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How's it going people out there?

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Welcome to the polarize podcast, baby.

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Glad to have you here.

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I hope all of you ladies and gentlemen are doing well out there.

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This is our new year's Eve celebration.

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A jubilation.

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Drink salation.

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Am I right?

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Let's get it going, baby.

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I am your host Brandon Stables.

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As aforementioned, this is polarized by anybody who's just tuning in.

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This is a podcast about polarizing movies, polarizing in a sense of rotten tomato scores.

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Sometimes critics love it.

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Not audiences hated advice versa.

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Those the movies we talk about on this podcast.

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Today we're talking about oceans 11, the 1960s version with our good pals.

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Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Jr.

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Baby.

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This movie's got a rating on rotten tomato.

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48% critic, 81% audience.

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All you cool get out there in the audience.

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Love this film and we love you for it.

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Welcome in.

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Strap in.

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Grab yourself a gold beverage.

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It's not just going to be me talking tonight.

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It's also going to be me.

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My forever guest is sometimes we mentioned him as or the co-host with the most is let

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me introduce everybody.

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Put your hands together for James Lindsay.

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Hey, what's going on, baby?

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How are we doing today?

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Doing good, brother.

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How about you?

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I am feeling excellent this holiday season.

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So good that I might run a little heist if you know what I mean.

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Hey, I love it, baby.

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You know what?

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I'm here for you.

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This season brings a lot of joy for a lot of people that brings a lot of happiness.

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sharing with the families that I'll never have.

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So I think you and I should run a heist on Christmas and steal Christmas away from the

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people of Whoville.

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Everybody, James has just turned into the Grinch.

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Whoa.

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Crazy.

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What's up, baby?

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Hey, hey, we got a Christmas.

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I'm going to steal your tree and take out Santa Claus.

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It's like a cool Grinch.

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It's like a great cigarette and pencil.

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Pencil, thin mustache, you know, one of those.

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Here is a cat.

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Yeah, it's crazy that you've turned into the Grinch, but you know what?

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I'm in for it and I love it.

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I'm in for the heist.

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Let's let's do it.

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Let's heist this movie.

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It's heist this podcast.

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Let's set it up and knock it down.

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I'm going to.

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The podcast was the next thing on my list.

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Another Christmas as well.

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It's Frank Frank's Nacho and another it's Danny.

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You're gone through death.

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The era of death is by and it is gone.

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This is a this is the flamingo.

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This isn't your average Cosmopolitan or Aria.

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This is the golden nugget, baby.

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There's got to be like 11 guys, him included.

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It's a brandini's three.

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We got a very special fucking guest.

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A guest that we've had on the pod before for this very time of

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the year, we wanted to bring him back because I think it's do we

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It's a fun thing to do in life, you know, and we have the

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I'm ready for you guys.

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So fly me to the moon.

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This podcast tonight sounds beautiful to me.

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Almost like strangers in the night we've shown up and decided

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I went to those a stretch, but we're having fun here.

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It's a moray.

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And we're already dropping dropping music knowledge.

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him and Brandon one time took a ride with me and we had a good

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incredibly charismatic and their whole stick of just ribbon

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Living life.

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about this movie again, just so crazy to hear about these guys

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performing, going back, performing and then going back

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drinking, gambling and going back performing again, maybe two

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shows in a day and not having much time to be awake or let alone

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shoot a movie or sorry, sleep or let alone shoot a movie.

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Which was an also just not sober.

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A lot of that.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, the cool the interest are noticeable moments.

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I mean, in this movie, I would argue kind of interesting thing

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about like Dino was I guess he never like the thing in that

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documentary was said that he never really did drink and that

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was always just a stick.

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He would play into it.

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Yeah.

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And that was like his main thing was that he was the drunk and

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and I mean funny, obviously too, but he always had apple juice

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in his glass.

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I thought that was good.

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And on the set of this very weak, weak cocktail be like me.

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Water and like a thin amount of booze.

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And on this movie, I guess he was responsible a lot of times for

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like knowing lines of even other other people like that didn't

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know theirs and he would kind of be on top of it in that way while

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Frank and who was it?

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Lawrence, Peter Loford, Loford.

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Yeah, Peter Loford.

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Peter Loford and they were kind of just like, well, I've worked.

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I know we're already like getting into it, but like they called

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them, you know, I don't know if they called him, but he was

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essentially one take Frank like he would only shoot one take

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and refuse to shoot anymore.

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And then we get very cranky and upset if they asked him to do

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it anymore.

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Apparently, it really does seem like it was just a group of friends

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that it's like, hey, we're all here.

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Like, why don't we film a movie at the same time?

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Absolutely.

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It's exactly what it is.

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And it's funny how like Soderbergh takes that energy of later

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and utilizes it in such a fun, loose sort of way that actually

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works.

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And that's, yeah, I think that's going to be a hard thing for

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me not to do is compare the two, but at least they're in that

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They are the same thing.

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But even just like for the hell of it right after I watched this

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movie, I threw on the other one just for like a little bit just to

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see the opening in the beginning and kind of yet to see how well

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that one opens because if we're jumping into it, I don't know if

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there's anything else to it.

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Like it's the first like 45 minutes of this movie like occurs

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in the first like 10 minutes of the other one.

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And like the 45 minutes is like almost just like it's just so

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bloated with this setup that is unnecessary.

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Whereas in and maybe this is unfair me comparing the two too

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much, but it's a heist movie and the other ones, you know, just

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done at a at another level and definitely more modern for sure.

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But they are like George Clooney and Brad Pitt are sitting 10

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minutes in and looking at blueprints for the vault of the

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Bellagio and it's like 45 minutes and that's when they have the

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meeting where everyone's together, which is obviously a little

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bit later notions of the Soderbergh one, but my main point is

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just this this setup part in the beginning here where we're at

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was those was the roughest part for me out of everything that

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first 45 minutes.

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That's absolutely.

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Yeah, I completely agree with you and I may note of that as

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well as like, you know, there's just so much of this like running

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around to collect people.

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Yeah, it also made it really apparent to what you're talking

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about in relation to the Soderbergh one where and also to what

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Christian had just said about, you know, this just very much

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seems like we're all here in Vegas.

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Let's, you know, make a movie together.

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That would be fun.

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But the problem to that is that they're barely in scenes together.

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Exactly.

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Yes.

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So, you know, you never really get a whole lot of that energy

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that was on stage that everybody was so obsessed with because

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man, I think that had taken away from just seeing some of the

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performances of the wrap pack is just this whole like improv

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like element and just so every show, you know, people must walk

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away and go like the, you know, one show is so much different

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than the other show and that being providing value.

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Mind you, apparently it was only what five or six bucks to go

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see them and dinner is included.

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Nice.

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Like standing or something once they got popular.

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Could you, oh my God, what a what a time to be alive.

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But yeah, there's so much running around and set up and it's

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drags like a like a mother fucker, you know, and that and I wonder

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how much it was either restructured or like just they knew

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from the beginning that they weren't going to be able to get

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all these people in the same room to do these scenes together

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because there is so much of the auxiliary characters or, you

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know, the supporting cast kind of doing a lot of stuff and going

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back and forth, which doesn't really pay off in any other way

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than getting everyone in the same room together, which backwards

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would be just getting Dino and Frank in the same room together

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as early as possible and having them hatch the plan and then

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Sammy and Peter Lawford, the four, the main four, getting them

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together quickly.

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That would be kind of down.

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Going one to one.

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It'll maybe a little bit too much with the Soderbergh one where

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it's Brad Pitt and George Kleiner.

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Really the two two main characters in the venture like Jason

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Bourne's kind of kind of there, which is kind of the I guess the

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lawford character.

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But yeah, I just like getting getting them together and having

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those moments and having lots of them because I think it is like

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that meeting around that meeting time is when you get Frank and

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Dino and like in the same room riffing off each other, which is

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pretty electric.

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And then you get Sam yeah and Sammy right right there and Dino

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together are really fun when they're behind the pool table and

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everything like that's that's where that movie starts to pick up is

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that that at that part.

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And it just.

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Actually, you go first question.

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Well, I was going to say because Sammy Davis Jr. is a huge part

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of the rap pack, but I felt like his position was so minuscule

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that they added this like seeing scene just to give him like a

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bigger part when his part really wasn't that big.

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Absolutely. I mean, it's pivotal to the heist itself.

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But man, I just, you know, I think he really was the standout for

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me because I just there was so much of a lethargy on everybody's

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performance.

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But I think Sammy for me was a standout that he really was like

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seems so excited to be there.

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And yeah, that that energy really helped from an overall movie

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that dragged from the get go.

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And it's just, I think it really to me, it's just I'm such a harsh

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critic on this movie now having seen it in the setup and what

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this movie could have been because there's no real excuse for

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them, especially given the fact that these guys were all

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together almost all the fucking time.

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Like, why doesn't the movie just start with them being together?

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Like, I, if I were to have a song together at some point, more

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singing, and Sammy brings the singing when they first

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introduced his character, which is just sorely missing.

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It's like, oh yeah, these guys can fucking belt tape.

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More of that and you get some Dino, but yeah, we need more.

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Like this, structured in the plot and script wise, so much

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fucking better where why isn't it that Frank's coming in and

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just, you know, wrestling these guys up as, you know, Frank

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going to Peter, Peter, then those two, you know, bringing in

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Sammy and Dino, and then you're immediately the they're all

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in a room together and you know, they're chopping it up and

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having fun together.

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Yeah, you're right.

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You're absolutely right.

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There's no, it's just, it's, there's no reason for what we

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got here.

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They just couldn't get everyone in the same room.

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Like they just couldn't do it.

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Get everyone in the same room at the same time for that, for

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that long or for even multiple takes.

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Sure.

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I don't know.

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There's the, but there's, there's a real possibility if

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structured and directed well that they could have spent less

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time than they did on this fucking movie.

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Like arguably, I would say is like you, instead, what you did

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is you, you took them away from their, from their busy

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schedules to shoot all of these desperate scenes to put them

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together to get to, you know, get to more of the meat and

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potatoes of the movie when you should just like, how would

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you make this so like laser focused?

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Like, okay.

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Yeah, I only have these guys.

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Let's just structure where we're getting them together as

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quickly as possible.

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You know, they're already together, then let's structure it.

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So we're shooting with all of them together and it can be

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kind of improvisational.

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It could be one take or whatever, but yeah, at least there's

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more of them and it's a little bit more quality than quantity

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rather than adding a bunch at the front and a bunch at the

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back.

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The whole first act, there's a lot in the back.

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The first act of oceans 12 is at the end of this movie, which

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is, is, is a lot.

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And I'm sorry.

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Yeah, again, Soderbergh, but it's like, there's, and that's

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just such like the sixties thing of like the villains can't

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win.

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But as far as like the first part, first portion of this

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movie, I'm trying to think if there's anything super notable

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from these other characters kind of coming together.

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I like Frank's phone voice and I'm not sure if it's actually

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him doing a fake one or if it's like someone just probably

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dubbing over.

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It seems because there's a lot of ADR in this movie.

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There's a lot of times now with the like remastering of this

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movie, which looks pretty good.

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All things considered, but just like with a lot of movies that

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have been remastered from the sixties and fifties, it just

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suffers a lot where you can see a lot of heavy makeup and

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just the background are just really deep looking sets and

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stuff.

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But yeah, I mean, I like the color palette kind of this, this

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era is pretty nice and yeah, simple and definitely looks

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like, you know, sets some of it.

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But once we get into Vegas, you know, we're not there yet

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necessarily, but all of that stuff, I love just seeing old

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old school Vegas is one of the highlights of the movie for

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sure.

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But I'm just looking at my notes here and yeah, we got a

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Saul Bass opening, you know, from Alfred Hitchcock and,

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you know, kind of inspiring a lot of all the James Bond

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openings and everything.

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Yeah.

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The accounting down accounting of the numbers and putting

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in the those dots like it's like a marquee lights.

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Yeah.

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That's like really kind of that's setting a huge trend and

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pretty revolutionary that guy for the for the air.

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Yeah, like Psycho and a lot of those are so good and

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really gets you into the movie when there is still a time

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of overtures and everything, but putting that turn in that

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overture on its head a little bit and getting a little artsy

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with the graphic design is very cool.

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Very movie theater like like they they they picture their

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audience in the movie theater.

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Yeah.

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100% like it made me think of this concept of.

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The like a benefit to having an opening like that is that

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people are funneling into the theater still and it gives them

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starting.

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You hear the movie starting and people are walking in and

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nothing none of the movie has actually happened yet.

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So it's like kind of a kind of a plus where yeah, you could

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just imagine it's not starting off with a cold opening with

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something that you could you know, adds to the plot or

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or something that you would not want to miss.

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Instead, it's kind of this.

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It's a song.

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It's slow build up.

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Yeah, naming characters.

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Once it does started is pretty cold opening in terms of just

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ooh, this is going slow and icy.

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Was that typical?

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Was that typical back then?

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Like a lot of four play.

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100% because I mean, it's just really like, yeah, kind of

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introducing all the characters and that sort of way of like,

511
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000
yeah, and like a stage play to where they enter stage left and

512
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000
you get kind of a little read on them and then they go and

513
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000
then we get the next person.

514
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,000
But yeah, I'd still contend what Brandon just said of

515
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,000
condensing everything and limiting those and constricting

516
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,000
those scenes to make them more valuable is definitely the way

517
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,000
way to go because none of this is super, super memorable to me.

518
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000
You're wearing a pretty sweet fuzzy or sweater at the beginning.

519
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,000
I like that.

520
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000
I think the argument would make for the beginning of it.

521
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,000
The purpose of it is that it sets up two things that the movie

522
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,000
would like you to be more.

523
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,000
Into, but I'm just not terribly into them because of ultimately

524
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,000
how the movie ends up treating those situations or characters,

525
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
which is.

526
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,000
It sets up the idea that the engineer, I'm sorry, I'm forgetting

527
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
his name.

528
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,000
Tony Berghoff, right?

529
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,000
Richard Conti, hell of a chin on that guy.

530
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,000
Holy hell.

531
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000
You know, him visiting his son, getting out of jail,

532
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,000
setting up this whole idea of the Godfather.

533
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,000
Yeah, okay.

534
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000
From the Godfather, Brandzini.

535
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,000
Bergdorf, Anthony Bergdorf.

536
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000
Anthony, Tony Bergdorf.

537
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:26,000
You know, that being a lot, you know, kind of a thread through

538
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,000
the movie of him getting a diagnosis, getting out of jail.

539
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,000
He has a son taking care of his wife also sets up to this idea

540
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000
of how it's good.

541
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,000
Peter Loford's character.

542
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:45,000
Peter Loford, Jimmy Foster, setting up the relationship he has

543
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,000
with his mother and then his soon to be stepfather who ends up

544
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000
playing a rather large role in the back half of this movie.

545
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,000
Yeah, I'm not too sure about, but it's okay.

546
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,000
But they spent a lot of time with that mom.

547
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,000
Like I really, I felt like that was a 10 minute scene where you

548
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000
kind of understand who this woman is.

549
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000
I remember one of the lines was like, oh, I've never missed one

550
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,000
of your weddings.

551
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,000
You understand at the end where it's like the, yeah, the new,

552
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,000
I'm going to marry your mama comes in and it's like, oh, by the way,

553
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000
I also catch thieves.

554
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,000
And I'm, you can especially hire me as a mercenary to fucking hunt

555
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000
these guys down.

556
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,000
And I was like, well, isn't that convenient?

557
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,000
And he was in the beginning of the movie, but he doesn't talk.

558
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000
Yeah, he kind of, you see him in the background.

559
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000
He like introduces himself or not introduced.

560
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,000
He's like says hi to essentially what is the Matt Damon.

561
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000
That's, that's the Matt Damon character.

562
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,000
Yeah, Jimmy Foster.

563
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,000
Yeah, Jimmy Foster.

564
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,000
But I feel like, I hope this is interesting, but in this, in

565
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000
this one, I feel like it's more vague and almost like Matt Damon's

566
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,000
parents are like thieves and robbers or whatever as well.

567
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:59,000
And I think in 12, they do come in at the end and kind of lift them

568
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,000
out of a jam that they're going through because, because they are

569
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,000
more well equipped to do it.

570
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,000
But this one, they're like, she's like in it.

571
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,000
And there's this whole, that whole undercurrent of that character.

572
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,000
I liked a lot more of the Richard Conte's arc.

573
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,000
That was, that was great.

574
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:21,000
But this guy about like being born wealthy and rubbing that in

575
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000
people's faces and then being called out of like, so what's

576
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,000
your reasoning for doing this?

577
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,000
Like you clearly don't need the money and it's pretty easy to get

578
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,000
for you. And you have a, you know, Frank, I think it was Frank

579
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,000
or maybe it was Dino is like, you know, you know, yeah, Dino is

580
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,000
like, you know, and Sam, he's like, you obviously you have Jen,

581
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000
like she's very generous.

582
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Like what's like, why do you need to do this?

583
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000
And he's like, essentially tells them that he doesn't have enough

584
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,000
freedom from like to be able to, he doesn't want to keep having

585
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,000
to hit her watching over his back or whatever.

586
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,000
He's just so petulant and like annoyed with it and looks down

587
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000
on everybody as like being lesser than him and everything.

588
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,000
And that whole thing was just kind of like, I could have done

589
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,000
without. And then yeah, a lot of the stuff with his mom and

590
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000
the guys, who are you?

591
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,000
I'm going to marry your mama.

592
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,000
And this just like, and then just ribs him about drinking

593
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,000
alcohol and then gets a shot and then he gets sick immediately.

594
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,000
And it's just, and all of this, mind you, is all good and fine

595
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,000
character stuff, but good Lord, it tastes forever on everything.

596
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,000
Yeah, it's just like, I mean, we're not doing this film justice

597
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,000
by running through this stuff as quickly as we are because like

598
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:45,000
it is, we can get into the 15 minutes of this lead up, going

599
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,000
to see his mother, then you go to see his mother and then it's

600
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
just like hanging out.

601
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,000
Oh my God, it's just like 10 minutes on the relationship on

602
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,000
the ocean.

603
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:02,000
And she really is just super upset and is but the way that

604
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,000
people talk as well is, I don't know, she's like, I can't live

605
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000
my life.

606
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,000
I'm like, wow, what was it?

607
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,000
There was this line that was just, I was cracking up at like, I

608
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,000
can't live my life expecting like, based on whatever color of

609
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000
a car there is or how long each horse's nose is and stuff like

610
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,000
that.

611
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,000
Yeah, exactly.

612
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
And then he would say something really quick back and it would

613
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000
just be like, yeah, stage play like, okay, you say your line.

614
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,000
Okay, now I say my line.

615
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,000
And you just can't keep up because they keep on doing these

616
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,000
weird metaphors and turns of phrases that are kind of like

617
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,000
outdated for us.

618
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,000
I did a lot better with subtitles in this movie because there was

619
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,000
stuff like that.

620
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000
That was, that was rough, but there's, there's, there's

621
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000
undercurrents going on.

622
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Me too, man.

623
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,000
Cause that's what, that's a note I wrote is just straight up the

624
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000
dialogue is so rigid.

625
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,000
Everybody feels like I say my lines, then you say your lines and

626
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,000
it just was driving me nuts where all of it was just so

627
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:02,000
incredibly stilted and like also lethargic and it was first

628
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000
takes for everything.

629
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:10,000
So James, James, that line reminded me of the other oceans

630
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,000
11 line that was like, you're a liar and you're a thief.

631
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,000
I only lied about being a thief.

632
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Like, you know what I mean?

633
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,000
Like that line is like huge description of Danny ocean as a

634
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,000
character.

635
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,000
And that's one thing that they kept in both movies from, from

636
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,000
my understanding where you're like, like this guy is like a

637
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,000
hardcore gambler and he gambles with everything in life.

638
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,000
You know, and yeah, that was the, the parallel was that, that

639
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000
face down between the two of them.

640
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,000
And yeah, that's like at dinner and then Andy Garcia shows up,

641
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:48,000
which yeah, Andy Garcia kind of is morphed into multiple from

642
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,000
multiple characters, but the vitro like kind of hate from the

643
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,000
from Angie Dickinson is, yeah, is, is real.

644
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,000
And she's, she's so like, like, like dolls eyes, like, like a

645
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,000
doll's eyes, like shark's eyes, like she's just so like dead set

646
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,000
on just hating, hating him.

647
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,000
She's over his bullshit and everything.

648
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:17,000
She has that transatlantic accent from back in the day that

649
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
they have to pronounce everything.

650
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Yeah, I did a lot of research on that.

651
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,000
Yeah.

652
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,000
They like had to pronounce everything because of like the

653
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,000
issues with the audio equipment back then.

654
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000
And then it came up as like half a British accent and half a

655
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000
American accent.

656
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Yeah.

657
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,000
The British accent influence being that it provides a level of

658
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,000
like a class and intellectualism to it.

659
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,000
And then universality for everybody can like subscribe to the

660
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,000
same way of speaking once, you know, in, in movies.

661
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,000
And I think a lot of audio equipment at that time was a lot

662
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,000
more like tenor based and didn't have as much base, like base

663
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,000
sort of, sort of spectrum.

664
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,000
So speaking in a higher voice like this is going to get a lot

665
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000
more across into people's ears because, you know, the closest

666
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,000
thing you can think of now is maybe like an AM quality radio

667
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,000
or like something like that is going to be very fuzzy and tinny.

668
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,000
So you're going to cut through that static a lot more if you're

669
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,000
shining like this.

670
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Right.

671
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,000
Right.

672
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Right.

673
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,000
Right.

674
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,000
Right.

675
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Right.

676
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,000
Right.

677
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Right.

678
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Right.

679
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Right.

680
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Right.

681
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Right.

682
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,000
Right.

683
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Here we go again, which are people are tired.

684
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000
Hey, baby, baby, hey, honey, baby.

685
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,000
I want to live again.

686
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,000
We got a comment in the chat every time of Bella Rings and

687
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000
brandini gets wings.

688
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Yes, baby.

689
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,000
I got a question in the chat about how did the production

690
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000
have to make things.

691
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Scenes longer because of them being drunk or not able to

692
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,000
come out and do those scenes.

693
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Yes.

694
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,240
Yes. And yes, 100.

695
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:01,400
That was why they couldn't have everyone together in the same room,

696
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,880
like barely ever in this movie, because some people were always off

697
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,520
doing something else in the Ocean's Eleven documentary.

698
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,680
It was like there was a lot of chasing ladies

699
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,080
and gambling and who's a watsy's and staying up all night.

700
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,120
And then they would go to the steam room at the end of the night

701
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,640
and Frank would buy everyone special robes

702
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,640
with their names on their names on it.

703
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,960
The other names, Sammy was smokey the bear

704
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,160
because he would run around and be like, man, man, man, man, man,

705
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,400
like smokey the bear one. I'm like, oh, my God.

706
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,680
And then Frank Sinatra had his was he was the pope.

707
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:39,640
It seems like a cell.

708
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,200
It seemed like he like self named self gave a nickname to to himself.

709
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,040
He's like, I made the robe.

710
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,400
I can put whatever fucking nickname that I want on it, baby.

711
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,640
That's right. I cuss when I don't sing. Don't you know?

712
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,280
I know my name is Frank Frank Sinatra.

713
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,080
Dude, wow, that was really good.

714
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,440
Wow. Oh, my God.

715
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,120
Frankie's a lady.

716
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,120
What if everyone introduced themselves that way?

717
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,960
The name's Brandon Brandon Stables.

718
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,960
Brandon Stables.

719
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,320
You should try it.

720
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,760
Christian Christian Rabino.

721
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,720
No, well, you should. Yeah.

722
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,000
Well, you should do the James Bond.

723
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:16,440
It's fun.

724
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,760
So like next time you check into a hotel or something named Rabino.

725
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,200
Christian Rabino.

726
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,360
It works perfect for hotel check in because usually give your last name first

727
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,280
because that's what I'm like, Rabino Christian Rabino.

728
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:31,480
It feels good when you do it.

729
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,920
You feel fucking like, yeah.

730
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:34,880
You also I would.

731
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,600
I was well to anybody if they go, oh, Mr.

732
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,400
Rabino, your room, Mr. Rabino is my father.

733
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,400
You can call me Christian.

734
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,400
No, OK, dad.

735
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,400
OK, dad.

736
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,840
Always the only but a goodie.

737
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,720
It is a goodie. It's a goodie.

738
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:54,800
I like it. It's a goodie.

739
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:55,520
It's a goodie.

740
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,040
But yeah, I mean, you know, to to finish off the question from the chat about the

741
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,840
production, I mean, yeah, again, I think all of us would if we were to be

742
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,880
responsible for rewriting this movie or helping to redirect this movie is even

743
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,160
because of the fact that it was so difficult to get them together because of

744
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,160
them being drunk or being too busy, then it really is the Otis's place on

745
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:23,160
the shooting structure of this movie to then be very specific about like, OK,

746
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,000
so today we're everybody's going to get together and we're going to shoot the

747
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:31,560
scene as opposed to it just seems like so flat footed in the production.

748
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,640
Like, OK, I guess today we only got this person.

749
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,080
Oh, I guess today we only have that person and making everything so much more

750
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,200
drawn out because you didn't know if you were going to get somebody or not.

751
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,840
And simplified to just like, I mean, yeah, this is.

752
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:52,520
This is natural for the for the time, but very static shots of of like,

753
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,200
there would be there's that scene at the pet store or whatever.

754
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,920
Or else like, oh, my God, it's like five minutes and they just haven't moved the

755
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:05,960
camera. And I know like that's just that's coming out of like the 50s and

756
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,760
stuff. And they're just like, oh, well, look at this new.

757
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,320
I mean, this is still a while after films have been around.

758
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,080
There's been there's been like Albert Hitchcock has done a lot of interesting

759
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,120
stuff and he's guilty of it as well.

760
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,640
Like, when I watch Alan for a murder, it's really just like, wow, we can just

761
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,480
put a stage play on film. Look at this.

762
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,400
This is amazing. And that's really all they did was just like, OK,

763
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,080
and to a stage left and say your lines and leave stage right.

764
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,960
And that's that's how we'll do it.

765
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,040
And we'll hit the camera and you go and then.

766
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,720
Say Broadway. That's that's it.

767
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:35,960
And we just turn it on, turn it off.

768
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,560
No need. There's a little bit of panning and following certain characters

769
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,840
and stuff like that. And occasionally like a zoom or like the edit for the

770
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,640
New Year's thing, you know, will bring up in like the last final shot of them

771
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,640
walking is pretty iconic.

772
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,960
And there's there's some of that good stuff, but it's few and far between.

773
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,120
And it is interesting that it it's simplified, but also drawn out.

774
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,320
And they didn't take the time to to it.

775
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:03,920
You know, yeah.

776
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Because, yeah, ultimately, I think this movie would have benefited

777
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,120
from not drawing itself out.

778
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,960
And I'm sure I don't know, given how unpredictable the actors in this movie

779
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,680
are, yeah, and more beneficial to not having it be drawn out where.

780
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,200
You have to shoot the overall shooting schedule is longer, make the shooting

781
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,960
schedule shorter. And I mean, at the end of the day, like, depending,

782
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,200
you know, we don't really know how, you know, much the unpredictability

783
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,440
of the actors affected a lot of stuff by and large.

784
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,920
But I think all of us would like to assume that if you would have just

785
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,080
focused more so on scenes where you could get everybody together and it

786
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,880
still be pretty improvisational and not terribly structured.

787
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:54,320
But overall, like the shooting schedule is geared around how do we get

788
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,000
the wrap packed together in scenes, you know, and make kind of the time,

789
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:59,760
you know, make things count.

790
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,840
I think this movie would have benefited a lot.

791
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,360
Because again, the crazy statistic or fact about this movie is, is that all

792
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,200
of the guys aren't in a scene together until the very last shot.

793
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,560
Yep. Right. Yeah.

794
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:16,520
Everybody. So a lot of this movie is it's going to be like two guys,

795
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,400
you know, and then the other cast or, you know, but, you know, or some combination.

796
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,600
The closest thing is also the pool table at the meeting and a few of the things

797
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,200
at the meeting that even those kind of kind of like break off.

798
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,680
Like I but that's at least where it's needed that dialogue.

799
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,560
It picks it's very one take.

800
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,120
E like it's very just like stilted and just like, let's see how this works

801
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,160
and experiment, but then they don't iron out the details.

802
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,840
And then the whole plan, you know, I like the the handkerchief.

803
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,520
He changes the color of the handkerchief with the side of hand.

804
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,480
Same with Dino has some side of hand stuff, too.

805
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:58,520
I like that they both are, you know, they have that in their in their skill set.

806
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,720
And then they play it.

807
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:00,640
They face it down.

808
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,840
And then I just like how he points at all of them like three times, like which one's

809
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,240
OK, we're doing five. All right. Here we go.

810
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,680
I forgot them, but they like listen.

811
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:14,200
Now it's like the sands and the sands, the Riviera, the Desert and and the Flamingo

812
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,840
and that handkerchief. Some of them didn't exist

813
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,480
when we were born.

814
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,280
No, yeah, they don't really done so bananas.

815
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,040
Bananas done so by gone by gone.

816
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:29,120
It's a by gone era by by gone.

817
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,920
Yeah, that's because they all died.

818
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:34,880
But coming into Vegas, that's the fun.

819
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:42,040
OK, speaking of which, I feel like I didn't get enough visual of Vegas.

820
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,320
Like I could want to.

821
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,840
Yeah, I think that's like the biggest crime of this movie.

822
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,040
Am I were they in Vegas?

823
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,280
It's like home in Vegas.

824
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,040
Yeah, because that's where they were doing all their shows.

825
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,040
They had to like they had to do it to shoot out there.

826
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,000
Yeah, but time and time again, it's just in rooms.

827
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,680
It's in like a set room.

828
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,800
Yeah.

829
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,360
You know, just an actual casino.

830
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,800
But I can take a mouse.

831
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:06,840
Yeah. All right.

832
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,120
Let's just set up around Frank.

833
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,280
He's not moving.

834
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,040
Or yeah, let's put the camera in the back of Dino's performance.

835
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,360
And yeah, man, I just it really bummed me out how

836
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,960
I felt like I didn't get enough of Vegas in this movie.

837
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,160
And that would be my biggest critique about this is I just didn't get that level of,

838
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,160
you know, I don't know, moving between casinos, more exteriors,

839
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,960
more like places within in the casinos and all of that.

840
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,800
Yeah.

841
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,600
Yeah, totally.

842
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,160
It was close, especially like near the end in shooting like the

843
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,800
the power going out and the wire, you know, in the dynamite shooting down.

844
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:44,920
Yeah.

845
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,840
But at least there was like, oh, we're outside.

846
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,000
It felt so good to be outside for that power line coming down.

847
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,440
Yeah.

848
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,680
And a little bit of that chaos.

849
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:52,680
It was so model.

850
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,680
Yeah, the CGI was such a model.

851
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,280
No CGI. Yeah.

852
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,360
It was like a model like this little like.

853
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,160
It's like this big.

854
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,160
Yeah. It really looks like.

855
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,640
It's like.

856
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:05,800
Oh, it's totally OK.

857
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,080
It was definitely.

858
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,720
It's the size of my mic.

859
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:09,720
Yeah.

860
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,120
That's the side.

861
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:12,880
It's a hokey.

862
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:13,960
It's a hokey movie.

863
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,520
And you I want more fun stuff rather than just people like lounge and rap.

864
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,040
Like I'm maybe they needed to harness the chemistry of the rap hack.

865
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,120
Like this movie is slated as like we got them all together.

866
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,600
They're in they're in Vegas and they're doing a heist.

867
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:34,840
And it's two hours of of like just fluffing around that they're fluffing.

868
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,600
It's just fluffing around.

869
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,640
They're fluffing around around.

870
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,640
And like I mentioned, yeah, it's like you get to this meeting.

871
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,440
It's like, OK, finally.

872
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,000
But then it kind of it it breaks off again into everyone separating

873
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:55,920
and going into this very visual almost extended montage of everyone

874
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:02,280
doing their separate things and Dino singing and a lot of visual stuff here.

875
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,680
That is also very slow.

876
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,360
A lot of shoe leather.

877
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,600
I say that because there's a lot of leathery shoes as well.

878
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,320
Leathery faces.

879
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,240
Usually, you know, I've seen him singing and even him fucking around on the

880
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:20,240
piano before like that's that's really nice.

881
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,840
What could he use more of that?

882
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,960
They didn't really explain.

883
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,200
He looks like the human embodiment of a shoe.

884
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,120
He's got this is like long face, droopy eyes.

885
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,920
Very.

886
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,360
It looks like a fine equestrian saddle.

887
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,240
I think they did a lot of solo acts, but with the people, they didn't really

888
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:46,920
explain the solo acts like, OK, you know, Dean Martin's character is going to sing.

889
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:52,200
Real quick, but there wasn't like a like much explanation as to why he's

890
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,840
playing on the piano in the middle of the casino.

891
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,160
And it's like, if you're not going to explain that too much, like, why don't

892
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,160
you just throw all three of them in together, which is what the people want to see.

893
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,080
Oh my God.

894
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:04,080
Oh my God.

895
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,200
Absolutely.

896
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,840
At least even if they're fucking around like at the meeting, someone's like sits

897
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,960
on the piano and they all sit.

898
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,240
They all like.

899
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:12,760
Yeah.

900
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,560
They all rub each other and sing and just have a little moment like, God damn,

901
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,840
like, how do you not get that right?

902
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,760
It's like the one thing you got to do.

903
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:26,280
And this movie is is a long and there's there's like not enough, not enough

904
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,320
of the chemistry because it's electric when you see them like together,

905
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,560
their body language changes, even if like they like whatever with the dialogue

906
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,080
and the pool scene pool, you know, shooting pool scene and everything.

907
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,640
But they're like Frankie's body language completely relaxes.

908
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,320
They all they all just like.

909
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,520
Give it like just don't care anymore in a good way because they don't care either

910
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,360
way. So mind as well, have it be more in like a fun sort of thing.

911
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,120
Because otherwise they're just kind of like, ah, whatever.

912
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,880
I'm tired and drunk.

913
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:05,080
This movie posits this really fascinating, you know, just thing that exists

914
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:12,360
in reality where all of these guys in the film to me are so incredibly

915
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,560
like nervous and stilted about being on camera.

916
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:21,480
But they are known for being so loose and so charismatic on stage,

917
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:27,160
which is arguably, you know, I don't know, harder kind of like at least in my mind,

918
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,600
but I don't know for certain because I haven't experienced either.

919
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,960
But like. The way that I would put it is like getting, you know,

920
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,960
being putting yourself out there in front of a live audience, as opposed to a

921
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,560
very like calculated environment, though that there's a lot of people watching

922
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,600
and maybe pressure is mounting, you know, like it's just, it's crazy to me

923
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,800
to think about how poor of actors they all come off being because they're

924
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,280
so like rigid and like it just, it's one of those things where Sammy's pretty

925
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,800
Sammy's good. Sammy's good. That's what I was saying at the top.

926
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,760
Like Sammy's my favorite because he is the one out of all of them that feels

927
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,320
like what is happening in my mind is that his.

928
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:18,000
Like enter his want to do really well is doing so much of the heavy

929
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,040
lifting of not being like an actor and, you know, needing to provide all of this,

930
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:29,080
like, you know, like depth and character in your body language and your looks

931
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,320
and how you, you know, present your dialogue or whatever.

932
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:38,920
He just is so wanting to do well by the movie that it really just ends up being

933
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,920
such a huge benefit and stand out performance to me because there's time

934
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,560
and time again. I just find, especially Frank Sinatra, just being so like.

935
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:53,200
Yeah, over here and then I got to say these lines and then, you know, it's just,

936
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,520
it's so like, I need to just focus on hitting my mark and it comes off as just

937
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,760
yeah, being really robotic.

938
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,080
Yeah, really. It means something to Sammy, whether that's the actual Sammy or

939
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,520
it's his character as well. It also means something rather than, you know,

940
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,040
their Dino and Frank are just like a little bit more aloof about it and just

941
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,160
kind of like, man, whatever goes, baby. And Sammy's just like kind of a bolt

942
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,160
of energy into all of it.

943
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,640
But yeah, they set it all up.

944
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:30,160
I this, this has much more energy than the beginning, this portion and at least the

945
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:35,320
plan itself was, you know, pretty yeah, some, some similarities to the Soderbergh

946
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:41,120
one, but I like the whole idea of them finding a way to take out the power and

947
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,680
just knock out the power for a brief moment of time and then get in there and

948
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,440
do their thing and get out rewire it. That's the whole thing.

949
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,320
Yeah. Right. Yeah. The wires, if like the, the emergency lights, instead of the

950
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,920
emergency lights going on or whatever, it would open the doors to the vault.

951
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,680
Just cross those wires, baby. That was just such a funny like, well, what if you

952
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,480
take that wire and cross it with the take the light one and cross it with the

953
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,280
door one, baby? And that was it. It was like, oh, okay. Yeah.

954
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,880
All right. Let's do that.

955
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,320
It was an overall like very straightforward robbery. Turn off the lights,

956
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,720
going and rob them. Sure. Like.

957
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,160
And then yeah.

958
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,200
But the East was, he's had a different thing and then like the actual moment of

959
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,600
it, if I'm jumping ahead a bit, but like the jumping between everything as it's

960
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,840
happening was one of like the more successful things in my mind of the

961
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,960
movie at the time to, to have fun, some little more fun with the editing of

962
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,440
jumping back and forth between everything. And that's what you learn.

963
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,240
And a Soderbergh world is like, Oh, he can do these cool split, split screen

964
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:56,080
things with like some snazzy music and have like more like implied sort of

965
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,920
meaning rather than, all right, let me tell you everything that I'm going to

966
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:03,520
do. And that's all just sit down for a minute and hash it out. It's like, no,

967
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:09,000
you get it. And kind of move along and keep up the cool factor.

968
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,040
Because that's like, these guys are cool. You want the movie to be cool as well.

969
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,000
But it still doesn't, in my mind, achieve that fully because it spends so much

970
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:27,440
time in all of the other men in the 11 doing the spraying the stuff on shit.

971
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,240
The doorknobs is crazy.

972
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:35,640
It's like when it actually happened. I just like was thinking, it's like, I

973
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:41,560
felt like I spent 30 minutes of this movie with people like spraying stuff on

974
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,120
the doors, you went a bunch of stuff and like none of it seemed to fucking matter.

975
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:50,400
Like all it was was like the lights go off, the safe's open, you take the money,

976
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,640
you throw it in the trash and it's over.

977
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,840
But it's like they couldn't find the door when the lights are off.

978
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,560
So let's add some glow in the dark paint to like make sure everyone knows.

979
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,120
And they had to, oh, yeah.

980
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:08,040
The footprint thing that looked pretty cool and like they had to blow out some candles.

981
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,600
There's like the security guard like, oh, I got a light.

982
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,120
There's candle. They just like blew it out and they're like, yeah.

983
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,040
So, hey, blow up that candle.

984
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,040
Got him.

985
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,040
I need you all to say maybe.

986
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:29,040
Yeah, it's it. I mean, it's it's it's simple, but like that that idea and doing

987
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:34,520
such a big like five casinos in Vegas on like it just seems like a

988
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,680
at the same time impossible sort of task.

989
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,040
I have mission impossible sort of heist and that sort of

990
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,800
weight and scale makes it exciting.

991
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,760
But I know, yeah, kind of jumping a little bit to that, but I think we're we're fine.

992
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,000
Yeah, we're there. Yeah, we can get there because yeah, again, so much of this movie

993
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,440
is like taking too much time on something that is really important to us.

994
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,360
And that is like trying to get it to some degree and on something that is really

995
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,360
not a complex or like interesting.

996
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,360
Maybe we've seen too many heists.

997
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,680
I mean, there's been a lot a lot of heist movies since this time, and maybe

998
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,400
there was like it was recently.

999
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,000
Concept. Yeah, definitely.

1000
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:21,120
And then it's it's just interesting to see how they want to structure it.

1001
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,280
And you know, this movie was made in the 50s and came out in 1960 even too.

1002
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,240
sort of situation after a script that I think had been or an idea that had been passed around for a while to.

1003
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,760
But also to what the guys that are involved in it, like it's one of those things like the reason.

1004
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:36,760
Oh, yeah.

1005
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,560
And it was putting them on the cover for sure.

1006
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:46,480
It was interesting to hear too about like all of their careers leading up to this because we're talking about men who are like in their almost

1007
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,080
in their fifties by the time this movie is.

1008
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:49,680
Yeah.

1009
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:50,760
They're in this movie.

1010
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:56,360
So it's not like these are like up, you know, like rising stars or whatever.

1011
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Like these are older men that everybody has really come to love because of that's what Duke Santo says.

1012
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,000
And you can only do things when you're young or whatever.

1013
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,000
He says something like that.

1014
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,360
Duke, the Duke.

1015
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,720
It's me, Duke Santos.

1016
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,360
So great to hear on that guy.

1017
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:13,160
Holy shit.

1018
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,240
Oh, he did actually.

1019
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:14,760
Yeah.

1020
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,320
And I also thought everything was hilarious.

1021
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,600
I know this is near the end, but he's like when he finds out that it's

1022
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:29,480
Danny Ocean and his military friends, then he's like, can you believe it?

1023
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,760
Oh, it's your son and his military friend.

1024
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,160
Oh, I can't believe it.

1025
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,760
And he's just like laughing.

1026
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,400
So then he goes in and confronts him and he's just like, hey, I demand half.

1027
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:43,400
They wanted 30.

1028
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,200
I want more.

1029
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,360
All right.

1030
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,040
See you tomorrow.

1031
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:52,040
You're just like so happy and just like it was like basic math help decided his life.

1032
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,720
He's like, well, they're going to give me 30 percent, but I'm asking for 50.

1033
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,840
And that's bigger than 30.

1034
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,440
It just sucked out even that moment.

1035
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,520
It's like, oh, conflict.

1036
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,280
Oh, a moment of like, hey, maybe we don't let him leave.

1037
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,360
And hey, maybe you grab that gun out of the fucking safe and we hold it to him and we

1038
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,520
tell him like, fuck you, we're not giving you 50 until your friends like, you know,

1039
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,200
but it's not going to go this north the seven easy out of course.

1040
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,760
But like there was like a moment of tension of just like, oh, you guys in the room together

1041
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,040
and he's like, all right, I'll see you tomorrow.

1042
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,320
And they're like, okay, bye.

1043
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:27,640
Absolutely.

1044
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:28,200
All right.

1045
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,240
The only one to drink.

1046
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:29,560
Okay.

1047
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,360
The only like real.

1048
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:38,120
Oh, I perked up during that moment because I was like fucking finally that there's some

1049
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:43,160
drama because even in the heist of it all, like the drama is so thin.

1050
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:43,640
Yeah.

1051
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:50,120
Because, you know, they have the issue with Tony Birddough, Richard Conti, where,

1052
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,120
you know, he's struggling to steal the money.

1053
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,680
And I was like, oh, I was really kind of yeah, that was a nice one.

1054
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:57,320
In on it.

1055
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,360
It's like, oh, shit.

1056
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,640
I was like, oh, shit, he's going to like die at the safe.

1057
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,880
And then there's going to be this whole thing of like, you know, a man is left behind and

1058
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,800
it's going to be the reason that the whole thing falls apart because they're able to like

1059
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,560
either, I don't know, I guess question him or like follow the trail because

1060
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:14,680
he exists or whatever.

1061
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,200
And the movie just like kills him off.

1062
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,160
It's not a big deal.

1063
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:19,800
Yeah.

1064
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:20,520
Moves on.

1065
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:27,640
But then it drags out that revelation so far because his death is the reason that everyone

1066
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,840
kept like gradually kind of catches on because they because he because Duke Santos first figures

1067
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,120
that part out.

1068
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,120
And then the second one was like, oh, my son didn't go to the squad valley.

1069
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,640
So I guess he's in Vegas.

1070
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,720
So we should go get lunch with him later.

1071
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:44,360
Oh, he's been hanging out with that Danny Ocean and

1072
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,400
that 82nd Airborne.

1073
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:48,600
Yeah.

1074
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,080
And he was like, oh, they all went to the army together.

1075
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,680
That's a coincidence.

1076
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:52,920
Yeah.

1077
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,480
And they gave up that Nazi gold instead of burying.

1078
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,120
Yeah.

1079
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,520
There was that like story Frank was saying something.

1080
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,360
He was like, man, now that gold we could have just buried is like there's nowhere to bury it.

1081
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,200
And like, well, now there is.

1082
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:11,640
We can't get, we can't take back that Nazi gold situation, but we can take the gold

1083
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,080
of Vegas.

1084
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:21,560
But yeah, then they make him out to be such like a Sherlock Holmes when he's literally

1085
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,880
putting like obvious puzzle pieces together like right there.

1086
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,960
Well, the moment is just like like lays it out for him.

1087
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,240
She was just like, yeah.

1088
00:56:33,240 --> 00:56:34,600
Oh, well, that's my son.

1089
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:35,560
He should have been there.

1090
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:36,680
Now he's here with us.

1091
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,520
And then he's just like, uh-huh.

1092
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,920
Okay, she's like laying it like putting the pieces together for him and like, oh, and

1093
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,440
then that Danny Ocean is there too.

1094
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:46,920
Come on, Duke Santos.

1095
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:53,000
But even then, like when he visited their hotel room, he walks in and he's like, oh,

1096
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:53,960
it's a nice hotel room.

1097
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,080
They got nice seats here.

1098
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,160
And he's like, you know what?

1099
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,520
I know it was you guys.

1100
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,360
And he was like, oh, what do you know?

1101
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,640
We don't know anything.

1102
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,400
And they guys like, I know it was you guys that stole because you're all part of the same thing.

1103
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,680
And then they just gave up like immediately.

1104
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,680
They're like, oh, fuck, he knows.

1105
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:11,160
He knows.

1106
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,200
He's about to say, he's like, are you the police?

1107
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:15,640
He's like, are you the police?

1108
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,520
No, I work for the casinos.

1109
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,920
And they're like, talk a little bit more.

1110
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,840
And then he's like, I'm reaching for the phone.

1111
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,000
He's like, wait, are you the police?

1112
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,800
And he's like, no.

1113
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,640
And then they just like, okay, it was us.

1114
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:30,520
I'm sorry.

1115
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,280
Okay, we'll see you tomorrow with the money.

1116
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:32,680
Bye.

1117
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:40,120
And that just that kind of is how this movie moves along is like a drawn out conversation

1118
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,600
rather than action and decisive sort of storytelling.

1119
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:45,240
It's a little bit.

1120
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,240
Yeah, just kind of fluffing.

1121
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,680
It's a it's a lot.

1122
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,520
It's a little little fluffy.

1123
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:53,080
Fluffy.

1124
00:57:53,080 --> 00:58:00,760
Because there's a I and the Soderbergh parallel this one and the third act would be them just

1125
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,840
a beautiful one of the best moments of the scene of them over the movie, I feel like is

1126
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:09,240
them walking out to the Bellagio Fountains to was a Claire DeLune that song.

1127
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,280
I really like that song.

1128
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:16,440
And all looking at each other and everything, which is I think an ode to this the last shot

1129
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:17,160
of this movie.

1130
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,000
But before we get to that part in this movie, there's a half hour.

1131
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:26,840
Yeah, we've already kind of mentioned of Duke Santos really just on the case and trying to

1132
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:33,080
figure it out and we get introduced to the all the casino bosses, you know, they have

1133
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,680
a meeting which they all I guess that's kind of the Andy Garcia is just them all together.

1134
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,720
And that I was just kind of like rubbing my head.

1135
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,240
I'm like, we barely get any Frank during this part.

1136
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,960
We get the one part where he shows up to their apartment.

1137
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,440
But beyond that, we really don't get much.

1138
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,480
And it's just like, why are we doing this?

1139
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:59,160
And in my mind, it's like these movies never let the bad guy win.

1140
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,920
And there has to be some sort of come up and sort of some sort of way where they don't

1141
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,840
get their money, even if it's a funny way.

1142
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:11,800
Or if it's like, you know, like a true story would like, but not what's the one fucking

1143
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:19,720
the couple that's the goes on the rampage or I can't think of it with a

1144
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:25,560
dammit, like the man and woman that are a couple.

1145
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:33,480
And there's a movie about them that they go like a bank robbery spree or yeah, or even

1146
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,480
I'll just like put you on Bonnie and Clyde.

1147
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,680
Bonnie and Clyde, thank you.

1148
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:37,960
Yeah, Bonnie and Clyde.

1149
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,880
But like all those movies or even I was thinking of, I think this is 60s, but it's the original

1150
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,400
Italian job with Michael Cain.

1151
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,080
It's four years for that one.

1152
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:49,800
But that one, I don't have to get into the full ending of that one maybe, but they're just like,

1153
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,280
they have all of their, all of their money.

1154
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:53,160
They're in a big bus.

1155
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:58,680
They're in a car chase going around these like the talent, like the Alps in or somewhere

1156
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:04,040
in Italy or some obviously Italian job, but like it looks like they might be in like going

1157
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:08,200
over Switzerland or something, but they're like going to these like mountains and and

1158
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,760
and windy curves and they spin off on the side.

1159
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:15,160
The gold is on one side where the cliff is and they're on the other.

1160
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,360
And if they are going to try to get the gold, they're going to go over and it's going to

1161
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,640
tip over to the side.

1162
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,240
And so it's leaning like a seesaw and it's like, wow, the most exciting

1163
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,200
pulse pounding moment of the movie.

1164
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,040
And then the credits just roll and they're stuck in that predicament and you're left

1165
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,760
with that like, and that's just sort of the idea.

1166
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,080
It makes me think of the filmmaking at this time where you're left with this feeling of like,

1167
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,720
oh, those criminals, like they didn't get away with it.

1168
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:45,160
And now they're stuck in this ironic situation, like the irony of the situation is satisfying

1169
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:51,400
to walk away from rather than have the characters fulfill more of an arc.

1170
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:56,920
It's just more of like they are criminals and they need their comeuppance in some sort of

1171
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:02,200
way and some sort of ironic sort of way or or or brutality, which is in some of them.

1172
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:07,720
And this one, it's fun and or it's it's it is ironic and it's played for laughs.

1173
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:14,600
It was a goof. But is I mean, am I I'm kind of barreling along here to the to the end?

1174
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:15,960
No, I think you're right. Yeah.

1175
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,720
No, I think we're doing all right. If anything, yeah, I mean, a lot of this plot, yeah, is

1176
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:26,120
such fluff and so long-winded that it's fine that we're at this point.

1177
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,880
I mean, we've already started getting. Yeah. I mean, I have no qualms about it.

1178
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:37,480
If anything, I'm starting to think about this idea of, you know, now, yeah, kind of touching

1179
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:44,360
and on this difference between the filmmaking of this period and then the remakes and then

1180
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:50,360
the films that have come after this. And it just makes me think of this idea of like postmodernism

1181
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:58,520
with, you know, like Tarantino and Soderbergh, where, you know, they're such, you know, their whole

1182
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:04,920
stick is is that they grew up from a generation that watched that, you know, had movie stores

1183
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:10,920
that they went to and watched movies like this because I'm sure their parents were big rat pack

1184
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:17,720
fans. So they saw this movie and got inspired by it. But then, you know, in with the modern

1185
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:22,600
sensibility of it, you make the changes that you would have liked to see happen. And then

1186
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:27,400
that's where you get the Soderbergh stuff where you're like, well, obviously you want the criminals

1187
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:33,080
to win because that's way more fun. It was so crazy how this movie ended to me. I had no idea

1188
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:38,920
it was going to end like this. Me neither. No, I was so blown away by how it ended because it

1189
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:44,760
just like literally it was like insult to injury for me where there are so many moments that felt

1190
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:51,000
like it was like air let out of a bag. And then for the movie itself to kind of like end on this

1191
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:59,000
like just fart like it was crazy. A great shot. That shot is awesome. The shot is awesome. But

1192
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,040
that's what I'm saying about really get the right pull out. Pull that from underneath. And

1193
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,960
there's a little bit of a laugh. I don't know. You kind of just like chuckle a little bit inside.

1194
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:10,520
But a little bit of a lot. Yeah. It's yeah. I was kind of I was kind of okay with it,

1195
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:17,000
but it just took so long to get there that it was I ever winded it twice. And I was like,

1196
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,160
is this really how this movie is ending right now? I like had to like rewatch it. I was like,

1197
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:26,360
was I am like, am I not paying attention enough? Like, is this the ending? I think it was frustrating

1198
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:32,360
where I was like calling out the I mean, already then putting in the trash. I was like, this seems

1199
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:38,440
like a bad idea. And then taking it sort of, I mean, taking it out of there. It was like, oh,

1200
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:45,880
I get it. Great. Super smart. And that's why you got you hired Sammy, of course, by BT dubs.

1201
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:52,680
There's blackface in this movie as well. So that's a thing. Unfortunately, that unnecessary

1202
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:58,840
unnecessary unnecessary to. Holy fuck. It was unnecessary. And then they made a joke about it.

1203
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:05,080
Yeah. And yeah, God, there was a couple of things that men did not age. While we had talked about

1204
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:13,160
like arms whole thing is that he's joking about becoming the secretary of the interior. And

1205
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:20,680
then he's going to make women slaves again. He's gonna do away with women voting and turning

1206
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:27,880
them into slaves. And turn them into slaves. I was like, Oh, no, Dino, dude. That's exactly

1207
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:33,320
that reaction to see it to that. And also to the block to the blackface. I was just kind of like,

1208
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:42,200
Oh, man. Oh, no way. Oh, shit. Like, why do we have to? And what did they say? They're like,

1209
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:48,760
how do you get it off? Like to Sammy Davis? You know, I'm like, Jesus Christ. Yeah.

1210
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:57,640
Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, it's right. It's yeah, I like, you know, like, I only lie to girls. That

1211
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:04,200
was that was one. There's there's a I might I might go through. Maybe I'll go through my notes

1212
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:09,400
real quick because we're at a lot of that movie didn't age well. It did not. The overall movie

1213
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:14,600
did not age well. No, I'll just see. I'll run through some of some of my notes. Honey, Honeyface

1214
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:19,640
was one of the girls that is dancing and then it's the one guy's husband or sorry, a wife.

1215
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:28,760
And then when the other guy watching her stands up and says, I want to wrap you and take you home

1216
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:36,440
and spread you on my waffle. Yep. I remember that. And then they get really mad and they get into

1217
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:43,080
a into a brawl in the bar. You want you like a good bar brawl. That's that's what you want in

1218
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:48,360
in a movie like this. I got a quote to where it says, uh, I can't remember the scene was like,

1219
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:54,840
but everything all right, Joe. Yep. Like tulips in July, tulips in July. Yeah. There's a lot of

1220
01:05:54,840 --> 01:06:00,360
that stuff for you. Just kind of like, okay. Okay. The whole like, I can't live my life according

1221
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:06,760
according to whatever color of the card. Hostess knows it. I don't think that would ever happen

1222
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:14,840
again. Where like common sayings in like pop culture will be based on when a plan is like

1223
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:22,360
regularly blooming. Yeah. That we might be past that kind of nomenclature that lexicon

1224
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:28,360
I mean, a bit of like flower analogies and metaphors and things. What I thought was really

1225
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:35,080
also kind of like, um, progressive of it is that the love interest for Sinatra were very age

1226
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:42,920
appropriate. Yeah. Yeah. I thought so. Both of the women were like his age and had their own

1227
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:48,760
shit going on and they just didn't want to put up with his bullshit. And I dug like, yeah, I dug

1228
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:55,960
into that too. And I, you know, I know the other woman, it was very much like she's a pill, all of

1229
01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:02,040
this stuff. So I wasn't like, that's pretty dated shit. But like when they introduced her, it was,

1230
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:08,520
I was like, Oh, she's, yeah, she's, she's, she's a bill. Which is a bummer because, you know,

1231
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:13,240
it's like, no, she's just like, I, I know you're fucking around and I don't like it. You know,

1232
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:18,680
that's her whole stick like, and rightfully so. But I, God, there was so many, there was moments

1233
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:23,880
with the, like Frank's relationship with Angie Dickinson. And that's one of my notes as well

1234
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:30,120
as like Angie Dickinson kind of makes like everybody else is like, she's such a good actress

1235
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:34,760
that everybody else, like it makes it more noticeable how bad of an actor everybody else

1236
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:40,600
she's definitely in like a different movie because she's coming out with such a she comes across as

1237
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:45,880
a little monotone, but the energy that she's bringing in the beats that she's playing off of

1238
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:51,560
her just like completely fed up, which I enjoy with all these guys. She's like, whatever, who

1239
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:57,400
cares? And she's like, no, it's fucking matters. He's a fucking stop and you can't have women as

1240
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:04,760
slaves. God damn it. Do you know? Because yeah, like, so how was it? Someone say like,

1241
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:11,240
I don't like the girls. Yeah, that whatever that one. And then he was talking about someone was

1242
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:17,000
talking about being worried about going to jail for one to five and like, you know, take one to

1243
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:24,040
five to count, baby. You can buy a college or something like that. That was like, why would I

1244
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:32,760
want to buy a college college? A fickle fella stick with me. I'm sincere. A little Dino stuff

1245
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,920
where they go in and out of the elevator. We're like, Oh, Frank and Dino together, but they just

1246
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:42,200
switch places in the elevator. And I was like, Oh, wait, wait. And then Dino was like, Oh, I'll

1247
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:50,360
stick with you. I'm a sincere guy. You know what? I'm I'm a big bus. I got so suckered in on this

1248
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:59,640
these moments where it's like you like, let me get you to a bar and then they go to the bar,

1249
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:04,600
have a conversation and it's like, I need to get away from the bar and then they like kind of

1250
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:09,480
sucks you in, but then somebody leaves. I don't know. There was some moments in the movie that I

1251
01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:17,560
really did enjoy where yeah, I don't know. They're just the comfortability between amongst like

1252
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:24,760
Frank and Dino where they have obviously done this a bajillion times where they've talked to women

1253
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:30,440
and course them to have a conversation with them, have these conversations and then somebody gets up

1254
01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:38,440
and leaves and all of this. Yeah, I did. I did. Yeah, I just there isn't effortless quality that

1255
01:09:38,440 --> 01:09:44,280
comes across and some of these that really thrives for me on on the chemistry and that goes beyond

1256
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:51,960
yeah, filmmaking, dialogue writing is just having a lightning in a bottle with with those guys

1257
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:57,640
signing up to do a movie together, which yeah, you really got to find a way to catch that and

1258
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:04,600
condense it and liquify it and pump it into my veins and let me just hang out with Dino playing

1259
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:09,320
piano and the other guys just gathering around and then just kind of shooting the shit and drinking

1260
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:14,440
and having fun for a bit after they get their money and then they get roll off into the sunset.

1261
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:23,080
And guys, yeah, it's really something to just have a friend that's able to just kind of noodle at

1262
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:29,400
a piano while you're drinking because then just like with a majority of the songs by Dino and

1263
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:36,360
Frank and Sammy as well is that there's just such an energy of like, like you can kind of just jump

1264
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:42,120
in and you don't even really like loud like no, the music necessarily, but it just it has this

1265
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:50,200
energy that presents itself that you're so easily like I get the wavelength that you're on and I

1266
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:59,800
can just tune my frequency to it in such a like instant and easy way of like, yeah, you know,

1267
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:06,120
just like you can kind of just talk saying through stuff and everybody knows the melody and the

1268
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:11,080
cadence and all of that is yeah, there's something really, really to be said about that.

1269
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:20,760
Did you notice that whenever Dino was playing the piano, it would always pan to like a group of girls

1270
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:26,040
and they would have like a dead face and I'm like, you know, this is Dean Martin, you know,

1271
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,160
like just anybody. Yeah, this is fucking Dean Martin.

1272
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:37,080
But they were like, we don't want people to know that he's Dean Martin. So let us get three people

1273
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:43,640
who don't give a fucking shit about him and then pan to those girls right after he's playing in the

1274
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:51,400
movie. Yeah, ain't that a kick in the head. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. And then I guess I yeah, what else

1275
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:58,200
we got? I got steady steady as down country lovin was one of the other things. There was a lady

1276
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:07,640
with a haircut that looked like a sombrero. Oh yeah, who's who's the lady that kisses Dino is

1277
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:15,080
somebody to yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, that's Sherry McClain. Yes. Okay. Sherry McClain looking

1278
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:22,200
great in the movie. God yeah, because I'm funny. It's funny too. Yeah, I've only known her as a

1279
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:31,480
obviously an older woman. But yeah, she was trying to think of what I would know her the most from.

1280
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:39,560
God, I liked her. Yeah, she's great. Who's this girl? I was like, who's this little druggy?

1281
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,080
Like out of place and it was clear that yeah, they were like giving her time because she was

1282
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:49,080
somebody I didn't I just didn't know at the at the time. But that was like, yeah, and I love that

1283
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:54,840
that in the vein of this sort of thing of like having cameos and weirdly is how I would

1284
01:12:54,840 --> 01:13:03,720
know her. I feel like I know. Yeah, older, older her looks like older. Yeah. How about a kiss dips?

1285
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:08,200
What? Oh yeah. And then she dips Dino. I like that because I think he's trying to keep her from

1286
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:13,000
looking seeing a certain direction. So Dino is the one who gets dipped. And that's just I don't

1287
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:18,920
know. That was a funny, funny scene. When the countdown begins, the guy comes up, pucker up your

1288
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:26,200
lips ladies. And then we get the transition, which is one of the more artsy edits of the movie,

1289
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:31,960
where it's counting down from 20 or 15 or whatever for the New Year's and each time it goes between

1290
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,840
the different casinos of balloon comes out and edits to the next one. And then a balloon comes

1291
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,920
up and it's the next one. Really cool. The only thing the only note that I would make with that

1292
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,560
would make it a little cooler was in each different casino. They have different color balloons.

1293
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:51,080
Yes. So it was a clear like all you had to do was like, okay, so we're starting with red balloons

1294
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:55,560
in the first casino. The next one's going to be so make the next makes the make the transition

1295
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,000
to green balloon. And then you're in the green balloon room and then you're about to go in the

1296
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,680
pink one, make the next transition to pink balloon, but they were all red. And I was like,

1297
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,600
oh, yeah, almost had it was like really cool. And I'm like, oh, if you just change the color to

1298
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:11,240
the what's the next one's going to be that'd be sweet. That's so funny as a critique is

1299
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:17,160
something that I loved and noticed as well about that is the casinos.

1300
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:25,240
Safe's all have their name on the inside of it, but it was like different colors, but the same

1301
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:32,120
exact like lettering is. Yeah, they would open up the safe for each one and it would be like

1302
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:37,560
sans. It's all like the same print. You know, entered the sends.

1303
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,800
They all got the safe from like one guy's safe guy.

1304
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,440
We all got the same interior safe driver, operator guy.

1305
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:54,520
Yeah, he's safe from Arizona. Yeah, that's why we hired him. He's one of the 11. Don't you know?

1306
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,200
You're not gonna. Yeah, you're not gonna have a safe without your name in the

1307
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,200
in the inside of it, would you?

1308
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:02,680
Gotcha.

1309
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:11,640
Overall, I felt like the movie could have been bigger. And to James's point from earlier that

1310
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:17,560
they should have put in more of like actual Vegas because the movie, the way they set it up, it just

1311
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:26,280
felt it felt smaller when it's like you're robbing five of the biggest hotels and casinos in Vegas.

1312
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:32,760
Like, yeah, you just see the alleyway, the trash cans, the desert on the way out, or the rooms

1313
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:37,400
inside of it. Some marquees like that same marquee and over. And then that last final shot of all

1314
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:42,040
of them together is like, we got to have one shot of you outside all together. Come on, guys.

1315
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:49,160
It would have benefited from like a shot of somebody walking into the casino with the

1316
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:56,120
camera tracking them going through it or like somebody walking into an elevator and then going

1317
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:00,520
up to another floor like they should have been playing Elvis during this movie.

1318
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:10,760
We just reedit the movie and was Elvis big then? No. Was he? He was about to be right?

1319
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:17,080
Yeah, I know. That was the joke. But yeah, what if they just like go back and add like Chris Isaac?

1320
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:27,160
I never want to be the beauty. We live in others.

1321
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:39,800
I love that Sammy Davis Jr. scene in the hangar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1322
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:45,720
That is my in the documentary. It's like they're asking him like, why don't you guys have more?

1323
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:49,400
I did something along the like more scenes together or songs together in the movie. And

1324
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,600
Dino's like, yeah, we don't really like musicals. So

1325
01:16:54,760 --> 01:17:04,360
fuck you. For like the most quintessential music like musicians in that era.

1326
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:10,920
Such a bummer. It's like, oh man, I want that on film. Like it's cool to listen to CDs and stuff.

1327
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:16,680
You guys fucking around at Vegas and I'm sure there's like some plenty of clips. I kind of wanted

1328
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:21,560
to go on YouTube and just watch all the best of rap pack stuff after this movie because I just like,

1329
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:27,160
I want the good stuff because this doesn't really come across as getting into the good stuff of

1330
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:32,760
the rap pack. And I feel like I'm kind of like edging for that a little bit. So I feel like I

1331
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:41,000
got to like, yeah, I got to see it out of that. It's going to blow. You guys want to go to Vegas?

1332
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:48,360
I felt like people don't do that anymore. Like you never have like single, like single, successful

1333
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:53,320
stars combining together successfully into a group. It's always the opposite where

1334
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:58,680
like you have like a one direction. Like they're really very successful as a group. And then they

1335
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:03,240
are successful individually. It's never the opposite, which I felt like the rap pack was

1336
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:09,880
the opposite where these guys were individually very successful. And then they combine together

1337
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:15,080
and everyone was just like, I'll have another like fuck. Yeah. Yeah. That should be their tagline.

1338
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:21,240
The rap pack. I'll have the rap pack. I would have loved it. Yeah, more of a,

1339
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:28,520
I think we've now I feel like a broken record, but this movie is just so light on moments where

1340
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:35,720
they're all together. And, and it really, and I'm not even asking for a lot of that, but

1341
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:43,720
definitely more than we got. Yeah. I think that's the resounding thing. And like doing this, we're

1342
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:48,360
about, we're going to get into some reviews and then judge and figure out the scoring of it all.

1343
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:52,280
But this is our oldest movie we've ever done. And for a score like this to be

1344
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:58,200
represented on Groton Tomatoes is something that was far and away from existing at the time.

1345
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:03,160
And someone, yeah, whatever how they tabulated all the reviews that they did put on to the site

1346
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:09,560
that represents oceans love. And there's clearly like critics that did not care for this movie

1347
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:15,000
and looking into a little bit of what's out there about the making of it makes sense as to

1348
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:21,800
them not really giving a shit in like a very like detrimental way rather than, oh my God,

1349
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:28,280
can you see Brad Pitt just like throwing away lines and always eating and how much fun the

1350
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:34,360
editing and the music is. And that's what a way this is just kind of like not tapping into what

1351
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:38,680
we want. You guys good. Should I keep rolling? Should we take a break at all? What did it,

1352
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:44,120
what did you say? Wouldn't you say that that's something that taking into account that

1353
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:50,200
taking into account because like the ratings on Groton Tomatoes were taken many, many years

1354
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:58,760
ahead of time. So these critic ratings and these audience ratings are done in like the 2000s

1355
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,760
where it's all it's kind of like hard to gauge because it's not like at the time.

1356
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:13,400
Yeah, these are I mean, and for me, this is all worthwhile conversation because I don't pretend

1357
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:20,760
to like have Ron Tomatoes being accurate description of of the of what movies are rated.

1358
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:27,240
That's not really what we're doing here is like living to the standards around tomatoes and believing

1359
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:33,640
those numbers are accurate. It's kind of digesting at all watching the movie ourselves,

1360
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:38,840
going through some reviews and coming out on the other side and kind of hopefully figuring out like

1361
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:44,840
our own opinion about it and how kind of slanted honestly the Ron Tomatoes system is in

1362
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:53,320
figuring out what movie to watch and getting down to the bottom of the polarizing opinions

1363
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:59,800
is something that is dependent upon like the site that I don't even fully understand. And so for

1364
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:06,760
these older movies, I'm not sure which one of these are like publications from a time gone

1365
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:12,920
on pass and they're you know, republicizing in some sort of way on here or they're newer ones,

1366
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:16,360
but they fall into the critics section. I'm going to read some of those and then I'm going to read

1367
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,840
some audience reviews that fall into the other section. And then that's I don't know, I just

1368
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:28,120
feel like it gives us an idea of what this site represents itself. And it yeah, it's interesting

1369
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:32,840
to see which side we come out of it on as as well because this one was like, it was like, oh, it's

1370
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:38,440
got to be great. This movie's got to be great. It's got to be classic. We did we did remake it

1371
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:48,280
as a society. And we and there's, you know, sequels and even side movies of it as well. So

1372
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,960
this has got to be getting coming out the other side has been interesting. So I'm curious where

1373
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:59,640
we're all going to be. But what's it? So my initial like understanding of it all is that

1374
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:05,880
that so this movie is polarized because the critics rated it low, but the audience rated it

1375
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:12,120
really high. Correct. But when the audience started rating this movie, it was definitely

1376
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:19,640
20, 30 plus years after the movie was set. So these people watching it are essentially

1377
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:25,480
similar to us as if we watched it today. Like this movie has been around for a long time. And

1378
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:33,160
there's not for me. It's like, I don't understand. I'm trying to understand like, like a majority

1379
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:37,240
of the audience like really enjoyed this movie. So I'm trying to understand like, what about this

1380
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:41,960
movie they enjoy and not not in a negative sense, but just like literally like, I want to understand.

1381
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:47,560
And that avenue is I feel like in my yeah, like more open for the audience to continue to update

1382
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:53,640
their opinion, whereas critics, you don't see a lot of publications coming out with like, here's

1383
01:22:53,640 --> 01:23:00,280
our updated Ocean's 11 review, but audience side has a little bit more free will to kind of like

1384
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:09,400
write a newer review and continue to change and skew that average score in different directions.

1385
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:15,560
But yeah, I've tried to find ways to do other movies that were polarizing at the time of their

1386
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:22,360
release and may not be represented represented that way on Rotten Tomatoes in terms of polarization,

1387
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:28,360
but movies like The Thing, which became a cult classic into just a stone cold classic.

1388
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:36,440
Now, at the time was more maligned and not really celebrated as as it is. So people coming back on

1389
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:41,640
the other side and and enjoying it as something I think that could be worth a discussion and

1390
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:48,840
finding going more into the history of a film and and breaking down its and its its reception and

1391
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:54,920
it's, you know, further reception to even like other things like The Room or something like a bad

1392
01:23:54,920 --> 01:24:00,600
movie that's so been so recontextualized and that that contextualization is such a big big part of

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it with other things like campy sort of movies, but a movie like this, a movie like this. Some people

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move away. Before we get into reviews, I mean, if you were to pick your favorite character out of

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the bunch, do you know, do you know? Mine, Sammy, baby. Nice. I mean, I like Sammy, but I kind of

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like somewhat related more to Jimmy Foster as a character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I liked it.

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I like his mom reminded me of my mom. If I'm being very fun. Yeah. Yeah. Just like, what are you

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going to spend this money on? Like, oh, you know, nothing. Blah, blah, blah. Well, it looks like we

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need to find a Frank for our group. Calling everybody out there. Let's we're going to be

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interviewing Frank's. Yeah, we got got the helicopter helicopter parents. I understand how

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that goes. Well, who should we live? We all get to check out some reviews. You guys need a breaker

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or anything freshen up beverages. Let's take a minute to freshen up Beverginos.

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I mean, a minute. All right, I'll be back. All right. BRBs.

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And welcome back to the podcast, everybody. It's PolarizePod. We're talking Oceans 11.

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It is carrying a 48% from the critics and 81% from the audience. Let's talk about some reviews

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from both of these sides of things from the critics. We're going to start with Nathaniel

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Hood from the young folks of five out of 10. Nathaniel says, if you don't know me, you want me to

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John? Yeah. Uh huh. We don't care. Okay. I can't whistle. Yep. So I'm just going to go.

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Oh, talking about the

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talking Nathaniel.

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Oh my God.

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I'm having fun. I'm having fun. John.

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It's New Year's Eve. This is like we're not yet. Yeah. I know.

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We're at the precipice of New Year's before. Okay. Let's do reviews and then I'll ask my question.

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What's your quick? Nope. Let's do the review with you.

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No, let's do the reviews first. Nathaniel Hood says it's an autopsy of the greatest generations

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self mythology. I read that it's an autopsy of the greatest generations self mythology.

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So it's like a backhanded compliment, right? Because the performances are

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corpse like, right? It's like criticizing a historical sentiment towards the greatest

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generation. He's like taking the greatest generation a task, which is a pretty hot take.

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It's a pretty hot take. No, it's not. It's it's a it's a common take recently. Yeah.

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Yeah. The when he says that when you read that line, it kind of feels like he's he reads that

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line and then he's like, okay, guys, give me another drink. Like it's a very cocky thing to say.

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Paste print. Smell my farts. Clyde Gilmore from McClain's magazine. The British tackled a similar

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plot a bit earlier in the League of Gentlemen and made a better job of it. Ocean's Gang includes

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such clans stalwarts as Dean Martin Peter Loughard and Sammy Davis Jr. This one is doesn't really

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01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:10,440
have much to it, but it's I think it's of the time if I'm not mistaken. It seems a little personal

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attack from Jonathan Rosenbaum, a Chicago reader. Jonathan Rosenbaum's a good one known critic

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says it's terminally boring. I related to that first. I related to that. I read the

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reviews before I watched the movie and I was like, it's a little boring. Yeah. From Bosley

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Crowther from New York Times, two and a half out of five young people are likely to find this more

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appropriate and bewitching than do their elders. The latter are likely to feel less gleeful in

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the presence of heroes who rob and steal. I get a real feeling this is of the time.

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My porn star name as well. Yeah, this was August 11. This is written August August 11 1960 by

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Bosley Crowther, otherwise known as Brandini in Ocean's 7th heaven. Ocean seven minutes in heaven.

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Ocean seven minutes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. This is a review of the time. This Bosley says it's a

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surprisingly nonchalant flipping attitude toward crime and attitude toward mortal. It roadblocks

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a lot of valid gags is maintained throughout Ocean's 11 which arrived at the Capitol yesterday.

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Frank Sinatra, who was the power behind the picture, should have taken a couple of his merit

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badges taken away. The idea that is that a bunch of fellows Danny Ocean's breezy gang of wartime

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buddies and heroes are assembled to do a little job of robbing five major casinos in Las Vegas on

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New Year's Eve. That's all 10 cheerful chummy fellows and Mr. Ocean, a stalwart crew conspire

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with Akeem Tamaroff as their boss to pick up a bundle of dough and they do it too. That's the

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sad thing almost as easy as rolling off a log or rolling a sequence of naturals with loaded

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dice in the Hollywood film. These 11 guys knock out the power lines, hit the cashier's cages in

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one fell swoop and rake some $5 million in their convenient little black bags. They're so clever

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and humorous about it. And the casino people are such dopes. Well, why not? Wasn't the crime team

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schooled together in a lot of 82nd Airborne Division drops? That's the way it is. No dishonor, no

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moral misgivings, no sweat. Outside of the normal natural tension that occurs while the crime is

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being done. After the whole thing is over and a hijacker moves in to grab the swag, there is no

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built in implication that the boys have done something wrong. There is just an ironic, unexpected

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and decidedly ghoulish twist whereby they are deprived of their pickings and what seems they're

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just desserts. This is the flaw in the picture. This and the incidental fact that a wholesale

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holdup of Las Vegas would not so not be so easy as it is made to look for the substance is generally

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amusing indeed very funny in spots. The dialogue is cleverly written and the roles are definitely

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and colorfully played. Mr. Sinatra is crushingly casual. Mr. Tamaroff is a droll with vast spares

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and Dean Martin is twitchy with wisecracks as a nightclub performer who knows the world.

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Indeed all the fellows crack crackle blithely. Peter Loughard as a wealthy cyber right.

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Sammy Davis Jr. as a trash truck jockey and Richard Conte as a cynical ex con.

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Elka Chase and Angie Dickison and Patrick Patrice Wymore are equally cool as some of the girls.

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I think that's kind of just breaking down and then he kind of gets into the final line that I

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read near the beginning but this review is interesting kind of getting yeah Las Vegas

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looks flashy in color as naturally it would and there's plenty of atmospheric detail such as gambling

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tables girls in one arm bandits Lewis milestones direction suits the movement of Harry Browns and

1465
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Charles Lodero's script which is entirely centripetal focusing exclusively on Mr. Sinatra

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and his gang and yeah young people are all it's saying young people are likely to find this more

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appropriate and bewitching than the elders the latter are likely to so interesting to think about

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heroes who rob steal and there's and he's saying even in this time and how we're criticizing for

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the movie not giving the robbers their money and just having them walk away in the end happy

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this review is saying that even the mere fact that the main characters are robbing and stealing

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is already pretty crazy and probably just suited for younger people that are part of this new

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counterculture and older people are going to be already like put off walking in the door I'm like

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this this they're like this movie's about people who steal how are the how is there movies about

1474
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anti-heroes this is preposterous but okay are you guys ready to switch over to a few audience

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reviews and then we'll we'll wrap up here sounds good all right let's see from northwest outdoors

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person five stars titled delightful everything one might hope for from a wrap pack movie and more

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cloney has nothing on frank nothing on frank cloney has nothing on on frank that's aggressive

1478
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yeah well kind of frank's a not your fan it's a competition always has been from yendor

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titled 11 stars if possible for the wrap pack it's five stars is all they could do probably one of

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the best heist films of all time period oceans 11 has been scrutinized often on over the years and

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now that all the original wrap packers have passed away and with the steve soderberg and george cloney

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remake with sequels completed the film has been elevated to classic status when the film was shown

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on network and local television over the years before the advent of vhs and dvd the movie was

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padded with commercials and almost shown to two and a half and three hour lengths the movie suffered

1485
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in its pacing and tone when shown without the commercial interruptions on video pbs or cable

1486
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it fares way better even though there really is there is really a serious and understated tone to

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this wrap packer film the real treat here is just to see the guys who represented the swinging coolness

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of the late 50s early 60s of america before the advent of the counterculture late 60s the vietnam

1489
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war and the death of jvk jfk together on an adventure the story is straightforward and then

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technical jargon of the heist is easy to understand compared to its modern day remakes and the characters

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are all likable the twist ending is classic and that final stroll in the las vegas strip of all the

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characters after that cruel irony of an ending surmises that even though the guys lost the dough

1493
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they didn't lose their cool baby oh i love that hell yeah um that that feels good i think that was

1494
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a pretty that feels great pretty thorough i mean there's a lot of people that just saying it's a

1495
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classic and then it's a lot of like comparisons to uh the the remake of kind of just like yeah you

1496
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:32,040
don't you don't get it uh these uh cloney pit heads they just don't get it i could do one more from

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teeth air titled old vegas is gone now but this movie was great if you have seen oceans 11 with

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brad pit and cloney i think you will like this movie if nothing else to see how old vegas was and

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looked ran a fun look into the past i wouldn't be born for a quite a few years after this movie even

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came out and i can totally agree new vegas doesn't hold a candle to new vegas which is a shame i think

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which is a shame because it's lost something when big corpse took over and i would have loved to go

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01:36:00,440 --> 01:36:05,800
when vegas was vegas too bad the only thing about the movie that i didn't like too much was how they

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did the ending but it's still a great movie movie was shot for the most part in casinos which is

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very cool so to the performers but it's nice to visit yep yep okay yeah the people yeah a lot

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01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:29,080
of people just really just love the love the wrap pack i think it's yeah yeah it's fair

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01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:36,360
multi-generational favorite someone says my 18 year old daughter and 76 year old mother watch it

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together and love it uh it's uh reminds me of a gathering around and watching a bond movie in

1508
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some ways maybe maybe like an old and like an old school one and just having that feeling of the

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quality and and the time and like you were saying the nice leathery faces and the sun

1510
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:09,560
of men's faces uh just gives me that sort of feeling and and for me this yeah this movie

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for the audience i could see being a cozy comfort movie and having a visual window into the wrap

1512
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:24,360
pack even in a small way being together and being visually accessible and having a little bit of

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01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:31,160
songs must be nice and um the polarization i think comes with a lot of the stuff we've already

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criticized it about and i think the the critics are just kind of attacking the pacing and the whole

1515
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reason for this movie existing is something that i don't know i it's probably is a parent as long

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01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:51,800
as hollywood has been a thing if there's like big star if there's big stars i was kind of addressing

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01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:56,440
the polarization thing and then we can get into i can i can jump i want to give our guests the

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01:37:56,440 --> 01:38:04,360
opportunity but uh just kind of talking about like the polar polarization of it all and i think the

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what this movie is propped up on is big names and i think critics for as long as that's been

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01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:16,600
a reason for a movie exists do you take issue with that being the reason for it and then not

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01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:21,800
bringing enough substance and just being propped up through these these names and faces that'll

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01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:27,400
bring people in the door but then whether it delivers or not that's i think the dividing

1523
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:31,880
line because i don't think critics feel like it delivers on the promise because i think enough

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01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:36,840
people like the wrap pack including enough critics that if they did a good job with these this cast

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01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:41,800
because it has an excellent cast and and a good enough reason to be there as like a old classic

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01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:48,600
heist movie which many audience members think it is uh yeah i think it would be more successful

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01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:54,600
across the board that was my reading of it but i would like to hear your guys's uh reading as well

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01:38:54,600 --> 01:39:02,360
and uh final thoughts and uh numerical scores yeah i'm gonna give my polarization uh to bed on it

1529
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:07,400
for this segment um because yeah i think it's good that we should continue to yeah have this

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01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:15,160
polarization segment maybe in a different location but of the podcast but nonetheless like i understand

1531
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:19,880
we heard from both sides i feel like hearing it totally no i got okay now just like getting a

1532
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:26,360
little read on it yeah and then yeah jumping into final thoughts but either way the fact is is like

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any people that are positively reviewing this are understanding the legendariness of the rat pack

1534
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and just to see them in a movie together and then to the critics side of it arguably not enough uh

1535
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and arguably not well enough but the fact that this is a movie with the rat pack premiering in

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Las Vegas during the 60s when they were just crushing it like i can understand somebody who

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01:39:59,480 --> 01:40:03,960
it's fun to think about this concept what you know while i was doing this and while we were talking

1538
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:10,760
about it and all that of just thinking about somebody who is like 70 60 or 70 years old being

1539
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:20,200
like wanting to review a movie on rotten tomatoes and just um so i watched this on this uh like

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01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:25,960
free streaming app or whatever and there was only one and it has comments on it and there was only

1541
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:34,920
one comment on this movie and it was this was my dad's favorite movie i watched this as a kid i always

1542
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:44,040
knew the rat pack was such a big deal and this movie has so much of what the 60s are so much of

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01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:51,080
what my dad liked and for that it's a favorite of mine and so i can understand so much of the

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01:40:51,080 --> 01:41:01,080
audience scoring being people that weird like not weirdly very cool uh being like i want to get on

1545
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:08,200
this fun thing that is rotten tomatoes and talk and just make a comment and positively review a

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01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:14,920
movie that was such a pivotal part of my childhood or such a pivotal part of my dad's adulthood and

1547
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:22,600
i can understand why this is rated so highly because it is just the testament to the rat pack being

1548
01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:31,800
as important of the group of guys being rapscallians in like the idea of the rat pack as a person who

1549
01:41:32,440 --> 01:41:39,560
loves trends and who is obsessed with culture like the fact that this has an 81 audience score

1550
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:48,040
is like in my mind such a good and funny thing about culture where a thing like rotten tomatoes

1551
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:55,080
exists which is very like newish but something that was so fucking cool was the rat pack so that

1552
01:41:55,080 --> 01:42:01,000
kind of transcends the fact of like you know maybe you can imagine people who are older don't know

1553
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:06,600
what rotten tomatoes are or what the internet are but some of them get it and they're letting you know

1554
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:13,640
that universal coolness was the fucking rat pack not to my not only to myself but to my parents

1555
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:18,840
and i want to come on here and vote this positively because they were in a movie together and it

1556
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:26,440
really fucking mattered um and that's awesome and so i can understand though the critic side of it

1557
01:42:26,440 --> 01:42:32,840
where this movie is so boring and there's a lot of things artistically that are wrong about it

1558
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:39,560
that the generation deserves so much better and so that's yeah i get the polarization yeah well

1559
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:44,040
christian if you want to address any of that that we that we talked about and any of that

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01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:52,520
the dividing scores uh go for it otherwise just give your final facts and then a score from 0 to

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100 of a movie with 11 in the title so to Brandon's point i understand the polarization of the movie and

1562
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:14,280
thinking back to myself i do and i this is deep that i really do believe that

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01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:23,880
that a lot of people a lot of the audience rated this movie very high because of the rat pack and

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01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:29,720
how the rat pack was viewed and the rat pack was essentially like the group of like the coolest

1565
01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:36,680
guys in entertainment and that's how it was and i get it and they were and everything about them

1566
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:44,200
and after having two rusty nails at the beginning of this podcast and that in itself of a drink is a

1567
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:51,160
very badass drink it's a liquor on liquor drink that is and it's good can you imagine can you

1568
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:58,200
imagine doing two shows and then a movie after this i guess you've done one so far i could like five

1569
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:03,080
of them he's doing he did one very well like we're we're doing like a podcast is essentially what

1570
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:11,000
they're doing right we're essentially the the rat pack here we got it yeah yeah and like i understand

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01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:20,040
i understand and respect i understand and respect why they have such an high high audience score

1572
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:30,200
but i cannot as a movie critic wholeheartedly give them anything above like 70 percent yeah like

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01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:36,760
honestly right if i was if i was gonna rate the movie i would give it and taking into account

1574
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:46,280
the like high level of like rat pack and quality like the the actors and whatnot at that time

1575
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:54,040
i would give them a solid like 67 yeah 67 out of 100 yeah that would be my rate generous

1576
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:59,800
and it's funny one of the critics i don't i don't think you mentioned it but one of the critics

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01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:06,280
when i was reading the reviews on ron tomatoes one of the critics said they took an amazing idea

1578
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:16,280
and did like subpar with that idea in itself the idea is amazing and like with a remake you can

1579
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:23,960
kind of see how amazing they made the idea into a movie but yeah i would give us a 67 out of 100

1580
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:32,600
that is my rating respectfully fair uh i will continue on the review train and and say that

1581
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:43,240
this movie wasn't all bad and the frustrating part was having a lot to a lot of non important

1582
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:50,360
things in between the stuff that actually was fun and mattered and was enjoyable and for me the

1583
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:57,800
yeah the middle chunk of the of the meeting uh and the actual heist the ending and the beginning

1584
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:05,080
was was like fluffy fluffy um and maybe if they cut a little bit more the beginning maybe the

1585
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:12,040
fluffy fluffy and that's what i this one's talking about and you're saying was that it's

1586
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:19,000
you're saying yeah yeah fluffy fluffy that's what yeah oceans fluffy and maybe the last part

1587
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:24,040
would have been interesting to have that sort of epilogue of them of the duke santos getting back

1588
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:28,920
if the beginning wasn't so front loaded with bullshit that didn't really matter to me and

1589
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:33,560
seeing something do it so much better and the in the newer one and seeing so many other heist

1590
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:41,960
movies do things better it's it's tough to recontextualize this movie properly in the time that

1591
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:47,720
it came out and what it meant to the people seeing it at the time and at the time it would mean

1592
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:54,360
arguably more to the younger people uh to uh a critics eye so it's tough to really judge in that

1593
01:46:54,360 --> 01:47:04,200
sense but seeing i think having those questions in my mind of the making of this movie and being

1594
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:10,200
frustrated by not seeing enough of the main stars and the reason that you're walking in the door of

1595
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:15,480
the wrap pack spending enough time on screen watching the little documentary i'd recommend

1596
01:47:15,480 --> 01:47:20,200
if you can find it on youtube the oceans 11 story and they're really breaking it down of like

1597
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:28,600
they like he knowing frank sinatra would really only do one take fucking like drains the energy

1598
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:35,480
of this movie entirely and knowing that uh contextualizes that at least in a way that makes

1599
01:47:35,480 --> 01:47:42,600
it me understand this movie and my frustrations better uh rather than just like oh well maybe

1600
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:45,880
i'm wrong because i'm from a different time and you start to blame yourself a little bit because

1601
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:51,320
you're like oh this is a classic movie i should like it like what's wrong with me but then understanding

1602
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:58,920
how they made it was just through a flurry of alcohol and no sleep and cranky frank oh cranky

1603
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:05,880
frank one take cranky frank just won't just won't stay long enough and we didn't get you know enough

1604
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:13,560
of enough of the good stuff is is enough for me to not give it a positive score um and i yeah i'm

1605
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:24,600
not i'm not being gonna be in the fresh range i'm gonna give this one a 44 yeah naughty naughty

1606
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:29,400
it's a little bit of a naughty movie a little bit of stinky stinky and i feel and i feel bad

1607
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:37,160
like giving like yeah like a 19 move from 1960 a lot of great people uh but it just doesn't do a

1608
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:43,400
lot for me maybe it's a little harsh but i'm fine with it you're fine with it it's fine um

1609
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:57,560
um man cheers to everybody out there brandini from the bar with his final review

1610
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:01,960
happy new years

1611
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:06,840
to everyone um

1612
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:13,720
um so with this movie i think it is

1613
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:26,280
a great representation of the time period that it came out in for better or for worse

1614
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:34,360
i think there are so many choices in story and in visuals of this movie that are dated

1615
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:41,880
and no longer fun and interesting and i easily would argue boring there's a lot of this movie

1616
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:51,400
that i would have loved for it to be so much more energetic condensed straightforward

1617
01:49:52,040 --> 01:49:56,920
especially for what the plot ultimately is which is i think pretty straightforward

1618
01:49:56,920 --> 01:50:05,640
uh the fact that this movie drags uh is a bummer because at the end of the day the power of this

1619
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:15,320
film is the rat pack which is a group of guys that are cheers to all you all you people out there

1620
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:24,200
just drinkers fun loving drinker guys and i think that for better or for worse is something that

1621
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:30,840
okay maybe there are a lot of things about them as them as who they are are problematic

1622
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:40,280
but i think there is a i don't know just it is so indicative of its time it has things that

1623
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:46,360
continue to i think like their energy i think still holds like a there's still a little bit of

1624
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:56,440
that in the culture today because it is cool like they are cool and i love the fact that this movie

1625
01:50:56,440 --> 01:51:03,640
exists uh i think that for better for worse again the rat pack being cool and what they

1626
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:11,480
represent and who they were are interesting and even though this movie could have been more

1627
01:51:11,480 --> 01:51:19,480
interesting than it is i think this is such a great representation of its time and for that

1628
01:51:19,480 --> 01:51:25,480
i'm going to give this a score of the year that it came out i think this is a 60 percent baby hey

1629
01:51:25,480 --> 01:51:38,120
baby yes yeah yeah yeah oh he's a beat oh he's got his beat till his glasses on because he's from 1960

1630
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:47,000
well uh congratulations on another excellent episode from uh from 1960 um before we go i was

1631
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:54,120
wondering if you guys want to play a new game i came up with the answer is yes i think i want to

1632
01:51:54,120 --> 01:52:01,800
call it smoke or fire because it's loosely based on the card game of of the same title that that

1633
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:08,680
we sometimes play game gets you drunked up you don't have to drink but uh we can we can play

1634
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:11,640
nonetheless so i'm going to be going through christian do you have a drink

1635
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:20,040
okay well if you get a if you get an easy guy right now i know you have these allergies we talked

1636
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:23,720
about it it's okay though these are my allergies yeah we'll just do if you get it wrong then you

1637
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:29,320
take a drink or anything none of the given giving drinks or anything uh bless you god bless you and

1638
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:36,600
uh and to all of you uh Merry Christmas and uh let's go through a game with smoker smoker fire

1639
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:41,240
and i think it'll be pretty self-explanatory as we roll through it it'll be through the oceans

1640
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:47,800
movies so i'm gonna start with christian and i'm just gonna ask you god bless you bless you for the

1641
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:53,960
critics rating of oceans 11 do you think it's smoker fire do you think it's fresh or rotten

1642
01:52:53,960 --> 01:53:00,280
i think it's fresh i think it's fresh okay so i'm gonna give you i think they're a point because

1643
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:06,440
you're right and so now brandon i'm gonna ask you for oceans 11 the audience score do you think it's

1644
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:11,560
so christian has to give a drink or if you want to do the giving i was just gonna say you get it

1645
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:18,440
wrong christian has to give a drink i'm giving a drink to somebody yeah hosts included you can pick

1646
01:53:18,440 --> 01:53:24,200
me as well okay but then i can't drink for anybody anything so whatever okay whatever all right uh

1647
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:34,040
so brandon for oceans 11 is the audience score fresh or rotten smoker fire oceans 11 the cloney

1648
01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:41,720
yeah the clans 2001 is the audience score fresh or rotten for oceans 11 for the audience score

1649
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:59,800
fresh you are correct christian take take a drink okay now i want you to guess brand uh no i will go

1650
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:09,000
no i'm trying to think okay we'll go to sure christian i want you to guess the score of the critic

1651
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:19,320
rating for four oceans level 48 the cloney one we're talking about for the cloney over the cloney

1652
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:28,360
cloney one i want you to guess the critic rating the 60 65 65 you are wrong okay but

1653
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:35,080
that's okay and i go i i don't yeah that's okay because you're not gonna you're not gonna guess

1654
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:40,440
that right but you're not gonna you're not gonna have to drink anything makes it so intense but

1655
01:54:40,440 --> 01:54:46,760
it's fine for brandon now i want you to guess is the real score a higher or lower than christian

1656
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:53,960
score that he gets right now okay it's higher so you are correct yes and then so you did a point

1657
01:54:53,960 --> 01:55:00,120
two drinks now he's just trying to get drinks going here i don't know i'm this is you only have

1658
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:05,880
to do this if you want i'm just trying to have fun here okay so same question to you brandon i

1659
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:12,760
want you to guess the audience score the numerical value of the audience score it's uh for the new

1660
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:21,000
okay for oceans 11 76 76 you were wrong it's almost impossible to get so no worries about drinks

1661
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:27,560
but christian i want you to guess okay i'm gonna take a drink is it higher or lower than 76 and if

1662
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:32,760
you get it right then i guess i'm just gonna give you a point i got my little point thing i'm not

1663
01:55:32,760 --> 01:55:42,120
doing drinks but is it higher is a higher or lower than 76 i think it's uh it's higher yeah that's

1664
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:48,920
correct it's an 80 okay i'll take a drink so you got two points to brandon's one and in my count here

1665
01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:55,480
if my if my tabulations are correct and this i'm playing a little fast and loose with this game so

1666
01:55:55,480 --> 01:56:01,480
i hope everyone sticks with us and we'll do our best here so now we're gonna move on to oceans 12

1667
01:56:02,200 --> 01:56:06,440
christian i don't do i don't actually we'll switch to brandon for the critic because brandon got

1668
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:15,400
audience good now you're gonna now you're gonna do a critic score brandon okay is it fresh or rotten

1669
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:24,600
for oceans 12 for oceans 12 is the credit rating fresh you're rotten you are wrong you do not get a

1670
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:35,560
point it is not fresh okay it's not so christian how the audience score this is an i'm trying to

1671
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:40,680
figure out the order the audience score for this it is is it fresh or rotten this is the smoker

1672
01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:46,200
fire section so is it fresh for the audience for oceans 12 is the audience score fresh or rotten

1673
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:54,680
run it they made an oceans 13 so i'm gonna though i did not personally like oceans 12 i'm gonna say

1674
01:56:54,680 --> 01:57:01,640
it's fresh you are correct the audience score is fresh so you will get a point i'll have to drink

1675
01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:06,840
great which i did you can give the host a drink i'm just gonna take one for a

1676
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:13,720
posterity steak for solidarity with brandon all right so now we're moving on to guessing the

1677
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:18,280
numerical value and then doing the higher or lower situation i think this is a pretty good

1678
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:22,920
pretty good way to do it so brandon you're on the critic side you know it's not fresh

1679
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:30,840
it is rotten what is the score would you say 46 46 it is not 46 that's okay that's a really

1680
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:34,200
tough one if you were to do it that'd be a two-pointer let's say that's a two-pointer

1681
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:40,120
if you get a right arm two or three i don't know it's gonna be extra points you guess 46 it is not

1682
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:47,560
46 christian is it higher or lower than 46 higher higher it is higher you get a point

1683
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:54,520
all right christian what is the audience score for oceans 12 you know it is fresh

1684
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:07,000
what is it 81 81 it is not 81 that's okay brandon do you think it's higher or lower than 81

1685
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:14,120
slower that is correct you get a point so by my tabulation i'm trying to remember if i'd

1686
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:19,320
miss a point in the first round i don't think i did but it's four to two christian in the lead

1687
01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:24,680
we're gonna keep on chugging along here if you guys are having a good time yeah go through all of them

1688
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:29,640
i'm having a great time i'm having a good time all right so we're going back to christian starting

1689
01:58:29,640 --> 01:58:40,760
with the critics for oceans 13 it is it is the third oceans movie not the 13th it is a fresh or

1690
01:58:40,760 --> 01:58:48,920
a rotten movie christian by the critic side according to the critics rotten rotten that is

1691
01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:56,760
incorrect it is fresh you're the critics drink drink it brandini for the audience is it fresh

1692
01:58:56,760 --> 01:59:06,120
or rotten fresh baby you are correct you get a point drink drink christian drink you get a point

1693
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:10,840
all right and then james breaks too okay i'm like i get two i get two that you get two we're going

1694
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:20,120
down the line dirty i get two dirty i get two you when you get out uh so we're back to critic side

1695
01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:29,160
christian guess the score you know that it is not run you know that would you say 66

1696
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:38,440
that is wrong that's okay brandon higher or lower than 66 higher you are correct you get a point

1697
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:47,560
i should drink all right i realized that i don't actually tell you the score at the end of all this

1698
01:59:47,560 --> 01:59:52,200
all this questioning i got to find a way to do that i feel like for the last one this is a work

1699
01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:56,920
this is a work this is a work in progress all right so now we're moving on to audience and

1700
01:59:56,920 --> 02:00:06,840
that's brand brandon guess the score of the audience for oceans 13 it is 58 58 percent that's

1701
02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:15,080
wrong is it higher or lower christian higher higher that is correct you get a point i drink two

1702
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:21,720
no i drink one and then james trains one okay okay uh and then i guess since we're moving on to the

1703
02:00:21,720 --> 02:00:29,480
next movie i'll tell you oceans 13 is standing at a 70% critics 75 audience wow we weren't close

1704
02:00:29,480 --> 02:00:36,840
we'll go backwards to oceans 12 which was a 55% critics 60% audience yeah oceans 11 which is an

1705
02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:45,960
83% critics 80% audience just to give you a little bit of an idea of the the context around this

1706
02:00:45,960 --> 02:00:51,160
franchise of movies and now we're going to move on to the last one we're currently standing at a five

1707
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:59,640
to four christian lead it's a tight race wow and if this ties at the end i'm gonna have to find a

1708
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:05,800
way to get a tiebreaker going because this is getting pretty ocean sea but it's not tie i mean i'm

1709
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:10,440
doing ocean we are currently about to do oceans eight but god damn if we tie after after all of

1710
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:15,640
this then i don't know well there's yeah okay we'll see what happens all right brandon you're

1711
02:01:15,640 --> 02:01:22,840
gonna do the critic side is it rotten or fresh for oceans eight rotten for the critics you say you are

1712
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:29,320
wrong so all right christian does not get to point no points for that so yeah that's if you only if

1713
02:01:29,320 --> 02:01:38,280
you get a right you get a point so christian audience score is it rotten or fresh wait is what

1714
02:01:38,280 --> 02:01:46,200
right for oceans eight the audience scored is it rotten or fresh rotten that is correct you get a

1715
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:57,320
point oh i have to drink i'll take a drink as well all right now brandon this is a big big

1716
02:01:57,320 --> 02:02:02,040
moment for you because if you get the exact score i will give you two points i'm gonna get it you

1717
02:02:02,040 --> 02:02:05,640
know i'm gonna get it or should it be three i don't know yeah we'll do two or maybe

1718
02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:17,000
can you guess the critic score for oceans eight which is not rotten i'll give you that hint because

1719
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:25,400
you already guessed 78 78 percent that's incorrect christian is the score higher or lower than 78

1720
02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:32,280
percent lower that is correct damn it okay i'm taking a drink and then james you have to take

1721
02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:41,960
one too oh shit okay now i it's it's a lost cause but let's finish it out christian audience score

1722
02:02:41,960 --> 02:02:57,240
what do we got for oceans eight 79 i should have warned you that we already established

1723
02:02:57,240 --> 02:03:01,880
earlier i should remind you of the hint that it is pew pew rotten by the audience which is

1724
02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:11,880
okay okay okay ignore that 59 59 that is incorrect brandon higher or lower than 59 lower i have a

1725
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:19,400
correct and oceans eight stands a 68 percent by the critics and a 47 by the audience it is

1726
02:03:19,400 --> 02:03:25,400
classified as a polarizing movie if we ever choose to do oceans eight uh that could be one

1727
02:03:25,400 --> 02:03:31,880
straight to christian an arc christian just won yeah well not that one

1728
02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:40,520
that was a game of rotten tomato smoker fire rotten or fresh this has been an episode

1729
02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:49,640
of polarized the pod oceans 11 1960 frank sanatra dean martin brandini the james and

1730
02:03:50,840 --> 02:04:00,200
our lovely lovely guest christian urbina back at it once again for uh the long haul away from the bar

1731
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:07,880
this was a the bar this was a full episode i hope you guys have enjoyed our back and forth uh on

1732
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:15,800
this year podcast because we've enjoyed our time here i know i sure have i always do and uh i'm never

1733
02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:21,080
bored hanging out here with with you fine people and uh yeah christian if there's is there anything

1734
02:04:21,080 --> 02:04:27,640
else you want to share before you wrap up uh no thank you for having me as a unicorn horn do you

1735
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:34,280
have a new year's resolution at all my my new so i mean my wife is eight months pregnant

1736
02:04:34,280 --> 02:04:43,320
uh my my new year's resolution is to be a good dad no i love that fuck yeah dude

1737
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:50,840
james do you have a new year's resolution uh i want to spend a lot of time working on my home

1738
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:56,760
and getting it to a place where i'm uh i have a nice sanctuary i want i want to have a nice

1739
02:04:56,760 --> 02:05:01,480
sanctuary that i'm proud of and and put some work into that that has been lacking that i want to

1740
02:05:01,480 --> 02:05:10,760
uh do a turnaround there oh yeah in my life the uh hunchback of notredom yes

1741
02:05:13,240 --> 02:05:20,280
do you watch that movie i was like it is me sanctuary the heart of noto james

1742
02:05:22,600 --> 02:05:26,920
i feel like it's more land before time than it is like hunchback of notredom

1743
02:05:26,920 --> 02:05:34,200
yeah my new year's resolution so i i i'm about to come up on my last one which is no taco bell

1744
02:05:34,200 --> 02:05:41,240
for the year yeah so we gotta have a taco ball party in january and so this new year's uh resolution

1745
02:05:41,240 --> 02:05:51,640
is zero uber eats delivery food nice dude oh yeah whole year wow whole year not doing any delivery

1746
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:57,800
food you got it well what are you gonna do with the extra seven thousand dollars you're gonna have

1747
02:06:00,200 --> 02:06:05,560
i'm rolling in it you're gonna buy an island and like senpi gua

1748
02:06:07,560 --> 02:06:09,240
litoka from infindy pool

1749
02:06:12,200 --> 02:06:18,120
well we're gonna take james out to some uh brazilian barbecue and before as james is gonna

1750
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:23,160
tell you to follow us on stuff but uh one thing to be said is coming into the new year we're gonna

1751
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:28,440
shut down the twitter that shit sucks that shit's bullshit we're gonna go on threads even though it's

1752
02:06:28,440 --> 02:06:36,120
acts still fucking bullshit acts yeah acts boo uh we're gonna cut that shit out uh i'm gonna try to

1753
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:42,360
start record another kind of thing for the new year is record these episodes on twitch or at

1754
02:06:42,360 --> 02:06:47,400
least get them from from james and start putting them on tiktok so probably in the next like month

1755
02:06:47,400 --> 02:06:54,520
or two into the new year uh we'll have a tiktok account and uh don't follow us on x follow us

1756
02:06:54,520 --> 02:07:00,280
instead on threads and then tiktok to come yeah and speaking of which i've been throwing recordings

1757
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:06,520
on youtube and maybe we can post more stuff on there if uh if people are into it um so we have

1758
02:07:06,520 --> 02:07:12,840
the youtube channel polarize pod uh as well as yeah we were streaming live on twitch.tv slash

1759
02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:19,240
polarize pod and you know you can catch the in between stuff which is us uh shooting the shit

1760
02:07:19,240 --> 02:07:24,920
and maybe some of us hanging out beforehand uh with some behind the scenes stuff i was you know

1761
02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:29,960
like watching like the oceans 11 video or something like that uh the behind the scenes of that and

1762
02:07:29,960 --> 02:07:37,320
getting an opportunity to uh even voice your opinions that'll be featured in the app uh

1763
02:07:37,320 --> 02:07:43,640
polarize the pod at gmail.com as well uh we have another podcast if you ever want to check it out

1764
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called prod pod about music producers uh maybe we'll record some more of that uh coming up one day and

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let us know if you like it yeah it's uh we got a few episodes out there very gordian motown we got

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Todd round in grand episode dip low and uh it's uh fun fun times uh talking about music and when

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we have the time we try to bring that stuff in here there's been just too much to talk about when

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you have good people like our our lovely guest christian and it's always fun to shoot the shit about

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movies good and bad and anything in between and that's what polarize is all about baby and

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from the bar it's brandini and the rat christian the james and the forever gust and it's been a

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true honor and we'll see you next time bye bye

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hey