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Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Polarize Podcast, baby.

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I am your host forever guest and vampire werewolf.

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I'll never tell. This is an episode of Polarize Podcast.

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This is a podcast about polarizing movies according to Rotten Tomatoes.

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The types of movies that audiences and critics disagree on the most.

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Sometimes audiences love it or the critics hate it or vice versa.

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It's always a battle between the two, much like the vampires and the werewolves.

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The audiences and the critics are toiling away in this

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age old war that we don't know how why it got started and how and

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why is it a two party system, folks?

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We just don't know.

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It's 31 percent by the critics.

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It's a 79 percent by the audience on that popcorn meter.

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That means it's polarizing, very polarizing.

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And we're here to talk about Underworld, baby.

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Not the band, but the movie.

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And it's the first that came out in 2003.

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It is very 2003.

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And I was a 13 year old boy in 2003.

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And let me tell you, this movie was made for a 13 year old boy in 2003.

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And I can't say to just get into my little history before I introduce my

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my host with the most.

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I don't think I saw it at that age, unfortunately,

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but I eventually came to it.

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The movie I did see first in the series was Rise of the Lichens was my first

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underworld movie that I saw in movie theaters with my friend Jason.

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Shout out, Jason.

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And he's like, don't worry about it.

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It's a prequel.

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So it's like a whole story in itself.

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And you'll be fine.

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And I was told, you know, told that story.

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But to see this movie and see those flashbacks was something because I was like,

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wow, that whole thing is plays out in Rise of the Lichens.

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But we're not here to talk about that completely today.

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We're just talking about the first iteration and I cannot for the life of me.

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Don't make me do it alone.

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I don't want to.

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I need my best bud, Brandini.

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Oh, yes, dude.

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Yes, do it now.

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Now, let's do it now, baby.

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I'm here. I'm a co-host with the mostest.

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Let's go.

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All right.

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So our world, I mean, our world, baby.

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Well, underwear, underwear, underwear.

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Oh, that's where it takes place.

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James, this is a flat earth.

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And then underneath is where the vampires and the werewolves live, right?

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Yeah, that's what the movie posits.

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Yeah, that's what it posits.

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Yeah. Uh huh.

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The werewolves live in sewers like rats, but they're dogs and they're similar.

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I love that.

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That's like the almost like a slur to the werewolves calling them dogs.

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I know it is.

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Well, because they're human beings, right?

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Because they're technically like it's because that's the difference between a werewolf

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and a like it is that a werewolf is just a wolf all the time.

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In this lore and a like it is somebody who can transform back into a human.

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Yeah, they say like over time, they've gotten stronger and stronger.

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They can just transform whenever they want.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, like a disparaging word for a vampire would be a blitz.

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A prick.

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A prick.

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Yeah, that's not bad.

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Well, this is this is our last scary movie of our spooky season here on Polaroid.

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It's the transition, right?

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It's like I was thinking about it.

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No one ever talks about this movie.

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This movie and what?

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I guess it's not really super spooky and it's also spoiler.

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Might be doing more other movies like this in the future.

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So yeah.

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So get ready and buckle up because we're starting a fucking series.

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Let's go.

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Let's just announce it.

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Let's announce it now.

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Buttercup.

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It's an underworld series.

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There's a polarizing series.

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It's a polarizing series.

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We're going through it.

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We're going through it except the last.

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So I'm super excited about this because this was a formative movie for me.

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I mean, I really this this idea of this type of protagonist to me was just so attractive

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and this combination of like Matrix and more matrix, I guess, like that aesthetic was so I was hungry for it.

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You know, because once you see the Matrix, I don't know if I saw this in the theater.

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It's really hard to recall, but I saw it pretty closely after.

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Like, I don't think I didn't see this after the age of like 16.

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It had to have happened between this releasing and coming on DVD, which makes sense because we grew up in a time where like so rated our movie as a, you know, 14 year old, 13 year old or whatever.

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You can't go to the theater because you're not allowed to, you know, unless a parent takes you.

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But like, it's not like your parents were under like, that's not you can't convince your parents.

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I didn't have cool enough parents for that to be able to convince of being like, let's go see this vampire werewolf Matrix movie.

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They were not going to be about it.

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But where this lived in and into the like us and where we sit in human history is it was you get it on DVD, you know, because that's something you could convince your parents because they're going to rebuy a toaster at Best Buy.

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And they're like, Hey, can I get a movie, you know, and even though this looks dark, it's not like gross forward and it's, yeah, I don't know.

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I think I knew about this to some degree from somebody else to I feel like, because I was, yeah, I don't know I was really into the arts, the dark arts. Yeah, I was just, I was drawn to the dark arts.

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The whole series, the prequel like you had mentioned, I had, I have, I think I've tried to watch but no, because this is a trilogy and it was set out to be that this, I have seen.

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And, yeah, this has a, this has a little corner, this has a little place in my, in my place and my being in my, who I am.

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So I'm really excited to talk to you. Yeah, same dude. I, like I, for someone who hasn't, yeah, didn't see it at the time, I just remember all my friends talking about it.

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Well, at least a few of my friends just like, yeah, man. And then they're like the vampire goes like, and then the werewolf is like, and then like two pew pew and they got the silver nitrate bullets.

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And then these other bullets got UV, they're like UV daylight bullets. So that's why it works.

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Have you seen Matrix? It's pretty much like Matrix. Which that was one that my, like my, I was pretty sheltered in terms of like not watching any, any R rated movies.

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R rated movies, yeah. Matrix was the one that like they thought was cool enough and they had seen once before, like we're going to sit down as a family and watch the Matrix.

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And I didn't understand anything that was going on, but those action scenes were just fucking mind blowing.

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And then I spent the next few years of my life like playing Matrix, like we go out on the trampoline and try to do Matrix stunt moves on the trampoline and stuff and into the pool off the roof and question, questionable stuff.

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But that was fun. It was fun. Yeah, it's, it's just, it's a, it's part of our DNA, I guess, to reiterate, you know, going into this series, going into this franchise that it's part of our DNA.

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And it's going to be interesting to be as critical as we want to be, right? We don't have to be super critical of this, because at the end of the day, it is, it's action, it's like action movie shit, you know, like this, it doesn't need to be totally serious.

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And I think hopefully we've communicated that idea well enough of like movies can just being a ride being, you know, something that's for enjoyment and not a whole lot deeper than that at times is okay.

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You know, but it's, and it's also okay to be critical of those things as well. I just hopefully we've created over time this space of like, I'm not going to get upset, say, James, if you were like, this is really stupid, you know, and that's, I guess the energy we want to put out there through this series is that of like,

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we, you can wreck, yeah, let's, yeah, I guess maybe I'm just speaking my agenda here of this, trying to reconcile like me watching this series, where I sit now at this age and, and how I feel about it and try to be open minded and critical about it if I can be.

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I'm definitely going to be operating at both of those wavelengths and within this movie alone, it's was plenty of both of like, this is fucking awesome. Hell yeah, this is sick. Like, it's vampires and werewolves fighting each other and like, and doing slow mo Matrix moves and like logic goes out the window.

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Luckily there is a surprisingly surprising amount of lore that goes with it and a lot of backstory to all this shit.

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But I absolutely am going to be critical as well. Whereas like things are stupid for sure, but in a good way. Like it's like, this is so dumb and awesome. Like it's vampires versus werewolves. Like that's what, that's what the movie is. So it's going to be kind of dumb. It should be.

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It should be. You got to start getting on board with call them like it's though you got to start. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry everybody. That's where it's going to end.

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It's okay. It's okay. It works very hard to earn that. I'm just trying to set a pace.

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That, you know, we're talking about like ends and we're in like in territory because they are the essentially the offspring of Lucian, which is where like in as a term comes from.

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You seem very brushed up on the war.

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I'm not. You're ready to is the crazy thing is I'm just was obsessed at a period of time and I fell right back into it. I was like, yeah, so I know the whole idea.

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And you have seen the other movies already too.

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I've seen three. I've seen the trilogy. I've seen all the way up to. So what is it? It's evolutions next. And then what is the last one called? I think rise of the Lichens and there's the prequel and then the next one. I don't know what it's called. And then there's another one after that.

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That is the one that's not rated super well. Maybe you've only seen two.

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There's evolution then rise of the Lichens and then awakening.

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I guess would complete the trilogy. And then there's blood wars.

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The most recent one.

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Okay, yeah. I mean, yeah, just.

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A testament to the lower you're talking about that it establishes in this first movie generated, you know, a whole franchise out of this lore, and it was fun to experience that again watching this where this movie genuinely is a setup for another movie.

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So the way that they hear the first of first of this is like introducing what you need to in order to understand what's going to happen next, and it kind of keeps it well enough in in line of like just giving you the information about the larger world through the plotting of this movie.

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And it's pretty cool.

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To have that established, and then having actors who want to come to play, and that you know that are going to be back in the next iteration and iteration after like to know Kate Beckinsale is just down and looks like she's having fun and you're the lead of a franchise.

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You are totally badass and just like, what legendary stop. Yeah, absolutely. And not only that, but I mean just to start start with the cast like Michael Sheen and Bill Nye like these guys are made to be in a movie like this like, oh my god like they there it's like, it elevates it so much, and I feel like some of this would be way more

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forgettable and just stupid without being fun and entertaining if they have, like, just not the right cast and not the right more and more of that bring like more to it.

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Yeah, I wanted that to be a little bit more.

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Yeah, follow through and then to be more ready needed a better actor. It needed a better actor so to your, to your point and I can understand I didn't do a terrible job but you know, I guess you know, yeah, I mean he was a little bit of a

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yeah, I mean he was all looks, no, like, so much of his story is about this plot he's doing, and he just is always so aloof in every scene. So it's nothing interesting you don't.

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He doesn't bring anything else to the table in it and it's really grating because he's, he's kind of acts as an audience surrogate to a degree because he is putting us in the places we need to be in order to understand these connections that are happening.

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And then, he just is like so milquetoast where he just looks like, yeah, he definitely looks like a vampire for sure. But, something to is like, we potentially we're gonna have Danny on this episode and he and Craven's outfit for the party is such a Danny outfit,

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and he had this shirt underneath that was like sparkles. It's cool, like it's, I'm not saying that it wasn't cool but it's like cool in a particular way where he's got this, like his idea of cool is having this sparkly shirt with the coat over it and having these

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fresh shoes and stuff. But nonetheless like Craven as an actor unfortunately was a bummer for me this time around because he just like amongst what you were saying I'm sorry I'm trailing off here a bit but like this movie.

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I think Bill Nye and Michael Sheen in it, really, man, you just see how, how great they are, because some of this script and stuff you can, and we will talk about, you're like, and I've seen this movie before, but poorly acted and to see a movie like this that has good actors in it

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and really bringing it, it really, it's noticeable, I guess is what I would get at. Yeah, and everything you have said, like, kind of works for how my feelings are with Scott Speedman and a little bit too but unfortunate like I just don't, I just don't want to

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be too harsh on them where it's like because I know that I'm not going to be able to T to B get the perfect cast for this movie, maybe, you know, maybe there's a world out there where those guys are a little more interesting to be with and the chemistry and everything between

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Kate Beckinsale and the romantic lead and all that like just works a little bit better. And with Craven, I think I was bummed out as much with that as, as with like his story because when it came to I was kind of interested in his kind of in the nuance of what he was trying to do.

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I was just like, his coup is is almost righteous. And he what he's trying to do with Lucian and everything is the way forward past. I forget Bill Nye's character name.

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But it's like, he's trying to unite it and then for him to, I was really bummed out like not to get too far ahead when he makes that decision to ex-nay poor Mike, poor Lucian, poor Michael Sheen out of the picture because it's like, man, I would, I wanted that to be more of a union and for those guys not to have the disagreement as much and for them to be on the same page about what they're trying to do.

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And for him to make that turn, I was like, I don't know, like, and to have a little bit more lead up of how that coup came to be a little bit. That was interesting enough to me that yeah, maybe you make good points where he could have been somebody to like have more subtext behind his performance to

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because Michael Sheen is smoldering. Like you can, you can tell like what's going on, how much hurt and pain he's been through in his existence throughout millennia or whatever.

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But this, this movie does well to your point of these characters that I feel like could be underwritten typically in a movie that is so just like a studio play for like, this is the hot new thing right now, let's make it and not really putting enough thought into it.

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And this script actually has like these layers to that guy's character there, then the stoicism and the inability to act in the first act of the movie, then actually contributes to this like ideology that we then discover that he has.

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And then to on top of it to come around and turn it and go like, no, but then he really just wants power. Like, whoa, this movie's thinking three levels deep on Craven.

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Wow, what are we doing here? That's where it starts to go backwards a little bit for me where it's like, is this everything that I want? Or is it an hour and a half pure fun and tightening those screws a little?

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That's still gonna be a criticism regardless. Like this definitely needs a little bit of those screws tightened a bit, whether you're going to focus more on the fun action, you're the romance or the lore, but just to have an almost two and a half hour movie of this was surprising to me.

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I was like, oh wow, this is built out. But I think it's also a little sloppy and a little like, yeah, like under-in-the-mine or like a little like things, especially the third act battle just goes on a little bit too long for me.

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But that's where it kind of succeeds too, because now with the lore presented, I am curious about those sequels, you know, like what else, what's out there, you know, like what's going on with this next hybrid?

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So, I think this movie is, yeah, whenever you check in, we'll bring them in. But I mean, what you're talking about is, in my mind, the byproduct of this movie being developed by a stuntman.

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Right. And really prioritizing, prioritizing stunts, which are pretty fantastic.

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The wire work is impeccable.

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Absolutely impeccable. But I agree with you that the way they built out the action sequences make the movie drag a bit.

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Because it's just, it's a lot of, it ends up being a lot of the same stuff, I think is really the problem is once you first introduce the subway scene to bring it back to the beginning of the movie, which is so matrix-y with the color correcting of it.

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And then the way that the light is flickering and whatnot.

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And the way that they move and...

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So incredibly matrix-y, which...

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It's soaking wet.

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Just wet.

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So wet.

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And she's just on top of like the ruins of a church, there's so much brooding. And then she's like narrating and that's like Carrie and Moss and Matrix and like open action scene with a woman in leather and in like this dark city.

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But yeah, I think I heard, hello neighbor.

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Hello, hey, hey, hey, hey buddy.

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How's it going?

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We got him.

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That's great. We got him. We threw out a line for Danny and looks like he took the bait.

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Yeah, man. Yeah.

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We caught ourselves a big fish.

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Yeah, really.

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And then we got a line for Danny and Albert Finney.

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You know he voiced one of the Lycans with that really deep voice.

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Oh, let's talk about the deep voice guy.

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It was shocking when that happened. When he finally talks, I was like, whoa!

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Also, what I thought too is that that guy's voice is so low, Trump would hate him because just like microphones, he doesn't want things too low.

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Is that right?

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Give that one to the Colbaker while you're at it, man.

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I think Jimmy Fallon would like that.

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You should write for Fallon.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I already dropped my two.

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What is this? Why is this a two party system?

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We're on a roll.

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We got the Lycans and we got the vampires.

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It's a two party system, even in the underworld.

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I dropped more like to mileage.

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Okay.

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How the hell are you?

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What's your underworld history?

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Are you a diehard seen them all?

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Or are you a first time arrival or are you the first one sort of guy?

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I've like poked around in the series a little bit, like really like, like I remember, I think I remember seeing this.

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I think you're, you're breaking up a little bit.

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There's a way you can get a better signal.

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Oh, geez.

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Let me see if I let me see if I can fix that.

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I can hear you a little better right now.

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Your poke around in the series a little bit.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like I definitely, I definitely like it.

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But I definitely saw this one in theaters and everything.

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But I remember it getting like pretty kind of like cheesy as it went.

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Like I think I definitely fell off of this series at the time.

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Like the third one came out and everything.

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I think it just got kind of too ridiculous.

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But I mean, I definitely like it.

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I enjoy the content of the content stuff, but I'm not the biggest fan.

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The biggest what? Sorry.

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I kind of cut in.

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I don't know.

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For some reason.

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I don't know.

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Let me see. Maybe if I just I don't want to take it off of the headphones, though.

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Well.

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You can fiddle with it for a little bit. I mean, I mean, that's.

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That is funny because yeah, it's like.

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I'm not sure at the rate of these movies coming out,

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but I think they're pretty good.

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And the reason we're here is that this is a polarizing series.

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This is not just one movie,

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but this is a series that the audience is down for throughout, you know,

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until I guess we get to the last one is where they start to turn according to

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Ron tomatoes a little bit, but.

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It just tells me that the audience doesn't give a fuck.

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They're not.

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They're not made for the critics are made for popcorn entertainment

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and should be viewed as such as just having a good time.

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Yeah.

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Enjoying the ride.

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That's fair.

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But it's surprising.

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We were mentioning a little bit earlier to the amount of lore and depth with

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some of it.

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While also some of it being under and there's time for action.

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There's time for lore.

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There's time for just actress to chew up all of the dark,

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senior dark and wet scenery all around.

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One of which I had to timestamp it.

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Bill Nye does not show up in the movie until like 45 minutes in.

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And there's a lot of buildup to it, but he does not show up until yeah,

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45 minutes.

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And God, this was the time of Bill Nye, not even being Bill Nye.

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But a good time for acting,

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even though you're not in a movie that you're not in a movie that you're

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not in a movie that you're not in a movie.

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You'd have to be either a squid, Davy Jones, man.

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You don't even see his face or covered in,

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or looks like he's missing his skin like in this one.

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I feel like that he's already so good of an actor.

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He could do it without any sort of makeup,

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but I feel like it's also one of those guys that.

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Yeah, leading up to that.

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Yeah. You mentioned the subway train or the train scene.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Two train sequences in this movie as well.

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The first one. Yeah.

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Yeah. There's the first one in the second one.

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Yeah. It's something that really kind of

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got stuck in my craw was this idea of like, what city are we in?

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You know, because there's this idea that is being posited

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that the vampire stronghold has been in this city.

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And that stronghold is now being

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contested by this growing number of Likens.

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Transylvania.

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OK, maybe. Yeah. You know what?

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I'm into that. I'm into that idea.

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No, I don't know.

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It's got this big.

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I was in a church.

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It almost looks castle-ish.

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But then it all looks like there's a state and manners and

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there's a bunch of stuff.

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I mean, in this movie, one thing that's true is there's a bunch of stuff in it.

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Oh, stuff.

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But it does have that going for it.

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Just one thing that this movie has going for his stuff.

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What other movies have? Yeah.

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Oh, man.

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A fair amount of movies have to think

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like the Bosnian movie Bosnian movies have lots of stuff.

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It has lots of stuff.

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And you're like, you know, I thought I would have a Bosnian movie.

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Mulan. Wow. Mulan region is great.

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That was a lot of stuff.

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Therefore, I like it.

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It is just a plethora of of shit.

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All that stuff on the screen.

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But yeah, so OK.

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The reason too, is that like kind of why the cross-sticking

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happened is that this movie is positing that another coven

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is coming to do this ceremony to resurrect Marcus

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because it's his turn to rule and to be alive

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because the two asleep, one alive.

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Two asleep, one alive, which still ends up being the case.

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But those that coven was so nondescript as well.

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And I would have really loved if it was more of like,

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this is the UK coven and this is like maybe the New York coven

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or something like that.

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Like I wanted a little bit more of that lore,

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which we just don't get because this movie is more concerned

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about Scott Speedman becoming a half vampire, half like it hybrid,

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which has never been seen before.

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Michael Corvin is way more interesting than anything else going on.

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What I want to know is more about Michael Corvin.

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Corvin Corvin Corvin is family.

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I think I've already said, yeah, as far as that idea, you know,

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and they've been searching for him with this red string,

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like a serial killer board that they have in the silver

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the medical bay, because they're just capturing people

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and vampires to test their blood to see if they're a good match

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with like blood. So I love that it's like, it's like just trial and error.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, totally.

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That sounds very arduous.

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No, they put both of them together and then they look in the microscope

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and then they see the cell.

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I love how they show the cells like mitosis.

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No, mitosis just like dissipates or whatever.

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Like, oh, that's no good. You know, that's no good.

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You want them to what do you want them to do?

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You want them to do not that

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but I want it to turn blue or like purple or like, hey,

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I guess he turns all all dark and right.

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Yeah. But I like that.

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It's like a crazy German scientist.

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That looks like he was once he was like he was for sure

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a Nazi vampire at some point in his history.

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I love a crazy German scientist, too.

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I know it's such a James Bond.

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It's such a well, and there's a cue scene in this.

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It's so James Bond where we.

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Yeah, that's true.

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We have to be, you know, part of the experience of the vampire

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lore where silver bullets were invented and we got to see that.

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That's where it's like, this is so dumb, but so cool at the same time.

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Like, I know, like,

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their logic of why they would still use guns against each other

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and have it be even like be able to have those new technology.

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Yeah. Is because these are they have the silver nitrate bullets

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and they have the daylight UV bullets.

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Yeah. Not only do they look fucking cool, like they have a purpose, you know,

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and you get to see the silver come out or you see the daylight effects,

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the vampire and it's like the vampire.

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And then they can have their own style of guns and just oh,

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and then Kate Beckinsale can for some reason can have infinite bullets.

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It's great. Yeah.

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I mean, the best

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the best situation of that is where and who does this often in the movie,

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but the most egregious would be her shooting into the ground

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in a circle to break through the floor of a building.

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That blew my mind.

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That blew my mind when so fucking when she has that many bullets,

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can't you just shoot the people coming at you like it seems

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like that would be more of a that's your problem.

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Yeah, like there was like

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well, there was a ring coming at her and she's like, you know what I got to do?

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I got to shoot the ground so fucking much that I all right through it.

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It's like, yeah, OK, whatever.

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Like that is like that is the that is the epitome of like

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like something that is so purposeless, but so far.

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So fucking rad.

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But told I agree like that was it was a good time.

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Like totally make up for it.

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But as far as like as as far as all the like vampire lore and stuff,

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they like decide what they should do and what they should.

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Because like at the first part where she goes to visit Marcus is like to her

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fucking Victor's tomb and shit like she walks up to that.

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She walks up to that glass like to talk to that guy.

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And she has a reflection.

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And I'm like, wow.

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But she walked up to that.

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She walks up to that control booth and there's like glass right there

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and you can see a reflection.

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And I was like, wait a second, why do we see a reflection?

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And I'm like, oh, is it because she's like a half green daywalker or something?

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And then later, like one of the other vampires

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is like looking into the mirror and I was like, oh, no, no,

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they just all have reflections like that.

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Like, I mean, there's certain stuff like that.

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We like these vampires just don't do that.

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Whatever. Sure.

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It it it pauses.

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Like it pauses. You know, I mean, they can do it.

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It's a vampire world. But yeah, it's inconsistent for sure.

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Which this movie as a whole is uneven in places as well. You know.

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Yeah, you can't hold it up to a candle.

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As well, you have to just enjoy the ride.

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That's what we're doing.

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I mean, but OK, Danny, that's a great point, though.

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Before you got here, we were talking about this idea

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because we're going to start a whole where this is the start of a whole series

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that we're doing about the underworld movies.

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And there there is a level of like

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love for this.

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Yeah, I don't know the right of it all.

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Yeah, I mean, but just like just like Resident Evil, like where

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like by the time you get to the last couple, it's like, OK.

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We've done absolutely another movie born in this time of wanting

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to be a Matrix style action movie.

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I feel it's like definitely stuck in those trappings.

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And that one screen is not

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does not kneel down in what the story and lore is going to be.

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And I think what's so fun about this one, it is an original IP,

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original story that they're doing and they don't have to adhere to any rules,

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whether it be mirror or whatever.

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And it can just make up its own thing and worry

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so much more about the stunts and then the style and the action

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and stuff like shooting a hole in the ground and everything.

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It just it made me think of like an anime or something.

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And I was like, the Wachowskis are very inspired by that kind of stuff as well.

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And it just it felt like when the music swells

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and they have a moment to themselves that you just feel like they're

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powering up or something, I just that that kind of stuff

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is so melodramatic and purely for style points.

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And it's I don't know, the self seriousness goes so far over that it becomes

425
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,580
somewhat camp, but also like I take it very much at face value as well.

426
00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:34,160
When it's Michael Sheen, Bill Nye and Kate Beckinsale believe me on everything

427
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,960
they're fucking saying, then it's like, I just have I have no problem.

428
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,500
Like they know they're cool.

429
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:43,540
They know they're buying into this whole thing.

430
00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:46,440
And they're seeing some cuckoo ass dialogue.

431
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,940
So that shit line that they had to deliver,

432
00:36:49,940 --> 00:36:54,080
like when Michael Sheen first shows up and everything and he's like, right.

433
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,380
The guys like turn back into normal.

434
00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:57,980
Well, let's talk about that real quick.

435
00:36:57,980 --> 00:37:00,080
What's the put some pads on the brakes?

436
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,320
I'm just saying his delivery in that moment is amazing

437
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,480
because their lines, I should say, is bananas.

438
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,060
Right. But that whole sequence is such a rip off of Fight Club.

439
00:37:11,060 --> 00:37:12,660
It was so funny.

440
00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:17,300
The transition of the matrix

441
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,640
subway train sequence and then going into

442
00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:28,940
running into the Fight Club that they're having amongst the Likens is so funny

443
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:32,920
because it just really is cribbing off of these things

444
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,160
that are so popular at the time and doing in a way that's very blatant. But.

445
00:37:38,820 --> 00:37:41,220
It's not like I'm totally mad about it.

446
00:37:41,220 --> 00:37:44,860
No, same. They're not even being shy about it.

447
00:37:44,860 --> 00:37:47,120
They're just like, no, we want to be like the matrix.

448
00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:49,520
I'm not upset.

449
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,960
I'm seeing things I think are cool in a movie, you know.

450
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,200
Yeah, the Wachowskis didn't sell out.

451
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,640
And, you know, they did three other Matrix movies and everything,

452
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,380
but they got very deep and philosophical and everything,

453
00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:04,780
which I like those movies for what they are for sure.

454
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,580
Yeah. But Underworld, it's like, now we just want that style

455
00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:11,320
and we just want to have fucking vampires and werewolves fight each other.

456
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,480
And it's like, yeah, sign me the hell up.

457
00:38:14,380 --> 00:38:17,280
Well, and also, too, we start to establish this idea

458
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,820
that the Likens are this underground like insurgents, these

459
00:38:22,460 --> 00:38:28,260
coups that are trying to claw back, if you will,

460
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,260
like this vampiric imperialism.

461
00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:34,240
I mean, my God.

462
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,140
Funny that you say Coors.

463
00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:38,640
It's funny that you say Coors because that's the silver bullet.

464
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:43,480
Maybe shut the fuck up.

465
00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:47,420
Well, Kraven is a Coor too.

466
00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:51,720
And if you would just if you just had a near inner circle, then.

467
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,460
I'm sorry.

468
00:38:58,460 --> 00:39:02,560
Is that what Coors stands for too?

469
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,060
It's just Coors is brood by Likens.

470
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:08,100
Is what we're bossing.

471
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:13,100
No, it sounds like it sounds like what baby birds do.

472
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:15,580
Well, I mean, I mean, they can't even touch it.

473
00:39:15,580 --> 00:39:16,580
They can't even touch.

474
00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:18,620
They'd be all all by what?

475
00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:19,620
Yeah.

476
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,220
Oh, my God, if they had a moment where.

477
00:39:23,220 --> 00:39:26,020
Likens joining good Coors in.

478
00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:27,120
Vaping.

479
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,020
Pass me a beer.

480
00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:29,620
Not that one.

481
00:39:29,620 --> 00:39:32,620
Oh, they totally drink Stella.

482
00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:35,960
A toa, those fucking snobby ass.

483
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,860
Oh, my God.

484
00:39:36,860 --> 00:39:38,600
In this movie. Oh, yeah.

485
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,500
Yeah. It's and I'd say it's been about like,

486
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:44,900
you know, I love enjoy it.

487
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:48,640
Every time Kate Beckinsale comes back into that mansion

488
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,840
and like every time all of the all the other vampires are doing

489
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,220
the exact same thing every time, they're all just sitting around

490
00:39:56,380 --> 00:40:01,160
moving and drinking, like being like fancy pants, little bitches.

491
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,960
And like, it's like like they all do nothing besides like

492
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,260
sit in the same chairs all day long drinking and smoking.

493
00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:14,600
They're so much brooding in this movie by and when everyone.

494
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,540
Yeah. Whenever they return, they're just in a different outfit.

495
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,400
All drinking their their red blood.

496
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,540
And I like how all the blood looks like different styles or different types,

497
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:27,040
you know, and that's how right.

498
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,540
That's what different types of blood look like.

499
00:40:29,540 --> 00:40:31,940
I was going to ask you guys, which which one would you rather?

500
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,680
Yeah, exactly.

501
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,120
Which which would you rather hang out in?

502
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,720
But I mean, it's I mean, you want to be in that mansion hanging out

503
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,660
and nice clothes, smoking and drinking.

504
00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:44,020
Oh, I can see pretty cool.

505
00:40:44,020 --> 00:40:44,760
Yeah, but sure.

506
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,660
I mean, maybe they just need better digs.

507
00:40:46,660 --> 00:40:47,520
And that's what they're trying to do.

508
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,600
They're trying to find a better place.

509
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,760
So there's all the yeah.

510
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,460
But for now, they're just sewers.

511
00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:52,860
That's not fun.

512
00:40:54,340 --> 00:40:55,840
Yeah, I'd rather be in the mansion.

513
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,040
No, pretty bad.

514
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,100
Yeah, yeah. I mean.

515
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:01,740
Yeah, I probably stuck in the in like the Likens.

516
00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:04,780
It was probably like my dog, too.

517
00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:06,480
Are there where the lady likens?

518
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,440
Where my lady likens at?

519
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,480
Yeah. Hey, that's a great question.

520
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,180
I didn't see any lady likens.

521
00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:15,380
Is that why Lucien fell in love with the vampire?

522
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,300
It's like, I don't want to essentially reproduce anymore.

523
00:41:19,860 --> 00:41:21,060
Let's talk about that.

524
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:23,560
Let's talk about that, because

525
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,260
this movie is positing this uprising that the likens

526
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:30,440
are the progenitors of.

527
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,640
They are the ones that are sick and tired of this empirical vampire rule.

528
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:41,340
And this stems from the very first Liken Lucien,

529
00:41:41,340 --> 00:41:44,480
which is why they're called that,

530
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,980
is leading that charge.

531
00:41:45,980 --> 00:41:50,080
And he comes off as the villain in the beginning.

532
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,820
But I mean, this movie takes a turn in the middle of it, does it not?

533
00:41:53,820 --> 00:42:00,820
I love how we get into Lucien's backstory.

534
00:42:00,820 --> 00:42:05,460
I don't love the little every now and then flashback,

535
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:08,260
how they how they kind of pepper that in throughout the movie.

536
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:11,600
I didn't care for how they did that.

537
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,680
I'm not sure what the best way would be like,

538
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,340
show that right at the beginning and then have him be a Liken

539
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:20,820
in his Liken form so you don't see his.

540
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:22,820
I know they're trying not to show that, but I think

541
00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:24,820
what I see is I know they're trying not to show his face.

542
00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:25,820
I get that.

543
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:31,160
But that reveal is so stretched out that I kind of and I didn't like

544
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,820
how they made the flashbacks like shaky and everything.

545
00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:44,340
But I like where the narrative leads us in terms of having these two factions

546
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:49,180
and then getting into both of them and then having this reveal

547
00:42:49,180 --> 00:42:51,580
of what happened so far in the past.

548
00:42:51,580 --> 00:42:54,140
That's like something I like about like Game of Thrones or something,

549
00:42:54,140 --> 00:42:57,880
you know, or like Lord of the Rings, these these big kind of lore.

550
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:03,420
It's just like you are entering into the narrative at a particular time.

551
00:43:03,420 --> 00:43:06,340
But this war has been going on for fucking ages.

552
00:43:06,340 --> 00:43:10,260
So obviously some big shit has happened and we're in trace.

553
00:43:10,260 --> 00:43:12,580
Yeah, we're here for a reason.

554
00:43:12,580 --> 00:43:16,420
And to have the vampires not be fully trustworthy

555
00:43:16,420 --> 00:43:22,220
and then have the Lichens have such a sympathetic sort of turn at the end

556
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:25,860
of why they are the way they are.

557
00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:27,300
That was a winning thing for me.

558
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:31,180
And through Michael Sheen, it was the most successful

559
00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:34,100
and it was bullshit that they killed them off.

560
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:35,100
I hated that.

561
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:36,100
Yeah.

562
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:40,300
Danny, what do you overall what do you think about the lore?

563
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:43,100
Yeah, I like I enjoyed it.

564
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:47,300
Yeah, like I think I think they did a good job of like, like you guys said,

565
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:55,020
I think they did do like a decent job with kind of kind of creating

566
00:43:55,020 --> 00:43:57,780
their own mythos and stuff.

567
00:43:57,780 --> 00:44:04,460
I thought that the that you know, you were getting something new

568
00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:13,820
with with how the whole like human hybrid like kind of thing comes about.

569
00:44:13,820 --> 00:44:19,300
You know how you have you have this bloodline of people of Scott's

570
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:21,820
feedman's people like I and I like that.

571
00:44:21,820 --> 00:44:25,260
Like it was like, oh, this is we there was one survivor of like

572
00:44:25,260 --> 00:44:27,700
a plague village and all of that.

573
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:33,540
And that's how, you know, we were able to discern that this was like a carrier

574
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:34,540
and like that.

575
00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:37,540
That was kind of an interesting storyline.

576
00:44:37,540 --> 00:44:44,020
And you know, through like pseudo, like, you know,

577
00:44:44,020 --> 00:44:49,060
bullshitty like science seems mixed with, you know, the flashbacks and stuff

578
00:44:49,060 --> 00:44:50,060
that we got.

579
00:44:50,060 --> 00:44:57,140
But like, you know, it was it was it was loosely, loosely done,

580
00:44:57,140 --> 00:44:59,500
but good enough for us to be like, yeah, I'll buy that.

581
00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:00,500
Let's go.

582
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:04,580
Let's you know, don't get mad about stuff.

583
00:45:04,580 --> 00:45:08,820
But I mean, yeah, again, James has already said this,

584
00:45:08,820 --> 00:45:14,340
and I totally agree is there are goofy on paper

585
00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:21,380
lore that is delivered so well by competent actors that make a huge difference

586
00:45:21,380 --> 00:45:25,820
in whether this movie is cool or not realistically,

587
00:45:25,820 --> 00:45:28,740
because this could be so stupid and silly.

588
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:32,940
We could be this movie could easily be a movie that us as movie fans

589
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:38,060
on that's talking here present here is like we like stupid movies,

590
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:43,980
but there's something a little bit more to this that like it finds a good balance

591
00:45:43,980 --> 00:45:48,300
between pretty silly stuff, but positing it really, really well by

592
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:54,100
competent actors that makes it like intriguing that there's this whole,

593
00:45:54,100 --> 00:46:01,300
you know, three legendary vampires and this conflict that's been happening

594
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:08,180
for centuries with the like ends and whatnot that, yeah, you're like.

595
00:46:08,180 --> 00:46:10,340
Invested in I was going to I was pulling on my notes.

596
00:46:10,340 --> 00:46:14,020
So one thing that was just brought up.

597
00:46:14,020 --> 00:46:16,300
It's the flashbacks.

598
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:22,300
There was one, though, not a flashback, but it is a cut to

599
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:27,220
like somebody doing something potentially just like recently in the past.

600
00:46:27,220 --> 00:46:30,620
But nonetheless, like this is a conversation being had by Scott

601
00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:32,620
Speedman and Kate Beckinsale.

602
00:46:32,620 --> 00:46:35,340
And while they're having the conversation in the middle of it,

603
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:38,020
they cut to Michael Sheen doing stuff.

604
00:46:38,020 --> 00:46:39,620
And it really blew me away.

605
00:46:39,620 --> 00:46:47,300
This like conversation scene essentially being broken up by a POV

606
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:51,340
of another conversation happening that's moving the plot along that made

607
00:46:51,340 --> 00:46:56,540
the overall like part of the plot and part of the movie like kind of

608
00:46:56,540 --> 00:46:59,220
ratatatat, kind of keeping that piece.

609
00:46:59,220 --> 00:47:00,220
And.

610
00:47:00,940 --> 00:47:06,780
And this movie has some pretty is pretty well paced.

611
00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:11,460
I know that we could talk about the action scenes being longer more if we wanted to,

612
00:47:11,460 --> 00:47:16,740
especially the last sequence as we get close to wrapping up, but like.

613
00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:21,300
If this movie cranks, I think my mind, the broad like the swaths

614
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:25,620
of of where things are going are great.

615
00:47:25,620 --> 00:47:31,900
Like, like from chunk to chunk to chunk, like it all makes sense in my mind of like that.

616
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:36,980
Yeah, it works just tightening up the screws a little bit and finding a way to

617
00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:38,900
make those a little less chunky, I'd say.

618
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:43,340
But I think I like how she.

619
00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:48,900
I just keep Beckinsale's character as well, takes initiative in such a cool way,

620
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:55,020
and she doesn't take shit and it's not like super performative in sort of like,

621
00:47:55,020 --> 00:48:00,380
I don't know, she just is badass and it's not any sort of she doesn't need to prove it or anything.

622
00:48:00,380 --> 00:48:02,380
She just she's doing what she wants.

623
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:06,660
She's just fucking chilling on her laptop and in the library on her, you know,

624
00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:10,500
in her leather, I love that she's like, that's her lounge where she is,

625
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:12,620
you know, the guy's giving her shit.

626
00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:16,980
And then she goes and just revives Bill Nye just like on her own

627
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:22,900
and all of her research into Scott Speedman is kind of like she's investigating.

628
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:26,940
There's a kind of somewhat of a mystery and she's crying, you know,

629
00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:32,540
and interrogating him and everything and just making moves without over

630
00:48:34,260 --> 00:48:38,860
it's like implicating to the audience about what she's doing and why she just does it.

631
00:48:38,860 --> 00:48:41,780
And you kind of have to play catch up a little bit.

632
00:48:41,780 --> 00:48:45,580
There's a little bit of spoon feeding with like those cutaways of like, remember this?

633
00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:46,580
Remember that? Yeah.

634
00:48:46,580 --> 00:48:48,540
Well, that relates to this right now.

635
00:48:48,540 --> 00:48:52,780
It's not super necessary, but she does so much heavy lifting

636
00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:54,900
when it is those scenes with Scott Speedman

637
00:48:56,420 --> 00:49:02,500
that like it's kind of amazing how well she's able to do everything top to bottom.

638
00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:04,500
And then, yeah, totally.

639
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:06,940
Yeah, that's a well set period.

640
00:49:06,940 --> 00:49:08,380
Yeah, absolutely.

641
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:10,900
Kate Beckinsale fucking rocks in this movie.

642
00:49:11,180 --> 00:49:13,300
And she carries so much of this.

643
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:17,420
Like we've talked about this weird dialogue about vampires

644
00:49:17,420 --> 00:49:22,580
and all of these echelons of like different types of vampires

645
00:49:22,580 --> 00:49:26,100
and the connection that they have with this history to the Likens

646
00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:29,340
and introducing that concept like she nails it.

647
00:49:30,780 --> 00:49:31,500
Absolutely.

648
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:36,660
And like whatever whatever stunts there is, I see her like that's actually her.

649
00:49:36,660 --> 00:49:39,380
I feel like a lot of times she's having all the wire. Yeah.

650
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:42,460
And yeah, the stunts are great in this.

651
00:49:43,460 --> 00:49:44,700
They are. They're cool.

652
00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:49,740
They're a little into the like fun of it or the amusement park ride of it all.

653
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:55,420
It's like they are very extra or very stunts.

654
00:49:55,420 --> 00:49:56,420
Spectacular.

655
00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:58,780
Yeah, very stunt spectacular.

656
00:49:58,780 --> 00:50:02,100
But that's not a bad thing, necessarily.

657
00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:04,780
Right. You know, it's it.

658
00:50:05,580 --> 00:50:08,540
This movie to me shows you the story.

659
00:50:08,540 --> 00:50:11,260
It shows you like if you.

660
00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:17,740
Aren't like the audience is cachet by taking something serious

661
00:50:17,740 --> 00:50:22,300
and really like living in that world, you are then allotted

662
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:25,820
like more leniency,

663
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:32,700
leniency on things that are overblown or spectacular, like too much, you know?

664
00:50:33,060 --> 00:50:36,220
And yeah, I think this movie fucking nails that.

665
00:50:36,220 --> 00:50:38,300
Straight up, like I.

666
00:50:39,580 --> 00:50:42,660
Like, OK, so then there's the Scott Speedman of it all,

667
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:47,940
which is like the center of this movie that it's like just circling around.

668
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:56,740
And I feel like that that gradual bleeding of information about who and why he's so important.

669
00:50:57,220 --> 00:51:01,540
I think that's where it gets a little repetitive to me in terms of the narrative,

670
00:51:01,540 --> 00:51:05,620
because there's this period of time in the movie where he's just getting filled with the story.

671
00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:07,900
He's just getting fucking tossed around.

672
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:12,300
He gets a bit by the Lakin and then he gets dropped off at the vampires

673
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:13,980
and like, we don't fucking want you.

674
00:51:13,980 --> 00:51:15,780
And they go back to like is back to the vamp.

675
00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:18,460
And then like the fake cops are after him.

676
00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:23,140
And like, it's just a lot of chasing after Scott Speedman without really fully knowing

677
00:51:23,700 --> 00:51:27,780
why you I mean, you know, but like, you know, they reveal it like this.

678
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:30,340
It's like this big thing. I was like, yeah, no, I pretty much got it.

679
00:51:30,340 --> 00:51:36,860
And I thought that was like just the only like kind of repetitive thing when it got to like the cops

680
00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:40,340
with him in the car and the back and everything, like taking them,

681
00:51:40,340 --> 00:51:46,060
taking him back from Cape Econ sail when he's like handcuffed and stuff.

682
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:48,860
I was like, didn't you guys just have him and bite him and then give him to the vampires?

683
00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:49,740
Now you got to come back.

684
00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:54,820
Like there's so much of we need Scott, Scott Speedman.

685
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:59,700
Sure. It's in this movie fascinates me.

686
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:02,780
And then McGuffin's in the Scott Speedman of it all,

687
00:52:02,780 --> 00:52:08,460
because that seems like such a studio direction is you have to have a hardened soul

688
00:52:08,460 --> 00:52:10,260
in this vampire movie.

689
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:16,260
You need something that's very classic movies, this will they won't they relationship

690
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:19,820
that then carries on throughout this entire trilogy. And.

691
00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:22,940
Yeah, it's.

692
00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:28,300
Again, it's the Scott Speedman of it all, where he is

693
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:33,380
in my mind is more cast because of looks than because of acting quality.

694
00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:38,820
And so that's why this movie has this unevenness where you have like really amazing actors

695
00:52:38,820 --> 00:52:41,780
like Kate Beckinsale, Michael Sheen, Bill Nye.

696
00:52:41,780 --> 00:52:44,700
And then you have Scott Speedman with like me and James.

697
00:52:44,700 --> 00:52:47,540
I feel like I've watched movies because we watch movies all the time.

698
00:52:47,540 --> 00:52:49,540
That's why we do what we do.

699
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:57,740
And like a ton of movies we've seen is like that character in the story is played by a looks guy.

700
00:52:57,740 --> 00:53:02,220
And is kind of a little bit underwritten because of the capability of that actor.

701
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:06,180
And it is somewhat distracting in these movies where you're like,

702
00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:08,380
I need you to have more emotion in this.

703
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:14,460
And you're really just providing more of like mood setting and look of it rather than like hair.

704
00:53:14,460 --> 00:53:19,180
Yeah. Yeah. Then actually providing something interesting about your playing life,

705
00:53:19,180 --> 00:53:24,620
which is very harrowing in this movie because he's transforming into a whole different beast.

706
00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:29,660
And then getting involved in all of this vampire lichen struggle.

707
00:53:29,660 --> 00:53:37,340
And he just acts like, OK, the thing that drives me nuts about him is he is the epitome of.

708
00:53:38,060 --> 00:53:40,620
Like the grunge era. Yeah.

709
00:53:40,620 --> 00:53:42,540
It's almost like Eddie Vedder.

710
00:53:42,540 --> 00:53:51,020
Like, yeah, it really is so clearly in my mind, like a studio thing of 2003.

711
00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:53,500
They still aren't with the times yet.

712
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:56,940
They still think that an Eddie Vedder type is what the audiences want.

713
00:53:56,940 --> 00:54:03,420
And then you just get them and then you get Scott Speedman, which is like, it's not again,

714
00:54:03,420 --> 00:54:06,860
he's not bad, but he just doesn't bring anything else.

715
00:54:06,860 --> 00:54:08,620
It's just so serviceable.

716
00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:13,660
And when you have people like Bill Nye in this movie, which I had to make a note of is.

717
00:54:14,780 --> 00:54:20,780
In this movie, he's almost like working on the what ends up becoming the Davy Jones,

718
00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:22,300
like clicking of his mouth.

719
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:24,060
Oh, yeah, he's doing some of that for sure.

720
00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:26,380
Yeah, he's doing mouth work in this.

721
00:54:26,380 --> 00:54:27,740
And I loved it.

722
00:54:27,740 --> 00:54:31,260
Saying that enough of it.

723
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:32,220
I'm weird.

724
00:54:32,220 --> 00:54:36,620
You're a vampire like and he nails it.

725
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:46,940
It's just such a great casting to cast Bill Nye as that vampire is inspired to be an inspired Davy

726
00:54:46,940 --> 00:54:50,060
Jones, I'm sure in a way, too, that he could do something like that.

727
00:54:50,060 --> 00:54:55,980
And I mean, to to touch on the Scott Speedman a little bit more is like the yeah, the parallel

728
00:54:55,980 --> 00:55:01,100
would be probably Keanu and Matrix, since that's been such a big comparison of like of someone in

729
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:01,500
that role.

730
00:55:01,500 --> 00:55:07,020
But another one that I'm thinking of is James McAvoy and wanted and what James McAvoy does in

731
00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:11,500
that movie is he's brought into a world of assassins that he doesn't understand.

732
00:55:12,140 --> 00:55:19,820
And Angelina Jolie is kind of like the Carrie Anne Moss or the Kate Beckinsale to have a

733
00:55:19,820 --> 00:55:21,900
connection to him in that movie.

734
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:26,620
And his reaction to Angelina Jolie, like putting him through the wringer of what he's to expect

735
00:55:26,620 --> 00:55:28,700
in this world the whole time in that movie.

736
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:31,900
I remember him just being like, whoa, this is great.

737
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:33,740
Well, what do you mean?

738
00:55:33,740 --> 00:55:34,540
There's a sass.

739
00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:35,340
No way.

740
00:55:35,340 --> 00:55:36,780
Like he is like losing his mind.

741
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:40,460
He cannot believe like what's happening and that's a normal reaction.

742
00:55:40,460 --> 00:55:40,940
Right.

743
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:42,620
And that's a normal reaction.

744
00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:46,780
And that's my point with Scott Speedman is like he has only like one or two of those

745
00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:52,380
moments where he's like at one point he's like I've been bit by a fucking human.

746
00:55:52,380 --> 00:55:53,180
Like what do you mean?

747
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:55,580
Like when he's talking to his buddy at the hospital or whatever.

748
00:55:55,580 --> 00:56:00,620
But there needed to be a lot more like what the fuck is going on and what is happening

749
00:56:00,620 --> 00:56:01,100
to me?

750
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:07,500
There is not enough urgency and not enough fear, not enough spectrum of those emotions,

751
00:56:07,500 --> 00:56:11,260
not to harp so hard on poor Scott Speedman because I'm sure he did.

752
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:11,740
Go for it.

753
00:56:11,740 --> 00:56:12,540
He did.

754
00:56:12,540 --> 00:56:15,260
He did what the director told him to do in a lot of ways.

755
00:56:15,260 --> 00:56:18,620
And he was put in this position for whatever reason.

756
00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:23,580
But when you put Michael Corvin, but when you put him next to these other actors and

757
00:56:23,580 --> 00:56:27,580
it just kind of highlights it a little bit more.

758
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:30,620
Yeah.

759
00:56:30,620 --> 00:56:34,700
The difference is too great between other players in this movie.

760
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:40,060
You know, and the other thing, like I didn't for some reason didn't clock it of like when

761
00:56:40,060 --> 00:56:43,260
I didn't I didn't do too much research, but I was just like Googling underworld and all

762
00:56:43,260 --> 00:56:47,900
that stuff and then it was like, oh, based on a story, Romeo and Juliet.

763
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:49,740
I was like, oh, duh.

764
00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:51,340
Like, of course.

765
00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:57,340
But then, of course, like that's more of Michael Sheen's story is the Romeo and Juliet of it

766
00:56:57,340 --> 00:56:57,580
all.

767
00:56:59,340 --> 00:57:05,980
But if they were to add a little bit more of that Romeo and Juliet into this is another

768
00:57:05,980 --> 00:57:06,620
way they could have gone.

769
00:57:06,620 --> 00:57:08,220
It's already two almost two and a half hour movie.

770
00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:12,860
So maybe there's not enough room for romance and maybe that's more an evolution or

771
00:57:12,860 --> 00:57:13,260
something.

772
00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:21,340
But their scenes together like had no real chemistry that was to be desired, unfortunately.

773
00:57:21,340 --> 00:57:24,380
But I know they're going through a lot in this movie.

774
00:57:24,380 --> 00:57:27,260
So even when that kiss happened, I'll do what?

775
00:57:27,260 --> 00:57:28,460
Of course, you're handcuffing.

776
00:57:28,460 --> 00:57:29,900
OK, that that makes more sense.

777
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:30,780
Well, right.

778
00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:34,220
And the kiss happens because of Kate Beckinsale.

779
00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:39,580
Like she is the initiator of it, you know, because she is not only kissing him, but she

780
00:57:39,580 --> 00:57:44,380
is tying him down because she understands that he's going to become a like it.

781
00:57:44,380 --> 00:57:49,020
And there's so much more work being done by her while Scott Speedman on the other hand

782
00:57:49,020 --> 00:57:56,940
just seems like, OK, I guess I'm going to be here and you're like, yeah, like, I mean,

783
00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:58,540
it's at a bare minimum.

784
00:57:58,540 --> 00:57:59,820
I think all of us can agree.

785
00:57:59,820 --> 00:58:02,620
He set his lines and hopefully showed up to work on time.

786
00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:03,180
Like, I don't know.

787
00:58:04,220 --> 00:58:07,420
Dude, I bet he's then I could maybe is not I know nothing about it.

788
00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:08,860
I could totally see that.

789
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:10,940
Him just being a consummate professional.

790
00:58:10,940 --> 00:58:14,620
It did exactly what the director said and nothing more.

791
00:58:14,620 --> 00:58:19,260
You know, you bring you bring someone else like, yeah, we're just going to this whole

792
00:58:19,260 --> 00:58:22,220
podcast is going to be Michael Sheen, Bill Nye.

793
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:27,180
Yeah, it's going to be that we're starting.

794
00:58:27,180 --> 00:58:31,260
Actually, the name of the series is Scott Speedman could have done more.

795
00:58:31,260 --> 00:58:33,660
I wonder how he takes on that.

796
00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:35,980
Yeah, that hybrid role in an evolution.

797
00:58:35,980 --> 00:58:38,220
I guess we will find out.

798
00:58:38,220 --> 00:58:42,220
I'm not sure how I feel about what it what do you guys think about how the hybrid looks

799
00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:46,860
now that we're kind of getting into what are missing in this movie?

800
00:58:47,580 --> 00:58:54,940
Yeah, I think it was smart to do a pretty minimal like it's it's an in-between transfer

801
00:58:54,940 --> 00:58:55,740
of the two.

802
00:58:55,740 --> 00:59:01,500
I think that they nailed pretty well.

803
00:59:01,500 --> 00:59:07,020
Like, it's just his essentially his rib cage, like his chest is larger and then his skin

804
00:59:07,020 --> 00:59:09,100
turns like a great color.

805
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:14,620
But overall, yeah, I think they were smart to choose something that didn't require a

806
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:21,100
lot because I think we could probably already tell that Scott Speedman adding more to his

807
00:59:21,100 --> 00:59:23,020
play might not have been a better move.

808
00:59:23,020 --> 00:59:28,780
So I think the movie did well to make sure that Scott Speedman was as comfortable as

809
00:59:28,780 --> 00:59:32,620
he could be so that he could just deliver his lines and show up to work.

810
00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:38,620
I feel like there's some element of him being able to do some of those stunts.

811
00:59:38,620 --> 00:59:41,420
They're like, oh, he's in shape and he can move around.

812
00:59:41,420 --> 00:59:44,460
Well, you know, we can put the makeup on him and he'll look good.

813
00:59:44,460 --> 00:59:48,700
Would you would you think of the how the werewolf I mean, sorry, sorry, the werewolf.

814
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:51,500
How do you think how the Likens looks, Danny?

815
00:59:52,860 --> 00:59:53,900
I liked him.

816
00:59:53,900 --> 01:00:01,100
Honestly, I like I did think that although there was a few different like attacks that

817
01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:07,180
the Likens did that it looks like really, really like kind of like like cheesy kind

818
01:00:07,180 --> 01:00:11,340
of like like I can't remember what it was.

819
01:00:11,340 --> 01:00:15,900
It was like what it was like one of the times that they're attacking people.

820
01:00:15,900 --> 01:00:22,700
And like breaking through glass and like just it like they just do like a quick shot of

821
01:00:22,700 --> 01:00:27,100
some of like a claw and like some teeth on somebody, but you can't quite tell anything.

822
01:00:27,100 --> 01:00:34,700
And like I like I wanted in the in the beginning, like I wanted to be a little less like,

823
01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:41,500
you know, I always gravitate less, less towards the CG and more towards the practical effects.

824
01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:48,300
But then when there was actual practical effects with like the the Likens, it was like maybe.

825
01:00:51,100 --> 01:00:51,900
Maybe we what?

826
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:52,300
Sorry.

827
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:53,500
With the practical effects.

828
01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:58,700
They were like the practical effects.

829
01:00:58,700 --> 01:01:00,700
Oh, shit, dude.

830
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:02,700
I know it's not better.

831
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:03,900
Yeah, I think.

832
01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:05,900
Yeah, we I think I got what you're saying.

833
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:07,500
It was just like, that's hard.

834
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:09,100
That's a hard one to do.

835
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:13,900
Because the CG looks, I think, even worse.

836
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:14,700
Worse.

837
01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:17,500
But I know what you mean.

838
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:19,500
Where the like I usually want practical effects.

839
01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:20,700
And I still think I do.

840
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:23,900
And I understand that there needed to be some combination of the two.

841
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:25,100
I totally understand that.

842
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:26,700
And this is what they want.

843
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:30,300
They wanted storyboarded out of what it should look like.

844
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:32,700
And they just made it happen with whatever CG that they could.

845
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:37,500
But just to think that at this point in time, there were so many things that they could

846
01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:42,700
do that at this point in time, there were still a guy in a werewolf costume and a big dumb

847
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:43,900
rubber mask.

848
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:46,300
And they had to just act opposite each other.

849
01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:51,500
And there's a moment in the movie where a guy pulls out two whips that are made of silver.

850
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:53,900
And there's just a big guy in a werewolf costume.

851
01:01:53,900 --> 01:01:56,300
I'm like, peak cinema.

852
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:59,100
Like, this is it, man.

853
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:00,300
This is what it's all about.

854
01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:06,300
And he's just like, oh, and the guy's like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

855
01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:08,300
Yeah, yeah.

856
01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:10,300
This is awesome.

857
01:02:10,300 --> 01:02:12,300
I love those whips.

858
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:16,300
I'm whipping that like, oh, man.

859
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:18,300
I fucking love that whip guy, man.

860
01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:20,300
That was so, I'm writing like, so calibrated.

861
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:22,300
And then his whip got stuck.

862
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:24,300
And then he got to eat.

863
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:26,300
Isn't dual wielding is a thing of this time?

864
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:30,300
I feel like dual wielding is like on a lot of shit right now.

865
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:32,300
A lot of two guns.

866
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,300
Yeah.

867
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:36,300
And then he was doing a lot of that.

868
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:40,300
And I don't know, I think like Legolas and his knives.

869
01:02:40,300 --> 01:02:42,300
Dual wielding is cool.

870
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:50,300
There was so many times though where like Steve would put like, she's a terrible shot in this movie.

871
01:02:50,300 --> 01:03:00,300
Like, every time she fires people, like she misses so much that it's like you kind of lose faith in her.

872
01:03:00,300 --> 01:03:04,300
Well, when she's at the shooting range, she's shooting all those busts of different like.

873
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:06,300
I love that scene.

874
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:14,300
I would love to shoot into marble busts of like, I don't know, what was that, William Shakespeare or something?

875
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:18,300
A famed Lycan, let's shoot his head.

876
01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:20,300
Yeah.

877
01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:22,300
Just shooting the silver bullets off.

878
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:26,300
And then there's, yeah, there's a Q that exists in the world.

879
01:03:26,300 --> 01:03:44,300
And then also to the wardrobe is so funny to me because you like as a wardrobe is you, not me, but I'm just thinking like them for this is like, it must be difficult to find a balance between like.

880
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:57,300
Okay, vampires have been around for a while, so they have this old aesthetic to their clothing, but then we need to update it and we need to make it, you know, BDSM.

881
01:03:57,300 --> 01:04:03,300
And striking that balance.

882
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:17,300
Yeah, and I feel like they put it all into Kate Beckinsale because yeah, like, I mean, not that the other vampires outfits are bad, but it's just like they, they, yeah, they all look, they all look good and everyone looks like their models hanging out at like, I don't know what kind of.

883
01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:26,300
Yes, like, like, is this a Balenciaga shoe?

884
01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:28,300
Yeah, and her friend and everything.

885
01:04:28,300 --> 01:04:34,300
I like how her friend like is faithful to her as well like helps her out and get the Q and stuff and.

886
01:04:34,300 --> 01:04:35,300
Me too.

887
01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:48,300
And yeah, like both her and her friend like have the most like symmetrical faces I've ever seen in my life or they're just, yeah, they look like everyone in vampire land looks like just models.

888
01:04:48,300 --> 01:05:00,300
But Kate Beckinsale is a tire man. It's just, it is so cool and like the way that they fit in like this corset sort of thing and how she never has lounge wears.

889
01:05:00,300 --> 01:05:14,300
I don't know why I'm talking that more because I just like to be cozy, but I'm just like throughout the whole movie there's another point where Kate Beckinsale can like have a moment to chill and when she does I'm telling you she's just in the library sitting very straight up on her laptop

890
01:05:14,300 --> 01:05:19,300
and like get this girl some leather PJs or something. I don't know.

891
01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:23,300
Leather PJs.

892
01:05:23,300 --> 01:05:35,300
I just, I mean what what does she wear when she goes to sleep? I don't know any of these vampires. They just like they all hang out at the mansion and just the finest, finest wear all the time.

893
01:05:35,300 --> 01:05:38,300
New vampires sleep though, you know.

894
01:05:38,300 --> 01:05:39,300
Yeah, maybe.

895
01:05:39,300 --> 01:05:44,300
I like to think they all like hanging out upside down, you know, on top of the ceiling.

896
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:55,300
I did, I did really like like the, the whole like sarcophagus room like I loved how that, that shit was rad.

897
01:05:55,300 --> 01:06:09,300
Like how it like, it pops up from the ground and then she like turns it and everything. And then it has the whole like little blood loon.

898
01:06:09,300 --> 01:06:11,300
Yeah, dude.

899
01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:17,300
Yeah, that was really fucking cool.

900
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:37,300
And then once you pop all the tubes out and then it's like yeah, that was great. I mean, he, and then his, his slow transition to being like, like, like flesh, like, like not a dried up like raisin was fucking great.

901
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:45,300
I love that the vampire jerky is what I call it.

902
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:52,300
I like how it showed when when the blood was going into his body, it showed that there was like spider webs and stuff.

903
01:06:52,300 --> 01:06:57,300
I love that. And that was one of my notes.

904
01:06:57,300 --> 01:07:15,300
The inside body CG in this movie blows it's so shitty looking. To your point, how funny is that that the CG inside of his body has cobwebs in it.

905
01:07:15,300 --> 01:07:35,300
That reminded me kind of like the opening of Fight Club 2 or it's just kind of like that opening where it's going through the all of the body.

906
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:50,300
It's the body. Yeah, I forget. Like it's just going going like there's points in Fight Club where it does like into the inner workings of something like when the fridge or whatever shows them like oh it'll light up a fire, it'll explode or whatever.

907
01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:56,300
It's just seeing it's cool. It's funny to see like trademarks of CG at a certain time and

908
01:07:56,300 --> 01:08:07,300
Trademarks of movies in general at this time. I mean to bring it back full circle to where we started is like this movie wears its influences on its shoulder wholeheartedly.

909
01:08:07,300 --> 01:08:13,300
Like yeah, there's just clear ripping off of what this movie thinks is cool.

910
01:08:13,300 --> 01:08:30,300
And it's also very of the time in its own way of things that haven't stuck around. And like yeah those those trademarks of the time. But I was thinking of the soundtrack and these certain moments not just shooting the hole in the ground.

911
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:47,300
But you guys remember when Michael Sheen. He's all shot up from her but then he has to have his moment to push the bullets out of his skin. Yeah, all of a sudden this song starts. It's like yeah.

912
01:08:47,300 --> 01:09:01,300
He's like pushing it all out and it just yeah like that kind of stuff is like evanescence hot topic sort of shit that hits me in a way that's not going to happen.

913
01:09:01,300 --> 01:09:08,300
So the same way if they see that movie for the first time without without living through it.

914
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:18,300
He got some hungry kiddies over there. I know. Yeah, Kara is going to be back any moment Luna I promise. She's going to feed you when she gets back. She's gonna be back any moment. Let's get to the notes.

915
01:09:18,300 --> 01:09:30,300
Let's get to the yeah. Well yeah I was just gonna my final thing about that. No just the final action scene I thought was yeah like I said a little long and just when they were like have those gunfights I thought they look so that's where it looked.

916
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:41,300
The sons were not good sometimes because you just see two people with automatic weapons like big rifles that could shoot a yak from 300 yards away.

917
01:09:41,300 --> 01:09:57,300
They would be like 20 feet from each other and just they'd be moving at each other to pew pew pew pew and then some of them roll over and that happened like five times at the end I'm like we don't need these shots like just get those little like pops of moments

918
01:09:57,300 --> 01:10:10,300
and that kind of violence that drag and then yeah Bill Nye's death was rad you know like so rad like him sitting there like the whole process of him being confidence. I got this.

919
01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:12,300
Wait a minute.

920
01:10:12,300 --> 01:10:20,300
Something's wrong and then it will go to Kate Beckinsale and her blade is bloody he's like oh something's definitely wrong.

921
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:35,300
He curved around with a severed head that's not what you would do. Like that's not how things happen. Like you can't just keep your head cut in half and then turn around have a moment.

922
01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:47,300
That's not helpful. And if it does happen it's got to be directly horizontal so gravity can at least hold it flat on your lower half. If it's diagonal it's gonna slide off immediately.

923
01:10:47,300 --> 01:10:52,300
And that's just how that works.

924
01:10:52,300 --> 01:11:04,300
It made it remind me like yeah final destination kind of that's life.

925
01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:17,300
One of my notes was when Scott Speedman is transforming into starts transforming into a werewolf in the back of the cops car what do the cops do first thing they turn on the radio.

926
01:11:17,300 --> 01:11:26,300
He's like, he's transforming. Let's turn on some tins.

927
01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:28,300
Drag.

928
01:11:28,300 --> 01:11:45,300
This photograph.

929
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:53,300
It plays the location which you can't have that is this town exists nowhere not London.

930
01:11:53,300 --> 01:11:58,300
It was perfect.

931
01:11:58,300 --> 01:12:03,300
Yeah, it could be London.

932
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:05,300
God forbid.

933
01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:07,300
It's so sound.

934
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:11,300
Yeah, one awake to sleep. I was. Yeah, there's a.

935
01:12:11,300 --> 01:12:29,300
When was there vampire sex. I think that was the craven and the lady is her friend. Oh yeah, and I just wrote so there must be so many hickeys after vampire sex because they're just like terrible their neck would be.

936
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:43,300
When he says he's gonna fill her in on these things. Oh yeah. He's like, he's like, come on, it comes in my rooms like Billy.

937
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:50,300
I wrote down I was like, do you have to take your top off to get your neck.

938
01:12:50,300 --> 01:13:07,300
Like if you have blood is that, I don't know.

939
01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:21,300
I'm gonna.

940
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:24,300
Sweet.

941
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:38,300
Get off this pot and go watch Top Gear.

942
01:13:38,300 --> 01:13:54,300
I'm not a big car guy and I'm doing my best in your okay bread and what's good.

943
01:13:54,300 --> 01:13:56,300
I think that's it.

944
01:13:56,300 --> 01:14:00,300
There gears and grease.

945
01:14:00,300 --> 01:14:09,300
I'm not good enough to grease down.

946
01:14:09,300 --> 01:14:14,300
Okay, well I am going to move on to the next section of the podcast.

947
01:14:14,300 --> 01:14:16,300
Nice. Take a break at.

948
01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:21,300
Take a break. If you want right now or should we power through.

949
01:14:21,300 --> 01:14:23,300
Take a quick break and then power through.

950
01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:25,300
Okay.

951
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:29,300
Okay, be right back.

952
01:14:29,300 --> 01:14:32,300
Okay.

953
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:45,300
Let's check out some news of underworld 2003. It was a 31% by critics a 79% by audiences. Let's check out some little blurbs by critics.

954
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:49,300
One Peter travers from Rolling Stone gave it a one out of four.

955
01:14:49,300 --> 01:15:03,300
Maxing says the chief vampire Bill Nye, a line that pretty much nails the rusty blade.

956
01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:13,300
Oh and Gleiberman Entertainment Weekly the sort of movie in which the head vampire telegraphs is evil by using a cell phone and dressing like kinks Ray Davies in the early 80s.

957
01:15:13,300 --> 01:15:15,300
Wow, that can write.

958
01:15:15,300 --> 01:15:27,300
Didn't it? Yeah Davies in the 80s. Scott Von Doviak Fort Worth Star Telegram. Let's check it out. Dark shadow. He says it's a dark shadows for the PlayStation 2 generation. Okay. Okay.

959
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:30,300
Okay.

960
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:33,300
Okay. Okay.

961
01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:45,300
Claudia Puig gave it a one out of four features some of the year's most laughable dialogue is what she says. Jonathan Forman New York Post sometimes talent and good looks just aren't enough.

962
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:51,300
Beckinsale lacks the movie star presence needed to give life a supernatural hero in a pre-genre film.

963
01:15:51,300 --> 01:15:54,300
Not true.

964
01:15:54,300 --> 01:16:01,300
Liam Lacey Globe and Mail. It's hard to recall a more sexless vampire flick two out of four.

965
01:16:01,300 --> 01:16:04,300
Oh, she's wanted more horn. Yes.

966
01:16:04,300 --> 01:16:07,300
You want to more vampires. Yeah.

967
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:12,300
I will. Yeah, just wait a look for you more years for Twilight. I'm telling you. It'll be great. I'm telling you.

968
01:16:12,300 --> 01:16:24,300
Roger Ebert said this movie is this movie is so paltry in its characters and shallow in its story that the war seems to exist primarily to provide graphic visuals, two out of four. His full review is pretty good.

969
01:16:24,300 --> 01:16:27,300
But I won't go more into that.

970
01:16:27,300 --> 01:16:36,300
Nita Gates New York Times achieves only loudness aggressive confusion and one of the silliest head split things in film history. Two out of five.

971
01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:54,300
Manola Dargis LA Times alas as is often the case with lower and genre movies the story cooked up by Wiseman and his friends actor Kevin Graveau and film screenwriter Danny McBride is decidedly less important than the look of the film and its influences.

972
01:16:54,300 --> 01:17:03,300
Two out of five. And that's our little tasting of the critics. They're much they're just too good for this movie, I guess.

973
01:17:03,300 --> 01:17:18,300
Let's hear from the people five stars on letterboxed Zoe says, everybody say it with me and there's a little claps here so I'll try to get the claps where she has them in the emoji Lucian deserved better.

974
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:24,300
Lucian deserved better.

975
01:17:24,300 --> 01:17:31,300
Love that. Yeah, love that. Isabel five stars this makes me want to buy a leather trench coat and do parkour.

976
01:17:31,300 --> 01:17:34,300
Good for you.

977
01:17:34,300 --> 01:17:45,300
Alleybug five stars if you give me a gothic film with sexy werewolves and vampires Kate Beckinsale wearing latex and a soundtrack with skinny puppy in a perfect circle. Do you really expect me not to fall in love with it?

978
01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:52,300
Stop it.

979
01:17:52,300 --> 01:18:15,300
Oh, Eliza five stars basically mid tier maybe worse vulgar autism but my brother was very into this and the matrix and Christian new metal like skill and pod when I was like five so when I was like five so the goofy edgy early 2000s goth aesthetics of this call out to a very formative moment in my life, like a Proustian Madeline and therefore it gets five stars.

980
01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:31,300
Special things get it because I'm gothic to my brother. Yeah, I like the shitty vampire movie largely because of him. But he also taught me how to be really fucking good at dance dance revolution and let me steal his PS2 games. So it all shakes out in the end.

981
01:18:31,300 --> 01:18:39,300
Yeah.

982
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:45,300
I love how PS2 is just mentioned. It just brings me back.

983
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:55,300
Noah five stars hot people in leather and latex who are out in the constant rain is what I'm looking for in a partner.

984
01:18:55,300 --> 01:19:09,300
And finally by Tony five stars freaking phenomenal and utterly amazing. This is like a huge favorite of mine. I just love the world in this movie with the vampires and likens. God dang gate beckonsills just kick ass is Celine such a great character.

985
01:19:09,300 --> 01:19:22,300
I love the vision Len Wiseman brings to this movie Len I miss you please come back to direct. He'll be directing a john wick spin off ballerina. I need his direction back man. I highly recommend this movie. It's incredible. I also just love the sequel.

986
01:19:22,300 --> 01:19:39,300
I wish this movie was talked about more. Oh yeah there's this one. I found out I'll read this one from Jay Munyon titled this movie qualifies for a 20 star rating. Seriously, this is a Danny malignant situation. Yeah.

987
01:19:39,300 --> 01:19:53,300
Oh no they go on to say all other vampire werewolf movies before or since this release wish they were worthy of being in this series and business week there are benchmark ideals, the elite best of the best that set the standard for everything else in this category to measure up to

988
01:19:53,300 --> 01:20:13,300
or be measured by underworld sets the bar for all vampire and werewolf movies. Kate Beckinsale demonstrates how female leads are supposed to take charge in this 2003 release underworld and just FYI, she continues this great performance throughout the underworld sequels, underworld evolution and underworld rise of the likens.

989
01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:26,300
I don't think she's in that but okay. All three are the very best there is in this genre. I can't believe you haven't ordered your own DVD. By all three in this series right now. You'll thank me.

990
01:20:26,300 --> 01:20:36,300
You'd have to not know anything about vampires or werewolves not to love this film or be under 20 years old so you want somebody more your age and headliner roles.

991
01:20:36,300 --> 01:20:51,300
So you watch the TV series softer milder less scary stuff. Who on that get the real stuff. This series has all the terror, all the gore, all the legend and all the antiquity with Kate Beckinsale.

992
01:20:51,300 --> 01:21:04,300
I almost bought two copies in case one gets damaged. I hate to go too long between opportunities to watch one of the underworld series films. Oh yes, definitely five stars.

993
01:21:04,300 --> 01:21:11,300
Oh, I love that guy.

994
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:16,300
That guy gets like points on distribution of that movie or something.

995
01:21:16,300 --> 01:21:20,300
Oh, I said something tells me that can I get to buy it.

996
01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:24,300
There was a call to action for sales.

997
01:21:24,300 --> 01:21:29,300
My favorite in an audience review.

998
01:21:29,300 --> 01:21:35,300
Code word like it.

999
01:21:35,300 --> 01:21:39,300
I don't know. I love the love. It's fun to end on that.

1000
01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:57,300
Those kind of reviews because it's almost kind of contagious the love coming from them. It's just more fun to to love movies in general it's there sometimes where it's impossible and you can't do it even how hard you try and I think we always try to love whatever we see and it doesn't always work out that way.

1001
01:21:57,300 --> 01:22:06,300
That being said, Danny, what would any final thoughts and a score you give the whole underworld.

1002
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:32,300
Yeah, I'd say like, you know, you guys made a lot of the points you guys were making about about our breath got feeding there were right on. Like, I thought that, you know, like, he definitely, he definitely parking like an Eddie better type and like I wish that, whether we got, you know, a better performance or even just a different care person.

1003
01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:50,300
I think that this movie would could have stood to have that a little bit more as well as like, you know, I did want like, I did think that there was some things that were lacking but as far as like it being like you said a popcorn movie the stunts were good.

1004
01:22:50,300 --> 01:23:03,300
The, the, you know, the, the delivery by the actors that we that we have to mention like, like, you know, definitely carries this thing in a big bad way home.

1005
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:10,300
The, the stuff for great.

1006
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:12,300
Breaking up a bit.

1007
01:23:12,300 --> 01:23:21,300
Stunts are great.

1008
01:23:21,300 --> 01:23:29,300
The stuff for great I don't know if we mentioned like, you know, there was some movies that they were biting off of.

1009
01:23:29,300 --> 01:23:50,300
But, you know, I don't know if we mentioned that that it felt definitely like kind of a blade. There was blade as qualities to that, you know, like, to Brandon statement of just because that was there does not mean that it that it wasn't fun to do.

1010
01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:52,300
Yeah, and fun to watch.

1011
01:23:52,300 --> 01:24:01,300
But overall like you know I was, I was entertained. And like I had a good time with it.

1012
01:24:01,300 --> 01:24:06,300
So I mean I'm going to give it, I'm going to give it like a 70.

1013
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:18,300
Like, like, like, just, just, just, just above bad, or just above like, you know, like, okay.

1014
01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:23,300
Because, because I mean like it was fun throughout.

1015
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:34,300
But yeah, yeah, I think it's 70s is right where I want to land. Nice, right on brandy James. No, you go first. Okay, I'll go for it. I'll, I'll go after.

1016
01:24:34,300 --> 01:24:52,300
Danny, I had fun watching this movie. The performances for sure elevated as Danny said those Cape Econ sail helming. The thing went a really long way.

1017
01:24:52,300 --> 01:25:15,300
And Bill Nye and Michael Sheen being being who they are and really coming to play and having fun with it and being willing to add some character and some personality and some color to an otherwise pretty stark film brought this movie to another level in

1018
01:25:15,300 --> 01:25:27,300
for them in particular because I'm not sure with all the other factors if I would have enjoyed it as as much. But the other things I did enjoy were the action for sure.

1019
01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:39,300
And the lore surprised me how much I got invested in it, particularly Lucien's whole backstory and everything because I was somewhat familiar with it.

1020
01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:45,300
Having seen rise of the Lakers.

1021
01:25:45,300 --> 01:26:13,300
I liked how it surprised me and I was worried that I was really going to be more on the just this is stupid side, not like this is stupid. Awesome. Like this. This is fun action and it is done in a way that's not too self serious. If anything, it's, it's so self serious that it by I buy into it as well.

1022
01:26:13,300 --> 01:26:23,300
Yeah, and some other performances that weren't great. But, you know, we're a serviceable enough I guess with Craven and Scott Speedman.

1023
01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:34,300
The matrix aesthetic and everything like brings me back and I think it's totally fine that it was borrowing so much from it, because it.

1024
01:26:34,300 --> 01:26:39,300
It had a clear idea in mind of what it wanted to do.

1025
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:52,300
I think it's just tighten up those screws a little bit on some of the scenes, namely like the last 20 minutes or so in that in that super fight I thought were extenuated a little too long.

1026
01:26:52,300 --> 01:27:10,300
I would have something that would even be higher for me but for today it will be yeah right there with Danny I'll do a 72. I think it's it's a super solid fun popcorn movie about vampires and likens and werewolves fighting each other man like if you know that going into it like.

1027
01:27:10,300 --> 01:27:23,300
And if you yeah you're like oh and that doesn't sound good to me then yeah go watch something else but like if that intrigues you enough like you get what you get what you paid for you get vampires and werewolves fighting each other baby.

1028
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:36,300
And then like this whole backstory about why they're doing it which I don't know I thought it paid off pretty well and then a hybrid thing that was like a kicking the stone forward of the mythology of vampires werewolves of like, I don't know.

1029
01:27:36,300 --> 01:27:52,300
That's what alien predator predator did right at the end to except you don't get really see that alien predator I didn't really see Requiem but yeah 72 fun time excited for evolution I'm excited to see where the Lord takes us next.

1030
01:27:52,300 --> 01:27:55,300
Nice, nice.

1031
01:27:55,300 --> 01:28:07,300
Yeah, so I don't know it's probably unsurprising given the way that I've commented on this movie already but I think this movie could have been really silly and stupid and it ends up actually being pretty interesting.

1032
01:28:07,300 --> 01:28:25,300
And I want to give credit where credit is due that I think the world building in this first movie nails a lot of what needs to happen for you to be interested in what is going to happen in the second movie as opposed to just being lackluster or not thought out, or yeah just undercooked,

1033
01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:49,300
and there are some very overcooked things in this and I would much rather a well done pizza than a raw pizza so yeah I think this movie is great for what it is like on honestly to finish my review similarly to James's like, if you know you're going into this movie with the

1034
01:28:49,300 --> 01:29:07,300
understanding that this is a movie about vampires versus werewolves, like it gives you exactly that and then excites you in new lore that it created for those characters so yeah I think this movie does well for what it's trying to do and I'm going to give this movie an 82%

1035
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:19,300
Wow! Nice! Coming from the brandini man. Hell yeah. I'm curious to see when it shakes out when we do these next couple movies, I reserve the right to re-review this one. I'm going to go ahead and say it now.

1036
01:29:19,300 --> 01:29:43,300
Maybe as I go through the series new things will come to light as well but we'll see what happens. I'm happy with that score, I'm happy that we're all fresh boys on Underworld and as I've said before, fresh boys! Fresh boys! Fresh boys! We're fresh boys today! Watch out! Watch out we're fresh boys!

1037
01:29:43,300 --> 01:30:09,300
So we're moving on now. Underworld Evolution 2006 came out three years later. Went to a 17% for the critics, they hate it even more than the 31% for the first one and then from a 79% for the first one in the audience to a 72% from the audience for Underworld Evolution.

1038
01:30:09,300 --> 01:30:13,300
A little synopsis here.

1039
01:30:39,300 --> 01:30:51,300
We hope you join us on the continuation of the Underworld series. Danny, thank you so much for stopping by. Appreciate it all the time, every time.

1040
01:30:51,300 --> 01:30:58,300
Creator of the Polarized Kingdom, Polar Daddy is presiding.

1041
01:30:58,300 --> 01:31:01,300
Thank you so much for having me.

1042
01:31:01,300 --> 01:31:15,300
Ah, pleasure man. Thank you for coming on. Yeah man, we appreciate your time and energy put into all of our past episodes as well and always a fun conversation to be had whether we're recording it or not.

1043
01:31:15,300 --> 01:31:20,300
So I'm glad we got this one on wax.

1044
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:32,300
If you guys care to watch us live or on twitch.tv slash polarize pod when we do record and send us or yeah rate review subscribe on Apple podcasts or anywhere else you are.

1045
01:31:32,300 --> 01:31:36,300
That would be super awesome.

1046
01:31:36,300 --> 01:31:50,300
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