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Welcome to the podcast everybody.

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Welcome back.

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Anyone who's returning welcome.

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First timers any big Road House fans out there.

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That's the movie we're talking about this week because it is a polarizing movie and we

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talk about polarizing movies.

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According to round tomatoes the movies that audiences and critics disagree on most.

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This one has a critic score of 41% a stinky stinky but a much better audience score of

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67 is much better than that.

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You'd see this is a beloved audience favorite.

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A big big movie a big cult classic if you will.

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So much so that they're bringing it back baby.

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At this moment you can pull up a Gyllenhaal McGregor.

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Feach that I've never seen but it's out there.

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They remade it.

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So we thought it'd be fun to dig up the old one 1989.

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The genre according to round tomatoes is an action mystery and thriller.

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Let's hear that premise one more time.

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The double deuce is the meanest light for anyone who hasn't seen the movie and is just

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jumping in here.

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Or wants to know the story again.

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The double deuce is the meanest loudest and rowdy is bar south of the Mason Dixon line

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and Dalton Patrick Swayze has been hired to clean it up.

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He might not look like much but the PhD educated bouncer proves he's more than capable.

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Busting the heads of troublemakers and turning the round roadhouse into a jumping hotspot.

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But Dalton's romance with the gorgeous Dr. Clay Kelly Lynch put some on the bad side

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of cutthroat local big shot Brad Wesley Bencazara.

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What a movie.

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What a program we have set you up here today on the Polarize pod.

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Let me bring in my my best bud if you will my partner in crime my shotgun on this road

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into polarizing movies one brandini stoplays.

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Hey is the Sam Elliott to my Patrick Swayze or vice versa.

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However you want to put it.

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We go hand in hand Jill and hall to my McGregor.

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What's going on me.

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Oh hey buddy.

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I would be remiss to not start the episode off with that.

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Hey buddy excited today about this movie my God.

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What a movie.

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What a movie.

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I'd say they don't make them like this anymore but they just did again.

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They just made the same one again.

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Well I mean it's yet to be seen what that movie is about and how it looks and all the

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other stuff.

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They're trying to make it if they tried.

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You know it's this is the world we're living in you know no IP is safe no IP safe from

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a studio resurrecting Ed and you know giving it its second life or more often than not

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I feel like burying it into the ground.

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Yeah we're not going to talk about it much because we haven't seen it but I assume the

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McGregor is the Sam Elliott part is the parallel.

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I feel like they were talking about Ron to Rousey for for a minute.

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Absolutely.

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A while ago too that's when it was big time for somebody like me that knows nothing of

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the world of fighting but people in this movie know the world of bouncers which I think

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is fascinating.

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They know that oh you're tall.

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No I thought you have a reputation.

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I thought you'd be bigger.

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Yeah I guess if you worked in a bar in America you knew that there were coolers out there

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and you know just roaming around keeping bars safe.

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Yeah there's Dolan but I'm more of a Wade Garrett guy myself.

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Oh shit.

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How could you not?

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How could you not?

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How could you not?

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Sam Elliott.

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But I mean I just I can't go any further.

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There's a man here who has a reputation on this podcast at least for one excellent Pirates

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episode that we did in the past and he's decided to join us again.

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It's been much too long Evan.

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Evan Moore is here and I want him to join us again in the Polarize Kingdom for a discussion

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of Roadhouse.

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Join us in the Roadhouse.

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How's it going?

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Thank you guys.

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Thank you.

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Thanks for having me on again.

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Of course.

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I felt bad that the one time that we've had you on this pod it was for a movie.

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I don't remember our scores exactly but I don't think that they were great and it's

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because that movie wasn't very good and so when this came up I was like Evan hasn't been

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on in a while and I feel a sense of obligation that we should probably give him a good movie.

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You know let's try that out and see what that's different.

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At least and to know that this is your first viewing how was the first one.

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Let's not jump to any conclusions Brandon about how I felt about the movie.

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But it was at least a very different movie and a fun experience nonetheless.

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I say I was trying to say it was a great time.

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It was different.

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But man it's the first time seeing this.

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What did you know before going in?

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Like what were the tangential sort of things?

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So honestly this movie missed me.

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I was born one year after it came out and it was never on.

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It was never on in my existence.

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It may have been a movie that was playing.

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You know what this movie is?

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It's a movie that would be playing on TV that my dad would just be watching while he's

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just wordlessly eating a hand sandwich.

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You know and I walk in and you know I look at the TV and I'm like oh that's not for me.

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And then I leave.

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That's a Kelly Lynch right there.

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You know Kelly Lynch?

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Yeah I know Kelly Lynch.

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That's around the world.

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Seeing that on TV we're going.

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As dads do you don't want to get too excited but you can tell there's some excitement there.

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I'm one sexy lady on the screen.

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And then mom would be right there and be like hey you know who that is?

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It's Patrick fucking Sweezy.

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Another sexy person.

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He's so sensual.

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I mean just I don't know like that's bringing him up at least at this point too.

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He's such a sensual man at this point in time.

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He's in so many sensual scenes in movies I feel like.

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Because he does it so well.

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I think he handles the romance in this movie amazing.

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Like he I was thinking about it too because of his stature which is commented multiple

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times in this movie.

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I feel like the fact that he is not this like hulking imposing person lends itself innately

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to this more sensitive person which is nice.

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He's like it's the 80s macho version of like a soft boy.

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That is how they play it.

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Yeah that's how he's played is he's got a PhD from NYU in philosophy.

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Does Tai Chi.

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Yeah that he had that one shirt that was like almost like some like not a maybe a kimono

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or like a.

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Yeah like something you would wear in like karate or taekwondo or something.

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Just tucked into his jeans.

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Hell of a look.

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I was he's got some looks man.

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He's got some love.

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He's got some great looks.

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He's brooding the entire movie.

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He's strong and silent for sure.

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At least in the very beginning.

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Yeah I mean just observe this kingdom at this point he was already a huge star.

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You know he's part of that collection of actors coming out of the outsiders wherever

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you know everybody in that was paying attention to all of the guys that were in that.

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A majority of them went on to have insane careers and yeah I think Patrick Sleazy definitely

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is one of those.

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What else had he done.

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Had Don he was done red dawn already.

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Yeah he's done good yet.

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Yeah nobody had done dirty dancing already.

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Oh speaking of sensual.

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Oh man that iconic performance and yeah just solidifies them in a leading man role like

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we're talking about that has this innate sensuality this is somewhat of I don't know

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how to describe it.

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There's an approachableness he's not this again this you know kind of upfront badass.

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He has a little bit more of that stoicism.

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There's a shell to crack for sure but you want to crack that shell.

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And it's only in the context of his job you know because if you take him outside of work

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like when he's at the doctor's office or when he's renting that apartment it's like

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oh what an affable gentleman this guy is.

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He's not tough at all.

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He's like such a nice guy.

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Around people he trusts or yeah he's just an everyman and down to salt of the earth

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sort of dude and I don't know about like those heroes can play really well sometimes they

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are tropey and can be very like stereotypical kind of just like it doesn't come across

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real or it's too ham-fisted of like them propping this guy up to be a certain way.

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The way like his performance like saves so much in this movie and it prevents that from

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being played out and not interesting to watch him performing within that guise of that trope

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is enough to like flavor it up and style it up because he's such an interesting guy to

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look at.

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Even when he's not saying anything like everything building up to what he's actually gonna say

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is like makes what he's actually gonna say just so much more meaningful.

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There's times when he's like you approach someone who's fucking around or something and he's

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about to kick him out and he's just like what is he gonna say?

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He's like I don't know what he fires the guy who's fucking in the closet or whatever just

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like that smug kind of just like you're finished or whatever he says I'm on my break.

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Don't come back or don't finish it.

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Stay on it.

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Stay on it.

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I fuck that up.

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Stay on it.

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I fuck that up.

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But when he enters.

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He's just perfect.

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The movie to start getting into it also just sets him up so well.

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I made a note of it like we're seven minutes into this movie and it has just established

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so much about his character.

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You know just the first bar that he's at how he handles it and then the process of him

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getting to Jasper there's just so much character moments of him buying things you know just

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interacting with other people that establish the type of dude that he is and I think it's

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just so economical that you get you understand so much about Patrick's ways he in such a

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brief amount of time and yeah it blew me away that that was the case.

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doing what it does really well which is like this is like classic Hollywood screenwriting

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where it's like they're not breaking any rules with this they're just giving it to you straight

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up and it's and it works very well.

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Absolutely the fact that it establishes what the plot of the movie is in the first 10 minutes

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yeah I mean we all I mean especially given how many movies don't do that I'm like applauding

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this movie I'm like wow I have a really good sense of who he is what's gonna happen let's

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You think it's like a silly premise from the from the poster maybe what you think the movie

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is gonna be about is a bouncer cooler and it's like how serious could it really be it

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sets up those stakes and it sets establishes his stature within this world immediately

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and then and then moves him out of a place of maybe not necessarily comfort but he is

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a fish out of water as well so you get a you get a flavor of who he is and then you put

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him in this new situation which yes maybe kind of tropey to you but it's played really

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well.

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Yeah I think as a person who was required to watch this movie like you know for this podcast

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and it's like if I if I had watched those first few minutes just completely just shopping

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around for something to watch I would probably just click away and be like okay this is two

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dated it is just to the the whole feeling of this is just too old I'm not gonna be able

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to get into it but I think because it does it leans so hard on that formula writing it

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like gives you a character and a plot and a premise they're like well if I have to keep

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watching this at least I know what they're doing at least I can actually follow it and

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it's not nonsense you know like it definitely like has a has a very 80s feel and it's like

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yeah this is gonna be Roadhouse of Patrick Swayze and it's gonna be like you know what

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you're getting the first opening sequence you're like it is Roadhouse like it's exactly

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what you think it is but yeah it gives you enough to anchor on to as a viewer to where

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you're like okay we're going on this ride and at least I have a character at least I

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have a premise and a plot and it's often running it's not wasting your time absolutely much

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appreciated for that and it's it's it shouldn't work it shouldn't work as well as it does

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how it how it how it works you know absolutely because again it's just you can always come

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back to like this is a pretty silly yeah movie at its core but again it just the movie does

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so well to establish the competency of Patrick Swayze his notoriety and same so quickly and

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then goes right into him doing stuff to like so methodically you know and it's it's almost

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like you know the best parts of what is it the killer the yeah the the recent movie with

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the Fauspender that's vendor where that movie is so enjoyable or just most I would argue

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that most movies when you just watch a very competent person doing something there is

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something innately like you know what I could sit here and watch this you just made me think

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of Danny Ocean really I don't know he's kind of a he's a scoundrel a little bit or he's

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actually he's in a world of scoundrels but he's like this kind of suave debonair kind

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of like smug dude that's able to work through it and still be upstanding in this way and

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something about that of being in a seedy situation but still coming out on top of being respectable

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and crafty and skillful and but his purpose in this one is really just almost like yeah

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the mix of like drill sergeant mix of like Gordon Ramsay like I feel like Gordon Ramsay

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should be fucking McGregor's role in in a roadhouse especially if it's the Sam Elliott

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oh man that would who needs a fighter tell me yeah please tell me Jillian Hall is going

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to be the Dalton I feel like that's a better casting for the reason that Swayze is able

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to pull this off where it's like he's a little more believable as somebody who's not just

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a fighter you know like I think Jillian Hall's got the range I could see it as a role you

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can brew you can bring a fighter like it's that's going to be a dog shit movie I can

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just call it right out of the gate but if it's Jillian Hall I have a hard time disliking

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anything he's in because I think he's good at like the range the depth I definitely elevate

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anything he is in as well something that I may not overall love like he makes it better

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for sure see I love Jillian Hall as well and agree with you guys but the thing just again

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having not seen the new one just understanding how they're promoting it is fundamentally

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it seems like they don't understand the core of this movie where if you're building the

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new one as it's a fighting movie you miss like the point of this fucking movie like

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from the get go it's telling you about like you get great lines about like nobody in a

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fight wins a lot of this pacifist idea all it doesn't hurt is that what it is pain doesn't

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hurt that's my favorite yeah when he says it but it does well I think it's I think it's

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really funny because like on the subject of like is this movie does this movie is it a

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fighting movie is it an action movie does it advocate for pacifism is it actually hurt

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is it actually conveying some alternative form of masculinity where you're supposed to

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be a non fighter and that's the strongest thing you can be I don't know if it actually

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gets there it wants that but it also needs to couch that in lots of roundhouse kicks

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and you know like lots of tough machismo like it kind of because it's 1989 they like they

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can't they can't get you to take that medicine without literally wrapping it in just so much

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macho bullshit that like it's it really does get lost I think in terms of like at the end

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of the day how many people get punched in this movie like directed by a man named rowdy

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Harrington I know nothing of this man but his name is rowdy Harrington so I think if

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the takeaway so it's so so many decades later if the takeaway was like hey remember that

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fighting movie from the 80s let's rev that back up I don't think that's crazy off base

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I think it's like it is missing something but I don't know how much that actually mattered

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really to what round to a roadhouse actually is it's a fantastic B movie and I think I

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don't know it's it's hard to be knowledgeable of it being a B movie going into it and so

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maintaining camp and sincerity though like writing the line between those two those two

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concepts in a and especially in the late 80s movie like it is able to do that but it's

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hard to find a way to do that without being meta in movies that come out in 2024 I feel

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like and yeah it's it's hard to you know it's I think it's good that we're referencing

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this movie and though we haven't seen it yet but it it's it's kind of amazing just to be

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able to ride those lines in this movie and I think the sincerity comes with the performance

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and this being about a town like this is this is about like a town you know and it incidentally

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I think the fighting scenes are shot really well in this movie and speaking of how like

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movies are shot now and especially fight scenes and how many fucking cuts there are where

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you can't even you lose sight of what's even happening in your fast and furious as well

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which are movies I like but the hand to hand combat is really easy to follow and you get

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the sense that Swayze is doing a fair amount of it I'm sure he has stunt doubles and other

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stuff but no a lot of that okay which was actually ended up being an issue is that you can't

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mistake the hate ended up being an issue because Swayze hurt himself so he was offered he was

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offered a role I can't remember which big budget action movie it was but he had to turn

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it down which is why he ended up doing ghost because he was like well I can do this and

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that was like what got him there because he hurt himself during this and you know it's

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on record that they brought in a bunch of like black belts to train them and so many of the

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people in this movie are actually doing the fighting which yeah I think obviously helps

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right I just want to see Keith David throw a punch goddamn he just had him sit in the

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back like I want to see him get in on that some of the shit that was so crazy to me how

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little of a part keep David I know I'm like wait what is that is that who I think it is

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because he just shows up out of nowhere because the thing that I noticed with this movie or

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this viewing is how the double deuce like evolves over the course I love that and I love how

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there's not a big mop cleaning montage 80s cleaning right hage or like alright guys we

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got to clean it up and everyone's got to wear uniforms and it's like you just see that stuff

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progress just in the background like at one point there's an exterior and it's like oh

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they completed the new signage I like that you know but you have to notice it you know

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it doesn't like shot of the new sign and they're like cutting a ribbon and it's like none of

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that it's just like it's a detail but I want to go back real quick just to like the the

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practical effects of it all and like the physical fight scenes and like the choreography of

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it all and it's like I definitely that would definitely was not lost on me as like I you

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know you just see so little of that stuff now and it's so fun to see all of the like

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you know they filmed it in wides they filmed they didn't cut that much it was like this

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is obviously it's not real but like they're committing to a choreography and a whole fight

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scene and I don't know that there's an artistry to that that I think is really cool if it's

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like oh wow you just don't see that anymore I agree I'm so glad you brought the choreography

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you get to soak in it and a bit more when it stays in those winds and doesn't cut from

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like you'll see someone take a hit fall down get back up and then do their hit all in the

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same shot and that like yeah means so much when it's when you can see yeah Patrick Swayze

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get back up and rearrange and go for the next segment of action before you cut again and

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that one one of my favorite stunts I'm it had to have been him but when you see one

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of the explosions occur or I think it might just be a fire that turns into explosion they

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turn they light up the farmer's house and he notices and those big windows one of them

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is open probably because they he had a little after late night lovemaking session had a

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cigarette on top of the roof but after that he does a jump he goes like and then he does

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a flip onto the haystack and runs towards the flaming house I'm like dude that was like

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in a stunt spectacular that was amazing there's there was like there was a couple of flips

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in this and it's like you I mean you just don't see flips you know like who I love it

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I love the like the corny like the stage craftiness of that of like you would see that on like

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a theater fight scene you know like people doing flips but like it's so fun to see it

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in a movie good bar brawls man you need good fucking bar bar brawling in this movie right

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absolutely if you didn't get that right then what are we doing here yeah yeah I think about

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the last sorry I think about the last action movie that I saw like genre action movie and

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like recent movies was like gray man I don't know if you guys have seen that but like I

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didn't try it I tried it's like it's literally just like such a slog where like the fight

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scenes feel so synthetic that the whole thing is just like who fucking cares like who cares

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it's so hard to watch they don't and it's not like the fight scenes in roadhouse or

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like poetry or anything but there's at least something to watch you know if you're gonna

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be indulgent about violence then at least have it be a net gain to the film I guess

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in terms of entertainment value like it's so boring to see like modern action sequences

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that are so high octane and it's like but what what who cares why it's CGI who cares

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it's like it doesn't matter you know that's the big part I mean the CG is I not I feel

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like I harp on that a lot on this on this podcast here and there but it's like you're

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almost it's the scores Scorsese thing where it's like you're on a roller coaster you

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know you just feel so safe on this ride of like they're just going through the motions

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and everything is also preordained and so much done in post that nothing else feels

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messy and there's moments in this movie you can feel like I don't know they probably got

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in a couple takes and they had to move on and it just has a certain certain messiness

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to it and I like how everyone just gets bloodier and sweatier and dirtier as the fight goes

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on to that final duel I know we're jumping around maybe we should we should work through

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it a little bit but just how how dirty and fucked up people people kid is something

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that is a little a little bit missed you know and you watch movies like diehard and everything

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you want to see see your every man kind of go through it and have the attitude still

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maintain and his attitude is just always on on top of it and that's like James Bond for

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me I mean that's that's the best.

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Oh yeah absolutely so the first bar scene or bar brawl him getting to the double do's

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lady stabs some cards that's not okay for some reason I'm not sure why or the stage

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itself I would you know what a what a set of that is a set of solely designed for people

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to throw bottles.

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Whoa, remind me of blues brothers.

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I watched Blues Brothers recently and they had that same thing.

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It's like you just gotta throw a bottle every now and then people throw enough bottles that

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you got to set up protection.

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The venue just admitting it's like well you can't stop that behavior I mean that's just

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not gonna stop you know so yeah we might as well just plan for just people throwing bottles

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and then insult injury at a blind musician.

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I know right damn everybody like whoa but that's all to say how crazy this bar is right

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it sets up how insane this bar is a bar that's the kind of place they sweep the eyeballs

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up after closing.

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Thank you yeah that and Dalton coming in and just it's a lot of shots of people being like

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hey do you know who that is hey do you know who that is it just does so well to build

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up the mystique and like his presence in there black coffee black coffee just you know stands

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at the bar watches everything go down and there's just so much goofy as shit going on

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in this bar.

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That first action scene I was taking look at my notes yeah like he I love that move it

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lets you know that he uses his mind as well as his muscle when he's like let's take it

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outside fella like I will do a one on one and then he does and then he just goes back

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inside and leaves him outside it's like oh he's a genius oh he's a philosophy major I

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see how it is.

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Just a real Gandhi in the bar.

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He doesn't fight he asks why should I.

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Yeah why.

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Absolutely why.

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But yeah that I mean that establishes a great establishment of character of using his his

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mind as well yeah sweep sweep up the eyeballs he doesn't fly it's too dangerous but he still

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has a dangerous he has the most dangerous job he has he's like this enigma you know

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he's like he has these contradictions and then he gets his like old old the old beater

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of a car which I think is that's a funny through line of the movie.

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When we talk about how he has like three car changes in the first scene you know he's like

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he's like first I gotta go get my car out of the shop and then he like but he was already

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driving a car in the very beginning and then he gets a different car and then like as soon

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as he gets to town he's like you can keep this one and then he goes and buys a car like

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the first thing he does.

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I didn't know that guy's the car so it's he like gives to the guy like he gives him

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the keys like you didn't even see what that car looks like I feel like you're like very

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briefly because I was confused I was like you just gave him the Mercedes and no he took

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a different car took the Mercedes and then just did it and then have the car that he

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knew was going to get fucked with.

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Yeah yeah but that was a big portion of the first act.

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Yeah I was like damn this is like America in the 80s was like man cars cars cars cars

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cars.

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Going through him like yeah I don't know.

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And then he pulls up and he's like what's wrong with Detroit cars or something and he's

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like oh dude this guy's probably got a Detroit car he's probably got like seven cars like

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from what we've seen of him so far.

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Definitely he seems like he's been through this before and when he goes to the auto shop

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and everything makes nice with the owner there and finds out the CD undertakings of was it

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Ben Wesley or whatever.

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Ben Wesley.

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It seems like he's just he's like I'll only be here for a short while like I've been

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through this before I got to clean up a clean up a bar and move on it's me Gordon Ramsay

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or whatever the bar rescue guy is.

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John Tapper.

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Yeah thank you.

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I don't think that's his first interaction with him the first interaction is that song

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playing and it's like and he's just driving like a lot of dude and he's just going through

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the lines.

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What a strong choice to show that this guy is a maniac.

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Yeah true maniac.

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You don't even see him do drugs or alcohol or anything.

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I mean you know that he's just a fucking weirdo.

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He just yeah I mean he's obsessed with having pool parties.

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He's a big pool party guy.

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It's a thing.

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He loves parties.

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He loves voyeurism you know like he spends a lot of time keeping up with the Jones's

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IE Tai Chi Swayzey and he drives around his little three wheeler.

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He looks so stupid on that little three wheeler thing.

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It was like a tricycle and he just watches them and you see the close up and then you

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when you see them far away he's like all scrunched up.

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He's like wearing some insane stuff in this movie.

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He is a big ass God guy loves himself and ask God puts the ass and ask God.

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He's got some fedoras.

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He's got some jungle jackets because later that he's a big time hunter guy you know and

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then which sets us up for that great line of like excellent shot but he's an excellent

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shot for you know big game hunter.

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He can't seem to put a fucking bullet in anything no no somebody else doesn't for me just shows

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up.

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He's that kind of guy.

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He just rides in the Jeep and you want us to shoot that he's like yeah yeah he's the

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Eric Trump of hunting Donald Trump Jr. whatever the fuck Donald Trump Jr.

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Yeah that's yeah the line where he's like yeah I see you found my trophy room the only thing

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missing is your ass.

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It is a huge trophy room every wall is like it is constructed of photos that are like

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so close to each other and the whole wall is covered with them and there's like multiple

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walls and I just like the set directorator must have like not enough pictures I need

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more pictures this guy has hunted all these animals I need a picture of every animal here

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you think he just didn't take a picture of this one.

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He took a picture of four monkeys just for the fucking joke of it all.

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These stuff monkeys just for the joke.

448
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,080
That's morose that is groom when you think of when I saw that I was like just for the

449
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,080
joke.

450
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,080
When you kill four monkeys.

451
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,120
Yeah I'm gonna put them together in little poses yeah fuck.

452
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,320
Taxidermy's weird.

453
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,320
Taxidermy's weird.

454
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:53,840
I mean things die of natural causes I guess if that's your way of wanting to maintain

455
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,120
it hunting is a whole different thing but still taxidermy regardless that field is weird

456
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,840
for monkeys of similar age just dying of natural causes.

457
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,840
I don't know.

458
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,840
I didn't look that old.

459
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,840
Yeah.

460
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,840
No this is sustainable hunting Evan.

461
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,840
Yeah.

462
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,840
Yeah.

463
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:12,840
Yeah.

464
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:13,840
Yeah.

465
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:14,840
Yeah.

466
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,840
Yeah.

467
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,840
Yeah.

468
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:17,840
Yeah.

469
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,840
Yeah.

470
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,680
So you I mean but his introduction is like gradual I love that.

471
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,600
It makes it more meaningful.

472
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,840
It makes him his presence more meaningful makes Sam Elliott's presence more meaningful

473
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:36,000
how sparing they are of them and then also yeah and just like the dialogue of Patrick

474
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,840
Swayze is minimal.

475
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,280
So there's I don't know the derives importance from things that otherwise wouldn't be I don't

476
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,320
know they're they're this movie wouldn't have as much weight if they didn't they just give

477
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,320
that weight to it and that's the earnest sincere sincere part of it and then they just fill

478
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:59,160
it with fucking goofy ass action one liners and this fucking poedong town that's just

479
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,560
being run run over by this guy who's trying to turn it into what like Reno or some shit

480
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,560
fucking Las Vegas.

481
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:05,560
I don't even know.

482
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:11,640
I think that's the main thing I would like criticize about the writing.

483
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:17,120
I mean I think the script is mostly pretty silly but and it's either camp or dog shit.

484
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,120
I'm not sure.

485
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,560
I don't think it was intentionally camp.

486
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,080
I think it was probably just bad but if we look back on it now it's funny.

487
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,760
So it's like I know Day Laurentius movies that was at the beginning.

488
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,760
Maybe it's a different movie I watched.

489
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,760
Yeah.

490
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,760
I don't know.

491
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,640
But I think that's one of the main things the main bones to pick with the movie is like

492
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,680
the core conflict of like this villain.

493
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:48,680
I don't he doesn't have a good villains have a clear philosophy and there's like a reason

494
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,720
why they do what they do right like if you write a really good villain it's like oh I

495
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:59,000
understand why he's going at it like this he's just wrong or injured in some way and

496
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,400
he's he's acting out this guy.

497
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:08,760
I think that there's maybe some weird like I don't know side of the times might be a

498
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,680
way to look at it of kind of like what were people afraid of or didn't like back then

499
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,200
that they wanted to paint a villain as and it's like well so he's he's rich.

500
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:25,840
He's sort of vaguely like weird or like he's sort of like a playboy type but he's like

501
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,080
he's not salt of the earth that's for sure.

502
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,080
Right.

503
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:34,560
He's like a sort of like other you know and he's kind of odd in some way.

504
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,000
That's why it confused me that drug drugs were never an element of it.

505
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,000
Yeah.

506
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,560
There was never that's usually a part of it that is makes him reasonable to cast this

507
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,560
light on it.

508
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,080
But that's such a good point of like why is he going so hard like why is this so important

509
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:55,840
to him why is he going so hard into this and he's not like a mobster in a conventional

510
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,440
sense of like he doesn't seem to want power.

511
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,960
He seems like he's already rich.

512
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,880
He's just kind of fucking around almost like it's hard to explain why he why is he such

513
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:05,880
a bully.

514
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,880
You know that's fair.

515
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:13,240
So I mean the reason that the movie gives us is that he was a Korean war veteran that

516
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:22,280
like came to this town and essentially saw that there's so much potential there to make

517
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,760
money off of making this town more profitable and bigger.

518
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,760
And yeah.

519
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,400
So he's already done that.

520
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:37,680
So to your point it is kind of weird because he's gotten everything he wants.

521
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:43,480
And so what is you know what is his end goal not really anything because he's just more

522
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,960
or less just trying to hold on to power.

523
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,800
I mean because the main conflict between him and Patrick Swayze is Patrick Swayze is not

524
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:57,640
going to put up with the type of power that he is eliciting on this this town by you know

525
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:04,240
strong arming people trading people like shit doing whatever he wants and whatnot.

526
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,800
I just I thought it was funny you know it.

527
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:13,760
He got his yeah the conversation he has directly with Patrick Swayze about you know what he's

528
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,200
done for this town ends with him saying like they're going to have a JC Penney's here because

529
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,200
of me.

530
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:26,480
And you're like oh man that's the that's the that's the stamp that you've made it as a

531
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,920
town if you've got a JC Penney.

532
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,200
Yeah I guess it's like the excess wealth like the yuppie ism sort of shit of just like taking

533
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,160
that to like the extreme.

534
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:43,480
And in this is 1989 like maybe maybe it's starting to turn a little bit of of that excess and

535
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:50,600
that becoming more of a reason to create a villain out of and his house is still so 80s

536
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:57,080
it like looks like scarface just not in Miami just like whatever hunter scarface because

537
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,800
you walk in welcome to the foyer would you like to play on this pool table or would

538
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:10,920
you like to do some yoga or some Arabics a Robics will you turn that shit down.

539
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,520
It's got no soul.

540
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,520
Oh yeah it's got no soul.

541
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,720
Yeah he's he's a music of the time.

542
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:22,160
So yeah there's there's like some weird moments like that where I'm kind of like maybe I mean

543
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,640
I literally don't know what this is about but like maybe this is about some you know

544
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,640
social cultural moment of like this is like you know like he hates pop music don't you

545
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,240
love pop music like see he's a bad guy.

546
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:37,240
There's like some.

547
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,640
Suesy doesn't like pop music as well.

548
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:45,760
Yes there's that whole moment before they sleep together where he just just perfect

549
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,200
Patrick's ways where he's so like no not yes.

550
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,320
It's like rock and roll like they would have heard at the bar and then they switch over

551
00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:01,520
to like it's like 50s music it's sort of Santo and Johnny do up kind of like.

552
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:08,800
Yeah absolutely like yeah I don't know it's R&B it's like something yeah yeah it's like

553
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:15,600
oldies you know and instead of like the rock and roll times of the day yeah it's it's like

554
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,600
much smoother than that and I don't know there's like so there's definitely in the creation

555
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,120
of his character and the creation of the villain a stark difference you're like you're supposed

556
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:32,800
to be Suesy and Suesy is he's a salt to the earth he's he's like quiet he's responsible

557
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:39,120
he like he's not greedy you know he's like this this will do fine I don't need luxury

558
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:48,520
I don't need anything but he likes cars you know he likes I don't know and then it's like

559
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,720
he's he's like sort of witty and strong right and that's like that's what they're presenting

560
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:58,080
is like this is who you ought to be but like if pushed you kick ass right like if pushed

561
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:04,920
at all you kick major ass you know like that's important to his character but the the the

562
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:10,920
the conflict between the protagonist and the antagonist is is pretty contrived because

563
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,760
when you they force them together and in the way that the antagonist the villain doesn't

564
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,800
have enough to work off of they know that as writers I feel like because they're trying

565
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:31,400
to force them together like yeah his his lady doctor doctor lady is her his ex that's unnecessary

566
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,680
and and bonkers that she would go for a guy like that I was she would never go for that

567
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:42,760
maniac and then on top of that yeah they're fucking neighbors like he's he clocks them

568
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,720
and knows where he is the whole time and is watching everything is so convenient and it

569
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:52,800
just pushes it's there to just try to incite more out of the villain because he sees them

570
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,840
fuck or whatever and then he's he's just sitting there like angrily stewing at him the whole

571
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:03,280
time and then knows exactly where to hit like he lives and into attack him which took long

572
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:10,080
enough because he kept hitting his car every single time but the brazen mustache twirling

573
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,960
villain it's perfectly well in this movie though too it's dumb yeah it's it's silly

574
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:22,440
like it's written pretty poorly and like and then just silly just silly but he's just

575
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,920
sitting there like might as well have a little white cat and and you know hatching his plans

576
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,960
and when those plans are finally enacted it escalates very quickly from a fighting movie

577
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:40,920
to terrorism yeah yeah absolutely no there's a lot of deaths that end up happening towards

578
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,760
the end of this which is pretty crazy yeah because you know that's where I can see kind

579
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:53,320
of the criticisms that like Evan's leveling on this movie where if the if at the heart

580
00:42:53,320 --> 00:43:00,400
of this it's supposed to be you know trying to promote this way of looking at conflict

581
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:10,640
way of dealing with life in a place of compassion more of like a hippie dippy kind of way but

582
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:17,600
then he ends up just murdering the people by the end of it and you're like well so where

583
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:24,040
was the be nice when you are dragging this guy's body and obsessively killing him because

584
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:29,880
at first I was like oh maybe you know he Jimmy the like right hand man maybe survives but

585
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,480
he picks him up and just drops him in the river face out like well now that guy's definitely

586
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:42,240
fucking dead oh you can't rip someone's throat out and expect him to survive yeah that's that's

587
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:48,760
been done the doctor went to check and checked his vitals and was like uh oh he's he's minus

588
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:54,200
a throat I guess in the next like that's how you're treating the dead body that is your

589
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,840
like I'm gonna he sent it across the river to him that was the hardest move because he

590
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,640
was like come at me motherfucker like here's your boy and he sent him across the river

591
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:10,240
for him to just fuck around and find out like that shit and then like he has this rule it

592
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:14,240
seems like and then I like how that dark side comes out a bit too where it's like someone's

593
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:20,280
pulls a gun on him that's where you see he's red and he starts ripping fucking throats

594
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:27,280
and that's what happened in wherever he came from before where he was of course seducing

595
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:35,480
a lady per use he's a he's a swazy seducing lady kind of course and didn't know that she

596
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:40,320
was married and I love how Sam Elyt is liver is this exposition because it's he just yeah

597
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,480
he gives it so much weight and importance and then he fucking ripped him's throat out

598
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:53,920
because he pulled a gun on him you do not pull a gun on on the swaysmeister or you know

599
00:44:53,920 --> 00:45:00,320
he might just throw a polar bear on you too or my very my very favorite inconsistency

600
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,720
of this movie where he's like you be nice you do this you be nice and then you still

601
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:12,760
be nice unless a guy walks in with a shoe blade in which case take you make the first

602
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:19,960
move kill that man immediately because he has a blade on his shoe that was like the I was

603
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:25,240
like okay what is Patrick Swayze's character again like I thought he had some bone of pacifism

604
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:30,600
in this but he's like literally that guy has a blade on his shoe kill him like I love I

605
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:40,600
love that too where in the camera goes right into the blade and it goes and then yeah honestly

606
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,320
one of my favorite moments of the entire movie I was like I cannot believe they did that like

607
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:51,960
that might as well have been like a crash zoom like yeah and I was like okay this is cartoon

608
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:58,680
level cheesy see someone in the background with a light just and then to follow that the

609
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:06,600
altercation with that guy that guy's first fucking move is to kick him yeah that's okay

610
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:16,400
come on if your first move is to kick somebody bold bold choice breaks his foot and kicks

611
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:23,880
him in the balls and drags him outside and continues to pummel pummel him until Dr. Lady

612
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:30,720
shows up in a picnic basket of a dress and then he immediately seduces her right after

613
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:37,920
kicking a bunch of ass I was like that was that was kind of a weird transition where

614
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,040
I was like oh she's gonna be fucking horrified by this yeah she's walking into see like who

615
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:48,840
this monster he kind of is a monster too in his own way because he's been bred within

616
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:58,080
this fucking cesspool of violence and blood and sweat and tears and you know it's he's

617
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:03,000
looked into the darkness and it's looked back you know and then but no he just walks right

618
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:11,760
up and he's like hey how'd you like they just like fuck let's go back to and and Penny's

619
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,200
diner oven but I don't know what that place is called and then they like close the place

620
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:23,360
down and have a have a nice meal and he keeps a man a nice sweet man from falling asleep

621
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,120
that's the kind of there's so many points where they just like look at this look at

622
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:33,840
how great of a guy he is absolutely yeah there's so much of that the way that he treats the

623
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:40,480
staffs you know also to Carrie Ann we haven't talked about that character the yeah I didn't

624
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:50,240
know she yeah I didn't yeah I didn't I think she actually sung that song yeah yeah she was

625
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:57,240
she was delightful you know she also added a did a lot of work to be like it's Dalton he's

626
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:02,160
killed him in man all just pumping him up every which way there's so much of her just

627
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:07,600
talking to some other person being like man it's don't look at you know look at him go

628
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:14,160
he's the best well my favorite part was when she gave the movie the female gaze like the

629
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:20,160
best like and I love having that one especially in you know in an 80s movie but when she

630
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:28,240
sees his took us roll out of her head jaw drops to the floor and she launches into the

631
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:41,240
stratosphere and then another great character moment though she brings him breakfast and

632
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:46,760
then he sits down that's he doesn't fully button his pants to he just he puts the pants

633
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:54,440
on lights a cigarette and sits down like this and then he opens a big one comes in and then

634
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,840
just looks at the thing he brought and she brought him and he's like it just starts drinking

635
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:09,680
the coffee this guy does not eat jelly doughnuts give me cigarettes and black coffee that's

636
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:18,400
what he runs on and Levi's god damn can you wear a pair of Levi's absolutely well yeah

637
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,320
I mean let's I mean we can kind of start getting to the the wrap up here because I think this

638
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:31,560
movie barrels to the end in such a escalating sort of way and I do like how it's so sad

639
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:37,680
seeing Sam Elliot's death and it really reminds me of the dark night that whole how that whole

640
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:43,680
scene goes down he flips a fucking coin doesn't tell him which one they're in two different

641
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:48,480
locations and he has to figure out which one to save like the flipping of the corn is the

642
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,720
two-faced incomes later but still it was like very dark nighty of that moment and but then

643
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:59,160
he finds out that you know he actually picked Sam Elliot the stabbing of the note of like

644
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:04,040
it was tails I thought that was that's just like good that's just fun movie thing like

645
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:09,080
not fun but it's such a good movie plot thing and they hit you with the little twist there

646
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,560
if you think oh they jumped them that's it he made it through because he's a fighter

647
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:19,520
and so he you know and then when you're not expecting it that's when they hit you with

648
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:25,000
it and so I think that's why it works is because the way it's paced to come after that scene

649
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,960
where he's like oh he's been jumped they tried it but he fought him off and then then you're

650
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,360
like alright ease you're like no he's safe he's good they're not gonna kill him and then

651
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:41,000
they did and then that really I think because of that like you feel that like inherently

652
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,120
as an audience you feel the way that the character in the scene is supposed to feel which is

653
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:50,280
like what no how could they do this there's like a betrayal or a shock.

654
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:57,080
Sure and I mean also there's so much work there because of Sam Elliot being the most

655
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:05,560
charismatic motherfucker around you're like just like naturally you're like protect this

656
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,400
man whatever it had all cause we can't lose this guy.

657
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,040
He's been here that long and they like talked about him like right from the beginning of

658
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,840
the movie because he's like even when they're trying to hire Patrick Swayze he's like you

659
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,160
don't want me you don't want me you want what's his face Wade Wade Garrett is whatever

660
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,160
it's Wade Garrett.

661
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,160
Wade Garrett's the best.

662
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,640
He's the best he's like I want you and it's like I love how there's just such a rapport

663
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:34,560
between all of them but that he makes it okay for what happens next in my mind because

664
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:41,160
you care so much for Sam Elliot and you're nice until you're not and he's not gonna

665
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:48,320
be fucking nice anymore and so he launches his Mercedes the nice car into the into the

666
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,920
house and that corkscrew explosion was fucking sick.

667
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,480
Oh sick.

668
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:00,920
Second favorite moment of the movie that you know the shotgun shooting the car.

669
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,760
It just blows up so fucking cool.

670
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:08,560
It sounds like a laugh out loud moment like there's no fucking way.

671
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,000
It's no way.

672
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,600
My next laugh out loud I was also laughing during that moment and my next laugh out loud

673
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:20,360
was when the second hand or it's not the second it's a guy with the shotgun that's looking

674
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:25,040
around the house for Patrick Swayze and he's freaking out and he's walking around and then

675
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,800
he leans down and he sees a guy with you know bloody head he's like shit.

676
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,520
He keeps walking like his delivery of shit was just so funny to me.

677
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:35,520
He's just shit.

678
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,720
He keeps going and then he's he's he's got right hand on his shotgun.

679
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:44,840
He's going right hand because the camera is facing his face like this way where his right

680
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,840
hands on the trigger but if you were to yes a change angle if you were to like go this

681
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,120
way like a different angle and the camera is going to be facing the other side where

682
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,040
he's not facing so what does he do?

683
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,040
He switches trigger finger.

684
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:03,080
He turns the corner and he switches the trigger finger so the camera can get a good look at

685
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,000
his face right before he gets pummeled pummeled by Swayze.

686
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,640
I thought I thought that was so funny.

687
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:14,760
I was cracking up at that guy's hole because he had a very Bruce Campbell look to which

688
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,760
I loved.

689
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:21,520
A bunch of big motherfuckers on that team man like like yeah when they first go with the

690
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,360
bar with the foot blade.

691
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,360
Yeah.

692
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,360
And then they got polar bear man too.

693
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,360
Yeah.

694
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:28,360
Yeah.

695
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:35,120
But that whole taking down the base I thought was a great ending really fun action the dual

696
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:41,280
fight between him and the second hand dude I thought yeah it was one of the best visually

697
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:47,640
action like climactic moments for a movie about fucking bouncers in the park like I

698
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,360
was like why do I care so much about what's happening this is crazy.

699
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,360
Oh my yeah.

700
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,360
Yeah.

701
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:59,160
I think I think it suffered a little bit on again on the choice of villain and the character

702
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:04,880
that they created for him that there was a final hand to hand duel between this like

703
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:11,560
legendary fighter guy and then this other guy who is really not ever established to be

704
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,760
a fighter of any kind you know and it's like I can understand why they gave him a gun why

705
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,240
they gave him a spear you know and all these things it's like that's the kind of villain

706
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:23,800
they're trying to make him as is like he brings a gun to a knife fight but or a fist fight

707
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:28,600
even but like then they actually have some hand to hand like they're like you know kind

708
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,440
of flopping all over the living room you know kind of brawl and had it and he clicks in

709
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,320
you know like there shouldn't happen.

710
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,880
He breaks this stick and then they're fighting you know they're hitting each other with sticks

711
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:46,000
and I feel like it's like something doesn't add up about this like I think they shot themselves

712
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:51,880
in the foot a little bit when they had him kill the lead henchman way before that because

713
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:57,360
the lead henchman was the only worthy opponent in terms of like his fist fighting and then

714
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:03,520
when they get to the final boss it's like this you know this rich douchey guy who they've

715
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,920
never really shown to be tough at all and it's like okay this is the big showdown he

716
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,600
should just not it's done you know like.

717
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,720
I guess my read on it was I still think he should kick his ass and it should be no contest

718
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:18,000
but it was like my read kind of that mama was that he was kind of like drained from

719
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:22,560
the last fight and then when he first comes into attack him he gets immediately fucking

720
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:29,640
shot in the arm and so kind of bleeding he's like okay I was like okay he's not at 100%

721
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,160
but I totally know what you mean like you could you could probably so pull it off I

722
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,000
thought it was funny that he just was launching spears.

723
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,200
Spear thing was fantastic.

724
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:45,840
I heard earlier I thought he was gonna spear him back but what did you think Evan of what

725
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:52,000
eventually happened to him of the town rising up it's it reminded me as if at the end of

726
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,360
it's a wonderful life the whole town was like hey everyone let's all get together and go

727
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:05,640
kill Mr. Potter okay yeah like fuck you this is our town and just murder Mr. Potter.

728
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:12,120
Yeah I thought it was every time an angel wings an angel wings and bell rings I'm sorry

729
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:17,680
I'm I've lost it I've lost the thread.

730
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:24,960
What did you think of that Evan I thought it was a it was a lovely little feel good

731
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:32,560
piece of catch it insane writing like there's no way there's no way like the whole town

732
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:38,040
was like they knew to go there that minute is like no absolutely not and I love that

733
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,320
the writing didn't even bother to explain it they weren't like we all came here for

734
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:47,040
this reason you know like so and so said you were here none of it they were just like we're

735
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:52,520
just breezing past it because it feels good to have the villagers be the people who killed

736
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:58,240
him I don't know it's like it's what it what is the whole movie all together right if not

737
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:03,560
kind of stupid as hell but kind of feel good because it's kind of corny and it's like you

738
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:08,720
know it's doing it's making the fun choices instead of the like good choices it's like

739
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:13,720
yeah if you right like if you have the police the police show up any sooner the movie would

740
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:18,920
be ruined because the police would show up you like wow that was a pretty big fucking

741
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:24,240
explosion maybe the FBI or someone should show up and fucking terrorism or something

742
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,800
I don't know like there's a big fucking explosion but no like the cops and I get that they're

743
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:33,920
under his like payroll probably he's got the cops on his side and yeah maybe there's

744
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:39,440
a liner to like throw away lines about that because they get together there's no presence

745
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:47,200
at all they get together before because once the once his neighbor explosion I can't remember

746
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,400
if it's either that or no it was probably the general store guy but they all get together

747
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:56,480
and they do mention like okay let's get the FBI in on this but they're like far away so

748
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:02,560
it's going to take time for them to get there so but then all of I mean I feel like I'm

749
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:12,000
like yeah I can like it's really matter it's right but what I would say is like forget

750
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:23,560
it isn't it so fun at the end of the day that it goes Duke out by the river into home alone

751
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:31,600
close quarters combat to the yeah to the boss fight and then man he can Brad Wesley can really

752
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:36,400
take some shots it was really wild that he just took a shotgun blast and then he gets

753
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:44,880
up and he's like I'm gonna still shoot you okay okay he's got to take like 10 shots to

754
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:50,400
suspend one's disbelief throughout that scene where he's still standing blast after blast

755
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:59,440
and be like but wait didn't I just see a polar bears like taxidermy take a guy out like immediately

756
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:05,240
like oh no nothing can be done about it and he's like out and granted he comes back at

757
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:10,080
the very end but through that scene I thought that man was dead I thought he was dead and

758
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:19,920
I'm like scared to death which given a size maybe but like it seemed like at that point

759
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,520
he just gave up is like he was looking for a reason not to fight he's like oh this is

760
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:29,680
convenient but like then the villain guy he just takes blast after blast after blast after

761
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:35,280
blast and I'm like how did they give this guy so much health points it doesn't make sense

762
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,720
he's like the wimpiest dude in the roughest town on earth boss battles yeah you see bad

763
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,480
man and Joker finding it's like Joker couldn't do that what are you talking about

764
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:52,320
for it it feels arbitrary it feels like they arbitrarily stacked his health points and it's

765
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,760
like how the narrative doesn't support it yeah the new patch on roadhouse I don't know

766
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:00,560
they're fucking nerf Swayze

767
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:12,640
Wesley's OP now yeah I also it cracked me the hell up that the collectively everybody in that room

768
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:18,640
because I I have a tendency to do this where I'm I'm thinking you know simultaneously about

769
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:23,840
what's happening and then I'm like man it is going to be a nightmare of the paperwork all

770
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,640
of the legal stuff that's going to go on like people are dead because at first you know you're

771
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:33,040
like people are getting roughed up but you know there's plenty of witnesses at the bar you know

772
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:38,160
so on and so forth like I can suspend my disbelief that you know these guys won't really go to jail

773
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:43,200
whatever but I'm like well now people are fucking dead and then the cops show up and everybody go

774
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:52,880
they're their whole thing is I didn't see anything you're like okay come on like in no world is the

775
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:58,720
cop just gonna go well I guess no one saw anything well no Brandon maybe you maybe you should watch

776
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:05,680
the new season of true detective night country and see how you like that and I have and I am not the

777
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:10,320
fan of biggest thing yeah I was gonna say if you haven't seen it skip it hard pass

778
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:19,200
but I mean that was my first thought when seeing a group of villagers be the the killer at the end

779
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,440
of this movie I was like oh it's kind of like in the true detective night country where they kind of

780
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:30,240
did the same shick you're in the town that kills it yeah you're in roadhouse now

781
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:41,440
I mean yeah it's so silly because if anything yeah it doesn't need to be we didn't see anything

782
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:46,320
there's just you're right in front of this guy he's dead body like what do you mean you didn't see

783
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,080
the detective the sheriff's gonna be like hey Bill go look in that back room there and he's like

784
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,920
yeah all the guns are right here the guy just walked over like two feet just put all the guns

785
01:01:53,920 --> 01:02:03,200
like yeah right here like where else is he gonna put them uh those are those are those are Bradley's

786
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:09,680
but guess there's no way to know for sure you boys have a good day now this guy was paying me

787
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:17,120
lots of money he's dead now I need money you guys got money then we'll be good I mean they are very

788
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:22,000
weird it's probably Craven Sheriff you know he's you know he's he's not the best at his job so

789
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:29,360
this movie's perfect and uh it all checks out yep yeah it's all fine because the movie ends and it's

790
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:35,760
fine so before it gets bad yeah before it gets up its own ass about why it's just like yeah no let's

791
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:42,160
we'll we'll get out while the fuck you roadhouse roadhouse peace also yeah let's play some music

792
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:49,040
and roll those credits and have just them naked in the oh yeah and we just go under water to kiss

793
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:54,640
oh man I wrote woohoo in my notes on that that's a James Bond ending right there yeah it's great

794
01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:01,600
oh yeah he killed the guy and now he's fucking the hottest chicken town I mean this movie's

795
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:07,600
watch on and everything I'm sure the the depth on that watch is great oh yeah absolutely

796
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,360
uh I was trying to look at some like other lines from my notes yeah let's go through notes

797
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:22,320
um hey vodka rocks what say you and me get nipple to nipple vodka rocks I wrote that down to

798
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:28,720
what an insane drink choice that is to me the craziest drink choice if I saw somebody order

799
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:35,600
that I would be like I don't want to be your friend like vodka on the rocks get the fuck out of

800
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:43,200
here like house vodka straight out yeah yeah I don't yeah I don't care which just give me the worst vodka

801
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:50,160
and on ice because I'm gonna sit there like at a bare minimum put some club soda in like what do

802
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:56,000
you know I'm like I can I can I can handle it if you're like an Eastern European badass who's

803
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,640
like I just drink shitty vodka that's fine with me I don't care but putting it on ice really

804
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:06,240
suggests you're gonna take your time yeah yeah like a nice cold shot or something that's like oh

805
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,800
you have your gray goose in the freezer or something then I can take a nice little shot with some caviar

806
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:18,720
great a shot in a beer okay you do a vodka shot of beer that's a normal person thing a vodka rocks

807
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:26,080
is just cuckoo bananas as shit I but yeah but what do you say we go nipple to nipple I think is

808
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:31,200
that's a pause the movie and like the captions kind of line like was that the line

809
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:39,280
there were so many zingers in this movie that it was like literally I feel like they were just

810
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:44,000
they were just throwing shit at the wall like we're gonna our goal with this movie our primary

811
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:49,520
motivation and why did you want to make a movie rowdy and or whatever his name is and he's like

812
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:54,160
I just want to make a movie to get to I want to I want to come up with 100 zingers 200 zingers I

813
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:59,040
want to I want to have a movie that people say the lines from it and then they just row line after

814
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:03,040
line after line like before somebody leaves a room they turn and they say a thing and it's like

815
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:10,400
haha but then there was so many that were just whack that were just so weird to say

816
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:17,680
and there was a handful where there was like comebacks like the one I forget what the setup

817
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:26,800
line was but waysies comeback to the line is fuck you oh yeah I love that you remember that

818
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:34,960
fuck you Wesley like come back is just fuck you fuck you it's like that's the line oh yeah that

819
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:40,240
was like at the end it was the duel because it was he says something kind of like the the second

820
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:46,560
hand guy kind of says something a little bit more like epic he says prepare to die and then he's like

821
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:52,640
yes and then Swayze what does he say you're such an asshole you're such an asshole

822
01:05:54,880 --> 01:06:01,200
it's like that where I'm like and then he's like nah whatever I feel like those lines are placeholder

823
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:06,480
lines that they never got around to change it like they're like something to the effect of

824
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:10,080
you're an asshole we'll get back we'll get back to it later and then they just left it in

825
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:16,560
oh like a percent like in parentheses like an expression that that says fuck you or like yeah

826
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:22,960
not an actual line meaning you there was this one line that Sam Elliott says because somebody

827
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:30,640
asked him like it's one of those like does a bear shit in the woods he says this is a hobby

828
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:39,440
horse have a wooden dick yeah yeah huh no grizzly atoms have a name what's the score here

829
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,760
grizzly atoms did have a beard hobby horses do have wooden dicks

830
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:54,720
some company that they could put that was their thing they're like we're a joke company you know

831
01:06:54,720 --> 01:07:00,720
we have fun here we put dicks on our hobby horses what it's like that thing implies what that

832
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,960
implies is like someone's looking at the hobby horse and being like hmm I wonder if that thing

833
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:12,720
doesn't have a wooden dick right yeah and who would ever think that who would or a hypothesis

834
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:19,920
or that the entire construction of a hobby horse is just those two components yeah you know it's

835
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:28,160
it's the head and then it's a pole uh-huh like the Trojan horse right that's where they hit a lot

836
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:35,040
of guys in that part isn't like people like a hobby horse isn't designed to be a horse necessarily

837
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:42,080
it's just a term you use because it kind of looks like one so yeah again why why would the hobby

838
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:49,200
it's one of those no shit questions but it's such a banana's no shit question

839
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:54,240
well yeah and honestly it's it's a no shit question in its design and its grammar right it's like

840
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:59,360
you could say anything with that intonation as a response and we can intuit that that's what you

841
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:09,280
mean is of course yes but like the the thing he said was odd there's no need I made it more

842
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:15,760
difficult and harder to understand but also then we're he kind of also has a dick thing going on

843
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:24,320
and then later he gets called he gets called dickless and then he punches the guy and I didn't

844
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:29,280
write it down but says something to the effect of like I'm not gonna let you see my dick or something

845
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:35,920
you know oh yeah and just a lot of dick stuff coming out of Sam Elliott yeah yeah there's

846
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:41,920
there's a weirdness to some of the lines in this where it's like it doesn't feel like it was edited

847
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,640
you know it doesn't feel like it was checked more than once for quality or just like what the zingers

848
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:52,000
are like going for numbers a number of zingers and it's a very masculine movie and but they have

849
01:08:52,000 --> 01:09:00,800
these lines that are that question like what they term masculinity because like they like what is it

850
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:06,720
it's like one of them's like I expected you to come in with your balls in a dump truck or something

851
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:13,760
yeah yeah yeah because your balls are so big and it's like yeah because guys have fucking big balls

852
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:19,920
so big they put them in a dump truck and it's like it's like a fucking 11 year old coming up with a

853
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:25,440
line of like oh yeah that guy is so fucking cool and balls are so big put up a dump truck

854
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:32,480
well also too I don't think the size of your balls is a one-to-one so you're like how much come you

855
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:39,040
out I don't know if I'm wrong out there but I don't know if that's exactly how it works oh like you

856
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,880
mean that oh you're thinking that like his balls are so big like the line is saying that like you

857
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:50,480
could actually come in a dump truck the line is the line is like no that is not what I thought but

858
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:56,400
they are carrying the dump truck is carrying the balls Brandon oh not like a wheelbarrow would be

859
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:03,600
a no yeah like Randy from South Park South Park yeah I feel like a dump truck is also weird

860
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:10,960
because of the scale uh-huh they're tall they're very it's hard to picture it'd be impractical

861
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:17,200
even if you had that kind of requirement even if you had a need for that yeah it's you know that

862
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:23,120
yeah I just don't understand the line I feel like the line if I was like working on the script and

863
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,960
somebody threw that line out I would just be like can we think of something else could there's got to

864
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,640
be something else that we could use there instead and then he just has vague responses because his

865
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:41,120
responses that to that is opinions vary yeah it's like what okay they came up with a line they didn't

866
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:47,440
know how to respond to the line but they'll at all stayed in for it feels like it no go ahead oh no

867
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:52,960
I was just I was gonna barrel through some more lines but what were we gonna say I was gonna say

868
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:58,480
that this movie feels like it's confident that it's one of those quotable movies

869
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:04,880
to to the extent that they I think they think they're getting away with a lot of it like

870
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:12,800
the movie thinks it's tombstone it thinks that it's like the dialogue is so yeah yeah every line is

871
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:20,480
like this fuck you line and it's it's really not good enough at that to be doing that yeah it's

872
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:26,880
it does kind of take the air out of the villain or like whoever is like trying to rival him or stand

873
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:31,520
up to him and he just like kind of gives like a throwaway line I get that like that's kind of a

874
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:38,000
cool like yeah John McClane or or even a western or something like that like it's oh this guy just

875
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:43,120
doesn't care but they fall back on that well so much that it and eventually starts to seem like

876
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:48,800
it's lazy like they don't actually know how to write a good line of like addressing and expounding

877
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,880
expanding upon that right like for a full on the action you think you'd get into it a bit more

878
01:11:54,160 --> 01:12:00,240
in the actors studio you might ask somebody well what would your character say given that he just

879
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:05,600
said that what might you say it's almost like they don't do that at all they're like okay now a zinger

880
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:10,400
and then he says this and then zinger zinger zingers it's like the zinger requirement is the headline

881
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:16,960
right yeah because I mean which is apparent overall in this film once we start getting we're

882
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:23,600
getting close to our overall you know feelings of this and people's reviews but I mean more often

883
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:33,040
than not they chose fun over like serious you know making a serious movie right and I kind of

884
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:40,640
commended for it you know it's like yeah I like when we're having fun I love that yeah you know

885
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:45,120
what it's about momentum yeah it's you could spend more time like harping on those things

886
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:51,200
but it might take the sales out of uh yeah the momentum of it yeah yeah I agree I think I have

887
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:58,880
to commend something for doing a stupid thing with all of its heart you know like we're gonna

888
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:03,440
make a stupid action movie and we're really actually just gonna do it and we're gonna do it really

889
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:09,600
damn well and like the fight scenes and the we're gonna put so much effort into it that like

890
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,920
that's the main thing it's like yeah I commend them for that I was like we're just gonna do our

891
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:20,080
stupid thing and we're gonna go at it 100% with no self-awareness or like like self critique or

892
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:25,440
holding back or hedging of like maybe we need it to be more than it is you know it's like

893
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:30,880
Patrick Swayze is a fucking god like his character is like a god in this movie like the way that it's

894
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:35,680
he's shot and the way that he's handled and everything like just yeah just carry carries

895
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:41,280
everything I'll try to do speed round of some of my my notes they change for a great fuck to

896
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:46,880
for a great bewek I thought that was pretty funny yeah he says he says good to see you to a blind

897
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:54,160
guy and the blind guy says same here sorry but if that's rude but I thought that was kind of fun

898
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,000
like putting an elevator in an outhouse just doesn't belong

899
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,000
trustees of modern chemistry was a fun way of saying like

900
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:10,800
like they're just two nouns combined to elicit a specific response that's like the most like

901
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:18,000
philosophy 101 sort of take on that what if she calls my mama horror is she is she

902
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,840
I love this guy is an EQ is like the Wesley guy does that at some point that was kind of funny

903
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:34,160
um something I have that blew me away is in the in the strip club where Sam Elliott is working

904
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:44,000
when we meet him the army guys have oozy squirt guns yeah because it was changed from a wet t-shirt

905
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:51,280
contest to a wet g-string contest and I guess those squirt guns for were for the to make things wet

906
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:58,240
but why they were oozy's and holy shit yeah that was that's intense that was that was a move

907
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,920
but I love that Sam Elliott is just like living the dream brother

908
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,040
there's a monster truck in this movie that's such an 80s thing too and it like

909
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:15,600
destroys I love that they made use I mean that check off monster trucks like they brought it in

910
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:23,520
and you're like that better do some smashing and boy does it boy howdy the cardio didn't

911
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:29,520
have a line though he just kept looking at him like yeah but then he kept asking me like would

912
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:34,800
ask him questions like you have insurance right you'd be like a poor guy I don't know what to say

913
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:41,280
featured extra he didn't get a line at all no no lines no yeah lots of kicks that's an other 80s

914
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:47,760
thing my kicks and Levi's is very Chuck Norris uh Benny's and bloodies that's what Wesley's

915
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:52,560
eating at one point that's my food truck idea is Benny's and bloodies he's got a he's got a

916
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,400
ex-bent Benny and a bloody Mary's hey you want a bloody Mary for breakfast come on

917
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:02,080
Roadhouse Blues he plays by the doors that was fun because we just talked about the doors recently

918
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,640
he's on the rocking chair when he's brooding I thought that was funny he's watching the

919
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:11,600
fuck and he's like drinking and smoking on his rocking chair it's so great that's such a good

920
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:23,120
villain move I that's so stupid um play something with balls when he's gonna fight with the pool

921
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:29,840
stick he does the whole like pool stick like intro of like a choose your fighter pool stick man

922
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:37,120
put your to do and he does his whole thing and I'm in this movie too yeah a lot of knives and

923
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:42,880
a lot of nice boots but just like crocodile dandy kind of knives the one the bartender guy comes

924
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:48,720
back and he's got a fucking bowie like a big bowie knife like he's ready he's crazy like right

925
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:55,840
there in the office he's like I'm hired also you're dying tonight when he's Sam Elliott catches

926
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:01,360
catches the punch from Swayze they were like this close to making out and I would have loved that

927
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:06,800
plot turn oh wow of them just the bad just turning into the next part of the movie

928
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:14,960
yeah prepare to die you're such an asshole I like the fight editing I used to fuck guys like you

929
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:22,880
in prison was quite the line that's a singer quite the line this guy is deranged that's how you know

930
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:31,120
uh he's no and then he throws his body across the river and he just yells Wesley fuck you

931
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:38,480
as like his friend's body I'm like how does the how does the henchman get lines like that and then

932
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:49,440
Swayze's got lines like fuck you all right come on man come on and then the tails again when he

933
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:56,400
stabs him that was great um yeah see you found my trophy room only thing missing is your ass

934
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,040
lots of leg kicks he talks like even a tall guy you kick him right in the fucking leg

935
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:06,080
yeah which we talked about yeah I like how the movie teaches you something

936
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:12,800
yes you know that's like if you take away one thing from this movie it's that one move like

937
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:18,240
they they almost illustrate it to an instructional level where there's close up above the knee it's

938
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:24,640
like you should hit him about here you know and they show it working time and time again you know

939
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:30,160
yep so I love that it comes with a practical self-defense tip I do I gotta give it a little

940
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:37,600
point for that me too I could sit in on a session with Swayze yeah waxing poetic about about being

941
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:44,400
a cooler uh for for a few sessions I think that'd be interesting especially in the bar setting

942
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:49,920
uh I feel like we've gone in depth on a movie that maybe even as they made it they didn't expect

943
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:54,560
people to like pick apart as this so it's like it's fun to go into those little nooks and crannies

944
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,560
of it all but at the end of the day yeah I do think it is that that momentum that carries it

945
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:04,240
through all these heinous sort of ideas of like starting in a silly place but then ending in yeah

946
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:12,080
explosions and mobsters and and and all of this stuff is uh something that you could describe

947
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,920
to somebody and they'd be I don't know I think anyone would have a different reaction to even

948
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:21,600
the description of what this movie's about makes sense why it's polarizing because you hear about

949
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,760
this you'd be like I'm not sure if I'm gonna like that uh even watching this the second time I wasn't

950
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:31,840
sure if I was gonna hold up to me um but let's get into some of our ideas and thoughts about it

951
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:37,120
and some scores after we talk about some audiences and critics scores before that I'm gonna take a

952
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:44,800
little little break right here and we'll be right back. Welcome back everybody let's check out some

953
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:53,200
critic reviews from Ron Tomatoes reminder on the score it is a 41% from the critics let's see what

954
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:59,760
they have to say from Sheila Benson from the Los Angeles Times but in deep roadhouse country and

955
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:06,400
the undefined made crassly visible there isn't a whiff of romance anywhere any more than there's a

956
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:17,920
single jot of common sense disagree let's go there's at least romance the whole middle section

957
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:23,920
of this movie I would argue is all about the romance yeah I don't think that you can you can

958
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:30,560
accurately say that there isn't a romantic plot in the mood there there is I mean it's not it's not

959
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:38,640
particularly nuanced you know what I mean it's a very like beach read you know steamy like it's

960
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:44,240
very like sappy and like over the top but like it is what it is you know it is bro man I'm sure

961
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:51,200
people at the time thought it was super hot you know like yeah yeah yeah uh Jean Siskel

962
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:56,320
road you gave it a two out of four roadhouse is startling because of the intensity of its

963
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:05,360
violence and because of Swayze's mindless posturing well from Jonathan Rosenbaum Chicago reader

964
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:09,680
eventually mutates into a paranoid revenge plot that might be called walking short

965
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:18,080
instead of walking tall oh a zinger of his own there yeah Jonathan Rosenbaum come on

966
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:28,320
man just going after his height Jesus Christ yeah yeah body be gotta be telling um Peter Travers

967
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:36,640
Rolling Stone their grotesque soon drowns out the giggles too gross not enough giggles

968
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:44,400
for Peter Travers for Roger Ebert he said this is not a good movie viewed in the right frame of

969
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:54,640
mind it is not a boring one either there it is you know you know strong agree yes yeah he knows

970
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:59,600
we'll do one more from Hal Henson Washington Post wrote house lays out its story with the subtlety of

971
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:09,040
a wrestling match and probably with less sharpness or savvy we'll check out some audience reviews

972
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:20,720
here and the five star range uh from Wes five stars on letterbox this movie could kill a Victorian

973
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:30,320
era child maybe because it's stimulus I think just showing them like what this movie is they

974
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:35,680
would just would not make sense and give them like an aneurysm or something all right since when are

975
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:42,160
we protecting Victorian era children from stuff what is that well this this guy liked the movie I

976
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:48,640
think he was just saying that it was very stimulating or like all the and all the it's so it's so much

977
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,800
of its time it would destroy someone else of a different time but if I feel like if I saw a

978
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:58,640
movie in the future I'd be like all right but they don't even know what a movie is I guess in the

979
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:07,120
picture I mean at a point it's like any movie is gonna rock their world yeah so I feel like

980
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:12,880
Victoria era children were kind of dying left and right I mean it really isn't that hard can you

981
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,960
imagine if they had make a wish foundation and you could bring back a roadhouse to a Victorian

982
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:26,640
era child for the last thing before they die of the plague from groove man five stars should be a

983
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:32,800
guilty pleasure yet I have no guilt in loving this film it also has hilariously bad lines like I

984
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:39,280
used to fuck guys like you in prison classic the Jeff Hewley band is great also the perfect midnight

985
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:46,640
movie oh yeah from some sorry apologize for what you like oh no don't don't feel yeah don't feel

986
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:53,840
the guilt you just just love just pleasure no guilt from sonic temple five stars some people have

987
01:23:53,840 --> 01:24:07,680
a god I have a roadhouse wow okay okay Brian s spittia aspicia a movie five stars a movie that

988
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:13,600
only asks you to believe in the power of blue jeans rock and roll and Patrick Swayze's magnificent hair

989
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:25,520
yeah that's fair it's a fair assessment and we'll do one more from Angelica Jade bastion

990
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:34,080
five stars pain don't hurt god damn Patrick Swayze was such a loss that still hurts roadhouses a

991
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:40,400
movie that couldn't easily not work but somehow it does operating as silly in terms of the actual

992
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:45,920
plan paper but as it's played so sincerely wrought and has such a commitment to cinematic pleasure

993
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:52,800
it works beautifully Swayze's performance is vite virile yet gentle and kind and open in ways we

994
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:58,000
do not see that much within the major male stars these days I've always heard this film talked

995
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:04,000
about so jokingly in a loving way but I love this much so much more than I expected in no small part

996
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:10,160
because of the approachable grit and care of the tone the physicality of its star the sheer amount

997
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:19,840
of hell yeah moments a delight Angelica loved it uh yeah so I I mean I could imagine this movie

998
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:24,640
coming out at the time and plenty of critics rolling their eyes and I think you know in that brief

999
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:33,280
little sampling of right there you could see uh then just kind of like okay this is even I imagine

1000
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:43,840
like going in before it like not on board it was cool to see uh Ibra at least understand that it was

1001
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:49,040
watchable and that's something that's going to be I think a part of my review is is the watchability

1002
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:55,520
of it all sure um do you guys have any read on on those kind of dividing reviews and and why they

1003
01:25:55,520 --> 01:26:04,080
disagree audiences and critics yeah I mean my take is just that it's like this movie is uh

1004
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:11,440
this movie is silly and if you're looking at this from with a critical eye

1005
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:20,560
you would get bogged down in things needing to make more sense than they actually need to

1006
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:25,280
and I think this movie proves that things don't really need to make a whole lot of sense

1007
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:33,520
and it gets from point A to point B pretty well so I easily understand why this movie has become a

1008
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:40,320
cult classic as framing it as a midnight movie this is a great midnight movie it's got it's got

1009
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:46,320
I mean it's got the things that you want in a midnight movie you know so yeah I haven't

1010
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:51,440
any other thoughts on on the reviews and then if you want to get into your final thoughts in a review

1011
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:59,280
uh zero one out of 100 for your zero zero out of 100 zero three so many options yeah there's

1012
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:04,080
so many options on that scale uh I guess I'll just start by saying I completely understand

1013
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,840
all of the reviews you know across the board I think the good ones and the bad ones I think

1014
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:16,000
it's all correct you know like person yeah I don't think it's like I think maybe Ebert's review

1015
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:21,120
goes closest to how I feel about it's like is it good no of course it's not good it's shitty it's

1016
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:25,840
a shitty movie that's really poorly written I think it's like I think the critics hate it because

1017
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:32,400
it's like from a craft standpoint if you're looking at movies all day and like the things that make

1018
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:37,600
movies movies and you're like well there's there's character there's plot there's the script there's

1019
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:43,040
sort of all these things it's like you know like the critics are people who they watch really good

1020
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:47,680
movies and they write about them for a living so they're coming at it from just too educated of a

1021
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:56,080
perspective to give this points you just can the the script is too flawed they make too many mistakes

1022
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:01,040
or too many decisions that like you know that's what the character of the movie is is like yeah

1023
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:06,480
they just made the fun choice instead of the good choice a lot of the time that's just what they did

1024
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:12,560
so I get it I get the dichotomy there and I think that if you're an audience it's like

1025
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:18,560
it is it is kind of a hell yeah kick-ass fun midnight type movie where you're like you know if

1026
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:23,360
you're if you're looking at it as a as a vehicle for fun it's like well this delivers whether you

1027
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:28,160
think it's good or not I think it's like you can watch the movie and be like hell yeah brother

1028
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:34,320
even if you're laughing at it yes because like for me that is the that is the sensibility of

1029
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:39,840
like watching a movie like this it's ironic it's it's eagles of death metal it's the whole like

1030
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:45,520
it's a boot scootin gene wearing rock and roll in movie and it's like it's this corny almost like

1031
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:56,160
it's almost like a drag performance or it's like a caricature of a masculine it's like the idea of

1032
01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:05,680
it is like this is so 80s macho man stupid and that's like the whole idea and so like I don't know

1033
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:11,840
like it's hard to see it in a modern context and not see it with that camp lens of like this has

1034
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:18,080
got to be funny on purpose right it's got to be silly and kind of almost lampooning masculinity

1035
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:25,280
in that way but then again I think my personal read on the movie is that what I'll knock it for

1036
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:34,400
is it doesn't go as far as it should in that direction I would love to see this premise

1037
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:40,320
but with Sam Elliott as the lead and he never throws a punch you know what I'm saying like I

1038
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:46,640
want to actually see an action movie philosopher guy who refuses to fight like who they actually

1039
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:52,000
take that all the way like I would love to see a hero who goes into a bar in order is a black coffee

1040
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:56,800
but then this hero it's like they still have him drink with his friends because it's like it's

1041
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:01,680
America in the 80s and it's like buddy you don't say no to a beer you know what I mean they can't

1042
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:07,920
have him be weird in any way or be out of the normal in any meaningful way they'll give it lip

1043
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:13,520
service like he's a philosophy NYU student but at the same time he works in a bar and he's like a

1044
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:18,720
truck driving man you know like he's not really that guy the script says he is but he's not really

1045
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:25,680
that and I think all of the positive reviews that say that it's Swayze's performance that saves it I

1046
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:32,640
agree with that that I think you can see in in his acting and his performance that like he does bring

1047
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:39,440
a certain like well-roundedness or like an authentic like pensiveness to the role which at times does

1048
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:45,600
feel like he's giving it more than it deserves as an actor like he's actually trying really hard at

1049
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:50,800
this movie that's pretty stupid on paper and I think that all of that combines to be like that's

1050
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:57,920
kind of what the magic is in it or why it holds up even though it is so of its time and so dated

1051
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:03,200
and its sensibilities I think that's literally the reason it holds up is because of Swayze and

1052
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:09,680
because of the way he delivers it is like there's something to that even though on paper it isn't

1053
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:17,360
there so I would say how I feel about the movie is like craft-wise on paper as a script it's just

1054
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:23,360
terrible it's irredeemably full of holes it's just it's just found in it and on so many dialogue

1055
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:30,320
parts it's like the construction the architecture of this movie is awful but then there's some

1056
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:35,520
moments where it does well there's some moments where the formula works and I have to hand it to

1057
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:41,840
it for being fun even if it's not good and like I said earlier I have to give them credit for doing

1058
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:47,600
a fun thing wholeheartedly or a stupid thing wholeheartedly I do see that and acknowledge that so

1059
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:53,360
all in all I would say this movie for me has to land somewhere in the middle between good and bad

1060
01:31:54,640 --> 01:32:02,480
I want to say maybe 50 I'd give it a 50 out of 100 where I think it's perfect it's not good it's

1061
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:08,080
not good at all it's not a good movie in any way but there are some things that are kind of charming

1062
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:13,680
about it and some things that are really fun about it even if it's stupid as hell yeah and I don't

1063
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:18,000
think that you can really I don't think anybody can be right about the movie you know what I mean it

1064
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:24,480
is bad and good at the same time so I gotta say 50 yeah your your summations and now I'm getting

1065
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:28,560
flashbacks over the last episode two are just the best man right so it's so hard to follow that

1066
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:34,080
that because that's that's you understand so wholeheartedly what the movie is and then you're

1067
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:39,680
able to give your opinion on it too and I think that is the most in-depth lukewarm response that

1068
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:43,760
you could ask for ask for a movie because you're like right down the middle but I'm going to tell

1069
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,920
you why you know because and all those reasons make complete sense because you're like I'm gonna

1070
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:52,880
you're gonna bump it up a bit even though you know it's not good just because you know the yeah

1071
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:58,000
there's there's something there so I completely respect that take on it um should I jump into

1072
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:04,160
this brandini yeah go for it yeah yeah this is this is one where I'm getting flashbacks almost

1073
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:10,720
like to in how you responded right there to our more recent and I don't expect anyone else to

1074
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:16,160
have listened to it but we did this movie called things to do in Denver when you're dead and I

1075
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:22,800
spoke with brandini and our past guest Danny about it and they had a real serious level of

1076
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:30,720
enjoyment for the movie that carried them through the finish line to giving it an overall good

1077
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:36,400
score for my memory and for me I feel like I was a little bit more on the on ebb and side of about

1078
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:43,280
that movie where I was like I get why the enjoyment is there but for me it didn't really work as as

1079
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:49,280
much and this is one where I'm gonna go the direction that you guys went on that movie

1080
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:55,680
uh where you enjoyed a lot I really enjoyed my time with this movie I had a lot of fun with it I

1081
01:33:55,680 --> 01:34:01,760
thought uh it held up a lot because the the first time I watched I believe you know we're big

1082
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:07,200
movie podcast guys obviously so me and brandini I think had watched it maybe once uh for how did

1083
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:11,920
this get made when they talked about it a lot of fun listening to them their commentary on it and

1084
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:16,720
everything too but it kind of went out of my brain coming into it and having my own thoughts about

1085
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:23,920
it was this movie as I said has a momentum I'm able to look outside of it and not as Evan said

1086
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:30,000
like look at the encoded message I'm able to decode it and look at it outside of itself and laugh

1087
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:38,080
at it not with it in many instances um and now I hold it up as almost a relic of prime time

1088
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:45,600
fucking Patrick Swayzey uh doing what he does best and for an action movie I was completely taken in

1089
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:51,120
with all the action in this movie like the brawl fights and everything the bar brawl fights were

1090
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:58,800
like easy to follow the action in all the chaos uh and seeing a lot of guys just kicking each other

1091
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:07,520
legs and blue in blue jeans uh was something that just was just was working for me and it there was

1092
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:14,640
always like between all of the narrative which I agree is structured and plotted like that shit I

1093
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:20,480
understand like it's it's a bad shit thing but they are very smart about instilling almost like

1094
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:26,720
every I don't know 10 15 minutes they would be like okay we're gonna go back to a night at the bar

1095
01:35:26,720 --> 01:35:32,240
and you get and you get a night at the bar and you get a little bit of plot there too but it's like

1096
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:39,200
he's got to go back and work a shift you know and in in the midst of falling in love and going to

1097
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:46,640
fix his car and everything and it's it's not all like for as big of the stakes that eventually grow

1098
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:51,840
like not a lot also happens in this movie either like he goes into town and he tries to fix a bar

1099
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:57,360
up like that's really what it's about and then the stakes get so high that I find that hilarious

1100
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:02,800
that it ends up being a mob thing and all the villager all the villagers it has that feel to

1101
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:08,640
but all the people like come and you know rectify things is such a deeper plot element that this

1102
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:14,720
movie almost like doesn't deserve to have but it does and it goes there and that's like a classic

1103
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:19,360
B movie thing too of making these big swings and this movie makes big swings with the small premise

1104
01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:27,360
I'm gonna give it a fucking I'm gonna give it a fucking 85 hell yeah I had a great time with

1105
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:34,560
this movie I had an 85% enjoyment level and I understand it's not maybe it's not like that

1106
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:44,080
high of a movie like in as a movie but as an experience it's an 85% experience for me on you

1107
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:53,040
brandy me I won't be labor the points that have been made really my overall feeling about this

1108
01:36:53,040 --> 01:37:00,400
movie is I think it's fucking rocks I think for what it what the objective of a movie like this

1109
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:07,760
is it nails it it's pretty consistently has action in it it's got your goofy one-liners

1110
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:18,720
it's got the pretty girl I also like yeah I like the that it tries to be different whether it's

1111
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:25,200
actually successful you know with don't hold philosophy of luck you know in life and whatnot

1112
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:30,880
I just have such a good time watching this movie I could put this movie on

1113
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:41,920
whenever and just watch it it's rips this oh so anyways I'm not gonna keep just gushing over

1114
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:49,680
this movie I'm gonna give it 89% hell yeah hell yeah I love that we got polarized we polarized

1115
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:57,920
on the pod so there's only 11 and 15% respectively here that a movie could be between this and the

1116
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:06,800
best possible thing a movie can be yes correct uh-huh so if it were only 15 or 11% better

1117
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:16,000
no movie ever made could top this movie my enjoyment level yeah what's another 85%

1118
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:23,440
movie for me let me think what's what's one that's gotten 85 what that I would give in an 85%

1119
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:31,040
that's that's come out recently this is like as good as like I don't know across the spider

1120
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:36,320
versus pretty fun that was like I'm like I'm having a good time this narrative and superheroes like

1121
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:43,760
we're like this is like a fun movie I don't know that might be an 85 a roadhouse across the spider

1122
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:52,320
versus same level of movie man I feel like you had another 15% you know you get like Jurassic Park

1123
01:38:52,320 --> 01:39:00,560
we're back to the future right yeah it's in striking this okay do you this is maybe a tough

1124
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:06,800
question on the spot but do you have like an 85% enjoyment level for the movie yeah well so it's

1125
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:13,120
interesting because I feel like for for both of you guys you prize your own enjoyment of the movie

1126
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:18,560
quite highly and it's rated I decided to go that direction this time I don't always do but this one

1127
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:24,880
is it's tough to deny the enjoyment level for me because I think that my enjoyment level would

1128
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:33,200
have been much higher than my rating sure yeah do you want to rank that as well uh yeah I would say

1129
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:40,880
I'd give it a 70 70 out of 100 for it did I enjoy watching it yeah of course now we're talking you

1130
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:45,680
know like it was fun it was fun I think that's but I think that's why you completely get your 50%

1131
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:51,280
too like I totally I totally get that score and I just don't break my own yeah I wouldn't too yeah

1132
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:57,200
just don't value my own subjective opinion of it as like is it good or not I don't know I to me it's

1133
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:03,680
like that's only one piece of the puzzle it's hit or miss for me yeah there's there's yeah like that's

1134
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:08,400
why I had to bring up that things to do in Denver thing like I had a good time with Brandon watching

1135
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:13,680
that together but I would probably never watch it again and it was like sure yeah it was upsetting

1136
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:21,600
in ways that through the camp out the window this one is just just floats above the surface of everything

1137
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:27,840
and just cuts through the the heart of me I don't know it just uh it gets me gets me where it counts

1138
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:33,360
is like just a yeah action movie hey you want to watch a big dumb action movie like boom road

1139
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:40,480
house is on that list and speaking of lists I got a little game for us today before we wrap up

1140
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:48,960
it's the guess that rank game I am going to give you some lists on this website called

1141
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:56,160
rancor.com that road house is featured on it's up to you guys to guess what number on the list

1142
01:40:56,160 --> 01:41:03,120
this road house falls upon these these lists that I'm giving you and then where it lies upon them uh

1143
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:10,560
if that explanation makes any sense if it doesn't we'll find out very soon you'll get it once I

1144
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:15,680
started uh listen off some lists here so we're gonna start with Evan if you want to go first you

1145
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:26,880
want to go first or second I'll go first so road house was put on the top movies of 1989 the list

1146
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:35,280
of the top movies of 1989 there are 83 movies on that list I want you to tell me what rank

1147
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:44,240
does road house come in out of 83 movies of 1989 and if you go over it does not count I'm doing

1148
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:52,480
prices right rules prices right rules okay um damn okay so 83 is the the link to the list of

1149
01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:59,440
1989 one being the best 83 being the worst correct man real opportunity miss opportunity to not make

1150
01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:06,320
it 89 movies I mean no that's no right with the very yeah that guy got fired another list making

1151
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:15,280
guy at that um okay let's see well who made who made the list I mean that's a question on

1152
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:21,760
on this ranker website I should pull up the rules of this oh the website so this is a recent

1153
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:28,000
it's not in 1989 they know this is uh this is this website ranker and people up vote and down vote

1154
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:37,920
vote certain movies I'm not sure how they compile how many get to be on the list but there are voting

1155
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:44,640
systems by people and there's a and they vote them up or down okay um I have I'm gonna go with

1156
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:55,120
number seven final answer number seven final answer oh okay I'm gonna say 12 12 brandini

1157
01:42:55,120 --> 01:43:02,000
you are one off and it's number 13 that was an excellent guess and you get a fucking point wow

1158
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:08,880
sure enough hot here one off that was amazing kind of 83 that's impressive all right so we're

1159
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:14,720
moving on to our next category brandini you're gonna be first on this one this is best movie

1160
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:25,440
soundtrack period all time best movie soundtrack this is on the list wow of 99 movies which what's

1161
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:36,720
the ranking for roadhouse for best movie soundtrack uh 88 88 what's the total number on the list 99

1162
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:44,640
god damn it I was I'm you know I'm gonna stick with my gut says 84 84

1163
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:53,200
it's gonna go to you Evan it is a 61 actually I guess both of you guys go over so no no points

1164
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:59,040
either way I just realized we're doing price right prices right rules overrated overrated

1165
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:05,440
should we just X and A on the prices right rules yeah yes mm-hmm let's do it you get a point I did

1166
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:11,760
notice I did notice on the the credits that Jimmy iovine was the music supervisor was he really

1167
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:15,200
movie and I was like how'd they get all those tracks and I was like that's how they got all those

1168
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:23,280
tracks yeah damn easy that that prod pod yeah podcast is really gotta talk about that uh

1169
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:32,080
we'll go on to our next category Evan this is going to you first this category is the most

1170
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:39,200
impressive finishing move in a movie and this one goes to of course the throat rip so out of 15

1171
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:46,400
movies with good finishing moves most impressive finishing moves what is the throat rip rank on this

1172
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:55,680
list of 15 I mean this this would rank highly for me I'm gonna say maybe third best finishing move

1173
01:44:55,680 --> 01:45:05,280
okay excellent I'm gonna say six Brandon you fucking nailed it my friend whoa it's number six

1174
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:12,000
wow I'm on fire you're out of control you're hot you know your roadhouse man someone's got to put

1175
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:18,400
them out oh wow that blew my mind I I almost feel like I gotta get double points or something but

1176
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:26,320
I never established those rules so sorry buddy um we got a two to one brandini lead let's move on

1177
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:33,120
it's best out of best three out of five by the way if I did not mention that uh this next list is

1178
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:46,080
bad movies that are actually good oh okay what does this movie rank out of 20 this goes to brandini

1179
01:45:46,080 --> 01:45:56,640
I think yes so out of 20 one being best 20 being 20th best I'm gonna go seven seven

1180
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:04,160
to you Evan best bad movies that are actually good

1181
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:16,000
yeah 11 or maybe they're just maybe good to begin with 11 out of 20 it is actually

1182
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:26,160
number two it is high up there wow how about that it is actually good a good movie is what people

1183
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:33,360
say yeah all right so brandini uh three to one I think that's gonna do I have one more category

1184
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:40,160
if you guys want to go all in do it oh it's double or nothing double or nothing yeah everything or

1185
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:50,080
nothing uh last last list is last category is dramatic movie one liners that don't make any sense

1186
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:57,840
and god this belongs on this line in the list for a roadhouse is pain don't hurt

1187
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:04,160
pain doesn't hurt I think that's all yeah I think that's

1188
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:12,640
this you gotta say who goes first before I get uh wait it was Evan brand

1189
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:19,760
Evan brand Evan so Evan yeah you go you go first on this one out of 12 Dalton saying pain don't hurt

1190
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:24,400
I think I think that's the line is the reason this this list was made

1191
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:29,200
I think it's number one I think they made a list so they could put this movie on it

1192
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:39,440
excellent I'm gonna say five five well this puts me in a big pickle here guys and this is where

1193
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:47,200
I'm actually gonna call the game a tie because it is number three wow right so that's so we'll call

1194
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:53,680
it a tie yeah yeah okay you guys split the diff well I wonder what number one is should we see what

1195
01:47:53,680 --> 01:48:01,120
number one is yeah love story give some weird advice with love means never having to say you're sorry

1196
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:07,360
I never heard of love story but apparently there's a line that says love means never having to say

1197
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:16,400
you're sorry that does seem toxic that's weird yeah that is weird doesn't hold up number two is a CIA

1198
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:24,400
operative claims my face is my warrant in Transformers age of extinction wow wow that's

1199
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:32,240
excellent with a fun list all right uh well gg you tie ball game uh this is one of my favorite

1200
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:37,120
episodes I think we've done for the podcast and I think that goes uh a large part so you Evan you

1201
01:48:37,120 --> 01:48:45,200
you're just an amazing yes you can you offer true insight into how movies are made uh from

1202
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:51,120
somebody who knows a lot about it and I appreciate you taking your time uh in a different time zone

1203
01:48:51,120 --> 01:49:00,160
to join us and uh go through a discussion of a pretty silly movie no matter how you would rank

1204
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:06,640
it so maybe next time we'll get get you on like uh I don't know maybe like a weird like artsy indie

1205
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:12,560
movie or something yeah something different you know I love that you guys uh it pushed me out of

1206
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:17,600
my comfort zone I mean I feel like the only reason I would ever watch Roadhouse 1989 with Patrick

1207
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:24,000
Swayze is literally before this and so homework amazing yeah and now I feel like I know just a

1208
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:31,360
little bit more about the world right and you know all of the yeah about all of culture and I this

1209
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:36,800
movie would have missed me entirely I'm not gonna see the remake you know like it's yeah I'm just

1210
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:42,640
there's just it's not my genre but like doing this podcast gives me an excuse to like really and I

1211
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:47,920
think what's really fun about it is like even if I don't think the movie is good I still think the

1212
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:54,400
experience is great of watching a movie and like talking it to death and like thinking about it and

1213
01:49:54,400 --> 01:50:01,840
like I love the I love it so thanks for having me on I feel the exact same way my possibly my least

1214
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:09,440
favorite movie ever is splice I think that's like my least favorite movie ever and we talked about it

1215
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:15,120
on this podcast and I it was cathartic it was very cathartic for me because I was able to get some

1216
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:21,520
shit out of like how I felt about it and like let other people know like this happened and no one

1217
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:26,960
really said anything at the time this fucking happened we need to talk about it it's not okay

1218
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:32,320
because that movie's not okay it needs to go to jail we have a whole list going but

1219
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:43,040
the next movie that we will be doing will be a departure it will be a movie from 2007

1220
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:49,600
it will be a comedy musical it would be in the comedy musical category it's a little

1221
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:58,320
dating called walk hard the dewy cock story and it is a polarizing feature according to rotten

1222
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:04,000
tomatoes the critics gave it a certified fresh it has a little certified fresh symbol of 75

1223
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:13,280
and then the audience gives it a 57 a palindrome of a movie scoring 75 to 57 if you will

1224
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:21,280
I don't know if numbers have palindromes if you haven't seen the walk hard dewy cock story

1225
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:26,400
make sure you do before our next ep I think it'll be a good one we'll have a great guest for that

1226
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:34,800
as well we've been spoiled with a good guess what can I say and it'll be a fun one to do after the

1227
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:43,200
doors which was a straight serious rock biopic and this is a making fun of that essentially

1228
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:51,600
yeah but I've had a blast today this is uh this has been the perfect movie for the pod

1229
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:57,520
hope you guys have enjoyed yourselves if you want to see us live on twitch.tv slash polarize pod

1230
01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:03,680
we're streaming live if you ever want to see our goofy faces doing their goofy things

1231
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:12,160
uh we do it once a week uh usually lately it's been like uh Wednesday or Thursday

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record but you know and it's pretty fluid and uh if you want to send us a line on the old gmail

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polarize the pod at gmail.com uh we love you all thank you again and we'll see you next time