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Welcome to the polarized podcast.

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This is a podcast about movies, polarizing movies matter of fact,

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Sometimes audiences heat it or vice versa.

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Those are the movies that we cover on this pod to day and forever.

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So just buckle up.

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I'm one of the hosts of said pod.

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And right now I'd like to introduce my other host, my cohost.

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We also like to refer to him as the forever guest.

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Mr. James Lindsay.

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Hey, how's it going?

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Hey, how are you?

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It's me, James Lindsay, and you are the brandini.

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I am the brandini.

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And you know, I reintroduce you.

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I did the Uno reverse card.

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You know what?

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I would know you kind of know you know you know you know, you know,

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you're going to get. Now introduce.

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I actually kind of feel like a rusty刀.

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DQUE because I would also like to say.

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I haven't said yet.

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That's a new cocktail, but OK, so it's the newest cocktail.

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Hot as gock.

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Dowling town,

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we're talking to Charlie, Charlie, and theioca factory today.

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The 2005 timberton film score, 83% critics.

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51% audience.

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Pew, Pew, Stinky Stinky.

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You go on one side

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Ring a ding ding.

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Sign me up for more of that, please, from the critics on this one.

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From the critics.

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It's a critically favored movie.

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And I'll get into it later, but I did notice the Amazon Prime reviews

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were very positive in the audience side as well.

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So for whatever reason, on the round tomatoes, audiences like no spank you.

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Right. Oh, interesting.

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I wonder why. OK.

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Well, that's that's OK, but I don't get it either.

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And the thing that makes that makes sense, though, to me, what doesn't make

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sense is that the critics like this movie.

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Yeah, I would expect it to be switch.

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Wazy.

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Uh huh. Me, too, man.

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I definitely expected this to be switched.

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This is something we usually talk to talk about like a little bit later

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in the podcast, I feel like, but I'm curious, like, why you think that is

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like the critics were so down on this, you think they were still feeling

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that Tim Tim Burton, you know, sort of juice that the director

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is that hasn't didn't quite run dry at this point in terms of like

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things that were visually pleasing to the eyes and

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not completely all blown out with the green screen and CGI and everything.

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Because what was what was before Charlie on the Chaga factory?

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It was big fish.

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And I love that movie.

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That's grown to be that was like the most improved player on my Tim Burton.

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If I had a tier list or a ranking or whatever, big fish would because I

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I didn't see it when it came out and I kind of just wrote it off.

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And then I finally saw it.

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And I'm kind of glad that I waited till I was a little bit older to watch it

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because then it hit me like a fucking freight train.

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And a break every time I watch it.

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But that one, that one is one of his best ones for sure.

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And this one is, I think the beginning to the latter half of his career,

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I feel like it's is going to be like half of his movies look like this now.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And the other half look a little bit more like big fish because you're

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if you're telling me that's what's before this, this is like this is

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the dividing line between those two movies is is this how these two

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movies look completely different.

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Big big fish is a great dividing line because it is such a different thing.

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It's it's such a different movie in comparison to his other movies leading

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And kind of Oscar.

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Because it's very like sleepy hollow probably before that.

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Well, I planted a the age before that.

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But then and then I like that.

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Yeah, but then and then I like Sweeney Todd.

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I think Sweeney Todd does the visuals that this movie is trying to do better.

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gray darkness lends itself to just like being backdrop for that the

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the actors and the people to stand on the stage and sing their song.

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And that's that's the action in that movie for the most part.

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The couple slices in the couple days.

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Big big plot point there.

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I like Sweeney Todd too, man.

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I like the song from there.

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Brandini's Miracle Elixir.

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Little bit of high noon.

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Apparel spritz.

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Well, let's bank that one.

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Because I'm like, Bang, or I mean, the music there is not written the same.

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I was I was trying to think of like going into this because I think you and I

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I know I do.

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I relish the times when we get to have a musical to talk about on our podcast.

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Me too.

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And I feel like I've really grown to enjoy it.

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I've always I've always liked musicals and I've always like horror movies.

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I think being able to sit down and talk about them with you in this podcast

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have kind of made those genres I've loved even even more and more as and I feel like I've gotten to know both a lot.

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A lot more musicals and horror are completely different, but I've for those are a little bit of a blind spot.

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Some of like the more like essentials and I feel like I've grown those out a bit more and seen seen more of those kinds of movies since starting this podcast as well.

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And it's a bummer that starting this episode.

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Yeah, I was like, what song would I want to listen to?

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And I have this Augustus glup on on ready whenever we want to hear a little song if we want to.

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But it's like that's even starting from that base element and starting there and also inevitably we are going to compare it to the original.

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And if we're starting with we actually have another comparison that we're going to talk about as well.

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I'd be happy to lump that into this as well.

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The new Wonka movie which we've both seen and you know, we won't.

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There's nothing really intense to spoil.

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It has a similar ending to the curse and I won't say why for anyone who might be wondering.

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I haven't yet.

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And the reasons might surprise you.

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But the music of all three.

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I found myself thoroughly just charmed by the new one and the music that they instilled in that one was.

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Subtle and not to show to any way that was taking away from the more innocence and purity of the characters and everything.

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It seemed to be more like like the carnival sort of aspect to it a little bit of someone, you know, kind of rolling into town and and opening up as a fun house and all that stuff was.

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Really, really great and just like delicate like gentle soft music.

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This is just like.

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And then at five different songs on top of each other start start going and then the original which I watched again.

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I watched all three leading up to this recording and everything and I just yeah, you can't can't discredit how wonderful every single song except for cheer up Charlie.

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That's like the everyone has agreed upon skipping over that one.

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But even now when I have probably rather listen to over I still can like sing sing it and know a little bit of it rather than this one where it's like I can't even do let's let's do a little taste just because we've been talking about and we can get on with our our conversation.

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And we'll and then or if there's any other songs that that you're thinking of.

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Just shout them out, shout them out in the chat.

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The Veruca song was my favorite.

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Oh, is that one the one that kind of gets a little Beatles.

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Yeah, it gets a little bit of a little lamb glasses.

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You should be you should be wearing your glasses for that song.

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This is the whole lead up to a skip ahead a little bit here.

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Of course they haven't had a fresh audience in many more.

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This is a huge song.

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The introduction, you know, it's.

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It all looks terrible.

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This is a great big.

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So big and.

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The time is right.

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I don't know what it is.

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This one is like the least offensive to me, I feel like.

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I guess the Veruca one.

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Visually, it just kind of it's it's a.

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It's in my mind, it's these concepts.

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Art images that they.

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Storyboarded out with Tim Burton.

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And he had gotten to this blank check, if you will period in his.

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Era of filmmaking where they just looked at all the storyboards.

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We'll throw all the money at it to make it exactly.

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In your mind, how you want it to look.

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He had, he didn't need to cut any corners.

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He didn't need to get practical with too much.

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He did with other things.

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He spent a lot of money on getting practical with training

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squirrels, which we saw a little bit of before recording.

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So cookie.

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they just sort of like, yeah, make it.

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We'll make it happen in post.

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And I mean, there's there's some visual stuff in this movie that

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is cool.

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Like a lot of the stuff with.

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Charlie's house.

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Oh yeah, I like that.

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I think the factory exterior is interesting.

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It just doesn't go with.

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Christopher Lee's house in the snow.

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Yeah, there's there's some stuff visually in this.

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And but I agree with you, regardless about, you know,

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this is a point in his career where, and I mean,

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just to speak to him in general is like, he started as like an

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animation guy, like he was, you know, his whole stick has been

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the visuals of the visuals of a Tim Burton movie are very

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distinct and stylized.

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Yeah, it's been, yeah, super stylized.

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It's just Colin Carter.

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It's just, you know, it's what he's about.

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And that definitely is on display here in the movie,

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but man, there's just also times where it's a blank

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checkpoint of it.

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It's like.

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Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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It was going to start getting into this, the movie plotting of

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it. But before I do that, I mean, I just want to establish

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between the two of us of like, when you think about a successful

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Wonka movie now at this point, like you've brought up naturally,

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the songs being a big part of it, you know, mind you, this comes

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from a kid's book.

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when you're, I guess, adapting this into a movie, but because of

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the very first one with Gene Wilder, like it's now a staple of

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it, that it is a musical by and large, which then I just, I

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think really well, reaches its actualization in the newest one

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that is very much, it is the most musical of all of them.

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sense that like major plot points kind of get sung and the and

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those songs are like big and fun and go into character stuff and

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really, really hits the like, it hits the spot, it hits the mark

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on if you think Wonka is because of who he is as a character,

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you know, him being this like magical ringleader,

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just, yeah, like larger than life, kooky character.

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the early one, why you would think music would be a good fit for

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this because him being a ringleader type person would be, you

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know, kind of conducting this whole like, oh, and now this song

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and now that song and all of that.

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But other, you know, kind of Wonka is some of the

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isms or things a Wonka movie should have to is the

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it's like the factory of it all, like how the chocolate is

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getting made.

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maybe like really highlighting what candy means to children,

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what candy means, like how it fits in the world and establishing

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that.

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And then I mean, the first one was it was very cynical in that

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way and had a lot of the dry British humor that I had forgotten

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about.

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Right.

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And then it was kind of, it was fun.

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A few years back, I went to the Hollywood Bowl here in Los

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Angeles and went and saw an orchestra playing the music live

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to the movie as I watched it in a, you know, a beautiful amphitheater

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and they passed out little cards, scratch and sniff cards and

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you would scratch and sniff.

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There would be like, OK, now scratch your card at this moment.

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You would smell like something.

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Oh, my God.

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And then like, Snausberries, of course, and you scratch a

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Snausberry and smell like Snausberry is very fun.

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What was my what was my bigger, bigger point?

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I forget.

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Chocolate candy in the movie.

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Like, oh, just that.

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Oh, just that I had forgotten that this like this, the cynicism

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and the consumerism in the satire that had been prevalent in

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that original one that it was poking at because there's this

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whole montage when it's announced that about the tickets of

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everyone just going bananas for it and then shaming Charlie at

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school and all that stuff.

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And then like the counterfeit ticket and everything and the

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slug worth stuff, which isn't the slug worth thing isn't a

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thing in this one.

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It just they kind of.

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Right, right.

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Yeah, your slug worth being like the other chocolate.

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Yeah.

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And then that's like the trick that Willy Wonka plays it

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because it's not actually slug worth.

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It's just him testing them to see if they're trustworthy.

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And then at the end like spies because there's that whole, you

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know, part of the movie where, yeah, and then it gets into it.

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It gets more into the father thing with Willy Wonka in this one,

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which that's that I think that's the interchangeable kind of

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stuff there.

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And where the first one jumping head, but how it just fucking

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like ends in this like just most joyful, the happiest moment

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right at the very end, like all everything is wrapped up so

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fucking quickly, like he gets mad at first, you know, and he's

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like, you stole fucking fizzy lifting drinks and you signed a

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contract, you get nothing, nothing good days, sir.

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I love that.

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And he has all like half stuff in his office.

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Sorry, I was talking about this movie, but and then they launch

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off the glass elevator.

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He's just like, can my family stay not like, I don't know.

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I didn't have a good fire.

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I don't have a good relationship with my father.

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So that's going to be that's going to be a whole another 20

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minutes to the movie because I don't I'm not a well adjusted

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person.

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But and Gene Wilder is like, well, of course, Charlie, more

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the merrier and then take with me and you'll be in a world of

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pure imagination.

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And then it's like, oh my God, I feel the best after this

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movie flying off on a glass elevator to the song and everyone's

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going to be leveling living happily ever after.

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And in Charlie and Charlie and the chocolate factory, he's

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just like, fuck your family, you know, and then he's then they

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separate and then they got figured their own shit out and come

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back together to the avail of, you know, Willie Wonka as a

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character and getting more into his backstory, which there is a

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way to do it.

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Wonka does it to me.

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Like, but that's like, but that's like, but that's propelling

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the story forward in a way and not looking back too long because

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and with Wonka and Timothy Chalamet, like there's definitely

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backstory, but it doesn't dwell on it in a way that hinges like

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hinges the movie up in the third act, which is what is what

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happens in this one.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, to me, the reason for the father stuff and the way

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that it's portrayed, which is it's yeah, it was so crazy to watch

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this movie, Charlie and the Chakra Factory and be like, oh, so

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everything we're going to tackle the father stuff and just

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tack on the father stuff.

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It seems like it's interspersed.

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Absolutely.

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In the movie, but what is like the actual conflict in the

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resolution are all tacked on at the end and and the conflict is

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so like basic and obvious of like, right?

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Oh, he had a father, a dentist father that hated chocolate.

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Oh, big surprise.

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Like I was just so obvious and I get that it's I don't know,

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maybe it's like a folk tale or whatever.

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So I can get a good turn trying to try to play it out and

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everything.

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And like, oh, he's trying to teach him a lesson about how bad

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candy was and he was just such a villainous sort of evil and

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all that, but he ended up being proud at the end.

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And I just didn't do much for me because it was so like tacked

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on and just hit the very flat basic notes of like, oh, he

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hated him and now he's proud of him like or he chocolate and

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kid love chocolate and made it his whole life.

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And now the father's proud of it.

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I don't know.

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It's just very basic.

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Not worth it.

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Yeah.

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But it's it's also representative of Tim Burton, like ethos and

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where he's coming from because it is, you know, so relate.

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It's like the most him Burton like himself in the movie like

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Edward Scissorhands like Edward Scissorhands where, you know,

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Tim Burton grew up as essentially an emo kid to a father who

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didn't understand him and then our goth kid.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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I guess he's pretty easy.

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People might come out to me for that.

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Maybe just punk, punk in general.

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He's a little punk.

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He's a little but nonetheless, like different, you know,

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cool.

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His dad would have described him as like a weird or different kid.

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And it is something that I obviously has been such a major

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influence in Tim Burton's life as, you know, the reason that he

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has these very dark and morose, like aesthetics to his movies is

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because of this being a misunderstood, you know, creative

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type that, you know, essentially grew up with.

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I think his dad was like a salesman or, you know, some,

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some like office corporate job.

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Yeah.

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He definitely has ideas about, you know, 50s, ideal, like American

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Dream sort of America and, and doing griffs on that for sure.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So I mean, and it's so interesting to think about all three of

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the movies coming from the like director, like what the director

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cares about and how that manifests itself in the movie because

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with the Wonka movie, it is just so clear the place that like

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the voice, like where it's coming from and what it believes

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about or how it views the world.

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And it just has such a more like, not optimistic, but it has

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such a more like bursting with joy.

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Which one, the newest one or the newest one?

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Definitely.

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Optimistic.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, and it's dealing with their sad stuff and that

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one for sure, too.

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There is for sure.

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The sad stuff.

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The thing is poignant and they handle it very delicately.

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They handle it so fucking well in my mind.

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Like all of the stuff that about his mother and the Wonka

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movie, the new one, like just wanting to be this person that

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has, you know, like living up to expectations from a parent

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and like, you know, what that means and reconciling with

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your own destiny.

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Just wow, really crushes a lot of that where by the end of it,

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it just had me in the palm of its hand where I was like so into

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the.

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I was so behind Wonka.

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I was so on his side.

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And this movie I am not on Wonka side at all.

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He's weird, mean, just crazy, unlikeable.

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At this point to propagate and to have him portray himself

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like that and then go into his character even more so than the

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Gene Wilder one just gets it backwards and wrong in a way

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because yeah, it really does seem reverse where Gene Wilder

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is seems like approachable.

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But then once once you get into it with him, it's like almost

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like, are we having two different conversations right now?

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Or but his eyes are gentle and he's smiling.

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But then you realize the content of what he's saying and

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everything that he's doing is kind of just like, oh, he's kind

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of like treating me like or like deep down like he doesn't

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he's being a little stinker and he's fucking with me and he's

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goofing, but he's doing it in like a tongue-in-cheek sort of fun.

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Like we're saying like a like a like a hooligan and a circus or

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something like a ring ringleader and just doing a little fun,

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fun tricks.

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And but then there is this there is a coldness and then and

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there's a calculate calculated sort of way of his being as

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well.

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But then it all falls down at the end and I'm restating that in

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that one because when it does, he is so joyful and happy and

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that's what's inside and he's willing to show that vulnerable

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side.

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But this is who Willy Wonka is through and through on this one.

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So when he's showing you showing you cold and calculated on

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the outside, he is that on the inside as well.

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And there is no difference in that the end when he does just

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like, no, this is just who he is and who he's been.

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And to take that character and to try and get into him more is

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just upsetting when Gene Wilder is like, I would rather get into

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him more Gene Wilder, but I like the mystery of it all.

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And even with this one, it's like with how weird this guy is,

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you would just be like, yeah, let's just be satisfied with the

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fucking mystery of how weird this dude is.

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We don't really need to get to know any more about it or whatever.

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Like even seeing him and like the head gear and then the normal

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sort of town and all that stuff.

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I'm like, really?

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I don't know.

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You seem like you came from the moon.

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Like, no way.

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Like you just grew up like down the street.

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Get out of here.

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Like what?

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Like you know, I'm not satisfied with this explanation.

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You know, we get a little bit of him going to the Oompa Loompa

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Land and get some of that.

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Yeah, it's I kind of remember that.

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I just remember so much of the release of this movie and going

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to see this movie in the theater.

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Weirdly from a big deal.

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It was such a huge deal growing up because it was an issue.

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And I don't remember.

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But yeah, like it'd be it being pitched as this darker Wonka

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movie and getting into, you know, generating excitement in

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our demographic because it's not going to be a kid's movie.

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It's going to be like a dark, you know, darker take on something.

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And.

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So where the emo thing makes sense.

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So you said earlier, because all the hot topic kids were just,

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you know, jumping for joy.

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Jumping for joy.

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Yeah.

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But man, it's so weird.

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The guy who did Corpse Ride.

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Oh, no.

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Oh, it's my favorite movie.

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Yeah.

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But it's isn't it so interesting like watching a movie like this

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now at a later point in our lives.

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Where that stuff sucks.

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It's like kind of grading for it to just be so.

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Like edge lordy a little bit.

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It's overcompensating a bit.

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Right.

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It's.

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It's so there.

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There's such a weird unassuredness of itself of like,

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what do we care about?

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Do we care about anything?

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Like, and just that kind of almost that conundrum that I'm,

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that, you know, goth and emo kids run into.

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It's like, you want love.

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We all want love.

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But then the way that you express it is like, well, you can't,

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you know, I've been burned so many times or such a complicated

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relationship with just other human beings.

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So I don't know how to express that.

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But I think, you know, you really just get an idea.

499
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,360
Like it's very Edward Scissor hands.

500
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:58,360
Like here is a guy that, you know,

501
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:04,360
wants to find connection, but doesn't know how.

502
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:05,360
And it doesn't.

503
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,360
And it's kind of both Edward Scissor hands and Vincent Price in

504
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:09,360
that movie.

505
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,360
Because he's like the factory owner and like the boy in a way.

506
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:13,360
I don't know.

507
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:14,360
Oh, totally.

508
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:15,360
Yeah.

509
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,360
Like just like Tim Burton.

510
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:18,360
Yeah.

511
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,360
So this movie.

512
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:21,360
Yeah.

513
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,360
I mean, how did you think that opening montage looked at the factory

514
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,360
making of the chocolate?

515
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:28,360
Oh, I mean, it's so Tim Burton.

516
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:31,360
It's this fucking music at that point.

517
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:32,360
Really.

518
00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:34,360
No, it's it's music at that point.

519
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,360
It felt like Mars attacks.

520
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:37,360
Yeah.

521
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,360
There was like a lot of the, I guess it's a naturally a

522
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,360
Theraman like.

523
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:47,360
Like where you like like this is a cookie movie about to watch.

524
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,360
The effects are very of the time.

525
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,360
And it.

526
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,360
Yes.

527
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,360
They don't look great now.

528
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,360
Do not really hold up.

529
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,360
Yeah.

530
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,360
No.

531
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,360
And I think the biggest problem with them.

532
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,360
It sucks that it's all like automated chocolate being made and

533
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,360
everything here just like.

534
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,360
Right.

535
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,360
Yeah.

536
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,360
I mean, it's like, it's like, it's like,

537
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,360
it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like,

538
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,360
it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like,

539
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,360
it's like automatic meshing.

540
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,220
It's like, it's like, it's like because I've been just upload

541
00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:15,560
the machine, right?

542
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,880
Yeah.

543
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,080
It's newspaper.

544
00:29:17,580 --> 00:29:19,360
And you get all these hot dogs.

545
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,560
And you like trackers.

546
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,500
And you know, he really, you get all this fucking,

547
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:27,360
this dude has pullers, all the hot dog dressing.

548
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,360
Okay.

549
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,000
But shit.

550
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,360
So, so shit.

551
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,360
It's beneficial.

552
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,800
And it's bearish man.

553
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,260
So, so shit,某ets,me 겁니다,

554
00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:36,360
I don't think I remember the game is so intense.

555
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,360
So, this car guy.

556
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Yeah.

557
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,440
So it's just everything is everything is not grounded to the world.

558
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,040
It's just here's a conveyor belt going into blackness.

559
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:53,520
Here are things holding a thing spinning around to no end, essentially.

560
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,640
And it just sets you in the mood of this movie.

561
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,680
I guess, but man, off from from the beginning, I'm like, I do not care for the vibe of this.

562
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,480
Where, again, yeah, like you said, it's just it's so cold.

563
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,120
It's so CGI.

564
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,680
But the Danny Elfman score, right?

565
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,440
It's kind of cool.

566
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,720
If, yeah, if you're into the Danny Elfman of it all, it's it's bank.

567
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,000
It's like it's a very quintessential Danny Elfman score.

568
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,880
Like it's it's in that in the most.

569
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:29,920
Yeah.

570
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,720
It's like an exacting sort of sort of way.

571
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,240
And I just thought it sounded a little extra terrestrial at some point with some

572
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,880
of those those noises, but it's bringing you into the vibe of the movie.

573
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,480
And then you get to the house, which is like conceptually

574
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,880
like looks really cool as a shot of like all these uniform buildings, which is just

575
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,240
like, yeah, like a lot of gray and it's kind of drab and it's boring.

576
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,160
Like it's rough to rough to look at, but it's almost worth it to see

577
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,920
like the contrast of Charlie's house amidst it all is like.

578
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,400
I get the idea that he's he's trying to elicit.

579
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,800
And that is like the Edward Scissorhands of like all these little boxes of houses.

580
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,120
Then there's just one weird fucked up one or there's a castle way up on a hill.

581
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,320
And this is where this character is.

582
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,840
And,

583
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,800
yeah, and you know, you get the his take on on the grandparents in the bed.

584
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:31,720
And having celery soup and Helen Abonnam Carter killing it.

585
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,280
I don't know. We got Grandpa Joe got you.

586
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,680
He's pretty good. I don't can't say I was.

587
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,320
Joe, he's my favorite part of the movie.

588
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,960
I can't recall him from much else.

589
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:49,560
I like his his stories of being the in the worker in the factory.

590
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,680
I like that moment.

591
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,560
I thought that was good.

592
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,480
Like getting a little I like that idea of getting glimpses of Wanka.

593
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,120
I don't want all like the backstory of him growing up in Daddy Dentist.

594
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,920
Just like, yeah, he gave me this chocolate that turned into a fucking bird in my mouth.

595
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,320
And just like, oh, that gives me just a little little something to to go off of,

596
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,120
you know, like to titillate my the mystery of it all.

597
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,160
And then the other thing that I thought was really funny this time.

598
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,840
And I remember in I recall in the theaters, people laughing to you of

599
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:27,000
he's like, OK, go out and buy me a bar of chocolate, Charlie.

600
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,600
And he's like, OK, I'll be right back.

601
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,240
He's like, OK.

602
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,680
And then slowly fades off into black.

603
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,120
Then Charlie's like, Grandpa, I'm back.

604
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,040
And then he just wakes up and he like cut the editing and the pacing of that.

605
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,640
It was perfect of him like falling asleep and waking up like

606
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,000
that really felt like taking a nap and waking up and being like, wait,

607
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,360
how much time passed with the hell?

608
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,200
That was great.

609
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,160
What the hell?

610
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,440
I mean, and his dance is a little like

611
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,840
me, did he do?

612
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,360
Oh, trust, I'm a big grandpa Joe dance fan.

613
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,840
Yeah. And it just goes to like why he in my mind is my favorite because he

614
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,880
provides actual joy and wonder.

615
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,280
I know that Charlie is relatively good about that and being like, oh, wow.

616
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,000
Like, oh, man, I like I love chocolate.

617
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,760
Like, I know life sucks, but like, man, you know,

618
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,040
I'm getting to share these little nuggets of

619
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,360
hmm, sweetness in life or, you know, or something to cherish and something

620
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,880
to strive to much better than original grandpa Joe.

621
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,960
Are you are you aware of the subreddit grandpa Joe hate?

622
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,800
Oh, no, of the original.

623
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,240
No, but I could understand why because he's kind of a commotion.

624
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,640
There's a whole subreddit of people just dunking on grandpa Joe and telling

625
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,680
how shitty of a person he is and oh, you got the golden ticket also.

626
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,000
You can get out of the bed and help out a little bit around the house.

627
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:53,880
Huh?

628
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:54,920
Oh, right.

629
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,040
Like, you kind of looks mean to this guy.

630
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,280
They were like using his using the money for his tobacco.

631
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,520
I said, motherfucker, like they haven't celery soup.

632
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,280
It's Charlie's birthday.

633
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,480
He needs a birthday.

634
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,120
It's Charlie's birthday.

635
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,640
No tobacco for you, grandpa Joe.

636
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,680
You stole was he was he lifting drinks?

637
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:18,440
Good day.

638
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,120
So I thought it was so funny when he was telling the story about working in the

639
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,360
factory to Charlie, he said he was a much younger man, but it's.

640
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:26,680
Yeah, that was good.

641
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:27,560
That was good.

642
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,440
Funny.

643
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,520
Yeah, I like that.

644
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:31,440
That's all that that lands.

645
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,640
That's a that typically is a joke that'll get me.

646
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,400
Somebody is in there in there.

647
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,360
Some good stuff, the visual stuff is good, and then the

648
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,760
the arc of the father, I thought, you know, was pretty good, too.

649
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,520
Of like him

650
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:54,360
to replace by the robot and then getting job fixing the robot.

651
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,240
That's fun.

652
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,720
Nice little arc for for him to like land on his own feet in his own way.

653
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,400
That was apart from the Willy Wonka and the chocolate and the chocolate factory

654
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,880
and all that stuff like they still got to take the house and live there and all

655
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,480
that stuff, but he was he's like, I'm going to go work at the toothpaste

656
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,320
factory right down the street.

657
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,080
You know, we keep each other in business.

658
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,440
Us too.

659
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,160
No, yeah, we got to we got a big, the biggest chocolate factory in the world

660
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,040
and a big toothpaste factory.

661
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:25,320
Where do they live?

662
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,400
Really, just why is everything so sad?

663
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:30,520
Oh, yeah.

664
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,680
And that's, you know, that's an interesting thing that you brought up earlier.

665
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:40,120
Because people steal commentary on the like England in that time.

666
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,080
Even though I don't know if they

667
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,040
do they see where they are like really in this movie?

668
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,480
It's England.

669
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,040
I mean, all the all the houses and everything like in the flats.

670
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:53,680
I don't know. It just it does

671
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,760
wreak of that, but it's just it's so like fake, you know, and you see.

672
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,160
And you see the original is just like he's just in a town and he's a normal kid.

673
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,600
Like, I don't know, this is this is like some

674
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,360
it's already telling you fantasy before you've gone into the chocolate factory.

675
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,440
It's already just screaming like this is some fantasy world

676
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:17,040
before you've even walked in the door and I like how normal everything is.

677
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:20,680
And I'm sorry, I'm I'm relating.

678
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,480
But even in the newest one, too, it's just like, you know,

679
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,200
in the shopping mall and magical things happen around them.

680
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,400
And there is a magic magic in the air magic between them.

681
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,560
And yeah, and there's like you and there's and it's all fun.

682
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,560
And it's it's all for fun.

683
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,120
And that's the biggest difference, right?

684
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,040
It'll bite you in the ass if you're an asshole occasionally, you know, whatever.

685
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,880
I mean, that and that's where this movie, in my mind, is the worst of the three,

686
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,080
because this movie isn't fun.

687
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:59,160
It is really pessimistic and just hates its characters.

688
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,920
Like, oh, it just it's so wild to me, you know.

689
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:12,920
That's that approach that a director can have on material,

690
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:18,040
because there is a place that it's coming from in, like,

691
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:23,600
like deciphering the text to the movie that you could get to that conclusion.

692
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,720
Because rural doll is kind of an asshole or is an asshole.

693
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,200
It was like a huge asshole.

694
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,600
Like I guess it came out like saying that he actually kind of hates kids.

695
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,080
But like what is it?

696
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,920
He's like he actually hates kids, but like he likes writing about kids to like

697
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,520
teach them not to be shits is like kind of the vibe that I got from him.

698
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,640
Like he knows how to write kids stories well, because he's like.

699
00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,880
Sees the bad behaviors that people exhibit as adults coming from being bad kids.

700
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,120
And he's able to just make those connections to like creating characters

701
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,400
in which that's like the case of creating these like shits of kids.

702
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,880
And like to tell other kids to be like that.

703
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:13,800
I know, right?

704
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,520
That whole situation is so crazy.

705
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,280
You know, they just like, yeah, which I'll write.

706
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,840
I'll write one for you.

707
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,520
You write one for me.

708
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:25,120
Hey, find you come over here and write one of my stories.

709
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,640
Yes.

710
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,440
Then being friends to him and the in Fleming, I am Fleming.

711
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:39,840
It's hilarious too, because it also speaks to their character, because it's both

712
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,280
British men who served in the army that are raging alcoholics and pessimists

713
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,800
after it and just have just such a

714
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,480
yeah, such a fucked up way of looking at the world.

715
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:57,840
But both are imaginative to you and found, I guess, what they were best at,

716
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,760
which it was.

717
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:03,920
I read the elevator sequel as a kid.

718
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,600
And I remember that being bonkers.

719
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,520
But I all I remember is that it was bonkers, but I don't remember too much.

720
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:14,560
I remember the grandparents they come along to and they just like travel the fucking

721
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:20,240
universe. It's weird and written by him as well.

722
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,600
Moving on in this movie,

723
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,840
Brandon's just walking away for a second, so I'll just lay out a little more plot

724
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,560
here so we get into the gold ticket of it all.

725
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,240
Oh, wait, there's this moment.

726
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:35,720
Brandon's back.

727
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,320
There's this moment when they're talking about Willie

728
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,360
Wanka, I think kind of before during like the first announcing of the golden

729
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,520
tickets where they and this just cracked me up so hard this time because this

730
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,000
movie had come out before this other movie when I used to watch this movie

731
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,920
Bunch on DVD.

732
00:39:53,120 --> 00:40:00,400
But after Walk Hard, the Dewey Cox story and that line about you can't.

733
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:05,560
Can't build you a house of chocolate or a little milk in the sun.

734
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,680
Son, and there's a whole sub story in this movie about about this.

735
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,080
And this must have been from the book to it just really felt like.

736
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,920
Yeah, just like builds a whole palace of chocolate.

737
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,040
He's like, well, you better start eating.

738
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,760
Right. And then they just now that was pretty.

739
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:24,760
It's just crazy.

740
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,120
It's like that was pretty practical.

741
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,120
You look in the background and there's like a fuzziness and a haze to some of

742
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,440
the stuff and there's the color correction.

743
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,040
It's fucking awful at this and gals in Wonderland is a whole nother level.

744
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,000
But this one at least has some like practical stuff.

745
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,560
But then they color corrected to make it all clean and it just ends up making

746
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,520
everything look like kind of shitty.

747
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,800
But watching some behind the scenes stuff today, man, they have this whole

748
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:56,680
fucking thing stage set up with a bunch of brown melting goo just coming off the

749
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,400
walls and them sitting right in the middle.

750
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,000
It was like this is like pretty much happening like practically.

751
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,560
That was that surprised me.

752
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,440
The stuff that was practical.

753
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,560
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of the craziest.

754
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,480
But that was a funny story.

755
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,920
And yet you cannot build a house and chocolate.

756
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,440
It'll melt in the sun.

757
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,080
It will melt in the sun.

758
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,040
Oh, that's just getting not if it never rain.

759
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:21,040
Not if it never.

760
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,680
I think I'm doing pretty well for a 14 year old with a wife.

761
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:24,680
OK.

762
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,240
But yeah, then we get the all the golden tickets.

763
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:33,400
I mean, this kind of goes by the numbers of the first one pretty well,

764
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,640
especially with all the violet stuff and like the fact like all the.

765
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,240
Yeah, all the girls like all the ladies like

766
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,560
unwrapping everything and that's like, yeah,

767
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,600
that behind the scenes stuff was just interesting.

768
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,760
A little bit of that were like there's a big room of all these people unwrapping

769
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,280
all these chocolates and there's just someone with a megaphone going one,

770
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:03,160
two, three, four, five, six, seven, because there's columns of people

771
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,480
taking boxes out, opening and then passing them and then moving to the next one.

772
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,440
And down the column of line of people, they want it all to be symmetrical

773
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,960
and uniform and everyone doing things at the same time.

774
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,600
So on three, you grab that box on five, you open the box on seven, you go to the next box.

775
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,160
So everyone down the line is all doing the same thing.

776
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,560
And that was pretty cool to see.

777
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,760
You know, this is a big operation.

778
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,080
I remember yeah, this movie coming out was just a big deal and to see some of

779
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,880
that stuff leading into it and Tim Burton taking on this this big thing is like,

780
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,920
yeah, must have been must have been a lot.

781
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,040
Yeah, and there's my TV, Augustus Gloop.

782
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:45,440
We got all our guys.

783
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,800
We got the who's the gum chewing glass?

784
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,840
Veruca.

785
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,760
That's Veruca.

786
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,520
And then by the way, Ruka and Violet Beauregard.

787
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:57,760
Yeah, Veruca with the gum chewing.

788
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,080
Her mom sent a lot of stuff.

789
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,480
I like her. Yeah.

790
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:01,840
A lot. She's funny.

791
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,080
She's a good actor.

792
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,800
She knows how to just do this.

793
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,960
These big eyes and smile that just.

794
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:12,160
Yeah, lights up a room.

795
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,560
She's got these eyes.

796
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:23,720
Yeah, I mean, they get into the factory and like the I love like the how about

797
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,120
that song when they.

798
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,040
And I might go barrel in too far too far ahead.

799
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:29,920
No, no, barrel through it.

800
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,720
I mean, yeah, remind me kind of another spy kids.

801
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,200
Flupas a man and help us save us moment.

802
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,600
Well, I can only like.

803
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,320
And then when you had the DVD and you started that bad boy up after you got to

804
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,800
the menu or like the menu would start to be like Willy Wonka, Willy Wonka.

805
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,640
And then they would like open up and be like, here's all the buttons.

806
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,480
Play special features and just be having that like playing in the background.

807
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,680
Like play the movie, play the movie.

808
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,400
I don't want to hear the song anymore.

809
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,640
Or you would watch the whole movie and fall asleep at the end or in the credits.

810
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,080
And then you'd wake up to the DVD menu.

811
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,800
Do you remember those days, Brandon?

812
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,800
I do. And you'd wake up to just like the loop of just like.

813
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,440
Willy Wonka or whatever the movie might be.

814
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:16,640
Oh, DVD.

815
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,480
Oh, DVD menus.

816
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,600
The days.

817
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,400
What a time.

818
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,240
That was something that.

819
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,200
Yeah, there's certain parts I remember being in the theater and having like

820
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,320
here, feeling people's reactions.

821
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,200
And that was with someone where people were like, what is this?

822
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,240
It's good. Yeah.

823
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,960
The same as everyone, all the other people, the characters on screen.

824
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,800
Everyone was just feeling the same thing in the theater.

825
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,680
I think of just like, oh, absolutely.

826
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,160
Hashtag random at the time.

827
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,560
Hashtag random.

828
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,280
Of course they would because Johnny Depp's performance is an insane,

829
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,360
insane performance.

830
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,200
Yeah, here we go.

831
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,200
He has a voice.

832
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,080
He has this whole him smiling in a like.

833
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,480
I don't understand.

834
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,960
Look.

835
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:11,360
The intro to him is wild to me because it is

836
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,760
the puppets or marionettes or whatever you would call them.

837
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,240
Yeah.

838
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,240
Just burning, just lighting on, getting lit on fire.

839
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,480
Very dark, very scary.

840
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,880
Even like his, his entrance is like, oh, this is a psychopath.

841
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,040
And I guess that's in Burns version of.

842
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:36,000
Walking normal and then falling, but getting back up and everything is fine is

843
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,920
a song and then burning down, but then it doesn't get back up and everything's

844
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,960
fine, it's just burns down.

845
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,800
And then the getting back up, I guess, is just like, oh, there's Willy Wonka.

846
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,480
And it's such a weird pacing of it all.

847
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:52,880
It is.

848
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,040
Because he's just pans over and he's just there.

849
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,240
Yeah, he's like standing next to him like, oh, isn't this so crazy?

850
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,240
Isn't this so funny and quirky that like who are you?

851
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,920
And he's like, yeah, it's me.

852
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,160
It's me. I'm Willy Wonka.

853
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,760
I almost made me feel like at the time I was like, is he just trying to do as much

854
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,240
opposite of Jack Sparrow as he can?

855
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,720
Right. Maybe that's being too like.

856
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,720
I don't know. Maybe that's simplifying it too much.

857
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,040
Because where is the inspiration coming from?

858
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,720
Because it definitely feels Michael Jackson.

859
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,720
Yeah, it does.

860
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,440
Like that's maybe that's too easy.

861
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,520
But it's just like bringing kids into his factory to never, never land.

862
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,560
I don't know.

863
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:38,640
Is that too easy?

864
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,440
And I remember people at the time because Michael Jackson and his,

865
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:48,480
as you know, almost at that time was like very much in the news and people were

866
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,440
talking about it. So to do a riff on him as a character was a take.

867
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,560
And I remember people being like, wow, he's just, yeah, he's doing like a Michael

868
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,480
Jackson thing.

869
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,120
Yeah, right.

870
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,720
Because I mean, this would have been around that time where it's like,

871
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:10,120
hey, you know, all the South Park shit, all the South Park stuff.

872
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,160
Yeah, he just he has.

873
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:17,080
Well, yeah, it's Johnny Depp is

874
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:24,400
really, really running with this character and performance and wanting to make it

875
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,360
very unique.

876
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:32,360
And I think a lot of that just has to do with the fact of like the gene wilder

877
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:39,920
trying to be, you know, gene wilder setting the standard and trying to elevate that.

878
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:44,400
You just have to go completely different, I think, is Johnny Depp's.

879
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,080
Or yes, I can't do that version any better.

880
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,760
So I have to go completely.

881
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,320
Yeah, yeah, completely, completely different.

882
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,640
But is it coming from Johnny Depp?

883
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,280
Is it coming from Tim Burton?

884
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,400
The idea and the whole

885
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,280
GUI center of who that who that character is and how they portray themselves and

886
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,120
the comedic timing of it all is like there.

887
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:15,840
And sometimes it hits, but mostly it's just uncomfortable and unsettling and not

888
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,080
fun to be around. He's not a fun character to be around.

889
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,720
And gene wilder, even when he is a prick, you know, like he'll say something and kind

890
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:31,160
of like, you know, yeah, like you can tell he's kind of an asshole.

891
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,040
But then that comes from a simple 10.

892
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:34,760
He's he's like a hermit or whatever.

893
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:41,680
He's like this weird, this weird eclectic dude that is doesn't relate with people.

894
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,760
But with Johnny Depp, he seems almost like.

895
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,800
And I don't know if it is.

896
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,080
Is he intimidating?

897
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,880
Is he just an office for sure?

898
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,160
Office like very standoffish.

899
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,120
Yeah, absolutely.

900
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:03,440
Like I get that idea of like he's never he never developed as a child and he never

901
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:09,000
grew up. So I think there's that idea of like he is still an adolescent in his mind.

902
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,840
And

903
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,800
but that's where that's where I think, yeah, again, it's still it makes me go back

904
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,640
to the Michael Jackson of it all because he gets the gray hair.

905
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,600
And when he gets that gray hair, that's the whole impetus for him to like make

906
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,640
the whole golden ticket thing is because he's got this gold, this gray hair.

907
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,720
And he's getting old and all that stuff.

908
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,800
And he doesn't want to get old.

909
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,120
I don't know. It's just it's it's bad shit.

910
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,680
I think it's it'll go down as like one of the most bad show performances

911
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,640
that was OK and put to screen by a fucking lot of money and a lot of people

912
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,440
that were all like,

913
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,320
yeah, I mean, it's Johnny Depp.

914
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,240
We got Johnny Depp on our movie.

915
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:51,400
He's Jack Sparrow.

916
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:52,560
He can do whatever the hell he want.

917
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,680
Everyone on Disney told us told him, hey, you can't do that.

918
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,120
Keith Richards impression for our Pirates movie.

919
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:58,960
That's bad shit.

920
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,680
And he's like, you got to trust me and it paid off.

921
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,920
So I mean, if you could do that for that one, then we just got got to be able to do

922
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,640
for this and Dark Shadows is going to work out great.

923
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,160
And everything's going to be more to Kai is going to be awesome.

924
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,280
We're going to love Johnny Depp forever.

925
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:15,760
Right. Absolutely.

926
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,200
Yeah. Believe in him.

927
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,400
He understands what this movie needs.

928
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,240
And Tim Burton, for that matter, too.

929
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,400
I mean, God, yeah, it's just it's hard to say no to a Johnny Depp.

930
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,560
Tim Burton, yeah, back together.

931
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:33,080
Because they just, you know, they they have a track record of success.

932
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,240
And so people are really, I mean, and again, just to bring it back,

933
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,720
like the critics enjoyed this performance.

934
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,400
I mean, we're kind of lauding it.

935
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,640
But I mean, the critics liked this performance.

936
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:49,760
They thought it was a unique and fresh take, essentially, of this character,

937
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:56,080
which is just baffling to me because.

938
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:01,240
Our problem with it is something I feel like is so simple and fundamental

939
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:08,480
when it comes to partaking this movie or partaking any movie is, you know,

940
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,920
whether or not the character, your main character,

941
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,560
ostensibly is likable or interesting.

942
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,680
And even though he has a lot of flash that would make you think he's interesting,

943
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,880
none of it has any backing substance to it.

944
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,240
It's just all kooky, sporadic nonsense at times.

945
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,720
Like you're just

946
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,920
more like a majority of this movie has like, wow, what a.

947
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,880
What a what a choice and not in a really a positive way.

948
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,640
It's like what a choice is in.

949
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,200
Yeah, like you're just making choices to make choices.

950
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,960
It's like a hat on a hat at times where I'm like, this.

951
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:50,720
Yeah.

952
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,360
Yeah, like I know you need.

953
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:58,280
You need to give us a little bit more here about.

954
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,240
How you actually feel wonka because it's just driving me nuts.

955
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:09,640
How impenetrable your mind seems to be in a lot of these situations where it calls

956
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:16,040
for you to be like, this is, you know, this is how I feel about these kids and whatnot.

957
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,640
It's like by and large, right off the bat, it's just I don't like them.

958
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,080
I don't really like anybody.

959
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,440
Everybody's weird.

960
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:29,520
I'm trying to be a normal person, but I can't be and just the more and more I

961
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:34,560
think about it, I just continue to just be so baffled by at least like Gene Wilder.

962
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:35,480
It seemed like a ball.

963
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:41,120
Gene Wilder and both channel may seem like they're trying to show something to

964
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:46,080
another person and in part something like, hey, let me like show you this world of

965
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:51,520
pure imagination, like going like maybe maybe I am a little cynical myself and

966
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,920
maybe I don't see the best in people always, but he's trying to give some of them

967
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,040
a chance at this moment in time.

968
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:01,040
And

969
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,840
the whole point of him bringing these people in, I don't know.

970
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:10,040
It's just, yeah, you never never get an idea that he's trying to to show them

971
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,200
it in like a way of like, look at how cool this is.

972
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:19,240
It's just like it seems like he's going through the motions in the tour and everything.

973
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:21,120
And he's just like, come on, let's let's go.

974
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,880
And he's just like so pleased with his own inventions.

975
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,640
And he has in no way like wants to see people's reaction to it or just like how

976
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,680
how like how what it makes people feel.

977
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,280
He's just

978
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,640
amazed by the engineering of it all and and all that.

979
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:39,560
I don't know.

980
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:45,400
It's it's just a it's a different take on a classic tale and it's very different.

981
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,520
And I get the point to want to make it extremely different.

982
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,960
But to lose the heart and soul and the fuzzy, gooey

983
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,200
center that was just put in another

984
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:06,480
version is just makes it that much clearer or that this one didn't do it completely

985
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,720
right and going through speaking of going through some of these motions, I don't know.

986
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,520
So we go through some of these these these kids and these the classic oompa

987
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:23,080
oompa you fucked up and now you must pay song and

988
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,400
the yeah, go up in the chocolate tube.

989
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,040
You heard a little bit of gloop gloop.

990
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:30,680
I guess it is gloop.

991
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:31,800
See now it's in my head.

992
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,680
OK, so that's pretty much all I can remember.

993
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:38,680
Goop, goop, that guy great performance from the oompa oompa.

994
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,840
He did a lot of work to do all those different oompa oompas.

995
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,480
And then oh yeah, I was going to say

996
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,720
Vice Roy, what about fucking yeah, Freddie Heimor?

997
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,480
What a find that guy that little kid in this time.

998
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,360
Yeah, little kid just like fucking amazing performance.

999
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,640
And then we get them back as a movie I love.

1000
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:01,400
A heartbreaking movie that I love is Finding Neverland that they are in together.

1001
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,080
And I think they're wonderful together in that movie.

1002
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,920
And that's subtle, subtlety in that and that performance

1003
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,960
by a Johnny Depp.

1004
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,280
I don't know, it's a it's a tearjerker, but I enjoyed it.

1005
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,720
And he was a little youngster in that one, too.

1006
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:22,920
And I remember he does a really good scene at multiple good scenes.

1007
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,480
But him crying just makes me so sad in that movie.

1008
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,320
So yeah, I just want to say that like he's he's awesome.

1009
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:30,160
He's good. Yeah.

1010
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:31,880
He's not the problem with this movie.

1011
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,160
He is.

1012
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,760
Everyone else is solid.

1013
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,040
Everybody else is solid.

1014
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:37,760
We I mean, come on.

1015
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,720
Come on.

1016
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:41,720
Count Dooku himself.

1017
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,320
Chocolate. What is all this chocolate doing here?

1018
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,880
And caramel, it will get stuck right in your teeth.

1019
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:56,440
Yeah, I like a lot of I don't really have too many complaints about the

1020
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,760
performances at all, like just looking through the cast list of,

1021
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:07,080
you know, the parents and the kids like everybody is solid in in what need what

1022
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:12,160
is needed of them. It's all to me, the problem of the writing and the direction

1023
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,520
is and Johnny Depp by and large.

1024
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:18,000
But even then, even if Johnny Depp had just been like

1025
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:23,640
Benny and June style Johnny Depp of like kind of like

1026
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,680
just a little whimsical little prankster kind of guy with like that would do kind

1027
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:33,200
of a dead bit deadpan sort of face, but he'd be doing funny stuff on top of it.

1028
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:37,400
This is like, yeah, what's going on?

1029
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1030
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1031
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,880
What a smiling and just going, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1032
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,040
The thing that cracked me up this go around

1033
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:53,960
for this movie, not much did, but the thing that was really funny that he kept

1034
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,360
doing was giving Mike TV shit for mumbling.

1035
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,400
Mumbling. Yeah.

1036
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:58,960
I thought that was pretty funny.

1037
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:00,160
That is funny.

1038
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,160
Right.

1039
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,600
Probably number center.

1040
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:08,480
Because it's another example of like, you know, his father's voice coming out.

1041
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,200
And just this.

1042
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:11,720
Yeah.

1043
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,960
And it's a little callback from the first movie, too.

1044
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:16,320
Hmm.

1045
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,040
Because like Gene Wilder at one one part in that movie is like, you should really

1046
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,920
speak up or something like to, I think, to my TV or something like that.

1047
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:24,920
But right.

1048
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,400
Something else he said in that movie.

1049
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:33,800
I would just like sweet is better, but liquor hits quicker or whatever that line.

1050
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,520
I completely miss as a kid.

1051
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,120
But that was like it cracked me up this time

1052
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,200
because he's just like he like uses some alcohol and parts of like making the chocolate.

1053
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,360
Or he's like, why do you want to the adults is like, why do you do that?

1054
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,360
He's like, I got to find that line.

1055
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:49,040
Continue.

1056
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,000
I can find it.

1057
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:51,360
No, no, no.

1058
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,040
So the kids, yeah, all of them are getting

1059
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,840
off one by one.

1060
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,280
All of the sets for each room.

1061
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,600
It's very timid. Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.

1062
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,800
Oh, any just like whispers that to the one of the dad's.

1063
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,200
No, I was like, wait, what?

1064
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,120
That's good.

1065
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:20,480
It's just want to like get drunk with fucking Gene Wilder as well.

1066
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,480
OK.

1067
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,520
Oh, Gene Wilder.

1068
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:24,800
This is all right.

1069
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,400
The man is the goat.

1070
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,880
Yeah, sets in the chocolate factory, pretty stunning at times.

1071
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:39,840
It's just fraught with, you know, scenes will either in transit or certain scenes

1072
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:46,120
just in general are very CGI when they're in places of the factory where there are

1073
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,040
like machine actual machines and they're interacting with it.

1074
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,600
It's great, but.

1075
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,760
It's just but nonetheless, it's always an

1076
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:59,600
escapable, this like weird sheen that is on stuff like all of the kids' faces

1077
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:09,600
look plasticy and it's dark and yeah, just God, the visual fucking language.

1078
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:15,480
Spatial like design between everything is like there's a lot of space between everything.

1079
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:21,680
And like you were saying, I really like how you described the opening montage, how like.

1080
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,760
Construct like how it's constructed doesn't make any logistical sense.

1081
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,720
And everything just like goes into a void.

1082
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,960
And that's why it's all storyboarded to me.

1083
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,480
It's just like whatever that little image that Tim Burton wanted to look like,

1084
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,440
it just has to look just like that doesn't need to make any sense.

1085
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,080
It could be an Escher painting for all we care.

1086
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,880
Escher painting is it can it just as long as it visually like has his style or whatever.

1087
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,520
But even in like walking into the chocolate water found thing, I don't know.

1088
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,240
It's like there's there's the bright green and the red and there's like this

1089
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,760
in curving green passers of edible grass and all that.

1090
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,520
But then you look in the background with yet it's just like still the gray

1091
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:06,760
warehouse factory walls and like, yeah, the fuzzy green effect or whatever.

1092
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,600
And.

1093
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:09,480
I don't know.

1094
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,680
Some of those some of those little candies they're eating looked pretty,

1095
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,840
pretty fun, but then it like.

1096
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,560
Yeah, it's just that everyone's mean to each other.

1097
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,440
And they like and they bully poor Charlie and just like I'm not having.

1098
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:24,960
This is supposed to be the fun.

1099
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,840
Everyone's having a good time thing and.

1100
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:28,840
Poor Char.

1101
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,880
We'll cheer up, Charlie.

1102
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:41,320
There's a big blueberry girl, you know, you got to have that big blueberry girl.

1103
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:47,360
Mike, Mike TV goes into the TV that that set was I thought was pretty cool.

1104
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,200
Interesting. Well, yeah, especially that 2001 pretty similar.

1105
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,200
Yeah, 2001.

1106
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,560
Oh, my pretty similar to the original where the Wonka bar is the

1107
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,920
what is that called the black spire black pillar?

1108
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:58,520
What do they call it?

1109
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,200
Black obelisk, I think is obelisk.

1110
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,880
I think and then so yeah, 2001 callback,

1111
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:10,880
which is so weird to think about from like a kid who's like playing video games

1112
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,080
that like I don't know.

1113
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:13,120
Yeah, it's weird.

1114
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:18,720
I think you'd want to update that a little bit because it's not like you're

1115
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:25,360
in, you know, it's one of those things like kids are just like it's being like

1116
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,440
2001 space. Oh, Kubrick.

1117
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:28,680
Yeah, I love Kubrick.

1118
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,520
I'm seven years old.

1119
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:32,360
Yeah, that's what the kids are watching.

1120
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,120
Kubrick films.

1121
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,520
Mike TV almost looks like he's space baby.

1122
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:37,520
I get it.

1123
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,320
All right.

1124
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:45,320
Yeah, it's just that fucking fuzz on this movie drove me nuts where everybody

1125
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:51,680
just, you know, obviously it kind of helps the poor CGI because everything looks so

1126
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:57,280
CGI, but then it's yeah, it's really a drag by the middle end of this movie where

1127
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,160
you're like, yeah, nothing seems real.

1128
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:06,560
Even though there are cool real stuff and like machines in scenes, it just can't.

1129
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:07,200
Yeah. Tim.

1130
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:07,560
Yeah.

1131
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,280
I mean, we were from doing this like, yeah.

1132
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:14,720
With Violet, we mentioned the squirrels and that's a situation where you spend

1133
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,280
all this time getting all these squirrels all trained up and everything.

1134
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,080
And then you mix them with some fake squirrels and some CG squirrels and then

1135
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,680
cover it with this color correction.

1136
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,920
Everything just ends up looking the same.

1137
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,200
And so all those real squirrels, I don't know.

1138
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,360
I guess it it it must have helped because if they were all CG, it would have looked

1139
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,320
much worse, so it did help a bit.

1140
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:40,400
But it just it's a bummer that all that hard work and effort

1141
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,080
isn't as on display as I would want it to be.

1142
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,080
It's like, you know, need to see the seams of everything necessarily, but just to

1143
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,920
be like, wow, that's that's a real squirrel there.

1144
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:50,880
You know, like, I don't know.

1145
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,800
Those are all real squirrels or or whatever.

1146
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,440
It just that and that was clear in his older movies.

1147
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:57,960
That's the thing.

1148
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:02,920
It's like, that's not impossible to have because he's done that in his career.

1149
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,520
And when you want something to happen like in Beetlejuice, it's like, yeah,

1150
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,080
and they open the door and there's a big fucking worm out there.

1151
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,080
And it looks like this.

1152
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,520
And it's like, we'll make that happen.

1153
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,760
And, you know, now it probably, you know, in that that you look at that now.

1154
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,400
And back then it's dated, but it has a style and it looks cool.

1155
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,920
And it looks like singular and unique to itself and everything.

1156
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:29,600
And this looks so uniform and planned and

1157
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:36,640
monotone in a lot of ways that that's the the upsetting thing to see his creative

1158
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,280
juice is being pushed into these

1159
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,560
conceptual nightmares where I would I would I would I would appreciate where I'm

1160
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,600
like more collaboration or something.

1161
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:54,400
I don't know what is the is the answer or it's or it's

1162
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,280
it's totally fine.

1163
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:02,680
And I don't know he's able to make exactly what he wants to make.

1164
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,520
And sometimes it's things like a Frankenween or something, which is solid too.

1165
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:09,320
And then I don't know.

1166
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,480
And then that was just like seeing all of them walking out of the factory after

1167
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,880
with the music after them flying over the glass elevator.

1168
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:22,040
Just like, yeah, things are weird and everyone's changed and everyone's worse

1169
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,960
off coming out of this factory.

1170
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,160
And it's it's not a great feeling.

1171
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:29,840
I feel like we kind of covered a good

1172
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,880
amount of like the father stuff that happens at the end here.

1173
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:38,240
So oh, there's the like is it twice that it happens where he just runs into the

1174
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:39,440
glass elevator door?

1175
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,640
I remember as a kid thinking that was hilarious.

1176
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,760
It's pretty funny now, but it is funny.

1177
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:49,080
Yeah, I was getting in the second time just like he's using mid conversation.

1178
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,520
It's kind of like, OK, let's go and we're going to do it.

1179
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,440
And he does kind of have that bookish accent.

1180
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,280
Is that it? Like the vampire's kiss, Nicholas Cage of like,

1181
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,400
it puts you put the paper in the file.

1182
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,280
A B C D.

1183
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:05,760
Yeah, absolutely.

1184
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:11,320
Like, yeah, very well read, very articulate, but in a way that's like nerdish.

1185
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:12,160
Yeah, let's see.

1186
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:13,080
Let's see. Yeah.

1187
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,240
He's got these.

1188
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:16,480
I don't know.

1189
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:17,320
I don't know.

1190
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,200
We'll never see seeing another thing like it.

1191
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:25,920
I wonder if, yeah, enough time you like you see a new joker and a Batman be like,

1192
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,200
yeah, I took it from Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka.

1193
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,400
Right. Totally.

1194
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:37,360
Of course. Yeah, I would not be surprised, man, because it's that level of character.

1195
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:38,960
That level of character.

1196
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,760
It's that insane of a choice in major motion picture.

1197
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,200
You know, like more often than not,

1198
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,160
a person that isn't Johnny Depp is going to be told, hey,

1199
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:50,480
tone it down a little bit.

1200
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,600
We need a little bit more realism in here.

1201
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,480
You are too out there, too alien.

1202
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,640
No one is going to be able to understand what you are.

1203
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:00,680
Are you weird?

1204
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,320
You're coming. Yeah, you're weird.

1205
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,240
Um, well, I'm I'm happy with it.

1206
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:07,800
You I'm happy.

1207
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:14,680
Let's take a quick break and then get into those little reviewies.

1208
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:15,960
We're going to take a break.

1209
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,440
We'll be right back.

1210
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,720
OK, we are back, baby.

1211
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,800
I'm just looking through my notes here real quick before we move on.

1212
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:37,200
There's a time moment where Violet is asking her father to make time go faster.

1213
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,520
Which I thought was funny.

1214
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,200
Good morning, Starshine.

1215
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,560
The world says hello.

1216
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,760
It's quite the line that I remember.

1217
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:52,400
Weird, not weird, but just like kooky people in high school would just like quote,

1218
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,680
like quote, like lines from movies and so I would do the same.

1219
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,040
That I would all half of my

1220
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,200
things I would say was a commander family guy.

1221
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,040
That was my personality.

1222
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,000
But like.

1223
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,520
Or answer the phone like that.

1224
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,160
Good morning, Starshine.

1225
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,120
The world says hello.

1226
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,760
Can I be camel cannibalism?

1227
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,040
And that's from the part.

1228
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:22,680
There's this one moment that I thought was really great where young Willie Wonka

1229
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,080
goes through what appears to be a traveling montage.

1230
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,720
I wrote that down to the flags of the world.

1231
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,320
He's walking around and there's all these flags going by.

1232
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,000
He thinks he's just traveling the world.

1233
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:36,760
The guy is like, hey, kid, you got to go.

1234
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,360
We're closing up.

1235
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,040
Lots of the world.

1236
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,960
That's a naked gun like Zucker Brothers.

1237
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:49,840
Like air plane level joke that is this too good.

1238
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:50,520
It's too.

1239
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:57,880
Like, I know it's like the Ed Wood side of the humor of Tim Burton.

1240
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,840
I think it's grandpa says, holy buckets.

1241
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:03,640
I like that.

1242
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:04,520
OK.

1243
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:10,720
And then Christopher Lee, I haven't seen by cuspids like these since.

1244
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:12,760
Willie.

1245
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,160
Willie.

1246
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:17,560
Weird.

1247
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,120
Is that you, my little Willie?

1248
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:25,080
A couple of call outs for me from my notes is Deep Roy is the real MVP.

1249
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:26,520
Who's that?

1250
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,480
Deep Roy is the guy who plays all of the Oompa Loompa.

1251
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,280
Oompa Loompa's total MVP.

1252
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:33,040
Yeah, big time.

1253
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,920
Out of the jokes come from him and he kills it.

1254
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:41,560
Tunnel scene was underwhelming.

1255
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:42,560
I know, right?

1256
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,840
For how like I can't weird the first.

1257
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:50,520
You're like, oh, OK, we're just in a CGI boat swirling around.

1258
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,520
I like the little like vaults, like they look at the different vaults and how they

1259
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,600
name them, like stuff like that is fun in these movies.

1260
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:58,320
Right.

1261
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,920
Again, you get little glimpses of like what's possible.

1262
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:04,560
You get a good amount of them.

1263
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:09,400
New Wanka movie, I feel like, too, just his little tricks that he's got.

1264
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,760
Yeah, I cannot sing the praises of the new one.

1265
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,120
I was just emotionally enraptured by the end of it.

1266
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,960
I was like crying and then I was having a good time.

1267
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,440
Like the stuff of the mom was like, fucking hitting for me.

1268
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:30,800
I was like, oh, my God, this is so good.

1269
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:36,280
Like him just wanting to be the best person for himself than realizing.

1270
01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:39,400
But then also reconciling that with his mom's view of him.

1271
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:44,480
I was like, man, this this is just firing on all fucking cylinders.

1272
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,200
I really like the bad guys, too.

1273
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:46,880
Those three bad guys.

1274
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:47,880
I love the bad guys.

1275
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,800
They're funny that like I think it was the slug worth.

1276
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,520
Dude, just have the funniest like

1277
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,280
smirk on his face when like.

1278
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,720
But then he also and these are my favorite types of villains is when like

1279
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:04,200
he looks very evil, but he also looks kind of dumb.

1280
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,680
Because he's like what he does is smirks and that camera would shoot him head

1281
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,560
on and be kind of cross eyed.

1282
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,440
You're trying to look so threatening, but you look kind of fucking stupid.

1283
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,640
It's just like my favorite was some of my favorite antagonists.

1284
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:27,080
Cool, well, should I get into some polarizing reviews?

1285
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:27,880
Go for it.

1286
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,400
All right, we'll start with the critic side of things.

1287
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:36,440
An 83 percent certified fresh movie from 2005.

1288
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:41,560
Let's check in on some top critics from Rotten Tomatoes.

1289
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,840
Kent Tucker, New York Magazine slash Vulture.

1290
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,960
As the star who's framed in the center of nearly every shot he's in,

1291
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:53,520
Depp is Depp is a constantly surprising Willy Wonka.

1292
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,320
From Sandra Hall, Sydney Morning, Morning Herald.

1293
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:02,480
Finally, a worthy, excellent remake.

1294
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,040
From Robert Hanks, Independent UK, four out of five.

1295
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,800
In its combination of fidelity to its source and wacky visual ideas,

1296
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,440
Burton's take is a triumph of common sense and imagination.

1297
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,400
Exactly the qualities for which we admire children.

1298
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,440
Common sense.

1299
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:24,160
From Stella Papa Michael, Papa Miguel,

1300
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,240
is someone else's girl.

1301
01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:30,360
BBC.com says four out of four scores, four out of four.

1302
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,800
An intoxicating endorphin rush.

1303
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:42,640
What's we got here from Stephanie Zacharack, Salon.com.

1304
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:47,520
In its best sections, it's magically deranged in a no way.

1305
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:52,040
Wait, in its best sections, it's magically deranged in a way no other filmmaker

1306
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,680
could even come close to pulling off.

1307
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,920
And we'll finish with Claudia Puegh from USA Today, gave it a three and a half out

1308
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:07,200
of four, the summer's most visually arresting escapist adventure.

1309
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:08,960
You know, when like the movie was

1310
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,320
written out for like a week or two and there there's a new trailer with like

1311
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,640
some banner like four out of five, five out of five sort of things.

1312
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,720
Oh, Claudia Puegh from USA Today says it's summer's most visually

1313
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,440
arresting escapist adventure.

1314
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,160
And I do have a minute in there.

1315
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:30,520
So they they loved it certified fresh and let's check out the audience side

1316
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:36,320
of things with the 51 percent polarizing feelings on everything.

1317
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:41,360
This one's a Google review one star from Sam Wall.

1318
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,600
Sam Wall, Sam Wall,

1319
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,160
waste of time, dark and weird.

1320
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,120
The studio never should have let these group of mentally ill men remake their

1321
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,160
incredible original, a perfect rendition of the delightful doll book.

1322
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,920
This a children's movie that children should never watch.

1323
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:59,680
Adults should not watch it either.

1324
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:03,680
They have better things to do, like raise their children properly and never let

1325
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,040
them see Johnny Depp in anything.

1326
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:07,840
He's a terrible actor who was somehow

1327
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,840
told early on the being weird as good acting.

1328
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:15,800
His psychotic emotional life touches no one except other strange psychotics.

1329
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:20,520
He has ADHD, depression, he's bipolar,

1330
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,320
he's addicted to coke, THC, Benzos,

1331
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:29,000
Sarah Call, cocaine, alcohol,

1332
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:35,360
oxycodone, etc, etc, and spends his life the few years his disease lover might

1333
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,320
have left on a bender violently assaulting people.

1334
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:42,560
He needs to be in prison, never on a movie set again to dry out and pay

1335
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,680
penance for his violent rages.

1336
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,240
He thinks paying a staff of goons and thugs,

1337
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:51,200
three hundred thousand dollars a month to get him illegal drugs and cover up

1338
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,120
his messes will continue, but he doesn't have a dime to give those twisted

1339
01:13:55,120 --> 01:14:00,600
sick of fans anymore. Depp is old. His career waned long ago in the mid two

1340
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,760
thousands when the atrocity came out.

1341
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,800
Luckily, many of the executives responsible were fired and no longer

1342
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,240
have careers and neither does old fat ugly Depp.

1343
01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:21,320
So this is a taste of the power of the internet when you can use something

1344
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:26,840
later and include information that was not

1345
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,400
at the time, a thing.

1346
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,720
But no, yes, because he is not a,

1347
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,640
yeah, he's not a fat person.

1348
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:36,800
Or just all in all the stuff that was clearly

1349
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,600
influenced from the Amber Heard trial, I feel like.

1350
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:45,360
And this is this is probably maybe some of these Google reviews have have some of

1351
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:50,080
that, but you definitely provided his opinion on the on the movie as well.

1352
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:56,120
Let's let's do a couple here, a couple more here from Jackie Nisbet Thompson.

1353
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:57,720
One star.

1354
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,560
Mrs. Nisbet.

1355
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,760
It's me, Mrs. Nisbet.

1356
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,920
No, no.

1357
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:07,640
It's tea time.

1358
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,360
It's tea time.

1359
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:19,520
My my sister and brother-in-law, they're like Camper Rig.

1360
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,440
It's named Mrs. Nisbet.

1361
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:23,720
Nisbet.

1362
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,200
That's like the name of the Camper Rig.

1363
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,880
Yeah, that's so so like they take trips on Mrs.

1364
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,920
Nisbet. It's pretty good.

1365
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,440
Mrs. Nisbet.

1366
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:36,240
That's such a great name.

1367
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:39,000
That's like another one that's like reminds me of like Ned Schneebly.

1368
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,360
Yeah, such a good one.

1369
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,080
Mike White.

1370
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,040
All right. So Jackie Nisbet Thompson says,

1371
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,800
putting this in one star because people look at those first.

1372
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:50,880
Good strategy.

1373
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:52,000
Wow, great.

1374
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:52,920
See, that's a strategy.

1375
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,360
I don't understand why bad reviews say the older version is like the book.

1376
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:57,200
Let's see.

1377
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,440
Wrong song lyrics, lyrics, a huge piece of the plot never happened in the book.

1378
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:03,640
Children got eliminated in different ways.

1379
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,240
The only accurate thing in the older

1380
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,360
movie was probably the description of Willie Wonka and the names.

1381
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,680
Not to mention, Roald Dahl hated the 71 version so much, he never let anyone make

1382
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,880
another movie of one of his books again.

1383
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,160
Good choice, Roald.

1384
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,120
Have you seen James and the Giant Peach?

1385
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,440
The Matilda I watched was OK, but fantastic.

1386
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,840
Mr. Fox was all wrong.

1387
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:24,400
Oh, stop.

1388
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:25,440
I don't trust this person.

1389
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:26,000
Bingham.

1390
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:27,840
Some people are complaining that it's dark.

1391
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:28,920
The book was dark.

1392
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:30,800
Most Roald Dahl books were dark.

1393
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,040
And one of his children or grandchildren said that in the beginning of a collection

1394
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,760
of Roald Dahl books, they were both slightly dark and whimsical.

1395
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,360
And this movie is incredibly accurate.

1396
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,960
The only big change was Willie Wonka's backstory, which was weird,

1397
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,520
but added depth, depth to the character.

1398
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,000
Johnny depth to the character.

1399
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:53,000
The songs were only changed to be more easily sung.

1400
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,320
This is an incredibly true to the book movie that I love.

1401
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:02,760
You see this to brain and you see this algorithm that this person is is messing with.

1402
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:03,680
I know, man.

1403
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:10,840
Isn't that isn't that something about that just messes with?

1404
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,800
Does it see like that's where we could be like this messes with our process of what

1405
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:15,480
we're trying to do here.

1406
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:21,240
But to me, I think it if it deepens it because I think it makes it interesting to.

1407
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:25,000
Find examples like this, like that.

1408
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:31,920
These numbers are can be misrepresentative of movies in ways that you might not expect.

1409
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:36,560
You know, some things are worse than the score is or some things are better than the score is.

1410
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:40,240
And some people are reviewing things for reasons that.

1411
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,520
Yeah, or not all.

1412
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:47,520
I mean, our but our.

1413
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:58,880
Our format is bulletproof in my mind because we're not about like we at least yet haven't gone with.

1414
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:02,920
Like it's not a declaration of whether we side with one side or the other.

1415
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:09,040
We just come up with our own opinions and then we're using the scores.

1416
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,480
The polarizing scores around tomatoes, the jumping off point.

1417
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,400
So like there is definitely.

1418
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,920
The scoring system on Ron tomato we've talked about before is like not.

1419
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,880
Necessarily good litmus test.

1420
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:27,760
It can be somewhat directional, but yeah, it isn't necessarily something that you

1421
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,480
should hold to be like the end all be all.

1422
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:37,720
And really the reason that we we're just using it as a really great way to watch

1423
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:43,960
movies that for whatever reason are polarizing in the sense between critics

1424
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,720
and audiences, but we're not really about siding with one or the other.

1425
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,760
You and me just come to our own conclusions and give our own scores,

1426
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:53,200
which we're about to do.

1427
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:57,480
But like, yeah, it's funny to think about that score as such a great example of the

1428
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:02,200
gamification of the Internet by and large, because that person put a one star review

1429
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:06,520
but like the movie and they were forthright by saying the reason that it's one star so

1430
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,240
that it will show up closer to the top.

1431
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:11,800
And yeah.

1432
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:13,960
It's people will do that.

1433
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,560
That's the Internet for you.

1434
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:16,400
Absolutely.

1435
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,800
Especially if there's a number number system, there'll be a that's already

1436
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,280
gamifying it in that way.

1437
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:25,120
Let's do one more from Yasmin.

1438
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,320
Padilla one star.

1439
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:29,640
Totally horrible.

1440
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:30,840
Should have been rated R.

1441
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,360
Very gross and gory.

1442
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,440
Waste of Johnny Depp in a shameful scar on Tim Burton's career.

1443
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:40,240
Willy Wonka is like Lex Luthor from Batman V Superman, Don of Justice.

1444
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:41,840
I'd rather watch that movie.

1445
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:46,280
Total mess just because all the other kids are spoiled and Charlie is poor.

1446
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:48,240
Are we supposed to root for him?

1447
01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:53,800
When the other kids are murdered slash deformed, Charlie, Grandpa, Joe and Wonka are laughing.

1448
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,840
Horrible movie, not worth a watch.

1449
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:57,200
Cats is better.

1450
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:03,680
I'd rather watch Terminator Genesis and that's something.

1451
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,800
Also, child thinks he slash she is about to die.

1452
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,320
Oompa Loompas are dancing and making fun of the poor kid.

1453
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,480
Would have been better if I'd been an animated film.

1454
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:17,520
Oh, get this person in Hollywood, baby.

1455
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:18,760
Yeah.

1456
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,560
Get him in.

1457
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:28,120
That's was a little smattering, a little taste of the people out there and the critics alike.

1458
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:29,480
We talked at the beginning.

1459
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:30,960
We were talking now.

1460
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:37,640
I think the polarizing nature of it all is I think, yeah, the critics still kind of sniffing

1461
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,440
the stuff that Tim Burton is smoking and

1462
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:47,320
and it's hitting them in a way that is like kooky and weird.

1463
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,920
And some of the CG stuff, I think, was.

1464
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,240
Held up better at the time as well.

1465
01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:02,360
Like the just the whole new take on it was fitting the time as well.

1466
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,640
This is just a very dated movie.

1467
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:05,920
It's very.

1468
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,840
This movie is very dated when you are

1469
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:13,440
amazing, inevitably comparing it to a timeless movie.

1470
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,400
A truly timeless movie is the original.

1471
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:22,520
Like as a child, I grew up watching it in the 90s and loving it and laughing and being

1472
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,520
a little creeped out by some of the kids.

1473
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,440
You know, why that girl turned into a blueberry?

1474
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:28,240
Oh, that kid shrunk down like it's scary.

1475
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:29,240
It's a little scary.

1476
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:30,200
You know, there's a little and there's

1477
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,040
but there's consequences for your actions.

1478
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:36,400
These kids were little shits and you stole fizzy lifting drinks.

1479
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,960
Good day, sir.

1480
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,080
But you know, like it's.

1481
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:43,960
It's a it's a fable or whatever.

1482
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:45,560
It's a it's a it's a folk story.

1483
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:49,360
It's a it's a you know, it's a it's a little nighttime story or whatever.

1484
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,480
It's it's your consummate, but it doesn't need to.

1485
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:56,880
This is when as well, a lot of things we're leading into is got to be

1486
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,120
dark and gritty and realistic.

1487
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:04,040
And this is not the kind of thing that needed that treatment.

1488
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:09,080
Tim Burton, in terms of like this.

1489
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:18,040
Form a part of his career moving forward is is my least favorite of all of his stuff.

1490
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:22,080
And because after this is like Alice in Wonderland and stuff and like that.

1491
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,720
Visual styling.

1492
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,880
No, no, thank you.

1493
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,520
No, thank you.

1494
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:30,840
Is that your review?

1495
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,160
No, no, for Alice in Wonderland.

1496
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:39,240
If this was the Alice in Wonderland podcast, that'll be next next week on.

1497
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:40,560
On.

1498
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:41,960
All right.

1499
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:42,840
On.

1500
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,760
Shit, Bob.

1501
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,800
Two of those movies, right?

1502
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:50,880
Come on now.

1503
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,200
People, what are we doing?

1504
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:58,360
Sounds like the perfect inaugural episode for James's podcast.

1505
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:02,440
I've done this in the past, but maybe it's time to pass the mandolin to you

1506
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:04,560
screaming into the.

1507
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,120
Hey, this is the James of Screaming in the Void.

1508
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,080
We'll get we'll be back in a second.

1509
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,440
Let's talk this episode brought to you by Squarespace.

1510
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,520
You know, I almost feel like Tim.

1511
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,280
So what are like Tim Burton doing like the silver,

1512
01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:25,920
though, sorry, the glass elevator.

1513
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:29,000
That would like kind of make sense,

1514
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,840
especially at this time, like if you just don't a fucking just straight up

1515
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,400
sequel and made it weird, like Tim Burton, I don't know.

1516
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,120
I feel like that might have made it made more sense.

1517
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,160
But that's not to say that this didn't make sense for him to do this, right?

1518
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:45,440
I'm saying the style, the stylings of it, because he's such a stylistic director

1519
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,040
of the style, style of it all.

1520
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:51,120
And then like to actually do an original story because that has a lot going for it.

1521
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,480
The newest one is it's an original story.

1522
01:23:54,680 --> 01:24:03,040
And it is an origin story that's free of a lot of the fan services just so night.

1523
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,360
And I like the fan service and the newest one.

1524
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,480
It was just like just enough, you know,

1525
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:13,200
it gave him his trademark things that we all know and love about him.

1526
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:16,800
He says a few of his little lines and everything, but it's pretty subtle.

1527
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:24,960
There's like a like a motif of a few of the songs from the original as well.

1528
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:28,840
And you already like when that movie started, I was like, I'm such in a better place

1529
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,400
than this, like a minute it started.

1530
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,800
It was like it started with a world like pure

1531
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,560
imagination, whatever was like in the background as like, you know,

1532
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,880
the kind of like this like oh my god.

1533
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:47,160
OK, thank god. OK, we're in I just felt like in such better hands.

1534
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,040
I'm so glad you like the new movie, man.

1535
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:50,120
I is. Yeah.

1536
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,960
Before we were in this, I was like, dude, you should check this movie out.

1537
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:54,880
I'm glad I did.

1538
01:24:55,080 --> 01:25:01,440
And and I'm glad you did too, because it really was such a wonderful movie.

1539
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:06,920
Like I I know I'm like coming off as such a fucking huge stain of that movie.

1540
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,120
But I don't give a shit because like

1541
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,560
Wonka rips that's such a great movie.

1542
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:14,520
It has a little bit of a little bit.

1543
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,640
It has like it has all of it.

1544
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:24,040
It has like that movie is stuffed to the gills with shit to sink your teeth into.

1545
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,160
And.

1546
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,200
Maybe you want candy for sure.

1547
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,040
The enemy made me want candy so much.

1548
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,320
Seeing that like robot make the chocolate at the beginning of Wonka was like,

1549
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,560
you know, I don't want to.

1550
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,360
Right, but then him just, you know, talking about how he needs these.

1551
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,000
And then they want how he needs these like special ingredients to make these

1552
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,960
chocolates and the way that they look in his hand.

1553
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,200
And he's like, oh, it's in these big jars.

1554
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:55,840
And then these like fun colors and shapes and all the special ingredients.

1555
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:56,920
Totally. Yeah.

1556
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,640
That's makes it special.

1557
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:00,640
Makes it. Yeah.

1558
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:01,520
Makes it mean something.

1559
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:05,520
And it showed me that you don't need to just like, oh, I'm Wonka.

1560
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,320
So I need to be fucking weird.

1561
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,920
Weird. Like that's what that means is I need to like really make some big

1562
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:16,960
decisions about making this character mine and trademark weird.

1563
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:22,640
And then I'm yeah, I was impressed with Shalamet's handling of it to be so care.

1564
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,560
He's just a charismatic person.

1565
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,680
And I think that went such a long way as naturally.

1566
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:33,000
He shows a motion in that vulnerable side of Wonka was a cool,

1567
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,280
cool thing to see at that moment of him.

1568
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:40,520
Like, yeah, there's something about him like sire, like or like being a mentor

1569
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:45,080
to a child that was that would like worked really well in that dynamic that

1570
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:52,280
called back to the better parts of like, you know, the warm side of him.

1571
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:55,520
And it seems like, you know, once he starts getting stolen from and starts

1572
01:26:55,720 --> 01:27:00,120
hiring loop-loopers, then he gets a little more jaded that I like the idea of like,

1573
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:01,960
well, he's this can be a different guy.

1574
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,480
This is an earlier end in his life.

1575
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:09,280
He can be happy, like more like upstart sort of sort of guy that's trying to

1576
01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:11,520
optimistic, make his way for better.

1577
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:12,360
Yeah.

1578
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,480
And the childlike wonder.

1579
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:16,960
Wow. All right.

1580
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,520
Well, yeah, I think we we almost had a podcast about about all three,

1581
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,720
but we definitely covered Tim Burton's enough.

1582
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,520
Is there a score that you would give in any final thoughts?

1583
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,680
El Brandini.

1584
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,160
Yeah. Yeah, man.

1585
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:36,720
I just when it comes to like revisiting a Wonka movie, this is the last on my list.

1586
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,080
The reason for it is because I just didn't have as much fun with it.

1587
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:45,400
I think if you were to take certain shots and scenes of this movie, it is really kind

1588
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:52,200
of like a marvel, if you will, of like special effects and setting.

1589
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:58,360
But it is just on all like consistently undercut by the people on screen are just

1590
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:04,240
like at each other at odds, don't like each other, don't understand each other.

1591
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:07,080
Yeah, there's

1592
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,000
and it's weird. Yeah.

1593
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:13,520
I don't know. I guess I didn't care for that.

1594
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,880
So like flustered right now.

1595
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:23,720
There's like I want to be I want to make sure that just at least for myself that

1596
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,760
I recognize that there are some visual elements of this movie that I thought were

1597
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:34,040
cool and interesting, but by and large, my enjoyment of this as a whole movie,

1598
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,360
as a whole thing was very little.

1599
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:41,240
I just I and I feel like it's because the movie didn't want me to like it.

1600
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:46,400
I was like wanting me to like a conversation I wasn't allowed to be a part of.

1601
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:50,920
And it's given me shit for trying to be like, hey, I want to I want to hear what's

1602
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:53,320
going on.

1603
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,640
I'm going to give this movie a 55 percent.

1604
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:00,680
Yeah, very fair score.

1605
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,080
I know what you mean.

1606
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:07,440
There's something that and I'm trying to decipher why this movie is

1607
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,680
somewhat like watchable for me.

1608
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,560
It's like it's like pretty watchable.

1609
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:12,200
Yeah.

1610
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:16,080
And I'm trying to figure out is it because it's based on a story that I'm so

1611
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:20,880
familiar with and going through those motions of that story, whatever sort of

1612
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:24,040
adaptation is kind of nice.

1613
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:29,400
And it's never been something that I've wanted to revisit since.

1614
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,520
Yeah, I have this movie on DVD for whatever reason.

1615
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,680
It was it was just one that we throw in and and Hamon,

1616
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:37,880
because I think we like the original so much.

1617
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,840
And this one was was just the next thing we like.

1618
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:43,160
Jack Sparrow and and all that stuff.

1619
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,720
And.

1620
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:51,960
Really looking at it with a critical eye past the fact, you know, I think what I

1621
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:56,040
was like 15 when I saw it, I think it was still stepping into starting to be a

1622
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,280
little bit more critical about the movies that I would watch.

1623
01:29:58,480 --> 01:29:59,160
I think sure.

1624
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,640
But I think just the fact that like, oh, why will I like Johnny Depp?

1625
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:02,600
I like Tim Burton.

1626
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,000
I like Charlie in the Chalk Effect.

1627
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:05,760
I like Willy Wonka.

1628
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:06,920
Why wouldn't I like this movie?

1629
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,920
And that's kind of how I felt at that time and looking at it now and how outdated

1630
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,760
a lot of it is and the performance of Johnny Depp.

1631
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,440
It's definitely going to get a subpar score for me.

1632
01:30:18,440 --> 01:30:23,360
And and I've talked a lot about it in this podcast.

1633
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,120
Some some of the good things.

1634
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,880
Yeah, definitely Freddie Highmore.

1635
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:32,600
There's conceptual things that.

1636
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:38,680
I get why they tried so hard to make happen, because in their minds,

1637
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,440
they looked at everything on the storyboard and they were like, this all

1638
01:30:42,440 --> 01:30:46,240
looks great and we should do exactly this because we have the computers to make

1639
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:49,720
everything that we would ever want, we can pick one actor for Numpal Lumpa.

1640
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,960
And, you know, and that's that's something they didn't even completely

1641
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,040
take do all the CGI because they made him do like all those separate

1642
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,280
performances, every single separate one you see, he did.

1643
01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:01,040
He did each separate one.

1644
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:04,760
And then they impose him on there, which is cool and all that.

1645
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:08,720
But yeah, which is something I think they take into that.

1646
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:13,160
And the squirrels and all that other stuff is just like, I don't know.

1647
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:14,640
It just seems in the wrong place.

1648
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:19,320
The money doesn't seem to be on the screen in the best way.

1649
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:23,360
You know, I it looks expensive, but it doesn't

1650
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:27,360
look like satisfyingly good in a lot of ways.

1651
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:33,600
But Tim Burton is good director and on a lot of other projects.

1652
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:38,600
So there's certain shots, you know, like I was saying with Christopher Lee and

1653
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:43,920
Lee's house and the in the snow and all that and and a lot of houses, I guess,

1654
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:45,160
like the house. Yeah.

1655
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,960
Charlie Chalker, they house and stuff like the houses.

1656
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:48,760
I had notes on that.

1657
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:50,360
I was like, oh, this house looks cool.

1658
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,040
Yeah. The inside and the outside.

1659
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:54,120
Mm hmm.

1660
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:59,040
Like in the factory, everything is just so fake and and

1661
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,200
unpleasing and unsettling and not fun.

1662
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:07,840
That, you know, like there's a the story when grandpa goes back to the factory.

1663
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,920
They're like that looked kind of real and nice, like the old school style

1664
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:15,960
before the Oompa Loompahs came in and all that.

1665
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:22,080
I'm getting too lost here in talking all about the movie again.

1666
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:26,960
Yeah, I'm going to do a 48.

1667
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:28,680
Yeah.

1668
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:34,640
Yeah, 46 or 48, something like that, like a mid 40s sort of feels pretty good to me,

1669
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:38,400
partner Bill Grimm. Which one do you pick?

1670
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:39,600
48.

1671
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:42,840
48. Cool. Yeah. I get it.

1672
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:43,800
I get it, man.

1673
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,480
That's so funny that we were 49.

1674
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:47,920
I'm going to do 49.

1675
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,120
Do 49. That's

1676
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:55,040
this is another great example of why I love doing this with you, bud, is like

1677
01:32:55,240 --> 01:33:00,200
we didn't really talk too much about our feelings about this movie.

1678
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:04,280
You know, I think we're pretty good about not, you know, getting into like,

1679
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:08,120
we'll text each other when we're watching these movies about certain things,

1680
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:11,040
but it isn't necessarily about how we feel by and large.

1681
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:16,120
It's like, oh, isn't this wild that this is a fact or, you know, this situation?

1682
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,800
Did you get to this, you know, scene or whatever?

1683
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,800
And

1684
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:26,440
it's just it's so fun that both of us kind of came to this and we're like,

1685
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:31,120
yeah, this is this is kind of, you know, it's like the thing we've always talked

1686
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:35,920
about on this spot of how even though this podcast is called Polarize,

1687
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,600
it's similar, similar hard scores.

1688
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:43,240
And I'm like, yeah,

1689
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:48,160
you have similar podcast where both of us are going to give polarizing scores

1690
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,480
every time, not the pot for you.

1691
01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:54,520
What we're doing is we're taking polarizing movies and making them not

1692
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,680
polarizing months to friends.

1693
01:33:57,880 --> 01:33:58,440
I enjoy that.

1694
01:33:58,440 --> 01:34:02,840
I enjoy the process and I enjoy people talking in that way rather than getting

1695
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:07,120
me or even because there's examples of us disagreeing too.

1696
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:07,880
Oh, for sure.

1697
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,400
It's not like, you know, we're like, you know what, Brandon?

1698
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:13,280
Fuck you, man.

1699
01:34:13,480 --> 01:34:16,080
Yeah, like you.

1700
01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:21,520
The fact that you like this movie makes me question our friendship.

1701
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,880
So I went to the next one.

1702
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:25,880
Yeah.

1703
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:27,960
All for that content, baby.

1704
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:28,800
We need the content.

1705
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,080
That's why we do it.

1706
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:31,320
Yeah.

1707
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:35,280
And I think the last Jedi, I think would be the closest.

1708
01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:39,720
And that's even one where it's like, yeah, I don't like love that movie,

1709
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:40,680
but I do like it.

1710
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:45,000
And even that, I feel like it's a hot take to even kind of like kind of like that.

1711
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:45,840
Right.

1712
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:48,080
So and that's yeah.

1713
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:51,080
And there's yeah, there's probably a few others out there.

1714
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,160
Oh, the

1715
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,040
Santa, the Mel Gibson, Santa one.

1716
01:34:56,240 --> 01:34:57,360
I didn't like that.

1717
01:34:57,560 --> 01:34:59,040
We had a good time.

1718
01:34:59,240 --> 01:34:59,560
Yeah.

1719
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,520
And I feel like I loved it.

1720
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:03,640
Oh, yeah.

1721
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:05,840
You didn't like some of the you don't like some of the Disney stuff.

1722
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:06,640
Yeah, there's stuff.

1723
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:08,000
There's, you know, there's stuff.

1724
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:08,800
No, there's stuff.

1725
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:09,840
Hey, anybody.

1726
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:10,880
Yeah, check out our back.

1727
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:12,640
There's plenty of if you want to hear.

1728
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:13,240
Yeah.

1729
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:16,720
When we're just yelling at each other the entire time.

1730
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:18,080
That's that's what happens.

1731
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:19,080
That's what we do.

1732
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:21,880
Do our scores get put into the description at all?

1733
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:23,280
I guess I would probably not be a good idea.

1734
01:35:23,480 --> 01:35:24,280
No, I can.

1735
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:26,520
I should go back and just tabulate them all.

1736
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:31,720
I know Blarge was doing it, but senior El Cori was senior was doing it for a bit.

1737
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,720
But I guess it's not a yeah, I guess that's not.

1738
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:37,000
That would be nice to have a wiki, a polarized pod wiki.

1739
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:37,680
Oh, yeah.

1740
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:40,880
How about a little Excel doc that we weren't going to do it?

1741
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:41,880
I could probably do it.

1742
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:42,600
We can do it.

1743
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:43,560
Yeah, let's figure that out.

1744
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:48,400
But just be a that's I mean, that's Charlie and the Chaka factory.

1745
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:49,680
That's polarized the pod.

1746
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:50,400
That's right, baby.

1747
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:53,000
Let's talk about what we're doing next time.

1748
01:35:53,000 --> 01:36:02,520
It is a movie from 10 years prior, a 95 movie starring Andy Garcia.

1749
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,440
It is called about this movie.

1750
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:08,720
Things to do in Denver when you're dead.

1751
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:10,520
What a cumbersome title.

1752
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:15,200
And then it is also so indicative of the movie.

1753
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:16,560
Once again, you're going to read that.

1754
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:19,760
Things to do in Denver when you're dead.

1755
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:26,640
37% from critics, a 72 from audience is.

1756
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,040
Should I I can read the description?

1757
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:34,560
X Crook, Jimmy, the Saint Tasnia and Garcia is trying his best to go legitimate

1758
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:38,800
until he's dragged back into the world of crime for one last seemingly simple mission.

1759
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:43,280
All Jimmy and his eccentric cronies have to do is intimidate their target.

1760
01:36:43,480 --> 01:36:46,600
But they make a disastrous series of mistakes that result in the death of a

1761
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:49,880
woman connected to a powerful gangster before long.

1762
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:56,600
Mr. Steve Buscemi, a notorious assassin who never slips up, is sent to take down

1763
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:01,960
Jimmy and his partners, Mr. I like that.

1764
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:05,240
Box office gross, two hundred and thirty two thousand.

1765
01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:08,360
OK.

1766
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:09,840
Yeah, baby.

1767
01:37:10,040 --> 01:37:13,000
Andy Garcia, Christopher Lloyd, William Forsythe.

1768
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:15,720
I think Walken and Christopher Walken is in here somewhere.

1769
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:16,720
Oh, walk into it.

1770
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:18,840
Yeah. And he's a bulk.

1771
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,000
Loose as a motherfucker.

1772
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:23,320
Oh, I have one scene production.

1773
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:26,400
Whatever. Yeah, let's talk.

1774
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,760
All right. Well, we'll see you guys next time.

1775
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:34,960
If you want to see us record live whenever we do this, it's on twitch.tv.

1776
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:36,160
Slash Polarize pod.

1777
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:42,880
You can send us a line at Gmail.com slash Polarize the pod or Gmail.com.

1778
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:44,600
Polarize the pod.

1779
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:46,840
Polarize the pod at Gmail.com.

1780
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:48,720
Polarize the pod at Gmail.com.

1781
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:49,720
There's one other thing.

1782
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:57,400
Yeah, a rate and review on Apple podcast would be also more of those would be sweet.

1783
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,960
We love you all. Brandon, is there anything else?

1784
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:01,520
No, I love you all as well.

1785
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,200
That's my that's my thing.

1786
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,040
I'm glad we got that in and we'll see you next time.

1787
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:07,440
Bye bye.

1788
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:14,440
Bye bye.