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Welcome, everybody, to the Polarize podcast.

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This is a movie podcast about polarizing movies, polarizing movies

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in the sense of rotten tomato scores.

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We cover movies on this pod that are loved by audiences,

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hated by critics or vice versa.

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These are the movies that we cover here.

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And today we are talking about a pillar in the sci-fi community.

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We in prep for the release of the newer version that is soon to be out.

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Today we are covering Dune, 1984's Dune, mind you.

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And the scores here for everybody is 37% audience or critics and 65% audience.

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Now, this isn't just a one man show.

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So you're not going to only be hearing my voice this whole time.

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We got a lot to cover on this epic.

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So I'm going to go, I'm going to cut out, you know, maybe a little fun.

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I don't know, a little fun solo banter stuff, not banter, but solo monologue.

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You stuff.

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And we're going to get into it and introduce my co-host.

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We also refer to him as the forever guest.

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Mr. James Lindsay.

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How's it going?

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Hello.

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I'm back yet again on the icy cold planet of the Polarize pod.

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Yes, the opposite of Arrakis, it sounds like.

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Where I'm friend to both Brandini and other kind of kind of the leotkines.

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Occasionally, I don't know.

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Maybe you could, maybe you could say that.

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A CYTO Max von CYTO.

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Yes.

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Yes, we could.

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I'll take that one.

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Yeah, you got a lot of CYTO energy.

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I got CYTO energy, you say.

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If you were to be one Dune character, we did the name quiz earlier.

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That was pretty fun.

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I wonder what other like Dune stuff they have out there.

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Like they should have like the Hogwarts thing like, oh, are you a Harkinin?

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Are you a treatise?

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Like I don't want to be a Harkinin.

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No, that's no one wants to be a Harkinin.

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Or you a Tleylax or I never know how to pronounce those guys.

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The Mentat guys.

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Are you a grasshopper man that is a knows how to travel through space and time.

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But you have to be kept in a big tank.

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Yeah, I don't know if I want that.

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I don't, I don't.

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Yeah, I don't.

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Maybe that's why the Hogwarts the Hogwarts quiz doesn't work out as as well

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because there's a lot of those things you want to like get out.

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A treatise.

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A treatise.

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A treatise.

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There's yeah, there's a clear part of the the Emperor's crew, I guess them.

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That's that has a lot of pull.

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For a bit.

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There's a how many houses are there and do excellent question.

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I don't know.

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I'm sure there's countless when you really get into the nitty gritty, but

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there's got to be like the.

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I feel like there's probably six, maybe even nine.

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I feel like there's quite a bit, right?

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Yeah, I mean, the ones that are there's like the main ones that are mentioned

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and makes sense because it's all has to do with the production of spice, which

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is what the story is about and what is so important in this.

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Lauren in this universe, but yeah, and even even like I have to remind myself

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and it's mentioned in the book and I'm not any sort of expert on the book by any

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means, but I love her.

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It's not experts here.

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Lovers, not experts.

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Yeah, but like in this, it is technically in the far, far future of our universe,

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which explains Duncan Idaho.

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You're not going to have a guy named a Duncan Idaho.

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If you not silly name, no, it's such a silly name, but then like there's

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moments where they're like, Oh, have you heard of this place called Earth?

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That's where like our kind were like originally from and we, you know, bowl

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bowl fighting and all that stuff was, was a thing.

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in a little bit more alluded to in the Villeneuve one where there's, you

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know, the bowl is like the, yeah, the basket.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Cause it's on the insignia and all that, all the good stuff because Duke

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Lido's grandfather died from a bullfight or his father.

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That's where the nitty gra, lovers, not experts, but one of them was a

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bullfighter right?

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I'd from it.

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And I feel like that might be like all the way back to like Earth.

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I'm trying to remember exactly cause like who's really fighting bulls in

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this, in this right?

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We, yeah, maybe that is just such an honor tradition that goes so far,

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Um, and that's like the beauty of like a good sci-fi story is one that has

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so much backstory going in that you're already very curious for it by everyone's

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reactions and dynamics and personalities and relationships with each other going

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in the door that you gleaning those things from the story as it goes along

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can be a blast.

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If you love lore and you love how they, someone like builds it out and you're

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like, Oh, what's this person about?

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Oh, you're going to get a little bit.

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I'm going to get some later.

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I'm sure I'm curious how they're going to come back very much like the

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Game of Thrones thing or whatever.

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But with this one where it just like is trying so hard to like face on screen.

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Show me what you got.

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It's like trying to tell you exactly what everything is right off the

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bat and already just coming across so desperate for you to understand the

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material before anything has even shown to you.

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It's already like, I'm, I don't know.

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It's like going into, and this is, this is by all means like a much more

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complicated than a board game or something, but like, Hey, maybe there's

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board games where it's like, you know what, before we barrel into the

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instructions, maybe let's just like play a play a little bit, which most people

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are on that wavelength.

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See where we hit an impasse and then consult the rules and then could play

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a little bit more and you know, and kind of go instead of just like in a date

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you with all this information that's not going to register when you finally

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start to see some stuff.

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And with some bad narration and some bad introduction to the sci-fi stories

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in this lore, I think that that's a fair place to start for me because I

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think you see the writing on the wall from the beginning of this movie and

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how much it's trying to tell you all these things rather than show you

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and really there's a lot of things to see that are interesting as well.

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And it's a shame because it just is so desperate for you to get into the hard

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text of it instead of having it displayed in a way that's like you get

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it enough to be interested, but not overwhelmed.

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And it's one of the main differences, I would say between the new ones and

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this one is the need to the lack of confidence that audiences will not

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understand the at a base level of this story, the plot of this movie.

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If they don't understand a lot of the intricacies of the world and the new

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one has faith that people will.

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If they want to know more, they can go watch a lore video on YouTube, but.

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The new one is all about telling a very simple story that it doesn't feel

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the need to explain a bunch of things because it is pretty simply plotted.

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but you're always grounded to a very tried and true narrative that

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everybody's familiar familiar with.

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In the audience is so indicative of like.

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The fact that there's over explanation in this one and that there's none in

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the new one is so indicative of the time.

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Because I think it's weird to say that, but I think it still holds true

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because there's also this looming thing of like, well, Star Wars has

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already come out and people by and large got that and there's a bunch of

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stuff going on.

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They had a bunch of crawling texts at the beginning of that.

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We'll just put someone's face on the front.

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That'll be the same.

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Sure, but like the.

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The scroll in the beginning of the Star Wars movies explains.

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It doesn't over explain.

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It just kind of tells you exactly what.

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You need to in a way.

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It's again, I think it just has confidence that the audience is going

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to understand the basic narrative and you know, and they did and people

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love it and then people go and seek out all the lore outside of that even

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back in the day when those came out.

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They were everybody was hungry to understand more about the world.

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You know, yada, yada, but I mean.

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More casual movie viewer.

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Can easily understand the plot.

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In the conflict in Star Wars, like it's, you know, there's a bad guy.

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There's a good guy and then you need to beat the bad guy.

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dude is a tough one to be able to not only make a film about or a story

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about, but just one film is almost impossible to try to make it good.

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explain itself.

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Is the main detriment already getting into those sides of it, but that

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comes into the latter, latter portion of the movie for me.

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between all these lengthy exposition notes.

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There is a fair amount of text that is.

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Pulled straight from the book and appears both in this movie and then

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a new movie as well. And that was really fun to see because I.

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Watched the most recent one.

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I, you know, I hope it's okay that we're comparing them so much because

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it's just it's coming around the same time.

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Yeah, I mean, that's kind of the reason why we're doing it now.

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We're all hyped up on the new tune.

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I'm sure it works and what doesn't.

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And yeah, you know, and then, yeah, like this, it's cool to see like the

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dialogue Frank Herbert, you know, the dialogue Frank Herbert, you know,

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dialogue Frank Herbert's the author of the, the, the story is words coming

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through in such a nice strong way.

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going to pull, but even like I should have married you and stuff like that.

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It's like something that's mumbled by Oscar Isaac.

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of how I should have married you.

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I should have married you and in the way that it's kind of played out at the

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at the beginning here and setting up the stage is for the most part similar.

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And it's cool to see that they took the time to put, take it straight from

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the text.

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adhere to that text so much so that it did not.

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It was not a tenable for the whole production and it ran dry near the end.

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I believe, but you know, there's, there's some, there's some Dino, Dino

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De La Rantis meddling, you know, of course, of course there and nothing

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contentious between the two of them or anything, but it did not work out near

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at the end, you know, and the way that it was edited was, was rough and not

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split into two parts.

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I'm rambling here, but it's just, it blows my mind.

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I'll make this last time.

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Let's talk about Dino and yeah, let's make this last point because I was

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thinking about this before recording too is like, man, like, and some of the

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behind the scenes stuff of why Dino and this lovely book Room to Dream by

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David Lynch and Chris Christine McKenna.

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Why he would not want it to have a sequel is so dumb to me because like if

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you're going to, if you're a producer and he seems like someone obviously wants,

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wants to make money and all that good stuff, but it's like you see Star Wars is

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about he David Lynch turned down Return of the Jedi, the third one already

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and he's turning down the third one and it works to have sequels.

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Motherfucker episode four now and then five and six.

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They got to go backwards after this.

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Fill it out, baby.

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Come on.

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Like that blew my mind.

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It's like you can make more move a lot if you stretch it like what's wrong with

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He's made and he's been successful on a lot of other ways.

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Obviously in a legendary figure in Hollywood, but it's legendary.

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Like one of the most legendary guys.

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And his daughter was integral and David Lynch speaks nothing but like so highly

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of his experience with them and his children and the family and working together

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and all that stuff.

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And they just didn't see eye to eye on the end product, but that contention is a

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polarizing feature that is in within all the people that are viewing the movie,

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but then also the people that are making the movie.

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So that's definitely worth seeing as well.

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This is like a contentious start to get this movie made.

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They're going to do a Joe Darafsky version with a bunch of HR Geiger shit.

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I highly recommend that documentary.

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If anyone, if you haven't, have you seen that movie that?

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Sorry, the documentary, Brandon?

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I haven't.

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I've heard about the HR Geiger stuff in relation to this movie because still

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suits and stuff still kind of.

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There are a fair amount of stuff that hold up and you know, we'll ultimately

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get into a bigger discussion like Geiger stuff.

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But the visuals in this movie, there's a lot.

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I really enjoy.

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I don't know if I appreciated when I first saw it because I feel like I first saw it

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a long time ago and it might have been on TV.

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And so this was kind of a I got reacquainted with this version again for this podcast.

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And there's a lot of stuff I enjoy about this movie.

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Big time.

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You know, because you everybody hears about this movie being like, oh, it's so shitty.

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Like everybody logs in and says like, oh, it's terrible.

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You know, it was a huge flop.

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Yada, yada, but there's some cool ass shit in this movie that I really enjoyed.

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Especially in like something that I appreciated for this one in comparison to the new one is

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there is a lot of crazy artistic choices in this.

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The new one is so grounded in reality, which is awesome.

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Like I do love that.

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Don't get me wrong.

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But like it's pretty fun to see some wacky ass costumes, like machines.

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Also to the miniature stuff in this, like a lot of miniatures loved a lot of minute,

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you know, a lot of that stuff.

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Big time.

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this kind of first beginning scene with all the all these people meeting with the giant

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grasshopper in the tank.

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Before we do that set.

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Oh my God.

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Before we do, I just want to talk about how weird it is that David Lynch directed this

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movie.

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I mean, it's insane.

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His experience on it.

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I can, I can, if you want to just talk a little bit about that, because like he met with and

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because this was after a racer head.

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This was after the elephant man.

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Elephant man is the big one.

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He was kind of hot shit after that.

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And it was so funny to one of our favorite podcasts as a friendship, Brandon and I is

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blank check in this room to dream book.

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It literally said blank check for like after David Lynch made, you know, the elephant man

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and what do you know was going to give him for elephant man.

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But what Dino told him for this movie was to, you know, he, well, he, he hated a race.

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He hated a racer head.

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He said, I want the, I want the director of the elephant man.

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I don't want the director of the right, which is bonkers to me is to, to find that the,

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the creator of the elephant man is going to be your creator, which actually was his daughter.

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I should be even more precise.

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It was Dino's daughter.

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It was like Raffaella or something, I believe something like that.

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And she was the one who brought David to Dino.

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And yeah, David was take like Dino's got to be a super charismatic dude.

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And, and, and, and, and loved, and they loved each other.

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It sounded like, and, and we're happy to work together, but to turn down return to the Jedi

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from George Lucas.

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And then, and then do this, I would imagine the reason that he did it because they seem

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similar like a sci-fi thing is like, yeah, I kind of wanted to make his own vision about

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it instead of trying to finish up, do a sequel to someone's already thing, already going

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thing.

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Cause what he told George Lucas and yeah, there's a clip of it.

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I can, I can show it as well, but he tells, you know, George Lucas, like this is your

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thing.

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You go direct it yourself.

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You know,

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After I think it's like watching that clip.

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Cause I think it's, I think it's pretty entertaining.

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What were you going to say?

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I was going to say, we'll see it in the clip.

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Yeah.

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And George Lucas foot directing style was return in the Jedi.

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I was asked by George to come up to see him and talk to him about directing, which would,

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would be the third Star Wars.

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And I had.

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I remember the name of this zero interest.

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I've never seen this.

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Does what he loves.

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And I do what I love.

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The difference is what George loves makes hundreds of billions of dollars.

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So I thought I should go up at least visit with him.

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And it was incredible.

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I had to go to this building in LA first and get a special credit card and I had to get

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a special keys and a letter came in a map.

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And then I went for the airport and I flew up and then they had a rental car.

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He's a rack and tour this guy.

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He's like, let me tell you the story.

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And I was to drive to this place.

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Getting a star.

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I came into an office and there was George.

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And he talked with me for a little bit and then he said, I want to show you something.

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Now right about in this time, I started getting a little bit of a headache.

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Just, you know what I'm talking about.

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You know what you're talking about.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This guy knows what I'm talking about.

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And he showed me things called wookiees.

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And now this headache is getting.

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It was like as he mourns Cassin's sitting there or something.

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He's like, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

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And different things.

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Then he took me for a ride in his Ferrari for lunch and George is.

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It's a Ramah.

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It's all about Ramah.

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And he was almost laying down.

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We were flying through this little town up in Northern California.

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We went to a restaurant, not that I don't like salad, but that's all they had was.

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Then I got a really almost like a migraine headache.

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And his book is really like this.

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It's pretty fantastic.

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I recommend it.

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And I even before I got home, I kind of crawled into a phone booth and phone my agent.

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I said, there's no way.

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I know no way I can do this.

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He said, David, David, David, David, calm down.

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You don't have to do it.

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No way.

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And so George blesses heart.

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I told him on the phone the next day that he should direct it.

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It's his film.

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He invented everything about it, but he doesn't really love directing.

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And so someone else did direct that film, but I did.

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I called my lawyer and told him that I wasn't going to do it.

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And he said, you just lost.

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I don't know how many millions of dollars, but it's okay.

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It's okay.

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Oh man.

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Because then we got, because then we got doing instead.

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Yeah.

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And we're better for it.

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And we get sick about it.

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I mean, I could only imagine David Lynch return of the Jedi.

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There's some other original movie that he was talking about making run.

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Run rocket, something like that.

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And then blue velvet, I think was starting to be in the works as far as

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is him writing it in the screenplay for blue velvet.

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I think he was starting to kind of work on the screenplay a bit.

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And I think he had brought it up with Dino, but I don't think Dino wanted

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the weird, weird stuff.

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And they were, yeah.

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And this was after, after doing, he was able to make blue velvet and he

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never wanted to do anything like this again.

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And he wanted to do weird something weird in his own thing.

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And that's why we were able to get blue velvet because had this been

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successful, I don't know, maybe he would have continued to do it.

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Who knows.

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But he cites in, it's telling all about Dune and all the awful

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experiences he had, which I can share some of those as well where

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he thinks the awful experience at least just so that it brought him to

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be able to do blue velvet.

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Yep.

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And that's, it was a video that I saw of him talking retrospectively about

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that process.

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It was really interesting because it feels like because the, because

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the experience was so terrible for him, it really like drove him hard

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into the opposite direction.

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And so that's, you know, it's almost like that.

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Yeah.

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It's, it lit a fire under him to be like, I never want to do this again.

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So I'm going to try to succeed as much as possible at doing the things

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that I do enjoy.

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And that's why, you know, blue velvet, I think really works.

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I think is really interesting movie.

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But I just want to you as Kyle McLaughlin and he was an unknown at

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that time before this movie and big search for casting Paul and they

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found him in Seattle and yeah, I never been in front of a camera before

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and he just talks about how he's kind of embarrassed watching the movie

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because he's so green in it.

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And yeah, he's, he's a young little baby Kyle, Kale as, as David calls him,

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Kale.

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There's a real tick tock that reached me where it was a video of Kyle.

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Like, I can't remember where in relation to if it was like during

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or after, but like really close to making do and he was just talking

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about how crazy of an experience it was to go from next to nothing to

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all of these meetings with all of these high powered individuals and

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how overwhelming it was.

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And you can just tell that this guy is like Kyle McLaughlin seems so cool.

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He seems like such a absolutely.

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Oh, yeah, that guy seems awesome.

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Yeah.

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I mean, Twin Peaks is just a performance that goes down in the books

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forever as far as like a just a personality of almost like the best

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at being a persona for David Lynch in a way in, in that, especially

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Twin Peaks.

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And I think having that parallel between the two just works so fucking

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well and to have that guy in your corner.

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And it almost reminds me of like the Sam Remy Bruce Campbell

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relationship or something to it.

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You got this like this 10 out of 10 actor or something that's willing

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to just give you a really good looking guy to give you everything.

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Yeah.

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Like, you know, totally kind of question a little bit like career could

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have been a little whatever.

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It's still a great career, but it's like, I mean, I would love to watch Bruce

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Campbell or Carl McLaughlin like in a lot, a lot of stuff, but they

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still had both great careers.

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I was going to say, yeah, I mean, I don't know being on Twin Peaks,

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it's a really good career.

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Kyle was on Kale was on Sex and the City, I believe.

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Pretty sure.

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Yeah. He was also in Portlandia. Super funny.

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Oh yeah. He's a mayor.

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He is such a funny follow on Tiktok.

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He just does silly stuff all the time where he yeah, he just tries

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to make trends on that are popular on Tiktok his own.

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And he's so funny about it, you know, because he's so not self serious

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and just I yeah, he just has such a like.

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He enjoys doing like enjoys acting enjoys the craft enjoys

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being creative and making things.

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And it's yeah, him and there's a ton of people in this movie that

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end up being in Twin Peaks regulars.

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Yeah.

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The guy who's still Gar is definitely in Twin Peaks.

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The even the little girl I shows up in Twin Alia, I believe is in

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Twin Peaks.

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She is. Yeah. You're right.

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Oh, that it's it's cool to know that David Lynch is the kind of

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person to forge those relationships.

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I feel like in it and he also is really great at using amateur

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actors in his films and projects, which is a big part of Twin Peaks

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and in various, you know, other other sort of stuff where he just

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his whole casting thing is just picking someone off of a headshot

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and doesn't really need to feel the need to audition them or hear

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them speak or move or anything.

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Just how they look just fills exactly what his vision and his mind is.

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No, no, you know, meaning anything to any of the actors in it.

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There is like that essentially comes helps come across as like the

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campiness comes across the surreal attitude comes across the

487
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camp.

488
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,600
There's definitely campiness in this movie.

489
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:35,600
It veers like wildly between nearing on Flash Gordon a little

490
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:41,600
bit and then, you know, going going back to Star Wars and then,

491
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,600
you know, with the with the Toto soundtrack and everything, it's

492
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,600
got a real flash Gordon like the last like whatever 40 minutes

493
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,600
and everything is like essentially like a big Flash Gordon battle.

494
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,600
However, in Flash Gordon, there is just such like a more joy to the

495
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,600
characters and what's what's going on and in Dune.

496
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,600
I don't know the the fight and everything at the end just.

497
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Yeah, it's not going for the same thing and it can't be as campy as

498
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,600
the one of the most campy movies of all time is this Flash Gordon.

499
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,600
And I'm not sure.

500
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,600
And I don't want it to be either.

501
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,600
It's just interesting how it goes between those two things because

502
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,600
it is like self serious and over explains itself too much.

503
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,600
And then in the second half, it's like, all right, let's wrap it up.

504
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,600
Yeah, right.

505
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,600
I mean, the back half of this movie is really the biggest problem

506
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,600
with them, right?

507
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,600
Yeah, absolutely.

508
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:46,600
I mean, that's and that's it's essentially where they were the

509
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,600
new movie ends is kind of where this one goes off the rails a little

510
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,600
bit is when he goes to meet with the Fremont.

511
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,600
And I like the fact that we're kind of just talking about swaths of

512
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,600
this movie.

513
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600
We can kind of go over notes later and everything because getting

514
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,600
into the nitty gritty of Dune like hard sci-fi.

515
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,600
I'm not sure it's like David David just take on it.

516
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,600
I think it's worthwhile and comparing them a little bit.

517
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,600
However, I was just the thing I took away a lot and I probably did

518
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,600
last time when I read the book and watch this movie.

519
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,600
But when I read the book, I was very fascinated by the Fremen.

520
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,600
They are these people that like you hear a lot about you get

521
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,600
Duncan Idaho going out there and then you he's like enamored with

522
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,600
them.

523
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,600
He he's he respects them.

524
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,600
He's he's a changed man.

525
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:34,600
He's completely different.

526
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:40,600
He's he's sharing the ways and you're just like and he's talking

527
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,600
about how many of them there are.

528
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,600
And that just gets your mind like twirling about like, man,

529
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,600
what's going on?

530
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:47,600
I really want to know.

531
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:54,600
And so you get there with this movie and it just immediately

532
00:30:54,600 --> 00:31:00,600
turns into instead of and I am first.

533
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,600
It already is happening in the villainy movie.

534
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,600
But in the second part, I'm sure it's going to be more of the case

535
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,600
too.

536
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:11,600
Instead of in this movie where we need to show you guys the

537
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,600
weirding way, we need to show you guys that I'm the chosen one

538
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,600
and then I'm going to lead the way and I'm going to be the hero

539
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,600
and we need to show you and teach you, you know, like primitive

540
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,600
people, like the ways of like what, you know, these sound like

541
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,600
the sound guns and all this shit.

542
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,600
And they're like so blown away by all this shit.

543
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,600
No, no, no, I was just so that that's what frustrated me so

544
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,600
much with this watch and what because it was completely

545
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,600
backwards to one of the things I like the most in the book,

546
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,600
which was finally coming into the frame and see short whatever

547
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,600
it is and getting to learn their ways.

548
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,600
Taking taking in the water of, you know, all the all the ancient

549
00:31:53,600 --> 00:32:00,600
water and then assimilating with them more so than having, you

550
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,600
know, yourselves be like, look at our cool powers and we're going

551
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,600
to show you how to do shit.

552
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,600
And then even like the writing, the worm and everything, I don't

553
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,600
know, it just, he just immediately knew how to do it and they

554
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,600
didn't show him how to do shit.

555
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,600
And he's just like, yeah, now I got it.

556
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,600
And I was like, man, this, this is where it's really a bummer

557
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,600
because it took so long to get here.

558
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,600
And now that he's here, he's like, I got it.

559
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,600
I got it. And he's just doing all this badass shit immediately.

560
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,600
Hero. And yeah, that's that's my whole spiel.

561
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:37,600
Yeah. So Frank Herbert is on record being like frustrated that

562
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:44,600
people are enamored with Paul and excite with Paul because not

563
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,600
here. I think because to your point, which makes false, false

564
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,600
I don't such a richer story, which is being accomplished very

565
00:32:52,600 --> 00:33:00,600
well in the new dunes is that Paul is a has to earn respect.

566
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,600
He has to ingratiate himself into such an interesting strong

567
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:12,600
culture that is being almost presented as is as a better

568
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,600
culture and system than these, you know, the psychology and

569
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,600
in this planet. Yeah, they know what they know what the fuck

570
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,600
they're they're doing. Yeah. Absolutely. And he also has to

571
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,600
fulfill these prophetic things that the Ben and just Zaryad

572
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,600
have put into the Fremen and everything. So he's he's has

573
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,600
there's a lot of pressure on him. He doesn't immediately just

574
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,600
like, yeah, I got it.

575
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:44,600
Right. And yes. And it he acts as the surrogate to explain that

576
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:50,600
if you are going to affect broader change, you have to learn

577
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:56,600
to you have you have to learn to respect these this culture

578
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,600
because if you don't, then no one is going to want to help you.

579
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:06,600
And so it's really like on you to come from a place of the

580
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,600
collective. Yeah, because it's all the the water is such a

581
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,600
collective source for everybody and and everything is so

582
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:21,600
communal there. Right. Or it's like the Fremen aren't their

583
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,600
goal as opposed to everybody else in the universe is money

584
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:32,600
and power. The Fremen are just so like self contained, not

585
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,600
looking like they're all they're doing is just protecting what

586
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:42,600
they have because they have to because that is the that they

587
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,600
are being oppressed, but it's not like they want to destroy

588
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,600
whoever's coming in or destroy the Harkin and or a tradies so

589
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,600
that they can then you know, usurp them and be more powerful.

590
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,600
It's like, no, we're just trying to protect ourselves. And

591
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,600
there was this really funny quote from and I think it was

592
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,600
from Frank Herbert talking about friends of his that he talked

593
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:13,600
to that were from the Middle East. And you know how they were

594
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,600
like, it's funny to us that people think that this is a sci fi

595
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,600
story because in our reality, we have been experiencing this

596
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,600
and it makes so much sense to see this analog and the story

597
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:31,600
and well, not on screen in this. Spices oil branded.

598
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,600
I mean, come on, right? It's like it's such a.

599
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,600
It's such a clear analogy on the tanium.

600
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,600
Exit right. Oh, my.

601
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,600
Spice is so much cooler than on a danium. And also, it's

602
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,600
places. Yeah, like, like as a pause on space, it's a cool,

603
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,600
cool substance that's like just vague enough to like work.

604
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,600
But then once you get into the explanation of it, it makes

605
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,600
a complete sense and thinking about how the guild space

606
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,600
navigators are like able to use it to tell the future and then

607
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,600
travel. If you hear my cat, she cries Johnny. It's a Luna

608
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,600
bringing me a. Oh, it's Luna. A little sweater string and she

609
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,600
cries and screams the whole way as she brings it to me. But

610
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,600
these grasshopper guild space navigators grasshopper guild

611
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:29,600
space navigators grasshopper guilds navigators.

612
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,600
They like so it's like, you know, light speed, but and so you

613
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,600
don't hit a planet or anything. They know the future and so

614
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,600
they can guide it through everything as as everything's

615
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,600
moving. And it's like just that's such a cool things. It's

616
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,600
like, oh, that's a weird silly. It's just like this dust that

617
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,600
must tell you tell the future. And it's like, do you

618
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,600
understand the implications, though? And I look that, you

619
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,600
know, all the bootlery and G hard and stuff is so no AI or

620
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,600
computers and shit, except for like these mentat things and

621
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,600
every it's it's it fits David Lynch. It does fit David Lynch

622
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,600
is kind of ethos and like kind of his sensibilities a lot of

623
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,600
like and a lot of the sets. Yeah, they look pretty fucking

624
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,600
cool. Conceptually, and his artist and his art style, all the

625
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,600
harkening stuff for sure on industrial harkening shit.

626
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:30,600
I find it's so cool that even though it you can at a very

627
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:36,600
like base like surface level, you could be like spice is oil,

628
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:42,600
but when you learn more about spice, it isn't oil. It's so

629
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,600
much. It's so much more interesting than that where

630
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:52,600
it's like this is so valuable because it is required for

631
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,600
space travel, but not because it goes into a ship and thinking

632
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,600
even deeper than that. It's because it affects your brain

633
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:08,600
to be able to allow you to think broader, think broader in the

634
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,600
sense of time.

635
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,600
Really? Use it. Everyone uses it and yeah, in their own

636
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:19,600
different ways. Absolutely. There's so there's so many

637
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,600
interesting things about the lore of Dune that have again

638
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,600
surf like midichlorians. It's very because in the midichlorians

639
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,600
give you the force. Spice gives you the voice. Yeah,

640
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,600
absolutely. Yeah, the force.

641
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:41,600
It's a lot of fun. I forget. Continue, sir.

642
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:48,600
But so I just I find it's so fun that there are at a surface

643
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,600
level, a lot of clear analogs between what's happening, like

644
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,600
what is what exists in the real world and what exists in Dune,

645
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,600
but it is.

646
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,600
I mean, all the climate change stuff is like very like super

647
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,600
ahead of its time as well and like changing the ecology of a

648
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,600
planet because you're harvesting a resource too much. I mean,

649
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,600
I mean, give me. Hello.

650
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:24,600
But so. Again, I just want major love of this like world.

651
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:30,600
You know, these movies by and large is this idea of.

652
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Using little bits of like things you're familiar with, but

653
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:41,600
then transforming them in a in a way that makes sense.

654
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,600
Like I would argue that Dune is so good. The story by and large

655
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,600
this movie. Yeah, at times two.

656
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,600
But it's so good. I mean, the new ones are really good at it

657
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,600
where it is. These little, you know, certain aspects of our

658
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:04,600
present society have lasted, you know, 200,000 years or whatever

659
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,600
and like what has lasted because that's to me is like the fun

660
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,600
of sci-fi is, you know, the recognizing like, oh, this is like

661
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,600
kind of what evolved out of these things. I was really hoping

662
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,600
that Gurney was going to have his musical instrument and the

663
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,600
new one, but he does have it. Patrick Stewart does have it

664
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,600
in this one and he's just carrying it for a bit. I can't

665
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,600
recall if he actually plays it maybe like before the battle.

666
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,600
He might be. I forget. But he's like walking in before the

667
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,600
little shield duel that they have and he's carrying. They

668
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,600
had some name from it in the in the book, but I always thought

669
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,600
that was that was cool. It's like, well, you got to find a way

670
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,600
to make an instrument and it looked like I forget what those

671
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,600
are. Those are called or you like spin a little thing. It's

672
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,600
like a guitar that you spin a little thing at the base and it

673
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,600
makes a hardy-girty and it makes a little like tremolo effect.

674
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:04,600
Yeah, that kind of stuff is great. And then, you know,

675
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,600
even like the shields and everything, I like how as with

676
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,600
the Boulayrin Jihad and the death of all computers and all

677
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:17,600
that stuff, I like that a lot of this. I mean, they get to the

678
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,600
voice guns and all that stuff. And in the new one as well,

679
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:26,600
I don't really like those, but I do like blade warfare, you

680
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,600
know, like you got to get up close and get into that because

681
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:35,600
that gets that's so real. And I like when sci-fi stuff, some

682
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,600
stuff like is limited in interesting ways or like downgrades

683
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,600
or defaults. And that's maybe the dystopian effect or the

684
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,600
cyberpunk effect, a little bit of the, you know, Blade Runner

685
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,600
can be compared to either one of these movies, which is which is

686
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,600
fun, you know, it's like Blade Runner. The original one came out

687
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,600
at the same and Blade Runner sequel is, you know, a little

688
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,600
bit of a new round of the same. But really, Scott was also

689
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,600
considered for this movie and then you decided to do Blade

690
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,600
Runner instead. Let's be real, that would have been better.

691
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,600
Yeah, you're right. He would have been like, I can make it to

692
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,600
an hour movie. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Yeah,

693
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,600
absolutely. I mean, they go, you know, this, which I mean, but

694
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,600
then he has how many director cuts of different movies as he

695
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,600
have to. So I don't know. It could have been the same drama

696
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,600
that like unfurled after Blade Runner that happened to both

697
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,600
movies because all the Harrison Ford and Arian should know

698
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,600
that shit and that in that movie and the long drawn out thing

699
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,600
to get the all like the five different cuts that he went

700
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,600
through, the thing is he would be willing to go through that

701
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,600
and David Lynch is like, I want to forget this ever happened.

702
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,600
Right. Just like with the story you played is like David

703
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,600
Lynch, obviously is the type of person where almost immediately

704
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,600
he starts to shut down like on a physiological level when he

705
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,600
just doesn't like what he's doing. And you can just tell that

706
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,600
I'm, you know, I watched an interview with him that talked

707
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,600
about the production of this and he said, even from before

708
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,600
filming. Yeah. When they were going through the script of it,

709
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,600
he was already like letting the studio selling out as he says

710
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,600
selling out as he said, yeah, like make because he didn't have

711
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,600
final cuts. This is big issue. Right. And then it kind of

712
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,600
makes him seem like such a little stinker where he's like,

713
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,600
well, since I don't have final cut, then I'm going to just,

714
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,600
you know, okay, fine. If you want to do it that way, let's do it

715
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,600
that way just to like almost like it's almost like he sabotage

716
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:46,600
this to prove like the studio meddling was all terrible ideas.

717
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,600
I don't know. Yeah, I wouldn't go that far, but I would

718
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,600
definitely say that he's a sensitive artist that is very

719
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,600
hurt by the process of this. When in the past, he was kind of

720
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,600
giving. He was given final cut and he was given a lot of leeway

721
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,600
by the people who backed him in both a racer head took fucking

722
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,600
forever and he like took up some some barn in the studio that

723
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,600
Mel Brooks or no, this is this is Mel Brooks was an elephant

724
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,600
man, but a racer had like he took forever to make that movie

725
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,600
and he just locked himself in this, you know, in the set and

726
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,600
just spent forever making that one. And then Mel Brooks saw

727
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:34,600
that and kind of gave him final cut on elephant man because he

728
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,600
liked him so much and then didn't attach his name to elephant

729
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,600
man because he didn't want that to distract from the success.

730
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,600
I mean, what a fucking guy. What a fucking guy.

731
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,600
Mel Brooks, you mean? Absolutely. Yeah. What a fucking guy.

732
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,600
Because you have to assume that in the movies that Mel Brooks had

733
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,600
made prior to that, like studios, I'm sure told him like this is

734
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,600
too much. You can't do this because his movies have moments in

735
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,600
a not moments like whole scenes that are so just like

736
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:11,600
surreal self-indulgent. Oh, sure. You know, like they're really

737
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:16,600
funny, sure, but it's not like they the plot along necessarily,

738
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,600
but he's just such a funny guy where he's lies. Kind of takes

739
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:26,600
the vaccine in a good amount of it, you know, and absolutely.

740
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:32,600
Yeah. Twin Peaks begins as, you know, the murderer of a girl

741
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:38,600
and turns into what it is and it becomes so much more about

742
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:44,600
what you perceive as extraneous things and being the things that

743
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,600
almost matter and then the journey and all that stuff.

744
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:53,600
And I love, I love his, but his whole deal. I love it.

745
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,600
And I love watching interviews with him, you know, reading his books

746
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,600
and really digging deep and on him. I watched Mahalan Drive again recently

747
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,600
and love Blue Velvet. But yeah, he totally seems like somebody

748
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:13,600
that, yeah, if you work with him, you just have to give up any sort of,

749
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,600
unless he asks you and he wants your professional opinion or whatever,

750
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,600
but I would imagine that it has to be very specific what he wants

751
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,600
and that could also change in a moment as well. And then I also hear

752
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,600
he's just lovely to work with if you're an actor. If you're an actor,

753
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:34,600
like he's the best because he really takes all the time to get,

754
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,600
to have fun with that. And he's worked with people that, you know,

755
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,600
like when he does work with somebody, he kind of tends to work with them

756
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,600
again and again. He's worked with a lot of very cool and interesting people

757
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,600
like David Bowie and Billy Zane and when they show up and Twin Peas.

758
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,600
Stinginess is such a good thing. Those little cameos.

759
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,600
Full casting. The sting thing is pretty mind blowing to little

760
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,600
tidbit on that of like synchronicity had just been recorded and had like

761
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,600
not even come out yet when they were making this movie. And then

762
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,600
synchrony, I think synchrony like comes out and then everyone's like,

763
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:15,600
Oh my God, we fucking love staying in the police and that he's going to be

764
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,600
in this movie. Oh shit. And then I've seen interviews with Dave Lynch.

765
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,600
He's like, he's not the, he's not the main star of the movie.

766
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,600
He's not the main character. People are going into this movie being really

767
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,600
sad that he's not in it very much. Right. Absolutely. And it's,

768
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,600
it's fun now to know that there's a lot of him.

769
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,600
If you know what I mean, there's a lot of him, even if you don't,

770
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,600
you know, you don't see, you don't see very much. You do see a lot of him.

771
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:46,600
Austin Butler is, I think, great casting. And I think, yeah,

772
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:52,600
yeah, Shalamane and Zendaya. The whole casting of the new movie is

773
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,600
perfect. And I think it as it's, as itself as a movie is a 10 out of 10

774
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,600
perfect movie for me. And I cannot wait for part two because I think it's

775
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,600
just going to be the best thing. I'm excited. I hate to be, you know,

776
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,600
I, I don't hype things up. Try not to hype things up too much too often,

777
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,600
but I just think it's, it's so good. I've seen it, I think like three or four

778
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,600
times and seen it four times. Yeah. Just a fucking ready for the IMAX

779
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:23,600
experience and a couple of days I'm seeing it. And I think we'll probably

780
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,600
report back on the next episode about, you know, kind of how it compares to

781
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,600
this and be like, you know what, actually, the David Lynch one is much better.

782
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,600
He totally should put that on this. Unfortunately, he did the same thing.

783
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,600
He did the same thing. It was two and a half hours of bullshit and sound guns.

784
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:46,600
Sound guns. Oh, God, I hated sound guns. That's one of my notes is like,

785
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:55,600
I had at hour and 30 things have gotten really aimless. Yeah. And then my

786
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,600
next note was the voice gun is kind of lame. Yeah. That whole scene is like,

787
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:06,600
now yell at it. But you're gone. And I just hated that there is he was like

788
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,600
condescending and all is you're like, I got to teach these guys. But then even

789
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,600
some, even some of that stuff was kind of, he's like, I am going to take 100 of

790
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,600
your strongest men and I will teach him my ways. And then those 100 men will

791
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,600
teach all of the rest of them was real Ponzi scheme, if you will.

792
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:33,600
It's like, I will. If you act now, you can learn the weird way. Take this

793
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:39,600
pamphlet and a little, a little water of life or I mean, that's what bon me

794
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:44,600
eyes because the issue with this latter portion of the movie is that they have

795
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:50,600
what's in the books. They like are very stringent on what they want to put in

796
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,600
because I think they were stressed out about being faithful to the book to

797
00:49:54,600 --> 00:50:00,600
like way too much. But they maintain those scenes like the big ones, like

798
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,600
of Jessica taking the water and writing the worm and the big, you know,

799
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,600
the big battle and they're like, those things are there. The connective tissue

800
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,600
is not villain who knows how to make something burn. I mean, to bring that up

801
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,600
again, just like let it burn and let like that build up really, really come in

802
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:23,600
to play and make the action just come across so palatable. But with this one,

803
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,600
it's like, I've got to do this. I've got to do this now is like all he does.

804
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,600
And no one tells him there's no, there's nothing that pushes him along.

805
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:37,600
What there is, and we haven't mentioned too much yet, is the other thing besides

806
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,600
the head at the beginning of Erol on a character that you don't even fucking

807
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:47,600
tell the inch isn't really saying anything is the inner voice that is

808
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:53,600
constantly like throughout, which could be done so well if it was done like a

809
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,600
handful of times, like maybe like five times least. Yeah, maybe like five

810
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:05,600
times like just a handful. They do it like throughout the movie. Oh, he's like,

811
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:13,600
I'm kind of hungry. I have gas. I should have Taco Bells.

812
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:18,600
No, I should say like, Taco Bells.

813
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:24,600
I have lower back pain. I am not doing today.

814
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:31,600
I have to take a big dumpy. Oh my God, feed Ratha looks so hot right now.

815
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:40,600
God, that scene with him. So raw Rafa, Rafa, Rafa, fade Rafa, I think is and

816
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:49,600
then what's the other the in the new one it's played by about what is that

817
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,600
character's name Dave Bautista plays. Oh, Robin, Robin, Harpen and Robin.

818
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,600
Yeah, but there's that scene with Robin Rafa and

819
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:08,600
there's all the Baron Baron Baron. Yeah. And then Baron is like turned on by

820
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:14,600
like his by fade Ratha. Yeah, that's the upsetting part of this point about it.

821
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Who is like, so fucking gross. I hate it. So gross. Which is the elephant man of

822
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,600
it all. Right. Like that's in my mind where the elephant man connection comes

823
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:32,600
in because there's empathy with elephant man, you know, like there's really

824
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,600
with that character with this. It's like, yeah, maybe the makeup and all that.

825
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,600
But makeup. Yeah. But this. Yeah, for sure. This is just so gross and mean and like,

826
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,600
look at all this weird. Look at it. Look at the weird shit.

827
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,600
So God, so much weird shit. The thing that grossed me out the most, even though

828
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,600
before you move on from that point was like the just real quick is like because

829
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,600
you mentioned him being attracted to it to staying and I just wanted to say just

830
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:02,600
like I hated how this is in that era when homo eroticism was vilified in that

831
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,600
way of like, oh, he's a villain. So he's going to be like kind of.

832
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:12,600
Intra genus or like not like pansexual almost. Yeah, that's he's going to have

833
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:17,600
that. That's a kink. That's that's weird and like and attributed to bad bad

834
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,600
people and villains and antagonists and the weird and the way that it was

835
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,600
mixed in with like a psychosexual homo eroticism where he pulls out the

836
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:32,600
fucking heart tab of this like young. Those are the absolute. Oh, my God.

837
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:37,600
And just like. And then. But then it's like he's like horny too.

838
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,600
And then that's just so fucking upsetting. That's I mean, yeah.

839
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,600
And then the part where he's spinning around in circles that.

840
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,600
But it's upsetting. And then it's it's just fucked up that like that needs

841
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:55,600
to be a part of it. You know, it's just like, oh yeah, Amy is attracted to

842
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,600
Fade Roth. Isn't that weird? Isn't this guy that adds to the weirdness, right?

843
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,600
It's like what I feel like the movies. Yeah, that's not the problem.

844
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,600
That's so many other weird things about him. Like it would be a hat on a hat

845
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,600
as you would say, Brandon, it would be a hat on a hat. I know you like to say

846
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,600
that. I love to see that. I was just about to say that.

847
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:21,600
I get to say this time. It's a clear case of ungepachka.

848
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:26,600
It's like it's another hat on a hat for me was you.

849
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:32,600
A mentat has wine mouth and then they also have crazy eyebrows.

850
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:37,600
I just got like fucking pick one, right?

851
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:42,600
I mean, they look like a horton hears a who they look like a wool who gay.

852
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:47,600
Yeah, I and so something I didn't realize, obviously, because it's such a

853
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:52,600
minor thing, but like I really love the plus up that the new movie did

854
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,600
with the Mentats where so they explain why all the Mentats have like

855
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,600
stains on their mouth because they're like in spice.

856
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,600
Yeah. And it's door flakes. Is that cool thing before he drinks it?

857
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:12,600
Oh, yeah, he's like, yeah, I'm taking this because or whatever.

858
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,600
And I love that in the new one, it isn't like it looks like they have just

859
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,600
a filthy wine mouth. It's just that little red square.

860
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,600
Yeah, Streb looks so much cooler.

861
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,600
And like accomplishes the same fucking thing because like.

862
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:32,600
And then you can have like them be in different cultures and be represented

863
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:38,600
by the culture as well, where you can have piter and the new one was the

864
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,600
I love that actor and he's all like ball and eyebrows and pale.

865
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,600
And then you have the other guy through fear who is just like a normal

866
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,600
looking dude with some faded out eyes.

867
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:56,600
And like when he does his little like this little yeah, like calculation.

868
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,600
Yeah. But then it's just yeah, it's the little strip where you can have a

869
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,600
broad variety of different types of looking people, but then that's the

870
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,600
signifier is is that right there? Or or or even if they're whatever

871
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,600
culture that they may have to themselves.

872
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,600
All the I'm glad because then there's good costumes in this movie.

873
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:19,600
Like there's some some fantastic costumes in this one.

874
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,600
And I know that watching some little behind the scenes of the

875
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:27,600
costume was only frustrated that they didn't get more time to do some stuff.

876
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,600
And then some of their stuff wasn't featured or like last minute changes to

877
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,600
add or remove things.

878
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,600
But there was a lot of there's a lot of cool things.

879
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:42,600
And one part that creeped me the fuck out was the I believe it was the

880
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,600
Harkinins that were wearing them.

881
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,600
If it wasn't, it might have been the Guild Space Navigator guys that were

882
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:53,600
wearing these like almost like black trash bags were like these big black

883
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,600
puffy suits.

884
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:01,600
Those black puffy suits originally this guy was like, yeah, so the

885
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:08,600
San Diego Fire Department found this extra whole room full of body bags

886
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,600
that weren't being used anymore.

887
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,600
So we took those and fashion costume costumes out of them.

888
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:21,600
And I didn't tell anybody, but there were still some like like fluids and

889
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,600
things like in the bags and obviously by cleaned them out.

890
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,600
And everything.

891
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,600
But he's like, I didn't tell them they were body bags until after they were

892
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,600
like done with the scene.

893
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,600
I'm like that fucking blew my mind if I had known that I was wearing that

894
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,600
shit and like, oh, you wouldn't have worn it.

895
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:36,600
Yeah, absolutely.

896
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:37,600
Yeah.

897
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,600
But even after the fact, that's like the poltergeist thing where it's like

898
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:41,600
they use the real skeletons.

899
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,600
It's just like, you know, you don't tell people and very dear elite.

900
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,600
It's very 1980s cocaine style filmmaking.

901
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,600
If you ask me, but this was shot in Mexico City.

902
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,600
They like some of the stuff they're talking about like, hey, you just wanted

903
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:56,600
black smoke.

904
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:57,600
So we burn tires.

905
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,600
They didn't care back then.

906
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,600
So he's burned a shit ton of tires.

907
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,600
So the black smoke is just right.

908
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,600
Pretty tires.

909
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:11,600
You know, it's unique about this movie in comparison to the new one is

910
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:20,600
and I honestly like to its credit like I enjoyed it honestly is how

911
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,600
varied all of the costumes and looks even amongst like the

912
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,600
Harkonnen, for example, like some people just have the middle of their

913
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:35,600
head shaved and here you know, or just all of these insane choices in

914
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,600
costuming is really fun to watch.

915
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:43,600
You know, it's a I think a plus for this movie is that there are so many

916
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:48,600
goofy artistic choices that make if that fill this movie up with a lot of

917
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,600
like I don't know.

918
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:51,600
Yeah.

919
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,600
Interest and you know, things to be like, look at that guy.

920
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,600
Like what's that guy's deal?

921
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,600
Everybody's just so.

922
00:58:58,600 --> 00:58:59,600
Yeah.

923
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,600
Outrageous in their costuming.

924
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:06,600
And he's sort of like ensemble scene where there's a lot.

925
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:07,600
Yeah.

926
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,600
There's a lot of people from different factions at the beginning, of

927
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:10,600
course.

928
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:15,600
And at the end, do where there's all those, all those various people that

929
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:22,600
show up to that is where the other movie kind of locks into a fun

930
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,600
place where you can just kind of look at the fun visuals when it's like the

931
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,600
dark battles and everything is definitely the worst part of it.

932
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,600
Yeah, especially because there's some special effects and stuff.

933
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:36,600
Yeah.

934
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,600
And there's one isn't even really like CG at this time.

935
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,600
Like that wasn't that wasn't a thing that you did.

936
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,600
So like even like the shields and stuff or like, I believe hand drawn

937
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,600
like frame by frame that wasn't even CG is like actually just they just had

938
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,600
to draw those things.

939
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:51,600
Let's talk about the shields.

940
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,600
That's the thing is like you can't do it.

941
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,600
You can do anything at that time.

942
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:56,600
Let's talk about it.

943
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:57,600
Let's do anything at that time.

944
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:58,600
What are you going to do?

945
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:59,600
I don't know.

946
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,600
There's this is the time of like lightning silly.

947
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,600
We're like where eighties were like, we can do lightning effects.

948
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,600
What we got for you is lightning effects.

949
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:13,600
So if you want your worm miniature who's mulling around and you know,

950
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,600
our little miniature sand,

951
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,600
we're lightning on top of it.

952
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,600
Which is pretty cool.

953
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:28,600
And no, there are again, all of the there's so much miniature work in

954
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:29,600
this that I love.

955
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,600
Yeah, really, really fucking dig.

956
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,600
But OK, the worms are a little there's some cool stuff.

957
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,600
They're so bad.

958
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:42,600
It takes you out big distracting really hard to know like what's happening.

959
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:43,600
Yeah.

960
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:48,600
Because once the shields go up, you can't really see the person in there.

961
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,600
And then they're also just so blocky and large.

962
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:57,600
I'm trying to think of what it what they kind of make me think of.

963
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:58,600
But it's just it.

964
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,600
Yeah, it's Minecraft.

965
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:01,600
Yes.

966
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:02,600
Yes.

967
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:03,600
Nailed it.

968
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:04,600
Yes.

969
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,600
Yes.

970
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:06,600
Roblox.

971
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,600
Everything is very squared.

972
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:16,600
Whatever reason, that doesn't make any sense why it be so blocky and like it's like pieces on each other and whatnot.

973
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:17,600
It just doesn't make any.

974
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:29,600
Especially when you see the new one, it's just perfect how they do it with the blue and the red and slow blade breaks the shield and all that stuff.

975
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:30,600
It explains it.

976
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:37,600
But and then they have that whole other thing with like the the like pillar that drops down with like knives attached to it and everything.

977
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,600
And he's got to roll around.

978
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,600
I'm like, this does not work.

979
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,600
And is unnecessary.

980
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,600
We saw him do a little do already.

981
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,600
We don't need to see like he's he's a he's a he can battle like, oh, we already we just saw it.

982
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:51,600
It's fine.

983
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:52,600
Yeah, we got it.

984
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:53,600
Yeah, absolutely.

985
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,600
We get the little like PowerPoint of the planets and all that stuff.

986
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:06,600
And before we go to him and there's like a soothing sound design to some of that stuff.

987
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:07,600
But I want to.

988
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:08,600
Yeah, I don't know.

989
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:16,600
I want to talk about something that's really different in this, which I feel like I'm always going back to the beginning because there's so much to talk about.

990
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,600
But like this move.

991
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:19,600
I'm running around right.

992
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,600
I feel like we're getting near the end.

993
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:35,600
This movie, unlike the new one starts off with the proposition from the spacing guild about the plan to like you actually hear the conversation about why it's more like omniscient.

994
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:43,600
And you kind of know everyone's plans going in, which is very in kind to the book.

995
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,600
Yeah, so the spacing guild head person.

996
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,600
So let's yeah, we never even really like we talked about that.

997
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:57,600
And that's something to my memory is not as cuckoo bananas bonkers out there.

998
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:04,600
Grasshoppery shit as in the book like in the book, I think they have like, you know, some, some defining features.

999
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:10,600
Like I like this all the spice and take and everything I think has affected some of some of their looks and everything.

1000
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:15,600
But I think they're still anthropomorphic in some way or like humanoid.

1001
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,600
But they have like, I don't know, like gills or something.

1002
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:20,600
I'm trying to try to remember.

1003
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:31,600
But David Lynch looks at it and is like, well, I want a big grasshopper and a tank and I want a bunch of people walking around that stuff up the goo.

1004
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,600
Do you know, look at those guys.

1005
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:34,600
Oh, yeah.

1006
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:35,600
I love that.

1007
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,600
Okay, I want to be that guy.

1008
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,600
Second to the goose weepers.

1009
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,600
All right, goose weepers.

1010
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,600
I want real energy on this one.

1011
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,600
Diane.

1012
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,600
Yeah.

1013
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:54,600
How much it the camera just fucking focuses on its mouth.

1014
01:03:54,600 --> 01:04:04,600
And it just spit now.

1015
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:05,600
That was I was questioning a lot.

1016
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:19,600
I was like, wow, they really committed to just like, you need to see this little mouth thing flapping not once, twice, but multiple times multiple times during the space travel montage of that was.

1017
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,600
That was the space.

1018
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,600
Yeah, it's so silly.

1019
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:25,600
Yeah, it's so out.

1020
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:31,600
But seeing outside looks really cool, you know, like all, you know, the big module and all the little ones flying out looks great.

1021
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:36,600
And but then once you get into the grasshopper flying through and bending space.

1022
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:41,600
That lights up like a, that lights up like a like a firefly.

1023
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:48,600
And like, she's like a laser like out of its mouth and like.

1024
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:54,600
It's so but okay, even though it's all gross and what also you're kind of just like, what?

1025
01:04:54,600 --> 01:05:00,600
I love the head and because it looks so fucking cool.

1026
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,600
Like gross, but it looked awesome.

1027
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:04,600
Yeah.

1028
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,600
Like, do you know how to with with Barbara Rella and everything too?

1029
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:09,600
It's just like, I don't know.

1030
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:15,600
It was a bit cone in the barbarian, which is just Barbara Rella's visuals are just like weird and cool.

1031
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:25,600
Like, I remember going to a concert one time and they had Barbara Rella projected on a wall during like at like the bar section of the concert venue.

1032
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:26,600
And they were just like kind of there.

1033
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:33,600
I think there's DJ and they were playing some music and there was there was no sound of Barbara Rella, but I just kind of sat there for a while with a drink and we talked about this.

1034
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:38,600
Watch bar watch Barbara Rella to some music and yeah, plays very well to some tunes.

1035
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:46,600
And this is kind of a similar thing where the visuals of this just kind of like is puts you in a place of like, wow, it's it's cool to look at.

1036
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:53,600
And the new one does it in a way where you know what's going on every still in that movie is like a fucking piece of art.

1037
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:54,600
Painting.

1038
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:55,600
Oh my God.

1039
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,600
I that's so funny that you bring that up because I remember maybe it was you that told me about it.

1040
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:05,600
Then then we watched it together, but I've put on Barbara Rella on you to add house parties before.

1041
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:06,600
That's a great move.

1042
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:07,600
That's such a party movie.

1043
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:23,600
Yeah, it's such like, you know, I just imagine when I was hosting parties like if somebody were to just be sitting on the couch, like maybe in like a in a space where they're like, I don't necessarily know anybody, whatever, like having at least something to just sit down and like,

1044
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:24,600
what's this about?

1045
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:29,600
Like, you know, and then you could like have a conversation about a thing that's happening in front of you.

1046
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:34,600
So then it would help you connect with the people at the party and Barbara Rella is such a good movie for that.

1047
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,600
You could still have some music playing, you could talk over it.

1048
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:38,600
Yeah.

1049
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:59,600
And the plot of it like doesn't it's so simple doesn't really matter, but the visuals of it are just every which way you're like, you know, I'm just remembering like that set very clearly a set and there's like smoke on the ground and then they get into like a like not a toboggan, but like some kind of.

1050
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:00,600
Yeah, I can remember that.

1051
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,600
It's like a control panel thing.

1052
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,600
And yeah, what is it?

1053
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,600
What's it called when dogs are on a sled?

1054
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:09,600
A sled.

1055
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:10,600
Yeah.

1056
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:11,600
Yeah.

1057
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,600
And it's just so many and like that guy has this whole furry.

1058
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,600
Yeah, that's ringing some bells.

1059
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:17,600
Yeah.

1060
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:27,600
I mean, and that fuzzy sort of sci-fi sort of viewing of the 70s and 80 late 70s into the 80s and is something that when it hits, it hits me really well.

1061
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:46,600
I just watched Alien for I don't know what however many times I've seen that movie again recently and this is around the same time of that and just there's a way of making it look so fucking cool with the technology of its time, whether it's through miniatures which are in that one as well and

1062
01:07:46,600 --> 01:08:05,600
all the practical effects, it has a real weight to everything in the sets, especially like whatever sets that you have are really trying to tell you that we're in a different planet or we're in a spaceship or whatever it may be.

1063
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:25,600
And I know David Lynch was very inspired by Italian Verona's and like architecture because Dino gave him like a book and he was like and he was spent some time in Italy with the Laurenti's and you can tell and yeah and that I don't know like all the lavish gold

1064
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:41,600
and the emperor area and the Iraqis and all that and then Geedy Prime all the Harkins for sure, Lynch's area of expertise. I would like to at least talk about some of that weird shit that happens there like there's the cat thing.

1065
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,600
I got nipples Greg.

1066
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,600
Can you milk me?

1067
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,600
Oh God.

1068
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,600
It's like a cat bomb, right?

1069
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,600
It's you got a milk the cat or he dies. He has a poison.

1070
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:01,600
That's right. Yes. Yes. Yes. And the antidote is in the milk of a cat of the cat.

1071
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:16,600
Oh, that he has to so gross. Yeah. And that's something. And then another part that happens which is like the most like fever dream sort of where am I

1072
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:35,600
I don't know what is happening portion of the movie is when like if I can just describe Robin enters sees upside down cow rips tongue off of dead upside and cow begins chewing on it walks into room Jack Fisk

1073
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:56,600
rolling a strange contraption in a box while Baron is flying around a pillar of smoke screaming and laughing like a madman and Tersie like begin seeing it's like and then the next like five minutes I'm just like oh can we can we get out of this again.

1074
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:05,600
It's do you have any idea what Jack Fisk is he manipulating his back piece or the smoke. Is he doing a sound that what is I don't know.

1075
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:11,600
I don't know because it's just all of the Harkinen stuff is just so fucking disgusting.

1076
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:27,600
Like I it's hard for me to even like think of you know you could I don't know like what gross me out the most but like every time we're at the Harkinen place which I just want to point out I found it very funny to me that one of the sets for the

1077
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:49,600
Harkinen looks like a like a green screen room where I just a little bit weirdly felt like somebody forgot to put the background so they're like the the the lot the green color green itself especially did look like green screen and I think at that time they were using blue.

1078
01:10:49,600 --> 01:11:10,600
So maybe this green was more novel concept but the the open air concept of the space did make it feel like a set but then the reasoning was just like yeah well just in case Baron gets a little excited he just likes to launch into the air and just scream to joy.

1079
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:19,600
But the overhang coming into that that room was really cool and that looked like that what is that like classic silent film metropolis.

1080
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:40,600
It's called it looked a lot like that sort of just big cityscape sort of imposing or brutalist sort of sort of thing but I'm down to kind of wrap up at least plot stuff and kind of go into some notes because I'm sure that'll bring up maybe other any other things we forgot about.

1081
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:59,600
The final do I thought Robin's head on on the on the pike looked really good and was a nice thrilling bit of of like Emperor coming in and making himself known on to Baron Baron getting launched into a worms mouth.

1082
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:05,600
That was something that was that happened and then there's got you got all the alia stuff.

1083
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:17,600
Sean Young is very underutilized. You don't see a lot of Sean Young but for her to be in both this and Blade Runner at the time is pretty fucking cool.

1084
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:25,600
Oh and speaking of her I'm just going to play a little of this as well before we kind of get near the end here.

1085
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:43,600
She recorded I believe a little bit of behind the scenes from a dune and then what I think this is is her is like her later on kind of commenting on her experience but it's in a very like home video sort of way and it has this honky ton kind of piano

1086
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:52,600
ragtime piano playing while she's just kind of talking about what she experienced so we'll just hear a little little tip of this here.

1087
01:12:52,600 --> 01:13:03,600
And then I'm going to fast forward at some point to check out.

1088
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:13,600
David Lynch was Hollywood's current wonder boy in 1983 the it man. He'd made eraser head and then Elephant man which was nominated for an Academy Award.

1089
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:27,600
David has been quoted as saying various things about me. It's really charming. I would recommend checking out all of it because it's very candid. Very like candid about everything.

1090
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:35,600
And she kind of she kind of mentions near the end because I don't we're not it's like six minutes. We're not going to watch it all but she does mention kind of near the end a little bit of what you're saying.

1091
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:43,600
It's like you kind of see how does she put it. Maybe I'll just get there real quick or she talks about.

1092
01:13:43,600 --> 01:14:05,600
Be able to make it at a certain point in the making of Dune. I think David got scared and felt like he was on a sinking ship and didn't know whether he would be able to make a great movie. And he was a little spoiled in that he'd only made great movies up till then.

1093
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:15,600
I think it's such a good apt like way to put it like that doesn't put any sort of shade necessarily on him. It does make it like a little bit you mentioned like the spoil.

1094
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:32,600
It's definitely criticism. Yeah. Definitely. But it's also like get back in a compliment or it's like you made great movies but it's like not every movie can be you know perfect and and this is how you realized it and it's almost an inevitable part of being an artist and you just took it very hard.

1095
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:44,600
I'll do like one more little part here. Oh look there's Paul Smith sitting in the back with red hair. Jose Ferrar. Home movies. It's great.

1096
01:14:44,600 --> 01:15:01,600
Every single actor who worked on that movie loved David and would have done anything for him. He was inspiring to the actors. Everybody loved him. He had a great sense of humor.

1097
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:10,600
Patrick Stewart.

1098
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:15,600
As a bold man it cracks me up when other bold men wear their hair like that.

1099
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,600
It's all business in the front party in the back.

1100
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:38,600
I just shave it off like what are you doing. Why are you growing out this. Maybe you're maybe you're a mercenary in the wastes of Arrakis and you got to make a living as a scavenger and you know you see Paul roll up and young pop young pop young pop.

1101
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:50,600
There's a pop in this movie. Yeah. Oh thank you. Yes. He loves his pop and he saves saves the day with with the pug in hand that pug even this time not being so far ago.

1102
01:15:50,600 --> 01:16:02,600
I'm getting there but also this pug still kind of has a snout. I feel like even from then they've been greeted to such a way that they just can't have no snout cannot breathe at all.

1103
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:11,600
This one has like a little bit left and you see some from like the 1800s or whatever look like how pugs like originally used to used to look like so you have seen them.

1104
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,600
Okay. Yeah. Cute dogs with like actual nose. Yeah. Yeah.

1105
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:25,600
Yeah. Like you die and then just bred him into just like deforms not to be able to breathe and even back then you could you could see that this one.

1106
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:33,600
I have a tough time breathing but at least looked a little bit more like normal normal pitch not to be mean but you know it's it's hard to see.

1107
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:41,600
Isn't it. It's not weird that breeding because the reason that people did that is because it's they have a hard time breathing and they can't get too far.

1108
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:53,600
Well yeah it's part of it's all the dog show shit too right. So oh this one's got the flat nose. Oh you got a pure breathing and they and then they end up with you know abnormalities

1109
01:16:53,600 --> 01:17:01,600
especially when the bloodline and everything is a little too too close. Yeah. So yeah. So weird but I'll just run through.

1110
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:13,600
I took a lot of notes on I'm trying to I'll try to focus in a little bit. Oh yeah the when the narration at the beginning in the head is fading in and out and there's one point where she fades out

1111
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:24,600
and you're like OK we're done. Oh I forgot to tell you. I was like what are you talking. What do you mean. What are you going.

1112
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:35,600
It's not like I just. Oh hello there was a few walking street and just was like tell me about a rat kiss. Oh wait. Oh sorry sorry I forgot I forgot.

1113
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:51,600
No you're in a goddamn movie. The fact that you're like oh I forgot it's and then goes on and whatever I'm like. That immediately was just like man I would already be kind of squirming in my seat seeing this the first time in theaters after

1114
01:17:51,600 --> 01:18:00,600
Star Wars where you're like but you're like fuck yeah let's go and then you come into this and like hey how you doing you want to hear. OK see you later.

1115
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:12,600
Oh no there's one more thing you're like oh yeah now I'm just annoyed like make your point. Absolutely it'd be like if the scroll at the beginning of Star Wars then had a little bit of space and then was like oh wait.

1116
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:31,600
Yeah there was like a dot dot dot and then it disappeared. I was a non spaceballs. Chome. Oh the Chome thing. That's something I forgot about the Chomes stuff. I'm sure that will come up in Dune part.

1117
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:48,600
Activate. Fighter scene unnecessary. Still some HR Geiger stuff like with the still suits. The sleeper must awaken. And then there was like an actual fade out for a second that you almost feel like there's going to be a commercial break or an intermission.

1118
01:18:48,600 --> 01:19:02,600
There was that visualization of the hand burning during the whole Gomtobar thing. That was that was kind of cool. It was like some David Lynch he like fire mutilation shit.

1119
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:08,600
To do the stitched eyes and ears. Those fucked up.

1120
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:23,600
The creature juke. Oh yeah when he like squeezes that little creature in his juice box and and it takes a sip. And what about that prop that was something that's like you're going to squeeze down it's going to create the juice and you get that get up and you're going to throw it in the black water and

1121
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:33,600
it was like yeah like there's there's real yeah thought to all these like little little things you know killing the guy by pulling the heart pin.

1122
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:53,600
Yeah. I'm tongue is what I have. What's that young grandma worm tongue. Yeah. Dwarf man he's he's awesome. Love love him and I watched a little interview with with him as well and he all of them have just like such nice things to say about David Lynch but also there's

1123
01:19:53,600 --> 01:20:13,600
a little bit of like yeah just very very clear creative dude but then there's no one else like him but getting that vision down is is is difficult and he was talking about the scene where Duke Lido has to shoot poison out of his mouth.

1124
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:28,600
And David was asking if there was a way that you could he's like what do you what do you think about performing surgery on actors having surgery on their face to get a hole put in their cheeks so they could put this prop through

1125
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:38,600
and he was like and he was trying to push like this idea of putting like a hole. I think I believe in it was I think it was Duke Lido's cheek because it was part of like shooting the smoke out.

1126
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:56,600
Durgan. Yeah and that was a whole conversation that Dorf was was sharing and interview that was pretty fascinating to hear and then like even when the steam shot out in that scene I think it burned someone's burnt his face a bit so there was only that one take

1127
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:12,600
and that was the take that they used these films in the 80s man like some of that shit is scary I even read in the scary in the in the book here and I'm gonna I'm gonna I know it's a nerdy long podcast well probably read a little bit of the book as well but he talked about how there was

1128
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:27,600
like this pillar that dropped from the top of the set and hit the ground and and if anyone was saying there would have been fucking dead hearing stuff like that is so scary he's like yeah I heard that saw everyone saw and heard it and then just just heard one person like running away

1129
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:43,600
and he's like whoever was responsible like was running away and was just trying to not get fired and yeah I guess I didn't find out because he person didn't get fired. Yeah Duncan tackling with the shield is so funny we was like you just see a big box like

1130
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:58,600
and then you barely see the dark go through his head and that's kind of sucks for dunk that actor Duncan like you barely even see my death man. No build up for the water of life stuff that poor cat.

1131
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:18,600
No cat daily to choose thoughts have sounded motion to cash that was one of what was it to check. And then he's like oh Moa deep my name is a weapon name or whatever he said.

1132
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:31,600
Yeah yeah he doesn't oh yeah he doesn't need anything from from the people he has to train them instead of vice versa yeah he just needs like the manpower of the friend and he didn't need any of your ideas he didn't need their skills or attributes or

1133
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:50,600
the knowledge of the desert and and how to do these just like I just need people and manpower to do my bidding and I'm just going to yell and do big speeches. The Muaddi montage sucks I have here that there's that whole montage of him training and like going on these little

1134
01:22:50,600 --> 01:23:03,600
missions that are supposed to kind of tell you that there's like two years have gone by and Ali it just grows really fast is why she's so big but that's where he gets back in touch with Gurney you young pop you young pop.

1135
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:15,600
That part is like when you see that montage come at that place at that and that that time and how it's done it's just so rushed and you're feeling like it's not going well at this point.

1136
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:29,600
I loved how the Emperor got on turret duty and all those like other like yeah I was real yeah God the weeds a little bit like in that circular like all like looks like they were playing some arcade game or something

1137
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:37,600
like man I miss how are you doing over there oh pretty good what's your high score.

1138
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:46,600
Yeah and then I thought one of the hardest things in the movie and when the most badass things was when he fucking takes out fade Rafa sting and then he just goes like.

1139
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:50,600
And then the ground just breaks.

1140
01:23:50,600 --> 01:24:01,600
It's like dragon speak whatever and just the ground breaks I'm like fuck yeah like how he does it with his head he's like.

1141
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:07,600
Yeah sure mom.

1142
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:23,600
Okay so yeah room to dream this book I was as written by David Lynch and Kristen McKenna and how it's done is like Kristen McKenna does a kind of more straight down the line biography from someone that is not David Lynch.

1143
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:37,600
And that is interspersed with every chapter there's like a chapter from her kind of giving like a little bit more drive by the numbers like what happened in his life at what time and like here's and then this and this.

1144
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:50,600
Not completely drive but you know just more like third person sort of take on it and then there's a chapter that and then after that there's David Lynch's chapter where he talks and it's a response to that chapter.

1145
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:58,600
So he got you and it's very much like brings up things that just you just read in that chapter he's like oh I remember when this happened yeah let me tell you about that.

1146
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:08,600
And we'll go into that so it's a really great way of reading a biography I think you get the kind of dry sort of bit and then you get the color as well kind of interspersed without.

1147
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:21,600
I was just going to read a little bit here from you do that I need to I need to go to the bathroom is that okay absolutely let's just take a little break here and we'll be right back.

1148
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:26,600
Hello we are back welcome back to the polarized by do 1984.

1149
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:38,600
I'm going to share with you just some little excerpts from room to dream by David Lynch and Christine McKenna this part right here is about him meeting Dino.

1150
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:46,600
And let's check it out when I look back on the time when I was getting to know Dino is just as if I was mesmerized.

1151
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:56,600
Dino is like an Italian Mack truck and he just goes forward yet tremendous energy. You know what this needs. This needs a little brain you know prophecy.

1152
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:01,600
That's what this is. That's coming a little strong let's let's tone that down a bit.

1153
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,600
This needs the brain you know prophecy.

1154
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,600
As I read this book.

1155
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:22,600
Room to dream. He had tremendous energy and he's a real charmer and he lives the good life surrounded by great food and great places and great ways to travel and great enthusiasm for projects.

1156
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:34,600
So part of the Dino production was being in his world. Don't get me wrong. I love Dino and Rafael and Rafael and Sylvan and mangano and their daughters Veronica and Francesca and for a while I was like a part of the family.

1157
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:40,600
The only place Dino and I didn't get along was with movies. Dino loves film but not my kind of film.

1158
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:52,600
So he had a dilemma with me. He said this guy Lynch made a racer head which I hate and the elephant man which I love. He wanted the elephant man director.

1159
01:26:52,600 --> 01:27:12,600
I mean there's just like so much fun like anecdotal stuff like him loving mud baths and like first meeting him when he's like first introduced about possibly doing doing hello and as I sit down I see this guy sitting in the shadows out of the corner of my eye and that's Dino Conti who's one of Dino's friends.

1160
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:19,600
I didn't know why he was there but I got the warmest feeling from both of them and they fixed me a cappuccino that was out of this world.

1161
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:33,600
The guy named Enzo was Dino's barber and Enzo's wife Conchetta did all the orders for us that day. Enzo used to cut Dino's hair and when Dino had an office in Wilshire Boulevard there was a barber shop in there and I could go and get my hair cut from Enzo.

1162
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:41,600
He was the best barber just unreal. He studied hair cutting in Italy. It was like a thing.

1163
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:51,600
That whole introduction sounded so Italian of like David sit down let's get you a cappuccino and this is my barber and this is my family.

1164
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,600
Can I get you a small haircut and have a cappuccino.

1165
01:27:55,600 --> 01:28:05,600
I'm just going to do a couple more. Dune is a story of a quest for enlightenment and that's part of why I did it but I also knew I was going into something that was meant to be for some reason.

1166
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:14,600
I didn't know what the reason was but I was in it. I brought in Christivore and Eric Bergren to work on the script with me because we'd worked together and I really liked them.

1167
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:21,600
And they were big fans of the book. Chris, Eric, Dino, son Federico and I went up to Port Townsend and spent a day with Frank Herbert.

1168
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:29,600
Frank and his wife Beverly were really nice and we just talked. I don't even know if we talked about the book. The more I got into the book the more complicated it seemed.

1169
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:40,600
And with Dino not wanting to do this or that I knew it would be hard to make sense of it. There's the shield wall then there's the shields and there's this from this culture and from that from that culture.

1170
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:55,600
And at the same time it's about this jihad and a bunch of other stuff. Very complicated. The day with Frank Herbert was nice though and I was taking taking a plane back to LA at the end of that day and Frederico was flying to Seattle to get a plane to Alaska.

1171
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:00,600
My plane left first and we walked me all the way to the gate, which was so kind of him.

1172
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:09,600
Yeah, Frederico they say was so handsome that woman would almost die when they saw him on that trip to Alaska for a drink. Oh met the pilot that he would be killed with in a plane crash that July.

1173
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:17,600
That's something that's kind of nuts. That was just thrown in. You can see Frederico's name and the credits as well.

1174
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,600
And then I wanted to do.

1175
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:25,600
Yeah, just one more.

1176
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:34,600
See here I hope you're enjoying the Brian you know and this is this is him getting into his ambient stuff. I love it.

1177
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:46,600
Oh yeah there's he addresses the get the surgery thing what Brad Dora said is true I did want Jurgen Prach now to get surgery for a scene in the film I told Jurgen I wanted to operate but I don't think he even considered it.

1178
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:52,600
But you know I feel my cheek and there's not much flesh there. So putting a little hole in a cheek doesn't seem that extreme.

1179
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:58,600
Oh stop.

1180
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:04,600
And then he goes on to describe how someone burns their face with his it's like come on.

1181
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:11,600
You just contradicted yourself. It's like oh yeah by the way you like burned his face from the steam.

1182
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:19,600
Yeah. And then after we finished shooting and I'd been there for a year and a half we went to LA to edit the film.

1183
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:23,600
And I had three or four different places in Westwood during the six months that we were editing.

1184
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:29,600
I don't know why I kept moving. I never hated being down in Mexico but I got real crazy when we came back to LA.

1185
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:33,600
Because by that time we got to the editing room the writing was on the wall.

1186
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:40,600
It was horrible just horrible. It was like a nightmare that was being done to the film to make this two hour and 17 minute running time that was required.

1187
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:46,600
Things were truncated and whispered voiceovers were added because everybody thought audiences wouldn't understand what was going on.

1188
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:52,600
Some of the voiceovers shouldn't be there and there are important scenes that just aren't there. Horrible.

1189
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:59,600
But here's the thing. For Dino it's money. This is a business and if it's any longer than two hours and 17 minutes the theater is losing extra screening.

1190
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:04,600
That's the logic. You've got to hit that number and it doesn't matter if it kills the movie.

1191
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:10,600
I love Dino. Dino the person was fantastic and he treated me like a son and I love the whole family and love being with them.

1192
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,600
But he thinks a certain way and it's different from the way I think.

1193
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:19,600
It's like if you work real hard in a painting and then somebody comes and cuts it up and throws a bunch of it away.

1194
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:23,600
It's not your painting anymore and Dune wasn't my movie.

1195
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:33,600
Yeah. He's just like so hurt by it and he's so sad and like there's a lot about

1196
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:43,600
what he was going through with his family. Mary which is I believe the sister of Jack Fisk.

1197
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:52,600
Mary Fisk. He was married to at that time. Jack Fisk is the guy that's in Twin Peaks and he's the guy doing that twisting that little device.

1198
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:56,600
And in the Baron crazy Baron scene.

1199
01:31:56,600 --> 01:32:03,600
But they had moved to Virginia. He was flying to there and back like from Mexico City to see.

1200
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:08,600
I believe he had two kids at the time.

1201
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:21,600
And like one very young one and then like one that was like come on like because she actually has quotes in the book too of just like I'm yeah yeah like of going through that experience of him not being around too much at that period.

1202
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:32,600
But a lot of just you can tell with all the interviews everyone just really is he's a magnetic personality. Everyone obviously is your his daughter so you want to be around him.

1203
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:50,600
But that dynamic of the family going to LA and seeing that kind of like dynamic of you know Mary's kind of like oh these girls just throwing themselves at him and everything and it's hard to you know build a home and do all these things while having children when he's going through this.

1204
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:59,600
What a time in his life he's going through and something that he'll never do again and one of his sounds like the most traumatic experiences in his career.

1205
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:08,600
Let alone me maybe his life or something too because he sounds so so hurt and torn up by the whole experience.

1206
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:30,600
And I think it's worthwhile to yeah to hear a director and just there have such a tough time with their experience while it still creates something that's pretty you know I'm ostrac when I see see it and everything to have the person who made it be like I didn't even watch it because I couldn't even bear to see how they edited it and how they put all this

1207
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:40,600
inner voice shit in that wasn't necessary. It must yeah hurt a lot and why would you ever want to return to those feelings to make a TV or anything.

1208
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:46,600
So those are his feelings. Thank you for indulging me in that. Can we hear a little.

1209
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:51,600
If you don't mind if you're not annoyed in my voice yeah can I read some reviews now as well.

1210
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:52,600
Yeah let's do it.

1211
01:33:52,600 --> 01:34:06,600
Hell yeah. All right if you're not sick of me reading things. Let's hear some reviews from critics who gave it a 37% on the old rotten tomatoes are Ben a jeserite of reviews tells us what's going to be good and bad in the future.

1212
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:15,600
Sometimes you get those reviews before the movie comes out and they're like who are these guild space navigators of rotten tomatoes who tell me that Captain Marvel isn't going to be good.

1213
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,600
Last of a season two will not be good.

1214
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,600
What do you mean.

1215
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:24,600
Let's start with Harper Barnes from the St. Louis Post dispatch.

1216
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:27,600
This is on Rotten Tomatoes people this is a top critic.

1217
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:41,600
The special effects are mediocre the miniatures look like miniatures the sets look like sets the matte paintings look like matte paintings and even the much dreaded sandworms are about as scary as Missouri neck crawlers.

1218
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,600
And mind you this is a review from.

1219
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,600
This year.

1220
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,600
I do not know when he originally wrote this review.

1221
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:56,600
Oh, I saw this review and it said this year but it's.

1222
01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:06,600
They all say this year but it's like when they get uploaded so that is the tricky thing we've mentioned sometimes in the past as well or it's like these older movies you're not really sure sometimes when they were written.

1223
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:07,600
It's always fun to come.

1224
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,600
Oh here we go here's a Pauline Kale.

1225
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,600
You know when that's from.

1226
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:16,600
That's from the time that when the movie came out because it's Pauline fucking Kale from the New Yorker.

1227
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:24,600
This movie is heavy on exposition and the story isn't dramatized it's merely acted out in a series of scenes that are like illustrations.

1228
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,600
And that says from 2024 which we know not to be true.

1229
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:32,600
But legendary film critic Jean Siskel here's another one.

1230
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:38,600
One out of four they hated this movie when they said they like said it was like the worst movie the year.

1231
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:40,600
Oh God.

1232
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:50,600
Dune simply tries to overwhelm us with technological trickery and a constantly thunderous soundtrack even on the level pure spectacle Dune is disappointing.

1233
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:54,600
Disappointed. Disappointed.

1234
01:35:54,600 --> 01:36:06,600
Peter Bradshaw Guardian this is a film that doesn't dramatically harness the vast forces it's gesturing at but trundles determinedly along the very little variation of tone or pace.

1235
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:07,600
Hmm.

1236
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,600
Pace is rough I agree.

1237
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:15,600
Let's hear some audience feelings five stars.

1238
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:20,600
Of the kind of the five stars because they gave it a 65% on Ron Tomatoes.

1239
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:25,600
There's a lot of positive love for it on other sites as well.

1240
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,600
Let's hear a review from Mark and Dark Star.

1241
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:30,600
Sounds like a sci-fi name.

1242
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:31,600
Mm hmm.

1243
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,600
I think Dark Star was a Game of Thrones guy.

1244
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:35,600
Easy book.

1245
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:46,600
My five stars on my favorite one of I assume one of my favorite sci-fi books of all time I read the book in fourth grade when I was what about 10 years old being a very advanced reader.

1246
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:49,600
No, you tell us.

1247
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:53,600
He's like well yeah you know if I wasn't 10 years I was a very advanced reader.

1248
01:36:53,600 --> 01:37:01,600
Being a very advanced reader I could comprehend the elaborate background of the story which may turn some people off who are looking just for the action.

1249
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:07,600
And though it was really important to understand the story because much of the background info had to be cut were not included in the movie.

1250
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:12,600
It led to what I remember as a poorly watched and reviewed movie that was characterized as confusing.

1251
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,600
I on the other hand thought it was incredible.

1252
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:30,600
I love the performances of the characters especially Kyle McLaughlin, Patrick Stewart aka Captain Picard of Star Trek fame overly and Sting who I actually met in LA at a private birthday party for him after a concert of his.

1253
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:32,600
Wow, dark star.

1254
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:34,600
Wow, name dropper.

1255
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:40,600
I felt this 1984 movie went along pretty well with the book versus the latest mini series that I still enjoyed.

1256
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:52,600
I enjoy all the versions of this movie 1984 original 2000 mini series and current version but I would recommend anyone interested should see the 1984 version as it explains a lot more or even better read the book.

1257
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:54,600
Read the book.

1258
01:37:54,600 --> 01:38:03,600
I don't know if you saw if there's like a Dune mini series or I know there's a children of Dune mini series I've kind of always meant to check out that has like a young McAvoy is Duke Leo II.

1259
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:04,600
Oh wow.

1260
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:05,600
Okay.

1261
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:13,600
And some other like bigger names too but he starts to get his warm powers at the end of it and I'm like oh I kind of want to see what that looks like.

1262
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:18,600
From five star another five star from Jack Harrison Quintana.

1263
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:24,600
I'm rewatching the existing Dune movies and anticipation of Denis Villeneuve's part two.

1264
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:26,600
So this is a recent review.

1265
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,600
Every time I watch the 84 Lynch version the more I love it.

1266
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:36,600
I know there are pacing issues but I still think this is my favorite adaptation across the board.

1267
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:38,600
Wow.

1268
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:41,600
From Jagger five stars.

1269
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:58,600
Any random frame from this film is cooler than anything in Villeneuve's take. God forbid an adaptation of a 900 page book mangled by producers into a two hour 15 film has charmingly muddled exposition throughout you people are out of your minds.

1270
01:38:58,600 --> 01:38:59,600
Wow.

1271
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:00,600
Like yeah.

1272
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:01,600
Yeah.

1273
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:02,600
Yeah.

1274
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,600
Okay.

1275
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:06,600
From Hill.

1276
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,600
Five stars.

1277
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:16,600
The Spice Diver fan edit overcomes the poor editing aspects that diminish the 1984 Lynch film.

1278
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:23,600
Spice Diver is a fan edit that combines the TV version that Dino put out that David Lynch had nothing to do with.

1279
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:32,600
That's like I have some extra stuff and they they've created some fan edit that includes some of that stuff.

1280
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:37,600
Just so you guys know and I guess some of these fans are here really love it.

1281
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:50,600
The result is a splendid is splendid with a clear tight story lovely lynching sound design strong set pieces and a star stud character cast flash Gordon for grownups and being so lucid and lyrical.

1282
01:39:50,600 --> 01:40:06,600
I try to think why this is so much better than than the unsufferably bland Denis Villeneuve offering but could not remember anything about it except needing to go for a piss and struggling to follow which of the characters is which sounds like you have

1283
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:10,600
a lot of it.

1284
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:14,600
It's nice though to hear that perspective because I think.

1285
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:18,600
Yeah like people that don't really don't like the Villeneuve one.

1286
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:19,600
Yeah.

1287
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:20,600
Yeah.

1288
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:23,600
And in particular find it to be slow and boring.

1289
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,600
You know.

1290
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:27,600
Definitely like it.

1291
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:28,600
Yeah.

1292
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,600
I'm just too realistic and I.

1293
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:48,600
I hear that like when you like the Batman movies and everything it's like maybe we don't want to realistic fucking Christopher Nolan guy in a suit saving people maybe we do want silly Tim Burton like wacky stuff just like more comic bookie and not as yeah not as self serious but to each their own.

1294
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:53,600
But I mean we love the new dude so the realism is welcomed.

1295
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:59,600
Yeah I'm trying to figure out how how they feel but that's yeah it's all.

1296
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:07,600
Stuff that I I love so I mean the Villeneuve shit is resoundingly everyone's on it and loving it.

1297
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:22,600
Maybe not maybe not everyone I don't know maybe he's not some of these people but he is like the top director of of this moment in time I feel like and he's just pumping out a yeah master piece after my master piece in my opinion.

1298
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:24,600
I'm glad you brought up the Batman.

1299
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:44,600
But it's like yeah it is like a I don't know it's a modern modern take and maybe people like something from different different time does it does different things so there's going to be people that we've learned in this podcast that there's fans of everything and there's people that are going to defend it to the death.

1300
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:45,600
Yeah.

1301
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:51,600
I just recently watched Batman the Tim Burton one again.

1302
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:57,600
It is so silly and in the way that this is silly.

1303
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:14,600
And it's interesting to think about the dark night Batman of it all where you know you go like or Batman begins you go like there's you know you tackle source material that is either you know kind of fantastical and it's like the dividing line is almost like.

1304
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:24,600
Batman begins pre and post and there's no way that we can go back after Batman begins in dark night to a.

1305
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:29,600
Like magical in the sense of.

1306
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:39,600
Like almost borderline goofy you know and audiences were because when did the first Batman came out it came out if it's going to be goofy it's got to be like meta like Deadpool.

1307
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:40,600
Right.

1308
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:41,600
Yeah.

1309
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:44,600
Look at how silly we're being right now can you believe it.

1310
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:45,600
Hello.

1311
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,600
I'm going to fade out and come back.

1312
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:49,600
Oh I almost forgot one thing.

1313
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:53,600
Princess Erol on is the Deadpool of this time.

1314
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:55,600
Type here just breaking that fourth wall.

1315
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,600
We'll do one more from Brian Robinson.

1316
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,600
Five stars dude.

1317
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,600
Total five star.

1318
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:07,600
I don't know why the ratings are this low but if you actually pay attention to the movie it is corny like a good old sci-fi should be.

1319
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:14,600
There's also a nice storyline good acting and just a good time all around it's just fun not all brooding like the new one.

1320
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:15,600
It's fun.

1321
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:16,600
Another.

1322
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:17,600
Yeah.

1323
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:28,600
A lot of people that are highlighting the the new one and these are last couple were some letterbox reviews I wanted to pull some from there for the audience to see how they're how they're feeling on there because.

1324
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:36,600
Yeah you definitely get a lot of updated modern modern takes on movies like oh finally checked out dude and let's get my review.

1325
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,600
And you can also put them in.

1326
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:44,600
Organize them five stars if one star is whichever day you want to see it's perfect run to me.

1327
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:46,600
Let's get on it.

1328
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:51,600
That's been the polarizing review section if we want to close that up.

1329
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:59,600
I'm my final note would would be it's nothing new that we really discovered there beyond.

1330
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:15,600
There are real defenders from the audience in a way that's like yeah almost yeah like that kind of cult status cult classic sort of status and for people who really love the sci-fi book and the story.

1331
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:26,600
That'll go a long way but then there's a lot of them that just go very wrong and people like reject it like like poison like fucking dark tower or some bullshit like.

1332
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:36,600
And that's like a fucking however long how many books are in that like seven or whatever and they try to make one movie to wrap it all up like that's and that's offensive.

1333
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:39,600
I would be outright like mad at that.

1334
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:55,600
This is not that they really wanted it to be like the book and there's a lot that shows through and then there's a lot of production meddling and unfortunately is highlighted throughout but there's a lot of positive things that come through that I.

1335
01:44:55,600 --> 01:45:10,600
It's cool to see it last around through time and that there's audience members that are coming back to this movie obviously leading into the modern remake but this in my opinion like has its place and it's cool to hear a polarizing

1336
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:33,600
opinion from this point in time where this one movie does really fit our podcast as well where it's people have a lot of feelings about it and the story about it has just become so clear that all the drama is easy to have a conversation and have fun getting into how it all went down kind of like how they did with

1337
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:50,600
Joe Dorosky's Dune or Island of Dr. Moreau or whatever this however being real as opposed to Joe Dorosky's and also better than Dr. Moreau for sure for a lot of reasons and you can still see a young David Lynch shining through a blockbuster it's a weird

1338
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:56,600
anomaly that's never gonna happen again it's it's so glad we got to talk about it.

1339
01:45:56,600 --> 01:46:02,600
You mind if I just carry on until like my my score.

1340
01:46:02,600 --> 01:46:10,600
I've kind of started already with my my thoughts there and set set design sound design.

1341
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:12,600
Costumes.

1342
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:17,600
There's a there's a fair amount of dialogue that's lifted right from Frank Herbert.

1343
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:33,600
There's earnestness with this movie where sometimes it comes across as fully intended how it's supposed to be in and played very well as good other times it could be a so bad it's good if you want to go that direction because it we've talked about this many times too

1344
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:48,600
and it's like if it has an earnestness and it's trying to do something and it's committed to a vision it's going to be entertaining in its own way to and David Lynch knows how to make something visually entertaining the things that pull it back are that

1345
01:46:48,600 --> 01:47:05,600
I think the voice thing was driving me fucking crazy at a certain point because there'd be a time like that's kind of cool that I had another layer to this conversation that like I didn't fully it maybe wasn't fully present or something like oh that person's holding something back but then there's other times or it's just like

1346
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:23,600
I want that sandwich I'm kind of hungry and it just or I would say something was very obviously already happening and for to have something so over explained in the first half every little tidbit to throwing all of that out in the final portion and not explaining

1347
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:43,600
anything and just like I have to drink the water I have to fight back I have to take you the Fremen under my wing and do the really fucks this movie up and holds it back from being like really great but I still think it's a good movie I like this movie and it's

1348
01:47:43,600 --> 01:48:01,600
fun and it's an adaptation of like a of a story that that I like and overall I yeah I have a good time watching it and then it just doesn't stick the landing so it's that's where I have a tough time but after watching it again I

1349
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:21,600
got through it in a way that like was was not a dragon and I and I overall enjoyed my time so it's definitely going to be positive for me I'm going to go with

1350
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:38,600
I'll go 73 it's a fresh it's a fresh movie it's a movie that has a lot that I would give it credit for and it's a movie that I don't see this being my last time watching it I feel like there might be another time we're all throw this

1351
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:54,600
this dude on whether it be a Barbara L situation and I just want to watch a grasshopper folding space time while I you know I'm in a party and talking to someone or something you know it's it's I think it deserves I'm glad that it exists I'm

1352
01:48:54,600 --> 01:49:13,600
sad that David Lynch had such a bad time and he regrets doing it but it's it's interesting anomaly in that way where it's like I the the fans kind of takes a ownership now or it's like no we like it and we take it and we enjoy it but that being said yeah this new one is like a 10 out of 10 so it's

1353
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:27,600
the material goes a long way for me but the artistry and the movie making side of it of the new man I'm so excited for part two me too man

1354
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:32,600
um what do I say

1355
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:39,600
the back half of this movie brandini muadib muadib

1356
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:49,600
the back half of this movie really sucks for me I really did not enjoy it a lot of the special effects are really shitty

1357
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:51,600
and

1358
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:52,600
it's

1359
01:49:52,600 --> 01:50:04,600
yeah it's really kind of unforgivable if I were to just you know I'm giving a score for this entire movie right and how what I think it deserves and how I feel about it

1360
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:13,600
I think it is a good bad movie but it is a bad movie and there are some really crazy things in it that were enjoyable to watch

1361
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:15,600
but

1362
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:17,600
not

1363
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:25,600
I would say those are lesser than things about the movie that I didn't enjoy so

1364
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:32,600
yeah I would just I'm feeling a 55% is is where yeah man that's fair you know

1365
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:42,600
it's it's an interesting oddity I would suggest people check it out but I can understand if you if anybody who does check it out doesn't like it because there's yeah

1366
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:48,600
it's a lot of pacing problems I didn't like it the first time I saw it too I think I fell asleep

1367
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:56,600
yeah same or like probably one of the third times I tried to watch it um yeah so I'm gonna give it a 55

1368
01:50:56,600 --> 01:51:04,600
excellent very fair score and this was one of those were the there's almost too much to talk about and it's hard to

1369
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:10,600
tailor it all in and I'm sure it's well tread territory a lot of people talking talking doing these days

1370
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:16,600
but I hope you guys have enjoyed your time here it's been a lot of fun and fun for me

1371
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:22,600
if you're curious what we're doing next time let me tell you right now

1372
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:34,600
we're jumping into space time into 2001 where we're gonna get a little trippy dippy as well

1373
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:46,600
and it is a polarizing movie for sure it will go down in our lore as a legendary polarizing movie in my mind it is Cameron Crows vanilla sky

1374
01:51:46,600 --> 01:51:56,600
starring Tom Cruise a critically rated 43% on Rotten Tomatoes an audience favored 72%

1375
01:51:56,600 --> 01:52:06,600
if you have not heard of vanilla sky if you have not seen vanilla sky I'd recommend you join us for this one

1376
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:14,600
I think it's gonna be an excellent episode I believe we're gonna have a very special guest it's gonna foster a lot of interesting discussion

1377
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:22,600
I'm excited to watch it again only seen it once and I just remember it being weird

1378
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:28,600
we love a weird movie love a weird movie love a weird guy

1379
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:32,600
like brandini here yeah like me weird guy

1380
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:44,600
if you like us weird guys join us next time for vanilla sky if you'd like to watch us live it's twitch.tv slash polarize pod we recorded these live

1381
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:51,600
you can see our dumb faces talking talking at you can see whatever clips we might have so maybe that gives you a better idea

1382
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:56,600
I still think that Sean Young home video is pretty great even audio is nice to listen to

1383
01:52:56,600 --> 01:53:06,600
if you want to send us a line at gmail.com slash polarize the pod is another place you can do it

1384
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:19,600
polarize the pod at gmail.com and if there's anything else brandini I think I'll just send these people on their way into the desert night

1385
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:21,600
I got one more thing

1386
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:24,600
get out of my mind

1387
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:28,600
alright everyone we'll see you next time

1388
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:54,600
bye bye