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Welcome, everybody, to the Polarize podcast.

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This is a podcast about polarizing movies and polarizing in the sense of rotten tomato

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scores.

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Sometimes critics love it and audiences hate it.

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Or vice versa, those are the movies that we cover on this show slash pod.

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Today we are going to be talking about the 2013 movie called The Double starring Jesse

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Eisenberg directed by Richard Iowati.

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I found that is how you pronounce it.

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The scores for this are critics gave it a certified fresh 83% and audiences gave it

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a stinky 59%.

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And yeah, so we're going to get into it today and talk about this movie, talk about why

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it's polarizing and then just, yeah, go soup to soup to nuts this thing.

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And it is not only only going to be me talking about it, but at this point I would also like

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to intro the forever guess is what we like to call him.

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But my co-host Mr. James Lindsay.

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Hey, hello, I'm back.

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I am here for another episode where you know what another name for this show or maybe a

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different show would be.

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Whoa, okay.

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Soup to nuts.

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Yeah.

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And we go soup to nuts, baby on everything or maybe it's literal.

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Maybe we talk about soup and nuts.

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I like that idea.

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If we're going to call it soup to nuts, I love the idea of just it's broken up first

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half is soup.

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Second half is not talk.

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Those are both kind of like apps in their own way.

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Maybe a bar snack.

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Maybe nuts are more bar snack.

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We don't have to put them in a box.

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I mean, soup in a box doesn't sound like the ideal way to hold it, but you can put nuts

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in a box.

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Maybe you definitely could put nuts in a box.

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That's for sure.

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You can also put a dick in a box as well.

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Hello.

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Can put me in a nutshell.

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You know what, before we get into movies, I get in this nutshell.

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This is me.

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Let's actually talk about soup and nuts.

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Okay.

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What's your favorite soup?

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Fave soup.

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Shit.

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If I had a favorite soup, man, it is tough to pick favorites.

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I love a good minestrone minestrone.

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I love a good albondegas.

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I really love albondegas.

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I'm mixing, mixing meatball soup.

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Ramen.

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Shit.

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What would be my favorite though?

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It's tough.

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Out of those four, what would you say?

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Maybe ramen.

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I love ramen.

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Hey, not that might be the most like, oh man, I'm having soup and it's a meal.

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Having ramen.

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Oh, oh, Don's really good too.

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But yeah, I'll go with, I'll go with ramen.

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That'll be my fave for today.

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Maybe we'll change tomorrow.

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I'll let you know.

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You know what, I want to hold it.

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Yeah, I want to hold you to that.

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Feel free.

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You know, wherever the wind takes you, wherever the soup weather takes you.

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This is a great first episode of soup soups and nuts, by the way.

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So for you, we're starting in the soup section.

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What's your fave fave soup?

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I know you're not the biggest, uh, clump chowder.

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I am not unless it is.

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The man had the man had kind.

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Yes.

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I've also been called clump chowder.

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Clump chowder.

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For DJ, which funny enough, I've gone by, I go by many names, you know, people just

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tuning in.

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I go by a whole host of names, you know, Bardini, the great brand, Dany.

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Oh, yes.

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Uh, Brandon, a with Mr. Biggs, all of this.

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Info Fanny pack, Info Fanny pack.

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I mean, blood fart.

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Oh, how long?

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Sorry, cover your ears, children.

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Uh, oh, but recently, uh, made a new friend and they called me Brandon Manhattan.

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Oh, yeah.

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What's it?

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We didn't we try to come up with that one on the pod one time?

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I feel like that was, no, it was like, we were trying to mess with that one.

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That's great.

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We already got the brand Dany, so brand Hatton.

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Right?

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Brand.

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No, no, it's Brandon Manhattan.

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Who came up with that?

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Because I feel like I was there for that.

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Well, maybe you were.

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It's my buddy Cedric, a friend met him through chip.

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Um, but yeah, I thought.

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That's a great name, though.

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It's an excellent.

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Oh, of course you met him because of my birthday.

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He was in a have a suit with us.

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And his wife, he was the guy with the braces.

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Yes.

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Legendary birthday.

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Oh, legendary.

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But yeah, we learned that card game Dallas.

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I think it was.

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Those fun card game.

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Yeah, not Corpus Christi.

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Some people are trying to make it.

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Oh, is that another name for it?

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It's not, but it's just.

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Oh, okay.

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I don't.

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I don't.

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I'm a little slow.

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I just think of like because we also revived and a game that goes by different names is

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a Egyptian rat war or Egyptian screw or however you might say it, but we played that at your

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uh, absolutely celebration as well.

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And that was a blast.

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Just outside weather was just warm nights.

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Next to the pool.

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Just.

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I'm nice.

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Cool pool.

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Fun games.

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What's the name of my autobiography?

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Good buds.

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Man, Jimmy Buffett alive and well and in Brandini.

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Branded Manhattan, the Rizzler and Brandon and the Rizzler.

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Hello, let's go.

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We gotta, we gotta find a way to actually get our, our, I mean you especially cause

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you already have, I don't have a drink name.

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That would be sweet.

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I mean, but we just got it.

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You got it.

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You already have, you got to find a place that's like your regular, regular place and

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just convince them to like give me a, give me an item on the menu.

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Come up with the brandy and he put it on the menu just for a special.

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Do a special one day cause I'd be like you've made it at that point.

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If you have a drink named after you, you've made it.

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And I have a drink already in the can ready to go, you know, Breezy Brandini, Breezy Brandini.

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Got a great name.

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Got a great name and it's a great drink.

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Great on a summer's day.

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A variation on a trending drink already.

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I know.

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Hey, you know what?

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I'm going to campaign at my local bar to get the brandy on the menu.

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What a move.

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You just start posting propaganda.

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Just slowly just start to make Breezy Brandini.

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Oh yeah.

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I love that.

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So that's me and Manhattan plan shutter, but my favorite soup is French onion.

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Oh, so again.

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Ah, it's so fucking good.

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Such a good soup.

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It's so incredibly flavorful.

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It's really easy to make.

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It just makes me think of so many situations in my life that I've gotten there because

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there's restaurants typically have it on the menu by and large.

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I mean, obviously not all restaurants, but a lot of restaurants have it on the menu.

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So if you're doing a meal and you're like, I'm going to do a soup course or a salad

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course than the main entree.

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I mean, if they got French onion on the soup, then are on the soup on the menu, then I'm

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doing that.

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And there's already, I don't know, a good dip, dipping the bread in and it's kind of

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already involved and the bread's already in there and a part of it and the cheese.

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It's just like, it's nothing like any other soup.

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The closest thing I can think is almost like, and it's not even close, but the cheesy part

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of it of like dipping a grilled cheese into a tomato, tomato soup or something, you get

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that cheesiness with the soup.

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That's just, it's so nice.

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It holds up to the temp of the soup and it's such a nice, nice flavor with a good sourdough

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Onto nuts.

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Oh no, what are we going to say?

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I was going to say, it just had a conversation with Danny who's been on this pod before.

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He was making a grilled cheese and he made this statement and I 100% agree is sourdough

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is the best grilled cheese bread.

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Agreed, yeah.

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It's just nothing else compares.

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I'm a huge fan of sourdough also for breakfast sammies.

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I know like bagels, it's hard to beat a bagel for a good breakfast sammy, especially like

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Might be the best, but damn, do I love a good sourdough or like a rosemary sourdough?

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Good for so many occasions, but I completely agree because it, and that sourness is great

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with the cheese.

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Brings it out.

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Jesus kind of got some sourness to it.

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You know, it's like, yeah, it's, it's match made in heaven.

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We had a, when Brandon and I, Brandini, Brandon, Brandon Manhattan and I lived together, we

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had a neighbor that won competitions for grilled cheese.

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He did.

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And he would tell me stories about and is part of it was like using a little bit of the,

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you know, craft American, I believe was.

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People go too crazy on all the fancy cheeses.

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It's like, yeah, you can have fun with some ad incorporate some of that, but you got to

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have all that's what a grilled cheese is about.

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Is that, you know, singles, like craft singles, like just processed American cheese because

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it is so incredibly meltable.

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And I mean, it's just, yeah, when you're thinking grilled cheese, you're thinking the cheese

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pool, you're thinking something ooey gooey and American cheese, it just, you know, it

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can do that.

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It gets you there, but you're right too.

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Cause he did for breakfast.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Um, yeah.

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I remember him talking about how, yeah, and because of it being a competition, so many

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people would, you know, plus it up in all these ways and at all these different types

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of cheeses, but yeah, what ends up winning is just having something that gives you that

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like, but this tastes like something that I grew up with.

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Familiarity to it.

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And it's not too up its own butt about needing to have all these, you know, exotic cheeses

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combined and, you know, melding together.

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So yeah.

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Oh, wonder what that, what that as communities like the soup competition community.

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You mean the grilled cheese competition or a grilled cheese.

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Sorry, we were in soup territory.

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I combined it.

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That too.

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I went to a mushroom festival.

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It was pretty small, but it was at, uh, it was near me.

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Now it's pretty interesting.

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They had a, the center was just so filled with a bunch of different types of mushrooms.

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They had them all labeled and it was so cool.

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Just like kind of walk around and look at them and I got this, uh, yeah, this mushroom

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miso glaze or whatever they brought back.

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So good.

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Um, but that community was really cool.

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They were all really nice.

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Oh, for sure.

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I bet obviously.

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Oh my God.

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Cause yeah, the mushroom community, I'm sure is a bunch of outdoorsy, you know, type of

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individuals, you know, people that love to go on, uh, hikes.

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Uh, yeah, I don't know.

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People that, I don't know.

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I just a little bit of a hippiness to it.

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I think, right?

259
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Exactly.

260
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Yeah.

261
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Yeah.

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For sure.

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But now, so do you recall what a lion's mane mushroom looked like?

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Did I get it?

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I'm trying to think if I really honed in and got a good look at that.

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I think I was just kind of like looking at the ones that look cool and kind of moving

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on because they had this whole, yeah, this whole thing in the, in the middle that just

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kind of had them displayed some, some really cool ones.

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Um, but I'm familiar with that one being very, a very popular.

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Yeah.

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Medicinal.

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Medicinal for other.

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Yeah.

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Very cool.

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Yeah, such a cool looking mushroom mushrooms in general can be so cool looking.

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Sean trail.

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I like, I went heart Sean trail harvesting one, one time and those look, those are really

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cool.

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That was, that was a lot of fun.

280
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Oh, oh fun.

281
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Oh yeah.

282
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I'm a mushroom fan.

283
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I didn't always used to be grown up.

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I was not, I was like, ooh, no thanks.

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Uh, no mushrooms, no olives too.

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I was like, ooh, please no, this is gross.

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But, uh, in college, you know, when I was living at that, uh, know what apartment, there

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was a lot of things that we did where we're like, we're going to change our minds about

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stuff, you know, really take this opportunity of being in college to, uh, you know, develop

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new, an interest and, uh, just, yeah, I don't know, open ourselves up to liking new things

291
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because that's what college is all about.

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And yeah, I remember just ordering mushrooms and olives on stuff on a semi regular basis

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until it just clicked.

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And I was like, oh, right.

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Vinegar with olives love the taste of it.

296
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Now I love olives so much.

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And, uh, mushrooms being that umami that like meatiness, you know, is cool and is such a

298
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great flavor.

299
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Um, yeah, I just cooked with them this week.

300
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I made a, uh, uh, butter masala and mushrooms in it.

301
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And um, God yeah, it was, uh, yeah, I love, love me some mushrooms, but let's, it's

302
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set like, it's almost like that, that introduction to those kind of things are tough when you're

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a child.

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If maybe you have like a bad version that can ruin your impression of it for a while,

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that to where you were scared to try it again and then you try one with like a bunch of

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butter and garlic and stuff, you're like, okay.

307
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Okay.

308
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Oh, right.

309
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And then you make some herbs, you know, and some seasoning and, uh, yeah, or incorporated

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into something and then you start there and you start to work backwards and to the point

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where you're having them, maybe, uh, yeah, on a salad a little bit more by themselves

312
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or whatever it may be.

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Cause they, uh, they, they can, you can utilize them in a lot of delicious ways, people, mushrooms,

314
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soups, nuts, peanut.

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If I don't know if, if peanut counts cause it's a legume, but I'm gonna go.

316
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I think we're both big peanut guys.

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Super huge peanut guy.

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Cause by like a long run, it's peanuts for me.

319
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Oh, same here, man.

320
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I just, I feel like I'm having a peanut once a month at least.

321
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I mean, let's, I want to peanut a month.

322
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Just one allowance.

323
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That's my allowance.

324
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I like to keep myself in check, you know, just only one.

325
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And man, when that one peanut, you know, I got to put it in my mouth.

326
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I put on this shirt that just has a peanut on it.

327
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And I'm just going to, yeah.

328
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Monocle on the top hat, like Mr.

329
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Yeah.

330
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Yeah.

331
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Uh-huh.

332
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Yeah.

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I just, I, I really get into it because it's such a special time of the month for me to

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just, you know, have that one peanut.

335
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Um, when it comes to peanuts, James, what, uh, what's your preferred peanut, you know,

336
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or how do you take it or what's your preferred, uh, it's been a while since I, but I mean,

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just a salted, I mean, I don't know if there's a brand, but yeah, just a salted peanut.

338
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You're at our.

339
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Oh, give me that shell.

340
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Sure.

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Especially where I'm at a place where I can, I can, or I can drop it in a reasonable,

342
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not messy way.

343
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Like, especially if there's a rest.

344
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Yeah.

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Like what is the steak, steakhouse where you can do that?

346
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Or there's other restaurant like Texas.

347
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Does Texas road house?

348
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There's other like steak house.

349
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Road house.

350
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Yeah.

351
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Maybe like five guys.

352
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Like some five guys does it too.

353
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Yeah.

354
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Yeah.

355
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Been a minute since I've been to either of those places, but love when that's the case

356
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or, uh, at a baseball game, like best snack at a baseball, because it, it keeps you busy

357
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too.

358
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You're doing something and I mean, pistachios are fucking great for that reason as well.

359
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Love a good pistachio.

360
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Oh, I mean, that's, yeah, I would say that's number two for me.

361
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Might be.

362
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Yeah.

363
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Ryan.

364
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Yeah.

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It's so expensive.

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So yeah, it's one of those things where, um, doesn't come by too often, but man, when

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it does, it just, it rips.

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And macadamia is like maybe not just a straight macadamia, but I love how it's incorporated

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into things.

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Like a shirt.

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I've had macadamia milk.

372
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So good in coffee.

373
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Whoa.

374
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Yeah.

375
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They make all, they make milk of everything.

376
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You find out.

377
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Oh yeah.

378
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Find that macadamia milk people put that in your coffee.

379
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Ooh.

380
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So good.

381
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Ooh.

382
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Get out of down with it.

383
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Maybe a little coconut and macadamia.

384
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I don't know.

385
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I don't know.

386
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Get a little crazy.

387
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Is that a nut?

388
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Is that a nut?

389
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I mean, no, but we're in the weeds here people.

390
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All right.

391
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Well, that's our episode.

392
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We'll see you next time.

393
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Uh, no, we should probably get into what we might be avoiding a little bit.

394
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Uh, yeah, I'm getting a sense that both of us are kind of, yeah, uh, buying our time until

395
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we delve into this movie, um, which the doble, the doble, the dope, uh, double Reno, double

396
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Reno.

397
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Uh-huh.

398
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Yeah.

399
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There's a brand and there's the brandini brandini came in, came into our lives and, and, uh,

400
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you know, it was just a different, different side of Brandon.

401
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I haven't, I haven't seen and I don't know.

402
00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,720
There's something, something going on, but, uh, I don't know who we have with us today.

403
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Is it a bar done? Is it Brandon Manhattan? Is it brandini? We'll see.

404
00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:17,160
We'll see. So that makes me think of this concept in the movie that I would like to ask

405
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as a question to you is if you were to be, to have a double like in this movie, would

406
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you be the Gorgarius one, the outgoing one, or would you be the introvert?

407
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I relate with the introverted one.

408
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I know it's like way more like over the top. I think how this movie portrays it so much

409
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so like, and I get, that's just a part of the story I think is having the two sides

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of the coin.

411
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Um, and it contrast.

412
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Yeah.

413
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And this one goes very far with it in a, in a lot of ways, but I definitely relate a

414
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lot more with the guy who's apologizing constantly.

415
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Uh, and I don't, yeah.

416
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Some of the other stuff is a little extreme as far as being like not, not rememberable,

417
00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,840
remember like not being, you know, memorable or anything like that. But I think more so

418
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just with like the introverted and maybe like just kind of like not trying to ruffle any

419
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feathers and, uh, keep it in keeping your head down a little bit more. But the, yeah,

420
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because the gregarious one, there's a lot of other, there's like other attributes of,

421
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of him too that yeah, it's, it's tough. Obviously it's like very clearly he's like the more

422
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like outgoing one or like that side of him is more outgoing and gregarious and confident,

423
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but also he's like dumber and doesn't want to do the work and doesn't follow through

424
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on, on the actual substance. Like he's not, doesn't have any substance. So that's like

425
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:59,640
an interesting side of it as well. Um, at least in how this movie portrays it, but

426
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did, which one, which one did you relate with more?

427
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:08,200
I related with the introverted one as well, because yeah, the idea that you're

428
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so at odds with the version of yourself that you would think you would want to be.

429
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:23,800
And having that kind of like Tyler Durden, Tyler Durden, for example, but

430
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I won't, that's a great movie to bring up in relation to this, but then it just makes me

431
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:40,600
think about how successful that movie is about, you know, handling this concept than this movie

432
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is because with fight club just simply put, we don't have to get into the weeds there, but like,

433
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he is envious and spends time almost becoming that person, you know, because that is in a

434
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figment in his mind of what he would like to be. It's almost like a complete opposite.

435
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:10,520
And in every way, including the negative ways as well, you're just going so far

436
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against what, what you are or something that you, and you've actualized this, this version.

437
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:24,600
But where that's drawn from, I guess is, is different in all these different kind of stories.

438
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There's that TV show. I like that TV show. He's watching that anytime that came on. I was like,

439
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:38,680
whoa, is that what's his face from House of Dragon to it is. Yeah. Yeah. The main father guy,

440
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,440
Reese, if Fonz, or whatever, like Viseron, Viseron, Viseris.

441
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:51,400
He that that in like, you can see maybe, because that's where I'm looking for in this movie

442
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,800
is that. Yeah, that kind of like, where is he drawing that?

443
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That idealized version of himself from, I guess you don't have to go so far with that. I'm just,

444
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I'm kind of curious about the attributes of this other guy and why he wants so much and desires to

445
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be, you know, that version because, and I'm going to bring it, I'm just going to bring it up right

446
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:21,480
now because I thought the homophobic thing was weird. Yeah. But he like laid on and that was

447
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,800
just like, that's just one layer and everything in that just was outside of all the stereotypical

448
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:32,520
things of him being like, cocksure and very like, you know, just I want my fucking eggs and all

449
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,760
this shit. But then all of a sudden he's just like so against. You can't be gay. Like you can't,

450
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,840
if you do that, then you're then you like guys and all this and being very like,

451
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,120
and I guess that's maybe part of like, he's just so hetero. That's what I was going to say.

452
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:53,880
Fucking hetero. And he wants the idealized version of him is really like a guy that can get that can,

453
00:22:54,520 --> 00:23:02,200
you know, have like can that can get women essentially. Yeah, which in bed? Totally. And

454
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:13,800
this movie. Proposes a lot of things. But I think as we talk through this, it's really the like

455
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:21,720
execution or that's the problem, you know, because there obviously is an interesting idea here

456
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,800
because of like movies that you've already mentioned with our movie like Fight Club,

457
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but we can mention other ones. I know you wanted to talk about enemy and I would like,

458
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I haven't seen it, but I would like to hear from you about like comparisons and what work

459
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:43,880
and what to work, you know, things like that. But ultimately, it's just this movie.

460
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:52,200
This movie needs more meat and needs more growth and characters, growth and relationships.

461
00:23:52,760 --> 00:24:00,520
But this fundamentally, this whole movie is a fever dream. It's like in a different time and

462
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:07,960
place. And it leans on that. I would argue too much to its detriment is that it's trying to be so

463
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:17,400
yeah, like a theory or a dream like that. That's what it kind of leans on as an excuse to not

464
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:24,520
get into more realist, not realistic, but like get into more of relationships or things like that.

465
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:31,640
Because it just it tends to keep things way too surface level when it needs more development and

466
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:39,880
substance below this, you know, the plot. The ball starts rolling much too late. So you know

467
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:45,080
that it's like possible for them to get at least some like action going or like some movement,

468
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:51,000
but it's not super coherent when it finally like needs needs to happen in the act three or whatever.

469
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,760
But I don't know if this contributes, but there's only like five sets in this movie as well. And

470
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:03,640
they are fucking like aggressive sets, like maybe not the outward the the apartment building. Okay,

471
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:09,560
you see like every angle of that fucking apartment building and the place you work. So my god, but

472
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:18,280
the sets are just like in the subway, of course, the subway, and they use them so repetitively and

473
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actively and maybe to an effect of his life being, you know, this this in this dystopic sort of

474
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:32,520
there, going, you know, doing the same thing every day. And yeah, and then I get what they're

475
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:39,400
trying to do. It does the sets is one thing and I'll leave that aside that that was just kind

476
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,720
of bothering me that it was and it doesn't have to be there are movies that have low budget and

477
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,200
they have not that many sets that maybe they're they're able to work it in. But the way that

478
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:56,120
this movie does with editing, like the editing is rough. And then the lighting is like,

479
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,720
why are we on a stage play right now the sets and the lighting

480
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,480
such harsh is a fucking stage play and I don't know if

481
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:12,680
yeah, it's all spotlights. It's all spotlights. So like, it's either fully dark or fully lit.

482
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And so you see characters like walk into their light constantly. And you see a scene starting

483
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where a person's walking in complete darkness and then they walk to the foreground of the screen

484
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:29,160
and then full light on their face from like a light from above or whatever. And that's a

485
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:36,360
stylistic choice. They were very intentional about that. Sometimes it looks okay, but most of the

486
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:43,480
most of the time it looks harsh over satire over contrast, like just not pleasant for me to look

487
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,240
at any but occasionally it looks good. And occasionally some there's some fun editing

488
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:53,080
things because they're taking some bigger swings. But most of the time, it's creating and doesn't

489
00:26:53,080 --> 00:27:00,760
doesn't work for me and is trying really hard to be stylistic and artistic. So I'm trying to

490
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:07,480
not get too hard on it in some senses, but it does not make a good story does not make an

491
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:12,520
enjoyable overall enjoyable experience, unfortunately. So yeah, leaving that there. I don't know if

492
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,280
you have anything to say about that before we move on to like maybe performances and stuff like that.

493
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,960
Yeah, absolutely. Because like, what you're talking about speaks to I'm sure what I'll mention

494
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:29,960
in other ways. When talking about this movie is there, there is a concept in an idea that

495
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:39,080
obviously Richard is interested in for like, presenting. And one of those ideas is since

496
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:52,200
this is based off of a doze I have scheme. Like novella, wanting visual representation of a very

497
00:27:52,200 --> 00:28:00,840
harsh reality and a very oppressive life that is and just yeah, and I'll just leave it there

498
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:06,760
like and communicate that visually, you know, why the sets are what they are is because it allows

499
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:16,200
you it's so hermetic in a way that it's this this individual Simon slash James is just doing the same

500
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,320
thing over and over again, diner every time. Same diner every time that he can.

501
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:26,760
Same diner every time that he gets treated like shit at and he gets treated like shit at work.

502
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:36,440
And so the idea I get why to visually do that but then to your point is

503
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:45,080
it's not done with like, I don't know, a level of competency or a level of flair and

504
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:54,840
I don't know, like it's, it's just not quite getting to, you know, getting to a place that it's

505
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,800
maybe just at a base level interesting, because I feel like if you were to talk about movies like

506
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,800
I don't know, like a racer head in relation to this movie, that's a great goal. I mean,

507
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:09,640
but it's very obvious. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But that's like a movie that's also very like lit in a way,

508
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:15,400
a lot of farseness to it. It's a lot of claustrophobic kind of setty feel to it.

509
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,640
So I'm curious of this like in a black and white cut. I'm curious what that would look like.

510
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,240
It would probably look better, I would say, because yeah, then then weirdly,

511
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:33,000
that's it's the cake and eat it too. It's like if you're going to want a visual representation

512
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:40,920
of a oppressive society, a society of void of joy or a life devoid of joy.

513
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,960
Yeah. Then to also saturate and have certain, I don't know, have certain things.

514
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,320
These yellow lights, man. I don't know. And that's

515
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,840
it's interesting because I mean, the first mention of enemy is there's a lot of yellow in that

516
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,000
movie too, but it's a haze and it's like a filter that they put on it almost.

517
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:08,040
That almost is like early like you're going to Mexico or something in like an early 2000s

518
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,440
movie or something like that or in like traffic and Soderbergh's traffic or something.

519
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:21,320
But in this in this one, yeah, it's just that there's no natural daylight in like the movie,

520
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,120
it feels like. And there's occasionally some parts where he's with her like on their date.

521
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,840
I remember thinking like, oh, things like evened out. There's like a softer tone over

522
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,800
over the scene and like, oh, this is possible. And to know that it was possible and that could

523
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,720
have been a little bit more purposeful in between the moments like, I don't know.

524
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,320
And almost comes across as like overcompensating a little bit. I don't know if that maybe that's

525
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:52,840
being a little harsh, but it comes across as like trying to make up for knowing that there are

526
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:59,400
there's a lot of repetitious content in a lot of the same sets that they do have to get interesting

527
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:06,840
with how to shoot it. I agree. But it's difficult to make a frenetic fast-paced movie in such a small

528
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,720
environment like taking more purposeful edits and longer takes with between them.

529
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,760
And in such a confined like you're saying like hermetically sealed environment like

530
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:25,480
makes being in those places more bearable. Because I find myself like liking those movies,

531
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:31,160
like I don't know, obviously hateful eight is coming from someone who's obviously an amazing

532
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:37,400
filmmaker, but I can watch a movie stuck in one location and be all right. But yeah, that

533
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,960
and you mentioned eraser head, I think that poll is a great comparison because you can tell

534
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:49,720
he's just trying so much to use those sort of audio editing techniques, which the audio editing

535
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:57,240
editing at moments is really cool. Very obviously like pulled from that sort of, you know,

536
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:04,680
lynch Ian sort of sort of way of filmmaking. But also it's like, it's a sort of that's why I say

537
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:11,960
over compensating maybe because it's the attempt to be surreal when it's so heavy handed that

538
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,800
it doesn't everything else is so heavy handed too. And when you put those surreal elements in,

539
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:24,600
it doesn't work as well. And another mention of enemy where that movie uses surreal elements,

540
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,120
surrealist elements very well, I think. And I do like like that one, but try not to try my best

541
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,800
not to mention it. But it coming up, I do have to say like, that movie came out the same year,

542
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:41,800
that's a pretty pretty bonkers thing to happen. I wish I had more of an answer on the show for

543
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:47,720
and research as to why, you know, two things come out at the same time on based on this on the same

544
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,760
exact story. You know, there's a Duff Sasky, but then there's like the other Jose Saramago,

545
00:32:52,760 --> 00:33:01,960
I believe is the author's name of the other version of that's inspired by Duff Sasky as well. So

546
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:10,280
a copy of a copy and it's a double of a double. So I guess it works to be inspired by inspired

547
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,000
by different things. Like this is an interesting idea, doppelganger and Lynch has David Lynch has

548
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:22,440
plenty of doppelganger shit and his movies are in his sort of shows and movies as well. So you can

549
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:28,680
tell he's to wrap up any sort of point I'm trying to make, you can tell he's like coming up, coming

550
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:36,360
through with a lot of like influences to his filmmaking. And he and it's it becomes frustrating

551
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:43,240
as an audience member to see those, but then I haven't not be like satisfyingly notched in and

552
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:51,320
fit in and to the puzzle that is a movie that that works in like an evenly evenly paced way because

553
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,840
this movie is very unevenly paced as well. And I feel like I've been railing on it for a for a while

554
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,640
now. So is there anything you want to mention that I just said? Yeah, I was going to mention like

555
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,080
Eisenberg's performance at some point. I wanted to transition based off of what we're talking about

556
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:16,600
of the unevenness in relation to the dark subject matter, but also having a lot of comedy in this

557
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:26,680
that this movie weirdly made me after watching it. I was like, there was a lot of quote unquote funny

558
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:33,720
stuff in this. But I just, you know, as I ruminated with, you know, what I just saw.

559
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:42,120
I just I don't know I came to the conclusion the reason I wasn't laughing or with it comedically

560
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:48,040
is because the subject matter is so fucking heavy. You know, it's this isn't.

561
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:57,480
I don't know. They're at a base level. I just thought about like the overall interactions

562
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:07,640
relationship between Jesse Eisenberg, the doubles, none of it is has moments that kind of allow you

563
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:16,200
to laugh and to have fun with it because their interactions from the jump are so serious.

564
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:22,920
You know, it's even like, you know, going to the diner together. There's this weird tension that

565
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:28,920
immediately happens where you're on edge where obviously he's uncomfortable, but then the double

566
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,480
I don't like yells essentially at the waitress and.

567
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,040
Yeah, there's.

568
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:48,200
Yeah, there's. After watching interviews with Richard, like he is a very funny guy and he finds

569
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:54,200
dark things very comedic, you know, just solely like in an interview he was talking about the

570
00:35:54,200 --> 00:36:01,080
idea of the double itself. In particular, the idea that, you know, like the scene when you first

571
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:09,160
meet the double in this movie where people don't recognize that he's a copy of it and finding

572
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:14,520
so much humor in that. And so that's an example of that's supposed to be played in the director's

573
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:21,080
mind as being funny, but it's not because the lead up and every and the way that Jesse's playing it.

574
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,200
It's no Taylor plays it pretty well, but beyond that, yeah.

575
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:31,800
Yeah. I agree. And time and time again, it's like a lot of the comedy in this movie isn't

576
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:40,760
like what it's directed at is Jesse Eisenberg's character getting shit on, you know, losing

577
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:47,080
over and over again, and it's supposed to be really funny how a lot of it's like bureaucracy

578
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:53,640
stuff. You know, at times this movie reminded me a little bit of super troopers and it's

579
00:36:53,640 --> 00:37:01,640
like satire approach where it has this kernel figure that exists and everybody's just making

580
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,880
reports. Do you know what these reports are? No. And then the way that people talk about it, it's

581
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,560
like he's so good at doing reports and there's not you don't get any sense of like what that

582
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:17,400
company actually makes. I do like how big that is. Yeah. It's comedy. Like that's satire. That's

583
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:24,920
comedy. But like it's just passed by it's so like it's so just like shuffled, shuffled by

584
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,600
it's never you don't get to absorb it as as much as you want to.

585
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:35,160
Well, because I think I just always came back to the fact is that it's because Jesse Eisenberg's

586
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:42,200
character is getting tormented. And to Jesse's credit is he's a good actor. So you really feel

587
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:57,400
a sense of this like, you know, loneliness, this disconnected, this, you know, despondent, this

588
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:06,600
down and out this. This guy that really is going through a hard time. And it's, yeah, it's, it's

589
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:14,120
really tough to let the comedy to laugh at the comedy because just a minute ago we had people

590
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:20,280
committing suicide. We had, you know, and even that suicide scene has like this weird like the

591
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:28,360
not cops, but they're like that's their whole thing is to like clean up suicide bodies.

592
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,240
And that's supposed to be played for comedy. But what the subject matter is is you're like,

593
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:39,160
I'm not laughing at this. This is horrendous. You're telling me that, you know, it's almost

594
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,600
like a part of the joke in the dialogue is suicide business is booming and that should be funny.

595
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,640
That's not the whole thing about the net and the foreshadowing there.

596
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:57,240
Right. Where yeah, they just explain like, man, if he only fell a couple feet to the left or

597
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,600
whatever. And there's no other net. There's just like this one tiny little net.

598
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:06,520
Mm hmm. Then he would have still been made. How do they say this? Like he still would have been

599
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:13,480
mained by would be alive. Uh huh. I was like very like clear like what's gonna happen to him later,

600
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:20,040
I guess. But yeah, and this is where I don't know. This is maybe not the answer for everything,

601
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:26,520
but it's like very British. It is very dry and like a lot of the dark, dark humor that doesn't

602
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:32,600
explain everything. Obviously, but a lot of that plays like snappy. Everything is just so snappy.

603
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,360
And whether it's a joke you can't absorb or it's just even a line. It's not in every scene,

604
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,760
but there's a lot of scenes where it's like, I say my line. Now you say your line, right? And then

605
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,440
it just is like quipped back and forth, back and forth. And sometimes the conversation is like,

606
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,840
are these people even in the same room, which is part of the surrealist attitude towards

607
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,440
filmmaking, which I get where they're going for it. Why it feels almost like a fever dream,

608
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,400
because these people are like saying things that don't even address what the last person just said.

609
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:07,080
And especially between him and Mio, uh, was a Kowski or whatever. However you say your name, but

610
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,080
I agree with the writing. They set up certain situations that end up being funny because

611
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:21,240
some of the, some of the actors pull it off. But even then it's like, I like the guy that

612
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:25,640
is telling him that like you're not in the system and you can't get back in the system. And like

613
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,640
that's it. Uh, and you say he was like, he was on the IT crowd as well. He does this thing at the

614
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:35,400
very end where he takes his computer and he smiles and he like, yeah, like that has nothing. I feel

615
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,480
like maybe he pulled down on one of the takes and Richard was like, yeah, do that. Cause that seems

616
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,400
like very much just him doing something fun. And it's like, how like good we need more of that

617
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:52,920
kind of life. And even if it's weird, sort of put on, uh, you know, sort of fake nice for the

618
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,400
corp, for the, whatever you call them, the sergeant, corporal, whatever, the colonel, the colonel.

619
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,600
And, but then you even get the other guy from IT crowd later as the nurse and his whole scene,

620
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:10,040
wasn't that funny either. I don't know. That didn't really come across super strong, but I think I

621
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,920
laughed like three times. And one of them was, was the guy taking the computer away. The other one

622
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:24,360
was when he, he comes out and there was such a weird scene going into this, but like he's,

623
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:30,920
he's visiting his mom and then like the other lady with like the pigtails is like, pulls a knife out.

624
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:36,600
And I forget exactly why she says she needs to perform some ritual or something. And he gets

625
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,880
freaked out cause he's like, and it's like, like a rite, like a ceremonial knife. And then he goes

626
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:48,600
to the front desk guy and he's like, are you aware that people have weapons here? Uh, oh,

627
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,320
should I should pull out? Do you know people are carrying weapons? Yeah. How long has this been

628
00:41:53,320 --> 00:42:02,520
going on a while? And he opens his jacket and he has a gun. Cause that guy is a comedian.

629
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,520
Deadpan funny, like everything. A lot of, there's a lot of deadpan stuff. And that was one that,

630
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,640
that did work for me, but I didn't expect it. And that's a great example too.

631
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,440
Cause it just makes me think of why it's not that funny is because of how Jesse's also playing it

632
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:21,240
too. Well, that's, yeah, I've been meaning to get into the performance there. And I mean,

633
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:27,400
if we want to move on from, from writing and all that, cause I do, I do put a lot on the writing

634
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,000
and there's performances that do break through, but overall it is dour and it is

635
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:41,560
putting everyone in a situation where, uh, there's not a lot of time to relish in any sort of humor

636
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:47,480
or levity and it is all very down on the, on the main character, which I think Jesse Eisenberg

637
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:53,720
does play well. I think he does play like the main character. Well, I just don't think he

638
00:42:53,720 --> 00:43:00,440
plays the other part very well. I don't think there's enough of, and I don't, I almost don't

639
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:06,520
even blame him either. I feel like it's a cast just casting him, but he does the physicality.

640
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:13,560
Okay. Me and the, the facial expressions, but his voice is so fucking monotone that when they're

641
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:20,360
in a conversation together, like I'm done. And this movie is a movie called the double where

642
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,120
they are, there's two of them. There really shouldn't be many scenes with them together,

643
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,560
in my opinion. And that's what enemy does really well is refrain from, there's like a big,

644
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,640
big buildup to them finally being in the same room together and then it, and then they kind of back

645
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:38,680
off from that. Them being in like going back and forth on each other is already tough for me to get

646
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:48,440
into a movie like that, but it's like, back and forth just on the same and them sitting at the

647
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:55,480
diner. It's like, yeah, he is emoting with his body and his face and he's pretty good with that,

648
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:01,480
but he is deadpan and, and monotone and even he's like, we'll give me some fucking eggs.

649
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,920
Well, why don't we, it's, it doesn't change. Not saying it should or whatever, but I think

650
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:14,520
it would help a lot to, to add a little bit something different with the voice. I don't know.

651
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,200
I don't know. Maybe it's just a different, different actor. Maybe it's my own thing with

652
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,080
Jesse Eisenberg. No, it's definitely a different actor would be better because,

653
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:32,920
you know, to Jesse Eisenberg's credit is his whole career has been picking interesting movies

654
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:40,520
and using his cash aid to get projects going. And I do like the fact that he hasn't done a lot of like

655
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:52,200
Lex Luthor Superman or now you see me movies and he does a lot of movies. And a lot, you know,

656
00:44:52,200 --> 00:45:00,680
and a majority of them are, yeah, in, in the ish movies. Yeah, the just, I'm sure benefit

657
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:06,440
getting made from him being attached to it. And it really seems like he is an active participant

658
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:13,800
in the roles that he picks. So he really brings it, but it is miscasting for him here because

659
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:22,840
at a fundamental level, I think the James version of Simon needs to just be likable and he is not

660
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:28,360
likable because of Jesse Eisenberg. That's a great point. Like neither of them really,

661
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,320
really are. Unfortunately, you feel for the main character, of course, but you're also kind of like

662
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:40,920
he's the you get introduced with him looking through a telescope to his to his, he's a peeper

663
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:47,640
right off the bat, right off the bat. Exactly. You're already just like, this guy.

664
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:57,640
Sure. And I can give a little bit of concede a little bit of again, this is an individual that is

665
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:08,440
so inept at, you know, having real human relations. So him being interested in seeing other people's

666
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:18,280
lives through with space in between makes sense. But absolutely. But again, the problem is, is that

667
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:27,880
they're just not likable enough where it made me think of the fact that George McFly, when you

668
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:37,560
meet them in the future, is a peeper, you know, but you it's crazy how weird, I will say, how easy

669
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:45,880
you're able to move in that movie because he just has such a like, it also makes sense. The way I

670
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,920
like to look at that, and it is like a weird thing, but it makes sense why Marty wouldn't have

671
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:57,400
heard that story. And I like that idea of like, there's this like kind of like seedy underbelly of

672
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:02,600
like the story of your parents getting together. Maybe you don't fully know. And then you find it

673
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,960
out this way is in my mind with the mind with the movie is going for of like digging up those things

674
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:13,400
you didn't know about your parents history of their relationship and themselves. And I yeah,

675
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:20,120
it doesn't have to be a perfect, you know, celibate whatever sort of character like that's

676
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:27,640
that's chess and all that shit. And it doesn't especially in a gritty movie. But I gotta give

677
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,760
me something. I mean, gotta give me gotta give me something even when Wallace Sean doesn't get get

678
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:43,000
a moment to be like, I know. Yeah, like his usage in this movie is so underutilized. I really I spent

679
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:49,160
like 30 minutes trying to figure out why Wallace Sean did this in the same thing every scene. He

680
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:54,200
doesn't do anything. He just constantly says the same fucking thing every scene. Right. He just

681
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,960
berates him about not being a good worker. It's just over and over again. It's like,

682
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,800
you need to be better. You you're not a good worker. Let me call you know, always calling

683
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:09,560
him the wrong name and stuff like that. And it yeah, it's just so it's not funny. And it's just

684
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:19,400
overall unenjoyable to just see a such a well known actor be subjugated to this where yeah,

685
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:26,920
you're just a smarmy asshole that has such a little to do and such a little effect on almost

686
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:35,000
everything. Yeah, I mean, those are those are I think Mia is doing what she can in the movie.

687
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:40,760
But also that is an opportunity for there to be more life as well. But it just this is the movie

688
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:51,960
that I wanted to make and the tone that he wanted to set. But I'm not really rooting for the main

689
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:57,800
character. I'm just I'm like rooting for things to just like people leave him alone a little bit.

690
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,840
The thing about people not recognizing him and the guy that like, and every single time he goes in,

691
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,800
they don't know who he is. That's supposed to be really funny too. That doesn't they do that every

692
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,520
every single time is like the new day will start and then it'll start with that is how you know

693
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:18,360
it's like a new day, I guess, that's a signifier. But that got old really quick and was never really

694
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:24,760
that funny in the character that had to stop him at every at every point. Yeah, even at like the party.

695
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:33,000
But yeah, I mean, barreling to the through this movie, like just to bring up like the the end,

696
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,760
and I couldn't even like really put piece it all together. And there were moments where I'd pause

697
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,560
and go back a little bit and try to keep track of everything that was going on because like,

698
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,480
there was a moment where even Mia was like, about to kill herself and then you find out that it was

699
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,240
and that she then he stops her then you find out because of that she has a miscarriage.

700
00:49:53,880 --> 00:50:00,760
And that is blown by there's like a throwaway line for all of that. And she's just and then

701
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:06,520
she's like upset at it. And then like that leads into the rest of the movie like right from that.

702
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:16,040
And that's that was such a thrown in thing to propel us through the end. And I don't I didn't

703
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:23,560
feel good at the end of this movie. I felt confused. I felt used. No, I just like it threw me around

704
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:28,200
like a like a like a blender like those blue drink blenders. I felt like I was in one of the which

705
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,560
looked really tasty. I want one of those blue drinks, but I felt like I was getting blended

706
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:38,440
around in there at the end here is nonsensical and too much at once when there was not enough

707
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,440
leading up to it. Yeah. Yeah. No, what do you think of that? Like, how did you react to all

708
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,520
the stuff at the end there? Like where you were like, Oh, good things are happening action or

709
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:54,600
like for me, I was at first like that. But then I was like, it's not coalescing. It's not all

710
00:50:54,600 --> 00:51:02,040
edit. Is that the editing? I don't know. How do you feel about it? I mean, I at this point

711
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:08,760
of the movie, it just there was such a like I was so disinterested in what was going on.

712
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:17,240
Because at the end, like you could really see the I know that the ending is odd. And I obviously

713
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:24,120
didn't see it coming. But like I also kind of saw it coming. And so there's just this malaise

714
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:29,560
and also to the movie is really propagating the malaise that I felt with viewing this because

715
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:37,000
it's just so much of like his mother treats him like shit. Mia doesn't love him. Then the his

716
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:43,400
boss treats him like shit. Then his his double treats him like it's a show is a new thing that

717
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:50,920
he's working on some regression model that's going to be great. I don't know. Yeah. The kernel.

718
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:58,920
Oh, yeah, I'm sure the kernel. I don't know. Anyways. But so to the ending to your question was,

719
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:07,160
I was honestly more just focusing on the where the camera was, because that's honestly the

720
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:14,680
most enjoyment that I got out of the movie because the he did put the camera in really

721
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:23,160
crazy places like that once like where the camera does the fall and then like goes onto the ground.

722
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:29,160
That was very Wes Anderson in that shot. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I felt like I don't know.

723
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:38,440
Yeah. But nonetheless, there's also, you know, the whole scene of the grave for his mother where

724
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,000
there's a lot of like really interesting shots. There's one where like Mia runs out to

725
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:51,000
like because Simon just tried to commit suicide. And then like the camera like ratchets way,

726
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:58,760
way back. And then you get this really large POV of that that you know, scene going on. And that

727
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:04,840
stuff was honestly the most interesting part of this whole movie was some of that stuff. And

728
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,600
the hallway with the lighting there like with the different colors, some of the different colors

729
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:13,960
were like, like, oh, I almost I almost see like an interesting thing they're trying to do here.

730
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,640
Or like, Oh, it's a blue. It's a they could even done a little bit more with that. Oh, it's a red

731
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:25,640
color. Oh, interesting. Oh, colors and colors are fun. Yeah. I mean, we talked about what was it?

732
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,040
You're gonna die tomorrow. What is that? You're gonna die tomorrow movie or whatever.

733
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,200
That was a great use of colored lights. Like there was a whole like monster. I was like the

734
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:39,800
monster in that movie was colored lights. Yeah, just like look at it. And then it depended on

735
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:48,040
that they're acting like, oh, my God, we're all like, I'm fucking die. What a subtle way of

736
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:56,600
explaining and communicating an idea and an idea. Yeah. Right. Just communicating a thematic idea.

737
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:03,640
Yeah. Or yeah, just like communicating an idea through those elements of yeah, color and also,

738
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:09,480
yeah, in that movie that you referenced, like being so close on them and really just

739
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:17,480
like for long, I remember like for a while, so you could really see so much internal stuff happening

740
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:23,800
because you're just so close to their eyes. So yeah, like this movie had some of that.

741
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:31,080
Yeah. But the ending, yeah, it's just, again, there's so much suicide in this movie.

742
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:39,960
I know. For it to be a also trying to be a comedy seems, I don't know, like.

743
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:46,840
I didn't expect the Mia one that did that. Like to just short credited that character,

744
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:52,920
that moment, everything like and to go right back into his stuff that the climactic moment maybe

745
00:54:52,920 --> 00:55:00,840
would be when he's like, he's on my face. That's my face. With the with the arm, you're talking

746
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:06,040
about that scene. Oh my God. That was the third part I laughed at. Yeah. That's the third part.

747
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:14,120
Oh my God. Thank you. The prosthetic. That's my last note. I can't give Rudolph his arm back.

748
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:21,080
In conceivable. I was like, where'd he get that army? And then the line was so perfectly

749
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,960
time. I was like, give Rudolph his arm. That's like taking the shit out of the dramatic moment.

750
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,960
They could have done a little bit more. I think with that is like if you're going to have this

751
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:35,800
intense dark things like, yeah, and I think they were trying, but maybe it just didn't land.

752
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:41,960
I'll go through some. Let me see if there's any other notes I wanted to look at. It took almost

753
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,840
no notes. The only one I really was like right at the beginning, then I just trailed off. But the

754
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:53,880
first part of this movie reminded me so much of paper, please. Because he gets there and then

755
00:55:53,880 --> 00:56:00,760
there's that whole interaction guard to get him into his office. And then it's like, no, you'd

756
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:06,920
need not only just this ID, but you also need this other piece of paper. And I was like, wow,

757
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:11,560
this is so like paper. This is for you. Minded me of and I'm trying to be short with this.

758
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:18,440
But the Andrew Callahan Channel 5 News Channel 5 did a documentary on Las Vegas and the people who

759
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:23,000
live in the tunnels in Las Vegas. And it was like an hour and a half long got taken down for

760
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:28,280
bullshit reasons. Try not to get into that. But I had the opportunity to watch it. And it's amazing.

761
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,920
One of the big struggles of people that live in the tunnels of Las Vegas is getting an ID.

762
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:39,640
It's it was it's they it sounds very difficult for them to get an ID when you don't have like

763
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:46,680
you need an ID to get an ID sort of thing. And I need an address to get an ID and that can that

764
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:52,600
can be difficult. And that whole scene of him sitting down with the guy of like, okay, well,

765
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,520
how do we fix this? How do I get back in the system? You say I'm not how do I get in like, no,

766
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:02,040
it's like you need an ID like, well, how do I don't have one in that it just it was maybe a stretch,

767
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:06,600
but it was I'd watched it recently enough that kind of reminded me of that and that humor of

768
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,000
beer, the bureaucratic system that doesn't make sense. You sit down to someone face to face who

769
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,200
goes pretty much by the rules of everything. And there's no humanity left. It's all just these

770
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:21,160
systems that we live and die by. And it's like, well, that's what it says. So it takes this computer

771
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:26,840
and smiles and walks away. It's like, you know, right. But it also kind of I exist, right? Like,

772
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:33,320
you know, I'm standing here, like I exist. Yeah, you know, I you know, I am like,

773
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,560
I existed before in the system. So put me back in and that's the thing is that yeah,

774
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,320
I'm gonna arrest them for trespassing know exactly how they are put them in prison.

775
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,240
They're in that system, but you can't put them in, you know, to get them get in my

776
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:50,680
absolutely. All right, I'll try not to get too into that. That it's, it's a scary one.

777
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:56,200
A dystopia reminds you of reality. But that's why that's part of like sci fi right. I always

778
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,760
like sci fi writings and those kind of things because that's where it's drawing from. It's

779
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,680
like, oh, you're gonna go down this. This is like the most extreme version of this path that our

780
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,560
society can go down or something. Yeah, my first two notes are lighting is harsh,

781
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,320
and everything aggressively looks like a set. And that's like the very first thing I noticed.

782
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,720
And it just carried through all the way through. Melanie is playing that duck hunt game with like

783
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:22,520
the kernel, the way she's sitting on the couch and playing this duck hunt game was kind of funny.

784
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:27,720
That was a weird character. It did nothing for me as well. Nothing. So the whole thing about

785
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:33,080
taking the key to his room, I don't know. Because the only reason she was there is to

786
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:42,280
be the foil that me that Hannah kills herself, essentially, because Jane sleeps with her and

787
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:48,440
then Hannah finds out, which then triggers that. And it also was like leverage for the kernel

788
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:54,760
and leverage. Yeah, it was the leverage to yeah, yeah, because Jane sleeps with her and then takes

789
00:58:54,760 --> 00:59:01,640
pictures of it and then obviously just like uses that as leverage to which again, how it's so crazy

790
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:09,000
and so stupid and so like simple that all of that leverage was for him to use as a partman to fuck

791
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:17,480
chicks in or something. Yeah, some key that he like who cares? Like this movie needed to move

792
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:24,840
along and it's like, let's just spend 40 minutes just with this whole like, yes, James is an asshole.

793
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:31,400
Like, and he's just hooking up with even the going so far as hooking up with the diner woman.

794
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:37,960
That was kind of funny. He brings her back. Then he just kind of gives it away. Well, he nearly

795
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:43,480
is like, I'm going to tell him and then he he's like, fine, I won't, you know, I won't. I forget

796
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,760
what the letter like what he says he wouldn't do. He's like, and he says he's not going to tell him

797
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:52,280
and then he just goes and tells him anyways. And it just seems so haphazard that part too much time

798
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:58,760
spent to these repetitive things when, yeah, the last portion had had a lot to get into and absorb

799
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:05,160
and take in. I never seen an old lady with pigtails. That was interesting. Yep. Yep. Peep and Tom

800
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:13,080
torn up that torn up picture thing. I don't know. And then our hands because of it. Like the journal

801
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,360
at the end of all of them. I was like, this is supposed to be a big moment. They're both crying.

802
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:24,040
I'm like, I feel nothing. Absolutely nothing in this moment. That's not good, right? That's not

803
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:29,080
good. That's terrible. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. TV show looks awesome.

804
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:41,160
Why didn't you notice you're unnoticeable? They're both monotone. Are you a flamer is what he asked

805
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:46,840
him? That was like blue miles. Like, whoa. Whoa. Why is this an attribute for him?

806
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,560
They're recording lives is what they mentioned is their job at one point. So there's like a little

807
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,240
bull hand. There's the thing with like her rubbing the cups together like, oh, they changed the cups.

808
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:03,400
The other ones made it sound like crickets. And then this scene ended. I was like, okay.

809
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:11,880
Okay. All right. Moving on. Never mind.

810
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,000
Some of my notes, my judge had very few of them were really about quotes from like stuff that

811
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:25,080
was on TV in the movie, you know, because there's this whole like monologue about that commercial

812
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:30,680
about how like people are our business and business and people and people do business and we are

813
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:39,080
about business and just like doing that whole thing. It's like just a bunch of yeah, like generic

814
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:48,760
shots of people doing business. Oh, yeah. That whole like, that was okay. It's something where

815
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:53,960
that's like, that's that term I, I feel like I've never heard it anywhere else, but I feel like

816
01:01:53,960 --> 01:02:01,000
I've mentioned other times where it's that contrived camp where it's trying to be this retro and this

817
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:07,000
is the whole retro futurism thing that this movie is trying to do. Maybe a little cyber punky, but

818
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:13,400
it's kind of the retro futuristic sort of sort of thing and in a little bit of the Eastern European,

819
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:19,480
I guess with Dostoyevsky and like how the apartment blocks and where they work. But

820
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:29,560
style, yeah, I don't know if the style fully works. Oh, the date, I hated that man. I hated that they

821
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,960
did that the fucking microphone trick with him in the bathroom and him going on the date. I'm like,

822
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:40,360
are we really fucking doing this right now? I'm really fucking doing this. And the stupidest part

823
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,680
is the only reason you would ever do that is because they don't look the two people wouldn't

824
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,960
look the same. If you look the same, you don't need to do the microphone thing. You just have

825
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:53,160
to go on the date and then switch later when you're about to do the deed or whatever. But you don't

826
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,160
need to do the microphone thing. You guys look exactly the fucking same, except when you don't

827
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:03,320
need to the narrative hinges on that. Depend like it depends on that sometimes and in a annoying way.

828
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:09,880
But that bug me so much is like, you're really fucking shallow howling it right now. Oh, I

829
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:17,240
cannot believe I'm watching shallow howling. And I like that movie. But now knowing a little bit

830
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:25,240
more about, you know, I don't know, Richard's approach to this or his sensibilities. Like in

831
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:30,760
his mind, he probably looks at that is also a joke. The fact that that's happening and they're

832
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,800
the same person. Yeah. Right. Like that's also isn't that so funny? Because to your point,

833
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:41,160
like typically it would be and I'm the idiot for not. Yeah. For criticizing it. James, you're not

834
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,720
stopping. You're not an idiot. No. Oh, no, just like that. That's how you like it's like,

835
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,560
it's very intentional. But I'm not getting is what you might say to me is like, oh, you just

836
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:54,760
don't get it. But even if I did, I don't think I'd like it. It's just not a good joke. Yeah,

837
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:59,080
it's not that you're an idiot. It's just not a fucking good joke. Yeah, which this movie has

838
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:05,320
a lot of not good jokes. And then on top of it, you're layering so much of the plot and so much

839
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:13,080
of the other stuff is so fucking morose. So incredibly morose. Yeah. Like I can express enough

840
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:20,520
the relationship he has with his mother is so upsetting. There's no arc to that relationship

841
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:26,920
either. He gets a knife out of that. That's how that loop ends is like he gets a knife from

842
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:34,760
her friend. Friend. Right. I don't know, maybe like a nurse or yeah, anyways,

843
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:40,680
but pigtail. She just had that. Yeah. No, I'm glad you're really stressing that because there is

844
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:49,000
not a light at the end of the tunnel with this movie. No, this movie leave us is him laying in

845
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:55,000
the ambulance and like what is there's the his one version in the bar that you get the head,

846
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,560
the blood coming out of his head and then you get the version on the ground. You know,

847
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:04,520
it's the same person or whatever, but on the ground with the blood come. But then he opens

848
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:10,200
his eyes and his arm comes up, I guess, and then she's there. I feel I feel nothing. I feel nothing,

849
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:17,240
Brad. And what do I do? Totally. I mean, it's yeah, and it's understandable because, you know,

850
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:22,440
not well, mainly because I also felt the same way watching this is that I don't feel anything because

851
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:30,600
I'm it's almost like my nerves are shot. You know, like this movie is so all over the place and also

852
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:39,160
very intense. And like right from the go, it doesn't really let off and it just numbs you a

853
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,720
little bit where you're like, think about how many fucking suicides are in this goddamn movie?

854
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,800
Yeah, like this is a movie that has like four suicides in it. Like,

855
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:53,400
they talk about it to talk about it endlessly with everybody. And it's like, how can I?

856
01:05:55,240 --> 01:06:04,760
It's to me, it's equivalent to in Star Wars, The Last Jedi. In the beginning of it, there's the scene

857
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:13,400
where Poe is crank calling a Dom hell Gleason's character and just having this whole fun, you

858
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:20,200
know, just commuted banter and whatnot. And then zip. People are dying in space. Like,

859
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:29,480
oh, Jesus, like, I mean, at least that movie benefits from doing the funny stuff first before

860
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:35,960
the intense stuff. So at least you're like a little bit more like this one's all at the same

861
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:41,000
time, baby. All the same time. And then also, but also front loading, not humor and front

862
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:48,280
loading a lot of grim realities and grim sci fi, you know, satire of what the world could become

863
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:54,120
where it's all about just companies, you know, doing business. And then everybody that works

864
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:59,000
there is the soulless person who just clicky clacks on a keyboard and does reports. And it's

865
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:05,720
like, oh, this man, I know we're not there yet, but man, it's just crazy how

866
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:13,720
unsuccessful this movie noticeably is in like, you see what it's trying to do.

867
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,920
And so many ways along the road, you're like,

868
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,480
I get what you're trying to do, but this isn't working. It gets worse as the movie goes on.

869
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:32,120
Unfortunately, like everything that I had issues with like got just worse and worse and worse

870
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:37,400
as it as it went on. I think that's essential. That's pretty much all my notes. I know there's

871
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:42,040
this point where Mio was like saying something about like, I forget why he was watching her this

872
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:47,720
time. He always does, but he she finds out and then she says like it's reassuring to be watched.

873
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:55,720
And I was like, did I catch that? It's okay. It's reassuring to it's reassuring to be watched.

874
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,960
And immediately after he like hold very casually, whatever, in a flirty sort of way, whatever,

875
01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:05,640
he puts his hand out to touch her arm. Right after she she's saying, fine, watch me all you want,

876
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:10,600
baby. And then he touches her a little bit. He's like, just fucking touch me. And I was like,

877
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:16,360
yeah, what is happening? I can't track characters in this. I don't know who people are and what

878
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:21,800
they want. And that's tough in a movie, especially in that was much later on in the movie. I don't

879
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:26,040
know who these people are what they want and their goals and their wants and needs and what the arc

880
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:34,840
needs to be for them. And you can end on a darker note too, if you want, but fuck, it just,

881
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:44,920
I think is hard to grasp onto the straws. And I mean, and to that too is like, in my mind, like,

882
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:54,040
if I could just try to like simply put it is that Hannah Mia's character,

883
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:59,640
she kills herself just because a guy she just met doesn't want to date her.

884
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,600
I guess dude, that part was blown over.

885
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,160
That's go to jail material. Yeah.

886
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,080
Movie wise, like, it's very close.

887
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,960
Fuck you movie for her whole entire life. Yeah.

888
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:17,640
Is predicated on whether or not a guy she just met is into her, which she's never even had a

889
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:22,520
relationship with. It isn't like they, you know, we get this whole thing of like, they're having

890
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,560
maybe an assemblance of like a real relationship. It is.

891
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:29,240
I guess. And then she had his she's having his kid. Is that the deal?

892
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:36,840
Yeah, that's what we are supposed to think is that in the in the one hookup session that they did

893
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:41,640
have that she got pregnant. And that's where the man, this is things to do in Denver.

894
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,600
When you're dead type of a powerful semen.

895
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:51,160
Right. Yeah. Right. And just, holy, it's quite the reference, but you know, if you know, you know,

896
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:57,640
if you're listening, go to bed, go to bed. Yeah.

897
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,600
Very potent, but yeah, fuck. I don't know.

898
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:08,680
This is tough because it is a movie. Yeah. I think I was very curious about very interested in

899
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:15,080
the comparison between this and enemy. I'm happy that we didn't go in. I didn't want to bring up

900
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:21,160
that movie too much, but fascinating. They both came out the same year. And now having

901
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,640
not just that comparison, but this movie alone, it's like, Oh, I like this movie. I should like

902
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:33,160
this one. Wow. Did not enjoy myself in that spoiler alert for my review, I guess. But before we get

903
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:38,200
to our reviews, we should get into some critics and audiences reviews on round tomatoes before we

904
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,840
did. We do that. Let's take a little break and we'll be right back.

905
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:18,840
Yeah.

906
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:25,480
That is the song he chooses to play on jukebox. Right.

907
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:33,320
That had like a jukebox to have that. That is the one that is this go to jukebox song. Yeah.

908
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:39,800
Yeah. Why? That was such a big moment because he goes to the bathroom on this date.

909
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,120
I'm not sure. I think this is later when they kiss and everyone applauds.

910
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:49,160
It's a weird moment. This is a weird movie. It's supposed to be weird. But it's trying to be weird.

911
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:53,160
But God, what was I just saying? Fuck. Sorry.

912
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,520
Yeah, she comes back from the bathroom and then it does that whole cutaway

913
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:08,440
of her reading the note that she leaves. And it's such a kooky sort of quirky sort of thing for

914
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:13,400
someone to do in a movie that is also fun in that way, too. Like something like some Zoe

915
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:17,960
Deschanel would do in five hundred days of summer or something. It's cute. It's like a cute little

916
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:23,160
moment. And it does that zoom in on her face, which is a fun camera move. And she's like play.

917
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:29,640
Like she leaves them a quarter like had to go play something happy on the jukebox fun. Fun.

918
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:36,200
I don't know. I don't play something fun or something like that. And then you see the cool

919
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:40,680
flipping of the coin. She throws it. And then it's like this unrecognizable coin, which is a

920
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:45,080
little clue into the this is a universe that we don't know. And it's like, oh, this is fun. But

921
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:53,960
then yeah, OK, this is the song I'm going to pick. And I was like, oh, I'm not mad. But you're

922
01:12:53,960 --> 01:13:00,680
also kind of think that it's going to be like a little bit more recognizable, maybe, but this is

923
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:06,120
the universe that we're in. And the song is a big deal on this universe. Yeah, because I mean,

924
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:13,160
just fundamentally, you're like, is he just listening to like 70s Japanese R&B artists?

925
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:18,040
Like, yeah, is that retro future? I don't know. And that's his jam. It's just I don't know.

926
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:23,720
Is he going to put on like city pop music? Is he going to go to a cocktail lounge and some swingers?

927
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:29,240
Does he? Yeah. Does he like chill lo-fi beats, too? I don't know. Like, yeah, fucking.

928
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:37,000
That would be so you put a lo-fi beat on that song. I'd be into it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All right.

929
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:45,480
Let's check out some reviews from the poo-poos over on the critic side. They gave an 83 percent

930
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:51,960
certified fresh movie is a spicy movie. And it's a 59 percent audience. It's not like completely

931
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:57,400
poopy, doopie, snoopy, but it's definitely sub par, sub certified fresh.

932
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:04,680
Let's get into some thoughts and feelings from the critics side of things.

933
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:16,280
Let's take a look at Kate Muir from the Times at UK says British director I.O.

934
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:21,480
Adé's second film is jam packed with witty references from cheesy sci fi soap operas to

935
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:31,080
the long suffering men who populate the Coen Brothers films. John Seamley, family from Globe

936
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:37,640
and Mail. The film's bleakness is almost satirical. It's Brazil drained of the daydreams.

937
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:45,240
Hmm. I mean, God, he's yeah, he's a little bit more tuned in than the one before. Well, here are a

938
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:51,320
few I think Brazil references from these critics, which is a movie I'm not super familiar with.

939
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:57,160
But I did a little bit. I've I've seen I haven't finished it the time I watched it. But I get the

940
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:03,640
I get the reference. You can you can see all the references that this guy is pulling from from

941
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:11,560
Tiber Boston Globe. The double is a striking piece of work, but it's nostalgic for a kind

942
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:16,760
of paranoia that may no longer exist. There are different things to frighten us now.

943
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,200
What does that mean? Yeah, what are you implying, Tiber?

944
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:28,920
Yeah, it's a little cryptic. From Evan Williams, that the Australian says,

945
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:35,000
at some point, the double begins to look like a critique of a regimented world of docile consumers

946
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:41,080
enslaved by dehumanizing technology. But nothing feels heavy or pretentious.

947
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:49,560
I would not agree. I'm going to have to say, yeah, I'm going to have to say cap.

948
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:54,440
Oh, man. That is so cab. I'm going to have to throw a little cap in there.

949
01:15:55,720 --> 01:16:01,720
OK. Dana Steven slate. I already creates a uniquely stylized dystopia,

950
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:08,520
lit and dusty tones of olive and okra and scored mysteriously, but somehow perfectly,

951
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,360
to vintage Japanese pop. That's a vintage Japanese pop.

952
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,920
This score is good. Yeah. There's another song for the credits.

953
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,080
It's pretty pretty good, too. There's like this band that these a couple,

954
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:25,000
couple songs from this, yeah, like 60s Japanese pop band.

955
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,720
I want it from Kyle Smith, New York Post.

956
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:34,520
I want his breathtakingly realized oddity will appeal to fans of David Lynch and the

957
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:40,840
comic surrealism of Derry Gilliams Brazil. Here we go again. And we'll do one more from Bob

958
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,920
Mandelo from NPR, eight and a half out of 10. Sorry, I haven't been given all these scores.

959
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,720
Some of them they don't say, but they just did a little fresh tomato there.

960
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:54,040
Bob Mandelo says this workplace as healthscape is not new territory. Exactly.

961
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:58,840
The story is based on Dostoevsky plays like Kafka and looks like an Orwellian nightmare.

962
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:04,760
But who'd complain since it lets Jesse Eisenberg offer what amounts to an acting master class?

963
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,680
It's a master class brandy. Get over it.

964
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:14,120
I mean, yeah, I can I can understand those references that they were making for sure.

965
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:21,880
Yeah, these these critics, that's where they whether they like it or not, they know the

966
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:27,160
references and they appreciate them for that. And it's it's interesting how it can kind of go

967
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:33,400
either way in that department. Because for me, that did not work as well. And speaking of not

968
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:39,640
working well, let's hear what the audience audiences have to say for the 59 percent range of thinking.

969
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:45,880
What's that? You're like, speaking of not working well, let's talk about the people that loved it.

970
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:52,120
Oh, no, the audiences hate it. Oh, that's right. I'm so fucked up. You fucked up my transition,

971
01:17:52,120 --> 01:18:05,320
Brad, Dini, the emperor's group right there. Emperor James, Dini from Vi Vibehov, Agarwal, one star.

972
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:11,560
They say, don't watch it. If you want your brain to be in one piece, just don't frickin watch it.

973
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:16,120
It's a very, very depressive and just nonsense, utter nonsensical movie.

974
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:24,680
Yeah, yeah, from Sunil Sinj, one star. I think the screenwriter stole it from

975
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:29,080
Stas Tiavsky's novel by the same name. They should have at least not taken the whole credit for it.

976
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:36,760
They took all the credit. Not all heroes wear caves. Gotta give it up for Doss.

977
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:47,240
Yeah, hey, don't let's not forget. Yeah, let's say, yeah. Let's go to Carlos Carlos Restrepo,

978
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:51,560
one star. Definitely movies in which the good guys dies are deplorable and viewers hate them.

979
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:59,960
Don't waste your time. Francisco Ibanez, the third one star. They say nonsense and boring

980
01:18:59,960 --> 01:19:07,560
movie one hour and 30 minutes of my life wasted. Thank God this movie was that long. Yes, that's

981
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:15,880
one thing I appreciate 30 minutes longer. Oh, scary. From Ninja one star. This movie is incredibly

982
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,160
boring from first second to last second. You won't see anything interesting.

983
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:27,640
From Jamie Kaye one star. Geez, this was a trial to sit through. I consider leaving the

984
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:33,160
cinema several times but held out till the end. Richard I. Oade's brand of oh so cool kooky

985
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:38,120
stick just does nothing for me. And I found this to be interminably boring and it ultimately

986
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:51,880
pointless. British Wes Anderson. Give me a fucking break. From Markella one star. Why Richard I. Ode?

987
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:56,920
I odd a rock. Why? I was going to guess this was a French film, but English was my second gas.

988
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:01,480
Sandwich next to movies like City of Lost Children and something that was meant to come out between

989
01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:08,920
99 and 2001. Boring meant to be a dark comedy, I believe one of those desolate European future

990
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:14,040
films where it's always night, possibly because the sky is filled with soot. I'm sure the double

991
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:23,160
is for someone, but not me. That review was great because it's like first off, it just makes me

992
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:31,000
think that the person in every movie is like what country is this from? Like that's always a blank

993
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:35,640
slate every time you watch a movie, even though maybe you clearly know it's from a certain country.

994
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:41,720
There's a few different accents getting flown around here. Yeah. But then also to that ending is so

995
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:48,040
funny where it's like, yeah, still they don't know where it's from because they call it like European.

996
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:55,160
And they admit that it's, yeah, anyway. It's like, yeah, it's probably one of those European

997
01:20:55,160 --> 01:21:00,680
future films. Right. But you admitted in the first half it's not European.

998
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:08,600
I was going to guess it was French, but English was my second. Yeah. We'll do one more from Danny

999
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:16,600
Boyo. Boyoyo one star. The ultimate cuck movies to be cucked by yourself. All right. That's

1000
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:24,520
audience reviews. Let's wrap it up. I love ending on a

1001
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:32,520
yep. Hell yeah. You know, you just give your keys away to yourself to

1002
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:41,640
say how to be a bang room that you don't have access to. Whoa. Oh, a bang room. Holy shit.

1003
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:53,160
Yeah, man. Smell. You want my key? Let's wrap up the ideas for polarization. I just like any

1004
01:21:53,960 --> 01:22:01,640
feelings on that. Why the critics liked it as much as they did, I think is a surprise to me.

1005
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:07,800
I don't think this movie, obviously, through our opinion and what you've heard today,

1006
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:12,680
don't think it does for me what it does for these critics. I get the polls and the references to

1007
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:19,960
better films and better directors. Unfortunately, I'm sorry to be mean, but for me, it just didn't

1008
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:31,080
work in the same way. And I for the audience, like sampling there, I get the boring thing. Like,

1009
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:35,800
I had a hard time getting through this for an hour and a half long movie, especially

1010
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:43,640
I watched the enemy like before. And I am sorry to do that. But like that movie barely has any

1011
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:50,680
dialogue. It's very visual and slow, but not fucking boring. And that it is a slow movie. And

1012
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:56,040
it and not a lot happens, but it is not fucking boring. And I am like enthralled and like, I

1013
01:22:56,040 --> 01:23:06,200
kind of have to stop and just like fully soak it in. And that did not bode well for the double for me.

1014
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:15,880
But to give it an 83% from the critics and founding is is too high. Yeah, it's this is one of those

1015
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:21,000
movies where yeah, both of us are on the same page of like, wow, that's so crazy that the critics

1016
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:28,040
don't recognize the what we've discussed as being very like apparent like issues and very

1017
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:34,680
fundamental problems of the movie and overlooking that. And really my yeah, I would just say the

1018
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:41,720
reason that this is polarizing is because critics muscle, you know, recognize Richard as an up and

1019
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:47,160
potential up and coming director that at times in this movie do interesting things with the camera.

1020
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:53,400
And then also the themes of doing a doi soyevsky in this day and age, but adding more comedy to

1021
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:58,280
it and him being a comedy guy, being something that they want to herald and being, you know,

1022
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:05,000
more on board with again, it's just so weird because I feel like this always happens is like,

1023
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:12,520
I think that they're more into the idea and the context and of this movie than the movie itself.

1024
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:20,120
Because yeah, this it's, I just doesn't make sense how critics are able to not recognize

1025
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:31,400
so many blatant issues with pacing characters, plotting, just, you know, the basics.

1026
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:36,920
Yeah, it's tough because I feel like I like movies that don't necessarily adhere themselves to a

1027
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:46,680
plot or a narrative and more of a vibe, if you will. And this was such a weird uneven sort of

1028
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:55,480
type of pastry or something where you like it's burnt on the outside and raw in the middle.

1029
01:24:55,480 --> 01:25:01,320
I don't know how to put it, but it's very uneven, everything about it. And I'm glad that we were

1030
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:06,200
able to try to coalesce our thoughts. And I think we had to talk more big picture about what it's

1031
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:12,360
trying to do. Syllistically, because that's such a big part of why it wants to exist. This movie

1032
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:17,720
is for the style because the story obviously has been done before and is done again in the same year.

1033
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:24,120
So yeah, the conversation went better than I expected because I after that movie, I was like,

1034
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:29,560
I don't even know if I can tell you what happened in it. But this helps kind of bounce enough

1035
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:36,120
with you about our ideas of it and our feelings. And I'm glad where it seems like we're in

1036
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:42,520
the general ballpark. And to get an idea of really, really where we land in that ballpark,

1037
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:47,640
what do you think you'd rank this bad boy, Brandini, and any other final final thoughts you

1038
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:55,480
want to give it? Yeah. This is an interesting one because

1039
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:05,480
what's interesting about this, well, also too, I just want to say that I'm still reeling from our

1040
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:12,200
Roadhouse episode. Classic, classic app people. Classic app. But I've just been reeling from

1041
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:17,640
that because at the end of it, when we were giving our reviews, you know, our guest, Evan was like,

1042
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:26,440
really saying to us like, you're not being critical about this. You're almost operating on

1043
01:26:26,440 --> 01:26:33,240
vibes with this movie. Because to his credit, like, it's not like he didn't like the movie at all.

1044
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,840
Like we had such a great discussion. There was things that he loved about it. But yeah,

1045
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:40,280
it was like a 54 movie, but I think he gave it like 70 or something for vibes.

1046
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:46,680
He did. Yeah. But you know, so I'm still reeling from that. And I think about and I thought about

1047
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:53,080
it multiple times outside of that episode leading up to this, because like, he's not wrong. Like

1048
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:59,000
when it came to that movie, so much of it is like, this movie just makes me feel good. I get that

1049
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:05,880
there's problems with it. And if you are to be critical of it, he was amazing at giving like

1050
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:12,440
his summation and saying why it's a 50. And it's almost like he's approaching scoring. Like I was

1051
01:27:12,440 --> 01:27:18,200
just thinking about this too. And, you know, or in relation to what I'm talking about with his

1052
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:24,760
scoring method with a video, I saw on TikTok rating movies. And there's a tendency just in our

1053
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:30,920
generation and online where everybody just gives things like eights and eights through tens. Like

1054
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:44,040
no one's ever like coming to this being very like, how do I say this? Like coming at it from a

1055
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:50,520
perspective that if you just give everything tens, then what like, you know, then everything

1056
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:56,600
can't work out for that. Yeah, you can't work out for that. So you're saying if it did like 15%

1057
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:01,240
more, it's like the best movie ever. It's Citizen King. He made that point too. Yeah. But then I

1058
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:07,320
don't deny that. Like I don't deny that it was an 85% experience for me. And that's where it

1059
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:16,120
comes to down to like experience over objective content maybe. And but that's exactly where

1060
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:21,160
you have every right to score it. How you want. And my whole thing was that's kind of how you and

1061
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:25,000
Danny felt about the things to do in Denver when you're dead episode. And I was more on the heaven

1062
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:30,680
side of things where I was like, I get why you guys enjoy this. And I even enjoyed myself watching

1063
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:38,520
it with you. But I understood. Yeah, it was like, it's not the content is bad for me. And it doesn't

1064
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:46,120
go over that hill of being maybe so bad. It's good. Roadhouse is a weird one. Because that yeah,

1065
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:52,200
can't even crack crack that, you know, can't, can't worms open again. But that that has it all for

1066
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:59,320
me in a lot of ways as a as a movie going experience. Sorry, your review off. No, no, no,

1067
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:03,880
no, you're adding. Yeah, I kind of want this to be a dialogue because again, I've just been thinking

1068
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:09,320
so much about, you know, what he said, because there's we're giving scores to these movies.

1069
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:18,440
And it is interesting that how much emotion or feeling can play a part of that as opposed to

1070
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:23,640
other movies where we're very critical of. So that's why I bring this up in relation to this

1071
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:30,840
movie. There's examples like, spy kids, you know, for me. Yeah, there's a bunch of them, man. I mean,

1072
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:37,400
also to like one of our first episodes with Lion King, like I wasn't like a history thing. That

1073
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:42,040
was more just like a taste. But yeah, it just comes out. It's like that's what I was with the

1074
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:47,560
vibe of it. Yes. I think it was still like a 60 years something. I think I sold it like

1075
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:54,680
60 or 70 fresh, but I understood the problems and I was like, sure, I sat with my cat, we snuggled

1076
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:59,560
and he watched it intently. And I was like, this is a good experience for me. And I also like

1077
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:05,000
enjoyed it in the movie theater. I'm sorry, keep cutting you off. No, no, no, you're good. And it's

1078
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:13,960
the way that I've thought about, you know, why, you know, giving Roadhouse, for example, such a

1079
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:21,240
high score is there's also this thing at work to where this movie is a really great example of it is

1080
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:31,560
that the critics giving this such a high score, it's I don't know, it comes off as being very

1081
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:39,960
pretentious and you're looking at movies in this sacred way that at times you're incapable of just

1082
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:45,480
letting it kind of wash over you and just letting the vibe of it and the enjoyment of just a movie

1083
01:30:45,480 --> 01:30:53,160
being a movie, you know, exist and you have to be so critical about it. And yeah, this this movie

1084
01:30:53,160 --> 01:31:03,160
elicits that where there I can understand to a small degree why critics gave this such a high

1085
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:10,360
score. But when you talk about or not when you talk about when watching this movie and how I felt

1086
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:17,960
about this movie, I did not feel good about watching this movie. I felt pretty shitty watching this

1087
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:27,800
movie. And yeah, again, it's just it's such a good example of critics being at by and large unable to

1088
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:33,400
shift over into that a little bit more of the audience mode of instead of being so like, oh,

1089
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:39,160
look how interest, you know, look how different or look how artistic all of these things are,

1090
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:43,960
instead taking a step back and going like, was that an enjoyable movie? And this is not an

1091
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:51,480
enjoyable movie. I would not recommend this to people at all. Like it's just so there's so little

1092
01:31:51,480 --> 01:31:59,400
redeeming. So terrible. I feel bad. But man, there's so little redeeming about this movie that I just

1093
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:06,360
yeah, again, it just it blows me away that critics give this such a high score and aren't able to

1094
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:11,080
to take their heads out of their own butts and go like, regardless of the camera work, regardless of

1095
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:17,080
the source material, regardless of the burgeoning actor, director, whatever, like, is this an enjoyable

1096
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:24,120
movie? And it's not. And so yeah, I'm because certain things landed with me.

1097
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:32,120
Just style wise, and a little bit of the comedy very little. Yeah, I'm going to give this movie

1098
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:37,720
like a 23% is where is how I'm feeling about it. For everything we've said and you and you

1099
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:42,360
finished with right there, that sounds completely fair. And you've given every given every reason

1100
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:47,720
to give it that low of a score. And what's frustrating for me and these kind of movies where

1101
01:32:48,440 --> 01:32:54,360
I don't enjoy is it ends up being almost lower for me because I'm so frustrated at like the

1102
01:32:54,360 --> 01:33:01,320
potential a little bit. And I resonate with the critics where it's like, hey, I am excited about

1103
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:05,720
the source material. It sounds interesting. Not maybe I'm not the biggest fan of like,

1104
01:33:06,440 --> 01:33:11,080
doubling up an actor and having them interact with each other. Not excited about that. Even

1105
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,800
going into this movie, I'm like, I hope there's not too much of that. There was a little too much.

1106
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:18,600
And that's where enemy was a little better where it's like, I don't need to be seen in the same

1107
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:25,880
place too much, but just the idea of them being in the same existence is interesting enough.

1108
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:36,120
Sure. This one, I was confounded almost immediately with the choices and the stylistic

1109
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:42,200
direction. The lighting threw me off instantaneously. Like I think that that is my first note. And then

1110
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:47,400
the set thing was like the first thing I took in and like, and like if we are talking about

1111
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:53,080
feelings and vibes and everything like that's that sort of stuff of just sensory parts of sound

1112
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:59,480
and video, you know, parts of watching anything. And those were already affecting me in negative

1113
01:33:59,480 --> 01:34:06,520
ways. So that was something I had to crack through a bit. So I'm so I'm I'm weeding through that

1114
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:14,360
trying trying to find the good stuff hacking through, you know, the bullshit. But I find I

1115
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:20,920
find some good stuff. I find, you know, like the audio editing and throwing in those sounds

1116
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:27,080
during the drain, seeing the close up of the drain with like the the combination of the sound of

1117
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,320
I forget exactly what that was. It was almost like just a mechanical thing. And then like the

1118
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:37,240
wind blowing, I think during a moment between him and Mia, you know, is something where I'm

1119
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:42,920
almost hanging on for dear life in this movie, because I'm just trying to find something to

1120
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:50,280
to enjoy and to hang to hang my hat on. And that would be also, yeah, like Jesse Eisenberg,

1121
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:54,280
I'm not like going to go see a movie because Jesse Eisenberg isn't it. I'm not going to I'm

1122
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:58,600
not he's not that kind of actor for me. I don't hate him, but I'm never going to be like, oh,

1123
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:04,680
it's Jesse. It's a new Jesse Eisenberg picture. But he is when he's utilized well,

1124
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:11,320
it I see how good he can be. And of course, that social network and he's watching that again

1125
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:16,840
recently is like an amazing performance. And in this one is like half of an amazing performance,

1126
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:22,760
you know, and I and that's I don't put it all on him completely because he tried something. And

1127
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:29,720
it seems like him and the director got along well. But that other side of him did not work for me,

1128
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:36,120
like at all, really. And having them in the scene together, the scene together, two of them,

1129
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:40,280
which is the point where you should be like, oh, now we're cooking in the movie. I'm like,

1130
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:47,000
oh, like I'm like, hit, hit, get me out of here, hit the brakes or get get them out of the same

1131
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:54,040
scene. I can't handle that's too much too much Eisenberg. So and then we reached the end of

1132
01:35:54,040 --> 01:36:00,200
the movie and I'm about to just like give up because the only I'm pausing and rewinding because

1133
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:04,200
I'm doing this podcast and I'm trying to take in the material and I'm giving this is the movie

1134
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:08,280
that I think it wants me to do that. It wants me to be like, oh, what's going on here? What's

1135
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:12,840
going on there? And I do that and it's not satisfying. And I write these notes and I'm just

1136
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:18,360
they trail off at the end because at the end I give up, I give up on the movie. I give up on

1137
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:23,000
everything it's giving me in the way that it resolves it. I don't find myself caring by the

1138
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:31,160
time it gets there. But there's some stylistic things that that work in like the brief sort of

1139
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:36,280
moments in between other things going on. There's like, Oh, that one was kind of cool or Oh, that

1140
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:44,920
one was kind of interesting. But overall, yeah, that that lighting, whoa, whoa. And this just felt

1141
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:52,440
like a stage play. So I will give it a 33. I guess it's like, yeah, that's like, yeah, ballpark.

1142
01:36:52,440 --> 01:36:57,640
But I want to do some sort of double up on the numbers. There's like a double. Oh, fun. There's

1143
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:07,480
a double three. It's a double three. That was our double episode. If they come out with the sequel,

1144
01:37:07,480 --> 01:37:15,800
really hope it's the double double. Or the trouble. Double trouble. That's it. Now,

1145
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:21,800
mind you, that's a joke Richard made. He's like, yeah, they made another one of the trouble.

1146
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:26,520
Okay. All right. Well, he's a funny guy. Of course he would come up with that. He's like,

1147
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:33,800
I've been I've been cooking on cooking on this. Yeah. I watched somebody feed Phil

1148
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:40,360
last night, the Iceland episode before we wrap up this episode. Sorry. But there's this joke that

1149
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:46,680
someone said, he's like, so why did you move to Iceland? And she was like for the weather.

1150
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:52,840
And I was like, I would make that joke every single fucking time anybody asked me when I

1151
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:57,240
lived in Iceland of like, why do you move here? Like, for the weather. That's like,

1152
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:01,400
good one. You just got to do that every time. Oh, yeah. Every time.

1153
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:09,640
Thank you so much everyone for joining us here on this, the double episode.

1154
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:16,360
Despite our feelings of the movie, I always say that I thoroughly enjoy our conversations. And it

1155
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:22,520
is for these ones that we don't like so much. Very cathartic for me to get get things off my

1156
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:27,800
chest. Thanks for anyone out there listening and thanks brandini for going on this journey with me.

1157
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:35,080
James Dini. It's been a true pleasure. And for our next venture into polarizing movie

1158
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:44,120
town kingdom, if you will, we are going into 2006 for a romance comedy.

1159
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:54,520
It is called John Tucker must die. PG 13. PG 13. So, you know, if he does die,

1160
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:58,120
it's not going to be too gruesome. Don't worry about it. I have not seen this movie. I remember

1161
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:06,040
when it came out as a as a young young young man in 2006, but I did not see it. It is a critically

1162
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:14,920
panned. Yeah, I remember it. It's like that movie is not for me weirdly. I don't think it was. Yeah,

1163
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:18,520
I was like, I don't know. I don't see a lot of movies at that time, too, but

1164
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:27,320
I'm very curious how it holds up. Critics did not like it at the time. It was a 28% for them.

1165
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:37,960
It is a 69. And for the audience, we're going to we're going to check it out next next time on

1166
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:43,080
this very fine program of polarized pod. We have some very special guests returning guests.

1167
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:50,600
It'll be a be surprised when you get there. And let's read the synopsis here for this here movie.

1168
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:54,760
After discovering they are all dating the same. Oh, it says the same same guy.

1169
01:39:54,760 --> 01:40:00,760
Oh, type. Oh, we need to edit this in one two minutes after discovering they're all dating

1170
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:05,720
the same guy three popular students from different clicks band together for revenge. So they enlist

1171
01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:10,040
the help of a new gal in town and conspired to break the jerk's heart while destroying his

1172
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:19,240
reputation. John Tucker must I sorry, Jesse Metcalf, Sophia Bush, Ashanti, Jenny McCarthy,

1173
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:26,040
Britney Snow, looking Ashanti's in this movie. That's nuts. These know Taylor Kitch is in here.

1174
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:32,840
Written by Jeff Lowell, directed by Betty Thomas.

1175
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:40,760
All right, Penn Badgley, is that the is that the you guy almost looks like him? No, it's not.

1176
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:45,480
All right, I'm going to shut up now. overstated or welcome. Thank you for

1177
01:40:45,480 --> 01:40:53,240
welcoming us into your ear holes once again. It's been a true pledge. I have been James.

1178
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:57,880
This has been brandini. If you'd like to see us live twitch.tv slash polarized pod,

1179
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:06,120
send us a line at gmail.com slash polarized the pod. You can reach us those ways you can

1180
01:41:07,480 --> 01:41:13,720
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1181
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:20,120
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1182
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:25,240
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1183
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:43,720
And we'll see you next time. Bye.