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Welcome everybody to the polarized podcasts.

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Happy holidays.

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Ho ho ho.

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All you Jack J.K Simmons is out there.

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Welcome.

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Welcome to the podcast about polarizing movies, polarizing the sense of Rotten Tomatoes scores.

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Sometimes audiences love it and critics hate it and or vice versa.

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Those are the movies that we discuss on this pod.

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We are wrapping up a three month long.

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So this is your first episode.

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Wow.

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Three month long saga of the underworld series and in celebration of the holidays, this is

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going to be a twofer.

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So you don't want to eat if it is your first app to listen to us.

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What a treat for the holidays.

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It's a twofer.

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So today we're going to be discussing the it's not the final installment of underworld,

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but you know, it could be.

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World Awakening from 2012.

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The score of that movie is 25% tomato stinky by the critics, 62% audience.

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So yeah, I mean, not really.

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Yeah, you get it.

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And then we're also in light of the holiday is going to be covering the I think pretty

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insanely popular at the time of this record holiday movie on streaming.

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Episode one came out this year of our Lord 2024.

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The scores for that is 30% tomato stinky by the critics, 90% certified hot, hot, hot popcorn

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by the audience.

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I, yeah, my name is Brandon.

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I'm one of the hosts here on polarized man, polar kingdom.

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This is our time of year.

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Let's rise like the Likens and, and get at some, get at some movie discussions.

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I alone will not be, it is a discussion.

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So therefore two people will be talking and they usually are, well, they always are.

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I mean, I guess usually I don't know where that came from.

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I would like to introduce now my co-host.

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Sometimes we refer to him as the forever guests, Mr. James Lindsay.

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Hey, hey, it's me.

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It's a rise of the James rise of the forever guest because I'm a furry like in rare.

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You're a furry.

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He comes out on this man.

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This episode, I feel like it's going to, I didn't mean that, but you know what?

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You know what?

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I'm sticking to it.

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Yep.

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I like the idea that if I were a fur fur, that's what we call ourselves.

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I don't know if that's why you're already using lingo for me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But the thing with me is I don't go cute.

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I'm not a cute furry.

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I am a movie accurate, like in fury.

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Yes.

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And I'm not, and I'm not even a furry.

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I'm a fury.

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Oh, wow.

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You're a fury, right?

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Cause of how much anger and violence you're usually, uh, you know, a participant in.

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And you know what, Brandon?

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I'm not only movie accurate to the underworld franchise, but specifically underworld awakening.

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I get prosthetics, I get stilts, and I turn into the big fucking genetically modulated

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big lichen.

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I'm a big lichen.

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You know what?

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I loved, I loved the big lichen.

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I'm a fan of big lichen in this.

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Big lichen.

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The bummer is I just felt a little short change because they established that there's levels

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of lichens now.

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I really wanted somebody, this, an anime would have done this to Ignatium already, but would

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have liked them to describe like while it's happening, like this is level four, you know,

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something like that.

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Well, you're mixing in a lot of red one, uh, mythology where, you know, you get out, maybe

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you get a lichen that can shrink on command, you know, maybe you get a level four, level

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four naughty lizard.

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No, maybe I should, maybe I should pump the brakes on that.

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Cause these poor underworld people that have been with us for three movies, they're like,

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I wasn't prepared for a red one discussion.

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So maybe I shouldn't be so, so heavy on it, but God, can you imagine whoever is with us

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from that all the way through this God bless you on this holiday?

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Bless you indeed for joining us for this ride.

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Cause you're right.

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I was like, has it really been three months?

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And I believe we recorded the first one, like at the end of October, two months and change.

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And it's like, what a journey, you know, what an absolute journey.

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Thank you guys.

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I know we were a little more, uh, less, uh, consistent with our release times, but you

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know, this is, this is the beauty of our podcast is it, uh, it's, uh, it's the, it's that kind

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of casual sort of nature that you get our very best versions because we are not forcing

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ourselves to show up on a day.

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Maybe we don't feel like, uh, giving you the best show and we're here to give you the best

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show today, folks.

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It's a double, it's a double do.

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Sir Brandon, it's a double do sir.

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You know what?

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So it's like, yeah, again, we're just bringing the holiday cheer with us.

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Um, big, like, yeah, just understand.

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I mean, but at the same time, it's like, we've been releasing episodes once a month for years

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I mean, we did have, we did have like a month lapse overall, but I mean, yeah, I don't know

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the, I like our pace.

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I think it's a good pace.

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I like our, I like our pace.

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It's a good pace.

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It's a good pace.

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Like, I mean, yeah.

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So we covered, uh, four movies over the course of three months.

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I mean, that's good.

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And it's higher franchise over that time.

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We'd never, I didn't know.

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I hadn't, I didn't only watch one of the movies before and we just reached our 125th episode

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as well.

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So cheers.

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Cheers to yours.

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Brandini on rise of the Lycans was our one 25 on this, uh, this, uh, probably, yeah,

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this is the final up of 2024.

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So cheers to you on that.

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Here.

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See you on that.

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And what a, what a, what an episode.

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So it's been, uh, it's been interesting times here in the polarized kingdom.

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And I think, I think there's rises, there's falls much like the, the Lycans, you know,

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but wow, what a, what a turbulent time for those Lycans and all of their existence.

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Like, I mean, all, all of the, everyone, every active member of this movie is whatever is

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a fine way to start the discussion, I guess, if you're, if you're ready or if there's any

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other opening steps, double duty today here.

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What's the double duty like the Lycan journey of existence is just so much term like subjugation

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and everything.

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And yeah, this one is like, I guess, yeah, the turn is them trying to rise again, you

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know, in their own near future sort of way rather than a ancient way.

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But this is a, a great, you know, microcosm really of so many faults of this movie in

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my mind is this idea of like, the Lycans are a subjugated race that is kind of the, um,

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is representative of something interesting in the overall lore that we've seen in the,

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in the first, in the three.

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Um, I would, yeah, really consider the proper three, right?

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Cause this definitely seems you wouldn't, yeah, you wouldn't include this.

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I would say in, I don't know, when you tell people about watching the underworld series,

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I feel like there's three movies to watch.

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And this is the first one where really goes in a direction, a lot of different new directions.

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And one of those turned tacked on, I might, I might say for this one where it's like,

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they very much had an idea of the world as they've said in the war.

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And this one feels like you can just tack it right onto the, to everything already happening.

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lore of the world that we never hear anything really about.

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It is just barely mentioned throughout it.

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Like it was, I took a lot of notes for this one.

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Cause like, cause I did not, for some reason, um, like people were mentioning a cleansing.

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There are, there have been two purges, two purges, yeah, two purges.

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And then there's just this overall, like whole industry that the like Finland is a part of

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because of the necessity to fight this virus.

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That is what the, like the world has been told has happened.

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It's non-humans are like, uh, the result of a virus that we're, you know, that we can't

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let spread and all of that.

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It's so brushed over that shit, which that should be like the whole movie.

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That should be the whole movie.

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Like in it, in it, oh man, it's, it, this movie commits like a million and one sins in my

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opinion on like, I, God, I could really like every step of the way it makes in my mind

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the wrong choice in what it should be going on, what it should be focusing on.

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Like it's also just visually too, because again, we, uh, both of us were such, are such

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huge fans of the, the, uh, a lot more of the practical stuff.

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And this of course gets so much more CGI and, uh, yeah, it just, it, uh, it wants to be

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like, uh, it wants to be these things that are popular at the time.

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And it does none of them.

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Well, it wants to be like a David Fincher type of like police thriller.

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It's extremely noir.

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This movie, but it's trying to, it's trying like in terms of like the rest of the movies,

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the first one kind of has those elements as well.

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The second one straight action, third one, like medieval fantasy action.

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everything and that, and that being like a big through line with him and, and just a

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lot more of uncovering the case.

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Definitely, definitely an element of the first one as well, but structurally, like right

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off the bat, it is putting you in a strange position with the Scott Speedman character,

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Michael, like puts you, puts you in a strange position there, which makes you think about

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movie making, which is bad in a bad way, because you're like, why isn't he in this?

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And they don't give you a satisfying reason whatsoever.

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In my mind in this movie, they give you like a little snippet of, of what's going to happen,

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you know, or like what happened in the past and how that's going to affect in the future

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and everything of them going, this explosion underwater between the two of them, but it

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is so vague and it just puts the audience in a place of just like, don't worry about

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it and not respecting the audience enough to give them a straight answer because Scott

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Speedman had scheduling conflicts or whatever.

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And they literally put his character on ice, Brandon, literally.

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Like it's not even a subtle fucking joke.

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Like I'm not even smart for having think, thought of it.

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I really feel like they're like, what if we just put him on ice?

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It's crazy.

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Like just, I can't, I couldn't believe that they couldn't find a way to just kill him

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in an emphatic sort of interesting way when you've done that to your two best guys already,

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you off Michael Sheen, you off Bill Nye, you know, and your own sort of Bill Nye is very

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satisfying way getting, you know, heads chopped in half.

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But to put them in this weird limbo when you have subject to, which we'll get into very

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soon right there, which is essentially the same thing.

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Like why even tease him or like give him a satisfying end if you're going to move on

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or run with that character, which you can't cause he's not available to shoot.

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So you're doing subject to, which is the exact same fucking storyline as one.

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There's a hybrid, except there's more in like genetic interference in a lab.

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That's the only real difference here, right?

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Is there's, there's a little bit more noir and there's a little bit more of like lab,

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you know, sort of experimentation, but I'm getting ahead of myself.

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I just, to settle on the Scott Speedman thing, do you have anything to add for like the Scott

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Speedman of it all?

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Cause that's like, that already put me in a weird place.

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It felt like they didn't work that out at all either.

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Like, like you're saying with the whole idea of the story, there's no way that was a part

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of the plan.

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I have tons of thoughts on the Scott Speedman because it really seemed like he was CGI and

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maybe he got the credit for it because of like, Oh, absolutely.

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It was a stand in for sure.

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Michael Sheen was a stand in in evolution.

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Absolutely.

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It was a stand in because the face looks so weird.

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That was mapped on probably.

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Yeah, it was mapped on and it, yeah, James, I mean, what a great, another, like it just,

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again, we're going to, I'm, I can already feel it.

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It's going to be just thing after thing with this movie because it just does so many things

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poorly.

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And yeah, with the Scott Speedman.

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So he represents the combination of the two.

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So then subject to is essentially him.

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So they do have to, they do have to put him away because if you want to do anything with

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the subject to character, then what she represents is the same exact thing that Scott Speedman

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would because Scott Speedman like her is a combination of two things, which was the promise

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of the

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A lab she was born of it, like whatever there's an element of that, but still can, yeah.

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And he, so his, him being a hybrid represents the future, but they want to map on this future

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where there's this totalitarian government that's oppressing the vampires and Likens,

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but there's none of it is explained how they're doing that.

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I don't even know how much I can really get into this because it's not like we get any

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real like interior to the Covens really, we just show up there.

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Then they have a discussion and then we're gone.

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Like this movie couldn't give a fuck about like focusing on a thing and making and like

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drilling down and going like, Oh, this is an interesting idea.

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Let's, you know, this adds to the, like the, the underworld lore.

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This adds to the, you know, the world and makes this, this franchise unique.

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And God damn it.

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It's like you already are introduced to the villain and you know, he's the bad guy.

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And then it, okay, now I'm, well, what's frustrating about that and like to not, yeah, to try to

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stop myself as well, but like that the antagonist, the guy from V for vendetta, whatever his

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name is, who is doing this American accent for some reason, just have him do his British

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accent.

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I don't understand why they have him do an American accent.

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His son is, we don't even know what the city we're in.

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Yeah.

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And his son is British.

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His, his son has a, has an English accent.

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Just make him fucking like, why that makes it even weirder that they have different accents.

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It's a son and he is, it's his natural accent.

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James, this movie is dripping in sons.

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Yeah.

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The son, the sins of our fathers.

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This movie has a lot of son stuff in it.

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It really was kind of shocking at a point where I'm like, wow, it's really a lot of

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like parental stuff is all is, is like kind of emotional.

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Mothers and daughters.

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Mothers and daughters and fathers and sons.

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Yeah.

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But my, like my original point with that guy too is no, no, that was, we got to, I had

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to, we had to go there, but was he was supposed to represent the humans, which was a big deal

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in this movie at like at the beginning, like, right.

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Which evolution gets a little bogged down with having to represent everybody and get

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into everyone's little nitty gritty thing.

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But this one really just doesn't bother because they don't even mention whatever that Illuminati

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sort of fact faction is, but also all of the human, like some sort of representation of

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the human ideal to eradicate these monsters.

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There was no representation of that in a figurehead of that ideal, whether it be one character,

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whether it be new snippets of a fucking, you know, there was only a little, the very beginning

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of just like, you know,

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How do the human beings feel about this?

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We have no idea about how other human beings are reacting to this.

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Are they for it?

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Cause I would assume some of them are probably for some of this exchange.

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Like, you know, as long as the vampires don't kill people or whatever, like I guess, you

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know, they're, you know, that can be something.

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You only get two and they're extremely like sympathetic characters.

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You get the detective who's like, you know, like arguably almost, almost like,

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Yeah.

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So everything is very general, vague, broad, and this shit, but like he's, he's represents

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some sort of like heart and goodness in humanity.

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And then there's the assistant who, when she sticks up for what's right, she gets immediately

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off and then that's the true reveal of them being Likens, which in turn is a twist and

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reveals the Likens, but then undercuts the antagonists completely.

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Cause that antagonist was the humans.

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So now you're telling me it's the Likens that are not, they have all this genetic engineering,

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but then this is purely just to come up with a whatever silver nitrate free, whatever sort

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of way of like not having super healing.

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Yeah.

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They're all there.

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It seems like both factions in the senior future are trying to deal with their, you

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know, the things that have their weaknesses or whatever, and trying to overcome them genetically

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cool ideas, but, and the humans trying to eradicate them kind of cool idea too, but

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it's amazing how you folk, yeah.

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The spotlights on the wrong thing in a weird way.

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In every which way it was.

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Okay.

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So something similar and I know I'm jumping ahead, but we got to move through this.

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I like our cruising.

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Yeah.

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No.

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So the, when we get to the coven, so just to real quick is Selena escapes because she

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was captured.

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Her daughter, we find out later released her that's 10 years ago, which I always kind of

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hate that in a movie when it starts and then it's like 12 years, 12 years immediately in

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the future.

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It's like, maybe just start the movie there.

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Like, I don't know.

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Like if you're going to do a huge time jump so quick, it's so soon into the movie.

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Like, no, you get cut in every single movie on her brooding on the top of a church.

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And then one of my kind of least favorite tropes as well is like a montage of news clips

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to tell you what's going on.

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Yeah, totally.

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I understand it's necessary sometimes, but man, it's just like, so there's a flashback

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and then there's the news news clip.

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Right.

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You're just not.

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And again, it's like, oh man, lack of confidence, right.

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And the writing, like just have people say and do things that are in response to the

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world around them.

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Like you don't need to tell us about that.

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Just have them fucking talk about it.

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And it's just the way I totally get that too, where it's so, it's so hockey.

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It's like adding the talking floating head in the first, in David Lynch's Dune.

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It's like, just this thing where it's like, or like Blade Runner narration or whatever.

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So you've got to like, you gotta just explain it to them.

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And the thing is, is that we're in the fourth fucking movie of a franchise.

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Why are we doing full recaps?

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Like what are we doing here?

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No, like, I'm sorry, but no one, the percentage of people who are going to blindly walk into

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underworld four is so, so small and I'm sure they're probably that even that particular

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group of people is brought in by somebody who can easily go like, okay, so this is what

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happened in the first one.

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And then just enjoy the movie for you.

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There's no one blindly just listening to our underworld for podcast, Brandon.

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If they are, they're getting quite a treat.

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I will try.

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I should include the timestamp for when red one starts, if anyone is interested in that.

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But no, man, it blew my mind.

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A movie that going in, I knew was a toy to 90, a toy 90.

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It was like 88, 88 minutes.

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And then when I started first, like five to 10 minutes flashback, montage of newscasts

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and then I get to the end and it ends with like another like 10 to 10 to 12 minutes left.

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Yeah.

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I was like, this movie was 70 minutes in.

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Just don't make the movie.

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God damn it.

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Like, yeah, it's obviously you didn't.

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Oh, man.

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There's also got speedmills available if that's really what's in the plan.

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But I don't know.

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I don't think that would have fixed it.

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Oh, the coven thing is OK.

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So yeah, like we established that there's this girl who is Celine's daughter.

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That whole reveal happens pretty quickly.

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And then they go to run away from the Likens and hide away in a coven that then is like

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revealed as, oh, the guy that brings you in, Theo James from season two of White Lotus

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is like, oh, that's who he is.

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You know, this is actually my father and this was my coven.

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But I was, you know, I'm kind of an outcast renegade type because.

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I want what is his goal?

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Tell me, OK, here's goal is he is the.

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What is his motive?

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He wants to say, OK, I'm going to just skip by that because the movie doesn't care about

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answering my question.

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He's the most basic ass character, man.

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And he's just dude.

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He's just man.

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Dude, man, dude, man.

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So we get to the coven and the point that I'm trying to get at that was relating to

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what we already said is this idea of there is zero like time spent to understand both

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sides of like what Charles Dance wants and what Theo wants.

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And it is it was hilarious to me to for them to then go, we have to uprise and make a decision

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on who's the right and who's the wrong here.

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And you don't we've never been like introduced to his like Theo James should have like a

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right hand man, you know, or like three buddies or like leaders of the rebellion faction within

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the coven that had a.

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Clearly like clearly communicated agenda.

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No, it's just like are attacking us again.

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We have to fight them in interchange with your dad.

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You're too conservative.

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I'm trying to take us in this new modern direction.

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OK, fine.

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We got to fight the like ends.

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Let's put our stuff aside and then move on.

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And it's just like.

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Why is there that covenant?

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What is the at this point?

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In the in the series, that's where we're at is more information about how covens are interworking

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with each other, maybe in the US or maybe across the world.

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Like we need more of the politics of covens because.

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Are the vampires doing well in this post apocalyptic, oppressive like regime or like?

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I don't know.

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It's just it's so unclear of what the fuck is going on with anybody, man.

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It's just trying to be thinking about it.

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I was losing my goddamn mind watching this movie being like.

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All you're doing is pausing a thing and then moving briskly onto the next thing.

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And I barely understand what people really want.

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And I guess I didn't have too much of an issue, though, with like what's happening, though,

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I guess.

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Is that's relatively simple because they're just really running around like it's really

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just like run away.

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The like ends are getting us.

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And then there's the whole new war detective stuff.

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Oh, it's got its babies first noir.

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I mean, it's it's it's but there's a vibe that has the vibe of a noir with a detective

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and everything.

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Yeah, it's awful specifically because we know who the there's no mystery he's uncovering.

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No, no, there really isn't.

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No, there's no mystery.

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What is he like every step of the way?

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They're like, yeah, it's these guys.

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It's more about just waiting for Kate Beckinsale and him to connect and share the information

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that they know with each other.

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But even then, it's it's it's just a matter of when the like and reveal happens.

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And I guess we're off to the races like I don't know, like.

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So disjointed because because the the sharing of information is so dependent upon timing

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things out in a way of certain characters knowing things and the audience knowing things

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as well.

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And one of those is like whether Scott Speedman is alive or not, like that's really the thing

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that she's worried about a lot of the time, too, of whether of what she remembers.

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And then she uses the the truth blood of subject two to find out.

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And then is, yeah, like all of this is to what end?

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And the writing really is just a genre that is delicately like placed on top of what already

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exists as an action, a big dumb action movie.

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And then they put the delicately placed these little sort of, you know, noir things in.

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But you're right.

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There really is no core mystery.

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The subject two thing is like as you're like, oh, that's got to be her daughter.

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Like she's like, yeah, I'm your daughter.

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Oh, yeah, of course.

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OK, so then now we're dealing with her and the mother daughter thing, which is interesting

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because there's a moment where, yeah, I don't know, keep back and sales like crying and

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it's really touching to a degree.

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It's just I feel so bad for her, man.

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That's that was kind of a prevailing vibe of mine is like, man, she just seems.

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Is like in a such a shitty movie right now.

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And this movie is doing her dirty and I really don't.

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I mean, it makes her look awesome still.

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Unfortunately, there's no point to it.

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And when Theo James comes in.

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It's just there's no reasoning to it.

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He just shows up and it's just automatically like, oh, you will be the guy in the movie.

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You will be hero man, dude.

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And that and that coven scene was just trying to highlight, I guess, the genetic sort of

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makeup of subject to and the fact that she is a little different than she was never,

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you know, she never she was never bitten or anything.

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And she has different properties beyond that.

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They get into this drama of Charles Dance and his son.

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And I get what they're doing is they're bringing in an esteemed British act, elder British

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actor to give the movie gravitas and give it, you know, certified sort of bad ass attitude

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that Bill Nye gave.

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And he fucking kills it.

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Of course, I think it's I think it's hilarious seeing him wear big, dumb, fake vampire teeth

469
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,640
and still kill it, even though he's like, what do you want?

470
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,840
He can't even like speak correctly, but he's like such a consummate professional that he's

471
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,440
like, I'm going to fucking kill it.

472
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,360
Even the gift Theo James, those big dumb teeth.

473
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,240
See how he fucking nails it.

474
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,060
I don't know.

475
00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:09,640
But that action scene, is that the is that the best of the action?

476
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,560
I guess there's that set piece.

477
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,280
And then there's the last set piece in between the two.

478
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,800
The car chase is interesting.

479
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,680
I think I like this.

480
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,000
Which one?

481
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,000
The car chase.

482
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,000
Yeah, yeah.

483
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,320
Where there's just a van that's unlocked and they just get in and then she uses a knife

484
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,400
to start it when she stabs the knife into the ignition and turns it, you know.

485
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,400
Right, right.

486
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,400
Yeah, there's some fun like.

487
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:38,680
And there's like a van chase and then the Likens are jumping on cars and it looks terrible

488
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:46,000
in a lot of ways because there's the you can be clearly tell that obviously the CG Liken

489
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,280
is mapped onto the physical action of the car.

490
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,520
And so there's just this like.

491
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:57,040
It doesn't quite land on things the way that it needs to for it to look fluid and good.

492
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,600
It's just like it's very like lightweight.

493
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,600
You know.

494
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:08,000
And there was some stuff that was cool about the van because there's like the way that

495
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,560
they shoot it there.

496
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,520
It's there's genuinely some striking stuff there.

497
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,240
A lot of like, yeah.

498
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,320
Yeah, I thought that part was cool.

499
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,840
There's a fair amount of like car stuff because, yeah, there's that chase in the first set

500
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,220
when the first set pieces and then at the end, it pretty much takes place in a parking

501
00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:31,440
garage and there's a lot of cars being thrown around.

502
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,160
And one of my favorite moments is when there's a van driving out and Kate Beckinsale just

503
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:44,040
body checks the van and pushes it and she just fucking rolls over.

504
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,360
There's some other thing where like she like slides underneath a van and then uses her

505
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,520
feet on one to like push herself back underneath or whatever.

506
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,760
I can't describe it with my words.

507
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,760
Good enough.

508
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,240
But it just looked like so cool.

509
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,120
The physics of it made it actually like kind of make sense, even though the rest of the

510
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,440
stuff is like floaty and it's hard to tell like depth perception sometimes between the

511
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:12,200
fake like in CG like in and the real person that's like, oh, I can't even tell who's in

512
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,480
front and who's behind because the perspective is weird.

513
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:25,080
But there is every now and like there's a use of big rubber dummy like and still it's

514
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,640
the fact that like there's and in that you have the coven too.

515
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,000
There's still parts there where there's often was cool.

516
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,000
I love the set design on the coven.

517
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,920
I mean, one of my notes was it was reminded me of Pirates of the Caribbean ride.

518
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:48,440
There's because the because the girl is she gets her own room, but it's like so cavernous

519
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:54,160
and to the extent that there's like a hole in the wall that like goes through.

520
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,400
And I want to see that there's like stalactites and stalagmites and there's like a little

521
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,440
pool just like in the eye was so cool.

522
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,800
I really dug the vibe of the coven, but we spend very little time there.

523
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,280
Oh, you know, because they get there and then the like it's attack and then we're into like

524
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,280
in fighting.

525
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,280
And at that point, we get introduced to the big like it, which is the first appearance

526
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:24,080
of a Gollum ask like, I like that.

527
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,560
I like a big like and I like I like some of the weaponry.

528
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,920
Theo James has this knife sword thing.

529
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,040
He has got that wit.

530
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,760
The whip is cool.

531
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,200
You wrap it around, wraps it around a wapsie to wound a wiken.

532
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:45,440
And it's a webbing hunting season.

533
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,520
I was really hoping he was going to like decapitated with, but you know, he fucking strangles it

534
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:56,320
with like the chain whip and there's like, yeah, that that's sword knife thing.

535
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,480
But then he gets taken out.

536
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,720
And then what happens is is a rise of Skywalker situation.

537
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,720
Something we I don't.

538
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,720
Right.

539
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,080
Yeah, we I don't think we knew that she had this power.

540
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,680
No, this is a rise in Skywalker situation, Brandon.

541
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,520
It's like, oh, you could just heal stuff.

542
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,520
Ray Skywalker.

543
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,520
Wow.

544
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,760
You could do well.

545
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,600
Well, it's really it's so metal to a degree, right?

546
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,400
She's like, I like it.

547
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,480
He sticks her hand in his chest and bumps his heart.

548
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,880
Dude, I do like it.

549
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,040
And it is kind of like Chekhov's ability to go inside.

550
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:44,440
Comes back later where he opens it up and puts a grenade in there.

551
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,440
I fucking love that.

552
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,440
That was good.

553
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,040
I dug the shit out of that.

554
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,880
That was sick because that was a moment in where I was engaging with the movie where

555
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:58,160
when she did that, I was like, oh, she's going to grab his heart and make it explode.

556
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,160
And then she doesn't.

557
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,280
And he's just like, you know, I fucking heal really quickly.

558
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,840
She's like, I was planning on it.

559
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,880
And then she's speaking on it gives him like the needle, the pen or whatever.

560
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,880
Yeah.

561
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,880
Great moment because I'm talking at the movie.

562
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,880
I'm engaging.

563
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,880
I'm like, oh, what is she doing?

564
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,880
Well, oh, she's going to make it harder.

565
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:14,880
Oh, she put the grenade in there.

566
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,880
Oh, she put the grenade.

567
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,880
Yeah.

568
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,800
You know, or like the other one was was it Westbrook?

569
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:28,160
Spentley, I think his name is who's a he's an interstellar and like other shit.

570
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,960
He's like pushed up against the glass in the building and she's in kind of a noir element

571
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,920
to of this interrogating for information.

572
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,920
It's not so quickly.

573
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:38,920
Intense, dude.

574
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,320
Yeah, I really thought he was going to be like, he was going to be like a mole or something

575
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,560
or some sort of form of information moving on or something.

576
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,400
But she's like getting in the information, gets the information and it's holding him

577
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,400
over.

578
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,640
And he's like, let me go.

579
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,680
I did that for you or whatever.

580
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:58,680
He's like, oh, what is it?

581
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,680
What is it?

582
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,680
I fucked it up.

583
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:01,680
I fucked it up.

584
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,840
He's like, let me go.

585
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,840
I did that.

586
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,840
He's like, yeah, I'll do the same for you.

587
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,840
I forget.

588
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,840
I don't know.

589
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,840
I let you go.

590
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,840
And she's like, oh, I'll do the same for you.

591
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,840
And then she let him go.

592
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,840
I'm sorry.

593
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:12,840
I fucked it up.

594
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,840
And then she does.

595
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,840
She lets him go and then jumps off.

596
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:22,920
And then he fucking explodes into a hill of blood on a car as he's screaming, careening

597
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:23,920
to his death.

598
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,560
And the greediest thing that's happened in this whole franchise, arguably, I don't know.

599
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,560
It's pretty fucked up.

600
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,560
It's really upsetting.

601
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,880
I've never seen her have like such a care, like less of a care for life.

602
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,880
Oh my God.

603
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,880
Right.

604
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,880
Yeah.

605
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,480
She's always seemed so like calculated.

606
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,280
It's I'm killing out of necessity.

607
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,120
And it's just like, fuck you.

608
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,520
You're going to you're dead because he did kind of stick up for her on her way out of

609
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,520
the lab.

610
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,520
That's what I'm saying.

611
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,520
Yeah.

612
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:58,280
It was so brutal that she did that because he let her go.

613
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,280
Mm hmm.

614
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,800
So just the same for him.

615
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,480
Such a terrible person.

616
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,080
Just for that setup of the line.

617
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,080
That's all.

618
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,080
That's all it was for.

619
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,080
All that it is.

620
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,080
Yeah.

621
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:15,480
And then it's it's really like her and her daughter, which is like, I don't know, in

622
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,880
my mind, like it seems like a logical place for the franchise to go.

623
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,200
But for whatever reason, it doesn't really satisfy me too much.

624
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,720
Still, man, still, I don't know what it is.

625
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:27,640
I don't know why it's so hard.

626
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,880
But like, give me a satisfying hybrid of fucking like in vampire.

627
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,040
I don't know.

628
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:38,240
I don't know how it can be so difficult to just like, like, go over the top with it.

629
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,280
Like fucking crazy.

630
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,280
Like I like like the wolf bat.

631
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,280
I don't know.

632
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,280
Yeah.

633
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:51,200
Wings and for wind wolf, wind wolf, something like it with wings.

634
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,200
Shit.

635
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,280
But no, Scott Speedman's skin goes like obsidian.

636
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,320
And then subject to looks like fucking a goth girl.

637
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,320
I don't know.

638
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,800
Yeah, like the grunge girl.

639
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,800
I don't understand how it's it's so hard for in a movie like this to just be like, fuck

640
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:12,200
it, dude, like, yeah, she does look like a grunge girl, too.

641
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,800
I mean, it just it looks like a Tim Burton fever dream or something.

642
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:22,480
But the funny thing, too, is it was just really inconsistent.

643
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,120
There were some times where she was like more white black circles.

644
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,320
And then it was just like all these like weird versions of that.

645
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,040
It was never consistent on her.

646
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,040
Yeah.

647
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,040
Sometimes it was CGI, too.

648
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:39,040
It was really bizarre to just like not commit to what that like that.

649
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,040
Yeah.

650
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,760
Look of her being in that state is what you just like solidify that and go like, OK, so

651
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,800
every time she does this, it's going to be this.

652
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,800
It's like on the day you're like, do this.

653
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,800
It's so wild.

654
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,800
It's never enough.

655
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,800
Yeah.

656
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,120
There's the truth blood thing where you get the first vision of her like just looking

657
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,360
in the mirror.

658
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,760
And I feel like that was pretty CGI of like, well, what do we what are we looking at here?

659
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,840
But that's such like the truth.

660
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,040
But it's such a plot device that's so convenient when it's needed.

661
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:15,920
But get careening, I guess, feel like I feel like to this final set piece, I can go over

662
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:16,920
some of them.

663
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:28,040
I took a little bit of notes before we move on to part two of the of the Ducer is, yeah,

664
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:35,520
is this final battle, I'd say, in the reveal of of what's his face being a lichen.

665
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,560
It just didn't have the intended effect.

666
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:44,160
However, I feel like there are some moments in this battle that are kind of fun.

667
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,760
But I feel like that then being lichens didn't do anything to me.

668
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,520
I was just like, oh, OK, no.

669
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,520
Yeah.

670
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,520
Right.

671
00:39:53,520 --> 00:40:00,000
So again, there's no clear objective that of what having these evolved lichens would

672
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,920
really do outside of like a general, like they're more powerful.

673
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,320
But again, it's like, well, then what's over?

674
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,120
That was the only thing that the guy mentioned.

675
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:11,120
Yeah.

676
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,120
Sure.

677
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,120
But if it go out during the day.

678
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,120
Yeah.

679
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,120
Right.

680
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,120
But like, they can get blown up.

681
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,680
So I mean, I don't know, again, again, like there just always seems like there could be

682
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:28,040
that's that's not a solution to an agenda we really don't understand.

683
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,600
It's like insult to injury.

684
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,120
It's I I don't really understand.

685
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,880
Like I don't understand it in a lot of ways.

686
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,960
Like now I'm thinking about like, so the the doctor, the guy from V from Vendetta, like

687
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,160
so he OK, say he it all goes to plan.

688
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,120
So is he like, is he seeking power?

689
00:40:52,120 --> 00:41:00,240
Like I don't like again, is he just doing it again to support a revolution?

690
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,400
I who knows?

691
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:11,000
So this is what antigen antigen is the company who knows that he is in charge of antigen

692
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,240
and is a lichen that would have any sort of consequence over that meaning anything like,

693
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,240
oh, actually, I'm a lichen.

694
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,600
I don't like within the story of the movie.

695
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,520
Yeah, that's that is of consequence to us who's rooting for our main character, Kate

696
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:33,800
Beckinsale, but to the world around us of a world that is controlled and ruled by humans

697
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,760
in which there's been two purges of these monsters.

698
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:43,120
You're telling me there is this guy who is a lichen in charge of this thing called antigen

699
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,860
who looks this big company.

700
00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:47,960
Let's see some of the fucking intrigue there.

701
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,200
Let's see some of the espionage and the noir elements of like, what would it take to run

702
00:41:52,200 --> 00:42:02,240
a shadow corporation that genetically experiments on lichens to remove weaknesses from them?

703
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:04,320
And like, if do the humans know about this?

704
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,320
Do they not?

705
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,360
Is there another cute coup situation like the first one in the in the first and second

706
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,360
one?

707
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,520
No, it's more the first one where I feel like it was almost bursting at the seams with ideas

708
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,080
where like they needed to focus in a bit.

709
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,560
And now seeing them kind of have the ability to run wild with it.

710
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,440
It's like really disappointing.

711
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:29,920
Yeah, when it just doesn't pan out in the way that it that it should.

712
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,320
I just Yeah, I feel like that's that whole that whole thing.

713
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:39,760
I feel like I've said in multiple different ways this this episode of just what the relationship

714
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,800
between the humans and lichens are, because that was also something that was fascinating

715
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,760
about the rise of lichens and the other ones.

716
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:47,760
Yeah, and even evolution.

717
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,520
The movie that was my least favorite so far was like the Luminati there.

718
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,680
I thought that was interesting too.

719
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,680
And then rise of lichens.

720
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,360
It was like the village people.

721
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:02,240
They were subjugated by the fucking vampires and they were looking to the lichens to help

722
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,240
overthrow them.

723
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:04,240
Cool.

724
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:05,240
Interesting.

725
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,520
There's like a weird three piece sort of power grab that's sort of going on.

726
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:10,760
Anytime there's a coup or something.

727
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,240
I like I like that.

728
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:17,640
This one has just like these little breaths and wisps of those some things with like

729
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,200
barely any follow through.

730
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,080
And they're just like, Yeah, you get it.

731
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,080
You get it.

732
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,080
You get it.

733
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,080
Yeah.

734
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,080
And other movies like this.

735
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,080
Yeah.

736
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,080
What the hell?

737
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,080
Yeah, you get it.

738
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,080
You get it.

739
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,440
Here's here's more of that shit.

740
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,440
You already know.

741
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,440
I don't know.

742
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,000
And all they say is like, actually, those humans that you thought were humans were actually

743
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:42,240
lichens and we're going to shortchange both lichens and humans by doing their narrative

744
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:47,120
choice with that and then provide satisfactory answer to either.

745
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,960
And in my mind, if I had to rewrite anything, not that I want to rewrite it, but but just

746
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,880
like or what I do it, what I assumed that it would be when I was watching it as I was

747
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:03,560
watching it was that dude antagonist was a human all along.

748
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,560
Yeah.

749
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:10,160
And he was experimenting on lichens for his own, you know, sort of advantage.

750
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:16,160
And he has some sort of coup as a human with the lichens and some other human in charge

751
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,560
that benefits both or something that you found something that can cure human cancer or some

752
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,240
shit, some bullshit, you know, make it some fucking stupid.

753
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:27,040
I know that sounds stupid, but whatever it's like, oh, it cures silver.

754
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,160
It makes you immune to silver nitrate and also cancer cells.

755
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,160
I don't know.

756
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,160
Like 100%.

757
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:41,360
We really needed the villain to have a villain speech to go like, this is why I'm doing

758
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,360
this.

759
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,800
This is why I'm, you know, feel this way.

760
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,560
And and this felt like his assistant.

761
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,120
He was just poo pooing you the whole time.

762
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,320
It's such a miscasting because this guy is too muted.

763
00:44:54,320 --> 00:45:01,280
He's always he's he is served well in V for Vendetta because he is a cop.

764
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,640
He is a detective.

765
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,320
He is supposed to be very measured.

766
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:13,960
And we don't want why would we want the evil doctor like a doctor that's making super

767
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,480
like ins to be this like not a crazy person.

768
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,480
Yeah.

769
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,960
I want you know what?

770
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,000
I wish Charles Dance was that guy and the rules were swept.

771
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,000
We're reversed.

772
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Sure.

773
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,000
Yeah.

774
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,720
Or man, I watched Bones and all again recently, whatever that guy's name is from like Bridge

775
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:32,920
of Spies and stuff.

776
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,320
I forget whatever that guy is.

777
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,520
That guy is awesome.

778
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,520
I don't know.

779
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:46,720
It just I see some semblance of an idea and it's just a bummer that it's so watered down

780
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:52,580
and and then it's still just peppering the Scott Speedman thing along.

781
00:45:52,580 --> 00:45:56,640
So by the end, you're like going to the lab and you're like, oh, this is where oh, and

782
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,640
then you see him.

783
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,400
Oh, it's fucking Scott Speedman.

784
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,680
He's on ice.

785
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:01,680
He's just here.

786
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,840
And we can't talk to him and we can't interact with him, but he's around.

787
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,440
It's just like such a representation of what what's going on behind scenes.

788
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,440
It's a call.

789
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,440
Corbin sickle Corbin sickle.

790
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,520
There's also this whole thing like I feel like there is one when that first that miss

791
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,000
was poured in on her when she was trying to escape.

792
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,240
It was like Fentanyl mist distributed.

793
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:31,600
It was like, oh, that's just Fentanyl and all that fucking.

794
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,600
Holy shit.

795
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:33,600
Oh, shit.

796
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:34,600
So cool.

797
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,600
Gnarly.

798
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,720
So fucking yeah, so bad.

799
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:44,720
But that guy does turn into a werewolf at some point, which I thought was interesting.

800
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:50,720
And then you get this duel that I thought would have been reversed where, you know,

801
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:55,540
older one would be fighting the older one like it'd be Kate Beckinsale versus a guy

802
00:46:55,540 --> 00:46:59,000
from V for Indetta, the younger guy versus subject to.

803
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,600
But no, it's it's reversed.

804
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,120
So he is fighting.

805
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,440
I got to find his name.

806
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:12,840
And then the big, big like in this fighting Kate, his name is Steven Ray, Steven Ray.

807
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,400
And I guess it kind of because like it is kind of Kate Beckinsale is kind of prime.

808
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,600
And then like big like it's kind of prime.

809
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,920
But there's some cool stuff that happens.

810
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,480
Namely, dude gets his jugular ripped out.

811
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:26,480
That shit was awesome.

812
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,480
I loved that.

813
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,480
That was sick.

814
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,480
Yeah, that was great.

815
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:40,160
There's a couple of things like that, too, where subject to like rips like splits like

816
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,160
it's in.

817
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,160
Yeah, it was awesome.

818
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,360
It was in the middle of the car chase.

819
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,320
Yeah, it just drops his body off the off the car.

820
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,160
Yeah, this movie does have a couple of those moments that I get.

821
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,160
That's that.

822
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,160
That's the that's the good stuff.

823
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,680
Give me more.

824
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:01,800
Yeah, like weird weaponry like that chain with a spiky whip, like more weird, cool,

825
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,600
spiky long knife swords that are just going to go.

826
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

827
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,920
And it just came back and sail just like miss aiming completely.

828
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:19,160
But do we'll be down the hallway just like she's missing every shot.

829
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:25,000
Sometimes she was in an air duct and she's shooting it all around it.

830
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,800
And then she throws a grenade at the fan, doesn't destroy the fan, but the fan blows

831
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,600
silver particles towards the like.

832
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:31,600
And this genius genius.

833
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,080
Oh, I just remembered something, too.

834
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:42,160
But you got we got a homage in this movie with the same thing.

835
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,160
It's bullets.

836
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,160
Yeah, it's the it's the she shoots.

837
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,160
Yeah, that's the same thing.

838
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,160
I was thinking.

839
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:52,600
So it was in the first one, she shoots a circle below her and then goes down this one.

840
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,000
She shoots a circle above her and then the elevator falls.

841
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,040
Oh, my God, they're doing it.

842
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,520
Holy shit.

843
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,520
It was great.

844
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,520
Oh, cool.

845
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,400
That blew my mind, dude.

846
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,920
I couldn't believe what they were doing.

847
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,080
I was like, why is she shooting at the is the guy in the elevator?

848
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,080
Does she think he's in there?

849
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,720
Oh, wait, I see what's happening.

850
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:17,720
Oh, wait.

851
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:22,880
Yeah, he can a whole.

852
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,040
That's a good callback.

853
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,040
That's a good callback.

854
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,040
I like that.

855
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,600
So a lot of callbacks are not good, but that one was a good one.

856
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,600
I like that.

857
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,600
Yeah, I like that one a lot.

858
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,600
All right.

859
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,480
So yeah, we get jugular rippage and then we get a grenade in abdomen.

860
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:42,280
And then he like it's one explosion and he's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

861
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,320
like slowly expands almost.

862
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,720
And then just kind of grisly seeing all the all the best blood and everything of that

863
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:50,720
one.

864
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:51,720
I like it.

865
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:52,720
I liked it.

866
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:53,720
You know what?

867
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:54,720
I liked it.

868
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,520
You know, 10 out of 10.

869
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:01,840
And then how does this movie end?

870
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:02,840
It doesn't.

871
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,840
It just stops.

872
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:04,840
It just stops.

873
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,840
It just stops.

874
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,840
It's what?

875
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,840
Yeah, it just stops.

876
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:08,840
Right.

877
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,040
In my mind, that's how you like it.

878
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:16,320
So they like punctured Scott Speedman's little cells to like let him dethaw.

879
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,320
Yeah.

880
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,320
And that.

881
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,320
OK, that's it.

882
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,320
It really does just end.

883
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,320
It just ends.

884
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,320
Yeah.

885
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,680
You're like, because there's no again, there's no motivated like we nothing was solved.

886
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,680
There was nothing fucking solved in this movie.

887
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,520
We literally go back to like, OK, I guess she's just OK.

888
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,520
I'm Scott Speedman.

889
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,520
You might be OK.

890
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,080
And we're back to where we started.

891
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,080
It's a full circle.

892
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,720
We got you know what?

893
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:46,520
It's one of those movies where if it just didn't exist, nothing would have changed.

894
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:54,000
I mean, for real, like all it means is that all I got out of this is instead of Scott

895
00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:00,800
Speedman being the hybrid, it's subject to who is a different kind of hybrid.

896
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,040
But rather than removing Scott Speedman from it, they made it all messy and they kept him

897
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,200
on ice.

898
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,240
And now whatever movie is going to be next is going to be there's going to be two hybrids.

899
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:11,240
Who fucking cares?

900
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:12,240
I don't know.

901
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:20,640
It just it's it's muddying the waters of something that is fun and simple and great.

902
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,840
And you're just like, I don't know.

903
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,940
It's it's yeah, like to the base point of just like it's a movie about humans having

904
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:30,800
to eradicate everything.

905
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:31,800
I get it.

906
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,800
But.

907
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,800
Period.

908
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,520
I mean, you just skip that.

909
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:37,520
I don't know.

910
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,200
It's amazing that you just skip showing that because that seems like an interesting thing

911
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:45,800
to get more into and having human characters.

912
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,840
Just like it's just the one detective.

913
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:49,840
It's the one detective.

914
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:50,840
It's one detective.

915
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:56,320
And you know, just looks like, oh, OK, well, oh, his his one little thing before we wrap

916
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,160
up is that what his his wife turned into a vampire.

917
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:01,160
That's right.

918
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,160
And then they were knocking on doors.

919
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,880
And then she gets.

920
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:04,880
Yeah.

921
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:05,880
Yeah.

922
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:06,880
She incinerates herself.

923
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:08,920
That's why we care for him.

924
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:09,920
That's why we care for him.

925
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:10,920
All right.

926
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,520
My notes for Underworld Awakening was syringe and eyeball.

927
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,520
That was fucking.

928
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:15,520
Yeah, right.

929
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,520
Man, every single time.

930
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,520
That's a terrible.

931
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,520
Yeah.

932
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:19,520
And he's like, I've been taken to myself, actually.

933
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:25,360
I'm like, well, show me you doing that to yourself, motherfucker, because that looks

934
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,360
really tough.

935
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,360
It's like a David Lynch movie at that point.

936
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,000
Oh, oh, I'd watch that.

937
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,000
David Lynch.

938
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:34,000
I would love to.

939
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,000
I want to see what happens when vampires fight like a lot.

940
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,000
I would love that so much.

941
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:49,000
David Lynch directed it on just just a straight, like almost like like.

942
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,000
Yeah.

943
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,000
A solo entry into the franchise.

944
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,000
Really?

945
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,000
Yes.

946
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:03,600
Underworld six surprise move, the last entry in David Lynch's long illustrious career on

947
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,960
the throws of his mortal coil.

948
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,600
It will be directing six.

949
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:11,600
Eraser.

950
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,000
Blank into the like, into the like.

951
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,000
Yeah, into the like.

952
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,400
And that's way better.

953
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,880
Driving with the green screen at one point, we looked really bad.

954
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,200
Him hurt the detective and Kate Beckinsale in the car together.

955
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:31,600
You could see the fuzziness around their like profile, where their face began and the green

956
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,600
screen ended.

957
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,240
Everything looks so fucking blurry.

958
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,960
Oh, it was so bad.

959
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,480
I couldn't believe how how they did that.

960
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:40,760
The lights flashing in the lab.

961
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,920
I hated because they were like trying to make it seem like it was on the fritz, I guess.

962
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:49,800
Like you know, like, oh, alert, alert, evacuate, evacuate.

963
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:56,040
I love that there's a guy that was like picked up the like a microphone and he's like everybody

964
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,040
of vacuole levels.

965
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,440
I mean, it was amazing.

966
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:01,440
I forgot that.

967
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:08,240
There's this one guy that's his dolt job in this like really brutalist building.

968
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:12,640
It's all just like everything's so stark.

969
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:21,240
It's just like impressive, yeah, I'm going into a tomb.

970
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:22,280
What is color in this world?

971
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,280
I do not know.

972
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:28,720
There's there's like no pops at all of any sort of any sort of color, even when yeah,

973
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,720
like nevermind.

974
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:36,480
Yeah, the lights are just like going in such a rhythm that it's kind of annoying.

975
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,240
It's such like a set.

976
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:39,240
It just feels like a set.

977
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:45,480
Yeah, it doesn't feel real because it's just it's like the lighting designer just like,

978
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,520
you know, timing it's like a little too well.

979
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,320
It's not like when an explosion happens on the building, the lights just start to it.

980
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,320
It's like very rhythmic.

981
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,320
It's like sequence.

982
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:06,920
It's like, yeah, it was like a hallway and it would like go from back to back.

983
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,280
I mean, it looks fine, but that would never happen.

984
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,880
Maybe there's a lot of like blowing up the building.

985
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,080
Oh, yeah, we I think the elevator.

986
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,080
Yeah.

987
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,080
The cop car cop cars are really down.

988
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,240
Yeah, the elevator in particular, because it blows up that like portion of the building

989
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:26,320
again, I guess to what avail whatever.

990
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:33,440
Yeah, it's just that one column where everyone every looks like shit too.

991
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,880
Yeah, it looks really good.

992
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,680
Explosion looks awful.

993
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,440
It's like so again, like papered on there.

994
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:41,440
It's like here.

995
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,440
Here's the shot of the building.

996
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,320
And then it's like fake explosions on the side.

997
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:51,200
You're like, oh, yeah, I really want to like the silver grenades to or explode the like.

998
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,880
Yeah, but it was a little yeah.

999
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:59,960
Yeah, seems like the fog that was just perfectly covering her naked body as she emerges from

1000
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:00,960
her cell.

1001
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,800
And then there's just perfectly placed fog.

1002
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:04,800
Yeah.

1003
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,800
It's so bad.

1004
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,120
So bad.

1005
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:13,840
Yeah, those cop cars are like these big dumb peas on the side and just like I don't know,

1006
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,280
they're very badly designed.

1007
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:22,440
I thought Michael's on ice this movie shooting hole in the elevator.

1008
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,440
Lol.

1009
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,440
Yep.

1010
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,440
Okay.

1011
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,440
Yeah.

1012
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,440
Body checks.

1013
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,440
A car.

1014
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:29,440
Yep.

1015
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,440
Said that and jugular rippage.

1016
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,440
Cool.

1017
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,440
Okay.

1018
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:33,440
Those are my notes.

1019
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,440
I'm not sure if they're part, part musical.

1020
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,440
Actually, you know what?

1021
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:37,440
Can I go?

1022
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,440
I'm going to go pee real quick.

1023
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,440
Take a walk and pee pee.

1024
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:40,440
Okay.

1025
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,440
All right.

1026
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,440
We'll be right back.

1027
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,440
All right, we are back.

1028
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:53,040
Let's check out some of these reviews for Underworld Awakening, Underworld for the Awakening.

1029
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,040
What's being awakened, Brandon?

1030
00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:03,680
It's a good question, James is I guess we do see Celine awake.

1031
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,680
Yeah, it's gotta be it.

1032
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,960
From putting on ice for a bit.

1033
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,520
12 year slumber on ice.

1034
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,520
What did you say?

1035
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,520
She was, it's fentanyl.

1036
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,320
No, I mean, she's yeah.

1037
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,720
Once you emerges and then she starts to escape the like getting the stream, she's like, and

1038
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:27,920
then someone on the intercom, probably the guy who was like, ishkate room level seven,

1039
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:33,520
it was like, okay, initiate fentanyl smog, and then all the smoke starts coming.

1040
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,920
That's all just like fentanyl smoke that's supposed to stop her.

1041
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:38,920
Okay.

1042
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,920
2012.

1043
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,160
What a time.

1044
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:51,320
Underworld Awakening in 3D got a 25% from the critics, got a 62% from the audience

1045
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,480
is let's check out some thoughts from the critics.

1046
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,320
One out of five from Matt Singer from Time Out Chicago.

1047
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,640
Also missing most of the so I guess this is a carry on from his review.

1048
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:08,520
Most of the so called likens who their appearance and if you respectable action sequences, not

1049
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,900
withstanding are now nearly extinct.

1050
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:16,760
So was this franchise.

1051
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,880
Ethnel if you get a bad review from Matt Singer from Time Out Chicago.

1052
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,840
Tom Russo from Boston Globe says it's the most generic entry of the bunch.

1053
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:32,000
David Hiltbrand from Philadelphia and choir says there's not much to this movie beyond

1054
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,280
a slick procession of dark gleaming violence.

1055
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,920
Peter Howell from Toronto star.

1056
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,480
Beckinsale's leaning violence.

1057
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,920
Dark gleaming violence.

1058
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:49,280
There's not much to be honest like procession of dark gleaming violence.

1059
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,320
That's the name of my hyper pop album.

1060
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,920
Oh, I want to hear that.

1061
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:01,680
An underworld evolution sounds like a good name to just see if you out of context.

1062
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,360
You had no idea what it meant.

1063
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,200
Peter Howell Toronto star says.

1064
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Beckinsale Celine is back with a vengeance that famous black cat suit and two fully cox

1065
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:18,320
pistols having wisely set out the wretched the wretched third down.

1066
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,320
Holy shit.

1067
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:20,320
Who is this?

1068
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,320
Two fully cox pistols.

1069
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,800
Brandon who's who's the reviewer?

1070
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,600
Peter Howell Toronto star.

1071
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:26,600
Wow.

1072
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,840
Having wisely sat out the wretched third installment of the franchise.

1073
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,520
Don't expect much more than this.

1074
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,520
One and a half.

1075
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,400
Really hated that third one.

1076
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,080
Damn dude.

1077
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:44,720
Nick Schaeger box office magazine one and a half out of five with awakening the vampires

1078
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:51,200
versus werewolves underworld franchises finally decayed beyond the point of repair.

1079
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:57,000
And then from Rob humanic slant magazine point five out of four.

1080
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:02,040
The only thing that manages to outpace underworld awakenings ineptitude is is it is its utter

1081
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,040
soullessness.

1082
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,040
Well, they're vampires.

1083
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,720
So yeah, I'll do one.

1084
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,720
What do you want man?

1085
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,560
Tell me what you want man.

1086
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,560
Of course they don't have souls.

1087
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,560
God, what an idiot.

1088
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,240
Yeah we're good on the critics.

1089
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:33,120
Let's see some audience members with some positive reviews for all underworld awakening.

1090
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,920
Let's check out in the five star range here.

1091
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,400
On our trusty source.

1092
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:41,400
Little box.

1093
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,080
All right, let's see.

1094
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:44,080
We got five.

1095
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,080
Let her buy.

1096
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,080
Yeah, dude.

1097
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,080
Check it out.

1098
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,080
We check your little box.

1099
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,080
Little box.

1100
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:57,520
And we're doing strictly strictly five stars.

1101
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,160
All right, what do we got?

1102
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,100
James Borrelly five stars.

1103
01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:03,960
How do they keep making these masterpieces?

1104
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,840
Each one gets better and better.

1105
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,520
Nightfall five stars underworld meets umbrella corp.

1106
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:16,640
Okay, that's kind of an umbrella situation at the end.

1107
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,800
Michael stack five stars.

1108
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,500
This one was so wild, I can't even handle it.

1109
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:25,200
And the Evanescence song during the end credits is a lovely bonus.

1110
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,200
I'm having an amazing time.

1111
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,720
We listen to that song.

1112
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,040
I don't remember the song being that interesting.

1113
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:37,480
I remember immediately laughing at the fact that there was still like 10 to 12 minutes

1114
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:38,480
left in the movie.

1115
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,360
I was like, this shit's already over.

1116
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:42,360
That's crazy.

1117
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,880
It was an hour, 28, not an hour, 18.

1118
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:50,000
And the whole beginning was like 10 minutes of flashbacks.

1119
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,000
This movie was an hour long.

1120
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,000
That's crazy.

1121
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,000
I just watched Red One.

1122
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,000
That was two hours of bullshit.

1123
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,960
Okay, save it.

1124
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,640
From Parker Penn, 95 stars, my heart is not cold.

1125
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,120
It's broken.

1126
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,560
Underworld Awakening revisionism starts now.

1127
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,640
I could go on and on about how dizzyingly dizzyingly perfect and exciting.

1128
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:19,920
This is a native 3D masterclass, but I won't because I'd be here forever.

1129
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,800
The mother daughter thing in these action movies is certainly a bit of tired trope,

1130
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:24,800
but who cares?

1131
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:25,800
It gets me every time.

1132
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,200
So he is an honest to God character in this.

1133
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,000
And it's some beautiful shit.

1134
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:34,760
The most geeked I've been watching a movie in a long time.

1135
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,760
Take me back to the native 3D era.

1136
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,600
I seriously don't know what to write, man.

1137
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:48,520
This just did everything for me.

1138
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:53,200
Ray Kat Soup, five stars, cool dark haired woman with crazy eyes, with guns and all leather

1139
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,200
in a trench coat.

1140
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,520
Please, man, please.

1141
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,160
Wow, Jaylene five stars, one of the best ones.

1142
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,840
Everything was slash is amazing.

1143
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:09,440
Plus Theo James like, wow.

1144
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,320
It's Eli's favorite underworld movie.

1145
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,640
Five stars.

1146
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,680
Claire F says it just keeps getting better somehow.

1147
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:23,920
Karen says, so who keeps spandex and core sets in a freezer for 12 years?

1148
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,580
I like the new edition of Theo James.

1149
01:03:26,580 --> 01:03:27,760
Another fun rewatch.

1150
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,960
On to the last one.

1151
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,240
I think we're good.

1152
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,920
I'm happy with you.

1153
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,960
I'm happy.

1154
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:46,560
I can't believe we've got through four underworld movies, let alone talked in long discussion

1155
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:47,560
about each.

1156
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:55,760
And I also can't believe this website is advertising the conversation board game, Gene Hackman in

1157
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,320
the conversation board game.

1158
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,320
Wow.

1159
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,560
What a world that's being in this.

1160
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:06,400
The website knows that I love the conversation and board games.

1161
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:07,840
It's got me.

1162
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:12,960
After we do our reviews, let's rank these bad boys to.

1163
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,520
Oh, that's a good idea.

1164
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:15,520
Yeah, I could.

1165
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:16,520
I could do that.

1166
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:17,520
Yeah, right.

1167
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:18,520
Yeah.

1168
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,520
Do you want to kick off?

1169
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:21,520
Yeah, final.

1170
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:22,520
Yes.

1171
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:26,760
Let's do it.

1172
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:29,440
This movie is not good.

1173
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,440
There's very.

1174
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,440
Yeah.

1175
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:41,240
No, this movie is not good.

1176
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:47,000
Reason it's not good is because it is poorly written.

1177
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,440
Some of the action sequences I think is really the highlights for me.

1178
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,720
And even then it's like everything just is like.

1179
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,200
Yeah, it's.

1180
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:04,120
It's the problem with a lot of modern action movies where it's the.

1181
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:08,160
People's motivations are convoluted, not fleshed out or too simple or whatever.

1182
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,440
And you just really don't understand why we're doing this.

1183
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:18,840
And yeah, sometimes where the action is obviously going to be like how good an action sequences

1184
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:23,240
is going to be brought down because there's no good layup in context to it.

1185
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,520
And yeah, man, there's we've talked about.

1186
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:28,520
I don't want to.

1187
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,520
Yeah, I'm not going to be the dead of worse here.

1188
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,400
I did not care for this movie.

1189
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:38,920
Man, this franchise, though, is so much there.

1190
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:46,960
I am would love anybody to try to pick up the mantle of the underworld franchise and

1191
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,520
get into it.

1192
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:49,600
Wow.

1193
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:50,600
It's there.

1194
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,200
David Lynch, get on it.

1195
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:54,200
And I want.

1196
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:55,200
Yeah, I.

1197
01:05:55,200 --> 01:06:00,920
I am bought in on underworld.

1198
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,680
I'm glad you say that.

1199
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,960
Does the world a disservice?

1200
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,600
And I don't like it a lot for that.

1201
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:16,120
My score for this movie is going to be a 11 percent.

1202
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,320
Whoa, wow.

1203
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,320
Did not care for Underworld Awakening.

1204
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:33,240
Yeah, this one, I think for me and this franchise, it's always been about potential versus reality

1205
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,520
when I actually sit down and watch the movie.

1206
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:45,760
And I think every single one has some element of disappointing me, unfortunately.

1207
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:52,560
But the one that really just gives me what I want is Rise of the Lichens and the fact

1208
01:06:52,560 --> 01:07:00,360
that it is very simply vampires versus werewolves versus lichens in a medieval setting, acclaimed

1209
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:06,720
actors hamming it up, having a good time, fun action, practical effects.

1210
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:13,080
And it's done by a different director that invigorated the franchise in my mind in a

1211
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,760
different way, maybe not to certain critics, because critics have always hated this shit.

1212
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,600
And this one, yeah, I guess it's something we didn't mention was that there was a new

1213
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,240
director in this one.

1214
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:22,240
And what did they offer?

1215
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:26,160
I feel like it was very stale.

1216
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:31,080
You know, it being in a lab and everything, it was it was just very what's the word I'm

1217
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,520
looking for?

1218
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,720
Sterile.

1219
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,560
And I was frustrated.

1220
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,760
It's the frustration with the potential of the idea.

1221
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:47,960
So when it makes me think of when when we're ranking things and everything, like Underworld

1222
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,880
Evolution had kind of the greatest potential in a way, in a lot of ways.

1223
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:57,360
I was like, yeah, Underworld, the first one is set up a lot and it had all that had this

1224
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,680
coup and it had all this backstory of what happened in the past.

1225
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,160
And it made you so curious about it.

1226
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:10,880
And evolution had a big task to satisfy something that would take that story and move it forward.

1227
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,640
And it and it pretty much.

1228
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,800
It was so lukewarm.

1229
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:21,860
It didn't completely fail, but it was so lukewarm and it didn't do what I wanted it to do.

1230
01:08:21,860 --> 01:08:25,440
And that was upsetting and frustrating.

1231
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:32,240
And so Rise of Lycans was kind of a home run in its own way for this franchise, like I

1232
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:33,240
just said.

1233
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,280
But then moving on to this one, what is it?

1234
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:39,960
It's it's kind of like a repeat of evolution.

1235
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:46,200
In like an even worse way, because all it does is even worse way.

1236
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,200
Are you freaking kidding me?

1237
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:49,200
Am I right?

1238
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:50,200
Am I right?

1239
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:51,200
Don't say you.

1240
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:52,200
You did in the front.

1241
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:53,200
Hey, what do you think?

1242
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,200
What do you think?

1243
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:55,200
Doesn't land there.

1244
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,200
I live up to expectations.

1245
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:57,200
Am I right?

1246
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,200
Am I right?

1247
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:59,200
I mean, come on.

1248
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:09,880
So I think that's like my biggest disappointment with this of you are not pushing things forward.

1249
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:15,400
You are taking a past plot point that was the biggest part of this whole franchise of

1250
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,160
the fact there was a hybrid.

1251
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:24,340
You're adding on near future to the to essentially 12 years and some it's like then whatever

1252
01:09:24,340 --> 01:09:26,280
near future.

1253
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:33,000
And you are adding this sense of like the humans eradicating, but giving them no sort

1254
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:38,760
of representation or any sort of identity or any sort of antagonistic value and attributing

1255
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:44,600
that to what ends up being like ins that are really just trying to find a way to remove

1256
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:49,160
their weakness that makes them subjugated to these vampires.

1257
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,040
It's like they're kind of not that bad.

1258
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:53,480
They're just so wanted.

1259
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:56,920
Like they've been subjugated by vampires for how fucking long and they just wanted not

1260
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,720
be fucking weak to silver anymore.

1261
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:00,720
Please.

1262
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:01,720
Yeah, I don't know.

1263
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:06,600
And it's like, I wasn't that like a lot of this franchise about how like like ins like,

1264
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:07,600
you know, should have some.

1265
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:13,360
The wrong end of the stick and like this one, it just hits them as like fucking like monsters

1266
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:14,360
too.

1267
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,960
And to to no end, like whether they're still subjugated by humans or they're just trying

1268
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,440
to find their freedom, there's just like a weird black and white, not only with the visuals,

1269
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:27,000
but with like the characters that doesn't feel earned.

1270
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:34,240
And that's extremely upsetting and they don't pay off the hybrid thing well either.

1271
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,400
So yeah, I didn't think this one was a great one for whatever reason.

1272
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:42,560
Yeah, I don't think I'll go as low as as Brandon, but I totally get why you would do that.

1273
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:50,560
I think this was like still in a weird way, like had watchable elements for a for a dumb,

1274
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:56,600
like go on the sci fi channel sort of action movie.

1275
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:57,600
But it's not.

1276
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,280
Yeah, it's not good.

1277
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,120
And it's the weakest of the franchise for sure.

1278
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,400
I'll go into the 31 one range.

1279
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,040
I'll be a 31 boy.

1280
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,960
I'll have it because I was like, yeah, they've been like 60, 70 so far.

1281
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,400
And I feel like this is kind of like a shadow of the best of what what could be.

1282
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,880
I feel like there's real earnestness to the past entries.

1283
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:26,320
And this one has a sense of kind of just pushing it along a little bit further, not feeling

1284
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,920
committed because they got to just wait for Scott Speedman to get back or whatever.

1285
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:30,920
I hate that.

1286
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,240
I hate that they kind of just like fucking I just just kill Scott Speedman in a really

1287
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,400
cool way like I don't understand which they set up.

1288
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:43,520
I mean, if you were to tell me that he died in that explosion, whatever grenade thing.

1289
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,520
Fine.

1290
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:45,520
Done.

1291
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,520
Yeah.

1292
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:47,520
And you already had his DNA to fucking manufacture.

1293
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:48,520
Yeah, we're done.

1294
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:49,520
We're done here.

1295
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:50,520
We're done here.

1296
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:51,520
We're done.

1297
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:52,520
We're done.

1298
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,520
We're going to pull the ripcord on us on this.

1299
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,720
Yeah, this sucks, dude.

1300
01:11:58,720 --> 01:11:59,720
All right.

1301
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,080
So now rankings you first.

1302
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:02,080
OK.

1303
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:07,720
So rankings are rise of the Lichens, number one, the first one, evolution.

1304
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:08,720
And then this one.

1305
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:09,720
Same.

1306
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:10,720
Right.

1307
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:11,720
Yeah, same.

1308
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:12,720
It's the same.

1309
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:13,720
Easy.

1310
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:14,720
Yeah, easy.

1311
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:15,720
Evolution.

1312
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,720
It's a thing again, like that'll be like my life will put this to rest.

1313
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:22,640
But like, like my whole review is like evolution sounds like it should be the coolest movie.

1314
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:23,640
I hate that.

1315
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,920
I hate that evolution is not the coolest one.

1316
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:26,920
It really should be.

1317
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,720
It had everything going for it.

1318
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,120
And they had they complain about like, oh, we were trying to set up all this stuff and

1319
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,640
like getting to all this other other stuff in the sequel and all the lore and everything.

1320
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,720
It's like that was your opportunity.

1321
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,920
You had so much goodwill built with that first one and you fucking absolutely a lot more

1322
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:43,920
money to.

1323
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:50,720
And yeah, like it's it's so funny because you brought this up earlier is like a problem

1324
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:59,040
of evolution is is that we needed speed men to turn into like a bat wolf and like a very

1325
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,640
big, cool monster.

1326
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,200
Yeah, because this movie has been filled with monsters.

1327
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,360
The Marcus, the Vanduja son.

1328
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:08,400
Very cool.

1329
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:09,400
Very cool.

1330
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:10,400
Very creepy.

1331
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,080
And also William, big, giant white like it.

1332
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,760
I want to like it is the white like it.

1333
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,480
Love that on the poster of this movie, by the way, when you look at Underworld Awakening,

1334
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:21,760
there's a white like it on there.

1335
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,160
I don't understand why there's not an albino like it in this one, too.

1336
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,680
Ah, Brandon, help me.

1337
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:28,680
We're not doing it.

1338
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:29,680
OK, we're not doing it.

1339
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:30,960
Are we jumping right into Red One?

1340
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:31,960
Do you want to?

1341
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:32,960
Yeah, let's do it.

1342
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:33,960
Breaks.

1343
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,280
No, what's the do you have the score for Red One still?

1344
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:37,920
Yeah, I do.

1345
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:38,920
OK.

1346
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:44,720
Oh, we do a live watching of this this trailer while we're at it.

1347
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:45,720
Yeah.

1348
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:47,600
Ho ho ho.

1349
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:48,800
What's the tagline for Red One?

1350
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:49,800
Do they got one?

1351
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,800
Uh, but one time.

1352
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,320
Let's play the look it up on the internet.

1353
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,120
Let's play the guess what the Red One tagline.

1354
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:05,400
What Red One tagline would you come up with?

1355
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,400
I'm about to take a red two.

1356
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:08,400
It is.

1357
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,520
Yeah, you should call your doctor.

1358
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,360
If you had a red number, do you should or a red number one?

1359
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,760
You should call your no taglines.

1360
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:19,760
They don't do those anymore.

1361
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,760
Yeah, this one doesn't have a tagline.

1362
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,600
Well, that's this.

1363
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,640
That's not opportunity.

1364
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:33,720
That's not it's not fair.

1365
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,240
It's not fricking fair.

1366
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:37,240
All right.

1367
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:38,600
Here we go.

1368
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,760
You ready for Red One trailer?

1369
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,160
Brandon, are you ready?

1370
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:44,160
I am ready.

1371
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:53,600
Are you ready for our very first double app, a double do, sir, if you will.

1372
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:54,600
What is this like?

1373
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,680
I don't even know what it's like to do a double do, sir.

1374
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:57,680
Let's find out.

1375
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:58,680
Rocking around Christmas tree.

1376
01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:59,680
Every Christmas.

1377
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:28,640
God, these guns and what they do.

1378
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,640
Hi, Jack.

1379
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,640
Hi, Jack.

1380
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,640
Who plays?

1381
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,640
Welcome to the Malay.

1382
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:38,640
Right.

1383
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:39,640
First thing I saw.

1384
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:44,640
I was almost like, does she look even better?

1385
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,640
You're the best tracker in the world.

1386
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,640
You're going to help us find him.

1387
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:58,640
I work alone.

1388
01:15:58,640 --> 01:15:59,640
You used to.

1389
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,640
Do I need to watch the Sherlock Holmes show with Lucy Liu?

1390
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,640
Is she play Watson?

1391
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:04,640
I forget.

1392
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:05,640
Right away.

1393
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:06,640
Out of everyone here.

1394
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:07,640
I like you the least.

1395
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:08,640
Garcia.

1396
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:09,640
Garcia.

1397
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:10,640
I'm afraid we're going to have to.

1398
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:11,640
Oh, God.

1399
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:12,640
I suggest you get going.

1400
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:24,640
We're doing some last minute Christmas shopping.

1401
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,640
Toy stores.

1402
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,640
I love this.

1403
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:30,640
Supply closet.

1404
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:31,640
Do you think?

1405
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:32,640
This trope of trailers is dying.

1406
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:33,640
Just to be clear.

1407
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,640
I'm not going to get into that.

1408
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,640
I'm not going to get into that.

1409
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,640
I'm not going to get into that.

1410
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:45,640
No, it doesn't work on everything.

1411
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:47,640
No, you can't try it.

1412
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:48,640
No, you can't drive.

1413
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:49,640
No more questions.

1414
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,640
Let's do a creepy slow version of a song and add that like a slow...

1415
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:52,640
Whoever took McEase.

1416
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:53,640
They're extremely dangerous.

1417
01:16:53,640 --> 01:17:05,640
Think if you don't need me here, I might just go back to the car.

1418
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,640
We are 24 hours to Christmas.

1419
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,240
We are 24 hours to Christmas.

1420
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:10,240
Do you need to find him?

1421
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:13,520
Let's save Christmas.

1422
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,640
Oh, now we repeat the same line and make it...

1423
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:16,160
Say it.

1424
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:17,520
It's like a DJ drop.

1425
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:21,680
Things are about to get real.

1426
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,560
Things are now about to get real?

1427
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:27,120
Cover us.

1428
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,120
Are you kidding me?

1429
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:41,760
You weren't real before?

1430
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,480
We got Snowman!

1431
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:44,320
Snowman!

1432
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,360
Oh, shit.

1433
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:51,360
What happened?

1434
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:52,800
She just got a popter.

1435
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:53,280
Well...

1436
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,400
Get her gear and stuff.

1437
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:55,520
It was nice to meet you, Cal.

1438
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:56,640
Good luck with everything.

1439
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,800
It's so weird.

1440
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:04,560
I was like, oh, you just got to pop the carrots.

1441
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,400
I feel like he was...

1442
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,120
He was not doing that originally at the beginning of the fight.

1443
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:14,040
No, he finds out during it.

1444
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:15,360
He finds out...

1445
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:16,520
Chris Evans finds out.

1446
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,600
Oh, but the Rock seemed like, oh, duh, that's like what you do.

1447
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,280
No, I think the Rock found out.

1448
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:23,760
Oh, he does find out. OK.

1449
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,800
Yeah, and then shows Chris Evans.

1450
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,880
And he's like, oh, you just got to take off the gear.

1451
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,600
You just got to pop their carrots off.

1452
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:30,960
That was...

1453
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:31,360
I don't know.

1454
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,400
I feel like that was part of

1455
01:18:34,440 --> 01:18:37,080
some of the humor that I had with this movie was

1456
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,440
the matter of fact logic to the more

1457
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,080
wacky sort of

1458
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,840
fantastical things that have to do with

1459
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,520
with how you would logistically enact Christmas

1460
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,240
and how their logic of just like, oh, this is how it works.

1461
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,080
And let me tell you, I would get a lot.

1462
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:59,200
I got that's a lot of humor that I got out of this movie was

1463
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:00,320
that was kind of like...

1464
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:01,800
The bureaucratic elements.

1465
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,240
Yeah, exactly.

1466
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:07,000
You're like, tell me the inner workings of MRA.

1467
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:10,440
Exactly. Yeah, that's it.

1468
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,320
That was some of the joy.

1469
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,240
I mean, like,

1470
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:19,800
I guess I'm making this point early, but it did remind me in a way of

1471
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:24,640
of a way bigger budget version of Fat Man

1472
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,560
meets like the Santa Claus a little bit.

1473
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,920
A movie we did on this podcast, Fat Man,

1474
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:35,760
was taking Santa Claus and making it like real, you know, like,

1475
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:40,800
yeah, what does it what did it take for for Santa Claus to actually do this?

1476
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:42,520
And what reminded me...

1477
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:47,400
But also have like Marvel level, like creatures and

1478
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,920
the scope of of of this whole universe that exists.

1479
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,000
It is very superhero.

1480
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,840
Ask this this movie in particular.

1481
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:58,720
But the thing that reminded me of it beyond just those little trappings

1482
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:03,080
and themes or whatever, was there's a moment early on in this movie

1483
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:06,240
where the Rock is saying.

1484
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,640
People there for the first time in history,

1485
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,920
in history, and he's been around for like 10,000 years or something like that.

1486
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,800
Santa's been around for a lot of wars,

1487
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:24,440
a lot of slavery, a lot of a lot of stuff has happened on Santa's watch.

1488
01:20:24,440 --> 01:20:30,360
But only till now has consumerism overtaken the naughty list

1489
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:36,720
to the point where the Rock is a pessimist, a cynic,

1490
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:38,960
and he has given up on humanity.

1491
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:43,280
And he no longer he no longer sees humanity's inner child.

1492
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:47,120
And mind you, this is a guy before the cynicism set in,

1493
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:52,640
was almost like had more Christmas spirit than Santa Claus himself.

1494
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:56,640
Wow.

1495
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:01,520
Like, just mind you, these guys are but him and Santa, too.

1496
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,360
They work out together.

1497
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:04,360
Yeah, they're bros.

1498
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:09,040
They have their own fucking huge jam.

1499
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,040
Oh, yeah.

1500
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:17,800
They're both by their physiques are spending so much time in.

1501
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:22,000
Santa is getting ripped for the holiday season.

1502
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:26,120
And one of the biggest things with him do his job, you can see why

1503
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,160
he needs to be. Yeah, you can totally see why.

1504
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,160
Because it's yeah, he oh, man, he gets the job done.

1505
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:40,120
Yeah, the big one of the biggest takeaways of this movie is

1506
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,360
we got to talk about it is Jack to J.K.

1507
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,560
Jack's J.K. Yeah.

1508
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:52,880
Jack's it's so funny how it doesn't like it did not need to be there.

1509
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,120
There's no there.

1510
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:03,600
To me, it's we know the Rock as a guy who like it's

1511
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:08,000
almost like public knowledge, like everybody in America almost knows

1512
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:14,200
that when the Rock works on a movie, he has like a two million dollar

1513
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,960
set up that has to go with him.

1514
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,960
He works out all the time to the point that he's late to shoot

1515
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,000
some of all the time.

1516
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:27,400
And then it's in this movie.

1517
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,800
It's a fucking just go to set.

1518
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,120
There's a gym on set.

1519
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,320
The Rock, you don't have to bring your own one today.

1520
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,400
We got a gym. Here's the gym.

1521
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,720
It's the set. You can use it. It's a real one.

1522
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,000
Come to the set, please. We got a gym.

1523
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,800
There's no reason for him to say it to be Jack,

1524
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:54,360
because you know what's so hilarious is that Santa gets put in a glass

1525
01:22:54,360 --> 01:23:00,960
cafe, which is the German word for the snow club.

1526
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,120
She's going to whip that shit out there, Brandon.

1527
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,520
He's trapped in a glass of V.

1528
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:07,920
OK, of course.

1529
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,800
And so Santa the whole time is like

1530
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,520
laying in a chair like he doesn't.

1531
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,320
There's no reason for him to be jacked.

1532
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,600
So to me, it's so funny of like.

1533
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,800
It I couldn't separate like the

1534
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,520
the two between Dwayne the Rock Johnson as a person and this character.

1535
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,800
There's no difference whatsoever.

1536
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,600
Callum Drift, like it's not.

1537
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,120
There's no character being played there.

1538
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:42,400
It's like literally we see the Rock as a bodyguard type person.

1539
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,880
And then the next scene is them going to a gym.

1540
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,440
And it's like this is just what the Rock does.

1541
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:52,440
Like we're not like he's getting paid how much to just do what he's.

1542
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,880
Just say, you know, you spot people.

1543
01:23:55,880 --> 01:24:00,680
What do we I mean, you want to know what like the fatigue

1544
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,400
that's happening with the Rock is because of that shit.

1545
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,280
It's like Callum Drift is.

1546
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:11,160
I'll give it the script has some interesting stuff of like him

1547
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:13,640
being this like going through this.

1548
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:20,760
The this ideological conflict in this like or, you know,

1549
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,800
he's at a breaking point, like all of that stuff is kind of interesting.

1550
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,520
And he handles it OK, but again, it's just so much of like.

1551
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,440
Stoic, just like.

1552
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,640
Like straight to camera.

1553
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:41,240
It seemed like there's no yeah, there's no mustard.

1554
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:42,840
There's no acting, really.

1555
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:47,400
It's I'm showing up, I'm reading the lines and I'm out the door back to Jim.

1556
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:51,000
Like it's really boring, right?

1557
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:57,080
His humor only comes in the deadpan serious.

1558
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,400
I'm taking this very seriously and like

1559
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:07,160
the only human human humorous beat that he has is that it doesn't really change

1560
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:11,040
throughout the movie, he doesn't really have different options

1561
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:17,840
as far as his his funny bone goes and his capacity to to have a have a jokey moment.

1562
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:23,680
It's really just so yeah, stoicism, straight and deadpan.

1563
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,080
And just that's where the humor comes from.

1564
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,600
And it's a little few and far between.

1565
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:34,680
There are some moments where I chuckle at how committed he is to it.

1566
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:40,480
But for a character that is your main character.

1567
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,160
I mean, I guess it's a buddy thing, I guess it's a two hander.

1568
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:49,840
It doesn't. Yeah, he doesn't really give the heart that like

1569
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:55,720
in something like a lethal weapon or something like you get to see Danny Glover or something.

1570
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,800
I guess would be the parallel I can make of just having

1571
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:06,040
a little bit more reason to have his humanity besides the fact that he's

1572
01:26:06,440 --> 01:26:11,720
essentially an immortal being that's been around forever that has lost his Christmas spirit.

1573
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:16,040
But I guess the the sun is attributed to Chris Evans and that's his whole thing.

1574
01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:19,400
Yeah, we can. But Jack, I mean, yeah.

1575
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:23,240
Jack J.K. Simmons. That is so funny that you bring that up because it's like

1576
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:29,240
you could have easily had any other guy play Santa and be a normal Santa

1577
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:32,040
and just be like, yeah, it's because of magic.

1578
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:37,960
I can fucking bench press however fucking much because I put two in my

1579
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:42,040
movie at all. I would go even further.

1580
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:46,200
It's like, why? We don't even see Santa bench pressing, but I don't know.

1581
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:51,640
I guess that's his only scene, though, really, like before he gets taken is him

1582
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,880
throwing down with the rock. And that is a very that's such an important scene for this movie

1583
01:26:55,880 --> 01:27:03,880
because it sets up everything that is the crux of what the rock has to go through on his little mini

1584
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:10,040
arc, even though he is the main character, is not seeing the child anymore.

1585
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:17,240
And then Jake in people and J.K. telling him that like everybody is a is still that child and has

1586
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:21,240
that child has that child inside of them. You know, their their inner being and everything,

1587
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:27,240
which like got me kind of close to an emotional sort of resonance with with the movie.

1588
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:33,080
It got me kind of close. But what can what goes on to happen is that the rock is

1589
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:41,400
going to happen is, you know, like set piece after set piece of kind of.

1590
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:45,160
Just monsters, using them, plants, plant stuff.

1591
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:50,600
Yeah, to the point where it's like, I don't it's a lot of chasing the MacGuffin.

1592
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:55,720
Yeah, right. It's the whole like got to find the MacGuffin

1593
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,080
and then use the MacGuffin to get to the boss.

1594
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:03,400
Well, the MacGuffin is awesome. I mean, the MacGuffin is Santa.

1595
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:07,320
And I guess Santa's already been got. And so they just got to get Santa back.

1596
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:11,320
It is very much MacGuffin, but it's just the villain has it early on.

1597
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:17,480
And it's just such a fucking like little breadcrumb piece sort of way of telling the

1598
01:28:17,480 --> 01:28:24,600
audience of like what the villain is doing and the reveal of the villain and then her plan

1599
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:30,520
and who she is is so straightforward. And like I get that it's Christmas.

1600
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:34,040
It's fine. But off the bat, I'm like, oh, it's it's Lucy Liu.

1601
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,880
It's Lucy Liu for sure. She's like actually that deep voice

1602
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,200
that's on the other side that's hiring Chris Evans.

1603
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:45,640
It's there's a little bit more espionage here in the sort of spy thriller that they're trying to

1604
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:50,360
cater to dads at Christmas time. Like, hey, the whole family can watch this one.

1605
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,080
Dads included. They can. It's a it's a spy thriller.

1606
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:58,040
Sure. But it really is so, so simple that by the end, I was like, oh, no,

1607
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:02,280
this isn't like Tom Clancy. This is Kevin Feige.

1608
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,480
This is a superhero thing. This is like this is so, so marveled out.

1609
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,400
Absolutely. Yeah, it's interesting to think about.

1610
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:18,200
Yeah, dad's taking their, you know, teenage son, like our preteen son to or I guess watching this

1611
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:24,120
at home, but like them having that the movie to watch for the Christmas season. I love that idea.

1612
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:36,920
Yeah, it's the bummer is that kind of the lack of fun and how serious this is,

1613
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:46,120
it really that tonal stuff is rough to me because could you imagine watching like this with your

1614
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:53,240
11 year old son and then there's this whole like he's an absentee father, but it wants to be that

1615
01:29:53,960 --> 01:30:03,640
and is actively being kind of making a point with his son that he doesn't want to be in his life.

1616
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:08,920
Almost like, you know, doing certain things to like communicate. Hey, I, you know, I really

1617
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,360
don't want to be involved in these things that are happening to you. That's now your new dad's.

1618
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:22,520
So, ah, it's so weird. Because like it makes me think of other Christmas movies and it's

1619
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:28,360
like Jingle All the Way, for example, is I get this idea of

1620
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:35,960
complicated relationships between like, you know, father and son and wanting that to be

1621
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:43,880
part of a Christmas movie like that. I get. But man, to have your dad be this

1622
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:53,480
dark web dealer like mean to his son person is weird.

1623
01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:58,920
There's a couple of points that I thought it was like I thought it was kind of funny how over the

1624
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:07,800
top they were being clear about this guy is a fucking stinker. Yeah, the biggest little stinker

1625
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:14,360
that you could ever imagine. And my God, the biggest old stinker. And that is how the movie

1626
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:21,080
starts is right before the title card as he's doing his little stinker isms and enacting his

1627
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:30,520
plan to show you who he is a person is as a person, he steals candy from a baby.

1628
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:35,000
And then the and then the movie starts is like off of him, seemingly candy from a baby, which I got

1629
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:41,800
like half of a mini chuckle out of just like how obvious they're trying to make him be like,

1630
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:47,960
you know, a bad guy. But it is interesting. He doesn't give a fuck. It's like the Deadpool.

1631
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:54,760
A little he's just causing him. Yeah. And it's like, I understand that he's trying to steal

1632
01:31:54,760 --> 01:32:00,600
information from this place, but he goes through all of these elaborate things to just create mayhem.

1633
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:06,440
And then the button is the stealing the candy from the baby. So yeah, this the tone of this movie is

1634
01:32:07,480 --> 01:32:16,040
really wild because something something there's plenty of examples in another movie like the

1635
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:22,440
Santa Claus where or Jingle All the Way and, you know, us being 90s, 90s, 2000s boys of like,

1636
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:31,320
these are the kind or even a Griswold, whatever, maybe a Griswold. But the sort of idea of like a

1637
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:38,040
of a dad that's that isn't always there. But in his mind, his ego is telling him that he's

1638
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,400
he's going to do better or like hook or something. I don't know, like that. Yeah, sure.

1639
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:47,240
That he's like, he's setting an example, good example by working so hard and that he's reassuring

1640
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,520
himself in this way. And then he worry that he tells himself that he's like, Oh, I just got to

1641
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:55,800
get this next big promotion and then we can be together and all this stuff. But no, this guy

1642
01:32:55,800 --> 01:33:03,720
is like, I don't give a fuck about any of that. And when the kid is like, like it gets, it's pretty

1643
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:08,920
dark when he's just like, I like when he starts going into his logic of like, it would be better

1644
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:15,000
if I was out of your life, your life and how his logic works within that is really dark. Yeah.

1645
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:22,520
It's very dark and he's explaining that and it's so like upsetting and hard to watch the conversation

1646
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:29,880
he has with coffee girl from It's Always Sunny. Right. Waitress, waitress, waitress. Yes. Sorry.

1647
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:31,560
No one ever learned her name.

1648
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:41,160
No, she is just giving such a real performance of like, come on, dude, come on. Like you gotta do,

1649
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:46,600
like, hey, man, this kid wants you to do like to show up for these things. And don't you want

1650
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:52,600
to show up for these things? And then, yeah, his, his response to her. And I don't,

1651
01:33:52,600 --> 01:34:01,320
I don't get the sense that she is asking too much.

1652
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:10,120
Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Okay. You know, very little information going in of the dynamics

1653
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:20,440
of this, but he is being so squarely a douche. Yes. Just a mega douche. Yeah. And it's not subtle

1654
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:25,640
about that at all. Like, and she, and he's like, why? He said he didn't want me to come to his

1655
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:29,320
resettlement. I'm not going to come. He's like, well, fucking dumbass. Like he's, of course,

1656
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:36,040
he's going to say that. Like. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. It's unsurprising that the son then just

1657
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:43,960
expresses how much he doesn't care. He's mirroring his father. Yeah. Yeah. 100%.

1658
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:50,280
And again, yeah. Also bizarre. And so this, and that's the thing is like, this is B plot that

1659
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:55,160
we're talking about. So there's just this weird thing that's happening throughout this movie with

1660
01:34:55,160 --> 01:35:03,880
Chris Evans and his son. And that is intertwined. But again, the emotional heart of the movie

1661
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:13,640
is mainly a guy being a fucking douche. He's the worst kind. And then like, so,

1662
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:20,840
so that's like his, like the deep emotional arc of him, but then how that plays out when the movie

1663
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:27,320
happens and how you have to deal with that character on a scene to scene basis is also not fun.

1664
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:32,280
Really not fun. It's also not really that fun. And that's, that was what I was really nervous

1665
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:36,760
about with the trailer because all it is, is Chris Evans. When I saw this trailer, I forget what

1666
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:41,880
movie it was like fucking, I don't know, Furiosa some shit. And I was just like, so saw it right

1667
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:47,880
in front of twisters twisters. Nice. And it was no, and then Nora, Nora. Yeah. And I might've been

1668
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:53,880
something past or Furiosa, but I just remember thinking like, I'm crying. I'm like halfway in

1669
01:35:53,880 --> 01:36:01,320
for this silly, serious action movie with the rock. I don't know. Like even when watching this

1670
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:06,200
trailer now it's like, Oh, Jumanji. I was surprised how much fun I had with those Jumanji remakes.

1671
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:13,560
Those are like not, not too bad. And these are actually funny. They're actually funny. And

1672
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:20,200
there's this is not an adventure and there's a dynamic within the group that is a, has a good

1673
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:29,080
back and forth. But what happens? Yeah. Like with, with this one is Chris Evans in that trailer. I

1674
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:34,920
just remember every single time it would cut to him after like a big, Oh, outlandish Christmas

1675
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:40,520
action movie thing would happen. Like a big polar bear come in and he's like, really? You guys got a

1676
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:47,000
polar bear. Somebody kidnapped Santa Claus. And then when, as I watched this movie, it was like,

1677
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:51,960
Oh, those are a little bit stretched few and far between as much as it's all condensed in the

1678
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:59,480
trailer. But a commonality that I noticed in the dialogue within this movie was one character would

1679
01:36:59,480 --> 01:37:03,880
say something, the rock would say something. And then Chris Evans would repeat the very last line

1680
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:12,440
in a sarcastic way. Like so many times in this movie, you're like, we have to go to Krampus.

1681
01:37:12,440 --> 01:37:21,800
He's a Santa's brother and, and he created the naughty part, right? You're telling me that Santa

1682
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:30,520
has a brother? What else is that? If he's like, yeah, I got this crew. It's called ELF, whatever.

1683
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:37,640
And it's like, especially large and for, and formidable to you or whatever. He's like, ELF?

1684
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:44,040
Are you serious? Every single like new piece of information, which was kind of fun. I was like,

1685
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:51,080
again, the bureaucratic funny sort of, uh, inner workings of the North Pole. Interesting. I could

1686
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:56,520
watch a whole movie about, uh, just the delivering part at the end. I could watch a whole movie just

1687
01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:03,000
about how we got, we got a soul. Hold on that. But, uh, that's, that's all. It was just that

1688
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:12,200
is just that between those two and it is kind of a drag. I know that they have to have their back

1689
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:18,280
and forth and everything, but it gets old. Um, so yeah, there's Krampus, but before that, I mean,

1690
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:25,400
anything about Aruba Aruba was before that. Yeah. Aruba was before that, um, with Nick Kroll,

1691
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:31,400
right? Because what we're trying to do is we're trying to find the location of,

1692
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:37,400
do we know about the winter princess yet? I don't know. It's intertwined in there because

1693
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:44,360
what we find out, cause that's winter, which the winter, which is the step up from Nick Kroll

1694
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:52,920
because Nick Kroll hired Chris Evans. Right. And then, so he's going up the chain of command

1695
01:38:52,920 --> 01:39:01,160
and then the, yeah, this fuck, what's her name? What's the, um, Christmas, which is, which are

1696
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:09,960
which, oh, uh, Kiran something ship. Yeah. Something like, yeah, that's fine. Um, I could

1697
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:14,040
find out a car, I worked with her and said, she's like the nicest person in the world, Kiran and

1698
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:23,240
Shipka. Carl, my lovely wife said she is the nicest person in the world. So that makes me like her.

1699
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:33,560
I first saw her, like, I'm sure most people, um, Sabrina in Mad Men. Oh, oh, she's the very

1700
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:40,120
young daughter. Right. I didn't, yeah, I never finished Mad Men and I always meant to go back,

1701
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:49,400
but that is another discussion. I guess we'll stick with the Aruba and then we can talk about

1702
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:56,760
Winter Witch, but Jack O'Malley. Jack O'Malley. It reminded me of me trying my dumb O'Malley

1703
01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:04,120
impressions from Aristocats. That guy's voice is the best. Oh, O'Malley. I caught myself cause

1704
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:10,280
any, anytime they said in the movie, his full name, cause it just has that like presenter,

1705
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:17,160
you know, kind of like, I dunno, yeah, sound to it. Jack O'Malley. Jack O'Malley.

1706
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:27,480
Um, right. So we're in Aruba, uh, very straight performance by Nick Kroll cause he looks like a

1707
01:40:27,480 --> 01:40:39,800
character. And it was, it was so interesting for him not to be, yeah, but then it would be very

1708
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:47,400
stereotype and they, that would be not cool, but then it's just not funny. It's so serious. They

1709
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:54,200
like go there and they're like, he's almost like, I'm going to kill it. Like really, uh, drug lord,

1710
01:40:54,200 --> 01:41:00,200
uh, behavior type, uh, yeah. Type character. And he does start the scene with like,

1711
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:03,560
let me deal with these two guys and then we'll go get some boba.

1712
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:12,360
He's always talking about how these hot ladies want to get boba.

1713
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:16,600
That is funny. We'll go get some boba.

1714
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:23,880
But no, he's, he's playing it very straight. I almost was expecting him looking at his outfit

1715
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:30,040
and everything to be, I forget that character from comedy bank where he like is just so over the top,

1716
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:45,000
like, uh, like radio DJ. Yeah. But then he gets possessed by the winter witch and he goes full

1717
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:53,160
to level 11 Nick Kroll where he was like a really deep voice and he's going full, like

1718
01:41:53,160 --> 01:42:02,600
his body crazy stuff. He's like, it was almost too much. And I realized that's my experience with

1719
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:09,000
Nick Kroll always is just like, sometimes you're super funny, but other times you're just too much,

1720
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:19,240
too much, too much. Tuna is a good example of too much. Um, yeah. Aruba, the boat,

1721
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:26,840
Jamaica, come on, pretty mama snow snowmen snowmen. Yeah. Uh, Mr. Freeze technology.

1722
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:33,800
God, all of the monster stuff. Yeah. Worked for me. I do like that about this movie,

1723
01:42:34,440 --> 01:42:37,960
especially because we're about to get into my favorite part of the movie, which is the Krampus

1724
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:44,520
stuff. I dug the out of that. I was like, Oh, practical stuff. There's like tons of different

1725
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:52,040
types of demons to there's like easily like 50 or types of demons and you can like kind of close

1726
01:42:52,040 --> 01:43:00,360
ups and stuff. And Oh man, it's like they're in hell almost, but it's so that the teleportating

1727
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:05,880
stuff is weird because they have like, Oh, you don't like the rules. Oh, I'll, oh, you don't

1728
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:11,640
remember. Let me tell you the rules, Brandon. So every toy store in the world, if you were to go

1729
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:19,560
into their supply closet, that is a portal to any other supply closet of a toy store anywhere else

1730
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:28,280
in the world. Yeah. Makes complete sense. And any other toy. So you go to a toy store and you stock

1731
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:33,000
up on any tiny little thing that you see there. And then you go straight into the supply closet.

1732
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:38,600
You're in another place. Your mission is set. You got everything you need. You got wheels,

1733
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:48,920
you got a tiny chicken for distraction. You're set. Stuff with like transforming toys into

1734
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:54,600
usable items. It's just, it's also car based. Yeah. There's really only the chicken and the

1735
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:59,800
rock and sock robots that gets them out of the Krampus situation. But it's one of those rules

1736
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:06,040
or it's like, once you see that it's a possibility or it's like, well, why don't you use that for

1737
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:12,840
everything? You know, but I do like when he gets, he, he is, his wrist thing is removed in the

1738
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:20,440
Krampus thing, which is a cool thing, I guess. And then he gets it put back on for Krampus

1739
01:44:20,440 --> 01:44:21,240
Slop.

1740
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:33,960
This cites me out so much because like, Oh God, it must've been almost closer to the start, like

1741
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:39,880
maybe the start of the year or maybe even last year, but there was this trend on TikTok that

1742
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:48,920
the guy from UFC was trying to get started this slap competition and it got banned very quickly,

1743
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:57,640
but they were, they like did tournaments. I've seen videos. Yeah. And I like, it's really like,

1744
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:04,680
a, oh man, it's, it's addicting to watch just some, we just like get slapped so hard that they

1745
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:11,320
just game over. They fall to the floor. Yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. Why they canceled it.

1746
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:17,880
But I know those videos, it's like burly strong dudes just slapping the shit out of each other

1747
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:21,960
and just like taking it. And then some go like,

1748
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:30,280
like seize up. It's so bad. And then there's so much like he getting up preparing. And then

1749
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:40,600
I thought they did that pretty well of like a practice one, two, three. Yeah. I was like,

1750
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:46,360
Oh cool. He's yelling at it. That's a good reaction from the lot too. He's like, Oh my God.

1751
01:45:46,360 --> 01:45:53,480
Oh my God. Krampus looks sick as shit. Who played Krampus? I don't know. I saw,

1752
01:45:53,480 --> 01:45:57,640
I was looking for his name at the end as well because he was kind of MVP for me.

1753
01:45:59,960 --> 01:46:03,560
Yeah. I think he might've been just straight up like Norwegian or Icelandic or,

1754
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:10,520
Oh, okay. Yeah. Just a big guy. A big guy. Really big fucking nailed it. He kind of felt like a

1755
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:16,840
Hagrid that actually played Hagrid. Oh no, here it is. Oh, I see who it is. It was a, what is he in

1756
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:23,000
Game of Thrones? A fucking Tormund. Is it Tormund? The guy who is in love with Brienne. Oh, Giants Bane.

1757
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:30,360
Giants Bane. Tormund Giants Bane. That makes complete sense to me now. Oh cool. Christopher Hivju.

1758
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:41,400
Hivju. Okay. Yeah. Total MVP. Total MVP. Krampus. Yeah. All of it. Yeah. The mythical stuff was

1759
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:47,400
cool until it got to the, the Christmas witch. Okay. Wait, before we get into the Christmas

1760
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:53,640
witch, cause yeah, we do need to start moving towards the end. Okay. The Christmas witch is

1761
01:46:53,640 --> 01:47:06,040
planned. Can you explain it to me, James? Okay. So the winter witch wants all of the naughty listers,

1762
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:15,000
like she wants them to have permanent retribution. And the retribution that she has chosen

1763
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:24,280
is to be stuck inside a snow globe and to be imprisoned forever. I guess. Because the long,

1764
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:29,000
because the long-term plan I'm not so sure about, but the short-term plan seems to be,

1765
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:37,400
she needs Santa's power to do so. And she needs Krampus. What does she need Krampus for, for the

1766
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:45,320
list? And where she gets the snow globe from somebody as well. The power of the snow globe.

1767
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:52,600
Is that from Krampus? Oh no. Oh shit. Who is, okay. Cause that's the glass. Those are the, those are

1768
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:59,480
the variables that is in, that she needs for her plan is somehow she needs the Santa Claus juice,

1769
01:47:59,480 --> 01:48:06,040
which I thought that was a little, a little vague as to how she was using that. But it seemed to be

1770
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:13,080
that that was the juice that was needed to mass produce the snow globes that had the power to

1771
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:20,920
imprison the naughty, naughty, naughty listers and also naughty Nellie's. Yes, of course. And

1772
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:27,400
the way that they tie that in with the Krampus thing and the Chris Evans, I guess, whatever it

1773
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:32,600
creates some semblance of a full, full plot and everything. I was just really looking for that

1774
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:37,960
backstab. I was really looking for someone to be backstabbing. Cause I thought when I, when I

1775
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:42,680
figured out it wasn't Lucy Liu, I was like, Oh, well it's fucking Mrs. Claus. It's MC for sure.

1776
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:49,400
MC is sitting there. And then, yeah, I was like, there's got, I've just seen too many spy, spy

1777
01:48:49,400 --> 01:49:02,280
movies. But the, when they saw MC or when the rock saw her on a North pole zoom discord, he's like,

1778
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:08,040
what are you making over there? Oh, I just made some macaroons for Santa. Okay, great. Talk to you

1779
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:12,760
later. We're compromised. What does he say? Oh, he says the North pole is taken.

1780
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:17,560
That was my favorite. It was one of my favorite lines. The North pole is taken. He just turns

1781
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:21,640
around. It's like, it's fucking over. It's like Terminator two. It's like T2. It's like,

1782
01:49:22,440 --> 01:49:28,040
uh, what's your dog's name? What Chester? It's like, can you say hi to Wolfie for him? Is Wolfie

1783
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:34,440
okay? Wolfie's fine. Your parents are dead. It was the same thing. It was so funny.

1784
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:41,080
Santa hates macaroons. And then he comes back dressed as like the shapeshifters or whatever.

1785
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:47,880
He dresses like the shapeshifters or come back and like, no, they're onto us. Um, so her plan,

1786
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:54,280
yeah, because it's real as sons, right? They're all there. The shapeshifters. Yeah. She's a,

1787
01:49:54,280 --> 01:50:01,880
she's a 19 foot tall ogre or whatever. 50 foot tall ogre with 19 sons or whatever it was. Yeah.

1788
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:09,000
Two tails. Uh, but yeah, her plan, I guess is to use Santa's power mass produce those snow globes

1789
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:16,200
and the naughty listers, uh, in prison in the snow globes. But after that, I guess she just is going

1790
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:21,080
to keep them in prison forever. Right. Is that your question or what? No, no, no, no. Your question

1791
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:25,640
answered. Thank you. Um, it's just so funny to think if she were to remove that many people out

1792
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:30,600
of the population, it was like things are, it's a real Santa situation here. It really is. It's like,

1793
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:34,840
it's over half. Oh, now there's, oh, now the, the, now the nice lister suffer.

1794
01:50:34,840 --> 01:50:40,920
Yeah. Yeah. What's, Hey, you're shooting yourself in the foot of your

1795
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:44,760
gree law. Yeah. It really speaks to our prison system, huh? Brandon.

1796
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:49,880
Rehabilitation is good. You shouldn't just put people away and forget about them.

1797
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:56,520
Yeah. And then, right. Which that also then is how you beat this whole movie is an indictment

1798
01:50:56,520 --> 01:51:07,800
of the prison system. Brandon. Sorry. Uh, I'm so sorry. She's so, she's so dogmatic. I'm sorry.

1799
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:14,520
She's so dogmatic about being naughty or nice. Yeah, she is. Cause yeah, it's an old way of

1800
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:18,520
thinking about things. Right. James, you're either right or you're wrong. Whether you're jaywalking

1801
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:23,400
or stealing or murdering. That's what they say. You're, you're fucking stuck in that snow globe.

1802
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:29,160
So in a sun and a sun gets trapped in the snow globe, which is ties in the B plot. And then,

1803
01:51:29,160 --> 01:51:35,720
so now we're, you know, conveniently all coming together plots are here and now we just fight this

1804
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:40,280
big witch on like the top of a building. I, it's a bridge. This whole,

1805
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:47,560
it just was like my brain immediately shut off. I don't remember. I don't remember the rest of the

1806
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:53,880
movie after this point. That's fine. No, it was just, uh, the, there was a, she falls and it's

1807
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:57,560
like, oh yeah, she's going to become the ogre. They've been fucking foreshadowing that for

1808
01:51:58,600 --> 01:52:05,880
so long and especially Krampus and everything. Uh, it was like, oh, I, yeah, I like that story.

1809
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:12,600
Like the story of like, oh, we were, we were great one day. We used to just take, just fucking tear

1810
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:19,960
across the countryside and take all the naughty listeners and then, yeah, I was like, I'll see

1811
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:28,200
that movie. Yeah. The ogre and Krampus. I mean, but no, there's the ogre rises. Uh, yeah. Show

1812
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:37,400
them off. Oh, ogre rise. The ogre. Uh, ooga chaka just starts walking down the bridge out of the

1813
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:45,720
darkness, pretty good effects. And then Krampus comes on the light of the third day, like a fucking,

1814
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:50,680
yeah, $200 million movie. So like, that's kind of what I'm curious about with this movie. When you

1815
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:56,760
propose it as the double deuce was like, this is an expensive movie and I would like to see where

1816
01:52:56,760 --> 01:53:02,040
all that money went. And it went towards the rock being late, uh, every day, at least 50 million of

1817
01:53:02,040 --> 01:53:08,840
it, apparently. Um, but beyond that, yeah. Effects are pretty cool for the ogre. And then Krampus

1818
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:16,920
comes to like be a distraction, but then one thing leads to an ex and she like falls into a whole

1819
01:53:16,920 --> 01:53:23,800
truck bed. That's like full of the snow globes and then gets absorbed into one of them. I, yeah,

1820
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:28,440
it was a part of me. I'm like, what happens now when you fall into a whole bunch of them to be

1821
01:53:28,440 --> 01:53:35,480
pieces of you go into different parts of the like we get like, and by dissected into all these.

1822
01:53:35,480 --> 01:53:40,200
Now she just gets put into a little, little globe and then, uh, they make fun of her and

1823
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:47,560
everything is, uh, everything is resolved. I can't even, I can't say what happens after that.

1824
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:54,680
It is a, okay. It's really, I feel like I really let go at a certain point with this movie as well

1825
01:53:54,680 --> 01:54:01,240
because yeah, this is a two hour situation and it feels every, every part of it, as opposed to

1826
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:09,880
underworld awakening, which is just squeaking by on that 90. Um, but I don't know. I overall,

1827
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:15,160
like before I get to my notes, like I wasn't super upset with this movie and I didn't like hate it.

1828
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:22,520
I didn't hate this. Yeah, but it was, uh, there were definitely parts that I, I didn't like,

1829
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:28,120
there were definitely parts that I was annoyed with and like, Oh, I got over it at certain points.

1830
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:33,240
You know? Uh, yeah. I, again, my brain just started to show off too. Yeah. Yeah. Especially

1831
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:37,880
once we got towards the end. So like all the real like, okay, climax of the movie, I'm like,

1832
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:46,680
snooze get me out of here already. Cause yeah, the, just the realization of what is about to come

1833
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:53,720
is, was just already uninteresting. Like, Oh God, okay. Um, but there's parts of this movie leading

1834
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:58,600
up to that. I, yeah, we're now getting into our thoughts. So I'll say that I'll say that let's,

1835
01:54:59,880 --> 01:55:03,080
is there anything else about this movie that you want to talk about? He was like driving and then

1836
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:07,480
he finds a snow. Yeah. And that's like how the him and the son get together. Who cares? Yeah. I was

1837
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:13,000
just, I was thinking about that, that moment and anything else we miss, but I really feel, I feel

1838
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:18,760
good about it. I'm just kind of taking a glance at my notes here. Um, yeah. What does stinker mean

1839
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:27,080
to babies? The goat Santa it's the goat Santa. That's three more guy that rolls up and JK Simmons

1840
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:31,800
just likes to go to malls and have, uh, you know, do the old classic Santa thing and have kids come

1841
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:36,920
up, you know, tell them what he wants for Christmas and on his lap and everything. And this is why I

1842
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:41,640
do it. It's good to get out of it. He's doing it like before Christmas and everything. That was

1843
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:48,280
kind of a nice way to kind of enter the, I thought, you know, um, Santa's chill. That's yeah.

1844
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:54,280
Mistletoe hydroponics. This is what I'm here for. Brandon. This is where this movie kind of like

1845
01:55:54,280 --> 01:55:59,640
gets me. I'm like, yeah, she'll be like the inner workings of the North pole, the big city, the big

1846
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:08,040
city. Okay. Yeah. The big city. It was very Wakanda, right? Oh yeah. Like with all the super advanced,

1847
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:14,840
uh, features technology, right? It's a bunch of it's all in this invisible bubble and it's a

1848
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:21,000
hyper advanced city. And I love, yeah, I did dig the idea of, but it's just so CGI, man.

1849
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:25,720
I know. Wouldn't it be cool if it was like Blade Runner? Oh shit.

1850
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:31,160
Vangelis is just playing as you just like,

1851
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:31,560
yeah.

1852
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:41,000
The years 2024, the naughty list is overtaken.

1853
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:47,480
I have to work with the naughty, the naughty listeners are essentially

1854
01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:50,440
androids. They're trying to decommission the androids. They're trying to decommission

1855
01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:57,400
naughty list or level fours or whatever. And the rock is essentially, uh, yeah, he's Harrison

1856
01:56:57,400 --> 01:57:04,280
Ford. It's, it all makes sense. Um, the trolls have a trace. I like that. There's a point where

1857
01:57:04,280 --> 01:57:08,840
they're like trying to figure things out in the control room. And the alliteration just got me.

1858
01:57:08,840 --> 01:57:16,360
The trolls have a trace and there's trolls and like mist and like goblin type creatures that like

1859
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:24,600
work in. Yeah. That's awesome. Again, all of them. Ah, that I do like that part of this movie a lot

1860
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:31,800
is the creatures. Yeah, that's, and that's, there's a part I really enjoyed about wicked as well

1861
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:35,560
that I forgot about the musical. I've seen it enough, but I'm like, when I watched the movie,

1862
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:41,880
I was like, oh yeah, all this animal stuff is really interesting. It's cool. Um, go see wicked.

1863
01:57:46,120 --> 01:57:52,280
There's a list. The size of Rhode Island is how big the list is. I love that. Uh, death Mercs,

1864
01:57:52,280 --> 01:58:00,280
uh, fucking death Mercs in this movie. Um, yeah, we didn't talk about his powers. I don't know.

1865
01:58:00,280 --> 01:58:04,840
Little rock, you got a little rock going to big rock and back to little rock.

1866
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:11,000
You don't want to talk about that at all. I didn't really care for it either.

1867
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:14,440
I hated it. Little rock, big rock.

1868
01:58:14,440 --> 01:58:21,560
God stupid. I hate it. Let's not. Okay. I don't care about it either. Just got to rip off their

1869
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:28,360
carrots. You just got to, I like how he said it just so like, yeah, pop off their cards.

1870
01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:33,400
There's a little bit of lay of a little bit of lay being played at one point. I like that. Cause

1871
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:37,560
Brandon and I were hanging out recently in the mountains with some friends for a birthday and

1872
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:41,880
Brandon put on some lay of a and it was very, felt very Christmasy. So that was, that was a fun,

1873
01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:48,680
fun thing to hear. Yeah. Yeah. She's a 900 year old, 900 year old ogre with 13 sons.

1874
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:56,920
We got the Krampus Shlop was a lot of fun. One of my favorite lines. Oh, Mally just got globed.

1875
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:02,600
Hell yeah, dude. Fuck yeah.

1876
01:59:05,160 --> 01:59:06,360
Just got globed.

1877
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:13,000
Yeah. And I think that's it. Cause I look into my next note and it says jugular

1878
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:16,440
ribbage. And then I realized I'm back to underworld. What a, what a double feature.

1879
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:21,320
What a, what a double deuce. There was no jugular ribbage in that one. I had to remind myself.

1880
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:29,960
Could you imagine? Wow. Red one. All right. Well, I guess I'll kick off the final. Oh no,

1881
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:36,680
we got to do reviews when I'm at the reviews from the critics. What do we got here? Um,

1882
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:42,840
did you, or did you have any other final thoughts? No, go for it. It is a 30, 90,

1883
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:49,000
a 30 from the critics and a 90 from the audience. This is extremely polarizing and extremely a new

1884
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:53,480
movie that is when I was looking it up today, I was like, Oh, it's still playing at the theaters

1885
01:59:53,480 --> 02:00:00,360
down the street for me. So it's still out there. It's, it's fun to jump on something that's, uh,

1886
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:06,200
pretty relevant, but it was a prime prime movie, prime video movie. So you can find it on there.

1887
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:12,680
Uh, if you've gotten this far, I'm sure you figured that out, but it was, uh, I guess a couple

1888
02:00:12,680 --> 02:00:18,120
articles I saw today was like, it was a big deal for their streaming services. Gotten gotten a lot

1889
02:00:18,120 --> 02:00:23,480
of people watching the movie Christmas time. I'm sure it's exactly what they wanted. So, um,

1890
02:00:23,480 --> 02:00:29,320
it's just interesting. Yeah. Thanksgiving time and then streaming services, Christmas time while

1891
02:00:29,320 --> 02:00:35,000
still being in some theaters as well. So it's, I feel like it's very strategic. Uh, that is a good

1892
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:40,520
approach though. Is it not? It's very strategic. I agree. Yeah. It's like, it's, it seems like a,

1893
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:46,120
an approach that they're trying to cover the base of the holidays. Uh, the best people are out

1894
02:00:46,120 --> 02:00:53,640
shopping at malls. I mean, movies are the best. Like, yeah, it's, we'll get into our thoughts,

1895
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:57,800
but I mean, yeah, I think that's the critique. I think both of us will probably have is just like,

1896
02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:03,640
going to see this with your family members. And this is what, you know, some of the stuff that's

1897
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:09,160
in this movie. Yeah. I don't know if everybody's gonna like it. It's already on prime video now too.

1898
02:01:09,160 --> 02:01:14,680
Yeah. So it's like, why not just, you know, throw it on during Christmas time. Why not? Why not?

1899
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:19,720
That's the world. Yeah. Why not? Hey, for streaming, I think for streaming. Yeah. For the,

1900
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:25,320
my review, the theater going experience, mine won't be too far off. The theater going experience

1901
02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:30,280
will just be a lot more to get out there and do it. But when you're like browsing after a bunch of

1902
02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:42,440
Christmas dinner to look for something, you know, why not? Why not? Uh, Jesse Hesinger from AV club

1903
02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:49,720
gave it a C minus, uh, is how they review things. Jesse says the aggressively secular and gift-based

1904
02:01:49,720 --> 02:01:56,440
systems of red one are almost enough to prompt a moist-eyed holiday wish for more piously churchy

1905
02:01:56,440 --> 02:02:04,680
seasonal entertainment. Yeah, I get it. That's that winter, which being very dogmatic. And then

1906
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:10,760
you got to accept the forgiveness of Santa Claus into your heart folks is what you got to do. Yeah.

1907
02:02:10,760 --> 02:02:19,080
I mean, he's very godlike character. Mark Kermode, Kermode and Mayo's take on YouTube is a top critic

1908
02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:24,760
on Rotten Tomatoes. Let's hear what he has to say. This is the big American blockbuster of the week

1909
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:26,440
and it is absolute crap.

1910
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:39,640
Yeah. Yeah. Stellum. Bill Bridge. Bill Goody Koontz.

1911
02:02:39,640 --> 02:02:42,600
Oh, Bill Goody Koontz.

1912
02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:48,360
Bill Goody Koontz. Arizona Republic, two out of five. But what red one is really missing,

1913
02:02:48,360 --> 02:02:54,680
what every Christmas movie worth its eggnog requires is summed up in one word. Magic.

1914
02:02:56,680 --> 02:03:03,160
Magic. Peter Howell. We're going to hear from him twice in the same episode. Toronto Star.

1915
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:08,920
That's amazing. He was reviewing underworld awakening 2012. Here it is to 2024.

1916
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:14,440
He's still fucking going. I love it. Love it. One out of four. He's like two reviews of him.

1917
02:03:14,440 --> 02:03:20,440
Just like fucking hating movies. A joyless testosterone fueled Tempest that squanders a

1918
02:03:20,440 --> 02:03:30,280
reported $250 million budget on the hailstorm of crummy CGI and a blizzard of bad vibes.

1919
02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:37,160
Peter Travers. ABC News. Sometimes Rolling Stone says ABC News here. We all need a little Christmas

1920
02:03:37,160 --> 02:03:46,440
now. Bad vibes. This is the winter of our bad vibes content. This is the blizzard of our bad vibes.

1921
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:55,240
Peter Schaver says we all need a little Christmas now, but not this cynical cash

1922
02:03:55,240 --> 02:04:01,640
grab faking it as holiday fun. The mind boggles that it costs $250 million to produce a big

1923
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:09,160
bloated fiasco about Dwayne Johnson and Chris Evans saving kidnapped Santa. Bah humbug. Peter

1924
02:04:09,160 --> 02:04:15,960
Travers is going full humbug. Yeah, he would. I always knew it. It's only meant our time.

1925
02:04:15,960 --> 02:04:20,760
Kyle Smith. He's on the naughty list for sure. He's like a

1926
02:04:20,760 --> 02:04:26,920
fucking he's past level four. You think level four is top? I don't know. Level four seems like a

1927
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:33,640
random way to be like the top of a scale. I expected it to be a five or a 10 would be the top of the

1928
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:44,520
scale. But I guess five would be like a you would actually be in in federal prison. The federal snow

1929
02:04:44,520 --> 02:04:54,520
globe as they say. Yeah, the federal glossary. Solitary snow globe confinement. Kyle Smith,

1930
02:04:54,520 --> 02:04:59,880
Wall Street Journal, a high concept offering that neglects the structural basics. It has enough

1931
02:04:59,880 --> 02:05:05,960
going on to make it tolerable for home viewing for half attentive kids who are still playing with

1932
02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:13,040
their presence. But rather than sparkling like snow, most of it is a

1933
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:31,160
dead as slush. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Last one from let's do a down from IGN movies. The movies.

1934
02:05:31,160 --> 02:05:38,680
Three out of 10. If IGN gives it a bad score. I don't know. Be wary. The movie surrounds its

1935
02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:43,480
mismatched stars with a whole lot of shockingly inconsistent special effects preaching a

1936
02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:49,240
sentimental yuletide message even as it looks like the height of soulless commercialization.

1937
02:05:49,960 --> 02:05:56,040
Let's move on to some audience reviews. The more positive side of things being that they did give

1938
02:05:56,040 --> 02:06:05,160
it a 90 a rip roaring hot spicy 90. That's what we would like to see in the movie is a hot spicy

1939
02:06:05,160 --> 02:06:10,760
90. I can't say I've given many nineties to movies here on this podcast. So let's hear what they like

1940
02:06:10,760 --> 02:06:17,240
about it. Uh, Kayden Mayhew five stars on letterbox. This was really needing a rewatch.

1941
02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:23,560
This is an absolute masterpiece. The editing music and storytelling makes this an instant

1942
02:06:23,560 --> 02:06:29,000
Christmas classic. Not to mention the breathtaking performances by Chris Evans and the rock.

1943
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:33,320
This movie immediately slides into my top 30 and I can't wait to watch it every year.

1944
02:06:33,320 --> 02:06:37,480
I'll probably watch it again in a few days because it's just that special.

1945
02:06:40,040 --> 02:06:45,560
We can get to some facetious, uh, people I think, but who, who can say maybe they meant every word.

1946
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:55,960
Rachel Lesh, Leishman five stars. Chris Evans, bad dad era is hot. I'll say it. I cried. Sue me.

1947
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:01,720
Max like four or five stars.

1948
02:07:01,720 --> 02:07:04,200
Sounds like they cried out of their vagina.

1949
02:07:08,280 --> 02:07:09,800
That's what it sounds like.

1950
02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:13,080
Oh, Merry Christmas.

1951
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:19,480
And happy new tears out of the not your eyes.

1952
02:07:22,680 --> 02:07:26,920
Max likes four or five stars. This should be added to the Bible.

1953
02:07:28,680 --> 02:07:29,720
Yeah, right. Uh huh.

1954
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:39,080
So, um, five stars. This is a facetious one from Nicholas cage fan. Number one, Nicholas Kim

1955
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:46,920
Coppola funniest movie ever made. The acting is so bad and phoned in. Couldn't be Nicholas cage

1956
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:56,120
somehow. And why the fuck is the big mouth guy here? LMAO the characters range from bland to

1957
02:07:56,120 --> 02:08:03,800
bland. How this got conceived and birthed out of someone's mind is beyond me. Five stars.

1958
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:09,960
Now I've seen the trend.

1959
02:08:10,840 --> 02:08:15,800
Quinteth five stars. Brooklyn's husband saves Christmas. Everything about this movie is great

1960
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:19,800
when you have a light in your heart and joy pumping through your veins. The best part is

1961
02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:24,200
how seriously characters take their world and the professionalism used in the North pole.

1962
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:30,440
Garcia and see what's happening again. Garcia and Krampus carry the charisma in the cinematic

1963
02:08:30,440 --> 02:08:40,760
experience. Five stars. Five stars from Jackson. From Jackson. I fell asleep. Five stars.

1964
02:08:44,120 --> 02:08:49,080
From Oscar five stars. I know this isn't a cinematic cinematic masterpiece. So I get the

1965
02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:55,480
negative reviews, but I just personally really loved it. It is a fun cheesy comedic action packed

1966
02:08:55,480 --> 02:08:59,800
and great holiday film. It's one of those heartwarming, heartwarming, feel good, good

1967
02:08:59,800 --> 02:09:03,880
times, family Christmas movies. It's a film for everyone to watch and definitely gets you in the

1968
02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:09,320
holiday spirit. Chris Evans performance was fantastic. The film perfectly blends the action

1969
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:14,440
and Christmas elements. The storyline and the message was wonderful. It exceeded my expectations

1970
02:09:14,440 --> 02:09:21,560
and I had a good time. That one was sincere. I feel. Yeah. Yeah, me too. And we'll end it there

1971
02:09:21,560 --> 02:09:32,040
for the audience's feelings on everything. And I guess I'll be ready to take the plunge into my

1972
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:39,480
final thoughts, if you don't mind. On the old red one. Yeah, I think overall, when I was watching

1973
02:09:39,480 --> 02:09:49,880
this, the the overriding thought was like, I don't hate it. Yeah, I like, I don't, I'm not as mad as

1974
02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:57,240
I thought it would be, but it's by no means going to be something that's like a rewatchable classic

1975
02:09:57,240 --> 02:10:04,920
Christmas movie. But I found myself chuckling at some of the elements that they wanted me to laugh

1976
02:10:04,920 --> 02:10:12,440
at. I wasn't completely like laughing at it as I thought I might be. But the parts where it becomes

1977
02:10:12,440 --> 02:10:21,960
self-serious superhero schmuck, schlopp is like just lame and I couldn't care less about that kind

1978
02:10:21,960 --> 02:10:31,240
of stuff. And Chris Evans character was a drag a lot of the times. But overall, yeah, I didn't hate

1979
02:10:31,240 --> 02:10:38,120
my my time with it. It's it's yeah, it's hard for me to come up with a defining score for it,

1980
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:55,160
especially be being on the fresh or rotten side. And I'm gonna do like a 52. I think I'm a little

1981
02:10:55,160 --> 02:11:00,680
bit more rotten. I think it's just like, yeah, I was surprised. I was surprised it wasn't as bad

1982
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:06,840
as I thought it was going to be essentially. Oh, my last thing. The last portion of the movie

1983
02:11:07,800 --> 02:11:15,880
was also one of the best parts to where they show you how Christmas happens. And you don't really

1984
02:11:15,880 --> 02:11:21,880
see a movie with Santa where he goes into one house, gets out and then goes to the very next

1985
02:11:21,880 --> 02:11:28,280
house next door. That only happens in like the Santa Claus, I feel like. But not the next house

1986
02:11:28,280 --> 02:11:33,000
after that next house after that. And this one, it like does a whole montage of him doing parkour

1987
02:11:33,560 --> 02:11:40,600
and enlarge like shrinking himself into the chimney with tiny little presents and putting them

1988
02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:45,560
in each little spot and then enlarging them. And then getting out of there all to like some

1989
02:11:45,560 --> 02:11:52,120
Christmas music. I was like I could watch a whole almost a whole movie of just like how Christmas

1990
02:11:52,120 --> 02:11:58,680
happens like that in a logistic way. And if something were to go wrong in that in that

1991
02:12:00,120 --> 02:12:05,400
sort of way of thinking about it. But beyond that, I was like, this is yeah, that was a fun way to

1992
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:10,040
to end it. But yeah, I think like, even then, I feel like I'm giving it a lot of credit. But

1993
02:12:11,320 --> 02:12:15,400
go for it. Give it credit. You love logistics and give it give it to you.

1994
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:20,440
Don't mind if I do. And there's a there's a part of me where yeah, I don't know, it could go up

1995
02:12:20,440 --> 02:12:24,760
up up a little bit more too. But I feel like pretty safe in the 5060 range for sure.

1996
02:12:25,880 --> 02:12:35,320
Okay. I mean, I'm right there with you, man. Like it is when you think about it again, like just

1997
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:41,080
the rock really just phoning it in or really just being himself. And there's not a character being

1998
02:12:41,080 --> 02:12:45,800
on display, which would make the movie more interesting and enjoyable. There's none of that.

1999
02:12:45,800 --> 02:12:52,440
And then yeah, it's just a little too dark and grim. The things that's happening with Chris Evans

2000
02:12:53,320 --> 02:12:58,200
for a holiday family movie. Get that out of there or you will change it, obviously. But

2001
02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:05,640
yeah, I mean, with the budget having the monsters having the you know, showing some of these

2002
02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:12,920
logistics and special effects. Yeah, that when it's on the screen, it's I like it. Most of it,

2003
02:13:12,920 --> 02:13:17,960
most of it. Not all of it for sure. Like the witch stuff at the end. Yeah, that's like I said,

2004
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:26,200
no thanks. Yeah, I'm gonna give it a 50. Yeah, I'm gonna do 50%.

2005
02:13:27,720 --> 02:13:30,360
Cool. Yeah, yeah. Tepid.

2006
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:41,240
Tepid. I mean, it's I don't know, it's a lukewarm experience where like it has little pops. And I

2007
02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:49,320
didn't hate it. But also, it's hard for me to fully recommend it either. But it's kind of fun to

2008
02:13:50,360 --> 02:13:56,120
sit on a Christmas night and fall asleep to maybe if you're feeling like that mode this Christmas

2009
02:13:56,120 --> 02:14:03,640
season. And you're hearing it quickly. Yeah, just like fall asleep. And then like, if you can make

2010
02:14:03,640 --> 02:14:08,680
it to cramp a schlopp, good for you. If not, I don't I don't blame you. But if you make it to

2011
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:14,520
cramp a schlopp, cool. Once that ends, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Like,

2012
02:14:15,320 --> 02:14:19,320
winter which comes, you're not you're not listening to this anyways, I'm sure. But like,

2013
02:14:19,320 --> 02:14:25,960
winter which comes, they say the day like, don't worry about it. You got it. But the fact that

2014
02:14:25,960 --> 02:14:29,480
cramp a schlopp had all this lore of being Santa's brother and everything was something that was

2015
02:14:30,920 --> 02:14:38,200
was like, Wow, okay, that's surprising. And I maybe I like lore Brandon may just like through

2016
02:14:38,200 --> 02:14:44,120
this underworld. Everything to like, I just need to just like fucking bullshit fanfic lore.

2017
02:14:44,120 --> 02:14:51,960
It doesn't even ascribe to any logical sort of folkloric accuracy.

2018
02:14:54,360 --> 02:14:59,000
You know, this is super offensive to the Iceland campuses.

2019
02:14:59,000 --> 02:15:08,280
This is a cramp I well I hope you've enjoyed the surprise Christmas episode that we've graced you

2020
02:15:08,280 --> 02:15:15,800
with. If you've made it this far in our underworld awakening. Red one combo double feature double

2021
02:15:15,800 --> 02:15:24,280
deuce experience. I'm so proud of that. That we've we've launched this is great. This is I had a blast.

2022
02:15:24,280 --> 02:15:31,400
I hope you guys did too. Me too. Yeah, I think this was a good double feature. Yeah, and I'm glad

2023
02:15:31,400 --> 02:15:37,160
that we like kind of tried this format of doing two movies, especially because this movie being so new.

2024
02:15:38,840 --> 02:15:46,600
You know, yeah, I don't Yeah, and this is great. I just I am I would love to see that Venn diagram

2025
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:55,640
of underworld awakening and red one and us right in the middle. That's what this episode was.

2026
02:15:57,960 --> 02:16:00,600
Yeah, we could have Yeah, I was just trying to think of all the

2027
02:16:01,800 --> 02:16:06,680
comparisons we could make between the two and how they all how they all relate. But

2028
02:16:08,040 --> 02:16:14,840
I'm happy with how we did it. And maybe underworld awakening will be my new Christmas tradition.

2029
02:16:14,840 --> 02:16:23,240
Who knows? But as far as it goes here, I just want to say I love you all. I hope you've had a good

2030
02:16:23,240 --> 02:16:30,600
time with us for this ride of underworld. We ranked them all. Go check out Blood Wars. Go check it out.

2031
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:36,120
Who knows? Maybe it's good. We'll have an extra little snippet next episode if one of us watches

2032
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:42,440
it. If not, maybe we'll come up with our own own title. That's not Blood Wars and our own story.

2033
02:16:42,440 --> 02:16:48,760
That's different because we've we're going to take it our own way now. And we're going to do red to

2034
02:16:50,520 --> 02:16:56,040
maybe next year we'll be doing red to Brandon. Yeah, and underworld six. Wow.

2035
02:16:57,880 --> 02:17:06,600
I'm looking forward to it. Okay, me too. And I'm also game for our next episode, which will be

2036
02:17:06,600 --> 02:17:18,840
the space Cowboys. Yeah, it's a space Cowboys. Let's blast off into the new year. That's exactly

2037
02:17:18,840 --> 02:17:23,400
why we did this, Brandon. Thank you for bringing that up. We're blasting off into the new year

2038
02:17:25,320 --> 02:17:26,600
as space Cowboys.

2039
02:17:26,600 --> 02:17:37,000
Yeah, 2025 is going to be a space cowboy year. Yeah, it's we started brat this year. Now it's space

2040
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:41,560
cowboy year. Man, that sounds like a kind of cool aesthetic. Maybe we should get that going.

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That's the same. Is that what Beyonce's album most recent album kind of was, I guess?

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Yeah, kind of. That's good. Renaissance meets meets cowboy Carter cowboy Carter. Space Cowboys

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came out in August on August 4 2000. It is a certified fresh critically reviewed movie sitting

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at a 78%. And it is a not so good 53% by the audiences. And we are going to check it out next

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step. Let's hear a little premise here. Clint Eastwood, Tommy Lee Jones, Donald Sutherland,

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and James Garner stars a group of pilots whose time has come to serve their country and fulfill

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their dream of going to space. In 1958, the members of Team Daddless, a group of top Air Force

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test pilots were ready to serve their country as the first Americans in space. When NASA replaced

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the Air Force for outer atmosphere atmospheric testing, they were pushed aside for a chimpanzee.

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The team retired, but the dream of going into space never died.

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a happy holiday season and holidays. We'll see you next time for space Cowboys. Bye.