Welcome to the podcast everybody.
Welcome back.
Anyone who's returning welcome.
First timers any big Road House fans out there.
That's the movie we're talking about this week because it is a polarizing movie and we
talk about polarizing movies.
According to round tomatoes the movies that audiences and critics disagree on most.
This one has a critic score of 41% a stinky stinky but a much better audience score of
67 is much better than that.
You'd see this is a beloved audience favorite.
A big big movie a big cult classic if you will.
So much so that they're bringing it back baby.
At this moment you can pull up a Gyllenhaal McGregor.
Feach that I've never seen but it's out there.
They remade it.
So we thought it'd be fun to dig up the old one 1989.
The genre according to round tomatoes is an action mystery and thriller.
Let's hear that premise one more time.
The double deuce is the meanest light for anyone who hasn't seen the movie and is just
jumping in here.
Or wants to know the story again.
The double deuce is the meanest loudest and rowdy is bar south of the Mason Dixon line
and Dalton Patrick Swayze has been hired to clean it up.
He might not look like much but the PhD educated bouncer proves he's more than capable.
Busting the heads of troublemakers and turning the round roadhouse into a jumping hotspot.
But Dalton's romance with the gorgeous Dr. Clay Kelly Lynch put some on the bad side
of cutthroat local big shot Brad Wesley Bencazara.
What a movie.
What a program we have set you up here today on the Polarize pod.
Let me bring in my my best bud if you will my partner in crime my shotgun on this road
into polarizing movies one brandini stoplays.
Hey is the Sam Elliott to my Patrick Swayze or vice versa.
However you want to put it.
We go hand in hand Jill and hall to my McGregor.
What's going on me.
Oh hey buddy.
I would be remiss to not start the episode off with that.
Hey buddy excited today about this movie my God.
What a movie.
I'd say they don't make them like this anymore but they just did again.
They just made the same one again.
Well I mean it's yet to be seen what that movie is about and how it looks and all the
other stuff.
They're trying to make it if they tried.
You know it's this is the world we're living in you know no IP is safe no IP safe from
a studio resurrecting Ed and you know giving it its second life or more often than not
I feel like burying it into the ground.
Yeah we're not going to talk about it much because we haven't seen it but I assume the
McGregor is the Sam Elliott part is the parallel.
I feel like they were talking about Ron to Rousey for for a minute.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
A while ago too that's when it was big time for somebody like me that knows nothing of
the world of fighting but people in this movie know the world of bouncers which I think
is fascinating.
They know that oh you're tall.
No I thought you have a reputation.
I thought you'd be bigger.
Yeah I guess if you worked in a bar in America you knew that there were coolers out there
and you know just roaming around keeping bars safe.
Yeah there's Dolan but I'm more of a Wade Garrett guy myself.
Oh shit.
How could you not?
Sam Elliott.
Yeah.
But I mean I just I can't go any further.
There's a man here who has a reputation on this podcast at least for one excellent Pirates
episode that we did in the past and he's decided to join us again.
It's been much too long Evan.
Evan Moore is here and I want him to join us again in the Polarize Kingdom for a discussion
of Roadhouse.
Join us in the Roadhouse.
How's it going?
Thank you guys.
Thank you.
Thanks for having me on again.
Of course.
I felt bad that the one time that we've had you on this pod it was for a movie.
I don't remember our scores exactly but I don't think that they were great and it's
because that movie wasn't very good and so when this came up I was like Evan hasn't been
on in a while and I feel a sense of obligation that we should probably give him a good movie.
I don't know.
You know let's try that out and see what that's different.
At least and to know that this is your first viewing how was the first one.
Let's not jump to any conclusions Brandon about how I felt about the movie.
But it was at least a very different movie and a fun experience nonetheless.
I say I was trying to say it was a great time.
It was different.
But man it's the first time seeing this.
Wow.
What did you know before going in?
Like what were the tangential sort of things?
So honestly this movie missed me.
I was born one year after it came out and it was never on.
It was never on in my existence.
It may have been a movie that was playing.
You know what this movie is?
It's a movie that would be playing on TV that my dad would just be watching while he's
just wordlessly eating a hand sandwich.
You know and I walk in and you know I look at the TV and I'm like oh that's not for me.
And then I leave.
That's a Kelly Lynch right there.
You know Kelly Lynch?
Yeah I know Kelly Lynch.
That's around the world.
Yeah.
Seeing that on TV we're going.
Yeah.
As dads do you don't want to get too excited but you can tell there's some excitement there.
I'm one sexy lady on the screen.
And then mom would be right there and be like hey you know who that is?
It's Patrick fucking Sweezy.
Another sexy person.
Absolutely.
He's so sensual.
I mean just I don't know like that's bringing him up at least at this point too.
He's such a sensual man at this point in time.
He's in so many sensual scenes in movies I feel like.
Because he does it so well.
I think he handles the romance in this movie amazing.
Like he I was thinking about it too because of his stature which is commented multiple
times in this movie.
I feel like the fact that he is not this like hulking imposing person lends itself innately
to this more sensitive person which is nice.
He's like it's the 80s macho version of like a soft boy.
Right.
Yeah.
That is how they play it.
Yeah that's how he's played is he's got a PhD from NYU in philosophy.
Does Tai Chi.
Yeah that he had that one shirt that was like almost like some like not a maybe a kimono
or like a.
Yeah.
Yeah like something you would wear in like karate or taekwondo or something.
Just tucked into his jeans.
Hell of a look.
I was he's got some looks man.
Yeah.
He's got some love.
He's got some great looks.
He's brooding the entire movie.
Pretty.
He's strong and silent for sure.
At least in the very beginning.
Yeah I mean just observe this kingdom at this point he was already a huge star.
You know he's part of that collection of actors coming out of the outsiders wherever
you know everybody in that was paying attention to all of the guys that were in that.
A majority of them went on to have insane careers and yeah I think Patrick Sleazy definitely
is one of those.
What else had he done.
Had Don he was done red dawn already.
Okay.
Yeah he's done good yet.
Yeah nobody had done dirty dancing already.
Oh speaking of sensual.
Oh yeah.
Oh man that iconic performance and yeah just solidifies them in a leading man role like
we're talking about that has this innate sensuality this is somewhat of I don't know
how to describe it.
There's an approachableness he's not this again this you know kind of upfront badass.
He has a little bit more of that stoicism.
There's a shell to crack for sure but you want to crack that shell.
And it's only in the context of his job you know because if you take him outside of work
like when he's at the doctor's office or when he's renting that apartment it's like
oh what an affable gentleman this guy is.
He's not tough at all.
He's like such a nice guy.
Around people he trusts or yeah he's just an everyman and down to salt of the earth
sort of dude and I don't know about like those heroes can play really well sometimes they
are tropey and can be very like stereotypical kind of just like it doesn't come across
real or it's too ham-fisted of like them propping this guy up to be a certain way.
The way like his performance like saves so much in this movie and it prevents that from
being played out and not interesting to watch him performing within that guise of that trope
is enough to like flavor it up and style it up because he's such an interesting guy to
look at.
Even when he's not saying anything like everything building up to what he's actually gonna say
is like makes what he's actually gonna say just so much more meaningful.
There's times when he's like you approach someone who's fucking around or something and he's
about to kick him out and he's just like what is he gonna say?
Yeah right.
He's like I don't know what he fires the guy who's fucking in the closet or whatever just
like that smug kind of just like you're finished or whatever he says I'm on my break.
Don't come back or don't finish it.
Stay on it.
I fuck that up.
Stay on it.
I fuck that up.
But when he enters.
Yeah.
He's just perfect.
The movie to start getting into it also just sets him up so well.
I made a note of it like we're seven minutes into this movie and it has just established
so much about his character.
You know just the first bar that he's at how he handles it and then the process of him
getting to Jasper there's just so much character moments of him buying things you know just
interacting with other people that establish the type of dude that he is and I think it's
just so economical that you get you understand so much about Patrick's ways he in such a
brief amount of time and yeah it blew me away that that was the case.
Oh yeah I definitely agree I think the first 10 minutes of this are like formula screenwriting
doing what it does really well which is like this is like classic Hollywood screenwriting
where it's like they're not breaking any rules with this they're just giving it to you straight
up and it's and it works very well.
Absolutely the fact that it establishes what the plot of the movie is in the first 10 minutes
yeah I mean we all I mean especially given how many movies don't do that I'm like applauding
this movie I'm like wow I have a really good sense of who he is what's gonna happen let's
go.
You think it's like a silly premise from the from the poster maybe what you think the movie
is gonna be about is a bouncer cooler and it's like how serious could it really be it
sets up those stakes and it sets establishes his stature within this world immediately
and then and then moves him out of a place of maybe not necessarily comfort but he is
a fish out of water as well so you get a you get a flavor of who he is and then you put
him in this new situation which yes maybe kind of tropey to you but it's played really
well.
Yeah I think as a person who was required to watch this movie like you know for this podcast
and it's like if I if I had watched those first few minutes just completely just shopping
around for something to watch I would probably just click away and be like okay this is two
dated it is just to the the whole feeling of this is just too old I'm not gonna be able
to get into it but I think because it does it leans so hard on that formula writing it
like gives you a character and a plot and a premise they're like well if I have to keep
watching this at least I know what they're doing at least I can actually follow it and
it's not nonsense you know like it definitely like has a has a very 80s feel and it's like
yeah this is gonna be Roadhouse of Patrick Swayze and it's gonna be like you know what
you're getting the first opening sequence you're like it is Roadhouse like it's exactly
what you think it is but yeah it gives you enough to anchor on to as a viewer to where
you're like okay we're going on this ride and at least I have a character at least I
have a premise and a plot and it's often running it's not wasting your time absolutely much
appreciated for that and it's it's it shouldn't work it shouldn't work as well as it does
how it how it how it works you know absolutely because again it's just you can always come
back to like this is a pretty silly yeah movie at its core but again it just the movie does
so well to establish the competency of Patrick Swayze his notoriety and same so quickly and
then goes right into him doing stuff to like so methodically you know and it's it's almost
like you know the best parts of what is it the killer the yeah the the recent movie with
the Fauspender that's vendor where that movie is so enjoyable or just most I would argue
that most movies when you just watch a very competent person doing something there is
something innately like you know what I could sit here and watch this you just made me think
of Danny Ocean really I don't know he's kind of a he's a scoundrel a little bit or he's
actually he's in a world of scoundrels but he's like this kind of suave debonair kind
of like smug dude that's able to work through it and still be upstanding in this way and
something about that of being in a seedy situation but still coming out on top of being respectable
and crafty and skillful and but his purpose in this one is really just almost like yeah
the mix of like drill sergeant mix of like Gordon Ramsay like I feel like Gordon Ramsay
should be fucking McGregor's role in in a roadhouse especially if it's the Sam Elliott
oh man that would who needs a fighter tell me yeah please tell me Jillian Hall is going
to be the Dalton I feel like that's a better casting for the reason that Swayze is able
to pull this off where it's like he's a little more believable as somebody who's not just
a fighter you know like I think Jillian Hall's got the range I could see it as a role you
can brew you can bring a fighter like it's that's going to be a dog shit movie I can
just call it right out of the gate but if it's Jillian Hall I have a hard time disliking
anything he's in because I think he's good at like the range the depth I definitely elevate
anything he is in as well something that I may not overall love like he makes it better
for sure see I love Jillian Hall as well and agree with you guys but the thing just again
having not seen the new one just understanding how they're promoting it is fundamentally
it seems like they don't understand the core of this movie where if you're building the
new one as it's a fighting movie you miss like the point of this fucking movie like
from the get go it's telling you about like you get great lines about like nobody in a
fight wins a lot of this pacifist idea all it doesn't hurt is that what it is pain doesn't
hurt that's my favorite yeah when he says it but it does well I think it's I think it's
really funny because like on the subject of like is this movie does this movie is it a
fighting movie is it an action movie does it advocate for pacifism is it actually hurt
is it actually conveying some alternative form of masculinity where you're supposed to
be a non fighter and that's the strongest thing you can be I don't know if it actually
gets there it wants that but it also needs to couch that in lots of roundhouse kicks
and you know like lots of tough machismo like it kind of because it's 1989 they like they
can't they can't get you to take that medicine without literally wrapping it in just so much
macho bullshit that like it's it really does get lost I think in terms of like at the end
of the day how many people get punched in this movie like directed by a man named rowdy
Harrington I know nothing of this man but his name is rowdy Harrington so I think if
the takeaway so it's so so many decades later if the takeaway was like hey remember that
fighting movie from the 80s let's rev that back up I don't think that's crazy off base
I think it's like it is missing something but I don't know how much that actually mattered
really to what round to a roadhouse actually is it's a fantastic B movie and I think I
don't know it's it's hard to be knowledgeable of it being a B movie going into it and so
maintaining camp and sincerity though like writing the line between those two those two
concepts in a and especially in the late 80s movie like it is able to do that but it's
hard to find a way to do that without being meta in movies that come out in 2024 I feel
like and yeah it's it's hard to you know it's I think it's good that we're referencing
this movie and though we haven't seen it yet but it it's it's kind of amazing just to be
able to ride those lines in this movie and I think the sincerity comes with the performance
and this being about a town like this is this is about like a town you know and it incidentally
I think the fighting scenes are shot really well in this movie and speaking of how like
movies are shot now and especially fight scenes and how many fucking cuts there are where
you can't even you lose sight of what's even happening in your fast and furious as well
which are movies I like but the hand to hand combat is really easy to follow and you get
the sense that Swayze is doing a fair amount of it I'm sure he has stunt doubles and other
stuff but no a lot of that okay which was actually ended up being an issue is that you can't
mistake the hate ended up being an issue because Swayze hurt himself so he was offered he was
offered a role I can't remember which big budget action movie it was but he had to turn
it down which is why he ended up doing ghost because he was like well I can do this and
that was like what got him there because he hurt himself during this and you know it's
on record that they brought in a bunch of like black belts to train them and so many of the
people in this movie are actually doing the fighting which yeah I think obviously helps
right I just want to see Keith David throw a punch goddamn he just had him sit in the
back like I want to see him get in on that some of the shit that was so crazy to me how
little of a part keep David I know I'm like wait what is that is that who I think it is
because he just shows up out of nowhere because the thing that I noticed with this movie or
this viewing is how the double deuce like evolves over the course I love that and I love how
there's not a big mop cleaning montage 80s cleaning right hage or like alright guys we
got to clean it up and everyone's got to wear uniforms and it's like you just see that stuff
progress just in the background like at one point there's an exterior and it's like oh
they completed the new signage I like that you know but you have to notice it you know
it doesn't like shot of the new sign and they're like cutting a ribbon and it's like none of
that it's just like it's a detail but I want to go back real quick just to like the the
practical effects of it all and like the physical fight scenes and like the choreography of
it all and it's like I definitely that would definitely was not lost on me as like I you
know you just see so little of that stuff now and it's so fun to see all of the like
you know they filmed it in wides they filmed they didn't cut that much it was like this
is obviously it's not real but like they're committing to a choreography and a whole fight
scene and I don't know that there's an artistry to that that I think is really cool if it's
like oh wow you just don't see that anymore I agree I'm so glad you brought the choreography
you get to soak in it and a bit more when it stays in those winds and doesn't cut from
like you'll see someone take a hit fall down get back up and then do their hit all in the
same shot and that like yeah means so much when it's when you can see yeah Patrick Swayze
get back up and rearrange and go for the next segment of action before you cut again and
that one one of my favorite stunts I'm it had to have been him but when you see one
of the explosions occur or I think it might just be a fire that turns into explosion they
turn they light up the farmer's house and he notices and those big windows one of them
is open probably because they he had a little after late night lovemaking session had a
cigarette on top of the roof but after that he does a jump he goes like and then he does
a flip onto the haystack and runs towards the flaming house I'm like dude that was like
in a stunt spectacular that was amazing there's there was like there was a couple of flips
in this and it's like you I mean you just don't see flips you know like who I love it
I love the like the corny like the stage craftiness of that of like you would see that on like
a theater fight scene you know like people doing flips but like it's so fun to see it
in a movie good bar brawls man you need good fucking bar bar brawling in this movie right
absolutely if you didn't get that right then what are we doing here yeah yeah I think about
the last sorry I think about the last action movie that I saw like genre action movie and
like recent movies was like gray man I don't know if you guys have seen that but like I
didn't try it I tried it's like it's literally just like such a slog where like the fight
scenes feel so synthetic that the whole thing is just like who fucking cares like who cares
it's so hard to watch they don't and it's not like the fight scenes in roadhouse or
like poetry or anything but there's at least something to watch you know if you're gonna
be indulgent about violence then at least have it be a net gain to the film I guess
in terms of entertainment value like it's so boring to see like modern action sequences
that are so high octane and it's like but what what who cares why it's CGI who cares
it's like it doesn't matter you know that's the big part I mean the CG is I not I feel
like I harp on that a lot on this on this podcast here and there but it's like you're
almost it's the scores Scorsese thing where it's like you're on a roller coaster you
know you just feel so safe on this ride of like they're just going through the motions
and everything is also preordained and so much done in post that nothing else feels
messy and there's moments in this movie you can feel like I don't know they probably got
in a couple takes and they had to move on and it just has a certain certain messiness
to it and I like how everyone just gets bloodier and sweatier and dirtier as the fight goes
on to that final duel I know we're jumping around maybe we should we should work through
it a little bit but just how how dirty and fucked up people people kid is something
that is a little a little bit missed you know and you watch movies like diehard and everything
you want to see see your every man kind of go through it and have the attitude still
maintain and his attitude is just always on on top of it and that's like James Bond for
me I mean that's that's the best.
Oh yeah absolutely so the first bar scene or bar brawl him getting to the double do's
lady stabs some cards that's not okay for some reason I'm not sure why or the stage
itself I would you know what a what a set of that is a set of solely designed for people
to throw bottles.
Whoa, remind me of blues brothers.
I watched Blues Brothers recently and they had that same thing.
It's like you just gotta throw a bottle every now and then people throw enough bottles that
you got to set up protection.
The venue just admitting it's like well you can't stop that behavior I mean that's just
not gonna stop you know so yeah we might as well just plan for just people throwing bottles
and then insult injury at a blind musician.
I know right damn everybody like whoa but that's all to say how crazy this bar is right
it sets up how insane this bar is a bar that's the kind of place they sweep the eyeballs
up after closing.
Thank you yeah that and Dalton coming in and just it's a lot of shots of people being like
hey do you know who that is hey do you know who that is it just does so well to build
up the mystique and like his presence in there black coffee black coffee just you know stands
at the bar watches everything go down and there's just so much goofy as shit going on
in this bar.
That first action scene I was taking look at my notes yeah like he I love that move it
lets you know that he uses his mind as well as his muscle when he's like let's take it
outside fella like I will do a one on one and then he does and then he just goes back
inside and leaves him outside it's like oh he's a genius oh he's a philosophy major I
see how it is.
Just a real Gandhi in the bar.
He doesn't fight he asks why should I.
Yeah why.
Absolutely why.
But yeah that I mean that establishes a great establishment of character of using his his
mind as well yeah sweep sweep up the eyeballs he doesn't fly it's too dangerous but he still
has a dangerous he has the most dangerous job he has he's like this enigma you know
he's like he has these contradictions and then he gets his like old old the old beater
of a car which I think is that's a funny through line of the movie.
When we talk about how he has like three car changes in the first scene you know he's like
he's like first I gotta go get my car out of the shop and then he like but he was already
driving a car in the very beginning and then he gets a different car and then like as soon
as he gets to town he's like you can keep this one and then he goes and buys a car like
the first thing he does.
I didn't know that guy's the car so it's he like gives to the guy like he gives him
the keys like you didn't even see what that car looks like I feel like you're like very
briefly because I was confused I was like you just gave him the Mercedes and no he took
a different car took the Mercedes and then just did it and then have the car that he
knew was going to get fucked with.
Yeah yeah but that was a big portion of the first act.
Yeah I was like damn this is like America in the 80s was like man cars cars cars cars
cars.
Going through him like yeah I don't know.
And then he pulls up and he's like what's wrong with Detroit cars or something and he's
like oh dude this guy's probably got a Detroit car he's probably got like seven cars like
from what we've seen of him so far.
Definitely he seems like he's been through this before and when he goes to the auto shop
and everything makes nice with the owner there and finds out the CD undertakings of was it
Ben Wesley or whatever.
Ben Wesley.
It seems like he's just he's like I'll only be here for a short while like I've been
through this before I got to clean up a clean up a bar and move on it's me Gordon Ramsay
or whatever the bar rescue guy is.
John Tapper.
Yeah thank you.
I don't think that's his first interaction with him the first interaction is that song
playing and it's like and he's just driving like a lot of dude and he's just going through
the lines.
What a strong choice to show that this guy is a maniac.
Yeah true maniac.
You don't even see him do drugs or alcohol or anything.
I mean you know that he's just a fucking weirdo.
He just yeah I mean he's obsessed with having pool parties.
He's a big pool party guy.
It's a thing.
He loves parties.
He loves voyeurism you know like he spends a lot of time keeping up with the Jones's
IE Tai Chi Swayzey and he drives around his little three wheeler.
He looks so stupid on that little three wheeler thing.
It was like a tricycle and he just watches them and you see the close up and then you
when you see them far away he's like all scrunched up.
He's like wearing some insane stuff in this movie.
He is a big ass God guy loves himself and ask God puts the ass and ask God.
He's got some fedoras.
He's got some jungle jackets because later that he's a big time hunter guy you know and
then which sets us up for that great line of like excellent shot but he's an excellent
shot for you know big game hunter.
He can't seem to put a fucking bullet in anything no no somebody else doesn't for me just shows
up.
He's that kind of guy.
He just rides in the Jeep and you want us to shoot that he's like yeah yeah he's the
Eric Trump of hunting Donald Trump Jr. whatever the fuck Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah that's yeah the line where he's like yeah I see you found my trophy room the only thing
missing is your ass.
It is a huge trophy room every wall is like it is constructed of photos that are like
so close to each other and the whole wall is covered with them and there's like multiple
walls and I just like the set directorator must have like not enough pictures I need
more pictures this guy has hunted all these animals I need a picture of every animal here
you think he just didn't take a picture of this one.
He took a picture of four monkeys just for the fucking joke of it all.
These stuff monkeys just for the joke.
That's morose that is groom when you think of when I saw that I was like just for the
joke.
When you kill four monkeys.
Yeah I'm gonna put them together in little poses yeah fuck.
Taxidermy's weird.
I mean things die of natural causes I guess if that's your way of wanting to maintain
it hunting is a whole different thing but still taxidermy regardless that field is weird
for monkeys of similar age just dying of natural causes.
I don't know.
I didn't look that old.
Yeah.
No this is sustainable hunting Evan.
Yeah.
So you I mean but his introduction is like gradual I love that.
It makes it more meaningful.
It makes him his presence more meaningful makes Sam Elliott's presence more meaningful
how sparing they are of them and then also yeah and just like the dialogue of Patrick
Swayze is minimal.
So there's I don't know the derives importance from things that otherwise wouldn't be I don't
know they're they're this movie wouldn't have as much weight if they didn't they just give
that weight to it and that's the earnest sincere sincere part of it and then they just fill
it with fucking goofy ass action one liners and this fucking poedong town that's just
being run run over by this guy who's trying to turn it into what like Reno or some shit
fucking Las Vegas.
I don't even know.
I think that's the main thing I would like criticize about the writing.
I mean I think the script is mostly pretty silly but and it's either camp or dog shit.
I'm not sure.
I don't think it was intentionally camp.
I think it was probably just bad but if we look back on it now it's funny.
So it's like I know Day Laurentius movies that was at the beginning.
Maybe it's a different movie I watched.
Yeah.
I don't know.
But I think that's one of the main things the main bones to pick with the movie is like
the core conflict of like this villain.
I don't he doesn't have a good villains have a clear philosophy and there's like a reason
why they do what they do right like if you write a really good villain it's like oh I
understand why he's going at it like this he's just wrong or injured in some way and
he's he's acting out this guy.
I think that there's maybe some weird like I don't know side of the times might be a
way to look at it of kind of like what were people afraid of or didn't like back then
that they wanted to paint a villain as and it's like well so he's he's rich.
He's sort of vaguely like weird or like he's sort of like a playboy type but he's like
he's not salt of the earth that's for sure.
Right.
He's like a sort of like other you know and he's kind of odd in some way.
That's why it confused me that drug drugs were never an element of it.
Yeah.
There was never that's usually a part of it that is makes him reasonable to cast this
light on it.
But that's such a good point of like why is he going so hard like why is this so important
to him why is he going so hard into this and he's not like a mobster in a conventional
sense of like he doesn't seem to want power.
He seems like he's already rich.
He's just kind of fucking around almost like it's hard to explain why he why is he such
a bully.
You know that's fair.
So I mean the reason that the movie gives us is that he was a Korean war veteran that
like came to this town and essentially saw that there's so much potential there to make
money off of making this town more profitable and bigger.
And yeah.
So he's already done that.
So to your point it is kind of weird because he's gotten everything he wants.
And so what is you know what is his end goal not really anything because he's just more
or less just trying to hold on to power.
I mean because the main conflict between him and Patrick Swayze is Patrick Swayze is not
going to put up with the type of power that he is eliciting on this this town by you know
strong arming people trading people like shit doing whatever he wants and whatnot.
I just I thought it was funny you know it.
He got his yeah the conversation he has directly with Patrick Swayze about you know what he's
done for this town ends with him saying like they're going to have a JC Penney's here because
of me.
And you're like oh man that's the that's the that's the stamp that you've made it as a
town if you've got a JC Penney.
Yeah I guess it's like the excess wealth like the yuppie ism sort of shit of just like taking
that to like the extreme.
And in this is 1989 like maybe maybe it's starting to turn a little bit of of that excess and
that becoming more of a reason to create a villain out of and his house is still so 80s
it like looks like scarface just not in Miami just like whatever hunter scarface because
you walk in welcome to the foyer would you like to play on this pool table or would
you like to do some yoga or some Arabics a Robics will you turn that shit down.
It's got no soul.
Oh yeah it's got no soul.
Yeah he's he's a music of the time.
So yeah there's there's like some weird moments like that where I'm kind of like maybe I mean
I literally don't know what this is about but like maybe this is about some you know
social cultural moment of like this is like you know like he hates pop music don't you
love pop music like see he's a bad guy.
There's like some.
Suesy doesn't like pop music as well.
Yes there's that whole moment before they sleep together where he just just perfect
Patrick's ways where he's so like no not yes.
It's like rock and roll like they would have heard at the bar and then they switch over
to like it's like 50s music it's sort of Santo and Johnny do up kind of like.
Yeah absolutely like yeah I don't know it's R&B it's like something yeah yeah it's like
oldies you know and instead of like the rock and roll times of the day yeah it's it's like
much smoother than that and I don't know there's like so there's definitely in the creation
of his character and the creation of the villain a stark difference you're like you're supposed
to be Suesy and Suesy is he's a salt to the earth he's he's like quiet he's responsible
he like he's not greedy you know he's like this this will do fine I don't need luxury
I don't need anything but he likes cars you know he likes I don't know and then it's like
he's he's like sort of witty and strong right and that's like that's what they're presenting
is like this is who you ought to be but like if pushed you kick ass right like if pushed
at all you kick major ass you know like that's important to his character but the the the
the conflict between the protagonist and the antagonist is is pretty contrived because
when you they force them together and in the way that the antagonist the villain doesn't
have enough to work off of they know that as writers I feel like because they're trying
to force them together like yeah his his lady doctor doctor lady is her his ex that's unnecessary
and and bonkers that she would go for a guy like that I was she would never go for that
maniac and then on top of that yeah they're fucking neighbors like he's he clocks them
and knows where he is the whole time and is watching everything is so convenient and it
just pushes it's there to just try to incite more out of the villain because he sees them
fuck or whatever and then he's he's just sitting there like angrily stewing at him the whole
time and then knows exactly where to hit like he lives and into attack him which took long
enough because he kept hitting his car every single time but the brazen mustache twirling
villain it's perfectly well in this movie though too it's dumb yeah it's it's silly
like it's written pretty poorly and like and then just silly just silly but he's just
sitting there like might as well have a little white cat and and you know hatching his plans
and when those plans are finally enacted it escalates very quickly from a fighting movie
to terrorism yeah yeah absolutely no there's a lot of deaths that end up happening towards
the end of this which is pretty crazy yeah because you know that's where I can see kind
of the criticisms that like Evan's leveling on this movie where if the if at the heart
of this it's supposed to be you know trying to promote this way of looking at conflict
way of dealing with life in a place of compassion more of like a hippie dippy kind of way but
then he ends up just murdering the people by the end of it and you're like well so where
was the be nice when you are dragging this guy's body and obsessively killing him because
at first I was like oh maybe you know he Jimmy the like right hand man maybe survives but
he picks him up and just drops him in the river face out like well now that guy's definitely
fucking dead oh you can't rip someone's throat out and expect him to survive yeah that's that's
been done the doctor went to check and checked his vitals and was like uh oh he's he's minus
a throat I guess in the next like that's how you're treating the dead body that is your
like I'm gonna he sent it across the river to him that was the hardest move because he
was like come at me motherfucker like here's your boy and he sent him across the river
for him to just fuck around and find out like that shit and then like he has this rule it
seems like and then I like how that dark side comes out a bit too where it's like someone's
pulls a gun on him that's where you see he's red and he starts ripping fucking throats
and that's what happened in wherever he came from before where he was of course seducing
a lady per use he's a he's a swazy seducing lady kind of course and didn't know that she
was married and I love how Sam Elyt is liver is this exposition because it's he just yeah
he gives it so much weight and importance and then he fucking ripped him's throat out
because he pulled a gun on him you do not pull a gun on on the swaysmeister or you know
he might just throw a polar bear on you too or my very my very favorite inconsistency
of this movie where he's like you be nice you do this you be nice and then you still
be nice unless a guy walks in with a shoe blade in which case take you make the first
move kill that man immediately because he has a blade on his shoe that was like the I was
like okay what is Patrick Swayze's character again like I thought he had some bone of pacifism
in this but he's like literally that guy has a blade on his shoe kill him like I love I
love that too where in the camera goes right into the blade and it goes and then yeah honestly
one of my favorite moments of the entire movie I was like I cannot believe they did that like
that might as well have been like a crash zoom like yeah and I was like okay this is cartoon
level cheesy see someone in the background with a light just and then to follow that the
altercation with that guy that guy's first fucking move is to kick him yeah that's okay
come on if your first move is to kick somebody bold bold choice breaks his foot and kicks
him in the balls and drags him outside and continues to pummel pummel him until Dr. Lady
shows up in a picnic basket of a dress and then he immediately seduces her right after
kicking a bunch of ass I was like that was that was kind of a weird transition where
I was like oh she's gonna be fucking horrified by this yeah she's walking into see like who
this monster he kind of is a monster too in his own way because he's been bred within
this fucking cesspool of violence and blood and sweat and tears and you know it's he's
looked into the darkness and it's looked back you know and then but no he just walks right
up and he's like hey how'd you like they just like fuck let's go back to and and Penny's
diner oven but I don't know what that place is called and then they like close the place
down and have a have a nice meal and he keeps a man a nice sweet man from falling asleep
that's the kind of there's so many points where they just like look at this look at
how great of a guy he is absolutely yeah there's so much of that the way that he treats the
staffs you know also to Carrie Ann we haven't talked about that character the yeah I didn't
know she yeah I didn't yeah I didn't I think she actually sung that song yeah yeah she was
she was delightful you know she also added a did a lot of work to be like it's Dalton he's
killed him in man all just pumping him up every which way there's so much of her just
talking to some other person being like man it's don't look at you know look at him go
he's the best well my favorite part was when she gave the movie the female gaze like the
best like and I love having that one especially in you know in an 80s movie but when she
sees his took us roll out of her head jaw drops to the floor and she launches into the
stratosphere and then another great character moment though she brings him breakfast and
then he sits down that's he doesn't fully button his pants to he just he puts the pants
on lights a cigarette and sits down like this and then he opens a big one comes in and then
just looks at the thing he brought and she brought him and he's like it just starts drinking
the coffee this guy does not eat jelly doughnuts give me cigarettes and black coffee that's
what he runs on and Levi's god damn can you wear a pair of Levi's absolutely well yeah
I mean let's I mean we can kind of start getting to the the wrap up here because I think this
movie barrels to the end in such a escalating sort of way and I do like how it's so sad
seeing Sam Elliot's death and it really reminds me of the dark night that whole how that whole
scene goes down he flips a fucking coin doesn't tell him which one they're in two different
locations and he has to figure out which one to save like the flipping of the corn is the
two-faced incomes later but still it was like very dark nighty of that moment and but then
he finds out that you know he actually picked Sam Elliot the stabbing of the note of like
it was tails I thought that was that's just like good that's just fun movie thing like
not fun but it's such a good movie plot thing and they hit you with the little twist there
if you think oh they jumped them that's it he made it through because he's a fighter
and so he you know and then when you're not expecting it that's when they hit you with
it and so I think that's why it works is because the way it's paced to come after that scene
where he's like oh he's been jumped they tried it but he fought him off and then then you're
like alright ease you're like no he's safe he's good they're not gonna kill him and then
they did and then that really I think because of that like you feel that like inherently
as an audience you feel the way that the character in the scene is supposed to feel which is
like what no how could they do this there's like a betrayal or a shock.
Sure and I mean also there's so much work there because of Sam Elliot being the most
charismatic motherfucker around you're like just like naturally you're like protect this
man whatever it had all cause we can't lose this guy.
He's been here that long and they like talked about him like right from the beginning of
the movie because he's like even when they're trying to hire Patrick Swayze he's like you
don't want me you don't want me you want what's his face Wade Wade Garrett is whatever
it's Wade Garrett.
Wade Garrett's the best.
He's the best he's like I want you and it's like I love how there's just such a rapport
between all of them but that he makes it okay for what happens next in my mind because
you care so much for Sam Elliot and you're nice until you're not and he's not gonna
be fucking nice anymore and so he launches his Mercedes the nice car into the into the
house and that corkscrew explosion was fucking sick.
Oh sick.
Second favorite moment of the movie that you know the shotgun shooting the car.
It just blows up so fucking cool.
It sounds like a laugh out loud moment like there's no fucking way.
It's no way.
My next laugh out loud I was also laughing during that moment and my next laugh out loud
was when the second hand or it's not the second it's a guy with the shotgun that's looking
around the house for Patrick Swayze and he's freaking out and he's walking around and then
he leans down and he sees a guy with you know bloody head he's like shit.
He keeps walking like his delivery of shit was just so funny to me.
He's just shit.
He keeps going and then he's he's he's got right hand on his shotgun.
He's going right hand because the camera is facing his face like this way where his right
hands on the trigger but if you were to yes a change angle if you were to like go this
way like a different angle and the camera is going to be facing the other side where
he's not facing so what does he do?
He switches trigger finger.
He turns the corner and he switches the trigger finger so the camera can get a good look at
his face right before he gets pummeled pummeled by Swayze.
I thought I thought that was so funny.
I was cracking up at that guy's hole because he had a very Bruce Campbell look to which
I loved.
A bunch of big motherfuckers on that team man like like yeah when they first go with the
bar with the foot blade.
Yeah.
And then they got polar bear man too.
Yeah.
But that whole taking down the base I thought was a great ending really fun action the dual
fight between him and the second hand dude I thought yeah it was one of the best visually
action like climactic moments for a movie about fucking bouncers in the park like I
was like why do I care so much about what's happening this is crazy.
Oh my yeah.
Yeah.
I think I think it suffered a little bit on again on the choice of villain and the character
that they created for him that there was a final hand to hand duel between this like
legendary fighter guy and then this other guy who is really not ever established to be
a fighter of any kind you know and it's like I can understand why they gave him a gun why
they gave him a spear you know and all these things it's like that's the kind of villain
they're trying to make him as is like he brings a gun to a knife fight but or a fist fight
even but like then they actually have some hand to hand like they're like you know kind
of flopping all over the living room you know kind of brawl and had it and he clicks in
you know like there shouldn't happen.
He breaks this stick and then they're fighting you know they're hitting each other with sticks
and I feel like it's like something doesn't add up about this like I think they shot themselves
in the foot a little bit when they had him kill the lead henchman way before that because
the lead henchman was the only worthy opponent in terms of like his fist fighting and then
when they get to the final boss it's like this you know this rich douchey guy who they've
never really shown to be tough at all and it's like okay this is the big showdown he
should just not it's done you know like.
I guess my read on it was I still think he should kick his ass and it should be no contest
but it was like my read kind of that mama was that he was kind of like drained from
the last fight and then when he first comes into attack him he gets immediately fucking
shot in the arm and so kind of bleeding he's like okay I was like okay he's not at 100%
but I totally know what you mean like you could you could probably so pull it off I
thought it was funny that he just was launching spears.
Spear thing was fantastic.
I heard earlier I thought he was gonna spear him back but what did you think Evan of what
eventually happened to him of the town rising up it's it reminded me as if at the end of
it's a wonderful life the whole town was like hey everyone let's all get together and go
kill Mr. Potter okay yeah like fuck you this is our town and just murder Mr. Potter.
Yeah I thought it was every time an angel wings an angel wings and bell rings I'm sorry
I'm I've lost it I've lost the thread.
What did you think of that Evan I thought it was a it was a lovely little feel good
piece of catch it insane writing like there's no way there's no way like the whole town
was like they knew to go there that minute is like no absolutely not and I love that
the writing didn't even bother to explain it they weren't like we all came here for
this reason you know like so and so said you were here none of it they were just like we're
just breezing past it because it feels good to have the villagers be the people who killed
him I don't know it's like it's what it what is the whole movie all together right if not
kind of stupid as hell but kind of feel good because it's kind of corny and it's like you
know it's doing it's making the fun choices instead of the like good choices it's like
yeah if you right like if you have the police the police show up any sooner the movie would
be ruined because the police would show up you like wow that was a pretty big fucking
explosion maybe the FBI or someone should show up and fucking terrorism or something
I don't know like there's a big fucking explosion but no like the cops and I get that they're
under his like payroll probably he's got the cops on his side and yeah maybe there's
a liner to like throw away lines about that because they get together there's no presence
at all they get together before because once the once his neighbor explosion I can't remember
if it's either that or no it was probably the general store guy but they all get together
and they do mention like okay let's get the FBI in on this but they're like far away so
it's going to take time for them to get there so but then all of I mean I feel like I'm
like yeah I can like it's really matter it's right but what I would say is like forget
it isn't it so fun at the end of the day that it goes Duke out by the river into home alone
close quarters combat to the yeah to the boss fight and then man he can Brad Wesley can really
take some shots it was really wild that he just took a shotgun blast and then he gets
up and he's like I'm gonna still shoot you okay okay he's got to take like 10 shots to
suspend one's disbelief throughout that scene where he's still standing blast after blast
and be like but wait didn't I just see a polar bears like taxidermy take a guy out like immediately
like oh no nothing can be done about it and he's like out and granted he comes back at
the very end but through that scene I thought that man was dead I thought he was dead and
I'm like scared to death which given a size maybe but like it seemed like at that point
he just gave up is like he was looking for a reason not to fight he's like oh this is
convenient but like then the villain guy he just takes blast after blast after blast after
blast and I'm like how did they give this guy so much health points it doesn't make sense
he's like the wimpiest dude in the roughest town on earth boss battles yeah you see bad
man and Joker finding it's like Joker couldn't do that what are you talking about
for it it feels arbitrary it feels like they arbitrarily stacked his health points and it's
like how the narrative doesn't support it yeah the new patch on roadhouse I don't know
they're fucking nerf Swayze
Wesley's OP now yeah I also it cracked me the hell up that the collectively everybody in that room
because I I have a tendency to do this where I'm I'm thinking you know simultaneously about
what's happening and then I'm like man it is going to be a nightmare of the paperwork all
of the legal stuff that's going to go on like people are dead because at first you know you're
like people are getting roughed up but you know there's plenty of witnesses at the bar you know
so on and so forth like I can suspend my disbelief that you know these guys won't really go to jail
whatever but I'm like well now people are fucking dead and then the cops show up and everybody go
they're their whole thing is I didn't see anything you're like okay come on like in no world is the
cop just gonna go well I guess no one saw anything well no Brandon maybe you maybe you should watch
the new season of true detective night country and see how you like that and I have and I am not the
fan of biggest thing yeah I was gonna say if you haven't seen it skip it hard pass
but I mean that was my first thought when seeing a group of villagers be the the killer at the end
of this movie I was like oh it's kind of like in the true detective night country where they kind of
did the same shick you're in the town that kills it yeah you're in roadhouse now
I mean yeah it's so silly because if anything yeah it doesn't need to be we didn't see anything
there's just you're right in front of this guy he's dead body like what do you mean you didn't see
the detective the sheriff's gonna be like hey Bill go look in that back room there and he's like
yeah all the guns are right here the guy just walked over like two feet just put all the guns
like yeah right here like where else is he gonna put them uh those are those are those are Bradley's
but guess there's no way to know for sure you boys have a good day now this guy was paying me
lots of money he's dead now I need money you guys got money then we'll be good I mean they are very
weird it's probably Craven Sheriff you know he's you know he's he's not the best at his job so
this movie's perfect and uh it all checks out yep yeah it's all fine because the movie ends and it's
fine so before it gets bad yeah before it gets up its own ass about why it's just like yeah no let's
we'll we'll get out while the fuck you roadhouse roadhouse peace also yeah let's play some music
and roll those credits and have just them naked in the oh yeah and we just go under water to kiss
oh man I wrote woohoo in my notes on that that's a James Bond ending right there yeah it's great
oh yeah he killed the guy and now he's fucking the hottest chicken town I mean this movie's
watch on and everything I'm sure the the depth on that watch is great oh yeah absolutely
uh I was trying to look at some like other lines from my notes yeah let's go through notes
um hey vodka rocks what say you and me get nipple to nipple vodka rocks I wrote that down to
what an insane drink choice that is to me the craziest drink choice if I saw somebody order
that I would be like I don't want to be your friend like vodka on the rocks get the fuck out of
here like house vodka straight out yeah yeah I don't yeah I don't care which just give me the worst vodka
and on ice because I'm gonna sit there like at a bare minimum put some club soda in like what do
you know I'm like I can I can I can handle it if you're like an Eastern European badass who's
like I just drink shitty vodka that's fine with me I don't care but putting it on ice really
suggests you're gonna take your time yeah yeah like a nice cold shot or something that's like oh
you have your gray goose in the freezer or something then I can take a nice little shot with some caviar
great a shot in a beer okay you do a vodka shot of beer that's a normal person thing a vodka rocks
is just cuckoo bananas as shit I but yeah but what do you say we go nipple to nipple I think is
that's a pause the movie and like the captions kind of line like was that the line
there were so many zingers in this movie that it was like literally I feel like they were just
they were just throwing shit at the wall like we're gonna our goal with this movie our primary
motivation and why did you want to make a movie rowdy and or whatever his name is and he's like
I just want to make a movie to get to I want to I want to come up with 100 zingers 200 zingers I
want to I want to have a movie that people say the lines from it and then they just row line after
line after line like before somebody leaves a room they turn and they say a thing and it's like
haha but then there was so many that were just whack that were just so weird to say
and there was a handful where there was like comebacks like the one I forget what the setup
line was but waysies comeback to the line is fuck you oh yeah I love that you remember that
fuck you Wesley like come back is just fuck you fuck you it's like that's the line oh yeah that
was like at the end it was the duel because it was he says something kind of like the the second
hand guy kind of says something a little bit more like epic he says prepare to die and then he's like
yes and then Swayze what does he say you're such an asshole you're such an asshole
it's like that where I'm like and then he's like nah whatever I feel like those lines are placeholder
lines that they never got around to change it like they're like something to the effect of
you're an asshole we'll get back we'll get back to it later and then they just left it in
oh like a percent like in parentheses like an expression that that says fuck you or like yeah
not an actual line meaning you there was this one line that Sam Elliott says because somebody
asked him like it's one of those like does a bear shit in the woods he says this is a hobby
horse have a wooden dick yeah yeah huh no grizzly atoms have a name what's the score here
grizzly atoms did have a beard hobby horses do have wooden dicks
some company that they could put that was their thing they're like we're a joke company you know
we have fun here we put dicks on our hobby horses what it's like that thing implies what that
implies is like someone's looking at the hobby horse and being like hmm I wonder if that thing
doesn't have a wooden dick right yeah and who would ever think that who would or a hypothesis
or that the entire construction of a hobby horse is just those two components yeah you know it's
it's the head and then it's a pole uh-huh like the Trojan horse right that's where they hit a lot
of guys in that part isn't like people like a hobby horse isn't designed to be a horse necessarily
it's just a term you use because it kind of looks like one so yeah again why why would the hobby
it's one of those no shit questions but it's such a banana's no shit question
well yeah and honestly it's it's a no shit question in its design and its grammar right it's like
you could say anything with that intonation as a response and we can intuit that that's what you
mean is of course yes but like the the thing he said was odd there's no need I made it more
difficult and harder to understand but also then we're he kind of also has a dick thing going on
and then later he gets called he gets called dickless and then he punches the guy and I didn't
write it down but says something to the effect of like I'm not gonna let you see my dick or something
you know oh yeah and just a lot of dick stuff coming out of Sam Elliott yeah yeah there's
there's a weirdness to some of the lines in this where it's like it doesn't feel like it was edited
you know it doesn't feel like it was checked more than once for quality or just like what the zingers
are like going for numbers a number of zingers and it's a very masculine movie and but they have
these lines that are that question like what they term masculinity because like they like what is it
it's like one of them's like I expected you to come in with your balls in a dump truck or something
yeah yeah yeah because your balls are so big and it's like yeah because guys have fucking big balls
so big they put them in a dump truck and it's like it's like a fucking 11 year old coming up with a
line of like oh yeah that guy is so fucking cool and balls are so big put up a dump truck
well also too I don't think the size of your balls is a one-to-one so you're like how much come you
out I don't know if I'm wrong out there but I don't know if that's exactly how it works oh like you
mean that oh you're thinking that like his balls are so big like the line is saying that like you
could actually come in a dump truck the line is the line is like no that is not what I thought but
they are carrying the dump truck is carrying the balls Brandon oh not like a wheelbarrow would be
a no yeah like Randy from South Park South Park yeah I feel like a dump truck is also weird
because of the scale uh-huh they're tall they're very it's hard to picture it'd be impractical
even if you had that kind of requirement even if you had a need for that yeah it's you know that
yeah I just don't understand the line I feel like the line if I was like working on the script and
somebody threw that line out I would just be like can we think of something else could there's got to
be something else that we could use there instead and then he just has vague responses because his
responses that to that is opinions vary yeah it's like what okay they came up with a line they didn't
know how to respond to the line but they'll at all stayed in for it feels like it no go ahead oh no
I was just I was gonna barrel through some more lines but what were we gonna say I was gonna say
that this movie feels like it's confident that it's one of those quotable movies
to to the extent that they I think they think they're getting away with a lot of it like
the movie thinks it's tombstone it thinks that it's like the dialogue is so yeah yeah every line is
like this fuck you line and it's it's really not good enough at that to be doing that yeah it's
it does kind of take the air out of the villain or like whoever is like trying to rival him or stand
up to him and he just like kind of gives like a throwaway line I get that like that's kind of a
cool like yeah John McClane or or even a western or something like that like it's oh this guy just
doesn't care but they fall back on that well so much that it and eventually starts to seem like
it's lazy like they don't actually know how to write a good line of like addressing and expounding
expanding upon that right like for a full on the action you think you'd get into it a bit more
in the actors studio you might ask somebody well what would your character say given that he just
said that what might you say it's almost like they don't do that at all they're like okay now a zinger
and then he says this and then zinger zinger zingers it's like the zinger requirement is the headline
right yeah because I mean which is apparent overall in this film once we start getting we're
getting close to our overall you know feelings of this and people's reviews but I mean more often
than not they chose fun over like serious you know making a serious movie right and I kind of
commended for it you know it's like yeah I like when we're having fun I love that yeah you know
what it's about momentum yeah it's you could spend more time like harping on those things
but it might take the sales out of uh yeah the momentum of it yeah yeah I agree I think I have
to commend something for doing a stupid thing with all of its heart you know like we're gonna
make a stupid action movie and we're really actually just gonna do it and we're gonna do it really
damn well and like the fight scenes and the we're gonna put so much effort into it that like
that's the main thing it's like yeah I commend them for that I was like we're just gonna do our
stupid thing and we're gonna go at it 100% with no self-awareness or like like self critique or
holding back or hedging of like maybe we need it to be more than it is you know it's like
Patrick Swayze is a fucking god like his character is like a god in this movie like the way that it's
he's shot and the way that he's handled and everything like just yeah just carry carries
everything I'll try to do speed round of some of my my notes they change for a great fuck to
for a great bewek I thought that was pretty funny yeah he says he says good to see you to a blind
guy and the blind guy says same here sorry but if that's rude but I thought that was kind of fun
like putting an elevator in an outhouse just doesn't belong
trustees of modern chemistry was a fun way of saying like
like they're just two nouns combined to elicit a specific response that's like the most like
philosophy 101 sort of take on that what if she calls my mama horror is she is she
I love this guy is an EQ is like the Wesley guy does that at some point that was kind of funny
um something I have that blew me away is in the in the strip club where Sam Elliott is working
when we meet him the army guys have oozy squirt guns yeah because it was changed from a wet t-shirt
contest to a wet g-string contest and I guess those squirt guns for were for the to make things wet
but why they were oozy's and holy shit yeah that was that's intense that was that was a move
but I love that Sam Elliott is just like living the dream brother
there's a monster truck in this movie that's such an 80s thing too and it like
destroys I love that they made use I mean that check off monster trucks like they brought it in
and you're like that better do some smashing and boy does it boy howdy the cardio didn't
have a line though he just kept looking at him like yeah but then he kept asking me like would
ask him questions like you have insurance right you'd be like a poor guy I don't know what to say
featured extra he didn't get a line at all no no lines no yeah lots of kicks that's an other 80s
thing my kicks and Levi's is very Chuck Norris uh Benny's and bloodies that's what Wesley's
eating at one point that's my food truck idea is Benny's and bloodies he's got a he's got a
ex-bent Benny and a bloody Mary's hey you want a bloody Mary for breakfast come on
Roadhouse Blues he plays by the doors that was fun because we just talked about the doors recently
he's on the rocking chair when he's brooding I thought that was funny he's watching the
fuck and he's like drinking and smoking on his rocking chair it's so great that's such a good
villain move I that's so stupid um play something with balls when he's gonna fight with the pool
stick he does the whole like pool stick like intro of like a choose your fighter pool stick man
put your to do and he does his whole thing and I'm in this movie too yeah a lot of knives and
a lot of nice boots but just like crocodile dandy kind of knives the one the bartender guy comes
back and he's got a fucking bowie like a big bowie knife like he's ready he's crazy like right
there in the office he's like I'm hired also you're dying tonight when he's Sam Elliott catches
catches the punch from Swayze they were like this close to making out and I would have loved that
plot turn oh wow of them just the bad just turning into the next part of the movie
yeah prepare to die you're such an asshole I like the fight editing I used to fuck guys like you
in prison was quite the line that's a singer quite the line this guy is deranged that's how you know
uh he's no and then he throws his body across the river and he just yells Wesley fuck you
as like his friend's body I'm like how does the how does the henchman get lines like that and then
Swayze's got lines like fuck you all right come on man come on and then the tails again when he
stabs him that was great um yeah see you found my trophy room only thing missing is your ass
lots of leg kicks he talks like even a tall guy you kick him right in the fucking leg
yeah which we talked about yeah I like how the movie teaches you something
yes you know that's like if you take away one thing from this movie it's that one move like
they they almost illustrate it to an instructional level where there's close up above the knee it's
like you should hit him about here you know and they show it working time and time again you know
yep so I love that it comes with a practical self-defense tip I do I gotta give it a little
point for that me too I could sit in on a session with Swayze yeah waxing poetic about about being
a cooler uh for for a few sessions I think that'd be interesting especially in the bar setting
uh I feel like we've gone in depth on a movie that maybe even as they made it they didn't expect
people to like pick apart as this so it's like it's fun to go into those little nooks and crannies
of it all but at the end of the day yeah I do think it is that that momentum that carries it
through all these heinous sort of ideas of like starting in a silly place but then ending in yeah
explosions and mobsters and and and all of this stuff is uh something that you could describe
to somebody and they'd be I don't know I think anyone would have a different reaction to even
the description of what this movie's about makes sense why it's polarizing because you hear about
this you'd be like I'm not sure if I'm gonna like that uh even watching this the second time I wasn't
sure if I was gonna hold up to me um but let's get into some of our ideas and thoughts about it
and some scores after we talk about some audiences and critics scores before that I'm gonna take a
little little break right here and we'll be right back. Welcome back everybody let's check out some
critic reviews from Ron Tomatoes reminder on the score it is a 41% from the critics let's see what
they have to say from Sheila Benson from the Los Angeles Times but in deep roadhouse country and
the undefined made crassly visible there isn't a whiff of romance anywhere any more than there's a
single jot of common sense disagree let's go there's at least romance the whole middle section
of this movie I would argue is all about the romance yeah I don't think that you can you can
accurately say that there isn't a romantic plot in the mood there there is I mean it's not it's not
particularly nuanced you know what I mean it's a very like beach read you know steamy like it's
very like sappy and like over the top but like it is what it is you know it is bro man I'm sure
people at the time thought it was super hot you know like yeah yeah yeah uh Jean Siskel
road you gave it a two out of four roadhouse is startling because of the intensity of its
violence and because of Swayze's mindless posturing well from Jonathan Rosenbaum Chicago reader
eventually mutates into a paranoid revenge plot that might be called walking short
instead of walking tall oh a zinger of his own there yeah Jonathan Rosenbaum come on
man just going after his height Jesus Christ yeah yeah body be gotta be telling um Peter Travers
Rolling Stone their grotesque soon drowns out the giggles too gross not enough giggles
for Peter Travers for Roger Ebert he said this is not a good movie viewed in the right frame of
mind it is not a boring one either there it is you know you know strong agree yes yeah he knows
we'll do one more from Hal Henson Washington Post wrote house lays out its story with the subtlety of
a wrestling match and probably with less sharpness or savvy we'll check out some audience reviews
here and the five star range uh from Wes five stars on letterbox this movie could kill a Victorian
era child maybe because it's stimulus I think just showing them like what this movie is they
would just would not make sense and give them like an aneurysm or something all right since when are
we protecting Victorian era children from stuff what is that well this this guy liked the movie I
think he was just saying that it was very stimulating or like all the and all the it's so it's so much
of its time it would destroy someone else of a different time but if I feel like if I saw a
movie in the future I'd be like all right but they don't even know what a movie is I guess in the
picture I mean at a point it's like any movie is gonna rock their world yeah so I feel like
Victoria era children were kind of dying left and right I mean it really isn't that hard can you
imagine if they had make a wish foundation and you could bring back a roadhouse to a Victorian
era child for the last thing before they die of the plague from groove man five stars should be a
guilty pleasure yet I have no guilt in loving this film it also has hilariously bad lines like I
used to fuck guys like you in prison classic the Jeff Hewley band is great also the perfect midnight
movie oh yeah from some sorry apologize for what you like oh no don't don't feel yeah don't feel
the guilt you just just love just pleasure no guilt from sonic temple five stars some people have
a god I have a roadhouse wow okay okay Brian s spittia aspicia a movie five stars a movie that
only asks you to believe in the power of blue jeans rock and roll and Patrick Swayze's magnificent hair
yeah that's fair it's a fair assessment and we'll do one more from Angelica Jade bastion
five stars pain don't hurt god damn Patrick Swayze was such a loss that still hurts roadhouses a
movie that couldn't easily not work but somehow it does operating as silly in terms of the actual
plan paper but as it's played so sincerely wrought and has such a commitment to cinematic pleasure
it works beautifully Swayze's performance is vite virile yet gentle and kind and open in ways we
do not see that much within the major male stars these days I've always heard this film talked
about so jokingly in a loving way but I love this much so much more than I expected in no small part
because of the approachable grit and care of the tone the physicality of its star the sheer amount
of hell yeah moments a delight Angelica loved it uh yeah so I I mean I could imagine this movie
coming out at the time and plenty of critics rolling their eyes and I think you know in that brief
little sampling of right there you could see uh then just kind of like okay this is even I imagine
like going in before it like not on board it was cool to see uh Ibra at least understand that it was
watchable and that's something that's going to be I think a part of my review is is the watchability
of it all sure um do you guys have any read on on those kind of dividing reviews and and why they
disagree audiences and critics yeah I mean my take is just that it's like this movie is uh
this movie is silly and if you're looking at this from with a critical eye
you would get bogged down in things needing to make more sense than they actually need to
and I think this movie proves that things don't really need to make a whole lot of sense
and it gets from point A to point B pretty well so I easily understand why this movie has become a
cult classic as framing it as a midnight movie this is a great midnight movie it's got it's got
I mean it's got the things that you want in a midnight movie you know so yeah I haven't
any other thoughts on on the reviews and then if you want to get into your final thoughts in a review
uh zero one out of 100 for your zero zero out of 100 zero three so many options yeah there's
so many options on that scale uh I guess I'll just start by saying I completely understand
all of the reviews you know across the board I think the good ones and the bad ones I think
it's all correct you know like person yeah I don't think it's like I think maybe Ebert's review
goes closest to how I feel about it's like is it good no of course it's not good it's shitty it's
a shitty movie that's really poorly written I think it's like I think the critics hate it because
it's like from a craft standpoint if you're looking at movies all day and like the things that make
movies movies and you're like well there's there's character there's plot there's the script there's
sort of all these things it's like you know like the critics are people who they watch really good
movies and they write about them for a living so they're coming at it from just too educated of a
perspective to give this points you just can the the script is too flawed they make too many mistakes
or too many decisions that like you know that's what the character of the movie is is like yeah
they just made the fun choice instead of the good choice a lot of the time that's just what they did
so I get it I get the dichotomy there and I think that if you're an audience it's like
it is it is kind of a hell yeah kick-ass fun midnight type movie where you're like you know if
you're if you're looking at it as a as a vehicle for fun it's like well this delivers whether you
think it's good or not I think it's like you can watch the movie and be like hell yeah brother
even if you're laughing at it yes because like for me that is the that is the sensibility of
like watching a movie like this it's ironic it's it's eagles of death metal it's the whole like
it's a boot scootin gene wearing rock and roll in movie and it's like it's this corny almost like
it's almost like a drag performance or it's like a caricature of a masculine it's like the idea of
it is like this is so 80s macho man stupid and that's like the whole idea and so like I don't know
like it's hard to see it in a modern context and not see it with that camp lens of like this has
got to be funny on purpose right it's got to be silly and kind of almost lampooning masculinity
in that way but then again I think my personal read on the movie is that what I'll knock it for
is it doesn't go as far as it should in that direction I would love to see this premise
but with Sam Elliott as the lead and he never throws a punch you know what I'm saying like I
want to actually see an action movie philosopher guy who refuses to fight like who they actually
take that all the way like I would love to see a hero who goes into a bar in order is a black coffee
but then this hero it's like they still have him drink with his friends because it's like it's
America in the 80s and it's like buddy you don't say no to a beer you know what I mean they can't
have him be weird in any way or be out of the normal in any meaningful way they'll give it lip
service like he's a philosophy NYU student but at the same time he works in a bar and he's like a
truck driving man you know like he's not really that guy the script says he is but he's not really
that and I think all of the positive reviews that say that it's Swayze's performance that saves it I
agree with that that I think you can see in in his acting and his performance that like he does bring
a certain like well-roundedness or like an authentic like pensiveness to the role which at times does
feel like he's giving it more than it deserves as an actor like he's actually trying really hard at
this movie that's pretty stupid on paper and I think that all of that combines to be like that's
kind of what the magic is in it or why it holds up even though it is so of its time and so dated
and its sensibilities I think that's literally the reason it holds up is because of Swayze and
because of the way he delivers it is like there's something to that even though on paper it isn't
there so I would say how I feel about the movie is like craft-wise on paper as a script it's just
terrible it's irredeemably full of holes it's just it's just found in it and on so many dialogue
parts it's like the construction the architecture of this movie is awful but then there's some
moments where it does well there's some moments where the formula works and I have to hand it to
it for being fun even if it's not good and like I said earlier I have to give them credit for doing
a fun thing wholeheartedly or a stupid thing wholeheartedly I do see that and acknowledge that so
all in all I would say this movie for me has to land somewhere in the middle between good and bad
I want to say maybe 50 I'd give it a 50 out of 100 where I think it's perfect it's not good it's
not good at all it's not a good movie in any way but there are some things that are kind of charming
about it and some things that are really fun about it even if it's stupid as hell yeah and I don't
think that you can really I don't think anybody can be right about the movie you know what I mean it
is bad and good at the same time so I gotta say 50 yeah your your summations and now I'm getting
flashbacks over the last episode two are just the best man right so it's so hard to follow that
that because that's that's you understand so wholeheartedly what the movie is and then you're
able to give your opinion on it too and I think that is the most in-depth lukewarm response that
you could ask for ask for a movie because you're like right down the middle but I'm going to tell
you why you know because and all those reasons make complete sense because you're like I'm gonna
you're gonna bump it up a bit even though you know it's not good just because you know the yeah
there's there's something there so I completely respect that take on it um should I jump into
this brandini yeah go for it yeah yeah this is this is one where I'm getting flashbacks almost
like to in how you responded right there to our more recent and I don't expect anyone else to
have listened to it but we did this movie called things to do in Denver when you're dead and I
spoke with brandini and our past guest Danny about it and they had a real serious level of
enjoyment for the movie that carried them through the finish line to giving it an overall good
score for my memory and for me I feel like I was a little bit more on the on ebb and side of about
that movie where I was like I get why the enjoyment is there but for me it didn't really work as as
much and this is one where I'm gonna go the direction that you guys went on that movie
uh where you enjoyed a lot I really enjoyed my time with this movie I had a lot of fun with it I
thought uh it held up a lot because the the first time I watched I believe you know we're big
movie podcast guys obviously so me and brandini I think had watched it maybe once uh for how did
this get made when they talked about it a lot of fun listening to them their commentary on it and
everything too but it kind of went out of my brain coming into it and having my own thoughts about
it was this movie as I said has a momentum I'm able to look outside of it and not as Evan said
like look at the encoded message I'm able to decode it and look at it outside of itself and laugh
at it not with it in many instances um and now I hold it up as almost a relic of prime time
fucking Patrick Swayzey uh doing what he does best and for an action movie I was completely taken in
with all the action in this movie like the brawl fights and everything the bar brawl fights were
like easy to follow the action in all the chaos uh and seeing a lot of guys just kicking each other
legs and blue in blue jeans uh was something that just was just was working for me and it there was
always like between all of the narrative which I agree is structured and plotted like that shit I
understand like it's it's a bad shit thing but they are very smart about instilling almost like
every I don't know 10 15 minutes they would be like okay we're gonna go back to a night at the bar
and you get and you get a night at the bar and you get a little bit of plot there too but it's like
he's got to go back and work a shift you know and in in the midst of falling in love and going to
fix his car and everything and it's it's not all like for as big of the stakes that eventually grow
like not a lot also happens in this movie either like he goes into town and he tries to fix a bar
up like that's really what it's about and then the stakes get so high that I find that hilarious
that it ends up being a mob thing and all the villager all the villagers it has that feel to
but all the people like come and you know rectify things is such a deeper plot element that this
movie almost like doesn't deserve to have but it does and it goes there and that's like a classic
B movie thing too of making these big swings and this movie makes big swings with the small premise
I'm gonna give it a fucking I'm gonna give it a fucking 85 hell yeah I had a great time with
this movie I had an 85% enjoyment level and I understand it's not maybe it's not like that
high of a movie like in as a movie but as an experience it's an 85% experience for me on you
brandy me I won't be labor the points that have been made really my overall feeling about this
movie is I think it's fucking rocks I think for what it what the objective of a movie like this
is it nails it it's pretty consistently has action in it it's got your goofy one-liners
it's got the pretty girl I also like yeah I like the that it tries to be different whether it's
actually successful you know with don't hold philosophy of luck you know in life and whatnot
I just have such a good time watching this movie I could put this movie on
whenever and just watch it it's rips this oh so anyways I'm not gonna keep just gushing over
this movie I'm gonna give it 89% hell yeah hell yeah I love that we got polarized we polarized
on the pod so there's only 11 and 15% respectively here that a movie could be between this and the
best possible thing a movie can be yes correct uh-huh so if it were only 15 or 11% better
no movie ever made could top this movie my enjoyment level yeah what's another 85%
movie for me let me think what's what's one that's gotten 85 what that I would give in an 85%
that's that's come out recently this is like as good as like I don't know across the spider
versus pretty fun that was like I'm like I'm having a good time this narrative and superheroes like
we're like this is like a fun movie I don't know that might be an 85 a roadhouse across the spider
versus same level of movie man I feel like you had another 15% you know you get like Jurassic Park
we're back to the future right yeah it's in striking this okay do you this is maybe a tough
question on the spot but do you have like an 85% enjoyment level for the movie yeah well so it's
interesting because I feel like for for both of you guys you prize your own enjoyment of the movie
quite highly and it's rated I decided to go that direction this time I don't always do but this one
is it's tough to deny the enjoyment level for me because I think that my enjoyment level would
have been much higher than my rating sure yeah do you want to rank that as well uh yeah I would say
I'd give it a 70 70 out of 100 for it did I enjoy watching it yeah of course now we're talking you
know like it was fun it was fun I think that's but I think that's why you completely get your 50%
too like I totally I totally get that score and I just don't break my own yeah I wouldn't too yeah
just don't value my own subjective opinion of it as like is it good or not I don't know I to me it's
like that's only one piece of the puzzle it's hit or miss for me yeah there's there's yeah like that's
why I had to bring up that things to do in Denver thing like I had a good time with Brandon watching
that together but I would probably never watch it again and it was like sure yeah it was upsetting
in ways that through the camp out the window this one is just just floats above the surface of everything
and just cuts through the the heart of me I don't know it just uh it gets me gets me where it counts
is like just a yeah action movie hey you want to watch a big dumb action movie like boom road
house is on that list and speaking of lists I got a little game for us today before we wrap up
it's the guess that rank game I am going to give you some lists on this website called
rancor.com that road house is featured on it's up to you guys to guess what number on the list
this road house falls upon these these lists that I'm giving you and then where it lies upon them uh
if that explanation makes any sense if it doesn't we'll find out very soon you'll get it once I
started uh listen off some lists here so we're gonna start with Evan if you want to go first you
want to go first or second I'll go first so road house was put on the top movies of 1989 the list
of the top movies of 1989 there are 83 movies on that list I want you to tell me what rank
does road house come in out of 83 movies of 1989 and if you go over it does not count I'm doing
prices right rules prices right rules okay um damn okay so 83 is the the link to the list of
1989 one being the best 83 being the worst correct man real opportunity miss opportunity to not make
it 89 movies I mean no that's no right with the very yeah that guy got fired another list making
guy at that um okay let's see well who made who made the list I mean that's a question on
on this ranker website I should pull up the rules of this oh the website so this is a recent
it's not in 1989 they know this is uh this is this website ranker and people up vote and down vote
vote certain movies I'm not sure how they compile how many get to be on the list but there are voting
systems by people and there's a and they vote them up or down okay um I have I'm gonna go with
number seven final answer number seven final answer oh okay I'm gonna say 12 12 brandini
you are one off and it's number 13 that was an excellent guess and you get a fucking point wow
sure enough hot here one off that was amazing kind of 83 that's impressive all right so we're
moving on to our next category brandini you're gonna be first on this one this is best movie
soundtrack period all time best movie soundtrack this is on the list wow of 99 movies which what's
the ranking for roadhouse for best movie soundtrack uh 88 88 what's the total number on the list 99
god damn it I was I'm you know I'm gonna stick with my gut says 84 84
it's gonna go to you Evan it is a 61 actually I guess both of you guys go over so no no points
either way I just realized we're doing price right prices right rules overrated overrated
should we just X and A on the prices right rules yeah yes mm-hmm let's do it you get a point I did
notice I did notice on the the credits that Jimmy iovine was the music supervisor was he really
movie and I was like how'd they get all those tracks and I was like that's how they got all those
tracks yeah damn easy that that prod pod yeah podcast is really gotta talk about that uh
we'll go on to our next category Evan this is going to you first this category is the most
impressive finishing move in a movie and this one goes to of course the throat rip so out of 15
movies with good finishing moves most impressive finishing moves what is the throat rip rank on this
list of 15 I mean this this would rank highly for me I'm gonna say maybe third best finishing move
okay excellent I'm gonna say six Brandon you fucking nailed it my friend whoa it's number six
wow I'm on fire you're out of control you're hot you know your roadhouse man someone's got to put
them out oh wow that blew my mind I I almost feel like I gotta get double points or something but
I never established those rules so sorry buddy um we got a two to one brandini lead let's move on
it's best out of best three out of five by the way if I did not mention that uh this next list is
bad movies that are actually good oh okay what does this movie rank out of 20 this goes to brandini
I think yes so out of 20 one being best 20 being 20th best I'm gonna go seven seven
to you Evan best bad movies that are actually good
yeah 11 or maybe they're just maybe good to begin with 11 out of 20 it is actually
number two it is high up there wow how about that it is actually good a good movie is what people
say yeah all right so brandini uh three to one I think that's gonna do I have one more category
if you guys want to go all in do it oh it's double or nothing double or nothing yeah everything or
nothing uh last last list is last category is dramatic movie one liners that don't make any sense
and god this belongs on this line in the list for a roadhouse is pain don't hurt
pain doesn't hurt I think that's all yeah I think that's
this you gotta say who goes first before I get uh wait it was Evan brand
Evan brand Evan so Evan yeah you go you go first on this one out of 12 Dalton saying pain don't hurt
I think I think that's the line is the reason this this list was made
I think it's number one I think they made a list so they could put this movie on it
excellent I'm gonna say five five well this puts me in a big pickle here guys and this is where
I'm actually gonna call the game a tie because it is number three wow right so that's so we'll call
it a tie yeah yeah okay you guys split the diff well I wonder what number one is should we see what
number one is yeah love story give some weird advice with love means never having to say you're sorry
I never heard of love story but apparently there's a line that says love means never having to say
you're sorry that does seem toxic that's weird yeah that is weird doesn't hold up number two is a CIA
operative claims my face is my warrant in Transformers age of extinction wow wow that's
excellent with a fun list all right uh well gg you tie ball game uh this is one of my favorite
episodes I think we've done for the podcast and I think that goes uh a large part so you Evan you
you're just an amazing yes you can you offer true insight into how movies are made uh from
somebody who knows a lot about it and I appreciate you taking your time uh in a different time zone
to join us and uh go through a discussion of a pretty silly movie no matter how you would rank
it so maybe next time we'll get get you on like uh I don't know maybe like a weird like artsy indie
movie or something yeah something different you know I love that you guys uh it pushed me out of
my comfort zone I mean I feel like the only reason I would ever watch Roadhouse 1989 with Patrick
Swayze is literally before this and so homework amazing yeah and now I feel like I know just a
little bit more about the world right and you know all of the yeah about all of culture and I this
movie would have missed me entirely I'm not gonna see the remake you know like it's yeah I'm just
there's just it's not my genre but like doing this podcast gives me an excuse to like really and I
think what's really fun about it is like even if I don't think the movie is good I still think the
experience is great of watching a movie and like talking it to death and like thinking about it and
like I love the I love it so thanks for having me on I feel the exact same way my possibly my least
favorite movie ever is splice I think that's like my least favorite movie ever and we talked about it
on this podcast and I it was cathartic it was very cathartic for me because I was able to get some
shit out of like how I felt about it and like let other people know like this happened and no one
really said anything at the time this fucking happened we need to talk about it it's not okay
because that movie's not okay it needs to go to jail we have a whole list going but
the next movie that we will be doing will be a departure it will be a movie from 2007
it will be a comedy musical it would be in the comedy musical category it's a little
dating called walk hard the dewy cock story and it is a polarizing feature according to rotten
tomatoes the critics gave it a certified fresh it has a little certified fresh symbol of 75
and then the audience gives it a 57 a palindrome of a movie scoring 75 to 57 if you will
I don't know if numbers have palindromes if you haven't seen the walk hard dewy cock story
make sure you do before our next ep I think it'll be a good one we'll have a great guest for that
as well we've been spoiled with a good guess what can I say and it'll be a fun one to do after the
doors which was a straight serious rock biopic and this is a making fun of that essentially
yeah but I've had a blast today this is uh this has been the perfect movie for the pod
hope you guys have enjoyed yourselves if you want to see us live on twitch.tv slash polarize pod
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