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Welcome to the podcast everybody. I am your host James. This is another episode of polarized

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podcast about polarizing movies, the movies that are divisive on rotten tomatoes, the

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movies that audiences and critics disagree on the most. Those are the movies that we

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like to talk about. John Tucker Must Die is a critically panned movie. He's sitting

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at a 28% by the critics here. He's got a 69 by the audience, I thank you. And it is

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from 2006 aggressively 2006 this movie, the cast, the music T2B is 2006. I'm looking at

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the poster right here. Let's let's take a look. It looks like it is a woman facing the

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opposite direction and you can see above her hindquarters is what we like to call in 2006,

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the tramp stamp. And this tramps. This is what it's called. I promise you. And the tramp

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stamp reads John Tucker Must Die and the poster of the movie is a tramp stamp that says John

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Tucker must die. It says don't get mad. Get even. And we are here to talk about it. I

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have never seen it. This is my first time. It's not just me. Let's get everyone else

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in here. That's right. Everyone one at a time, though, because I really want to start with

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my main man, Brandini right here. Come on. Come on. Man, talk about this guy. It's got

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a way from the. Sorry to say, sorry to say hindquarters. I know that was the most clinical

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approach to that, but I was trying to be as delicate as it could before I said, though,

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the term tramp stamp. But in, I mean, in the spirit of 2006, there is a lot of non-delicate

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things said in this movie. So it would go along with what we are about to talk about.

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Man, I had not seen this movie before either. Excellent. So watching this at this point

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in my life and watching this more is just a movie as opposed to I'm sure when it came

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out and we'll talk to our guests and get them in here soon. But like this would have been

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something that you're like, well, let's go to the movie theater with our friends because

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we are kids and have nothing else to do. It's like, let's we're already at the mall. Let's

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go see this movie and date night movie. Yeah. Yeah. Would you, you know, yeah. I mean,

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maybe walking out, maybe you might have a conversation or something, but I think it's,

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it's, it's fun for date night. Yeah. No, absolutely. And I, I will definitely get into it about

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how the perspective of this is coming from a feminine perspective that's really interesting

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in comparison to other movies of this time that were very like, you know, I don't know,

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high school comedies, you know, getting on the borderline on the ranch side of things.

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This, yeah. I mean, I don't know this doesn't star a nerdy boy or a just a male lead. This is

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a female lead movie, which is, yeah. I'm sure it's really get raunchy either. Now that you,

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I'm trying to think what's, what's some of the raunchiest stuff is. Yeah. Well, it doesn't get

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that raunchy, which you know, it's not, it's not an American pie, national lampoon type situation.

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Not another team. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's hear. I'll, I'll introduce

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speaking of feminine perspective. No, let's get you in because yeah, we have so much to talk about.

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I took an aggressive amount of notes on this movie because every line said in this movie,

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just scenes in general were consounding of like, huh, wait a minute. What?

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So yeah, I definitely want to talk about this movie in near pornographic detail. So let's get

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into it. I would like to introduce our guest returning. You might know them from our Don't

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Worry Darling, right? Is when we all did that together. Oh, Phantom of the Opera, my friend.

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Yes. Oh, sexy Phantom. Uh,

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Masker. What was it? What do we call it? Sexy Phantom, right? Anyways,

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Rock Me Sexy Phantom. Rock Me Sexy Phantom. Returning to the podcast, we have Kara and Maddie. Hey,

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Hey, Kara Maddie. What's going on? Is there any new Phantom news, Maddie? Do you know of?

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Now that we're on Phantom. Phantom watch. Phantom watch. Phantom watch. Phantom has

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left Broadway for good. So I think we have to probably like sleep on it for another like eight

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years before they try to revamp it and bring it back. So I'm excited. Do you think they'll do a

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traditional approach and just do it as it's always done once you bring it back or they'll try to

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modernize it or something? No, they're going to call Basler men and they're going to make a crazy

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movie. Yeah. Sign me up. It's going to happen. It's going to happen. Oh my gosh. Who would you cast?

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We probably talked about this in Phantom, but in a Basler men feature, trying to think maybe an

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Adam driver. We're going to have like a shot. Probably like a,

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Shanley is going to go into like retirement and he's going to like come back.

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Oh, I mean, he's pretty young. So I don't know. Eight years from now. Or maybe a John Tucker.

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He's been in retirement for a while, probably since like 2006.

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Oh, I can see Penban's coming back for this.

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I'm going to do it. I'm going to. Yeah, Pen, Penban. That's the guy from you.

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He's such a phantom. He's got such phantom energy. Are you kidding me? Yes. That's a great call.

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I love that. Yeah. With the like creepy voiceovers.

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And he's just watching. I mean, he's voyeuristically watching everyone from afar. Come on. It's perfect.

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It's actually for Perp. It's genius. Genius. Genius. Genius. I mean, you get a Pattinson.

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And of course, hello, Hollywood. Oh, Brandon's got Hollywood on the line. Mr. Hollywood. Hey.

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Oh, hey, Brandon. How you doing? I hear you got that new, that new movie I've been looking for.

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You're telling me that Hollywood has no ideas. Well, let's take this old one that we haven't

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done in, I don't know, five years or so. People's attention spans are so short these days. They

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won't even know. Well, we're here. When Phantom comes back, I'm sure it will. We'll be on the case.

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Absolutely. And in Cara, I want to hear because I know that you've seen this movie before,

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but it's been a minute. What's what's both of your, your history with this movie and

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what do you remember? What did you feel going into it this time and coming out? I guess we'll get to that.

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Yeah, I watched it when I was probably in high school or something like that. I whatever.

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You would be 16, like 16 or 15, right? I just did at Cara. We would have been 14.

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Okay. Yeah. So what now? Was that junior high high school at Isolano? High school, freshman.

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High school. Okay. Yeah. Eighth ninth grade. 14 to 15. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember enjoying it a lot

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at the time. And I like love the soundtrack. I would listen to the soundtrack all the time. And

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yeah, it was just a fun one. I think because as we were saying before, it was like from a feminine

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perspective of like, we got to get this like guy who's like, throwing us over, you know? So it's

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kind of fun. Yeah. And then rewatching it again. I mean, obviously, there's a lot of like problematic

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things, but overall, I had a good time. It was fun. I thought it was going to be more cringy.

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Like same. I was, I was going into being like expecting to feel embarrassed and just like

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wanting to turn it off. But it was, it was kind of a fun ride. I don't know if I'd watch it again,

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but it was fun. Yeah. I agree. I thought it was going to go more overboard with some of the outdated

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aspects. And there's definitely that there, but there's so many of them. There's plenty.

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There's plenty, but it doesn't hold back from the enjoyment of the movie as much as Karah is

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saying. And like, it's not like, it doesn't obviously like hold up like it came out yesterday

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or something, but overall it's, it's just a bonkers ass movie. Yeah. That regardless of time period.

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Like it's not a good movie. No. But I didn't hate it. And I was enjoying it. Like, I guess also

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James and I were watching it together. So it was fun to like laugh at it together. And maybe that's

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why it was a little more fun in that sense. Yeah. Just like good. Like, uh, like, I don't know,

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it's so 2006. It's so 2006. And knowing that I was like early teenager when I watched this,

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and I thought that this was like such a good movie, you know, like, we're so young and it is so,

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it's a young fun movie. Yeah. Is weird watching something through the lens of like yourself

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as a 14 year old again for the first time. Um, very, very long time. So there's a lot of things

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I'm just like, Oh, that's not great. Especially when they, when they were like, yeah. And they

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were like, I watched this as a 14 year old, like this is not okay. It was on board and just like,

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yeah, this makes sense. Yeah. This is totally what high schoolers are doing and acting like.

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Comforting to know that there's no way I watched this movie and was like, Oh, this is inspirational.

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You know, like it was still fun when I was young. So it's problematic as it is.

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You know, it was just fun. It's fun. It's a fun movie.

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Yeah. It's a revenge movie. I get it gets the idea across in a, in a, in a bonkers way. But I

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think the things that date it as well are like the references to other movies that are within

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this movie. Like nothing dates something more than it referencing something outside of the

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movie itself is just dating it for sure. And that goes to all the, I saw a lot of bring it on stuff

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and they actually say like, bring it on to Heather's and I know, I know Kara, you were,

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we were trying to make a list of some of the other ones that 10 things I had hate about you.

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Yeah. I mean, the Badgley was Heath Ledger vibes for sure. And then he was, he was singing,

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I want you to want me, which is like a song that's in 10 things I hate about you. So

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they definitely were referencing that for sure. And then breakfast club, I mean, they're all in

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detention and everything. And yeah, to, I would argue in a way that's not that successful because

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it's new horns in that reference because the fact that these high schoolers are into cheap

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trick and the way that they are was so like, huh, like cheap trick is the song you're bonding over

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right now. Like, what are we talking about here? That's like your parents' music. And it's Elvis

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Costello. Elvis Costello. Like, and oh my God, let's just say the, the, I have, there's so many

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lines that I wrote down, but in regards to Elvis Costello, the ugly brother, which let's be real.

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And I'm joking about you in Texas, like, he's a good looking guy. Like, what do you do? Like,

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the way that they present him is like, he's just this like meek, not good looking guy. And you're

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like, no, he's pretty confident. Like he has like fun banter, like that whole lab partner stuff was

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great that he makes jokes about it. And then he's got his own thing going on. And again, he's not a

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bad looking guy. So again, that's one of these tropes in these movies that I'm like, immediately

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when he's presented, I'm like, Oh, this is the like ducky character, right? This is the, um,

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but they even give that treatment to Britney Snow almost of making her seem like the odd,

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odd girl that are like, you know, ugly duckling or something. And then she, they got a straight in

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her hair. And then all of a sudden she goes, she's so high now that she's got to be, it's all about

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status. It seems like in this high school, more than anything. I mean, the movie out the gate is

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like, she's the invisible loser, ugly loser with a hot mom. And that's why anyone likes it.

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Can we unpack that? That's like the first scene. Just like, oh, okay. She's ugly. I got it. Understood.

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Like God, a whole narration too. I just got to say that off the gate too. Anytime there's

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narration in this movie, it provides fucking nothing. Nothing. Like anytime she's saying

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something, it's all stuff you're already seeing on the fucking TV. So it's like,

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yeah, it might as well just like be visual aids or like audio descript, you know, for a blind person.

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Basically what's happening like this is what we're seeing on the screen right now. It's like,

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oh, I got it. No, I see. Right. But it's just, it's again, it's feed. It's presenting a trope

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like it's the movies very smart and funny and witty that way. And so many of these coming of age

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movies do start with some type of narration where it's you're getting the like where the

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where the main character is at emotionally and how we got a cat.

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But you're right. Like it's again, it's another trope presented that it's on successful at because

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it more often than not provides nothing. And then also the way she says it is kind of like

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like weirdly like slow or like lethargic and it's sleepy a little bit. But okay, I really need us to

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spend some time on Jenna McCarthy and the mother daughter relationship in this because off the rip

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blew my mind that we are to understand that anytime Jenny McCarthy has a relationship and

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breaks up with her boyfriend, they move towns. Crazy. That's an insane move that

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she has seemingly been to like 14 different schools or whatever, because her mom has to

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leave the town every time she ends a relationship. And so so off. Yeah, again, I'm in the headspace

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of like, oh, so the mom's a monster. Like the mom is like a such an egotistical selfish monster

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where she is uprooting her child. Like, I don't know, it's maybe every three months.

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And she's got to deal with that. And that's like her blight in life is just being this

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little like a, yeah, luggage that the mom has as she goes through all these like

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twists and romantic relationships and whatnot. And it's just all me. All of that like at the end

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when when she is almost confronted, which any McCarthy says to her is who I'm dating

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is none of your business to her daughter to her daughter. Yeah, who's in high school and says

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like, who won't that is none of your business. And this is your daughter who's a minor in high

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school. And you think that who you bring into your household? I don't know. Is none of her business

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skips. Yeah. That's a lot to like just shove in your daughter's face. Like, you know what,

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I'm going to bring whoever the hell I want home and you got to deal with it. And we're going to

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move if, you know, I'm not with them anymore. I miss that detail that they move at every town.

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So that's why they moved into this town is because she got done with the magicians.

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And then now she's gonna date like a pilot or whatever, which makes sense.

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And that's why she's kind of like keeps herself, you know, right. But to add to that, like,

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it's funny that you mentioned that because I actually kind of like lived like that too,

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except that my mom didn't date around. But I've been to like 12 different schools. So like,

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I totally understand that feeling of like, I didn't think my mom was like evil, but like,

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I've definitely moved around. So it is a real thing. Like, I think it is definitely like, like,

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like, like relatable or like, like a real life thing. And I, my, or my mom didn't move around

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because of like who she dated, but just like, just because she got bored of like living in this

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apartment and was ready to go to a different apartment. And so yeah, I totally understand

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that feeling. Yeah, I mean, that's amazing that you connected the movie on that level. And I,

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and it's not like I don't, I've seen this and I know people where they are a lot of,

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usually it's like military families, for example. Yeah, yeah, they move around a lot. But that's like,

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you're moving for a job. Yeah. So leaving and uprooting them every time a relationship ends.

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I'm like, obviously the movie never tells us what the mom does for work. Yeah. Because what could

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she do where she's able to just be like, you know what, later and then go live in the house that

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they live in. Yeah, that's a family. I'm like, how are you finding this house that you live in?

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Like if you're always moving, like how do you find these houses? That's the thing is like,

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well, you know, back in, yeah, not too long ago, people could do that. They could afford houses.

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That is true. I'm like, what is this? What is this dealio? Such a nice house, such a nice street,

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like, area, you know, the school seemed nice and all of that. But I just, it just needed to like

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disenfranchise her somehow though. And I thought that was almost like a cheap way to do it. And

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also it's not a great not a great follow through. Sorry to interrupt, but like, yeah, it's like,

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it's not it needed to victimize her somehow. So we felt bad for her. So she had some something to

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climb out of. But the problem with that is like, it never really resolved that with her mom in a

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strong enough way. It barely did at the end. And it's all that she really did was like, you know

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what, I'm not going to see the pilot tonight. It was essentially all I remember was like, you know,

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he's not going to come over. And they put her in braids.

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New her new lease on live new hair. Pretty much the new every act of the movies, the new

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signifier of a new act of the movie is the different hair. Yeah, braids and shoes folding laundry.

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Man, I know I tend to do this with movies when something so ridiculous is presented.

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Because in my mind, this is like a really ridiculous scenario. And I could just imagine

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Britney Snow being like almost like PTSD, where she's like the health of their her mom's relationship

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is like a factor in whether or not she gets to stay around, you know, in this place. And like,

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I could imagine Britney Snow being like so like either constantly intervening in her mom's relationship.

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So it never gets going or being like, I don't know,

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trying to keep the guy around as well. And that's a different movie. And I don't want to go down

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too much of that rabbit hole because again, this movie could not give a shit less about that. All

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it's doing is saying like, she's a new girl in a new town. And she's self conscious because she

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doesn't really have friends and you know, so on and so forth. But I mean, I guess they did say

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that like her mom dating around also was like, I don't know what it's like to date like what a

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healthy relationship is. I think that was the example they were trying to write. I mean,

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they didn't deep dive into that. But like that was the background of it all. Right.

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Yeah, not and aggressively not at all. Like, we'll get to the ending of this movie. The last

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15 minutes of this movie fucking blew my mind because there it was so wild. What happened

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where like where resolutions happen and how much gets wrapped up. And then also just like a lot of

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this like, you know, kind of sitcom me, you know, and everybody, you know, the

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lesson is at the dance of like everyone trying to figure out like how to give the moral of the

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story to the auditorium of like, well, I guess I learned this and people just throwing vegetables.

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Why do you have vegetables at a party? They're throwing cake. They had a food.

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Right. Oh my god. That part. Yeah. This is Christ. Very truly water. And guys, let's

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let's make sure not to undersell essentially the birthday bash of the century that it was

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described as being I have it right here. They described the party as being what is it? It is

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a combination of John's birthday is like homecoming combined with prom combined with the MTV Music

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Awards. I mean, was that not what it looks like, Brandon? You mean a empty hanger where

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there's there's so much about this movie that drives me fucking nuts because like we've all seen

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high school movies where the party scene, especially growing up, right? Like I don't I'm sure

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everybody can sympathize along with me of like, especially like at this age where you're just

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starting high school or about to get into it. Like movies that had high school parties.

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You were like, oh, cool. Wow. This is this is what it's going to be like and whatnot.

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And a fair amount of movies are successful at taking you through the party and being like,

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oh, here's this group of people. And then there's this group. And then there's a cool song playing.

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And then you just get this vibe of like, oh, yeah, high school parties are so cool. This party on the

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other hand looked lame as shit. Which is so funny because just a few minutes prior, all the boys in

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the locker room were talking about where they're going to go clubbing to pick up chicks. These boys

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know they're going to go out on front street or whatever they called it, wherever that is.

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And I was like, and I'm not sure about that party.

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And just there were no ride. There were which again, which is so out of place.

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Oh, absolutely. Especially to because he is sensibly in love with her to the point of like,

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when the video gets presented to watch it, he calls her up to be like, stand next to me so that we

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can enjoy this together. So that's where he is. In the case, you know, the strippers in the case.

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He's like, yes, strippers. But you know what, the way that the ending the ending presents it is like,

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well, it kind of makes sense because I mean, spoiler alert, he doesn't really learn shit.

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No, he doesn't. First telling the truth, like he just like, stop it. That was so cringe.

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It's like in voiceover. And he's like, and he learned a lesson too. And then it just shows him

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and he's like, I'm dating both of you. And then just walks down the high school hall and you're

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like, he gets he gets to have his cake, eat it too, and also have the strippers that come out of it.

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Exactly. Right. And then he's he wins 2006.

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2006 guys can get away with whatever.

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The movie is called John Tucker must die. And first of all, they never even suggest a way to

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kill him. No, that's not even floated. And also he's thriving at the end. So I like

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thing through the whole. I like the idea of and this and there was a lot of this that reminded

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me of mean girls, even though mean girls was after and they do a much better job of hiding their

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influences. But oh, shit, what was I about to say? I lost my point. Never mind. Forget it.

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I'm sorry. Was it some he really? But the fact that the climax of the storyline is a food fight

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is like. Oh yeah, I'm sorry. I was thinking of the compare. I was comparing Regina George to

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John Tucker, because I like that portion of them trying to sabotage Regina the whole like that

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at that at that time and her popularity and clout having so much weight to it that anything that she

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anyone else would do that would be embarrassing and anyone else would make fun of.

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People just look that as like a new trend and a new thing to latch on to. And a part of that is

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that is pretty funny. But then like there's also a part of you that wants the satisfaction of seeing

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this guy meet the revenge that the that they're trying to place on him. And it never really

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fully gets there. And I think that is kind of a problem because. He's not a nice enough cool guy

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to like be happy with how like he he ends up like he gets put at the end. I feel like he's done

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enough bad shit to our main characters that you know he should pay the price a little bit. But

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I like the idea that he maybe gets a little bit more understanding but barely.

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It's a cop out. No, it's a straight cop out. And yeah, I will say the things that they did to him.

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I think we're pretty messed up. Like their plan and their strategies for like making him miserable.

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Like they're pretty humiliating things. And the fact that he's still like doesn't care. I'm like,

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I don't know. He's pretty hard headed. He's pretty confident. He has good. Very confident.

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Flip the script on hepatitis. It was pretty amazing. Yeah. Oh yeah. General Herbie.

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I could not believe that that was their first plan of attack. One trick him into doing a naked

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photo shoot in the woods exposed. Take out an ad. Take out an ad at the local movie theater.

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And then use those photos as like to make him the face of General Herbie's. That is devastating.

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These girls do worse than what John Tucker did. Yeah. All he did was like not want to be their

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boyfriend. Yeah. So I think that's why like the ending kind of like resolved softly because like

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what Britney Snow did was pretty much what she like she was lying to him the whole time too.

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So like I mean like. Sort of kind of though. Right. Like she was falling in love with him.

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She also really didn't change and become that different, which cracked me up because there

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were so many times. She was just trying to sabotage his life. Like she was trying to destroy him.

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Not. She wasn't the other girls were. She is like a surrogate and a proxy for their ire and

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their frustration with John. And like it. OK. So it cracked me up so much because I like literally

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the movie doesn't give you it and I didn't see it at all of her transforming into this new popular

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person. And then there's the scene. Yeah. Then there's the scene on the beach. And then he's like

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I'm with the prettiest girl in school. And I'm like when did it like most popular girl.

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When did this happen? Like what are you being a cheerleader. That was the only thing that

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changed. Like they just put her on the cheerleader team. That's the only thing that changed and

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then that made him notice her. That's right. And that's right in here.

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That's what's so funny about that beach scene is all those people are coming up to her and being

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like hey I know you from student council. Hey I know you from gym class. Hey I know you from.

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And he's like wow you must be so popular. And she's like no I just lived here for a few weeks and

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you never noticed me. I've been your waiter so many times. So many times. I've helped you in

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so many your dates. You made an outrage about the meat here. And I just bring that up to you.

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I have to mention one of my one of the things that was really funny to me was the other waitress

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that she worked with that. Butterfingers. Yeah. That was like well how would you like how would

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you know like as she starts describing all the you know all the other girls he's dated and

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everything. And she's like well how would you know all of that. And she just starts like making

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this sad crying face and just walks off and it's like very very funny visual humor from physical

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humor. By the way can I just say I love when like silly movies like this or any movies just make a

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random secondary character to tell you exactly what's been going on. Just had like two lines

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and she just lists the entire plot. And then you're like I'm like oh thank you like cool I'm on

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board I'm all caught up. It makes me think of in like not another teen movie where they essentially

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like have a character who mentions like that's their purpose as they're like yeah you know I'm

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like exposition person. I just stand in the background and then tell you what's going on in

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the plot and whatever and it's it is really funny but I think it's everyone on the same page.

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Well it was even funnier to me in the in the scene where we see John Tucker dating women

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and like a bunch of different women and whatnot is that one girl who speaks French writes a

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children's book and then like a couple other things and I was like wow what a you know what a

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tryhard like in high school she's like and I love to the button wasn't I texted you guys about this

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is like and the button was like so she's like beautiful smart does all these things and she's

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writing a children's book and I was like oh what? So random. That seemed like she just had some extra

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time that she was able to do that. Where is she find the time? Yeah she must yeah she is just such a

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hard worker. It's interesting when this movie just quickens the pace of like okay you get it like

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it over explains certain other things that don't need it then all then all of a sudden when it

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could spend a little bit more time getting on to the page where like they figure out about each

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other sort of thing like the crossover from that to like them finding out that they're all

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dating John Tucker happens and they're playing volleyball and like PE class and then the minute

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they find out they all immediately start fucking sprawling like no no discussion at all just

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immediately just start throwing volleyball and fucking brawling and going to town which uh

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just it was like the nature of an hour and a half movie to me there were certain things

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that are like things are underwritten and maybe you could have a little bit more developed but

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it was just like we just got to get to it because this is an hour and a half fun teen comedy and

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they're just going to start uh you know yelling and fighting and and everything which just makes

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it funny when Brittany so it's like guys we gotta stop fighting each other we gotta fight him

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all right all within the scene they're like we know each other are dating the same guy we hate

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each other we're gonna fight and now we're gonna resolve all within one scene is like and now we're

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on the team was like all done so fucking quick and then they're just like immediately in this

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war room with all these screens set up it was so cool the visuals that they had I mean and at

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one point she just writes on it it's like uh what is she saying uh what is she like

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but they're trying to make oh they write out undatable which by the way is spelled wrong

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it's undatable it says undatable because it was a new word then it was not a real but now it's

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like more common that you spell it undate dh e oboe but it's no e undatable there's no data

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there's a couple moments where there's the whole spelling thing and that's coming from the vegans

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an idiot which i know vegans are slots vegans are slots the panheasers and they're dumb it was so

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weird of like her head is vegan slut yeah is the her attributes well they can't have two smart girls

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in the movie so and you can't be smart and slutty no they they lean into the stereotypes so fast

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and hard the stereotypes are like in the first couple minutes all laid out which that's where

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it's so interesting to me how there are some progressive and like it comes from a feminine

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place like genuinely like i want to get to how the estrogen the wearing the man thong and like

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him being on more of display than her yeah that's more about the female gaze a little bit

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it's very much more about the female gaze and all and also too that it's well i would argue so it's

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it's very pro woman where it's you know it's all women that are orchestrating the plot are driving

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what their wants and desires are but then i weirdly feel like this movie doesn't pass the beckbeil test

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i was just thinking that too because the whole movie is about them trying to get a guy in some way

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yeah like every scene is about them talking about the closest is like is like the end when

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britney snow is essentially like you guys either we try to get him or we try to date him every

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either way it's about john is what she says that was like the closest where it's like trying to get

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away from it like yeah and also the fact that kill him or not yeah they all like actually become

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friends at the end i guess that is a little helpful but yeah it is so weird to me that there is zero

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time spent on the girls and like more about them or them helping each other really like kind of get

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over this none of that ever exists in this movie it really blew me away because i was kind of hoping

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that the end of this movie would be a little bit more like emotional and more of like we don't need

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him this we got this going on you know we got each other now so on and so forth but that never

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happened either that or they a complete other way where they go like even more towards heathers and

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they fucking kill him and they got a bunch of that he wanted and they got to deal with that i

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got one of the two i thought it was gonna be a horror movie i mean the thing is it was 2006 like so on par this is so on par with like the

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stereotypes of women at the time which is just so crazy to rewatch because the themes are the movie are

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women are sluts if they have sex but then you're approved if you don't but then like men only want

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you if you're a little bit of a slut but you can't be a slut enough that it threatens other women

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because that's not okay and i think all in general it's more like the women are useless if they're

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not wanted by a man that's like in every single situation is like this over over like the generalized

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theme of the movie which is like so crazy and i mean car i'm sure you could speak to this of like

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that was the standard that was yeah yeah that was just like standard like that's just like what we

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are going to do is we're gonna be like we're gonna do what we're gonna do like we're gonna do what we're

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gonna do and we're gonna do what we're gonna do and that's just like your your your bread to like

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believe like i fully watched this movie when i was 14 and i was like duh yeah like all this makes

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treat her or how they teach her how to treat him in order for him to be more

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interested as well.

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Yes.

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Was a whole trip of like playing game like the whole.

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Manipulate it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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With holding.

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Not talking.

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Yeah.

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And I have to say that like younger Kara used to do that because that's what I

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believed was like a way to like get guys was like be passive aggressive, be

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passive with holding be all these things and that and then guys will be more

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interested.

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But that's what and if Andy means mean to you, it means he likes you.

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I thought about that a lot with like the ugly brother.

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That's what I'm calling him that like their first interaction.

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There were air quotes by it by the way, everybody.

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He's not nice to her.

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He's like kind of a dick to her in their first like meet cute.

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Like he's if you rewatching, so actually not very nice to her and she's like, oh,

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my God.

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He is.

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He is.

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He is.

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With me.

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He was actually such a dick to you.

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Like he's like condescending and like very like just unfriendly.

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Yeah.

380
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,440
And she's just like.

381
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,440
Oracles in her eyes.

382
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,440
Yeah.

383
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:12,440
Also admit to being an arsonist that he made his science partner.

384
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Yeah.

385
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,440
So many red flags.

386
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:21,440
And also to like it really was funny to me that he's supposed to be the

387
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,440
smarter one arguably, right?

388
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,440
Like it's kind of built into that.

389
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:32,440
But he's not smart, especially in a early scene of them being lab

390
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,440
partners.

391
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,440
He doesn't know how to pour water into a beaker.

392
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,440
He's like, that's like.

393
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,440
It needs to go.

394
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,440
And then he spills it.

395
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,440
And he's like, oh, I'm on fire.

396
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,440
No, it's sodium chloride.

397
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,440
It's salt water.

398
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,440
And he's like, oh, oh.

399
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,440
He's an artsy guy.

400
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,440
He's an artsy guy.

401
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,440
He doesn't know science.

402
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,440
So funny that she's like perceived as being so nerdy and smart for

403
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,440
knowing those things.

404
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,440
Like just when you said pouring water into a thing.

405
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,440
She is such a nerd.

406
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,440
What a freak.

407
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,440
And then there's also like.

408
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,440
I was like, this movie needed like her to also have her own thing

409
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,440
going on.

410
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,440
Where is the.

411
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,440
Definitely.

412
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,440
You know, like in mean girls, like the math club, you know, that

413
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,440
it's a part of that movie where that's a place where she's genuinely

414
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,440
smart and it's unfortunate that society is forcing her to be done.

415
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,440
And that's what's so deep and interesting about this, especially

416
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,440
in relation to what Carl is talking about.

417
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,440
It's like, that's the thing is like it's.

418
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,440
That movie does well to promote like, no, you know what?

419
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,440
Like sure, it's nerdy, but who cares?

420
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,440
Like go do the thing that you're good at and fuck everybody else for

421
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,440
telling you otherwise.

422
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,440
You're definitely right.

423
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,440
Yes, literally nothing.

424
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,440
No, you're so.

425
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,440
Nothing.

426
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,440
All they had to do was lean a little bit more into the

427
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,440
science angle, dude.

428
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,440
Like that's all they had to do make make the brother a little bit

429
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:03,440
smarter and more scientifically acute and then have her that be

430
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,440
their bonding thing and have both of them feel a little nerdy together.

431
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,440
I don't know.

432
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,440
Like it was not that hard to to give them a little more.

433
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:11,440
That's such a good point though.

434
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,440
Yeah.

435
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,440
Like the fact that she really has nothing.

436
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,440
So she has to be a cheerleader.

437
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,440
Then there's no there's no sort of conflict for her at all.

438
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,440
And that's what felt so strange is like you just watch her going along

439
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,440
with it.

440
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,440
And then when her mother confronts her, it's like, she's just like,

441
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,440
well, I've got nothing else.

442
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,440
What else am I doing?

443
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,440
And that's like getting the tax.

444
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,440
She literally says that she's like, I got nothing else to do.

445
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,440
That's not a good thing for me.

446
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,440
My job was on the floor.

447
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,440
That's not a good reason for that.

448
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,440
Turn to the darkness.

449
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,440
But I do.

450
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,440
I like how obsessed they are kind of like, I shouldn't say like,

451
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:56,440
they are so over the top obsessed with getting back at John Tucker

452
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,440
when she's trying to date him and or like trying to feel that out

453
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,440
and all that stuff.

454
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,440
And like, I forget what the blondes character's name is,

455
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,440
but she goes to the point where she's just so in her control room

456
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,440
trying to figure it out.

457
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,440
And that makes it so there's nothing else going on for any of those

458
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,440
characters or anything else for them to do, which is to track from the

459
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,440
movie.

460
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,440
But then also it makes it extremely funny when they start going to

461
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,440
insane lengths to get him.

462
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,440
And the one the main one I'm thinking of the best example where I

463
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,440
Kara watched me probably just go into a fit of laughter because I

464
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,440
thought it was just so insanely ridiculous because it starts with

465
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,440
her and John going on a date on a fucking boat.

466
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,440
Okay, let's go back on this.

467
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,440
Let's go step by step.

468
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,440
Step by step.

469
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,440
They go on a fucking boat already.

470
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,440
I'm just like, how and why.

471
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,440
And they're just them on the boat.

472
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,440
I'm already just like asking so many questions and then it jumps into

473
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,440
like cuts to them like they're on a boat.

474
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,440
Oh, we can't see him because it's too far or whatever on a little

475
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,440
video device.

476
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,440
I love that she's got the little video device and everything.

477
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:08,440
Yeah, from Charper image and cut to jump cut to them on another fucking

478
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:15,440
little tiny fucking tiny boat just chasing them going after them.

479
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,440
And I just like I lost my mind.

480
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,440
It was just so funny to me that they were going to like that lengths to

481
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,440
try to chase after her just to monitor everything that was going on.

482
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,440
Got to the point where it was campy and funny.

483
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,440
I was already reeling getting even to that point because first off

484
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,440
they go on their legitimate date is how they described it or how

485
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,440
Brittany describes it.

486
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,440
And then the start of it is they go to the restaurant she worked at,

487
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,440
but he says that they're doing takeout weird moves.

488
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,440
Like they get really nicely dressed up and then go to the restaurant

489
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,440
and then he's like, actually we're getting takeout.

490
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,440
No, just kidding.

491
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,440
We're going to run out the door.

492
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,440
And then I mean, pretty nice surprise.

493
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,440
I would assume is you're like, oh my God, look at this very decked out

494
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,440
and very like there's like candleabra on the.

495
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,440
There's sales.

496
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,440
She doesn't even have a coat.

497
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,440
Like I'd be so annoyed if like you didn't give me the heads up that I'm

498
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,440
like I said not bring warm clothes like.

499
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,440
I'm not.

500
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,440
Absolutely.

501
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,440
Right. No.

502
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,440
I don't know how much that cost him because they mentioned at the very

503
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,440
beginning that like his family is loaded, but are they like high

504
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,440
school or taking a girl on a private charter boat dinner?

505
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,440
Loaded.

506
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,440
He goes out to dinner every week.

507
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,440
New different.

508
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,440
It has to be Maddie because the name of the fucking boat is called

509
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,440
fast break, which is a basketball term.

510
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,440
So I was just like my mind was.

511
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,440
Because they're so rich that John alone,

512
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,440
not the family boat necessarily,

513
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,440
just a boat for the basketball player of the family has a boat named

514
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,440
after a basketball term.

515
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,440
Right.

516
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,440
We never, we never see their parents.

517
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,440
We never really get a high school basketball money.

518
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,440
Yeah.

519
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,440
The only other sign of wealth is when he sensed her.

520
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:15,440
10 bouquets of long stem white roses.

521
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,440
I'd also be so annoyed.

522
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,440
Like if you sent that to me now to deal with all this $500,

523
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,440
like it's not romantic.

524
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,440
It's stressful and annoying and embarrassing.

525
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,440
So then you would sympathize with the teacher because man,

526
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,440
he was a ball buster about it.

527
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,440
The second it started happening,

528
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,440
that one teacher cropped up multiple times and he just was like,

529
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,440
such a fucking ball buster.

530
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,440
Like barely anything's happening.

531
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,440
And he's like, like yelling at them.

532
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,440
And sometimes it's like really aggressive where he's just, I don't know.

533
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,440
Yeah.

534
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,440
The adults in this movie were really weird to me because none of,

535
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,440
there was no outside of Jenna McCarthy.

536
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:01,440
There's no other sympathetic or kind of adult that's helping them.

537
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,440
And like being kind of a mentor, if you will, like that's what this

538
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,440
movie needs as well.

539
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,440
Like they need a Tina Fey in this movie where all the girls kind of,

540
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,440
you know,

541
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,440
they don't want to be seen with that teacher, but that teacher's like kind

542
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,440
of cool.

543
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,440
So there's a little bit of that going on,

544
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,440
but there's all of the teachers and coaches are at like very minimal.

545
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,440
And when they are in there,

546
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,440
they're just yelling at these children.

547
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:34,440
And like some of it's crazy where he gets a coach is very mean to him.

548
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,440
A pansy ass.

549
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,440
Yeah.

550
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,440
Okay.

551
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,440
The whole movie is like pretty homophobic.

552
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,440
Like there's a lot of homophobic elements in this movie.

553
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,440
There are a ton of dated shit where like the STD thing was off the

554
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,440
rep for me was a very dated thing because the way that people treat

555
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:03,440
John having an STD is like making fun of him.

556
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:08,440
I don't think in this day and age, I think we're actually for good,

557
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,440
have gotten past this like STDs aren't just like a punchline really.

558
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,440
It's like, Hey, are you like, are you okay?

559
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,440
Like, you know,

560
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,440
the whole way that that came about, like when they like tricked him

561
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,440
into taking nude photos and a thing and then put it on the movie

562
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,440
screen, I was like, that's like pretty revenge for me.

563
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Like, that's like really not okay nowadays.

564
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,440
And then yeah, the most.

565
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,440
And all that.

566
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,440
Actually terrible.

567
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,440
And then the estrogen thing, they're like, they're drugging him.

568
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,440
Yeah.

569
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,440
And the effects of that are like, silly.

570
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,440
Let's talk about the effects of the way that they said, I was like,

571
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,440
this is so just like.

572
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,440
Massageness and misunderstood of taking estrogen a couple of times.

573
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,440
You immediately becomes passive aggressive is the first time.

574
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,440
You're immediately like in the height of PMS saying and the way

575
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,440
that that is portrayed is just like, he's a monster for chocolate.

576
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,440
He has to have it.

577
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,440
Everyone is bad at him.

578
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,440
Like his chest hurts.

579
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,440
Like he's crying.

580
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,440
He was a full breakdown.

581
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,440
And then he's like, I mean, some of that stuff is like pretty,

582
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,440
like kind of relatable, but no, it is.

583
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,440
But it's funny to say like, that is just such a huge laughing point

584
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,440
of the video.

585
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,440
Yeah.

586
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,440
He would take a little bit of estrogen.

587
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,440
That's what's going to be terrible things.

588
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,440
Yeah.

589
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,440
Yeah.

590
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,440
The problem with that is because I, it is funny.

591
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,440
Like when it's happening, it's funny.

592
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,440
I was laughing about it.

593
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,440
I couldn't fully get into it because again, I hate to keep bringing

594
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,440
up mean girls, but it's like when the mean girls does well to show

595
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:57,440
a passage of time when Regina starts eating those, the bars that

596
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,440
make her gain weight.

597
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,440
So, so it makes sense why she would.

598
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,440
In the time of the movie, it happens very quickly, but the movie does

599
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,440
well to show passage of time.

600
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,440
So you know that this didn't just happen overnight.

601
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,440
The way that this movie on being that competent, it made it seem like

602
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,440
he, he, it happened instantly.

603
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:21,440
He took a little bit of, he took some estrogen and then bang, he is.

604
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,440
Having a period.

605
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,440
Yeah.

606
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,440
He's having a period.

607
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,440
Like within minutes, it made it seem like they, I had to go, I went

608
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,440
back and watch it and it was like, it makes it seem like it's maybe

609
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,440
the next day, but it was like, it's like instantaneous.

610
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,440
Yeah.

611
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:34,440
Yeah.

612
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,440
In the height of female trouble.

613
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,440
But then what happens next with the thong kind of makes you

614
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,440
retroactively think back on that and just, I don't know, some of the

615
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,440
stupidest stuff in the movie makes me like have a better opinion

616
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,440
about the movie because all the shit with the thong and then all the

617
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,440
other guys wearing it and everything to had a certain humor to it.

618
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,440
And then they all line up to do the fucking basketball drills and

619
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,440
the thong was just like, that was, that was funny.

620
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,440
And they do a fucking front flip and dunk and everything like that.

621
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,440
That shit is so preposterous and far fetch that that's where the

622
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,440
movie starts to get me on its side a little bit more.

623
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:20,440
If it's been as more preposterous throughout or more heartfelt,

624
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,440
it unfortunately kind of rides the line, but there's, there's some

625
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,440
funny silly stuff to, you know,

626
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,440
So the pitch John gives to the guys to, you know, it's cool.

627
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,440
One of those flipping it on its head is he says that it's like

628
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,440
letting your best friend sleep in a silk hammock.

629
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,440
Uh huh.

630
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:46,440
I mean, the way he turns around all these situations, like I can't

631
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,440
help but be like respect.

632
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,440
Yeah, like I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Like I just, I liked him the whole movie.

633
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,440
I was like, sure.

634
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,440
If he's able to make it acceptable for everyone.

635
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,440
That's the part.

636
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,440
He's like ever actually insecure. He's so confident that he's

637
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,440
horrible situations that he's not even to go. I was like, I kind of like this guy.

638
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,440
Yeah. Like I think the hatred isn't been able to bring him down.

639
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,440
Yeah. The positivity conquers.

640
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,440
Like even when the other guy like, why are you acting like a girl?

641
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,440
Or like, why are you wearing girls underwear?

642
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,440
It's like he switches it around and is like, oh, this is actually not that bad.

643
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,440
And I don't know. Like that's where what you were saying, James,

644
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,440
like where the movie gets me is like, they're not like, they start making fun

645
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:34,440
of him for being too feminine or something. But then he like uses that as like

646
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:39,440
an empowerment thing. And that's when I'm like, okay, the movie's not that bad in that sense.

647
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,440
Like, and it is directed by a female director. So like, I don't know.

648
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:49,440
And then it starts to lose me again is where it, you know,

649
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,440
he becomes completely hypocritical.

650
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:57,440
And in the other instance where they try to goof on him is they get a little peak inside

651
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,440
the boys locker room and see how boys act when there's no one else around.

652
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,440
And you get to see in his words, not just Donald Trump's,

653
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:12,440
but in his words, a little bit of locker room talk in which they all just make a bunch of fart noises

654
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:20,440
and whip each other with towels and refer to women as an old wine that they're about to uncork.

655
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,440
And then you get that you get that all on tape.

656
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,440
You get that all on video and then he gets confronted with it.

657
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,440
And his excuse is that's just locker room talk.

658
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:37,440
Like that's just between me and the fellas. And that's a certain status quo that I got to live up to that.

659
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:43,440
I'm just peacocking for my fellow dudes, but I don't actually mean any of that.

660
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:50,440
And she's completely taken with that excuse and understands completely, which that that that part does not work.

661
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:57,440
That's where that's where it's like they're trying to make him this heartfelt person when and making him win that scenario.

662
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,440
I don't think works works as well.

663
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,440
But like, it's also it's it's not like she was great either.

664
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:14,440
Because in that same scene, she's exposed for having like, right, like ganged up with all of his other ex-girlfriends to trick him into falling up with her.

665
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,440
So he could break her heart.

666
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:21,440
I was like, that's what I mean, like, no one is good here. No one is good here.

667
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,440
And then the solution is that those guys in the front row are like, no, he's a star.

668
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,440
He like bang the harder girls in school and the girls are like, that's right.

669
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,440
And they throw cake at each other. Everyone is friends again.

670
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,440
Like that. Everyone is that ending is insane.

671
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:49,440
Oh, my God. OK. Speaking of the friend. So the friend that he like his best friend that he has in the movie, the big guy adds almost nothing to the movie.

672
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:55,440
And what was so confounding to me is that you have Scott here.

673
00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,440
So why isn't he do they ever have a really like one scene together?

674
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:11,440
If you like, we've been told that he's his brother could have fooled me. Like they're never in a scene together. It never really seems like they go anywhere together.

675
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:19,440
And it just was so he asked about Bethany or sorry, Brittany Snow. That's like there's a there one scene. That's it. Yeah.

676
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:35,440
And I just don't understand why you wouldn't have Scott be the hang along to John, you know, maybe because typically in these movies, it would be Scott is envious of the notoriety that John gets.

677
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:44,440
So that's part of his character arc is he is learning to accept himself that he it's like it's not about being popular.

678
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:53,440
It's about like being who you are, you know, fundamentally. And that's a thing that that character would learn. But Scott never learns that at all. I mean, I guess he does.

679
00:53:53,440 --> 00:54:02,440
But in two minutes at the very end of this movie, he goes, you know what, actually, let's you know, let's date. And a lot happens in the last two minutes.

680
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:17,440
Let's be lab lab partners. Yeah, let's be lab partners again. But I know that the storyline like Brittany Snow and John Tucker are like falling in love and you kind of start to like feel that but then she's also flirting with the brother and you can

681
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,440
I was like, team am I supposed to be on? I don't know.

682
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:28,440
I don't know anymore. Now I'm starting to realize that John Tucker is the main character of this movie.

683
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:40,440
He is. That's the whole movie is about him and no one else has as much going on as John Tucker does and there's never there's never like a point where like anyone does anything outside of John Tucker to really fucking matter.

684
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:49,440
I wonder what he what number he was on like on the call sheets when they were filming like if he was number one. Yeah, because that would.

685
00:54:49,440 --> 00:55:00,440
Yeah, totally defeats the purpose of the movie. Yeah, so to me for that reason, it's supposed to be like, yeah, trying to take him down but all he does is like succeed. Yeah, that way.

686
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:08,440
And you kind of like him. Yeah, and like these women are just like, who do we take down next? You're just like so nobody learns any lessons.

687
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:25,440
And that guy is on the stage thing like they almost try to do a carry thing with the water and like an embarrassment and then like the food fight and like those four jabronis at the front are just kind of like supposed to be like the chorus the Greek chorus almost of like of like,

688
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:44,440
Okay, this is what I learned from the movie and there's going to be like, yeah, or they're going to be like no, no, represent us and then like it goes through five different fucking arcs arc completions in five seconds and I couldn't I couldn't actually keep track by the time they were all having a food fight I

689
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:54,440
thought I couldn't understand if it was happier angry fat food fight because we're all getting along until like 30 like five seconds before.

690
00:55:54,440 --> 00:56:04,440
Before the birthday party scene, then everyone has a falling out and then everyone at the birthday party is unhappy with each other, and then they have a food fight and then everyone spends again.

691
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,440
That's usually what happens to you so it doesn't make sense.

692
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,440
It actually you know what it makes perfect sense.

693
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:27,440
I think that this movie just suffers like other movies similarly, where it's like we have to have this in this movie, and then you're retroactively trying to be like, okay, like, you know, how do we get from here.

694
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,440
You know, we want the climax to be a food fight.

695
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,440
How do we get there?

696
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:48,440
And we got this band. I forgot the band is someone in the oh yeah band in 2006 come on. What are we doing? Your DJs at this point.

697
00:56:48,440 --> 00:57:04,440
That song sounded familiar some indie rock song and it was not the best one on the soundtrack the soundtrack is pretty great and dirty little secret is almost like the come it comes back at the end and like a nice little fun way and it was funny car and I watched

698
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,440
What was it a house bunny car?

699
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,440
Oh, that's a good movie.

700
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:18,440
The lead singer of all American rejects plays a part in the movie and he's pretty funny. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

701
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,440
He's a pen bad.

702
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,440
He's a pen bad.

703
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,440
He was like in a frat too. So he's like the cool nerdy guy.

704
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,440
Yeah.

705
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,440
That's breaking stereotypes. That's kind of cool.

706
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,440
In a sense.

707
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,440
Like he's not like the nerdy guy or the cool guy. He's like both.

708
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,440
Yeah.

709
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,440
Indie rock cool guy at the time. Yeah. Yeah.

710
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,440
It's got Emma Stone in it too. Right.

711
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,440
Correct.

712
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,440
She's like the she's like the oh are you saying is she in that. Yeah.

713
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,440
And then also Bruce Willis's daughter.

714
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,440
Yeah. Yeah.

715
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:04,440
But man, even though you see what you will about the scary movies. I mean, it's on a Faris is a

716
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:14,440
very, very funny. She's so funny. So funny. So funny. And it's almost like she's how's funny.

717
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,440
She's fucking hilarious in that movie. I'm like I never seen.

718
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:26,440
Yeah. You know, you can weirdly brush her off because you're like oh yeah the girl that's in all those really stupid spoof movies.

719
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,440
But that's what she's doing at. She was going at it because of her. Yeah.

720
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:36,440
You know, she's a little nilson level funny. She's my favorite.

721
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,440
Oh yeah. Oh my god. Oh yeah.

722
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:46,440
We did that. Psycho. Psycho in that movie. But I love her in that. So funny though.

723
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,440
Yeah. Which that movie needed that. Do we do that?

724
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:56,440
Yeah, we like her. We didn't like other stuff. We liked her. Yeah.

725
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:04,440
She's a lot. The toothpaste stuff I remember. But the stuff with her like Brian Reynolds little brother was weird and interesting.

726
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:20,440
But any other notes on this one, the outstanding stuff that we didn't mention because I feel like I had a couple little tasty edibles before I watched the movie.

727
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:30,440
I was like rolled on through and had a great time for the most part. And as far as an hour and a half is concerned, I can think of worse ways.

728
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:40,440
But I was like crying at that boat thing. That was escalated in such a funny, funny way that is like somehow the highlight of it.

729
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:50,440
Like schoolgirls getting a boat to chase a bigger boat with like the video camera equipment and stuff. I was like, what are we doing here?

730
00:59:50,440 --> 01:00:00,440
It sounds like. It didn't really reference that this town they live on is on the edge of a giant lake. Like ever. I saw like it's in Seattle.

731
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,440
I think that they could. I think it's like in Washington. Yeah.

732
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:16,440
I guess they do have that little beach party. I guess that's it. But yeah. Yeah. No other reference to boats or canoeing or anything. The entire movie.

733
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:26,440
Right. But also to the reason that they're there is so stupid because like, why do you need this video footage? I know they just don't like, oh no, he's really pulling out the big guns.

734
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,440
We've never been on a boat. He's really trying. This really means something.

735
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:39,440
Yeah, because they hate him. But how dare he date somebody else? That's. And that's where they turn like, oh, well, actually, I would want to date him again.

736
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:48,440
And he should be doing these kind of things for me. Oh my gosh. And he like proposes and gives him for his watch. Oh, yeah.

737
01:00:48,440 --> 01:01:00,440
Oh my God. That's how we know he loves you. He let you wear his giant watch. Don't ask me if you fucking watch.

738
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:06,440
If a guy gave you a watch like that watch, you would be like, oh, that's really sweet that you did this, but.

739
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:13,440
No, thanks. This is like. This is a gesture. It's a man's watch.

740
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:18,440
I'm sure that was a thing in high school, but it just seems so silly now.

741
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,440
Like that. Just give me the letterman's jacket. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

742
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,440
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

743
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:30,440
No, I can make sense, Maddie. Like that does seem like a high school thing. Like, oh my God. Yeah. Like he gave me something of his.

744
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,440
I can see that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

745
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,440
I reinvented. I'm wearing his fruca necklace.

746
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:44,440
I can make it a watch. Make it a what? Like there's so many other things that people actually do in high school and.

747
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:49,440
I know. I don't like the jacket or hoodie or something.

748
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:55,440
Well, I guess he just had to watch on him at the time. Like that was the only he's not gonna take off his shirt.

749
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:56,440
Maybe.

750
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:01,440
Right. But I mean, that doesn't. Yeah, that makes worse.

751
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:08,440
It definitely wasn't premeditated. It was like, you know what? Let me just give you my watch.

752
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,440
I like that.

753
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,440
All the girls are like, oh, my God.

754
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:21,440
I like the contrast of how stupid it is to how heavy like they take it, how big a video it is for them.

755
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:22,440
Yeah.

756
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:28,440
Says everything about him and how they look at him, which I guess is successful because it's a stupid gesture, but.

757
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:34,440
It's coming from, oh, John Tucker did it. Oh, John Tucker's watch.

758
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:44,440
And then also to it's followed by like one of those stereotypical scenes where she's walking down the hallway and music's playing and she's just big, stupid watch.

759
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:52,440
And she's just like, everybody's looking at my watch. Everybody knows that I'm with them and you're like, there she goes.

760
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:59,440
There she goes.

761
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:04,440
It's like rewatching it. Like I was just back in that fortnight all the time. So like that's how you saw the world. That's how.

762
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:05,440
Yeah.

763
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:06,440
Yeah.

764
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,440
How like dramatic everything was. Yeah.

765
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,440
In high school, everything.

766
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,440
Or racing. Yeah. Like everything.

767
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:27,440
And then it's like, what life felt like in a weird way. It was such a good time capsule of feelings. Just be like that would have just been monumental slash devastating slash things we'd be so upset about.

768
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:33,440
And then the look of it, it looks like what it looked like when we were in high school, the closest thing it could approximate to.

769
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:49,440
And it's like, this is what our high school styles, purportedly kind of like we're trying to look like. The other funny part for me that I was cracking up at because I thought the, I don't know who was playing the vegan activists.

770
01:03:49,440 --> 01:04:04,440
I think it was.

771
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:11,440
Very funny. And I liked when she got into the back to hide in the back of John Tucker's car or Land Rover. I liked his Land Rover. It was cool Land Rover.

772
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:24,440
Like transfer like the emotions that she goes through is first upset because she's like, who is who else has he been with to finding out? Oh, it's 100% hemp.

773
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:32,440
And then realizing, oh, this is mine. And then to like, I might as well take it.

774
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:39,440
There was like such a progress of emotions that was so funny that she never said anything. She just was like, angry.

775
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,440
I was surprised, accepting.

776
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:49,440
100% hemp fabric, the 100% hemp killed me. Like that sound so uncomfortable.

777
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,440
It's a bra. Yeah.

778
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,440
Aerotype.

779
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:59,440
We got in there with like, just for the joke and I'm just like, funny.

780
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:13,440
I wish she owned like her sexuality more. Like, I know like she did, but they all kind of made fun of her for being a slut. But I wish she kind of like owned it a little bit more because then it would have been like, yeah, you can do whatever you want.

781
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:14,440
Yeah.

782
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:29,440
Her job was to like to teach Britney Snow how to be, you know, like how to how to like make out which ended up being like the most male gaze part of the movie was her teaching her like how to kiss and then the, you know, young boy.

783
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,440
Yeah. And the young boy says, Holy Jamma llama.

784
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:38,440
Jamma llama is what he says. I because I have the subtitles on I was like, huh?

785
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,440
Holy Jamma.

786
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:45,440
Oh, 2006 slain. You know, Brandon, how we used to say that all the time.

787
01:05:45,440 --> 01:06:04,440
See, that's what's so weird. And this is where I sometimes struggle with like, what is like being a feminist and like what is like massage and has taken all that stuff and it's it can sometimes be a blur line because I had that same experience with a girlfriend, like in junior high.

788
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:11,440
And, but like, they so it feels like normal. I don't know to me. It feels like a lot more.

789
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:18,440
But then to have the guy witness that that felt like the male gaze part of it. Right. Exactly. Do you know me?

790
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,440
Exactly. Yeah.

791
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,440
Without him walking in. Yeah. Or whatever.

792
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,440
Whatever fine however they played it, but that for sure made it.

793
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:36,440
Yeah, like I think girls make I mean, I don't want to say all girls do, but like it's more common for girls to make out with girls.

794
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:46,440
But then it's the male gaze part of it when like someone's like, you know, like, so I don't know. Like it was it didn't seem weird that she was teaching her how to make out.

795
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,440
She's never been out before.

796
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:54,440
I did it out completely. It could have just like, oh, John's coming back better hide. Like it didn't need the little kid being like, yeah.

797
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,440
Yeah, exactly.

798
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:01,440
So I don't know. That's where sometimes I'm like making guys dumb is kind of funny, though. I don't know. The locker room thing.

799
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:09,440
And you're just showing how like, how like, how dumb they are and how like something so simple could just like drop us to our knees and be like,

800
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:15,440
Like that angle could be funnier than. Yeah, I don't know.

801
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:24,440
And that's kind of how I feel about this movie is like there's some blurred lines where it's like it does feel like female empowerment and feministic.

802
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:37,440
But then like, also a lot of male gaze. So I don't know. I think the male gaze part is just that it was 2006. And that was just the norm back then, you know, like that was just what was the standard like Maddie was saying.

803
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:52,440
Those broad lines kind of help it because I think if it yeah, if it had been too much of the male centric sort of thing in a different sort of way where yeah, it was more national lampoon American pie and it only had like tinges of that it wasn't it wasn't

804
01:07:52,440 --> 01:08:04,440
the main ball. The main point of it. And it was just, you know, John Tucker coming out on top was kind of goofy and almost spoke to just yeah, the, yeah, the privilege of this dumbass.

805
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:09,440
He's still dumb. He hasn't changed, but he's still just gotten better and progress and everything.

806
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:22,440
And so, you know, it's just like, yeah, I don't know the more like this is the society of high school or like, you know, maybe you're no matter what you do, you know, so you might as well not try to like live off hate and bring someone down.

807
01:08:22,440 --> 01:08:37,440
And this movie doesn't do go this way at all. It tries to be with the moral statement at the end, you know, like maybe but like that's it's I like that that side of it if it had gone there a little bit more and and I'm glad for movies like mean girls that

808
01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:52,440
are able to be so heartfelt and funny at the same time and then yeah movies like heathers where it's able to be so fucked up and really goes the the whole mile the other direction.

809
01:08:52,440 --> 01:09:02,440
The other one we watched recently brand and I forget the name of it was really kind of like a heathers thing to where it just escalates to this whole whole other level.

810
01:09:02,440 --> 01:09:12,440
And I have to alter remember it has has the person from like Shiva baby and bodies bodies bodies. Oh, oh yeah. Bottoms bottoms. Excellent movie and yeah more.

811
01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:20,440
So more so the Heather and Heather kind of Heather's kind of direction where it goes like whoa they're really going this far with it wow.

812
01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:32,440
Yeah, like go bigger home yeah this movie is like it's all it's like it feels like it's almost there it's like yeah it's like out like the longing for female camaraderie it's revealing that like women.

813
01:09:32,440 --> 01:09:53,440
It's beneficial and it's like, you know, we take men down by each other but then it just kind of misses the point. Yeah, because I do like the right trajectory. It just like totally fails. Yeah, because I do like how you're saying like the woman gossiping

814
01:09:53,440 --> 01:10:08,440
and the revenge stuff like that's fun like why not like that's fun you know and being high school sure women talk about that stuff too but yeah it just it just yeah like they could have helped each other and support each other but I think down to the very end they

815
01:10:08,440 --> 01:10:14,440
still wanted to be enemies with each other they were still competing.

816
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:25,440
It's got it. You're not about the downfall of John Tucker it's about yeah just it's not you're not going to get through to this right this Greek God of a man.

817
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:42,440
And I'm curious and then I guess it brings us to you know there is talks of a sequel and number a number two on its way so maybe it'll be a horror or yeah and he guesses on what that like what is an what is an older

818
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:58,440
John Tucker like is he settled down is he is it about his kids is it is it like he's figured everything out in life and it's perfect or is it he's got issues and yeah I wonder does he really die this time.

819
01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:13,440
That would be.

820
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:29,440
Okay gosh.

821
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:44,440
I also thought the blonde in this movie was Catherine Heigl for the first like 20 minutes movie I didn't realize I see that I could see the yeah I could totally see that.

822
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:46,440
Yeah I would like to see other like female revenge movies.

823
01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:47,440
That's fine.

824
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:48,440
Yeah.

825
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:53,440
I'll deal with this. This is one kind of miss the mark for me and just didn't didn't land. They made it better in a way.

826
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:55,440
They didn't kill the guy.

827
01:11:55,440 --> 01:12:03,440
I kind of think that's the angle I would have like yeah he must die and then not one of them suggested a way to kill it.

828
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:10,440
It could have should have escalated a little closer to that line when the movie is titled John Tucker must fucking die like it doesn't even.

829
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:14,440
Yeah, doesn't even he's not at risk at all.

830
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:24,440
Right like shouldn't the ending of this movie been where he dies but then it's revealed like it was like a ski like he doesn't actually die right.

831
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:26,440
But they think they actually did.

832
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:30,440
Something like that right like yeah.

833
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:32,440
Yeah.

834
01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:34,440
Yeah.

835
01:12:34,440 --> 01:12:36,440
Yeah.

836
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:38,440
I don't know.

837
01:12:38,440 --> 01:12:40,440
Yes.

838
01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:43,440
This viewer says yes.

839
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:49,440
You almost seems like the Ferris Bueller of the school except like he's cheating on his girlfriend.

840
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:52,440
Because everyone treats him like Ferris Bueller.

841
01:12:52,440 --> 01:13:04,440
Oh, he's easily the coolest guy. Yeah, I mean, yeah, some notes I took. Yeah, like I said obscene amount of notes some quotes to riddle off is just right from the get go is john Tucker let's face it.

842
01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:06,440
He's the man.

843
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:08,440
Just okay.

844
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:14,440
And then he's somewhere between an Abercrombie model and a great God.

845
01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:16,440
Also batch.

846
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:19,440
Yeah, right. I mean, yes.

847
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:22,440
I'm not a model.

848
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:25,440
Just take more than that.

849
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:42,440
I texted you guys this but the line that when they're all sitting there at the computer or whatever and his face is up on the screen is we need to define john and they say he's a statue wrapped in a peening in a frame made of muscles.

850
01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:43,440
If I had a nickel.

851
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:53,440
That's that's the that's the type of stuff we're getting from this movie is these just bangers also not to nitpick but there's the scene where all the girls are eating chocolate stuff.

852
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:59,440
And the vegan girl looks like she's eating chocolate just saying I had that in the back of my mind as well and she was.

853
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:04,440
Yeah, I was like, is there any milk chocolate in there. Maybe she's just going for the dark chocolate.

854
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:06,440
Maybe it's just the dark chocolate.

855
01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:09,440
I had thought I took that in the back of my mind.

856
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:17,440
I just clocked what they had with them in that scene because it's so much diet coke in this movie get out of here.

857
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:21,440
Absolutely but there's so much diet coke.

858
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:23,440
In that scene.

859
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:27,440
They have just their housing a jar of peanut butter.

860
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:38,440
They have to chocolate syrup containers a bunch of diet diet coke and then yeah just an open can of chocolate frosting and that's just kind of the chocolate charcuterie board that they're rocking with.

861
01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:44,440
Speaking of strange food items how about the guy at the mascot had eating popcorn out of it.

862
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:48,440
His buddy eating popcorn out of the mascot head.

863
01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:50,440
What the fuck was that about?

864
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:52,440
There's a lot of popcorn.

865
01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:59,440
It's probably all very stinky and like wet and not crispy anymore and just look.

866
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:15,440
This is so gross. Can I say what I think the most fucked up part of the movie or one of them is when they do the add the movie theater for him having genital herpes and then he turns that into getting like most responsible teenager award.

867
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:16,440
Oh yeah.

868
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:17,440
Yeah.

869
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:22,440
We have a whole panel of teenagers sitting out there that have like open out.

870
01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:24,440
Yeah, have.

871
01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:29,440
And then they're like trying to hug him and he's like pushing them off.

872
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:32,440
I was like this is so bad.

873
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:33,440
That was very good.

874
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:35,440
That was so bad.

875
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:42,440
I was like this whole start to finish this little storyline is just pretty messed up.

876
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:58,440
Oh yeah. And for me the so after the estrogen, then it gets turned around immediately where beautiful women just come up to him because now he's emotional so now it's attractive because he's so emotional.

877
01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:07,440
One of them says that that call me on my peer counseling hotline.

878
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:09,440
She's like a bear.

879
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:12,440
For other high schoolers.

880
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:14,440
Yeah, whoa, what I didn't.

881
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:17,440
Is that a thing.

882
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:20,440
Yeah, I was kind of reeling on that.

883
01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:23,440
Whoa, was that where people doing that.

884
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:28,440
I just did at times it seems kind of weird like high schoolers giving other high schoolers advice.

885
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:29,440
So messed up.

886
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:38,440
You know, I guess I'm sure it's good to talk to somebody your age but yeah, I didn't didn't know that that was the thing about peer counseling hotlines that people.

887
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:49,440
And it's just okay so Scott describes Brittany Snow's character as she's into old school Elvis Costello. She listens to obscure podcasts.

888
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:56,440
And then she reads David Edgers, you know, she's deep man.

889
01:16:56,440 --> 01:17:00,440
Podcast in 2006 though I mean that was kind of surprising.

890
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:05,440
Yeah, I'm listening to like fucking Super Ego or something.

891
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:09,440
No, right. She's not even having Kevin Spock has.

892
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:14,440
Serial Serial is probably past that.

893
01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:18,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

894
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:29,440
Can I say one more thing about the boat thing I have on my notes. I'm trying to remember at what time it said but someone someone says not on the high seas.

895
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:35,440
I think that's the blonde girl.

896
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:38,440
Can't fight on the not on the high seas.

897
01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:40,440
The ocean or the on the lake.

898
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:51,440
And then she also head taps that Brittany Snow at one point like she's freaking out instead of slapping her she just like taps her like.

899
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:59,440
There's a lot of like open hand slapping in this movie and yeah just like pushing.

900
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:01,440
I didn't notice wow.

901
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:03,440
I'm gonna have to watch again.

902
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:07,440
The volleyball scene where they're just throwing volleyball is full speed.

903
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:08,440
That is true.

904
01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:12,440
Progresses into them just open hand like slapping each other on the face.

905
01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:17,440
Wait, yeah, too much women fighting in a movie about them trying to kill a man.

906
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:26,440
Also to the reason that the whole volleyball thing happened is because the teacher immediately got acute angina.

907
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:30,440
They just say that I don't know what the fuck that man.

908
01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:31,440
I don't know.

909
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:35,440
Remember how she's like walking to the medical thing.

910
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:50,440
Acute angina which just seems like okay that she is that way the volleyball classes by all the P.E. classes had to be together on medical leave for giving gender confirmation surgery.

911
01:18:50,440 --> 01:19:01,440
It seemed like she had a heart attack because it was a situation where like Brittany Snow is passing the teacher in the hallway and then all of a sudden she just starts to collapse.

912
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:03,440
And then she died.

913
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:09,440
And then they're like she came down with acute angina.

914
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:21,440
And then that's why they have to have the other teacher be the you know do the P.E. class and then she's like okay now you guys need to get together and we're gonna play volleyball and all that shit.

915
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:30,440
But yeah acute angina was officially John Tucker's demise because if he had not given that teacher a heart attack with his good books.

916
01:19:30,440 --> 01:19:31,440
That's right.

917
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:35,440
None of his girlfriends would have met each other.

918
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:36,440
Cross-pollinated.

919
01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:38,440
So that really.

920
01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:39,440
Thank God we're in a movie.

921
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:40,440
Yeah.

922
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:41,440
I know.

923
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:42,440
I like that.

924
01:19:42,440 --> 01:19:44,440
Oh this is how he keeps them separate.

925
01:19:44,440 --> 01:19:47,440
Like I forget the term that they use.

926
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:48,440
Oh yeah.

927
01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:50,440
But like he goes to different clicks.

928
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:51,440
Okay.

929
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:53,440
Yeah that's what the waitress tells us.

930
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:54,440
Yes.

931
01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:57,440
The crying waitress tells us that she dates girls from different clicks.

932
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:01,440
And then during basketball season he says his dad doesn't allow him to have girlfriends.

933
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:02,440
That's why he gets.

934
01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:03,440
And I'm like.

935
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:04,440
I don't know.

936
01:20:04,440 --> 01:20:08,440
I'm sorry but it is.

937
01:20:08,440 --> 01:20:10,440
It's manipulative.

938
01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:14,440
But like it kind of works.

939
01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:15,440
It's bad.

940
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:17,440
It's kind of like what her mom's doing.

941
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:18,440
He's a smart guy.

942
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:22,440
Her mom and him have a lot in common.

943
01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:27,440
So she's like.

944
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:31,440
Maybe she needs to take a page out of his book and just spread to different.

945
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:33,440
Like dates someone from out of town.

946
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:36,440
Not from someone from the town that she's.

947
01:20:36,440 --> 01:20:37,440
No more skips.

948
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,440
The pilot might be the move.

949
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:40,440
Maybe get closer to that pilot.

950
01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:41,440
She was.

951
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:42,440
She was banging.

952
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:43,440
Yeah.

953
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:44,440
That might be the move.

954
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:45,440
He was a tall guy.

955
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,440
Tall drink of water.

956
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:48,440
Tall drink of water.

957
01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:51,440
Brandon do you like a man in uniform?

958
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:52,440
I'm like.

959
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:53,440
I'm like.

960
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:54,440
Jenny McCarthy.

961
01:20:54,440 --> 01:20:57,440
He can buy me expensive.

962
01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:58,440
I want to watch.

963
01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:00,440
I want to travel.

964
01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:02,440
It would actually fit my wrist.

965
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:05,440
So they say that all about the clicks and this whole thing that he has.

966
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:09,440
But then it's completely undercut because then it shows him walking into the

967
01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:12,440
school and he's just playing grab ass all the way down the hallway.

968
01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:13,440
Yeah.

969
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:14,440
So explicit.

970
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:15,440
So explicit.

971
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:16,440
So explicit.

972
01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:17,440
So explicit.

973
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:18,440
So explicit.

974
01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:21,440
So explicit.

975
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:23,440
So explicit in just licking girls fingers.

976
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:26,440
Weling alley.

977
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:28,440
There's zero way.

978
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:33,440
You're telling me that no other women saw this going down before,

979
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:35,440
which is impossible because if they're dating,

980
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:38,440
then the second he shows up there clocking him right?

981
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:39,440
You're like,

982
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:41,440
if you're with somebody you're like, oh,

983
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:42,440
my significant other is here.

984
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:44,440
But he's like,

985
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:47,900
like going to grab her ass, going to go over here, just hug her,

986
01:21:47,900 --> 01:21:49,060
talk to her in a little smooch.

987
01:21:49,060 --> 01:21:50,860
And then he just keeps moving through.

988
01:21:50,860 --> 01:21:54,960
And I'm like, OK, well, this just, I mean, I'm sorry to, again,

989
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,240
pick a movie that doesn't mean to make sense.

990
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,500
But that kind of stuff is just so wacky.

991
01:21:59,500 --> 01:22:00,740
It's like a music video that part.

992
01:22:00,740 --> 01:22:03,340
Like that's where it's just like we're going to play play a song and have them

993
01:22:03,340 --> 01:22:06,940
yeah, go through and show them what a play area is all in one scene.

994
01:22:06,940 --> 01:22:08,560
Well, the song plays.

995
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,440
But yeah, it's like they were like five feet away and just like, hey, wait a second.

996
01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:17,160
You just I took from that how important it gossip is.

997
01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:19,400
Like, yeah, I believe in this.

998
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,640
Like he was benefiting so much from women not talking to each other.

999
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,880
And I think gossip is amazing.

1000
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:30,600
It's amazing. That's how women that's how women used to talk or like find out about things.

1001
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,720
Relief for women like like watching this movie.

1002
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,520
I was like, this is why gossip is so important because women can figure things out so fast

1003
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,120
because for women, like information is currency.

1004
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,440
It's just so important.

1005
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:44,360
It's some it's how we communicate to yeah.

1006
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,840
People are like safe in a way.

1007
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:50,480
But yeah, also, it's just I love it.

1008
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:53,160
Just like locker room talk in my right brain.

1009
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,160
Yeah.

1010
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:56,160
What?

1011
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:57,160
I think it's just.

1012
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,160
Man, I'm sorry.

1013
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:02,160
Time to.

1014
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:07,960
Meanwhile, women are like building webs and creating.

1015
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:10,600
War rooms with computers.

1016
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,600
We're just like.

1017
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,400
Oh, yeah, we're doing the arm that's working.

1018
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:16,600
That was so close.

1019
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,000
Oh, yeah.

1020
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,600
Eating popcorn out of.

1021
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,040
It's just like a party day.

1022
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,800
Well, maybe we should move on to some reviews here.

1023
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,760
Does anybody want to want to take a break or anything?

1024
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,160
We we get to move on.

1025
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:34,160
I want to take a quick bathroom break.

1026
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:35,160
That's cool.

1027
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,080
OK, we take a little little break and we'll be right back.

1028
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:40,960
All right, we are back.

1029
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:46,880
Let's check out some reviews from critics and audiences.

1030
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:48,240
We'll start with the critics side.

1031
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,160
They gave it a 28 percent on rotten tomatoes.

1032
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:53,280
Some of the top critics here.

1033
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:58,160
Let's check it out from Anna Smith from Time Out says,

1034
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:01,360
not the worst of its kind, but few over the age of 14.

1035
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,240
We'll find it worth forking out for.

1036
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,640
Working out forking out Mula.

1037
01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:09,120
It's a lot of doing stuff like that.

1038
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,160
14, if you're 14, I guess, like, are you going to spend the money

1039
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:14,920
to go see it in the movie theaters?

1040
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,120
I guess is what they're saying.

1041
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:18,320
Claudia Pueg USA.

1042
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:21,120
Today, John Tucker must die is trying to be mean girls

1043
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,440
with a more pointed purpose, but it's less fun than it sounds.

1044
01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:26,920
Two out of four.

1045
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:31,560
James Burr are Dennelli real views.

1046
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,040
One and a half out of four says the jokes are obvious and unfunny.

1047
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,200
The storyline goes nowhere.

1048
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,000
That's interesting or unexpected.

1049
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,080
And the only chemistry happens in a science lab.

1050
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,400
Fairly true.

1051
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,880
I'm in a body bag from Peter Travers.

1052
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:52,800
He gave it a zero out of four and said it's a timid,

1053
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,640
screamingly unfunny ripoff of Heather's.

1054
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,040
Peter Travers really defending Heather's.

1055
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,800
And then last, Jeanette Katzolas from New York Times.

1056
01:25:04,440 --> 01:25:08,080
Two out of five, a dispiriting revenge fantasy engineered by three

1057
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,360
waspish Barbies against one disposable Ken.

1058
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,960
Oh, I just agree with that from New York Times.

1059
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:21,920
She.

1060
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,760
Let's move to audience reviews.

1061
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:32,200
Use 69% just to remind you on the audience side.

1062
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,720
Let's let's see what they have to say.

1063
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,160
Here's a five star review from Amira was was.

1064
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:44,280
Just a classic early 2000s cliche, but amazing in every way.

1065
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:48,360
It for sure kept my interest, but I did first watch it when I was like 10.

1066
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,480
So I have a love in my heart for this movie.

1067
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:54,400
I'm rewatching it currently as an adult and it's still an easy, easy rewatch.

1068
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,600
It's funny and interesting and gives me all the right vibes watching it.

1069
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,800
If you haven't seen it, you have to go watch it right now.

1070
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,560
What are you waiting for?

1071
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:04,720
Call the action.

1072
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:05,920
You got to love that review.

1073
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:06,920
Oh, yeah.

1074
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:08,480
Call the action at the end.

1075
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,640
Trevor Renshaw gave it a five.

1076
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,320
Such a good movie seen at many times.

1077
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,320
It's funny, dramatic and a classic teen movie filled with shenanigans

1078
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:19,720
and different stereotypes.

1079
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:24,520
This movie is a cliche about high school dating and life in general, a good

1080
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,840
movie to watch for a sleepover if you're in the mood for juicy gossip and fun pranks.

1081
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,560
This is a fun sleepover movie, right?

1082
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:33,360
Yeah, I do.

1083
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,040
That was the vibe.

1084
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,680
That's such a good way to describe it.

1085
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,720
That should be a genre because you want to laugh with it,

1086
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:43,640
laugh about it with people and like poke fun at it too.

1087
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:44,640
Yeah.

1088
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:46,440
And also not pay attention to our.

1089
01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:47,960
Yeah.

1090
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:48,440
Yeah.

1091
01:26:48,440 --> 01:26:50,240
Like you can zone out if you need to.

1092
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,880
You can zone out and talk to your friends at the sleepover.

1093
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,160
And you know exactly what's happening.

1094
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:56,160
Yeah.

1095
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:57,160
Yeah.

1096
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,920
It really sticks to the core point of it, of like they're just going after John Tucker,

1097
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,320
maybe not the diet part, but they're going after him.

1098
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,320
The whole focus is on him.

1099
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,920
We'll do maybe one or two more.

1100
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,640
From Pam Renterra, five stars.

1101
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,080
The soundtrack, a perfect time capsule.

1102
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,760
Penn Badgley playing the long game to get the girl.

1103
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:18,400
Chef's kiss.

1104
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,920
This cast, absolutely 10 out of 10 casting.

1105
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,560
A classic that immediately takes me back to high school.

1106
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:27,760
Oh yeah.

1107
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,480
From Summer Coupu, five stars.

1108
01:27:31,480 --> 01:27:33,120
I love this movie.

1109
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:34,360
SM.

1110
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:35,200
So much.

1111
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,120
All the characters were perfect.

1112
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:38,440
John Tucker is fine.

1113
01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:40,440
NGL ID Gaff.

1114
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:42,720
Oh, God.

1115
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:43,760
Wow.

1116
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:44,880
Okay.

1117
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,000
I want to experience what Kate and John had.

1118
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:50,280
And I love the little trio with Heather, Beth and Carrie.

1119
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,440
And Penn was such a cutie.

1120
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:56,520
I want to watch a movie with her.

1121
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:57,520
Yeah, there's some.

1122
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,680
These are whoever that person is.

1123
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,880
I just stepped into Letterbox reviews and these are so fun.

1124
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,520
There's a lot more fun and cool.

1125
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,520
Come from from good people.

1126
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:10,760
It seems like I'll do these last two are kind of fun.

1127
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,200
From Stoltz, Molly Stutz, five stars.

1128
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,000
Most girl boss movie ever.

1129
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,200
All men should die.

1130
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,400
From Nyla, five stars.

1131
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,000
Every man gets what he deserves.

1132
01:28:27,480 --> 01:28:28,880
The person in the watch screen.

1133
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:29,880
No, he didn't.

1134
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:30,880
No, he didn't.

1135
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,080
That's not what happened.

1136
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:33,080
That's not what happened.

1137
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,080
That's just.

1138
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,880
Well, unless she thinks she deserves to be like, I don't know.

1139
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:42,480
With two girls that are okay with him dating.

1140
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:44,480
He turns to ethical nominogamy.

1141
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:46,200
That's essentially what happened.

1142
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:47,200
Yeah, which is.

1143
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:49,200
Yeah, he becomes like.

1144
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,400
I don't know that he got like what he deserved.

1145
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:52,400
I think.

1146
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:54,800
Unless what he what he.

1147
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:58,200
Yeah, he deserves open, honest relationship.

1148
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:00,840
Then give what he deserves.

1149
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:01,840
Honestly.

1150
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,480
And polygamy.

1151
01:29:03,480 --> 01:29:06,720
Um, from Haley, five stars.

1152
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,240
Sorry, I'll do this maybe one once more.

1153
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:14,680
This was this was a prequel to big love.

1154
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,680
The polygamous.

1155
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:17,680
Never.

1156
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:22,240
I just watched that sale right over my head.

1157
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:26,840
And that's the sequel is like he's a Mormon.

1158
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:30,440
Oh, now we're talking.

1159
01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:31,440
Oh my God.

1160
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:32,640
And maybe if that's where a play.

1161
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:33,640
Yeah, he's a polygamous.

1162
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,240
And then all all his wives have to get back on them.

1163
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,240
Oh, he like.

1164
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:39,640
He's so confident.

1165
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,840
He genuinely doesn't think what he's doing is wrong.

1166
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:42,840
Yeah.

1167
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:43,840
Okay.

1168
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,240
Hey, Brandon, can you get that Mr. Hollywood back on the line?

1169
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:48,240
Please.

1170
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,240
Yeah, hold on.

1171
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:52,240
From Haley.

1172
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,240
Haley five stars.

1173
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,240
Forced feminization is a topic line is so progressive of them.

1174
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,240
Probably my 10th rewatch.

1175
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:00,240
Well, forever love this film.

1176
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,240
It's so offensively perfect.

1177
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:03,240
I can't take it.

1178
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:07,240
Sophia Bush made and still makes me feel a specific way in this.

1179
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:08,240
Lol.

1180
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:11,240
Who else remembers that gay kiss being way longer?

1181
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:14,240
Holy jamalama kiss her again.

1182
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:18,240
So that's the female gaze.

1183
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,240
On that as well.

1184
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,240
You know what?

1185
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,240
That person should go to jail.

1186
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:28,240
You're so bad.

1187
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:31,240
Probably for a lot of a lot of teenage girls.

1188
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,240
This was like a wake up call movie.

1189
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:36,240
They were just like, sure.

1190
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,240
Like we don't even know.

1191
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:44,240
So I think I liked parts of this that maybe I wasn't expecting to like.

1192
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:45,240
Yeah.

1193
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,240
I mean, overall.

1194
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:48,240
I love that for them.

1195
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:49,240
Yeah.

1196
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:53,240
How, how hot do you think John Tucker is like on a scale of one to 10.

1197
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:57,240
Also for men, I feel like John Tucker was probably a wake up call to a lot.

1198
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:58,240
Yeah.

1199
01:30:58,240 --> 01:30:59,240
Yeah.

1200
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:02,240
A lot of people that watched this movie were like, ooh.

1201
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:03,240
Yeah.

1202
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:04,240
Interesting.

1203
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:06,240
Yeah.

1204
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:08,240
I'll just do one more.

1205
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:09,240
I'm sorry.

1206
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,240
These are fun from IRI five stars.

1207
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,240
Once a cheater, always a cheater and asshole is always an asshole.

1208
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:15,240
A red flag is always a red flag.

1209
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:17,240
A jerk will always be a jerk.

1210
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:18,240
Don't go saying anyone.

1211
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:19,240
Don't go saying anyone.

1212
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:20,240
You can fix him.

1213
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:21,240
Girl.

1214
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:23,240
No, nothing can fix his unbearable mind.

1215
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:30,240
Nothing and no one, even a good girl like you and God, you literally deserve so much more than him, more than that treatment.

1216
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:31,240
Focus on yourself first.

1217
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:32,240
Okay.

1218
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,240
I'm gonna live with Adam.

1219
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:35,240
He's not a loss.

1220
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:36,240
I love Scott.

1221
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:37,240
He's just so my type.

1222
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,240
Why do guys like him don't exist here?

1223
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,240
There's just so much John Tucker here.

1224
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:41,240
Where's here?

1225
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:42,240
I don't know.

1226
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:46,240
I think that was a breakup letter.

1227
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:47,240
Okay.

1228
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,240
She lives in a movie.

1229
01:31:49,240 --> 01:32:00,240
She's like a talking to the characters like the real people like she's got some heartbreak from freshman year that she still has not done.

1230
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,240
Oh, yeah.

1231
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:04,240
Scott is her Tucker.

1232
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,240
He's the other Tucker.

1233
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:08,240
The other tuck.

1234
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,240
The pen vaguely.

1235
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,240
The tuck everlasting, if you will.

1236
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,240
Maybe that's the sequel.

1237
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,240
John Tucker everlasting.

1238
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:21,240
Let's throw a score on this bad boy.

1239
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,240
Any other final thoughts?

1240
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,240
Maddie, would you like to start us off?

1241
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:29,240
Or if you want to pass the torch on to anyone else, feel free.

1242
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:30,240
What am I?

1243
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:31,240
What am I scoring?

1244
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:37,240
Any final thoughts and then zero out of 100, zero being Pupi Dupi Snoopy 100 being.

1245
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:40,240
Yeah, bring me back here again.

1246
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:43,240
I'm blending like watching it today.

1247
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:56,240
Like as though it's watched for the first time, it's probably a terrible movie, but watching it through the lens of being 14 again and watching that movie and being the world as I saw it then again was such a treat.

1248
01:32:56,240 --> 01:33:02,240
And I think it is such a time capsule, even though so many elements of it are so messed up, that was the time.

1249
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:06,240
So it is just like such a good throwback.

1250
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,240
I'm blending those two perspectives.

1251
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,240
I like have to be in the middle.

1252
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:15,240
I have to give it like a 56.

1253
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:17,240
Yeah, very fair.

1254
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:21,240
Yeah, it is still fun as problematic as it is.

1255
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:27,240
It is still fun and it's such a good throwback and it's just the soundtrack is amazing.

1256
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:28,240
Yeah.

1257
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,240
Yeah, soundtrack is great.

1258
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,240
Like we that was that was our times.

1259
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:35,240
That was it. That was our life.

1260
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:46,240
And it's, I'm still mad that it's not more like a horror. I thought that they were actually going to try to kill him. So yeah, when I was younger, I was the first time I watched it. I was like pretty bummed about that, you know, like I thought it was going to be scary.

1261
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,240
But

1262
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:50,240
56.

1263
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:54,240
Yeah, the John Tucker two is going to be an E24 movie.

1264
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:55,240
Warmhouse.

1265
01:33:55,240 --> 01:34:03,240
Yes, they're like, they're like, we, as women do not have the confidence to actually deal with the situation the way that we want to.

1266
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:05,240
John Tucker will die.

1267
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:09,240
Definitely will die.

1268
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,240
FR.

1269
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:17,240
And GL IDG. I had to give.

1270
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:25,240
Please, any final fats that we didn't get this get to share and if you had to score it.

1271
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:33,240
Okay, so everything Maddie said, because I totally agree where it was like, if I watched it now, I don't know how into it I'd be.

1272
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:36,240
But like, I like it for nostalgia purposes.

1273
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:41,240
And it wasn't a horrible movie.

1274
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:42,240
Yeah.

1275
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:45,240
I lost my train.

1276
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:51,240
Yeah, I thought I liked that it was just kind of like there wasn't a big conflict.

1277
01:34:51,240 --> 01:35:04,240
It's like one of those things you could easily put on if you're like, you had a long day at work and you just want to put on something feel good and fall asleep to or, you know, you just know like nothing bad or crazy is going to happen.

1278
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,240
Other than the boat scene that was pretty wild.

1279
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:10,240
I'm overhyping it, but I just thought it was so funny.

1280
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:11,240
Yeah.

1281
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:14,240
And yeah, like I was saying earlier too, it was like,

1282
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:21,240
it did feel like there was some like feminist parts, but also there were a lot of like blurred lines were.

1283
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:31,240
Yeah, it was because of the time in 2006 of the male gaze being the standard like that was just the norm.

1284
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:34,240
I would have to get it.

1285
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:36,240
I'd say a 69.

1286
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:48,240
Yeah, well Brandon on to you. Good sir.

1287
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,240
If you like.

1288
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:53,240
Yeah, that third.

1289
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:55,240
Yeah.

1290
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:56,240
Yeah.

1291
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:57,240
Okay.

1292
01:35:57,240 --> 01:36:00,240
Or take the three point shot.

1293
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:02,240
Yeah, which he actually did.

1294
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:03,240
That was real.

1295
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:04,240
Yeah.

1296
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,240
That's where I was just chuckling at the soil.

1297
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,240
It was like, he's doing this with the final shot.

1298
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,240
Get out of here, John Tucker.

1299
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:11,240
He's Florida right now.

1300
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:12,240
You can't do that.

1301
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:17,240
So dramatic.

1302
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:33,240
This movie is so confounding in all and so many choices that it makes, but I did manage to find some interest to what we've mentioned already about it is that this movie subsequently is progressive in ways.

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And then really regressive, I would argue in other ways.

1304
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So it's like, yeah, I would have loved to see this movie lean more into the femininity of it because I think a majority of people who have a fondness for this are probably women, you know, and they connect with this more so then all of the kind of shitty bro masculine stereotypes,

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still having them in there.

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It, and maybe you know what I don't know what the production was like maybe that was like studio notes or something like that to the director, because it's like we want both genders to have fun in the movie theater but this movie would have been so much better if it would have leaned into I think what,

1307
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at least I would like to believe it's like ethos is and like the perspective that it's coming from, and it just never really commits to that it presents it which is again, I would argue like at the time, progressive because again so many of these movies are about like about a man going through

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these things as opposed to girls and whatnot.

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But I cannot excuse the last 15 minutes of this movie that is crazy to me.

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Now, the party sucks.

1311
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So confusing about what happens like.

1312
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Yeah, I already mentioned her coming out on stage and then the film starting and then it like stops and then it's like, what's everybody mad about, and then it's like, okay, cut that okay now we're going here.

1313
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It's always over everybody is you know, and I just I literally was so shocked by the resolution of this movie with john Tucker is a bit where they're like, and he learned something to just kidding.

1314
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He's like, well, he's a perfect angel with a bunch of women hasn't changed. It's the same person at the start of this movie. Nothing really happened to him. He's a perfect angel and I was like, well, fuck you movie like at a bare minimum you could have, you did not need to show that joke button to the scene being like,

1315
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hey ladies, let's get out of here. You didn't need to do that. You could have been like in my mind a shot of like him walking through the hallway and then maybe seeing Brittany Stone being like, you know what I understand you a little bit more I respect you more and I maybe have

1316
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to say that the movie doesn't get a shit about that. And so it's hard for me to like, give it even even above a 50, because I do also recognize to like what you know, are what we were talking about is it's it is nice.

1317
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It is nice to watch a movie where you're like, I'm never, you know, in danger, or there's nothing's ever really going to go wrong where you have to like deal with the fallout of something going wrong.

1318
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You know, and then movies can kind of get bogged down in that you know, all of that it's kind of nice that this movie just moves at a clip and it's like you know what fuck it who cares let's go on to the next thing and that's that's got a place you know what movies can be fun.

1319
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You know, you need to be, you know, deep or yeah, I don't know, something other than just enjoyable. But for me, I'm going to give this movie a, I'm going to give this a 46%.

1320
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Excellent. Excellent. On on to me. Yeah, I mean, I, I like where we're all headed in this discussion where we've all been able to enjoy the some of the positives of it.

1321
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And I think for that, for me to start with, I think it is subjective of me to enjoy the 2006 aspect of this movie, I think that goes a long way from the attire, the wardrobe to the music and, you know, fucking a shanty shit like that.

1322
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Like there's there's just trappings of that that are fun for me that makes this movie kind of like I've always kind of been curious about it because it came out at a time when I was in high school so it was on my radar but never saw it.

1323
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Now that I have seen it, where it wouldn't really be at the type of movie that I would want to throw on naturally as a, as a grown man now but I thought it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be but also it was extremely frustrating that it didn't go one way or the other in terms of full

1324
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full wacky crazy nonsense sort of stuff in terms of either really trying to go for him and make it dark humor in violent and in that way or more heartfelt and more dramatic even in that sense and instead it kind of just made it

1325
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:43,240
more like a good movie. Yeah, I can see why it could be a good sleepover movie or a good movie to just throw on for like a party or something that you're having on in the background because it really just takes the premise and then just does the premise very straight down the

1326
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line. I'm really concerned about anything deeper so much so that I really feel like it's just like laying out the hijinks that they have like one by one they just kind of do their thing they do the general herpes thing they whatever they do the boat they do the

1327
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estrogen thing and it's just about going through the motions that at that point it doesn't really have anything else to say like satirical like satirical wise or any sort of other commentary otherwise because it could get and I'm sure if they you know we'll see with the

1328
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film you can get very meta with it as well in terms of how much they were referencing other comedy movies or or a parody or anything like that but instead it really is subpar I could say lukewarm but I think it's subpar I think I would go kind of lower on this because I don't find myself wanting to go back to it for

1329
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anything memorable I'm gonna go 39 39 for for me not not my favorite but there's a couple times where I laughed really hard and I liked the music and I enjoyed watching it with Cara and if you are gonna watch I'd say watch it with a friend and

1330
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you know have a sleepover have a pizza party have some babies have something that else is going on besides just the movie and I think it'll it'll be a good time if you're giving your your full self to the movie I don't know if it's going to be that the best

1331
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the best experience I thank you guys so much for journeying on this podcast I was curious if you guys want to play a little movie game that I have cooked up here for the John Tucker fans of the world it'll take but a moment

1332
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I do want to just add one comment to my last or to my opinion was that my favorite parts of the movie were not did not involve John Tucker at all like my favorite parts were like when the girls were together and cooking up some stuff like that was like the best part of it

1333
01:43:53,240 --> 01:44:13,240
something just happened to my can you guys hear me and see me that was my favorite part was just like the girl camaraderie that Maddie was saying was my favorite part of the whole movie and yeah I think it's a fun like buddy comedy or not comedy but just like a fun buddy movie

1334
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nothing yeah that's a yeah it's I mean even as a title I like how straightforward it is yeah I kind of I kind of like that but I do they I kind of wish they would have said it in the movie to that I don't know maybe not it could be like they did say it did they say die

1335
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yeah I then proceeded to come up with ways that they're not going to kill him right and dateable just make him undateable is undateable undateable

1336
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:56,240
John Tucker must be undateable is the real movie maybe that's the thing for the sequel he'll be undad

1337
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take away so this movie is the John Tucker must die Ranker game I take different lists that are on this website Ranker and all of these lists have John Tucker must die in them somewhere in the ranking somewhere in the list

1338
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is our movie here so I'm going to give you the category the list that I have here and it is up to you to guess what number this movie is on the list and the person who is closest to the number gets the point and then it's going to be first to I think we go to three here

1339
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so let's see what happens we're starting with the first category here and this is going to go to you Maddie is this list and John Tucker must die is on this list where is John Tucker must die on this list of funniest movies about high school out of 110 movies where does John Tucker must die rank funniest movies about high school

1340
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number one being the funniest I thought you're going to tell me what number one is I well maybe it's this one okay okay no oh that's true I'll tell you at the end of this I can I can find out and we can I can tell you at the end of this I'm I say this is

1341
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110 yeah sorry yeah this is a big one 3333 alright Cara to you out of 110 high school movies where does this one rank

1342
01:46:52,240 --> 01:47:18,240
5858 and to you Brandon 7575 alright John Tucker must die is the 41st funniest movie so Maddie you did 33 that makes you the closest and you get our first point

1343
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:26,240
nice I almost said 44 damn it wow that would have been right almost right on the money

1344
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:35,240
anyone want to take a guess what the funniest movie is quick guess high school super bad

1345
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:49,240
oh that's a good guess that is a really good guess oh that's number three this could be a family feud type situation to you but funniest movie about high school

1346
01:47:49,240 --> 01:48:08,240
no no it is breakfast club funniest funniest yeah that's what they get that's what the people voted on classic maybe people yeah yeah yeah

1347
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:29,240
funny super bad yeah yeah that's our generation funny yeah yeah yeah that's the thing alright next to you Cara in this category of 47 movies where does John Tucker must die rank on best movies to watch when getting over a breakup

1348
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:49,240
oh 47 movies probably I'm gonna say for for alright to you Maddie I'm going 10 number 10

1349
01:48:49,240 --> 01:49:03,240
alright Brandon 15 number 15 why don't we all agree that it's probably it's pretty high up there yeah it's such a big part of the movie there's so much like it's like yeah four different fresh it

1350
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is number nine Maddie you are on the got it clearly you played this game before I don't know who told you but you are in the lead with two points for this next category this one's going to Brandon out of 21 movies where does John Tucker must die rank on 21 movies with volleyball scenes that we really did

1351
01:49:32,240 --> 01:50:01,240
oh well number 12 how many to you Maddie 21 movies with volleyball scenes that we really dig we really dig 7 7 and Cara 10 10 damn Maddie it is number 6

1352
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:21,240
she just scored the hat trick three in a row to zero I have other questions here but I don't know it would take it so it was the first one to three so we're kind of we're kind of done here unless you guys want to play in tickets to

1353
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John Tucker must die to you guys have to take me when it comes out if it's in movie theaters you guys could just have me over we'll just have a pizza party party yeah well that was a blast I think if anything this is a this is a movie that was fun to yeah watch together and always fun to decide

1354
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always fun to discuss I think the episodes that you two are on are definitely some of our best and if you guys have enjoyed yourselves here please listen to that Phantom of the Opera

1355
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:12,240
episode because that one is a is a true blast as well I can't wait to have you guys on again so keep your eyes out for any other polarizing movies that that you're into but

1356
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in the meantime stay tuned for more Phantom news from Maddie more Phantom news from Maddie I will keep you guys updated is there anything else you want to share Maddie before we head off here

1357
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no about the movie or anything in general any other anything you would recommend pop culture wise music movies anything else that TV I will say that this movie hit great because I have rewatched all these like the H1 and MTV reality shows from back

1358
01:51:43,240 --> 01:52:04,240
today and this movie rings true because flat butts were so in the low right low rise jeans and no but and I'm so glad that we're past that as a society you can't wear a lot of this way jeans like that you have a butt that's my take away that's my take away so my problem with the movie flat butts

1359
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yeah I'm glad I'm glad we because we never brought it up I was thinking I thought that it I'm just so it's just it's a look you don't see anymore and it's good for good reason exactly exactly thank God for the high waisted

1360
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anything else for you car that you think is get to share thank you so much for joining us as well.

1361
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I'm about this. Anything else or any other things that you'd recommend to people that you've been watching or listening to.

1362
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:36,240
Well thank you again.

1363
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And looking forward to next time.

1364
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:44,240
Brandini same question.

1365
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:59,240
Um, right review us is what I would say. Great review subscribe on Apple podcasts. Hope you have a wonderful time at Kirk cellar brandini and I'm looking forward to that concert report.

1366
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And you get back and from all of us here at polarized pod we we truly appreciate you stopping by for this john Tucker must die very special episode and we'll see you next time for walk hard.

1367
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Wait no, we already did that one. Right now we are doing walk hard next next week.

1368
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Damn it. We're doing the double next week. We've already done walk hard. I'm so sorry about my release dates. I'm not sure it's been such a long episode. I forgot from the beginning.

1369
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We are doing the double next week. It is starring Jesse Eisenberg. It is rated certified fresh by the critics 83%. It is a poopy doopie snoopy 15% from the audience came out 2013 directed by Richard I.

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Oh, hey, yeah, stars Jesse Eisenberg, me was a cow. Ska Wallace Sean.

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And we hope you join us for that. We love you all and we'll see you next time.

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Bye.