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Welcome everybody to the Polarize podcast.

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Those alliterations pee pee.

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I am your host, Brandon Stables.

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This is a podcast about movies, polarizing movies in particular.

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Today, we are going to be talking about a polarizing movie, Mona Lisa

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Smiles, which is a 34 percent stinky by the critics and 60 percent.

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Yeah, good.

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Poppin poppin corn on the audience side.

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But yeah, again, this is a movie about polarized movies in the sense of

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rotten tomato scores like I just given.

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I am not the only person that's going to be talking.

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I am also going to be talking with some other people.

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And one of those is my.

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We well, we call him forever gas, but he is legitimately a cohost.

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Everybody warm welcome for me.

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Hello, it's me, Jane, the James.

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I'm the James the forever gas.

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I'm back again for for another rousing episode of the Polarize pod,

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where we get into polarizing movies.

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But the hosts, me and you, Brandon, were.

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We're magnetizing the hostess with the mostest, you know, and today.

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Today is a long.

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Today is a great day to record a pod, in my opinion.

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You know, it's like the weather outside.

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It's rainy. You don't really want to go out anywhere.

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You just want to, you know what?

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Hopefully people listening out there, bundle up and sit back and get ready

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for hell of a movie, in my opinion.

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I I had not seen this movie before.

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I feel like my only recollection of this movie was there was like.

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Did it win an award?

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I should have looked this up beforehand, but I just remember it being very popular

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and being like, huh, that movie looks.

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Fine.

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Do I have any interest in seeing it?

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I would have been 13 years old.

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Do I want to see a movie called Mona Lisa's Smile?

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Not really that into that.

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But I do remember it being kind of a big deal.

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And I think mainly because of Julia Roberts.

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But now, having seen it, I now understand that it's more so because it is just

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bursting at the seams with up and coming young talent in this movie.

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But yeah, not not too much of a history with this movie.

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What about you, James?

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No history beyond just seeing the title and

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knowing that Julia Roberts was in it, but not knowing anything past that

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just seemed like the cover of them like looking.

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Now I've seen the movie, them looking at the Jackson Pollock painting.

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And that.

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Oh, my God, I love that.

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And the font.

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And I maybe saw a trailer or something that I forgot at the time in 2003,

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but it was not really on my radar apart from like, oh, that's an interesting title.

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Even so much so that I think us picking this one for the podcast, we were kind of like,

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I don't know, I was I always just make a list of a lot of front and tomato.

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I'll just kind of scrounge through rotten tomatoes of it some days.

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And just round and just go through the filth of the tomatoes and just like,

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which one would sell the discourse here?

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And I just threw this one on the list.

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And here we are.

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And it was just like on on a pile of suggestions that we were thinking about.

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And both of us just thought it was an interesting title.

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We have heard of it and it would be interesting to try because we have no idea

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what it's about.

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And now we're on the other side.

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And it's an interesting process of watching and hopefully discussing a movie.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And then we're not going to be the only ones today talking about this movie.

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I want to bring in our guests so we can get her thoughts.

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Well, thoughts in general, but also her history with this movie.

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If she has any, I would like to intro into the pod.

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Miss Cara.

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Hello. Yeah, I do a little etiquette training, right?

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Right. A smile.

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Like my nose. Yeah.

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Just a really, yeah, really taking heat to the lessons of Nancy Abbey

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or Marcia Gay Harden, Marcia.

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Marcia. Marcia. I think so.

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I love Marcia. Yeah.

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Marcia Gay Harden sounds correct.

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Sounds she may be an MGH, but she's kind of an MVP for me.

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OK, movies that she's in.

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Oh my God. Well, we got a yeah, I'm done to talk about that.

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But Cara, hey, especially one, Mejo Black, a M.J.B. movie.

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Very good. Hello, Cara.

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Hi. How are you?

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Very well. Good.

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What's your history with this movie?

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Because you walk with Mona Lisa.

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We we watched it together, but we didn't really get to and to

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discussion for your first time watching besides.

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I think you just said you'd seen it when maybe it first came out.

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or any streaming services, there was this thing called TBS.

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Yes. Or TNT.

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And it was like a cable station that or was it was it a cable station?

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Back in the day, this man named Ted Turner.

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I think one of those channels would play this movie a lot.

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Or just I mean, played it once or twice.

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And I had seen it through three times a lady.

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And I remember watching it.

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Yeah, like during the day, it was on during the day.

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And it just didn't smile.

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Oh, well, a mission accomplished movie.

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There we go. Sad as well.

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Would you would it make you frown in a sad way?

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Um, out of one side of your mouth and smile with the other.

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Well, I was just smiling.

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Just having a good time.

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It wasn't too dramatic.

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probably like 12 or something.

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and all that stuff.

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So it was just like a fun movie.

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Like it didn't seem like that.

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Like the like the coming of the website is definitely a big part of it.

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Oh, my God, I'm sure.

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But I didn't understand how like important these stories were of these.

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And like, yeah, more totally grand kind of scale.

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It has those moments of getting into it, but it doesn't.

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It doesn't go too deep in any way.

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I like the coming of each side.

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And I do like that too.

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Yeah, you love a kind of a college movie.

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Mostly I would say mostly too.

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but I'll just make the point because of, you know, kind of what we're talking

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about now, but like it is feel good in not a sense that everything is going

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to necessarily be OK.

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It's feel good in the sense that there are people are moving in a direction

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that has a lot of potential and positive, like positive momentum, maybe,

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which which is always like kind of a kind of a cooler approach to a happily

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ever after, you know, more of a generic

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conclusion to this, you know, to the story to a movie.

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And I kind of appreciated the shit out of it for doing that.

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Not kind of. I did.

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And it there wasn't too much like drama.

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Little pops, little pops, little pops.

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Because because of the way that it does, it would be a little bit of the

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criticism of of just how it's handled with Kirsten Dunce and how.

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And you do feel bad for her, but how it's portrayed in the movie is a little.

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Like blunt force objects of of dealing with emotions in a movie rather than.

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A little more subtlety, but you know, that's that's.

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I mean, absolutely fair.

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like if you were to like, you know, kind of take a step like our like kind of not

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let the movies like guilty pleasureness of it get to you and and and with a more

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critical eye, you're like a lot of this stuff is like really hamfisted and

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signaling from like a mile away.

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Like you have an idea of like how everybody is going to kind of have their

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dramas in this from very early on in the movie.

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Because the yeah, it's just.

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That first scene of the classroom man just, you know, really sets up like I'm

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this type of character. I was a crazy one.

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It's a lot of that's when it came off like unnatural and it almost would seem

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like in certain instances, like people weren't in the same room together,

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even talking to each other because it was so overly scripted in a way where

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people are just now I say my thing and I say yours rather than like it being

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Congress together, but the students just knowing everything and then

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like just downplaying the teacher in such a way was such a weird, unnatural

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way of introducing the two. I get that it wants to set them at odds, but

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the way that they that happened just is strange.

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It is very strange because yeah, I mean, what we would arguably be used to is

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the teacher is not confident in her ability to communicate the the subject

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or like, you know, the curriculum or whatever, but it's not, but the kids

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are like, yeah, they're not experts on this yet or they are.

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teacher. Well, it's not like that's totally true, but you get a lot of

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that's totally true, but you get what I mean.

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And instead it's like, all of them are such nerds, I guess is really what I'm

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getting at. A bunch of nerds.

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Everybody read the entire textbook before.

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And even if they did go like, I don't know, going through the motions

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and classes a part of it. Sorry. Sure. Yeah.

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It was just trying to like, obviously you guys know that it's just trying to

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show that they're overachievers and like they run them and their families run

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the school, like they run Westley, like teachers just yeah, they don't

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hold the power at that school.

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I think obviously you guys know that's what they were trying to like say.

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Yeah, but the way it was done, it just wasn't. Yeah.

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like they've never been in a classroom before.

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Like even if you do know more than the teacher, you're a college age student.

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Like you've had to have had high school teachers where this was the case too.

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And you're all just going to like talk over her as she presents it.

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Or just yeah, there's also like all coming from like privileged backgrounds.

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So like they just they what whatever they do goes, you know,

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like whatever they do and say goes so they kind of make the rules.

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And I think they were just trying to prove that to her, like show her that

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they are in control of the situation.

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Yeah, the end result satisfied what they wanted.

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But I guess getting there for me just it was a little some of that stuff

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is a little clunky, just how it's how it's portrayed.

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But I understand that them kind of hazing her as a new teacher

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and into the new regime and everything.

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And she is a little bit of an outsider to all of them,

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even as students and everything. So I can see from that side.

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But how it was done was just a little clunky.

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The fall the follow up to it.

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I overall enjoyed that scene of her kind of trying to

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get I always like those scenes in these kind of these kind of movies

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of a teacher trying to make them think differently.

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And that's where they wanted to get as well as having this opening scene of

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100 percent of like, oh, well, if that's how it's going to be,

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then let me really try to teach you something or make you think for yourself

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and learn to be independent and not try to just regurgitate

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what's being given to you through this book that everyone's read

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and knows like the back of their hand and everything.

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It's like, OK, well, how do you feel?

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And that's a that's the overall thrust of what she's trying to do for them

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and everything. And I think that's something again,

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and in these kind of movies of teaching kids independence

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in a coming of age story is I.

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and coming female actresses or actress, I'm sorry, of the time.

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how familiar you are with their work,

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where they were, you know, have they been

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into, you know, kind of have you followed them from, you know,

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from not this movie necessarily, but like all of them have been

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in working actors for a while now.

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And I'm curious how everybody feels about like maybe your favorite person,

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be it, you know, it doesn't necessarily have to be like the character,

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but how well the actor actors like doing that character.

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But nonetheless, like we got Kirsten Dunst, Julia Stiles, Maggie Jill and Hall.

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And then Jennifer Goodwin, I'm the least familiar with.

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But I, she's been in stuff.

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I feel like, God, she was on.

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A big part of a TV show that's like.

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Once upon a time. Once upon a time.

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That's what it is. Snow White.

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Yeah, which is obviously I would assume is an enormous character in that show.

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That's probably, yeah.

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I mean, from 2011 to 2018, once upon a time.

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So that's a lot of time.

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What a popular show. Also magnetized 78, 78.

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But it is a movie. So we would.

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It's a TV show, so we would include that.

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But she's going to walk the line.

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Oh, yeah.

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OK. Yeah.

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That after that was after this.

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2005. Yeah. A couple of years after.

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When a date with Ted Hamilton was 2004.

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And the other one too.

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He's not into you or something like that.

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We're like, yes, he's just.

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Yeah, he's just not.

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Yeah, he's just not. Oh, my God.

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Yes. Yeah.

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Oh, yeah. Totally.

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I don't know if I really liked that movie, but I did see it.

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That's for sure, because it had.

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I just remember E from entourage in it.

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What's his face?

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God, yeah, that was one of those like,

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you know, romcoms with just a bunch of couples and characters in it.

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Yeah, which I can definitely like most people are a sucker for.

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Yeah. And then who else is in this?

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She was great in this movie.

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I'll just say Lily Jennifer.

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Yeah, I like her.

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I really liked her character.

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Yeah, a lot.

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I think she was doing some great work here.

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She's charming.

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And she really did deep on some crying stuff that was really emotional.

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I also like really more so than others got a lot of like her.

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Her like development, like an actual change in her life.

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Change in her character was noticeable.

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Yeah, you know, from beginning to end of the movie, which man, yeah, I think.

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And her relationship is a bit like a story of her relationship was wholesome

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and hard-working and you were expecting their confrontation to be more negative

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from coming from him of him moving on to a different girl and and, you know,

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trying to hide her away and everything.

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All that all that stuff and like the how he was trying to reach out to her

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and she actually acted upon those negative inclinations that ultimately

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like sabotaged her own wants and desires and everything.

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Yeah, I liked. Yeah.

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And the guy from the bear that that's.

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Yeah, man. Oh, baby.

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Bear or baby cousin.

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Baby cousin.

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Because.

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He's great.

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Beautiful. He's got very pretty eyes.

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Yeah.

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And he's a yeah, he's in that was a and or show.

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He's he's really good.

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Oh, is it? OK.

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Yeah, he's really good in that.

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He's just awesome as an actor overall.

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Yeah. And was it Kristen Ritter is under name and like.

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She says nothing in the movie.

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I wish so.

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She says anything.

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Yes, she's kind of there.

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Zero things.

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And she's just in the background.

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And then there's one scene in particular where like somebody walks.

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I think like Julia Roberts walks by her.

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So she's like very prominently on the screen.

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And they just really blew me away that I'm like, wow, so she's just not going

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to have anything to say in this one.

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That's crazy, you know, from kind of what term, you know, how her.

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There's already too many women.

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There's too many women talking and can't have more women talking.

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I mean, it's like one of those kids in the movies that's like, oh,

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that kid's been in all the Harry Potter movies, hasn't said anything.

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Oh my God, I agree, Kara, because like and I think I don't want to agree because,

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you know, I mean, it's like, well, if there's a bunch of great characters,

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it's like, you know, more please.

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But the movie doesn't handle well, all of these characters.

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There's like a there's like a period in like the middle,

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front middle of this movie where it's jumping between all of them so quickly

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where it kind of blew me away that a like checking in on what this character is up

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to was so incredibly brief.

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Like I feel like we would just get like a scene of a character where they have like

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like very few lines of dialogue and then exactly what you mean.

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Yeah, editing in this movie was.

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Yeah, kind of pretty clunky and how it's shot and everything, too, was.

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Yeah, not.

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Great and not.

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They were just like, yeah, uneven and just the way that the cuts and at which point

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that they would cut and how the shot would be composed was little if he had some parts.

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And I know Kara and I even were just like commenting on when like the car you commented

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on when like there was like a crane shot or something that was overlooking,

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you know, a nice part of the campus, but it just wasn't composed in a way that

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there was focus on any object. It was just all like there in the shot.

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Yeah, it was just kind of just and then it cut away and had a weird point of it

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and it just seemed kind of forced in rather than purposeful.

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However, I did like some of the lighting in this movie and I'm wondering if that's

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a combination of like glowy, like morning light mixed with shooting on film

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on a bunch of beautiful women's faces.

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Like, uh-huh. And the campus seemed really beautiful to me.

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Like, I don't know, just the light on their faces just looked so nice and glowy

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and everything and their complexion and all that.

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Maybe that was a part of it, but I don't know.

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Yeah, like the morning time and the campus and it's a it was a nice,

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nice campus and then all that stuff too.

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So maybe it just looks good for those those reasons, but I'll give it that credit.

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There's something about this time that was maybe it's missing like the little

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bit of that filmmaking sort of feel a little bit warmer sort of tone tones.

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They didn't get enough like shots during production and like they just needed

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to like fill in little missing things to show passage of time and just.

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Yeah, I know what you mean, like the editing didn't feel.

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Or it just there was just a lot of unnecessary scenes.

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That didn't really do anything other than like show time passing.

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Yes. Yeah.

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Yeah, check in with every one of the characters every every now and then.

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And it would be like a floor like there were a couple of times

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when it's like, what was the point of that?

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Like, why did we just why did we just jump over show a little something

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and then jump away and it's like maybe for characterization or something.

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But it didn't it didn't.

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And then anything else going on.

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It just was like also this, but you know, the hell anything.

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And it was just it was just a little strange and clunky, but in these kind of movies,

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like it's cool to be with the characters in the coming of age thing.

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But this all this movie also is.

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Like kind of perp, perp, perposing itself with some loftier ideas.

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So you kind of want them to get to those a little bit more if they are going

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to try to accomplish talking about some of the loftier things.

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And they save those moments for some.

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Yeah, some pops, like some really intense dramatic moments that kind of culminate,

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which. I'm a little I don't know.

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I'm a little mixed on on some of it, but the overall messaging

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and the the heart seems to be in the right place for a lot of it.

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So the the momentum overall, I think it's me of of the movie.

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Yeah, totally. For a period of time, I was like,

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is this not passing the Beck Dell test?

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I felt like so much of this movie was like women talking about boys

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like a majority of the time.

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And I and it just like really kind of drove me nuts where I'm like, man,

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I really want like these girls to like talk about their interests more.

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And everybody's just consistently talking about like who's dating who,

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you know, or when is somebody going to get married and all of that stuff.

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And it just it was really at a point driving me nuts where it was legitimately

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like up and like 40 minutes into the movie.

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I was like, has any is anybody here talked about anything other than just like?

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Yeah. When are you going to start a family?

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When are you going to get married? Who are you?

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And it was really.

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And I know it was like heavily focused on like women choosing their career

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or like themselves versus a family life.

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But like it kind of is clear that it was written and directed by a man where

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were like, maybe they're like, this is what we're going to talk about.

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This is like 100 percent. Yeah.

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I mean, we do talk about a lot of that stuff, but I mean, they're just like

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we said earlier, there wasn't very there wasn't a lot of death

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till like a lot of stuff they were saying.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I enjoyed the discussions of art history.

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I thought that was something that was universal.

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That was had a universality to it, regardless of of what

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move you're watching about whoever, like just like the at this time,

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the idea within the college system, too,

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of pushing against Julia Roberts to not teach modern art and not to even consider it.

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And I like that. I like how she used the word consider the Jackson Pollock painting

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to consider modern art as as with, you know, the Sistine Chapel.

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And even if you haven't been there, you haven't seen it in all this gatekeeping

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about what art should be and everything that was a side of this movie that I'd,

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you know, I wasn't sure what I wanted more of.

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It kind of does a little bit of everything it says on the surface, but

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that is an aspect of it overall, not to want to change the movie or anything.

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But that is that is an aspect that I liked.

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It is a little hamfisted when she shows all the, you know,

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the propaganda of the advertisements of women.

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That's a little hamfisted.

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But while, but also her point is really is really valid.

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Oh, my God.

430
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And everything is just very like in your. Yeah.

431
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But I mean, it's a good and I like that idea that they're using advertising.

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It's like, is this our end?

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Trying to question what art is all that all that stuff, I think, was I was globbing

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on to a lot. Yeah.

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Those were some of my favorite moments.

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Like, yeah, like when they were talking about art.

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And I liked her relationship with Julius Stiles's character.

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Like, I know there wasn't that much like progression from her character,

439
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but like anything, she's like a very normal woman like that.

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She knew what she wanted.

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She's like, I want to play at a law school, but I still want to get married.

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Like she didn't really have any conflicts and it's fine.

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Like you don't have to have conflicts.

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Like you can also be a woman that's like, I know what I want.

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And her relationship with Julius Stiles or I mean, with Julia and Julia.

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Julia and Julia.

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They both, I don't know, it was just nice to have like that woman

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mentor in her life.

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And I liked that relationship a lot because it's OK.

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Like you don't have to like.

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There doesn't have to be conflict.

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It's OK to be a feminist and still want to do what people would say is not

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feminist and like get married and all that stuff.

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So yeah, she elopes, she's doing exactly what she

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wanted to do, seems like how she wants to.

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And even if that is like a mutual love between her and and Topher

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and in figuring out what life means for both of them.

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But I just want to enjoy the how that story came to fruition.

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That seemed to be the main thrust of the story as well because Julia Roberts

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and the journey that she goes on has has some to do with the art,

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push art history and pushing back on that and everything

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and how she wants to teach her classes.

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She has her romantic entanglements as well.

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But I think how she looks at Julia Stiles character

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really validates all of those arcs in in one singular moment

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when she tries to offer her all these other law schools in the Philadelphia area

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and tells her that she can do it and she and she rebuffs her and tells her,

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you know, this is how I want to live my life.

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And I think that acceptance from Julia Roberts just brings all of

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what she's been learning throughout the movie to a close

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in a pretty nice way through Julie Stiles and how vicariously

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Julia Roberts was trying to kind of live through her or use her as

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as a point, you know, within within her,

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you know, teaching methods at the school and everything.

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And I think learning about that and how she was what she was doing

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with with her students and all that realized you need to look a little bit

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more inward and and maybe go back to her life in a different way.

478
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,560
But yeah, there's no one way to be a feminist

479
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,560
and you can't gatekeep being a feminist, you know, which was

480
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,120
yeah, like this is the right way to be a feminist.

481
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:08,400
This is how you do feminism.

482
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,840
I like that moment a lot.

483
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,600
Yeah, there is multiple ways you can be a feminist.

484
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,720
And so.

485
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,840
I don't know how well, though, I like Julia Stiles as an actor

486
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,160
because like I was really struggling with I like what her character was about.

487
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,360
But she just has such a like.

488
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,680
I don't know.

489
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,920
It's not like an expressive face.

490
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,520
It's kind of very

491
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,640
statuette and I don't know.

492
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,840
There's something about it that just it's at times I was like me

493
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,240
like I miss reading her performances like she's too smart.

494
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,480
So she's like thinking about something else and she's not present in the moment.

495
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,920
Or her. It's just maybe it came off to me as like an aptitude.

496
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,920
But it just this was the like her performance, I think, was something

497
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,120
that stuck out to me the most is being like, I don't know if she is able.

498
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:15,000
Like the stuff that she had to work with, she wasn't in my mind handling it all that well.

499
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,480
I just I understand that like on the flip side, then there's Kirsten Dunn,

500
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,840
who was like, wow, going like swing into the fences, like every single conversation

501
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,880
she's in, she's like, you know, kind of got this body language thing going on.

502
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,080
And she's just like so much as being said with her eyes and your sentences like.

503
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,680
Who like what they're what they're tasking her with.

504
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,720
And I agree with you completely, but that what they're tasking her

505
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,680
with the writing there and near the second half of this movie

506
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,360
after she's married and going through everything that she's going through

507
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,840
with her husband at that time and how she changes as a character is.

508
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,080
Tough to handle as an actress in those scenes because we're like, OK,

509
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,400
Kirsten, these next two scenes, you're going to be a complete asshole to your friends

510
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,560
and just tear them a new one.

511
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,200
I know, like you're going to enter stage left.

512
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,760
You're going to get to feel like complete shit and then leave twice in a row.

513
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,320
And it's just like that's going to go back to my empty house.

514
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,480
She I mean, she may she has conviction in everything that she says.

515
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,680
And she has and she's aiming to hurt in those scenes and everything.

516
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,760
But near the end, you're just like, whoa, geez, God.

517
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,680
Because she she lays it on Connie about Jennifer Goodwin about

518
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:41,080
he's just trying to like he's already with somebody like you hide you from the world

519
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,480
and and everything like that.

520
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,640
And then she goes and then the second one, I think that was

521
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,080
that's where it just got to be a little a little much where she just

522
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,240
walks through the door on Maggie

523
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,040
Dylan, the character and it's just like, yeah, well, I hear you're turning tricks.

524
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,000
And everybody knows everybody knows it's always her move is this

525
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,840
and everybody knows it. You know, it's like, oh,

526
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,720
wasn't it so she breaks down and then how she reacts to her.

527
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,040
Yeah, she could have been like, well, I saw your fucking like

528
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,640
asked thinking the movie and my that's

529
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,280
my money's on that.

530
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,120
That's where it's like this.

531
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,440
That's what I mean, like this movie.

532
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,440
Yes, it has its downfalls, but like it's heartwarming.

533
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,840
It's feel good.

534
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,600
Like it's not the greatest movie in the world, but like it has those moments.

535
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,640
Like I when I watched this yesterday, I like to cheer it up a couple of times.

536
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,360
You know, because like, you know, you could have all these problems.

537
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,720
But when you have your tribe, when you have your group of girls

538
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,800
and they're there to support you, it's like one of the best feelings in the world.

539
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,520
Like I mean, same for men, I'm sure, too, just to have your group of people,

540
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,400
you know, in general, universal to me in the last scene with them.

541
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,600
The boys. The boys.

542
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,000
The last thing that I'm writing the bikes and, you know, saying goodbye to her

543
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,000
was just a really nice.

544
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,400
Yeah, that's just I really I felt good.

545
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,160
Yeah, she's like crying in the back of the car.

546
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,960
And it's just it's so fucking touching because like it's great.

547
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Like I'm like, I said at the top about where this movie leaves us is

548
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,720
she makes the decision not to return.

549
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,640
She's going to go do this whole thing.

550
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,640
She doesn't know if it's going to work out, but there's just like such a

551
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:30,000
like new lease on life that is going to help define this next part of her.

552
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,320
And I am just so proud of Julia.

553
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,320
Julia Roberts for doing it.

554
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,480
And it made me so happy.

555
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:42,480
And yeah, but that scene man with Kirsten Dunn's and Maggie Jill, which

556
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,960
Maggie Jill and all is my favorite in the movie.

557
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,080
I mean, it's not surprising.

558
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:52,320
I'm surprised because she's like the only one that's really like outside

559
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,760
of the school a lot of the time.

560
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,080
So like if if wherever, like at the bar or like just out in public

561
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,080
somewhere, Maggie's there, everybody else is so relegated to like being on campus

562
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,280
or Kirsten's dunces like at her, you know, home.

563
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,720
But Maggie's like out and about town.

564
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:11,800
She's been mad.

565
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,360
Very gay.

566
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,600
And it was surprising to me how much I liked Maggie's performance

567
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,240
because typically I don't like her.

568
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,840
She just has this like.

569
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,880
Very like snooty.

570
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,040
She's kind of got that like Anne Hathaway.

571
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Yeah.

572
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:39,120
Vibes to me sometimes where she's just like, I don't know, under smoking her

573
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,120
cigarette and just being like, I.

574
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:41,960
Yeah.

575
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,960
So like, yeah, I'm such a Vespian, you know, it works for the.

576
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,120
Yeah, the youthful energy kind of just works for all of that.

577
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,560
But I'm kind of on the same boat as you.

578
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,280
I like I like stranger than fiction.

579
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,960
Maggie, Jill and Hall, she was getting there.

580
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,440
We're under her.

581
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,080
There's some other good, good roles, I'm sure, too.

582
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,000
But back to that emotional scene with Pearson, Doug's like, I had no idea

583
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,880
how that was going to end, like because.

584
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,000
The editing of this movie where Maggie was at in her like journey,

585
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,120
it was half expecting like she's in a really tough spot to like she's going

586
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,680
to fucking like she's going to punch her.

587
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,080
I seriously thought it was going to break out in a fight, you know, and then

588
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:30,280
for that to happen, it was like, maybe kind of like like other earlier parts

589
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,920
better because it seems so like smart and nuanced, like she's.

590
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:41,640
Sleeping around with psychology professors, she's into psychology and then

591
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,800
for it to like be put into action at such a moment where you could.

592
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,280
Like not hold on to your standards or not hold on to your convictions.

593
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,240
Instead, she does and she goes for it and says, like, no, what this person

594
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:01,400
is doing is they're hurting and I can see that and adding more pain to this

595
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,840
isn't what this person needs.

596
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,520
They need compassion and love to get through this because it's obviously

597
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,480
something that's missing.

598
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,560
And man, I was really like choked up and blown away.

599
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,280
Yeah, I was so relieved because I was worried that I was going to get

600
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,520
melodramatic and escalate the drama in a different way.

601
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:26,080
And I was happy and yeah, overall relieved to see it take that turn.

602
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,760
And that's what I was saying earlier is that, like, yes, there's drama.

603
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,440
There's things that happen to each character, but they never get too intense.

604
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,960
Like the drama is never like too dramatic.

605
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:37,880
That was the closest.

606
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:38,520
At least I don't.

607
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,640
I don't think dissipated in a great way.

608
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:41,080
Yeah.

609
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,680
Yeah, it really kind of, yeah.

610
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,920
Because I mean, this movie could have been they get in a fight and then

611
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,320
it's reconciliation of that, right?

612
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,000
Yeah.

613
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,320
Yeah, it's more feel good.

614
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,080
I would say this movie is more leaning towards more feel good than

615
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,280
like it being this tragic, dramatic.

616
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,480
Julie Roberts makes them like stands as a teacher to illustrate a lesson

617
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,000
of showing the ads and then showing the Jackson Pollock painting.

618
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,800
But the drama between her and the students is only at the beginning

619
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,040
of the movie for that one scene.

620
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:18,480
And then it passed that they are all one on the same team.

621
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,560
Apart from maybe Kirsten Dunn's writing a few shmere pieces in the

622
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,760
paper, little yellow.

623
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,880
And that and fucking annoying.

624
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,320
I was like, why is all of this like stuff with the school administration

625
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,320
being so predicated on a student right in a fucking bedpiece and a paper?

626
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,480
Like, why aren't we if you're if you're really big part, everyone's

627
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,600
picking up the papers like also too, because I really loved

628
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:51,600
Julie at Stevenson, the like the teacher who gave the or nurse, maybe.

629
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,240
I don't know, like the person, the woman that gave the birth control.

630
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,160
Like I loved her like she was awesome from jump.

631
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,000
I was like, oh, she's got like such a cool, interesting vibe.

632
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,880
And then they just do away with her so quickly.

633
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,440
And I was like, fuck, man.

634
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:13,800
And so then it just kind of left me being like, she got she got fired.

635
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,840
Because I hear say in a bunch of like, where was the like, I don't know.

636
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,800
Kind of trial or some type of like legitimate evidence and shit that

637
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,640
came to light.

638
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,640
And it just to kind of fed back into this whole thing of like so much of

639
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Kirsten Dunn's is like influence on how things were going with like Julia Roberts

640
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,040
is like, you know, relationship with the administration, all that was all just

641
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,200
like so one student is bitching and moaning and we're just going to be like.

642
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,400
She comes from a powerful like they were talking about

643
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,000
how the alumni basically rule the school.

644
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:53,440
So like she comes from the alumni family and then she's married to the guy

645
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,880
who's like parents are keeping up with the Joneses.

646
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,720
So they all like influence the school more than anyone else.

647
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:03,680
100% yeah.

648
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:04,680
And I was.

649
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,080
Yeah, those are the Joneses.

650
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:09,960
I get that.

651
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,920
But and I know that this is a weird nitpick because I'm like, I want the

652
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,760
movie to be longer.

653
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,840
I needed to have a I needed to have like a yeah, some type of yeah,

654
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,960
like round table where they're like, OK, so here's, you know, here's the

655
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,160
evidence and this is why and all that stuff.

656
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,680
But anyways, it just it all kind of fed into like, God, Kirsten Dunn's

657
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,480
is just such a little fucking shit.

658
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,640
And I just the ability to be able to shuffle people away.

659
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,440
You don't think the same as you and aren't on the same like same, you

660
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,440
know, same uniform way of way of thinking as as the rest of the school

661
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,840
catered to the, you know, the dynamic of of what the school represented

662
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,000
and what Julia Roberts represented and coming in there and everything

663
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,560
and being able to illustrate that.

664
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,640
Oh, if you get them to think too independently or on their own,

665
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,080
then they can just shuffle you away very easily.

666
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,760
But yeah, it's a bomber.

667
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:10,080
I mean, yeah, I would though I was waiting for that to come back in a way as well.

668
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,040
In my mind, I thought someone was going to get pregnant because there was a

669
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,320
lack of, you know, birth control contraception and like Maggie

670
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,760
Jalen Hall or something in Dominic West.

671
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:30,000
We're going to have a little, you know, absolutely baby bill done bar.

672
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,520
Baby Bill.

673
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,440
Maxi McNulty Man.

674
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,400
We got some, uh, yeah, some, uh, good décode on older men in this movie

675
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,560
that John John slattery cool to see.

676
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,800
His satellables…

677
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:47,920
yard.

678
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,840
Yeah, it's like, wow, man.

679
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,720
You got Dominic West and John slattery slattery role while Slattery

680
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,800
fucking rips.

681
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,560
I love that guy.

682
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,800
Yeah.

683
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,520
He was caught.

684
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,080
Yeah.

685
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,760
He played like a politician,但 he'd have.

686
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,760
Very cool.

687
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:06,560
But yeah, I didn't care for like any of Julia Roberts's relationships.

688
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,460
I'm like, I don't really care to get into her like love life.

689
00:40:09,460 --> 00:40:13,160
Like I just want her to be like invested in the students.

690
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,060
Like I don't know.

691
00:40:14,060 --> 00:40:17,460
I didn't want to know about her relationship with Dominic West.

692
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,860
I mean, John Slattery.

693
00:40:18,860 --> 00:40:23,060
Slattery was glad that she didn't at least end up with either of them.

694
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,160
Yeah, that's kind of right.

695
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,260
But yeah, like, huh?

696
00:40:26,260 --> 00:40:26,760
Yeah.

697
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,860
It didn't. Yeah, it didn't nothing really came out of it besides just her.

698
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,360
Well, people came, James, but you know, I did.

699
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,460
Julia Roberts and Julia.

700
00:40:40,460 --> 00:40:43,860
Apparently Julia Roberts's husband at the time was like on set

701
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,760
during the love making scenes between her and Dominic West.

702
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:48,860
Although why?

703
00:40:48,860 --> 00:40:50,160
Which is barely anything.

704
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,200
He worked as like some second unit director or some shit.

705
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:53,560
I don't know.

706
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:54,760
He like worked on the movie.

707
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,760
Oh, okay. No, I'm not.

708
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,460
So he had to use this in there like, I don't know, Dominic.

709
00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:02,760
I might do it a little differently.

710
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,360
But don't ask me.

711
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,560
Don't ask me.

712
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,760
I wouldn't know.

713
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,960
I don't know.

714
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,960
Just there were like no sex scenes.

715
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,960
It was just him laying by the fireplace and then yeah, it's pretty much it.

716
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,760
Like there wasn't like any intimate moment between them.

717
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,060
Maybe because he was on set.

718
00:41:19,060 --> 00:41:20,860
Yeah, there was no actual.

719
00:41:20,860 --> 00:41:21,360
Yeah.

720
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,560
Brandon said someone came.

721
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,160
I don't know.

722
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,360
I'm just kidding.

723
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,360
I mean, I would have said, I guess I, yeah, you're right.

724
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,960
I'm maybe I'm just making the assumption, but yeah, it seemed like

725
00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:33,760
Julian and John were having having some, yeah, having some fun sex.

726
00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:37,460
And then the Dominic stuff seemed yeah, what an Italian teacher.

727
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:38,860
I yeah.

728
00:41:38,860 --> 00:41:39,460
And you got it.

729
00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:41,260
It's all fraud.

730
00:41:41,260 --> 00:41:42,060
He's a fraud.

731
00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:42,960
He's a phony.

732
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:43,760
He's a fraud.

733
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,760
He's a phony.

734
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,660
He was stationed in Long Island.

735
00:41:47,860 --> 00:41:49,460
His his buddy was.

736
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:50,760
He was funny.

737
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,060
Well, yeah, that was such weird energy where he.

738
00:41:54,060 --> 00:41:54,760
Yeah, I don't know.

739
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,460
Like he is kind of this like bumbling nervous guy.

740
00:41:58,460 --> 00:42:01,660
But then when she bus in on him naked in the shower, he kind of

741
00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:05,960
just like stands at attention and goes like, Hey, that's her.

742
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,060
That's such a power move.

743
00:42:07,060 --> 00:42:08,660
Like, yeah, I'm naked.

744
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:10,560
But I'm like, oh, you look great.

745
00:42:11,260 --> 00:42:11,860
We did that.

746
00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:13,460
Right.

747
00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:14,060
But it's all just.

748
00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:14,660
Hey buddy.

749
00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:15,660
It's close.

750
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,360
You put those glasses on and then it's like, wow, you look great.

751
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,860
I'm all sudsy.

752
00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:23,860
My friend's called me sudsy.

753
00:42:23,860 --> 00:42:26,860
Yeah, that freon, but he's like, that's the future.

754
00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:29,860
He will make West.

755
00:42:29,860 --> 00:42:34,360
Go way back to Long Island, Italy, San Remo, whatever he said, bullshit.

756
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:35,860
Okay.

757
00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:37,860
So speed back to the infested stuff.

758
00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:42,860
So there's one male teacher on a at an all women's college, which

759
00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:44,860
I feel like is illegal.

760
00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:45,360
Right.

761
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,860
Like that can't be a thing.

762
00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:47,360
Yeah.

763
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,360
Is that it?

764
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:48,860
I don't know.

765
00:42:48,860 --> 00:42:53,860
If that's a thing or not only for Italian, only for the link, the

766
00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:56,860
language of Italian looking as Dominic was.

767
00:42:56,860 --> 00:42:57,860
Yeah.

768
00:42:57,860 --> 00:42:58,860
Only.

769
00:42:58,860 --> 00:42:59,860
Yeah.

770
00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:03,860
It just to me, I, I, yeah, these are the things that like stops

771
00:43:03,860 --> 00:43:06,860
my brain and I get wrapped up while I'm watching these movies.

772
00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:08,860
I just like literally for, I feel like five minutes.

773
00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:12,860
I was just like thinking about like, I don't think that would,

774
00:43:12,860 --> 00:43:13,860
they would do that.

775
00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:15,860
Like it would be a female perfectionist.

776
00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:20,860
Like, why would, and then the crazy thing is that the one male

777
00:43:20,860 --> 00:43:23,860
teacher at the college is hooking up with the students.

778
00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:26,860
I know you're like, and it's okay.

779
00:43:26,860 --> 00:43:27,860
Well,

780
00:43:27,860 --> 00:43:29,860
why is it just getting away with this?

781
00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:30,860
Like, I don't know.

782
00:43:30,860 --> 00:43:32,860
And they seem so anal about everything else.

783
00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:36,860
They brought it up so many times and I'm like, why are they still?

784
00:43:36,860 --> 00:43:38,860
Like doesn't get punished or anything.

785
00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:39,860
He's just like,

786
00:43:39,860 --> 00:43:40,860
I don't know.

787
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:41,860
I don't know.

788
00:43:41,860 --> 00:43:42,860
I don't know.

789
00:43:42,860 --> 00:43:45,860
He's like, he like doesn't get punished or anything.

790
00:43:45,860 --> 00:43:47,860
He's just like, don't do it.

791
00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:48,860
It's really, really, Rob.

792
00:43:48,860 --> 00:43:49,860
I'm just like, just don't do that.

793
00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:50,860
He speaks a little Italian.

794
00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:51,860
He gets his way out of it.

795
00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:53,860
Yeah.

796
00:43:53,860 --> 00:43:54,860
I, oh man.

797
00:43:54,860 --> 00:43:55,860
Yeah. No, totally.

798
00:43:55,860 --> 00:44:00,860
And it just, it's, it's too like, it's too stereotypical.

799
00:44:00,860 --> 00:44:04,860
You know, it's like a good, good looking Italian teacher at the

800
00:44:04,860 --> 00:44:07,860
all girl school is hooking up with his students.

801
00:44:07,860 --> 00:44:08,860
Okay.

802
00:44:08,860 --> 00:44:09,860
Right.

803
00:44:09,860 --> 00:44:10,860
Uh-huh.

804
00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:14,860
And yeah, it is weird because since we really only are with the

805
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:20,860
main cast, it then comes off as like everybody knows about the,

806
00:44:20,860 --> 00:44:21,860
him sleeping with people.

807
00:44:21,860 --> 00:44:24,860
So then it just seems like since we don't see anybody else's

808
00:44:24,860 --> 00:44:26,860
perspective on campus.

809
00:44:26,860 --> 00:44:29,860
So it just kind of seems like the whole campus understands that

810
00:44:29,860 --> 00:44:30,860
Mr.

811
00:44:30,860 --> 00:44:33,860
Bar is hooked up with his students and everybody just understands

812
00:44:33,860 --> 00:44:37,860
that, but somehow he, his position at the school is never in

813
00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:40,860
question. He never has any issues with the president.

814
00:44:40,860 --> 00:44:42,860
Like there isn't anything dealt with it.

815
00:44:42,860 --> 00:44:45,860
It's so bizarre for a movie about.

816
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:46,860
Like.

817
00:44:46,860 --> 00:44:50,860
Progressive, you know, you know, kind of.

818
00:44:50,860 --> 00:44:52,860
Lifestyles and ideologies.

819
00:44:52,860 --> 00:44:55,860
Like you're just going to have such a.

820
00:44:55,860 --> 00:44:58,860
Archaic, stereotypical situation happen.

821
00:44:58,860 --> 00:45:02,860
Strange, but at the same time, the double standard for the man,

822
00:45:02,860 --> 00:45:04,860
I guess would be the thing.

823
00:45:04,860 --> 00:45:09,860
It's like, uh, first of all, this was made in 2003.

824
00:45:09,860 --> 00:45:12,860
So of course, like, we'll just brush that off.

825
00:45:12,860 --> 00:45:13,860
Yeah.

826
00:45:13,860 --> 00:45:16,860
No, even like when I was like watching Dawson's Creek when I was

827
00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:20,860
young or like a couple of years ago, I was like, Oh, like Katie

828
00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:22,860
Holmes sleeps with her.

829
00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:25,860
One of her professors and it's just like part of the thing.

830
00:45:25,860 --> 00:45:27,860
So I don't know.

831
00:45:27,860 --> 00:45:29,860
It was 10 marina.

832
00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:30,860
I was going to say.

833
00:45:30,860 --> 00:45:31,860
Oh my God.

834
00:45:31,860 --> 00:45:35,860
That's so funny. Oh, it's funny to see him play like a serious

835
00:45:35,860 --> 00:45:36,860
role.

836
00:45:36,860 --> 00:45:40,860
It is hilarious to see that because he has been such a goof.

837
00:45:40,860 --> 00:45:41,860
I know.

838
00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:43,860
Seriously, too.

839
00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:46,860
Like he's not like trying to be.

840
00:45:46,860 --> 00:45:48,860
Your ironic or anything like that.

841
00:45:48,860 --> 00:45:49,860
It's great. Yeah.

842
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:51,860
But yeah, that was just like kind of a thing.

843
00:45:51,860 --> 00:45:52,860
And.

844
00:45:52,860 --> 00:45:53,860
I don't know.

845
00:45:53,860 --> 00:45:55,860
Like, but then I don't know.

846
00:45:55,860 --> 00:45:56,860
Like, okay.

847
00:45:56,860 --> 00:46:01,860
You get, I actually am just not sure about this, but like when

848
00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:03,860
you're in college, you are what?

849
00:46:03,860 --> 00:46:04,860
Like 20?

850
00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:05,860
Are you 21 in college?

851
00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:08,860
You started 18 and then you go till you're 21.

852
00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:09,860
So.

853
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:10,860
Legal.

854
00:46:10,860 --> 00:46:12,860
Like I don't know how that works in college.

855
00:46:12,860 --> 00:46:14,860
Like high school would be definitely weird.

856
00:46:14,860 --> 00:46:17,860
But like, are they trying to say like, Oh, like.

857
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:20,860
You are per your progressive living so you can.

858
00:46:20,860 --> 00:46:21,860
You can.

859
00:46:21,860 --> 00:46:26,860
I don't know.

860
00:46:26,860 --> 00:46:28,860
She just doesn't hold it fully against him.

861
00:46:28,860 --> 00:46:30,860
She just says no more from here on out.

862
00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:33,860
Like while we're together, you cannot do it, but she does not

863
00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:36,860
say like, she does not pass any judgment beyond.

864
00:46:36,860 --> 00:46:37,860
Yeah.

865
00:46:37,860 --> 00:46:38,860
Don't do it anymore.

866
00:46:38,860 --> 00:46:39,860
Yeah.

867
00:46:39,860 --> 00:46:40,860
She's involved now, but.

868
00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:41,860
She doesn't seem to hold it.

869
00:46:41,860 --> 00:46:43,860
She's willing to get entangled with him after the fact.

870
00:46:43,860 --> 00:46:44,860
So.

871
00:46:44,860 --> 00:46:45,860
Yeah.

872
00:46:45,860 --> 00:46:46,860
Doesn't make any sense.

873
00:46:46,860 --> 00:46:47,860
Yeah.

874
00:46:47,860 --> 00:46:51,860
That's a good.

875
00:46:51,860 --> 00:46:53,860
I was talking about Maggie Gyllenhaal's character.

876
00:46:53,860 --> 00:46:54,860
Like.

877
00:46:54,860 --> 00:46:55,860
Is it fine?

878
00:46:55,860 --> 00:46:56,860
Yeah.

879
00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:57,860
Yeah.

880
00:46:57,860 --> 00:47:00,860
Is that fine because she's like of age and it's her decision.

881
00:47:00,860 --> 00:47:01,860
Like, I don't know.

882
00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:04,860
I'm not sure what kind of school code there could be a school code.

883
00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:05,860
That's like, Hey.

884
00:47:05,860 --> 00:47:06,860
There's for sure.

885
00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:07,860
You know, you can't do that.

886
00:47:07,860 --> 00:47:08,860
Yeah.

887
00:47:08,860 --> 00:47:09,860
That was what I was working out.

888
00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:18,860
Maybe she, yeah, maybe.

889
00:47:18,860 --> 00:47:20,860
Because it would be consensual.

890
00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:24,860
They could just suspend or expel or something like deal with it

891
00:47:24,860 --> 00:47:27,860
within the school, internally within the school, but it wouldn't

892
00:47:27,860 --> 00:47:29,860
have to be anything beyond that.

893
00:47:29,860 --> 00:47:30,860
Maybe.

894
00:47:30,860 --> 00:47:34,860
But even like in the movie, like everyone on campus seems to know

895
00:47:34,860 --> 00:47:36,860
and they're getting away with it.

896
00:47:36,860 --> 00:47:37,860
So me.

897
00:47:37,860 --> 00:47:41,860
Yeah, it's really, yeah, it's a poor job by the movie to have that

898
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:45,860
thing because some sort of consequence or come coming of

899
00:47:45,860 --> 00:47:46,860
no, right.

900
00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:50,860
At some point at the end for him, you know, could be something

901
00:47:50,860 --> 00:47:55,860
that would be nice of him losing his position, you know, and.

902
00:47:55,860 --> 00:47:57,860
But maybe that's it.

903
00:47:57,860 --> 00:48:00,860
The fact that he doesn't, it's his point in itself too is that he

904
00:48:00,860 --> 00:48:03,860
gets, yeah, the double standard of being able to do whatever the

905
00:48:03,860 --> 00:48:08,860
hell he wants while the women get to get scrutinized more.

906
00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:11,860
Yeah, but doesn't take that doesn't take the efforts to

907
00:48:11,860 --> 00:48:13,860
illustrate that point too far either.

908
00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:15,860
So whatever.

909
00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:20,860
But I think the stuff with John Slattery too was left much to

910
00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:25,860
be desired in like what the point that was being made because.

911
00:48:25,860 --> 00:48:29,860
He is established as like, I will live here with you.

912
00:48:29,860 --> 00:48:34,860
Like I will go, you know, uproot myself, go follow you all of

913
00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:35,860
this.

914
00:48:35,860 --> 00:48:39,860
And then she just like immediately is dismissive about it.

915
00:48:39,860 --> 00:48:43,860
And then it ends really abruptly and really kind of ends off screen

916
00:48:43,860 --> 00:48:46,860
almost like the official ending of it.

917
00:48:46,860 --> 00:48:49,860
Obviously it's like alluding to that, you know, leading up to,

918
00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:52,860
you know, with the bar scene and the engagement and all that

919
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:53,860
stuff.

920
00:48:53,860 --> 00:48:57,860
But it's like, I just really didn't understand.

921
00:48:57,860 --> 00:48:59,860
It's not that I didn't understand.

922
00:48:59,860 --> 00:49:02,860
It's just, I think the movie poorly handled what that was

923
00:49:02,860 --> 00:49:07,860
supposed to represent of like, right, she's not going to.

924
00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:08,860
Settle down.

925
00:49:08,860 --> 00:49:12,860
Get married or change her life because he wants to do that.

926
00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:17,860
But again, it's just weird that you kind of established that he

927
00:49:17,860 --> 00:49:24,860
is so willing to work with her on whatever it takes to get there.

928
00:49:24,860 --> 00:49:30,860
To a degree, I understand that like he is proposing without her

929
00:49:30,860 --> 00:49:32,860
really expecting it.

930
00:49:32,860 --> 00:49:36,860
So there is a little bit of like, you know, is he as considerate

931
00:49:36,860 --> 00:49:39,860
to her like where she's at and all that, but I don't know.

932
00:49:39,860 --> 00:49:44,860
It just, again, it just came off as like weird that you would

933
00:49:44,860 --> 00:49:50,860
establish that he is such a like so in love and so willing to

934
00:49:50,860 --> 00:49:55,860
change his life and accommodate and then that causes her to

935
00:49:55,860 --> 00:49:58,860
just drop him like so quickly.

936
00:49:58,860 --> 00:50:02,860
I just wanted John Slattery around more.

937
00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:04,860
Maybe that's how I know I did enjoy him.

938
00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:05,860
Like, damn it.

939
00:50:05,860 --> 00:50:08,860
You got rid of Juliet Stevenson and John Slattery.

940
00:50:08,860 --> 00:50:10,860
It's definitely quickly definitely could have been fleshed

941
00:50:10,860 --> 00:50:13,860
out more in him showing up after three months and immediately

942
00:50:13,860 --> 00:50:16,860
doing that, maybe set her in a different way, but it could have

943
00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:21,860
fleshed out a little bit of more like confronting her

944
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:26,860
reasonings of letting that relationship die when it possibly

945
00:50:26,860 --> 00:50:31,860
had the possibility of that marriage commitment.

946
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:33,860
Is that what scared her?

947
00:50:33,860 --> 00:50:35,860
Is someone can confront her about that and have her actually be

948
00:50:35,860 --> 00:50:38,860
a little bit vulnerable about those feelings and said she

949
00:50:38,860 --> 00:50:42,860
just kind of goes on a rebound and it's never really addressed

950
00:50:42,860 --> 00:50:47,860
beyond that and she's just kind of in a, yeah, a state of motion,

951
00:50:47,860 --> 00:50:50,860
but there's not a lot of resonance on some of these more

952
00:50:50,860 --> 00:50:51,860
dramatic things.

953
00:50:51,860 --> 00:50:55,860
There's kind of blow ups here and there, but it doesn't resonate

954
00:50:55,860 --> 00:50:58,860
and a lot of the other things.

955
00:50:58,860 --> 00:51:02,860
Yeah, but should we kind of...

956
00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:04,860
Marsha Gayhardin?

957
00:51:04,860 --> 00:51:05,860
Topher Grace?

958
00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:07,860
I feel like we haven't really talked...

959
00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:09,860
I mean, I love Marsha Gayhardin.

960
00:51:09,860 --> 00:51:10,860
She's an amazing actress.

961
00:51:10,860 --> 00:51:15,860
I think just this is a role that maybe she's typecast into a

962
00:51:15,860 --> 00:51:20,860
lot of ways, but then also part of it is that kind of, yeah,

963
00:51:20,860 --> 00:51:23,860
obviously the housewife and everything and that kind of

964
00:51:23,860 --> 00:51:27,860
like church lady, I think of like the fog or the mist or

965
00:51:27,860 --> 00:51:31,860
whatever, the mist and she's kind of like crazy church lady

966
00:51:31,860 --> 00:51:32,860
in that one.

967
00:51:32,860 --> 00:51:38,860
And I think that side of it of, yeah, she is maybe straight

968
00:51:38,860 --> 00:51:43,860
lace housewife, sort of type a person, but with a lot of her

969
00:51:43,860 --> 00:51:47,860
characters, there's this underlying either sadness or sort

970
00:51:47,860 --> 00:51:48,860
of...

971
00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:49,860
Discontent, yeah.

972
00:51:49,860 --> 00:51:54,860
Yeah, or she's not fully convinced into her own line of thinking

973
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:57,860
even though she expresses it and how things should be.

974
00:51:57,860 --> 00:52:03,860
The way that she portrays that little subtle being off is

975
00:52:03,860 --> 00:52:05,860
really great in a lot of performances.

976
00:52:05,860 --> 00:52:09,860
And I thought her at the bar with that bartender was one of

977
00:52:09,860 --> 00:52:13,860
the highlights of her performance in this movie, amongst

978
00:52:13,860 --> 00:52:17,860
others, but her getting a little shit face and kind of revealing

979
00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:22,860
the truth of her husband of not being really dead and just

980
00:52:22,860 --> 00:52:25,860
running off without her.

981
00:52:25,860 --> 00:52:29,860
But then she still holds him with such reverence, is such an

982
00:52:29,860 --> 00:52:32,860
interesting sort of dynamic of...

983
00:52:32,860 --> 00:52:33,860
So interesting.

984
00:52:33,860 --> 00:52:36,860
And I think that's the kind of person of having it.

985
00:52:36,860 --> 00:52:39,860
For a movie that does have a lot of one-dimensional sides of it

986
00:52:39,860 --> 00:52:40,860
with the characters.

987
00:52:40,860 --> 00:52:44,860
That was a moment that was a little bit more complicated in

988
00:52:44,860 --> 00:52:50,860
terms of how she processes her emotions and how she still...

989
00:52:50,860 --> 00:52:54,860
Her ability to rationalize her in her mind and hold this man to

990
00:52:54,860 --> 00:53:01,860
such esteem and her just by mere fact that she married him

991
00:53:01,860 --> 00:53:06,860
kind of puts her in a higher place in her own way too.

992
00:53:06,860 --> 00:53:10,860
But then her being able to just hang out and watch TV and enjoy

993
00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:13,860
herself and Julie Roberts is like, let's go out.

994
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:14,860
Let's do something.

995
00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:16,860
She's like at school night.

996
00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:17,860
Let's watch TV this time.

997
00:53:17,860 --> 00:53:19,860
And Julie Roberts is trying to force her to do something that

998
00:53:19,860 --> 00:53:21,860
she doesn't really want to do.

999
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:25,860
She is content with what she's doing at home and how she's

1000
00:53:25,860 --> 00:53:26,860
living her life.

1001
00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:28,860
And that was another lesson I thought for Julie Roberts to be

1002
00:53:28,860 --> 00:53:35,860
like, hey, maybe freedom isn't what I want for everyone else.

1003
00:53:35,860 --> 00:53:37,860
Freedom is what they want for themselves.

1004
00:53:37,860 --> 00:53:40,860
And she wants to stay home and watch.

1005
00:53:40,860 --> 00:53:43,860
I love Lucy and I can't really blame her.

1006
00:53:43,860 --> 00:53:46,860
Even though Lucy's a commie.

1007
00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:51,860
Oh my God.

1008
00:53:51,860 --> 00:53:54,860
But I mean, that's an amazing point.

1009
00:53:54,860 --> 00:53:57,860
I don't really have much to add to it.

1010
00:53:57,860 --> 00:53:59,860
I think you said that really well.

1011
00:53:59,860 --> 00:54:03,860
I mean, just the, you know, she operates as the ying to the

1012
00:54:03,860 --> 00:54:05,860
yang of Julia Roberts.

1013
00:54:05,860 --> 00:54:07,860
And there's a lot of that situation, you know,

1014
00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:09,860
a lot of those types of situations in the movie,

1015
00:54:09,860 --> 00:54:10,860
but you're absolutely right.

1016
00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:14,860
Like she does provide that other side just like Julia rock or

1017
00:54:14,860 --> 00:54:18,860
Julia Styles does for her.

1018
00:54:18,860 --> 00:54:22,860
And those are, yeah, those are strong points in the movie where,

1019
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:24,860
you know, because like you said earlier, James,

1020
00:54:24,860 --> 00:54:28,860
of how the kids get on board with her pretty quickly into the

1021
00:54:28,860 --> 00:54:29,860
movie.

1022
00:54:29,860 --> 00:54:33,860
So those points of contention or those conflicts with her in

1023
00:54:33,860 --> 00:54:37,860
fleshing out and making more whole and providing more depth to

1024
00:54:37,860 --> 00:54:40,860
Julia Roberts as characters, all good.

1025
00:54:40,860 --> 00:54:42,860
It's all really, really good stuff.

1026
00:54:42,860 --> 00:54:44,860
And a lot of those TV shows, man.

1027
00:54:44,860 --> 00:54:45,860
Yeah.

1028
00:54:45,860 --> 00:54:48,860
I feel like I haven't heard about a couple of them.

1029
00:54:48,860 --> 00:54:51,860
I guess the song at one point, but that was like,

1030
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:54,860
they're trying to catch.

1031
00:54:54,860 --> 00:54:57,860
Essentially it was, it was like winning a date with like a handsome

1032
00:54:57,860 --> 00:55:00,860
man or something, but part of it was like him singing a song and

1033
00:55:00,860 --> 00:55:02,860
then guessing the song.

1034
00:55:02,860 --> 00:55:05,860
Speaking of music, the music was fun and it's been

1035
00:55:05,860 --> 00:55:06,860
consent.

1036
00:55:06,860 --> 00:55:08,860
I love that.

1037
00:55:08,860 --> 00:55:10,860
And then Tori Amos.

1038
00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:11,860
Yeah.

1039
00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:12,860
Yeah.

1040
00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:15,860
If we want to, I have a little music here.

1041
00:55:15,860 --> 00:55:16,860
I want to hear that.

1042
00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:22,860
I just want to give a sample of what that was like because she

1043
00:55:22,860 --> 00:55:27,860
was the singer and I believe the wedding scene.

1044
00:55:27,860 --> 00:55:28,860
Yeah.

1045
00:55:28,860 --> 00:55:30,860
It's kind of crazy.

1046
00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:31,860
The whole.

1047
00:55:31,860 --> 00:55:33,860
Who's invited to the wedding?

1048
00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:36,860
He says, in that impossible.

1049
00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:48,860
We really get a good shot of her and then like in the movie,

1050
00:55:48,860 --> 00:55:50,860
I was just like, yeah, who is this person?

1051
00:55:50,860 --> 00:55:52,860
My future is right on the horizon.

1052
00:55:52,860 --> 00:55:55,860
Tell them that the horizon is an imaginary line that recedes as

1053
00:55:55,860 --> 00:55:57,860
you approach it.

1054
00:55:57,860 --> 00:56:00,860
Because of you.

1055
00:56:00,860 --> 00:56:03,860
What a really nice time.

1056
00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:05,860
Thank you.

1057
00:56:05,860 --> 00:56:06,860
That's nice.

1058
00:56:06,860 --> 00:56:07,860
Thank you.

1059
00:56:07,860 --> 00:56:13,860
Thank you.

1060
00:56:13,860 --> 00:56:16,860
Send me photographs.

1061
00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:26,860
Just remember when a dream appears.

1062
00:56:26,860 --> 00:56:28,860
She's too good for you.

1063
00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:29,860
Maybe you're right.

1064
00:56:29,860 --> 00:56:30,860
Yeah.

1065
00:56:30,860 --> 00:56:33,860
This whole scene is kind of singing to the background.

1066
00:56:33,860 --> 00:56:38,860
He's got a wife and kids and a mortgage.

1067
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,360
Her drink is a little bit of a lot.

1068
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:42,360
It was all good.

1069
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:43,360
The white.

1070
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:44,360
Thank you guys.

1071
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:45,360
Yeah.

1072
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:51,860
Tori Ames and yes, just some fun music kind of streamed throughout.

1073
00:56:51,860 --> 00:56:56,860
The score, I guess, is okay.

1074
00:56:56,860 --> 00:57:02,360
The music really pops and I think it's because the score is just so generic.

1075
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,360
Yeah.

1076
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:08,360
It's very like pull off the shelf.

1077
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:16,360
I have a, you know, a period piece movie in the early 2000s, late 90s.

1078
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,360
Like, yeah, we got the B sides from Ciderhouse rules.

1079
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,360
You think that'll work?

1080
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,360
Right.

1081
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,360
Absolutely.

1082
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,360
Yeah.

1083
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:29,360
All of those movies just like, yeah, I don't know.

1084
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:30,360
Fucking dead poets.

1085
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,360
Maybe.

1086
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:32,360
Yeah.

1087
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:33,360
Yeah.

1088
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:34,360
That kind of thing.

1089
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:35,360
I mean, you mentioned Tofer Grace.

1090
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,360
He was, he was, uh, he was good.

1091
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,360
I mean, I always liked seeing Tofer like in the, I think that role, like, uh, he, he

1092
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,360
feels, feels pretty well.

1093
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:48,360
And he's, I guess he took some dancing lessons for the scene with Julia, but I, yeah, I guess

1094
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:55,360
I like how he portrays more of the benign weird side of the toxic masculinity and patriarchy

1095
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,360
sort of thing where it's like, he's just like, this is how it is.

1096
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:00,860
Like it's going to be great.

1097
00:58:00,860 --> 00:58:05,860
And he's not like imposing on Julia styles in this way that's like, she's got to, she's

1098
00:58:05,860 --> 00:58:07,860
my girl and she's got to do all this stuff for me.

1099
00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:11,360
I mean, he's just like, this is just the way of life.

1100
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:19,240
And this is how, and he's, he's just in such a more like complicit sort of, uh, not even,

1101
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:24,440
not even considerate sort of way to be inconsiderate would, would be one of the things that you

1102
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:30,400
could love the against him and, and not purposefully, but not like actively once you, once she

1103
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,160
confronts Julia styles about it, she's like, no, this is what we agreed upon us and we

1104
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,160
wanted to elope.

1105
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,160
And that's what we decided.

1106
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,240
So I don't know.

1107
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,560
You never, you never get a moment where Julia styles ever says like, this is not what I

1108
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:43,560
want.

1109
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:49,080
So it's, it's hard to really love me too much against him, but he's there definitely is

1110
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:56,880
a part of him that's wrapped up in the times that this is occurring in the role, gender

1111
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,800
roles of, of the time.

1112
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,680
I mean, Tofer, man, yeah, it's just good at playing that.

1113
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:03,880
Uh, yeah, I don't know.

1114
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,560
He just, it's the way that he talks.

1115
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:14,080
It gets to me where he's just, it's very, it's like his, um, kind of forgetting his

1116
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:25,280
character on, um, that's a new show on that 70s show, but it just, he's got this, um,

1117
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,000
it's not, he's a confident guy, but a confident idiot.

1118
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,000
Yeah.

1119
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000
Simpleton.

1120
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,000
Simpleton.

1121
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,280
Just kind of like, yeah, kind of, yeah.

1122
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,760
I like that side of him.

1123
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:37,760
Yeah.

1124
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:38,760
Me too.

1125
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:39,760
Me too.

1126
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:44,160
It's, um, because yeah, there was plenty of scenes in the movie where it showed him

1127
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,800
being considerate.

1128
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,480
It's not, yeah, it's not like you got the idea that he was really controlling of Julia

1129
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:54,600
styles, which yeah, I mean, that's to the credit of the movie because it's a lot of the times

1130
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,920
this movie doesn't, uh, I don't know.

1131
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:04,280
I would argue it doesn't handle all things that it's trying to do very well, but, um,

1132
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,840
I think setting up his character in that way.

1133
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:14,880
So you don't really think about, you know, toe for being like quote unquote controlling

1134
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:15,880
of Julia styles.

1135
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:21,800
And you really can kind of believe that, um, Julia styles is a partner and an active

1136
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:27,280
participant in the decision making that she's talking about going on as opposed to like,

1137
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:33,600
because you know, it's, it's very close in proximity, uh, to a very poor relationship

1138
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,200
with Kirsten Dunst and her husband.

1139
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:42,120
And so there is a little bit of muddying of like men are making decisions for women and

1140
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:46,280
that is a problem that this movie would like to address, whether it does it fully well

1141
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,600
as, you know, like just been talking about this whole time.

1142
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,200
But, um, yeah, I don't know.

1143
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,080
I think Topher does understand the assignment well.

1144
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,480
Um, and it is overall, yeah, I don't know, kind of funny.

1145
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,640
You know, he just, his energy kind of like, he's like a golden retriever.

1146
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:02,640
He's just like, yeah.

1147
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:03,640
Right.

1148
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:04,640
Oh, she's beautiful.

1149
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:05,640
Isn't she beautiful?

1150
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,640
Oh, she's so wonderful.

1151
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:08,640
Oh, she's the best.

1152
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,280
You're the bell of the bell of my ball.

1153
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,160
He doesn't like know what's going on.

1154
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:19,640
He's like not aware of dynamics, but he just like shows up and he's like, one of the introductory

1155
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:26,120
scenes of him is at this wedding, I believe, where he and the boys and the boys, they're

1156
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:32,400
like, all the, all the girls are like, look so well put together and, and beautiful.

1157
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,960
And, uh, they're having conversations and everything.

1158
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,920
And the men are sweaty.

1159
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:41,760
Have their shirts all like pulled up and everything and they're throwing around a fucking thing

1160
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,320
of bread as a football.

1161
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:44,920
And they're just inside.

1162
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:46,920
They're like, go along.

1163
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,640
And it's just a piece of bread or that he's like, and it's like, tofer, come on.

1164
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,520
When introducing, he's like, Hey, how's it going?

1165
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:54,520
You're so beautiful.

1166
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:55,520
Wow.

1167
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:56,520
What a beautiful day.

1168
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:57,520
Oh, throw me the bread, Jeremy.

1169
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:58,520
He has no problems in life.

1170
01:01:58,520 --> 01:01:59,520
No straight.

1171
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:00,520
I know, man.

1172
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:09,520
He just could understand if you would actually sit him down to be like, Hey, buddy.

1173
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:10,520
Yeah.

1174
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:12,520
So some real shits going on.

1175
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:13,520
Yeah.

1176
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,080
That's so funny to think about him.

1177
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:19,800
He's just like, yeah, nothing's going wrong with Tofer Grace's character in the slightest.

1178
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:24,440
He is like, no one's told him know his whole life.

1179
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,600
When is fully behind him, just pushed him along in life and everything's just like,

1180
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:29,600
you know, this is how it is.

1181
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:30,600
This is how things go.

1182
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:37,800
He's got a beautiful, smart girl that's like, you know, and he's got his like best pal and

1183
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:44,440
they're going to like all and be happy for some together, you know, married and have

1184
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,720
kids and their kids are going to be friends and then he loves vanilla ice cream cone.

1185
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:54,080
They give him the dog.

1186
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,080
Yeah.

1187
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:56,080
Puppet.

1188
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,080
Yeah.

1189
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:58,080
Puppet.

1190
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:03,600
You know, for the guy in the back, it's like, roll the down the window in the back.

1191
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:04,600
It's tofer.

1192
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:05,600
It's tofer.

1193
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:06,600
Puppet.

1194
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:11,440
You know, well, yeah, I'm done to go into some reviews.

1195
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:18,160
If you guys are there is one thing I just I can't be remiss to mention is I thought

1196
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:26,400
it was so funny to me how all of the guys at the all boys school react to a girl over

1197
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,560
like in their dormitory.

1198
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:29,560
It just cracked me.

1199
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:30,560
Oh, that was funny.

1200
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:31,560
Yeah.

1201
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:35,560
Because I was like, these guys are such dorks.

1202
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,560
They are such dorks.

1203
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,240
What are you talking about?

1204
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,240
You're going to bang the door down.

1205
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:47,240
Oh, you can't have a girl in here.

1206
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:51,240
Hey, don't get the fuck out of here.

1207
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,240
Oh my God, the drill.

1208
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,280
At least the girls have the cool like little hangout where you had to raise your hands

1209
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,520
in the air and and solemnly swear you're up to no good.

1210
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,360
And there you had a bunch of booze.

1211
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,360
Yeah, girls are cool.

1212
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:07,360
Okay.

1213
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:08,360
Yeah.

1214
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,360
I want to play the cello that would just like fun.

1215
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,640
It's just like cooler than those guys on that dorm to hang out and you just got a cello

1216
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:14,640
there.

1217
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,360
You just add dramatic effect to certain things you were saying like you did.

1218
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,360
She's like, why do you have to be so difficult?

1219
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:28,360
I love the cello.

1220
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,280
God, I want to slip past part of the whole movie.

1221
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,360
Number one instrument I want to want to learn one day.

1222
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,360
Why are you always like this?

1223
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:43,360
She's like, Kirsas being like an asshole or something like, can you just lighten up?

1224
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:49,440
Yeah, my Jack Jackson Polluxy and I thought was, I guess, we haven't mentioned too much

1225
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:50,440
about that.

1226
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,760
I thought that was a strong point in the movie.

1227
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,360
And I really, again, loved how she told them.

1228
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:57,360
Good.

1229
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:58,360
That's all you had to do.

1230
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,360
Don't.

1231
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,440
Yeah, you don't have to whatever I'm paraphrased, but you just have to consider it.

1232
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:04,440
You don't have to do it in assignment.

1233
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:05,440
You don't have to do anything.

1234
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,080
You just have to consider it and I love that.

1235
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:16,440
And I think that message is something that was a coming of age thing for me of recognizing

1236
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:24,920
modern art as into consider it as with anything else that's ever occurred in history and putting

1237
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:30,680
it on the same level as everything else and embracing the time that you're living in and

1238
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,720
the trend setters of your day is something to be excited about.

1239
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:44,240
And I would recommend and consider everyone's choices in life, you know, like just don't

1240
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:49,360
judge someone because they don't choose the same thing as you or have the same values

1241
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,440
as you just consider it.

1242
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:56,720
Like just consider why they are like that and why.

1243
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,960
At least try to make that your default setting.

1244
01:05:58,960 --> 01:05:59,960
Sure.

1245
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:02,720
You can consider it not like choices being made.

1246
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,400
You know, and from there on whatever.

1247
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:10,840
But like, you know, if you just if you start from this is more of a neutral thing, I'm

1248
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,520
going to just consider it as a thing that exists.

1249
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,120
Then I can stack my own opinion.

1250
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:19,480
I mean, that is really, really such a healthy thing to do in life in general.

1251
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,720
One thing I'll say about the Jackson Pollack is just I love fucking modern art so much

1252
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,920
and it blew me away again.

1253
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:26,920
I feel like I will.

1254
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,680
This will probably happen multiple times every time I just consider Jackson Pollack as an

1255
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:38,160
artist of what year it was when he was making art, when he passed away.

1256
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:46,000
It is so contemporary that you're like, wait a minute, he made that in the late 40s.

1257
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,480
Like what are you talking about?

1258
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:56,200
Like, oh, just the lack of convention, the just pure expression like, oh my God, it was

1259
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:57,200
it.

1260
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,920
I had to look it up again of like.

1261
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:03,640
Like, for some reason, I was like, no, Jackson Pollack was making art in the late 60s.

1262
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,440
Like that's when he had to be making art.

1263
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:06,440
It's not.

1264
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:07,920
He was making it in the 40s.

1265
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,320
Actually went through the same experience.

1266
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:19,120
I started reading this book that I got from LACMA of these artists from New Mexico.

1267
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:20,960
They're like transcendental.

1268
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,480
They're the transcendental painting group.

1269
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,400
And I was like, oh my God, these paintings are like out of the world.

1270
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:27,400
So surreal.

1271
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,720
It must have been like the 80s or something.

1272
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:34,960
It actually looks like similar to this kind of style and color palette.

1273
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,960
And it was like, yeah, I think it was like 30s or 40s.

1274
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,040
And they are just like ahead of their time.

1275
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,040
Oh my God.

1276
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,040
Like artists are incredible.

1277
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:49,040
I know this sounds so cheesy, but like they are just so ahead of their time sometimes that

1278
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:55,040
like people don't people don't appreciate that stuff till later on or, you know.

1279
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:58,160
Absolutely, and it's like this interview.

1280
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,560
I'm sure, Kara, maybe you've seen it with Ethan Hawke and he talks about the importance

1281
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:08,840
of art and he's like more often than not, people don't value or or they don't value

1282
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,640
art until they really need it.

1283
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:16,440
And it's one of those things where, you know, you can't just.

1284
01:08:16,440 --> 01:08:20,960
It has to be something that you're feeding into often for it to be vibrant and alive

1285
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:26,720
and full of so much expression, because if you're just cyclically like not contributing

1286
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:33,520
to it or not propping it up more often than most of us do when we only really seek out

1287
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:39,400
like art is we crave it at times when we're at our highest when we're at our lowest, all

1288
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:40,400
of these things.

1289
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,160
And it's just so incredibly important to the human experience to have artists like this

1290
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:50,800
that show you, you know, just like what Jackson Pollock it's like, you know, it's.

1291
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:56,520
It's just like the artist before him where you made that shift over like the start of

1292
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:01,400
postmodernism with like, you know, you're moving away from technicalities being such

1293
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:06,560
a driving force and like what is good art is that it's technically immaculate.

1294
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:12,360
And as opposed to like, no, what art can be is just trying to make the most accurate

1295
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,520
representation of emotion, whether or not he has anything to do with it.

1296
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:17,520
Yeah.

1297
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:18,520
It's timeless.

1298
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:19,520
Like if you think about it.

1299
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,120
I'm not even though I said ahead of the head of their time, it's also timeless and very

1300
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:25,640
simple simplicity.

1301
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:31,360
And it's just something that we, I mean, I'd like to say most people just understand naturally

1302
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,920
by looking at it is that like it feels familiar.

1303
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,720
Yeah, absolutely.

1304
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:45,560
I yeah, it's man, what a it's I forgot that Jackson Pollock also like died in a car crash,

1305
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:51,680
which I think really, yeah, also kind of an interesting thing because of, you know, I

1306
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:56,680
don't know, it's God like people having cars readily available to them.

1307
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:01,480
I feel like they're like 25 years into into that being a thing.

1308
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:06,680
And then yeah, yeah, he's also raging alcohol and apparently enormous asshole.

1309
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:14,000
But you know, but you know, artists are, you know, have it, I don't know.

1310
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:22,200
There's a there is a stereotype that exists about artists being tortured and not necessarily

1311
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,200
great hangs.

1312
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:34,000
But man, yeah, Jackson Pollock cool guy in his art, not cool guys and artists.

1313
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:40,160
Well, let's see what some people have to say about this piece of art.

1314
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:47,000
The Mona Lisa, should we start with some critic reviews?

1315
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,040
Are they reviewing the art or the movie?

1316
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,040
Yes.

1317
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,720
Right.

1318
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,080
What is our car comes to town?

1319
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,080
I'm considering it.

1320
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:01,640
Did you read your supplemental material before coming to this podcast?

1321
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,040
This is grotesque.

1322
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,160
Is it art?

1323
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:08,640
You may listen art.

1324
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,000
The grotesque side.

1325
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:19,920
And what did Robert's like, even though Andy Warhol is not in like making, I don't know,

1326
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:24,200
maybe he was making art at this time, but like he's not who he was until later past

1327
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:25,200
this movie.

1328
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:30,440
But man, the point she was making with the advertisements is so just all of it was a

1329
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:37,200
case for why Andy Warhol would be a thing, you know, is just because she I can't remember

1330
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,840
what the line is, but talking about like, you know, aliens or like people in the future,

1331
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:47,440
like looking at this period of time in art and identifying advertisements is like, or

1332
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:51,360
it would be synonymous like art and advertisements would be the same thing.

1333
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:56,640
And yeah, I can't remember exactly how the quote went, but it was just such a like pretty

1334
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,800
salient point as to, you know, what would end up being, you know, Andy Warhol's whole

1335
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,280
thing, you know, understanding that very well.

1336
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,400
Yeah, and Banksy too.

1337
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,160
Yeah, Banksy too.

1338
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:11,160
Absolutely.

1339
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,160
Did I mention that I'm Banksy?

1340
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,880
Anyways, we all knew that.

1341
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,320
We'll start with David Anson from Newsweek says it's P. U. Rotten because the critics

1342
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:27,960
gave it a 34% average poopy-doopie snoopy meter on the Rotten Tomatoes scale.

1343
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:33,080
David Anson says the cartoon notions of the 50s and snooty Easterners say more about

1344
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:38,800
Hollywood cluelessness than about the period the film condescends to lacking the courage

1345
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:39,960
of its own vulgarity.

1346
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:45,760
The Mona Lisa smile is as tepid as old bathwater.

1347
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:50,040
Oh, Neve Pierce from B. B. C. Dot coms.

1348
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:56,800
Jacob Elordi bathwater or what do we got settled down?

1349
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:04,880
Neve Pierce from P from BBC dot com says it's devoid of enjoyment, intelligence or interest.

1350
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,320
One star out of five.

1351
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:13,800
From Elizabeth Tamney, Chicago reader one one out of four.

1352
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,760
Roberts asks her students rhetorical questions.

1353
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,480
What makes art good or bad?

1354
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:19,480
Who decides?

1355
01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:27,280
But the movie answers them as canonically as the syllabus Roberts abandons.

1356
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,280
Hmm.

1357
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,400
Oh, yeah.

1358
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:36,080
Yeah, from Claudia Puyg two out of four from USA Today.

1359
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:41,040
Rather than being a fascinating exploration of a much more constrained time in our social

1360
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:45,080
history, the film simply feels anachronistic.

1361
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,280
Yeah.

1362
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:53,440
It is interesting to think about just from if you were to, you know, like how critics

1363
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:58,760
write about things, you know, a movie about art lacks a lot of artistry.

1364
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:04,400
And it's like the way that it's presented or shot, you know, that's just, I don't know,

1365
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:05,400
this.

1366
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:11,920
Yeah, for a movie that begs a lot of questions, what is art and makes challenges that conception

1367
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:19,640
and notion, yeah, there is like almost zero kind of that mentality applied to the.

1368
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:25,280
Yeah, the filmmaking of this is pretty crazy.

1369
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:30,440
And then we'll do one more from Tom Long, Detroit News, give it a C. Tom DeLong.

1370
01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:31,440
Tom DeLong.

1371
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:34,800
Hey, it's Tom DeLong here.

1372
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,120
Where are you?

1373
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:37,120
Where are you?

1374
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:42,400
He's like, I did not like it because there are no aliens.

1375
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,760
Would not watch.

1376
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:55,640
I give all movies that don't have aliens a C out of five.

1377
01:14:55,640 --> 01:15:02,000
Tom Long says an underachieving film about how much women can achieve.

1378
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:08,560
Acting actors of such potential seems more than a bit cynical even by Hollywood standards.

1379
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,160
Let's see what the audience has to say now.

1380
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:17,320
From a 60 percent tile, six zero percent from the audience.

1381
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:22,320
They liked it a bit more than the critics.

1382
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,480
Let's check out some scores.

1383
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:30,000
We'll start with Glenn Wilkinson.

1384
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,760
Five stars titled great movie.

1385
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:36,080
I love this movie and I teach art appreciation at our local college.

1386
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:41,040
I use this movie to teach students about stereotypes and through art, we can learn from our past

1387
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:42,040
in each other.

1388
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:46,640
It is much easier after they watch the movie Pollock and then see his work in this movie.

1389
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,440
It's a great film to start a dialogue.

1390
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:55,880
Highly recommend a plus to start a dialogue.

1391
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:59,600
From Abigail Brissette, five stars titled this movie is extremely brilliant.

1392
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:05,080
I feel so bad that I've only just seen it.

1393
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,160
I'm 21 working to pay for medical school.

1394
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,720
I've been feeling discouraged and felt like settling for something less or perhaps take

1395
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:12,720
the easy way.

1396
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,760
But this movie have moved me to tears and action.

1397
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,440
Women building up each other is truly the best.

1398
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:23,960
I will make sure to share this with my younger sisters if my future holds it.

1399
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:33,800
My very own daughters from Isabelle, great title, great film, five stars.

1400
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:39,880
I like how the girls also change the teacher and the small plot to a suffer being the one

1401
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:44,280
that is actually ignorant to two others feelings.

1402
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:45,440
Acting is amazing.

1403
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:50,520
Some of the best actresses are on this film has many strong female roles and may be able

1404
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:54,240
to teach young women to not conform into the roles that society could sometimes wants to

1405
01:16:54,240 --> 01:17:00,400
put them in would strongly recommend this great film.

1406
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,640
Maybe do one or two more here.

1407
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:09,400
Um, well, yeah, I'll do this one from William C. Lloyd, five stars titled a work of art.

1408
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:13,840
I'm amazed to have read reviews, including David Denby's in the New Yorker that completely

1409
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,120
missed the main point of the movie.

1410
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:20,680
The women's choice thing, 50s feminism is the plotline on which to hang a story, but

1411
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:26,400
the movie is about a teacher of art history who it's hard to miss teaches art history

1412
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,120
and thereby helps young people discover themselves and the world.

1413
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:34,680
It's about the necessity of art education and that necessity includes great music too.

1414
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:39,560
But for that specific notion, we have the equally wonderful Mr. Holland's opus.

1415
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,360
Oh, okay, William.

1416
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:49,640
All right, well, you can't just end the review with a different movie, William.

1417
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:53,960
Yeah, I don't know.

1418
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:59,280
There's a there's a lot I've noticed from here on these reviews that seem to be from

1419
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:00,280
teachers.

1420
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,840
There's another one here from Melissa Hardman as a female professor.

1421
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,040
I can relate to this film if you're a teacher student.

1422
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,040
This is my seat.

1423
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:12,200
This was set in the 50s, but it's surprisingly relevant to what I see in the classroom today.

1424
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:13,200
Wow.

1425
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:14,200
Oh, yeah.

1426
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:15,200
Yeah.

1427
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:27,600
The teachers seem to enjoy I would I would imagine to just to be able to tell a bunch

1428
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:36,680
of no at all punk ass students to think a little differently about their own stuck up lives.

1429
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:41,080
No, it's it's it's inspiring.

1430
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:47,800
I think from both sides from if you see yourself as someone who has to try to encourage someone

1431
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,200
to be themselves, how do you teach that?

1432
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:55,560
How do you tell someone to be independent and be themselves in that sort of way and and

1433
01:18:55,560 --> 01:19:02,360
to be independent and do what what they want to do and to shape their minds that way.

1434
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:07,320
And so from both sides, whether you're a young person watching this movie from a coming of

1435
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:14,440
age side or you're an older person watching it, trying to figure out that dynamic of things.

1436
01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:17,200
And there's a little bit of a love life.

1437
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,440
There's a little bit of everything.

1438
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:30,280
But yeah, it's a I think it's kind of a pretty fluffy, nice TV movie in terms of like the

1439
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,800
polarization and why people are kind of disagreeing on it.

1440
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:38,880
I think it's clear that the critics are craving for something a little deeper.

1441
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:44,280
And I can kind of I feel like field both sides and understand where the critics are coming

1442
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:45,280
from there.

1443
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:49,440
But it's not enough for me to completely hate it either.

1444
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:54,160
But it's not enough for me on the from the audience side either to like be raving about

1445
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:55,160
it.

1446
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:58,520
So I think it's a little preview into probably where I'll lie, but I'll leave it to you, Kara,

1447
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,520
if you want to start off our own review process here.

1448
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:10,080
Yeah, so I think, yeah, I, I also see both sides.

1449
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:17,880
And I think overall, I think it's just to feel good, heartwarming, you know, movie you

1450
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:22,960
can throw on when you just, you know, just it is kind of empowering and uplifting in

1451
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:24,040
a way too.

1452
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:31,840
And I think the movie itself, the main message is actually not about the art, but like about

1453
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:37,360
just considering all the really needs really wants to watch Mr. Holland's opus again.

1454
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,000
I think he's he's thinking about that one.

1455
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:50,040
He are, I mean, yeah, it's more about considering all perspectives of life and art and all that.

1456
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:51,880
So I think that's kind of the main message.

1457
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:56,600
And I, I like to live that way too.

1458
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,160
So I resonate with that.

1459
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:06,560
And yeah, I don't know if I would care to watch it again anytime soon, but yeah, it's

1460
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:12,000
like a, it could be kind of considered a cozy movie.

1461
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:17,680
So I'd give it a 68, which is a, like I was debating if I wanted to go somewhere between

1462
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,360
like 60 and 70.

1463
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:23,640
And I just felt like 63 was a little too low.

1464
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,680
65 was just like right in the middle.

1465
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,320
I would say a 68 because it wasn't horrible.

1466
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,640
Like I liked the message of it.

1467
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:32,640
Yeah.

1468
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:33,640
For sure.

1469
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:34,640
Yeah.

1470
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,760
No, all things considered that's a good score.

1471
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:37,760
Yeah.

1472
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:38,760
And I love Julia Roberts.

1473
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:40,360
Like she, I mean, I'm a 90s baby.

1474
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:45,280
So I grew up watching all her movies and she's just like a warm blanket to me every time

1475
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:46,440
I see her on screen.

1476
01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:52,800
Like there's just so something so comforting about her that like, yeah, maybe this wasn't

1477
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:57,840
her best performance, but like it was still so comforting to see her on screen.

1478
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,400
Like I just, I felt like she was like giving me a big hug.

1479
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:02,400
Oh, totally.

1480
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:07,200
She's, yeah, oh my God, she's such a like approachable.

1481
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,200
She's just such a like grounded.

1482
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:10,200
Yeah.

1483
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:11,200
Yeah.

1484
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:18,000
Like she is like a movie star that like I think of like of my time, like of like growing

1485
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,000
up.

1486
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:25,080
I was one of the big movie stars, but I just, you know, like Tom Hanks and all those people,

1487
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:29,000
like they're just remind me of cozy times.

1488
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:30,000
Totally.

1489
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,000
Yeah.

1490
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,000
I get.

1491
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:33,000
Yeah, man.

1492
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:37,000
Um, James, me, you either way.

1493
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,000
Us together.

1494
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,000
Together.

1495
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,000
Against an Opal.

1496
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,000
Um, Istanbul.

1497
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,000
Constantinople.

1498
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,000
Constantinople.

1499
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:52,000
And then bam bam Mona Lisa Mona Lisa.

1500
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:58,000
You got to love a movie song title thing.

1501
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:05,280
Um, yeah, I ended up enjoying this movie a lot more than I weirdly thought I was going

1502
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:09,000
to, I don't know, for some reason, since most people haven't really talked about it, I thought

1503
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,000
this was going to be really long and boring and bad.

1504
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:16,000
Um, because yeah, there's, you know, the cover alone has like.

1505
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:21,000
The, you know, has that all of, not all of them, but most of them on that.

1506
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:22,000
And so yeah, I don't know.

1507
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,000
There's, I was a little concerned about that.

1508
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:28,000
But then after watching it, I was pleasantly surprised in a lot of ways by this movie.

1509
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:36,000
I thought there was a lot here that I was like, Oh, that's what this is about.

1510
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,000
And I'm here for it.

1511
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:38,000
Um, yeah.

1512
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:43,000
I mean, I think a lot of my criticisms and why I wouldn't rate this higher or maybe watch

1513
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:51,000
it as watch it, you know, like too often is I would say mainly is the directing of it.

1514
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,000
The way this movie like looks and how it moves through stuff.

1515
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,000
I, yeah, I don't know.

1516
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:02,000
It's kind of crazy to me because I always say that, uh, Goblet of fire is my favorite

1517
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,000
Harry Potter movie.

1518
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:06,000
And I love the way that that's structured and what's going on in that movie.

1519
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,000
And it's the same director.

1520
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:08,000
That's what I thought.

1521
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,000
Okay.

1522
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:10,000
Yeah.

1523
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:11,000
Reviews with him.

1524
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,000
Harry Potter's.

1525
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,000
Um, and this movie, yeah, it's.

1526
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:21,000
You know, like, uh, some, like the critics were kind of giving it, uh, you know, shit

1527
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:27,000
for, I agree with them that for a movie about art, this is not very artistic.

1528
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:33,000
And it's like, and how it is made or presents itself or visually, whatever.

1529
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,000
Um, so yeah, I don't know.

1530
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:39,000
Um, you've said by and large, most of the stuff that, you know, we had issues with

1531
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,000
or I had issues with whatever.

1532
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:46,000
So yeah, I'm like at a 65% is I think where I would put myself on this.

1533
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,000
Stop it.

1534
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,000
Yeah.

1535
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,000
Yeah.

1536
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,000
I'm going to be right there with you guys.

1537
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:59,000
There's a structure to this movie that I think in a way, Kara is cozy and, and you,

1538
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:05,000
and you do kind of know the broad strokes of where it's, where it's going, where I

1539
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:10,000
was surprised where we're seeing like the scene with Kirsten Dunson, Maggie

1540
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:19,000
Jillon Hall, uh, where that made me like, yeah, relieved in one sense, but like that.

1541
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:23,000
I was in a place with a movie that was able to be a little bit more delicate with

1542
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:27,000
some of those things and wouldn't just resort straight to yelling and screaming

1543
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:31,000
when the drama was going to get intense near the end of the movie.

1544
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:35,000
I was a little concerned that it was headed there and ended up being a softer

1545
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:41,000
landing and I appreciated that from emotion, from an emotional standpoint.

1546
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:45,000
Um, it didn't force Julie Roberts to end up with anybody.

1547
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,000
It gave power to, to Julia Styles.

1548
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:52,000
Um, Julie Styles is that her, is that her name?

1549
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:53,000
Julia Styles.

1550
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,000
Yeah.

1551
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,000
And, uh, yeah, there's, you know, I thought it was not super interesting to look at.

1552
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,000
Unfortunately, this movie, there was some lighting that I thought was,

1553
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:09,000
that was nice in certain places beyond that it was serviceable at best.

1554
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,000
Um, yeah.

1555
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,000
I forgot to mention that I love, I loved watching the costumes.

1556
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,000
Costumes are great.

1557
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:16,000
Yeah.

1558
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,000
That's, I think that's like what made me enjoy it a little bit more was just

1559
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,000
like watching all the costumes.

1560
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,000
Definitely agree.

1561
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,000
Agree with that.

1562
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:27,000
Especially like, yeah, like kind of winter.

1563
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,000
Kind of warm or sorry, like, yeah, the warm clothes,

1564
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:34,000
whatever you want to just go cold weather and having a, like, I don't know,

1565
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:38,000
even some of the college attire and stuff like that of,

1566
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:43,000
of that time period of them wearing all their funny little hats to

1567
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,000
graduation and stuff like that.

1568
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:51,000
And, uh, how loose they were kind of like when they would kind of be

1569
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,000
hanging at home and how, especially Maggie, a character like Maggie

1570
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:59,000
Jolenhall would just kind of like, you know, roll up the sleeves or

1571
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:03,000
whatever and that, and that kind of thing when she was wearing pants.

1572
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:07,000
More so than the other girls.

1573
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:12,000
All that fulfills the characters in, in, uh, interesting way.

1574
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:16,000
And yeah, there's just, there's some dead ends with some of the subplots

1575
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:22,000
that don't end up really paying off and doing a lot for me, but overall

1576
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:27,000
great cast and some good performances that carry you through

1577
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:33,000
a coming of age story where teachers bring heralding these,

1578
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:38,000
these group, this group of young girls into their future in,

1579
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:42,000
in the time period and a period piece as well, which I tend to have a

1580
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:47,000
fun time with period pieces if they're done in a way that I never really

1581
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:51,000
question like, ooh, this is like I said, or this is, this doesn't feel real.

1582
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:55,000
It's like, no, this is really, they filmed a lot at the school and they,

1583
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,000
uh, yeah, and they, the costumes were, were good in that way.

1584
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,000
And I'm going to join you guys in the 60 range.

1585
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:05,000
I'll do a 62, um, right there with you guys.

1586
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:09,000
And I think it very much works as like a TV movie.

1587
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,000
I would see why it would be on TBS or TNT or something.

1588
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:17,000
And if I were at a hotel or something and it was, and it was,

1589
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,000
you know, I might flip it, flip through it and,

1590
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,000
and stay on that for a bit and flip on and come back.

1591
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,000
I don't know. We'll see. But, uh, for now,

1592
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:29,000
that's where I'm going to leave it. And I'm happy we have to say that I watched it.

1593
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,000
I don't know. Yeah, me too. Yeah. All in all,

1594
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:36,000
we're not knowing anything about it. And I think if you do know something about it,

1595
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,000
you know, it's going to be that teacher kind of movie,

1596
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:43,000
like a dead poet society or, or Emperor's Club or whatever.

1597
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:48,000
Uh, then you'll kind of know generally if you're going to be into it or not.

1598
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:53,000
Uh, thank you Cara so much for, for joining us. I was going to say, yeah,

1599
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,000
there was this other thing. There was some drama with even the school too.

1600
01:28:56,000 --> 01:29:00,000
I was just going to mention some of that so much. So like the Wellesley school,

1601
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,000
once the movie came out, there was like some,

1602
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:08,000
some people that were upset, like the alumni were upset with how like the teachers

1603
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:12,000
and the people who were a part of the school in the movie were portrayed.

1604
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:16,000
Uh, and they were, and they were pissed off about it.

1605
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:21,000
And it made such a, they made such a stink about it that the,

1606
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,000
who was it? The president? Yeah.

1607
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:29,000
President wrote a letter in January 9th of 2004.

1608
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,000
Maybe I'll read you just a little bit of it here,

1609
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:39,000
just in, in her response to, uh, everyone's feelings about the movie after it came out.

1610
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:44,000
We've been hearing from many alumni who have been feeling pressure to defend the college

1611
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:48,000
and the quality of their own education against the distorted and demeaning portrayal

1612
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,000
of our alma mater in the film, Mona Lisa Smile,

1613
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,000
released over the holidays and movie theaters across the country.

1614
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:58,000
Several alumni have asked for help from the administration in their efforts to set the record straight.

1615
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:03,000
The loyal support of alumni as vocal ambassadors for the college is an indispensable ingredient

1616
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,000
of Wellesley's continued success.

1617
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:09,000
With that in mind, I want to update you on steps we at the college have been taking to cushion

1618
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:14,000
the impact of the film and offer a few general observations about the situation from where I sit.

1619
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:19,000
First, it's important to keep in perspective the fact that the film is a Hollywood fantasy,

1620
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:23,000
set in an imaginary 1953 to 1954 academic year.

1621
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:30,000
The authors, two men, conducted research in our archive and set the screenplay at a fictional Wellesley College.

1622
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:36,000
Our name is in the public domain and we cannot have prevented its use and we tried, which we didn't.

1623
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:41,000
Wellesley has become the iconic women's college for good and ill and was selected for that reason

1624
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,000
as the setting for this work of fiction.

1625
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:49,000
Second, we had no control over the film, no influence whatsoever on any editorial or artistic decisions.

1626
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:55,000
The movie to a far greater extent than the screenplay we originally read characterizes the college as rigid

1627
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:59,000
and hide-bound and the students as rich and spoiled.

1628
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:04,000
This creates a foil against which the Julie Roberts character and art history teacher from California

1629
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:10,000
can attack the conservative Morris she finds at this elite and stodgy college in icy New England.

1630
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:16,000
Wellesley provides the backdrop against which she challenges the administration and inspires her students

1631
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:22,000
to look beyond the image of what is and consider the possibilities of what could be and so we are told.

1632
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:28,000
Opinion has been ranging wildly and at the college and beyond about how effectively the movie conveys its message,

1633
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:34,000
how accurately it captures the guise of the 50s and how resonant its message is today.

1634
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:38,000
Many professional critics have faulted the film for lack of subtlety.

1635
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:42,000
Many of us have identified liberties taken with the Wellesley College we know,

1636
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,000
yet the film does attempt to raise genuine questions about women's life choices,

1637
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:53,000
whether one must choose between career and family and how to find one's own path when it may conflict with society's expectations

1638
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,000
or those of parents, professors, friends.

1639
01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:00,000
We allowed Revolution Studios to film on our campus for a total of about 10 days.

1640
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:04,000
They shot other parts of the film on other campuses and in other locales.

1641
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:08,000
Most of the interior scenes are at Columbia and Yale, the town is Terry Town, New York.

1642
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:14,000
We decided to permit some filming at the college because, one, the producers had already decided to set the movie at Wellesley College

1643
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:18,000
and the choice we faced was whether to allow them to shoot footage on our campus

1644
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,000
instead of other campuses that they would then have called Wellesley.

1645
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:25,000
Since the beauty of our campus is a matter of special pride, the answer seemed obvious

1646
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,000
and the shots of the campus are indeed spectacular.

1647
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:34,000
The early version of the script, which several of us read and discussed before granting permission for the filming,

1648
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:41,000
emphasized the intelligence of Wellesley students and their close mentoring relationships with dedicated faculty.

1649
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,000
Two of the college's paramount strengths.

1650
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:46,000
I'm going a little long here, but they're...

1651
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:51,000
They're really well put together, like, I don't know, kind of statement, you know, it's really...

1652
01:32:51,000 --> 01:33:01,000
Yeah, and then they bring up the Time Magazine review and this is where it starts to get into...

1653
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:05,000
Like, overall, I'll read this last part.

1654
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:12,000
All of this is good. All of this is to the good and bolsters my confidence that the movie is unlikely to do us any lasting damage,

1655
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,000
whatever we may think of it.

1656
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:18,000
I do very much regret, however, the distress it has caused many alumni,

1657
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:24,000
especially alumni who are students in the 50s, and I'm grateful for the many op-ed articles, interviews, and letters

1658
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:30,000
so the editor through which Wellesley alumni all across the country have been speaking out to correct the historical record

1659
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,000
and standing up for the college.

1660
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:39,000
And at one point she even mentions there has been an uptick in applications to the college and people wanting to come.

1661
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:46,000
So she's like, whether it's actually doing harm is tough to say because we're actually becoming more popular.

1662
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:53,000
But I'm sorry if it's inaccurate and if it's hurt anybody's feelings to be portrayed that way.

1663
01:33:53,000 --> 01:34:02,000
Sorry if I went a little bit long there, but I thought that was an interesting side of polarization that applies to this podcast

1664
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:09,000
because people that had the movie made and a part about them were not happy with how it turned out.

1665
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:18,000
Some maybe were and so much so that they had to go through this whole statement and very legal sort of way of expressing everything.

1666
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:24,000
But it is funny how there's like very passive aggressive digs at things like whether the movie was subtle enough.

1667
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:30,000
And then the parentheses was like this movie was also parentheses written by two men.

1668
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,000
Two men?

1669
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:44,000
So I was trying to like dig at the movie and every chance it seemed like it could but then also recognize that it's giving them attention and they're appreciating it.

1670
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,000
It's giving attention.

1671
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:47,000
I just, yeah.

1672
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:49,000
Kara again for joining us.

1673
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:53,000
That was just another little side of things, side tangent.

1674
01:34:53,000 --> 01:35:08,000
We appreciate you adding a side of this that was desperately needed, which was from a woman and it would have felt weird to to have just two dudes just talking and going at least a smile.

1675
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:13,000
And this is a movie that we had nothing to do about going in.

1676
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:25,000
And thank you for coming in and helping us just add that perspective, which was sorely needed a lot on this podcast to be honest, but not for this next movie.

1677
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:32,000
We're going to have a different sort of feel for this one.

1678
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,000
Arguably the opposite.

1679
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:42,000
Arguably the complete opposite movie we will be doing next week, which will be die hard with the vengeance.

1680
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:49,000
1995 die hard with the vengeance rated a 59% by critics, 83% by audience.

1681
01:35:49,000 --> 01:36:01,000
In this die hard sequel, Detective John McClain is now divorced, alcoholic and jobless after getting fired for this reckless behavior and bad attitude.

1682
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:13,000
The movie is called back into action. However, when a cryptic terrorist Jeremy Irons takes New York City hostage in a lethal game of Simon says and refuses to speak with anyone but McClain.

1683
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:32,000
Seeming up with street savvy electrician named Zeus Carver, Samuel Jackson McClain dashes through the city, trying to say one step ahead of a murderous plot.

1684
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You're more than welcome to.

1685
01:36:44,000 --> 01:37:02,000
I think we're all.

1686
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:17,000
Hello Mona Lisa. Thank you so much for joining us everyone out there. Reach us twitch.tv slash polarized pod we're streaming live or send us a line at gmail.com slash polarized the pod.

1687
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:21,000
The Gmail is polarized the pod at gmail.com.

1688
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:29,000
We love you all. We appreciate your service to polarizing movie discussions and we will see you next time.

1689
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:40,000
Bye bye.

1690
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:46,000
Oh God. Okay, I'm gonna get that.

1691
01:37:46,000 --> 01:38:01,000
Oh, my God.