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Welcome to the podcast everybody, I am your host James, it's another sick ep of Polarize

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Pod, we're on a revenge tangent this time around, it's law abiding citizen, you clicked

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on the episode, you know what the deal is, last week we did Punisher, the week before

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was unhinged, these men are ANGRY and they are getting their vengeance, on the world at

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large in their minds it seems like, um, and this movie, let me get those numbies for ya,

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look at me, I don't even have those numbies, it's 26% by the critics, it's 75% by the

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audience, you know what that means, it's polarizing baby, we talk about polarizing movies, I gotta

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bring that up, what this whole shindig is about, what this whole system is built on

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man, is about those numbies, and there's these two sides that disagree with each other on

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every single movie that we talk about, it's those audiences, it's those critics, we talk

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about the movies that they disagree on the most, sometimes audiences love it or critics

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hate it or vice versa, they're always disagreeing and we try to parse it out, we try to litigate

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if you will, all in code, all within the code of the polarized law, that we, the kings of

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the polarized kingdom lay down, and it's enough, enough of me, this is not a solo act, this

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is a two piece, much like this movie, but whether me and my co-host disagree or not

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is yet to be seen or heard, but let me bring him in, he's uh, he's getting his, taking

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his shackles off right now, he's uh, he's coming in and uh, I got his nice steak on

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the, his $75 steak on the table here and his mac and cheese, asparagus, seem asparagus,

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and he's uh, he's ready to go, he is the great brandini!

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, here I am, ready to talk to those numbies, talk law abiding citizen,

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talk to hander, we got a Jerry B episode again, really close to our last Jerry B episode,

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so I'm pumped to be here, I'm pumped to talk about this, this whole series of-

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Another F Gary Gray movie too!

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Yeah, I was thinking about like our, so like crossovers in this movie to what we've done,

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so we've done an F Gary Gray before, because we did Men in Black International?

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Correct.

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Right, your favorite.

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My favorite!

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Give me more Pawnee!

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Yeah, give me more Pawnee!

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I have it, I have it on, you gave me a Pawnee, uh, what do you call those things?

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Pop, doll, I don't know, neither one of us are really collectors of them, I think they're

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called like pop.

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I kept it in the box for a bit, and I was like, that's what you do right?

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You keep it in the box, and then after a while I was like, I don't want this box, I want

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to play with it!

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Yeah, right, get, yeah, you gotta pull it out.

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Get this box out of here, get this goddamn box out of here.

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Get this pop doll, whatever it's called.

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And so yeah, he's chilling, he's over there somewhere.

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My favorite character in film.

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Yeah, we know this about you.

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Your favorite character.

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I wonder how I would feel about revisiting, I don't think I ever will.

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Yeah, I have no relishments.

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I'm curious if I was in a bad mood.

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There's certain movies that you wonder, you're like, oh, I kind of like this now, maybe I

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was in a bad mood, but there's something about Pawnee's face that just like kind of drives

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me insane.

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The pop doll is cute though, but I remember his face in the movie being upsetting and

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annoying overall.

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Well, cause and also too, the movie did that thing that I think you would agree that we'd

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both hate is where it like tries to be self referential and be like, isn't it so cool

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that we're doing this?

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Or, you know, let us introduce your new favorite character X, Y, and Z.

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And you're like, who's that?

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Like forced in comic relief and just that, just comic relief.

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He has some bullshit arc, but he like, it's pretty much at the end of every scene.

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He's like, well, that just happened.

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Hashtag random.

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Yes.

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Hashtag random for sure.

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What a great, yeah, absolutely.

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Oh, I mean, it's cool when you hear it like in a lethal weapon or something like I'm getting

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too old for this shit.

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I don't know.

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So there's like, there's cool ways to do, we're Bond movie fans.

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Like there's, we should know when, when there's a one liner that works or doesn't.

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And I think, yeah, Punisher was full of it last week.

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I'm curious.

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I'm just jumping all out.

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And I'm wondering at the end of this, we should, we should rank our movies that we've done

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throughout our for the revenge series of ours.

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For sure.

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I agree.

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We shouldn't.

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This whole series is fascinating because now it's like the tropes are really dialed in,

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Like now it's easy to expect between Punisher and this one.

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I mean, it's, it's the beginning itself is identical in some ways.

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It kind of makes the whole crux of it all.

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The first thing, right?

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And it really does make unhinged you more like unhinged uniqueness really is starting

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to come out because yeah, the Punisher this, and I don't know about the next movie, which

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is called revenge, how that's going to be.

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But yeah, next week.

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Sorry.

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I forgot.

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Great.

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Fantastic.

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So we're finishing off our series next week with aptly with a movie called revenge.

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Excellent.

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I know nothing about that movie.

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I was thinking even like the few that we watched, the difference with unhinged is that the movie

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language itself was telling you that this is a bad fucking dude and we should not in

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any way like him or, you know, if you are, there's some people that we, we saw reviews

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of that were empathizing with him so hard that they thought that he, I don't know, he's

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borderline in the right or like, you know, kind of just, yeah, it's the main character

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like, yeah, he's just kind of, but it's, I think those are more like rare, rare opinions

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in what the movie language itself is telling you is like, this guy is like, yeah, uh, a

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slap.

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It's like a slap, a monster.

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This guy is a monster.

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But in this one and well, the Punisher is a hero in that movie.

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Uh, he's taken out, he's just classic sense of the vigilante, the term vigilante and he's

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just taking, taking swift justice on his own and eating sardines with a knife and drinking

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bourbon wild turkey.

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Um, but this one is, it's just interesting that interesting is a good word for this movie.

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Yes, it is interesting.

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Thank you.

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And just like how it feels about Jerry, old Jerry Butler and his character is like, is

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he really quite a rollercoaster?

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I know he's the bad guy, but does the movie know that he's at certain points?

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Cause it's like, yeah, get it.

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Like it's the music that's playing and shit.

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Like sometimes it's like, is bad ass.

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Oh my God.

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They're cause he's, he's so like ahead of everybody.

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So he's like, he's the more intelligent character.

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He all of his, his motivation really, it isn't until like, I would say the like middle ish

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half of the second act where he starts like actually killing people that didn't need to

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be killed.

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Maybe it's like, yeah, it's like around there, like middle of the second act, right?

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Cause like before that it was, he was killing bad guys.

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So it's pretty much a Punisher's sense of, of motivation, but his methods, especially

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the first guy.

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Cause you're talking about the first guy as you know, whatever your, whatever your opinions

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about if someone deserves, someone deserves to die or not.

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And there's a public, there's the, I mean, there's the execution scene as well, lethal

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injection.

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So it's like, we don't even have to get into that, but like the methodology, we can, we

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This movie would want us to, wouldn't it?

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I know when the fucking pieces are.

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The, the methodology at which he does it is fucking brutal and intensely like, yeah, like

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to the point where it's, it's seven, but as if, you know, you saw Kevin Spacey the whole

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time and it played like some rock music or something occasionally, you're like, huh?

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And it's, I, it's cause it's got some, it got some, it's got some like wanting to be

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almost like a Fincher thriller sort of vibe.

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Very like, or, um, Nolan asked to, I'm at odds with that a little, a little bit.

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Cause it's truly horrific.

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A lot of the things that happened in this movie and it's far more like horrifying.

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A lot of the totally very gruesome stuff.

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And it, yeah, and it, it's so, it's so weird to start the movie and it is very clearly

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like he is a victim of a kill of his, like he's the victim and he's getting justice,

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but very quickly it goes, Oh, but this is how he gets justice.

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Wait a minute.

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This is not a good guy.

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And then, you know, also too, there's just all these little things start getting, yeah,

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no, not even little things because right off the bat.

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It just seems like, Oh, this guy's really fucked up and crazy.

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Like we got to watch out for him and doesn't make sense.

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Like yeah, I, it is so weird to think about the killings that do happen in this by Jordan.

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Um, and like the order of it seems like kind of like off.

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Like that, like, you know, kind of P putting it like chopping this guy up into pieces should

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have been like a, I don't know.

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Should we, should I got east into it a little bit?

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Yeah, that was not, that was like a real introduction to the new Jerry B Clyde or whatever his name

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is I should know.

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Um, yeah, who we didn't really even get to know at all 10 years prior aside from a, you

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know, bringing you into an extremely, you know, well, first it's a, it's a, you know,

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a naturally, uh, a scene that any, any natural family could relate to where you, you got

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your child making a bracelet and you're doing a little sovereign.

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You know, it's, it's what they do.

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That's a tinkerer.

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He's a tinkerer.

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He's teaching his daughter to tinker.

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They're tinkering and then it goes south really fucking quick.

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And so the tinkering, like I didn't pay too much mind to it because I was like, oh, he's

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just like a handy guy.

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Like he's a handy dad and you know, he's like doing kind of like crafts with his daughter.

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But then you start to realize like who Jerry B is.

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And then you're like, oh, that's why he's tinkering is because he's like this crazy,

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crazy undercover spy agent guy that revealed to me was really like wild, but at least it

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kind of validated how like methodical and complex right off the bat, his murder spree

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is like, you know, 10 years to prepare.

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I appreciated that time jump honestly.

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Me too.

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Because, because that to the benefit of the plot to his character, you don't really

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understand.

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Don't get what that means and what it takes, but at least it's better than the Punisher

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where it's like he gets shot and then he washes up on a beach and then the montage happens

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of him like creating a car and getting guns and then you just get it.

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But this was like 10 years has passed.

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So who knows who this guy is anymore?

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And what he's been festering on.

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Oh, God.

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It's such a weird.

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This is such a weird movie.

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Like the movie, it's so like, it's stereotypical.

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It's so stereotypic, like stereotypical, like off the bat of like this perfect idyllic

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family that's just having, you know, this blissful moment night and at home.

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And then they all just get rounded up and murdered brutally.

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Like, and then what does, what does he say?

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Slow knife stabs.

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And both of them.

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And then you, I mean, thank God you don't see anything with the kid besides the kid

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being taken away, but you can't fight fate, which is high.

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Just very, very deep to, I mean, I guess this may, that's, that's his thing that he says

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to people as he, as he kills them.

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This guy is like the worst guy you have to like make the person that he's about to dismember

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and torture in the most heinous way, the worst dude to even feel any sort of like, oh, he's

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doing the right thing here.

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Cause if it's anything less than that, then it's, you know, the, I'd be a lot harder for

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people to, I'm not even on board.

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I'm not on board.

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Like you just know, even the worst person does not deserve a fate as that is, that has

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given that.

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I don't know if that's a hot take or not, but I'm sure there's some reviews of people

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that just love this movie.

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They're like this mother fuck.

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And yeah, he fucking killed a child.

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I understand, but it's, uh, yeah.

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And murdered his wife.

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Like, and yeah, did it.

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And he was going to rape her too.

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But I mean, that's shocking how quickly we got into that.

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That is the cold open.

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Yeah.

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Like we're in minute three and it is family murder stabbing situation.

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Yeah.

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And it's, yeah, it really, I was like, Whoa, okay.

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Buckle up.

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We're, we're shooting off like a rocket in this movie.

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And you know, F Gary gray, like is, I'm starting to get a sense of his style now.

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Cause I've seen no fair amount of his movies and yeah, the guy is really such a like action

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stylistic, you know, all like a kind of, yeah.

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Michael Bay ish like ask, um, you know, some interest in like a lot of camera swings, um,

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a lot of like establishing shots that are moving relatively quickly.

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Um, man, and visually in this movie, like the Philadelphia stuff at that as a character,

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I was consistently blown away by this, like the rooms that they were in and whatnot because

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they just were insane rooms.

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Like every room seemed to be enormous, like a giant cavernous place.

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Every almost everywhere that they go.

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It was like a lot of court, courtrooms and kind of like the like very official places

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and even like, yeah, that table at the end I'm thinking of is, is, was very ornate that

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whole room of like, Oh, it's the top brass meeting on this floor in this war room of

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sorts.

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That's like, Holy shit, Philadelphia, like shit's shit's getting real or is yeah.

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Or maybe it's just like the, it's from the beginning of America.

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It's from when that table was made or some shit.

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Which is a long time for us.

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Okay.

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We're a little baby country.

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It's a long time.

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We're a baby country, but it is one of the oldest cities in America.

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And yeah, it like, it shows because there's so much like European and like Roman influence

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in the architecture where yeah, there's just these, a lot of columns, uh, these big ornate

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buildings with statues on it.

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And really, really honed in on that one statue.

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I'm not sure who that is.

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I should, I know.

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Yeah.

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I should know too.

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The guy with the hat on top of it.

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Yeah.

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I was like, Oh, look at that guy.

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That guy's cool.

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And he just sits on, he just seems so high up to like that guy.

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And the, yeah, that statue is like above like skyscrapers.

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It looked like an RGO.

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I immediately had to find out where the city was because it just was, it had so much like

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character to it because we got like, you know, there's abandoned warehouse buildings, a lot

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of stuff on the street, a lot of like shots of Jamie Fox walking around the courthouse

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and the courtroom.

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And then also to man that room where Jerry B is like meeting Jamie again to like do that

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negotiations and stuff.

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It's like this massive cage room.

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That was enormous.

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And that was really blown away for me.

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That was like, why is this guy so, I don't know.

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I was like, what is this room?

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This is a cage match of interrogations for this thing to exist.

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And what was outside of it?

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Nothing.

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It was just this, yeah, big empty and just a cage and then like bars on that.

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I'm outside of that.

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And it felt like Magneto should be inside of that or something.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Or like that room that dude, yes.

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Like there's so much Michael or not Michael Bay.

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There's so much Christopher Nolan kind of stuff like that, where, yeah, that room reminded

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me of like in Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises, like Dark Knight Rises where Scarecrow is

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like the judge and juror and he's in that room.

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And it's like this fucking enormous courtroom.

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And it's just like where I can't remember.

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There's like shit that's just stacked up to the ceiling.

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And it's just so crazy to conceptualize a room that is that large.

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Yeah, it's a lot of like leather and wood and it feel things like feel important or

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like the stature seems elevated a bit just being.

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Yeah.

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And those are I and I'm this cool conversation because I didn't really even fully resonate

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with that when I watch it.

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But now I am.

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And that's that's that's great.

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And yeah, you met I mean, you mentioned F Gary Gray and that's somebody that I guess

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I didn't fully that didn't resonate with me watching as I watched it.

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And I realized what he directed after.

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And yeah, I think it's kind of like hit or miss with me.

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Like there are certain movies that I with him that I really enjoy.

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And in like the Italian job, especially where I feel like it's it's honing in on this momentum

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that I think he tries to strive for in my mind, looking at his movies where there is

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a real energy from scene to scene that I think does work overall in his career.

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When I look at his his body of work and yeah, and he did a lot of music videos as well.

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And that's just like a lot of a lot of people.

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Yeah, like a lot of people.

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Michael Bay included, right?

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We talked about that big movie or music video guy.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, it's it's got a lot.

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It's a lot of momentum.

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I'm glad that you brought that up because this movie is not slow.

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Trying to think of it because I feel like there was yes, there was a part in particular

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that really like this movie moves.

331
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's the part where OK, but one part in particular, I really it stood out to me because I'm like,

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I feel like the plot just came to a screeching halt when Jamie Foxx and his like lawyer friend,

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I don't know what her like where she sits and and things like, you know, obviously they

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had that moment where they're like, who's going to take this case?

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And this whole time he's just bitching and moaning about and making a point like I don't

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take cases that I don't win and we heard about his fucking 98 percent win rate.

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I know you think you mean beat up, beat up.

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Right.

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Like, OK, yeah, Jamie.

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But they're like talking and she's.

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Getting to anybody saying like a lot of people are now dying.

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It has this is this really worth it?

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And like making him realize like you have a family, I have a family.

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There's all these people that's lives are at stake and the more you push at this, the

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more he's going to fight back, obviously, because he's shown that that's what he's all

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about.

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And they just have this like very slow kind of meditative moment.

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And I'm like, wait, why are we having this moment now?

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Like almost towards like this like really close to the very end of the second act.

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Like, yeah, ramping up to be like crazy going off.

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It does pick up again because the cars start exploding and that that whole scene is really

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something else because.

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Oh, yeah.

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That too.

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There's a fucking robot.

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He's got a robot.

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The robot.

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Oh, my God.

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Who's controlling this thing?

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Who is his associate?

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What is it?

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It's like a stamper from House of Cards talks about how, yeah, he'd like that.

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Yeah, that that part and reveal again of him being this like crazy super secret agent.

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Was really shocking because there's nothing in the movie.

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At least maybe I might have missed it, but like nothing talked about him being like this

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is what he's always been.

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Because we were just like, you know, to your point of like having the 10 years, like there's

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just an assumption of like, OK, so he is planning in those 10 years, this whole thing.

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And it kind of made me think of like, OK, maybe he's like mechanically inclined because

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we saw him working on the soldering shit and he's just had a lot of time to figure all

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of this stuff out.

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But yeah, it was so weird to then find out like, oh, but he's like kind of always been

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doing this and which was yeah, it was just kind of a weird thing to just turn to the

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dark to put all that energy towards this one thing for 10 years feasibly is he and he rearranged

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all of his whole life just to prove this point.

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And that's where it runs into the problem of reverse engineering.

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Some of those things to work in his benefit, which exactly was speaking of the dark night.

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You know, that's what people have criticized some of the Joker stuff in that movie about

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how would he have known some some of these things were going to happen or skyfall.

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I was.

383
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Yeah, I was going to say that.

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That's the other way.

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Well, is that that's the one where like the train comes like blows?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, I was thinking of that one as well.

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There's all these doors that have to open in order for Silva to like get like change

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costumes, move to another place.

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And then stuff is also like happening simultaneously for a bunch of people in order for them to

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get to a particular location where they meet their demise.

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And like, yeah, I don't know.

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It's.

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It's so.

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Oh, yeah.

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Reverse engineering is a great use of that because they are like that.

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I mean, or description keeps you in the palm palm of your of their hands when that stuff

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works well and you are it's it's such like a fine line to try to cross or like saying,

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you know, just staying in that pocket of being able to keep the audience guessing, but have

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them know just enough to to care what's going to happen next.

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And I in some ways, this movie does that really well.

402
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Yeah, and I and I see why people like it for that reason, because there is constantly one.

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He's always one step ahead.

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You're wondering what he's going to do next.

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There's something that they're always kind of questioning with him of like and they react

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like, oh, we'll put him into Max security and go, oh, that's just what he wants.

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That's just what he wants.

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And that that kind of stuff is satisfying.

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It's just again, my my beginning point and my kind of issue with this movie is kind of

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the language about it and how it views Jerry Butler and doing all of this stuff as as interesting

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as it is and as and for that matter, like Silence of the Lambs in a lot of ways is something

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that this this movie is kind of trying to be like.

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And yeah, like Anthony Hopkins in that in a lot of ways is like an interesting character.

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But in no ways like, are you like on his animal lector's side?

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Never.

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You're amused with him.

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You're entertained with his sick fuck attitude and how he handles certain things because

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he is so like high class, but he still feels this does these fucked up things in this in

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this way.

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And so that juxtaposition of those two things is fascinating.

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But I think there's this weird thing with Jerry Butler in this movie where it's like

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the movie is like, yeah, you want to see you want to see this fucking child murderer get

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chopped up into little bits.

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And you like I'm glad you don't see everything, but you get really close to like the the

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the tip of the knife, like a razor blade to the penis actions.

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Right.

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But it's also really bizarre to how he they juxtaposed the chopping up of the body and

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then the recital back and forth.

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I was really shocked.

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That was unsettling.

431
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Really?

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That's the those are the two things that are like.

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Yeah, either at opposite spectrums or like, but have similarities.

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It was so weird.

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The language I was being used there or like what it's trying to say by saying like.

436
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This recital him missing the recital.

437
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And that's another thing I really want to dig in with you.

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I'm going to take a break on the back to back because you get it.

439
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But oh, no, I was I was just going to say that before we move on to anything.

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But yeah, I was trying to figure out like, are they just saying this is happening at

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the same time?

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Is this the only parallel?

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And then when they open the curtains at the same time for both, I was like, oh, they're

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trying to say this is the same somehow of like conducting an execution, conducting a

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recital.

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It's like, oh, and I imagine like in the editing bay or whatever, they're just kind of like,

447
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yeah, this is so good right now.

448
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Like we got the music, which is diegetic to what's going on with execution in a way if

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we if we juxtapose it together.

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And the guy that's like orchestrating the whole execution and yeah, that was but continue

451
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to do your next.

452
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Oh, it was it was mind blowing to me as well and did not work in the way that I thought

453
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they wanted to for me.

454
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Yes.

455
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Yeah, totally.

456
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The so that OK, this concept has happened a lot in and some of the movies that we've

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done, you know, because we've talked like it.

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It happens and hook, I guess, you know, but the concept to me of a father missing a six,

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thirty, seven o'clock recital, you know, probably like middle of the week, whatever, because

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he's so wrapped up in work is a very weird concept to me because.

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If you were like you have a job and.

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In reality, I guess is what I should say is you can schedule to go to your daughter's

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recital at seven o'clock on a Wednesday like your especially if you're a lawyer, like the

464
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courts are for sure done at five o'clock like that's, you know, since it's a government

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thing, like there's a like hard stop on like litigation happening after a certain period

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of time.

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And every time like there's so many movies that do this where it's like, oh, this father

468
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:13,880
so like wrapped up in work, Jim Carrey and Liar Liar, Jim Carrey and Liar Liar.

469
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:21,120
And it's so the boss is ready to be heard that you just it just now comes off so like

470
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:30,120
corny and not unrealistic that a guy whose daughter has a recital can't pencil in an

471
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:34,560
hour and a half like at night to go to a recital.

472
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:40,400
And then also to then then that like set me off on a track of like him being involved

473
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,480
in so much stuff in this movie to where like he's an attorney.

474
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,480
Oh my God.

475
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,760
He always bringing that up to the first one.

476
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,560
Like crime scene.

477
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,280
And he's like involved in every fucking thing like he's always in the car.

478
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,680
I just put in my notes, Jamie Foxx is so involved.

479
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,360
Exclamation point.

480
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,360
He's like every step of the way, there's like not even people that are like responsible

481
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,780
for doing certain things.

482
00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:14,000
It's just he is there.

483
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,680
He's just there doing all of it.

484
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,760
And at no point is like, man, I really got to go see my family there.

485
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,920
He's just like, hey, guys, what do we do?

486
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,920
I mean, yeah, we're getting in this car and driving to this place and we're going to go

487
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,000
check out this thing.

488
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,120
And it's it's almost like he was a detective.

489
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,120
Oh, yeah.

490
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,320
He's an attorney lumped it together.

491
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,520
And the guy that was with him, who I like that actor, but he called me.

492
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,680
Yeah, he was just kind of utilitarian and not like he could have served a much bigger

493
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,640
purpose as the detective finding these things out and reporting to him as he's, you know,

494
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,080
trying to spend time with his family.

495
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,680
But he's I guess it just it shows how much of an asshole he really is that he's not going

496
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,680
to be there.

497
00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:00,280
But it's such a tried and true stereotype of missing the recital that it's it blows

498
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,600
my mind that even in what is this, 2009, this movie came out.

499
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,600
Yeah.

500
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,080
Like even then, that that kind of stuff is like, yeah, so family dies.

501
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,960
Father misses daughters recital.

502
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:19,040
Like I don't know, just all those things are just a sinew of stereotypes to to apply to

503
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,040
this thing.

504
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:28,000
But, you know, the the the mono E. Mono nature of it is really what him being there for everything

505
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,520
caters to.

506
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,560
But when we're talking about the cage match, which is kind of like, I guess, one of the

507
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,760
iconic scenes of this movie, because we stumbled upon YouTube, where it's like five million

508
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,120
views, just the interrogation scene or whatever the them.

509
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,280
But at that point, you're like, OK, so I guess he's right.

510
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,680
You see, representing him.

511
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:50,080
It would have been nice, it would have been nice to have like, like there was just barely

512
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,360
one conversation, I think, between him and his kind of like mentor guy, whatever he was

513
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,360
about him.

514
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,840
He's like, OK, I'm going to go for it, whatever.

515
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,600
But like, there could have been more attention of like, fuck, like why?

516
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,120
Like do I have to be the one that's going to do this right now?

517
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:11,840
Like, yeah, if any of you would need a lawyer to deal with this shit like he should.

518
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:12,840
I don't know.

519
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:13,840
I don't know.

520
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:14,840
I'm no expert.

521
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,440
I'm no expert either.

522
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,920
But I'm just a law abiding citizen.

523
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,600
I think it's that kind of stuff that I lean towards the critics that talk about the absurdist

524
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,640
nature of this movie, because when you when you think about this just a little bit, it

525
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,760
starts to fall apart of like, yeah, why isn't there more people involved in this story that

526
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,600
are like, that's their job?

527
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:42,720
Like, yeah, why isn't there more of a detective that is like more present, more active in

528
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,480
the story that is like finding out all of the stuff that Jerry B is like kind of set

529
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,920
up in the world?

530
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,880
And then also to yeah, that's such a good point of like.

531
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,680
Jamie Foxx is an attorney.

532
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,880
Why is he doing the things that he's doing?

533
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,880
Because yeah, what is he?

534
00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:59,880
Who is he representing?

535
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:07,080
He like, I guess the state, but like, that's not really how that becomes a D.A. later.

536
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,680
Like he's just pursuing it in such a way that he's chasing down leads like he's the

537
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,080
there when Jerry B gets arrested, like he shows up and see and see some whole whole

538
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,520
hog arrested.

539
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,800
That's that's he's like he's like, this is all part of my plan.

540
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,800
I'm going down naked.

541
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Right.

542
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,600
Yeah, he writes that down.

543
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,000
He's like, I'm going to get totally nude for this part.

544
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,480
But he shows up for that.

545
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,360
And there's like plenty of other instances where it's just there would have been a conversation

546
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:42,000
before or some sort of tension built up of like, hey, man, like, I shouldn't be a part.

547
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,200
I should be witness protection with my family.

548
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,280
Like what else do you need for me?

549
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,120
Like I'm a witness in a lot of ways because I represented him previously and I can give

550
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,480
you information, but I should get the fuck out of here too and go witness protection

551
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,160
with with my family and get out of here.

552
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,240
But he just takes the onus.

553
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:06,040
And then the and then the detectives themselves are so distant in this movie that for a period

554
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,560
of time, I was convinced that they were on Jerry B's payroll somehow.

555
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,560
Right.

556
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,960
I was like, not doing anything.

557
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,160
Yeah, they were just they were following whatever Jamie Foxx.

558
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,800
At first, they kind of had that like is or I don't know, the FBI, they were the FBI.

559
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,520
They're like, yeah, fuck you.

560
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,520
We know we're doing that.

561
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,640
By the end, they're like, what should we do next, Jamie Foxx?

562
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,080
We don't know what to do.

563
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,160
And then they find the tunnels and yeah, but yeah, none of that makes any fucking sense.

564
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,880
Like, yeah, I mean, there's a momentum, like obviously, it's Jamie Foxx, like and and you

565
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,040
know, you know, he's the second lead in this movie or the lead in the movie.

566
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,360
And so you want him there.

567
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:54,080
But yeah, it just really, yeah, suffer speaking from if you think about what's going on even

568
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,160
a little, you're like, oh, this doesn't make any sense why he would be doing the things

569
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,400
that he's doing.

570
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,400
So interesting.

571
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,400
Yeah.

572
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,280
And then we talked about the opening.

573
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,160
We talked about the interrogation like his his issue.

574
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,360
And like, do we want to talk about anything like anything like what his actual issue is

575
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,400
with with everything and like why he wants to bring the whole system down?

576
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,560
Oh, we got it.

577
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,560
Yeah.

578
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:24,360
I mean, the main the yeah, I mean, the main guy who did everything is getting off for

579
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:31,120
like because some of some DNA, it's like a DNA fuck up, like it was an inclusive DNA

580
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,440
sample or something like that.

581
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:40,200
So this one guy's DNA was for sure didn't actually do the slow stabbing and the murders

582
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,200
itself was was an accomplice.

583
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,200
I don't know.

584
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,640
I don't know a lot of the terminology, but he's going to be the one that's going to

585
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:50,640
be done.

586
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,720
So and he gets executed later on.

587
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:58,280
And then the guy who actually did all this can get like five years for kind of whatever,

588
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,640
like informing kind of.

589
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,000
And he's like, this is their best deal.

590
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,120
If we want to pursue it further than it could, none of them could get any justice or any

591
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,400
any punishment or any any any sort of time.

592
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:19,040
And so Jerry B is naturally emotional and upset about it because he watched it all happen

593
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,240
and we all watch it happen.

594
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:28,720
And then he sees Jamie Foxx shake the hand of the of the of the dude that did the dirty,

595
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,520
the real dirty, the worst thing like you could possibly do.

596
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,120
He's like the worst guy in the world is this guy.

597
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,120
And yeah.

598
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,800
And why did he have to take that picture?

599
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,800
Why did he do?

600
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,120
Oh, no, you're you're my cut out.

601
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,000
Oh, you got too excited.

602
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,800
Did my my my cut out, didn't it?

603
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,800
Yeah, yeah.

604
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,800
I was OK.

605
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,560
I I do a lot of hand gestures.

606
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,040
I smacked the wire away from as long as you can hear me again.

607
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,040
That's good.

608
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,600
Why did they take that picture is my question.

609
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,680
Like why is that picture even a thing?

610
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,200
Why would he why would he shake that guy's hand and take a picture?

611
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,240
Why would there be like a photo op for that?

612
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:11,240
Right.

613
00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:12,240
Absolutely.

614
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:13,240
No sense.

615
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:14,520
And why Jamie Foxx as a lawyer would agree to that?

616
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,520
Like it's the game.

617
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,600
He fucking says it makes zero sense.

618
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,920
I mean, the language of the movie is saying that Jamie Foxx is part of the system.

619
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,040
All he cares about is his own like name.

620
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,760
He only is he's doing whatever it takes to just win cases, whether it's the right thing

621
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,560
or the wrong thing to do.

622
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:39,160
And then that is like the foundation of like the you know what the thesis of this movie

623
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,160
is that the justice system doesn't work for people.

624
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,800
It works for.

625
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,120
Yeah, it works.

626
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,400
Against people, really.

627
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,680
Like it doesn't care about people, I guess, is bureaucratic bullshit.

628
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:59,880
That's like a it's a it's a it's a swamp and Jerry B is going to clean it out.

629
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:06,680
And it's all you got to go through these yellow this yellow tape to be able to get anything

630
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:07,680
done.

631
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,920
You got to buy by whatever this this fucked up system is.

632
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,720
And he gets he sees from afar the picture.

633
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,480
Ten years pass by.

634
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:25,800
He harnesses that rage and propels it forward.

635
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,560
During the execution, he mangles the.

636
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,120
Except the like serum.

637
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,920
Make it even worse than before.

638
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,080
And we have this it's going to be a certain order.

639
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,120
And then I think it like went in the wrong order or something like that.

640
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,120
Right.

641
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,120
He was so vague.

642
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,120
Honestly, he like at one point he's he just said he's like, I just made it more or like

643
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,200
I did it spicier or some.

644
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,200
I don't know.

645
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,200
Yeah.

646
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,640
Some some bullshit line where he's just like, yeah, I just made it worse.

647
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,500
But we talked about this right before we started recording of like that's and when that scene

648
00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:02,280
was playing out during a shit over saddle.

649
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:09,600
It was like my mind my mind was just thinking this just seems like from my from what I know

650
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:16,400
of of executions and and lethal injection lethal injections is this is kind of the reaction

651
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:27,360
and a big fucking issue of of even the idea of you know, yeah, of capital punishment and

652
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:35,200
like it's actually people and this what was perceived on film seemed almost like an actual

653
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,840
accurate portrayal of what from my knowledge is what actually happens to people when they

654
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,320
insufferate and not only that, but it actually doesn't even work fucking sometimes and and

655
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,560
and like, come on.

656
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,920
Oh my god.

657
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:48,920
Right.

658
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:56,640
Which is so funny because then that is supposed to be like a clear like it's a clear indication

659
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,600
or it's supposed to be a clear indication that something wrong happened.

660
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,440
So we should be like, oh, what's going on?

661
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,080
But yeah, I too was like, yeah, isn't this like kind of how it goes?

662
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,080
I don't know.

663
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,920
Like what is what it almost illustrated of like, it's gruesome.

664
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:17,800
Yeah, but you guys decided to go again, miss your daughter's recital to go watch this guy

665
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,800
get executed.

666
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,440
Like, why you don't need to be there?

667
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:28,640
There's no requirement for you to be there.

668
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,400
Because he's not.

669
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,600
What is he's the prosecutor?

670
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,600
He does.

671
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,600
Does he need to be there as a pro?

672
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,000
Like and then he sees the defendant or whatever that guy like buried alive later.

673
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,360
It's like, is that incumbent?

674
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,880
Like I don't we I just whatever.

675
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,880
I don't know.

676
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:47,080
But it's it just it seemed like in within the movie language, it would even it would

677
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,440
have just made sense as it played out normally.

678
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,800
And him not having no involvement in it was unnecessary because it was kind of like, oh,

679
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,200
this guy is taking the fall because of this.

680
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:02,560
This system man within what the movie is telling me is like, oh, this system is not even pretty

681
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,600
portraying the truth where this guy probably should have gotten maybe five years because

682
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,600
he didn't agree.

683
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,440
He wanted to just rob.

684
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,180
Not just it's awful.

685
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:13,920
But he as far as like the guy that told him to stop raping her.

686
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,920
Right.

687
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,020
I think was that guy right?

688
00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:20,620
He was telling you know, he was telling he was he was implicit in all and so whatever

689
00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:22,200
whatever you feel about it.

690
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,200
Yeah, he's so bad.

691
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,480
It was it was switched around almost where this and then maybe Jerry B wanted all of

692
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,640
them to fucking get to stand and he just wanted them all all done.

693
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,120
So, so wherever you lie on that.

694
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:39,000
But within what it was saying, it's like, oh, for this guy to get even a worse punishment

695
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:45,400
or like to be to take the fall for this other guy is kind of fucked up in its own way.

696
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,160
And the fact that somebody who witnessed it and saw in front of the very eyes can't express

697
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:56,600
that to other people, the jury or whoever the judge and and everyone there in the courtroom

698
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,680
and have that make sense and be truthful and have the proper measures be taken.

699
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,320
You get that frustration from Jerry B. But again, his methodology and everything he does

700
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:13,160
after is we've already talked a lot about the I mean, the dismemberment scene is fucking

701
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,040
insane.

702
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:21,160
And the way that he gets there is, you know, it's kind of the Italian job of it all where

703
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,840
like that kind of stuff is kind of like, oh, it's like thinking one step ahead and this

704
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,880
guy is always in and these, you know, these con men or these robbers or something are

705
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,320
always got something up their sleeve to be able to and he's kind of represents that too.

706
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:40,120
And in a horrifying way, but to the movie, it kind of seems like, yes, sometimes it's

707
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,000
kind of like this is what you want people and the same with the Punisher is just like,

708
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,120
yeah, you want to see these awful people like it fucked up, get tortured.

709
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,120
Yeah.

710
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,720
This is a torture porn.

711
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:52,720
Yeah.

712
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:53,720
Oh, dude, for sure.

713
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:54,920
Yeah.

714
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:01,560
And then, you know, we start getting into, you know, the plan, Jerry B's plan takes off

715
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:06,080
once, you know, at this point that we're talking about really like from the execution on Jerry

716
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:11,760
B's plan is an action and really he is like systematically killing everybody who was involved

717
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,020
with the killing of his family.

718
00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:19,000
And that also includes like the judge, a lot of death.

719
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Yeah.

720
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Yeah.

721
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:26,280
And everybody involved like, yeah, the prosecutors, the judge, the cell phone explosion to the

722
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,280
head.

723
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,280
Oh, my God.

724
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,280
Brutal.

725
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,280
I was.

726
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,320
Yeah, that was very shocking because it just comes out of nowhere.

727
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,880
Like, yeah, there's not.

728
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,200
And it's like, it's fucking brutal.

729
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:44,480
And it is very much like post 9 11 kind of weaponry and someone who feasibly like his

730
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:53,760
character was in that war and knows about, yes, maybe cell phone bombs and he's a tinkerer

731
00:42:53,760 --> 00:43:00,920
and he's Jerry rigged this robot thing to do his dirty work as well.

732
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:11,120
But there's like from from that portion on, it's just like death, like crazed murder,

733
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:16,600
death and then reaction to that and then Jamie Foxx coming to him and being like, what the

734
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,840
fuck?

735
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,880
And then him being like, well, give me this and I'll give you that.

736
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,480
And then he gives him that and he's like, oh, it was too late.

737
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,440
And then it's kind of like that that back and forth through this chunk, the middle chunk

738
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,440
of the movie.

739
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,440
Yeah.

740
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:38,080
I mean, the bulk of the movie is that it is very much somebody getting killed, then Jamie

741
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:45,480
coming to Jerry B being like, tell me where who's next getting killed.

742
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,520
You know, we're going to lock you up.

743
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:54,120
But, you know, give us information about what your plan is, whatever.

744
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,480
And then, yeah, he gets like the bed.

745
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,520
There's that thing.

746
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:06,840
You know, he also it's man that scene to where he's going to get post like bail posted.

747
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,320
Oh, my God.

748
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,880
He starts reading the judge.

749
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:16,520
And then that was so wild because he like makes a very clear case.

750
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,960
The judge is like, I'm actually inclined to be like, yeah, I'm on board with this.

751
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,640
What you're saying is totally true.

752
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,040
And then he just like fucking braids her.

753
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:30,600
And then she's like, no, you know, no bail and moves on.

754
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,880
And then, yeah, you got that whole porterhouse from the restaurant and you got to get the

755
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,080
asparagus and him eating the asparagus.

756
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,080
Oh, my God.

757
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,120
Oh, it just is like a slow like crunching on it.

758
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:50,680
And then there's also a lot of like hand like eating, eating meat with their hands in prison.

759
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,680
It's so disgusting.

760
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,320
It was something up there with it was like a toilet.

761
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,800
They're like dismembered in this.

762
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,480
But you know what still stands is them eating with their hands.

763
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:08,480
And it's just like a lot of like sloppy and this so many just had shit.

764
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,800
Oh, it's just a total.

765
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,800
Nobody's using that spork, man.

766
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:15,800
He's yeah, I guess.

767
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:16,800
I know.

768
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,800
Yeah, right.

769
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:18,800
And the spork bit.

770
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:24,840
And then, yeah, you like quickly realize the reason that he ordered the porterhouse is

771
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,680
because it's got a bone in it.

772
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,640
And then he uses that bone to kill, I guess.

773
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,360
So that would be the third guy that was involved because there's three guys that killed his

774
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,280
family and was so he wasn't even involved.

775
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,320
It was just a means to get to maximum security.

776
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,320
Oh, right.

777
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,040
I think it was random.

778
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,160
You think you just that was that's just another pawn in his game.

779
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,160
No, no, no.

780
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,880
I mean, if anything, I think that's what a character like said that.

781
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,840
And that is oh, gotcha.

782
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:56,200
No, yeah, I thought the other day, so it was like it was purposeful, like why that guy

783
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,120
was with him for some reason for a second, too.

784
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,440
But yeah, the rant that seemed too random as well.

785
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,440
There had to have been a reason.

786
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,680
And I believe it was just to get to maximum security where he had all of his tunnel network

787
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:10,680
locked in.

788
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,680
Oh, yeah.

789
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:12,680
Yeah.

790
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,680
The little prison toilet door.

791
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:16,680
Yeah.

792
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:17,680
Crazy.

793
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,680
This whole yeah, that's a reveal.

794
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,920
I mean, that's that was what do you think of that reveal of him being his own accomplice?

795
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:33,480
I mean, again, like we're so this movie for me oscillates between like that kind of stuff

796
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,920
is has like a level of like not fun seems like a weird word to use in this.

797
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:45,120
But like entertaining, like, you know, action packed, like exciting, whatever.

798
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,240
And yeah, so there's a oscillate between that.

799
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:52,120
And then, you know, because he's got this very intricate tunnel network that he's got

800
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,720
going on with all these like little rooms that he had.

801
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:00,640
It was almost like like like an anthill.

802
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,560
He's got like all these like they kind of like go off into all these places.

803
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,080
It was like some texts like just sitting there and right for whatever.

804
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,240
And it almost made it look like a doomsday, a proper thing, which is why I said there

805
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:15,840
was like, oh, he's got the supplies.

806
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,480
He's been building up for 10 years.

807
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,480
Which was from some industry that I think that's where the screeching halt happened

808
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:29,120
for me was when he goes to the library to look up all the records of industrial properties

809
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,760
bought and sold within Philadelphia.

810
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:31,760
Totally.

811
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,520
And he's like comparing the numbers between that and whatever it was.

812
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:37,520
Right.

813
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,760
It was trying to plus that up so much of like the records, the industrial property record.

814
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,160
We got to find and it's like, I'm sure that's plenty of what lawyers have to do.

815
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,040
And I'm better calls all is great.

816
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,080
And there's there's actually not what lawyers do.

817
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:57,400
That is what like a lesser legal student like paralegals do because paralegals are about

818
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,360
getting all the information and then compiling it.

819
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,720
And then a lawyer is going to go through the process.

820
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,600
Fox does it all, man.

821
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:05,600
He's so involved.

822
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,120
You got to get those hands dirty.

823
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,080
I mean, we talked about he just he literally becomes D.A.

824
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,680
He can do everything.

825
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,120
It's so indicative of who Jamie is as a person.

826
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,120
The guy can do everything.

827
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,120
And that's true.

828
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,360
And in this movie, he does literally everything.

829
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:24,040
Yes, every single part of this like the situation.

830
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,040
And every single one.

831
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,040
Oh, yes.

832
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,040
The opening one.

833
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,040
Yeah, totally.

834
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,760
Did you know, Brandon?

835
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,520
And this is something that I theorize as I was watching it of like, hey, this would be

836
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,840
pretty good if they switch switch roles, they switch parts.

837
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,920
That is actually how it was originally cast.

838
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:44,920
Oh, interesting.

839
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:45,920
Yeah.

840
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:46,920
OK.

841
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,640
I was crying for me because I was like, I could see the boat like them playing each

842
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,640
other's parts.

843
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:57,360
And I guess later on, I figured out that Jerry B was like, like, Lauren, I don't know if

844
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,240
he went to law school or if he was interested in becoming a lawyer at some point, too.

845
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:05,560
And he produced the movie and it's whatever M.D.B.

846
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,880
trivia was inconclusive about like whose idea was it of them switching parts.

847
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,280
But it was originally the other way around.

848
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,680
I thought that's really fun.

849
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,760
And it was like another movie like that I saw recently.

850
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,760
However many years of longing, three thousand years of long is that?

851
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,760
Oh, yeah.

852
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:22,760
Yeah.

853
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,480
The blank check guys are listening to them and they were saying how like maybe someone

854
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,920
else had brought this up to how that could have been switched.

855
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,800
They could have switched those roles about like till the Swinton being the genie and

856
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,120
instead of Idris Elba and I could totally could have worked as well.

857
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,120
Oh, my God.

858
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,720
I love thinking about that shit like departed or something.

859
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:40,720
You know, I don't know.

860
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:41,720
Right.

861
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:46,680
Yeah, because Tilda is such a ethereal looking person.

862
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:53,080
Like she can always be like the alien type character because she just is like she is

863
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:59,320
so androgynous and has such striking features and just like that long neck and that, yeah,

864
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,040
very like piercing eyes.

865
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,040
I love her.

866
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,040
Yeah.

867
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,040
I mean, she's fucking awesome.

868
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,440
Oh, but speaking of which, I wanted, you know, I'm obvious.

869
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,680
It makes sense why we just jump right into this because this movie is fucking ridiculous.

870
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,560
But like I wanted to just talk about since we do this movie podcast, like we have the

871
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,600
Oscars coming up and, you know, you now bringing up three thousand years of longing.

872
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:27,640
I'm just curious if when it comes to the best picture nominations, like, you know, what

873
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,200
one movie are you pulling for?

874
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,400
What movies have you seen and really liked?

875
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,400
You know, that kind of stuff, because, yeah, we're we're we're about to about to have that

876
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,400
happen.

877
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:46,760
I like most people have seen a fair amount of it, but I haven't definitely seen all of

878
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,840
them.

879
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,480
This year is interesting because I feel like I've been kind of off the ball.

880
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,480
Is that how you say that?

881
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:55,480
I'm off the ball.

882
00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:07,840
I used to be on it, but I've been like off the ball about like watching like the acclaimed

883
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,920
movies of every year.

884
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:16,880
I'll see us like a little smattering of of a few.

885
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,920
This year, I think I'm really prepared because I'm looking at it and I've seen a fair amount.

886
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,280
I've seen Top Gun Maverick.

887
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,360
I've seen everything everywhere.

888
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,320
Seen Banshees, seen Triangle of Sadness.

889
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,320
I haven't seen that.

890
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,320
I really want to see that.

891
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,440
You should see it.

892
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,400
Definitely worth seeing.

893
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,400
And that's cool.

894
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,400
It's on this list, too.

895
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,080
And I've seen Elvis and Tar.

896
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,280
I haven't seen Tar.

897
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,840
I wish I could see Fableman's.

898
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,440
I will see Avatar.

899
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,280
I might check out Women Talking.

900
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,280
Sure.

901
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,280
I will.

902
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:47,960
I'll probably check out All Quiet on the Western Front.

903
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:53,320
I've seen All Quiet on the Western Front and it is.

904
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,960
It's one of those like really competent movies, but I like.

905
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,080
I came out of it.

906
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,080
I don't know.

907
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,940
Maybe it's it's it's hard to say if it's like where I'm at in my life, but it's like really

908
00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:08,680
violent and brutal.

909
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:14,320
And it got very like exhausting and kind of.

910
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,280
Yeah, I don't know.

911
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,680
I like at a point like halfway through, I got numb to it because like I'm sure you can

912
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:26,560
imagine like most of the people in the movie die and a lot of them die relatively soon.

913
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:31,880
And you know, and it's like they're in the shit pretty quick and it is fucking brutal.

914
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:40,520
People are like fundamentally like to their DNA changing as people because of war.

915
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,920
And it's very morose.

916
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,720
But it's it looks good.

917
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:52,920
Sounds exactly like a fucking Oscar or like a biopic or biopic or whatever.

918
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,200
Like it's those are the ones that are going to.

919
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:01,320
Yeah, I mean, not that they're all bad or anything or they're all good.

920
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,320
There's a certain style of like a war movie as well.

921
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,280
It's and that's based on a book.

922
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,840
I mean, it's yum, yum, yum, yum, yum.

923
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,840
Yeah.

924
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,080
So I mean, I would recommend it because of the visuals for sure.

925
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,320
But yeah, it's it's a tough watch.

926
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,320
But yeah, I mean, I get why it's there.

927
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,360
But I in no way do I think it has a chance of beating some of these other ones out.

928
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,360
Right.

929
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,600
And yeah, do you want to do what your what your bets are and like what you expect is

930
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,560
going to win and then what you think should win?

931
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:31,560
Yes.

932
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,880
So I have a sneaky suspicion that the Fable Men's is going to win.

933
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,180
But I think every everything everywhere all at once should win.

934
00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:45,120
That is like I I'm you know, when I talk about that movie to people, I'm like, this is the

935
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,480
movie that we need to champion like as much as we can, because we want movies to be more

936
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:56,680
like this, like by validating it, by giving it awards, even though it like.

937
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:02,000
It means not a whole lot, but that also means a lot like it's I think it's just a really

938
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,480
important thing that we really make sure that everything everywhere all at once is.

939
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,520
Yeah, it wins stuff because we definitely, definitely want more movies like that.

940
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:17,800
It's wonderful to see a movie that's not based on an IP, an action movie that has zero problem

941
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,760
having moments of like calmness, stillness, introspectiveness.

942
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:29,080
And is a wonderful, wonderful hybrid of action, comedy and drama.

943
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:33,240
It's I just I can't say enough wonderful things about that movie.

944
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,600
So that's what I would like to win.

945
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,600
But I don't know.

946
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,040
For some reason, I just have it.

947
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,200
And then also Banshee's of Anna Sheridan, right?

948
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,200
It's like really great.

949
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,300
It's just like hands down, like fucking awesome.

950
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:48,040
Maybe it's not for everyone, but like, I don't know.

951
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,480
I have a hard time.

952
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,480
Like if you're over like 30, I have a hard time like not thinking that you're like you

953
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:59,880
see this and be like this movie has a lot of like what I you know, what I'm thinking

954
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:05,880
about, what I think is like interesting and can be funny if thought about it in a particular

955
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:06,880
way.

956
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:14,640
So I'm like, I mean, I hate to be not not like changing any sort of opinion here or

957
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:19,600
being on any sort of other wavelength, but I am on your wavelength.

958
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:25,320
I'd almost say that I would like well, I definitely would like everything everywhere.

959
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:26,440
It wants to win as well.

960
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,840
I love that movie with my whole heart.

961
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,640
And it was one that I made a point to purchase on Apple.

962
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,920
Apple kind of trying to build my library a little bit.

963
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,600
I was very proud to own that one.

964
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,200
And I'm very proud to like show it to people.

965
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:48,160
And I watched it with my brother-in-law and we have it was it was the best time.

966
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,560
And I remember seeing theaters and the people's reaction in theaters.

967
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,960
And I was so glad I got to see it in a full house.

968
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,640
And there's certain moments in that movie that elicit reactions.

969
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:05,520
And it's so to be able to you're you you are a composer, you're an artist, if you're able

970
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,240
to take a whole audience.

971
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:11,320
And I watched it happen when I was in the theater of like, you are laughing your fucking

972
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,600
ass off right now.

973
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:19,400
You are in the throes of action and adventure almost.

974
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,960
And now you're bawling your eyes out.

975
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,920
I'm like tearing up just thinking about those parts.

976
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:29,760
Five minutes or like especially, you know, like the climactic moments of that.

977
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:34,000
And it's a movie that I would definitely like to champion as well.

978
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:39,680
And I think it not only should win, but will win, baby.

979
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:40,680
I'm thinking it will.

980
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:45,640
I think it's and I haven't seen Fableman's and a lot tomorrow, I think.

981
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:46,640
Yeah.

982
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,640
To kind of get ready for that, because it's supposed to be really good.

983
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,400
You know, I've been watching it too.

984
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:59,120
I wish we could talk more about it on going into the water because, you know, it is a

985
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,160
movie that most people are like, oh, it's really great.

986
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,000
It's you know, has.

987
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,340
Yeah, it's it's a wonderful movie.

988
00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:08,440
So yeah, I am.

989
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,280
You know, I think it's an awesome to you, by the way.

990
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,280
Banshee's rips.

991
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,280
Yeah.

992
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:14,280
Yeah.

993
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,280
You know, it's weird.

994
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,280
Yeah.

995
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,200
So I'm I'm probably said this on this part, but like I am not a big fan of Top Gun.

996
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,960
I get that we saw it together.

997
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,520
Yeah, I get that.

998
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:26,520
We did.

999
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:31,560
And I get why so many people like it.

1000
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,040
It's not that I can't see it.

1001
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,160
And it's one of these movies where I'm like, it just really doesn't make sense why people

1002
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,640
like it.

1003
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:45,360
But I mean, a part of me feels like that at times when I like really think about the movie,

1004
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,320
because like, especially when I think about that fucking dumb two football game that they

1005
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:55,120
play, it just makes me so mad that I did that.

1006
00:57:55,120 --> 00:58:00,520
It's like such an iconic scene from the first one, them playing volleyball where it's like

1007
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:01,520
machismo.

1008
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:06,360
You know, it just is so neurotic.

1009
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:07,960
Mastinimo erotic as well.

1010
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,000
That's why we like that, too.

1011
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,000
Yeah.

1012
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:17,120
But then, yeah, to make that fucking Tom two football game drives me so fucking nuts.

1013
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:25,280
But yeah, I remember we were both just kind of like they're going to invent a new game

1014
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:31,280
and like the thing with Tom Cruise is if I was on the beach with Tom Cruise and I just

1015
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,600
rolled up, he's like, hey, you want to play?

1016
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:33,600
I'm like, oh, you go.

1017
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:34,600
You guys just playing some football.

1018
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,720
He's like, no, it's this new game.

1019
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:36,720
Let me tell you.

1020
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,800
And then he just explained it to me how he explained it to in the movie.

1021
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,440
I'd be like, oh, that sounds fun.

1022
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:41,440
Sure.

1023
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,440
Why not?

1024
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:48,160
But in the movie, you're just kind of like, why did you invent a new game?

1025
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,400
And the funny thing, too, is like, I feel like I like leaned over to you when we were

1026
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,640
watching and I'm like, what are they doing?

1027
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:58,620
Because they don't like up front say that because like the first movie, it like cuts

1028
00:58:58,620 --> 00:59:06,200
to like they have if I remember correctly, it's like them like not succeeding at something

1029
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:11,760
together as a team and then cut to this where they're like, we're going to do a team thing

1030
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:12,760
and whatever.

1031
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,440
And it just doesn't explain what's going on.

1032
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,440
And it was so jarring.

1033
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:17,440
You got to escape room.

1034
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,440
Oh, my God.

1035
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,440
How funny would that have been?

1036
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,160
But yeah, like at first you're like, oh, they're playing football.

1037
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,360
And then like another football comes into play.

1038
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,200
You're like, wait a minute.

1039
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,080
What the fuck is going on over here?

1040
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,320
Then there's like they're not keeping score.

1041
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:42,600
Just like kind of rattle modernized it just like the movie.

1042
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,600
So fucking dumb.

1043
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,520
That drives me nuts.

1044
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:47,520
Let's go play the game.

1045
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:48,520
Let's try it out.

1046
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:49,520
Yeah, let's try it out.

1047
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:50,520
I'm sure it's a blast.

1048
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:51,520
The same way you got me Pawnee.

1049
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:57,640
I'm going to like surprise you at a beach trip and we're going to play two football

1050
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:58,640
with Tom Cruise.

1051
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:03,680
You're just hiding both of them behind your back and you just pull them out.

1052
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,680
You're like two footballs?

1053
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:07,680
No.

1054
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:13,560
Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I want the Elvis, too.

1055
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:18,000
I want to talk about that because I do not think that that's Boz Lerman's best movie.

1056
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:23,400
It is really like we've we've definitely talked about how and it was funny because I was listening

1057
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,480
to another podcast and they brought this up.

1058
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:32,200
But they brought it up in like the the host and the guest in two ways where the guest

1059
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:37,160
was like, I liked Tom Hanks performance.

1060
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:42,000
And then the host let that person like elaborate on that and then was like, that is the part

1061
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,600
that I liked the least of it.

1062
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:44,920
And then to get into it.

1063
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:50,360
And then it's so and we've talked about that particular thing about the movie is like.

1064
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,440
It was so close to being ruined for me because of him.

1065
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:55,440
Yeah.

1066
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,920
And because I like the way the movie looks.

1067
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,280
If Austin Butler wasn't so fucking amazing, then yeah.

1068
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,280
Right.

1069
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,280
Yes.

1070
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:09,000
Like if he wasn't so good and if the movie like yeah, like that aesthetic, you know,

1071
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,920
Boz is such an aesthetics guy and the movie looks.

1072
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,160
Cool, so a lot of a lot of the leather stuff still work for me.

1073
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:24,320
I think I wish they would have gone harder into his demons and not tried to like.

1074
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:31,120
Lionize him and make him like such a such a big time and like, yeah, and yeah, maybe

1075
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:36,000
he was that as well, but he wasn't just I don't know, like I think some of some of his

1076
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:41,060
own faults would have been more made it a little bit more interesting for me and them

1077
01:01:41,060 --> 01:01:42,920
trying to ruminate on that a bit more.

1078
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:43,920
And I understand that.

1079
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,920
Yeah, and that and that could have could be me even.

1080
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,960
No, I think that's what it should have been by just the Tom Hanks sort of performance

1081
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,440
was a real issue for me.

1082
01:01:54,440 --> 01:02:00,680
And I'm convinced that like that stone scars guard would have been perfect for that role

1083
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,560
for for my mind.

1084
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:08,080
I'm like, man, if that switch could happen, just get a or what was all the Willem Dafoe

1085
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,720
or like somebody else.

1086
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,400
Oh, yeah, sure.

1087
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,400
You know, somebody that's like.

1088
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:22,640
Scarier, more like aggressive, just a lot of a lot of stuff that, you know, but again,

1089
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,040
so the person who thought it was great, it was interesting to hear that perspective because

1090
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:32,080
they're like, oh, he's such a like he's such a villain, he's such a character.

1091
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:39,280
And that and it's almost like the liking him in that movie is because it is over the top,

1092
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,040
which is a Bosler man thing.

1093
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:47,400
And so you kind of like give it the benefit of the doubt of like he is a caricature, because

1094
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,080
that's kind of what we're doing here.

1095
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:56,900
And it just to me is such a stretch because you're like, do you really enjoy anything

1096
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:59,760
that he's talking about any of his motivations?

1097
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:04,520
And I get that you're not supposed to really like what he's doing, but I don't know.

1098
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:08,000
There's just yeah, it really fucking doesn't work for me.

1099
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,800
Yeah, I'm trying and I'm trying to think like there's aspects of like the lady killers and

1100
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,440
his character and that that is kind of funny.

1101
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:23,160
Oh, yeah, that movie doesn't really work, but he is kind of interesting to watch in

1102
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,160
it at parts.

1103
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,160
But he's.

1104
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,920
And then maybe that's what they're playing on, where he's like attempting to be likable

1105
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:36,040
and he's and there is like a charisma to him.

1106
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:44,000
And I think I agree with you, whereas the little bit more menace and believability for

1107
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:49,560
people to say they like that performance, it just makes me think that they like seeing

1108
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,080
Tom Hanks play out of character or something.

1109
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:58,640
And I even like watching the terminal recently and you were witness to me going through a

1110
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,320
hangover day after a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert.

1111
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,720
And I watched the terminal, which is a pretty good hangover movie, but it's not the best

1112
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:06,920
movie overall.

1113
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,880
And his performance, I found an issue with that, too.

1114
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,960
Maybe that was so recent after Elvis was just kind of like, I don't I don't get it with

1115
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,440
this kind of this kind of stuff.

1116
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,680
Like why is he why is he casting this this kind of shit?

1117
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:18,680
Yeah, exactly.

1118
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,280
Some people like it.

1119
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,280
So I don't know.

1120
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,440
I guess I should go fuck myself.

1121
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,800
So no, no, no, no, because you're I mean, I agree with you.

1122
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,360
So I'm not going to tell you to fuck yourself.

1123
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,560
I think you're on on base with that.

1124
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:38,040
Because yeah, like another thing that was like his, you know, being described in a more

1125
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:46,600
like positive light is he seemed like a Bond villain, which has Bond villains are very

1126
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:55,680
like, you know, have have a tendency to have like this nondescript ethnic accent and are

1127
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,680
like really.

1128
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:06,760
Yeah, like over the top and so and yeah, I like a lot of the Bond villains for sure.

1129
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:11,120
But yeah, I just in no way did I make that connection because I was so distracted by

1130
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:12,120
this.

1131
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:20,520
Yeah, this on nondescript ethnic accent and whatever.

1132
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:21,840
That's who he was rocking.

1133
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:22,840
I don't know.

1134
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,320
So it's like not really.

1135
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,640
Yeah, it was very distracting.

1136
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:31,560
And but there was a lot of I don't know, there's a lot of fun stuff about that movie, too.

1137
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:37,400
And now I'm thinking of like Babylon and but that's not on this list, so we can't get into

1138
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:38,400
that.

1139
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,080
But that's a movie that's worth watching.

1140
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:46,160
And I'm curious about your opinion, Brandon, whenever I because that's a movie where I'm

1141
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,200
like, oh, you did see it.

1142
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,200
I like it.

1143
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,200
I kind of like it, too.

1144
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,200
Yeah, I kind of I kind of fucking like it.

1145
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,640
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in there.

1146
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,720
It's weird is like this stuff that I don't like, I'm not really sure how I feel about

1147
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,720
it, but it makes me want to watch it again.

1148
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,200
I don't want to like it is.

1149
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,160
And I were like, we should watch it again.

1150
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:10,080
And which is a long movie so much because it's such a long movie.

1151
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,680
Like to have a feeling coming out of it.

1152
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:18,480
You're like, it's just yeah, like now having watched it, it is definitely a better movie

1153
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:25,360
to be like, oh, I want to watch the like the scene where they're out in the field and there

1154
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:30,800
there's all the, you know, movies being shot stuff like all of that is like awesome.

1155
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:35,960
Or the the party in the beginning where there's just nude people everywhere and everybody's

1156
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,200
in costume and it's so frenetic.

1157
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,120
Everybody's just like, you know, getting taken around all of these places.

1158
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,440
So many believable, believable and messy.

1159
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:46,440
Awesome.

1160
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,440
Awesome.

1161
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,440
Awesome stuff.

1162
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,440
It's awesome.

1163
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,440
I like that.

1164
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:55,560
You know, I just about there's so much meta textual qualities of it that a lot of times

1165
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,520
I like I kind of.

1166
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:05,320
Crane or like I go away like I but then this one was kind of a beautiful way of doing it.

1167
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,080
And I'm a big singer to the rain guy.

1168
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,040
So I love all that stuff.

1169
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:16,320
Yeah, I do get though that Brad Pitt in it like I don't know.

1170
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:24,480
I guess I can understand some people not liking his character, I would say, like because he's

1171
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,680
you know, I don't know.

1172
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:34,400
There's something about Brad Brad Pitt's character in that that I get that is a little like.

1173
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,640
It's I don't know.

1174
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,280
How do I describe it?

1175
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,880
Because he's all.

1176
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:48,000
He's trying to hold on to power and his like attitude about things can be like.

1177
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,000
Very vain and I don't know.

1178
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,240
Yeah, there's there's something to that.

1179
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:59,280
His take down at the end of his care and or I shouldn't get into too much spoilers or

1180
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:05,240
whatever, but I thought there was a monologue directed towards him that I thought was a

1181
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,920
pretty and delivered by an amazing actress as well.

1182
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:16,080
But I forget her name, but I thought that that was pretty sufficient to sum up the makeup

1183
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,080
for that.

1184
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:22,400
His arc as a character and who he was and who he's been throughout it all and his attitude

1185
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,880
and the casting of him, I thought was was pretty good.

1186
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:30,640
But yeah, it's it's that's that's one I we could do a bonus app on.

1187
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,160
That would be fun to talk about.

1188
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:33,160
Bring Carl along.

1189
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:39,440
I have to take a law abiding break.

1190
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:43,080
OK, so we'll come back and do.

1191
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:48,760
Yeah, we can go through any like final notes and then some reviews and.

1192
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:54,600
Going to Mary, I will see you in a bit.

1193
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:55,600
Bye.

1194
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,240
And we're back.

1195
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:58,960
I know you missed us.

1196
01:08:58,960 --> 01:08:59,960
We have returned.

1197
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:00,960
Don't worry.

1198
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:08,160
The authorized kingdom overlords have come to reclaim the system for themselves.

1199
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,320
The boys are back in town.

1200
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,320
This is our town now.

1201
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:18,080
I was looking at some of my notes before we move on to some final thoughts from both audiences,

1202
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:19,960
critics and us.

1203
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:26,640
Let's see that one of the opening things for there was like interesting names for all like

1204
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:31,600
in film companies, production companies that I've never heard of and like one of them was

1205
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,600
just called the film department.

1206
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,400
Nice, simple, straightforward.

1207
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:36,400
Love it.

1208
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:37,400
Mm hmm.

1209
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:38,400
Law school is economical.

1210
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,520
I was looking at some of these lines.

1211
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:44,840
There's a lot of like line like there's like the way they say it, there's like supposed

1212
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:50,080
to be so much meaning and weight, especially how they say it and the timing and how they

1213
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:51,080
do it.

1214
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,240
Law school has got nothing to do with law.

1215
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:54,240
Get it.

1216
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:55,240
Just like get a jury to like you.

1217
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:59,120
That's all that matters that whole back and forth.

1218
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,480
It's what you can prove in court.

1219
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:04,240
All that stuff.

1220
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,280
Why shake his hand in front of people?

1221
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:07,280
Yeah.

1222
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,280
Recital.

1223
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:09,280
Pulled some ancient strings.

1224
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:10,280
That was a line.

1225
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:11,280
It's strange.

1226
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:12,280
Yeah, it's.

1227
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:17,380
Oh, I've never heard of that before.

1228
01:10:17,380 --> 01:10:22,400
And then when he was at Ames, the guy that he's like he first calls with like the deep

1229
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:27,160
voice like this, he's like coke on the table, bitch on the floor, life in prison.

1230
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:28,160
Three strikes.

1231
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,800
I had to rewind that one.

1232
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,840
He's like strike three.

1233
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,520
And he immediately starts shooting at the cops as he's leaving.

1234
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,960
I thought that was like this is the worst guy.

1235
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,960
No hesitation.

1236
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:43,240
Like a bunch of cop cars.

1237
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,600
He's got a revolver with six.

1238
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,160
He's got a six shooter and he's just like, blah, blah, blah.

1239
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:51,160
He just started shooting and the guy's like, or Jerry B's like, you've already you've already

1240
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,160
shot yours, throw it away.

1241
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,480
And he's so down with like having his little guard.

1242
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:58,200
He's like, hey, it's my guardian angel.

1243
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,400
Yeah, this is working out pretty well.

1244
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:05,160
People's attitudes during things like Ryan is also.

1245
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,160
Yeah.

1246
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:11,640
Darby's ring tone is so funny to me because it's like another like this is a bad guy thing

1247
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:18,760
where his phone when it rings, it's like some metal song where it's like.

1248
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:22,720
And Slayer plays later on the speaker as he stab in the dude or whatever.

1249
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:23,720
Oh, yeah.

1250
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:24,720
Check out the speaker.

1251
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,720
He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1252
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,640
But yeah, every time his phone, he's like the worst guy.

1253
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:34,400
He's like doing every drug on this on the table.

1254
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:35,400
There's a woman.

1255
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:36,400
There's so many drugs.

1256
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:37,400
And it's just like him there, too.

1257
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:42,400
And it's just like this mountain of cocaine.

1258
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,480
He's got crack like kind of sprinkled out through it.

1259
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:50,880
And then he looks on the TV and his buddy that helped his accomplices like just got

1260
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:51,880
executed.

1261
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:56,320
He's like, wow, this guy is the worst.

1262
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:57,320
He laughs.

1263
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,520
He just laughs at the TV.

1264
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,200
So Ryan drugs, so many drugs.

1265
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,200
The warden had those.

1266
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:04,200
Oh, what's it?

1267
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,200
No, no, you go.

1268
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,480
The warden had a spork just like in his jacket pocket.

1269
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:11,480
I thought that was interesting.

1270
01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:17,080
He's just like, I've got one spork ready to go.

1271
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:18,080
You're getting a spork.

1272
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,120
We'll give you the steak, but you're getting a spork.

1273
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:25,840
Little did they know the bone is what is the is the dangerous.

1274
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,320
I was confused at that for I was like, what is he using?

1275
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,640
And that makes sense now.

1276
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:36,120
Justice should be harsh, harsh, especially against those who denied it to others.

1277
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:37,120
Hmm.

1278
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,120
Yeah.

1279
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,120
Yeah.

1280
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:44,320
You don't you don't name your friends or they stop doing you favors.

1281
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:45,320
Right.

1282
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:50,920
That just sounds kind of benign, but how they say it is like, oh yeah, that's what that's

1283
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,920
what that's one of yours.

1284
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:52,920
That's one of yours, Jamie Foxx.

1285
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:53,920
Don't you know?

1286
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:59,800
Um, so what the when they go to meet Stamper, he's like, oh, who are you going to see?

1287
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:05,080
He's like someone who does some nasty shit so we can live the American dream.

1288
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:11,840
There's a lot of weight given to that, but I'm like, you just said nasty shit in such

1289
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,960
a way that like made it mean something.

1290
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:18,240
He does some nasty shit so we can live the American dream.

1291
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:22,040
So fuck you for asking.

1292
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:23,600
Yeah.

1293
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,920
Car bomb, cell phone bombs.

1294
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,600
He's like a post 9 11 terrorists.

1295
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:30,600
He's a terrorist.

1296
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:31,600
He's a fucking terrorist.

1297
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:32,600
It's crazy.

1298
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:33,600
Easily.

1299
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,760
It's going to be biblical.

1300
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,500
That whole like where he'd like they pull him out of the prison just so he can like whoop

1301
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:41,280
his ass real quick.

1302
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:45,040
And then he gives that whole like line almost looking directly in the camera seems like

1303
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,120
and at the end he's like, it's going to be fucking biblical.

1304
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,240
Like I'm tearing this whole system down, baby.

1305
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,160
Um, that scene at the end is cool.

1306
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:59,120
We just briefly mentioned it that flame like slow mo.

1307
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,840
That was a cool, cool shot.

1308
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,520
I wonder how they did that because yeah, I don't know.

1309
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:05,720
I don't know how they did it.

1310
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:11,720
Where do you is it like they superimpose him into it?

1311
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:17,000
Yeah, it's possible it was like an actual explosion that they put him in or because

1312
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,400
the fire seemed pretty pretty good and real.

1313
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:24,640
And that was like a cool like final moment.

1314
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,800
And then it almost seems like he immediately leaves after doing that whole switcheroo and

1315
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,200
placing the bomb and assault and locking it.

1316
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,840
And it seems like he goes like immediately to the recital, which I thought was such a

1317
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:42,960
funny like tiny thing of like there was no like recovery of him after he just committed

1318
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,440
these things or there's no like tense sort of again like tense conversation that you

1319
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:50,920
would have after that with somebody who would like, yeah, I just we did it.

1320
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,320
That was good or whatever.

1321
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:53,320
Like how do we feel about this?

1322
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,800
It was just like, and he made his daughter's recital the end.

1323
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:57,800
Goodbye, folks.

1324
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,000
See you next time.

1325
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,000
Very abrupt, yeah.

1326
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,480
Which, by the way, there is a supposedly a law abiding citizen to is like a sort of thing

1327
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:13,640
Gerard Butler to produce or it's going to be Kurt Wimmer returning to write the screenplay.

1328
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:19,120
This was this is an article May 21st, 2022.

1329
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,520
After more than a decade, law abiding citizen is getting a sequel.

1330
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:23,520
Yeah.

1331
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,520
And so what is this movie web on movie web?

1332
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,600
Per deadline, it has now been revealed.

1333
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:32,480
Law abiding citizen to is officially a go.

1334
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:36,920
Butler, Butler, who also served as a producer on the original, is producing the sequel alongside

1335
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:42,640
fellow returning producers Wimmer, Lucas Foster and Alan Segal.

1336
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,680
Riverlight Films Village Roadshow.

1337
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:46,680
They're all there.

1338
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:50,480
A director has not been named and it's not clear if the plan is for great a return to

1339
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:51,480
the director's chair.

1340
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:53,880
But Wimmer is pending the screenplay for the follow up film.

1341
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:55,440
No plot details have been revealed.

1342
01:15:55,440 --> 01:16:00,040
And it's not entirely clear Fox or any of the actors.

1343
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:01,880
So this is just the most nothing article.

1344
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,680
But supposedly it's happening.

1345
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:11,160
Let's see what the critics have to say with the 26 percent.

1346
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:20,400
Let's find out why they are so icy on this one that we'll find out how just just how

1347
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:26,920
spicy these audience members are as opposed to the icy, they are spicy.

1348
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,880
Let's start with A.V. Club.

1349
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,800
Scott Tobias, a 25 out of 100.

1350
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:38,760
He says a flagrantly ridiculous thriller that tries to retrofit saw to function as a mainstream,

1351
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:43,520
semi respectable vigilante picture.

1352
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,800
It's interesting to think about that in context, right?

1353
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:47,800
That's kind of how people think.

1354
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:55,840
I just saw like, yeah, the guys like, yeah, I'm ironically giving people, you know, this

1355
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:01,320
confronting them with their own mortality because they have wasted their lives and I'm

1356
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,320
going to be the harbinger of like.

1357
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:04,320
Right.

1358
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,400
There's a justification for all of it.

1359
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:08,400
Yeah.

1360
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:13,000
And it's interesting when how people side with some of that stuff.

1361
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:20,360
Like, yeah, right from time, if you've heard of it, Richard Corliss, a 30 out of 100.

1362
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:25,240
Butler has the show your part, but his impersonation of the tragic hero is undercut by his weird

1363
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,040
resemblance to soupy sales.

1364
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:32,240
You start hoping that Shelton will kill somebody with a custard or puffer fish to the face.

1365
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:33,880
Who's soupy sales?

1366
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:39,000
I got to take a look.

1367
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:40,000
Soupy sales.

1368
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,000
Doopey doopey sales.

1369
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:47,600
Poopy doopey sales, Milton Sutman, known professionally as soupy sales was an American comedian actor,

1370
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,960
radio television personality and jazz aficionado.

1371
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:55,240
He was best known for his local network children's television series lunch with soupy sales.

1372
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,280
It's such a time Paul.

1373
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,920
It's such a thing that a time somebody writing a time article.

1374
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:06,600
Yeah, this guy lived from 1926 and he oh, he died the same year this movie came out.

1375
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:07,600
Interesting.

1376
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:13,640
And he reminds me the movie didn't work because you remind me too much of this clown from

1377
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,440
my childhood from New York Times.

1378
01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:17,440
A.O.

1379
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:18,440
Scott 30.

1380
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:21,640
Where's its preposterousness with a certain pride?

1381
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,200
It's about the cat and mouse game between two very smart guys and it's perfectly happy

1382
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:29,640
to be as dumb as it wants.

1383
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,360
Yeah.

1384
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,840
Rolling Stone, Peter Travers, 38.

1385
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:43,560
Geez, did the surprise climax have to be this eye rollingly stupid?

1386
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:48,120
Okay Peter from NPR, Mark Jenkins, a 40.

1387
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:51,860
We're supposed to be odd, but a more reasonable response is to giggle.

1388
01:18:51,860 --> 01:18:54,560
How does a Kevlar kevlar tie kill?

1389
01:18:54,560 --> 01:19:02,640
And if it can, why hasn't the CIA sent a Kevlar scarf to Osama bin Laden?

1390
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,040
When was this one written?

1391
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,040
Hello.

1392
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,040
Wow.

1393
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:11,240
You think that would work?

1394
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:12,600
I guess I guess he wears scar.

1395
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:13,600
He wore scarves.

1396
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:21,880
Yeah, I just, it's just weird to describe like a hijab or whatever the like the the

1397
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,000
Muslim rap head wrap would as a scarf.

1398
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:26,000
It's just kind of weird.

1399
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:31,640
It kind of like what an interesting take Mark Jenkins of like, I'm going to I'm going to

1400
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,840
throw a zinger in here and make it topical.

1401
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,600
Yeah, you know, it's like God, that's bin Laden.

1402
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:42,440
Well, if you put Jerry, the fictional character that Jerry B is playing on the case, and he

1403
01:19:42,440 --> 01:19:44,080
probably could have done it.

1404
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:45,520
Oh my God.

1405
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,720
That's what the second one should be about.

1406
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:54,520
He just like gets recruited to seal team six.

1407
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,720
He like got out of the prison cell.

1408
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:05,000
We'll do one more and then we want to audiences Entertainment Weekly Owen Gleiberman 42.

1409
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,040
Clyde is meant to be nuts, but too often it's law abiding citizen that checks rationality

1410
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:10,040
at the door.

1411
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:15,760
I'm kind of I'm kind of on that on that wavelength, I think.

1412
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,640
Yeah, I'm feeling that that sentiment.

1413
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:23,600
Let's see what the audience spicy audience with the 75.

1414
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,360
That's pretty spicy compared to 26.

1415
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,160
I have to say, and I do have to pull up these numbers.

1416
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,720
We love the numbies here.

1417
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:37,200
There's 15,500 reviews on Amazon Prime.

1418
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:43,680
82% of them are five stars.

1419
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:47,200
It has an average of 4.7 out of five.

1420
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:52,400
It is spicy this movie, like people people really like this movie.

1421
01:20:52,400 --> 01:21:00,000
And let's see what they have to say from Ravin Rowe five stars.

1422
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:01,000
Extremely good film.

1423
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,920
Well written has good reasoning and is about morality and justice.

1424
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,720
The film leaves you thinking about what we all think about the judicial system in the

1425
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:09,720
States.

1426
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,920
Gerard Butler is as good at his character as always.

1427
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:14,560
And so is Mr. Fox.

1428
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:15,560
You do not.

1429
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,440
You do need to really concentrate on this film.

1430
01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:23,400
I do not write many feedback reports, but I just had to had to this this time the film

1431
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:24,720
was so good.

1432
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:28,000
All I can say it's the best film in a long time.

1433
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,520
That said, I like Gerard Butler and anything I watch.

1434
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,920
Nice eye candy and and with good morals.

1435
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:36,920
Yikes.

1436
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,040
OK, well, this character has good morals.

1437
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,360
Morals tortured into the number demand.

1438
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:44,360
Yeah.

1439
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:49,240
Let's see who else has something to say.

1440
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:52,280
What do we got here?

1441
01:21:52,280 --> 01:22:01,280
We got from Socket's Sumon five stars extra extravaganza piece of movie.

1442
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,680
This movie exposes the cracks within our justice system, which seems so infallible to the naked

1443
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:06,680
eye.

1444
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:11,000
But when looked closer, every law made can be exploited in such a way such that it can

1445
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,640
hinder the meaning of true justice and what it stands for.

1446
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:19,660
Jamie Fox delivers a scintillating performance as one of those who are bound by the limitations

1447
01:22:19,660 --> 01:22:21,480
of our justice system.

1448
01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:26,240
This movie is a whole lot more than just a vengeance thriller orchestrated by Gary Gray

1449
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:31,320
as Gerard Butler forces us to consider reconsider whether we can trust our government to deliver

1450
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:34,260
justice without any imperfections.

1451
01:22:34,260 --> 01:22:40,920
It is one of the best and original crime thrillers I have seen up there with Zodiac and Seven.

1452
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:42,520
Both feature joints.

1453
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,360
Yeah, right.

1454
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:49,480
We'll do maybe like two more from Jennifer Baldridge.

1455
01:22:49,480 --> 01:22:50,760
Five stars.

1456
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,680
If you believe in moral justice, this is a good movie.

1457
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:59,280
He was a law abiding, law abiding citizen and moral person prior to being tainted by

1458
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,160
trauma and a horror inflicted unpin his family.

1459
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:10,000
That's what unpin when the system he was brought up to believe in failed his murdered family.

1460
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,520
He had nothing to lose.

1461
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,560
What do you think happens next?

1462
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,480
I really appreciated appreciated his character.

1463
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:20,040
I didn't like all the bloodshed and lives taken because it removed his moral compass

1464
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,800
being the OK of the film.

1465
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:27,320
These people so concerned with the moral compass in this revenge thriller.

1466
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:32,000
Yeah, he gets revenge like he can't argue with that.

1467
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,280
And and yeah, and I'm.

1468
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:41,960
Handsome from Provocad, Provocadave.

1469
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,040
Five stars.

1470
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:44,460
The film was fantastic.

1471
01:23:44,460 --> 01:23:47,040
The bad reviews are crazy and unfounded.

1472
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,440
The ideas and creativity were phenomenal.

1473
01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:53,240
Gerard Butler and Jamie Foxx were work brilliant together.

1474
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:54,920
And the storyline is so crazy.

1475
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:59,920
And to be honest, so unbelievable, it has you trying to work out what happens next before

1476
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:00,920
it happens.

1477
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:01,920
Yes, sir.

1478
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:02,920
Yes, sir.

1479
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:10,000
Yeah, it's I mean, you nice little reading reading from that.

1480
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:17,600
I think I know there's like it's interesting when people take on the justice justice within

1481
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,400
their review of like, you know what?

1482
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:21,480
This is a good time.

1483
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:27,800
Like K for now five stars titled Understandable Motivation for Wanting Real Justice.

1484
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,560
And they say the justice system is in serious need of repair.

1485
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,320
And this is clearly established in the film's beginning.

1486
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:38,440
The problem is and will always be it is administered by flawed human beings.

1487
01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:39,520
Good movie.

1488
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:40,760
Well acted.

1489
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,920
Vengeance is mine, says the Lord.

1490
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,840
Left with him, there will be no mistakes.

1491
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:55,480
Oh, it seems like something they like leave on all their reviews.

1492
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:56,480
That's a call.

1493
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:57,480
Right.

1494
01:24:57,480 --> 01:25:00,120
I was thinking like, very ordered like a toaster from Amazon.

1495
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,240
I'm like, good toaster toast things evenly.

1496
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,720
Vengeance is mine, says the Lord.

1497
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,720
Left with him, there will be no mistakes.

1498
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,720
Signing off.

1499
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:16,400
Oh, silly.

1500
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,240
Yeah.

1501
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:24,720
So I mean, I think people audience really resonate with the Gerard Butler character.

1502
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:25,720
Right?

1503
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:26,720
Yeah.

1504
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:27,720
Yeah, for sure.

1505
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:31,720
He's going through and what his whole purpose is and what he's trying to do.

1506
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:32,720
Naturally.

1507
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:36,240
So that's the whole the crux and the point of the movie.

1508
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,640
But I think it's interesting in this movie.

1509
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:39,640
Yeah.

1510
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,320
And that's where I think of like Silence of the Lambs or something where maybe not as

1511
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:44,320
much so.

1512
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,320
But Jodie Foster's character is so good in that movie.

1513
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:51,160
But a lot of people really think of Hannibal Lecter and who that is.

1514
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:56,120
But it's just it's strange with this one where I think that vigilante is with this one and

1515
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:57,400
Punisher is.

1516
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,360
And for that matter, Unhinged, that's a little that's a little different.

1517
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,280
But I think it's kind of a nerving for me sometimes.

1518
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,040
Like seeing how seeing how people react to some of these movies that we've been talking

1519
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:13,720
about is like endorsing things that are upsetting to me.

1520
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:18,240
And I get that the movie is trying to make you have these conversations and trying to

1521
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:26,320
make you react and question systems and what you can do with the power.

1522
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:31,200
You know, if something were to happen to you and like the worst thing in the world, like

1523
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:36,320
the and they put that on the character, which is naturally like a good driving force for

1524
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:40,680
a main character of like the imagine the worst possible thing fucking happening to you and

1525
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:41,680
how you would react.

1526
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,920
And you can as a writer go any sort of direction with that.

1527
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,520
And with this one, he turns himself into a fucking monster.

1528
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:57,280
And I just argue against how I've said this the whole this whole podcast about how it

1529
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,680
feels about its own villain and its antagonist.

1530
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:04,480
And I think that's the biggest failing for me is.

1531
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:07,120
And that's why it just makes me think again, like these.

1532
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,160
And you don't know if you can call it a Fincher clone, but it's like it makes me think of

1533
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:16,600
how good Fincher is with writing that line of being fascinated and interested in whatever

1534
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:22,360
fucked up way with Zodiac or seven about what this person is doing.

1535
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,600
And there's much more of a mystery around it with this one.

1536
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,160
You know who it is the whole time.

1537
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:31,240
But it makes those things interesting in a horrific way or even.

1538
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,520
Well, sorry, what's the show on Netflix?

1539
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:37,960
That's so fucking good to by Fincher about all this.

1540
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:44,240
Hunter to for that matter, where and it's dealing with a character like Jamie Foxx or

1541
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:49,360
something in Minehunter where he's doing his due diligence to to find out about this person.

1542
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,240
But it is centered on his reaction of it.

1543
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:53,840
And this is so much a centered on Dr.

1544
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:55,280
Butler and Jamie Foxx.

1545
01:27:55,280 --> 01:28:00,400
And although he's in all of it and everything, I just don't I don't care.

1546
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:04,200
And I say maybe this is why people's reaction is to this, because he's not that interesting

1547
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,200
of a character either.

1548
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,540
And he makes weird decisions and is very weird.

1549
01:28:09,540 --> 01:28:14,640
So involved in like an assumed sort of way that you don't actually dig into why he's

1550
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,180
doing the things he's doing.

1551
01:28:16,180 --> 01:28:18,740
And it's more just about everyone reacting to Gerard Butler.

1552
01:28:18,740 --> 01:28:19,740
So I don't know.

1553
01:28:19,740 --> 01:28:27,840
Yeah, it's I can I can see why people are into it in a weird in a weird way.

1554
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,540
Like and for me, the things that I did like about it, I'm just going to carry on into

1555
01:28:31,540 --> 01:28:32,540
my review.

1556
01:28:32,540 --> 01:28:33,540
Yeah, please.

1557
01:28:33,540 --> 01:28:39,440
And it does have a momentum like a lot of F. Gary Gray movies do.

1558
01:28:39,440 --> 01:28:45,320
And it and it and it just and it is a it is designed as a thriller.

1559
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:53,200
And I know I've said that like it's much more horrific to me, but it is I think successfully

1560
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:58,020
designed as a thriller is like all the beats and notes of it and everything.

1561
01:28:58,020 --> 01:29:02,120
He knows what he's doing in that sense, even if it is kind of off for me seeing it that

1562
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:03,120
way.

1563
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:07,580
I see that it's like kind of like the taken element of it almost too.

1564
01:29:07,580 --> 01:29:15,740
But the things are so heinous and the violence is so brutal and intense and not eloquent

1565
01:29:15,740 --> 01:29:19,660
eloquently handled or delicately handled some of that stuff.

1566
01:29:19,660 --> 01:29:23,460
And to include that sort of stuff in your movie, you kind of have a responsibility to

1567
01:29:23,460 --> 01:29:29,360
know why and how you're you're putting it in there and what purpose it serves.

1568
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:33,040
And to me, it didn't really serve the purpose that I would want it to.

1569
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:37,180
And it served the purpose of like, you want to see this this fucked up guy.

1570
01:29:37,180 --> 01:29:38,180
He's the worst guy.

1571
01:29:38,180 --> 01:29:39,180
No arguments there.

1572
01:29:39,180 --> 01:29:40,460
He's the worst fucking guy.

1573
01:29:40,460 --> 01:29:46,880
But like, it's almost like you want to see him go through this and all these people that

1574
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:47,880
fucked his day up.

1575
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:52,500
Like it's it's there's like a satisfaction that the movie wants you to have over it.

1576
01:29:52,500 --> 01:29:59,340
Man, it's but I find this very hard to give like a numerical score because I was overall

1577
01:29:59,340 --> 01:30:00,940
like entertained kind of too.

1578
01:30:00,940 --> 01:30:01,940
It's weird.

1579
01:30:01,940 --> 01:30:02,940
It's weird.

1580
01:30:02,940 --> 01:30:04,780
I'm saying all these like criticisms and everything.

1581
01:30:04,780 --> 01:30:07,660
But like I am overall like entertained.

1582
01:30:07,660 --> 01:30:10,700
However, I don't think it's going to get a full fresh from me.

1583
01:30:10,700 --> 01:30:12,220
So I'm thinking like a 58.

1584
01:30:12,220 --> 01:30:13,860
I'm thinking like a 58.

1585
01:30:13,860 --> 01:30:14,860
Totally.

1586
01:30:14,860 --> 01:30:16,220
It's like almost fresh.

1587
01:30:16,220 --> 01:30:18,340
Like I'm almost fully bought in.

1588
01:30:18,340 --> 01:30:24,940
But then it's like it just kind of fumbles the overall like ethos of it.

1589
01:30:24,940 --> 01:30:26,660
And that's a big that's a big part.

1590
01:30:26,660 --> 01:30:29,540
But it's like it doesn't have time to ask questions.

1591
01:30:29,540 --> 01:30:30,540
It just goes.

1592
01:30:30,540 --> 01:30:33,540
And that's kind of like for an action thriller.

1593
01:30:33,540 --> 01:30:37,420
It's just it's just an interesting thing to make an action thriller about and the directions

1594
01:30:37,420 --> 01:30:41,620
and choices that it makes or would make it entertaining.

1595
01:30:41,620 --> 01:30:43,260
But also there's there's a fault to it.

1596
01:30:43,260 --> 01:30:45,940
And I hope I expressed my point well enough.

1597
01:30:45,940 --> 01:30:48,940
Yeah, my case rests.

1598
01:30:48,940 --> 01:30:50,420
Yeah.

1599
01:30:50,420 --> 01:30:56,260
So, no, I mean, I'm it's it's always so funny.

1600
01:30:56,260 --> 01:31:01,700
You know, being the second person in line for the scores when what's going to happen

1601
01:31:01,700 --> 01:31:05,780
is going to be the case, because I'll just say now I'm going to also give it a 58 because

1602
01:31:05,780 --> 01:31:07,500
I was going to give it a 56.

1603
01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:09,020
But I think it's it's it's.

1604
01:31:09,020 --> 01:31:10,020
That happens to me, too.

1605
01:31:10,020 --> 01:31:11,500
Or I'm like, oh, it's so close to mine.

1606
01:31:11,500 --> 01:31:13,500
You know, it's all just it's so close to mine.

1607
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:15,500
And there's like.

1608
01:31:15,500 --> 01:31:23,580
Yeah, especially the last part of your review resonates with me that this is effective in

1609
01:31:23,580 --> 01:31:30,060
being an action movie because it cranks along, has a lot of shocking stuff, has a lot of

1610
01:31:30,060 --> 01:31:32,980
like thrilling elements to it.

1611
01:31:32,980 --> 01:31:37,700
But the second you start to think about it more, it just completely falls apart.

1612
01:31:37,700 --> 01:31:41,340
And fundamentally for me, like because, you know, it's great that we've brought up the

1613
01:31:41,340 --> 01:31:48,380
Fincher like kind of like analog or like similarities, because in my mind, in a Fincher movie, why

1614
01:31:48,380 --> 01:31:57,460
they're so successful is the the the villain or the enemy in a Fincher movie is a representation

1615
01:31:57,460 --> 01:32:03,700
of what the like the id of them or the like if the main character audience surrogate were

1616
01:32:03,700 --> 01:32:14,180
to give in to it like more carnal or more like vicious, extreme desires that could be

1617
01:32:14,180 --> 01:32:18,020
unlocked, which is always so interesting in a Fincher is like there's that weird line

1618
01:32:18,020 --> 01:32:22,740
of like the main character potentially becoming the villain and really writing that line because

1619
01:32:22,740 --> 01:32:27,700
the villains almost like what they're doing is sucking that person in and like almost

1620
01:32:27,700 --> 01:32:34,060
transforming them to be like, well, if you were to just be deep down what you really

1621
01:32:34,060 --> 01:32:35,340
want, I am that.

1622
01:32:35,340 --> 01:32:38,900
Yeah, it's like the Nietzsche quote, was that Nietzsche whatever like looking into the darkness,

1623
01:32:38,900 --> 01:32:44,700
the darkness, you become all that shit and overall villains in general to be empathized

1624
01:32:44,700 --> 01:32:46,700
with a villain, you can be a good villain.

1625
01:32:46,700 --> 01:32:49,100
It's just it's yeah, it's delicate balance as well.

1626
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:50,420
Well, for sure.

1627
01:32:50,420 --> 01:32:57,500
And but this movie doesn't do that because never in this movie is Jamie Foxx getting

1628
01:32:57,500 --> 01:33:05,780
to the point of siding with Gerard Butler, or there's never any avenue that that this

1629
01:33:05,780 --> 01:33:08,340
movie travels down to that would have been interesting to you.

1630
01:33:08,340 --> 01:33:14,260
Yeah, which would have made this movie far more interesting because then it's like, yeah,

1631
01:33:14,260 --> 01:33:19,500
he's he's seeing what Gerard's doing and like him being successful and getting justice.

1632
01:33:19,500 --> 01:33:26,660
And as a lawyer, that there's that is kind of his role as well as to like get justice

1633
01:33:26,660 --> 01:33:27,660
on people.

1634
01:33:27,660 --> 01:33:34,940
But this movie is not not well enough to do that and to effectively convey that concept,

1635
01:33:34,940 --> 01:33:36,860
which would be make this movie far more interesting.

1636
01:33:36,860 --> 01:33:40,060
But yeah, like, again, I'm going to give it a 50.

1637
01:33:40,060 --> 01:33:44,620
Because I think it's really there's a lot of exciting stuff in it.

1638
01:33:44,620 --> 01:33:51,380
And yeah, I will also say, too, it's now like really locking into the reviews into these

1639
01:33:51,380 --> 01:33:52,720
revenge movies.

1640
01:33:52,720 --> 01:34:00,100
It is forever interesting that these movies serve a purpose for people to be like, I like

1641
01:34:00,100 --> 01:34:06,860
it when like justice gets served hard and brutally, you know, taking matters into their

1642
01:34:06,860 --> 01:34:07,860
own hands.

1643
01:34:07,860 --> 01:34:08,860
Yeah.

1644
01:34:08,860 --> 01:34:10,460
And I think it's really important that people take matters into their own hands and fuck

1645
01:34:10,460 --> 01:34:11,460
the government.

1646
01:34:11,460 --> 01:34:12,460
Yeah.

1647
01:34:12,460 --> 01:34:15,420
Because that that feeling resonates with people.

1648
01:34:15,420 --> 01:34:21,260
I'm obviously with certain people more so where borderline is like sociopathic or like

1649
01:34:21,260 --> 01:34:25,620
really bizarre to like, again, to empathize with somebody that is totally fine with not

1650
01:34:25,620 --> 01:34:29,620
totally fine because I mean, it somewhat justifies because his wife was killed.

1651
01:34:29,620 --> 01:34:33,780
But at what point do you go like, well, he chopped a person up.

1652
01:34:33,780 --> 01:34:36,220
He killed the lawyer woman.

1653
01:34:36,220 --> 01:34:39,780
Like all of these things, it's just it's really heinous and inexcusable.

1654
01:34:39,780 --> 01:34:42,180
So it's like all those people in those cars.

1655
01:34:42,180 --> 01:34:43,180
Right.

1656
01:34:43,180 --> 01:34:44,180
That was that was a thing.

1657
01:34:44,180 --> 01:34:45,180
Yeah.

1658
01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:46,180
Yeah.

1659
01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:50,820
It just is unsettling to them think that people are still like, I'm on his side of that.

1660
01:34:50,820 --> 01:34:54,420
But it just again, it's with all these vengeance movies, like with people siding in unhinged

1661
01:34:54,420 --> 01:34:58,820
of like, yes, I've been in a situation where somebody is so self-absorbed thinking about

1662
01:34:58,820 --> 01:35:00,120
themselves, cuts me off.

1663
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,900
And what if I were to like really like stick it to them?

1664
01:35:03,900 --> 01:35:05,700
And then same with the Punisher, right?

1665
01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:06,700
Same situation.

1666
01:35:06,700 --> 01:35:11,060
And a lot of these characters and for that matter, like Tyler Durden or whatever, like

1667
01:35:11,060 --> 01:35:16,500
they have these interesting ideas of like, oh, man, I've thought of just throwing everything

1668
01:35:16,500 --> 01:35:19,420
everything away or whatever, living my life this way.

1669
01:35:19,420 --> 01:35:23,380
And then you what's interesting about the movie and how it plays out is you in some

1670
01:35:23,380 --> 01:35:27,580
of the good ones, you see that come to fruition and how it doesn't fucking work out.

1671
01:35:27,580 --> 01:35:28,580
It's terrible.

1672
01:35:28,580 --> 01:35:29,580
And it's awful.

1673
01:35:29,580 --> 01:35:33,820
And then it's like, and then people just stick with that carnal idea of like, oh, that's

1674
01:35:33,820 --> 01:35:34,820
a cool edgy thing.

1675
01:35:34,820 --> 01:35:36,900
I know you almost have to like forget about that.

1676
01:35:36,900 --> 01:35:40,380
Like Gerard Butler gets exploded in this movie, right?

1677
01:35:40,380 --> 01:35:44,500
You know, it's but you just kind of push that away.

1678
01:35:44,500 --> 01:35:48,500
And you go like, oh, no, but the fact that he's killing these bad guys to get revenge

1679
01:35:48,500 --> 01:35:49,860
on his family is good.

1680
01:35:49,860 --> 01:35:53,700
And I'm only going to hone in on that is really one sided.

1681
01:35:53,700 --> 01:35:56,300
But yeah, so that's where I'm at.

1682
01:35:56,300 --> 01:36:01,100
Before we fully wrap it up, I wanted to do because it's been a minute.

1683
01:36:01,100 --> 01:36:08,700
I wanted to do a round of our singular magnetized.

1684
01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:14,620
And if I recall correctly, I can't remember which one it is, but it's it's either 21 or

1685
01:36:14,620 --> 01:36:20,260
27 points if you are a waif, if you go over that by the difference, right?

1686
01:36:20,260 --> 01:36:24,660
Like you're going to give a score and then the movies are going to be another score.

1687
01:36:24,660 --> 01:36:28,900
And then the difference between those, if they add up to, I think last time, last time

1688
01:36:28,900 --> 01:36:33,660
you did it, like if the whole difference adds up to like twenty seven or something, it was

1689
01:36:33,660 --> 01:36:35,060
a twenty seven or twenty one.

1690
01:36:35,060 --> 01:36:36,460
I can't do whatever you do.

1691
01:36:36,460 --> 01:36:37,460
Twenty one.

1692
01:36:37,460 --> 01:36:38,460
Sure.

1693
01:36:38,460 --> 01:36:39,780
We can lower it and make it more difficult.

1694
01:36:39,780 --> 01:36:41,300
Let's do twenty one then.

1695
01:36:41,300 --> 01:36:43,940
And I'll try to remember that that's how we will do that.

1696
01:36:43,940 --> 01:36:44,940
So three rounds.

1697
01:36:44,940 --> 01:36:45,940
Yes.

1698
01:36:45,940 --> 01:36:46,940
So I have three rounds.

1699
01:36:46,940 --> 01:36:47,940
Seven.

1700
01:36:47,940 --> 01:36:48,940
Like I can do.

1701
01:36:48,940 --> 01:36:51,300
I can afford seven a piece almost.

1702
01:36:51,300 --> 01:36:52,540
You can afford seven a piece.

1703
01:36:52,540 --> 01:36:53,540
Yes.

1704
01:36:53,540 --> 01:36:54,540
That sounds right.

1705
01:36:54,540 --> 01:36:55,860
That sounds like that's what we did last time.

1706
01:36:55,860 --> 01:36:57,140
I feel like that works.

1707
01:36:57,140 --> 01:36:58,140
Yeah.

1708
01:36:58,140 --> 01:37:02,540
But yeah, so this is magnetized.

1709
01:37:02,540 --> 01:37:03,540
Let's do it.

1710
01:37:03,540 --> 01:37:12,900
So kind of, you know, in line with a little bit of this movie, the first movie is Die

1711
01:37:12,900 --> 01:37:14,340
Hard 2.

1712
01:37:14,340 --> 01:37:15,340
Die Hard 2.

1713
01:37:15,340 --> 01:37:16,340
I don't know.

1714
01:37:16,340 --> 01:37:17,340
Die Hard 2.

1715
01:37:17,340 --> 01:37:19,420
I've never seen it.

1716
01:37:19,420 --> 01:37:23,340
This is yes, it's.

1717
01:37:23,340 --> 01:37:24,340
This is 1990.

1718
01:37:24,340 --> 01:37:27,340
Danny Glover's in this one.

1719
01:37:27,340 --> 01:37:29,300
This one has got.

1720
01:37:29,300 --> 01:37:33,620
I'm thinking a predator to you, I think.

1721
01:37:33,620 --> 01:37:36,500
I believe this is the one where.

1722
01:37:36,500 --> 01:37:37,940
Oh, here I can.

1723
01:37:37,940 --> 01:37:38,940
You know what?

1724
01:37:38,940 --> 01:37:39,940
I'll read you the synopsis.

1725
01:37:39,940 --> 01:37:42,020
This isn't going to help me at all, but I'm just curious.

1726
01:37:42,020 --> 01:37:43,020
OK.

1727
01:37:43,020 --> 01:37:47,300
You know, a year after his heroics in L.A., Detective John McClane is mixed up in another

1728
01:37:47,300 --> 01:37:51,940
terrorist plot, this time at Washington Dulles International Airport.

1729
01:37:51,940 --> 01:37:53,940
He was in an airport.

1730
01:37:53,940 --> 01:37:54,940
Gotcha.

1731
01:37:54,940 --> 01:38:01,620
The South African politico and drug profiteer Roman Esperanza is arriving in U.S.

1732
01:38:01,620 --> 01:38:02,620
custody.

1733
01:38:02,620 --> 01:38:06,500
McClane takes action when the treacherous ex-colonel seizes control of the airport and

1734
01:38:06,500 --> 01:38:10,500
threatens to crash every inbound flight unless Esperanza is freed.

1735
01:38:10,500 --> 01:38:13,140
This is tough.

1736
01:38:13,140 --> 01:38:14,140
I'm Johnny.

1737
01:38:14,140 --> 01:38:15,140
Yeah.

1738
01:38:15,140 --> 01:38:16,140
72.

1739
01:38:16,140 --> 01:38:17,140
I'm going 72.

1740
01:38:17,140 --> 01:38:18,140
72.

1741
01:38:18,140 --> 01:38:19,140
And it is 70.

1742
01:38:19,140 --> 01:38:20,140
Oh, nice.

1743
01:38:20,140 --> 01:38:25,140
Wow.

1744
01:38:25,140 --> 01:38:27,620
That was a shot in the dark.

1745
01:38:27,620 --> 01:38:32,620
I feel like I was like, there's no way it's like super high, but I feel like maybe not

1746
01:38:32,620 --> 01:38:33,620
super low.

1747
01:38:33,620 --> 01:38:35,940
People probably so high on the diehard life.

1748
01:38:35,940 --> 01:38:37,540
That's cool that critics were into it, too.

1749
01:38:37,540 --> 01:38:41,260
I feel like they'd be like, I know.

1750
01:38:41,260 --> 01:38:42,260
I know.

1751
01:38:42,260 --> 01:38:43,260
Right.

1752
01:38:43,260 --> 01:38:45,820
Yeah, I feel like, yeah, unless you're James Cameron, I feel like it's hard to make the

1753
01:38:45,820 --> 01:38:47,700
so yeah, you know, get you a high.

1754
01:38:47,700 --> 01:38:49,400
Add an S and make it a money sign.

1755
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,900
That's all you got to do to make a good sequel.

1756
01:38:52,900 --> 01:38:53,900
Hell yeah.

1757
01:38:53,900 --> 01:38:54,900
Diehard.

1758
01:38:54,900 --> 01:38:55,900
How about diehard?

1759
01:38:55,900 --> 01:39:00,340
James, get out of here.

1760
01:39:00,340 --> 01:39:01,340
You already made aliens.

1761
01:39:01,340 --> 01:39:02,340
Go on.

1762
01:39:02,340 --> 01:39:03,340
You can't do that to everything.

1763
01:39:03,340 --> 01:39:04,340
All right.

1764
01:39:04,340 --> 01:39:09,740
So two, you're you're yeah, you're in a good spot right now.

1765
01:39:09,740 --> 01:39:10,740
You're looking good.

1766
01:39:10,740 --> 01:39:11,740
All right.

1767
01:39:11,740 --> 01:39:12,740
Looking looking good.

1768
01:39:12,740 --> 01:39:13,740
OK, next movie.

1769
01:39:13,740 --> 01:39:20,100
So this is, you know, in line with the Oscars, the directors of Everything Everywhere All

1770
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:24,060
at Once also made another movie that is magnetized.

1771
01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:26,860
And that is Swiss Army Man.

1772
01:39:26,860 --> 01:39:28,860
Swiss Army Man.

1773
01:39:28,860 --> 01:39:31,540
Yes, Paul Dano, Daniel Radcliffe.

1774
01:39:31,540 --> 01:39:35,740
Soon to be best picture winners.

1775
01:39:35,740 --> 01:39:36,740
Yes.

1776
01:39:36,740 --> 01:39:39,940
Featuring a dead man farting on the on a beach.

1777
01:39:39,940 --> 01:39:40,940
Uh huh.

1778
01:39:40,940 --> 01:39:41,940
Lots of farts.

1779
01:39:41,940 --> 01:39:42,940
Lots of farts in that movie.

1780
01:39:42,940 --> 01:39:44,980
Lots of body humor.

1781
01:39:44,980 --> 01:39:45,980
Yes.

1782
01:39:45,980 --> 01:39:46,980
Not crazy.

1783
01:39:46,980 --> 01:39:49,980
I was not crazy about that movie.

1784
01:39:49,980 --> 01:39:50,980
No.

1785
01:39:50,980 --> 01:39:51,980
Yeah.

1786
01:39:51,980 --> 01:39:52,980
Uh huh.

1787
01:39:52,980 --> 01:39:53,980
Me and Ray.

1788
01:39:53,980 --> 01:39:54,980
I'm wondering.

1789
01:39:54,980 --> 01:39:55,980
That's interesting.

1790
01:39:55,980 --> 01:39:56,980
People agree on it, though.

1791
01:39:56,980 --> 01:39:57,980
I think it's just surprising when people agree on anything.

1792
01:39:57,980 --> 01:40:02,460
But I think especially in the movie that's very weird.

1793
01:40:02,460 --> 01:40:07,180
I wonder where it could be.

1794
01:40:07,180 --> 01:40:08,180
Yeah.

1795
01:40:08,180 --> 01:40:09,940
Something that most people I feel like I've never seen.

1796
01:40:09,940 --> 01:40:11,260
This is tough.

1797
01:40:11,260 --> 01:40:16,940
I'm almost going to say in the same range, but.

1798
01:40:16,940 --> 01:40:17,940
I'll do.

1799
01:40:17,940 --> 01:40:25,020
This 7070 is it 70?

1800
01:40:25,020 --> 01:40:27,020
Is it?

1801
01:40:27,020 --> 01:40:28,020
I'll say 75.

1802
01:40:28,020 --> 01:40:31,460
I know it's not different than much different than my last guess.

1803
01:40:31,460 --> 01:40:34,380
OK, 75 it is 72.

1804
01:40:34,380 --> 01:40:40,060
Oh, I should have gone with my last guess on fire.

1805
01:40:40,060 --> 01:40:41,060
You're playing with me.

1806
01:40:41,060 --> 01:40:45,100
I was like, oh, is it going to be this similar as last 72?

1807
01:40:45,100 --> 01:40:46,100
Damn.

1808
01:40:46,100 --> 01:40:47,100
Hell yeah.

1809
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:48,100
Like what?

1810
01:40:48,100 --> 01:40:49,100
Minus five now.

1811
01:40:49,100 --> 01:40:50,100
Yeah, yeah.

1812
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:51,100
Only five.

1813
01:40:51,100 --> 01:40:52,100
In the bag.

1814
01:40:52,100 --> 01:40:53,100
In the bag.

1815
01:40:53,100 --> 01:40:59,460
I'm not really the best for last.

1816
01:40:59,460 --> 01:41:02,020
Even in this game, even one movie could fuck you.

1817
01:41:02,020 --> 01:41:03,020
So here we go.

1818
01:41:03,020 --> 01:41:04,020
Don't fuck me.

1819
01:41:04,020 --> 01:41:05,020
Brandon, don't fuck me.

1820
01:41:05,020 --> 01:41:06,020
I told you not to fuck me.

1821
01:41:06,020 --> 01:41:07,020
OK.

1822
01:41:07,020 --> 01:41:14,140
Save the best for last.

1823
01:41:14,140 --> 01:41:15,140
Southland Tales.

1824
01:41:15,140 --> 01:41:16,140
Oh my God.

1825
01:41:16,140 --> 01:41:19,460
My favorite movie of all time.

1826
01:41:19,460 --> 01:41:21,340
I think everybody should see it.

1827
01:41:21,340 --> 01:41:22,340
It's funny.

1828
01:41:22,340 --> 01:41:23,340
We're like viewing.

1829
01:41:23,340 --> 01:41:25,420
Yeah, we got to do an episode.

1830
01:41:25,420 --> 01:41:28,420
We got to do at least like a commentary or something like that.

1831
01:41:28,420 --> 01:41:30,420
That would be a lot of fun.

1832
01:41:30,420 --> 01:41:35,620
God, this is just watched recently too, and it rips so hard.

1833
01:41:35,620 --> 01:41:41,060
Yeah, last time we did watch it together, last time I saw it, we did a digital viewing

1834
01:41:41,060 --> 01:41:45,420
party and you convinced me to buy it on Amazon Prime.

1835
01:41:45,420 --> 01:41:49,500
I mean, this is not going to be the last time I watch this movie, so I might as well do

1836
01:41:49,500 --> 01:41:50,500
it.

1837
01:41:50,500 --> 01:41:53,340
It is incredibly rewatchable.

1838
01:41:53,340 --> 01:42:00,740
Every single line somebody says in the movie is completely bad shit and so funny without

1839
01:42:00,740 --> 01:42:03,180
even intending to be.

1840
01:42:03,180 --> 01:42:04,180
It's delightful.

1841
01:42:04,180 --> 01:42:09,340
I'm going to think of another movie that has so much meaning ascribed to everything that

1842
01:42:09,340 --> 01:42:12,020
happens but actually doesn't mean anything.

1843
01:42:12,020 --> 01:42:13,020
It means nothing.

1844
01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:14,020
Yes.

1845
01:42:14,020 --> 01:42:15,020
It just doesn't add up.

1846
01:42:15,020 --> 01:42:17,900
Besides like a Joe Dorowski movie or some shit.

1847
01:42:17,900 --> 01:42:22,700
That's a lot more visual, but you know, whatever.

1848
01:42:22,700 --> 01:42:23,700
So Southland Tales.

1849
01:42:23,700 --> 01:42:24,700
Damn.

1850
01:42:24,700 --> 01:42:28,740
There's another one where I feel like it would be polarizing, but then to find out people

1851
01:42:28,740 --> 01:42:30,620
agree is very surprising to me.

1852
01:42:30,620 --> 01:42:38,260
I'm going to find out it's 75, but I'm going to be it's just going to be my last guess.

1853
01:42:38,260 --> 01:42:41,060
I'm going to say 63.

1854
01:42:41,060 --> 01:42:45,060
63 for Southland Tales.

1855
01:42:45,060 --> 01:42:47,580
The score is lower.

1856
01:42:47,580 --> 01:42:48,580
41.

1857
01:42:48,580 --> 01:42:49,580
I lost.

1858
01:42:49,580 --> 01:42:50,580
I fucking lost.

1859
01:42:50,580 --> 01:42:51,580
I should have known it was panned.

1860
01:42:51,580 --> 01:42:52,580
Damn it.

1861
01:42:52,580 --> 01:42:53,580
I was really.

1862
01:42:53,580 --> 01:42:54,580
Why would people give it that high of a score?

1863
01:42:54,580 --> 01:43:01,220
It's not a fresh movie is it?

1864
01:43:01,220 --> 01:43:02,220
Damn.

1865
01:43:02,220 --> 01:43:03,220
All right.

1866
01:43:03,220 --> 01:43:04,220
That's fine.

1867
01:43:04,220 --> 01:43:05,220
Southland Tales.

1868
01:43:05,220 --> 01:43:06,220
Fuck me.

1869
01:43:06,220 --> 01:43:07,220
Southland Tales.

1870
01:43:07,220 --> 01:43:08,220
Fuck me Brad.

1871
01:43:08,220 --> 01:43:09,220
I told you not to fuck me.

1872
01:43:09,220 --> 01:43:10,220
What was it?

1873
01:43:10,220 --> 01:43:11,220
41?

1874
01:43:11,220 --> 01:43:12,220
41.

1875
01:43:12,220 --> 01:43:13,220
Damn.

1876
01:43:13,220 --> 01:43:14,220
Yeah, I should have known.

1877
01:43:14,220 --> 01:43:15,220
That's funny.

1878
01:43:15,220 --> 01:43:16,220
They agree.

1879
01:43:16,220 --> 01:43:17,220
Like both audiences.

1880
01:43:17,220 --> 01:43:18,220
Isn't it so funny that that movie in particular.

1881
01:43:18,220 --> 01:43:19,220
This is confounding.

1882
01:43:19,220 --> 01:43:20,220
It was so fun to read.

1883
01:43:20,220 --> 01:43:21,220
I mean, it was so funny.

1884
01:43:21,220 --> 01:43:22,220
I mean, it was so funny.

1885
01:43:22,220 --> 01:43:23,220
I mean, it was so funny.

1886
01:43:23,220 --> 01:43:24,220
I mean, it was so funny.

1887
01:43:24,220 --> 01:43:25,220
I mean, it was so funny.

1888
01:43:25,220 --> 01:43:26,220
I mean, it was so funny.

1889
01:43:26,220 --> 01:43:27,220
I mean it was so funny.

1890
01:43:27,220 --> 01:43:28,220
I mean, it was so funny.

1891
01:43:28,220 --> 01:43:29,220
I mean it was so funny.

1892
01:43:29,220 --> 01:43:30,220
I mean the time being.

1893
01:43:30,220 --> 01:43:31,220
I mean the time being.

1894
01:43:31,220 --> 01:43:32,220
But I was like, oh it was a good movie.

1895
01:43:32,220 --> 01:43:33,220
Yeah.

1896
01:43:33,220 --> 01:43:34,220
Yeah.

1897
01:43:34,220 --> 01:43:35,220
It was, it was a good movie.

1898
01:43:35,220 --> 01:43:36,220
So you had to like, find that out because again I just like, watched it like last week.

1899
01:43:36,220 --> 01:43:37,220
And then I looked it up because I was like trying to figure out like a person playing

1900
01:43:37,220 --> 01:43:38,220
in it or whatever.

1901
01:43:38,220 --> 01:43:39,220
And then then I saw the score and I was like, Holy fucking shit.

1902
01:43:39,220 --> 01:43:40,220
It's a magnetized movie.

1903
01:43:40,220 --> 01:43:45,300
We're racking up our list for our next podcast or parallel podcast.

1904
01:43:45,300 --> 01:43:46,300
So funny.

1905
01:43:46,300 --> 01:43:47,300
But yes, unfortunately.

1906
01:43:47,300 --> 01:43:48,300
That's OK.

1907
01:43:48,300 --> 01:43:49,300
I'll take it as a strike.

1908
01:43:49,300 --> 01:43:53,000
ticket. If I'm going to lose, I want to lose on South and Tales.

1909
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:54,340
That's on some hotels.

1910
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:59,480
Funny. Well, yeah, we talked about our next movie already earlier.

1911
01:43:59,480 --> 01:44:03,240
It's going to be titular, the titular revenge,

1912
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:07,140
which is the, you know, the theme,

1913
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:11,020
the titular theme of our most recent movies.

1914
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:13,420
This is from 2017.

1915
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It has a 93 certified fresh by critics

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and it has a 58 by audience.

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I love getting into the ones where the critics like it a lot

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and the audience hate it.

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They're a little bit more few and far between.

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If you're more new to this podcast, that's kind of been the trend we've found

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is there's I feel like there's more movies that audiences like.

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Critics are naturally more critical, so they're not going to like as much.

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So finding something that they like and then something

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that really upset the audience is is not as common.

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So I'll be curious about what this is.

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I don't know much about it, so I'm going to read the synopsis here.

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I had no nothing about it.

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Jen is enjoying a romantic getaway with her wealthy boyfriend.

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And should we not read it? Should we just be surprised?

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Let's be surprised. You know, that's all we know.

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Jen is enjoying a romantic getaway with her wealthy boyfriend.

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That's all we're going to find out.

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I hate when trailers tell me too much, so I won't tell you too much either.

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I just caught myself doing that.

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If you want to reach us anywhere, we're doing this live on Twitch.TV

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slash Polarize Pod. You can join us there.

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It's typically Thursdays right now, but it's it's it's all you know,

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we're pretty fluid here. We're we're just having a good time.

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But if you want to join us, you can jump on the chat

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and we can maybe read your messages loud.

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If you're good.

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If you're not a Jerry Butler trying to rig the system

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and use it against us, then you'll be OK.

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If you want to send us anything on Twitter,

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it's Polarize Pod as well. Polarize the pod at Gmail dot com.

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This has been a blast.

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I feel like this is a great app. Brandini. Great app.

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Anything you want to share with the lovely people?

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I believe next week we're going to be doing our podcast.

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Yeah. What am I doing? Yeah.

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Prod pod. Check us out. We'll do a live stream.

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It's going to be on Sunday, which is the

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18th, 19th.

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Yeah. Check it.

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We will be on the same channel currently as Polarize.

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It's a podcast about music producers.

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We're doing Barry Gordy next.

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Motown Legend.

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Yeah, we've done Diplo and Todd Rundgren.

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It's it's fresh. It's new.

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We've we've been doing it with our good friend Corey Hart.

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Where's the sunglasses?

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We all wear our sunglasses at night during the record.

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It's great.

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And so that's large.

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And yeah, we talk about music producers, their effects on pop culture,

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their their careers, their who they are as people.

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It's been a lot of fun and interesting to get into

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a side of music that to me, I don't know as much about.

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I'm not sure how much other people know about.

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And it's fun to learn things and share them.

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Pretty much show and tell.

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That's pretty much what all podcasting is, is just show and tell, isn't it?

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And we're happy to show maybe less show more tell.

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Just tell. We're happy to tell you everything we feel about this movie.

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We hope you've enjoyed us and we'll see you next time for revenge.

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We love you all. Goodbye.

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Bye bye.