar with like his

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career beyond psycho, but to see him popping up in this and really, really given a performance

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like making a meal out of my God, this he's so fascinating to watch. I mean, it's oh yeah,

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big choices. And he was and he was allowed to make I mean, I mean, you're bringing him

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on. I guess he's going to make make choices, but you're allowing him to to make those big

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swings as well. Yeah. Oh, and like meditate on that guy. I know he's I know. And then

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we watched the telescope scene just a second ago, we were reviewing a little bit and I

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was almost almost tempted with this YouTube situation, just do a whole commentary. But

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there is a scene of women modeling with a telescope one after the other. And this is

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the introduction to Anthony Perkins. We should get into the plot a little bit too. But we're

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just on the on the percolator right now. And he's just barking orders one after the other

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and like sucking your gut, like open your mouth a little bit more close it. And then

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after each one, say shit, say shit, say shit. And then they would say shit and smile. And

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it was just such a an abrasive way to introduce a character. I mean, it's definitely purposeful

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in its ability to not show the face of him for a bit and just hear his voice and then

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just that close up of his face right at the end when he's like, not happy. But it doesn't

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it's not really as satisfying as I feel like the as they maybe the director, Harry Gertie

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was wanting it to be in its effect. But there's swings and there's artistic things like that

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edit to the quick close up of his face that like, Oh, I get what you're trying to do.

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But he wears these glasses. He's a little bit older. He's got some some grays. He's

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he's just got such an intense sort of personality and he kind of is a sociopath. You find you

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gradually come to find out. I mean, you kind of know right off the bat, right? Just saying,

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I mean, once he says all the inanimate objects, shit, man. Oh, my God, because that's also

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to the like the name of this movie, Mahogany is given to Diana Ross by Anthony Perkins because

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all of his favorite models he gives inanimate object names to. Yeah, because I can't remember

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why room dedicated to them. Yeah, which is it's a red is a room here. It's a red flag.

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Be like, it's a whole red flag room. Like this is my red flags. Look at these. Well,

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and he's yeah, because he's just a walking red flag because yeah, he already right off

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from jump preets like preets the women like their objects is mean to them. He's also just

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so like he has this like flamboyant bisexual like I'm going to fucking do what I want to

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fucking take photos attitude about shit. And it's a little like you like kind of like an

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air anarchist a little bit or kind of a little bit. Yeah, right. The system a bit but then

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also like, it's like part of the system and it's like facilitating a lot of these problems

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and is really like a real narcissist like real sociopath like his his treatment of the

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models and that the whole all the speech about yeah, everyone you're an inanimate object

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and I give all my inanimate objects names and but also like you don't matter and how

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he treats her is toxic and he does a lot of gaslighting. Yeah, it's crazy. Right. I mean,

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it's just Yeah, that's the thing about this movie like is a lot of this stuff in here

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is really fucking toxic because I would argue to that the relationship between also in this

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between Billy Dee and Diana Ross is kind of fucking toxic. Like I came out of like there

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were situations from jump right is she's she's also kind of toxic with them right? Because

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the meeting of the they're like meet cute is Diana Ross is coming back from talking

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to her like Taylor on to whatever because she's got these you know, she's got a project

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because I think she's she's either working for a fashion house or she's going in fashion

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school. I can't exactly that was rough to wrap my head around to you like how she she

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got a job at like this. Was it like a retail store as a department store which is where

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the fat said she was like a secretary or something and then but she was doing like merchandising

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and shit on the and setting up mannequins and stuff like that I feel like and it was

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that was kind of confusing with I guess when she's with her aunt right? Like what I think

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I think so is that is that like a job is that is that the school I was trying to figure

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that out because that seemed like another job and she was like trying to do designing

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under I think that is the truth is that she is in design and fashion school and then that's

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what she went to her on to get designed but then she also has to make money her job is

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an assistant to a like department store art director almost like art I'm sure there's

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another term for but like somebody who's job is is to like what are what's being put on

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the models what is being stocked in the store you know like that's why she was there during

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the the like catalog shoot or whatever Anthony Perkins was I mean because who the fuck was

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that for where it was a fashion show that had telescopes like what I just put your finger

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in the put your put your finger in the lens yeah grab it grab it yeah grab it grab it

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grab it yeah say shit was there also I maybe I'm conflating these movies because this like

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does seem like a fever dream to me but was there also like a robot fashion show like

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shoot as well robot fashion shoot I don't remember that okay I feel like there was a

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shoot where there was like robots like I wonder if I came out with her outfit that one where

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like she's yeah yes yeah where she's a part of it so it was like because I want to say

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there was a moment there's like the way that the story progresses is she is assistant Anthony

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Perkins like discovers her because she's striking because Diana Ross is very striking and then

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he like tells her to come back almost or like calls her and then there's another shoot he's

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doing that then she's actually a part of and then she gets fired right and then the boss

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wearing her own fingers and then he just starts like taking pictures of her and like in the

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back of the store and and the boss is like what's going on you can't take pictures and

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then there's like a conflict of interest or something she in her mind and so she like

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hands her and then Anthony Perkins is just tells her like move to Rome you're my new

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muse yeah I shouldn't even say muse my new play thing like my new object my own new little

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like item is that too right that is so twisted is so twisted that is fundamentally a problem

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in this movie too is that I don't get the sense that he that she is really inspiring

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him it just seems like okay now she's in the mix for him right like okay now she's part

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of like stable of girls that he's calls on to model for whatever and I don't get a sense

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that he is really benefiting a lot from her being involved and then it's always so weird

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because like she's modeling but her real goal is to not be a model it's to be a fashion

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designer yeah and then they're in the meantime yeah right and it always like there's this

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weird thing that happens where she's trying to get her clothes into these shoots exposure

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Brandon I want exposure exposure and there's a part of me where I'm like yeah like no this

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is not what this is about Diana or Tracy or name in this it's like this is a shoot for

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mahogany mahogany for god it I could I was like dying laughing when one of the billboards

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she ends up becoming a part of she looks like fit in that was like so frustrating wet and

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like her hair is all fucked up that kind of I don't know this is maybe being too deep

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about it but that kind of like reminding me of like Barry Gordy's like directing style

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of like right I'm gonna subvert things and do it a little differently do it my own way

376
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,960
instead of like listening to the tried and true I don't know about this other guy who's

377
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,880
gonna be a director but this guy who's a director and listen to him about what a movie should

378
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,680
be I'm gonna do it myself and do it this kind of interesting cool way and then it comes

379
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,440
out like not as palatable as a movie because that was so frustrating and then like you

380
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,320
see that you see the other pictures or whatever and like all those are nice and she's her

381
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:23,880
hair is up and everything and the outfit is is not drenched in like shopping when she

382
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,600
looks happy and but can we talk about like we're just jumping around I'm fine with it

383
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,000
but can we talk about right before that happens is it was what they're doing is they were

384
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:39,180
just running in the middle of the road and she is jumping on random cars and taking pictures

385
00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:48,920
on top of them she's like an influencer so that is doing like a new a new new trend a

386
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:55,160
new a new viral craze Brandon I sound so old okay so that's actually an homage they're

387
00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:03,320
planking to a supreme's music video where they are cool walking in the streets and it

388
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,840
really looks like they're actually walking in there because there's even a part of the

389
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:13,240
music video where like a concern Britain I think and like what is a British police officer

390
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:22,240
can't be I don't remember a Bobby Bobby like it's like like getting trying to move them

391
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:26,560
out of the street and there's this music video where they're just like singing and like dancing

392
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,840
in the street in like a middle of a fucking in the city and they're like yeah it's like

393
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,760
you're not allowed to do that and so that was an homage to that but it's just it there's

394
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:45,480
a whole like photo montage of them like just gorilla photo shoots around the city and just

395
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:53,400
like it looks like just the most torrid love affair with a camera being being there like

396
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,920
it's it's like almost like voyeuristic and or something in his mind like why he enjoys

397
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:03,480
it like just why he's so fascinated with an area and then just how he takes pictures too

398
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:09,680
is just like so fat and then like he does it in moments when and I think that's a kind

399
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:15,440
of pretty great acting choice by him and I'm and maybe it's the directing too but it just

400
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,080
seems like an Anthony Perkins things where yeah in every scene even ones where he's probably

401
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,400
doesn't need to be taking pictures he's just like yeah and they're in the middle of a conversation

402
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,600
and he's still just like taking pictures all these weird candid ones to the point where

403
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:41,040
I mean it consumes him to his death it reminded me too of the awesome powers where he's taking

404
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:46,440
pictures and it's just like he's so like frenetic about it chaotic he's just like give it you

405
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:53,560
know like really like oh and it's to be about tiktok about it just no we need more I know

406
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,760
we'll do something crazy well I'll I'll take the video and you hold that you hold the steering

407
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:07,040
wheel but yeah there's that and I and I think my criticism to go back I think this is kind

408
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,040
of what you're touching on as well was like or maybe not but my one of my criticisms about

409
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:17,880
near this portion of the movie was so she's she's with Billy Dee they're both kind of

410
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:23,140
like individuals at this point in their lives they're doing their own thing they're trying

411
00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:28,040
to make this relationship work it seems like she's like compromised a little bit more in

412
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:33,000
sacrifice some of her goals it seems like to try to be there for him during this campaign

413
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:39,040
a little bit and then there's just this one night like this one night where like he's

414
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,560
asking her and you just don't know enough about it to know the context about how you

415
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:50,520
should really feel if you should be on someone's side or it or and how you should judge a situation

416
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,360
for yourself but it just kind of happens where she's like you can tell she's been working

417
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,960
for him for the day and then he's like oh you're gonna come to the dinner later and

418
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,720
she's like no I gotta work on this thing this I have like a show in a week or something

419
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:07,520
like that for for my for my own stuff I gotta work on and he's like oh I really want to

420
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,600
come visit and there's like this little tiff and then she's like you know what like fuck

421
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,600
you I'm going to Rome because Anthony Perkins like called like told her told me that like

422
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,120
I'm I'm welcome to just come out there or whatever and it just happened so quickly and

423
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:28,400
I and I have no way of knowing how to feel about it oh yeah and that's frustrating in

424
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:35,120
a storytelling perspective in a movie because I just I want to know how to feel and there's

425
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:41,480
other like moralistic things that happen later on that feel like they should be clear to

426
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:49,120
and that makes it even more gobbledygook and kind of gray area confusing when it veers

427
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:54,160
kind of near oh what you know we've done one Tyler Perry movie as well but like like some

428
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,840
of the morality stuff that happens later kind of reminded me of that anyway it totally oh

429
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,760
it totally does no and that's that's I'm glad yeah that's what I was getting at because

430
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:12,020
that's the crux of my issues with this movie because it is trying to be borderline feminist

431
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:20,240
in her her story her career being important because she's the fucking main like actor

432
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:25,040
she's the lead of this movie and it should be about her but since it seems like it's

433
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:31,800
just since it's also being told from Barry's I'm sorry Larry Geordie's perspective is

434
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:45,160
me is so inept at being able to like elegantly or just understand how to present the relationship

435
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:50,320
in like what you're saying like maybe providing more context as to why things are important

436
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:57,120
to each one so that there's more of this like it's more interesting as to why it somebody

437
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:02,640
not showing up to a thing is crucial or why it matters to the other person and it just

438
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,920
there's no build up to it at all it's like you're you know zero where there's like you

439
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:15,040
there's any ammunition absolutely right because they they aren't even really that together

440
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:20,320
and then like what you're saying is is then it kind of explodes like how dare you tell

441
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:26,480
me to not go live my dream and to and then Billy Dee though in the tech like actual text

442
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:33,240
is like what you're doing is not as important as my shit and he says that to her and then

443
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:39,120
so I'm like yeah I'm like oh fuck okay well fuck you Billy Dee like she should go do this

444
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,400
because again she's being provided an opportunity that's going to be great for her career she

445
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,240
should take that this isn't a very serious relationship which is then to your point and

446
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:53,720
to the and to the fault of this movie is like you did a bad job leading up to that point

447
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:59,480
because really it just seems like well they've hung out like a handful of times they slept

448
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,720
together once they but they've only hung out a handful of times so for you to then get

449
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:09,960
upset and to make somebody want it like for you to put that on somebody of like well you're

450
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,360
not doing this for me therefore like you don't respect me you don't love me and all of that

451
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:21,040
it's so undeserving because it's like well no she doesn't owe you really anything and

452
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,000
it's really fucking awful for you to say those things and to think that you're like like

453
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,400
what you're doing matters more than hers like this isn't that you're not at that point in

454
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,740
the relationship where you've put so much equity and stake into each other that now

455
00:48:34,740 --> 00:48:40,240
we're at a divergent point where okay now this is like I can't live without you and

456
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:44,680
I need to do this and I need and then the other person I need to do that and those are

457
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:51,480
like going opposite directions it's like no you just seem like honestly a toxic relationship

458
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,560
where in the first month you're hanging out with somebody you're like telling them what

459
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:01,520
they can and cannot do you know what I mean and that's in like that's that's okay if you

460
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,200
make it interest like I don't want a perfect relationship I don't I don't I don't I don't

461
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:11,360
want to watch like something that's perfectly you know they figured everything out but for

462
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:17,400
it for nothing to really be fleshed out it seems it's like touched on and then there's

463
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,680
like a minor blow up and then she's gone and then the movie shifts so hard into a different

464
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:28,560
gear in the room stuff and then it tries to come back to Billy Dee in little increments

465
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,760
which feel really rough and like rough because he's not having a good time we're not having

466
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:40,360
as well like you know the way it's partitioned out it doesn't feel the pacing doesn't feel

467
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,960
proper having this back and forth between Chicago and Rome which is a lot that's just

468
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:53,960
a lot to put together and in your movie but they are I mean and then and yeah like I he's

469
00:49:53,960 --> 00:50:00,360
doing a shitty thing and I want a follow-up more so because when she does go to Rome and

470
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:07,760
then when he ran he just shows up at her doorstep things kind of just continue on and then he

471
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:15,360
has he has the conflict with Anthony Perkins and then there's another conflict that gun

472
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,480
sequence which just isn't real yeah we definitely have to talk about that and then we also have

473
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:27,120
to talk about Diana Ross's freak out on him which also isn't fully earned either or it's

474
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:33,480
just such a quick shift so it's kind of like a big shift for her personality and character

475
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:40,160
in the latter half of the movie that's hard to be on board for as well continue to continue

476
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:45,120
to root for her but I'm yeah I am I am jumping kind of kind of all around you want to get

477
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:50,240
into like the the Rome stuff no I just want to say like it's so funny to hear your energy

478
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:55,280
about this because I feel very similarly that the way that the movie is structured what

479
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,560
it gives you like we're trying to make a meal out of something that isn't there like we're

480
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:06,240
trying to add color add to try to add purpose and it's just so difficult to talk about this

481
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:12,920
movie in like oh here let's hone in on this quality of the movie or this aspect of the

482
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,440
relationship being presented because it's not presented well at all so then it just

483
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:22,080
like it leaves you reeling a little bit like I can tell with you and I feel the same as

484
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:29,760
is like you're like ah I like I get what you're doing but you're not doing it and so now we're

485
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:37,280
talking about it and it's just like hard to be like have a good like a strong point of

486
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:44,640
view or say something like a like a real like critique about something because there's not

487
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:51,280
anything there that's like really has of substance that's worth talking about it's just so crazy

488
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:57,760
how some dramatic moments but they're the buildup isn't there for them to tell you I

489
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:04,080
want to earn it or it doesn't feel you don't feel the weight of it as much but the whole

490
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:11,880
the whole love affair with Anthony Perkins is pretty wild and I think I that I guess

491
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:18,160
that's where she is transforming into the like pat power career or like she she wants

492
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,880
the exposure and she wants she's starting to put herself out there more she put on one

493
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:30,480
of her own outfits for one of the fashion shows in which Anthony Perkins is a real dick

494
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:38,160
bag and everyone is kind of a flutter and then they're looking for a bid and he bids

495
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:43,200
a very low amount and then we get this other character in this movie which I another is

496
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,760
another part that I'm just kind of late game don't I don't really know how to feel about

497
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,960
him either especially the way that it ends with intense and intentions I don't know just

498
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:59,960
aren't revealed in a way that makes sense to me he just seems like a real Deus ex machina

499
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:07,400
or just this kind of thing that is needed for the plot to go in another direction but

500
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:15,520
he he loves it he loves her he you know he bets a lot and then he you know supports her

501
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:21,560
later on but we should talk about so Billy Dee and then Billy Dee shows up yeah so let's

502
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,640
talk about that shows up at the door and then things are things are kind of cool again because

503
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:31,400
she's on the quits with me because well and this is what's frustrating you said I mean

504
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,120
you said feminist and whatever whatever it is it is but I think what's frustrating with

505
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:41,200
me is there's just always a point in this movie where she's with a man all the way up

506
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:46,220
until the very end and she like needs a man to like front her and what and what she's

507
00:53:46,220 --> 00:53:52,240
doing as much as she says she wants to be on her own everything the movie and the in

508
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:57,360
the men around her are reminding her that she she can do it without them a lot in a

509
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:03,760
lot of senses and that was something that was it just is what it is about the movie

510
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,720
and I don't need a feminist message like you know shoved up my ass or anything like that

511
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:15,520
but it's just no it's just frustrating when this this guy this I have this is a frustrating

512
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,040
character for me this benefactor guys just kind of comes in out of nowhere and fronts

513
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:27,120
her and just is it makes it able for her to jump from Billy from Anthony Perkins front

514
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:33,520
to Billy Dee to him but we're on the Billy Dee I'm these are these are the hosts of men

515
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,440
that she's just hop skipping and jumping around she's pissing Anthony Perkins for doing the

516
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:48,600
low ball Billy Dee shows up and he's weirded out by European people I know it's it's it's

517
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,240
so I mean but would you would you eat max or potato salad pie or whatever that fuck

518
00:54:53,240 --> 00:55:00,600
that was out of some guy's hand I know right lady yeah this like trans person I think because

519
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:05,640
yeah yeah yeah I think because then Billy Dee makes the fucking gross ass comment about

520
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,440
like whoever you are I don't want to eat out of your hands thank you very much no right

521
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,600
that's what it's see that's the thing I know you took it a different direction I really

522
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:18,200
wish you just honed in on the right wouldn't that have been that's the weird thing here

523
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:23,160
that's the weird thing it's not the fact that that person is fabulous yeah or whatever it's

524
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:27,320
like no they're trying to like a random person is feeding you stuff that they grabbed with

525
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,560
their hands off a plate into your mouth it's like of course that's disgusting but no you're

526
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,880
focusing on the fact that it's like they're a finger sexual I'm sorry yeah and it's like

527
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:42,120
you yeah what he says he's like we need yeah I just wish this party had a name tag so I

528
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:48,680
can know oh yeah or whatever that was that was the weirdest conversation that made no

529
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,880
sense between him and Anthony Perkins because he's like I wish people have labels which

530
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:59,520
is yeah pretty you know and and then Anthony Perkins what is he's like wolf he's like oh

531
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,360
you know like at the morgue you know he's like well if you think we're all cadavers

532
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:08,720
here and he starts going to speak ill of the dead he starts doing all these like weird like

533
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:17,200
repartee and like double metaphors that don't actually fall add up it's good like what is

534
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:22,160
this dialogue this is so so strange on paper well first off I just want to talk about how

535
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:27,800
fucking toxic it is and this is and I've seen this happen for some people when like when

536
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:35,120
you're like in in you're visiting somebody in their element right which is not necessarily

537
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,240
your element right this is them thriving in their own space and that can be outside of

538
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:43,680
yours you know that's what how relationships should be though it's like you can be you

539
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,560
can be dominant you can be comfortable in your own spaces and then you know you come

540
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:53,000
together in your personal time whatever and that's your relationship but it's just so

541
00:56:53,000 --> 00:57:00,400
fucking toxic when he he flies to Rome and then makes a to do about like isn't it great

542
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,000
that I made this effort to get here and then the whole time just bitches and moans about

543
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,240
everything he's like I'm not used to this and this doesn't complain about the things

544
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:12,520
you should be complaining about we just talked about the finger potato pie whatever but then

545
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:18,520
he doesn't actually like talk about this fight that he has with with percolator right he

546
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:23,080
never brings it up because that's like a man thing right he's like I don't want to talk

547
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:28,320
about how this man got one over on me or is bugging me or whatever right but every which

548
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,600
way though he's like just like just overall feel uncomfortable and would rather not be

549
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,000
here he feels uncomfortable it's always like oh I'm not helping she's not on my side about

550
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:43,360
the like anything so exactly like I'm from the I'm from you know I'm from Chicago or

551
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:48,420
whatever yeah from Chicago and this is not how we do things and then it's just a series

552
00:57:48,420 --> 00:57:53,840
of them going out to dinner doing the clothing stuff just being around each other and he's

553
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:59,400
always just like this isn't my world I don't understand it you know this it's like it's

554
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:05,040
so and to the point too which is the like like kind of the crux of the toxicity of it

555
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:12,200
is like it then getting frustrated with her that she likes this like I don't like it and

556
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:17,560
now I'm frustrated that you don't feel the same way that I do and it's just insanely

557
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:24,760
fucking toxic and again like I can't like I this movie frustrates me so fucking much

558
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,080
because of how it ends to like we can continue to obviously talk about the movie but just

559
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:34,760
to like briefly like hone in on like talking about the scenes yeah but like what's so fucking

560
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:45,040
wrong with this movie is you know again how much he is he is willing to let Billy Dee

561
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:51,840
in her life and how every which way it comes off like he just wants her to do what he thinks

562
00:58:51,840 --> 00:59:00,680
is right he is only okay when he feels comfortable and then to for it to culminate and to end

563
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:05,560
the way that it does even though it's like the movie's telling you like oh this is wonderful

564
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:10,640
they're like you know that you're whatever your man's gonna come back to you yada yada

565
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:17,000
yada it's like oh but then is she just giving up on her dreams because that's what it's

566
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:23,040
ends up being like to me is like oh shit romantic aspect of this movie wasn't the whole through

567
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:28,520
line like I mean it was it was her as a person and what she wanted and she didn't just want

568
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:34,000
to be with a man you know I guess yeah to your point as well and what I was saying earlier

569
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,680
is just kind of frustrating where it's like she didn't need any three of those guys you

570
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:46,680
know and they they they each one of them had their place in her life at different times

571
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:52,880
but then right at the end yeah she she goes right back home is what she wants to do and

572
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:58,360
that's what his point to her in the beginning of their relationship was and in a way it

573
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:06,160
is kind of like satisfying what Billy Dee Williams character wanted for her the whole

574
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,960
time and saying yes that's what is right for her and what should happen is she should have

575
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:17,720
just stayed home the whole time and worked on the like activism and being in politics

576
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:25,640
because that's the only way to to get things done or whatever and Billy Dee Williams mind

577
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:32,040
but it is inconclusive as far as what her dream wants to be because she goes through

578
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:37,080
a fucking lot so so we get to this so we do this fight which is just one of the better

579
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:45,320
scenes simply I think because of the performances yeah for sure you could you know you can shoot

580
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:52,180
it in a number of ways and in a room and everything but when you have Anthony Perkins body language

581
01:00:52,180 --> 01:01:00,000
and and and fate what he does with his face and how he was handling a prop the gun and

582
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:06,480
then Billy Dee Williams physical strength and sort of reacting his ability to react

583
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,600
to what Perkins is putting out because like and I'm I'm making faces to just watching

584
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:17,480
the movie just kind of like oh this is oh yeah this is weird and this is gonna he just

585
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:25,800
brings him into a room full of guns and just starts what you know as you do as you do you

586
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:32,600
got her into a room full of his past models with one of them stabbed to shit and like

587
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,840
slaps and like slapped oh yeah darts and he like slapped her and then he said a funny

588
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,520
line about that too and I am not a ridden oh did you I wish I read it wrote it down

589
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:49,280
but something about like maturity like we grow just because you like grow older doesn't

590
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:56,920
mean you sure or something to that effect no you're only young once you can be immature

591
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:03,400
forever there it is bad a bang bad a boom there's a lot there's a lot I'll say some

592
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:09,000
I'm like whatever in my notes maybe later I have some some just like lines that were

593
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:19,440
dropped that are just that are interesting but this this scene is a has a buildup the

594
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:25,480
dialogue is executed well there's a chemistry between them two that is palpable in terms

595
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:36,280
of of of the contrast and how it ends with the gun not being loaded and the tension leading

596
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:43,680
up to that and the release and then the fallout is is handled well and one of the better better

597
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:50,040
sequences if not you know the best one of the better sequences of the movie you imagine

598
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,560
if the gun went off and Anthony Perkins died and Billy D killed him I was like I was on

599
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,440
the edge of my seat right because I got on that way too it totally could have gone that

600
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,240
way yeah it could have but man what a different movie this would have been if it was like

601
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,920
the back half of it was this whole like having to deal with a dead Billy D and we should

602
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:13,880
definitely talk about how he actually dies next because it does happen he does yeah but

603
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:20,720
yeah it could have been Billy D but yes and then he and he amscrased oh no we should talk

604
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:27,860
about the fight at least at least touch on because Diana Ross is on a good one and she's

605
01:03:27,860 --> 01:03:34,400
at the point I don't this movie the very rags to riches and I feel like my context for that

606
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:41,280
in a lot of ways is like a Scorsese movie is like a good fellas or or whatnot in terms

607
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:47,840
of rags to riches and this is kind of like okay he's like the the coked out power crazed

608
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:55,000
leotards you know whatever is pissed off or it's like that point in the movie where it's

609
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,960
they've gone too far and it's not gonna be fun anymore it's like the crescendo is hit

610
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:08,080
and now it's like darkness it's like the 80s once the 80s hit in oh and boogie nights and

611
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:13,840
boogie nights yeah yeah the New Year's yeah and William H Macy takes his takes his weight

612
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:21,200
leave yeah but it doesn't and that's and that's another criticism in the movies it doesn't

613
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:30,960
resonate her persona Billy Dee just leaves Anthony Perkins dies and then she's just got

614
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:36,880
to deal with the benefactor at which point she just was like fuck this I'm over right

615
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:41,840
that's how the movie goes and then like that's just that's just frustrating when she she

616
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:49,040
finds at that point in the movie later on the the strife and something to fight against

617
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:55,520
and the ability and resources to to do things at least in a at least in some capacity and

618
01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:03,680
you're just like now I want to go home which is like it's just it's undercut so much where

619
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:10,760
you're like oh it isn't so much about her learning something like needing to internalize

620
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:16,360
what's happening to then overcome it and be a different person it's just so plotting and

621
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:22,960
of like well I have to leave because of this situation you know what I mean it's not yeah

622
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:29,320
there's not a necessarily defeat defeatism yeah there's not a lot of internalization

623
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:34,760
or any character work it's just strictly plot it's like well Anthony Perkins is dead this

624
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:40,120
benefactor that whole thing too man I I'm trying to wrap my mind around that because it was

625
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:49,240
so weird about like big time you know him wanting her to fuck him but then like no I

626
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:54,560
don't know it was so confusing man because that just was not clear enough of like if

627
01:05:54,560 --> 01:06:00,240
he was nefarious or if he was if he was looking for something or if he just I guess he just

628
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:07,140
want to be sugar daddy but then even even then he's the one that that gets mad at her

629
01:06:07,140 --> 01:06:13,240
for being an asshole when it's it's like man what am I rooting for what am I rooting for

630
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,080
in this movie this this character that I don't give a fuck about just told them the main

631
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:24,400
character to stop being a fucking dick but okay so she finds ability he leaves and then

632
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:30,080
we got to do this this car wreck I almost want to share my screen and hear Anthony Perkins

633
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:38,000
scream one more time if I if I can bring it up but can you talk about how do you feel

634
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:46,600
about a photo shoot and on the highway to hell oh man what a shooting of that it's so

635
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:51,760
funny because it's obviously on a soundstage when they're in the car and yeah it's just

636
01:06:51,760 --> 01:07:02,720
it's it's so weird dude it's just a lot of uncomfortable shits going on where yeah this

637
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:07,200
guy's been the psychopath the whole time so it makes sense like this scene do you think

638
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:14,160
the scene works I in or in this movie or maybe in a different way like just in general definitely

639
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:19,160
definitely a different movie but also like a crazy sociopath photographer that is like

640
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:26,640
suicide suicidal and yeah like there's this there's some scenes in here that I feel like

641
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,440
Tarantino will be like well there's this movie called mahogany that you really you should

642
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:35,840
really check out and there's I just want and he takes notes from it I just want to say

643
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:42,240
that on your recommended there was a bit about how Trump has been indicted but they they

644
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:48,440
put asterisks on Trump like we don't know that that's gonna be oh yeah well this is

645
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:56,600
a little sneak peek into my youtube algorithm is occasionally I will throw on Colbert's

646
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:03,160
monologue is a nice little like snippet of news where he makes jokes and he has done

647
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:09,400
this thing I'm not sure how long it has been I think it's since he doesn't say Trump anymore

648
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:15,080
this is the former president ever since Trump has no longer been president Stephen Colbert

649
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:21,720
has not said his name really because he's only called him the former president and anytime

650
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:28,160
you see on youtube they also bleep out his name are you kidding me like they do hold

651
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:35,480
them more like isn't that it's such a such a stance it's such a stance and I it's also

652
01:08:35,480 --> 01:08:40,800
absolutely fun cause it also draws more attention to it in the way absolutely yeah because immediately

653
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:45,760
I was like I know exactly what that word is but it is like a former president like it

654
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:50,040
is kind of like a day but yeah whatever so anyways let's get back into big dog you wanna

655
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,040
go back to the big dog?

656
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:56,520
Dude I would love to get back to big dog now anybody listening can understand why we want

657
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:03,320
to start this off as big dog dog because this movie is fucking batshit crazy it is also

658
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:10,320
weird and kind of gross and it's like morals and oh okay speaking of which let's watch

659
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:18,440
this movie yeah all right this is a little commentary portion it's the soundstage yeah

660
01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:23,440
definitely the lighting is different on yeah because there's nothing really even clear

661
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:40,040
in the background it's just oh god oh now it's blue okay I gotta get it one more time

662
01:09:40,040 --> 01:10:03,720
one more time what was did the enemy final words?

663
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:10,600
Don't mess up the car!

664
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:17,760
Yeah and honestly this movie I'm sorry I don't think I like who has seen this movie yeah

665
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:22,600
in this movie but yeah who is again it's on YouTube if you ever want to check it out

666
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,080
if you ever want to check it out it's free but yeah what was happening there is they

667
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:31,440
were on a freeway and yeah leading up to that Anthony Perkins was trying to make a point

668
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:36,920
to her like really digging at her all the way of being like you're she's hung over

669
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:42,680
at a photo shoot is essentially right like you're he's like having yeah I don't know

670
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:48,960
kind of like just forcing the camera on her being like yeah this right isn't the vibe

671
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:59,040
of like you're I'm taking like you're better when you're like I don't know maybe you subscribe

672
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:05,680
and well no I was going a little too hard with the fairy snorty thing earlier about

673
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:12,000
the throwing her in the in the fountain but it is that sort of thing of like look at all

674
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:17,280
the these great pictures that I can take but oh anyone could take a great picture what

675
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,640
if I did it differently and threw in the fountain and did it that way and it's it's just that

676
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:28,340
sort of like yeah like anarchistic sort of like fuck it all let's try let's try something

677
01:11:28,340 --> 01:11:33,520
like the only way to make our is to make other things like make people I don't know like

678
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:39,480
and either involve the other people or make I was gonna say make people people suffer in

679
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:43,640
some way because that's essentially what's happening in this scene maybe not with every

680
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:50,040
everything that he's doing but he's just like intense and like bastardized Andy Warhol

681
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:55,320
sort of way I don't fucking know like trying to he's like has this whole persona to his

682
01:11:55,320 --> 01:12:01,920
life as well and he seems to have like his his parties and his his lifestyle about who

683
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:09,440
he is that is even bigger than photography and he's trying to like just put out a status

684
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:19,080
to the to the world and be like and be a god yeah right everybody is an object like an

685
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:25,040
object which is I mean that's from like the beginning of this movie right is that that

686
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:30,160
whole thing about the movies even called that which is just again it is just such a fucked

687
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:36,560
up sensibility of this movie like it isn't endearing and there isn't a payoff to her

688
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:43,000
to know where that comes right right like I said the movie is named mahogany which is

689
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:49,120
the name she's given by a white sociopath who gives all women object names and that's

690
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:54,680
like the other one was like crystal or something like that yeah could you for the sake of this

691
01:12:54,680 --> 01:13:01,180
conversation could you play a little bit of what he was really like about it like leading

692
01:13:01,180 --> 01:13:05,320
up to the them driving I just I like what do you what they were talking about before

693
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:11,040
yeah yeah sure I mean this is what's great about this movie is yeah it is on YouTube

694
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:18,960
we can we can pull it up and the commentary will be coming soon right there yeah it's

695
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,760
too far oh yeah this is the freak out in the fight and then she she's like oh I gotta do

696
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:28,440
this photo shoot I'm tired I don't want to do this please look I'm tired can't we finish

697
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:33,880
this without talking to something are you referring to this commercial or to our relationship

698
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:40,800
darling Sean please move over I'm coming in Sean move over I'm coming in he takes the

699
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:47,560
driver's seat when she's already in it that already I was like why don't you just get

700
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:57,440
in the passenger seat he's gotta be in it's cool seeing the the car with like I love how

701
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:01,520
there's the camera crew in the movie right there I yeah I was gonna say I like seeing

702
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:06,000
that I like seeing their little setup in the back of that truck the light on top that little

703
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:12,120
like setup where you can climb up and be the light guy well it's like this Italian pickup

704
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:16,000
truck this morning I suppose you're doing it on purpose doing what on it's cool it's

705
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:21,040
in it'll fucking Italy can we do this some other time I'll do it today you'd like to

706
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:25,800
shop very rarely you'd like to go away with what's his name wouldn't you wouldn't you

707
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:37,840
wouldn't you I love him like that I don't care he's like you look awful perfect let's

708
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,680
take pictures let's come on your paycheck you have your eyes check I think flashcards

709
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:53,680
are really ruining your eyes Sean the car is moving so what the car is moving I'm doing

710
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,880
the driving I'm taking the pictures okay you frightened I'm not but then I'm taking the

711
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:08,600
pictures are you crazy okay okay really it's almost like I mean the build up to this is

712
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:14,960
this is iron for his characters well because he is like upset at the end that like he doesn't

713
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:21,040
want the card to be doing that at the end he's not resigned which is kind of when you think

714
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:26,960
about it a little confusing and a little frustrating too and how it plays out where it's like in

715
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:37,240
this moment his character feels suicidal resigned to a chaotic he's a chaotic energy and or

716
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:42,560
maybe it's just indifferent whether he lives or dies almost is what I kind of read out

717
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:47,480
of this or where he's taking the car but when the car finally makes its final plunge he's

718
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:53,100
like I don't think it's like I don't know he maybe or maybe he just thinks he's invincible

719
01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:58,880
I'm just it's hard to get a read on what and why things are happening but this is in a

720
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:05,700
way a cool scene and then you see the the black and white pictures of her freaking out

721
01:16:05,700 --> 01:16:11,560
later and it's like that is an interesting effect and I'm sure if he was alive today

722
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:21,240
he would love those pictures he would love him he would love him and then she goes I

723
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:28,720
shouldn't be laughing but just like this movie some of the beats just I was referring I don't

724
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:34,560
know even like the lady who sings the blues you just just think of like walk hard some

725
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:38,560
in that movie or just like these kind of stereotypical almost like Hallmark beats and this is like

726
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,800
the Hallmark movie beats and this is the part that reminds me of almost like a Tyler Perry

727
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:51,000
movie where she and it doesn't read properly as well because like she's such an asshole

728
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,360
it seems like to Billy Dee Williams that in a way the movie's telling you and somehow

729
01:16:54,360 --> 01:17:03,400
she's like earned this for what she did to Billy but then she rehabilitates herself through

730
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:12,000
through the care of her benefactor and Carlotta or whatever the other lady's name is and then

731
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:20,320
she just continues to be a fucking asshole and she's learned nothing and had no bearing

732
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:26,440
on on that at all and it's like if you're gonna go a stereotypical route which I thought

733
01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:29,200
you were going it was just confusing when it's like oh they're not going that direction

734
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,680
oh she's just gonna continue to be a jerk and then the Italian guy is gonna be like

735
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:38,000
hey come on you can't berate the workers he's like well she's like well I'm paying him he's

736
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:48,000
like honey I'm paying him I'm paying them and she's like I'm going home right and then

737
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,880
she just interrupts Billy's speech and says I want my man essentially right I want my

738
01:17:52,880 --> 01:18:02,560
old man and then cue the music and he's running for Congress I think at that point or some

739
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:13,000
type of political scene and derails his speech pretending to be like just a yeah yeah but

740
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:20,520
it's it doesn't play out quite how I think they it is gonna play out but it it does and

741
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:25,080
it hits a lot of the stereotypical beats and then it has some other scenes strewn throughout

742
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:33,640
that are like edgy and interesting like the gun scene like the the car scene and even

743
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:41,320
like the opening dream sequence how it looks is interesting and it's trying to oh and the

744
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,600
montage as well as gonna say the montage with all the music and in Rome have been doing

745
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:51,480
all the photo shoots and all the still images mixed with music and it was like an I don't

746
01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:58,720
know early music video or something like that of just kind of like celebrating Diana Ross

747
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:03,880
and how and and just doing this whole vibe like it's it was he's a producer he sets

748
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:08,860
a vibe and they're trying to set a vibe with the movie and there were moments where that

749
01:19:08,860 --> 01:19:15,880
came through properly and other moments where it was not reading as as they as they think

750
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:22,000
I'm gonna read a couple notes before we move on I turned your trumpet into a horn of plenty

751
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:28,920
by putting the milk in the megaphone megaphone bed so funny right feels like first takes

752
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,840
is what I put like it wasn't rehearsed a lot like some of the scenes felt like they were

753
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:39,600
just like yeah that works let's move on oh yeah the telescope photo shoot deep breath

754
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:48,600
arch your back show us your tits and say shit $100 changed the air hockey scene I thought

755
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:56,560
sounded rough to me and I just put that there the close-up on 7-up first against thirst

756
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:03,840
did you see these close-ups oh the scene started and it was just a close-up like full frame

757
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:09,880
of 7-up the first against thirst and then would zoom out to them walking down the room

758
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:15,200
I was like why are we starting here it was such weird decision-making of like let's do

759
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:20,320
something cool and weird and different yeah right yeah and then like the close-up on the

760
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:24,700
trash at the end too like where they're walking down the street and you know he's talking

761
01:20:24,700 --> 01:20:29,320
about how he's got to fix up the city and stuff and and it's like I think some of that

762
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:34,640
is interesting when like Billy Dee's whole whole whole stick and spiel about uh what

763
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:39,240
he's trying to do is and and their conversations about that I think are some of the better

764
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:44,380
dialogue but at the end of this once it might have been the end of the same scene it goes

765
01:20:44,380 --> 01:20:51,800
to a close-up of trash like yeah you remember that one like they walk by it might be the

766
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:55,800
same scene at the end of the scene they walk away and then it stops they walk away and

767
01:20:55,800 --> 01:21:03,520
then it stops and just looks at the trash isn't is in Chicago just stealthy that's gonna

768
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:08,280
clean it up I spent like a I spent like an hour putting that together you gotta you gotta

769
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:13,720
show the trash um the Rome's like a rich old lady she covers her wrinkles up with things

770
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:21,400
that shine do you know how do you want to know how to or do you know how to shine these

771
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:31,200
are things these are things that um Perkins is straight that's what I said uh he's hetero

772
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:37,640
okay you don't make it here you end up here and talking about uh Chicago I think when

773
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:43,120
she's trying to show her designs to Bruce Vlanch and other people uh yeah Bruce Vlanch

774
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:49,600
just a shout out Blanche uh lunches in this movie people stop that sign get out and vote

775
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:55,600
for Brian get a little Diana Ross uh singing and that that part would have been nice to

776
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,280
hear a little bit more maybe she want to be a singer or something that could have been

777
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:05,940
cool it's okay um good politics is like good sex something about like it's if you're only

778
01:22:05,940 --> 01:22:10,000
out for yourself it's not going to be great whatever I don't know it was such a stretch

779
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:16,240
um oh yeah Perkins looking at the reflection in like the lamp that was that was a good

780
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:24,000
acting moment uh let's see haphazard shots of room yeah you're only young once you may

781
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:34,400
mature forever uh all my creations are the name of inanimate objects and he calls like

782
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:43,000
them it uh not many volumes on the bookshelf oh god okay that was that was rough when they're

783
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:48,320
talking about about Diana Ross and the modeling uh casting agency and then Carlotta gets up

784
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:56,000
and it's like hmm I'll take her yeah actually I'm the owner yeah and I'll take you got you

785
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:06,840
a woman in a management position uh what are you looking at the gleam of mahogany oh god

786
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:17,960
um exposure slat oh when he pulls off her outfit that was that was intense uh you old

787
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:29,240
bitch yeah he just calls someone an old bitch old bitch yeah uh one of the guys is like

788
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:33,680
saying like beauty is in the he's like beauty in the eyes someone tells him beauty is in

789
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:37,600
the eye of the beholder I think the benefactor he's like you'd be surprised it's the same

790
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:43,240
for being rich is also in the eye of the polder and I'm like you guys are trying so hard to

791
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:50,880
be so deep right now um yeah Billy Billy uh Billy's back turtlenecks eat from finger yep

792
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:55,160
that's everything labels cadaverous what the fuck yeah mm-hmm thank those are my notes

793
01:23:55,160 --> 01:24:03,640
uh let's see what the other people have to say just real quick my notes is I have

794
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:12,800
down this movie is making me go insane already um I it is it is fucked up what Billy Dee

795
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:19,440
does with the payment through the door window do you remember that where she pays for him

796
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:23,200
to get out because she feels bad by putting the milk in the megaphone which causes him

797
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:28,520
to fight people and then he gets put in jail and then to pay her back he brings up a big

798
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:34,080
bag of change and then puts it in the door slot and she opens it and then she has to

799
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:41,920
go on a date with her after that no no fuck you um and then yeah I was that I just I so

800
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:48,560
much of my notes was about the telescope stuff a lot of like what are we what the fuck are

801
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:55,840
we watching this last girl and the photo shoot is off the rails yeah yeah just like wow what

802
01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:00,720
is going on um I did I did write yeah that Diana Ross dancing around the apartment is

803
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:05,520
really the best moment so far and ended up being really the best moment in my opinion

804
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:14,800
um yeah I just it's also I yeah it was funny to me that so much of the like wow this clothing

805
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:23,560
is so like hip and trendy is all like this same like sheer big like draped it's like

806
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:30,560
people are wearing drapes and that was the that was so cheap Asian influenced an Asian

807
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:35,960
influence where I'm like like the one the thing she wore that was she wasn't supposed

808
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:40,400
to wear with like the dragon on it and then she had her hair up in a way yeah and then

809
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:45,560
the kabuki finale at the beginning this is like Japanese I guess that yeah like that

810
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:55,000
dragon dress was and it was an interesting choice yeah oh also to the I was like why

811
01:25:55,000 --> 01:26:00,400
she was into that or I don't know yeah like why oh no great no that is an amazing point

812
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:06,080
James of like why is she interested in Asian influence and how does that Asian influence

813
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:12,360
have anything to do with uh haute couture in Rome like or yes fundamentally like her

814
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:19,280
inspiration why her big why is it a kabuki ending what about her life was like oh yeah

815
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:24,280
I want to do kabuki theater they foreshadowed it as and then didn't pay it off in any way

816
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:31,240
I was like we're leading to this kabuki finale so get ready dude totally and one last thing

817
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:39,560
is the lira to USD conversion in 75 because they they were like I you know I always get

818
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:48,040
so fixed on like they were talking about in the millions of lira uh we're like how much

819
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:54,760
the garments were going for whatever honestly not that expensive like I the conversion rate

820
01:26:54,760 --> 01:27:03,520
in 1975 from USD to lira was like I want to see was like around 750 750 lira to a dollar

821
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:13,040
so honestly not that much surprisingly you know so it's one of those things are like

822
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:19,960
well okay well I mean you're telling me that the wealthy elite of Rome are buying garments

823
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:26,120
that are like I don't know yeah 700 bucks thousand dollars it's an interesting way to

824
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,640
yeah like a fashion show where it's also an auction I thought that was interesting as

825
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:35,720
well that is like a catwalk and then the person just keeps on walking right you get that one

826
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:41,560
eye you get that one dress uh-huh an interesting thing and then he just like brought it out

827
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:46,800
to him later like all right here you go yeah I don't think they do that anymore because

828
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:54,960
I watch fashion shows here and there and it is never like here is Balenciaga's summer

829
01:27:54,960 --> 01:28:00,080
23 show and then people are like I'll pay someone just takes it off and just gives it

830
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:07,280
to him right there yeah I don't know that doesn't really happen anymore but yeah let's

831
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:15,000
yeah I'm excited let's see uh what the the icy cold 30% critics uh let's find a few little

832
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:23,040
tidbits from what they uh they have to say here um let's do a little tidbit from the

833
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:30,840
man himself sir roger ebert um he says you give it a two out of four mahogany is a big

834
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:36,240
lush messy soap opera so ambivalent about its heroin heroin that we can't even be sure

835
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:45,040
the ending supposed to be happy it's just a little bit right yeah uh let's see what

836
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:51,320
else we got here from uh slant magazine a two out of four from dan callahan even a charming

837
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:56,520
last minute happy ending can't quite redeem all the mess and undi unidentified dread

838
01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:07,520
let's see from rita a goldberger from the lesbian tide uh ross's strong witty determined

839
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,400
character is so real that her sudden about face in the last few minutes does not ring

840
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:16,280
true it's as if the director or writer couldn't stand the thought of her being rich successful

841
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:33,560
and happy we've been saying fucked up um it's fine maybe one more um there's some like not

842
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:39,280
not a lot not surprisingly it's hard to even find this movie uh but let's and these are

843
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:47,800
going to be some maybe obscure ones but let's let's see um oh this one's funny bernard

844
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:53,160
drew from gannett news service mahogany is directed by barry gordy of motown he should

845
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:54,640
have a big career in records

846
01:29:54,640 --> 01:30:04,320
you should uh from jacob atlas from los angeles free press diana ross who proved she could

847
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:11,400
act with lady sings the blues struggles valiantly to create a character and sustain mood um

848
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:19,640
let's move on to some audience feels about everything and more of the positive sense

849
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:29,520
of the word a 76 percent um from louis louis b a four and a half stars high camp as ross

850
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:36,720
sizzles on the silver screen yeah that was like a perfect like a little tidbit oh i'd

851
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:44,280
put that on the box um uh this is anonymous person five stars honestly mahogany is truly

852
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:48,800
a nice change from the traditional black exploitation of the 70s with a strong cast and a fairy

853
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:54,480
tale plot i would suggest this film to anyone that is interesting to think about because

854
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:57,800
i mean we are not at all do do we talk about it because i just don't think both of us are

855
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:02,320
really familiar with black exploitation i mean god the 70s film in general is yeah you know

856
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:08,240
not something i'm super familiar with and like the cont contextual elements surrounding

857
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:15,800
this movie but what that means we maybe are due for a series or i would love to i would

858
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:23,600
love to really end up in the 70s and please what is luna uh you may hear uh kitty cat

859
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:31,080
screaming in the back she's looking at she looks at me and yells oh it's a big yawn big

860
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:38,560
yawn what i know i'm gonna feed you dinner once i'm done hey bruh you're you're fucking

861
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:46,720
late and we'll do another uh anonymous these are some actual from rotten tomatoes i have

862
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:51,920
some reviews left on the site itself five stars theme from mahogany i felt was a wonderful

863
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:55,600
movie there was so many meanings involved all in one first off anything can happen at

864
01:31:55,600 --> 01:32:06,680
any minute one day a poor woman was working in the us as a dress designer in the next

865
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,680
minute she's a star fashion designer in rome the most important meaning of the movie was

866
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:14,760
yet as successful as she was she had no one to share it with as stated in the movie and

867
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:19,560
billy does say that in the end she chose her old life gave up everything to being a star

868
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:23,840
to go back with the one she loved the song mahogany do you know where you're going to

869
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:29,080
do you like the things that life is showing you where you're going to do you know do you

870
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:33,520
get what you're hoping for when you look behind you there's no open doors what you're hoping

871
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:39,580
for do you know this song represents my life in all stages the words have and always will

872
01:32:39,580 --> 01:32:45,560
touch me unless you truly know what you want you will always wonder do you know where you

873
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:53,520
are going to i love that so much that somebody who like has the passion within them to want

874
01:32:53,520 --> 01:33:01,920
to talk about critically these things but does not have the vocabulary i just my heart

875
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,440
goes out to them like i love that because yeah it seems like their hearts in the right

876
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:14,720
place but to just talk about themes um yeah motifs a whole list of things that you would

877
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:23,320
use as a word to reference what's going on in the movie as just meanings is just let's

878
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:30,680
do a one or one or two more uh another five stars a name this his hands down one of the

879
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:37,040
best movies i've ever seen whenever someone even mentions the name diana ross this movie

880
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:41,800
and all it stands for come to mind the story the acting and the dialogue are so real you

881
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:46,360
get sucked right into the characters lives the costumes and soundtrack are sensational

882
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:54,400
as well i must see movie from that era um and then one more or maybe oh there's this

883
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:58,800
other one that says any true fashionista should watch this movie just so you know and then

884
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:03,860
the last one one of the best five stars one of the best movies ever so very classic intelligent

885
01:34:03,860 --> 01:34:09,800
and realistic dialogue gorgeous sweeping cinematography outstanding performances all around i cannot

886
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:15,600
applaud this movie or recommend it enough it's hard to get beat like you're saying like

887
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:24,320
the the person who took the time to write out the lyrics to the theme song that person

888
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:30,680
has made the movie almost like their personality and i know i've done that i like dinosaurs

889
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:35,320
for a long time because jurassic park told me to and that's the power of film ladies

890
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:42,080
and gentlemen uh let's kick off our own uh around around let's throw our own tomatoes

891
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:48,880
around here it's tomato throwing time we throw a new tomatoes we don't know a name for segments

892
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:56,640
um to you brandon do you want to start us off yeah give us a scribe a numerical value

893
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:04,120
to this piece of art but before i do i know this is terrible because this is a a uh an

894
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:11,280
audio medium but can we just can we just take a look at let me take a zoom in let me zoom

895
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:20,720
in here look at anthony perkins on look at this do you see this is this poster look at

896
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:28,320
his whoa that looks like a scene from when he's on the the director's chair and they're

897
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:35,760
kind of like the crane or whatever and he's like chewing gum like a maniac because his

898
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:41,160
mouth is a gape he's got a camera in his hand and he's yelling it could be it could be in

899
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:46,520
the car but i do love the whole there's a there's a dress that she's wearing that has

900
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:52,480
uh like a pretty pretty coloring and mahogany written on it and then this poster it looks

901
01:35:52,480 --> 01:36:01,760
like it is in french as well yeah i just that's so funny that he the picture that they drew

902
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:07,600
essentially is him gape looking like he's yelling that that's everybody else is like

903
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:15,560
cool and like kind of stoic on it and he's just like oh you're an object you're an object

904
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:23,800
i shall call you mahogany mahogany that's what i call all women i will put your picture

905
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:30,120
on my wall yeah and it's your dirt in it because i don't like you anymore uh mother wouldn't

906
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:35,320
like you and mother wouldn't like you yeah i could slap that fly i could do it i could

907
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:40,600
do it i thought she was not too it's oh it's so funny to think about how much of a psycho

908
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:47,640
he is yeah they really was like huh this character is or maybe it wasn't a psycho before he came

909
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:55,800
in i know right now it's like super toned down and nuanced and he just comes in he's

910
01:36:55,800 --> 01:37:01,640
like i'm gonna do he stole the show the performances in this in this movie i was i was clinging

911
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:08,720
on to out of everything else well do you want to go first sure i mean that's i mean to to

912
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:13,760
write off that like that's that's my big big positive is is the performances and the chemistry

913
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:20,920
between diana ross and and and billy d uh and seeing him in a movie that's not star

914
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:27,160
wars was really fun too seeing diana ross perform in a movie uh and and her her presence

915
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:34,760
is is really interesting and uh i think she's fascinating on camera in a way that's not

916
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:42,360
too showy uh but kind of like for lack of a better word quirky like she's got some like

917
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:49,720
quirky body language about about stuff and uh when she like does oh man see now mixing

918
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:54,600
up like since we watched lady sings lady sings the blues as well but when and just her performance

919
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:58,080
in general when she does like when she does her dancing and everything it's it's it's

920
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:04,880
cute and endearing and when she does the song for um for him about you know voting for him

921
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:12,160
and people stop sign go out and vote for brian uh is like a natural charisma that a lot of

922
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:17,160
yeah that was good casting in this in this movie the present the the production makes

923
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:22,280
sense why it was that way after the lady sings with blues anthony perkins i thought was a

924
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:28,440
great like a fucking choice choice pick for for that character and it made me happy to

925
01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:33,800
to see him outside of psycho i don't think i've seen him in a movie outside of psycho

926
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:38,040
and he is electrifying and he was stealing the show and but the gun scene was one of

927
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:43,600
the better better scenes and even the car scene as well like if i saw that out of context

928
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:49,880
i'm like what is this what is this movie aside from the director car apart from that you

929
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:54,640
know it's yeah actually i'd still be curious but it's it's just those are tense thrilling

930
01:38:54,640 --> 01:39:01,520
kind of moments in the in this movie uh but i don't know if it's trying to be too much

931
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:08,440
uh and and accomplish so so much with all these narratives between the characters the

932
01:39:08,440 --> 01:39:14,880
the splicing between chicago and rome was one of my least favorite parts of the movie

933
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:18,960
i thought like right when that happened the the i was at like the 40 minute mark is when

934
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:26,080
things splintered and she leaves i felt lost in a way as an audience member of like this

935
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:30,600
feels like a brand new fucking movie now like her going to rome and then 10 minutes went

936
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,880
by and then they went back to billy d for like a few minutes and then went back i just

937
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:38,760
don't even care about billy d williams anymore like let her live her life and do what she

938
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:42,980
wants to do but then he came back and then and these men she kept on kind of juggling

939
01:39:42,980 --> 01:39:49,560
between the men and it wasn't satisfying in that sort of way and then if you are going

940
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:54,600
to do the thing of like the destructive rags to riches i score a cc i know it's the 70s

941
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:59,400
70s and of course he hasn't made 10 of those yet but in that sort of way where i mean there's

942
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:03,320
other ones like that i don't like fucking butch cassidy or some shit i don't know something

943
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:08,680
like a movie where someone has to deal with being a fucking asshole or doing wrong things

944
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:12,720
and having their come up and and she doesn't really get that either and it's just like

945
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:17,600
the most bland boring way to end the movie now that i'm like really resonating with it

946
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:26,240
and talking about it this whole time of uh going back home and and going to be with billy

947
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:35,400
d williams and that is done in a presentational showy sort of way that doesn't get into the

948
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:39,880
issues which is all my criticisms with their whole relationship throughout the movie is

949
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:44,000
when they should dig in and flesh out the things that really matter they do it and and

950
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:47,880
yeah like she just shows up and says a silly thing to him out of speech and then just wraps

951
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:54,640
up and be like okay they're going to be happy now but it the the what that actually alludes

952
01:40:54,640 --> 01:41:00,400
to and what would actually occur uh i'm more curious about rather than just that simple

953
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:06,120
action and i think that's that's something that it's not helping me out as an audience

954
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:15,320
member it's trying to just have me assume things away when i'm interested in the journey

955
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:20,240
and in getting there and uh yeah and those elements of the journey are the character

956
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:26,320
beats um and the performances and some of the weirder things like uh and reading even

957
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,560
that review from the from i believe one of the even one of the critics of talking about

958
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:36,800
the camp of this movie i think i think perkins adds adds a lot to that uh and just just being

959
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:41,360
in europe is kind of cool like being in a rome i wish it was shot better you know like

960
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:46,700
i think we talked about this uh yesterday we were after watching of like yeah those

961
01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:51,920
just are shot very well it looks like someone just threw a camera in a car and just rolled

962
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:57,400
down the window and it's all i get that she's in a car as well and it's trying to do the

963
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:02,800
pov but still it just seems like rushed and it's like trying to be like hey look we're

964
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:09,520
in italy now look at all this stuff i'm like well we can't really uh it's oh man it's kind

965
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:15,860
of tough to give it a a fucking score though i have to say um i'm trying to think like

966
01:42:15,860 --> 01:42:20,940
if i would recommend it or watch it again even and i think it comes a little short on

967
01:42:20,940 --> 01:42:29,960
both fronts um i would rather watch lady sings the blues but even that is like a long biopic

968
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:36,280
that was like really dramatic uh so i might yeah just but seeing her at least seeing was

969
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:42,240
was more enjoyable um but going through the process of watching the whole thing and you

970
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:46,480
know having a hard time to find it on youtube or i guess it's not hard to find it's just

971
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:52,080
uh it's free on youtube but it's just the full edition isn't there so it's a little

972
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:56,600
thing that's going to get lost of time that we took took our time to to watch and check

973
01:42:56,600 --> 01:43:01,400
out and i'm glad for that i'm glad i've watched it and checked it out it's giving me me more

974
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:07,840
context about barry gordy if that's what you're interested in beyond that um i i just think

975
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,920
there's better stuff out there but it's it's not awful and there's some really good scenes

976
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:20,240
and good performances so i'm thinking like a 40 50 range um it could veer on a 60 but

977
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:32,200
i just i don't know if it's like fresh fresh i'll do like a 55 255 55 honestly man that's

978
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:37,800
not it's not bad five five what or what this is because i think that just goes to show

979
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:43,080
you these performances are there's so much yeah they're striking they're memorable at

980
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:48,600
uh at its peak of this movie but yeah for me this movie is so poorly made it's so like

981
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:56,000
unintelligible in a lot of ways the relationships are what they stand for what the purpose of

982
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:03,960
them is just so like leaves such a bad taste in my mouth i just the time that i was enjoying

983
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:10,880
this movie was just as a as zoomed out being like isn't this weird that this is happening

984
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:16,720
right relishing relishing in those moments of like whoa this is crazy that this is happening

985
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:23,160
but never was i on like in the pocket in the movie ever and this movie just was such a

986
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:31,400
slog at times because yeah i mean um maybe it has to do with the youtube again i don't

987
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:36,600
want to give i don't want that to affect my shit because it is what it is right like this

988
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:42,160
bad sound mixing regardless of youtube i feel like yeah for sure and i mean but you watch

989
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:47,520
lady sings of blues on youtube as well yeah right and that was better um that was better

990
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:53,480
made me yeah for me man i just i can't really recommend this at all unless and the thing

991
01:44:53,480 --> 01:44:58,000
is is like the only time you would recommend this is if you really are a huge supreme and

992
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:03,640
dino ross fan hey perkins isn't that percolator go check that out right or if you're a big

993
01:45:03,640 --> 01:45:10,280
psycho fan but i never have met a person that's really like that and that's uh like i don't

994
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:13,560
know for better or for worse i guess that's kind of a bummer because those are you know

995
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:17,400
the supremes are in one of the yeah one of the greatest bands of all time like i don't

996
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:22,360
know so yeah like if you haven't seen this and you like the supremes definitely check

997
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:28,400
it out but man isn't a shitty movie and um but i'll give it a little bit of credit that

998
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:35,240
the performances were good um but i mean god this is not a good movie um so i'm gonna go

999
01:45:35,240 --> 01:45:42,240
for me this is a 42 i'm feeling a 42 that feels good light light for yeah light for

1000
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:49,800
for me on this one all right tantana yeah um yeah that's where i'm i'm sitting here

1001
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:56,160
because it is um yeah it's not not good well yeah we're uh we're on there the same kind

1002
01:45:56,160 --> 01:46:04,800
of temperature gauge of of rotten tomato and uh this was a movie from the 70s that we got

1003
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:11,420
to do again i'm so happy that we found one and i i will uh try to find do my due diligence

1004
01:46:11,420 --> 01:46:15,920
and see if there's something that could be representative of older movies that are polarizing

1005
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:19,240
and and i've mentioned this in the past but maybe not even according to rotten tomatoes

1006
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:27,640
maybe we start going out on the limb on some that are um polarizing in the moment that

1007
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:34,000
they come out and then become cult classics and then become uh you know just mega hits

1008
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:38,600
like i've mentioned the thing in the past is is one that's kind of done that big turnaround

1009
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:44,880
of not being very successful to you know just commonplace what are the better movies sorry

1010
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:51,160
movies yeah like no i don't yeah it fucking rips so hard yeah but for this next one we

1011
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:58,600
are only moving up a few years and it is another movie from the 70s and it is another uh snary

1012
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:10,960
40 uh production in in so many ways and it has all the people uh surrounding one very

1013
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:17,840
nope sherry sherry lordy i like snurdy for some reason that's not even close the whiz

1014
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:24,520
we're doing the whiz from 1978 it's got a 41 from critics it has a 65 from audiences

1015
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:31,440
uh i'll read the info that it has on rotten tomatoes let's see here when harlem school

1016
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:36,800
teacher dorothy played by diana ross tries to save her dog from a storm she's miraculously

1017
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:41,640
whisked i mean we know what this is whisked away to an urban fantasy land called os after

1018
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:45,120
accidentally killing the wicked witch of the east upon her arrival dorothy is told about

1019
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:50,820
the whiz richard prior a wizard who can help her get back to manhattan as dorothy goes

1020
01:47:50,820 --> 01:47:54,700
in search of the whiz she's joined by the scarecrow michael jackson the tin man nipsey

1021
01:47:54,700 --> 01:48:02,520
russell and the cowardly lion ted ross rated g directed by sydney lumet writer joel schumacher

1022
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crazy crazy uh we will be talking about the whiz next time we hope you have enjoyed your

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1024
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1026
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