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Welcome to the podcast, you sickos.

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We're back.

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Welcome to the Polarize Podcast.

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This is a podcast about polarizing movies, polarizing in the sense of Rotten Tomatoes

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scores.

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We talk about movies here that have scores.

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Critics love it.

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Audiences hate it or vice versa.

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Those are the movies that we talk about.

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You know, if you're returning, glad to have you back.

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If you're jumping in on this, I'm sure you're sick fuck if you're coming in on this movie.

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But you know what?

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We're glad to have you regardless.

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Today we're talking about the movie Revenge, that sick movie for those sick fucks.

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That's what it's that's what we're talking about.

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It's 2017 French art film.

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Critics love it.

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This is a spicy certified fresh 93% and a stinky 58% audience score.

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Yeah.

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So this is and this is also going to conclude our revenge series.

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It is not just only me talking though.

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And I want to get into the discussion because this movie is definitely worth talking about.

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I would like to now introduce my co-host and also we'd like to call him our forever guest,

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Mr. James Lindsay.

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How's it going?

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Let's get it twisted.

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What's up everybody?

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I'm back.

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Twisted.

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Oh my god.

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Oh my god.

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James got twisted.

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He's losing it.

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He's yeah.

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Oh no.

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He's going down.

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I got I think it's there's blood.

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Oh my god.

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There's blood everywhere.

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Oh yes.

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Now close up on it.

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Slow mo.

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Oh no.

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You're going to look at it.

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Oh no.

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You're going to look at it.

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You're going to look at it closer.

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Closer and faster.

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Look at it.

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You sicko.

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You like this.

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This is what you like.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You love it.

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So James, I would have to say this might be this might be the most like gory movie we've

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I was trying to think of a movie that we've done in the past that would be the last one

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we just did.

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It's like the next next closest.

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The next closest for sure.

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But weirdly, it's not as the gore in that is so like American action movie that did

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not phase me almost as much.

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And what it like alludes to rather than necessarily shows.

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Because like it's also the like yes, the sentiment or the purpose of it is just like, you know,

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he's a you know, he yeah, he's a psycho and he's you know, I don't know.

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It has this kind of now having seen this has a softness to it.

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That is weird.

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Weird to say it's like, yeah, you know, another one I was thinking of is we did.

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I'm sensor, right?

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Sensor maybe.

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That's upsetting stuff.

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That was another one that was like what it was alluding to and just like upsetting imagery

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and editing at certain points.

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I feel like that was a good.

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That's a good amount of our stuff.

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And like even like The Witch, a perfect film for me.

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It's like, yeah, me too.

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Doesn't even have really much to show besides just really like terror and dread.

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But this one I've I don't know if I've seen so much blood.

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I was shocked.

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Maybe I'm a prude.

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Well, this is a French movie, so we don't do a lot of like European movies.

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And this is very European.

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That was exciting for me.

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I was like, oh, cool.

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We've done a lot of firsts.

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We did a whole series.

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We did our little mini trip to Italy and Greece and as well.

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But you know, that's from the POV of two very British men.

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So there was nothing about that content was terribly European, but they were in Europe.

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So I agree that that might be the closest.

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And then they're not even in Europe.

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And this one, they're actually in America in the States.

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Funny how that works.

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Funny how that works.

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But it's nothing better than like European commentary on American culture in a way.

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It's it's I think it's interesting to me.

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It's fun to watch a movie like that and so much.

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It's just it's just called Revenge.

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It just it's it's the it's the perfect movie for us to do on our little revenge spree.

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A really solid button to the end of this revenge series.

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This is on.

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A lot of butt shots.

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This which man again, it's just it's it was so noticeably different in its sensibilities

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towards sex, towards violence and that.

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Definitely it's not a frequent, you know, diet of mine to watch these European movies

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and to yeah, you know, the camera guy.

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I'm not a big shutter guy.

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That's like it's me.

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It's like made by shutter for shutter.

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Is the whole thing neon I believe is kind of kind of like one of those kind of is Bloomhouse

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I feel like doing kind of just like thriller horrors, quarters kind of stuff.

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I could be wrong on that.

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The production of it wasn't for shutter, but the shutter is like the I would almost put

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it as like the eight twenty four of horror, like even though eight twenty four does horror.

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But it's like I think shutter from a like the network of horror or anything for sure.

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But like it is a distributor and and funds the distribution of these types of movies.

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And yeah, it's like.

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It's a shit.

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Twisted shit like this super fucking twisted as shit.

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I mean, God, I, you know, at first I was like, what is this movie about?

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Why is it so like?

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Yeah, I was concerned a little bit of like, oh, what is this movie going to be about?

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Like, well, obviously it's going to be about title.

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But like, yeah, I had no idea how this was going to unfold.

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I really didn't know.

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Even I tried to watch the trailer before I watched it.

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And even through the trailer, I turned it off, which I'm prone to do because trailers

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reveal too much.

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And we watched it before the stream in the record today.

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But when I before I watched it the first time, I went to fall off the cliff.

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I was like, why is why is the trailer keep keep going?

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Why should it stopped a little bit ago?

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It's been like 50 seconds, 30 to 40 to 50 seconds.

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And that goes for like a minute and a half, two minutes.

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And then you know the whole movie.

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But I mean, they kind of have to do that, unfortunately, because most people haven't

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seen this movie will never see this movie.

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And so you really have to put so much of like the meat and potatoes of it to like get people

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And I like to be, you know, I like a little tea.

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No, for sure.

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I like those teasers.

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like more populist movies or like, you know, something a little bit more.

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like, why?

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You know, I was probably going to see it anyways, because it's got whoever in it or, you know,

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this director, what have you.

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And but yeah, for this, it's understandable.

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But I nonetheless, I get where you're coming from, for sure.

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But yeah, I'm just curious right off the bat, like, how.

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Dore you about this after like during this movie?

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I'm trying to think like the scale of it.

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And it is impressive how much it escalated as the movie went on when I was.

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Blown away pretty early and surprised at how quick things were escalating and then continued

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And I mean, it opened the opening is essentially a blowjob.

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And you see like pretty much a dude's booty hole while he's getting blown.

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More, more, more, more power to the to the movie to start a to start a film film like

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that.

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And then I don't know, you see it paralleled later where he she's just she's having, you

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know, she's having orifice of hers.

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In sorry, but and then at the end, when he gets, she fucking puts her fingers in him

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when when he doesn't want it.

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And I don't know, some of that stuff was very like, oh, yeah.

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The parallels of that.

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I'm getting too far into that, that sort of stuff.

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But I was like that they're opening the movie with a blowjob.

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And and then like it cut away during the blowjob.

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And then that was a choice.

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There's some choices.

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And overall, I'm interested.

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I'm excited to get into those those choices and how your original question.

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I'm sorry, I'm going on so much about the other stuff.

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But I was I was disturbed.

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I was disturbed and early on and then kind of just like incredulous at some of the.

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Some of the things that continued to happen and how how the movie let it happen.

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And how about you, Brandini?

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Like what was your what was was it?

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Was it a bell curve?

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Was it just launch into the.

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I would say it like exponentially increased for me because I guess at a point of plateaus

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because then it like kind of really sets in on like, OK, she's going to be fucking murdering

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these people.

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And but then but even then it takes a moment in the cave and then has that like consecutive

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dream sequence that like oh, I sit back up again.

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And I was like, whoa, holy shit, because, yeah, like because right at a point, like

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once she starts the first murder, you're like I was like, OK, I know how this is going to

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So these like and it really set the pace because of how gruesome the first murder was.

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But I was like, OK, I'm I now I have a little bit of an expectation here as to how these

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other ones are going to go down, which they pretty much did that.

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But the movie was surprising in the way that it all it still was able to like turn it up.

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Having set all the pieces in place and really kind of telegraphed what the you know, the

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second act and back after the movie was going to be.

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So I take that turn very quickly, like those guys show up and then they have one night.

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I guess they have the one night together is is a little bit of calm before the storm.

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But after that, in what he does, it just goes south and stays there for the rest of the

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I mean, it's like a horror movie or like something on plenty of other fine films on shutter probably

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have is that sort of arc of a story.

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But man, I I think what happens to her was one of them, one of the more upsetting things

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to and how it happens in the overall demeanor of that guy and how he approaches it.

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It was it was effective in that way, but it's just so hard to watch.

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And I think that's my disconnect with some of these movies.

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These you know, I appreciate the edge of a movie, you know, and when it's willing to

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go certain places, but other times were some restraint and bring it back in and not pushing

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the limits in certain other areas.

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For me, it's it's it would it would be more tasteful in my mind, but that could be just

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a personal taste as well.

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You know, they could be proving their point much as much.

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I think they are with how heinous and brutal that act is with how heinous and brutal all

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of her what is what she's going to do to these guys, too.

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But in my mind, both are kind of just like I stylistically awesome.

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But there are points where I'm just like, oh, it's so twisted.

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Yeah, especially stylistically.

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Yeah, I'm definitely down to get into that that side of it, too.

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Totally.

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I was just really curious after this of like, so are there is this like a thing like are

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there a lot of movies like this?

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Because it's obviously a blind spot to me because I haven't really seen a movie like

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this ever maybe.

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And I was curious about it.

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And this falls into a genre of French films that have been being made by a collection

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of directors that have been pushing this extreme.

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It's like called like extreme French horror or like it.

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But in French, it's like extreme cinema or whatever.

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And you know, the the characteristics of it is that highly stylized visuals with very

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grotesque imagery that is also can be violent and sexual as well.

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And yeah, I mean, God, it's it's so interesting to me the change that happens because this

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movie starts off and you're like, oh, it's just two incredibly attractive people on this

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vacation.

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And I thought it was going to be more about, you know, him, the guy, you know, having this

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family and then something, you know, like getting exposed to some degree and that being

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like the crux of what's going on, which, again, it just is so much of like a twist and subversion

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and of like it's leading me to believe these things and then flips that.

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And it makes me flat footed in that where I'm like, oh, because like especially so,

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for example, it clearly presents her as a sexual object.

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And I'm like, yeah, she's incredibly attractive.

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And I'm like thinking about that of like, oh, she's very hot.

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Like, but why are we focusing so much on her sexuality and on how attractive she is?

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And the movie frames things in a way where it highlights that very purposely and then

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gets into a rape scene.

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And then it just it's so crazy of a roller coaster that that ends up creating where you're

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like, oh, now I'm a disgusting person for almost even like being somewhat attracted

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to her because am I any better than the guys ogling her?

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Because so much of like before the rape is just like clear ogling of her beauty by these

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guys.

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And it like it edges you there a little bit to be like, oh, I'm not I'm just as bad as

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these guys because I'm like, but it's all purposeful direction as well.

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Like the cameras being placed, like there was one scene where I'm like the camera is

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literally like at her crotch and you're seeing like a very clear outline of her crotch.

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And I'm like, why are we what kind of movie is this?

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Like it's gratuitous.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think you're bringing up a fair point where it can be argued that the perspective

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of a lot of those shots is to be believed from all the guys that are around ogling her.

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But there it is gratuitous, like just multiple shots of her ass just right, right.

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Just multiple.

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And that's all that's in the frame.

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So you have no other choice.

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And but then there is that one scene where she's bending over at like the lawn lounge

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chair or whatever.

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And his face is just like, like right next to it.

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And it's that that's to the point where it's just like cartoonish.

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And it's obvious, you know, it's trying to get that effect.

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And that's all these all these guys are doing.

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And I don't know, it's it's it's it's effective.

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But whether it's subtle or not, you know, and whether it wants to be subtle is is, I

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guess, worth thinking about because I and what your taste is, I think that's just where

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where it comes down to is there's certain certain things that symbolically within the

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movie work and then there's other things where it's just not very subtle and a little like

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over the top and in my face about it.

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And but yeah, overall, like how it yeah, how it's shot, I keep like I bring that up again,

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too, because it's just I think it's just a really well shot movie.

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And I think there's a lot of really beautiful setups of shots and willingness to hold on

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things in a in a way that is a combination of excellence in cinematography, as well as

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the editing prowess to be able to hold on certain things a little bit longer to let

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it just date or even just the I think of the shot of him realizing that the the guy who

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gets blown away in the car isn't isn't coming back to the meeting point.

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And it just holds on the shot of him sitting there.

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And then you see him kind of get frustrated, get up, get on his dirt bike and leave.

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And it's all one shot.

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But it's not one of you know, and there's one of those a good example of a one shot

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that stays on somebody was they're moving around.

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But this one just holds on a why like were these really beautiful wide shots?

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Yeah, compose like a painting.

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And then you see him right away and it holds a bit longer.

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And I think that it has a a purposeful pace and style to it.

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That is a lot of fun to be a part of.

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And I think that that's part of the edge as well that I really enjoy.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Especially out of all the movies we've we've covered, man.

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I mean, this one has I don't know, this one has the most style for sure.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Like almost like far and away.

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Yeah, no color.

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No contest on.

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Yeah, has so much of a like its own language.

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It's yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Its own style that is so unique to it.

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And I agree.

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You know, because it's always so thrilling to watch a movie that is well directed in

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this because it like where the camera is, how and what it where, you know, what it focuses

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on and also to how it just presents a bunch of themes and elements in interesting ways

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is so fun, you know, because like the Punisher, for example, is so like like competent film.

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Yes, we clearly can see the characters in the frame and we're getting from point A to

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point B, but it just it takes so much more like it's so much more fun and interesting

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when you aren't when you're doing exactly what you said or there's there's really so

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many shots in this that are exciting and like it's so weird to say enjoyable, right, because

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this movie is so grotesque.

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Oh, yeah, it's upsetting.

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It's super upsetting.

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But you those in those moments, you kind of can't look away almost, but you but you want

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to.

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But for the rest of it, it does have such an acceleration.

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And when you bring up the Punisher, I think of one of the things that I criticize about

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that one and to an extent law abiding citizen, whatever these kind of moments where a person

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has decided that they are going to change their nature and take revenge upon those who

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have wronged them.

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And in the movies that we've watched, especially the Punisher, what you just brought up that

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happens extremely quickly and in the montage and he doesn't say fucking shit the whole

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time.

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He just like gets up.

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He's like, Yep, I'm just going to go do it.

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And he's pretty quiet the rest of the rest of the movie.

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He doesn't really say, you know, whatever he's he's brooding.

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He's brooding the whole movie.

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It's it's he's just brooding.

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But the moment of her by herself in the cave had more character development than that movie

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did, you know, as far as that transition of what he has to do.

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And this could be because of some things that I like as well, which is the scale of the

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of everything is pretty small and and and the time it just takes place over like a day

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or two, whatever.

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And it is survival.

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Like it's it's a it's a you don't have a choice.

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You have it's not only that you you want to take revenge, like you have to to survive

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to survive and make it out.

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And I think that's so much more compelling and just justified within what she has chosen

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to do and everything, whether it's believable.

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There's a lot of things that, you know, that's a whole maybe a whole nother conversation.

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But character development and and wants and needs within within the scale.

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It like lends itself to my enjoyment, coupled with the style that it had going for it as

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well.

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And some interesting choices were, yeah, like what does what does he even do?

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The guy like he's just kind of vague.

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He's just kind of into some fucked up shit.

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Yeah, he's like he's just a rich white guy.

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I mean, that's the extent of it.

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Right.

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And these guys are going hunting like I was there and I'm trying for him.

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What is what I want to know in the desert?

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I know he found one fucking rabbit that was like bled out already.

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Yeah, but yeah, the rabbit had so much fucking it was the brightest reddest blood in the

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world.

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Right.

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And that was his move to like throw the carcass on the car.

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Like what a weird move that is like.

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Oh, great.

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So now I can't see it.

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There's blood all over the fucking windshield.

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Like you know, but he's a sick fuck, you know, and he did.

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There's so many.

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And God, that's when you realize he was the problem.

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It was blurry at first, but then he became clear.

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It's you.

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You're the problem.

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Whoa, deep.

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I just.

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I see now I see through.

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You know, it is interesting that you bring up the because we definitely talked a lot

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about it on law abiding citizen of if you think deeper into the plot of it, it falls

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apart and that's such a like a problem of, you know, this movie of that movie and Punisher

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a little bit too.

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And it's weird how if you think about this movie, it doesn't necessarily fall apart because

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it's so sound and what's happening.

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It's just I get.

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But the point that you brought up that I want to dig into is like I do get that she was

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a model.

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So her ability to survive, to wield guns, to do all of these actions seems pretty far

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fetch that she would like be able to know how to do that.

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But it is it is not.

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It's not something that you if you it's not the same effect, though, if you think about

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that longer, it falls apart because to me, it's like you said is he is in survival mode.

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So I don't know.

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It isn't so much about like, why is she there or why is that person there?

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You know, kind of those like logistics of the plot.

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It's just OK.

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It is a little bit far fetched, but that's not as big of a problem.

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You know, if you were to consider it, sure, a critique that you can make, but it's not

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nearly as much of a problem as to like why Jamie Foxx is in every scenario.

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His job is, you know, a lawyer like or how all of these specific things had to come together

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perfectly in order for Gerard Butler's plan to work like because the scope and the scale

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of that movie is is massive.

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He's tearing he's tearing down the whole system like in order to do that and in order to show

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him as like this master tinkerer, then he's got to do some some pretty amazing stuff.

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But this one, I think you mentioned logistics and I think there is.

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I agree with you where it is isn't as big of a deal for me and I'm still able to enjoy

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myself, but I think it does get knocked a little bit for me about the choices that they

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make where it could be.

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It could be a bit more believable had they made like maybe some of their choices about

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just giving her a little bit of help in terms of finding her way out of that.

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And maybe that ruins the believability of like, you know, what kind of help are you

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going to get out there?

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But having her fall off a cliff and get fucking impaled through her back and out of her abdomen

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is something that as as cinematically satisfying and the imagery that they wanted that maybe

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those strike and maybe not satisfy.

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And for these twisted fucks out there, oh yeah, oh yeah, it's an impale scene.

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Got it.

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Oh, shutter.

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Oh, where's the category for impalement?

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And like the blood dripping on the ants and all that stuff, like the microscopic photography.

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That was cool.

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It was crazy, but I was like, how do I feel bad for ants?

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Because he just make the microscopic thing look so big.

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And what about that spider getting pissed on too, right?

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Yeah, we did.

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Oh my God.

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It just sat with it.

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It was like, we're going to watch him piss on this spider.

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I was like, wow, we wow, we're going to see this spider just die in piss right now.

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Like, yeah, I thought it was going to be such a quick thing of like he pisses on it, runs

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away end of it.

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But it's like, no, we're going to fucking show you.

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I know.

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Right.

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And it could have been an easy like, oh, he's in for the spider.

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Anyways, next scene it was like, no, he has drank a lot today and he's going to use that

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as ammunition to drown out the spider spider's life, which means nothing to him.

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Life means nothing to him.

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Like I know it's just like trying to show even even more, but in this way and like,

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and the cutting cutting of it, just the stream of piss that just like was just like, just

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like, just kept going.

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Like a fire just drowned it was it's something that's like such a choice and such a stylistic

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thing that adds just that to a movie instead of necessarily like plot or anything.

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It's just let's add a little bit more color to do this.

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And then this person's mind, it's some twisted shit with bugs and stuff.

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But as to go back to like the believability of it all, you know, her getting impaled,

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probably some organs in there that are going to going to be fucked up.

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She goes to her cave.

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It's one thing to to to solder or fucking cauterize some shit with with a fire.

482
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,200
But I don't know, you got to suture that shit.

483
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,000
You got to get you got to stitch that upside.

484
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,040
You know, it's a but this is again, this is no way like ruins the movie for me, but it's

485
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,080
just some stuff that like kind of surprising.

486
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,840
I would say surprisingly not.

487
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,840
Right.

488
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,480
Yeah, you're also because you're right.

489
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:55,480
Like you think about it.

490
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,480
Yeah.

491
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,760
But then like that branding thing is so fucking cool.

492
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:00,760
So cool.

493
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,400
Like iconic and everything.

494
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:08,600
It's like whatever, like, like, just make it so that could happen is kind of it.

495
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,080
And I'm trying to think, oh, I don't know, like where she could have got a different

496
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,280
injury or they did something else.

497
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,960
But you see that you're like, whatever, like, whatever.

498
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,040
She's got this cool like, yeah, beer.

499
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,680
Like, yeah, like emblem on her.

500
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,600
And it is funny, too, because I think it's part of the language of the movie to like,

501
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:33,800
you know, things in this movie are totally believable or maybe she is somewhat super

502
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,800
human.

503
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,760
And I think because this being a female director, I think she's really playing on the fact that

504
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,600
there's been so many male driven action movies where they do get super fucked up, but somehow

505
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:50,520
are able to like, you know, put themselves together and then take down a whole group

506
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:51,520
of bad guys.

507
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:52,520
And that's almost like common.

508
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,720
So like John McClane didn't have shoes.

509
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,720
Right.

510
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,680
I mean, this guy gets some fucking glass up the hall.

511
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,480
That was like my least favorite.

512
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,720
That was mine, too.

513
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,720
I'm glad you brought that up.

514
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,560
I hate that was so much.

515
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,680
I fucking hated it, which is so interesting, right?

516
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,680
Because again, it's just the end the scene.

517
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:19,360
And it's just this huge fucking cut in his foot.

518
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,520
And he's like squishing it together to get it out.

519
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,040
And it's and again, he actually looks happy when he got it out.

520
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,640
He is like, oh, oh, thank God.

521
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,640
Oh, oh, yeah.

522
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,160
Because I mean, I've I've gotten a shard of glass in my body before.

523
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,800
And yeah, it's like you definitely it's almost like, yeah, a relief.

524
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:44,160
You're like, oh, thank God, because it's just this stiff piece in in your skin is like really

525
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,160
fucking awful.

526
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:50,120
But yeah, like again, but see, that's it.

527
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,040
That is so interesting.

528
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,360
That both of us were so taken aback by that.

529
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,520
In when in this movie.

530
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,560
Easily arguable, more fucked up shit happens.

531
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,360
But the foot glass thing is what gets you.

532
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:14,000
And it's just and it's such a like really great understanding of the human brain and

533
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:22,360
psyche where you're like, yeah, is this particular thing is going to elicit this strong reaction?

534
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,920
And it's like, if anything, like, why didn't we feel, you know, why is this affecting me

535
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,360
more than like arguably the rape scene?

536
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:37,280
Like you could even make that argument that like it is terrible and unsettling and awful

537
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,280
and disgusting.

538
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,280
I want to throw up.

539
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,200
But like there's some there's like.

540
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:49,600
They're both very strong in what they're doing.

541
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,600
And they have like these different they sit at different places.

542
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,160
But and it's just so interesting to look back and be like, this is how I felt about this

543
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,520
thing and this is how I felt about this other thing in the movie and how each one is eliciting

544
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:10,040
these different responses and some being more visceral, some being more psychological and

545
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,040
all of that.

546
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,680
And it's just this movie oscillates all over the place with like how you like, yeah, I

547
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,360
don't know what what it's deriving from you.

548
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,660
And you have to confront that feeling because this is the most I think I could easily say

549
00:32:24,660 --> 00:32:27,020
the most uncomfortable I've been watching movie.

550
00:32:27,020 --> 00:32:32,680
And just to all these weird varying degrees to you know, when I get I mean in that in

551
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:37,880
that scene, in particular, the foot scene, it gets so close up to it and everything in

552
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,720
the movie that's going so fast in that moment between this chase between two people.

553
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,720
Screeches to a halt so we can deal with this.

554
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,240
It's like stop everything.

555
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,080
And she does his flashlight move.

556
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,920
And then he has to just focus in on just figuring that out.

557
00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:00,320
And we all have to figure it out with him and it's just so close up on the foot and

558
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:08,520
the blood in this movie, like the trail, the trails alone are just copious amounts of blood

559
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,880
or have been porn by so many people in this movie.

560
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,880
It's pretty amazing.

561
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,420
But he's just like pouring.

562
00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:19,960
This guy has gone, he's gone through a lot, right?

563
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:20,960
Rightfully so.

564
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,480
And so in many ways, but good, right?

565
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,480
Good.

566
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,760
He fucking sucks.

567
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:27,760
He's awful.

568
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,520
He's a terrible person.

569
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,200
Like he's the one who raped her like this.

570
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,040
He is the worst.

571
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:40,160
And yeah, but again, you're like, oh, I don't like this.

572
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,080
It makes you couldn't I mean, makes you confront that I guess in some way.

573
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,760
But also it's like, it makes me think of like 70s horror movies, which I'm not super familiar

574
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,760
with.

575
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:58,480
I'm mentioning that and I'm not familiar with the French movement of cinema where the 70s

576
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:07,200
sort of styling is kind of that brutality and things like I spit on your grave or with

577
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,960
that one with is it like Dustin Hoff and straw dogs?

578
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,800
Is that what it's called?

579
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:17,920
I think it's just another like revenge thing where, you know, people get revenge on the

580
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:23,360
fucked up, you know, realistic monsters that are purportedly like really out there, you

581
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,360
know, sort of thing.

582
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,880
And then and then those people like take it, take the hurt back back to them and use use

583
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,560
that method or you're like, I'm trying to remember last house on the left, but that

584
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,400
has some I remember that one has an original one really fucked up.

585
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,400
Yeah.

586
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:46,360
And it reminded me of that kind of stuff where it was like really exploring just brutality

587
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,960
in a in a gristle down like almost realistic way.

588
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:58,920
This one goes to goes to different lengths where I find it very Tarantino ish and Robert

589
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,040
Rod Rodriguez see a little bit at times.

590
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,880
Grindhouse he for sure, especially with the branding thing that just reminded me of like

591
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:13,600
trying to make an iconic character about her look and when she emerges from the cave and

592
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,560
that is meant to have elicit a certain response.

593
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,480
But man, she fucking does peyote.

594
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,040
We should talk about that.

595
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:31,480
So to that point is like when this movie and I and you know, I'm sure it is because it

596
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:39,200
is directed and written by a female like this is such a feminist movie where she is very

597
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,560
capable.

598
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,800
She like I don't know.

599
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:43,800
I like it.

600
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:53,760
She's such a capable person and it's so like interesting that she seems so like a so helpless

601
00:35:53,760 --> 00:36:01,360
in the beginning leading up to the to her getting impaled and the turnaround for her

602
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:08,160
being you know from being uncut or incapable to being very capable is just such a strong

603
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,120
message in this movie.

604
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,680
You know, she figures out the things that she needs to figure out.

605
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,400
She takes control of the situation and she really fucking gets it to these fucking monsters

606
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:24,600
and also to like the villain in this movie is the strongest villain out of this revenge

607
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,720
series in my mind because you threw out it.

608
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:36,880
I was like this guy could accomplish what he wants to do of killing her pretending it's

609
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:43,080
an accident and just like being done with her like the it was so realistic that he could

610
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,220
get away with this unlike any of the other movies where it's very unrealistic that these

611
00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:53,240
villains get away with their plans and then some of them it's like kind of like with John

612
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,300
Travolta you're like what is your plan again?

613
00:36:56,300 --> 00:37:04,440
This is just clearly like he yeah he's like I this girl will go tell somebody that she

614
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,960
was raped.

615
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,560
My wife will find out about it.

616
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,440
My job my whole life is going to get ruined by this so I'm going to deal with it this

617
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:19,400
way and it just seemed like yeah he could probably he could probably like get rid of

618
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:25,520
her and not have like the fallout really from it and so that made it so much the stakes

619
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:32,680
higher for me scarier to me such a more believable villain you know that he was because it's

620
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,440
just so fucking realistic and it's so crazy yeah.

621
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,680
That's all you really needed to know about him that says everything about his character

622
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,720
and that in that moment of how he reacted to what happened to her where I almost there

623
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:51,000
was a part of me of like well I kind of want to know a little bit more about him you know

624
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,960
whatever his like family life or whatever for a second and then like the minute like

625
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,980
he reacts like that that just says everything you need to know about who this person is

626
00:38:00,980 --> 00:38:05,960
you already know he's sleeping around but to know yeah that he immediately goes to a

627
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:15,840
cover story to blaming to physical abuse like all within like so so quickly and five minutes

628
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,400
and then chase and then chases her out like that all happened so quickly and the yeah

629
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,320
even that restraint of being able restraint in certain areas you know of like having those

630
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:31,640
quiet shot of them running away of the wide and then just running in you know away from

631
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:40,040
frame and no no sound and anything like that kind of stuff just is one of those things

632
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:46,000
I love where it's like well what if we did the opposite of of what people would maybe

633
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:52,240
expect or subvert in a way that's satisfying you know sometimes it's it's too ill effect

634
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:58,520
or it's too much but I prefer that and I applaud that rather than a movie where it's like yeah

635
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,360
you get it we're gonna do montage and get to the good stuff where that's what you really

636
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:08,600
want and to see this yeah you this person you said the director I believe it's her first

637
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:17,200
film that she's ever done which you know that's pretty fucking cool to have such a voice and

638
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:23,280
to create I think she might have written it too I could be wrong I think so but into the

639
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:31,320
character herself is has an iconic sort of look and or and like her own kind of like

640
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,800
origin story whatever I'm not trying to like make hero five this whatever but it like has

641
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:45,280
a story and action that I can glob on to in an entertaining way while still having like

642
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:52,760
shocking elements that push that pushed me a bit but never to the point where I'm like

643
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,800
completely turned off I'm always kind of just like ooh like I'm turning away but then I'm

644
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:07,840
kind of back in it and you know the the creative ways in which she goes about her her you know

645
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,640
kind of her plan I guess she's really playing she's just going going with it but I noticed

646
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:18,320
almost every time that she made a move on one of the guys they were like I think a couple

647
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,160
times they would put their gun down and go take a piss and we're like go like at the

648
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:28,440
end he went to go take a shower and it was always like around that time that she would

649
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,520
she would kind of show up and it was yeah it was just some sort of nice parallel to

650
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:39,360
that and the within rhythm within the action even with those separate separate things the

651
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,760
guy you know the guy in the in the water or whatever that that she just stabbed stabs

652
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:50,920
his eyes out that was I mean that that rhythm of action was so good because you just it

653
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:56,280
was like one one thrust down into the water you see the knife for like a hot second and

654
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,000
then back up and then second time back down you see a little bit better back up and then

655
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:06,240
third time she fucking grabs it and now that I just I love that that's a satisfying rhythm

656
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:14,560
to it and that gun I thought was kind of cool looking it was so big but it was like oh yeah

657
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,880
that just kind of looks like a shape to it that like looks different than anything I've

658
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,920
seen yeah it's like this massive gun with a scope on it yeah it was like kind of like

659
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:32,240
a shotgun oh totally and then she does her cave thing and then the two the two guys they

660
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:37,080
have because I'm trying to think of like some of the iconic scenes and we can roll on to

661
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:44,480
some reviews but the when them with them kind of sitting at the lake disposing of their

662
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:51,320
buddy's body even something as as like this is the simplicity of the editing and ability

663
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,760
to shoot that scene and make it interesting too I don't know if him going back into the

664
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:03,920
car rolling down the window and the and like we talked about the blood with the hair and

665
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:10,240
trying to clean it and things out of focus becoming in focus and then he breaks his note

666
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:16,640
that was kind of out of nowhere too but also just like fuck him but he he he like questioned

667
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:23,360
him or whatever and he just turns around and cocks cocks his fist and explodes on his nose

668
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:30,880
and he just that's how that's how tough guys say right yeah just cocks and explodes on

669
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:37,480
his nose yeah it explodes and then the whole little chase of that guy I thought was a nice

670
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,720
little cat so sad mouse it's cool through them through the mountains and then him like

671
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:49,960
running out of gas was a really effective sort of tension builder yeah and he's kind

672
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,360
of just like he got the he got the eye so I don't know what year this takes place but

673
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:59,920
it's not like it's seems like she either didn't bring her phone or she brought her iPod Nano

674
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:04,640
which I think is just a nice fun detail of her pink iPod Nano but he's like listening

675
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:12,200
to her iPod Nano and the songs there and everything I'm man I'm thinking about the the peyote

676
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:19,320
too just a touch on that like that was such an interesting way because it was almost magical

677
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:25,120
realism at that point as it is yeah and then gets into the dream sequence survive that

678
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,800
because even all the criticism that I levied against it of like oh how believable is that

679
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:36,540
that she's able to heal her wound in that moment well you don't have any magical peyote

680
00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:43,400
you'd have to combine with this beer can that might together create some sort of healing

681
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,480
elixir especially if some wrong has been done to you maybe the peyote knows and it's and

682
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:54,240
it's gonna help you on your quest to get vengeance you don't know no but nonetheless it makes

683
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:59,880
you think differently so yeah like told her senses and she just like zoned out and then

684
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:05,560
did what needed to be done yeah yeah and so much time and attention is paid to her eyes

685
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,500
and what's going on behind them there's so much thought and processing that I was really

686
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:15,360
enraptured by where I was like she's really kind of out of it and like in this liminal

687
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:21,360
space of like fuck what do I do I think I I know what I need to do but do I want to

688
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:26,320
do it and there's all this back and forth that's happening in her head and then just

689
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,800
the whole process of like this can and looking at it and being like I know I have to like

690
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,400
close this wound up this is how I'm gonna go about doing it and then you know it then

691
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:43,680
it causes her to to have the um that dream sequence where a fucking head explodes oh

692
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:50,760
my god blown away multiple dream sequence and yeah because it was like in quick succession

693
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:57,840
and it's fed up and like it one would happen and that was like a full kind of slower version

694
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,720
and then it like happened really quickly and then day and the night and then day and the

695
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:06,400
night kind of like she'd wake up at night and then wake up again it was day and then

696
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:14,040
wake up again it was night uh-huh yeah man and yeah it's it is funny that she cauterizes

697
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:20,520
her her stomach wound with this beer can by putting it on putting the beer can through

698
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:26,960
the are using the knife to cut off the the like the uh the beer can to then put it on

699
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,920
the fire to heat it up to then place it on her and it is kind of funny that the wound

700
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,360
not like really just doesn't exist anymore after that point yeah because i was i was

701
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:42,200
really like or like just being a little stickler in my mind at that moment for uh like what

702
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,840
about her back wound like that's the entry point this is just where it exited like she

703
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,680
should probably be be worried because she broke it off in front i'm like is that all

704
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:56,680
that like what about i guess it just right and then uh but then it would it showed a

705
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:01,520
few shots of her back that was like all black and everything so it was just i was like okay

706
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:07,960
i guess they're kind of showing you and wanting you to assume that it burned she burned the

707
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:13,600
back and and it closed it all up there as well um but now i'm even remembering how she

708
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:22,640
got off being impaled like the whole fire thing she like lit the brush around the stump

709
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:28,120
of the the tree branch on fire and like that was the way she was able to like kind of shimmy

710
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:35,600
out and break the stump i guess for the trunk of it like like weaken it to then be able

711
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:41,680
to like kind of like throw momentum to break it yeah yeah i don't know that was kind of

712
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:47,020
like a little bit of like okay whatever just i mean yeah right but it almost seems nitpicky

713
00:46:47,020 --> 00:46:51,600
because it's just you're right no you're right this movie and though but the reason that

714
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:55,800
i would say that it would be nitpicky is because it i think i i want to give the movie credit

715
00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:01,840
that it has been stylized to this point that it is like a tarantino movie where you're

716
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:08,680
like this is it's it's almost like this is happening for the sake of like yeah the style

717
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:15,280
lends itself to be like it doesn't have to be exactly how it would go down but it's like

718
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,320
what is like the it's cool i want to say like the coolest yeah right like what is the shot

719
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:25,760
of like the burning tree or whatever yeah no you're right yeah i agree there's no reason

720
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:33,040
like other people can't do cool stylistic shit too and and i think and it's all cohesive

721
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:39,000
in a way too it like this it's not necessarily out of place no definitely not especially

722
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,600
as the movie ramps up you it kind of fits right in with everything else going on if

723
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:48,160
that would have been the only thing then maybe you would you know i could be more critical

724
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,440
or whatever but i yeah i'm just it's when you watch a movie you make notes in your head

725
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,720
there's there's certain things that that come up but i think you're totally right within

726
00:47:55,720 --> 00:48:04,560
the framing of it all um it just moves things and then into the next uh part uh in a fun

727
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:10,760
interesting way and then there's a big showdown uh at the end that's just like a fucking blood

728
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:17,920
bath in in those halls and i think it is also another like i want to say like a

729
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:27,880
feminist bent on it where he is the nude one to me i was like oh this i feel like something's

730
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:34,720
being said here that he's vulnerable he's nude he's the one that's like scared and there's

731
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:39,280
like this you know he's afraid that she's going to like appear out of nowhere and kill

732
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,840
him and all of that she's in the house and sees the guy through the pink glass with gun

733
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:54,120
and at the end he sees her with the gun in the blue glass exactly right i mean i like

734
00:48:54,120 --> 00:49:00,320
no i like it i like it i'm just i'm too stupid to fully flesh out what everything means i

735
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:06,240
i just am glad that there is some underlying symbology that doesn't need to be spelled

736
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:11,880
out as well but i'm just that noise was kind of just like really it's it's cool but i'm

737
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,120
kind of stupid to break everything down even like the apple stuff and everything i'm like

738
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:22,000
there's some serious meaning being ascribed to this too that i'm maybe too dumb to get

739
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,720
like carnal carnal sin i don't know right knowledge of good and evil and it's like rotting

740
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:34,200
and yeah i was trying to snow white fuck right all of those yeah you could ascribe so many

741
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:40,400
meanings to things because it presents itself like a work of art where it is strong imagery

742
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:46,040
that is like it's up to the viewer to like kind of decipher what it is it's just presenting

743
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:53,160
things that are really striking really evocative and and yeah you can kind of like do the mental

744
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,080
gymnastics to be like oh this is what i think that you're talking about and it just it's

745
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:03,800
so layered how fucking interesting this movie ends up being for what it is because it's

746
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:09,800
really not all like arguably like we said at the scale of it is small so it's not like

747
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:16,160
a ton of stuff happens but there is it is colored like all the way through if you were

748
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:22,680
to consider this a coloring book like every every part of it is colored in with something

749
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:29,160
and it just makes it for such a feast of like oh wow this is happening oh what does this

750
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:36,040
mean or like oh man like really no loose ends or anything either no like it's very cut and

751
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,320
dry like everybody you know all the bad guys get fucking murdered by the woman that they

752
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,760
thought that they had power over and they had no power and she has all the power now

753
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:52,640
and you leave it and you're like okay like you know mission accomplished like it's like

754
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,920
it's there's so much like satisfying shit in this where you're like yeah like because

755
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:02,840
we've talked about it too like in law abiding citizen like how funny it is that they set

756
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:08,360
up the the guy that mur that like almost rapes his wife and law abiding citizen like how

757
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,960
bad of a guy he is and they like clearly go to lengths to be like this guy's a huge piece

758
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:19,040
of shit but like this movie does that too you know it really sets up that these guys

759
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:25,040
are huge pieces of shit but it doesn't in a way that's not as like egregious or like

760
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:31,040
as like noticeably like we get it he's a super huge piece of shit you know and then I never

761
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:40,440
felt that way because it was always grounded in like this could happen this is this potentially

762
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:45,000
is a person I'm not potentially but I'm sure there are people out there like that they're

763
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,720
that are these you know these men that are egotistical that think that they can do whatever

764
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:57,400
the fuck they want and there's no real repercussions for it and so on and so forth and the complicit

765
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:03,000
nature of the other guy who comes in eating snacks and just walks away and goes swimming

766
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,020
law abiding citizen does take this sort of pity on that guy that's like hey man we shouldn't

767
00:52:08,020 --> 00:52:14,360
do this I mean he gets super fucked up by drawer but learn nonetheless but this movie

768
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,580
from it differentiates from the ones that we've done in the past as well which have

769
00:52:19,580 --> 00:52:27,120
been all angry dudes that are pissed off at this the system kinda and want to change it

770
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,720
and affect it and and take vengeance upon what has been done to them that they feel

771
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:36,840
like the job isn't being done properly by those systematic things in place that should

772
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:44,360
do it for them and that's a lot to kind of juggle within a movie sometimes certain ones

773
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:52,120
can be done very very effective effectively you know as a Batman is is probably my favorite

774
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:57,200
superhero and and I'm a big Dark Knight guy and there's there's ways to do it but this

775
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:05,000
one again I go back to the the survival element and and the scope of it all puts it all all

776
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:12,760
the onus on her and in her hands of about you know survivor or die and you have these

777
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,640
are the things that you have to do and you don't have a choice and all the bullshit is

778
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:22,280
kind of paired away and you don't have to explain too much and you can get into more

779
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:28,720
stylistic things because you've been offered that by the tight script and location and

780
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:35,160
setting that you've placed upon it and I love that it's it's really placed in her own hands

781
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:43,320
to get it done and it feels manic at times and she it's not perfect she gets her ear

782
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:51,240
blown off to later on and and it gets really fucking messy at that the mono Emano part

783
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:58,640
but like literally messy like the amount of blood that is it happens in that because he's

784
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,960
like up against the wall completely nude with the shotgun waiting for her to walk in and

785
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:08,920
she's and and then she is indicated that he's behind that wall by this enormous pool of

786
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,080
blood that's right it looks like a bucket just the hallway

787
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:20,280
just like a bucket like tipped over and and it's just this fucking massive thing and then

788
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,720
in the hallway there's just like blood flying all over the place and it's just so gory and

789
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:35,000
gruesome my god this movie is gory yeah and it's uh in a way makes it that reminds me

790
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,920
Tarantino as well but it just makes you kind of revel in it at a certain point when you

791
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:47,820
realize that's what it is and it's it's just going to amp up from there and it just remains

792
00:54:47,820 --> 00:54:53,320
interesting and she's she stands off at the end and then looks down the barrel of the

793
00:54:53,320 --> 00:55:00,960
camera and and we roll credits and uh i think that we did our due diligence uh covering

794
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:06,960
this covering this film this revenge film uh i agree but before we get it called revenge

795
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:13,360
i'm trying to take a look at my notes here uh so one one thing i just i feel remissed

796
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:21,040
uh if we did if i didn't bring up is that fucking what is it that usa like channel commercial

797
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:27,040
i can only imagine them filming that and and realizing they didn't have enough footage

798
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,940
for the scene we're like i guess we're gonna play it again yeah it's just gonna play over

799
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:36,340
and over again the same shit and later like it it jumped into some of them actually selling

800
00:55:36,340 --> 00:55:42,680
like a ring or something like that the hires club or it was i was so close to being realistic

801
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:47,480
i feel like it was like very close but there's something that was just a little off like

802
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,400
shop shop unc or so it was some weird website that it was like advertising that was like

803
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:58,760
that doesn't sound good yeah it was like i think i think it was called like usa shop

804
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,600
club yeah something like that um or something but i was like stuff like commercials out

805
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:09,040
there like and i was trying to place the time period on that too with like ipod nano and

806
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,320
how that how that commercial looked and some of the speaker equipment but i don't know

807
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,420
that was that was something that just like so cool to know that there was information

808
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:22,360
that they felt no need to share with us they're just like yeah it's not important you can

809
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,040
you can glean that yourself if you look close enough but we don't need to tell you you know

810
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:36,280
because it's not important enough to talk about like come on jeffrey it's 2007 get it

811
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:43,040
together when he's talking about get the turn the aircon off in the car it's unenvironmental

812
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:52,400
so funny that he yeah he's an environmentalist you know but he has no problem fucking killing

813
00:56:52,400 --> 00:57:00,000
a person but yeah turn that fucking ac you just get so pissed about it uh the little

814
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,840
juicy peachy ass it's like an alien coming from another planet uh-huh yes i like that

815
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:12,200
one not get that at all i don't get it i don't get it why is a peachy ass something that's

816
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:17,920
yeah an alien ass i don't understand uh binoculars close oh yeah when they were just looking

817
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,480
at the binoculars like that super close next to each other that was just they were literally

818
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:30,080
ogling her with binoculars like sitting right there just like binoculars um a polish guy

819
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,920
saw his own leg off oh that was like some anecdote in the movie oh she fits the peyote

820
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:40,400
in the locket it almost looked like it didn't can fit but it wasn't that much so yeah it

821
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,560
works it was a fun little thing because the locket was such a part of her outfit same

822
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:52,800
with the uh i heart la oh i'm realizing i have here what a song selection is the note

823
00:57:52,800 --> 00:58:01,240
oh yes very a lot of um like that fidget house that we used to listen to it a lot of the

824
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,440
music reminded me of yeah you shared like what is a brodinski and then it reminded me

825
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:15,480
of like mr orzo and sure like jejotronic almost at times yeah it was like the scene

826
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:21,560
was kind of like she's gonna she's kind of dancing for them and they're and they're having

827
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:29,280
a party night and she asked to dance with uh her guy and he says no and then dances

828
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,240
with the other guy but when she first puts the music on you think it's going to be like

829
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:38,960
some sultry kind of like uh like lounge desert music or something is my guess i guess yeah

830
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,000
or a sexy pop song i guess yeah sure like something but then i'm going to play what

831
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:49,120
she does put on it is funny to think that she picks this song out yeah i i think it's

832
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:54,000
like and like you're supposed to like kind of do have like a sexy slow dance to this

833
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,360
are you putting it on in the watch yeah look i i shared my screen if you want to check

834
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:05,720
it out uh brandy i just thought this was such an interesting choice of her to be like yeah

835
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:16,760
let's do a little dance and then she puts this on

836
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,560
this shit goes hard i just want to get to the one like vocal part

837
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:31,720
like if someone asked me to like get up and dance to this i'd be like

838
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,720
oh

839
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:56,600
all right i had to i had to share that i'm glad you did because yeah there's there's a

840
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:01,240
lot of those sides and then there's that moment too where he like is so incredibly stylized

841
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:07,480
where he's driving on the motorcycle at night and it's like the camera yes in front of him

842
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,200
and it almost looked like it was in a sound stage it was so stylized because the camera is like

843
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:17,640
is like because you can't see anything behind him and it's just this red red light and him on the

844
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:23,560
motorcycle and there's and this movie's fraught with with shit like that you know yeah like a

845
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:29,880
little interstitial stuff like the guy being a fucking iguana i love that yes like he's a lizard

846
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:37,320
man no she never says like you're a lizard she just like you're a lizard peyote told me that

847
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:43,720
you're a lizard and i have to kill you it never says anything about it but that's what i know

848
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:52,040
and it's so funny because the peyote was given to them right because by the helicopter driver

849
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:59,880
i wanted to catch up with him he's like you're alive did you you know you know that something

850
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:05,800
help you along the way did you get a sign came in like a package that was so like i was like is that

851
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:11,160
like candy because it was like i don't know it's so weird and she didn't like it at first and she

852
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:18,680
spit it out and then ate it off the ground that was like such yeah yeah i get it it's probably

853
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:24,520
gross tasting um the she plays that little phone game when he's trying to make conversation with

854
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:32,200
her and i was those were coming out from a game boy that's what i wrote down i was like is she

855
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:38,680
playing like snake on her phone like yeah it was so like beep boop beep boop i guess what year is it

856
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:43,080
i don't know i should see what the phone game is maybe she's got a nokia she's yeah maybe she is i

857
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:49,480
don't know um let's see oh yeah they didn't follow up with the guy after he said he caught her i mean

858
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,080
yeah they like fell asleep in the car the other guy went out and hunting all night and they woke

859
01:01:53,080 --> 01:02:00,040
up the next day and were like oh he's not back yet that's interesting it's like uh probably figure

860
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:06,920
out something might have gone wrong but anyways um yeah i think that's when the sock tourniquet i

861
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,600
thought that was pretty brutal he like is shot through the shoulder and you know he takes his

862
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:15,960
sock off and does that and grabs it with his teeth that was i don't know it was just a memorable

863
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:24,200
moment um saran wraps uh that guy does the saran wrap across his belly that was such a funny quick

864
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:32,760
thing he's like ah he's just like saran wraps himself really quick i gotta save myself for later

865
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,760
here

866
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,400
that should be the name of our upcoming album a saran wrap

867
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,360
and the picture of him just like

868
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:09,080
saran wrapping a bullet wound there's so much of that in this movie it's just people screaming

869
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:17,640
by themselves well let's uh let's remind ourselves of these numbies uh before we get into some

870
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:24,520
reveals after you do the numbies i want to ask the question of why you think this movie is polarizing

871
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:32,200
before we get into before we get into it yeah it's a 93 by critics a 58 by audience why i think it's

872
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:39,800
polarizing is especially yeah from the audience i mean versus critics and we watched the trailer

873
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,920
before this and it looked like some of the critics were really hailing it as an empower like some of

874
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:49,560
it some of the lines were saying like this is empowering this is a female empowerment female

875
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:56,600
empower empowering uh movie and uh i don't know what i mean by this maybe it's just something that

876
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:04,360
like critics might use as a way to to make their point about some something else too maybe that's

877
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:09,800
what this movie's point is uh so maybe it's it's rightfully done rightfully so maybe that is the

878
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:15,080
whole point um because this is 2017 so this is the me too movement's happening right now that's true

879
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:20,760
that's true i it's and that could be it and that's i'm just trying to differentiate because we don't

880
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:25,160
have too many like critics favored over the audience and i guess that would be the question

881
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:30,200
why do critics love it so much why do audiences not like it and why critics like it so much i

882
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:35,480
think that subversion of the revenge tale is interesting i think it is artfully done

883
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:42,040
style again all the stylistic choices i think agree pander maybe not trying to pander but

884
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:48,600
it cater to and our creators a critic's sense of sensibility within a movie

885
01:04:50,280 --> 01:05:01,160
and it's maximalist purposefully so and i think critics will recognize that and laud it when it's

886
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:06,680
done properly and i think this is a maximalist thing that's done stylistically with which is a

887
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:15,800
tough thing to juggle uh why audiences hate it um i think some of those little nitpicky things i

888
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:20,920
brought up earlier i think they honed in on those a bit more and it's unrealistic and didn't like

889
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:30,760
uh how unbelievable some of those moments were and i but yeah again i'm trying to think if like

890
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,320
this was a guy doing all this shit if if they would care as much or maybe i'm

891
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:41,400
i would i'm i know they would it's just it's just it's just getting impaled on a stick and then

892
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:46,760
gluing yourself together with a beer can and a fire and peyote maybe they they just like turn off

893
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:55,000
at that point maybe it's the overly overtly like gruesome nature of it all uh and in their mind

894
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:00,760
they yeah i think it's like senseless um which i've even said some version of that argument in

895
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:09,400
this in this uh podcast but uh and moments but i think that the believable yeah those nitpicky

896
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:14,680
i think they're honing on that that's my thing do you have enough uh no yeah i mean to me it's easy

897
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:22,680
to understand why critics like this movie but and it's it's it takes more thought to understand why

898
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:29,240
in my mind at least why audiences don't like this because the reason being is when you have head

899
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:37,880
exploding when you have the stabbing in the head and then you know that gruesome look to the guy

900
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:42,120
and all of that and there's a couple others you know obvious things in this movie that are really

901
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:49,960
brutal like those are so stylish to me that that's why it's more like i'm on i don't care as much

902
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:57,160
about the like realisticness of the plot stuff that you're talking about but i i completely agree

903
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,480
with you that i think audiences don't like this because they're like oh it's unrealistic like how

904
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:07,320
could she have like fundamentally how could she survive didn't fall that high with an impalement

905
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:14,040
and still live to live another day live to fight again and you just can't get past that you know

906
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:18,040
yeah and i think i find myself more and more especially through this conversation getting

907
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:23,720
past it you know and whatever saying you know you didn't and i didn't have that much hang-ups to be

908
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:28,920
and there was like a couple little hiccups rather than hang-ups a little like whatever you can we

909
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,760
can move on hopefully it just goes away and whatever and drink some water just a little bit

910
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:38,760
of gas a little bit of gas that's all but uh it's yeah it's i think through this conversation

911
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:44,760
we've kind of tapped into what it's doing as a whole um but those yeah those finer elements

912
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:50,200
i think yeah it may kind of make sense while it's polarizing too like not everyone's gonna like this

913
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:55,480
movie it's not a movie that i'd be like i'd recommend to everybody like no definitely not

914
01:07:55,480 --> 01:08:00,440
because then you would almost feel like a psycho if you were you know like that's the funny thing

915
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,080
because i was thinking about it because we're at the point of the podcast where i'm thinking

916
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:07,480
about my score right and thinking about how i feel about this movie and that's why i wanted to

917
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,800
have this little conversation before we get into people like specifically telling us how they feel

918
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:17,480
about it totally yeah like inform us but like yeah we can give our score first if you want no no no

919
01:08:17,480 --> 01:08:25,640
it's okay but like it is a gross fucking movie yeah and it's weird to recommend it or like and

920
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:29,880
it is weird to think because i'm gonna hold true because that's how i feel in life is like i'm gonna

921
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:36,200
hold true to how i feel about this regardless of how people think about it but like i get not liking

922
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:45,800
this movie fundamentally on the basis of it is very gory very gross has a rape scene in it so that

923
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:51,320
for some people it's gonna be like uh definitely no thanks hard pass like you know i'm not gonna how

924
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:56,360
could i like this movie that has that has that kind of content in it and so i just think that

925
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:02,840
this is again a wonderful movie to do on this podcast because it is definitely it yeah like

926
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:09,800
it this movie is definitely not for everyone and it makes sense why it's polarizing and um yeah

927
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:18,520
good time yeah yeah totally agree uh well uh let's share some critic reviews from the spicy 90s side

928
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:26,840
um we'll start with los angeles times katie walsh a 90 this rape revenge story swaps points of view

929
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:31,240
but it doesn't break the mold the characters archetypes and beats are familiar which allows

930
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:38,360
uh far far yet farjot to play with symbolism in a bold pointed manner that's the director far

931
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:47,800
of a job um let's see from let's don't go with vanity fair and 80 from chaos and collins

932
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:53,960
farjot gets her thrills from all the bad things that make her genre great cinematography that's

933
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:59,480
rancid with heat and color sound design that delights in every exaggerated crunch and squish

934
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,040
i'm really happy they're bringing up the sound design because that's something that we didn't

935
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:11,240
really talk about at all but uh we've touched on it like the no sound and the her getting chased

936
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:19,160
and you know your ear shot off and then the water in and out of that and um i that all that stuff

937
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:29,400
adds to it so much and and uh in this in a subtle and almost um subconscious way um yes because that

938
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:36,600
also too is part of this uh like cinema extreme genre is sound was brought up when i was looking

939
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:42,760
at like a characteristics of it and also in particular because the rape scene in this is

940
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:48,280
actually very much of that where it specifically mentions that something that happens in cinema

941
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:58,760
extreme is when it comes to something like a violent sexual act you lean on not showing the act

942
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:07,160
it's like visually showing it but to include the sound of it because they feel like what your mind

943
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:16,840
does at that point is more is more evocative than if we were to just show it to you like in that

944
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:23,080
moment let we're going to do this thing where you're actually going to pick up the the ball

945
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:29,240
and take yourself to that place and we're just going to include the sound further than they ever

946
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:35,000
could because yeah you're in there in yourself what what a little come up in the machinations

947
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:41,720
that can come up with are so much more frightening than anything anybody can objectively do when it's

948
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:47,560
a certain thing artistic things that are so subjective i think that's that's just smart

949
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:54,360
smart filmmaking yeah he walks away puts on the race and then jumps in the water and drowns out

950
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,600
drowns it out at much like i'm sure the audience wants to do in that moment too

951
01:11:59,480 --> 01:12:06,360
right which then also puts you in like you're such a like accomplice to it and then makes you feel

952
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:13,400
an accomplice in another type of way about it and it just really so in nuance like it's crazy to see

953
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:22,760
such a graphic sexual violence in that way that is so blunt but so nuanced at the same time really

954
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:29,560
fascinating stuff let's do new york times a.o scott with an 80 revenge leaves a lurid punchy

955
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,800
after image an impression somewhere between righteous delight and quivering revulsion

956
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:39,800
it's both a challenge and a calling card in which miss farjah at once exposes what's wrong with her

957
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:46,840
chosen genre and demonstrates her mastery of it wow that's what critics are there for that i really

958
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:54,920
like to they just they put that where you're using the form to almost sat satirize it

959
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:03,640
in a way um from hollywood reporter david rooney in 80 this is a rape retaliation thriller both

960
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:10,040
tautly controlled and wildly over the top execute executed with flashy style sly visual humor and

961
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:19,480
subversive feminist sensibility um let's do one more because it's from the atlantic with the 70

962
01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:29,080
from our dear dear hero david sims um no we i'm standing i'm i know i'm simping sims oh he

963
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:33,960
wouldn't like this how would i know swerving between thrill a minute action and intense drawn

964
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:39,400
out suspense revenge has all the subtlety of a bazooka to the face but it's an arresting watch

965
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:46,680
if you can stomach its most lurid moments of violence yep nailed it yeah let's check out the

966
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:54,040
audience side of things where you know you you see some other places on on the web and they know

967
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:59,320
they're not quite so harsh uh it's rated a little bit more favor favorably some places like amazon

968
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:08,280
um but on rotten tomatoes it is a what was it a 53 58 sorry 58 um let's hear from some

969
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:19,320
people are not so spicy a little bit more icy uh from kaya tim sing flora 75

970
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:26,120
one star out of five wow i mean wow she is wounded like in the lumbar region of the abdomen but she

971
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:30,200
took out the branch of the tree as if she is a surgeon herself she escaped the place from three

972
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:35,560
men point to be noted that she is wounded she cuts her own abdomen and seals it with a beer can and

973
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:42,600
most surprisingly she gets a nice tattoo in that place at the atm she was at the moment she was

974
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,440
doing the surgery with a knife and cutting the stomach however she wants she also travels a long

975
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:50,520
way to find them not to be forgotten that they were in the middle of the desert and she finds them

976
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:55,560
she travels even after losing so much blood i think probably i studied that a human body has five

977
01:14:55,560 --> 01:15:01,240
liters of blood but this amazing woman has gotten more than that this whole movie should have been

978
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:08,360
a comedy movie that was like hard to even get through because it didn't make it was just like

979
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:13,800
not full sentences it was 70 people found that helpful though um and then there's like another

980
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:18,760
one like here from julius casual log of five or sorry one star out of five what a big joke of a

981
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:24,680
movie she is a mutant and then goes on to like list all those the cinema sins and what's wrong with

982
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:31,320
it she should not have survived the fall blah blah blah apparently has 100 more times more blood

983
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,920
than a normal person she got a huge hole in her stomach which heals completely like this is

984
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:39,400
yeah these are a lot of the reviews that we're gonna find here are the are gonna be these knit

985
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:45,080
that we're gonna find here are the are gonna be these knit nitpicky sort of things um from senti

986
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:51,000
m chin one star well at least i managed to finish it before i could waste more time fast forward

987
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,920
is it even possible to survive after that fall and more shocking the amount of blood she lost is

988
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:59,880
more than 10 times a normal human has and that tattoo she all this this is the same review and

989
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:04,200
the tattoo that she got from that can and how that gaping hole both in front and the front and behind

990
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:10,280
just managed to heal had me in splits i mean can the human skin and flesh melt and join like plastic

991
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:18,760
it's all just so funny and unrealistic gosh what a lie for a movie um i'll do like one maybe two

992
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:23,880
more but they like i just went through like five and even some i didn't i not reading reading the

993
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:28,360
loud and stuff where it's just really those same same nitpicks and i feel like an idiot not an

994
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:34,920
idiot sorry but i just feel like me echoing some of those points too it's it's i've sound like some

995
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:39,000
of these people but i liked it a lot more than them it's just a bummer that they can't get over

996
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:45,400
some of the stuff um from jenna fox one star out of five the main character is unlikable she is

997
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:50,840
knowingly dating a married man and parades around half naked around his friends and grinds on them

998
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:55,960
yet she acts shocked when they want to have sex with her okay oh boy oh we okay

999
01:16:55,960 --> 01:17:01,880
yeah okay that's where we're gonna just push off yeah i'm sorry about that i don't even have to

1000
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:08,440
read i'm sorry i'm reading i should i should vet no it's apologize for somebody else's opinion that

1001
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:13,800
you don't share don't apologize but if anything i'm glad that you brought it up but we should now

1002
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:20,680
move away from it because of how disgusting that take is because yeah it's like oh okay so because

1003
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:26,680
it's like the argument like well she what she was wearing she asked for it like mentality you're

1004
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:33,080
like fuck off like that is crazy to me that that that is in there i mean it's that everyone has

1005
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:37,560
their opinion and they can share it share it outwardly onto the onto the internet and then

1006
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:43,160
to get into it it's it's kind of surprising i think that has been surprising in the audience side

1007
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:50,840
this stretch has been how people interpret the villains in these movies every time i feel like

1008
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:57,560
in these in these revenge movies there's some and maybe a little bit more understandable with a movie

1009
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:05,080
like law abiding citizen where that movie is really trying to get you to like kind of under like you

1010
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:11,880
get how jar butler jerry b got sympathized with like um and and and there's a lot of people that

1011
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:21,160
were on his sign and those reviews you got road rager russell crow uh you know his his whole thing

1012
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:24,600
and people signing with that it's just it's interesting seeing people go go through the

1013
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:31,880
mental gymnastics to to rationalize some of that stuff but then have such a fucking issue

1014
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:42,280
issue with fucking a cool fucking beer can you know right but branding you know god forbid

1015
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:48,360
yeah but you could watch kill bill and she blows out through a coffin in the ground

1016
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:57,240
and like but there's a half hour explanation for that sure but like okay you're being funny

1017
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:05,880
like you know you get what i'm getting oh i know oh i know yeah it's and the thing too is like these

1018
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:11,640
same reviewers could easily have been on the positive side for law abiding citizen being like

1019
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:18,040
oh it made sense it was like so realistic yada yada yada that's so cool how he burrowed into

1020
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:22,280
a prison and got into maximum security and burrowed himself out through those same tunnels even though

1021
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,840
like you think about that a little bit further i don't know there's a lot about that movie you

1022
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:31,640
you think a little bit further and this one is just not i don't know it's not asking too much

1023
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:38,600
this movie i feel like but it's not and it give it it get in my mind gives you way more back than

1024
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:45,560
in like you assumed or you're asking for in my mind like i came out of it expecting it to be

1025
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:57,960
not yeah not what it ended up being so yeah yeah yeah i'm glad i did not overly spoil what this

1026
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:02,920
movie was going to be i didn't reach any descriptions and i and i saw the trailer kind of halfway through

1027
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:07,320
before i watched it and i would recommend the same to you you've already listened to the podcast so

1028
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:13,560
it doesn't matter who i'm talking to but um i've found that way in most movies lately and and uh

1029
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:20,920
uh just uh knowing knowing less the is is better and um some of these in some horror movies and

1030
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:26,600
this is in a way horrifying like and these are monsters monster big monster men that are are

1031
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:36,680
horrifying and uh and and the methodry and and the way that she goes about doing it and the brutality

1032
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:42,360
of it all is is much more warranted than uh than some of the stuff in law abiding citizen where it

1033
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:50,120
is so like consuming to him where this is something where she just yeah i've i've said that before but

1034
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:55,720
let's um let's let's give her a little our own little final thoughts here you want to start us off

1035
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:57,880
sure i'll start us off um

1036
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:08,040
this movie just ceases to surprise me as i think about it more because like i was thinking about

1037
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:20,440
the flaws of the movie and its inadequacies but weirdly i can ascribe those how i feel about those

1038
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:28,520
things in the movie if i think about it enough to it actually is like the point of it or the purpose

1039
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:39,640
of why those things are the way that they are and that's let me give an example so you know what

1040
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:47,400
it's um let me think so what would be a good example of that is like yes so at first like at

1041
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:55,160
first the male gazing presentation of her you know at first you're like well how can this be a feminist

1042
01:21:55,160 --> 01:22:01,560
movie like she just seems like such an object and also who her character is like all her dreams and

1043
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:08,200
hopes is really just to become a model in la and like it's so one-dimensional and it's so whatever

1044
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:17,960
but it ends up like as i think about it working for the movie because then her making the shift

1045
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:25,480
into the person she ends up needing to become from where she came from just says so much about what

1046
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:32,920
the movie is trying to say and i i'm having a hard time thinking about more specific things but

1047
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:44,120
overall like i don't that's it's so much credit to the movie that if i were to yeah so but yeah okay

1048
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:52,440
okay but what i will say though that i maybe oh here's another example too is and i'm still

1049
01:22:52,440 --> 01:22:58,840
oscillating between whether or not this is like a like a bad thing about the movie or again it just

1050
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:04,120
works for what the movie's trying to say is is that something that i noticed while we were like

1051
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:12,040
in the like throws of it and she is competently like taking out these terrible guys the movie

1052
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:18,760
still like focuses in on her ass and like still makes her a sexual object and at that point i just

1053
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:28,440
i i i still kind of find it weird where i'm like oh but the movie still like is focusing on that

1054
01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:34,920
and that's weird now because that's not what the movie should be focusing on but again as i think

1055
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:45,000
about it i'm like that's what like male like kind of vigilante you know action movie kind of stuff

1056
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:51,640
does it's like they still kind of focus on this like sexy machismo of men even though they're like

1057
01:23:52,680 --> 01:24:00,920
killing people or needing to focus on rescuing somebody but it still just presents them as like

1058
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:11,320
you know you know strong sasiks um you know so masculine and so it's makes sense why the movie

1059
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:18,440
still kind of presents her as being like sexy and cool and you know whatever and yeah it just

1060
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:23,400
as i think about this movie more i continue to just be like this is really interesting and cool

1061
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:27,800
like i don't yeah it's definitely hard to recommend to people because then i just feel like

1062
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:34,600
like i'm recommending a very very gory movie with a rape scene in it and like how much do i want to

1063
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:41,320
be a champion of it but i what is this brand in a snuff film what did you give me i just imagine

1064
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:46,520
like oh you've got to check out this 2017 movie called revenge it's really fucking good and then

1065
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:54,440
somebody is somebody coming back and be like you like this movie like what and being like oh i like

1066
01:24:54,440 --> 01:25:01,400
wasn't it cool though and i don't know i'm i'm throwing that out i just want to be with somebody

1067
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:08,200
who to see like i wish i was with someone to to have a reaction to the beer can being emblazoned

1068
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:14,040
on her belly i would i want to i feel like once that happens you're either on or off you're

1069
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:23,000
totally um so okay again as i think about it movie gets honestly better what i will say why i'm not

1070
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:36,040
going to give it like super super high of a score is her as a character is there it has a plainness

1071
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:47,560
to the to her that i think could have been filled with a i just get the sense that there's another

1072
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:55,400
version of this movie where she maybe talks more to somebody else or there's some inclusion of her

1073
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:05,400
ha like a like expressing a character development or having at least maybe even giving more like

1074
01:26:07,480 --> 01:26:12,280
more of a performance about how she feels about something because a lot of this movie

1075
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:17,720
is her very very stoic being like i need to like survive and i'm going to go through the

1076
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:22,280
through that process to get there and so i'm not going to give it terribly high because of that

1077
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:28,360
because like you can honestly put a lot of people in her role if i were to put it simply and it

1078
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:33,800
wouldn't necessarily change as long as they just like clearly do the actions that need to happen

1079
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:40,200
in this movie so like the leading performance is if it's interchangeable i think that's a knock on

1080
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:48,200
this movie for me but i since because of the scale of it it isn't really that big of an issue so i

1081
01:26:48,200 --> 01:26:54,440
just want that to be said i also yeah like i think the villain is very good so that acting is fine

1082
01:26:54,440 --> 01:26:58,520
but yeah i don't know for some reason i wanted to i just yeah there's i think there's something a

1083
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:04,760
little bit more that i would like there but honestly man i'm gonna give this like this like an 88

1084
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:13,800
hell yeah like yeah what a ride this movie was something i've never really seen before

1085
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:20,520
i was really enthralled with it yeah you're so twisted i'm fucking twisted

1086
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:31,160
uh this was one where i don't even know how you would have heard of it when it came out

1087
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:37,960
unless you were a shutter head or something like that um and it's i'm just happy that uh we were

1088
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:44,040
able to watch it and talk about it for this this podcast already it's worth seeing uh yeah

1089
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:50,360
i totally am right there with you or maybe not to everybody i wouldn't recommend to everybody

1090
01:27:51,560 --> 01:28:00,120
but there's just so many tasty nuggets of of good stuff in here and it fits the bill of what

1091
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:08,120
a revenge movie should be and then also gives you a subversion of that and then something more with

1092
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:18,760
uh her her fighting for her life and being a victim of rape and abuse and having that those

1093
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:28,360
tables turn so quickly is a is a horrifying truth of of being a woman as well and and to be put in

1094
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:36,760
that in that situation um i think was was something that was worth having a movie about even just let

1095
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:44,680
alone that but then to stylistically plus it up the way they did uh really kept me on board and

1096
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:49,640
in a way that i i wanted some of these other movies that we did in our little series here

1097
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:56,600
to do a lot better and had a lot more promise to be something like this uh something like unhinged

1098
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:03,640
where i still in many ways have a good time with that movie but it is gray and boring to look at

1099
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:11,560
and not not very fun to see and when you hear a movie about a crazed road rager i would want uh

1100
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:17,800
whoever this suffices to be directing that movie or something like i i like this voice that who

1101
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:25,240
that is behind making this movie and i and i like the consistent tone that is is throughout uh

1102
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:32,520
because of that voice and it is messy and not in a little rough around the edges at parts and

1103
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:38,920
the scale again is small and that kind of speaks to a little bit of like a a really

1104
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,680
fucking good student film sort of thing i don't mean that any sort of sort of way but being on

1105
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:48,120
one location um maybe just lower budgets or i should even say student film just like lower budget

1106
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:55,160
and it and that those limitations perk me up too knowing that someone can make something like this

1107
01:29:55,160 --> 01:30:00,840
on what seems like uh nothing too crazy of a of a budget but having a house and going around

1108
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:08,600
shooting shit in the desert and making it uh enthralling and uh shocking and horrifying and

1109
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:19,400
uh entertaining and amusing uh and a lot a lot of and and even grotesquely humorous at at at times

1110
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:24,040
where you're kind of just like shocked to the point of like laughing and i and i'm trying to

1111
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:28,520
remember which point i think it would know it was the glass where where he was trying to dig his

1112
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:34,280
that glass out of his foot and i was like just yelling like come on dude like come on and really

1113
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:41,720
come on come on look at it he's sick fucks it was just cracking me up when he got it out and it was

1114
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:48,120
just like oh and he like cracked a smile and it was like man the movie just halted so hard that

1115
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:54,600
he was able to like breathe the silent relief before getting on with the the rest of that that

1116
01:30:55,480 --> 01:31:04,120
fucking nut so uh back and forth between those two and it it paced itself well it ended and got out

1117
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:09,320
when it needed to and the action started early enough where i wasn't waiting for anything to

1118
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:14,520
happen either so um yeah and all that said and like uh why why i guess it's not going to be perfect

1119
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:22,680
for me uh you know i i think it is some of those like taste things where it's like some of the

1120
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:28,680
the overtop grotesque nature of some of the graphic elements is is like not my taste and so when i see

1121
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:33,880
it overdone a little bit i'm i even if it's to that effect and even in tarantino movies or whatever

1122
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:42,200
some of that stuff i'm just kind of like uh you know it's it's it's not my cup of tea always and

1123
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:47,480
there was a couple moments in here where i thought it maybe went a little too far just like the in

1124
01:31:47,480 --> 01:31:56,120
the mano e mano at the end um and i i don't know it's just not and it as i say with the scale and

1125
01:31:56,120 --> 01:32:01,960
everything there's something to be said where they could have dug in on a couple things here and there

1126
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:08,360
uh a little bit more and that's so hard for me to say because saying that means maybe that would

1127
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:12,840
take away from the pace or some other elements of it and it's so hard to restructure a movie in that

1128
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:20,760
way um but i think it's just it's a perfectly i think it's an 82 movie for me i i think it's

1129
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:25,640
it's one of those things that um i don't know if there is a perfect version of this movie for me

1130
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:32,280
anyways but it's right of what this material is to be honest and to make me interested enough and

1131
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:38,520
to get me up to an 82 with a movie that's that's so intense like this and about about something that

1132
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:45,400
uh i wouldn't necessarily be running to the the hills to to see uh i think speaks to

1133
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:52,600
the director's qualities and uh how excited i am to see if if she does if and when she does more

1134
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:58,200
stuff um and i i had a great time talking about it it's one of those movies that's worth watching

1135
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:02,840
with somebody or talking about it uh with if you got a podcast i'd recommend it because this was

1136
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:07,560
nice and cathartic to just get it get it out of my system a little bit of of the some of the shit

1137
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,720
that happens and in this movie that really i don't really like not many people have seen

1138
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:18,040
too totally i was like chomping at the bed last night like mentioning it to you having

1139
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:24,920
yeah you hadn't seen it where i was at it oh my god this movie is something else is how i framed

1140
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:29,240
it of like dude yeah i was like i can't tell if he likes it or hates it this is gonna be interesting

1141
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:34,600
yeah i want to keep neutral because yeah i mean because this movie has the ability to go so many

1142
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:39,560
ways right that's why we do these movies too in general like they're polarizing movies so really

1143
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:46,440
yeah i don't want to like it you know telegraph yeah yeah telegraph or like kind of like taint

1144
01:33:46,440 --> 01:33:50,920
the water of your viewing i wanted you to just experience i was that much more excited yeah

1145
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:56,360
yeah but that's that is all the only thing i wanted to yeah expressing that was like

1146
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:01,800
i'm excited to talk about this for better or for worse i'm excited to talk about this because this

1147
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:09,560
movie is so strong in a lot of ways and it could be interpreted as strong and like oh hate this

1148
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:16,200
don't like it or oh wow interesting i love this so yeah well uh now that we've reached the end of our

1149
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:23,160
series before i announce the next movie i was going to try to see if we could rank uh ranking

1150
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:28,680
our revenge movies real quick why don't you go first because i like uh told you to be all ready

1151
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:33,240
for it and i'm not even fully ready myself so why don't you go first absolutely ready it's going to

1152
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:40,680
go for me from uh top to bottom or bottom to top i'm going to do t to b um best to worst i'm going

1153
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:51,800
to go revenge law abiding citizen uh unhinged punisher i'm going to do from t to b revenge

1154
01:34:52,520 --> 01:35:00,600
i think i'm going to go uh unhinged then law abiding citizen then the punisher that's the

1155
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:07,240
only switch i think i'd switch law abiding citizens unhinged but yeah yeah yeah i don't know

1156
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:11,400
it's weird i like there's something about law abiding citizen even after watching or i'm like

1157
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:17,400
i kind of want to like it more but there's something weird about it that just is so upsetting

1158
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:25,480
and fucked up that when i think too hard about it i then i make makes me want to puke yeah for me

1159
01:35:25,480 --> 01:35:31,720
it's like there are situ there are moments in law abiding citizen that are really theatrical and

1160
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:40,600
large and like and then like a roller coaster to watch yeah as opposed to unhinged which i think

1161
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:50,920
overall yeah well if that movie's doing i think is more interesting but law abiding citizen where i

1162
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:59,400
landed on it was i think i enjoy law abiding citizen more than fair i think a lot i think

1163
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:06,440
i think most people would agree with you but for our next venture as the polarized pod we are

1164
01:36:06,440 --> 01:36:14,920
shifting gears and we are doing some shameless uh collab collaboration with our other podcast

1165
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:22,920
prod pod which is about music producers where our next episode will be about barry gordy and in

1166
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:30,520
preparation for our barry gordy episode of our other musical podcast we're going to do uh three

1167
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:40,440
movies uh that all have barry gordy's fingerprints all over it um and we're going to be starting with

1168
01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:49,080
the very first one will be mahogany uh directed by the man himself and it is it has a 30 by critics

1169
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:57,240
it has a 76 by audience uh came out in 1975 and we don't really get movies on this podcast very

1170
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:03,480
often uh that came out before rotten tomatoes because you you get it you know they didn't really

1171
01:37:03,480 --> 01:37:11,480
have a place to go to review it uh on at least as a as this big uh tomato site that we have now

1172
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:17,880
um i'll read the little description here struggling struggling chicago fashion design student tracy

1173
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:23,560
diana ross goes from rags to riches when a chance meeting with hot shot fashion photographer sean

1174
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:30,520
anthony perkins uh from psycho in the department store where she works leads to a runaway life as

1175
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:35,640
a model in rome tracy's overnight success and strong ambitions bring her professional success

1176
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:41,240
as a designer but her diva antics may destroy her relationship with social activist brian played by

1177
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:50,520
billy d williams as well as her respect in the fashion world directed by barry gordy uh yes 1975

1178
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:58,680
um diana ross billy d williams anthony perkins don't miss out on our episode next week uh if you

1179
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:05,000
want to reach us any other sort of way we're streaming this live on twitch.tv polarized pod

1180
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:11,720
typically it's been thursdays that are around five or six specific standard time um if you want to

1181
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:18,040
join us at any point there drop us a line at either twitter.com polarized pod or polarized

1182
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:26,680
the pod at gmail.com um it has been a true blast and pleasure to go on this revenge spree with you

1183
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:32,760
brandini oh i was gonna say again that uh podcast the other one we're doing is again about musical

1184
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:39,640
producers uh music producers musical producers we're not music yeah we haven't done andrew

1185
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:44,680
loyd reba yet we are getting there um we're doing music producers we've done diplo we've done

1186
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:49,560
todd rungren it's pretty early on we're about to do barry gordy it's called prod pod i'd recommend

1187
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:55,080
listening to it on spotify uh and we love you so much brandini is there anything else you want to

1188
01:38:55,080 --> 01:39:01,800
share before we we bid adieu how no you've yeah let people you've let the people know about the

1189
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:08,040
prod pod um that's a really fun time i'm excited to talk about barry gordy because uh spoiler

1190
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:14,280
alert i think the music that came out of motown is fundamental and in just music history and it's

1191
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:19,960
really some of the best stuff that has shaped the landscape of music uh for the better and it's

1192
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:25,080
going to be a really enjoyable time so check us out there um yeah and also please drop us a line

1193
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:29,640
let us know how we're doing that really helps us please um great review on apple podcasts

1194
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:36,200
and i will say too that this has been another episode uh that has been such a good time a blast

1195
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:44,280
it's i at times i'm like uh we end up having these really fun discussions for these critic rated

1196
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:50,600
movies but fuck it i love it it's so great to talk about something that is you know really

1197
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:59,240
adventurous and evocative and striking and worth mentioning talking about getting into it and i had

1198
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:05,000
a great time yeah we high i feel like we want to highlight this movie and uh in a way that that we

1199
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:12,040
can with whatever little power polarized pod has and um it's always fun as i said and cathartic to

1200
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:18,360
to hash it out together and kind of figure out some of the stuff too and um that's that's been

1201
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:23,400
a lot of fun hope you guys have been enjoying it as well we'll keep uh soldiering on

1202
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:27,480
and we'll we'll see you next time for mahogany

1203
01:40:27,480 --> 01:40:55,240
Oh

1204
01:40:57,480 --> 01:41:04,480
speed up never slow down

1205
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:08,480
speed up not slow down

1206
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:10,480
speed up

1207
01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:14,480
not slow down

1208
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:22,480
cyborgs and androids dance like machines

1209
01:41:22,480 --> 01:41:27,480
cyborgs and androids dance like machines

1210
01:41:27,480 --> 01:41:55,480
come dance with me

1211
01:41:55,480 --> 01:42:00,480
now we're gonna go watch nymphomaniac by lasvon trea

1212
01:42:00,480 --> 01:42:10,480
cyborgs and androids dance like machines

1213
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:12,480
song's sick

1214
01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:14,480
yeah it's grown on me

1215
01:42:14,480 --> 01:42:15,480
yeah

1216
01:42:15,480 --> 01:42:18,480
i think i was just like caught off guard when that came up i was like

1217
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:30,480
i expect like frank sinatra at this point