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Welcome everybody to the Polarize Podcast, a podcast about polarizing movies, polarizing

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in the sense of Rotten Tomatoes scores. Sometimes critics love it and audience hate it or vice

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versa. Those are the movies that we talk about on this pod. And today we are talking about

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because of spooky season. We are talking about The Ring, the American version of it, the

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Gore Verbinski directed 2002. Get ready, get ready for some spooky stuff. Spooky naughty.

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The scores for this are 71 critics, 48% audience. Kind of interesting. It is not going to just

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be me, Brandon, talking this throughout this time. Thank God. I would like to just get

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right into it and I'm going to introduce my co-host. We also refer to him as the forever

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cast Mr. James Lindsay. How the hell are you? Hello, I am back in the Polarize Kingdom.

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I invited myself right on back in for another great episode in the theme of spooky season.

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How are you? How the hell are you, Brandon? Not doing great, by the way. I am doing fine.

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I'm doing fine. I'm pretty, yeah, pretty jazzed to talk about this movie because I have a

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lot to say about it. So overall, I'm doing fine. You know, fall is really setting in

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and I'm feeling it. You know, it's getting cooler outside, you know, and biving more

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in soups. I'm more soups lately, you know. You're a big French onion guy. I am a huge

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French guy. Enormous French. Oh, we've I think we've talked to Blake. Yeah, probably on the

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spot. Yeah, I can't remember which episode it was, but we got really in the soup. It's

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not really necessarily spooky season. It's more like soupy season. Yeah, you can say

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that. Wow. Wow, James. That was good. I like that. You're a soupy guy. You're saucy. You're

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saucy. What's going on? Oh, what's going on with me? Oh, I guess I've I've got myself

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a little espresso here. It's espresso season for me. Oh, it's a Saturday night. I'm getting

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crazy by having espresso at nighttime. Yeah, that's crazy. I'm rebelling. I'm rebelling.

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Rebelling is how you look at it. Okay. What are you rebelling against exactly? The rules

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Brandon. The rules say no caffeine when the sun's going down. What are you doing? I didn't

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know that that was a rule. I guess maybe an implied rule, but I didn't know that was a

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rule. Okay. Well, God, what a rule breaker. I need something to rebel against right now.

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And that's how that's how I'm doing. That's how I'm doing it. It's trick or treat season.

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It's naughty season. I got to find my small ways. Wow. Yeah, you are being a little rapscallion.

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Yeah, you're not naughty Nellie over there. We're gonna have to call the police on you.

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Good luck with that. Maybe I'll put a little trick or a little tree in my trick, which

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is the espresso and some ice cream or something. Maybe not. Maybe not today. But next week

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live on air. It's happening for the for the auditor audio medium. I'll be doing a cooking

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show. Yeah. Do they have any pod? They probably do. They have probably have podcasts that

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are like cooking shows and they just guide you through. I wonder your ears. Okay. Now

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you hear that sizzling. Ooh, okay. So that's what that is. Oh my god. I have no idea. That

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would be something that I'm going to check out after this because yeah, I off the rip.

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You're like, well podcast and cooking. I don't know if they would go together, but now this

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idea of ASMR being tied into it. Yeah, it's pretty. I mean, maybe you do the soup cast.

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Ah, yes. That that'll chestnut. I've been talking about that for years. Just trying

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to get that that soup soup cast platform. Yes, it's polarized polarizing movies is the first

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step, but the final final form. Yeah, it's your your fully evolved soup soup soup king.

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The soup game. Yeah. So I'm the soup king. Let that be known. Put that down on the record.

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I go by many names and soup king is not one of them. Mr. Soupy or we do polarizing soups.

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I think clam clam chowder is the polarizing soup on this on this podcast because I am

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a fan, which you are not. I am not. I am a fan of the Manhattan variety, but I am not

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a fan of the New England variety. Yeah, because I don't think cream or milk and shellfish

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go together. It's not something I feel like are two things that work well together. Yeah,

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I just I had logic goes out the window when it just goes in my mouth because it tastes

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so good when you get a good one. I would get this one man. I would write that down. Logic

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goes out the window when I get this in my mouth. Yeah, the clam chowder. Whoa. As Sean

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Connery might say, a clam chowder. Oh, yeah, that and yeah, but you get like some extra

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like scoop of seafood right on top. I've gone to places that do that. So good. Big like

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so there's just so much extra like crab and and stuff on top. It's like really kid. OK,

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I'm not going to convince you. I'm not going to convince you. I'm just crab. I do. And

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lobster. I do like it a bit. It's the it's the it's the clams and the oysters that I'm

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not a fan of. OK, so I do prefer like a raw oyster over like a baked oyster. OK, can't

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say I've had many, but I enjoy a raw oyster. Love a fucking like big thing clams, though,

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with garlic and butter. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm I'm I'm a plant. Yeah. Oh, some crusty

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bread. Dip it into some. Yeah, the butter sauce. Oh, it's good. That's good stuff. But

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you know what? This is not soup cast. This is polarized. And we're talking about movies

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trying to launch it for you, man. I'm trying to help you. We'll get a launch one day. I

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love I love the help. I love the help. But speaking of help to help us talk about this

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movie, we have now a guest that's really kind of rising in the appearance numbers, I would

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say. He was just recently on an episode and we're glad to have him back. Welcome, Chip.

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Hey, Chip, how's it going? Good, fellas. Thanks for having me. By the way, fellow soupster

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as well as caffeine enthusiast over here. So I'm loving the direction of this. We need

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to have a spin off series where we talk about either or. You guys hot liquids in general.

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Yeah, yeah. Hot or not, you know. Right. Hello out of here, Gazpacho. That's that's a that's

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a that is a polarizing suit. That is a polarizing suit. Yeah, for sure. That's what you love.

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Normal humans hate it. Yeah. Because I mean, Gazpacho just like not like cold noodle ramen

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is yeah, I don't know. It's a it's a unique thing. But I get it. Like especially because

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Gazpacho I think is Spanish. So when it's hot, really hot outside, you know, having

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a cold soup is nice, just like having cold noodles when it's hot outside. Oh, it's just

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not a common practice. Korean Korean cold noodles. I forget the Korean name, but the

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Korean cold noodles with some mustard and the radish and oh my God, that's just so

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good. And like in the metal bowl or stays nice and cool and the crushed up ice. It's

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just it hits so well. Noodles are really good. Just cold noodles in general when it's on

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it. It's good stuff. Is that the thing for me to the limit of my knowledge on cold soups?

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Maybe there should maybe there's there's got to be more out there. There's got to be more

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cold soups. Let us know out there. Hit us up and polarize the pot at gmail.com. Cold

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soups. Love to hear about lukewarm just ramen straight out of the pack and just eat it dry.

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Well, I don't know what category that is. But that's polarizing, I'd say. But that's

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like maybe you're not the only person that I would do that though. That is a that is

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a I don't know. I would see at school a lot of people doing that and coming up with creative

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ways of eating ramen. It's like chips. Right. Just like you. Just like other chips like

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you. Yeah. Yeah. You're the authority on chips. Yeah, that's fair. I'm experienced by default.

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Right. Speaking of experience, let's talk about the experience with this movie. Or Jimmy

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Hendrix either or we can get put a pin in that and get back to the Jimmy Hendrix experience

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as well. Is there other bands that have experience in the name? Oh, there's gotta be right. There's

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gotta be. Oh, it's OK. We get back to my original question experiences with this movie, be it

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the Japanese original or this one in particular. I had never seen the remake or the original.

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This was totally new for me. You never seen this movie? I have not. No. Really? Oh, I

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have. Wow. Missed out. Wow. You missed out. I've seen it when you were 14 years old. 13,

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14. I'm surprised you've seen scary because I know you're a big scary movie three fan.

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We've seen that movie a bunch of times and to know that you know the parody so well. I

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never seen the original tape. I mean, and the reason being is if you look at the box

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office success of this movie, I mean, my God, this was a huge hit. This was a cultural phenomenon.

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Same with 8 Mile, which I just seen recently for this podcast as well. And I'd seen scary

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movie three a lot as well. And I knew all those references, but I just had never ever

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gone back to the original. It's funny. It is funny how that works. I mean, yeah, fundamentally,

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the concept is easy to understand. And yeah, I don't know. Not having seen the movie. You

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get it, you know, especially because a lot of this movie holds from other movies, the

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original as well. But like Poltergeist, for example, has a you know, it's a huge influence

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on this. I don't know. James, you've seen Poltergeist. I don't have you seen that movie?

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I've not seen Poltergeist. Oh, you haven't. Okay. But that's another one where like, I

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know the references as well, like the they're here sort of shit like I know on the television

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and I've and I've seen probably a Treehouse of Horror that's used it or something, which

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I was watching a couple of those the other day. And that was fun. The Shining one of

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Treehouse of Horror is is a classic. Top tier. He doesn't have beer or TV. So he goes crazy.

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It's like no beer, no TV, make Homer go crazy. And he keeps he's like, no beer, no TV, make

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Homer and then he pauses and Marge is like, go crazy. He's like, don't mind if I do. Oh,

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that is great. Yeah, this is like a parody or a great way into this kind of stuff. And

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especially like older scary movies that were I wasn't allowed to see at a certain time

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and maybe was too baby to even want to. But I will say for my to get into my experience

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with this movie, at least at first was it was a great way in for someone for like a

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I don't know, I was probably 13 or so. Somebody who hadn't really seen very many spooky movies.

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And it was PG 13. And it was like a great baby's first horror movie where there's not

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a lot of violence or anything. It's a lot more about just the idea of it. That's effective

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at getting into your your mind at that age. And yeah, the marketing campaign, we just

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watched the trailer, I feel like was and reading up on a little bit, they would pass around

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like the tape at all the screenings and stuff and have put the tape on like people seats

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and shit. So like, that word of mouth, I think was very effective at getting in people's

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minds. And yeah, like, I think they would run the tape, there was a period of time for

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like a month or so they would just run the tape and not tell anybody what it is. And

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just have that tape be the piece of like the kind of a Cloverfield thing, I guess I remember

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when that was coming like that marketing was interesting about like, just putting something

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in your mind of a spooky thing that's out there, maybe Blair Witch as well. But yeah,

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this movie was like the most successful horror movie until damn it was the one that it's

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the original or like not the original Tim Curry, but the 2017 new it I think is like

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the new most successful horror movie. But this one really like, yeah, like 200 something

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million dollars or something like that. And this one did. Yeah, yeah. And it was like

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the most successful horror movie at the at the time until this most recent it it or it's

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aeration. But I think for me, that was something that I could handle. And it made me just scared

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enough. But also, yeah, like for somebody who did watch a lot of TV, it was it was getting

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at that a little bit of just like, oh, something could just pop out of it and, and get you.

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But did you have anything? Any sort of history with this movie chip? I assume you'd seen

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it before. Yeah, so I was here. Who's and I like, it's very hit or miss, right. So I'm

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big on the paranormal stuff. I love like the supernatural trailers. Really gory stuff.

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I don't really care for it's almost like, I mean, it's more like a comedy film than

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it is a horror film. But I remember watching this movie at a pretty young age. And I remember

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exactly what you're saying. There'd be commercials that would run for when the movie was coming

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out. And it would just be like that static. It would just pop on, right? You almost felt

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like your TV was going bad. And that they've run that marketing campaign. I remember seeing

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it is a I think it was about 1415 when I saw it. And it was one of the first films that

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was really like jump scare. Right? I was like, Oh, this is like, good, I could watch this.

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And just remember being like terrified of that little girl, right? It's one of those

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things where you just like it's an image you can't get out of your brain. And I think they

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mentioned it movie. It's like it's burned inside of you, right? And they kind of hammer

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on that when they're going through it. And then I watched it again in college. We did

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like a for the month of October, we watched a para movie every night for the entirety

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that I think it's back from our drug TV did like a Halloween days of horror or something.

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So there's a different them and watching it again a little bit older, kind of still had

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that same feeling watching it last night. It was nice because I hadn't seen it maybe

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15 years or so. And being real brought up and the jumpscare still there. Like even though

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you're expecting it, it still gets you. I think that's good. I like the film in that

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regard. You know, it understands the test of time a little bit.

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I think it's a very effective idea. And I had for someone hadn't seen like their original

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Japanese version, I can see why a studio would want somewhat of like, I don't know, like

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a safe bet, but it's been like tried and proven in a different for a different audience. And

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I think it was maybe a book or some short story before that. And to have a know like

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some version of reaction to see the Japanese version, which I'm I'd imagine people might

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even would prefer that version even more. As well, a lot of people out there to take

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it over and for American audiences isn't probably wasn't the first time and definitely

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not the last because I know there's other movies, not even just horror movies that are

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given that same treatment, like, let the right one in and then they didn't let me in and

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both are great movies, but they are very similar. And it's interesting to see someone just be

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like, Oh, that's good idea. Let's we want to do that as well. Like another round the

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Mads Mikkelsen movie, I think Leo's come doing a version of that too. And I think, yeah,

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it probably behoove me to go back and check out the original but watching this just last

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night at nighttime and everything, it definitely had those moments that hit as a child. We're

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still there. There was some other stuff that I had forgotten, as well as the visual look

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of the movie that we definitely should get into as well. That was like, very of its time.

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Naturally, so but I know Brandon, you said you had a lot to say about this movie. So

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I don't know if there's anything that you wanted to you want to start with.

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Yeah, what I what I would want to start with is what, you know, and what we're talking

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about is it is a really interesting time in film where the access to like foreign movies

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is not as readily available as it is today. So I feel like that movies like this happen

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more often around this time where I could imagine a lot of people haven't seen the original

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rain when it came out. And this allowed American audiences to get to experience what the you

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know what this movie, you know, the original movie is about and, you know, bring into a

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broader audience, which I just ultimately find really interesting because it's we just

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come in such a long way from that where, you know, you brought up what is it last round?

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What is it? No, what's it called? Another round. Another round. Just great movie. Great movie.

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Amazing movie. Everybody go see it. But yeah, now that getting remade as like an, you know,

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the American remake of it, I don't know, seems kind of weird in this day and age because

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why not just go watch the original? It's like going to be on Netflix or wherever it is,

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maybe. And to see it remade like in an American studio system in an American way. Yeah, now

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just seems kind of passe and weird. So soon after, too, it seemed like the movie had become

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popular in a worldwide sense. So it's like, yeah, I mean, how much better can you really

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do? I guess it's American Hollywood and all that stuff. But it also like it's very successful

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for what it is. And you're right after you're immediately jumping onto it, which I think

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was yeah. And I think the sixth sense was kind of a big deal right before this movie.

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And I guess that was something they were seeking is kind of like a thriller, slow burn kind

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of element of sort of movie that they really push the marketing for and everything. But

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in the found footage, I'm sure before that, there is a found footage element to this,

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at least like a found video tape, you know, like it's not the structure of the movie isn't

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that that way. But I don't know, just finding finding the tape sort of thing and watching

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it has an element to that, too. It's like of the found footage. But yeah, I think that's

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a great point about the adaptation and the process thereof, because that has always fascinated

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me through the whole history of film and everything. And what we find important as a culture can

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be represented a lot of times through how we what we choose to adapt. And yeah, jumping

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onto something that you know is successful seems like unfortunately, like too safe of

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a bet sometimes where it's like, oh, why don't you just do something? Do something different?

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Yeah, absolutely. You know, not that I do like this movie, but yeah, that other movie

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already exists. And then they did The Grudge, which I know was, I feel like wouldn't have

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existed without this one, too, which was given the same treatment. I haven't seen either

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of those movies, but this was a big deal at the time. So it's cool to know that, like,

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yeah, even if you hadn't seen it, Brandon, like you knew of it for sure.

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Absolutely. Yeah, it was part of the cultural zeitgeist and it was in scary movies or scary

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movie three. And yeah, something you just brought up that I would love to start getting

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into is the cultural differences making defining what the. Like which like culture defining

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what the differences in those, I guess, is how I would describe it of like the direction

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of the movie or what it's trying to say or how much it gets into certain themes and those

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differences, because it's always I don't know. I generally have a I would say that the American

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version of a foreign film ends up like. Softening the edges and making it just more palatable

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and more populist. And it ends up losing the like biting like interesting focus or or yeah,

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like the. It takes the idea and stands off a lot of what makes the original more interesting.

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The only exception. No, continue. Go for it. No, I was just not like this is just an exception.

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And I think your rule is widely. Yeah, this would be the exception to that rule you place,

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which I think is the majority of it. But a movie with love is Girl, the Dragon Tattoo

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just came to my mind where that's like the opposite. But, you know, the majority of it

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is exactly what you say, I think, too. Or it's like they take the budget and make it

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bigger, but not necessarily the quality better all the time. Absolutely. Yeah, which has

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its benefits, because I mean, a thing that I will say that. Is makes this movie, I guess

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it's better is because of its budget, the special effects are better because I've seen

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a lot of clips of the original one, even though I haven't fully seen the movie and it's night

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and day difference between the special effects, you know, between the Japanese and the American.

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And and to the girl with the dragon tattoo point is like that movie is really successful

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because David Fincher is making it. And this in my mind isn't successful because Gore Verbinski

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is making it. And this is the guy who is. Coming on the scene as a populist director,

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I mean, the guy made what is it? Mouse hunt, you know, goes on after this, the next movie

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after this is I do like that. But you know, he's he's already starting to be in this pocket,

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which he then, you know, defines his career as being. You know, the Pirates of the Caribbean

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guy, bigger movies and utilizing special effects well. And yeah, I would say this movie is

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a little bit stronger and it's special effects, but it stands off a lot of what now I understand

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makes the original so much more interesting. You know, I think it is it is in a way made

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for mainstream audiences. It is a horror movie that is marketed and made for. Kids my age

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at that time, like PG-13, like I was very much that that demographic at that time, and

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I think it hit me perfectly. And looking at it now, those things just become more clear

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where it's just it's so it's just mystical at that time. And in your mind, the movie

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and your I don't know. I feel like my imagination would just run wild on top of everything that

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I'm seeing in the movie. I'm just picturing all this other stuff inside my mind when I'm

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going to sleep at night of the girl like crying, climbing up my bed or some shit like that.

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You know, you just you extrapolate all the information and add so much more to it than

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that's actually there. And that's and those are some of the best horror movies as well.

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the score of the film are very like minimal. Right. So there's not a ton of bumpy action,

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right? There's not a lot of long leads. You're kind of focused in on what's going on. It's

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very subtle. It's very I want I want to say losing the word here. I'm thinking like very

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quick shots of what's going on. But it's it's done in such a way to where it allows you

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to focus on whatever the scene is at hand and really absorb it. Right. And I think that's

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part of what you're talking about is when you're going to sleep. Now you're thinking

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about that one scene. Right. Or, you know, whether it's the centipede or something popping

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out of you or the nosebleed or whatever it may be, you are so drawn into what's going

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on in that one moment that you kind of replay it. And then, of course, the music is not

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overbearing in it. Right. It's just very subtle. It kind of lures you in. You're really focused

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on it. Doesn't take away from the action. I think a lot of that is what makes you continue

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to replay it over and over in your head when you're 13, 14 years old. Right. I love the

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idea of a countdown as well. And as far as simplifying things that could get too complicated

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with some of the rules of the tape and all the little signifiers of what what happened

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happened like, you know, there's going to be these little vignettes and visions or whatever

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in each of the days. And as something big happens, it'll jump cut to Saturday. This

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many days left. And that structurally in a horror movie can just really help it out to

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simplify the and hone what you should be focused on and not to not get too bogged down with

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the rules, which that was another thing I kind of forgot about was the lore of everything

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with with the tape and everything. And I mean, I had I knew there was the well and the ring

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was looking up and everything, but I forgot exactly how everything went down. And that's

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revealed near near the end of course. But her wanting to seek that information and find

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the answers and know that she was she has watched the tape and she has her own ticking

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clock for herself is something that not even necessarily in horror movies, but in in other

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movies as well as having that amount of time that you know is left can help you as an audience

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member kind of pace it out in your mind about where things are headed and how much time

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you have left and like drag me to hell is a more is a much darker, campier, you know,

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version of that or and there's plenty of other ones, but it's it I like I like that our final

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destination isn't my favorite stuff, but it's it's some of it can be good where it's just,

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you know, circumstance and time is your enemy rather than a monster that's always lurking

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around the corner and or whatever. And you just know in seven days that it's coming,

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which yeah, and so this one Yeah, I mean, at the beginning, if we want to roll through

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it a little bit is a is like, it's just such a stereotypical kind of and I say it and it

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really is because kind of opening because scream essentially does this with the phone

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call and there's a phone call on this and everything too, where it's been kind of dunked

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on and kind of made fun of of like what oh, like, to, you know, high schoolers like high

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school girls like hanging out at a at a house, maybe it's just drew Barrymore and scream

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or something where they're by themselves and they get a phone call. It's like, scream is

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already making fun of scary movies with that and to know that this movie starts that way

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to just kind of made me chuckle a little bit this time having seen more and seen me parodies

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of it. That's where like, I'm, I'm not a kid watching a scary movie for the first time.

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And so I got that for it's like, Oh, no, they're all by themselves. Oh, it's so scary to phone

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call. But now I'm like, Oh, I've seen seen this one scene seen 1000 times. But I like

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the the story that she tells right off the bat. I like that it's two separate characters

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that aren't our main ones and that, you know, you check in with the other character that

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still lives later on in the in the story and everything. It's it's a nice way in for a

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movie that doesn't have a lot of the grotesque stuff with someone getting killed right there

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in front of you. And this is like at least a sample of that like Jaws or something where

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you can at least get someone getting off by the shark before you can have a lot of the

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tension and dread leading to the when the next attack is going to be. I thought yeah,

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I thought this was overall pretty effective. What did you guys think of the opening?

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I love that formula, right? Like here's two high school girls at home alone and they're

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having a good time. They're goofing off, right? And then all of a sudden, you know, they almost

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feel guilty like they shouldn't be doing what they're doing. And now somebody's calling

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them. Oh my God. You know what's happening? Oh, you want to drink espresso? It's nighttime.

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I don't know. Exactly. Yeah. You know, just completely bucking the norm. But it's something

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you see in like, I don't know, 90% of scary movies, especially at that time. Right. And

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I love, I love that they follow that formula. And then the way they kind of build off of

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that is still following the formula up until a certain point. Right. So then they go to

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the funeral, which I love. They mock that funeral and in scary movie. Right. I think

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that's so funny. I was just remembering when you were, you were talking about scary movie.

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I was like, Oh yeah, the funeral. But they go into that and then the story really takes

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a turn. Right. No, now we find out that the protagonist is a reporter. He's going to go

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on her own journey to try to figure things out. So then it deviates a little bit from

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the standard cookie cutter type film. But what it's done at that point is it's lured

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you in and you're like, okay, it's following the normal path. Oh, there's a twist. Okay.

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Now, now I'm a little bit more interested. Sure. I think it's effective to start off

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the movie with teenagers who are, would be, have a predilection to, you know, watching

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something they shouldn't. So that, that makes sense to me. And I like that. And it does

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well to like them explaining the rules of it. I think that's like a, that's a natural

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conversation that, you know, two high schoolers having a sleepover would be like, Oh, have

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you heard about this thing? And then explain to us the audience, these rules. It's just

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the dialogue during that is just so poopy doopy snoopy where they're talking about like,

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you know, how TV waves are destroying our brain and getting into all of these conspiracies

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and whatnot. And it's like so unnecessary to have a lot of that stuff in this where

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they're, you know, speaking to the things that people were talking about at the time

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and making it so contemporary and the dialogue and feeling the need to be like teens are

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so up on these issues about how electronics are affecting them and whatnot. But yeah,

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I nonetheless, like it's the movie does well to have, I think, kids or teenagers explain

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the plot of it, because I think if adults were explaining it, they would just put so

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much more into it and be like trying to figure it out or would be so like not believing it

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and so on and so forth. So and also to James, your point is like, there are movies that

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set up tropes that you still can watch today. And it's effective and great, you know, but

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this one does seem dated now. And maybe it's just a casualty of how popular it is. But

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I would argue it's, it's kind of because of like, two high school girls and school girl

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outfits, you know, like being caddy to each other, like all of that stuff just hasn't

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really aged. And that's what I would say is like, it's not so much that trope, but it's

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I find it in the dialogue.

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Well, technology definitely aged that too, right? So like, nowadays, you can never get

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along, never get away with that, because nobody would have a tape player to ever even watch

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it, right? So that is definitely going to be the case in that. But you're absolutely

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right. I mean, if you think about kids that age now, they're probably not doing that.

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They're probably, you know, they're not sitting around, they're not watching TV, not telling

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a ghost story. I don't know. I mean, I'm not a kid of that age. But yeah, I mean, the median

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has changed for sure. Because like a great example of an updated version of this would

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be Talk to Me, where it shows how like social media is involved in this thing into this.

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Like what you would consider watching a video tape being haunted for seven days, whatever

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that concept would be the idea of urban legends, for example. It does it incredibly well. A

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lot of it, I think the effectiveness of Talk to Me in comparison to this is it's not really

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focused on, it's not really focused on like, critiquing it, it just simply is just showing

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it like somebody going through the horror of that experience, and just really gets right

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into how the gravity of the situation, which I mean, does as well. But to transition out

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at the beginning of it, I kind of wanted a little bit more of her Amber Tamblyn's connection

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to the family, because that ends up kind of being a big part of why the sun is so disturbed.

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And then also to why Naomi Watts is so invested in this. I know that her mother, once they

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go to the funeral, explains it. But that's also kind of a weird conversation as well,

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because she's so like combative against Naomi Watts, but then wants her to learn more from

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her friends about it. And then I made the joke when we were watching it, but also to

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all of these kids are like 26 years old, and they're supposed to be in high school. Like

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it's just very apparent that like, these people are in high school. Are you fucking kidding

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me? Like they all look like they're like, what are they? They're smoking cigarettes.

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To go back to what you said, some of what you said earlier, it's like, it does seem

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like the more obvious choice to make it develop into a story about like an ensemble of high

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schoolers that are peer pressuring, peer pressuring each other at school to watch this tape. And

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it is like, it is beholden, it must be to the original story about a mother and her

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son, because I'd imagine that's what the Japanese story is about. And I met and I would think

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that I just wanted to do that again. And I know there's, I've seen the ring too, way

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back when, and I don't remember a lot of it. Rings, I'm sure deals a lot more, the new

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one probably does a lot more with like social media and the internet and whatnot. Because

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you see a little bit of what the internet looks like in this movie at the time. But

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it is surprising to me, like you don't get that scene of like people at a party sitting

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around watching this movie, you hear about it, but that seems like such an obvious, effective

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way to use this movie about a video tape that can pass around at a high school and everything

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that happens before this actual movie does seem like its own thing. And I'm surprised

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they haven't tried to harvest that for anything. And maybe there's some version out there of

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that. But I must say that is like a different way, different way into this movie. Yeah,

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I mean, that's a fair one. It's just not, I like what you're saying with talk to me.

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You brought up talk to me. Was the peer pressure of that of like, oh, we're all doing it. And

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just to see, you know, and how that can ravage like a group, like a plague or something,

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like what does a Brian Cox says or like their, the sadness becomes infect, infects everybody,

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whatever he fucking says, which is like an interesting, an interesting idea. Well, because

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it's just kind of blown over, you know, it's like, and you don't have to spend too much

379
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time on it. But like, that is an interesting idea to have like, trauma and sadness of someone

380
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like, then rather it be a ghost. It's yeah, this curse video tape that's represented like

381
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a symbol of, of that, that's getting spread to people can get definitely too hokey once

382
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you get into the rules. But yeah, I just, that was my point about like, it's not, it's

383
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not an ensemble thing. It's goes into the mother and son and their connection to the

384
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first victim. And I do like, this is the other avenue they went down and they could have

385
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done with a high schooler, but I always questioned the means of a high schooler to try to discover

386
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all this stuff. But to have her, that's her profession. Her job is to be investigative

387
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journalist and to seek out these sources. And she's got her, the father of her child

388
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that's helping her and everything too. And how she goes about getting all those things

389
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is held up pretty well to me. That was one of my favorite parts of the movie is just

390
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watching her fall, fall elite and stuff like the mystery.

391
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I think the ensemble thing, just real quickly, the thing that really stuck out to me and

392
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maybe I missed it. And if I did, I'm sorry, but they really could have taken the time

393
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to explain because the child has such a strong connection with Anna, the other girl, right?

394
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I think it was Samara. Samara. Well, well, Samara. No, his, his, oh, I'm sorry. Yes.

395
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The girl that dies in the beginning. Her cousin, cousin. Yeah. So he has such a strong

396
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connection. He saw the films like, how does he then get the strong connection with Samara?

397
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Did he see the film too? We don't know. I don't think. Right.

398
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Yeah. Why is the sun so connected in this way is a great question that doesn't have

399
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to be fully answered, but that is an origin of a lot of the things going wrong in the

400
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movie is the sun being very troubled by the, by the ring. So how does he, where's that

401
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connection formed? Is that what you're saying? Right. Yeah. And he was a parent, apparently

402
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very close to his cousin, you know, in the beginning of the movie, he's talking about

403
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:15,240
it. So maybe he got the film through her classmates. They watched it. Maybe he was hanging out

404
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:19,240
with her or something. I don't know, but we don't never really get any kind of backstory

405
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:22,840
on that. And I think it's great point to your point James, like it very well could have

406
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been solved by having, I don't know, a five minutes fiend of he got it from the party

407
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and then watched it. You know? Yeah. I mean, you guys have brought up my biggest

408
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contentions with this movie and why overall spoiler alert, I just don't think this movie's

409
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all that successful, at least in capturing my understanding, what I understand to be

410
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what is so compelling about the original, which is this idea of a modern woman being

411
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a single mother and then struggling with that because she's working a job. And then also

412
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too, she has a child out of wedlock, which is a modern thing as well. And then having

413
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a passing on her, her, it's almost like a guilt in her frustrations with the father

414
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not being in the picture onto the child. And then on top of that, the child is unique,

415
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right? Which is the connection that he has with Samara is both of them are just very

416
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unique children that have a lot of issues that the parents don't know how to deal with.

417
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And I would love for this movie to focus so much more on setting up how she's working

418
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:45,160
too much. She's choosing to work too much because she's so afraid of her child because

419
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she just doesn't feel like she's capable of raising somebody that needs so much help and

420
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needs so much attention. And then on top of that being so frustrated with the father not

421
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stepping up and not being in the picture and all of that. And this movie doesn't show like

422
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it's missing stuff where it needs more of her and the child and really trying to hone

423
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,800
in on the connection between, you know, Naomi Watts's character being very similar to Samara's

424
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:28,000
mother where, you know, she, I think they say it just explicitly in the movie of like,

425
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I didn't want you and now that I have you, you're like causing all of my pain and being

426
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:42,400
such a huge issue in my life. And I'm so fucking mad at you that I want to kill you because

427
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,600
if you weren't here, then maybe my life would be better. And then wrestling with all of

428
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,720
that guilt and trying to reconcile with that. But this movie doesn't do that. And it just

429
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:59,680
goes on very quickly into the investigative side of things, which also too I found to

430
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,120
be also ineffective because she's there's never seen where she's like, let me put a

431
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tape recorder on a desk. Let me interview some people, you know, let me bring a camera

432
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person along and start setting up like this being a story that I'm following. You just

433
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almost not because of her job at all, just because of the murder of her custom. She just

434
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:29,720
goes on this journey to solve this problem. And there's never any of this, like, now you're

435
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too wrapped up in the story. And now you're not paying attention to your son even more.

436
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One thing I know this is skipping ahead, but it's to prove the point is I thought it was

437
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:49,160
so fucking nuts that after, you know, her coming to realize like loving your child unconditionally,

438
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:55,760
they go back home and the child is like by himself laying on a floor. There's not there's

439
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:04,800
at home alone, home alone, just laying down on the floor in the living room. And then

440
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,400
they come and pick them up. And it's it can you help me with this mystery? I'm going to

441
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:16,680
call you and get some details real quick from you. Absolutely. I will say she does use the

442
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,600
voice recorder and the mental health institution. That's all I'll say. But I do agree with a

443
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,840
lot a lot of what you're saying. But she there I was like, there is a voice recorder at one

444
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:34,880
part. That might be the only term. I mean, and the thing is, you see that light house.

445
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:42,800
Oh, my God. That was a big track. Yeah, the whole track that lady was like so over. What

446
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:50,800
I can't watch your movie with you. I'd rather be alone. Fine. Geez. Are you done yet? But

447
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:57,920
yeah, so to bring it back so now that she's on this journey of so she's seen the movie

448
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:03,440
now and then now she's trying to figure out how to cure herself. She meets that magician

449
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:09,240
that very he's doing his best. And then yeah, then she and she makes a copy of the tape

450
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:20,040
a big, big, silly, dumb, dumb mistake. Yeah, but then also a good thing, I think, right?

451
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:25,200
Because again, this is, you know, speaking to the end, but the whole thing is, is that

452
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,200
Samara is never going to stop. So you need to just get somebody else to watch the video,

453
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which it really doesn't do well to use that rule of the video well where she is trying

454
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like almost like she needs to find somebody that she feels like is she's going to be OK

455
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:56,280
with morally to pass on this this play, you know, there's the follows rule. Yeah. Which

456
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:03,080
is like just so much better done in that movie and is laid out in such a clear way at the

457
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:10,440
beginning. I mean, I agree. I love it follows. I think it's an incredible movie. Everybody

458
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,560
should go see it. I mean, did you guys get that aspect of the film of like you need to

459
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have like show it to somebody else so that that actually wasn't fully clear. And I guess

460
00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:27,760
that makes a little more sense of like, yeah, how the movie ended because home slice died.

461
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:35,800
But she was able to have an ellipsis to her story. And that definitely makes sense. And

462
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for that rule to be the reason why of like, oh, I can prolong the inevitable inevitable

463
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:51,840
in a way. But some of those some of those rules and the and the lore and everything,

464
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:57,720
while I don't need it to be completely clear, there is it's cool to see a movie like it

465
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follows where you're able to lay it down so clearly and have it be that much more effective

466
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:10,520
because it is so clear and simple and to the point that like you realize there's either

467
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,840
there's like no escaping it because it is the it is so cut and dry of like, yeah, he's

468
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:20,260
boom, like that's all that's all you need to know seven days or or pass it along to

469
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somebody else. But if that is the case, like, yeah, so home slice dies, it goes to her,

470
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:37,480
right? Well, boring man. Or it potentially goes on to his lover who we just glances up,

471
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:43,280
that's kind of like a small. Yeah, there's a small detail that the girl is obviously

472
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younger than Naomi Watts, but they both went to the same college. So there's this connection

473
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where what? Just doing this. Oh, yeah, I'm like spinning out of connection. I apologize.

474
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:02,640
So I didn't hear the original question you asked him. Oh, no worries. I'm reconnected

475
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:08,120
now. I'm sorry. No worries. No, we're just talking about a James had asked. So because

476
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of this whole passing along rule, then who would be next in line after home slices teams

477
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:24,240
described, which is telling about how James feels about that actor in that character.

478
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:29,440
You know, which we were talking about when we were watching it as I agree with you, there's

479
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:40,800
just such a boring milk toast. Yeah, just it's that actor is not giving more. He's just

480
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:46,040
giving exactly what is like bare minimum, just a bare minimum requirement of what's

481
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,720
you know, what's needed. He's like shows up and shows his lines, I guess. Yeah, I want

482
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:56,680
it more like the guy like Lucy Goosey and off the cuff sort of sort of shit. And he

483
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,120
was just very seem safe choices every single time.

484
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:07,360
Crazy to me that he just showed up at the house right right right at the exact time

485
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:13,960
that that guy killed himself. He just there. Right. That didn't track for me. I was like,

486
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,440
how did he get there in that timing? What was he doing at that moment? But that's really

487
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,920
like the only heroic thing he does in the movie. Right. And it's like a fleeting moment.

488
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:31,560
And you're absolutely right. I mean, for as vested as he's going himself to try to be

489
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,840
really doesn't do much in the movie. Other than maybe one. It's all it's all move the

490
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:43,120
plot along. Doesn't she leather bullshit of like finding files? Yeah. I mean, the most

491
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:49,280
emotional he gets is when he's having a conversation with the son in the car. And he right. It's

492
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:54,600
pretty blunt about it. He's like, yeah, I just I am scared of being a dad. I didn't

493
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,480
necessarily want it. I still don't know if I want it and all of that, which even then

494
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:08,880
he just delivers it with just a monotone delivery. Yeah, I'm not sure if I want to be your dad.

495
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:18,160
Yeah, sure. And what that needs is him. OK, so he I'm sure is directed because this is

496
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:26,680
how it should be, is he should feel uncomfortable with that kid because the kid. Probably knows

497
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:34,880
because he's like kind of like telepathic almost, but. From his perspective, the kid

498
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:42,080
doesn't know that he's his dad, and so he should be nervous about a intimate one on

499
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:49,680
one interaction with the kid. And he just delivers it with just a. Yeah, this is exactly

500
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:56,920
how I feel. And then all right, well, on to the next. And it's really does the movie know.

501
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:04,880
Yeah, no favors by the climactic moment of the movie is his death. And you need I don't

502
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:10,600
know. It would be better to care more about him in a way. Or at least have some sort of

503
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:16,560
feeling positive or negative. I think part of what you're getting at, Brandon, is is

504
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:22,760
a thing that I I've thought about as I'm watching that movie and we're talking about like scenes

505
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:29,920
that could have been scenes that didn't need to be there is a big theme of this movie.

506
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,360
The scene with him talking to his child, it just it doesn't serve any point to the movie,

507
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:42,800
right? It's you know, here's here's wasted screen time and then we go to like Barry ride

508
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:48,080
over, right? It's a big deal. He's going to an island. But like what an unnecessary scene

509
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:55,000
where you got the horse, obviously like that was big. A big like what the heck's happening

510
00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:01,360
like from a movie perspective, but it's not necessary. You know, you can talk about the

511
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,400
horses, you can talk about them having the farm, which we can get to. But that particular

512
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:12,880
scene doesn't need to happen. And that leaves so much more room for filling in like these

513
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:20,240
very pivotal plot points that we've been talking about. You're right. And it doesn't contribute

514
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:25,880
anything. It doesn't supply anything than a scare. And I but I saw it's effective at

515
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,140
that for me. I don't know. As a kid, I always thought that was one of the spookiest parts

516
00:55:29,140 --> 00:55:34,920
and the whole connection with the horses and whatever. But it really you're absolutely

517
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,400
right. Like they could have spent that time doing more meaningful things is purely there

518
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:48,000
for another scare. Just plopped and on the way over another scary thing to happen. But

519
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,920
and I like the girls like, Daddy, my horse. And it's like, did she not name the horse

520
00:55:51,920 --> 00:56:01,000
that you like? Daddy, it's Jezebel, not Jezebel. It's like, I wouldn't if my dog was running

521
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,480
like, no, daddy, my dog. You'd be like, no, it's Poncho. I don't know. It seems like a

522
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:14,720
fun dog name. Yeah. Well, Poncho is a good dog. That's a cool name. I like. That's another

523
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:21,680
podcast topic. Cool dog names. Cool dog names. Cool dog names. Cool dog names. What are you

524
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:27,920
talking about? Spike, we're going to get those are pretty cool. But let's make the tier list.

525
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:37,000
I. I. OK, here's my here's my joke is this movie shares a lot of similarities to a view

526
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:43,280
to a kill because it spends way too much time on horses that you don't need to do. It doesn't

527
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,440
really help a whole lot at all. My God, a Chris Jones was in this movie somewhere. I'd

528
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,920
be quite all right with that. As one of the horses, you don't even need to.

529
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:59,080
Yeah, right. Yeah, no, she turned. She she turned from a horse into a human. It's the

530
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:06,120
Lord. John Miller shows up or whatever her name is. Jessica Parker. That was another

531
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:12,560
three names, Sarah. Yeah. Oh, I always make that makes all the horse jokes, right? Yeah.

532
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:19,640
No, then you get to the island and a horse to be seen. Right. And the father has given

533
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:26,400
up on that after the traumatic experiences with the family went through. Right. Still

534
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:31,240
made the point when we were watching it, we had to race horses on an island just saying

535
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:38,600
weird move. I guess. I mean, why? Because I like trans, I guess, transferring him on

536
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:45,200
the ferry. You see, you saw how that worked out. Is that your point? Because otherwise,

537
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,680
I don't know, you get all the fucking you just they just need to graze and, you know,

538
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:57,320
good air out there on the island. They just run around all free, you know, working on

539
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,080
the sea, so working on those fences. He's like, I got to get this fence all done before

540
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:08,080
I kill myself. Yeah. Oh, for what reason? I got so much to do today. And then all of

541
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:14,520
a sudden now I've got more on my plate. Whatever he says. He's he had to spend some time contract,

542
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:21,080
like constructing that whole device to send him into the afterlife with the tape and the

543
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:27,160
electricity all at the same time. I wanted to break that down a little bit. All right.

544
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:32,360
So I got the TV here to connect to this protector. And then this one goes around my neck. You

545
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:41,760
know what? Fuck off. I love that. I mean, yeah, it was actually one of my favorite scenes

546
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:49,000
in the movie. God, I love it. Yeah. Brian comes in with the what was that call like just

547
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:56,040
to like hook? Hey, it's just a hook. Yeah, it's a hey, it's called. Yeah, dude. I just

548
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:01,040
was like, shove it in the hay and you can carry the bail. Hey, that was a scary image

549
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:07,800
of him like just in a house stuck with him in that in that hook and just I don't know.

550
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:13,840
His face is scary to me. Oh, like succession. I was like so scared of him that whole show.

551
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:24,320
He's so very straightforward, very discerning element in his voice. Right. You know, everything

552
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:31,760
he says like on the edge of your seat. Yeah, yeah. Definitely. Yeah. He was a breath of

553
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:40,120
fresh air for me because Naomi Watts is fine. But yeah, a lot of the lot of this movie was

554
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:48,680
lacking more interesting characters, you know, people that were cookie and secrets had things

555
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:55,080
going on because, yeah, I feel like this movie was kind of sparse with that stuff because

556
00:59:55,080 --> 01:00:00,880
it's a lot of just her going through the whole procedure of and then also to the doctor was

557
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:07,280
kind of fun. The doctor was a little back and forth with the patient. It looks good.

558
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:15,720
Yeah. What was up with him? What was the necessary element of adding him there? The kid. So this

559
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:27,120
is the son. Yeah, they're like mentally challenged. Yeah. Oh, right. Right. Right. This to me is

560
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:35,200
like pulls from the original movie because in the original movie, what happens is is

561
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:46,160
the mother has psychic abilities that people find out about and then essentially like cast

562
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:54,240
around. Right. And the whole island that they're on, everybody there is affected by not only

563
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,400
the daughter having these like supernatural abilities, but also the mother as well. So

564
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:05,800
everybody on the island in the original movie has kind of some like thing, you know, they've

565
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:14,200
been affected by the supernatural powers of the daughter and mother. OK. But the origin,

566
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:19,640
I mean, I don't need to know and whatever, but like that, yeah, the origin origin of

567
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:25,000
it all you want to be curious about and maybe permanently curious and never fully answered.

568
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:30,920
But yeah, I guess just it comes from the girl. It's is all this movie leaves you with is

569
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:38,520
she just came with this darkness that was affecting the mom and that drove everyone

570
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:46,920
crazy. Yeah, which I think who made the tape, whatever. Well, so the daughter, the daughter

571
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:52,000
made the tape and not to say that the movie does explaining this well, but she was really

572
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,800
the French New Wave at the time. Yeah, she was super in French New Wave.

573
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:03,400
The latter is later leans against and it falls over as the mom falls off the cliff, you know.

574
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:10,520
Yeah, just a little girl smoking cigarettes and talking about drinking wine and listening to

575
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,600
French New Wave. Yeah, she pulls the hair out of her mouth. What's up is.

576
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:21,400
That was the fucking grossest part of that fucking hair glob out of Mami Wads mouth, like

577
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:38,400
the most. So the thing with the movie is, and again, I don't think the movie does well to

578
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:48,240
explain this is her Samara's powers are to imprint her psychology on two things, which is

579
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:57,000
why when she's getting interviewed in the asylum, they show the like X-ray X-rays.

580
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,160
He made those happen. Yeah. Her like psychic ability imprinted on them.

581
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:09,680
And so that's how she then is able to make a movie in which you can like pick the fly off

582
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,440
of, which I thought was really cool. I like that scene, too. I like that scene a lot.

583
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:15,720
I like that. That's how.

584
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,380
Randall, I got a question.

585
01:03:18,380 --> 01:03:24,200
Which one eh, which one is the maybe strange then movie is is?

586
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:32,560
Why does there seem to be a horror film coming out called the needy ladder, like?

587
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,960
A ladder was a man save.

588
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,120
You know, it's a ladder.

589
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,600
such an unnecessary part of it. And then her reaction to like,

590
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,520
Oh my God, I walked under the ladder. You know,

591
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,760
like we are to do bad things are going to happen to you.

592
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,320
It could have been fine. She just walked under,

593
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,640
didn't have to have the guy telling her didn't have to have the cut to the movie

594
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,520
that we just watch. It was like, wait, no, it's good.

595
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:05,080
I didn't go anywhere. That's you. Which could be spooky. It's like, Oh wow.

596
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,880
And then there's no one around working either. Oh no, there's this guy that's

597
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:13,000
working. Like it's more mysterious if there is a random fucking ladder to

598
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,240
nowhere and you just walk under it and you leave it there. You're like, Oh,

599
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,680
there was that. Yeah, I completely.

600
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,320
And I just wanted a black hat to run by and her to break a mirror and have to

601
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:28,120
spill some soul all in one scene, all in one shot. Just, Oh, oh, so

602
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,560
Oh God, oh, I'm here. That's what scary movie would do.

603
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,640
That's what scary movie would do. Yeah.

604
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:34,360
Isn't it so silly?

605
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,920
It's like, Hey, you messed up me putting up this mirror in a very high place

606
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,920
with my pet cat.

607
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,400
Would you like some salt on your tater salad?

608
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,160
I have a reason for everything.

609
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:55,240
It's yeah, it's really silly and kind of confounding that she's already been like.

610
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:01,120
Blighted with the curse and then you get double cursed.

611
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,720
Yeah, we knew that bad things are going to happen.

612
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,880
Our more bad things going to happen to her because she walked on her.

613
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,040
It's like, why?

614
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,600
I mean, the really the only reason it's there is because in the videos,

615
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,960
it is to communicate that there's a ladder in one of the videos.

616
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,960
And it's also to communicate that the girl Samara was living in that loft in the

617
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,400
barn. And so she had to get up there with a ladder.

618
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,000
You don't need to spend it on like superstition shit.

619
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,320
Like it's so pointless.

620
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,320
Like, please.

621
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,880
That's where the lore is a little too self important.

622
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:37,880
Yeah.

623
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:41,320
You were going to say.

624
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,760
I was just saying, can we take a quick second?

625
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,760
I know we're getting pretty far into this movie right now.

626
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,560
No, I feel like a little appreciate.

627
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:50,880
Oh, no, I thought you want to take a break.

628
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:52,680
Oh, you want to take a second to talk about something?

629
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,240
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

630
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,040
Let's take a quick break to appreciate the little boy in his little suit.

631
01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,920
Oh, yes. Oh, yeah.

632
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,960
The little gentleman part of that movie.

633
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,360
Yes. Yes.

634
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,800
You know, he's three little gentlemen's choir.

635
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,560
He's a fine young man.

636
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,240
I feel like he needs a little shout out.

637
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:18,120
Yeah, dude, the way they shot like the the him at the funeral

638
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:22,600
next to the banister for the stairs going up was usually they made it look like

639
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,160
he was the exact height of that, you know, the rail for the stairs.

640
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,280
So and then he just realized how well fit that suit is for that little gentleman.

641
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,160
The costume department just took his size perfectly

642
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,560
and made him a perfect little tiny suit for him that he's going to grow out of

643
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,200
in a couple of months. But for this day and moment in time,

644
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,560
for this funeral scene at this movie, like he is dressed perfectly.

645
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:50,200
He reads the little gentleman's quarter, little sophisticated quarterly,

646
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,760
which while we were watching together last night, we were trying to come up with

647
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:58,400
headlines.

648
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,800
I think Brandon's was like, are dinosaurs still cool?

649
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,840
What juice box is best?

650
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:12,520
You know, but.

651
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,160
Either butter jelly crust on or off.

652
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:19,920
Just the hard hitting questions for a little gentleman quarterly.

653
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,000
Are cooties still a thing?

654
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,760
You know what, though, it is.

655
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,800
This just came to me as we talked about the little gentleman is

656
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,760
it doesn't make sense for him to be so well dressed because.

657
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,320
Don't poke holes in the fun.

658
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:46,920
Continue, no, but the mother is not is struggling to be a mother.

659
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,520
I was thinking the same thing just now.

660
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,720
So realistically, the suit should have been like too big for him.

661
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,120
Yeah. Or he didn't wear a suit at all anymore.

662
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:59,920
I don't know, like normal clothes like it just it doesn't make sense

663
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:05,600
that he has just a perfectly tailored suit and a pico, a fucking dope pico later, too.

664
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,960
Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, absolutely.

665
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:14,200
But all that. It's it's Samara's Samara's

666
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:19,720
providing him some some ability to go into some suit stores

667
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:27,240
and put some guy under a spell with his mind and size him for suits for free.

668
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:29,520
For free.

669
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:34,360
He just he's like that that one reality show we watch

670
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,680
where kids have to go out on their own and go get stuff.

671
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,800
It's just him leaving the apartment by himself.

672
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,200
He goes to the suit store.

673
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,520
He's like, I would like one suit, please.

674
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,720
Samara's like whispering in the suit.

675
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,080
Maybe you're like, I better make him the suit.

676
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,040
I wanted more like crank calling, like some some prank calls from

677
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,760
that's probably just too much of a scary movie, three thing or something.

678
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:03,240
But I just wanted her to be like, hey, it's there's four days left.

679
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,760
Do you think you're really going to solve that mystery?

680
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:06,800
I don't think so.

681
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,560
And by the way, if you keep watching that tape, I'm going to cut

682
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,720
I'm going to move the day up a little closer.

683
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,320
So you better stop watching that thing.

684
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,120
That's my to give it back.

685
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:22,160
One thing that I would love to see, I just got reminded

686
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,160
because my my Internet was lagging a little bit

687
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,880
and your face was kind of moving around, but like the.

688
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,160
Oh, my God, my curse stuff.

689
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,960
And how do you look fine now?

690
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,160
Yeah, let's take selfies first.

691
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:36,880
Like, what was what?

692
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,040
What was the point of that?

693
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:42,360
You know, in all the photos, yeah, the I forget the guy's name, but for,

694
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,080
you know, X love or whatever.

695
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,360
What's the point of the blurred photos?

696
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,360
If we're not going to get any kind of history, why?

697
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,960
Is it just like a preview as to like what they're going to look like when they're dead?

698
01:09:56,440 --> 01:09:59,840
I don't know. Yeah, no, that's no, no, I think.

699
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:03,120
I think kind of. I mean, yeah.

700
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:08,320
I'm ultimately the movie doesn't do well to explain what that means,

701
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,360
especially to because when there is a moment to kind of explain it or something,

702
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,320
like when he goes to when the I can't remember the dad,

703
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,440
not dad, but the guy's name goes to like buy something.

704
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:23,680
And then the woman behind the counter is like, you're going to die soon.

705
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,720
Whoa. Hey, OK.

706
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,360
Jesus, I sell cigarettes daily and I tell that to anybody who asks

707
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,160
for a pack of cigarettes at my convenience store. Or.

708
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,360
Probably so. And every single person that buys these cigarettes here,

709
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,480
I told them they're going to fucking die and they never come back.

710
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:43,360
Yes. You know, no, we'll be customers.

711
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,280
Yeah, I mean.

712
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,080
It is interesting to think about in the time period between seeing the video

713
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,480
and you dying that you have this curse on you,

714
01:10:54,480 --> 01:11:00,320
and that's how it visualizes itself is through video or photos.

715
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,200
Because that's kind of how it starts as well.

716
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:08,120
So it's it's somewhat interesting in when you zoom out enough

717
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,080
and give the movie way more credit than it kind of deserves.

718
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:12,640
But yeah, you're right.

719
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:17,000
It's like there's no explanation why people's faces are blurred.

720
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,600
It's just a spooky effects.

721
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,400
Definitely that there are other things that do have

722
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,760
this sort of logic that they are made sure to follow up on,

723
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:32,480
like at the end of like, wait a minute, how long would it take to die in a well?

724
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:34,880
Oh, seven days.

725
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,880
Oh, it's seven days.

726
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,880
Oh, it makes perfect sense.

727
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,880
They're waterlogged for seven days.

728
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,560
That's what happened to the girl at the beginning.

729
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,760
She looked like she had been in a well for seven days.

730
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:47,560
And so they like and like whatever.

731
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,400
There might be some centipedes down in the well.

732
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,960
And those centipedes are going to there might be some flies that are

733
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:54,480
that are around there.

734
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:57,080
But there might be a ladder that you have to climb up into your bar.

735
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:01,120
Like most of those things do kind of have a little element of truth.

736
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,400
But that camera thing is just kind of, yeah, that's more just a signifier

737
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,040
of the curse, I guess.

738
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:10,200
But I think it's pretty effective, but there's no and there's nothing attached.

739
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,960
Well, there are all those other things they make sure so much to

740
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,120
let you know that they do mean something.

741
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,200
So I think it's fair to question.

742
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,400
When something doesn't have a meaning.

743
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,520
Besides, yeah, just the.

744
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:29,160
I had like this movie at this time, having the analog

745
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:34,280
of tape in that element of it, it does kind of come at the perfect time.

746
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,360
Because, yeah, like you're trying to imagine this movie now.

747
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,120
And I probably will watch rings at some some point.

748
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:44,160
Now that this is fresh in my mind, it's it's cool to think about how the technology

749
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:48,080
is perfect for this kind of scary sort of thing.

750
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:54,200
But also how it can have a hard time aging as well, which I hinted at earlier.

751
01:12:54,200 --> 01:13:00,040
But the visual look of this movie, I thought was the most difficult thing

752
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:07,360
for me to get past in terms of how it ages, because I get that you want to make

753
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,680
it look like you're in a well, but at what cost?

754
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,880
Like it just looks like you're in a well, the whole movie here.

755
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,480
And, you know, just a moldy, you know,

756
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:21,440
just a moldy, stanky, danky well.

757
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:25,480
And it's just this green, blue, green, mostly green filter that

758
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,360
looks OK at times and other times

759
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:36,640
absolutely just does not fit when you're in an office setting, trying to go over

760
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,240
like, you know, white.

761
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,400
There's a lot of white in those scenes.

762
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,280
And to look at white paper and just see so clearly

763
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:50,440
how green that white paper looks and then cuts back to her face and back and forth.

764
01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:53,200
And it's like, wow, everything is

765
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,800
just upsetting to look at when it doesn't need to be.

766
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:02,320
And yeah, it just doesn't hold up as well as I would have hoped.

767
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:04,840
Yeah, absolutely.

768
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,720
I mean, Gore Verbinski himself said that the reason he did that

769
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,920
is for mood and for tone.

770
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,600
But I would argue that it doesn't really help it.

771
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,720
Like if I could easily imagine this movie without having the such a prevailing

772
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:25,160
green and bluish hue on every scene being equally as effective and not

773
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:31,040
like not really taking away at all of like me feeling the sense of dread

774
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,040
or the sense of like

775
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,680
sickness, you know. Yeah.

776
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,640
And the original movie, the Japanese one, did not have that at all.

777
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:40,840
It's unnecessary.

778
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,440
And I mean, I could see for going to the island, switching

779
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:48,400
into that a little bit or something and then have contrasting

780
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,560
being at closer to the place creates more of that effect.

781
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,360
Like you could have some fun with it, but to just blanket the whole movie

782
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:00,640
and color correct it in that way was was a drag.

783
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,320
But I don't know. I feel like kind of we've we've kind of touched

784
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,040
on a lot of the big stuff and I'm trying to go through because I really didn't

785
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,160
take notes. It's fun to watch in a party party group setting with you

786
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:12,720
with you boys last night.

787
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:16,400
And I was just kind of in the moment, didn't really feel the need

788
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:17,760
to write anything down.

789
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:23,560
But as far as like best scares for I think it is like, yeah, the the fly

790
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:29,800
and the horse, you know, the the effects as well, unfortunately,

791
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:31,280
don't hold up completely.

792
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,160
And I knew that was going to be the case.

793
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:37,400
But, you know, like crawling out of the TV at the end and getting

794
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:41,360
and getting dude was was OK.

795
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,720
But I like more or less, yeah, like the implication of like the fly

796
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:51,320
and the surprise of the centipede and those things that just let you know

797
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,680
something so looming and adds that sense of dread

798
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,800
where it's not so hamfisted as maybe a ladder or whatever.

799
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,400
But there needed to be those kind of things throughout the investigative part

800
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:07,080
like the horse or something, because I feel like there just wouldn't be enough.

801
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,040
And then, yeah, I guess Brian Cox kind of MVP in a way.

802
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:14,040
Yeah, I was going to say that's my what I was scared most of,

803
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:19,360
because it was crazy that she essentially breaks into his house

804
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:24,200
and then decides to watch stuff on the TV in his house.

805
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,200
And then, yeah, him appearing behind was absurd.

806
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,960
I was scared, scared the most at that point, definitely, because this is like,

807
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,400
yeah, this guy could do something.

808
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,880
And I really felt, yeah, because it's weird

809
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,120
how it also works against itself.

810
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:47,440
The idea of like when you know when you're going to get attacked and killed,

811
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,240
because then.

812
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:55,200
Before that, you're not going to you're not in trouble.

813
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,320
It's not until the seventh day that you're in trouble.

814
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:02,640
So, yeah, it's Brian Cox being in the picture that really was scary.

815
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,520
So, yeah, that's what made me think of like drag me to hell.

816
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:09,120
And like they do that same sort of switch where like, oh, I did this thing

817
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,840
that absolved the curse and now I'm good.

818
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:16,160
And then to have them pull the rug out from underneath you at the end.

819
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,920
I don't know. I thought it was a little cheap to just have her be fine

820
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,280
and have that ellipsis with the son who also watched the tape.

821
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,800
That was a little frustrating for me this time around.

822
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,640
I I wanted I don't know.

823
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:32,320
I don't know, not necessarily for the movie to be

824
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:37,040
just completely mean spirited towards this protagonist, main character and everything,

825
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:43,120
but to have a dude's death be the climax and the big moment was.

826
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:47,400
I don't know. I wanted a little bit more, I guess.

827
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,880
And anytime it was aggressively PG 13.

828
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,000
And I at the at the time, I was OK with it.

829
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,920
But this time, I think there was a part for

830
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:00,160
somebody who doesn't require a lot of gruesome elements, just wanted maybe

831
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:05,240
a little bit, a little bit more punch in the guts with some of those

832
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:06,520
some of those moments.

833
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,880
But would you say that same chip, probably the Brian Cox moment?

834
01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:13,680
Yeah, I mean, that's huge.

835
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:15,400
That's a huge moment.

836
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,400
And what I would kind of resonate

837
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:24,120
and reiterate what you're saying, the very end with the boyfriend

838
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:30,160
dying and her being absolved and not having any issue with her.

839
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,120
And then the two of them watching the video and pressing play

840
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,360
and they're going to go into the world.

841
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:40,280
It's like a pop out. It's such a cheap moment. Right.

842
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,720
And I don't need to I don't need a ton of resolution.

843
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,720
Right. You don't.

844
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,400
I don't need to know what's going to happen next.

845
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,240
Not agree. And maybe some of those equals,

846
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:56,920
maybe some of the sequels are going to fill that out, whatever.

847
01:18:57,480 --> 01:18:58,040
But.

848
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:05,440
He going through and being like, I'm going to find out what your history is.

849
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:06,960
And then now he doesn't die.

850
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:12,560
To me, it's up because like she said, she's going to kill everybody.

851
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,560
Right. She's going to do this.

852
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,600
I'm OK with her sparing the life of the boy because I think she's sparing

853
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,480
the life of the boy because she relates to him and knows that like, hey,

854
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:26,560
he's living just like you said, Brandon is living a life with Aaron,

855
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,160
who's probably not taking very good care of them.

856
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:31,480
I mean, it's evident that he's not.

857
01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:34,600
But maybe he goes and gets adopted by somebody else and continues.

858
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:35,640
You know, the young soul.

859
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:38,840
Right. Yeah.

860
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,840
I mean, it's the way that they end that movie is like go through

861
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:44,240
this really pivotal moment.

862
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:45,800
You break in the guy's house.

863
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,320
You think he's going to kill her and then all of a sudden he's killing himself

864
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,800
in like the craziest contract in ever, which is awesome.

865
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:53,880
I love that scene.

866
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:55,440
And then.

867
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,440
Nothing, almost nothing like.

868
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,840
A huge let down now, the her coming back out on the TV.

869
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,760
And after they seem to be fine, really cool.

870
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:10,480
I'd like that they continue the lore.

871
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:13,240
I like that they were like, not over yet.

872
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:14,960
Not over yet.

873
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,720
But it just, I mean, it's such a soft ending.

874
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:20,720
It really is.

875
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:26,600
Yeah, and falling down that well, even I mean, no injuries there and

876
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:32,040
and holding the skeleton is enough to provide a flashback in her mind.

877
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:37,080
But that could have been done in an even more intense sort of way as well.

878
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,920
And not to get too into what ideas could be,

879
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:46,240
but what happens at the bottom of that well could have been more creatively spooky

880
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,840
and grotesque in its own way or something to how she communes with that

881
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,360
that skeleton, you know.

882
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:59,920
Yeah, I, I really hate the last 15, 20 minutes of this movie

883
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:04,240
because I would have loved this movie to have ended after she got out of the well

884
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:08,360
because in my mind, most interesting part about this movie is her.

885
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:16,200
Holding Samara is her reconciling with motherhood and reconciling with like.

886
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:21,680
If I like this, Samara just needed love.

887
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:25,560
I like that. And now and now I'm going to break this cycle,

888
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,680
the cycle of the video. Yeah.

889
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:31,560
And I am now going to love my child no matter what.

890
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,760
It took me a while to get there.

891
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,680
It didn't naturally come to me.

892
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:41,200
But now holding her and that's so much of what that moment was to is the is

893
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:47,160
the is the like seeing how this is what could be if I don't change.

894
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:52,640
Right. And then to have this like epilogue and then have it so.

895
01:21:53,760 --> 01:22:03,600
Like a franchise minded of like we got to, you know, set it up for the next movie.

896
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:08,280
I mean, I've talked to Ignatian about how I fucking hate that shit

897
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:15,280
where you lost a better movie because you needed to set up another movie.

898
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:21,800
Like, yes, make the good movie because there's there's no rules

899
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:26,560
that the second movie couldn't be honestly the same fucking thing.

900
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:32,160
Maybe it's with a dad and his daughter or or just some, you know, different combinations.

901
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:36,200
But to just be a direction.

902
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:38,840
No, it doesn't.

903
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:45,000
It's just all your all you have to do is just have the the conceit of the rules of the tape.

904
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,840
It that's it. It doesn't need to all be connected.

905
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,920
It doesn't need to move on because it also just doesn't fucking make any sense

906
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:58,560
that there is this moment of the daughter with skin turning into the skeleton

907
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:04,320
and going through that emotional process of it all to then very quickly after being like,

908
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,120
no, she's still here and she's still going to get you.

909
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,920
It's like what it was the plan of all of that.

910
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,800
And you want to have your cake and eat it, too, because if you are going to do that,

911
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:18,560
then have her actually have the fucking thing follow through and kill Naomi Watts.

912
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:23,600
Like if you are going to have that that back and forth of like, oh, actually, she never sleeps

913
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,720
and she shouldn't have done that like, OK, fucking follow through.

914
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,640
Don't have your cake and eat it, too, where it's like we're going to set up for the next one.

915
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:36,080
And we're also going to show this little fucking epilogue of like, oh, the and it still is out there

916
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,320
to this day sort of thing like you could.

917
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:42,480
You're so right, Brandon, with that, the ending like I would have been happier

918
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:48,320
with that as well, because there was such a resolution to something ending on love

919
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:54,080
and acceptance and all that stuff of and how that can transcend to her son,

920
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,840
which is already convoluted because they want to make him like Damien from the Omen,

921
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,120
which I think they get more into that and ring to is like a little bit more of like

922
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,560
the Omen or something. But like, yeah, you're so right.

923
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,160
They just want to have their cake and eat it, too.

924
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:07,760
They wanted to have a last kill.

925
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:12,320
They wanted the monsters still be alive and they want to Naomi and the son to both be alive as well,

926
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:15,120
because they took this property from somebody else.

927
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:16,160
They knew it was going to be successful.

928
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,600
They pumped a bunch into marketing and they knew that they were going to event,

929
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:20,640
which they did.

930
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:25,200
I remember seeing the sequel in theaters as because I was pretty hyped for it.

931
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:31,120
And I remember openly laughing with my buddy at the time, my buddy Demetri at the time,

932
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:36,800
at this part where like these deer from the woods descend upon their car and start like

933
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,480
snarling and kicking the shit out of the car and puncturing the tires.

934
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:44,480
And we just started cracking up laughing because it's so silly.

935
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:46,800
But no one else in the theater was.

936
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,560
But we thought it was really funny.

937
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:51,200
But that's a great point, Brandon.

938
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:55,840
Yeah, to that point, James, I imagine when the horse gets loose,

939
01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:02,160
that at one point of it running around, it does like there's this famous clip of the shaggy dog

940
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:07,040
where the shaggy dog like escapes out of the room and then it's clearly a guy in a suit

941
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,160
and he punches the person standing in front of the.

942
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:14,640
Oh, you froze for a second.

943
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:15,680
Oh, sorry.

944
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,200
How funny would it be if the horse escaped at that at one point, it just like

945
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,920
somebody that's trying to corral it.

946
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,120
It just.

947
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,120
Swear up.

948
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:32,960
But there's no reason why the absentee fathered guy.

949
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,080
Couldn't have died before.

950
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:36,640
Yeah.

951
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:37,840
The the West.

952
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:39,520
There's really no there's no.

953
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:40,320
Exactly.

954
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:46,880
Exactly. The reason for it, like he's been entrenched in all of this stuff with the

955
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:48,240
the curse and all of that.

956
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:52,000
There is no reason why you couldn't have shown him accidentally watching the video

957
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,520
as he was searching for the history of it and then dies.

958
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:57,360
And then the climax.

959
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:02,640
It would have made so much more sense because like you also leave the move.

960
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:06,560
It's so weird where like the.

961
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:13,840
The move, it's so weird where like five minutes before the movie is telling you,

962
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,160
oh, this dad's going to he's going to turn around.

963
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:16,720
You know what?

964
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,640
He might actually be a good dad.

965
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:19,840
You just fucking kill him.

966
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,920
They just want they're forcing you to try to care about him and you don't.

967
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:24,560
You just don't.

968
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,040
I think that's what that's all that.

969
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:28,640
Like you said, that scene is pointless.

970
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,440
The only point for that scene I could see is like we're going to kill him.

971
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:34,480
So we should probably make you care a little bit more about him because we

972
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:37,280
haven't thus far.

973
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:42,560
Yeah, which is killing before the weld and the reconciliation makes way more

974
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:44,720
sense to when she's down there, right?

975
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,800
I mean, significantly more sense, right?

976
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:52,080
He's finally like everybody around me is dying and I can't handle this anymore.

977
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:58,560
And then because he goes and reconciled with her and it's over and it's over

978
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,800
and just ends and it's just done.

979
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:01,040
Right.

980
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:01,840
There's no need.

981
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,840
Again, that's why I say it's so soft.

982
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:10,960
Or have Naomi Watts channel the energy of the mother and more of a more defined

983
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:15,760
strong way so that she can enact that hatred towards the sun, have the sun be

984
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:19,760
the main character, have him be the protagonist in a way like, I don't know,

985
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,120
or at least have show more of that darkness through Naomi Watts.

986
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,880
I don't know why you have to be so precious about these characters in what

987
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,480
might be a franchise movie for horror.

988
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:29,520
Let's get a horror movie.

989
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,920
And yeah, they made they made a copy of the tape.

990
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,440
Just fucking do a little pan over to the copy of the tape, right?

991
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:38,640
I think in the movie, if you wanted to fucking have an ellipsis, like who cares

992
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:42,080
about these characters, like just show that copy of the tape and let you know,

993
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,040
you know, you have to do that.

994
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,640
Just like I like, or I like the idea if you want to do another, like there's

995
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:47,840
another fucking tape who cares.

996
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:55,440
A punch up I would give is that after the well, she goes to pick her son up off

997
01:27:55,440 --> 01:28:00,240
the ground by himself, have him like his nose is bleeding or like allude to the

998
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,560
fact that he now is going to become Samara, you know, to some degree.

999
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,480
And then you just end the movie right there.

1000
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:07,680
Like just leave it at that.

1001
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,640
Just go, oh shit, maybe it's still going on.

1002
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:14,480
You know, she like walks into his room and like, hey, honey, dinner's ready.

1003
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:15,920
And he's like editing a video tape.

1004
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,640
He's like, oh, I got final cut.

1005
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:19,600
Don't worry about it.

1006
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,680
I'm just, it's a sample.

1007
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:23,360
It was a demo.

1008
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,360
I'm just like, oh, I'm going to do this.

1009
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:26,080
I'm just trying it out.

1010
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:26,640
Don't worry.

1011
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:30,480
That's how you make a franchise film.

1012
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:33,440
You make him the next Samara.

1013
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:33,940
Yeah.

1014
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:39,760
That's why I just like, you lay up, you lay up, kill, kill them both and then

1015
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:41,200
put them in the foster system.

1016
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:43,040
It's fucked up and sad and dark.

1017
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:47,280
It's a horror movie and then have him get adopted by the grace.

1018
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:47,780
Jones.

1019
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,120
And then you get his backstory finally.

1020
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:55,440
So now you get run time to tell his backstory of how he became that way.

1021
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:55,940
Yeah.

1022
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:57,220
Perfect.

1023
01:28:57,220 --> 01:28:57,840
It's a win-win.

1024
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:01,200
Maybe we just, maybe we just make that movie now.

1025
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:07,120
The it's, it's more like a pre I'm surprised they haven't done the

1026
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:12,480
prequel of the making of the tape and the girl and the well and the mom and everything.

1027
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:16,400
And like, and it's, it's what's interesting about that tape and everything.

1028
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:21,760
Like when I was a kid, I always thought like, oh, this was some weird thing that was made

1029
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,680
in the 1800s and they somehow found a way to channel it into a tape because everything

1030
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:30,240
looks so old time, not that video, but they found a way to like through dark magic,

1031
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:32,160
create images from that time.

1032
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,280
Cause everything looks like it's in the fucking from the crucible or something.

1033
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:40,240
And then it's like, you,

1034
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:42,720
when the black plague was a thing.

1035
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,320
And Brian Cox was like, oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah. It's like, well,

1036
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:51,520
it looks like when cameras were first invented, these home videos.

1037
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:53,140
Yeah.

1038
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,240
She was, yeah, it's a French new wave. She was just watching a lot of

1039
01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:59,520
John Luke, Goddard, whatever.

1040
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:06,320
Well, um, yeah, I mean, I, I feel like we've definitely

1041
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,240
expressed our, our opinions about it. And I would like to

1042
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:13,280
hear a little bit from the audiences and critics as well.

1043
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,920
Before we take a break, is there anything else that you guys wanted

1044
01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:18,800
to say that we missed?

1045
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:20,480
Cause I don't have any notes.

1046
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:25,680
I think there was that line that was really funny where the ladies trying to explain it to her and

1047
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:28,640
yes, yes.

1048
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:29,680
I text that earlier.

1049
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:30,560
That's gorgeous.

1050
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:34,240
Brian and I were laughing at it too. It was like, no offense, ma'am, but

1051
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,320
what the hell does that even mean?

1052
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:41,200
It was like an extended period of like time where she's like, it didn't explain to it.

1053
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,320
It's not that difficult. And she's like, speak English.

1054
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,600
Yeah. I mean, I took notes. I mean, yeah, overall I feel good about it.

1055
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:58,880
Cool. All right. We'll take a quick break and we'll be right back.

1056
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,080
We are back to the polarized podcast.

1057
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:05,360
What an app.

1058
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:06,080
What an app.

1059
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:07,600
What a guest chip.

1060
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:08,720
Thanks again, brother.

1061
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,360
Let's move on to some critics thoughts.

1062
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:14,800
We're going to start with some critics thoughts.

1063
01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:17,600
You like this movie. They gave it a 71%.

1064
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:19,200
The audience gave it a 48%.

1065
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:23,360
Let's hear from some of those top critics on Rotten Tomatoes.

1066
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,440
Keith Phipps, AV club.

1067
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,760
Give it a B plus says here.

1068
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:33,840
Gorr Verbinski creates an air of dread that begins with the first scene and never lets up.

1069
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:39,120
Subtly incorporating elements from the current wave of Japanese horror films along the way.

1070
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,400
There's a Japanese horror film wave at this time.

1071
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,120
David Edelstein Slate.

1072
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:50,720
The filmmakers have wisely stayed close to the original's mood, which is somber and flat with

1073
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:57,520
quick near subliminal inserts and a soundtrack full of watery grave groans and murmurs.

1074
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:03,280
Richard Schickel Time Magazine says it's an edgy watchable film, but one that makes you feel more

1075
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:06,160
squeamish than screamish.

1076
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:09,440
All right, Richard Schickel.

1077
01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:11,280
Yeah, you dog.

1078
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:12,080
You dog.

1079
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:17,520
Let's take a look over at Mark Denning at Empire Magazine.

1080
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:18,800
Gave it a four out of five.

1081
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:20,640
As a concept, it's flawed.

1082
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:22,560
As a remake, it's good.

1083
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:26,720
As modern horror, it's a firecracker.

1084
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:28,080
What the hell?

1085
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,080
What the hell?

1086
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,640
And we'll finish with Nev Pierce from BBC.com.

1087
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:42,000
Gorr Verbinski creates beautifully composed pictures of unpleasantness throughout moments

1088
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,960
that sneak around the memory for days after viewing.

1089
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:47,520
Hmm.

1090
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:52,960
Let's yeah, they were the critics.

1091
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,960
This is a critically favored movie, which is not something I would have thought.

1092
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,440
Now we'll move on to some audience one star reviews.

1093
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:06,080
We'll start with some letterbox from Hanhania.

1094
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:07,440
One star.

1095
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:14,320
Watch this with a TikTok brained motherfucker who made me put it in two times speed and

1096
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:18,800
it was still boring.

1097
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:24,800
Nicole gave it one star.

1098
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,360
I watched five horror movies today, two of which being straight to Netflix films with

1099
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:30,960
less than a shoestring budget.

1100
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:34,800
And this is inarguably the worst of the heap.

1101
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:39,920
This has every single terrible, awful, no good horror cliche that you could fit into

1102
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:40,800
a single feature film.

1103
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,480
And the color grading manages to make this film more blue than even Twilight.

1104
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:49,040
This is literally just a very expensively made creepy pasta.

1105
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:53,520
Fun fact, the well the girl crawls out of is on my school's campus.

1106
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:58,080
So sometimes a group of us would just sit around it while eating lunch and doing work.

1107
01:33:58,080 --> 01:33:59,440
And I think that's pretty cool.

1108
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,200
Whoa, that is a fun fact.

1109
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:07,040
Crazy to think that there's a well on a school campus.

1110
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,000
Yeah, that's on a school campus.

1111
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:08,480
Yeah.

1112
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:09,360
Like, oh.

1113
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:13,120
Like, hey, that's that's the that's the ring well over there.

1114
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:16,960
Watched by M.

1115
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:18,320
She gave it a one star.

1116
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,080
This wasn't even a little bit scary.

1117
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,640
Naomi Watts, I'm free on Thursday night, though.

1118
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,080
Whoa, Jesus.

1119
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:27,600
Hey, shoot your shot.

1120
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:29,680
Hey, whoa.

1121
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,440
Madeline Isabella gave it a one star.

1122
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:37,280
It misses the point of the original so utterly that I don't even know why they

1123
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:38,560
bothered making it.

1124
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,720
There's a whole bunch of hokey and artless CG tacked onto a script that strips away

1125
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:48,320
all the subtext and nuance of the original in favor of tacky mother's gone bad and

1126
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,800
mental illness is scary bullshit.

1127
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,440
I hate everything about this, especially how the first quarter

1128
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:55,040
tricked me into thinking this would be OK.

1129
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:02,160
Yeah, there's there's some hate.

1130
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:04,400
We'll do maybe one or two more.

1131
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,400
Let's see from Dennis.

1132
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:07,520
One star.

1133
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,520
Upon rewatch, this is very bad.

1134
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,520
The child's performance is abhorrent.

1135
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:15,760
The twist that Noah is his dad is also awful and randomly dropped.

1136
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:17,120
I agree.

1137
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:20,560
So many scenes that could be disturbing like the horse on the boat are ruined by

1138
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,360
comically bad editing and awkward performances.

1139
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,320
Some of the imagery is cool, but it's just ripped from the original.

1140
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:27,600
So no credit there.

1141
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,560
Rest of the movie is so boring to look at.

1142
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:35,200
I saw this in a theater with the ring themed drag show beforehand, which

1143
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:38,880
included a three animated Samara dancing to what?

1144
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,360
It was more enjoyable than that.

1145
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:44,560
What?

1146
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:45,760
That does sound fun.

1147
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:47,360
Dan, that's as fun as.

1148
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:51,360
Oh, what else?

1149
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:52,240
What else?

1150
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:53,760
Pussy works on multiple levels.

1151
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:55,840
Yeah, it does.

1152
01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:58,880
That's pretty good.

1153
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,640
OK, one more from Sam Fox.

1154
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:06,320
I really wanted to come back to this and like it.

1155
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:10,560
So many people who I respect swear by this movie and maybe even and some even claim

1156
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:11,840
it's better than the original.

1157
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:16,480
But I honestly do not understand how they can think that this film feels so stilted

1158
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:19,760
like every piece is just jammed together and forced into working order.

1159
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:23,440
And the parts of the movie that people reference feel so cheesy and out of place,

1160
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:25,440
even within the context of the film itself.

1161
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,240
On top of that, I think this movie is poorly acted.

1162
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:29,840
Naomi Watts seems bored.

1163
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,840
And uncommitted Brian Cox is a standout for me, but that almost made everything worse

1164
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,240
because it took me back to reality for a bit.

1165
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:40,400
The most compelling parts of the film are either directly almost one for one taken

1166
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:44,800
from the original or feel like loose ideas that they had to work really hard to justify.

1167
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:46,800
See the horror scene, which felt so out of place.

1168
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:48,320
I thought I was losing my mind.

1169
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:52,720
I really don't love being a hater, but I really do believe the only reason this movie

1170
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:57,040
maintains any semblance of positive grace in society is nostalgia.

1171
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:00,400
It's not to say there's nothing good in this film, but it just doesn't feel like

1172
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:04,880
it all fits together in a way that actually works or holds up to objective scrutiny.

1173
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:07,520
Nostalgia is a great reason to love something.

1174
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:11,280
And I just wish people would accept that rather than try to argue this film's merits

1175
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:12,560
by tearing down the original.

1176
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,960
I appreciate this film for bringing J-horror into mainstream American culture,

1177
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,440
but I don't think it's worth revisiting beyond that.

1178
01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:24,080
Very well.

1179
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:27,120
Very well.

1180
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:31,440
Nostalgia is worth it, okay?

1181
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:33,920
You've got to appreciate nostalgia.

1182
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:35,920
Okay.

1183
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:36,400
All right.

1184
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,440
I think recognizing it is enough.

1185
01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:48,080
And whether you appreciate it or not, sometimes to me is so subconscious that

1186
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:56,960
I have nostalgia is something that I have no control over in that it makes me bias in a way

1187
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:03,280
if The Lost World Jurassic Park was up on the stand, I would have to abstain as a juror

1188
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:07,600
because I have deep-seated bias inside of me that I like.

1189
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,120
I have too many memories.

1190
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:10,400
It's like my childhood.

1191
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:11,360
I can't.

1192
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:12,000
I was just...

1193
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:17,840
That was a VHS tape that was there for me in times when I needed to throw on something

1194
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:23,040
and watch some dinosaurs because I was signed up to Little Gentlemen's Quarterly and I was

1195
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,160
going through the phase of like, I don't know, are dinosaurs cool still or not?

1196
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:27,600
And it was a tough time for me.

1197
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:35,120
So yeah, you just got to abstain as a juror on some of these rankings of the movie

1198
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:37,120
that we just watched.

1199
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:40,560
And I would say, yeah, it's just surprising just for the last little bit about the

1200
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:41,600
polarization of it all.

1201
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:45,200
It is, yeah, again, surprising that critics came out for this movie,

1202
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,840
at least representative on Rotten Tomatoes.

1203
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,840
And when I think of this movie as such like a, I don't know,

1204
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:58,480
passed around sort of hit amongst people getting their first DVD players and stuff

1205
01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:02,080
and picking this one up or telling each other about it.

1206
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:07,760
And as far as a movie that you wouldn't have to be an adult to see, it's not R-rated.

1207
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,240
You can go with your friends after school.

1208
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:13,440
And I think that has a lot going for it as well.

1209
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:15,040
Or I thought it would for the audience.

1210
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:19,040
And yeah, I guess it was just surprising that the critics came out for it more.

1211
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:25,680
But yeah, and then if you guys have anything else to say about that in terms of the

1212
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:31,360
those reviews or the polarization or anything, otherwise, I'd love to hear your final thoughts, Chip.

1213
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:40,720
Yeah, I mean, I think when it comes to the critics, generally it seems like the critics

1214
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:43,760
love bad movies and they hate the movies.

1215
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:48,800
That's just kind of how it fits.

1216
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:55,440
Or at least, you know, whatever the audience loves, critics generally are not going to like.

1217
01:39:55,440 --> 01:40:01,040
But no, for me, so my take on the movies, it checks all the boxes for me.

1218
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:07,280
So from a suspenseful or horror type movie, you know, it runs through the gambit of,

1219
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:12,880
OK, let's set the stage, let's do the cheesy overtones or undertones of,

1220
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:18,320
you know, something's going on, we got to figure out what it is, we don't know what it is.

1221
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:26,320
And then we're going to throw in, you know, the high school teenagers and then the one person

1222
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:30,720
who's loosely affiliated with it is going to be the main character and all that.

1223
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,520
And they go through it and solve it.

1224
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:35,200
And I really like that.

1225
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:39,920
I like the suspense of the movie, I like the little jump scare parts of it.

1226
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:45,040
All of that really works for me in terms of this movie.

1227
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:51,440
There is quite a bit in the movie that is unnecessarily added in.

1228
01:40:54,640 --> 01:41:00,800
A lot of stuff that we don't need to know about, it's wasted film, it is wasted storyline

1229
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:05,200
where we could have gotten a lot more and maybe even better story to it.

1230
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:12,000
That being said, overall, like I like the movie, I don't want to give it too bad of a rating, but

1231
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:15,360
I think I'm going to have to go with.

1232
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:22,080
I wanted to say 69, so it'd be funny, but I think 65 overall would be my rating for this.

1233
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:22,880
All right.

1234
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:24,160
Very nice.

1235
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:25,600
Go ahead, Brandon.

1236
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:27,600
All right.

1237
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:31,040
Yeah, so I didn't really care for this movie.

1238
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:39,920
I think a lot of my issues with it is that it's unfocused, it meanders a lot, it isn't as scary

1239
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:41,200
as I want it to be.

1240
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:48,720
And then ultimately, some of the most effective horror movies to me, I leave watching it and

1241
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:54,400
still am freaked out by the maybe I'm going to get cursed or maybe something bad is going to happen

1242
01:41:54,400 --> 01:42:04,240
to me. And it's weird now seeing this because it's so, in my mind, ineffective in a lot of ways of

1243
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:14,320
making the curse scary that I don't feel any sense of like I'm in danger because I'm not going to

1244
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:15,120
watch the movie.

1245
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:22,720
I'm it's and so it's not like it's going to come after me, but I've spoke my piece to the movie

1246
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:28,960
but I spoke my piece to it's like this film would be 10 times better if it really was more laser

1247
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:34,880
focused on the relationship between Naomi Watts and the sun and really hunkered down on that and

1248
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:40,080
went through generational trauma could be at play that could have easily been dug in more and

1249
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:42,320
expounded upon.

1250
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:48,160
And then, yeah, just also the idea of recently we watched

1251
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:53,920
Eraserhead and a little bit of that came up for me in this is like that idea of being, you know,

1252
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,400
Eraserhead is like the tape that you would find.

1253
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:58,400
What the fuck is this?

1254
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:00,080
What the hell?

1255
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:00,800
I'm cursed now.

1256
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:07,520
But then, but that idea is really fascinating in a modern world where we all, you know,

1257
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:14,800
work a lot and there's so many things in society that are taking our attention away from things

1258
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:23,200
that we would it would behoove us to spend more time, you know, fostering and getting better at

1259
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:26,080
loving and being more attentive and all of that stuff.

1260
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,520
And this movie couldn't give a shit about any of that.

1261
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:31,120
It posits some of it.

1262
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:31,600
Sure.

1263
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:35,200
But the follow through on it is pretty horrendous.

1264
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:40,800
And then, like I said before, the ending of this really drives me nuts because of my overall

1265
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:51,520
philosophy on movies and media where creating franchises out of things with that kind of intent

1266
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,040
is flawed.

1267
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:55,760
I don't think you should do that.

1268
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:57,200
I think at least.

1269
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:00,480
Yeah, no, I just don't think I'm trying.

1270
01:44:00,480 --> 01:44:04,480
I was trying to think of like maybe situations where that doesn't make more sense, but

1271
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:06,160
fundamentally, like.

1272
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:07,840
No.

1273
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:11,600
You shouldn't.

1274
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:15,840
It shouldn't be like that where you're like, well, I'm not going to get into everything

1275
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:18,800
because, you know, we'll just wait.

1276
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,480
It'll come up in the second one.

1277
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:22,720
All of that really drives me nuts.

1278
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:25,680
And that is essentially what the last 20 minutes of this is.

1279
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,440
Just setting up like, oh, get ready because it's going to happen again.

1280
01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:31,760
And so really do not care for that.

1281
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:35,200
What am I going to give this a score of?

1282
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:40,080
I'm going to go 35 percent.

1283
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:41,680
35.

1284
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:42,800
I like that number.

1285
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:43,920
I don't know why.

1286
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:44,480
It's just one of those.

1287
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:46,480
You know how you just like like numbers.

1288
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:48,800
Yeah, 27 is my favorite number.

1289
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,600
Combined, combined, we have a hundred here.

1290
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:52,400
So.

1291
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:53,200
Ah.

1292
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:56,000
OK.

1293
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:59,200
Well, you guys team up and make that.

1294
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:02,000
Bring prequel.

1295
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:03,040
I'll be the girl.

1296
01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:06,560
OK, OK, the little gentleman.

1297
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:07,440
Be a little German.

1298
01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:10,240
OK, Chip, you can be Naomi Watts.

1299
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:14,640
Or she's not around at that time, but you know, there'll be flash forwards and.

1300
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,120
I'll be Amber Jamlin.

1301
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:18,080
I'll be the horse.

1302
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:18,880
I'll be the horse.

1303
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:19,280
Got it.

1304
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:19,840
Got it.

1305
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:20,320
Nice.

1306
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:20,960
Cool.

1307
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:21,920
Yeah, very cool.

1308
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:27,520
Yeah, this is one where going into it, I was excited to revisit it.

1309
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:34,480
Because it was, like I said, one of those big time first scary movies for me.

1310
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:35,760
That was very effective.

1311
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:41,600
And the way that I remembered it is like how you remembered.

1312
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,120
Yeah, almost like how you remember a dream.

1313
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:44,160
Can't quite explain it.

1314
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:48,160
You can't quite re-experience it, but it just hit you at that time so well.

1315
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:52,560
So watching it again now, because it is just a physical thing that I can revisit.

1316
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:55,040
And it just yeah, movies stay the same.

1317
01:45:55,040 --> 01:46:02,800
But I guess I have changed because it just and time has gone gone by as well in terms

1318
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:09,360
of real time and movie time, where things like the visual aesthetic of this movie was

1319
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:15,840
like not I was not able to go past that at all because it was that way throughout the

1320
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:16,640
whole movie.

1321
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:20,320
And that was that was rough and that was something that did not hold up well.

1322
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:25,840
And there were just other glaring things that did not hold up well that we've talked about

1323
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,360
a lot in this podcast.

1324
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:33,920
Overall, I felt like it was entertaining enough where I wasn't ever like, oh, I just want

1325
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:36,240
to like turn this off.

1326
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:42,720
I think it definitely has moments and it'll kind of pick you back up again in ways like

1327
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:48,000
the horse, which I think is unnecessary, but also effective.

1328
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:53,280
To me, for some reason, it's just being a spooky thing or the fly or those little bits

1329
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:57,600
that would visit her in her moments of investigating things.

1330
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:01,920
But as a whole, it doesn't really fully come together.

1331
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:08,000
It just works still for me, I guess, just barely as like an above slightly above average

1332
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:14,400
sort of way of like working me through this premise that I think is a pretty strong premise.

1333
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:21,040
And it makes me want to go like I've probably wanted to do when I first watch this movie

1334
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:24,000
is go back and watch the original, which I just haven't.

1335
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:31,920
But I think the premise is solid and the execution leaves more to be desired at this point in

1336
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:32,400
time.

1337
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,760
And it just doesn't hold up as much as I wanted it to, unfortunately.

1338
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:40,320
And yeah, thinking I didn't really did not remember that's how it ended.

1339
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:44,320
And that was a really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,

1340
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:51,120
really frustrating thing for me to have so much build up and have that moment of a resolution

1341
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:57,440
with her holding the skeleton and showing her love and putting her to rest, her spirit

1342
01:47:57,440 --> 01:48:01,520
to rest or something like that and immediately take that back.

1343
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:06,640
It can work if you're going to actually take it back and follow through with something

1344
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:07,760
even darker.

1345
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,680
But it goes falls somewhere right in the middle, which, yeah, it was very frustrating this

1346
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:12,240
time around.

1347
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:16,640
But yeah, I'll maintain that it was entertaining enough to warrant a slightly above average

1348
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:22,320
score and put it right in like the fresh area for me on Rotten Tomatoes, which is 62%.

1349
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:26,320
I'll do a 62% and kind of close there with Chip.

1350
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:31,920
And yeah, maybe there is a little bit of nostalgia for me that I'm not fully aware of.

1351
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:37,040
But we're going through, yeah, going through the motions of this movie because I'd seen

1352
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:42,480
it enough growing up that it was still worth it for me to watch.

1353
01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:52,080
And I could see where it would hold up for some people still today and why that concept

1354
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:55,600
was revisited in another way with Rings.

1355
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:58,800
And I'm just curious to see how that plays out.

1356
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:00,320
So I might check that one out, too.

1357
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:06,320
But for now, I'll leave that there and probably won't be a super rewatchable one.

1358
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:13,680
But it's a concept that I think was worthy of getting a movie made of it, even though

1359
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:14,400
it's a remake.

1360
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:18,240
And yeah, overall, glad I watched it with you with you guys last night.

1361
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:24,240
Before we say goodbye, I was wondering if you guys want to play a little game.

1362
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:26,400
Yeah, let's do it.

1363
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:27,600
Yeah, that sounds great.

1364
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,000
We're going to play the Rinker game.

1365
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:34,240
I guess I should come up with a better name for it.

1366
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:44,320
Better name for it, but it's the Rinker game where I will be giving you guys lists on

1367
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:49,280
ranker.com where the movie The Ring is present on.

1368
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:56,720
And I will be asking one of you to tell me where do you think the ring lies on this list?

1369
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:04,000
And then it will be up to the other one to decide if it is that rank that the person

1370
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:06,080
gave or if it is higher or lower.

1371
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:09,920
So what's there?

1372
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:11,440
Is there a parameter?

1373
01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:13,040
Like how long does the list go?

1374
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:15,200
Each one is different.

1375
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:18,800
So I will let you know like this one is and this will go.

1376
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:22,080
Do you want to go first or second chip on guessing?

1377
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:23,760
Yeah, let's go.

1378
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:24,240
Why not?

1379
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:24,720
Yeah, baby.

1380
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:25,360
Let's do it.

1381
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:27,920
I have everything to lose here.

1382
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:34,880
You know, so out of this list is the best movies of 2002.

1383
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:39,760
There are 152 movies on this list.

1384
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:47,360
I want you to tell me where the ring lies on the list of 152 best movies 2002.

1385
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:48,480
Number one being the best.

1386
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:51,360
Number 152 being the worst.

1387
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:57,200
With no information regarding like what other films were out at the time, right?

1388
01:50:57,200 --> 01:51:01,200
I'm not, I don't get any kind of like what if you can guess number one,

1389
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:03,200
I'll give you another point or two.

1390
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:06,800
No, I'm so bad.

1391
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:07,600
I'm so bad.

1392
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:09,280
I can barely remember what I did last week.

1393
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:15,120
I'm going to go with I'm actually going to kind of high here.

1394
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:18,400
The number 28 stands out to me.

1395
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:19,440
Okay.

1396
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:20,960
Okay.

1397
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:22,000
I'm going to say lower.

1398
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:24,400
You think it's lower than 28.

1399
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:26,160
Meaning better.

1400
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:29,440
You would be right, Brandon.

1401
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:32,640
It is number 11.

1402
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:34,160
Wow.

1403
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:36,640
Oh, 11.

1404
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:37,200
We know.

1405
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:39,040
No, I meant it was going to be lower.

1406
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:41,120
I was saying worse.

1407
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:41,600
I should have.

1408
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:42,800
Yeah, that's clear.

1409
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:47,040
So you meant it was going to be higher and the yeah, I need to clarify that.

1410
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:47,440
Huh?

1411
01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:51,040
So I meant it would be lower than what you said.

1412
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,040
So it'd be a worse movie.

1413
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:53,360
Right.

1414
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:56,320
Okay, so Chip does get the point then because it is 11.

1415
01:51:57,440 --> 01:51:57,920
Wow.

1416
01:51:58,720 --> 01:52:00,960
And I guess that makes sense.

1417
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:03,760
I should have said higher because it was such a successful movie.

1418
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,320
Would anyone like to guess what number one was?

1419
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:07,920
I don't want to go through.

1420
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,360
Oh my God.

1421
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:10,320
Can you give us some hints?

1422
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:13,120
It is the second one in the trilogy.

1423
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:14,880
Lord of the Rings.

1424
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:15,760
Correct.

1425
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:19,200
Two Towers is number one for 2002 on this list.

1426
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:22,640
But we'll give Chip that point

1427
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:24,720
and we'll move on first one to three.

1428
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:28,240
We'll say let's let's do another one here.

1429
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:30,400
Let's go with.

1430
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:33,280
Oh, I like this list.

1431
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:38,880
Pretty good horror movies that make everyday activities terrifying.

1432
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:49,200
So there are 15 movies on this list and the activity for the ring is watching movies.

1433
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:57,440
So Brandon on the list of 15 activities from movies.

1434
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:01,440
You say number five.

1435
01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:02,240
All right.

1436
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:03,040
Number five.

1437
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:07,120
Now, Chip, do you think that's better or worse?

1438
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:08,720
I'll say we'll do better or worse.

1439
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:10,960
That'll make it clear than five.

1440
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:14,480
I think I think it's going to be.

1441
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:20,160
I think it's going to be if we're going on a ranking system,

1442
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:22,560
I think that it's going to be scarier.

1443
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:26,880
So like higher than five or lower or better.

1444
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:27,280
Right.

1445
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:28,320
I think it'll be one through four.

1446
01:53:28,320 --> 01:53:29,920
I think that'll be the best terminology.

1447
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:30,160
All right.

1448
01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:34,400
So you think it might be like, yeah, rather than five, you'll think it'd be one through four.

1449
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:38,800
Well, you would be correct because it is number three.

1450
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:40,560
Oh, man.

1451
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:44,160
In pretty good horror movies, I make everyday activities terrifying.

1452
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:46,880
Now, does anyone want to guess what I do?

1453
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:47,920
I don't think you guys will get it.

1454
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:53,440
I'll just tell you it's showering, which you would think, hey, maybe psycho.

1455
01:53:53,440 --> 01:53:55,680
No, psycho arachnophobia.

1456
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:57,680
Well, weird.

1457
01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:59,680
It's so weird.

1458
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:01,680
Yeah.

1459
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:06,800
We're just driving behind a semi-tracker trailer with a bunch of logs on it.

1460
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:07,600
Frank.

1461
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:12,400
Frank. Oh, well, we have just dual number five for driving

1462
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:15,680
because you're scared of that big truck that's chasing you.

1463
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:19,600
Mother is number eight for having guests over.

1464
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:22,480
Oh, funny.

1465
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:24,880
It follows as 10 for sex.

1466
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:27,360
Let's see.

1467
01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:28,800
Yeah.

1468
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:33,200
There's some scary movies out here.

1469
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:34,320
I've not heard of recorders.

1470
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:34,960
A funny side.

1471
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,560
Right.

1472
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:38,000
All right.

1473
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,080
So we got another point for chip.

1474
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:42,000
So we're going to three.

1475
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:43,040
Here we go.

1476
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:46,320
Let's see if if Brandon can pull it out here.

1477
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:48,640
Clean sweep here.

1478
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:50,080
Oh, I don't know.

1479
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:53,440
Let's go with.

1480
01:54:57,200 --> 01:55:01,920
Non R rated horror movies as scary as anything with Gore.

1481
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,320
Another list of 15.

1482
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:11,360
So, Chip, where do you think the ring ranks for non R rated horror movies

1483
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:14,080
as scary as anything with Gore?

1484
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:19,120
Like Boar is like any bloody movies or.

1485
01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:23,200
Just pretty much like the scariest PG-13 movie kind of is what this list is getting.

1486
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:25,120
Maybe kind of is what this list is getting.

1487
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:34,800
I'm going to say.

1488
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:36,720
Three.

1489
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:37,840
Three.

1490
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:41,520
I'm going to give Brandon a good out here, but I'm missing three.

1491
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:42,320
Three.

1492
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:42,720
OK.

1493
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:46,000
What do you think, Brandon?

1494
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:50,320
Is it better or worse than three out of 15?

1495
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:53,600
Is it one or two or is it four through 15?

1496
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:55,040
Worse.

1497
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:57,440
So four through 15.

1498
01:55:58,560 --> 01:55:59,440
You would be incorrect.

1499
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:00,640
It's number two.

1500
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:01,440
What?

1501
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:05,920
Number one is insidious.

1502
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:08,400
Oh, wow.

1503
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:09,840
Number three, the grudge.

1504
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:11,440
Number four, poltergeist.

1505
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:12,720
Number five, it.

1506
01:56:12,720 --> 01:56:17,120
Number six, the sixth sense appropriately.

1507
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:19,120
Chip clean house.

1508
01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:22,160
Triple hat trick in the bag.

1509
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:24,240
Anything you want to say to your fans?

1510
01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:26,080
Because you're kind of a.

1511
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,480
I think everybody's believing in me.

1512
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:30,480
You know, it's been really fun.

1513
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:36,480
You know, I couldn't do without them, and it really helps me wake up in the morning and.

1514
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:42,480
You know, much like intelligent, I try to wake up in the morning and just this excellence, but.

1515
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:46,800
Sometimes it's hard and I can only do with my fans, so thank you.

1516
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:55,360
But thanks to two of you, especially for having me on and really had a good time last night until I fell asleep watching the movie.

1517
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:07,440
It's a good time and I hope to someday be a guest on your show again and talk about something maybe scarier perhaps or otherwise.

1518
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:10,240
So I think the two of you seriously.

1519
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:12,320
We appreciate you, man.

1520
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:34,160
It's our absolute pleasure and taking taking time out of your day to talk about the ring with a couple couple fellas like us means the world, because it's yeah, it makes us just happy, happy campers to be able to go over the history of movies in a way.

1521
01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:46,880
And this one, I don't know, is representative of the history of movies in my own life because it hit me at a time and to revisit it makes you come to terms with the movie and yourself a little bit.

1522
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:52,560
And then you're able to kind of, yeah, reminisce and bond with with your best buddy.

1523
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,720
So I don't know. It's always always fun for me.

1524
01:57:54,720 --> 01:58:02,400
And it's been fun going through, yeah, more scary movies as well, because it's been more recent venture of ours.

1525
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:05,840
So thank you for for joining us on that.

1526
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:09,360
And man, first fun times.

1527
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:14,000
Brandini, shall we announce our next our next step?

1528
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:19,920
Let us go. Yeah, it is a fantasy action horror movie from 2003.

1529
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:32,160
Just next year, they're doing it again with Underworld with Kate Beckinsale, vampires like and zoos scary.

1530
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:33,200
Let me read the premise here.

1531
01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:40,600
Under the cover of night, vampires engage in an age old battle with their sworn enemies, the Likens, a clan of violent werewolves.

1532
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:47,880
Celine Kate Beckinsale, a vampire orphaned in the wake of a bloody lichen attack, works for the vampire clan as a trained killer.

1533
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:56,720
When the Likens take a mysterious interest in Michael Corvin, Scott Speedman, an exceptional mortal doctor, Celine struggles to save him from Lucian.

1534
01:58:56,720 --> 01:59:02,960
Michael Sheen, a ruthless like and leader, help them on ending the vampire bloodline.

1535
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:06,560
And the score from the critics is 31 percent.

1536
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:09,280
Score from the audience is 79 percent.

1537
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:13,680
Very polarizing. Welcome to the polarized universe there.

1538
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:15,840
Underworld can't wait to have you.

1539
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:20,960
And it's been a true pledge having you there, Chipper risky.

1540
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:28,320
And as a forever guest, I must say, Brandi, what a goddamn amazing host you are, my friend.

1541
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:29,840
Oh, stop you.

1542
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:31,040
Oh, I'm just a guest.

1543
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:32,400
You are just a guest here.

1544
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:35,440
No, I'm just a freaking guest.

1545
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:43,760
If you'd like to watch us live or on twitch.tv slash polarized pod when we decide to record, we stream it live.

1546
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:45,600
Hope you join us for that sometime.

1547
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:48,960
Send us a line at polarized the pod at gmail dot com.

1548
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:52,800
Rate, review, subscribe on wherever you're listening to this, especially Apple Podcasts.

1549
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:53,440
That would be.

1550
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:54,400
Yes, please.

1551
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:54,880
Choice.

1552
01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:58,640
We love you all and we'll see you next time.

1553
01:59:58,640 --> 02:00:00,640
Bye.

1554
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:02,640
Bye.

1555
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:18,640
Hello.