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Welcome to the podcast, the polarized podcast, the podcast for polarizing movies, the kinds

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of movies that audiences and critics disagree on on rotten tomatoes.

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Sometimes the audiences love it and the critics hate it or vice versa.

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I'm your host James.

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Welcome to the show.

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This week on the program, we will be discussing a 2001 mystery and thriller slash drama, according

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to Ron Tomatoes, vanilla sky.

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It's a vanilla sky episode.

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The sky is vanilla.

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Not chocolate, not strawberry.

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It's vanilla is a 43% critically reviewed movie on rat tomatoes and audiences actually

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like this one over the critics, which on first glance, you would think that this would be

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maybe like the, the critic favored movie.

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This I feel like this is a pretty artsy fartsy movie you might, you might say, but those

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audience members are coming out in 72%.

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So let's get into it.

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It's a pleasure to have you.

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Thank you so much for just jumping right into the Polarize gig.

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I would like to introduce a certain special someone.

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You know, there may be in this movie, the saddest girl with a martini, but I'm the happiest

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guy with a brandy.

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Let's go.

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I love that.

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Thank you.

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James Teenie.

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That's right.

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Happy.

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I'm happy to be here.

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I have the most notes I think I've ever taken on a good for the first time you can help

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me out a little.

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Actually, this movie does a boy overly explain it at the end, but maybe you can.

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Maybe you can help me through this movie.

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Yeah, I think discussing it.

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I just want to just so boldly say I think this movie could go to jail.

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Maybe.

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Who is it?

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Is this a?

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We need to share the letterbox go to jail movies that need to go to jail list somehow

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to the to the people because Brandini's putting it together.

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I'm putting it together movies that should go to jail and I'm excited to get to this

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discussion because I think this movie could potentially be a great candidate to jail.

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And yeah, so I'm doing good though, man.

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Excited to talk about this movie.

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Yeah, we had another movie that went straight to jail recently, which was Things to Do in

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Denver when you're dead.

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I know a lot of and that's a movie that you might even enjoy, but it's like also like,

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you know, you should you should lock you up for the better, betterment of society, most

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likely.

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Absolutely.

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I, you know, some movies they just what they stand for might need to just go to jail.

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And yeah, that's that's part of what we get to the bottom of on this.

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I want that like epilogue at the end.

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That's like a cuts to black and then it's like this movie went to jail on.

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Yeah, like in 2024.

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According to it's a new leaf.

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And it's like some vault that you got a year out of get into to watch it again.

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It's the brandini.

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I hope that vault is guarded by Michael Shannon.

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He's yeah, those shoulders are broad and you wouldn't have a hard time getting past.

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And he's absolutely cuts a striking tall figure.

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He does.

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He really just towers over people in them and such a commanding menacing.

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Do you think he was born with a scowl?

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Could you imagine the conversations his parents were having about just worrying how scowly

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their son looks?

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He looks like he's 42 instantly.

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He's birth to a 42 year old man.

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He's five going on 45.

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He's saying very grown up things to me.

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Okay, but this is before we go any further.

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Yeah, let's get.

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Yeah, we're already getting into it.

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Let's before we fully get into it.

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This is an episode that has a guest on it.

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We are excited to have this guest.

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This is a person that I bonded with over movies and thought it would be so great to have on

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me and James talked about this idea of if we're going to have them on it.

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It should maybe be for a weird movie.

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And I think mission accomplished because this movie is cuckoo bananas with a capital C capital

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But this episode is.

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I would like to now introduce our guest Weston.

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Hey, how's it going, bud?

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Hey guys, happy to be here.

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Thanks for having me.

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Yeah, welcome to the show.

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Really, man.

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Yeah, welcome to the show.

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Welcome.

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We're just a couple of schools that like to talk about movies and this one happens to

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be like particularly disagreed upon movies.

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And I don't know if that concept hits for everybody who may who may be here of the podcast, but

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I'm glad you're here to get into it.

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Is there any movie that like you have that maybe it's hard to think of right on the spot,

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but is there a movie that you have that you feel like might be polarizing that you like

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that other people maybe or like a lot of people don't like that you feel like you have to

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kind of stick stick up for a bit?

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Yeah, there's there's a few.

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I mean, just recently I listened to your hook podcast with Corey.

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I'm a big hook kid.

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And that movie just I love that movie.

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And I find myself defending that one.

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But it happens a lot.

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I mean, I have tons of films like that.

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I can't really think off the top of my head, but I'll get to it.

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No, it's a great choice.

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You're a big baseball pirate guy just like past guest, large aka Corey.

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That movie has grown on me a lot.

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I don't know.

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I wish I'd watched it more growing up because now coming to it as you know, as an adult

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man that's I've watched a few actually another time since then and I liked it even a lot

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more.

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And I can't I can't believe some of the dramatic moments near the end of that movie just hit

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me cut me like a knife.

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Yeah, one roof.

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You get cut like a knife.

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But what is it?

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Run home run home Jack.

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Is is that?

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Is that baseball games and then every all the pirates are there and they're just cheering

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jack yeah and you had a big issue with those daytime baseball games.

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They had the biggest issue with the daytime.

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They time they time during the big wonder.

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He's not making it to you know, I mean, if your son's baseball game is on a Wednesday

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at like 2 o'clock in the afternoon.

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I mean that's tough.

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I'm sorry.

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But I'm adults work a nine to five job.

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And then can you step back a little bit in the can?

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I think you might have a self.

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Just like Robin Williams had in the movie.

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You've changed.

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will turn you into a missing baseball dad.

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do you have any history with it?

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As I was talking with Brandon before we started recording,

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I have been seeing this movie poster since I can remember.

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Obviously, since the film.

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I was, yeah, I was in 30 when this movie came out.

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always had a vanilla sky poster and it was everywhere.

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And I never saw it.

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My dad would talk about it.

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And he would frankly say how bad of a film it was.

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Like he's kind of a snob, I guess.

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to that and we'll get there.

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are snabs.

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I would.

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Something about it turned me off.

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And I just, I never visited this film until three nights ago.

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Was that ever like a bucket list thing of like, oh, I should

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get around to doing that.

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Just to see as it adds a curiosity or you're just,

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it was really just from this podcast that you're like,

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I guess I'll have to do this shit.

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It'd been on the list mentally for some time.

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And I have a friend that this is his favorite film.

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Oh, wow.

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You shout him out.

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I should tell him to write in.

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Don't, don't talk something.

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Leave a voicemail or something.

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He's going to jail.

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He's going to jail.

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Oh, with this movie.

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Co-conspirator.

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Favorite movie.

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Yeah, this was, I agree.

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The same sort of thing where like, I feel like I saw

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this advertised a part of me, I feel like maybe conflated it

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with eyes wide shut because it was close enough.

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And I just saw Tom, it was like that era of Tom Cruise.

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And I just saw like trippy things happening.

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the trailer of him, you know, being near the edge of the

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building and car stuff.

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was weird and trippy and like sexual, which that's essentially

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like eyes wide shut with Tom, Tom Cruise.

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But that is such an experience of like walking through the

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video aisle and seeing covers of this.

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front, which is a huge plot point in this movie, that face.

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This movie is essentially about Tom Cruise's face.

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A lot of different versions of his face, you know, and each

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one has a very distinct, I don't know, kind of a

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genus a quab.

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I'm a, I feel like that's the movies I'll occasionally defend.

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I'll be like, I kind of like that a mission possible to you.

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It's my kind of stupid.

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I understand it's stupid, but it's like my kind of my brand.

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Like it's a, what is it a John Woo and there's Doves and

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motorcycle, that motorcycle duel.

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Motorcycle.

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It's got the rock.

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How are you guys with Cruise in general?

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Like what's your relationship?

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Yeah, it's a good thing to bring up.

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Oh, I mean, for me, I am favorable on him when he's doing

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a lot of, I'd say more so like the action movies, but every

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now and then, you know, he'll, he'll stray and do something

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interesting, at least earlier in his career.

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this was before or after Magnolia and that Magnolia

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performance, I think is something special.

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I love the mission impossible movies, but then there's stuff

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like this movie where it's like, you really start to see what's

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what's shining through is like the try hardness and like the,

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I don't know, the, the, he's not very, he can't be subtle.

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There's like no, he has to go full fledged into every moment

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and give a hundred, a hundred percent to everything, which is

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great.

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I think like an action movie or something like that or

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something that requires a little more subtletie doesn't hit as

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The, the eyes wide shut, I think is interesting because he's

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confused on how he's supposed to act in that movie.

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And I think Hubert purposefully did that to him, which makes

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for like an interesting performance with this one.

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He seems to like be able to do whatever the fuck he wants.

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And that is, I think a little bit to the detriment of this

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movie in particular, but I'm not like a Tom Cruise hater.

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I think he definitely can be used well on those new mission

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possible movies I've had a blast with, but how do you guys feel?

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Yeah.

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I mean, for me, I'm, I can be pretty hit or miss on Tom Cruise.

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That's a good way to put it.

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Some of the action movies that he is the lead of, I don't care for.

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Yeah.

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I would say that Tom Cruise is really great when the director

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uses him well.

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And to your point about him having a lot of seemingly freedom

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to be and do whatever he wants as to his detriment, because I

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think Tom Cruise, at least my opinion of him is he's an incredibly

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weird guy and him, he just to me doesn't seem like a guy that

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understands like normal human emotion very well.

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It's always like, which can work in movies.

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And honestly, it kind of gives a, it's like being a stage actor

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almost where it is a caricature of emotions.

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He's able to do a wide range of these characters, but none of

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them are really seemingly real or grounded or like a normal person

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would react this way.

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And to his a lot of implying and it's a lot.

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Yes.

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It's a lot of like, so in this movie and in Eyes Wide Shut,

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which are two movies that are really great to compare each other with.

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First, I'll just say, because you had brought it up earlier, James,

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about how Kubrick knows how to use Tom Cruise.

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So that is more of Tom Cruise fitting into a Kubrick mold.

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And he really excels in that because he is getting he is

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getting directed very well in a movie like this, not so much,

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but also to, yeah, like.

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Where am I going with this?

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Like, yeah, with like Magnolia, he's essentially like he's

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a fuckboy in that movie, which works for him as a real person.

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Just kind of like in that movie, a lot of it is him in an interview,

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like chewing up the scenery, which is essentially very close to the

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Oprah interview.

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I want to hear Wesson's thoughts on on cruise.

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You have any favorite worst performances or any feelings in general?

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Ever since I was a kid, I've kind of been for pro Tom Cruise, I guess.

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I would say that for myself too.

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Superstar, like he's just, he delivers on that level.

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He's a great action star.

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Then you discover, you discover Magnolia and you're like, okay,

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he can get weird.

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And then, you know, I saw Eyes Wide Shut.

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I think after I saw Magnolia, but that was really fascinating.

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And I recently watched the firm.

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Have you guys seen that?

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Oh yeah, big firm fan over here.

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That's his best performance.

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That movie, big firm.

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Yeah, that soundtrack is so good.

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Yeah, excellent.

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Excellent. That's like favorite film to his, but.

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That's totally understandable.

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That's a great performance.

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And that's another performance of him being this yuppie character.

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Like him in this movie, he is very good as being a yuppie.

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And a lot of it has to do with how just like the fun fact of Patrick Bateman

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or the performance of Patrick Bateman in American Psycho is based on Tom Cruise.

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Like it's just he is such a weird guy where he comes off as being so.

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Inhuman or disconnected from certain assemblances of a normal reality.

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And it just obviously carries over in just who he is to as a person.

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So that is like, even though his performances can be so alien,

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it seems also in real life, he's kind of an alien and people look at him like that at times.

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And yeah, like the most extroverted person that somehow there's this big wall

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between him and the rest of the universe in the world.

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And like no one's ever going to penetrate it.

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It seems and a few people who have like the women that he he's married of.

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It's been interesting seeing him go through that.

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I like not that I pay super close attention to you,

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but I just think of that Nicole Kidman picture of I don't know if you guys

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seen that picture of her when she's walking away from signing the divorce papers.

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And she's just like, I haven't seen her hand.

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She's just like looks like she's like singing.

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Oh, my God.

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Pretty intense, but that's that could be projecting under just a picture that I'm seeing.

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But I, all the Scientology stuff, he's a he's a weird dude.

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And he's also someone. Yeah, that's it's a dying breed of Hollywood.

343
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It's interesting to see the moves that he makes this stage in his career.

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And all things like this were like a big fucking deal.

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This is a big fucking deal.

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This movie because like, absolutely.

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Us as kids like heard about it and like knew vaguely like there was something

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like this out there, even though it was definitely very, very much for adults.

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That it wasn't for us, but it was being talked about.

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And I had no real idea what people thought about it until I kind of looked

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at some of these Rotten Tomato reviews and going through and watching it.

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This is my second time.

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And I for some reason blocked it out of memory.

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Memory of what happened in this movie, but I believe that.

355
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Yeah, it seemed like a fever dream.

356
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Oh, no shit.

357
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Yeah.

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Mostly like this is very purposeful.

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You know, it was very purposeful.

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So it's 10 out of 10.

361
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Yeah.

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I mean, if you want to go through like maybe some broad strokes of it.

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Before we get into the end of the film, I, you know, I want to talk

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about Cameron Crowe a little bit, just like you've given Tom Cruise a little bit

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of the yeah.

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So where's this at in his career?

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So this after his career is after almost famous.

368
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Wow.

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This is the follow up.

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This is this you might say this is the blank check.

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Yeah.

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This is the blank check.

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It's because really anything goes on this piece.

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Yeah.

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Anything.

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Yeah.

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It has very big anything goes energy.

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I was trying to think about whether or not Jerry McGuire is actually the more

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like now you get a blank check or almost famous is what was after Jerry McGuire

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was it almost famous?

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Uh-huh.

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It goes Jerry McGuire, almost famous vanilla sky.

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I feel like vanilla sky for him because also this movie to take even like one step

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backwards, you say, oh, you're whether or almost.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're right.

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I was just going to take even one step backwards too is that this movie was already a movie

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in 1997.

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It was was it?

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Yeah.

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A motorbar.

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What's his name?

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He directed the others.

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He's a Spanish director.

394
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Oh, okay.

395
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Oh, yeah.

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And it's what does it say?

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I said, I'm going to this.

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Oh, something like open your eyes.

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And it has Penelope cruise in it as well.

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And it was made in 97.

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So what Cameron Crowe did was just like, oh, if I could do anything, I'm just going

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to make this same movie again.

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And that's like, I don't know, that's the most blank check.

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It works to me.

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I assume so.

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I haven't seen the original, but I would, I would assume so.

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I watched the trailer of it and it seems like, yeah, all the characters are there.

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There's a lot of similar imagery of him tying her up at the end and stuff like that

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and confusing it to you.

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Yeah.

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And it just looks like so much more.

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Yeah.

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A little bit more like straightforward and a little bit less moolock went to it

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because this one is yeah, a lot of money and some interesting places like,

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Hey, here you go Beach Boys.

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Hey, here you go Rolling Stones.

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And I mean, but we're getting a little bit far from Cameron Crowe before I, yeah,

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because we should talk about the music too.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I mean, Cameron Crowe speaking of almost famous as a big music guy, right?

421
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He also was.

422
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Yeah.

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He was like, I don't say anything.

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Also as Cameron Crowe movie and that's really big on the music and the music in this movie

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is pretty cool.

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There's some cool songs in it.

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Great songs.

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Just how they're utilized, not always works.

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And sometimes it's like a strange, there's one moment, the strange cacophony of like,

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what if God was one of us?

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And then like, and then records scratching into a different song as he was like losing

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it for the fiftieth time.

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But yeah, a lot of good music.

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I mean, you don't have to, you don't have to pull my leg is how does this movie start

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is with the opening track of kid A baby.

436
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Yeah.

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Arguably the best use of the music in the movie.

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It's a great opener to us to sign.

439
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Yeah.

440
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Great opener to like him waking up from a dream or whatever.

441
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What?

442
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Yes.

443
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Yes.

444
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I was already thinking about like, what was it a dream?

445
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Yeah, which part?

446
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Yeah, which part?

447
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No, no, you're right.

448
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Well, he does that multiple walk out like of any touches that TV, the TV or whatever

449
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that he has that goes into the floor.

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And then he, yeah, I don't know.

451
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We can't we can't chart the course for this movie entirely, but this the introduction

452
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of the introduction of him as a character is this opening of like who he is.

453
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Like he's with Cameron Diaz at the beginning.

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He's inherited this.

455
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He's like a journalism magnate.

456
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I don't know.

457
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He's his dad's given.

458
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Absolutely.

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He's a he's a low media mogul.

460
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He's a Roy.

461
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He runs a few magazines.

462
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So runs the public.

463
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Yeah, essentially the conglomerate that owns all of those magazine companies.

464
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So yeah, media 51% stake and 49% goes to the seven doors.

465
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There's lines in this movie that just taken out of context.

466
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We like there's plenty of stuff taken out of context in this movie.

467
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That would be strange, but there's a lot of stuff.

468
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We're like, the seven dwarfs are trying to fuck me over, man.

469
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And I'm walking like, what are you watching?

470
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What are you talking?

471
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Yeah, what are you watching?

472
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Yeah.

473
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I don't know.

474
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I don't know what I'm watching.

475
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What is so crazy?

476
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Yeah.

477
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And that's so the movie starts with a dream and then goes into a potential.

478
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He's driving two different black nice cars.

479
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That was interesting.

480
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Very similar, but not the same.

481
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So you know, subtle differences to cue you in that the first time you've seen

482
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him was in a dream.

483
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Now you're not.

484
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But the dialogue still throughout this entire movie is so dreamlike where

485
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everybody just kind of talks in this way that just has this tinge of like,

486
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this isn't how normal people have conversations, right?

487
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Like.

488
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I'm glad you're bringing that up because that was throwing me off the whole

489
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time and I was trying to decipher if it was Cameron Crow kind of schmaltzy

490
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speak, you know, like from.

491
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Yeah, cool guy speak, right?

492
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Yeah.

493
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And just kind of.

494
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Pretentious.

495
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A little bit like that.

496
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I don't know.

497
00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:25,120
It was like overwritten as well, but like they were in like completely

498
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different rooms or completely different movies.

499
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And but there were some goofy ass lines in this movie.

500
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Oh my God, it's fucking chopped full of them.

501
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I mean, the saddest girl with a martini is fucking said multiple times.

502
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That's a stupid fucking line.

503
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I'm sorry.

504
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I'm sorry.

505
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:44,120
But it said multiple times.

506
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It's like, oh, that's a good one.

507
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I'm going to say it again.

508
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Like, come on.

509
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What's like everyone's happy with a martini martini is a sad man's

510
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drink as well.

511
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:54,120
Drink.

512
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:55,120
Absolutely.

513
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:56,120
It depends on the situation.

514
00:23:56,120 --> 00:24:01,120
But I mean, see, I think she, it didn't feel like everything we

515
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:05,120
had except for that line about saddest girl to ever hold a

516
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:09,120
martini or see when another life when we're both cat.

517
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:14,120
That's legendary know that the cat line was just like a huge

518
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:15,120
what the fuck between?

519
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,120
Except she had.

520
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,120
I just like said and which is.

521
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:19,120
Already.

522
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,120
Oh, sorry.

523
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,120
Good.

524
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,120
Cut you off.

525
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:26,280
But the fact that he like stop and he's like, wait, what did you say?

526
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,800
And repeats it like 10 times and this is if camera gets closer on his face

527
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:37,560
and he's till he starts like meowing at the straight down the barrel of the lens with this with his face that I

528
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,880
Don't know what you're trying to do with the stylistic choices because there's a lot of stylistic choices

529
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,560
That are to what end

530
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,400
Yeah, it's the dialogue. That's a great place to start as well. Yeah

531
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:58,800
It's so of its own but about everything because it's trying to be very artistic by the dialogue is representative of this dream

532
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,680
State and narrative that is prevailing throughout the entire movie

533
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,120
You know just questioning whether or not this is reality or not

534
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:13,160
And it's definitely makes it difficult to know which reality is the real one because everybody in this movie is talking like

535
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,000
They're an insane person or they're at a bare minimum. It's like

536
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,080
They're not in the same room with the other person

537
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:25,080
It just seems so disjointed where it'll be like focus on a person

538
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,560
They'll say crazy shit and then yeah, it just is like to what end and to who and

539
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,220
not like a fun sometimes it gets fun and can't be like

540
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:40,280
Even like what it's trying to be which is David Lynch like Twin Peaks like Mulholland Drive kind of shit like it's trying

541
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,480
it's trying to

542
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,720
Eat his lunch and do the surreal thing but also be like pop surreal

543
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,760
This thing I it's like oh for sure a great point

544
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:55,240
It's trying to be it's it's trying to be palatable still and still trying to like clue you into everything like oh

545
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,840
This has a purpose and there's a there's a meaning to all this

546
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,840
It's like you don't you don't need to

547
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,440
overly explain or have dialogue that is is

548
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,440
Bringing this up in

549
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,720
Vocal ways you can have it just be visually

550
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,720
Yeah

551
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:20,040
Besides just having bad dialogue to justify what's happening on screen. I felt like there were weird things that would happen that

552
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:26,040
They wouldn't have to address and and it was unnecessary if you actually wanted it to be

553
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,000
mysterious and interesting

554
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,920
Yeah, they made it. They made it literal like they wanted to be like they tried to make the

555
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,880
absurd of the

556
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,160
Yes, you know, you know I'm saying I do yeah, it's like yeah

557
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,160
They tried to

558
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,240
That's literal like they they try to give you too many answers

559
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,440
It seemed like I've heard that there's a difference with the original

560
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,200
Spanish film is that they kind of leave it open-ended and they kind of leave it up to the the viewer but they

561
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,700
This film vanilla sky really tries to wrap a bow on it and it just comes off

562
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:09,800
We will definitely get to that and that that is for sure what I'm alluding to as well as that that elevator seen at the end is the most like

563
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,680
Yeah, Deus Ex Machina kind of tie a bow around it sort of bullshit and

564
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,600
Yeah, that would

565
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,320
Yeah, like I would imagine a European art artsy film would

566
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:29,080
Be a little bit more just like let's place interesting ideas in the audience's mind and have them work it out a bit

567
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,800
Yeah

568
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:34,120
So

569
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:41,560
You had kind of mentioned and I think this is really to me crucial to enjoyment of this movie is

570
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,920
Tom Cruise's character comes off as very unlikable very quickly

571
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,120
And you are not on board with him as your main protagonist at all

572
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,800
Because of the situation of how he treats Cameron Diaz

573
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,680
But then more specifically to the point of the dialogue being so direct is him and Jason Lee are

574
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:07,240
Talking and having I just the way that those guys interactive this rata tat tat to the

575
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,760
played tennis

576
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,000
Is so lame like they just have this whole

577
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:20,600
It's such simple machismo where both of them are just immediately talking about chicks and fucking chicks

578
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,280
And then Tom Cruise goes on to say like he has this whole

579
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,320
Johnny oh

580
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:33,680
One of my first yeah, it's like Julie Gianni is a lame name

581
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,800
I hate that name so much because it's just it doesn't fit Cameron Diaz as much either

582
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,280
But I don't know doesn't fit Cameron Diaz first and foremost

583
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,720
And right whatever

584
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,720
It sounds too much like Rudy Giuliani to me

585
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,720
I know that's what it is

586
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,200
It's like that's the heart of it

587
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,800
It's like the same name and I don't like it

588
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,800
I

589
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,240
Also already don't really care for Cameron Diaz. I've been on this pod saying as much but like

590
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,240
I'm with you there another hitter miss

591
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,800
She just annoys me. I don't know. I'm sorry, you know, I don't mean to be so

592
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:18,680
Luckily, she's supposed to be annoying in this movie. But yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, does she doesn't always work for me

593
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:26,320
And in this movie that she is so annoying, right? Like it wouldn't it be more interesting if she wasn't annoying

594
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:32,360
And it wasn't so easy for her to be diss like just cast away and disregarded and so, you know

595
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,080
There's actually some I don't know a little bit more emotion to

596
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:45,200
It would have provided a little bit more value to than what comes where he tries to protect her from doing something stupid

597
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:50,520
You just I don't know they could have they could have played with the tensions so much more because this movie doesn't

598
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:51,520
Doesn't do that

599
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,840
It just waffles around in like some of the romantic parts of it

600
00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:01,920
Which is very much the Cameron crow side of it is like the Penelope cruise and him like falling in love is and their relationship

601
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,840
Is a big portion of it, but if you're are trying to make more of like a surrealistic sort of

602
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,680
Thriller sexual thriller sort of movie, I don't know

603
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,520
I there's a there's a version not to just pluck and change certain things that'll make it better

604
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:25,400
But I think there is something interesting about a stalker and like that voyeuristic side of that in a movie like this and

605
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,760
Having that be more of a slow burn about

606
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,040
Somebody's following me and she's like out to get me and said it's like status

607
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,280
Right when he wakes up after Penelope cruise

608
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:43,160
She is there and then the accident like happens immediately and then this portion of the movie with him going through

609
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,080
those those dark moments

610
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:53,960
It drags in such strange ways when everything is so truncated in the end to justify the the means it's like

611
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,080
you could have

612
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,160
Place a lot more foreshadowing you could have a lot more like threads throughout and said it just seems like

613
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:08,080
This it's not as purposeful as it as it could be if it's trying to do that. Otherwise, it's not as

614
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,320
surrealistic and weird and and stylish in a way that

615
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,040
Is

616
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,360
I don't know like a morass steer and not as so direct because camera camera crew

617
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,560
I just think as much as he has me good movies has a little bit harder time with that and there's some of like

618
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:31,520
Yeah, the romantic moments and the music drops that he knows how to do that stuff for the most part

619
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Yeah, I absolutely agree and it this movie does feel like him pushing himself to go in a different place

620
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:46,440
To try to solidify him as a director is being able to make a artsy movie and a thinker rather than just to feel good

621
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,320
straightforward movie, you know

622
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,800
be it romantic comedy or drama and he handles drama very well in

623
00:31:54,800 --> 00:32:01,280
His movies in the past like the drama even though he didn't direct but the drama written in

624
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,640
Fast Times of Ridgemont High is fantastic. It's pretty dark and a little heady

625
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,300
You know about the concepts that characters are dealing with and then also to what Jerry

626
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Handled while in that movie too like

627
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,040
Absolutely, so he has some strengths and it's understandable

628
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,480
you know why he might gravitate towards this because at the core and maybe

629
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,480
at the core it's about

630
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,040
Happiness and love

631
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,840
But none of that is done

632
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,640
I don't know death and

633
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:42,960
And and like you're like so summing up your life in a in a way and that's that tells me

634
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,280
And maybe somebody going through some sort of midlife thing

635
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,920
Possibly and the death of their their parents maybe or their their father

636
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:56,120
Possibly because that's such like such a big part of the beginning and end of this movie

637
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,840
Surprisingly like it brings that back up when you're like, oh wow. Yeah

638
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,600
I well like the whole Kurt Russell character and everything which I'd love to talk about

639
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,440
Yeah

640
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,520
Because this is where it started it does starts this you know stream and

641
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,920
What time period is this and why is he wearing this mask and what's going on here?

642
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,720
But love that he's in the movie, you know, I Kurt Russell can't can't really do any wrong as far as I'm concerned

643
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,080
Kind of the best and to know that he

644
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,360
The retroactive thing that I had I would have the most fun with with this movie when it's trying to say all these dream things

645
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,720
It's like okay, whatever

646
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,720
But the fact that I want to know if he really was trying to do like a slight little

647
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,520
Gregory Peck thing and I was I would like to go back

648
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:48,280
I'm not going to but maybe like just trying to think I'm like, oh, is he doing any peck peck mannerism

649
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,320
I completely agree because it was so undeserved

650
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:06,640
But that the revelations that happened in the last ten minutes of this movie with and the associations like really heady concepts that you know sure

651
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,560
Like quotes or trivia about this movie that I saw was you know

652
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:18,480
Cameron Crowe being like this movie is designed in a way that is like so deep that you can like I don't

653
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,040
like

654
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,280
If you want to go deeper you can I guess is the way that he described it and there are

655
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,280
things in this that

656
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,280
Makes sense why he would say that but I just I don't think to great success, right?

657
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,880
He places his own tinge on it. I'm sure and I think that's one of them

658
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:45,480
That seems to be a Cameron Croweism of like placing that in and that little montage of the end of all the images of like

659
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,600
Oh, look the cover for the river by Bruce Springsteen was like one of the like the

660
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:56,080
The summing up like little pieces of art at the end is just like that. There's things like that that are very

661
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,280
Cameron

662
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,280
Free will

663
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,920
Oh, that was that was see that was a satisfying thing as well

664
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,920
of like

665
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaking of like redoing something like him redoing this movie for him to reenact like an album cover. I thought that was

666
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,760
That was pretty cool. And like that was like a weird subconscious thing for me when I first saw it

667
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,560
I was like, why does that look like a fucking blast to that scene? Yeah?

668
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,440
Oh, he must have gone to the same same spot and everything

669
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,720
I would assume you probably had fun by and large because in his mind

670
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,880
I think to what we've brought up already like the point of I

671
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,280
I this does really seem like such a passion project of Cameron Crowe

672
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,080
I think there's a good amount of really screen in this like and him being able to

673
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,360
To mess around like yeah, like when they're just hanging out in the bed

674
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:50,360
And like there's those little still images of like it'll it'll it'll it'll pause and then it'll jump cut like pause and then jump cut

675
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:57,440
And then the whole mole conversation everything to this just like that that kind of thing is what he's trying to instill like this sort of natural

676
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,760
Quality to the sort of thing but then you have Tom cruiser where it just comes across as

677
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:08,520
Just kind of contrived and he's a creepy man. He's just kind of creepy in some of those creep in those moments. We're just intense

678
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,520
He's very intense

679
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:16,840
It's like a guy I feel like you can hang out with him for hours upon hours and you wouldn't know anything about him after like

680
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:25,600
Nothing and he would talk a lot. Yeah his you know persona. I guess he's very he just comes off like weirdly cold and

681
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,440
Yeah, which is dead in the

682
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,440
Like a doll's eyes

683
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:37,480
Yeah, did you guys like Penelope Cruz in this? I loved her in it. She's my favorite part of the movie

684
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,480
Yeah, easily

685
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:45,240
Easily any scene she's in I'm like here's somebody that's tuned into this fucking movie that gets the

686
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,600
Understands the assignment and like is bringing so much emotion

687
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,480
Which is like Tom Cruise is creating a vacuum of void of emotion

688
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,080
That's like that's where I need I need something like love and tenderness filling this fucking void

689
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Were you having?

690
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:08,600
Where you say like the people like need to talk like they're dreaming like that's not necessarily true because she finds a way to

691
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,080
Be a person in this

692
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,080
Right

693
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,880
Even like the dividing line when it does as they say become a dream at the end and she picks him up from the street

694
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,320
It felt so unnatural that she just like

695
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:28,680
It already felt like like such a weird scene with the lighting of the sunset and you slept on the street and she was like

696
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,080
All of a sudden like oh, I'm let's turn this around

697
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:38,480
My life is gonna change forever. Isn't it like that had that that kind of line happened at that moment, which is like what?

698
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:45,080
Like my life is gonna change forever from starting from this moment and

699
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,600
What like it was and then you find out that is a dream

700
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,520
But then she has just so much sincerity to her

701
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,560
Performance and I'm sure it helps that she's playing it for the the second time

702
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,360
Are you did you like some of like the Kurt Russell and like the Penelope Cruise performances Weston or?

703
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,280
Yeah, I thought Penelope Cruise was just natural and like

704
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,960
Obviously like beautiful and just kind of fit in there really nicely. I thought but

705
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,960
I mean Kurt Russell was

706
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,840
Funny to me like when he popped up, okay?

707
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:26,120
I don't know how he got in this but it's it's definitely fun seeing him not in a very Kurt Russell movie like this was

708
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,920
Interesting to see him play like this

709
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,920
Just kind of downplayed

710
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:43,360
Psychiatrists psychiatrist, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, like father figure. I guess the first time food is

711
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,160
I like he did get pretty goofy Kurt Russell at the end, which I really liked

712
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:54,720
Yeah, yeah, where he's like so if I just wanted him to come back now. He just runs out the door. He's like, hey, you gotta get out of here

713
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,880
When he finds out he's a fucking

714
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,360
Machination for it. He's like my mortality is entertainment. What do you mean?

715
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,720
He's like this whole like breakdown on top of a building. I was like, what the fuck am I watching right now?

716
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:16,280
Like what is going on like I'm this guy is I'm feeling for the emotions of this made-up thing and

717
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:22,520
Tom it's like an inception more than Tom Cruise in that moment person like getting sad or something

718
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:29,720
Right or like an NPC. Yeah, fine. He's an NPC. He's an NPC. Yeah, like an NPC in a video game

719
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:36,120
You know having it that a life outside of you playing them where it's just them being like nothing this, you know

720
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:42,520
They're only there to serve you and it's so interesting. But man, yeah, just I would like to hear his opinions on outback steakhouse

721
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,960
If you're like, oh, so you got outback. So what do you order?

722
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:52,680
He's like I get the flamin yarn with the side potato and the squab rat. Okay. Okay

723
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,920
What are your daughter's names? I

724
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,520
Love the Wednesday night outback in-house move. I think that's so funny

725
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,440
I'll back in-house move. I think that's such a fun family move

726
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,120
It was black

727
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,800
Yes, that was such a silly line silly s-line. Yeah, I like

728
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:26,280
These black Angus night black Angus night with the daughters. Oh, I have two daughters as you know

729
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,760
I would love the god to be a fly in the wall for a

730
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,520
Black Angus night with Kurt Russell. Oh come on. I mean come on

731
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,640
I want that movie over this movie

732
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,880
I was sad when he was I was actually yeah, like kind of sad when he said he was leaving

733
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,960
I'm glad that he stuck around a bit longer

734
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,280
But like he's like this is where I go like I'm not gonna be at the trial and I was like Kurt Russell don't leave the movie

735
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,160
You were like a nice little like presents the whole time now. I'm stuck with Tom Cruise and his mask

736
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,440
so

737
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,920
after the introduction of Kurt Russell, there's the party that happens and

738
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,680
It's

739
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,680
introduces us to

740
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,240
Penelope Cruz also John likey

741
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,920
Galakies in the city. Galakies there. Yeah, and Timothy Spal

742
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,720
Love that spals here. I

743
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,760
We just did a spall. It feels like a dream a good one

744
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:34,720
Yeah, really just such an interesting face that guy is such a interesting look. This is the same party that has the

745
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,040
scenes

746
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,040
Timberholda martini

747
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:47,440
Meet cute with Penelope Cruz. Karen Diaz goes to his room take takes off all her clothes and then like a costume when he walks in

748
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,600
Yeah, absolutely and

749
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,040
No one knew she was up for party. Did they did the other?

750
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:59,800
Yeah, you know that he was there. Yeah, how did he how did she get to that point if she wasn't invited?

751
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,280
She was just there never left the bedroom. She never left the bedroom

752
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,040
Right, maybe that's what it is as they hit the party is the same night and she just

753
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,320
Could be it but it has a lot of Jason Lee

754
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:25,480
The combo stuff which man I just drunk Jason Lee drunk which man his cuz he says he's drunk like five fucking times

755
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:31,120
That's how you know so drunk. I drank so much this evening. Look at how drunk I am

756
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,080
I'm Jason Lee

757
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:41,880
I'm Jason Lee. What are you doing? Oh, I'm a cuck. Oh, I'm constantly getting cucked in this whole movie. I'm Jason Lee

758
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,880
You can have my girl

759
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,880
Oh

760
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,880
Man he drove me nuts

761
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,240
Character kind of took me out of it. I don't know. I mean

762
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:01,240
He was just thrown in there as like the cool. I mean obviously the bro, you know, but dude. Yeah, it's a classic

763
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:07,740
Lee I just I don't know. Yeah, I just I they have such little chemistry. They seem like

764
00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:14,620
Bros just by like guilt by association like exactly big time cuz he's just like what like

765
00:43:15,100 --> 00:43:19,460
Publishing his book that he's writing. Oh, and it really does at first like feel like a

766
00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:25,140
Business relationship which I guess works for the movie. But when that like no, we're best friend

767
00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:29,900
But then they like try to push it at the end. I was like, oh, no, we're best friends and he did this three-day memorial

768
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:34,540
I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, I didn't buy that best friend. Yeah

769
00:43:34,540 --> 00:43:37,180
Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're right to me

770
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:45,620
No, it's cuz yeah, cuz Tom Cruise doesn't have friends. What's that purposeful though? Like maybe in a little bit is yeah

771
00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:49,300
Absolutely, cuz I think if I were just posited to you know

772
00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:55,440
The at least the way that I interpret the like wavelength of this movie is that again, this is like a yuppie asshole

773
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:01,260
This is a guy who's been gifted everything in his life. Yeah, everybody everybody in his life is really just very like

774
00:44:01,260 --> 00:44:07,580
Functionary like they're just here because he has the power and everybody's trying to use them which

775
00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:14,580
That's the wavelength that this movie would like to operate in because then from that wavelength you build upon the anxiety of

776
00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:17,460
his relationships with everybody and how

777
00:44:18,980 --> 00:44:23,220
He gets kind of into conspiracies and he just can't trust anybody

778
00:44:23,900 --> 00:44:29,060
All of that is built into this idea that again, it's just it's I

779
00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:32,140
I understand to degree what this movie is trying to do

780
00:44:32,140 --> 00:44:37,740
But then if you were to take a step back you're like, but this isn't a likable character at all. Why do I give a shit?

781
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:41,260
Right like why do I care about this fucking good-looking?

782
00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:47,260
Millionaire that doesn't have any real relationships and treats women like shit like okay

783
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:48,940
He's falling in love with Penelope Cruz

784
00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:57,300
But even the stuff he brings to the relationship is almost nothing just pure infatuation like aren't I like it's almost like aren't I great?

785
00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:02,580
You should be falling in love with me. It's not like we ever see him do anything really that nice for

786
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:07,940
Penelope Cruz or really go out of his way. He just immediately goes into this whole of

787
00:45:08,980 --> 00:45:11,300
You know the car accident stuff

788
00:45:11,980 --> 00:45:13,020
Yeah, yeah, yeah

789
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:18,060
He almost takes on like Cameron Diaz's role to Penelope Cruz and he's kind of like

790
00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:22,540
Following her around and making her his life and his way out of this situation

791
00:45:22,540 --> 00:45:27,940
But I mean you're spot-on with all of that stuff and like leading up to the car accident

792
00:45:27,940 --> 00:45:32,820
It was already just like I don't really care about this guy because he's he was with Cameron Diaz

793
00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:35,820
He drops her goes for his friends date

794
00:45:36,420 --> 00:45:43,940
Yeah, like that's a fucking dick move like he's just right when he sees her is just like already like and then

795
00:45:43,940 --> 00:45:52,180
You know after all of that the things that do happen which are terrible like awful things happen to him

796
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:55,660
The awful thing being the car accident

797
00:45:56,140 --> 00:46:00,340
It's hard for obviously you have pity for him and everything

798
00:46:00,340 --> 00:46:08,340
But it's like this is a man that started with every like he has a beautiful face and now he doesn't have a beautiful face anymore

799
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:12,740
So has everything else he seems like he has headaches. Unfortunately. That's it's hard to me

800
00:46:12,740 --> 00:46:14,740
But it's just hard to have full

801
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:16,460
You know

802
00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:22,420
Empathy 100% with him when it's really just about like I don't look as good anymore

803
00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:29,060
So on that point it's like it's it's fucked up because he is obviously like going yeah, he's going through a lot

804
00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:33,620
That's right, but it's just it's what what's everything led up to him. It just like in

805
00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:38,100
The mood in the shape of the movie, but maybe I sound like an asshole on them

806
00:46:38,100 --> 00:46:44,100
No, no, no, I think you're right on which I would be remiss to not bring up especially with that point that you just made about it

807
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:44,980
the

808
00:46:44,980 --> 00:46:49,820
vanilla sky featuring and Connie West song through the wire where he is talking about

809
00:46:50,260 --> 00:46:54,020
Emotionally being devastated because his face isn't going to look as good anymore

810
00:46:54,020 --> 00:47:00,140
And that makes it into the line and do a song through the wire which I would potentially argue is his best song

811
00:47:00,620 --> 00:47:06,620
It's a great song and it's very sad and just because you're successful and just because you have everything like whatever

812
00:47:06,620 --> 00:47:10,900
Doesn't mean like you deserve something bad happening to you, but within the context of the movie

813
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:15,700
It just doesn't really put you on his side and the way that he

814
00:47:16,540 --> 00:47:21,300
holds on to Penelope Cruz after that is unfair to her and

815
00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:25,620
Just because they had one wonderful night together

816
00:47:25,620 --> 00:47:27,980
I'd word I guess they were together for for a bit

817
00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:32,540
But if she's gonna go and live her own life and everything and how it changes from that moment

818
00:47:32,540 --> 00:47:34,540
I guess is what where we're getting to is

819
00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:41,660
I'm I'm kind of satisfied with discussing what we know from the end of the movie like spoilers sort of situation because

820
00:47:42,140 --> 00:47:48,660
This is the point where it goes into dreamland of like when he's in the gutter and he wakes up

821
00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:54,900
And that was another upsetting thing of me of like when you do find out when it turns into dreamland and cryo

822
00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:56,060
I

823
00:47:56,060 --> 00:48:01,420
Assumed it was the whole fucking movie and why not make it the whole man the dude is a fuck like has everything

824
00:48:01,420 --> 00:48:05,020
It seems like he's like on top of the world like he's you know, he's he's handsome. He's

825
00:48:05,860 --> 00:48:13,580
He's he's with attractive women and he's like the boss of like, you know, whatever journalism sort of company and all this stuff and

826
00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:20,940
Like that and the fact that they're like no all of that stuff before is still there all of that stuff is real

827
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:23,820
But it's past that and it's past

828
00:48:24,260 --> 00:48:29,300
The point when he was in the gutter and when he should have a redemption arc and this is getting into my whole beef with a movie

829
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:33,100
But he should have a redemption arc at this moment at this moment

830
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:38,100
He should be redeeming himself in which he kind of does you kind of see him heading there

831
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:44,700
And then they fucking take it away at the end and they tell you know, he didn't redeem himself at the end

832
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:47,700
Spoiler alert he

833
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:56,140
Unalived himself at that moment, which is the most depressing fucking thing to ever like I don't know to put in this movie is so fucking depressing

834
00:48:56,140 --> 00:49:01,380
Rather than like oh like he each he made it, you know, all that is true

835
00:49:01,380 --> 00:49:07,140
And he made a redemption sort of thing and said no it's like it just got worse from there and that just is so grim

836
00:49:07,140 --> 00:49:15,340
It's so grim in this movie and it's it's strange that when the dream logic is upsetting when they make you think about it so much

837
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:21,660
Yeah, that's a tape. Yeah, that tastes in my mouth from from all and the logic fuck fucks with me

838
00:49:22,340 --> 00:49:24,340
Yeah, I mean I agree with you because

839
00:49:24,340 --> 00:49:31,620
It just yeah cuz so up until this point in the conversation even we've talked about how there is a lot of dream

840
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:34,860
like things that have been a part of the movie and

841
00:49:35,580 --> 00:49:40,660
Yeah, to then know that the dream actually starts kind of halfway through it is so

842
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:43,380
But then why did they start you off with a steam?

843
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:51,540
Where like the first scene is him going in a Times Square and there's nobody there. Yeah, wasn't that was was that already in the

844
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:59,220
Because the already in cry wrote cry cry wrote cryo chamber at no because it's at the it's at the point when he's in the gutters

845
00:49:59,220 --> 00:50:05,980
When that begins because he goes to them after that moment and then takes all those all those pills and everything

846
00:50:05,980 --> 00:50:07,980
But that's where this movie is fucking annoying

847
00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:12,660
Because it just throw a shit ton of red herrings at you leading up to that moment

848
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:16,900
They're throwing red herring after red herring to make you think like oh, what's a dream? What's not a dream?

849
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:20,260
Whoa Cameron Crowe you're making you're putting my mind in a flurry

850
00:50:20,260 --> 00:50:27,940
But it's just trying to fuck with you and not purposely not unlike a I don't know in a way that's satisfying and in my mind

851
00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:32,820
the switching of the faces with like Penelope cruising and Cameradillas was

852
00:50:33,820 --> 00:50:34,820
somewhat

853
00:50:34,820 --> 00:50:40,620
Interesting but also like in like a vertigo sort of way almost I like I like that kind of stuff

854
00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:45,020
But it's just it's hammy a lot of this is is hammy through thriller stuff

855
00:50:45,980 --> 00:50:47,300
Yeah

856
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:50,620
But what do you guys think of the second half lead like when he

857
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:57,220
After the accident like what do you guys do is there a half that you prefer is what do you think of the?

858
00:50:58,820 --> 00:51:02,020
This this portion of him with these scars

859
00:51:03,020 --> 00:51:08,500
Trying to make his way in life as as a as a disfigured man. Yeah, I

860
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:15,940
It's a pretty upset it's upsetting shit, but there was a moment though in it where I was on

861
00:51:16,940 --> 00:51:19,500
Like giving like I was noticing the

862
00:51:20,420 --> 00:51:26,340
acting prowess of Tom Cruise where he is able to

863
00:51:27,220 --> 00:51:32,620
put all of these situations on top of his character and that

864
00:51:32,620 --> 00:51:37,940
Come out physically and the and also the way that he delivers his dialogue

865
00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:43,500
It does have all of the past experiences attached to it, you know where it's so

866
00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:48,740
Yeah, I don't know it was very good to a degree

867
00:51:48,740 --> 00:51:53,660
I mean ultimately what he ends up doing and what he says at times still was tough

868
00:51:53,660 --> 00:52:00,300
But like I don't know his physicality after the accident. I thought was genuinely pretty good club

869
00:52:00,300 --> 00:52:04,060
Seen stuck out to me. Yeah, I just say that scene. Yeah

870
00:52:05,180 --> 00:52:09,020
That was interesting it was especially for the fact I

871
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:14,620
Notice where a very terrible job by the bartender that if somebody is

872
00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:17,980
If you're giving somebody just line up of shots

873
00:52:17,980 --> 00:52:24,540
So first off somebody asks you for shots and then you just give them six in a row so that they say it to my face bitch

874
00:52:24,540 --> 00:52:29,260
Say it to my face bitch. Do you have patron?

875
00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:34,780
Um

876
00:52:35,500 --> 00:52:39,420
God I love how yeah, he kind of the bartender met him at that point, but

877
00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:45,020
In the idea that a bartender is why is it free because I said so

878
00:52:48,420 --> 00:52:50,420
Continue I'm so

879
00:52:50,460 --> 00:52:53,380
Yeah, it's just like you would get in so much trouble

880
00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:57,740
This is what I was kidding. Yeah, like you would get in so much trouble as a bartender

881
00:52:57,740 --> 00:53:01,540
If you just kept serving somebody drinks to the point. They're they're so drunk that they just yell

882
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:09,980
Oh my god, that was just screaming the name of a liquor that they're drinking could you imagine you're like, okay?

883
00:53:09,980 --> 00:53:13,460
It's like chill. All right, dude. I do like the look of having a mask

884
00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:17,540
What do you call it the guy? Oh, yeah, Harry Potter

885
00:53:18,580 --> 00:53:20,180
Yeah, like

886
00:53:20,180 --> 00:53:24,060
Quirrell professor quarrel style just having a face on your on the back of your head

887
00:53:25,380 --> 00:53:29,620
It's like he's got two faces man or malignant malignant style brandy

888
00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:38,180
It's so malignant style. Have you seen that one Weston? Have you seen? Oh, I need to

889
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:52,500
Check out malignant. It's awesome. That's pretty great. The scale got broken

890
00:53:56,340 --> 00:53:58,340
Container review

891
00:53:58,460 --> 00:54:00,460
Yeah, then the classic

892
00:54:01,220 --> 00:54:02,420
Oh

893
00:54:02,420 --> 00:54:08,300
What how does it go like I will talk about this and then another life when we're both here another life when we're both cats

894
00:54:08,300 --> 00:54:12,220
Yeah, and then it yeah, just gets it gets very dark

895
00:54:12,220 --> 00:54:17,900
There's this moment where like he is talking to both Penelope Cruz and Jason Lee and like upsetting both of them

896
00:54:18,300 --> 00:54:22,420
First Penelope Cruz is like, okay, I gotta go and then she just runs away

897
00:54:24,220 --> 00:54:27,300
She just starts running she doesn't walk. She's like, okay, I'll see you guys later

898
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:31,620
Like I'm done with this and then she starts running and the Jason Jason Lee is like, man

899
00:54:31,620 --> 00:54:35,540
You got to pull yourself together and they have like a brief conversation. He's like, yeah, whatever fuck you man

900
00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:38,500
He's like, all right fine. Bye. And then he just starts running

901
00:54:45,540 --> 00:54:48,460
Is he that like Tom Cruise is that just like

902
00:54:49,540 --> 00:54:52,180
Get away. I mean I could understand it

903
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:58,500
Because if he was so drunk that he just fell asleep on the sidewalk. Yeah, man talk about being drunk

904
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:03,980
He's in a dark level. Yeah, dude. He was yeah, he was going through stuff

905
00:55:04,780 --> 00:55:07,900
Then I guess you get the fake redemption arc and then you get the

906
00:55:08,780 --> 00:55:15,960
Facial reconstruction thing and all of this is just played so it's just so hokey how it's played you find out later

907
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:21,220
It is dream logic, but in the moment you don't and there's nothing. I don't know

908
00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:28,300
There's there's there's a lot of things that fuck with you where like once he gets his face reconstructed from that point on

909
00:55:29,020 --> 00:55:33,700
Almost every scene there's like is it though? Is it reconciled is it back to normal?

910
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:38,820
I don't know like almost every scene. There's there's a moment and like he's laying on the pillow

911
00:55:38,820 --> 00:55:40,860
It's like on half of his face, yeah

912
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,300
We're gonna say what oh

913
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:51,880
The that the moment in the film where he won't take his mask off because he's afraid. Um, yeah

914
00:55:51,980 --> 00:55:54,700
Brandon go into that hole. Yeah. Yeah

915
00:55:55,340 --> 00:55:56,380
um

916
00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:57,980
because that's

917
00:55:57,980 --> 00:56:03,540
Such a huge misdirect because at this point in the movie so Tom Cruise is in jail

918
00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:07,460
But we don't really know why it has to do with

919
00:56:07,460 --> 00:56:14,940
Yeah, we don't I don't I don't think we fully know but then there's so there's a lot of cutting back and forth in this

920
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:20,540
Middle latter half of the movie where it is Kurt Russell trying to get out of him

921
00:56:21,180 --> 00:56:23,820
You know almost a confession

922
00:56:23,820 --> 00:56:30,060
so it leans into this idea that everybody is out to get Tom Cruise because that has been kind of like

923
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:34,180
An undercurrent as well in the movie where

924
00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:42,700
potentially what's going on is the seven dwarves are trying to take over the business so they are

925
00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:45,300
They're responsible for Cameron Diaz

926
00:56:46,220 --> 00:56:54,300
And then also too now Tom Cruise is feeling like most people he's interacted with are actually hired by the seven dwarves to

927
00:56:54,380 --> 00:57:00,580
derail him or consider or get him to a point where people can easily consider him incompetent and

928
00:57:00,580 --> 00:57:03,980
so that he can't run his company anymore and

929
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:07,500
All of that is really to no avail

930
00:57:09,580 --> 00:57:16,020
You know like there isn't some I don't know a scene where they actually do take over the company

931
00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:21,660
But we spend a lot of time with this idea that I mean right before the twist is revealed it essentially

932
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:24,780
like Timothy Spall comes back and is like

933
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:27,580
These are the pictures

934
00:57:27,580 --> 00:57:35,020
The board and I have it all figured out and or is he does he get away with it because they they say she's not pressing charges

935
00:57:36,460 --> 00:57:39,260
That's before he talks to Timothy Spall about stuff

936
00:57:39,420 --> 00:57:42,300
Spall is like saying like him him and the board have it figured out

937
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:47,260
I don't know another big British actor who plays another Harry Potter person

938
00:57:49,100 --> 00:57:55,340
No, we got Noah Taylor we got a we got Charlie Bucket's father and yeah, we got Timothy Spall Peter pedigree

939
00:57:55,340 --> 00:58:01,780
Oh, yeah, is there another Harry Potter? No, no, no, that's it. Sorry. Yeah, yeah

940
00:58:03,140 --> 00:58:08,260
I do like that we got double dipings of Noah Taylor though because he's pretty great. Yes the no Taylor

941
00:58:08,260 --> 00:58:10,260
I've been confusing him with

942
00:58:10,300 --> 00:58:12,300
I wouldn't be surprised

943
00:58:13,020 --> 00:58:14,700
Potter I

944
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:20,380
Don't think so, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was I was like, I'm right. I'm sure he's looking background somewhere

945
00:58:20,660 --> 00:58:22,460
No Taylor was in

946
00:58:22,460 --> 00:58:27,460
We did a Charlie and the chocolate factory. He was a when he was father pop a bucket. Oh

947
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:30,700
Okay, yeah

948
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:38,100
So now now we're in like the which who's who Sophia and Julia

949
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:40,660
Julie

950
00:58:40,660 --> 00:58:45,180
And do I have a face or not and and this whole portion is

951
00:58:45,180 --> 00:58:51,020
Like I the thing with this movie is I want to like it and there's multiple portions

952
00:58:51,020 --> 00:58:54,580
Where I feel like it's like starting up again into a new interesting direction

953
00:58:54,580 --> 00:58:58,900
And this is one of those directions are like, oh, like you're not really sure if it's fully and

954
00:58:59,460 --> 00:59:02,220
Like right off the right off the beginning of it. I'm like, okay

955
00:59:02,220 --> 00:59:07,260
Let's see where this goes and it just rapidly declines into a point where I just I declined to care

956
00:59:07,620 --> 00:59:11,660
Movie and the stylistic elements don't push me over the edge

957
00:59:11,660 --> 00:59:16,580
In fact, they kind of hold me back and upsetting way when it's like I do like this song

958
00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:21,220
But I don't know how it applies to this or I don't know if it's being used in the best way

959
00:59:21,220 --> 00:59:23,220
Or I don't know if we need to be record dropping here

960
00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:30,060
Yeah, I agree especially the let's be friends by Todd Rungren in the scene where suffocates

961
00:59:31,060 --> 00:59:37,580
I was like right after it slowly it slowly builds up into the bridge of the song where it does that

962
00:59:37,580 --> 00:59:42,020
I don't know what that that that that that that that that that that

963
00:59:42,740 --> 00:59:44,740
Hmm

964
00:59:46,980 --> 00:59:52,900
Great some great teams they got the like heaven by stones that song is like a great poll. I like that

965
00:59:54,140 --> 00:59:56,140
You like that one Western?

966
00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:04,780
Heaven by rolling stones, that's a good one. I'm trying to remember which scene that was because I I'm thinking of the

967
01:00:04,780 --> 01:00:11,940
Cigar Ross song was big for me that in the end, you know, the Cigarosa or C. Ross, yeah

968
01:00:12,260 --> 01:00:15,020
And it was a chemical brother song in the near the end there, too

969
01:00:15,020 --> 01:00:20,140
I was looking at the the soundtrack I can I can list off if I mean, yeah, they had a couple of radiohead songs

970
01:00:20,140 --> 01:00:22,640
I had everything in its right place and I

971
01:00:24,340 --> 01:00:30,820
Might be wrong from amnesiac or I remember but it was there. Yeah, there was the Beach Boys good vibrations

972
01:00:30,820 --> 01:00:38,580
Which I just I just thought that was just like a little forced as well. Yeah a lot of it kind of felt very music video

973
01:00:39,340 --> 01:00:41,980
to me it was hard for me to kind of I

974
01:00:43,140 --> 01:00:46,420
Guess take that part of the movie seriously, but maybe that's the point, too

975
01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:52,300
Maybe it's supposed to come off sterile and commercialized and just you know a little bit. Yeah

976
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:56,540
The problem is just yeah, it's like the whole movie feels like that so it's in the yeah

977
01:00:56,540 --> 01:01:00,900
And then yeah when it becomes a dream is a silly silly thing in my mind

978
01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:03,900
And I think it was like you just make the whole thing about a dream, you know

979
01:01:04,060 --> 01:01:09,500
Because then the whole thing you can justify it being a fucking weird and everything but now it's like oh no just this part

980
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:11,500
It's like so how do you explain?

981
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:14,380
Because all that shit was fucking weird, too

982
01:01:16,220 --> 01:01:17,700
Exactly

983
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:22,220
But like the the the cryo thing is a running running plot line

984
01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:30,220
That is the one thing that is foreshadowed constantly in the movie. Well, the bennie bennie the dog situation and it's like this applies

985
01:01:31,420 --> 01:01:33,420
Like somehow I guess but it's also

986
01:01:35,260 --> 01:01:43,660
I thought it was just referring to him going through a coma, you know life something what is it called after life or new life or something

987
01:01:43,980 --> 01:01:47,540
Yeah, it's like life planning life just something like that, but

988
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:50,740
That shit

989
01:01:50,740 --> 01:01:59,300
Was an interesting addition to the movie until it wasn't like it's it's something that like in better hands could have been handled in a

990
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:02,820
cooler way like a Charlie Kaufman like a spike Jones like a

991
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:08,500
Michelle Gondry or some shit, you know like there's there's a cool interesting

992
01:02:09,540 --> 01:02:15,620
bananas weird way to do this and and it's a little commercial like you're saying like this movie is a little commercially

993
01:02:16,380 --> 01:02:18,380
realistic and

994
01:02:18,380 --> 01:02:20,980
this is the point where it all is is

995
01:02:21,740 --> 01:02:29,780
Is coming together being climbed the climactic moment and I'm kind of just more frustrated and then I don't know

996
01:02:29,780 --> 01:02:31,780
I think we're pretty much at this Noah Taylor

997
01:02:32,140 --> 01:02:37,740
Elevator scene right where it all yeah, I would just say to them so go is like my forgetting, you know all of the

998
01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:47,420
Pop culture-ness of this movie is supposed to be attributed to that is what Tom Cruise would base his life on

999
01:02:47,420 --> 01:02:50,820
Mm-hmm, and so all of it has a meta commentary that

1000
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:58,740
Somebody would have these songs playing in the background of their life because that's the songs that they grew up with and they would have

1001
01:02:58,940 --> 01:03:03,460
You know to speak to the note Noah Taylor stuff that the monologue he goes on

1002
01:03:04,380 --> 01:03:11,020
About how you've made up all of these things and they're based on pop culture references that have influenced your life

1003
01:03:11,020 --> 01:03:17,860
Mm-hmm, but again, that's that sounds cool. How you describe it sounds cool, right?

1004
01:03:17,860 --> 01:03:25,220
Yeah, it just doesn't pay off in like a super satisfying way like no not at all if that's that's a big one for me that I

1005
01:03:25,740 --> 01:03:27,740
kind of wish was kind of

1006
01:03:28,540 --> 01:03:32,820
Just this the way that Benny the dog was kind of sprinkled throughout the movie

1007
01:03:32,820 --> 01:03:35,540
The dog I would have liked his pop culture

1008
01:03:35,540 --> 01:03:41,380
side of him kind of sprinkled in a better way throughout because I don't know you see him reaching for music

1009
01:03:41,380 --> 01:03:44,620
Oh, you want to listen radio head? I don't know and then he gets almost gets into the first accident

1010
01:03:44,860 --> 01:03:45,940
but

1011
01:03:45,940 --> 01:03:51,900
You see some posters on his wall, you know, you and to know that and then I've never I've actually never seen jewels in Jim

1012
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:53,020
So I should watch that movie

1013
01:03:53,020 --> 01:03:58,860
But I would like to see if I do I would like to see if Penelope Cruise pulled anything from that for this performance for Penelope

1014
01:03:58,860 --> 01:04:02,980
sky if she was trying to because that's what it was kind of saying is that she was kind of

1015
01:04:02,980 --> 01:04:06,500
His jewels and Jim sort of reference and

1016
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:12,220
All of this said you find out at the end of this movie that

1017
01:04:12,820 --> 01:04:16,380
Yeah, it's not all of it is a dream, but up to this point is it is a dream

1018
01:04:17,260 --> 01:04:21,580
and when he describes that and as I said earlier that like

1019
01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:26,100
bummed me out so much it is so depressing

1020
01:04:27,140 --> 01:04:31,580
How he his character goes out in like reality

1021
01:04:31,580 --> 01:04:36,420
And then you find out that he has he's done that in reality

1022
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:39,780
And then what is his solution to get back into reality?

1023
01:04:40,540 --> 01:04:44,180
To kill himself kill himself again, but like that's I don't know

1024
01:04:44,180 --> 01:04:49,780
I kind of is it weird that I have like an issue with that like they're kind of idealizing suicide in a way

1025
01:04:49,780 --> 01:04:53,780
Like and as a way to crossing over and all that shit like I don't know that that shit

1026
01:04:53,780 --> 01:04:56,220
And it's like all of a sudden he's afraid of heights which was just

1027
01:04:56,220 --> 01:05:01,460
Broaden in the very last second as well all these things that have no payoff because they're introduced so late

1028
01:05:01,820 --> 01:05:06,260
But the fact that he has to do that twice at the end of the movie is such a fucking bummer

1029
01:05:06,860 --> 01:05:09,380
Yeah, it is a bummer because

1030
01:05:11,820 --> 01:05:13,820
It's trying to say something about

1031
01:05:14,820 --> 01:05:21,620
A person like Tom Cruise's reality and it is also commentary on existence from the director and the writer

1032
01:05:21,620 --> 01:05:28,060
And it is a grim reality where all of these influences

1033
01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:32,020
Are

1034
01:05:32,020 --> 01:05:35,740
Part of this imagination that you create for yourself

1035
01:05:37,140 --> 01:05:39,140
But

1036
01:05:39,020 --> 01:05:42,020
Does does he yeah like

1037
01:05:42,820 --> 01:05:46,860
Sorry, no, no, no you go go go or just I'm thinking like okay

1038
01:05:46,860 --> 01:05:50,900
So even like the little ellipsis that's put into the character

1039
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:52,900
ellipsis that's put on the end of this movie

1040
01:05:52,900 --> 01:06:02,900
Do you think in his dream life in crypto for the past 150 years that he's mentally worked on himself enough to be ready for life in the fucking future?

1041
01:06:03,700 --> 01:06:06,700
No, right like why like the movie is like wow

1042
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:13,460
He's he's and his eyes wake up and now he's ready for life and he's gonna it's like no he's not equipped for that

1043
01:06:13,580 --> 01:06:15,580
What's gonna happen?

1044
01:06:15,580 --> 01:06:23,340
Changer of of moral character like for the better in his and his character are

1045
01:06:23,860 --> 01:06:27,460
At least to me like there doesn't seem yeah, I know I agree. Yeah

1046
01:06:27,900 --> 01:06:34,220
Any moral progression or anything he conquers his his completely random fear fights

1047
01:06:36,100 --> 01:06:38,300
They mentioned what once in the movie about

1048
01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:41,180
Because he talks about his dad's

1049
01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:45,180
He was talking about his dad's book to Kurt Russell and

1050
01:06:47,180 --> 01:06:51,500
Like referencing like almost like his dad is the type of person who would jump out of a plane

1051
01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:58,540
Oh, right he rescinded him for having a fear of heights. All right. That's also representative of

1052
01:06:59,100 --> 01:07:05,740
His fervor for life or like his existence and it's this yeah, it's just a weird commentary on

1053
01:07:05,740 --> 01:07:10,780
You know how that generation and this generation are different and you could

1054
01:07:11,740 --> 01:07:17,220
Get to a place with this movie where you're like what it's saying is that

1055
01:07:18,180 --> 01:07:20,180
This new reality is

1056
01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:23,620
I don't know like not

1057
01:07:24,140 --> 01:07:26,220
Yeah, no, it's not that it's not worth it

1058
01:07:26,220 --> 01:07:33,020
But I don't know I guess now I'm just thinking about the question that is reiterated in this movie a couple times which is like

1059
01:07:33,020 --> 01:07:35,460
What makes you happy is it

1060
01:07:36,740 --> 01:07:40,660
Right like multiple characters say like what makes you happy

1061
01:07:41,660 --> 01:07:47,380
And does the movie answer that question because if it doesn't I don't think the movie then accomplished its mission

1062
01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:51,020
Yeah, I don't think

1063
01:07:51,220 --> 01:07:57,020
I don't I think this movie is convoluted to say the least and then it tries to justify that

1064
01:07:58,020 --> 01:08:01,020
state of affairs throughout the script and then it tries to justify that

1065
01:08:01,020 --> 01:08:03,020
state of affairs throughout the script and whatnot with a

1066
01:08:05,020 --> 01:08:07,020
You know a quick little

1067
01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:09,620
expository wrap up

1068
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:16,020
Through the like tallest, you know building in the longest elevator, which is a dream so whatever it can go as long as it wants but

1069
01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:18,820
It's

1070
01:08:18,820 --> 01:08:23,900
That does not make it a good movie and there's and unfortunately

1071
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:27,020
it's not necessarily because of

1072
01:08:27,020 --> 01:08:30,980
Those reasons that Noah Taylor describes of that twist

1073
01:08:30,980 --> 01:08:36,300
I think there is a maybe a version of this movie where that works and there literally is

1074
01:08:36,740 --> 01:08:41,660
Maybe not with all the others. I don't know if the cryo how much of the cryo stuff is involved in the original

1075
01:08:41,660 --> 01:08:47,260
But there is an original movie that is able to exist and was popular enough to create a

1076
01:08:47,700 --> 01:08:51,260
Remake of it. So within four years of that one existing

1077
01:08:51,260 --> 01:09:00,060
So I think there's like something there to this movie, but yeah, whatever he put on top of it was like

1078
01:09:00,060 --> 01:09:05,620
I don't know. Oh, look at this delicious steak that it was well prepared and I could eat it

1079
01:09:05,620 --> 01:09:10,620
I could eat it again the same exact way. Well, what if I put like a fucking peanut butter and

1080
01:09:11,260 --> 01:09:13,260
jelly sandwich

1081
01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:17,420
You know like the steak in between the two so it's like a peanut butter jelly steak sandwich

1082
01:09:17,420 --> 01:09:21,940
My name is Cameron Crowe and here's your new movie. It's just unnecessary, you know, it's like it's

1083
01:09:22,260 --> 01:09:26,020
Because Cameron Crowe really likes peanut butter jelly sandwiches like that's cool man

1084
01:09:26,020 --> 01:09:28,020
You're working through some stuff and this is the stuff you like

1085
01:09:28,220 --> 01:09:31,940
It just doesn't really work as well in this situation. Maybe an almost famous one

1086
01:09:31,940 --> 01:09:35,100
It's about music and it's about pop culture and everything but

1087
01:09:36,140 --> 01:09:40,300
Yeah, that movie that movie has a simple message though about

1088
01:09:40,900 --> 01:09:45,860
Growing up in a way that makes coming a page is a big thing for him. Yeah, and I think I just got a romance

1089
01:09:45,860 --> 01:09:50,820
Yeah, they try to have a Jerry McGuire moment. I feel like in this movie of like, you know

1090
01:09:50,820 --> 01:09:56,220
You don't drag me down. I drag me down. There's there is that moment with him at Penelope Cruz, but just sucks

1091
01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:01,900
Put him in a body bag I

1092
01:10:03,420 --> 01:10:09,060
There's a yeah, I mean, I don't know I just I don't fully yeah, it's not that I disagree with you at all about what you just said

1093
01:10:09,340 --> 01:10:14,180
It's a harsh. I'm sorry. Maybe I was just and that's coming from a place

1094
01:10:14,180 --> 01:10:20,540
You know not to not as a cop out but again, like I wanted to walk wanted to like this movie

1095
01:10:20,780 --> 01:10:22,300
What did you do?

1096
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:29,300
The movie starts with Radiohead and has like a bunch and REM multiple times and like all this great music and

1097
01:10:30,540 --> 01:10:34,540
You know, it's revisiting it for a second time. I just I don't know it

1098
01:10:34,940 --> 01:10:42,060
Was frustrating when it didn't reach whatever potential I had in my mind. I guess maybe that's on me, but also like it's a

1099
01:10:42,060 --> 01:10:44,060
It's a frustrating

1100
01:10:44,660 --> 01:10:46,660
pace to go through

1101
01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:49,660
To say the least

1102
01:10:50,980 --> 01:10:55,880
But I don't know I can go through like look through my notes real quick before we go into some reviews

1103
01:10:56,220 --> 01:11:00,940
Tom Cruise running you gotta have Tom Cruise running. He's wearing a silly bucket hat through the office

1104
01:11:04,820 --> 01:11:10,500
Super silly that cost. Yeah, the costumes are very of the time Michael Shannon

1105
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:13,620
I mean great Michael Shannon for what what he's doing. He's just

1106
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:16,500
Just kind of grimacing

1107
01:11:18,300 --> 01:11:21,140
Spielberg right showed up at the party. Oh Spielberg, right?

1108
01:11:22,380 --> 01:11:27,860
Well, and he's I love how like he's wearing his bomber jacket and it's like Steve. It's a party. Come on, man

1109
01:11:29,260 --> 01:11:32,300
We're like relax. We're something you're not directing a movie here

1110
01:11:34,420 --> 01:11:39,540
What if like sit on like a director's chair and be like hey, thanks for having me you can't turn it off

1111
01:11:39,540 --> 01:11:44,980
I just can't know he can't and then they have a cold train hologram there at the party

1112
01:11:48,260 --> 01:11:50,260
They're the tech in this movie

1113
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:56,060
That was that uh, but that's like a nice thing where they don't draw too much attention to it. They're just like hey

1114
01:11:56,060 --> 01:11:58,060
There's cold train. Oh

1115
01:11:58,780 --> 01:12:00,780
Yeah, where does that TV go?

1116
01:12:00,780 --> 01:12:04,420
All the way into the ground and then a part of the ground opens up and then that

1117
01:12:04,420 --> 01:12:10,020
Enormous bar it no it just goes like right out of frame and then it doesn't exist anymore

1118
01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:14,580
And they're we're like pets it. He's like good TV. Good TV. Yeah, it's good

1119
01:12:14,820 --> 01:12:19,580
You look you love that you love to see it when you just pet your robots and you're like you did a good job

1120
01:12:19,580 --> 01:12:22,020
You know you did what you came here to do

1121
01:12:23,980 --> 01:12:27,020
Citizen dildo. Yes, this is Nick name

1122
01:12:27,020 --> 01:12:35,140
Would you guys I don't know having a wall-sized mural of your your dead father in your apartment is is quite the decision

1123
01:12:36,020 --> 01:12:40,180
Yeah, it's also art. Yeah, it's also very close. It's not a

1124
01:12:42,420 --> 01:12:44,420
I don't know it's not a

1125
01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:48,380
It's like artistic

1126
01:12:48,380 --> 01:12:55,620
It's like a war haul it's bizarre you're like staring down on a

1127
01:13:00,860 --> 01:13:04,380
He is a pleasure delayer you like sedging

1128
01:13:06,780 --> 01:13:13,260
That's all you that's that's what he said he's a pleasure delayer. He likes to delay pleasure. He likes edging

1129
01:13:13,260 --> 01:13:21,580
Big edger big. I'm an edgillard energy. Um, what was it? There was a line I had about

1130
01:13:23,020 --> 01:13:30,420
Not letting anybody in unless they get a full bow. You don't let happiness in without a full body search

1131
01:13:31,540 --> 01:13:33,540
That kind of shit dude that line is the same

1132
01:13:33,540 --> 01:13:46,300
I'm like a book that I maybe like I'll read the novelization. It's just too much too well-written. I

1133
01:13:46,540 --> 01:13:48,540
Love to have good of a drawer

1134
01:13:48,540 --> 01:13:51,580
Just a perfect character

1135
01:14:00,980 --> 01:14:04,580
It was done by a professional. Yeah, he's got like cars and women and money

1136
01:14:05,740 --> 01:14:11,260
And then his is like some artful thing. It's like come on. We're doing caricatures get over yourself

1137
01:14:12,420 --> 01:14:16,340
Life the sequel I guess that's how they advertise that cryo thing

1138
01:14:16,340 --> 01:14:24,580
I can tell by the way you were walking you didn't sleep with her is what Cameron Diaz says to him after he walks away from Penelope

1139
01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:31,660
Oh my god, she also said in in this movie that she let him where is it?

1140
01:14:31,660 --> 01:14:38,100
It's like let in let him come in her four times that means something that means something

1141
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:40,100
I swallowed your cup

1142
01:14:44,140 --> 01:14:49,580
You came four times and I swallowed your gum and then I just put dot dot dot geez

1143
01:14:51,900 --> 01:14:58,900
And she's playing music for him and he and he says it's vivid it's vivid

1144
01:15:00,620 --> 01:15:02,620
She has her own music

1145
01:15:02,620 --> 01:15:10,020
Conan there's the Conan bit. Yeah, you're you're an OJ land

1146
01:15:11,380 --> 01:15:13,380
Yeah, Conan's always good

1147
01:15:15,820 --> 01:15:18,500
You had a nightmare everything's a nightmare

1148
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:27,660
Till the Swinton man, we got a young till this one. Oh my god. She's so I love her

1149
01:15:27,660 --> 01:15:33,660
Rips and there's a goofy table that just sees a video for you. I love that

1150
01:15:33,820 --> 01:15:38,700
This is like the kind of the spike Jones kind of moment where it's like you're yeah, this kind of hokey shit

1151
01:15:39,100 --> 01:15:45,980
Yeah, what do you think when they took you into the facility and you you see the you know the corporation behind this?

1152
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:51,260
Right. It's a reason like the the stone. I like yeah, I like to the design

1153
01:15:51,260 --> 01:15:58,940
Oh and till this one was a perfect like the casting the cast in this movie is like not bad

1154
01:15:59,740 --> 01:16:04,620
Like say what you will about hit or miss Tom Tom Cruise Cameron Diaz. Maybe like switch

1155
01:16:06,260 --> 01:16:13,420
But still it's like it's not a bad bad cast and there's there's a movie to be had here and I don't know there's yeah

1156
01:16:13,420 --> 01:16:15,020
It's interesting

1157
01:16:15,020 --> 01:16:18,180
Madonna had that song borderline. Hello the song

1158
01:16:18,180 --> 01:16:19,940
I

1159
01:16:19,940 --> 01:16:24,780
Was like some background conversation some guy was having I think at the place or at the hospital

1160
01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:27,540
Oh, no, is that the hospital when they were working on his face? I think

1161
01:16:28,460 --> 01:16:33,540
Yeah, they were working on his face and then it was like the doctors were saying and they're so what do you want to go eat later?

1162
01:16:33,540 --> 01:16:36,620
Oh, yeah, Madonna had that song borderline. The hell was on

1163
01:16:37,580 --> 01:16:42,940
He sings into that operating room, too. That's what I was upsetting. He's got a hell of a voice

1164
01:16:42,940 --> 01:16:47,940
Got a hell of a voice. Oh

1165
01:16:51,340 --> 01:16:53,340
What did she say I have no idea

1166
01:16:54,340 --> 01:16:59,760
Weird can't the weird camera thing Jason Lee has the restaurant that was goofy

1167
01:17:00,980 --> 01:17:02,980
This is a revolution of the mind

1168
01:17:02,980 --> 01:17:11,020
You have revealed yourself to me you have revealed yourself to me

1169
01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:19,380
Or a camera or is it camera DS? I don't know which at that point for these like you have revealed yourself to me

1170
01:17:21,420 --> 01:17:23,740
He yells a lot of great stuff in this movie

1171
01:17:23,740 --> 01:17:30,100
There's a lot of that where you can do a part of a supercut's got to be some of this movie because him meowing

1172
01:17:30,100 --> 01:17:36,700
Yeah, he brought up he yells a bunch and can I say the next rupee face? Oh, yeah, it's just a lot of like

1173
01:17:38,420 --> 01:17:43,640
Yeah, the meowing with the face was rough and then the thing he yells at the end of the movie a bunch is

1174
01:17:51,940 --> 01:17:56,900
He goes up the elevator and that's that's the movie and then you get the little montage of like images and

1175
01:17:56,900 --> 01:18:00,100
And pop culture and stuff that have influenced his life

1176
01:18:00,460 --> 01:18:04,540
You learn that he's got daddy issues and you wanted Kurt Russell to be his Gregory pack

1177
01:18:04,540 --> 01:18:06,540
Oh, I mean obviously he's got daddy issues

1178
01:18:07,540 --> 01:18:12,540
Oh, I wanted to say it was really fun that it said the line was like

1179
01:18:12,820 --> 01:18:15,940
greatest movies or like your favorite movies and then it was

1180
01:18:16,620 --> 01:18:18,220
dr. No

1181
01:18:18,220 --> 01:18:20,220
Yes

1182
01:18:20,220 --> 01:18:28,020
The man go yeah, nurse a lot him and Ursula on the beach classic. I mean come on

1183
01:18:28,420 --> 01:18:30,420
Yeah, great movie

1184
01:18:31,060 --> 01:18:38,340
Excellent excellent film and it would probably run in through the final moments of my life as I'm shuffling off as well

1185
01:18:39,620 --> 01:18:41,620
No, that was great

1186
01:18:41,620 --> 01:18:52,420
Oh, yeah, and then you also tell like they tell him that he has like no resources when he wakes back up like he has no money

1187
01:18:52,420 --> 01:18:53,300
I'm like

1188
01:18:53,300 --> 01:18:58,540
You didn't gain any interest or he did that's anything like before you like you know a bunch of money

1189
01:18:58,540 --> 01:19:03,020
I don't know. You don't have any money anywhere. Well, yeah, who would do this then?

1190
01:19:05,300 --> 01:19:07,800
You've only been doing this for a year

1191
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,040
These offer it was 150 years. Oh

1192
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:18,600
It was I think is what they said and you don't see whatever future land looks like but John Taylor's like quite a lot has changed

1193
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,000
seven right

1194
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:25,840
Let's hear from you know what he actually says is

1195
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,840
Forgive me. I'm blowing your mind. Oh, yeah, fuck that

1196
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:36,840
Because that's what the movie is trying to tell you to is like isn't this blowing your mind right now

1197
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,120
Huh, sorry, I'm blowing your mind right now. Wow

1198
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,600
I'm gonna do some

1199
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:48,260
Reviews here you guys want to take any breaks or anything. We're good to roll on through. Oh

1200
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:57,120
We're good. Hell yeah, so good Weston. Thank you again for for joining us on on this shit up wild ride

1201
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:03,640
You it's a great way to break up the week. I love a Wednesday night hang so yeah

1202
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,880
Chance I can get to talk movies is just a great time. So this is

1203
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,920
Yeah, this will not be the last time then you're on this podcast

1204
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:16,480
And maybe we'll resurrect prod pod for if you ever want to talk music producers

1205
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:20,360
I was our other podcast where we had with with a blanche there for a second Corey

1206
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:26,120
But that would be fun if we were to resurrect that one you were more than welcome to join us on that one too

1207
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,080
Anyways, let's love it vanilla sky

1208
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:35,480
43% from the critics they did not care for it. Let's hear from some of the top critics on rotten tomatoes

1209
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,160
David Anson Newsweek the real mystery here is

1210
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:46,960
Why a filmmaker as talented and unique as crow would want to devote several years of his life to recreating someone else's movie?

1211
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,400
That's a good point from Steven day Steven deGran

1212
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,200
Good dayness decent films gave it a D

1213
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,400
That's his rating system a riddle wrapped in a mystery and signed an enigma

1214
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:07,120
The problem is the mystery and the enigma are in one movie and the riddles in an entirely different movie

1215
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,720
That's a fun way to say it

1216
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:22,240
Oh and gleamer man entertainment weekly if crows eyes are open he seems to have directed most of an Ellis guy with his mind wide shut oh

1217
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,560
Put them in the buddy bag as brandy

1218
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,800
Let's maybe do

1219
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:38,800
Steven Hunter Washington Post a case of the vein leading the bland point five out of five

1220
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,760
They're really coming out with the zingers for this one

1221
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:50,480
From Mike Clark USA today what works in a quirky foreign film can look silly with expansive Hollywood treatment

1222
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,360
totally I bet man I bet

1223
01:21:53,360 --> 01:22:02,120
That's got a good feeling for that for the critics. Let's check out some audience favored reviews 72%

1224
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:09,760
From Parker five stars. I'll review this movie in another life when all of letterboxed as cats from letterbox

1225
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,280
That's fun. That's so fucking fun from Dave of five stars

1226
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,920
Some loved it most hated it. I'm firmly in camp love

1227
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:26,000
I really admire this remake of the brilliant near perfect Spanish thriller open your eyes Tom Cruise bears his soul and his best performance

1228
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,040
Since his days from born on the Fourth of July and Rain Man

1229
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,680
Cameron Crowe spin on the story which involves the fusion of music hot culture images

1230
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,760
Alternate realities and true romance is a Hollywood remake done well

1231
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:42,600
Even if it does slightly pale in comparison with Alejandro. I'm in a bars vision

1232
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:48,400
Which is darker ambiguous and much sexier Penelope in her own tongue is how Penelope should be

1233
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,120
You know what I mean?

1234
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:55,840
Vanilla sky certainly stands on its own merits as an invigorating piece of work. It's a real piece of work

1235
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:04,080
From Jada five stars knew this was gonna be fire when it opened with the radio. It's uh, I

1236
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,920
Wish I could agree

1237
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,080
You didn't write that review I

1238
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:16,560
Wish I wish man. I'm like, okay. Maybe this is the best movie ever. It's starting with kid a oh

1239
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,560
It's gonna be as good as kid a then

1240
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:24,560
This is from a fun little emote that the person put as their name that looks like a pig

1241
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:31,200
I found this DVD at a thrift shop and thought it was about a pilot injured in an air battle or something

1242
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,200
But wow the women are beautiful

1243
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:40,040
Tom Cruise completely bodies his role and Vanilla sky touches on four movies worth of themes and ask some nice questions

1244
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:46,800
The film is easy to follow at first then completely changes the style up. There was something weird in the middle of the movie

1245
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:48,800
Where it felt like it could have ended at any time

1246
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:54,880
Beautiful ending that could have been more implicit, but if it were dumb ass me probably wouldn't understand what happened

1247
01:23:55,520 --> 01:24:01,000
What an ethereal experience? I like how this person is like. I'm glad they explained it for me

1248
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,000
I'm so glad I got an explanation

1249
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,000
I needed it

1250
01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:12,360
Do one you guys catch the Ebert roper review no

1251
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:20,320
They're pretty jazz I wish I it's like a one-minute clip on YouTube, but it's like they're

1252
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:29,120
At the movies it's it's a pretty good excerpt they actually were fond of it. It's interesting to hear. Oh, yeah, I bet I love

1253
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,120
Ebert and Robert

1254
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,520
Yeah, let me see if I can find it here. I think I think this is a

1255
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,520
Little three-minute one we can you can take a look at you

1256
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,000
See what they have to say

1257
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,320
Especially at this time like and and

1258
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:57,080
Whenever I would get lucky enough to to catch him I was always so happy helps you like learn how to watch movies these guys

1259
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,080
Yeah

1260
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:16,400
Manhattan traffic is a nightmare, but absolutely no traffic is more of a nightmare for Tom Cruise in vanilla sky

1261
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:21,720
It's one of six big holiday movies will review this week. I'm Richard roper and I'm Roger Ebert

1262
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:28,040
But Ella sky is one of those mind game thrillers where neither the audience nor the characters can be quite sure what constitutes reality

1263
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:33,480
The movie sensational opening shot in a deserted Times Square is only a dream

1264
01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:37,880
But what else is not what it is an amazing shot on cruise stars as a wiskett public

1265
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:43,080
You know CG they just having an affair with Cameron Diaz when he falls in love at first sight with Penelope cruise

1266
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:45,440
She's with his best friend

1267
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:51,720
What are friends as he was his intercut with a deep in a little talk about their opinion calls into question cruise

1268
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:58,400
Cameron crow based on the Alejandro a minnow bar Spanish film named open your eyes and also start Penelope cruise

1269
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,400
And let me just ask one question

1270
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:05,800
Is there something about the first three words of an Ella sky that calls into question?

1271
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:11,320
Every single other thing that happens in the entire film listen carefully and decide for yourself

1272
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:18,160
Yeah, you're right. You have to start paying attention really from the start and there are some other clues throughout this movie images on television screens

1273
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,920
And it all it all comes together beautifully. This is spectacular film

1274
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:26,720
I saw the original and that's sort of like the acoustic version and this is the full orchestrated version

1275
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:28,720
But Cameron crow does a wonderful job

1276
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:34,240
Very lacing this all together and you're so right about how the characters stay true to the moments they're in so we're not really

1277
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:37,120
Sure, what's going on all the way through I found it to be fascinating

1278
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:42,000
It's kind of a footnote for Tom Cruise to I'd shut the Stanley Kubrick picture and it involves a mask

1279
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:50,320
It involves infidelities and involves mystery about exactly what reality consists of but it's it's more in the tradition

1280
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,320
I think of movies like

1281
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,360
Mahal and Drive where you really have to

1282
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:59,720
Think back after you figure out what happened a lot of the best movies we've seen this year play around with dreams

1283
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,240
And what's real and what's not mentioned waking life is another one obviously

1284
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:05,240
Obviously

1285
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,520
The biggest movie star in the world you got to give him

1286
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:13,800
Like Magnolia and eyes wide shot not just the mission impossible which he does as well and makes the big money

1287
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:17,920
But to do you know to put his power behind a movie like this to get people to see early in his career

1288
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,320
He knew that there was a danger

1289
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:24,640
He would just be a matinee idol and so he started right away doing pictures like born on the 4th of July and he continues

1290
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:28,080
To look for these challenges to get nominated here and several other people should as well

1291
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:29,640
Wow

1292
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:30,920
Wow

1293
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:34,440
Damn best movie ever well

1294
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,200
Well

1295
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,120
Let's get into

1296
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,120
On par with Mahal and Drive

1297
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:50,000
Yeah, not at all you can absolutely tell like it's I know there's plenty of times and like this is what it's wants to be is

1298
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:56,600
Is that for sure? It's the most yeah, it's oh, let's you let's get into this gentleman. Okay, we

1299
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:00,520
Will give it a yeah our guest the first go

1300
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,800
But if you would like to go at any order feel free to let us know

1301
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:09,760
What you're doing is you're giving a summation on how you feel about the movie and then you're assigning it

1302
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,480
One out of a hundred like rotten tomatoes typically anything

1303
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:20,680
What is it's above like 62 or 63% as fresh 60% is fresh on Ron tomatoes if you want to go by that metric

1304
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:25,800
But you can yeah, it's a 60 and how they how they they have this weird like certified fresh thing

1305
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:30,560
I still don't understand how low the bar is for that because I feel like we found like a 70 something percent that was

1306
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,920
I certified fresh so I don't know

1307
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,280
We're supposed to be experts, but

1308
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,240
But yeah, if you want to go first feel free

1309
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:42,880
I'll go first. I mean, I don't have a whole lot to say other than it's close to fresh for me

1310
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:49,840
Like if I'm gonna go 58% isn't that that's probably where it floats around 57. I'll say 57

1311
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,360
but I

1312
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:54,640
think the movie

1313
01:28:54,640 --> 01:29:00,760
Sparks more conversation than it actually like it. I don't know what the movie tells you isn't much but

1314
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:04,800
Discussing it brings up a lot. I think it's just an interesting time

1315
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,560
especially for 2001

1316
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:14,440
Why 2k era I'm always fascinated by films that come out during that time like go and other movies like that but

1317
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:19,640
Yeah, I just didn't resonate with me personally

1318
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:24,160
I'm yeah, I'll let you guys pick it up

1319
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,720
Go for Brandon

1320
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:32,560
Nice orange beanie by the way, I just noticed that we got similar orange beanies today. Oh

1321
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,320
This movie, okay

1322
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,720
This movie thinks it's smarter than it is it's

1323
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:51,240
Ends of not being that enjoyable of it an experience overall because of certain make a plot points

1324
01:29:51,480 --> 01:29:54,000
But also the dialogue is really grading

1325
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,800
There are at times interesting

1326
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:07,120
Concepts and ideas in this movie, but I don't think they're executed very well and that's because mainly yeah

1327
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:11,680
I mean, I don't know the movie tells us about certain things of this world that don't make sense

1328
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,680
So I don't know I can't really get on board

1329
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,960
With it to buy and large

1330
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:24,520
So yeah, how do I feel about this movie? I would say that this movie is okay

1331
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:30,960
I did like some of the performances a bit. I really think Penelope Cruz is really fantastic. I was excited by

1332
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,880
Kurt Russell

1333
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,000
Yeah, I don't know till the Swinton

1334
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:39,280
Yeah, anyways, there's some good performances in this

1335
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:47,040
And yeah to Weston to your point of like I think Tom Cruise in particular in his performances really warrant conversations

1336
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,560
because I think he

1337
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,160
Almost by accident is an

1338
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:57,000
Accident because he's so purposeful and his career and that's what he's all about

1339
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:03,960
We've talked in Ignosium about this idea that he is just such a like how do I be the biggest movie star on the planet?

1340
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,800
And it really that narcissism or that ego

1341
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,800
I

1342
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:13,360
Don't know rears its head. Anyways warrants discussion. I'm gonna go

1343
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:17,680
40% I'm gonna go solid 40

1344
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:20,920
Well put yeah, I

1345
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:24,560
Thought this movie was overall frustrating

1346
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:30,720
Part of the reason too was because I was looking into it as a as a possible

1347
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,400
I really do like this movie and I

1348
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:40,800
I'm excited to watch it again because I don't remember a lot of it and I now I see why I don't remember a lot of it

1349
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,800
There's nothing really to latch on to for me

1350
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:48,080
the main character is unlikeable and someone that I'm not really rooting for a lot of times and

1351
01:31:49,480 --> 01:31:51,480
What happens with the twist ends up

1352
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:56,880
Making me question the whole movie in a bad way not in the way that they think is gonna be like

1353
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:00,120
Oh, you're gonna rethink it and like it's gonna be satisfying to see this twist

1354
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:08,520
It just made me more frustrated that it wasn't cons the plot wasn't structured in a way to allow that twist to

1355
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:14,280
Develop in a satisfying way. It was more just like they pulled the world rug out from under you and explain everything real quick

1356
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,280
And then kick you out the door

1357
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:20,760
but the implications for him were not good for for me and

1358
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:25,820
Yeah, that I don't know I was thinking about when that dream started thing and like

1359
01:32:25,820 --> 01:32:31,820
All that logic kind of was thrown me for a loop and I know I shouldn't get so nitpicky about something that's

1360
01:32:33,540 --> 01:32:37,420
Because the reason I do that is because it tried so hard to explain itself at the end

1361
01:32:37,420 --> 01:32:41,780
If it didn't do that and if it did want to be more surrealistic and not try to explain itself

1362
01:32:41,780 --> 01:32:43,100
Then I would give it benefit of the doubt

1363
01:32:43,100 --> 01:32:49,620
But it's forcing me to try to think through its logic which is convoluted and reverse engineered and

1364
01:32:50,340 --> 01:32:52,340
not a fun way

1365
01:32:52,340 --> 01:32:57,380
Well cast and performances are good even you know even from like Tom Cruise and Camindillas

1366
01:32:57,380 --> 01:33:04,380
I'm trying to go on this new like as I said turn a new leaf with Camindillas and there was part of her performances like that I enjoyed as

1367
01:33:06,500 --> 01:33:08,500
You know being an intensely

1368
01:33:09,540 --> 01:33:12,220
like her her love is intense and her

1369
01:33:12,940 --> 01:33:15,500
Happiness is intense sort of thing which I kind of is

1370
01:33:16,220 --> 01:33:21,500
Almost kind of how I feel about her is like she's a lot and that comes across as like kind of phony and for that

1371
01:33:21,500 --> 01:33:24,740
the movies die like language and almost kind of

1372
01:33:25,740 --> 01:33:27,540
supports that but

1373
01:33:27,540 --> 01:33:29,540
Overall frustrating experience. I would not

1374
01:33:30,100 --> 01:33:37,060
Recommend and I would probably not watch again. I'm gonna go and but yeah, okay, so a couple positives

1375
01:33:37,060 --> 01:33:41,220
I guess yeah, like good, you know, yeah the good music. There's like stylistic elements that

1376
01:33:42,820 --> 01:33:46,740
Occasionally get me excited and performances and

1377
01:33:46,740 --> 01:33:51,380
There's the structure and and the bones of the plot is weird

1378
01:33:51,820 --> 01:33:58,300
Which makes it like campy enough in a way where you can kind of like laugh at it as opposed to with it

1379
01:33:58,660 --> 01:34:03,220
But then it ends up to go back to the negative just ends up getting too fucking dark and depressing at the end

1380
01:34:03,220 --> 01:34:05,100
It just is a bummer

1381
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:09,740
So I'll do 42. I think is that's kind of where where I was at

1382
01:34:09,740 --> 01:34:16,100
Um for brandy and you started so I'm kind of right there with with him, but say I'd say 40s because there's enough

1383
01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:18,500
Artistry there and you can tell this is a director

1384
01:34:18,500 --> 01:34:24,140
That's just kind of like doing whatever the fuck they want and same with Tom Cruise and what ends up happening

1385
01:34:24,140 --> 01:34:27,740
Some of it sticks to the wall and a lot of it doesn't but some of it

1386
01:34:28,340 --> 01:34:30,340
Some of it

1387
01:34:30,860 --> 01:34:36,620
At this point I came up with a new game if you guys care to play a little

1388
01:34:36,620 --> 01:34:39,740
Fun movie game. I hope it's fun games

1389
01:34:40,340 --> 01:34:45,580
This one. I don't know what the name of it is. It's a guess that rank guess that rank

1390
01:34:45,580 --> 01:34:47,900
Guess that rank on okay?

1391
01:34:48,260 --> 01:34:56,300
Ranker this movie vanilla sky is represented in one two three four five six seven eight different lists

1392
01:34:56,700 --> 01:34:58,860
On ranker in terms of movies

1393
01:34:59,340 --> 01:35:04,260
So I'm gonna give you a category of one of these lists and it's up to you to guess what

1394
01:35:04,260 --> 01:35:08,700
Rank is on that list and I will tell you how many is on the range so

1395
01:35:09,780 --> 01:35:11,780
Weston do you want to go first or second?

1396
01:35:12,340 --> 01:35:17,260
I'll go second and I'm gonna do prices right rules as well. So you cannot go over

1397
01:35:18,580 --> 01:35:23,460
So best movies of 2001 that's the first category out of

1398
01:35:24,180 --> 01:35:29,300
113 Brandon what does vanilla sky rank on the best movies of 2001 list?

1399
01:35:29,300 --> 01:35:33,100
Uh 37 37

1400
01:35:34,540 --> 01:35:36,540
Weston what do you say?

1401
01:35:37,820 --> 01:35:39,340
46

1402
01:35:39,340 --> 01:35:45,900
46 you are closer. It is a 59 out of 113 of the movies of 2001

1403
01:35:46,700 --> 01:35:49,340
So you get one point for Weston

1404
01:35:50,380 --> 01:35:56,740
So you're gonna be going first on this next one the next category of list is out of 69 movies

1405
01:35:56,740 --> 01:36:04,660
What does this one rank as the most confusing movies ever made is the category out of 69?

1406
01:36:04,660 --> 01:36:08,860
Which does this rank one being the most confusing 69 being the least?

1407
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,100
I'm gonna go

1408
01:36:13,900 --> 01:36:15,900
12 12

1409
01:36:17,820 --> 01:36:19,820
I'm gonna go 21

1410
01:36:20,540 --> 01:36:23,740
21 it is 14 so Brandon you went over

1411
01:36:23,740 --> 01:36:31,420
Over Weston you are very close with that you are too off from the 14 of the most confusing movies ever made

1412
01:36:31,420 --> 01:36:35,460
So you get another point that a win that's a win for Weston to

1413
01:36:36,300 --> 01:36:40,740
And to zero Brandon and then we go back to Brandon here for the next category

1414
01:36:41,660 --> 01:36:43,660
out of 130 movies

1415
01:36:44,100 --> 01:36:50,220
Which is the ranking for this movie on the 100 plus best movies for date night?

1416
01:36:50,220 --> 01:36:57,620
Which is a terrible idea do not put this movie on for date night, but out of 130 movies. What is this one rank?

1417
01:37:00,540 --> 01:37:03,380
75 75 okay

1418
01:37:05,620 --> 01:37:07,620
Weston to you

1419
01:37:08,140 --> 01:37:12,060
Out of how many a hundred and 130 date night movies

1420
01:37:12,060 --> 01:37:16,060
60 60

1421
01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:20,060
Brandon's gonna take this one is 124 out of 130

1422
01:37:20,060 --> 01:37:23,060
It's the bottom of the barrel for that list

1423
01:37:23,060 --> 01:37:25,060
Oh good

1424
01:37:25,060 --> 01:37:32,060
So I'm surprised it's even on there. Let's let's move it along. I believe Weston you're starting on this one, right?

1425
01:37:32,060 --> 01:37:35,060
This list is

1426
01:37:36,060 --> 01:37:41,060
The most utterly depressing movies ever made and they are the most confusing movies ever made

1427
01:37:41,060 --> 01:37:43,060
And there's 133 of them

1428
01:37:43,060 --> 01:37:50,060
What does this movie rank on the most utterly depressing movies ever made this I can get on board with and I love how they're both right next to each other

1429
01:37:50,060 --> 01:37:52,060
date night and

1430
01:37:53,060 --> 01:37:55,060
You could kill yourself twice to it

1431
01:37:56,060 --> 01:38:00,060
Ever made ever made out of 133

1432
01:38:01,060 --> 01:38:03,060
There's a picture of I think the road on the front of it

1433
01:38:04,060 --> 01:38:09,060
Oh, yeah, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna say 30. Let's go 30

1434
01:38:09,060 --> 01:38:11,060
All right

1435
01:38:11,060 --> 01:38:14,060
I'm gonna go 25 25

1436
01:38:14,060 --> 01:38:21,060
It is 108 so Weston you are a bit closer there is near the

1437
01:38:21,060 --> 01:38:23,060
Closer near the bottom there

1438
01:38:23,060 --> 01:38:27,060
Let's see here. So we got three Weston one to Brandon

1439
01:38:29,060 --> 01:38:31,060
You guys want to go a little bit a little bit further here

1440
01:38:33,060 --> 01:38:34,060
I'm down

1441
01:38:34,060 --> 01:38:35,060
Let's do it

1442
01:38:35,060 --> 01:38:44,060
We got a couple more categories to Brandon correct. We're at your next yep. All right 200 plus best film scores of all time out of 228

1443
01:38:44,060 --> 01:38:48,060
What is this one rank 228 this is gonna rank

1444
01:38:49,060 --> 01:38:51,060
123

1445
01:38:51,060 --> 01:38:53,060
123

1446
01:38:53,060 --> 01:39:00,060
What do you say Weston out of the 228 best film scores of all time? Where does this rank?

1447
01:39:00,060 --> 01:39:04,060
I can I don't even remember an original score. I just remember the song

1448
01:39:04,060 --> 01:39:07,060
Yeah, it's just a sound yeah

1449
01:39:08,060 --> 01:39:10,060
200

1450
01:39:10,060 --> 01:39:12,060
200 you are closer it is 225

1451
01:39:15,060 --> 01:39:17,060
You're running away with it

1452
01:39:17,060 --> 01:39:24,060
So it is it is four to one. We'll just play this out just to get these other lists categories out there just so we know

1453
01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:27,060
Let's go with the worst movie remakes ever

1454
01:39:27,060 --> 01:39:32,060
This goes to you Weston out of one right Weston or Brandon yep. Yeah

1455
01:39:33,060 --> 01:39:37,060
Out of 151. What is this rank as on the worst movie remakes ever?

1456
01:39:42,060 --> 01:39:45,060
There's a picture of fantastic

1457
01:39:45,060 --> 01:39:47,060
This is the

1458
01:39:47,060 --> 01:39:52,060
11th worst movie remake ever 11th worst movie remake ever. Okay Brandon. What do you what say you?

1459
01:39:52,060 --> 01:39:56,060
20 20 Brandon takes it

1460
01:39:56,060 --> 01:39:58,060
It is 97

1461
01:39:58,060 --> 01:40:00,060
So we're at four to two

1462
01:40:00,060 --> 01:40:02,060
I think

1463
01:40:03,060 --> 01:40:09,060
Brandon you could tie it which would just be a nice little fun thing. Otherwise Weston might be running away with that on these last two categories

1464
01:40:09,060 --> 01:40:14,060
Okay, what is it ranked on the 20 bad sci-fi movies that are actually good

1465
01:40:15,060 --> 01:40:17,060
Whoa, uh-oh

1466
01:40:17,060 --> 01:40:19,060
20 bad sci-fi movies

1467
01:40:19,060 --> 01:40:22,060
That are actually good. Where does vanilla sky come in that?

1468
01:40:22,060 --> 01:40:24,060
So picture a trauma legacy on there

1469
01:40:31,060 --> 01:40:34,060
Believe it's 20 bad side movies that are actually good

1470
01:40:35,060 --> 01:40:37,060
Yes

1471
01:40:37,060 --> 01:40:39,060
19

1472
01:40:39,060 --> 01:40:41,060
19

1473
01:40:41,060 --> 01:40:43,060
Fuck all right Brandon

1474
01:40:43,060 --> 01:40:45,060
I'm gonna go 20 20 fuck you guys

1475
01:40:45,060 --> 01:40:50,060
Are so close but West Weston you hit it directly on 18. It was 19. Oh

1476
01:40:51,060 --> 01:40:55,060
You got exactly exactly right. So I mean you're you won it's over

1477
01:40:55,060 --> 01:40:58,060
But just for the hell of it. We'll do this last category

1478
01:40:59,060 --> 01:41:03,060
40 best Tom Cruise movies ranked by fans out of 44

1479
01:41:03,060 --> 01:41:05,060
Where does this one come in?

1480
01:41:05,060 --> 01:41:07,060
Oh, this is the one okay

1481
01:41:08,060 --> 01:41:10,060
This comes in add

1482
01:41:10,060 --> 01:41:14,060
36 36

1483
01:41:18,060 --> 01:41:21,060
To you Weston out of 44

1484
01:41:26,060 --> 01:41:28,060
Let's go

1485
01:41:28,060 --> 01:41:35,060
Shit 40 40 it is 37 Brandon you got that last one congratulations and you're very close with it

1486
01:41:35,060 --> 01:41:41,060
So I believe it was a five to three, but I would probably give you two points for that get it nail in the head. So

1487
01:41:42,060 --> 01:41:45,060
Wow sick so good game. I hope it was fun

1488
01:41:45,060 --> 01:41:48,060
Maybe maybe we'll make it make another appearance later

1489
01:41:48,060 --> 01:41:52,060
I'm trying to work on game crafting and it's it's been I love it fun

1490
01:41:52,060 --> 01:41:56,060
The subject and I think let's get Weston here's

1491
01:41:56,060 --> 01:42:02,060
Yeah, movie nerd like us. So it makes it makes it nice when you're so knowledgeable wasn't even a wonderful guy

1492
01:42:02,060 --> 01:42:07,060
We appreciate it so much when we can get another opinion here and this movie if anything fostered a

1493
01:42:08,060 --> 01:42:13,060
An interesting discussion and one that was that was worthwhile and yeah, I can't wait to have you back man

1494
01:42:13,060 --> 01:42:16,060
Is there anything else that you that you feel like you didn't get a chance to say?

1495
01:42:18,060 --> 01:42:24,060
Just really grateful that you guys had me on it was a lot of fun. I love your guys's banter

1496
01:42:24,060 --> 01:42:27,060
I'm a fan of your pod now listen a couple episodes of the show

1497
01:42:27,060 --> 01:42:32,060
Thanks, man. Appreciate that. That's great, man. Thanks for having me out and I'd love to be back on

1498
01:42:32,060 --> 01:42:36,060
Absolutely sure who you guys take turns like every week

1499
01:42:37,060 --> 01:42:45,060
You guys hand off the the picks like who chose this one was it Brandon? It's pretty organic. This one we were trying to think of

1500
01:42:46,060 --> 01:42:51,060
A movie for you and it was this one or what was the other one which is actually the same one that we had

1501
01:42:51,060 --> 01:43:00,060
A movie for you and it was this one or what was the other one which is actually this will be a nice time for the reveal for next week because we had another one

1502
01:43:00,060 --> 01:43:02,060
What was it? It was um

1503
01:43:04,060 --> 01:43:10,060
Doors did you say the doors? That's right. It was the doors or this and you're very knowledgeable of music as well

1504
01:43:10,060 --> 01:43:15,060
So we thought that might be interesting but one would have been easier for me. I feel like for this I

1505
01:43:15,060 --> 01:43:21,060
It was hard for me to just add to and actually have something to say about this film but

1506
01:43:22,060 --> 01:43:24,060
Not at all. I had a lot of fun though so

1507
01:43:24,060 --> 01:43:33,060
That's all that matters and yeah it's weird not I don't know I'm a dummy and what I what I say doesn't mean anything like this is just

1508
01:43:33,060 --> 01:43:42,060
An excuse to hang out and shoot the shit with about movies and really your presence was a welcome addition and

1509
01:43:42,060 --> 01:43:50,060
Any other different type of movie that you would want to watch in the future we can we can definitely do the doors for you next and then me and Brandon can

1510
01:43:50,060 --> 01:43:57,060
Work on deciding a different movie for next week that we can reveal at a different time. Yeah, Brandon or do we have one that we want to do?

1511
01:43:57,060 --> 01:44:04,060
We do the doors. Yeah, we can do the doors. I was just wondering if we should save it for Weston but we can we just do the doors

1512
01:44:04,060 --> 01:44:10,060
We can do the doors. We can find another good one for Weston. We're doing the doors next week folks

1513
01:44:10,060 --> 01:44:16,060
Can you believe that you're right in the process you're you're over stone man. Yeah

1514
01:44:16,060 --> 01:44:18,060
You guys are you guys JFT fans?

1515
01:44:18,060 --> 01:44:27,060
Born on the 4th of July was brought up earlier. I actually haven't seen JFT okay I need to see it. Oh man do yourselves a favor. Is that a big one?

1516
01:44:27,060 --> 01:44:38,060
Yeah. That was one movie that I just what why the hell would I ever want to watch that. That's a huge discovery for me of like I think last year

1517
01:44:38,060 --> 01:44:49,060
Took me by complete surprise super engrossing film really good great editing. Yeah, it's it's really really well okay

1518
01:44:49,060 --> 01:44:59,060
That was that's one that's been a myra. I think that might that might actually fall under your guys's criteria of being a polarizing film.

1519
01:44:59,060 --> 01:45:19,060
Maybe you guys can do that on for the doors it's a 56% critics is 79% audience by the way let's take a look at JFK here. That is overall positive and 84% critics and an 88% audience seems like people like it

1520
01:45:19,060 --> 01:45:38,060
but for a three hour nine minute historical drama Oliver Stone. It's yeah that's that's one that's been on my list and I and I definitely got to check it out. Maybe I can fit that in as well leading up to the doors and I have actually never seen the doors either so this will be interesting.

1521
01:45:38,060 --> 01:45:54,060
That's another one that I don't know how I've never never seen it but fan of the doors and fan of the all camera and fan of Oliver Stone so let's see a Kyle McLaughlin fan. Absolutely. Oh is he in this movie. All right, get ready.

1522
01:45:54,060 --> 01:46:07,060
He's in this movie. Hell yeah. Yeah, he plays he plays Raymond Zarek. Oh my God. Cool. Okay. Wow. Kevin Dylan, Meg Ryan, Frank Whaley, Michael Madsen.

1523
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:11,060
What a what a time. What a place.

1524
01:46:11,060 --> 01:46:27,060
Chris McGlover plays Andy Warhol. Billy Idol is in it. We will be here discussing it next time we hope you guys join us for that. You can join us live on twitch.tv slash polarized pod.

1525
01:46:27,060 --> 01:46:38,060
You can send us a line at gmail.com slash polarized the pod rate review subscribe on definitely do that Apple podcast pretty please.

1526
01:46:38,060 --> 01:46:47,060
We appreciate the love we and we love you all back Brandon is there anything else. No love everybody out there. Love you guys. That was great.

1527
01:46:47,060 --> 01:46:51,060
Hell yeah. We'll see you next time. Bye bye.

1528
01:46:51,060 --> 01:46:58,060
Hi y'all.

1529
01:46:58,060 --> 01:47:20,060
And please make sure you listen to no where land Weston and Corey's amazing band. Check them out on Spotify and we love you all and we'll see you next time.

1530
01:47:20,060 --> 01:47:28,060
We got a show in San Diego. If you're around at the Ken Club March 14 next Thursday it's five bucks.

1531
01:47:28,060 --> 01:47:33,060
Anyone wants to come by it's going to be rad. Great job. So here's over it.

1532
01:47:33,060 --> 01:47:46,060
Please do check them out. They are a fucking amazing live act and they continue to get better and better and Western on the drums is something to see.

1533
01:47:46,060 --> 01:47:51,060
He is a master. I will see you guys next time. Bye.

1534
01:47:51,060 --> 01:48:20,060
Bye.