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Welcome everybody to the polarized podcast.

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This is a podcast.

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Well, you probably already knew this, but this is what you probably didn't know.

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It's always everybody's first time listening to a podcast episode.

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So if it's your first time or not, regardless, I'm going to say this.

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This podcast is about polarizing movies, polarizing movies in the sense of rotten

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tomato scores.

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So sometimes critics love it.

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Sometimes audiences hate it or vice versa based on the rotten tomato scores.

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Those are the movies that we talk about on this podcast today.

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We got quite the movie.

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It's 1991's The Doors by Oliver Stone, starring Val Kilmer.

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The scores for this is a stinky 56 by the critics and a pretty good score by the

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audience is 79%.

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I am not going to be.

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Well, there's going to be actually two Jays.

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In this episode, one of the Morrison variety and one of my co-host variety.

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I would like to introduce him now.

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Mr. James Sency.

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Hey, hello.

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How are you?

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Yeah.

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I'm a little James.

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Hello.

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How are you, brandini?

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Today.

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I'm a little James.

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Hello.

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How are you, brandini?

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Today.

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Ready to talk about an Oliver Stone, Jim Morrison movie.

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Another Kyle McLaughlin.

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I know we're on a streak.

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I was I'm glad you brought that up off the rib because yeah, if anybody hasn't

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listened to our podcast before, like I said, it's always everybody's first time.

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We just recently did Dune and so we're kind of on a little.

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Dune.

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Dune.

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We're in a little bit of a kick.

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Yeah, there you go.

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Okay.

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Now we don't we were promised a pretty light on the soundboard.

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But yeah, if need be, if need be, they'll be back.

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So James.

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The doors.

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The band, the movie.

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Yeah, the objects.

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Let's talk about the the the poetic concept by William Blake on to get out of

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Huxley. Yes. Okay. If you want to go down, which one we do, which one we do it?

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You know what? We can lightly entertain all of it. I mean, we, you know what?

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We are the masters of our own destiny on this podcast.

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So you know what? Whatever you're feeling, my guy.

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Yeah, let's talk music. Let's suck the band a bit.

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Let's let's talk tunes. Let's talk tunes, man.

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So I'll ask you first and then I'll go second.

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What is your relationship with the band?

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The doors. The big band, the doors. The doors was, yeah, like a band early on as in

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my childhood knew their big songs, but probably didn't really know much beyond

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that. And I think it was until like high school that I had a friend.

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I believe it was Tomas, my friend Tomas in high school was a big doors fan and

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started burning me.

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Some CDs. If you guys all know what that is, you tell.

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You're listening to us in 3024. CD burning was a thing.

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I was trying to, I think you either have like the poster or like a shirt or

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something of like the classic photo shoot of Jim Morrison.

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That's portrayed in this movie as well.

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You're a monkey. Jim dance.

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You're a monkey. Jim dance.

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But yeah, the shirtless one.

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I think it's a little bit of a, a little bit of a, a little bit of a

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dance. You're a monkey. Jim dance. Jim dance. But yeah, the shirtless one.

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He had that at his place and it was just like, and had a lot of reverence for

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Jim Morrison. And really like the song love me two times.

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Wait, can I just stop you real quick?

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That is so funny that you made that connection to Austin Powers because

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the photographer in the scene you're talking about is the mother of, of

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what's her face in the first Austin.

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I was thinking a zoo lander, but Austin Powers awesome powers.

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Awesome powers. That's a great photo shoot.

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Oh God, I'm mixing it up. My bad. My bad.

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No, continue. What was, what was the connection?

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The connection was the photographer in this that is shooting doing the

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photo shoot for that picture that you're talking about being on your shirt

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plays the mother of, of what's her face?

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Elizabeth Hurley's mother.

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And then he's back back in the nineties.

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in Austin Powers, which was really funny to me because of them being cast kind

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of because of thing performances like this or being in movies like this,

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where they portray people in these time periods that Austin Powers is like,

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that's where he comes from.

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But anyways, continue sure with Tomas.

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If I were to be like typecast to be like period cast and like the 70s, 60s, 70s,

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I would be a happy camper as an actor.

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I feel like we're like, Oh cool.

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I get just get to be on these fun sets and interesting clothes and hair and

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everything.

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You know, you get probably get some mutton chops pasted on you every now and

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then.

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But to continue with my interest in the doors, I think that's where I started

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to get more into like them as like an albums and their work together.

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And that was also around the time I was really trying to my like trying to get

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more and more into playing keyboard and the piano and everything because that

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was something that like I want want to play guitar when I first was growing up

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and my mom got me keyboard and said like you should learn to play piano first.

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cool.

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I was like, I can't think of any like I was young and stupid.

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I didn't know anyone besides a classical music that like was cool piano music or

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whatever, you know, and rock and roll music that have like awesome piano and

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keyboard and that kind of stuff.

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It's starting to get into the doors and hearing Ray Manzor Rick, I think that's

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And hearing his organ solos blew my fucking mind in like the long form, not

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radio edits of, you know, like my fire and stuff like that and hearing his

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solos and all that was just like, wow, you can you can construct a whole rock

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pop, even, you know, trippy psychedelic experimental sort of like whatever you

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want to do.

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And it was all really constructed around that instrument, the organ and on top

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of, you know, of course, Jim Morrison's voice and his lyrics, but the those

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songwriting and the and the music and the instrumentals was constructed around

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that the organ and him playing that.

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So that really turned me on a lot as well.

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And I think made me nerd out over them even more so and then to see the stage

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presence and the poetry of Jim Morrison fueled inspiration for me as well.

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Just I think as a young 20 something or even high school, you know, immature

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guy trying to become mature.

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It was like the perfect it's the perfect time to get into the doors, I feel like

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in that kind of stuff.

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And I was really trying to like get into the classics before I moved on to

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modern music and all that.

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And you're trying to understand what came first before you start moving to what

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came next.

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And I was pretentious little kid as I am now.

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and roll.

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And so a lot of Beatles and the who and Brit, Brit rock and stuff around that

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time.

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But the doors was something different where it played with the maniacal and

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the and the lot of minor and dark stuff.

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And a different kind of sonic bass with that organ.

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But yeah, stuff stuff that would just like make me laugh and have a good time

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like the like the whiskey song, you know, like, well, someone please show me to

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the next whiskey bar.

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And it's like so maniacal and and jumpy like it's and he's like a ringleader

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and some of the some of those songs and all of that's and crooning as well and

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the bridge of that that song as well is is something that influenced my musical

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taste moving forward.

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And I wanted to find more kind of weird stuff like that.

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And yeah, it's been something that's been ever present in my life.

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But I think that was when that was when it hit me the hardest is that music.

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And it's always every now and then I'll go back and be like, oh, I want to listen

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to people are strange or or whatever.

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And I think my my vocal register sometimes like hits like that.

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Some like he sings like three notes and some of some of the songs.

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I love it because it's just like the you can do that lower voice register and

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sing along and have a have a good time.

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And he has some fun lyrics to sing along to.

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So that's my long rant about it all big inspiration at a time in my life where

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I was trying to find my own identity in music and art and to see someone so free

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supported by extra men.

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Excellent instrumentation and the layer of free for all sort of stage presence

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and beautiful lyrics and it was such such a cool combo.

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But yeah, but also while at the same time, like there's other bands that for

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sure like I like more than them.

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But yeah, of course, of course, like I'm a lot.

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But how about you, Brandini?

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What's what's your history?

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Are there any big hit songs, big hit moments in your life that you're like

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when I hear the song, I think of this or anything like that.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So the anytime I listen to people are strange.

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I think of my dad because he would play it often growing up and was a big door

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stand.

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And there were many nights driving, you know, back home from the beach.

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This is so Cal so Cal kid.

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We would go to the beach often in the summers and there were just many

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nights driving home that I, you know, he would have people are strange.

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He would also quoted to me often in my life.

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You know, just it was kind of a mantra of his that people are strange when

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you're a stranger.

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It just really connected with him that overall band connected with him

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outside of Steely Dan.

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I would say the doors probably up there as being one of his favorite bands.

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And so pretty.

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I'm not too familiar with albums because my dad was cracks me up thinking

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about it where.

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He wasn't really an album guy, which is so weird to think to say because

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like he's older.

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And so you would assume that playlists and that, you know, kind of freedom

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to pick and choose songs and compile them and all of that wasn't really

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available in his like peak music like consumption era of his life.

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But man, he was just a big playlist guy and he would always just have

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a playlist of I would, if I were to think about it, I felt like a hundred

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and six songs and it would just for so, so much, you know, so many parts of my

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life would be like this.

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These hundred and six songs are coming up and.

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And you have like a lot of greatest hits CDs to that.

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So my parents, yes, on the greatest hits like compilations and Grammy nominees.

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Now that's what I call music, you know.

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Absolutely.

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I remember talking to him about this where I would talk to him about albums

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because I'm a big out guy and which is, you know, so weird because of the

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opposite, you know, me being my age and I would talk to him about albums

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and he would really talk about it like.

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Albums have songs he doesn't really like.

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So why would I listen to an album when I can just put the songs that I like

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on this, you know, in a comp by a compilation.

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Put it on his iPod, you know, do something like that.

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And I think that was like frustrating at that time to moving, moving into CDs

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and eventually MP3s and stuff was like, how worth it is it really to buy this

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album?

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Like am I, I'm buying this album, am I buying this album for this one song or

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is this going to be a full, full album experience?

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I think it was a lot of what people would question when they're buying LPs.

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But you and me have talked about this.

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Cause we're both big record collectors is that the records that we own,

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unless gifted to us, like the records that we go out and buy, buy in large

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are albums that we like every song on there.

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Sure, if you, you could rank them, you know, and be like, obviously these are

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better than these on the record, but overall, like I'm, whenever I buy a

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record, that is, that is like the criteria.

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If I don't like, if I don't generally like every song on this or okay,

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I'm saying it, I should say it in reverse.

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If there are songs on a record, you're not skipping songs on the record.

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You're not going to pick the needle out.

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You know, you're not, you don't have your two term tables going back and forth

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between, you know, like, okay, no, I won't play this track.

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There's some days where you're really just like, oh, I'm going to put this one

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song on this record and move on to the next one.

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But this, I mean, this is bands that their first album is fucking insane.

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The fact that that's their first album and in 1967 at the time it comes out and

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how full it is and it has the end at the end and very experimental long song

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that establishes them immediately at such a young age because he just, yeah,

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it comes out, shoots out like a, like a rocket and joins the 27 club and

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unfortunately, which was prevalent at the time, but yeah, I mean, yeah,

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it's just, there's a reason why the, their self titled album will live on

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and in for me because it is so good and it, it to me, I just listen to it again

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today is, it kind of is an outlier a bit in the other really popular records

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at the time.

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So it just has such a cool uniqueness to it that gives you insight into

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probably underrepresented or under recognized, like, taste of the album

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taste and trend of that time.

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That, you know, is typically what defines albums of this caliber where it is

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timeless.

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So not only, you know, not only does it have certain sonic characteristics

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that are present in that time and that's why it's so, you know, can reach so

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many people, but it just has so many aspects of it too that are so different

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and also too, it kind of requires a look, it doesn't treat the audience like

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it's an, you know, here's just some more, you know, more of what you like.

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It kind of challenges you a little bit and.

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Yeah, it is tongue tongue cheek.

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And it uses, I mean, yeah, I want to like, again, that, you know, Alabama song

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whiskey bars, like using a different type of song to imagine, like, I don't know,

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and imagine it's a conceptual sort of thing where it's using a different type

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of music writing to have fun and do a rag, like a honky tonk sort of drunk

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sort of sort of thing and that's that drunkenness starts to not be as funny

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in the movie of course.

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And I know that he had his demons with it and life and everything, but his mind

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and where they he's willing to take the music in the direction of the band is

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clear right at the beginning.

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And that is mind blowing as a debut album and it's cool to find bands that

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just come out swinging like that and getting really into, yeah, like talking

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heads like they're they're fucking that's a whole never thing, but their

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opening album, it just was another one that made me think about or like, I

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don't know, Manpower Weekend's album, new albums coming out and that's their

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I can't stop.

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We got to stop just shooting fun bands that we like, but we should probably

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pivot over to movie land, right?

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Let's talk.

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Let's let's get stone.

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Let's talk stone for a hot minute before we get talking.

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So I would say kind of a blind spot for me, unfortunately for me too as a

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director.

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I agree.

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And the some of the trademarks of his movies are political intrigue and dealing

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with big figures in history, controversial moments and figures in

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history.

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And then he has other more just straight fiction or trying to think of other

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other like Wall Street, maybe would be would be something natural born

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killers is a good one too.

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That's I think that's a good example of of a of a yeah, see, because that's

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like a combination of so many things at play where you have the Tarantino

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script, but then him on top of that just adds this real weight to everything

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and sort of a yeah, it just takes it in a political way where these uses

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these characters to try to say something in a in a much more biting satirical

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political commentary sort of way, whereas Tarantino might be more nihilistic.

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If he were to actually direct his own material and not try to find this

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deeper meaning and have it be a little bit more chaotic and my mind in my

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mind, Oliver Stone is really trying to tell the audience something.

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He really wants to tell you something.

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You know, he's really like, he's pretty clear about it.

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He's pretty like clear about a lot of a lot of the the messages he's trying

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to send in when he's not doesn't want you to understand he's pretty clear

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about that too. But quite a legendary filmmaker and just doesn't make

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movies that I find I want to watch a lot.

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It was my my one thing, but sorry.

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Gotcha.

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One thing I've noticed with Oliver Stone that like even though natural born

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killers is written by Tarantino and goodman is quite an outlier in his

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filmography. All of them, all the movies that I've seen of his have a

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connective tissue where Oliver Stone is very interested in how society is

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changing based off of broad events.

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And with natural born killers, it's him focusing on people consuming TV that

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now is featuring violence on TV and what violence on TV is doing.

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You know how that is affecting the broader culture with platoon.

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It's how Vietnam affected, you know, individuals that then influence in

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subsequent movies. He'll address how like in JFK how Vietnam affects.

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Yeah, like just overall, he's very interested in America and how

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America has responded and active and changed based on these events that

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have happened and helps write.

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I believe he wrote just wrote Scarface as well, which is pretty cool.

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Well, I didn't know that, but that's another that still fits into what I'm

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saying where it's like that cocaine 80s Wall Street, the same thing.

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Very interested in the capitalism stock exchange that site of America.

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Money never sleeps, Brandon.

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Money never sleeps.

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Yep. It doesn't have a bedtime.

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No bedtime.

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I even saw Savages, which is not that great of a movie for my memory.

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But I went I went saw that movie in theaters and just it does this weird

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fake out ending is the main thing I remember that movie where it like takes

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a lot of time to be like to kill all the characters and spoilers or whatever.

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Like light spoilers because I'm being very vague.

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But does that whole fake hour?

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Everyone dies and then it's like fuck.

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And then it just rewinds and it's like, no, that didn't really happen.

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But could you imagine if it did?

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And you're like, fuck you.

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Oh, that doesn't sound good.

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It's not.

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But to get us.

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Eddie, though, he's like, I don't know.

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There's like an edginess. There's a grittiness.

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There's like a grittiness. Yes.

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There's also like a little pessimism.

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I know I said maybe Tarantino is more nihilistic, but yeah, there's a real

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nihilism like as far as like.

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Your your ability to try to change something within the systems that have been presented

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and how crushing that can be to these.

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Yeah.

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And.

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And.

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These are these are themes and concepts that I'm speaking about from not maybe as

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much experience watching a lot of his movies, but even this one alone.

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Yeah, it seems like he does like to take a character and almost make a martyr out of

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them in an interesting way.

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Very much so.

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Yeah.

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Portune for sure.

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And Jim Morrison, the way that he's presented in this movie.

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As far as a tortured artist goes is intense and dark and he's insensationalized to say

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the least for good for good or worse.

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Yeah.

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So whatever sort of true sort of issue or or concept or story that he's trying to

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accomplish, I do think that he stereotypically sensed sensationalizes a lot of those those

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things as well.

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But that's what you have to do, I guess to show a historical historical fiction, you

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know.

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Yeah, because so this movie that we're going to get into in relation to platoon and to

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Wall Street.

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So to I'll talk about Wall Street real quick because of what you just said is even though

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the main characters Charlie Sheen technically in Wall Street, so much more interest is placed

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on Michael Douglas's character.

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And that character has some similarities, at least in what Oliver Stone as the director

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thinks of a person like that as being representative of a broader idea within that's that's being

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more prominent in the American culture.

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And it is very interesting to see that kind of that connection where it's just like with

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Wall Street, he weirdly is obsessive about these people, but then also hates them at

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the same time.

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And there's this like, given this push and pull that happens in Wall Street and particularly

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in this movie that I'll talk about in depth about how this, you know, it's I feel like

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Oliver Stone really is critical of the sixties and of the hippie movement and is taking out

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his criticisms in this movie by representing the one of the gods, one of the big pillars

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of the hippie movement as being destructive, narcissistic, just full of ills where it's

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like all about drugs, all about sex, you know, these things that some people would be like,

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Oh, well, the hippie movement was really did a lot of wonders for promoting, you know,

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sexual equality, mental health, like all of these things that you could in one.

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If you were looking at it one way, be like, wow, we like, you know, that really helped

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us in a lot of ways.

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But he has a tendency to just be like, No, I think this person like, or if you think

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Jim Morrison is, if you put him on a pedestal, you're wrong for doing that.

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And it's, it's fascinating to me because it goes into this idea that I have of Oliver

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Stone as being just such a like stereotypical boomer where he, he looks at change as a loss

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of innocence and almost net negative is like, we're like, almost we're getting worse.

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That idea that boomers have was like, we like America is getting worse.

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It used to be better.

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Let's make America great again.

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There is an energy that I got from this movie where he is saying, Jim is kind of the fucking

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problem to why we're worse off.

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And by and large, the hippie movement is kind of did us dirty.

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And yeah, it just to me, that's, that's kind of a characteristic of a boomer to think about,

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you know, before the hippie movement, things were potentially better.

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And the fact that there were people like Jim Morrison that were so popular, that were so

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influential that people latched onto what he was saying.

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And then it ended up hurting them and potentially hurt America in the broader sense.

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And I just, it weirdly, yeah, all in all, what I'm saying is it to me is very clear.

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He has a container's relationship with the ideas of this time and of this person.

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That shows in this movie.

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And of the people, his humanity in his writing and movies does revolve back to the dark side

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of humanity in a lot of ways.

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And it isn't all bad, but not just in Jim Morrison, but I feel like when he, when you

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look at the mass of people at the shows and the concerts and his fans and everything and

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the people that are trying to take advantage of him in a lot of ways is his commentary on

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certain other institutions, whether it be in this movie or other movies, I think he has

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issues with a lot of things and he does play maybe within, you know, like the gray areas

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of or puts faces to like Gordon or whatever in Wall Street.

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But I think he plays with all of the criticisms for a lot of things because I do agree that

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he is very critical of how aimless and not thought out his idea of the hippie movement,

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especially through Jim Morrison's eyes and Val Comers as playing him is he doesn't actually

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have it all thought out and he has beautiful poetry in lines, but there's the substance

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there in my mind, Oliver Stone is saying the substance isn't fully upholding what he's

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putting out and when push comes to shove, he can actually enact all those things that

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he's talking about and all these great ideals that he's saying the world should live by.

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He himself can't even, you know, wake up and get himself dressed and, you know, sing a

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song at a certain point in the movie.

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And I think there is a real criticism from the filmmaker about Jim Morrison as a person

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which goes a little hard and a little far.

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I think judging by how I've heard some other band members and people in Jim Morrison's

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life have felt about the movie and about the treatment and representation of Jim Morrison

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was he was that but also a lot more as well.

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And in Oliver Stone seems more interested in that dark sensationalizing the dark side

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of humanity, whether it yes, be in Jim Morrison and the hippie movement, but also the institution

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of police.

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I think he makes them look pretty dumb too.

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And capitalism and how that affects the artistic process and how Jim Morrison within this movie

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at least he places upon this purity of the art upon the character of Jim Morrison in

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this movie.

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Whereas by the end of the movie, they're all like they make a commercial of light my fire

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or whatever.

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And he's like, why didn't sign off on this man?

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Like why?

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Because if you were too drunk, I wish you were here.

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Then we would have had a conversation about it, which was like that kind of was the sinew

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of the dynamic between him and the bandmates in this movie, whether that's true in real

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life, I don't know.

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But like he doesn't like that they're commercializing the music and everything, but also he's too

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fucked up to do anything about it.

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And they're taking advantage of him in a way was like the dark read of the doors by

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Oliver Stone, I feel like.

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But whether those things are true and whether it went that far within their lives, I maybe

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don't know enough about the doors, but I think they were upset that they portrayed him in

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such a negative way as is what they had issues with because he had a lot of positive soft

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spoken boyish charm is a lot of all the stuff they said in that he was very gentle, gentlemenly

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had very polite Southern charm manners and all that stuff and he would fuck up.

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But I forget who is one of the bandmates was saying like he would he would fuck up, but

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he would also know when he did and apologize and like feel bad about it and wasn't.

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Yeah, you don't see that in this movie.

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Like constantly just holding a bottle of fucking Jack and trouncing around.

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But hey, that's that's the part of an Oliver Stone movie that you you accept a little bit

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or you don't because that's that's a big, big part of this.

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This movie is it is a big rock biopic and it is playing into a lot of those stereotypes

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of a lot of what these movies have to offer.

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But before we get into a little bit more of the plot here, I'm just going to take a quick

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bathroom break already and I left my notes in the other room.

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So I'm going to go grab those as well.

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Be epic.

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Hello.

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Welcome back.

466
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I am your host, Jim today.

467
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,440
I'm going to be Jimbo.

468
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,440
I'm Jimbo.

469
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,440
I got my notes.

470
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,000
I this movie.

471
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,480
Well, maybe we'll we'll talk about or just mention how about that casting?

472
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,480
Great fucking casting.

473
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:25,560
I mean, Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison is like how how much more perfect can you get?

474
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,560
Perfect.

475
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,760
Yeah, like you look side by side pictures, hair, voice.

476
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,000
And one of the big things that would like seal the deals, I guess one of the bandmates

477
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,760
heard a recording where they could not tell the difference between Morrison and Val and

478
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,840
when you it's the bandmate that is unable to tell that's when you know, but he also

479
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,560
made like spent like $8,000 or something.

480
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,240
It said this is in like the Wikipedia.

481
00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:00,880
So whatever grand assault, but he spent a lot of time, money and energy, I believe,

482
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:09,600
to to like make a reel to send to Oliver Stone to convince him that he should be Jim Morrison

483
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:10,680
and be in the movie.

484
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:16,120
So he was his own biggest advocate to being cast.

485
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,960
And I think he was 100 percent right to be so confident.

486
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:27,640
And that kind of confidence is exactly who this person is in my mind to be able to be

487
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,400
such a sage presence.

488
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,280
And that's where this movie shines.

489
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,280
It's his performance.

490
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,280
Oh my God.

491
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,280
Yeah, absolutely.

492
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:39,480
I was dark and fucked up as it as it gets, you know, the to be able to handle being Jim

493
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Morrison in front of a live audience playing and singing the songs that blew my mind as

494
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:52,720
far as a concert, like a rock biopic where you you cannot tell any difference of like,

495
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,600
oh, they're not really playing or he's not really singing.

496
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,680
All that shit looks so real and great.

497
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:03,560
Like the and a lot in some cases, it really is them singing and playing because even Kyle

498
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,720
McLaughlin knew how to play piano and leading into it.

499
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,600
He's like, I learned some of the songs and there's some of them were were really playing

500
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,000
and we ended up being like, you know, a pretty good like tribute doors band.

501
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,280
And it felt really fun to be as he's the best.

502
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,280
He's the best.

503
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,920
He's like, he's like, all rock stars want to be actors.

504
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,040
All actors want to be rock stars.

505
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,680
So it was like really cool to be.

506
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,200
We felt like rock stars for a bit and that and that felt fun.

507
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:34,160
And you can tell Val Khuramran had just like really gave himself fully to over the performance.

508
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,880
And absolutely.

509
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,600
That is what this movie is, why it's even still remembered.

510
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,280
I feel like otherwise it could just be a hundred percent.

511
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,320
What a yeah, and there's been plenty of crappy ones.

512
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:51,040
Honestly, the Marley one coming up looks kind of a little iffy, but we'll see.

513
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,040
I don't know.

514
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Maybe it'll be great.

515
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:59,000
But his performance pushed this movie to the next level along with the direction.

516
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,000
Yeah.

517
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,440
And I think a lot of the cast.

518
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,440
Yes.

519
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,440
I agree.

520
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:11,840
I know what I just heard the other day is I don't think it's going to be this next one,

521
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,360
but it's going to be the one after I think maybe it is the next one, but they're adding

522
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,920
a new category to the Oscars and it's casting.

523
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:20,920
Great.

524
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,440
So what's her face is going to win?

525
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,440
What's her name?

526
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,440
That's Allison.

527
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,440
Yeah.

528
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,440
Allison.

529
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,440
Yeah.

530
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,440
Allison.

531
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,440
No, that's not.

532
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,440
No, that's not.

533
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,440
It's Allison something.

534
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,160
I feel like he's who's like at the beginning of every like.

535
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,760
Uh-huh.

536
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,480
Especially big comedy, like ensemble comedies and stuff will just be like.

537
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,840
Like Nancy Meyers, you know, I can't remember the name.

538
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,760
Oh my God, whatever.

539
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,240
But but is yeah, isn't that interesting that they're we're going to start getting?

540
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:50,240
Yeah, cool.

541
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:51,240
A war for casting.

542
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,600
What about let's get stuntman next.

543
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,600
Totally.

544
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,880
And gets the reels of like, you know, like them doing the best stunts and showing like,

545
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,240
yeah, this is that person doing the stunt in there.

546
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:03,240
And like that's.

547
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,960
And they agree that would be, oh, that would be awesome.

548
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,960
It's just the problem.

549
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,960
Yeah, it's.

550
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,480
But then you push stunt people to do more and more dangerous things.

551
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,480
Is that the.

552
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Maybe not.

553
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,840
But I know if anything, the problem is, is that they just don't want the recording to

554
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,960
be even longer because there's, you know, being like, we're still wanting people to watch

555
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,720
this and that's an issue, you know, so making this longer.

556
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:29,280
But I mean, as movie buffs, like that stuff rips, I would love to, you know, get the MTV

557
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,680
movie word for best case.

558
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:31,680
Come on.

559
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,680
Just throw it into the Oscars too.

560
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,680
I'm going to be sponsored.

561
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,680
That's good.

562
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,680
I would.

563
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,680
I would be way in the surfboard as an award.

564
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,440
Let's get surfboards as rewards again.

565
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,440
You remember that?

566
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,440
Yeah, I do.

567
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,440
And then let's slime them.

568
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,440
Let's get it.

569
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,440
Slime them.

570
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,440
Give them a blimp.

571
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,440
Slime them.

572
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,480
God, I wanted to hold one of those blimp awards too.

573
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,040
Is that the Nickelodeon award or awards or?

574
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,000
Yes, it's a boy's choice.

575
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,000
The blimp.

576
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Cool.

577
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,400
Nickelodeon is fully no longer.

578
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:08,640
I saw their name in front of the new Avatar show at least.

579
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:16,920
So they own the IP, but I don't know if the studio is making anything.

580
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,320
Anyways, I don't know.

581
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,320
I don't know.

582
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,320
I don't know.

583
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,320
I don't know.

584
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,320
I do.

585
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,320
But okay.

586
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,320
Is everyone ready?

587
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,320
Are you in?

588
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,320
Are you in?

589
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,320
Are you in?

590
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,160
That's a, that was a cool way to start it.

591
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,080
I was like, the font is all very doors font.

592
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,080
Absolutely.

593
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,800
And it's like an overture almost into the into the film.

594
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,800
Yes.

595
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:41,800
It's a nice movie.

596
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,800
Start seeing what's on screen.

597
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,240
I'm like, oh, what's what's going on?

598
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,360
Because it's this.

599
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:56,680
The movie starts with them in a car, a young Jim Morrison in a car driving through the

600
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,680
desert.

601
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,680
Oh, yeah.

602
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:04,200
And then there's a lot of kind of trippy cloud work stuff going on.

603
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:10,760
And it shows a, what we are being told by the film as a incredibly important moment

604
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,000
in Jim's life where on a, as the family moves to.

605
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Oh, right.

606
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Yeah.

607
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:28,400
Arizona or New Mexico, New Mexico, maybe they pass by a car crash and then Jim sees

608
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,640
people dead on the side of the road.

609
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:37,720
And then his mother consoles him and says something to the effect of like, this is all

610
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:40,200
a dream.

611
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:49,800
And which I get it, but then the movie quickly gets out of it and then goes, and now he's

612
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,760
an adult and we're on our way.

613
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:59,880
And yeah, so it, we sent me off on a weird mood already.

614
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,440
And then, you know, just almost instantly, no, because I really enjoyed the text.

615
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:11,360
And I am glad that I didn't really need, and maybe there is a movie where there's, there's

616
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,840
an interesting version of it, but like him as a kid, I'm kind of glad that it got right

617
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:23,280
into like him on the beach in Venice, trying like with a book and like trying to like that's

618
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,800
like, that's like a right on the cusp, right on the cusp of meeting Ray and all that stuff.

619
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:34,000
Like, but then this, this cold open, as you are saying, does come back in a lot of ways

620
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,080
and doesn't really have like that satisfying of a conclusion.

621
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,720
And it just goes so far as it's almost like the Joker's origin story where it's like,

622
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:48,320
he just uses that as like a way to tell different stories about his, his own life.

623
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,080
And that's like an inspiration for the stories that he decides to like, methol, he's like

624
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:58,240
mythologizing his own, his own life based on these things that he's experienced and

625
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:03,040
using them as fodder for his, his own like life character that he's, he's creating.

626
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:10,760
And totally, I just, I would argue that the movie would benefit from cutting out a few

627
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,000
scenes in the middle to back half or shortening them.

628
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:21,880
And if you just got something with his relationship with his parents, just a little something,

629
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,800
just a little like, what's the dad like?

630
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:29,000
I guess that was like a little bit more about the mother issue with like the, he didn't have

631
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,080
rights to portray them on screen, I believe.

632
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:39,480
I don't think like they gave him the okay to like, even like show them on screen and

633
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,640
portray them in any sort of way, because they didn't want any, they didn't want any sort

634
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,160
of likeness portrayed of themselves.

635
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:57,240
And there was also a lot of issues, I think issues with the mother and father of what,

636
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:58,240
what's her name?

637
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:59,240
Is it Pam?

638
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,240
Was it Meg Ryan's character?

639
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:02,240
Yeah.

640
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,240
Yeah, Pam.

641
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:09,440
The real like, cause she passed a few years, the movie says a few years after Jim does,

642
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:16,720
and the parents kind of had, or kind of like, back and forth with Oliver Stone with how

643
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,560
they wanted her to be portrayed.

644
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:25,640
And I think there were some issues and drama between them and they were like refusing to

645
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,240
like give Oliver Stone like some of Jim Morrison's like poetry and stuff, because they weren't

646
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:34,960
happy with some of the stuff that they were, he was doing, but they were very clear about

647
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,880
like the only way to even have her in the movie was as they were very clear about that

648
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:39,880
thing.

649
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,680
She had nothing to do with his death.

650
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,480
Was like, there was like their big thing out, obviously, but yeah, that makes sense.

651
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,720
So speaking of Pam, so we, yeah, and then we get to Jim as an adult and he's on Venice

652
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:56,600
Beach and then he's just completely in a trance by Meg Ryan.

653
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,600
Oh my God.

654
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,640
He's in trance by a woman first.

655
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,640
Oh my God.

656
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:01,640
Yeah.

657
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:08,520
And man, it just, yeah, I see you're, you're feeling the same way that I was feeling where

658
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,200
I'm like, this motherfucker, this is not romantic.

659
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,040
Ladies and gentlemen, this is not romantic.

660
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,680
And just, you know, stalking it.

661
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,960
And it's like, I didn't make the note.

662
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,760
Venice canals are cool.

663
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,040
That's a cool area of LA.

664
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,040
It's really, really cool.

665
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,240
I've been really filmed, was awesome role models there.

666
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:30,280
I feel like it was like, oh, this is a really cool role model.

667
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,280
100%.

668
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,880
Yeah, you're absolutely right.

669
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:39,160
That's such a cool area of LA and the houses are done up a little bit to be more period

670
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,680
appropriate and awesome.

671
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,800
I really loved the setting and I love Meg Ryan.

672
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,760
I think she was perfect casting.

673
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,160
I think she was amazing.

674
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,160
Love her.

675
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:57,360
I, there's a part of me that I'm like, do I want her to be a little more fleshed out?

676
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:04,160
Do I want her to be there to be more there in the script for her to do?

677
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,400
But I love her.

678
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:11,200
I would argue that they do give her more stuff to do, but the movie doesn't handle it well

679
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,200
because we're just fleshed out.

680
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,680
Show a different side of her.

681
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,000
Like they kind of just show like only like very limited sides side of her.

682
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,000
Fair.

683
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000
Like I want to see.

684
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,520
I don't want to see like a little bit.

685
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Another different side of her.

686
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,680
Yeah.

687
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,760
Cause I was going to say that like later in the movie, when she's going through a drug

688
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,480
addiction stuff there to your point, right?

689
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:37,040
I agree with you is I think that would have been the time to do a little bit more on where

690
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:46,040
she's coming from because to again, to caretake the compliment, your point is she is such

691
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,400
a hanger on.

692
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:54,880
She is such a like whatever Jim does, you know, no real agency.

693
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,880
Yeah.

694
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:56,880
Kind of an accessory.

695
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,440
I think she literally like calls herself an ornament or something when she's going onto

696
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,440
the plane.

697
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,680
So just to have somebody who's really just on along for the ride a lot of ways and then

698
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,960
gets, you know, it does the jealous girlfriend thing of or whatever, which I just, I wanted

699
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,200
to maybe just like a little bit more one way there, even like if it's at the end, if

700
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,400
it's a little more destructive side or it's the care taken side at the beginning, it just

701
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,160
kind of, she hits as far as the, how that character is written, it just kind of hits

702
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,880
those notes and she ends up being just kind of a, a destructive presence on top of an

703
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,160
already destructive presence.

704
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:36,160
And there's that codependency and the big blow up at the Turkey, Turkey day fees.

705
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,160
Yeah.

706
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,680
I have a lot to say about it.

707
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:44,800
Which I did not happen, I think, but there's a lot I'm sure that that didn't.

708
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,720
And yeah, my, my, one of my opening notes was, oh yeah, the, because he goes through

709
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,800
like her balcony and he's like, have you ever heard of the door?

710
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,240
He's like, doors are a waste of time.

711
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:56,240
Time.

712
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:57,240
Aldous Huxley, right?

713
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,000
Or you said it earlier, right?

714
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,920
It's, that's a quote from.

715
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,520
Oh, is that one of the quotes?

716
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,600
I just thought, yeah, doors are a waste of time.

717
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,680
The doors of doors of perception and William Blake and all that stuff comes up when he's

718
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:13,440
talking with Ray and all that stuff, but he stalks her, he stalks her and then he like

719
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:18,080
climbs through her balcony or like climbs a tree through her balcony and immediately just

720
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,680
starts kissing her.

721
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,200
Yeah, which he's like, she's like, who are you?

722
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,200
You want to be my old man?

723
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,600
He's like, oh my God, there's a man that just crawled through the balcony and just started

724
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,600
smooching.

725
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,600
Right.

726
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:40,560
And this, but this, the reason for that in my mind is to key you into the vibe of the

727
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,560
time.

728
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:49,400
Freela where, you know, Meg Ryan is definitely a subscriber to the hippie movement and she

729
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:58,000
is by and large loving the fact that this person is not inhibited by anything willing

730
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:05,000
to just say what he feels go after what he wants and it's really attract like it.

731
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,920
Make Ryan does well to show how attracted and into Jim.

732
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,120
She is almost immediately.

733
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:17,320
Yeah, there's no there is no courting really at all.

734
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,320
Sure.

735
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,280
The next, the next scene we get to with them fucking out in the open.

736
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:28,040
I was trying to, I was trying to gauge what the like lay out lay of the land was when

737
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,800
that scene was happening where I'm like, are they like, it seems like they're on a roof,

738
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,280
but then they are also seems like they're in a parking lot and then it seems like they're

739
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:45,080
next to the beach and I was just really like, man, anybody could just which again, that's

740
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,520
you know, to speak to the time of and to Jim as a character.

741
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,240
This is notes later when they're like on top of the roof or whatever and like they're like

742
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:56,000
on this roof on a couch.

743
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,360
That's like later and then and then it's like nighttime and somehow there's like they do

744
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,200
have lights and they're reading books to each other.

745
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,360
Yeah, man, they're so cool.

746
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,840
And then the big fucking moon, Oliver Stone just puts this huge, huge moon.

747
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:10,840
Yeah.

748
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,320
I think I'm getting a little ahead of where we should be because I definitely want to

749
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:22,800
talk about Jim's movie that he made in film class because holy shit, I was I would have

750
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,480
been one of those people where I'm like, this is potentially as glad someone said that though,

751
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:35,160
because I was a little worried that the movie was like going to glorify him to which it

752
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,680
does in a lot of ways.

753
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:42,600
But then there and it maybe undercuts him a lot of ways to people would criticize it

754
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,400
for that, but in this moment, I'm glad someone said what I was thinking.

755
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Yeah.

756
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,440
And then it's pretty pretentious, buddy.

757
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,680
Yeah, it really doesn't say much.

758
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:59,760
And that's a problem that I had, which then we'll get to here soon about the tripping

759
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,160
in the desert scene.

760
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:07,320
But this starts to go into where I feel like Oliver Stone's coming from where he thinks

761
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:15,640
Jim is a pretentious douchebag and time and time again, presents him as such and shows

762
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:23,200
that if you were in the culture, you would be like, God, this is so, you know, this is

763
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:28,320
so transformative and edgy and, you know, so.

764
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,280
Yeah, like experimental and cool.

765
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:41,160
But the movie already starts to be like, no, it's actually he's kind of a douche.

766
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,800
He's just a pretentious douche.

767
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:43,800
Yeah.

768
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:51,200
And self interested in the way that he at a certain point and like whether it's true

769
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,600
or not like wants to become essentially a cult member is what the movie is like pretending

770
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:03,000
him to be and wants, you know, it seems seems to be just pushing forward.

771
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,360
This cult of personality, at least.

772
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,360
Personality.

773
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,360
Yeah, like he knows he's a rock star already, and he is going to stop and nothing to be

774
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:18,040
a God, be a rock star, be some somebody that everybody knows and, you know, a classic rock

775
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,200
and roll lifestyle and that that stuff was.

776
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:26,440
Yeah, that's where it's played a little stereotypically, but it's also it's hard.

777
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,880
This is a hard one because I come to this movie.

778
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,920
I come to this movie.

779
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:31,920
Movie.

780
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,600
The church of the movie.

781
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:34,680
Wanting some of that stuff.

782
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,760
Like this is a rock, rock and roll movie about a big fucking rock and roll star that indulged

783
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,760
a lot.

784
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,120
So there's like a part of me that kind of wants to see if like someone's given all

785
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:50,600
of this in the world, like what they would they would do with it and all the excess and

786
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,520
everything that would that would destroy them.

787
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:59,640
But it's also hard because it feels you feel like it's almost like a guilty pleasure watching

788
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,000
or something or you feel kind of dirty like, like, why do I find this entertaining watching

789
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,000
this man just.

790
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,160
Sorry, himself, fucking drink himself to death.

791
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:14,080
You know, you can have something that's way more hardcore and realistic like leaving Las

792
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:20,680
Vegas or something where like really fucking like shows you like how dark it can get.

793
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:26,080
And this movie shies away from it just enough to like enjoy the rock and roll of fun side

794
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,520
of it so you can still record drop, you know, all of those door songs.

795
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:36,760
So dividing that line was an interesting one for me as as far as like how he felt about

796
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:45,960
Jim Morrison because I do agree that he is questioning the substance of Jim Morrison and

797
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,360
the follow through on his ideals because he seems to be like, oh, this very idealistic

798
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:58,160
person, but and that is also a criticism of the hippie movement in general is is I think

799
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,440
you're very much your earlier earlier point.

800
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,760
But this earlier this earlier part of the movie is the beginnings of the band.

801
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,560
You know, this is that portion of the of the rock and roll movie where they're getting

802
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:12,680
the band together.

803
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:19,360
They're coming up with ideas there in those early practice sessions, you know, and they're

804
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,840
getting like they're playing they want to play the whiskey and they're getting guys

805
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,920
coming up to him like, oh, I can make you guys millionaires like all the you know, you

806
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:33,240
check checkmark all the all the stuff that's in in these kind of movies.

807
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:38,520
But I do love like them jamming on break on through to the other side and fleshing that

808
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,520
stuff out.

809
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,520
That's stuff that you want to see.

810
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,840
That's what I come to this movie to see some of those staples.

811
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:50,080
And I think those are those are done in a relatively fun way in this early on Act One

812
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,080
portion.

813
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,080
Yeah.

814
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:58,960
I so with this again, I'm going to just I'm not even going to say that I feel like a broken

815
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:04,000
record because I know that I'm going to just do it anyways is so Kyle McGlock on his character

816
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:11,640
meets him through the through the class and then gravitates towards Jim because he recognizes

817
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,640
that this guy is willing to do something different.

818
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:20,760
And that goes along with Kyle McGlockman's character's worldview because he is just

819
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:26,160
immediately tells you that he's well read, has all of these, you know, counterculturist

820
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:27,160
ideas.

821
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,600
He wants to, you know, change the world, tear it down, all of this stuff.

822
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,360
And he tripped out in the desert and came back a different man and he wants to sing

823
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,600
Ray a song and he sings him a song on the beach.

824
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,600
I like that scene.

825
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:40,600
Absolutely.

826
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:46,000
He would hang on the beach and he's just singing and Ray like Kyle's face is just like, fuck

827
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,200
and I was like getting real tenacious deep vibes.

828
00:52:50,200 --> 00:53:01,560
But in those moments that are showing the side of Jim that is a artist worthy of, you

829
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:09,280
know, the notoriety of the, you know, worthy of the stature that he gets there time and

830
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,520
time again in those moments, they're always like in my mind, I always recognize that they

831
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:19,480
there was a button on them being like, but then Jim's like, let's go get fucked up.

832
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:25,280
You know, Kyle McGlockman goes on this whole, you know, diatribe about you got to think

833
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,280
different.

834
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,560
We got to do something big.

835
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:32,080
And then he's like, Jim's not almost not even really listening.

836
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:37,680
He's kind of just like you're saying things that sound right to me.

837
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,680
You know what?

838
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,960
Let's go get fucked up and time and time again, because then from there they go into the session

839
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:52,880
to do like my fire and then in a very seemingly very quickly, Jim's like, we're not getting

840
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,040
to the heart of this.

841
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,040
Let's go get fucked up.

842
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,160
And then it goes in and then immediately goes into the tent.

843
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,560
He's a prick in that scene.

844
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:05,000
You know, like the break on through the other side like sounds cool.

845
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:13,800
And then the drummer, I think kind of kind of has Kevin Dylan plays plays him.

846
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,320
Talk about a whole holy, holy shit.

847
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,520
But second working with Oliver Stone, because he's in platoon, he's got some issues like

848
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,000
with like the lyrics or something.

849
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:29,640
They're like, like that's the big back and forth is like him not liking Jim's lyrics

850
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:30,640
at the beginning here.

851
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:36,160
I don't think your lyrics are weird, man, and then Jim's like, well, you fucking write

852
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,160
one then.

853
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,960
And then the guitarist is like, well, you know, I got one of you guys want to hear it.

854
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:43,960
Be untrue.

855
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:49,080
Doesn't even say at that moment that he's like, come on, baby, light my fire.

856
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,440
I wrote a song that I think Jim would sing or something to that effect.

857
00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:00,960
Like the guitarist almost is like already trying to fit into this mold that he sees

858
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,720
like what would work with Jim.

859
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:09,360
Like I have to, you know, I have to appease him or I have to change.

860
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:10,360
I mean, that's the fun.

861
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,200
I mean, that's that you can already tell he's the front man like that.

862
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,120
Like with a personality like that, I can see like, oh, if we're going to have this guy

863
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,760
in our band, he's not playing an instrument.

864
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:18,760
He's the front.

865
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,720
He's the singer like and the type of personality he is.

866
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:25,160
And the song and the lyrics that he writes is so important to me.

867
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:26,640
Such a head, head case.

868
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,560
Like, we're just, we're just like, it's really important to him the words and he doesn't

869
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:31,560
sing words.

870
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:32,560
It doesn't believe in it.

871
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,600
It seems like, cause even when he's starts like the light my fire thing starts, it was

872
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,320
just like very prickly about it.

873
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:45,640
And then finally they start to like warm up to it and it comes together like pretty well

874
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:46,640
there.

875
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,320
And then Ray's like, I got to work on this intro and he's like, all right, let's go

876
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:50,320
get fucked up.

877
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,320
Yeah, let's go get.

878
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:52,320
Fucked up.

879
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,000
And it just as always, and then that scene is over.

880
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,280
It's like, and then they come back and he's like, I actually have been people have to

881
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,280
work.

882
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,680
Jim just shows up just, you know, like spews a bunch of poetry and then maybe that's not

883
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,280
even the real thing, but that to me, that's kind of how I viewed the band was like Ray

884
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,480
was the one that was like sitting there, technically, technically figuring out the structure of the

885
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:20,240
song, the how it's going to piece together and work.

886
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:25,960
And maybe even catering to words that had had already been presented by Jim within certain

887
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,760
stanzas or whatever.

888
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:34,440
And it seemed and maybe wrong, but it seemed like it was Ray's job to pull that out of

889
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,320
Jim Morrison's head and put it on to paper.

890
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,880
And he's like, yeah, Jim's big ideas guy, you know, and Ray's got to kind of put it,

891
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:43,880
put it down.

892
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:52,200
And that's, but I that's can be an excellent way to create music and and our and like one

893
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,720
of my favorite bands, Radiohead, it's like that's their whole thing is just trying to

894
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:58,440
figure out what the fuck is going on in Tom York's head.

895
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,920
And let's like get it out into, you know, auditory sort of way is like a lot of their

896
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,640
writing processes because it's just like he's got an interesting mind.

897
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:11,400
And whenever he's involved, you can, it has a certain flavor that's different than any

898
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,160
of their other solo stuff that they do.

899
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,920
And even there's doors albums, two doors albums that exists after Jim's death that,

900
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,400
you know, if you want to get what that feels like without him.

901
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:30,480
Anyway, so it's you get the dynamic here, you get early, a couple early songs.

902
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,520
There's a lot of doors being played.

903
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:38,240
There's a there's a some other like kind of this isn't the Velvet Underground area yet,

904
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,360
that there's almost like the turtles or something being played or early the birds are kind of

905
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:48,600
playing like that kind of like early airy kind of Brit pop almost Boston over.

906
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,560
They mentioned being a big influence as well, which is understandable because a lot of California

907
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:57,840
bands of Boston over was really huge adult contemporary kind of like an lounge lounge

908
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,400
cocktail, loungey stuff.

909
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:08,800
I want to talk a little bit about the the desert scene because this scene to me doesn't

910
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,200
work in a lot of ways for me.

911
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,800
And the biggest one is I just don't get the sense that Oliver Stone has ever done drugs

912
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:25,800
in his life because the way that he thinks about visually how drugs are just doesn't.

913
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,920
It has like this inauthentic feel to it.

914
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,880
It comes off as very kind of stereotypical like, yeah, the sky is going to do this.

915
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,080
And then shamans are going to pop out and stuff like that.

916
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,440
Did you like what you think of that shot of him like talking where it was like all kind

917
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,720
of out of there's like a circle around him like the.

918
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:44,720
Uh huh.

919
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,360
It's kind of like that was that's cool.

920
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:47,920
No, no, that's OK.

921
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:56,000
But the big takeaway of that scene, I was like doing as Jim Morrison sounds like a fucking

922
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,660
nightmare.

923
00:58:57,660 --> 00:59:03,000
Because the way that they presented in the movie is he is just rambling on about.

924
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,000
Oh, yeah.

925
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:09,600
Fucking God knows what and everybody's tripping out just being like, uh, uh, I don't know

926
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,000
if I can handle this.

927
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,240
And yeah, I would feel the same way.

928
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:19,480
The little door mouse goes through the room and he says hello to the snake who watches

929
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,120
from afar.

930
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:26,400
And as I sit wondering, I see a light from above and I know everything's going to be

931
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,400
OK.

932
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:28,400
Hey, where did everyone go?

933
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,400
Oh, you're bleeding out of your nose.

934
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,400
That was amazing.

935
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:35,400
But though.

936
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,120
OK, so that is great.

937
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,360
I love that you just said that.

938
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:45,880
But there's so much of him just casually talking in that scene in the acid head that he's in.

939
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:53,880
And it was really driving me crazy where it immediately is just like this guy is such

940
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,960
a raging narcissist.

941
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:01,280
Like he has to just talk about whatever's in his head, even though none of it really

942
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,240
makes sense and then just also impose it on everybody.

943
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:11,440
Like you need to understand this worldview that I see.

944
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:16,720
And it just if I was on acid with him, I would be like, Jim, shut the fuck up.

945
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:17,720
Like dynamic.

946
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:23,640
It would is kind of unnatural as well where I'm not.

947
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,720
But I think at some point he says, you know, and it does at the end as well, we're like,

948
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:28,720
he wants to be Dionysus.

949
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,880
And he wants to be this like.

950
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,280
Yeah, this.

951
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,840
But that to me tells me like I want the spotlight constantly.

952
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:42,360
Like I want to be center stage and everything and that voice in my head is important not

953
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,920
only to me, but to everyone around me, which I don't know.

954
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,080
It's like how it's portrayed in the in the movie is in this character.

955
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,600
I can see why some of the real people who knew Jim are like, I don't like.

956
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,040
There's this interview with Ray where he's just like, I don't like that guy.

957
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,680
Like if I saw that guy in real life, like I would not want to hang out with him and

958
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:01,840
start a band with him.

959
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,280
That's not the gym I know.

960
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:10,040
So I see why they're like right upset about how he's portrayed because there it's yeah.

961
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:14,280
And I don't think this desert trip even fucking occurred either.

962
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:19,320
And this is like an Oliver Stone thing where it's like, yeah, they need some big fucking

963
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:25,760
part in the script where they go out and all collectively do the Sergeant Pepper thing.

964
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,920
Like you know where the band like just changes and turns into like a dry like.

965
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:38,520
And that's in that in a way discredits the the substance of them as people and what you

966
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,560
can play with as far as like who they are and everything and just ascribing it like,

967
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,120
oh, it's the drugs doesn't do that fully.

968
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:49,000
But how that's played out is where the stereotypical side of these movies is.

969
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,320
Yeah, I agree with you.

970
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,960
It ends up being.

971
01:01:53,960 --> 01:02:02,200
Not fully realized and an unnatural and again makes Jim Morrison come across as like he

972
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:07,800
does think he's some sort of demigod like Dionysus and when the Lizard King, Lizard King.

973
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,400
But then you're also you're saying you're clocking everyone else's you're trying to

974
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:12,800
clock everyone else's reactions.

975
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,000
And it's like, yeah, a lot of them I have to be like over this.

976
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,120
But then some of them are like, yes, Jim, tell what happens next.

977
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,120
What happens?

978
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:26,360
Oh, my God, story about, you know, it's and that's where it loses me where it's like

979
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:31,200
I there's there's no way I would want to walk away and I'm in the middle of the desert and

980
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,200
the hot sun.

981
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,200
There's no water.

982
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,440
What do we do with guys?

983
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:35,440
We need water.

984
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,080
We're tripping balls.

985
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:43,320
Yeah, I would totally walk away as well because I just I wouldn't be able to handle it because

986
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:49,480
I think what needs to happen is there needs to be a more consistent through line to what

987
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:56,160
he is trying to say because the way that it comes off in the movie is so nonsensical.

988
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,160
Yeah.

989
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:05,280
You know, and that is again, my overall thesis of this of the Oliver Stone of it all is Oliver

990
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,440
Stone doesn't get the through line.

991
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:12,000
He doesn't really understand drugs very well and how that you never done acid and seen a

992
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,720
naked man ride up to you on a horse and lead you into a cave.

993
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:17,720
No.

994
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:18,720
Have I?

995
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:23,760
No, I don't think so.

996
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:34,760
But yeah, it just it's to me, it just shows a undercurrent and Oliver Stone's ideology

997
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:41,960
that that is what hippie sound like to him is people talking about like generally, you

998
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:51,000
know, nothing just philosophizing about everything and none of them making any real sense.

999
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:58,360
But then this leads into like the result of what this trip does is they they go to the

1000
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:05,880
whiskey and they play the end, I believe is this part where it gets very long and drawn

1001
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,960
out and then the go-go dancers stop dancing.

1002
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,560
That was that was one of my favorite parts where they're like dancing, they'll stop.

1003
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,880
They're like, oh, what is and everyone's just like transfixed.

1004
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:23,720
And that's like that's where like I am trying to reconcile and come to terms where Oliver

1005
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,040
Stones, how he feels about it.

1006
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:32,960
And I like that he wants to make it complicated, but it is so black and white and it is so

1007
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:37,880
black and white, but it is just like sensationalize is the best way I can put it where it's like

1008
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:46,360
if he is he is going to be all, you know, Dionysus and all like center stage when he's

1009
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,920
doing this trip and everything, and he's going to be pretentious and all that in this film

1010
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,960
class and annoying and he's going to have these criticisms.

1011
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,720
But once you put him in that stage, once you get him in that situation, we're going to

1012
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,360
show you how great he is in his in his prime.

1013
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:05,240
And I'm glad they at least, you know, like you get to see why he is the way that he is

1014
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:12,160
maybe is that he when you put him in on a stage, he thrives under that situation because

1015
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:17,760
he loves the those the attention everything, but that's not tenable and like reality and

1016
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:23,040
he does he has a hard time dealing with reality when outside of that.

1017
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,160
But even later on, it's hard time on stage as well.

1018
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,440
But I like that scene.

1019
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:34,520
And then that's where he does the whole like edifice shit where it's like kill the father,

1020
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:39,520
but the mother kill the father and then gets, yeah, gets arrested or whatever.

1021
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:46,560
Yeah, I just like some of the rock and roll shit where like, oh, yeah, like it kicked

1022
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,200
out and offstage and stuff.

1023
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,200
That stuff is entertaining.

1024
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,860
Sorry, I'm rambling.

1025
01:05:50,860 --> 01:05:53,960
This movie is at its best, in my opinion, the concerts.

1026
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,000
Yes, the concerts are incredible.

1027
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:03,360
Yeah, because Oliver Stone's wide angle lens and there's a fuckload of people in these

1028
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:09,440
in these settings and they're all like engaged in what's going on and there's so much great

1029
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:10,440
camera work.

1030
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:11,440
It's like in the cramp.

1031
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,600
Yeah, so much great editing.

1032
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:21,920
And to the kind of to what you were saying is I see the A to B here where and listening

1033
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,240
to the doors today.

1034
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:31,040
Oh, characteristic of the doors to me is trance.

1035
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,040
Yeah.

1036
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:38,880
It puts you in a trance and that is visually represented in the movie, by the way, that

1037
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,800
people react to it, what they end up doing, all of the debauchery and all of the stuff

1038
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:48,240
that the crowd and, you know, I like how that's sensational.

1039
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,040
Like I'll criticize other stuff, but like how they sensationalize like how powerful

1040
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,640
the music is to people where they just like, I must take my clothes.

1041
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,880
Yeah, I like that.

1042
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:58,880
Help myself.

1043
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,520
You know, it's great.

1044
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:06,240
I can't wrap my mind around the idea of somebody.

1045
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,240
Storming a stage to pass off.

1046
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,240
Baby goat.

1047
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,000
Like give him something.

1048
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,520
Touch him like, you know, anything like that.

1049
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,640
It's really, I've never understood it as a person who loves music.

1050
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,760
It's gone to a fuckload of concerts.

1051
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,840
You know, there's never been a compulsion for me to be like, I need to be a part of

1052
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:27,840
this.

1053
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:28,840
I have to.

1054
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:29,840
I have to touch this.

1055
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:35,200
I have to, you know, grab this and like, you know, make it real to me because this is just

1056
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:42,440
so ethereal and so greater than me that it is just calling my name, you know.

1057
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:48,480
And but all of that is in my mind is also criticisms of the hippie movement.

1058
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:52,080
The A to B here is that the doors put people in a trance.

1059
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,680
Oliver Stone feels like the whole hippie movement is in a trance.

1060
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,960
It's a reason that they are in a trance is because they are induced on drugs and then

1061
01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:06,040
they're these enigmatic figures like Jim Morrison, just encourage it.

1062
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:11,440
You know, the music is in is entrancing and it just never really gets into any sort of

1063
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:16,240
activism that any of these characters are interested in that never like comes up.

1064
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,240
That's such a good point.

1065
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,000
That is never comes up.

1066
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,920
A scathing indictment, if you will.

1067
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:22,920
I love it.

1068
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,600
I mean, like, because I think you're bringing this up a lot and it's like, I think that

1069
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:30,640
is very purposeful by Oliver Stone because they go straight, you know, they going to

1070
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:35,520
hate Ashbury, which I think is a fun little montage of like, hey, look at all these fun

1071
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,520
hippies hanging out at hate Ashbury.

1072
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:38,520
Woo, hate Ashbury.

1073
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,680
No, then just like having a picnic.

1074
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:46,960
But there's no point where like we need to clearly do something with like our voice

1075
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,360
and our power as musicians.

1076
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:52,920
I'm not saying they need to, but Jim Morrison himself is like, and the character that's

1077
01:08:52,920 --> 01:09:00,120
presented in this movie is like saying a lot of big, deep things and very what would be

1078
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:07,080
the word like, like out there or, you know, if you're like a just high concept sort of

1079
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:11,560
sort of stuff that never gets boiled down to it's like, OK, Jim, well, what should we

1080
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:12,560
do about it?

1081
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:17,080
You know, they're like, you're such a great leader and you're in your passing knowledge

1082
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:22,760
from the mountaintop, but a lot of it is so philosophical and never comes down to like,

1083
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,320
hey, maybe we pass around petition or something or something.

1084
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,480
Right, something like, I don't know.

1085
01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:30,480
I couldn't.

1086
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:35,080
I'm not a lame movie that I'm bringing up or but just I think Oliver Stone definitely

1087
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:40,040
has an issue with the follow through of his ideals and that's we multiple times.

1088
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:47,640
Or the follow or the follow through or is just in have very critical of these movements

1089
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:54,320
that have happened in America and their follow through and he and it's just that's.

1090
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,760
Yeah, where is the scene where Jim's at a protest?

1091
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:05,320
Sure, I guess you would argue that his true like the way that he handles the police is

1092
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:14,200
a stance, but like more often than not, it's.

1093
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,200
It's kind of I don't side with the police at all.

1094
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:23,040
I was kind of like, especially in the beginning, they both were like really active in like

1095
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,880
shutting the performances down.

1096
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,440
I love how dumb they make them.

1097
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:29,280
Like I like how they fucking take the piss out of the cops.

1098
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:30,280
Like that's great.

1099
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:31,280
Oh, I love that.

1100
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:37,800
But because I just I couldn't wrap my mind around why, for example, one of the early

1101
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:48,080
concerts, the like owner or whoever is making an edict of like you can't do like a lot.

1102
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:53,280
There's a lot of like either cops or people that work in the industry being like you can't

1103
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:54,280
do this.

1104
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:55,600
You need to stop doing this.

1105
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:56,600
All of this stuff.

1106
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,640
And I'm like.

1107
01:10:58,640 --> 01:10:59,640
Why?

1108
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,000
You know, this is a rock and roll concert.

1109
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,560
Like, where is the.

1110
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,280
Why do you have cops on stage?

1111
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:10,000
You know, like I and it's because I wasn't part of that era, so I don't know.

1112
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,920
But it just seems so crazy to me that cops would be on stage at a rock show because

1113
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,080
like I think that was.

1114
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:26,360
I'm trying to remember when that started, but I know that the New Haven show was a big

1115
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:31,160
nice that that was a big one.

1116
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,960
And was that the one where we're with the Mace?

1117
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:34,960
Yeah.

1118
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:35,960
Yeah.

1119
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:39,120
And I'm trying to think of the cops were up at that point or not, but I'm pretty sure

1120
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:43,760
that was like a thing at some of his shows was like there would be cops like.

1121
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:48,560
Kind of as just a representation of like, don't storm the stage and like a representation

1122
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:53,000
of like, don't let things like get out of hand of them just being on stage with with

1123
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,840
Jim Morrison, because I feel like the amount of there is certain things I feel like Oliver

1124
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,720
Stone is worried about in terms of accuracy.

1125
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:07,600
But as prevalent and as often as those cop lineups, I'm not sure, but I know that one

1126
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:08,600
was a big deal.

1127
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:12,800
And I can imagine after he had that big run and maybe they want to establish a police

1128
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,920
presence at his shows, moving forward or something.

1129
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:25,360
But that out of control feeling that you have at that New Haven show is definitely a great

1130
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:26,520
example.

1131
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:33,360
And some of the other shows, of course, later too, but he really taps into the chaos of

1132
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,960
those live moments with the editing.

1133
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:37,960
Amazing crowd work.

1134
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:43,480
Like I don't know how they get the crowd so jacked up and on the same page.

1135
01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:49,280
And I really do think it might just be Val Kilmer, like being up there, like being being

1136
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:55,280
a stage presence as well and doing his best to be a Jim Morrison for the people, the extras

1137
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,280
and everything on there.

1138
01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:00,360
Because it is like, awesome, man.

1139
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:05,960
Like you feel the if you want to just watch a movie and have a bunch of doors music play,

1140
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:10,640
this movie serves that this movie visually serves the concert element as well.

1141
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,640
Some of the biopic stuff and some of the interstitial dialogue, all that stuff is where it kind

1142
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:19,360
of gets a little spotty, you know, the fleshing out of it all.

1143
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,440
But showing that he fucking nails it.

1144
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:31,360
He nails those the feeling and the sound and the ratcheting up of chaos in those moments,

1145
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:37,480
which I think comes from a place of maybe even being in protests himself at that time.

1146
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:43,360
Or being in, you know, being around him around the movie and at that time growing up and

1147
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:49,240
feeling that that and ratcheting up of tension in a way.

1148
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:50,240
Yeah.

1149
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:51,880
And that that was done done really well.

1150
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:56,920
Well, I'm carrying him away and all like the little, what do you want to say a little

1151
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,640
man?

1152
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:00,640
Great stuff.

1153
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,600
I take a look at my notes.

1154
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,800
See if there's anything else.

1155
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:10,800
So go to so shifting gears away from the concerts for Tangent is I want to talk about

1156
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,800
the Andy Warhol scene.

1157
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,640
Oh, Crispin.

1158
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,120
Crispin was born to play Andy Warhol.

1159
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:19,120
Holy fuck.

1160
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,200
Like he went, which apparently he met Andy Warhol.

1161
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:31,440
I read a trivia thing on IMDB about how he went.

1162
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:39,040
Him was that somebody's birthday and he met him.

1163
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,840
So I could imagine he had a little bit of like, I actually kind of know what this guy

1164
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,640
was like.

1165
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:53,520
But man, he is the perfect Andy Warhol because he just he everything about Crispin Glover

1166
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:59,360
is I feel like it has so many similarities in my mind to Andy Warhol where it is just

1167
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:09,120
such a he's so much behind like going on in his head.

1168
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:16,560
He's not a commanding presence because he's just so kind of tender framed and a little

1169
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:27,280
I don't know, unassured at times of himself, but then also knows what he's doing is right.

1170
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,240
So there's never like a full backing down of it.

1171
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:35,080
And I thought it was such a great moment where Jim just takes Andy's glasses and just puts

1172
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:40,720
it on and then Andy's just like in rapture like, wow, look at this guy just steal my

1173
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,040
shit in front of me.

1174
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:47,880
No one's ever done this, you know, and then also in that talking about like doing an art

1175
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:52,160
show with all blank wall like just a blank wall like and that's just like that's like

1176
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:57,600
nailing the the egos of those of those guys at the time.

1177
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:58,600
Right.

1178
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,720
Yeah, they said that they would just like the reason that they said that is because they

1179
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:07,800
had an art show and then Jim there was like art on the wall at a show that Jim played

1180
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,360
and people were like ruining it.

1181
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,200
So they had to remove the art.

1182
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,560
And so then that spawn like, well, maybe we just have a show with nothing in it.

1183
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,040
But that's like kind of a fucking joke.

1184
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,480
That's almost like all of our stone being like, yeah, again, like making fun of them,

1185
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:26,120
you know, being like, yeah, Andy Warhol would make a room full of nothing and be like, this

1186
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:27,200
is the new thing.

1187
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,000
This is art, whatever.

1188
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:35,480
And it so much of the ethos of the movies and scenes like the Andy Warhol party in my

1189
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:37,840
mind where all Jim gives a shit.

1190
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,680
I think a good like foil definitely to like he's looking at like what's possible a little

1191
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:48,280
bit and what's different as well of what he wants and doesn't want in his own persona.

1192
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:49,280
That's true.

1193
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:50,280
Or just the.

1194
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:51,280
Well said.

1195
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:52,280
Yes.

1196
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:56,800
Because he knows that he needs to be a persona because now he's reached, you know, the upper

1197
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:57,800
echelon.

1198
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,920
Now he's, you know, rubbing elbows with all these people like Paul Williams, which I thought

1199
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,760
was like such a weird character.

1200
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,360
The, do you know who Paul Williams is?

1201
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:12,760
He's the guy with the glasses glasses and he's like Andy Warhol's PR person and he just

1202
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,680
says like weird shit all the time.

1203
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:16,680
Yeah.

1204
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:21,240
And he's like, you gotta come meet Andy and just like, it's a bunch of just weirdo shit,

1205
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:26,400
which reminds me of like Bill Hader's character from SNL or something like, oh, you we have

1206
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:27,800
to go to the latest club.

1207
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:33,840
It's down in the basement under an old trampoline and there's people that shine flashlights

1208
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:34,840
on you.

1209
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,880
It's called, you know, the club guy that's on week and update.

1210
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:38,880
Oh, no, I know.

1211
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:43,160
I just thought it's just weird that you said Bill Hader because he played Andy Warhol

1212
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:44,760
in Men in Black 3.

1213
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,640
Oh, I forgot about that.

1214
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:47,640
Wow.

1215
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,160
Yeah, we're making connections.

1216
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:55,720
And then you have Michael Madsen's playing that actor who I'm not super familiar with,

1217
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,360
but he was backstered.

1218
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,640
Sam Baker, I think something like that.

1219
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:04,000
Baker, you know, he was a he was a doctor who I guess.

1220
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:05,000
Oh, wow.

1221
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:10,880
At one point, not the first, but like at that time, he was a, I believe a doctor who, but

1222
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:15,080
yeah, it was a big friend of his because he was constantly showing up throughout the movie,

1223
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,880
which was kind of like Michael Madsen was smiling a lot.

1224
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:22,680
I like a smiley Madsen because a lot of times he's so, so grim and has that he's scowling

1225
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:23,680
and stuff.

1226
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:28,400
And he's just a lot of a lot of smiley and a lot of hair, a lot of hair at this time,

1227
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:29,400
a lot of hair in the.

1228
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,480
Oh yeah, a ton of hair.

1229
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:36,840
You know, what's funny too is this is like another Michael Madsen performance where when

1230
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,000
I saw him come into the picture, I was like, well, this guy's totally trouble.

1231
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,880
Like this guy, you just take one look at him and they're like, well, this guy is going

1232
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,160
to be up to no good.

1233
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,800
Like you can Jim Morrison's a real trouble in all of this.

1234
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:50,800
Absolutely.

1235
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,800
And yeah, so at this point, this gets into the major ascension.

1236
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,800
I mean, a lot of the beats through the middle portion of this movie, I don't know.

1237
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,600
We necessarily need to talk about feeling good.

1238
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:04,200
I feel like we've, we've, we've been rolling through some Miami concert.

1239
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,480
I think that would be a good, like big portion.

1240
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:11,120
I mean, there's the Ed Sullivan thing where like they really embellished the get much

1241
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:15,600
higher thing, which he didn't really do that to like piss people off.

1242
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:20,480
Like, and maybe it's not true, but he later said that he just forgot because he was nervous

1243
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:23,560
and said the real thing because he doesn't, when you see the recording and doesn't like

1244
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:27,120
go up to the camera and he's like, yeah, yeah.

1245
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:28,120
Right.

1246
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:29,120
Yeah.

1247
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:33,320
But I mean, yeah, like the, the, they're hitting the big moments that are memorable of their

1248
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,320
career as a band.

1249
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:39,720
I'm just, yeah, I was looking through some of Kathleen, Kathleen Quinlan.

1250
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,280
My notes here.

1251
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,480
Oh, the witch.

1252
01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:44,480
Witchy.

1253
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:45,480
Have you ever drank blood?

1254
01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:46,480
Blood.

1255
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:47,480
Oh my God.

1256
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:48,480
And then introduces Jim DeCoak.

1257
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:49,480
Yeah.

1258
01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:51,480
He's like, and then what does he say?

1259
01:19:51,480 --> 01:19:56,480
He's like another, he says something to the effect of like, oh, another new thing.

1260
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:57,480
Like, yeah.

1261
01:19:57,480 --> 01:19:58,480
Add it on.

1262
01:19:58,480 --> 01:19:59,480
Oh yeah.

1263
01:19:59,480 --> 01:20:00,480
He's just like, oh yeah, we're doing coke now.

1264
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:01,480
Okay.

1265
01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:02,480
Whatever.

1266
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:03,480
Let's try it.

1267
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:04,480
Yeah.

1268
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:05,480
What the fuck?

1269
01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:06,480
It's just like, cool.

1270
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:07,480
Yeah.

1271
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:08,480
Like, whatever.

1272
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:13,720
I mean, I don't know if she says it, someone says God of Rock and Cock, I think, or maybe

1273
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:14,720
that's the photographer.

1274
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:15,720
That's the photographer.

1275
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,720
That was, that was something.

1276
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:22,320
Does life imitate art or does life imitate Andy?

1277
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,320
I think that's what the assistant said.

1278
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:26,320
Oh my God.

1279
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:31,600
That's another one where like Oliver Stone is writing bad lines to show how much he kind

1280
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,600
of hates certain things.

1281
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,080
I feel like, but you see, you get Nico.

1282
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,480
That was kind of fun.

1283
01:20:37,480 --> 01:20:38,480
You get me.

1284
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:39,480
Billy Idol, too.

1285
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:41,920
But it was such like a technically Billy.

1286
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:42,920
Yeah.

1287
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,280
He plays cat, I think.

1288
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:53,620
But that was such like a big, like her walking in spotlight and her being like, I'm Nico.

1289
01:20:53,620 --> 01:20:55,720
It's like, okay.

1290
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:56,720
Okay.

1291
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:57,720
You got that.

1292
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:58,720
Yeah.

1293
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,440
We got Venus Inferis playing as you're walking in.

1294
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:06,800
And I yeah, we can probably, this was also a moment to me that was really funny because

1295
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,800
of Delvin underground was playing and I was like, yeah, Venus Inferis.

1296
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:10,800
Yeah.

1297
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:11,800
I like this more.

1298
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:12,800
The door.

1299
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:13,800
Shiny, shiny.

1300
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:21,360
Well, then they play and then they play heroin later too, which yeah, great, great polls.

1301
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:28,280
And I, but somebody gave me this telephone to talk to God and they just like carry on

1302
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:31,720
the telephone and like someone like passes it off to a homeless.

1303
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:38,080
Yeah, man, it makes me cringe like artistic hippie man.

1304
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:39,080
Damn it.

1305
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:45,000
Oliver Stone, you make them look like real assholes, but I'm sure they were heads up

1306
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,400
their own asses a lot of times too.

1307
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,720
Elevator blow job and then you get.

1308
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:50,720
Yeah.

1309
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:51,720
There's good and bad, right?

1310
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,960
There's good and bad with everything of every every movement.

1311
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:55,960
Yeah.

1312
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:00,720
You know, and it's, but this movie goes to lengths to only show this as a.

1313
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:04,160
It's kind of showing off out of everybody though too.

1314
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:05,160
Yeah.

1315
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:09,360
It's like there's not a lot of, you know, you get, you get like the concerts where

1316
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:14,240
it's like the music is great and everyone's having good time until they don't near the

1317
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:15,240
end.

1318
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:19,160
But yeah, the elevator blow job and then the face where you like Meg Ryan opens or he's

1319
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,160
like.

1320
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:34,520
I mean, so you're assuming that he came in a matter of.

1321
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:39,680
Yeah, I think that opening in her face was like the thing that really like, because

1322
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:43,840
there's a point where you like, you can't get it up until really weird shit.

1323
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,600
He does weird shit and that's when you can fuck.

1324
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:50,320
So that's like, it's like, oh, I'm getting off now.

1325
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,280
This is fucking weird.

1326
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:55,280
It's okay.

1327
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:56,280
It happens to a lot of guys.

1328
01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:01,440
I just need to get an elevator blow job and have the door open on my.

1329
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:05,080
Or my current girlfriend drinking blood, epic music.

1330
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:06,080
Okay.

1331
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,080
Fuck death away.

1332
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:08,080
Yeah.

1333
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,080
That's the big thing in this movie.

1334
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:16,440
I don't really know if I care for how much that's foreshadowed.

1335
01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:21,680
His him like, yeah, we know he's going to die very tragically at a young age, but it's

1336
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,800
like how the foreshadow is.

1337
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:24,800
Is a little heavy handed.

1338
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:29,520
There's a lot of heavy hand heavy handed shit in the spirit.

1339
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,680
He pisses in the bar that was fucked up.

1340
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,440
Or he just started like, get this motherfucker out of here.

1341
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:37,200
Yeah, you can't piss in the bar dude.

1342
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,200
Come on.

1343
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,760
What an asshole.

1344
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:48,240
That move is similar to me that I was just kind of a gas dad where he rolls up to somebody's

1345
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:53,640
house and he just like parts in the middle of the street.

1346
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,160
Just kids out.

1347
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,200
The world's my toilet.

1348
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,400
I'm just fucking.

1349
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:03,680
It's like, wow, what a monster this guy is.

1350
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,120
He doesn't even park his car.

1351
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:10,920
He just stops whenever he wants to get out.

1352
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:11,920
Yeah.

1353
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:20,280
And then he fucking just blew my mind that this was in the movie and I I saw online.

1354
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,440
I pretty I'm almost positive it didn't happen.

1355
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:28,080
But when he fucking locks Meg Ryan in a closet and lights it on fire and runs out of the

1356
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:33,960
house and runs into it and then drives and crashes into a cop.

1357
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,560
I'm like, what is going on?

1358
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,800
And like that and like that.

1359
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,120
That was just and she was so fucking high.

1360
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:46,000
I think she was on smack or whatever and he's pissed about it.

1361
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,200
But that was real hypocrite.

1362
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:49,200
Fuck you, dude.

1363
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:50,200
That's like irredeemable.

1364
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,200
Yeah.

1365
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,240
That's something that's not even that didn't even really happen.

1366
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:59,440
That is so specific is like where I almost start to get a little bit like you're playing

1367
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:00,960
with fire.

1368
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,840
So you know what I mean?

1369
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:11,160
To this point, so the Cisco and Ebert review of this movie, Ebert gave it a thumbs down

1370
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,360
two and a half out of four.

1371
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,840
I have a snippet for review section later.

1372
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:16,840
I can bring it up.

1373
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:18,840
So I can just read it now if you want.

1374
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:20,280
No, no, it's OK.

1375
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,680
I can just like.

1376
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:32,360
His it was so interesting to hear his just succinct opinion of it because he went.

1377
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,560
I love the performance of Val Kilmer.

1378
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,480
I love the concerts.

1379
01:25:37,480 --> 01:25:39,760
I bought the soundtrack.

1380
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,600
It teleported me back into the time, which I enjoyed.

1381
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:50,640
Boo, don't like this movie because of all of everything else.

1382
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:57,480
Just especially how the way that he said it is, is that this movie is I wanted to run

1383
01:25:57,480 --> 01:25:59,040
away from it at a point.

1384
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:04,600
This movie was so unenjoyable that I don't I can't recommend it to people.

1385
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:11,600
Yeah, that's then the Cisco being like, wait a minute, you just said it looked great.

1386
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:15,040
It was acted well and you like the music.

1387
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:16,040
Wait a minute.

1388
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,040
You don't like this movie.

1389
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:23,200
And then he's like, yeah, I just, you know, I can't get behind how, you know, how terrible

1390
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,280
of a person he seemed to be at the end of it.

1391
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,560
And you're like, whoa, OK.

1392
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:28,560
Interesting.

1393
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:29,560
Yeah.

1394
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,720
Yeah, I don't know.

1395
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:36,440
It's like I'm kind of OK with it if it is real, but there's something that felt kind

1396
01:26:36,440 --> 01:26:40,520
of off as far as like how sensationalism is.

1397
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:45,040
I worked so many times, but like how how big it felt by the end of it.

1398
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:49,560
I was like, I'm just curious, like this is a real person, a well-known person.

1399
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,880
There's a lot of people that have had their experiences with them.

1400
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:52,880
Let's see what they have to say.

1401
01:26:52,880 --> 01:27:02,160
A lot of them are like, say that it was portrayed way too like mean and the substance abuse

1402
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:08,040
was on a whole other level and there are so many other wonderful sides of him as a person

1403
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:12,840
that didn't get their time on the screen.

1404
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:18,720
And that to me tells me that, yeah, yeah, maybe you're interested in more than a negative

1405
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:23,480
dark side, but maybe the audience wants to have the full full picture in a different

1406
01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:24,480
way.

1407
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:25,480
But yeah, totally.

1408
01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:31,920
Yeah, that's I guess what happens when you give it to a director and he works within

1409
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,080
those means.

1410
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:39,040
And that's I'm curious what it would be like in different hands, but there's other things

1411
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:44,000
that you would lose like that of Alcomer performance in the in the concerts.

1412
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:48,700
So you knew how to pull off and we get into I was just going to wrap up here with a little

1413
01:27:48,700 --> 01:27:55,040
bit of the ending of like, and yeah, and it's just they lay into like every senior belly

1414
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,400
lately, it's like, geez, lay out like be nice to the guy.

1415
01:27:58,400 --> 01:27:59,400
Like I don't know.

1416
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,040
People get all you'd like thinking a little bit of a belly.

1417
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:06,480
I know he's going through substance abuse and everything too, but just how much they

1418
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:10,120
lay into him and everything was just like very.

1419
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:11,800
He's burned all the bridges though, James.

1420
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:12,800
Like shadowing.

1421
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:18,240
And so at least in the context of the movie, like why would anybody cut him a fucking break?

1422
01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:22,960
Like he we've just only seen him as somebody who literally playing into things that are

1423
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:23,960
like.

1424
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:30,000
I just mythologize from an outsider's perspective of Jim Morrison as a character.

1425
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:35,720
And yeah, like he got a little chubbier by the end as did as did Elvis and a lot of other

1426
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,680
rock stars and all this stuff.

1427
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:43,880
But just that kind of thing and the foreshadowing of death was something that was playing into

1428
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,640
very basic things that we all know about Jim Morrison in such an obvious sort of way within

1429
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:49,440
the dialogue that wasn't subtle.

1430
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:52,200
And there's a lot about this movie that isn't fucking subtle.

1431
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:59,880
And it's like, and it could have done ways of calling out his being a little overweight

1432
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:01,280
in different ways really.

1433
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,000
Hey, Jim, you're getting fat.

1434
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:04,000
Look at that belly.

1435
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,000
You know, I don't know.

1436
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:10,400
It's just, it's just the writing is not very subtle in some of these parts.

1437
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:15,880
Line that was said by the guitarist on one of the last performances that I wish rang more

1438
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:20,280
true throughout more of the movie, arguably, like, or at least like, I don't know, like

1439
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:26,200
honed in better to this idea as the guitarist was like something.

1440
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:35,280
It was somebody who talks about pain being a good thing.

1441
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:40,200
You're constantly running away from it.

1442
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:48,160
And I just when that line came out because amidst all of the kind of bullshit in the

1443
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,960
in the writing, when that came in, it was like, whoa.

1444
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:53,520
Yeah, man.

1445
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:54,520
Like.

1446
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:59,240
That is that's exactly what's happening.

1447
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:05,600
And it was a real kind of shining light moment where, yeah, I thought that was good that somebody

1448
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:12,000
fucking brought it up, you know, that this guy again, it's but in the context of the

1449
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,000
movie, right?

1450
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:19,440
Like he has been shown as being such a huge hypocrite and somebody is calling him out for

1451
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:20,440
it.

1452
01:30:20,440 --> 01:30:24,400
But in a way that was actually really tender and came from a place of compassion, you know,

1453
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:29,800
like the Robbie Krieger, Craig or whatever.

1454
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,360
I loved that guy.

1455
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:35,360
I love the like what he kind of stood for in the movie.

1456
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:44,160
I love the actor that played him is just like what we said in the beginning about him recognizing

1457
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:50,160
what Jim's vibe is and then trying to fit the music to that because, you know, that's

1458
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:57,520
how it would be successful to accomplish the music or to make the music like work the best.

1459
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:04,000
He just always had these moments are the movie where he would do drugs with Jim, but he would

1460
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,320
provide a little bit of like honest feedback about it.

1461
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:13,000
And yeah, I wanted to call that out because it really stood out.

1462
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:17,440
Yeah, I like that that concert where he took he popped something to and was kind of chuckling

1463
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:18,440
at everything that was happening.

1464
01:31:18,440 --> 01:31:21,160
He's just like he's going to laugh the whole time.

1465
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:22,160
The chaos of it all.

1466
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:27,200
And that was kind of the humanity came in because there was someone else that was on

1467
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:32,400
Jim's level that Jim's whole mind and everything about him seems so like unattainable by anybody

1468
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:38,320
else around that to have that connection could use maybe a little bit more of that and even

1469
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:44,880
more with him and Ray, you know, which very quickly moved into contentious from them being

1470
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:46,120
like buddies.

1471
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:50,800
It moved right past that very quickly, unfortunately.

1472
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:52,720
And then also Kevin Dylan's character.

1473
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:55,360
Oh, no, I was going to give you another beautiful line.

1474
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:59,720
You gave such a beautiful line that I wanted to give another another good line spoken by

1475
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:03,840
Val Kilmer when he's they're having a hard time in the recording session, I think during

1476
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:09,240
a come on, come on now, touch me, babe.

1477
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:13,680
And when he's storming out of the recording session, he says to the producer, why don't

1478
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:22,880
you suck a fart of my fart out of my asshole, you slave driving fascist.

1479
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,560
That was to Paul Rothschild, right?

1480
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:26,560
That's the love that actor.

1481
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:27,560
He's in the account of money.

1482
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,920
So that's the yeah, he is.

1483
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:31,920
Uh-huh.

1484
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:32,920
Oh, my god.

1485
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:37,200
His voice that ducks like a David Graham.

1486
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:41,360
Yeah, like a like a fire fire steam.

1487
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,680
What's Harvey Fierstein?

1488
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:48,120
I mean, yeah, I mean, I can't do it.

1489
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,240
Hey, Jim, it's me, Harvey Fierstein.

1490
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,520
Yeah, you have an incredible heart.

1491
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,400
And James had to step away for a second.

1492
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:59,440
I've heard you want to talk about the doors.

1493
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:02,600
Oh, holy shit.

1494
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:04,760
This is wow.

1495
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,200
Steen is on fire.

1496
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:07,200
Okay.

1497
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:08,200
It is.

1498
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:09,200
I gotta go.

1499
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:13,000
James actually left and Harvey Fierstein was here.

1500
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:14,720
Yeah, but I gotta go.

1501
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:15,720
I got things to do.

1502
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:16,720
Okay.

1503
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:17,720
By RV.

1504
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:20,720
Yeah, I'll see you later.

1505
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:21,720
What I miss.

1506
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:25,240
Hey, oh, you missed Harvey Fierstein.

1507
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:31,200
You know, he's not really in this movie, but he heard that we were talking about a Michael

1508
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:36,680
Windcaw performance and just had to, you know, show face because, you know, people with the

1509
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:42,960
same vocal, you know, characteristics, the, you know, the lines on the podcast sometimes.

1510
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:47,720
Yeah, maybe we'll, yeah, we some occasional we'll get someone just, it's not a call,

1511
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:51,640
but it's a it's a drop in somehow with these faulty wires.

1512
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,760
So we'll try to work on them.

1513
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:59,200
They watch a TV in the studio with the volume all the way on.

1514
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:00,440
I thought that was interesting.

1515
01:34:00,440 --> 01:34:04,680
Like, why is this TV in a studio and the volume's on?

1516
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,680
Shouldn't they be worried about?

1517
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:07,680
The studio?

1518
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:08,680
Yes, but muted.

1519
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:10,560
Well, I guess muting.

1520
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:11,560
They're watching.

1521
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:15,360
They're like what they're like in the middle of like in between a recording session, they're

1522
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,560
like, Hey, it's a commercial for a light my fire that just happens to play.

1523
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,760
It is just such like a coincidence.

1524
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:22,760
Perfect.

1525
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:23,760
Yeah.

1526
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:29,320
And Meg Ryan like comes into it like, Oh, that was, that was the most painful, dramatic

1527
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:33,640
moment that did not work at all was like they're having this big fight with the band.

1528
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:38,440
And Meg Ryan very like, unnaturally just pushes herself in the situation.

1529
01:34:38,440 --> 01:34:41,040
It was like, you got to pull yourself together, Jim.

1530
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:42,040
This isn't working.

1531
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,040
And like, what, where'd you come from?

1532
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:45,040
Where do you do it here?

1533
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:48,800
Like, part of the scene, she walks in and makes a big grand statement.

1534
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:53,320
It was so out of place and, and it's unfortunate because she needed that moment, but it was

1535
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:56,000
like a part of another moment that was already happening.

1536
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:57,720
That was, that was strange.

1537
01:34:57,720 --> 01:34:59,920
There's a Wilhelm scream at one point.

1538
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:02,720
I think that might have been at the Miami concert.

1539
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,720
I didn't notice that.

1540
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:06,720
Yeah.

1541
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:08,720
That was really hard.

1542
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:10,720
Um, yeah.

1543
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:13,600
Like there's this whole final really fucking cool.

1544
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:14,600
Yeah.

1545
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:15,600
Yeah.

1546
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:16,600
We should talk about that.

1547
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:17,600
That was amazing.

1548
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:21,400
That was like a moment where I was so glued to the screen.

1549
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,680
I mentioned ratcheting and attention.

1550
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:29,920
Like there's a portion right before it gets really crazy where he like is singing the

1551
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,640
song with the different lyrics.

1552
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,880
I forget what he changes the lyrics to, but it's, it's pretty funny.

1553
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,720
And then he just was like, no, it's fucking stop.

1554
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,000
And he cuts it off and he cuts the song off and starts screaming some more.

1555
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,520
And it was like, what are you going to fucking do?

1556
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:45,800
Like, what are you going to do?

1557
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:47,400
You're all fucking slaves.

1558
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,840
Like it was so good, man.

1559
01:35:49,840 --> 01:36:01,040
Like it, it made me feel in a way like I was there and the editing and the chaos was very

1560
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:02,040
well handled.

1561
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:05,320
I don't know how there's a bonfire of that being in the middle of a concert, but it was

1562
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:07,400
so cool for the setting.

1563
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:08,400
Absolutely.

1564
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:19,800
And then a part of, part of that that I love is there is this moment where Jim is a magic

1565
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:26,440
man, imagining himself in there and you can see both of them at one point where there's

1566
01:36:26,440 --> 01:36:31,280
the gym that's by the fire dancing around and then the gym that's on stage.

1567
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:37,920
And it just gives you such a great perspective of in the crowd, like what's happening in

1568
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:39,480
there.

1569
01:36:39,480 --> 01:36:43,800
And it is so cool.

1570
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:45,520
It's so yeah.

1571
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:46,520
Like.

1572
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:47,520
Yeah.

1573
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:52,120
I'm at a loss for words a little bit because I just I, I too was glued.

1574
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:53,120
Yeah.

1575
01:36:53,120 --> 01:37:01,120
It's like you get the best version of understanding what a crazy genius kind of has the full come

1576
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:09,400
up in some of him as a person of what that's led to the substance abuse and and using the

1577
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:21,040
stage as a drug as well and how that has been distorted and now he is using them as a way

1578
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:28,320
to work through his own shit and in a in a way where it's sad.

1579
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:36,920
Interesting to watch and also has music, historical qualities that is something that I think both

1580
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:42,680
of us are are interested and curious about of being in shows that don't go well as well

1581
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:47,120
as we've been in shows where fire marshals come in and shut the shit down, you know,

1582
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:53,480
and it's fucking kind of a weird feeling where riot police is coming in and shuffling you

1583
01:37:53,480 --> 01:37:54,480
out of a show.

1584
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:57,720
We've had situations like that.

1585
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:06,520
And yeah, because it's so chaotic, like it's there's such little communication in the

1586
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:11,600
moments that we've experienced together when that's happened, like it could have gone better

1587
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:16,600
if there was more clear direction or updates about what was going on.

1588
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,080
But there's none of that.

1589
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:24,120
Things just stop and everybody just sits around speculating and creating their own narratives

1590
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:25,120
in their head.

1591
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:30,520
And a majority of people who paid money to go there is like, well, I'm not leaving until

1592
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:36,960
you force me out of here and it just it would serve so much better in those situations if

1593
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:42,440
organizers would be more vocal about what these updates are.

1594
01:38:42,440 --> 01:38:45,280
So then people could adapt to that.

1595
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:49,520
And then Miami show looked like a nightmare that stage crashing.

1596
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:52,520
When you think of like Travis Scott, you know, that kind of shit.

1597
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:53,520
Travis.

1598
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:54,520
Yeah, I'm fucking scared.

1599
01:38:54,520 --> 01:39:02,600
You don't know how a mob of people can react and but this one was more so just so well done

1600
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:10,400
with the perspective of Jim Morrison and then incorporating some of the Native American sort

1601
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:14,840
of stuff that's been pushed through the movie up to this point and him running through the

1602
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:18,880
crowd and the woman standing by the fire gets into.

1603
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:24,080
Yeah, you feel the hallucinatory sort of effects just by watching it.

1604
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:30,360
And I think that's where it comes across of whether it's put on by drugs or not.

1605
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:34,080
It's a collective hallucinatory hallucinatory experience.

1606
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:39,720
And I almost felt like just whether you're taking anything or not, just having his mind

1607
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:44,560
and his words and music could just have that effect itself.

1608
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:48,600
And then it gets into this, I don't know, this final scene with the band didn't work

1609
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:57,400
for me because and I I understand why, but it felt like they were really like knew he

1610
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:00,800
was going to die right at Thanksgiving.

1611
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:04,520
No, when they're like saying goodbye when he's about to move to France, I guess we

1612
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:08,600
didn't talk about Thanksgiving too much, but you know, I'm near the end here.

1613
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:12,600
Like he is saying bye to all of them before they moved to France and they are just like

1614
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:18,320
devastated as if they're talking to him on his deathbed and their life.

1615
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,840
And I get that he's not in a great place.

1616
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:24,760
He's using a lot of subs and maybe he's not going to be around.

1617
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:31,240
You know, who knows if if, but they are treating it like it's they're saying goodbye forever.

1618
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:33,400
And it's the play well.

1619
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:38,760
I like, and that's the kind of stuff that it's overly foreshadowed, overly sentimental,

1620
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:43,040
overly dramatic and playing into these things that haven't happened yet.

1621
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:47,800
And the foreshadowing hits too hard where it's like, just it doesn't.

1622
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:52,720
It's not natural and then it ends up not having the prescribed feeling that you want to have.

1623
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:57,280
But I did like the final text and seeing the Gravestone cemetery.

1624
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,720
That was I really liked that.

1625
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:00,720
That was good.

1626
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:02,560
I visited that gravestone in real life.

1627
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,440
Was it all kind of like graffiti and stuff to Jim Morrison's part?

1628
01:41:05,440 --> 01:41:06,440
A little bit.

1629
01:41:06,440 --> 01:41:07,440
A little bit.

1630
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:08,440
Yeah.

1631
01:41:08,440 --> 01:41:09,440
Yeah.

1632
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:10,440
Yeah.

1633
01:41:10,440 --> 01:41:11,440
Yeah.

1634
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:12,440
A lot of big people there.

1635
01:41:12,440 --> 01:41:13,440
A lot of big people and they show them, which was I was like, what are we doing here?

1636
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:16,840
You know, it's like kind of like to, I don't know, just.

1637
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:17,840
Yeah.

1638
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,880
None of these people necessarily have.

1639
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:21,880
Oscar Wilde.

1640
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,120
That is so those are the big ones.

1641
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:26,160
So when I went, it was Oscar Wilde.

1642
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:28,240
It was Jim Morrison.

1643
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:29,880
And then there's also.

1644
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:31,840
All the years.

1645
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:37,920
Not Bach, but one of those guys was there.

1646
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:44,240
But it's cool to see that again, because his grave is very small and like tucked away,

1647
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:51,040
you know, because like this graveyard has been there for God knows how long, you know,

1648
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:56,080
I'm going to just throw out a number that maybe I'm wrong, but like easily to like a

1649
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,960
hundred years, I would probably put it at.

1650
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:00,520
I mean, at least I'm sure.

1651
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:01,520
At least.

1652
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:02,520
Yeah.

1653
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:03,520
Probably more.

1654
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:04,520
I'm sorry.

1655
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:06,520
All the way a lot more.

1656
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:07,520
Yeah.

1657
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:08,520
Yeah.

1658
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:09,520
Probably hundreds of years.

1659
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:10,520
But yeah.

1660
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:13,680
So his grave is like really small and like really tucked away.

1661
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:21,760
And it is such a chilling experience to confront that where in your mind, you go, well, this

1662
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:27,520
person, especially at our age, you go like, well, the doors are one of the biggest bands

1663
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:28,880
ever.

1664
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:34,680
And so you kind of assume that when you go, it would be like.

1665
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:37,720
It would be more of a thing, right?

1666
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:41,600
But just like, you know, I mean, it's very poetic.

1667
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:49,080
You know, even though he was such a massive star in death, you know, it's like.

1668
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:50,080
We're all the same.

1669
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:51,080
Great equalizer.

1670
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:52,080
The same.

1671
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:53,080
Yeah.

1672
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:55,080
There's just this little, little thing in this place.

1673
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:58,120
And I think maybe there was a part of that too, where it was showing these big names,

1674
01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:02,680
but everyone, yeah, so has their little plot, you know, some bigger than others.

1675
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:09,200
But it's like, yeah, we're all in this movie does foreshadow the death part a lot.

1676
01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:12,840
And his actual death, I don't know if that really worked for me either.

1677
01:43:12,840 --> 01:43:18,360
You know, Meg Ryan walking in and just like knowing that it happened and then being like,

1678
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:23,160
I hope it was everything that you wanted just didn't really hit for me.

1679
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:26,760
How she was telling and talking to him like that and like her reaction.

1680
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:27,760
I don't know.

1681
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:31,400
That didn't play for me in the way that I feel like the movie wanted it to, but it

1682
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:32,400
wasn't bad.

1683
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,600
It just wasn't great.

1684
01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:38,560
I feel good about wrapping up on the plot here.

1685
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:45,680
I would love to move into some critics and audiences feelings on it after a brief bathroom

1686
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:46,680
break.

1687
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:47,680
That's good.

1688
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,680
We shall return.

1689
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:58,040
Oh, welcome back, everybody to the show, to the program.

1690
01:43:58,040 --> 01:43:59,360
Are we in?

1691
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,240
Are we in?

1692
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:07,560
Is everyone ready for some critic reviews and some audience reviews of polarizing rotten

1693
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:09,520
tomato scores?

1694
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,160
We got a 56% from the critics.

1695
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:18,640
We got a 79% from audiences here from critic reviews of a polarizing doors movie.

1696
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:23,200
Let's start with that Roger Ebert blurb.

1697
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:24,200
Two and a half out of four.

1698
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:26,360
He gave it.

1699
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:30,520
Watching the movie is like being stuck in a bar with an obnoxious drunk when you're

1700
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:31,520
not drinking.

1701
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:37,640
It's kind of what Jim Morrison is in this.

1702
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:40,120
Hal Henson Washington Post.

1703
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:48,720
The film is an absurdity muddled self serious alienating a stone drag.

1704
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:50,440
Peter Travers loved it by the way.

1705
01:44:50,440 --> 01:44:54,200
He gave it a four out of four, but that's not what we're here for.

1706
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:57,360
Just wanted to drop that Travers been in there.

1707
01:44:57,360 --> 01:44:59,880
Jonathan Rosenbaum, Chicago reader.

1708
01:44:59,880 --> 01:45:04,680
The movie does a pretty good job of period ambience, but it's a long haul waiting for

1709
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:09,360
the hero to keel over.

1710
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:10,360
You just was upset.

1711
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:13,640
I mean, you just not going to like a doors movie then Jonathan Rosenbaum because I'm

1712
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:17,600
yeah, well, fortunately, yeah, but.

1713
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:21,400
Probably going to die at the end and maybe you do a movie where he does.

1714
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:22,400
Right.

1715
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:28,240
What I would say just to that is I that's interesting to think about how somebody could

1716
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:34,920
go into this movie and expecting more of a like celebration of him.

1717
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:35,920
Right.

1718
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:40,360
Like obviously everybody knows that he died, but it's more of a it comes at it from a perspective

1719
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,520
of like celebrating that artist.

1720
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:45,000
And this is possible.

1721
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:51,320
I I mean, maybe I know and this is a documentary, but that fucking David Bowie documentary is

1722
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:52,560
so fucking good.

1723
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:56,200
And I would highly recommend that to to anybody.

1724
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,920
Moon Age Daydream fuck.

1725
01:45:58,920 --> 01:45:59,920
What was it called?

1726
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:00,920
Oh, yes.

1727
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:02,320
Moon Age Daydream.

1728
01:46:02,320 --> 01:46:03,320
Yes.

1729
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:04,320
Moon Age Daydream.

1730
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:05,320
Yes.

1731
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:06,320
So good.

1732
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:07,320
Highly recommend it.

1733
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:09,000
And it's so different than any other documentary.

1734
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:11,800
It doesn't do like David Bowie.

1735
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:15,680
David Bowie as it was born and blah, blah, blah, and was raised.

1736
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,560
Father was a dad and his mother was a bleh.

1737
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:24,840
And you know, it took art classes and had a very was a very smart young boy.

1738
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:32,640
It just like is fucking badass editing, weird trip, like loud, cool music with weird, awesome

1739
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:38,400
visuals and it's just a feel piece and it doesn't like there's no chronological of anything.

1740
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:43,800
It's just like throwing awesome shit at you constantly and like a long, really long, cool

1741
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:44,800
music video.

1742
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:45,800
Almost.

1743
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:46,800
It's so fucking awesome.

1744
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:47,800
Love it.

1745
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:50,200
Like put put it on really loud and check it out.

1746
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:51,200
Highly recommend.

1747
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:56,480
And the same guy that did montage of heck, which is the Kurt Cobain documentary was good

1748
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:58,000
as well.

1749
01:46:58,000 --> 01:46:59,880
The director Dave Kerr.

1750
01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:04,360
No, it's to Terrence Rafferty, the New Yorker for a while.

1751
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:09,160
The obviousness and flat out vulgarity are sort of entertaining and it might be possible

1752
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:10,920
to enjoy the movie as a camp classic.

1753
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:16,440
If you could ignore the mean spiritedness that keeps breaking through.

1754
01:47:16,440 --> 01:47:18,440
Yeah.

1755
01:47:18,440 --> 01:47:21,840
Jay Boyer, Orlando Sentinel.

1756
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:25,920
After the first hour or so, the doors, the only door I wanted to see was the one marked

1757
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:26,920
exit.

1758
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:27,920
Oh, wow.

1759
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:28,920
Boom.

1760
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:29,920
Boom.

1761
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,920
It's been a body bag.

1762
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:34,920
But it a body.

1763
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:39,920
And maybe you shouldn't be living here.

1764
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:42,920
All right, let's move on to audience reviews.

1765
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:50,680
89% from the audience from RS slash TRS five stars titled absolutely brilliant performance

1766
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:52,200
by Val Kilmer.

1767
01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:56,320
I will never understand why Val Kilmer was not at the very least nominated for an Oscar

1768
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:59,920
after his beyond brilliant portrayal of Jim Morrison.

1769
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:02,560
I know it was not an altogether truthful account of Morrison's life.

1770
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:06,800
But with that, what with what he had to work with, I can't imagine anyone surpassing his

1771
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:12,360
performance, particularly since Val sang all the songs and sounds exactly like Jim.

1772
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:16,800
Let's listen to them both sing break on through and you can tell you can't tell who's who.

1773
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:21,240
I saw the doors at RPI in New York when I was 18 and they blew me away.

1774
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:25,120
But Val brought something of himself to this role that made it come alive in a very deep

1775
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:28,680
way without sacrificing his commitment to Jim's memory.

1776
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:31,600
He's an amazing actor and this was a tour de force.

1777
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:37,200
I get chills just thinking about it.

1778
01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:39,960
Let's do another audience review.

1779
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,920
Do you want to know who was nominated for Best Actor?

1780
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:46,040
Yes.

1781
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:54,080
So for these Oscars, it was Anthony Hopkins, the Silence of the Lambs.

1782
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,080
Wow.

1783
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:56,080
Did he win?

1784
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:57,080
He won.

1785
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:58,080
Yeah, he won for that.

1786
01:48:58,080 --> 01:48:59,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1787
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:01,440
And he's on the on screen for like 20, 30 minutes.

1788
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:02,440
I know.

1789
01:49:02,440 --> 01:49:03,440
Right.

1790
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:04,440
That's great.

1791
01:49:04,440 --> 01:49:05,440
Take that.

1792
01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:06,920
Robert DeNiro keeps fear.

1793
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:16,800
Nick Multy, the Prince of Tides, Robin Williams, the Fisher King and Warren Beatty in Bugsy.

1794
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:19,160
All right.

1795
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:26,280
Some classic classic run of actors there at the time.

1796
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:28,200
But yeah, I could see.

1797
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:30,200
I could see him slotted in there somewhere.

1798
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:32,200
You know what I mean?

1799
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:33,200
Yeah.

1800
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:34,400
I wouldn't mind.

1801
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:40,960
Let's do a review from Katie Levin's a five star Val Kilmer sees to exist when those cameras

1802
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:41,960
started rolling.

1803
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:46,520
He bodied this shit as someone who has done a lot of extensive research on Jim Morrison

1804
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:49,040
in their free time and as a massive doors fan.

1805
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:54,520
It's almost scary how on it Val is in this is every movement word and singing singing

1806
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:56,720
voice are on point.

1807
01:49:56,720 --> 01:50:00,200
He also looks quite a bit like Jim, which is doubly wild.

1808
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:04,560
I truly think this movie is the best example of a well done, accurate and proper homage

1809
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:08,000
to the subject being portrayed in a biopic.

1810
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:09,480
The rest of the cast is also great.

1811
01:50:09,480 --> 01:50:13,880
But yeah, Val went off in this.

1812
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:15,640
Go off case.

1813
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:20,640
Body that shit from OK five stars.

1814
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:21,800
A door beyond measure.

1815
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:25,520
I'm afraid of cess with the manipulation of the image here.

1816
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,480
The music lives within the frame.

1817
01:50:27,480 --> 01:50:32,240
One does shit here that has only been since paralleled by the likes of Lerman and probably

1818
01:50:32,240 --> 01:50:33,560
no one else.

1819
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:36,600
Boss that is Morrison descending into the crowd.

1820
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:38,200
Body absent mind.

1821
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:40,000
Rhythm without rationale.

1822
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:44,480
Perfect mythical movie making.

1823
01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:48,520
That's interesting to think about this in relation to boss Lerman's movies because, you know,

1824
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:50,600
he just did all this, right?

1825
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:53,080
I think that's this is a review, I believe from 2024.

1826
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:54,840
Yeah, 2024 on Letterbox.

1827
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:57,440
So this is someone that's like, I saw Elvis recently.

1828
01:50:57,440 --> 01:51:00,120
And this is in this.

1829
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:03,440
I hold this in the same regard.

1830
01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:05,320
Which Elvis is very different.

1831
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:08,880
Elvis is like, let's all look at how great Elvis is.

1832
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:10,760
Do we all love Elvis?

1833
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:14,600
And mean old man that tried to fuck with them.

1834
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:15,600
But we all love Elvis.

1835
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:17,040
He can't do any wrong.

1836
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,440
And this indoors is like.

1837
01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:23,040
Jim Morrison's kind of a pretentious idiot, isn't he?

1838
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:24,040
Mm hmm.

1839
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:25,520
Did you see Priscilla?

1840
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:28,840
So I'm seeing that I need to see that one.

1841
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:29,840
That's the opposite.

1842
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:31,160
Yeah, I'm interested.

1843
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:33,840
I'm very interested in that take.

1844
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:38,120
Let's see a review from comrade U.E.

1845
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:40,160
I see a lot of hate for this on here.

1846
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:44,440
And my quixotic response is this, you won't understand this film unless you know that

1847
01:51:44,440 --> 01:51:47,520
you're living in the eon of Horus.

1848
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:53,320
If you don't got the awareness man, the awareness of the scared become a moon worshiper, be a

1849
01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:55,000
beast of back.

1850
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:56,960
That's what that's what I tell you.

1851
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,760
Kick that fascist out of your reptilian brainstem.

1852
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:04,760
He's a landlord demanding rent and has an unclog your bathtub in 23 years.

1853
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:06,320
Look man, I don't know.

1854
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:08,480
William Blake didn't die for this shit.

1855
01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:10,520
Give us a goddess who's not afraid to cry.

1856
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:11,520
Rock is dead.

1857
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:13,520
What a cute gravestone.

1858
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:16,520
Well, oh man.

1859
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:18,520
Yeah, man.

1860
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:19,520
Yeah.

1861
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:20,520
Good job.

1862
01:52:20,520 --> 01:52:23,800
Just like this man.

1863
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:27,560
I actually encapsulated this movie very well because I don't really know what the fuck

1864
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:30,040
that was about.

1865
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:34,200
I'll do one more and then we'll be done.

1866
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:37,680
This one's a little longer, but bear with me.

1867
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:39,720
Andy Summers, five stars.

1868
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:44,000
It seems like only yesterday that I ventured into the Olympia shopping center in East

1869
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:47,560
Kilbride to watch Oliver Stone's biopic on the doors.

1870
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:53,360
It was actually 1991 and I was a 21 year old on the cusp of becoming a huge doors fan.

1871
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:57,480
During my childhood, I'd been brought up listening to bands that were all far too grown

1872
01:52:57,480 --> 01:52:58,760
up for me.

1873
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:02,200
Looking back a 10 year old listening to Fleetwood Max, Skinnerd, Credence, and Led Zeppelin

1874
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:04,480
seemed odd to most of my peers.

1875
01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:09,880
I got ridiculed by older kids who were into Adam and the fucking ants and Blondie and

1876
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:13,800
throughout my teenage years I always liked different bands from people my age.

1877
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:17,920
I almost always went back in time when it came to discovering music.

1878
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:21,440
Getting into Hendrix 20 years after he was dead, much just like with Morrison in the

1879
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:22,840
doors.

1880
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:27,040
Because it just takes a spark to ignite an interest that goes deeper.

1881
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:31,280
Stone's film is often maligned for not focusing the story more on the other three members

1882
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:32,280
of the band.

1883
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:35,880
Marginalized in favor of Jim Morrison's own story, the birth of the band is documented

1884
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:39,280
fairly well and live performances are thrilling to watch.

1885
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:44,040
Val Kilmer's performance as Morrison is incredible, immersive, and totally convincing.

1886
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:47,960
Almost chameleon-like as he goes from an aspiring filmmaker to rock god within a couple trippy

1887
01:53:47,960 --> 01:53:48,960
scenes.

1888
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:53,200
The counterculture movement is captured beautifully, the fashion is authentic, and above all the

1889
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:57,840
music is hypnotic, psychedelic, and full of tunes that time will never forget.

1890
01:53:57,840 --> 01:53:59,360
I love the film.

1891
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:03,560
Sure there was plenty of iffy moments here and there, Meg Ryan's casting was amusing,

1892
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:07,940
and at times the script resembles something written by someone on the same drugs as Morrison.

1893
01:54:07,940 --> 01:54:11,760
As musical biopics go, this is much better than most.

1894
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:16,040
Walk the Line is the only biopic that captures quite the same spirit of the players involved,

1895
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:21,480
but Soansville manages to keep the vibrancy of the music live nearly 50 years after Morrison.

1896
01:54:21,480 --> 01:54:26,040
Manzarek Krieger and Denz Moore wrote it.

1897
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:27,840
Okay.

1898
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:36,360
I need some nice little like, I was a 21 year old on the cusp of being a man and I went

1899
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:39,720
and saw us and nobody gets me.

1900
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:43,640
There was a lot of like, everyone listens to modern music, but not me man, I listened

1901
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:45,320
to the classics.

1902
01:54:45,320 --> 01:54:48,400
And now that Blondie is a classic.

1903
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:49,400
Yes.

1904
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:51,520
So I don't know.

1905
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:58,120
At this point, Blondie is as old as probably Morrison was at at a 91.

1906
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:08,440
So polarization, accounting of that, I think the critics had a hard time with the portrayal

1907
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:10,600
of Morrison.

1908
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:22,200
And how intensely dark that was and how I think some of the characters felt a certain

1909
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:30,360
way about Morrison, like the guy in the film class calling him pretentious is Ebert calling

1910
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:35,920
Oliver Stone pretentious like Ebert's in that film class watching Oliver Stone's movie

1911
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:42,280
on the doors and being like a little pretentious there, Oliver is essentially is kind of how

1912
01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:43,560
I'm looking at it.

1913
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:49,240
Like I think in many ways, Oliver Stone represents what, you know, he thinks Jim Morrison isn't

1914
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:52,080
in some ways too.

1915
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:55,680
But that's as far as the critics are concerned.

1916
01:55:55,680 --> 01:56:00,200
And then the audience is like, I totally get it.

1917
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:05,400
It's a it's a movie about the doors in which the doors is playing like a lot of the time.

1918
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:08,440
And you get a great performance by Val Kilmer.

1919
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:15,680
You get you get the drama and you get some great concert scenes that plays great on like

1920
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:20,040
national television like TNT or something, your VH one or something we're thrown on the

1921
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:25,520
doors and you tune in and they're playing the concert from, you know, New Haven, and

1922
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:26,960
you're like, oh, this is a good part right here.

1923
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:28,120
Let's watch this part.

1924
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:29,760
And I feel like this that's kind of been this movie for me.

1925
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:33,640
I don't think I'd seen it all the way through before this this most recent watching.

1926
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:38,600
I feel like the middle portion was very familiar to me, but the book endings was something

1927
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:39,840
I wasn't as familiar with.

1928
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:47,360
So that was a nice trip to go through the whole thing.

1929
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:51,000
I'll do you have any comments on the polarization stuff?

1930
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:57,120
Yeah, I just like, you know, I'm aligned with you by and large on why this is polarizing

1931
01:56:57,120 --> 01:57:05,440
because I think critics are tuned into the ethos of this movie and have an issue with

1932
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:07,120
it.

1933
01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:12,360
But audience members are going to have by and large a good time because if they're watching

1934
01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:16,520
a movie about the doors, there's a lot of doors music in it.

1935
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:22,480
And the performance of Val Kilmer is very good and seems like Jim Morrison.

1936
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:27,560
So you would, you know, somebody that's grew up in this time or is really into the doors

1937
01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:31,640
would be like, well, this is the best version of Jim Morrison.

1938
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:35,480
I'm going to see on screen maybe and just be totally enthralled with that.

1939
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:39,560
And then yeah, kind of maybe even turn your brain off, you know, at times when it gets

1940
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:41,120
into the other stuff.

1941
01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:45,920
And that stuff doesn't last that long.

1942
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:51,080
It gets back into it relatively, you know, consistently.

1943
01:57:51,080 --> 01:58:00,360
And so for that, yeah, I mean, and also to it's really, yeah, it really goes a long way

1944
01:58:00,360 --> 01:58:01,600
for audience members.

1945
01:58:01,600 --> 01:58:09,560
I'm sure that this movie captures well the energy of those concerts because people wanting

1946
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:13,160
to get an Astaljan to feel that again.

1947
01:58:13,160 --> 01:58:15,920
It probably fired off a lot of things in their brain.

1948
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:19,720
And so they would, you know, come out of this being like, well, yeah, hey, that was, you

1949
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:21,360
know, that was cool.

1950
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:22,760
Wow, the doors, the doors are awesome.

1951
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:24,240
I still love the doors.

1952
01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:25,240
Yeah.

1953
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:30,400
I mean, the, the really, really dark stuff kind of in his death and everything is so

1954
01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:31,400
sudden.

1955
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:34,720
It comes at the end that you can, you can go through a lot of it and accept that he's

1956
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:38,480
going to be an asshole rock star is going to be the kind of the persona that he's eventually

1957
01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:45,360
getting to or kind of already is and, and still enjoy the debauchery.

1958
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:49,120
I think the debauchery, especially at the time the movie, this movie was made was something

1959
01:58:49,120 --> 01:58:53,880
that people were interested in rock stars as well, which is a commentary from the nineties

1960
01:58:53,880 --> 01:58:59,480
sort of version of, of rock and roll music, I think plays into the ethos of this movie

1961
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:02,920
and how, how it's represented.

1962
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:07,740
So that accuracy may be off a bit because it has those some, some of those sensibilities

1963
01:59:07,740 --> 01:59:12,440
that don't quite fit what's going on here.

1964
01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:18,240
But as far as my feelings for it and any sort of final thoughts.

1965
01:59:18,240 --> 01:59:19,680
I overall liked this movie.

1966
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:29,440
I know we've been going into a lot of criticisms of the portrayal of Jim Morrison and the overall

1967
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:35,400
kind of feelings about the person making the movie towards the, it's his own material and

1968
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:39,760
towards the thing that he's making a movie about Oliver Stone.

1969
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:45,480
But the Oliver Stone is such a, he's a good filmmaker and he doesn't always make a great

1970
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:46,480
film.

1971
01:59:46,480 --> 01:59:50,920
There's some that, you know, aren't, aren't the best, but this is not one of them.

1972
01:59:50,920 --> 01:59:53,200
I think this is, I think this is a good movie.

1973
01:59:53,200 --> 02:00:02,160
And unfortunately it's, it is shrouded by a narrative that puts Jim Morrison, a real

1974
02:00:02,160 --> 02:00:12,080
person into the position of being way more of a character and way more of this caricature

1975
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:13,400
of, of Jim Morrison.

1976
02:00:13,400 --> 02:00:16,720
And I can see the criticisms from people that actually knew him.

1977
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:20,960
And with that knowledge, I think I can compartmentalize it enough to still enjoy the movie and

1978
02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:26,320
understand that this is a heightened, very heightened version of events and whether they

1979
02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:29,360
occurred or didn't.

1980
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:30,800
I do like Meg Ryan as an actress.

1981
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:34,640
I don't think she gets the narrative in the script, give her enough to do where she's

1982
02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:37,480
fleshed out as a character.

1983
02:00:37,480 --> 02:00:40,160
I like that it was more focused on Jim Morrison.

1984
02:00:40,160 --> 02:00:43,960
And then I know maybe the bandmates are just like, I wanted it to be like a door, like

1985
02:00:43,960 --> 02:00:44,960
more about the doors.

1986
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:46,960
I'm like, I like that.

1987
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:51,680
They really put the spotlight on Jim and Val Kilmer for that matter.

1988
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:53,600
That is a more interesting movie for me.

1989
02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:57,040
I haven't even seen Bohemian Rhapsody, but I know that was, that was the thing going

1990
02:00:57,040 --> 02:00:58,040
into that movie.

1991
02:00:58,040 --> 02:01:01,200
It's like, whether it's going to be more, you should be about fucking Freddie Mercury.

1992
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:03,120
Like make the movie more about frame.

1993
02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:08,000
I haven't even seen that one, but if there's certain bands, it's just that's that.

1994
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:09,280
You know why people are going.

1995
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:10,120
Yeah.

1996
02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:11,120
Yeah.

1997
02:01:11,120 --> 02:01:12,120
You know why.

1998
02:01:12,120 --> 02:01:14,400
And he is a legend.

1999
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:17,920
It's a legendary performance by a legendary actor.

2000
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:23,040
Somebody himself that has his own, that has probably similar issues to Jim Morrison in

2001
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:24,040
terms of fame.

2002
02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:28,360
I would, I would imagine in some, some way shape performer in terms of like wanting the

2003
02:01:28,360 --> 02:01:29,360
spotlight.

2004
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:36,600
I even read like there was this memo that went out during like the film filming of the

2005
02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:42,520
movie that wasn't, I guess, supposed to go to everyone.

2006
02:01:42,520 --> 02:01:44,960
I'll read this year.

2007
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:48,880
Controversy arose during filming when a memo linked to Kilmer circulated among cast and

2008
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:52,960
crew members, listing rules of how the actor was to be treated for the duration of principal

2009
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:54,360
photography.

2010
02:01:54,360 --> 02:01:59,000
These provisions forbade people to approach him on set without good reason, address him

2011
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:03,200
by his own name while he was in character or stare at him on set.

2012
02:02:03,200 --> 02:02:08,200
In upset stone, contacted Kilmer's agent and the actor claimed it was all a huge misunderstanding

2013
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:13,400
and that the memo was for his own people and not the film crew.

2014
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:19,120
So even if he's even a word true, that is how he treats his own people.

2015
02:02:19,120 --> 02:02:20,120
Yeah.

2016
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:24,000
But that, that like whatever, I think that works.

2017
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:31,000
All these things that maybe could have a destructive force or make the film not as good.

2018
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:34,400
Some of them actually make it even better.

2019
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:41,840
And I think Val Kilmer being that kind of guy desperate for the part and really desperate

2020
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:48,200
for a big part and the big spotlight at that moment is exactly what the movie needed.

2021
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:57,920
Oliver Stone being brash with editing and how he shoots crowd work in the concerts is

2022
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:00,080
definitely the best part of the movie.

2023
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:06,000
The criticism I'd give everything in between that is overly dramatic and sensationalized

2024
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:11,440
and not coming from a place of naturalism and, and, and in reality and plays into some

2025
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:14,040
stereotypes of rock biopics.

2026
02:03:14,040 --> 02:03:17,640
But in a way, I was almost kind of comforted by some of that stuff because I was like,

2027
02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:21,240
Oh, we're going to go, we're going through this song and dance, you know, we're going

2028
02:03:21,240 --> 02:03:27,640
through like, Oh, he's going to hit his big crescendo and then, you know, burnout on drugs

2029
02:03:27,640 --> 02:03:30,880
and alcohol and like that I've seen that this movie playing at times.

2030
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:36,800
The thing is that this is a director that adds style to it, that makes it fun and adds

2031
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:41,160
a lot of door songs in ways that don't seem like overdone.

2032
02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:45,560
Like there's constantly playing doors music and for me, I just like the music so much

2033
02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:48,720
that I'm just jamming along to it and it never really gets to be too much.

2034
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:50,240
We just watched vanilla sky recently.

2035
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:54,280
That's a fucking record drops are just like giving me headaches by the end of that movie

2036
02:03:54,280 --> 02:04:02,360
because it's so out of place and not an uncalled for, but this one has an energy and, and I

2037
02:04:02,360 --> 02:04:04,400
overall am happy I watched it.

2038
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:06,680
I can see myself watching it again.

2039
02:04:06,680 --> 02:04:12,680
I think the yeah, about commerce performance will go down as, you know, as a tough thing

2040
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:16,880
to accomplish if they are going to do any sort of Jim Morrison doors and again will be

2041
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:20,400
tough to beat his performance.

2042
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:25,000
I'm going to give this one 81.

2043
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:29,280
Oh, give him an 81.

2044
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:30,280
I love that.

2045
02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:33,280
Oh, I love that, man.

2046
02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:34,440
I'm going to get some love.

2047
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:35,680
I think I overall.

2048
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:44,800
Yeah, yeah, it was like better than I even expected and I can look past some of the stuff

2049
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:47,280
that I criticize it for and I'm aware it's there.

2050
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:50,720
I have the ability to kind of look past it as how much I kind of enjoy it.

2051
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:51,720
Yeah, yeah.

2052
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:54,720
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

2053
02:04:54,720 --> 02:04:58,120
Um, where do I begin?

2054
02:04:58,120 --> 02:04:59,600
I begin from the beginning.

2055
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:06,320
Um, no, what I will say about this movie is it is something that people daily beloved

2056
02:05:06,320 --> 02:05:08,440
we are gathered here today.

2057
02:05:08,440 --> 02:05:10,720
Um, people should watch this movie.

2058
02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:12,560
I'm in that camp.

2059
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:13,960
People should watch this movie.

2060
02:05:13,960 --> 02:05:22,200
I it's weird how much this movie has elicited me thinking about this particular idea where

2061
02:05:22,200 --> 02:05:24,880
it.

2062
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:38,920
It like sensationalizes but then also shows how wrong that is.

2063
02:05:38,920 --> 02:05:46,880
And there's a dichotomy at work throughout this movie where it shows how passionate and

2064
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:53,760
how, you know, how big of a deal and important a person like this is, but it comes at it

2065
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:58,240
from a perspective where.

2066
02:05:58,240 --> 02:06:04,120
It doesn't.

2067
02:06:04,120 --> 02:06:05,120
It's contankerous.

2068
02:06:05,120 --> 02:06:12,240
It has a contankerous relationship with the material and.

2069
02:06:12,240 --> 02:06:14,480
That makes for an interesting movie.

2070
02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:23,120
I this movie made me think a lot about things, you know, just about narcissism about fame

2071
02:06:23,120 --> 02:06:28,360
about relationships and pursuits and whatnot.

2072
02:06:28,360 --> 02:06:33,200
Um, man, yeah, I like this movie too, man.

2073
02:06:33,200 --> 02:06:39,040
I did, um, can I make one other comparison that I was kind of thinking about when I was

2074
02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:42,960
watching it started to interrupt, but it was almost making me think of social network.

2075
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:43,960
Yeah, sure.

2076
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:45,440
At least totally.

2077
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:50,120
And a lot of people's what you would think of people, some people's issues with that

2078
02:06:50,120 --> 02:06:55,480
movie might be different figure, not like everyone's idolizing Mark Zuckerberg or anything

2079
02:06:55,480 --> 02:06:58,480
before that movie comes out when maybe you are whatever.

2080
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:04,800
But they, I feel like Dave Fincher, that movie didn't care as much about some of the accuracy

2081
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:09,920
of some other of like, of like how exact everything went.

2082
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:16,720
And he was getting more into the, yeah, this, this sort of feeling based thing of how who

2083
02:07:16,720 --> 02:07:22,000
he was as a person and ascribed importance to other things in his life that maybe he

2084
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:26,960
didn't himself have, but it made it, yeah, made it a more interesting movie.

2085
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:32,120
And maybe it's not all accurate, but it made it made it more interesting and palatable

2086
02:07:32,120 --> 02:07:36,400
as a, as a film, but maybe I don't know if that's a good comp.

2087
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:41,600
I would, my comp would be that this movie to me shares a lot of similarities to Wolf

2088
02:07:41,600 --> 02:07:42,600
of Wall Street.

2089
02:07:42,600 --> 02:07:44,800
Oh yeah, that's a good one.

2090
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:51,960
Where people who idolize Wolf of Wall Street are missing the point.

2091
02:07:51,960 --> 02:07:52,960
I see.

2092
02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:53,960
Yeah.

2093
02:07:53,960 --> 02:08:03,160
So much online these days, there are memes and people like this, particularly men's

2094
02:08:03,160 --> 02:08:12,640
identity is wrapped up in, you know, this who Jordan Belford was.

2095
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:19,360
And this movie does something very similar where if you look at this movie and go, man,

2096
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:23,040
wouldn't I love to do a lot of drugs, have sex with a lot of beautiful women?

2097
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:27,320
Yada, yada, wouldn't that be so cool?

2098
02:08:27,320 --> 02:08:34,240
But it does go to lengths, maybe at times way overcorrects and goes, no, this is a terrible

2099
02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:39,040
like this is a shitty person that treats people like dirt.

2100
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:42,840
And you should, if you're watching this movie and going, I want to be Jim Morrison, then

2101
02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:44,560
you miss the point.

2102
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:45,560
That's a radio headline.

2103
02:08:45,560 --> 02:08:46,560
Okay, cool.

2104
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:48,560
Anyone can play guitar.

2105
02:08:48,560 --> 02:08:51,560
I want, I want to be Jim Morrison.

2106
02:08:51,560 --> 02:08:52,560
Okay.

2107
02:08:52,560 --> 02:09:03,320
I guess I think by and large, my issues with the movie is that pessimism about the about

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people about the generation that, like I've said already, I there could be more compassion

2109
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:16,640
towards the main character, towards the surrounding cast, towards the time, you know, to really

2110
02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:24,240
fill out, like be more well rounded in your perspective of what's going on during then

2111
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and what it all means.

2112
02:09:25,960 --> 02:09:27,280
And it was just lacking.

2113
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:33,440
And so I would like to give this movie more a higher score, but I just there's a part

2114
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:40,840
of me that just doesn't love the place, the idea or the ethos of this movie.

2115
02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:42,000
But people should go fucking see it.

2116
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:45,800
It's got so many cool things that you think that we've talked about it.

2117
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And it's worth seeing.

2118
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:49,200
So where do I sit?

2119
02:09:49,200 --> 02:09:56,320
I want to do a, I don't know, maybe he would hate that I'm going to say this, but maybe

2120
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:57,320
not.

2121
02:09:57,320 --> 02:09:59,640
I'm going to give it a 69 percent.

2122
02:09:59,640 --> 02:10:00,720
A very fair score.

2123
02:10:00,720 --> 02:10:03,600
I want to get your list of 69 movies.

2124
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:07,640
That's another list on Letterbox that you got to, that you got to figure out because

2125
02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:09,600
I know Spring Breakers is on that list.

2126
02:10:09,600 --> 02:10:10,600
Oh yeah, absolutely.

2127
02:10:10,600 --> 02:10:13,920
One of our early entries.

2128
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:19,120
Another example of glorifying sex and drug culture and escapism, but then also being

2129
02:10:19,120 --> 02:10:21,720
very critical about it.

2130
02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:22,720
Yeah.

2131
02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:23,720
Look at my shit.

2132
02:10:23,720 --> 02:10:24,720
Look at my shit.

2133
02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:25,720
Look at my shit.

2134
02:10:25,720 --> 02:10:33,120
Well, that's been a truly wonderful trip of a podcast that I just went on.

2135
02:10:33,120 --> 02:10:39,160
I tell you what, what a wonderful conversation I have had a great time.

2136
02:10:39,160 --> 02:10:44,960
I am kind of wanting to listen to some doors a little bit more too.

2137
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:45,960
I don't know.

2138
02:10:45,960 --> 02:10:51,360
We'll see if that, if that lasts, but I also want to watch a more Oliver Stone movie.

2139
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:54,360
So I guess it kind of did its job.

2140
02:10:54,360 --> 02:11:00,360
But for us here, we're going to put this one aside and move on to our next film, which

2141
02:11:00,360 --> 02:11:11,560
is from 1989, starring a little certain somebody, a little Patty Swayze in a big, big role of

2142
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:12,560
his.

2143
02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:14,960
The movie is Roadhouse.

2144
02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:18,560
Ladies and gentlemen is Roadhouse.

2145
02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:26,360
We are going to be discussing next time on this program in preparation for, I'm sure

2146
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:28,560
it will be a wonderful remake as well.

2147
02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:29,560
Oh yeah.

2148
02:11:29,560 --> 02:11:34,000
I'm sure who knows if we'll even watch it, but we're going to be watching the original

2149
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:35,360
for sure.

2150
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:37,080
Maybe the new one will be polarizing too.

2151
02:11:37,080 --> 02:11:41,680
I'm surprised this one's even polarizing, but it is a cult classic at this point.

2152
02:11:41,680 --> 02:11:47,680
Just a classic is a 41% by the critics, a 41% poopy doopie snoopy by the critics.

2153
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:52,760
It is a 67% by the audience.

2154
02:11:52,760 --> 02:11:55,520
I wonder I should pull up a synopsis here.

2155
02:11:55,520 --> 02:11:57,120
Let's see.

2156
02:11:57,120 --> 02:12:02,680
Movie info on Rotten Tomatoes says, the double deuce is the meanest, loudest and rowdiest

2157
02:12:02,680 --> 02:12:08,280
bar south of the Mason Dixon line and Dalton Patrick Swayze has been hired to clean it

2158
02:12:08,280 --> 02:12:09,280
up.

2159
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:15,400
He might not look like much, but the PhD educated bouncer proves he's more than capable, busting

2160
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:20,160
the heads of troublemakers and turning the Roadhouse into a jumping hot spot.

2161
02:12:20,160 --> 02:12:24,760
But Dalton's romance with the gorgeous Dr. Clay Kelly Lynch puts him on the bad side

2162
02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:31,440
of cutthroat local big shot Brad Wesley, Ben Ghazara, produced by Joel Silver, director

2163
02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:33,480
Rowdy Harrington.

2164
02:12:33,480 --> 02:12:35,880
The director's name is Rowdy.

2165
02:12:35,880 --> 02:12:39,080
We will see you next time for Roadhouse.

2166
02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:44,120
Thank you so much for joining us for the doors.

2167
02:12:44,120 --> 02:12:47,760
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2168
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:55,960
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2169
02:12:55,960 --> 02:12:57,360
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2170
02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:59,400
That would help us a lot.

2171
02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:00,400
We have a YouTube channel.

2172
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:02,800
If that makes it easier to watch on there.

2173
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:08,800
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2174
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:15,320
If you want to send any movie ideas, segment ideas, fan mail, hate mail.

2175
02:13:15,320 --> 02:13:17,320
Yeah, whichever.

2176
02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:22,200
Any sort of Jim Morrison fun facts.

2177
02:13:22,200 --> 02:13:23,200
We're here for it.

2178
02:13:23,200 --> 02:13:26,600
And I've not forgotten anything, Brandini.

2179
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:27,600
We'll send them on their way.

2180
02:13:27,600 --> 02:13:28,600
Yeah.

2181
02:13:28,600 --> 02:13:29,600
Yeah, send them on.

2182
02:13:29,600 --> 02:13:30,600
Excellent.

2183
02:13:30,600 --> 02:13:35,920
Well, we bid you adieu and enjoy your future podcast travels.

2184
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:37,920
And we'll see you next time.

2185
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:38,920
Goodbye.

2186
02:13:38,920 --> 02:13:39,920
Bye bye.

2187
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:46,920
Bye bye.