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Hello and welcome to another episode of Polarize Podcast.

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I'm your host, James.

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Welcome back, everybody.

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Welcome any newcomers.

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This is the podcast about polarizing movies, the movies that audiences and critics disagree

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on according to Round Tomatoes.

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Sometimes the audiences love it.

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Sometimes the critics hate it.

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Or vice versa.

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Those are the movies that we love to talk about.

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Today is a special episode.

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It's our second Airnarski movie that we've covered.

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It's The Fountain.

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It is starring Hugh Jackman and Rachel Weiss.

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If you haven't seen it, that's those are the basics.

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It came out, what was the year that this bad boy came out?

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2006, November 22nd.

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Drama, mystery and thriller, romance, sci-fi.

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Those are all that are listed there on the Round Tomatoes and I'd say it is true.

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The premise is a man travels through time on a quest for immortality and to save the

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woman he loves.

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As a 16th century conquistador, Tomas searches for the legendary found of youth.

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As a present day scientist, he desperately struggles to cure the cancer that is killing

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his wife.

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Finally, as a 26th century astronaut in deep space, Tom begins to grasp the mysteries of

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life, love and death.

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And here folks, I can't tell you how happy I am joining you on this episode.

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But nothing makes me happier than introducing you to my conquistador, the Great Brandini.

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Dude, oh, I am happy to be your conquistador on this episode.

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Brandini, the Great Conquistador.

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Yes, the Brandini d'estador.

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You must finish my book.

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Finish my book, please.

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Finish my book, Brandini.

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My conquistador.

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Man.

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That is miter than the sword.

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I am excited about this.

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I'm a big, big excited energy coming from me on this because big, excited.

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Big excited energy.

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This is kind of a special movie.

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Is it not?

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I got that sense from you.

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This is your birthday choice.

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Yeah, let's get let's come out and say that your birthday has already happened.

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But nonetheless, this was the choice for it.

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And this is a movie that has been recommended to me by many of friends of mine that I respect

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their movie opinions.

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I had very casually watched it once before, but remember almost nothing of it.

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And now upon, you know, this viewing with more of a I'm sitting down really paying

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attention.

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I'm taking it all in.

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What a movie it is.

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And I'm excited to talk to you about it, man.

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Me too.

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That's good to hear that you've had people tell you about it because I can't say I know

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many people that, yeah, that hold this one in high regard or remember it.

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You know, Aaron off, you of course is a famed director and has done a lot of interesting

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things for for good or bad, depending on your taste, whatever it may be.

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But whatever he does are big swings.

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And this one was early enough in his career where it hit me at a time where I was, you

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know, trying to get into like requiem for a dream and memento and stuff for the kind

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of the movies that I was looking at these at those directors.

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And of course, Aaron Nowski and Nolan and stuff just kind of like, oh, I can't wait

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to see more of the movies that these guys do.

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And this one was a, I think, slow burn for me in terms of how much I loved and enjoyed

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it because I think the first time I watched it.

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I had this habit of like, I didn't have a TV memory, but I have my laptop and like late

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at night, if I couldn't sleep or something, I just kind of like laying in my bed and watching

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a laptop, you know, the way that Aaron Nowski, I'm sure would have wanted to see it, of course,

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just ripped from some fucking website.

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And then I liked it enough that, and this is another thing of our time, I had an iPod

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video that I figured out before streaming and whatnot that I could down illegally download

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movies and then put them on my video iPod, which was like an 80 gigs on bitch.

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They held a lot of shit.

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And then you could hook it up to the TV via HDMI.

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There was like an HDMI like a plug in for the iPod where you hooked into the iPod and

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then you could plug it into a TV.

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So when I was walking around with my iPod, not only did I have music that I could show

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people, I'd be like, Hey, I have like five of my favorite movies on my iPod and I would

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be going vacation or something and I'd bring the cord and stuff and I could just throw it

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And this was one of those movies I think I downloaded and kind of would revisit and it

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has grown in esteem for me over the years greatly and it has in a way like morphed the

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same way that I've grown.

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I feel like I look at the movies differently as I've grown older and stuff and that the

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movie is about these, these timeless things of humanity that we're constantly dealing

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with of life and death and whatnot.

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I feel like those things and how I look at them has changed over the years too.

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So I would look at this movie as well.

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And I think that's a mark of an important movie in one's life is being able to rewatch

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it and get something new out of it each time.

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And I think I do.

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And it's been a minute since I've seen it, but I have seen it so many times that it was

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able to just kind of wash over me in such a pleasant way that was like, it's been a while

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but I can still kind of cite every scene and just take it in.

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But so you you watched it casually and then you had some friends kind of.

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Well, it was more so my friends were telling me to watch it to the point of somebody must

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have put it on when I was living with a lot of people and.

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Oh, you had someone like me.

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Someone like me.

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Oh, I brought my iPod in this cable.

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Here you go.

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Because this is definitely a college movie for me.

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Like I didn't watch it when it came out.

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It wasn't until like a couple years later, not too far after because yeah, like I would

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love to spend a lot of time on Darren Aronofsky just as a whole because I think having now

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seen this movie, it colors my opinion about him or it adds a lot more context to him.

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That was it's similar to we, you know, I just recently watched.

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Magnolia and to.

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See a movie from a director that I really like by and large, but that's a blind spot

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for me.

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So then for light to be shed on this, you know, another movie in their filmography to

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then provide some interesting context and just color the overall or provide depth into

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my understanding of the directors that I love because yeah, again, like you mentioned is

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Darren Aronofsky, I feel like is one of our guys for our generation where he made some

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really important movies that.

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They and just by and large, like you said, you know, Christopher Nolan or P.T. Anderson

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or whatever.

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These people, these directors have made movies that really.

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I don't know, like.

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Brought something to my experience that I was like, oh, this is I haven't seen a lot

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of movies like this and it's so interesting how they're tackling this subject matter or

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providing this perspective on life.

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And yeah, it's, you know, for me with Darren Aronofsky, it's definitely a requiem for a

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dream was the first outing for me because it was one of those movies when it came out.

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It was such a huge deal because it's so are and so gritty and so raw.

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So at the time that it came out, you know, I getting into movies, I was starved for

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something beyond the more popular things and something very artsy and a requiem for a dream.

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Especially what you will about that movie, but it is very.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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It just very powerful.

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It has what it what it's tackling and that is really interesting, especially.

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Yeah, when it came out when I first thought I was like, wow, this is this is something.

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Yeah, I'm really interested in and I love this is such a creative director and that

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movie, whatever you say about the subject, the content of it, his his ability to edit,

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direct and construct an artistic visual language within his movie is apparent immediately.

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And like, it's been a long time since I've seen pie, but requiem for a dream for sure

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is as I started there and maybe went back to and watch pie once.

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But don't remember really much about it.

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But requiem for a dream is not something that yeah, it's the whole thing with that movie

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or it says like, you know, you don't want to watch that movie again.

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Definitely worth seeing, but it is rough, but you can see so many bold swings in a practical

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sense in that in that movie, especially, you know, a lot of a lot of the camera work, whether

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it's when they're taking drugs and the quick edits, the refrigerator, the, you know, when

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it's Marlon Wayne's right when he's running and the shaky cam that's or like that's harnessed

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on to him and then the cam cameras are in front of him.

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So you just see hit that interesting point of view and the Ellen Bernstein's performance

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with that refrigerators and shooter McAvon and all that stuff is like harrowing and so

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frightening in such a way.

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And so it makes such a mark on you that you know, you never really forget it.

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And I mean, this movie has that effect on me too.

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I've seen it more times and other other movies of his too.

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But the movies, his movies have a way of really making a mark on you for, yeah, and for better

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or worse.

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And this one, I believe when I was thinking about it, kind of goes into the camp of, yeah,

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Noah and mother, I guess, would be the more religious kind of kind of ones that are, yeah,

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like that are dealing with Christianity directly, of course, his mother and Old Testament and

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everything and more so than I guess in anything, not Christian, but it's way more Old Testament.

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So yeah, where he's coming from.

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Very biblical nonetheless.

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So that's why the comparison to Noah is obviously, you know, an easy connection.

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But you know, what's interesting now, like, I don't know, maybe I did know this at a point,

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but I reacquainted myself with Darren Aronofsky for this movie is that he's an atheist.

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So it's really kind of now knowing that makes more sense because the way that he approaches

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and he often does, like you said, biblical themes and how religion.

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Yeah, like he's mythological.

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He's making it a myth and the modern myth of, you know, of that faith and telling his

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own tale within it the same way that myths have been told over and over again by different

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people and it's changed.

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And that was something that I was a little more resistant to Noah, but that one ended

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up being better in our esteem than we expected.

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Not a perfect movie and it is batshit in a lot of ways, but it's like he is taking that

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big swing and he knows exactly in his head how he wants to do it.

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And it's impressive to see even if it is something like Mother where you're like, this is something

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that is so far out of its own ass in a lot of ways and pretentious, which I think comes

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with the territory with him.

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That it's unattainable.

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Like it's I can't I don't want to touch it with like a thirty nine and a half football

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because it's just it's it's too far above my head as it's as it thinks it is.

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Then I'm like, I don't even want to engage or meet you halfway because you're so far,

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you know, up your own ass.

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I don't want to go up there either with you, but it is worth seeing that movie and this

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one as I've gotten older, it gets close closer to that, but then it never really gets.

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I was going to say, yeah, never gets there for me because maybe I have such a history

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with it, but I know it definitely has those melodramatic and kind of kind of kind of moments

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that that are up its own ass.

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But the way that it is more not completely, but it's a little bit more vague and then

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multi-interpretational, maybe not purposeful either completely with that.

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But that helps me engage with it more rather than mother that's like, yeah, and this is

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like this part.

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It's such straight allegory of like, this is what this part is in the Bible and this

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is Cane and Abel and then all the house or everyone's taken apart on Mother Earth is

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upset.

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And it's just kind of hitting you over the head with it.

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And this one is such a more feelings based sort of sort of thing for me.

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And yeah, I can ramble on and on.

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This is going to be one of those episodes.

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We're off to catch myself because yeah, I do enjoy this movie a lot.

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But my thoughts, even forming them, I find incomplete sometimes because I look at it

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at a new way and I like that it's not, it doesn't really have all the answers there.

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It has the general ones, but everything else is kind of you're just kind of along along

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for the ride.

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But anyways, that's good that you recognize that because I think that why I'm so excited

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and to talk to you about this is because this viewing for me, I was left with, I understand

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that there's these big ideas that are getting played, but I the more often than not, it's

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positing these ideas and whether or not I more often than not, for me, I don't think

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that it gets deep into it.

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It just goes, isn't this an interesting idea?

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But to that point, though, upon reading reviews and looking at how people online have commented

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and just really love this movie, it's it's it's quite something to go on YouTube and

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watch.

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You know, Darren talk about it.

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Other YouTubers talk about this movie and dissect and whatnot.

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And the comment section is like, this is my favorite movie.

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This movie has helped me.

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If you think this movie is boring, you just don't get it.

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And there's such a fervent, you know, cult following behind this movie, which goes, I

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would assume to goes with a lot of his movies because he posits some really interesting

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ideas that I think it does benefit a bit.

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I'll give it some credit that it does benefit a bit by being so not like non specific.

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then allowing the, you know, the viewer to connect with it in whichever way they want

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to meet the film at.

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Or however, it makes sense to them, which is really fascinating because.

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Again, it just, I don't know, I see the pros and the cons of that, of it is good that you

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have something maybe so universal of an idea or so interesting of an idea that people can

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relate to it however they want to.

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stuff because I just feel like he is in this movie in particular because there are other

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movies and I want to talk to continue to talk about Darren Aronofsky about these things

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that he works with because again, just like with this movie, he has there just such a.

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He has a well of ideas that he continues to work through in each one of his movies that

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share a lot of commonality, you know, because I can easily make connections between the

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fountain and even something like Black Swan or the rest.

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Lurie, even though they're not as biblical as mother or Noah, I think there is also

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something a part of this movie, you know, especially the.

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The drive of Hugh Jackman to want to solve problems or this idea of.

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Fixing things, this idea of death is also present in the wrestler, for example, you

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know, I was thinking about it in relation to like trying to make connections to this

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with this movie to that because they are arguably pretty different because of the rest are being

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so so grounded in reality.

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I saw this in the wrestler there.

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The main themes of that is this idea of getting older and coming to terms with reality and

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those are.

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And then that relationship, you know, sounds like the whale as well.

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I haven't seen the whale.

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I've just weirdly been like, I don't know if I want to see this movie.

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You know, just because also too, it's the requiem for a dream of it all where he is

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very capable of.

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Getting into really gross parts of the human psyche and presenting that to you or having

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a pretty pessimistic view on humans as a whole.

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And I think a lot of that too comes out in his really like.

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Kind of crusader ish attitude about the planet and how if you were to ask him, I feel like

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he would say human beings are ruining the planet and we need to do something about it.

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And this idea that human beings are so flawed, so self interested and so destructive because

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a dream, it really hones in on how society offers all of these ills and we as humans

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get, you know, like kind of destroy ourselves in these pursuits and whether they're noble

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pursuits or not is always relatively vague, which is an, you know, a credit to him because

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that also goes into the found where it.

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He operates a little bit and being vague because he, you know, it's because he's way more interested

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in these bigger concepts more often than not, but he's also very capable of bringing that

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down to the ground and going like, you know, like in the fountain, this idea of I have

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the ability to change things and just really destroying yourself in this pursuit of trying

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to fix things and fix the world and yeah, it's just, you see that a lot in all of his

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movies and so again, I just all leave this and say like his prose and his movies are

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very, very interesting.

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reviewing each one of his movies, I think it's, it comes, a lot of it comes down to

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the success of whether or not he makes it, he provides enough depth, provides enough

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of like really how he feels about it as opposed to just this is what this concept is and just

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presenting it to you to take it however you want, you know, and yeah, I don't know.

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It just, I found myself with this movie having somewhat of a hard time because of the fact

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that it isn't really interested in more of like Hugh Jackman and his this idea of why

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he is so like I weirdly enough, I feel like I need more about why he is so hell bent on

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not just that this is the weird part, it's not just saving her, but where does that come

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from for him outside of I guess just the general idea of like all of us are afraid of death

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or all of us are afraid of loss like what I really wanted a lot more of what his what

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is driving him to have these reactions to the situation that we're presented in the

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movie.

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I think.

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Yeah, it was a lot, a lot to take in.

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I'm sorry.

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I think a lot of his characters, obviously, they're the protagonists to have an obsessive

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quality to them.

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And I think the themes beyond that he chooses for different movies and there's there's drug

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use, there's mathematical equations, there's building an arc and hearing God and saving

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people that way and and having like one focus despite whatever one's telling you, there's

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you know, obesity, there's being number one ballerina in the show and and jealousy and

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the rest of the arts like being a leaving a legacy and being obsessed a little bit about

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that of like writing your wrongs and that's I mean that's substance use as well and and

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trying to it's almost like half-hassing the 12th program or something a little bit in

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that we're just trying to make amends before and and accepting.

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Yeah, that movie is extremely dark as with the whale and everything and I think there

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is this shining light of humanity as well.

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I think a lot of it is showing the darkness for sure.

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The difference with this movie, I'll say, I think there is a lot of familial drama between

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people in his movies.

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The one with the I think the difference with this one, I think that is successful for me

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is the romantic relationship between Hugh Jackman and Rachel Weiss and that goes a long way

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for me in terms of maybe what you're talking about of not having enough for this obsessive

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quality of trying to stop his his wife from dying and it is maybe a little convenient

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that he is working on this exact thing in the science lab and but a lot of it plays

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like a like a fable or like a fairy tale or something for me because those kind of convenient

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melodramatic things of him like I got to get back to the lab and work on a cure sort of

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thing is so cut and dry and straightforward that it does kind of lend itself to their

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performances and their chemistry and them having one on one time together, which I just find

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this movie shines in those moments so much and that's when I feel emotional and I care

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about the characters the most in those moments but it is very much like you always work too

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much and you need to embrace the moments and that to me like while he has a hard time with

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that and overall you know beat some self up over and over there is like an optimism in

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this movie of or at least the driving home part of it is like embracing those moments

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and trying and not try to rally against what's inevitable and what is going to happen whether

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you like it or not.

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It comes to a head and I know I like that we're kind of just going kind of broad with

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this movie because yeah this movie still works like almost 100% of the time for me I think

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it comes to a head with me where it almost is there's a little bit of friction for me

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and like much later watches is the funeral where he very bluntly says like there is a

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cure for death and like we're and I got to find it just like anything death is a disease

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that's a little that was like in more recent watchings that's where that gets a little

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bit too much for me as great as I think Hugh Jackman delivers all of his lines even even

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one like that.

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That's where it's like there's that's where it starts to veer on the like oh I can't I

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can't meet you halfway on that idea but in order for the you know the futuristic side

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of the bubble and the tree and all that to exist that's almost like where his mind would

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have to be and for it to like in like whatever 26th century like and that's what he's you

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know and like that that that is so far out it is almost like a fairy tale and to actually

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think of that as a I like to think of it like straight as a reality if he did defeat death

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and he is in this bubble with her tree form and going to Shibuoba like it's such a such

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such a weird romantic surrealistic thing there and then like the connection with the the

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book and the conquistador I think a lot of people maybe would have issues with that those

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three things all like all over the place because I get a lot more out of it each time I try

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I see those connections between those three three facets of the story and if it was just

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the reality of what's actually happening in the modern age of just his wife dying from

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cancer him not able to accept it and trying to find a cure that would be such a dark depressing

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movie that I couldn't find myself wanting to watch as much as I have had watched the

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reason it does work for me is like as I've been saying is like it's creating a myth out

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of their life like she is writing this this book and and creating a myth and and and romanticizing

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their relationship and their life in this like yeah and the old Spanish inquisition

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which is a funny interesting and it's and having that and then having him finish the

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story and the metatextual elements of that within the movie not not outside and our

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own you know breaking the fourth wall sort of thing but breaking a wall within the movie of

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the way the story ends is how he makes it and you know like I just I love all that kind of

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play with within it and it does come across as like high level art student a lot of this stuff

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where he's not concerned with connecting those dots so tightly but he wants to create a visual

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tapestry for you to kind of sink your teeth into along with the fantastic music but all of that

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stuff goes so far for me I imagine a lot of the people that are polarized positively towards this

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but I could also see that people being just like this is why are we jumping so much in between

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all this and what does this other other stuff mean and uh any of you who do know what it means

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like why do I care sort of thing but were you frustrated at all with jumping between all those

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yes yeah yeah I was I was frustrated because especially with the what is it it's in what year

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the future version we'll just call him the space I think in that little synopsis on round tomatoes

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are right at the beginning it said like 26th century or something like that gotcha that stuff

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ended up bugging me quite a bit um I could see that bugging a lot of people yeah because

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especially the way that it ends it really isn't necessary in in my mind if I could just

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just kind of do a little rewrite if I if I were to approach this if I this is what would have made

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it better for me is the fact that he ends up completing the story love that motif of him

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reconciling with this loss by him finishing her story love love love that idea but you also get

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quite a bit of resolution and I'm really kind of okay with how the conquistador side ends

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in communicating the broader thesis and all of the space travel stuff is way too heady and makes

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it very confusing at times where because it wasn't clear at all that he's a the same person as his

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present the present version of them and be that it's a spaceship that's traveling like none of that

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really is clear so the fact that the conquistador timeline resolves in the same

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like point I just honestly I could say do without the future version of him and just keep it present

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and conquistador because again as a big swamp thing fan of the comic series it deals so much in

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this idea that I really love and take to heart and view the world a little bit in this way is

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I think because I'm an atheist as well this idea of the afterlife is you going back into like you

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going back into the end of the cycle you be like the way that the movie communicates the end of his

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of the conquistador timeline is that actually the fountain of you this you returning to the earth

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which then is you living forever because the earth continues to live on after you and that idea is

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really great but all of the more Buddhist leaning future stuff is really I don't yeah it just I didn't

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love it I I really didn't I think you could have achieved the same effect by just having the present

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and the and the conquistador story because also to how strongly those are linked and the future

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version has so little connection like actual connection you know because like what I mean is

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the conquistador story is written by Rachel wise in a story so that has a clear connection to the

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present the future version doesn't it is all just self-serving of this self-actualization message

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that the movie is trafficking in because what it's okay I'm gonna just pause at what I think

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she talks about Shubhoba she does which yes she does you know but yeah um I don't know if she

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was thinking that bubble man is gonna travel with tree spaceship tubes you know it's that's yeah um

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um anyways yeah I love how that comes to fruition and it is like heady is a great way to put it

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and it is like and it is asking a lot I think of of the audience but the visual payoff and the and

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the cut cuts to that are I don't know it is a for a come to fruition of if you succeed yeah if you

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succeed in defeating death and this is this is what you're left with is such a far out concept in

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Aronofsky's head and the visual way that he's going to sell it uh is weird and is weird I'm sure

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for a lot of people and when it and when it escalates at the end of him you know going into his

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pose and opening his third eye and blasting off into Shubhoba is probably where a lot of people are

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like what is I just saw a man I just saw a man drinking tree sap and turned into bushes and now

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I'm seeing a man like launched into the into a dying star but I just think it's uh yeah just a

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strangely obscurely beautiful in in a in a way that I can understand is is pretentious as as well

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like as with a lot of his things and and and knowing what you sign up for for one of his movies

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but I just find it yeah I find it so beautiful when the they talk about death being the road to

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awe and love that and like the end of that and him seeing you know the hairs on the tree and

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then understanding like he's gonna die now going to the going to Shubhoba with the with her and

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everything is like it doesn't it doesn't meet you halfway in that sense either where it's like

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helping you a lot with understanding maybe what's happening or why this is important or

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already even how it connects uh to the modern Hugh Jackman that all that stuff is is extremely

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visual because the way this movie begins as well is like already you're you're going into it as

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it's already happening especially the conquistador is like a key part is kind of the climax of the

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movie is where you're starting and the conquistador storyline is like them actually finding it for

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the first time approaching him seeing the the sort of flaming sword but that whole transition with

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him being bald in the office and then having hair and that constant mirroring of that scene

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tells you a little clue at least of of something and then the pen you know and tattooing and

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and all that stuff and planning planning the tree and him everyone like constantly looking up at

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at Shubhoba but uh the the payoff for that I can completely understand not being for everybody

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I completely get it the book the book thing is like almost like a classic like that's just a

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like that could be in a romantic drama as well just that storyline of called you know of her

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dying writing a story and leaving the husband like you could have Nicholas Sparks write that and

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get in a completely different fucking way but this is what this is what makes it high art Brandon

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this is what makes it high art and that but that's what I'm in conflict with because

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is while I was watching the movie I was constantly like high fart the it's high farting it's the plot

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of this is getting so it's getting so uh the plot doesn't matter it's moving so far away from a

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linear plot and it's getting so into just concepts that I really ended up being frustrated with it

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because of again it is it is so clearly idea over any semblance of trying to make this functional

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you know yes it very much has like a blank check feeling to it where these are ideas that I'm

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wrestling with I don't really give a damn whether or not this makes sense from a plotting standpoint

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I just want to present these very strong visuals which I'll agree that the future version of

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Hugh Jackman all of that stuff visually is very very cool looks so cool looks very cool but it's

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served so little of the plotting to me that I constantly was like I don't know if I love this

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I I get what it's doing but I don't know if I love this because of the fact that it's so it's so

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about the idea and has very little regard for this character or the characters in the story as a whole

432
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:54,120
you know moving from point A to point B it's weird to say because typically yeah I feel like

433
00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,360
when this movie came out it probably would have hit me harder because I was more of the mindset

434
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:07,480
as a younger person that I'm presented with very heady concepts and respecting that more so than

435
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:14,600
the alternative which is so linear so formulaic and and and really despising that to a degree because

436
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:24,040
I'm like this is such a trider so uh you know uh yeah it's such a stereotypical story but I wasn't

437
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,440
crazy about the tree thing like the him turning into bushes the first time I saw it I was like oh

438
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:33,720
this white tree sap oh he's turning a bit whoa I was just so caught off guard I wasn't sure I wasn't

439
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:37,560
sure how to feel about it I should say I wasn't sure if I didn't like I was just like whoa I did

440
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:43,480
not expect that then that whole ending like last 15 minutes it's just kind of like whoa and this is

441
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:51,560
kind of the Clint Mansell music I really got to bring up again is something that drives the movie in

442
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:58,680
a lot of the like the ways that Requiem for a Dream that his famous motif kind of Requiem song

443
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:06,280
and that movie is built so much in that third act and that final climactic moment of Requiem that

444
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:13,800
this in a way echoes that that same arc of of the of the score in the in the movie I feel like there

445
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:19,000
were ways that he would use different sonic qualities depending on if he was in the future world

446
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,920
or if he was in Conquistorland maybe a little bit I felt like a little bit more strings and a little

447
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,600
bit more synth and the future stuff but I don't know it was tough to say I just that that final

448
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:35,080
you know sweet whatever you would call in that in the in the song when everything is is really

449
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:44,920
transcending and ascending and coalescing and and and flowering and all that stuff is is something

450
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:53,000
that blinds me maybe from worrying about some of those things where I'm just I'm so emotionally

451
00:39:53,000 --> 00:40:04,280
caught up in the visual aspect of it and really enjoy it just as as a visual sort of thing to

452
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:11,480
live in I feel like I live in this movie when I when I'm in it and somehow it's a strange thing

453
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:19,400
we're like it's an hour and a half long and in a and in a way that I don't think is bad it feels

454
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:25,880
longer and I like that it's it feels very densely packed to me it feels like every everything kind

455
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:33,000
of matters in the movie to me I feel like there isn't any sort of space that like I feel like

456
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,760
everything is important to me in the movie and I mean that's just someone who's seen it enough that

457
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:43,640
it's like oh this scene oh I love this you know as the movie's going on it's and the visual parallels

458
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:50,600
that he's able to do with the camera is something that regardless of whatever movie he's making is

459
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:57,240
just he's such he's so good with the fucking camera and I love the practical effects of the

460
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:02,840
snow on the when he looks at the the ceiling and having that be shebola having that be them

461
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:08,120
thing that they look into the microscope of that's how it looks in the microscope from oh give me

462
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:13,320
that sample from South America oh yeah Central America oh yeah that's where it's a little it's

463
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,680
you know it's a little hooky yeah I get it there's a lot of that I would love to now take this time

464
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:23,960
now that you presented it to oh finish your point I'm sorry oh that's it yeah like that those that's

465
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:30,440
all just like the visual the visual parallels are so cool such interesting fun creative ways of

466
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,960
doing the movie I think I think the lighting is is is really great I love the one just a few of the

467
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,400
shots I mean the when he's walking into the apartment it it so close it closes in on a

468
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,320
picture that's in a frame on the wall and it's playing on this background jungle noise and

469
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,160
you think it's going into conquistador land but then it zooms out and it's the apartment

470
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:57,240
that they live in or the house and he walks in and yeah like that that kind of stuff is

471
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:07,400
kind of stuff is it's so satisfying to me it's very satisfying I mean I love as well but yeah I had

472
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:13,800
a feeling that this is how this conversation would go to is that I had that you were going to

473
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,000
with history of it be able to accept a lot of the

474
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:30,520
themes of it over the logistics of it yeah and it's one of those for and yeah and for me I had a hard time

475
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,960
not thinking about the logistics of it you get the plot location so on and so forth because

476
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:48,120
yeah this movie is so sparse and I and the reason of it is reading about it is so

477
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,720
originally this was going to be a much bigger movie it was going to have like more like

478
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:57,240
conquistador battles way more blank check way more blank check you're going to get the

479
00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:01,480
Benjamin Button cast you're going to get Brad Pitt and Kate Brunchett and Brunchett oh man

480
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:07,000
what a man Brad Pitt was like no spank you I do not agree with this Aaron Aske fellow yeah

481
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:14,920
I've yeah I've heard he's kind of a kind of a pill but so like the logistics of it for me

482
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:23,160
was a little confusing and took me out of it where the way the movie is edited and the way it

483
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:32,200
moves through itself is he is in this underground lab then there's also a hospital that she goes to

484
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:37,880
then there's a house that they're at and then when there's the funeral you see that maybe those two

485
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:44,040
places are next not the hospital but the lab and his place are next to each other out in the middle

486
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:51,240
of nowhere and I didn't get that that was Ellen Bursine's farm oh is it okay yeah so she was like

487
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:56,760
telling him okay I like in the hospital like oh I want to like she said I can be buried at her

488
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,880
farm and he gets all mad oh I'm I guess I missed that because I yeah I was just trying to see

489
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:10,360
this movie many times I apologize but the logistics of it where yeah and also too this movie is so

490
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:16,360
incredibly dark to the point where there's a lot of like conquistador stuff for sure light

491
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:25,080
coming from outside so bright that you can't see outside so be somebody entering into a place

492
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,600
and you can't even see what's out there because it's so bright and then the movie is so dark

493
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:37,720
so fucking dark every scene like even in the lab it's like so many shadows and everybody's

494
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:42,920
just kind of operating in this I like that lighting I don't know yeah I like all of the orange hue and

495
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,840
a lot of gold yeah which is cool I love this thematic element of that the blinds are kind of

496
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,640
drawn and then yeah you open the the door and it's like harsh white kind of light outside in

497
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,360
so he's and he's and this is something that's overplayed a lot as much as I love it but yeah

498
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,080
he's darkness and she's light you know oh that's such a guy and she's all snowy and she's wearing

499
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:14,200
white he's wearing dark he's in this little shadowy place yeah again that's you I and I love this

500
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,200
I give it so much credit I understand yeah a lot of people they're like you give it so much

501
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:26,280
good into the theme of it and I understand I do like I totally do yeah it's because to me it just

502
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:34,680
yeah there's no real establishing shots of anything everybody just exists in these caves

503
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:43,640
and or hospitals and yeah it just it's true yeah there's it's just the driving like the upside

504
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:49,800
down to the horse riding or the upside down to the car driving or the upside down to the bubble

505
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:56,920
going is really the only yeah like shot of like outside and even when he's driving in that road

506
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,720
there's like no one on the on the road or anything but and that makes me think this movie was story

507
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:07,800
boarded heavily there's a lot about it that Aaron off yeah I feel like had in his brain of how he

508
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,400
exactly wanted to look at least like the visual parallels of all that stuff I can picture him

509
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:19,240
storyboarding that very specifically oh sure and yeah and there's so many parts about this

510
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:25,240
movie that are very storyboarded because it is so concise in things it's like

511
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,680
transitions transitions it's like okay here's this thing here's that thing and it just it

512
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:39,560
yeah again hour 30 love that it doesn't overstay it's welcome for me but yeah again I just end up

513
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:45,880
you know very little about all the other players outside of them there's also two and you'd mention

514
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,160
this and something that I think too at this age that I'm watching it I had a hard time with this

515
00:46:51,160 --> 00:47:02,680
this idea that a scientist would be so in like have the perspective that solving death is his

516
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:08,760
is like a motive of his yeah because I feel like any scientist you would talk to would talk to

517
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:15,560
would be like so matter of fact about how death is a part of life and you're when you're trying to

518
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:24,040
approach solving a problem in a scientific sense you're not trying to yeah like the idea is to make

519
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,360
people last longer like I would assume that actually a lot of scientists would be detrimental to

520
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:35,320
society yeah like that's not the goal the goal would be you know yes we like if anything we want

521
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:42,440
to eliminate suffering in later in in the back half of all of our lives that I could understand

522
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:51,000
being a pursuit but being so like hell bent on no we need to solve this death problem just seems

523
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:59,320
not very scientific at all and is so again about the themes of it sure but when you think about

524
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:05,480
these being real people or like because again I just I guess I got pretty heavily wrapped up in

525
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:12,680
how ungrounded the plotting and the people the characters in this movie end up being they just

526
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:20,200
are all serving and not even all of them most of them are so shallow like all of the external

527
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:26,920
characters all those other scientists and stuff like that really don't have there's not any time

528
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,560
spent with them so you really don't understand what their kind of involvement or their motives are

529
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:39,000
that would apply to a conflict or apply a different perspective to like how somebody else would view

530
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,760
this situation there's none of that it is so it's so laser for burn scene at least

531
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:54,600
yeah but even then I feel like all the lines that she's given is you're tired like you need to calm

532
00:48:54,600 --> 00:49:00,120
down you know that kind of thing and it's not there's never a moment where Ellen Bernstein is

533
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:06,600
talking to somebody else other than Hugh Jackman about Hugh Jackman for example or what this means

534
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:13,320
if we were to find a cure for death which then goes into my issue with the future version of him

535
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:19,320
where there's nothing really to give you this there's not yeah there's so so so little to

536
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:26,760
explain or to at least provide a level of understanding as to why

537
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:34,680
why now he is able to live forever and then what that means for the rest of society it's just so

538
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:44,520
insular it's like if the movie presents itself as being like only he figured out the how to prevent

539
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:52,600
death but then again it's only about him you know which again I can under like it serves a bigger

540
00:49:52,600 --> 00:50:00,200
theme but the plotting and the logistics of this movie yeah that's where like yeah what you described

541
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,480
I wouldn't really enjoy that movie it sounds like the stuff that you're describing that you want in

542
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:14,920
the movie isn't something that I want or need and actually I find would make those other things mean

543
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:25,800
less in a way that like it it I I actively don't want some of those answers and having the ability

544
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:31,800
to think about it myself and for my own opinion on what happened there amazing yeah in between

545
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:39,000
those things and why he's in this position and how it got here is like his dream like for me it like

546
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,960
it puts it puts me in a place of like think of creatively hashing it out in my own brain of what

547
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:52,200
I possibly think might have happened and getting into the logistics of that in this movie doesn't

548
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,880
sound like something that this movie even itself wants or needs in my mind yeah and I can see how

549
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:05,640
somebody would want that movie and would want that experience and going into this is more answers and

550
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:13,880
more a lot of questions as to why as that's why these things are happening and how we got here

551
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:21,080
and and all of that and like having a lot of exterior characters having outside scenes

552
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:28,920
apart from Hugh Jacken Rachel Weiss the insular nature of of the movie and having it be so

553
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:34,920
so much it really is he's in every scene there isn't a scene without him or her or both.

554
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,720
Cater's in my mind to the fairy tale nature the fable nature like the way that the conquistador

555
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:47,320
feels like it is written in a create like a like it's a it's a story that you'd read in a book

556
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:55,800
it ends up making the modern story if you like that as well as the futuristic story and it comes

557
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:03,880
across as myth to me rather than a hard sci-fi it's like it's more it's more fantasy and

558
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:11,800
the romantic nature of it probably

559
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:19,000
like I can I vouch for that and that probably like that vouches for maybe a lot of the

560
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:28,200
things that don't make sense or don't have any sort of logical basis or sort of explanation to it

561
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,360
the thing that does frustrate me the in more like the later watchings of this movie is some

562
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:40,920
of the stuff with the modern Hugh Jackman and and his whole rage against Seth as we mentioned a

563
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:50,200
couple times I do like the idea like his whole like vibe and his whole like energy like his energy

564
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:59,240
towards everybody and towards his work and towards her explains it as well in a lot of ways of just

565
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:06,040
how he comes off to people and how closed off everyone is like kind of explains enough of

566
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:17,240
like what's going on and it's something that is going to be a very subjective thing in a

567
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:24,280
movie like this that doesn't give you a lot in those departments that you that you just mentioned I

568
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:30,680
think and while it isn't something as like surreal as like a David Lynch movie or something

569
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:37,000
those kind of aspects of the futuristic stuff like makes me feel like I'm in that sort of space

570
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:45,000
where like this guy is a great artist and he had this idea of a visual thing that he thought was

571
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,680
important enough and strong enough of a visual idea that people would accept it in their own way of

572
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:58,280
of a storytelling tactic within this world but it is a bold swing it's a big fucking swing

573
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:03,960
and he must have known that it was not going to work for work for everybody at least Brad Pitt

574
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:12,360
so I yeah I give in definitely to this being a movie that not everyone wanted to see this

575
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:23,320
version of it and how it played out because it the structurally is an orthodox in terms of like a big

576
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:28,920
in terms of like a big a big movie like it's an unorthodox way of making a movie of like

577
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:36,280
essentially three vignettes that the way that they are tied together I think is a lot of issues

578
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:44,040
are derived from there as well but for me that last 15 minutes how it kind of all comes together

579
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:53,480
there yeah it makes me satisfied but yeah hey no I mean that's a great explanation as to why you

580
00:54:53,480 --> 00:55:03,000
like this movie and it also just paints a light of like how it is successful on another in what

581
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:09,800
it's doing like it really reached you where it was because what I hear from what you just said is that

582
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:16,840
that you don't need to like you enjoy the idea of what this movie is communicating and trafficking

583
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,440
in enough where you don't need the specifics you're just so enthralled by what it's making you think

584
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:29,800
about and the fact that the movie understands that and doesn't need it doesn't feel the need to be

585
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:38,200
more grounded or have what I what I would say too though is there's just very little

586
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:45,720
challenge like not having other characters talk about things or providing more color and plotting

587
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:54,680
it creates less friction and allows the idea to just be the idea it's a huge act man really yes

588
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:01,480
he's getting challenged a little bit by Ellen Bernstein but that's not really like she's pretty

589
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:06,280
much kind of on board with a lot of what's going on she'll be like oh it's pissed off at I mean the

590
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:11,160
whole like because of the whole conflict there whatever is like the the tumor and it's not going

591
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:16,120
down and then it's the monkey's like essentially de-aging and going back to a younger younger

592
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:21,480
self and in its brain but he's not happy because the tumor is not not going down as the but there's

593
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,040
yeah there's only a couple scenes that really show that show that conflict and everyone's so stoked on

594
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,280
that but he's stifling the real progress because he wants to just work on this one thing and then

595
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:37,480
then he finds out that the tumor actually goes the tumor actually goes down and it's too late

596
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:44,200
it's so sad to me it's a very sad it's a very fucking sad it's a very sad like the the thrust

597
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:53,000
of the main story is is fucking sad but also yeah and and we've we've casually mentioned it but

598
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,920
the thing that goes a long way for me yeah I mean Hugh Jackman Rachel Weiss I think they're at like

599
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:04,280
their prime here yeah like they're performance wise and uh looks wise for both of them I mean come on

600
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:11,000
they look so good though I mean and the wardrobe of like the conquistador scene of him walking in

601
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:18,760
with all the candles and her behind that like leafy cage door as she's like talking to him and then

602
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,240
they're talking about going on this quest like is is one of my favorite scenes and that kind of stuff

603
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:28,280
it just looks like a cool fucking like music video or just like perfume

604
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:39,320
Chanel perfume ad yeah totally she just looks so fucking beautiful and like the and when like

605
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:44,760
the light comes in and it's just like bright white on her and then yeah and the candles look like

606
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:51,240
stars there's all the in all this visual imagery in the the bathtub scene I think is just devastatingly

607
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:57,400
uh so sad and and their performance of that is something in a movie that has such a big high

608
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:06,680
concept ideas going at it there's a scene of them in a bathtub just very human dramatic sad scene of

609
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:13,240
of uh of something that is that is base level just I think a really good dramatic scene whatever

610
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:19,560
movie you put it in and to have that that thrust of a of a modern sad sort of thing and then

611
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:27,320
and flavor it with the this this stuff I think is is a is the move that this movie went and it's

612
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,360
it's interesting it's not what you would expect from a movie about the fountains of youth

613
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:38,760
no and yeah just to my only point to the to that is I I totally agree with you and I it just shows

614
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:45,000
Rachel wise is really my the star of this movie for me because I think she is able to because

615
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,960
like I've communicated having a problem with this not being grounded enough is she grounds the movie

616
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:55,640
in every which way she really provides a lot of like this is like bringing us back this is the

617
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,520
problem that is happening this is the conflict that is happening and she is incredible uh she

618
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:07,640
really understands the assignment and she brings so much of like this hurt this pain this understanding

619
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:17,000
this coming to terms with her own death so yeah it's just so well I mean love her she's the best

620
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,400
there's like a multitude of emotions that she portrays and like the whole like asking him to

621
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:27,400
come take a walk is like she's in such a state of zen of acceptance and he's quite the opposite of

622
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:35,800
denial denial denial and seeing those those two interact uh I yeah I give a lot of credit to

623
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:44,120
to both of them but she comes across so effortless so effortless Hugh Jackman I think is this era you

624
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:53,560
know of him and doing like things like prisoners and um 38 in this movie the prestige is is around

625
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:59,480
this time and these are just some of yeah some of my favorite movies performances and uh he brings

626
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,400
he brings a brings a weight to it when he has to you know have those those breakdowns and

627
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:09,000
and yeah in the cost like the wardrobe man like him there's a little conch he's a little conch

628
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:14,680
he's doing with his little hat oh it's so great his facial hair and stuff there her dress and that

629
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:20,840
scene of course as I mentioned and uh yeah and the constant black and black and white symbology of

630
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:28,600
all that stuff is very obvious but I do I do love uh a lot as as well so I don't know I think we're

631
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:34,200
barreling to the end here let's take a look at my notes here and see if there's um much before we

632
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:41,080
before we get into notes can we take a quick little break yeah uh I can I can make this quick

633
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,000
and then we can do that before oh no no I don't want to rush it yeah I just yeah I wanted to take a

634
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:54,440
little review let's let's walk our ppk it up we'll be right back okay we're back welcome back everybody

635
01:00:54,440 --> 01:01:00,760
you are your host James and we got some news we're gonna talk about some reviews

636
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:11,160
what if this is my voice the whole time oh my goodness can you imagine uh can you imagine a

637
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:20,120
dagger map that was cool with the the fire and the yeah I don't like I don't like you know what

638
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:26,680
it made me think of is that uh no was it the rise of Skywalker yeah I was like wow it's so convenient

639
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:32,200
rise of Skywalker is so much worse but it is a dagger map situation I understand they're both

640
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:37,960
dagger map situations but then it is so much worse I like I just love the I don't know the there's

641
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:42,360
always threes there's a lot of threes of things and the three and then there's in the middle and

642
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,960
then they look up at the stars when they're there and like oh Shabala's in the middle of out there

643
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:52,440
too I love how much you love this movie it's the best I feel like a beryk by soul it's rough

644
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:59,240
out here folks but if there's any for found lovers make sure you give us some love out there or give

645
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:04,600
me some love for my birthday it's my birthday pick it's your birthday yeah there's a breaking

646
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:08,760
bad actor he's cool I like his voice a lot even though he doesn't really speak and breaking bad and

647
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:14,760
you know better call so you know better call so um yeah the candles as the stars the ring holder

648
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:21,240
that she has in the my con in like the Spanish Inquisition scene that she gives him she unhooks

649
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:28,040
the little ring is I just love that little details is so great and then he's got you mentioned I think

650
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:33,800
before we recorded the little pouch that he carries it smells her hair and stuff like that too and

651
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,880
then I just love when he smells it there's just like that bright white vision of her each time he

652
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:44,440
he gets that scent um death as an act of creation yeah there's just those those big

653
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,920
moments of dialogue that I that I like that are very heady and how they speak of things but

654
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:55,720
yeah I'm all here for it um the silent walking shot after he goes to the hospital to visit her

655
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:02,680
I think is something that is yeah is is artsy and cool in a way that you get his his mood you

656
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,840
know you remember that where he's walking out the ambulance is going by it's all silent you just

657
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,960
hear his footsteps and then you see and you see like the sparks from people doing construction and

658
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:17,960
you just don't hear any of it and you just and you just walk over it gets run over I don't know

659
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,920
just like that something so gnarly has happened to you or something's traumatic has happened to you

660
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:28,760
and everything just kind of washes out I like uh sound design choice and even when he's yeah and

661
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,600
then he's in like the elevator I think to the hospital the other time and he's like just looking

662
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:38,760
at the pattern of the elevator elevator stuff like yeah it's just artsy stuff that's able to hold on

663
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:43,560
things that's not this is a crazy comparison but stuff like I don't know like Michael Bay or

664
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:48,360
shit like that or it's just like we gotta cut because that means it's better if we have more

665
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:55,880
cuts that means it's a better thing and it's the it's some some courage to it's me and yeah and

666
01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:01,560
show these uh yeah kind of obscure things that are just there to kind of be a flavor

667
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:06,840
um the x-ray shot where like he's they show him the x-rays like because they're still a tumor and

668
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:12,120
then goes through the x-ray and it shows his face kind of change of scenes still seeing the the tumor

669
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:17,800
there there's a really quick creative things like that that are they're so fun death is the road to

670
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:24,200
ah yeah and then the third eye at the end yeah it's I like the first half of this movie at least

671
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,400
I was just sitting there and just taking it all and I was like oh I should probably write some stuff

672
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:32,280
down because as it was happening it was just like yeah I know I know this so well it just is like a

673
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:39,320
part of me now and so this is uh this has been that conversation of just like hard to rip look at it

674
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:47,400
as a fucking movie even you know it's it's just a it's a part of you right no and I mean yeah

675
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:52,920
absolutely I mean first and foremost that absolutely we all have those movies and then also too I mean

676
01:04:52,920 --> 01:05:00,760
you made salient points about why you enjoy the what this movie is about that's great

677
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:07,320
yeah I and I think we both understand each other side this is I think there's been

678
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:13,560
a good convo I think we should hear from some of these critics and audiences that we've that

679
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:21,480
have brought us here today from the rotten tomatoes it's a 53 percent from the critics say 53 rotten

680
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:30,200
sneaky doop doopey doodoo and a 74 percent from the audience uh freshy fresh for and you know

681
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:36,040
yeah artsy kind of movie it was artsy fartsy uh sort of movie and the audiences are coming out for it

682
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:42,440
but let's hear some critics we'll start with Roger Ebert two and a half out of four I will concede

683
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:48,360
the film is not a great success too many scenes of blinding lights too many transitions for their

684
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:55,000
own sake abrupt changes of tone for Roger Ebert just a little blurred from there

685
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:01,480
Michael Atkinson from sight and sound it's difficult to recall another American film that

686
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:07,800
in pursuing a passionate and personal vision goes so maddingly uproariously wrong

687
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:16,200
Peter Bradshaw guardian there's a strange deadness in the film together with a callow

688
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:21,320
self-importance and self pity which become more stultifying with every minute that passes

689
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,480
there's a part of me that agrees with that yeah

690
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:33,480
Matthew Layland BBC.com first the good news the found is only 97 minutes long now the bad that's

691
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:40,280
97 minutes of rampant metaphysical cod swallow I'm gonna look up cod swallow it's not true

692
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:47,160
we're getting a cod swallow look up here and then we're also gonna get a pronunciation

693
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:53,720
brandini if you're curious I'm gonna I'm gonna see how you pronounce it make sure I got it right

694
01:06:54,760 --> 01:07:01,720
cod swallow where's the definition 1920s and old sense overly talkative woman gossip probably

695
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:08,360
an alteration of cod walloper person who deals in or handles fish also foolish person the current

696
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:12,760
sense was popularized and possibly coined by British writers Alan Simpson and Ray Galton in

697
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:20,200
the comedy series Hancock's half hour in the late 1950s you can see the use over time for quad

698
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:29,000
cod swallow started in the fifth 1950 and had a big big rise in 2019 wow huge rise wow okay wow

699
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:35,720
I think that's a right load of old cod swallow as an example let's hear him say it cod swallow

700
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:45,960
up cod swallow cod swallow cod swallow cod swallow say nana die the doda chode doda jody all right

701
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:52,360
well now we got there let's do maybe one or two more of these critics Keith Phipps AV club

702
01:07:52,360 --> 01:08:01,080
oh wait no no no let's not do that one uh but uh uh Anthony Lane New Yorker the movie may have

703
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,960
significant truths to impart although I have my doubts but it feels too inexperienced too

704
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:11,720
unworldly to have earned the right to them and we finish off with Joe Morgan Cern from Wall Street

705
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:17,800
Journal a tagline has been affixed to the campaign what if you could live forever and it has a

706
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:24,840
certain rent at residence especially after seeing the film which makes 96 minutes seem like an eternity

707
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:32,120
me I'm Joe Morgan Stern I'm Joe Morgan and I'm gonna be premiering my years stand up at

708
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:38,680
the comedy store just weekend if you want to come by I'm just Morgan Stern on Morgan Stern

709
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,760
can you imagine if there was a street called Morgan Stern that'd be great oh my gosh let's

710
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:55,640
hear some positive audience reviews my people see what they have to say from Merriam Tahirpour

711
01:08:55,640 --> 01:09:01,960
five stars absolute beauty this movie resonates with me in an unexplainable way and over and over

712
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:07,000
I come back to it to experience once more and every time it teaches me something new in fact

713
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:11,640
it helped me accept my mortality in a way that hundreds of books or therapy sessions could never

714
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:16,520
do it's a must-watch but in the right time of your life if you're looking for a straightforward

715
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:21,720
movie or a popcorn movie it's definitely not the right choice for you at least I have to say

716
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:27,320
Clint Mansell did an unbelievable job composing soundtracks of this movie really really breathtaking

717
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:36,760
holy shit from Vivimus Aeternum five stars masterpiece this is the only film I would call

718
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:42,760
perfect in every way soundtrack absolutely beautiful acting powerful real emotionally gripping no

719
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:48,440
movie has hit me as hard as this spiritual biblical life changing and a true testament to the never

720
01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:55,000
ending force of love that transcends time and space this movie healed something inside of me wow

721
01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:00,280
I've watched this over 10 times and every time I learn something new or see a new perspective

722
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:04,440
some people won't get this film it took me a few times to understand it fully but sadly some people

723
01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:13,000
are also NPCs dear and air and off he is a genius wow calling out people as NPCs yeah wow Jesus

724
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:21,160
let's go to Carlton McGee another five star found it's dope the movie depicts human life

725
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:26,440
beginning as stars the movie is multi-layered but in my opinion the two important takeaways are in

726
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:31,880
order for one to experience life one has to learn to accept death and reincarnation these characters

727
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:36,840
live through many incarnations it wasn't until the sacrifice occurred that Crio understood that

728
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:43,080
life doesn't exist without death once you're incarnated time begins your fate is sealed Crio

729
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:48,120
spent his life trying to change what is inevitable rather than accepting the reality we will never

730
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:52,680
return to the ben ben or the garden of Eden it has been said that Adam tried to get back to Ben

731
01:10:52,680 --> 01:11:01,880
Ben in hopes the most high would grant him mercy but upon his death was buried with three seeds

732
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:09,000
placed under his tongue from the tree of life peace how is it how is it spelled just Ben Ben

733
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:18,680
to Ben Ben or the garden of Eden oh Ben Ben is a creation myth ancient ancient religions

734
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:25,000
there you go Ben Ben was the mound that arose from the primordial primordial waters new upon

735
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:29,480
which the creator deity attuned settled the ben ben stone is the topstone of the pyramid it is also

736
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:37,480
related to the obelisk god Ben Ben cod swallowp we're on a roll today this is something Carlton

737
01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:44,840
McGee I just the fountain is dope I love that great way to start uh let's do yeah like me one or two

738
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:51,000
more here yeah from yeah keep it going I mean yeah this is I will tell you now if you go I'm the

739
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:56,840
google reviews were a little more tame because if you go on letterbox I will say you hit that five star

740
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:05,880
review button there are legit essays from people that go on for like pages about you just like whole

741
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:13,480
treatments of of the philosophy of this movie you know it's something that I cannot get into here but

742
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:20,680
if you are curious it's there's some real love from people for this for this movie uh from Demos

743
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:26,200
Lara's five stars this is a movie that has ideals about life about death about contemplation of meaning

744
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:31,400
about happiness and sadness about winning and about loss about the struggle to find answers

745
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:37,560
is hard to digest and follow and it needs empathy compassion understanding and in some cases the right

746
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:43,160
age to understand it cinematography is top notch everything just fits is a piece of art

747
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:50,440
uh maybe one more let's let's try one of these uh maybe a shorter letterbox and if there is one

748
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:58,680
uh take a look um yeah here we go from aid five stars dang it's one of those most visually

749
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:04,920
and thematically stunning movies I've seen truly in underappreciated gem there are no words to describe

750
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:12,280
this movie it can't even be compared to any movie in history it's in its own category hey piece of art

751
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:19,000
I'm in awe y'all help I don't know man but I think this is the movie that convinced Hugh Jackman really

752
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:26,840
is a great actor Logan is quaking it's definitely 10 out of 10 wow these are the letterbox counter

753
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:32,280
there's a different this different flavor flavor when you get into letterbox and I kind of I kind

754
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:38,840
of love it um I think we got a a taste for the the fervent you know people are fervent if you will

755
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:44,520
they're fervent they're blurring they're blurring they're swerving they're they're Durgan they're

756
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:51,240
they're everything everything you could possibly put on this movie is out there in this audience

757
01:13:51,240 --> 01:14:00,680
section uh and that I think makes like strengthens strengthens the idea that this was a good uh

758
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:05,800
movie for this podcast and uh I think it definitely fits fits the bill and it's interesting to see

759
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:11,160
a movie that in my mind is yeah as I even said as someone who likes it is pretentious

760
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:16,760
and in a lot of ways like the audience coming out for it and those I those kind of ideas even

761
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:21,880
they say like oh interesting these are pretty lofty ideas but uh usually I don't know you're

762
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:28,360
gonna hear that more from critics a little bit but this one uh it's it's an interesting

763
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:36,040
movie this this one and people's reactions to it and uh yeah I think I'd like to hear

764
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:42,600
what you have to say any final thoughts brandini and uh and it's cool yeah it's a

765
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:52,360
it's interesting to me about the idea from that all the audience members again just the fact that

766
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:57,560
the audience members are the ones standing for it is amazing yeah because this is definitely a

767
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:03,160
situation where you would for sure think it's the other way because critics are all about like

768
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:10,600
introducing heady concepts that challenge people to think differently to look at the world differently

769
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:16,520
whatever because those you know those are the movies that critics will always champion and be

770
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:25,880
behind where this is transcends just an entertainment this has a voice this makes you think um but

771
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:31,080
but again what's interesting to me is the idea that the audience posits where if you don't like

772
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:38,040
this movie you just don't get it and let me just let me just say I get this movie yeah I understand

773
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:45,240
this movie oh yeah I understand the idea especially how clear it is in communicating those ideas and so

774
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:51,800
it's just a little bizarre where I'm like everybody's like has to preface their reviews like if you

775
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:58,200
don't get it then you you know it's like you're an idiot I'm like I get what's going on here and I

776
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:06,920
appreciate a fair amount of what it is making me think about this idea of very very in particular

777
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:13,400
if I were to think about a scene that really got to me is unfortunately it doesn't spend a lot of

778
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:23,960
time on it but anyways uh is Hugh Jackman realizing that it's almost like he in the present knows she's

779
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:30,520
like going to die and that happens on in the back half of the movie and the realization that

780
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:39,400
him working on the cure is robbing him of the time with her and how that is where you should

781
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:46,520
put your focus is not in trying to solve a problem but to enjoy the life that you're given and the

782
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:52,680
movie does well to also communicate that in other parts where it's like in a very heady way with

783
01:16:52,680 --> 01:17:00,200
him drinking the circle of life or not the circle of life the tree of life you you're like almost

784
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:05,800
prepped to believe oh he's going to drink this and almost become like superhuman or he's going to

785
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:13,320
transform to this immortal being but instead the immortal being is just being part of the earth

786
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:20,760
and that's really interesting I love love love that idea because again my religious believes

787
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:27,880
presently is like that's that's the god the god is that concept is that we're all connected

788
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:32,600
and everything is a part of this thing and part of this living and breathing thing and

789
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:39,800
I love that I clear visual communication that you think it's going to be this physical body that's

790
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:48,920
going to exist past this but no it's actually you coming to home and coming back to what this living

791
01:17:49,480 --> 01:17:55,400
thing that is going to outlive all of us and I love these ideas I really do but

792
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:05,320
this is an interesting case for me where it is weirdly too heady and I had a hard time with

793
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:12,840
getting on board with some of the pros of the movie because I felt like they only just presented them

794
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:19,080
to me and didn't provide me with enough point of view from where why that's important or why

795
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:26,120
that's in this movie and that really frustrated me because time and time again I'm like I'm wanting

796
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:35,800
something more out of you know maybe I know that I presented earlier in the conversation about

797
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:41,560
knowing what other people are doing but I would actually now say is I would like to have seen

798
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:48,360
more of their relationship beyond just him trying to solve the the cure and him just trying to solve

799
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:54,120
her illness and having way more situations of them in slice of life stuff of like

800
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:02,920
understanding better her perspective or coloring more or providing more context to her perspective

801
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:09,560
and to his perspective because it is this movie to my opinion's detriment is it is so

802
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:17,080
narrow in like we're going to focus on just this death and overcoming death portion as opposed to

803
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:23,160
also presenting life happening outside of this issue and I really found myself being like

804
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:29,800
well I like the visuals of it I like the music of it but something about the story I'm having a

805
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:36,840
hard time with and it's not again because I don't understand that the metaphys like the you know

806
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:43,480
the meta commentary or the bigger ideas that it's communicating I would actually like to see more of

807
01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:54,360
reality grounding how you overcome this inability to see what the truth of life is you know and

808
01:19:55,160 --> 01:20:00,760
yeah I just ended up having certain issues with that especially the like future version of himself

809
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:11,160
where it is so clearly symbolism and has so little to do with like in my mind what would make this

810
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:19,000
movie better is some type of connective situation maybe or some type of connective tissue between

811
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:26,440
him in the present solving I guess the like the dying thing and then what that leads him to

812
01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:33,000
shaving his head and being on a bubble by himself like all of that stuff I wanted more of that kind

813
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:42,840
of character depth so yeah what I'm gonna do for this is I it's not like I hated this movie at all

814
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:47,160
there are so many good things about this movie and that's why it was so fun for this conversation

815
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:53,480
to hear more about somebody loving the themes of it because that is obviously what this movie is about

816
01:20:53,480 --> 01:21:05,000
is really thematic very symbolism heavy and doesn't care too much about how that would relate to you

817
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:10,520
as a person you have to mean it there which is cool which is interesting like it's forcing you to

818
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:18,920
think and I would say by and large I would rather default to a movie treating its audience not like

819
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:30,280
it's an idiot and like it's really worth sharing an idea and assuming that it might not work for

820
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:35,800
some people but if you want to put in the effort to make it work for your understanding or how

821
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:43,480
pulling it into how you view life I have to commend it for it um I'm what I'm gonna do is I'm

822
01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:48,600
gonna split the difference between the critics and the audience and I'm gonna go with a 64 percent for me

823
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:57,240
right on right on uh yeah all all great points uh yeah I mean what it what it comes down to if I had

824
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:04,600
any not really like any response to that it just yeah it seems like uh different wanting of different

825
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:11,640
things and in the movie and um this is one that I do have a as I mentioned a deep history with

826
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:17,320
and I don't have to rehash everything that I that I loved about it but I I do think that

827
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:23,000
yeah you mentioned I do like the themes so I can go there like the themes of death and and how it

828
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:31,560
does handle those things while it can be criticized as as at times schmaltz and melodramatic the basic

829
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:37,240
thrust of it of of not cherishing the times that you have with the person that you love

830
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:45,160
love and living in the present and and stop trying to fix things and and try to logically uh

831
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:53,240
in your own mind try to make it make sense or or have a have a solution to it the energy of

832
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:58,760
Rachel Weiss which you said is I mean her performance really really drives what I think is is the

833
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:04,440
positive message of of this movie is her whole character and the grace at which she has the

834
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:12,840
ability to to die with dignity and uh and in the way that I I see as her choosing exactly how

835
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:19,320
and even the the inability for Hugh Jackman to be there for her in all of the times that matter

836
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:25,640
most you can tell him kind of letting her down in some ways it doesn't dampen her spirit as well

837
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:34,680
and that sort of way of living I think is inspiring to me I see myself uh as aspiring to be like her

838
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:39,720
but then I see myself in a lot of ways being like a Hugh Jackman and and getting bogged down with

839
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:45,800
the details of things and uh getting upset about uh why things have to be a certain way instead of

840
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:51,720
uh living in that moment and and deciding what you do have control over which is that moment

841
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:59,480
that moment with the person I'm taking a walk or uh you know hearing you know hearing about her book

842
01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:06,840
instead of you know taking a call or whatever that is and those things I I agree they that there

843
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:14,200
isn't a lot of uh extra extraneous sort of things that are color of life sort of things it really

844
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:21,480
is meeting these people in the in a very dark moment of of end of her life and in the relationship

845
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:30,280
and in that way it still is there is redemption there and and how she handles it and then the

846
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:37,800
lessons that he learns I think all come to fruition in that final moment of how the Conquistador's

847
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:46,440
story ends exemplifies his arc of understanding death and the effect that she had on him and how

848
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:53,400
he looks at it now and how he believes she would have wanted it to end in a certain way uh and then

849
01:24:54,360 --> 01:25:01,000
having that come to fruition in that way and then the the modern tale as well of him just planting

850
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:07,560
a tree in the symbology there uh I get why you why you say that is enough for you and you don't need

851
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:15,560
much more than that the extra you know bubble and the tree thing is something that adds to this movie

852
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:24,360
uh a flavor of the unexplainable and a flavor of the obscure and yeah super art housey sort of

853
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:32,280
style of it but the themes in themselves and you know a lot of credit I give it a lot of credit I know

854
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:37,080
uh is about the unexplainable in a certain way so it's like I don't know just having

855
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:42,840
having him on this other futuristic journey could have been done in a in a fucking spaceship with

856
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:49,000
a crew with like a little fucking capsule with a tree that he you know brought from and it just

857
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:54,760
would have been so like I don't know boring in my mind and and straightforward or it could have

858
01:25:54,760 --> 01:26:00,360
it could have explained explained that in a way that would have taken away the magic of it and

859
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:07,240
uh the ability for the audience to meet at halfway or whatever I think is why so many people champion

860
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:12,440
it and why so many people get defensive about it there's a lot of movies that we do people get very

861
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:18,040
defensive either it is maybe more of the audience side either way but because the critics are you

862
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:23,160
know sometimes they're just like oh the peons or whatever don't don't fucking get how you know

863
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:27,080
esteemed this is or something but for it to come from the audience I think it hits a nerve with

864
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:36,200
those themes of life and death and uh it hit me and it will continue to be one that'll I'll revisit

865
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:46,760
throughout my life and uh it washes over me in an emotional way in a in a way that uh yeah I don't

866
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:54,120
immediately think think of the a lot of things that Brandon mentioned uh in his review when I

867
01:26:54,120 --> 01:27:02,440
watch it because it is so much I'm the familiarity with it is so much but I really super duper cannot

868
01:27:02,440 --> 01:27:06,520
express this enough appreciate this conversation being able to talk about it with somebody that is

869
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:14,120
able to kind of navigate those things that don't work for you because uh I think we both met in

870
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:21,960
the middle in a lot of ways because uh I feel like I understand exactly a lot of the the problems here

871
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:29,080
that people have with it and to make a point that you make as well more credit given to it but I do

872
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:34,440
think those limitations helped it out a little bit too where like I don't want to see a big fucking

873
01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:39,400
conquistador battle or whatever like maybe I want it to just be a little bit more simple and have him

874
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,640
have air nobsky kind of work with what he's got rather than have him just a bunch of money and do

875
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:49,080
whatever the hell he wants with Brad Pitt and click Cape Lynch yet uh but who knows for what this is

876
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:57,960
it works for me a lot uh and I'm gonna give it a wholehearted do 98 do 98

877
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:04,120
I fucking love this movie this is gonna this is like uh one of my favorite movies it really is

878
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:12,360
straight up and uh the things about Hugh Jackman being like death a disease a disease and there's

879
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:17,960
a cure is a big moment a big line and that's probably the 2% is probably gonna go down a

880
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:23,720
little bit from I think just for for a little bit of just that that veering on a little bit

881
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:29,720
friction of too close of what's happening I like that there's a there's a there's a gap between

882
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:35,000
what's going on but he just says it straight on where it's like like you're saying that that seems

883
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:40,440
like a little a little much to take in but at the same time he delivers it very well and it is kind

884
01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:46,520
of like his whole thing as a as a character at then then in the bare essence it's just hard to hear

885
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:54,200
him say it out loud I think just say I feel like this is one of your best reviews I just I feel like

886
01:28:54,200 --> 01:29:02,440
so filled up with Joey filled up with emotion by hearing this um because at a regardless of our

887
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:08,920
our opinions just hearing you talk it I'm giving it 100 continue

888
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:20,360
you holy shit fuck it wow oh my god who cares death is a disease we need to cure it Brandon

889
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:30,440
I'm on board now the death is the sorry I interrupted continue um no no no I yeah I

890
01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:37,000
I said my piece is like it just yeah again it was wonderful to just hear your explanation of why you

891
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:44,680
love this movie because it's not in no way did I ever feel like I needed to defend anything I just

892
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:53,080
was like so it felt so good to just accept somebody talking lovingly about something and um I just I

893
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:58,600
want to say that I appreciated that to be a part of this discussion same dude absolutely yeah this

894
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:03,000
is I mean I think that's the beauty of art and I would hope Aronofsky would agree I don't think

895
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:09,640
he's making movies to to have everyone be on board with what's happening and uh it's good to see it

896
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:15,800
in practice uh yeah not being on the same page about about something but this is that's what this

897
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:22,280
podcast is for and I think yeah us being polarized makes it makes it pretty pretty fun uh and I hope

898
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:29,880
it's been for for you as well because all of these movies are freaking polarizing and uh I hadn't

899
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:36,120
really like investigated too much further and and uh I was worried that looking at some of

900
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:41,480
you in the critics reviews I'm like gonna be like uh oh this is a bad movie oh no I was worried a

901
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:45,960
little bit like going through this process of like not only where's I gonna find out that other people

902
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:49,880
didn't like it maybe maybe like yourself as well which you didn't hate it but you didn't love love

903
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:55,400
a sort of thing but I was worried that that was gonna yeah that was gonna affect me but I still

904
01:30:55,400 --> 01:31:02,840
yeah I still find the enjoyment and I think that yeah it speaks to the the strength of of whatever

905
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:08,520
whatever it's done to me and uh whatever movies that you folks have out there I'm sure you can

906
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:13,320
you can relate where you feel like you you hold on to it but I try not to get too defensive I

907
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:18,440
yeah that whole sort of like well you just don't fucking get it like that just no and you never

908
01:31:18,440 --> 01:31:23,560
did that at all I mean yeah doesn't do anything for anybody poop who to those people that feel the

909
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:30,760
compelled to include in there because that's again uh such a wonderful part of your review why I yeah

910
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:36,760
I just really I feel like it's one of your best is this not defensive about it you're just focusing

911
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:44,760
on the fact that this movie speaks to you on a level that it just makes sense and that you're

912
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:52,440
like accepted and you welcome it of like oh here's me thinking about this movie is getting me thinking

913
01:31:52,440 --> 01:31:58,440
about these things that I want maybe not like some sort of aversion to thinking about but being

914
01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:05,480
presented with them and and being almost forced to think about them you end up really enjoying

915
01:32:05,480 --> 01:32:11,880
that process and then yeah it's wonderful oh yeah I appreciate it brother I think I appreciate the

916
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:19,720
the discussion and it's I think one of yeah one of our best as well um you know and I I'm glad

917
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:25,000
that there was someone to check me from getting to my own ass about this movie too of like I don't

918
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:29,720
know I feel like it was two people that just like yeah and then remember when when this happened oh it's

919
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:35,080
so great oh you know it's it's nice to have a have a different opinion it's not it's kind of boring

920
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:39,960
when we're just constantly agreeing I'm sure sometimes but there's there's those episodes

921
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:45,720
out there too I think they can be fun to I think they're pretty great too I mean I added the thing

922
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:51,800
is is that and we've kind of joked about this on some episodes is like even though this whole thing

923
01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:59,800
that we're doing is called polarized more often than not we're not polarized in our opinions about

924
01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:07,240
said particular movie and what's even more wonderful about this movie is even though we were

925
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:17,240
had different opinions about it neither one of us and and to your point of thinking about how you

926
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:24,840
like you know are scared almost of like am I am I gonna be you know told how this movie is uh

927
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:32,040
pooby-dooby snoopy like that's not the at the end of the day that is something that rings true

928
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:39,000
about this podcast is that's not the point both of our vibes is that we necessarily because I and

929
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:44,920
now I would almost want to revisit like things to do in Denver when you're dead is like when you

930
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:51,960
were really polarizing of like needing to needing that sense of like needing to defend it and how

931
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:57,960
much that is present because I feel like more often than not we don't default to that like I have to

932
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:03,160
uh that's true be heard and I have to make my point of like you know whatever I never really

933
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:09,320
like you're wrong right if yeah if anything yeah again it'd be interesting to hear that what to do

934
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:20,200
in Denver when you're dead because we're fat man I know we were polarized on but I just think about

935
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:26,600
like with those movies though is like I know they suck so I don't feel that sense of needing to defend

936
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:32,760
it like it's either just we very interesting like this movie I know this is artsy fartsy

937
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:40,040
bullshit I get it you're just like this movie is speaking my language and whatever that language

938
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:47,240
is and I don't need to defend it and I as the your you know your friend don't ever feel like

939
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:54,120
I have to necessarily be like hear what I'm saying I'm saying the right thing oh you know it's like

940
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:59,720
no you don't get it or like the like the audience reviewers that need to just be like

941
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:08,920
if you don't get it then you're it's a failing on your part yeah or like that's the thing that

942
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:16,920
you have to preface or make a point of is like it's like the strong thing right you're just

943
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:25,880
bringing something to tear down 100 saying like there's yeah it's it's like setting up an argument

944
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:30,760
in such a terrible way where you're like this movie is great and if you don't like it then you're the

945
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:37,960
problem just talk about what you want yeah there's someone else down for their opinion yeah you can

946
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:44,040
just and I think more and more as yeah as we've gotten growing older it's just about

947
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:50,360
sincerity and earnestly feeling one way or the other yeah if you earnestly feel like something

948
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:54,600
is shit then you can have absolutely have that opinion and have that on your own has nothing

949
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:59,960
to do with any anybody else and I catch myself sometimes too of wanting to have my own opinion

950
01:35:59,960 --> 01:36:05,560
so much that I try to I try to keep it out of my head as much as again until I partake with the

951
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:10,680
piece of art myself so I can feel like I have some sort of opinion myself but then there's other

952
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:15,160
things too where it's like I kind of would like to hear some people's takes on this because I don't

953
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:20,920
I'm having a hard time even parsing out my own feelings and hearing some takes it does it does

954
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:26,920
help as well so I don't know yeah if this has made you change your mind about it any anybody out

955
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:31,720
there listening then that would be that would be interesting I know I know when I listen to podcasts

956
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:37,960
about movies and stuff it it really helps me digest my own opinions and even if I disagree

957
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:42,360
with the people talking about it it's like oh wow that is a take that I completely disagree with

958
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:48,920
but it helps me understand my own opinion about like I think this other way 100% and we've and

959
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:56,600
we've talked about certain podcasts that have done that usually by and large well but

960
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:03,960
but there we've made a point to have conversations about podcasts that do this where

961
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:15,720
you're like what I'm saying and like this idea of you're not trying to hear or you're like there's

962
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:22,200
this agenda there you're you're it's a take there's a hot take you got that you just got to get out

963
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:30,440
there yeah right like I'm gonna say this just I know again like the audience reviews is like

964
01:37:30,440 --> 01:37:36,840
I know people aren't gonna like this and you know what those people are dumb for not liking this like

965
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:42,840
no compensate and and that's literally the worst also here in podcasts and we've talked about certain

966
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:50,680
episodes and of certain podcasts where when they do that it's the it sucks because yeah it's

967
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:56,040
this content for the last Jedi episode you'll fuck you yeah I'm sure you guys would probably hate me

968
01:37:56,040 --> 01:38:07,480
that whole time you maybe me I don't know yeah one of us another polarized episode but to leave

969
01:38:07,480 --> 01:38:15,160
this I yeah like almost speaking to the to our listeners is like I hope a thing that you take

970
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:21,400
away from this podcast and why we do this is because we care about each other's opinions

971
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:27,160
because we love each other and we can have different opinions and that doesn't mean that

972
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:36,040
we're being attacked or our whole self-worth is wrapped up in it it is so much that it's so much

973
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:42,600
more enjoyable to be in a friendship and to care about somebody to be like like what you said and

974
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:48,120
I've told you this of like one of my kind of like I don't know things that I value so much in life is

975
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:54,600
have a different opinion it's just about being passionate about it if anything like

976
01:38:55,800 --> 01:39:01,320
you yeah you shouldn't get wrapped up in the opinion is different if anything just like

977
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:08,600
yeah encouraging people to feel comfortable and to feel safe to express how interested they are

978
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:13,800
about something and to hear that and to accept it that's what matters it's not about needing to

979
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:21,320
change somebody's mind it's about what a wonderful gift that somebody provides you is a different

980
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:26,920
perspective on a thing and again you don't have to accept that opinion but to hear it I feel like

981
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:33,320
just provides so much value in itself and it doesn't need to be a hot take every time it doesn't

982
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:39,160
need to be something that you know it can be a nuanced measured sort of opinion that I feel like

983
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:45,000
we we hope to strive for we're like yeah a lot of our ratings and our feelings are yeah more I

984
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:50,680
feel like measured in terms of like trying to understand the movie itself hearing out both

985
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:55,560
sides and and coming out with their own opinion of is is the formula essentially of this of our

986
01:39:55,560 --> 01:40:00,440
podcast and and what we try I don't know I feel like we try to employ here is just like we we

987
01:40:00,440 --> 01:40:05,960
talk about the stuff we hear from other other people and then you know we get our own opinion

988
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:09,080
because I feel like that's almost the process of watching a movie is that you'll watch it and then

989
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:13,000
maybe you'll go on look at some reviews and then you'll talk about it with your friends later and

990
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:17,720
there's certain takes that you hear from people that maybe you'll adapt into your own

991
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:25,560
version of as as well and I think that sort of discussion is is what makes art in general so

992
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:33,320
so fun and if you are so clandestine like set on one take of it and everyone else is wrong

993
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:39,240
sounds like a boring way to live and sounds lame to you know not be able to change your opinion on

994
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:43,960
something I mean it makes me think like promes I have such a hard like hard history with that

995
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:48,680
movie or just like I feel different about every time like is this movie great is this movie bad I

996
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:53,000
just don't know I just sometimes I watch him like god this movie's awesome other times I'm like god

997
01:40:53,000 --> 01:41:00,280
this is so stupid it's like what's happening but it it can be both things at the same time it's

998
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:05,800
like and I think it's it's worth it gives space for that if anything I we would encourage just

999
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:13,240
like a thing can be stupid at the same time as providing joy and interest in things like it

1000
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:19,800
doesn't have to be one note that's not what we strive for here and I would just in in my mind a

1001
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perfect like situation for this podcast finding somebody is for what you're saying is somebody

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who's like I just watched a movie and I have a feeling about it and I want to hear other people's

1003
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opinion of it but it isn't so much to validate it's just to hear air it out and to air it out and

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just go like because if anything disagree with us on all of this shit and if that helps you work

1005
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through your love and understanding of something then I feel like we won yeah and I'm sure there's

1006
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like plenty of especially in this movie that either people love or hate it would like you miss this

1007
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you miss that and every discussion is different and you could have a whole podcast just on air

1008
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and air and ask you can have a whole podcast on just the fountain I mean there's people who wrote

1009
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whole essays and you could read those too but I think this has been an awesome example of what

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this podcast is about the discussion in this movie itself and he himself I think is polarizing

1011
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that that damn air nofsky but you mentioned this guy earlier one of the guys I think

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our guys around this this time and another one of those guys is pta so we thought we jump into

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pta town little paul thomas anderson with one of his polarizing movies it's rare to have a

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polarizing pta but here it is folks it's inherent vice inherent vice story in walking phoenix is

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a critically favored movie at 74 percent by the critics it is an audience panned movie at 53 percent

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poopy doopie snoopy we're jumping into one would say maybe another artsy fartsy sort of situation

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we shall see and I'm very excited yes this has been a joy very looking forward to next time very

1018
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much so is there anything else that we miss before we wrap up here no I mean definitely

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raid and review please like it it means yeah apple podcast rate review subscribe on there write a

1020
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little blurb or something and give us a give us your feelings and give us some notes yeah we would

1021
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love it uh polarize the pod at gmail.com you can send anything else you would like there we're

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streaming live twitch.tv slash polarize pod uh if you want to see our beautiful faces uh yeah we

1023
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got a youtube channel as well polarize pod uh you can stream the podcast from there however you like

1024
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it but uh we hope you guys have enjoyed yourselves I do every time brandini the great brandini my

1025
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conquistador it's been a true pledge my friend true pledge and uh I'll see you next time for

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in here advice goodbye