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Welcome everybody to the Polarize podcast.

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This is that podcast about polarizing movies.

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I am your host, Brandon Stables.

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This podcast is about polarizing movies in the sense of rotten tomato scores.

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Today, we're talking about infinity pool.

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This is a movie that has a certified fresh critic score of 87% and an audience score

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of a Poopy Doopie Snoopy 52%.

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Again, podcast about polarizing movies.

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Sometimes critics love it.

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This is hated.

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That's the case for this.

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But we also do vice versa.

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That's the premise here.

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Before I get into it, I would like to introduce my co-host, also referred to as the forever

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guest, Mr. James Lindsay.

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How's it going?

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Yes.

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Hello.

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I'm back.

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I'm infinitely the infinite guest, if you will.

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Let's add that to the repertoire.

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Infinity guest.

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The infinity guest.

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Yes.

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I love that.

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Always here, ever, ever present.

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You know, and it might not be this, and it might not be the same original true form of

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the James as I sometimes refer to myself.

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He does.

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Yeah.

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Might be a copy.

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It might be a James, perhaps not the James, but it might be a James.

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I mean, you're just speaking of copies.

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I am a James.

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There's also a James in this movie.

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Yeah.

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There is.

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Yeah, you're just really flying in the face of the recommendation from Justin Timberlake

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in the social network.

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Instead of dropping the.

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Oh, no.

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Keeping it.

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Add it.

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You know what?

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Fuck, JT.

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Add the.

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Yeah.

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The budget.

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You know what's cool?

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Ava.

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That's what's cool.

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A billion does.

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Oh, my God.

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That you're so right.

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It's like the more does you have the more profitable your company will be.

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Yeah, that's my company is called one billion.

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Those.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I'm still figuring out what we're going to do, but that's what we're calling it.

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You know what?

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And the name represents that too.

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I mean, yeah, I don't know what that company does.

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You not knowing what it does makes sense.

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So you know what?

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That works out.

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It's a fitting name.

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Yes.

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And you are the you are the Brandon, the the polarized, the polarized, polarized, polarized

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kingdom, king, king of polarized kingdom.

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Also known as the great brandini brandonius brandonius maximus.

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Yep.

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That bar down.

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What else?

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There's another one.

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Be stable.

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Landon Jables.

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Landon Jables, of course, saved the best for last.

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Before we get into this movie, let's do I just want to check in before we talk about

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this movie that we've watched.

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I want to know what other movies you're watching.

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What are we watching over here?

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What are you watching over there?

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What are you watching over there?

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You what are you watching?

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Can I watch it too?

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That's what I say to people on the street.

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Come on in.

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Hey, you, what are you watching?

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Can I watch it too?

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Oh, and then I figure out if my streaming service has whatever that they they mentioned

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or they just run away in fright because a man is approaching them asking for streaming

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suggestions.

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Excuse me, miss.

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Can you give me a suggestion?

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A suggestion?

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What are you watching?

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What are you watching?

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What are you watching?

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It's a survey.

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I'm taking a survey.

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I finally finished Hunter Hunter.

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I finally did it.

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It's like 150 episodes or so anime that I sat sat in and it's it was there's plenty

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of times it was like background stuff.

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Portions where I was a little like, should I continue on with this or should I, you know,

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and then they would finish really strong certain portions of it.

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And I felt like it had a very strong ending and it was very epic leading up to that point

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as well.

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But I'm surprised I did it.

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And now I'm trying to catch up on some other anime that's been done by the wayside because

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We got never I know I never caught up with the demon slayer.

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And now that I'm going to once I finish that I'm going to do jujitsu guys in all all good

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stuff.

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But yeah, and then we've talked about the Finch Finch man and been watching his stuff

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like a gone girl, which even watching that in close proximity to this movie was something

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that I even found occasional similarities, you know, at least.

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Oh, interesting.

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And just the rich father that and he's trying to be a writer and all that stuff like that

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was something.

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You're right.

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Interesting and him being like all spiteful towards her about the money and all this stuff.

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Yeah, it's that was that was the main similar beyond that not much.

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But yeah, that's an interesting comparison because like relationship dynamic a little

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bit.

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You know, a big part of both of those movies is.

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Obsensively white privilege and how really kind of shitty people navigate that and take

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advantage of it.

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And I wouldn't have made that connection until you brought that up.

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But yeah, I could definitely see see the similarities in both of those.

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I love gone girl.

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I think it is really almost a perfect movie, especially because it is so that and zodiac

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or so and also girl with the dragon tattoo.

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I just I love a thriller.

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I you know, and I can also really get down on true crime and both of those are all three

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of those operate in that true, crimey space that is really quite enjoyable to watch people

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walk you through, you know, how things happen and how people are trying to solve a problem.

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And it's just, yeah, we've talked about movies.

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Just chug along at such a nice, nice pace and being sick recently and having that to

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kind of watch that was that was really nice.

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And I did Kong skull Island recently too, because I'm a recently watching God's of the

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King of monsters.

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I was like, I'll do another one of these monster movies.

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I know that show is coming out soon.

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I might I might check it out.

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But yeah, Kong skull Island.

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Very, very fun movie.

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It's my favorite of the bunch for sure.

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I think by like far and away because I can't remember what score we gave King of monsters.

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I know we were pretty middling on it.

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70s or something.

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Because I mean, it wasn't a terrible movie.

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But yeah, I just remember being like, you know, some parts I liked there was fair amount

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of boring stuff, maybe I want to say.

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But yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, there's just it's the Vera Farmiga twist that was

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that after watching the second time, it's really going to stick with me now.

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I'm like, oh, that was really not handled the best.

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It was pretty hokey.

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But you know, you expect some hokey stuff and that it's just it's uneven in some of

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the other ones in Kong skull Island.

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It's all like, I don't know, they've they handle the camp well, because it's incredibly

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well silly and fun.

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And they don't they don't take themselves too seriously, but they're also playing it

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very straight, which is nice.

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All the characters playing it very straight, including like Samuel Jackson is kind of like

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a villain in a way.

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And they're all yeah, and it's a period piece.

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I love that part of it.

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And the humor from John C. Riley, I think is handled well as well.

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And I think the humor is very difficult to to do in movies like that, too.

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But I remember Godzilla vs. Kong being pretty fun for like the battles.

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But I don't know, Kong skull Island feels so far removed as well.

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It's like the prequel.

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And so it's, I don't know, it's maybe setting up a little bit, but it's also kind of a closed

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Like with all those characters and like one sort of way where they could just close the

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loop and in a way where they can introduce and take characters away very like no one's

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safe.

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I love that.

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No one's safe.

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There is a lot of people that just get taken out in that in Kong skull Island.

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And that makes it the threat more real and interesting.

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I mean, I totally agree with you in its strengths that you mentioned, especially in comparison

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to the other Godzilla, King Kong movies is the stuff on the ground in the one that we

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watched and the other ones is really gets so bogged down and like this like corporation

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being in the background and controlling that ends up being really uninteresting or just

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overall not handled very well because it just is one of those, you know, shadow organizations

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that's always been around that now is just such a consistent trope in these big budget

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movies because it's typically used as the connective tissue to create a universe which

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so many movies feel compelled to do because of Marvel, the Marvel effect of things.

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And that is just I could not be more over that.

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That's right.

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By and large.

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And so yeah, all of that stuff doesn't really work for me.

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But no, I agree with you that the humor, the John C. Reilly stuff is fantastic.

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And also Tom Hiddleston.

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What is it?

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Brie Larson.

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Great.

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Great action stars.

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I think I could be wrong, but I think what's happening in the new show is that it takes

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place at there's different time periods at points and I could be wrong.

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But I think the young Russell boy is playing like an earlier version of Kurt Russell and

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Kurt Russell is playing like modern day Kurt Russell, but it sounds like playing him as

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a young man.

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That's a that's a cool move.

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I like that.

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And there's going to be they'd be like no de-aging and stuff.

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Get Dennis that Dennis Quaid and Jack Quaid doing some stuff together.

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Oh my God.

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I mean, that is cool.

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But my understanding, too, of the show is that it's all the stuff that you're just

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saying.

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Yeah, it's exactly all honing in on on that bullshit.

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But just love seeing Kurt Russell.

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He's he's he's a man.

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He's the fucking shit.

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And it sounds a great actor, too.

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Wyatt, right?

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Is his name?

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I think so.

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Yeah, I like it.

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Yeah, I like him in stuff, too.

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What else are you watching, Brandon?

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What am I watching?

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So there's a couple of things that I've seen recently that I would love to just briefly

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talk about.

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One of them is the creator.

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It is a movie sci-fi movie that is made by the guy who did Rogue One, which you have

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just recently mentioned.

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It stars another son of a famous actor again.

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Really hitting all of the same spots.

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But yeah, the creator watched that and it's mid.

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It's mid.

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But there is enough there that is enjoyable for me to recommend it.

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I would put it like if we were to have done this and maybe we will.

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I can't remember.

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I feel like it's probably might be polarizing because it's got a lot of like.

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How do I describe this?

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It's got a lot of like race and class stuff in it that I think keyboard warriors would

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just go after it for all the wrong reason.

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No, it's not polarizing.

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Oh, and audiences like it by and large.

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Oh, that's interesting.

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But yeah, it has a lot of similarities in a lot of different ways to Elysium.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, it's.

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If you like Elysium, you'll definitely like the creator.

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And yeah, like if I would recommend it, it's one thing I just want to talk about briefly

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with you about this movie is going into it.

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There was so much.

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Written in the trades about this movie in regards to its.

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The cost of the movie and what it is.

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This is a medium budget.

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40 million or what it's not 40 million.

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It's like a medium budget movie.

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I'll pull it up while I'm talking about it, but a epic sci-fi epic that is.

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That doesn't cost.

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I don't know.

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200 million dollars to make, which is nice because that flies in the face of all of the

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major epics and CGI heavy, if you will, like sci-fi movies that do get put out, which end

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up being by and large Marvel movies or Star Wars movies.

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And all of those movies are like insanely expensive.

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So it kind of, you know.

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This movie proves the point that you the movie doesn't need to cost necessarily a Disney

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level budget in order to visually be a have spaceships, have lasers, have, you know,

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all of that stuff.

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And then also a lot of robots and shit like that.

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And that creates a lot of world building.

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I mean, it really does create a lot of new IP, if you will, that is exciting.

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And so so much of this movie was taught, you know, it was like, Oh, it's so great that

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Garth Edwards was able to create a brand new IP sci-fi at this budget.

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And there is something wonderful to be 80 million dollars so much.

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Which I've talked about, and I'm sure you would agree is we would as movie fans, by

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and large, if you really love movies, you want to see more movies get made and it not

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just be like our income inequality situation in the world where there's only, you know,

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200 million dollar movies that are at the level of sci-fi spaceships, or else you have

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to be like really relatively small.

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And it's like almost an indie movie that would just focus on like, you know, the relationship

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of like be very small and at scale, right?

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Because the scale of the creator is quite large.

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There's, you know, a lot of going to a lot of different places, a lot of like cities

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that are just look cool, a lot of spaceships, a lot of different types of like robots and

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clothing and weapons and all of that stuff.

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And yeah, so.

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It also reminds me of, yeah, I mentioned it maybe last week or week before this show

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on Apple TV called Silo that, you know, is maybe kind of claustrophobic in the way because

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you are in the Silo for the entire run of the season.

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But it's a sci-fi concept and it's like this world that you don't understand and the characters

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in it are trying to figure out what's going on as well, like at the very root of what's

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up with, really like what's up with this Silo?

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What's going on here?

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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And, but the ideas that are being presented are interesting and the characterization between

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everybody is strong enough that it builds out those ideas and in the world that makes

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you curious as well.

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And sometimes it doesn't work completely, but like we watch no one will save you that

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one and sometimes it doesn't work completely for everybody.

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And that's why we're here doing this podcast, but having that ability to try and fail is

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also kind of nice too because no one will save you.

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You took some big swings with how they wanted to do that movie.

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And I, you know, and we gave that, you know, props for attempting to do some of that stuff,

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but overall it didn't completely work on us, but rather have that rather than, you know,

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going through the same well over and over again and even something like Zach Snyder's

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new like trilogy Star Wars like, sci-fi, you know, space opera trilogy that he's doing.

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Not sure how that's going to work and I'm not fully sure what budget that is, but you

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know, I'll check it out and see what's up.

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I mean, that's, that's a name that doesn't really fit, you know, like I, like I can do

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whatever he wants, it seems like with whatever kind of budget and people keep letting them,

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letting them do it.

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And he's doing it for Netflix at this point.

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But another, another example, I mean, is the movie that we're about to talk about today

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is just there's a lot of big fucking original ideas that are presented in this movie that

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are not done with CG.

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I'm like a lot of money, it seems like it's done really well and the sets themselves,

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I'm sure don't cost nothing and I'm sure take a lot of time to set up and come such conceptualize

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and all that good stuff and great performers and everything, but that I it's all rooted

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in these fantastic original ideas that are worth seeing it play out in a way in a story.

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And that's why sci-fi is, you know, one of my favorite genres for sure.

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This one fits in multiple genres arguably, but the creator seems like it's a straight

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sci-fi thing and that's definitely what I'm going to, I've been meaning to check out and

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I just like to keep up with whatever, yeah, big, you know, fun sci-fi space adventure

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sort of movies.

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I'm down to give it a shot.

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So yeah, I'll take a look at it.

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Yeah, please do.

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Because again, I would recommend it, especially the case you just made for being a big sci-fi

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fan because yeah, I don't know to be it doesn't gross you in a world that it has made up and

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gives you a lot of information about that world that you can sink your teeth into and

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get excited about like all the possibilities that that world has to offer.

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Yeah, just the problem with it is the core story of it is just a little thin and lacking,

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but not to say that the performances are necessarily bad.

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So hopefully check it out.

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Elysium or whatever.

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That's kind of how I felt about that one.

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But I mean, yeah, it was worth checking out.

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And you know, that was when Blomkamp was still hot shit.

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I'm not sure what he's doing now, but Gareth Edwards, I like the look of Rogue One a lot

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and as a director, he seems like he's got a good eye.

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And I agree.

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Check it out.

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Yeah.

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I mean, he has so much potential and I'm excited about the things that Gareth Edwards

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does, maybe just not be so involved in the screenplay is would be my suggestion.

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Maybe find, you know, a screenwriter or find a screenplay that is a sci-fi ask or whatever.

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Because yeah, I mean, he has the potential to be a beloved sci-fi director, like a villain

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who if he just continues to, you know, be able to make projects like this, hopefully

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because of its lackluster box office success, he doesn't get to like to in jail and as a

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given another opportunity.

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Because yeah, I mean, visually, it's quite a stunning movie.

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So yeah, everybody should go check out the creator.

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But yeah, speaking of sci-fi, God, this movie checks off a lot of of my like you just said,

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a lot of my favorite genres.

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We got sci-fi, we got thriller and now horrors.

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I'm becoming such a horror dude.

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Yeah, which one going into it?

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Like before before you go on to it, what did you think it was going to be an after?

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What did you think it mostly was?

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So going into it, I thought it was going to be a horror movie and then coming out of it,

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it was more of a thriller.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm like surreal.

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Yeah.

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Thriller, I have thriller drama.

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The sci-fi element obviously is like, and before we really get into it, I want to do

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my due diligence of explaining what the synopsis is, a quick synopsis for anybody who hasn't

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seen it.

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But yeah, I would say horror going into it and then.

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Yeah, definitely like going into it with knowing the least about it, I'd say possible.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's almost like we should put a spoiler warning.

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You're listening to the episode, I would assume that, you know, by this point that we're going

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to talk about the movie.

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But if you haven't seen it, yeah, already going to say, yeah, just go check it out.

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It's, uh, yeah, don't want to spoil completely our feelings about it, but I'd say it's best

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to go unblind.

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So I put it, I completely agree because I had, I knew nothing about this movie and I loved

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how the trailer was pretty good about it by and large.

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Pretty good about it.

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Yeah.

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And I remember seeing that trailer, but also kind of a lot of that stuff in the latter half

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of the trailer went over my head.

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It still does the trailer thing where it, it does let you in on a little bit of what's

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happening, but there's so much going on and being thrown at you in the trailer that you're

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like, oh, whatever.

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And then all I remember is that they just get in a car accident on a vacation.

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Is all that from the trailer and then it just, wow, that's only the beginning, only the

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beginning, only the beginning.

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Okay.

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So the plot of this movie, this nonsense is while staying at an isolated island resort,

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James played by Alexander Skarsgard and M played by Cleopatra.

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The infinite guest are enjoying a perfect vacation of pristine beaches, exceptional staff and

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soaking up the sun, but guided by the seductive and mysterious Gabby played by Mia goth.

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They venture outside the resort grounds and find themselves in a culture filled with violence,

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hedonism and untold horror.

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A tragic accident leaves them facing a zero tolerance policy for crime.

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Either you'll be executed or if you're rich enough to afford it, you can watch yourself

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die instead.

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Infinity.

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Yeah, even that is just like, it doesn't, doesn't give you the whole story there either,

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but it does, does hint at it and I love how it, the flower unfurls of this movie's plot.

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I already saying just right now, like the, and I'm not sure if I could compare like if

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the first half is better than the second half or anything because it just escalates continuously

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throughout in such a way that I find a natural form of like writing a screenplay as having

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it escalate and have these characters, you know, get into issues and then, but then also

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have this, our main character and some of my favorite movies, I don't know why, but

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is just fucking people just falling apart.

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Uh huh, sure.

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And unraveling or just some of my favorite movies to watch sometimes like in Leonardo

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DiCaprio does it, you know, some of the, some of the best movies he's done.

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Yeah, like, and yeah, like Wolf of Wall Street or Revenant or there's just, there's so many.

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I mean, catch me if you can.

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There's in some sense, you know, there's a whole list, I'm sure.

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And I'd love to make a list of my favorites of his, but just watching someone go down

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this path or like Nightcrawler or something.

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Wow, yeah, yeah.

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Some Jillian Hall, but Cheddar Island is a great pick.

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And this movie, him peering into this deep dark side and gradually giving in and being

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tantalized, but then, and then by the time he wants to get out, it being too late is,

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is horrific in its own way, but the way the movie plods along, I think is more apt to

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call it a thriller.

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Yeah.

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More so than anything.

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Yeah, I would say so too.

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There's a lot of these surreal elements that I love though too.

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Oh my God.

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Yeah.

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But no, I totally agree with that.

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There is always this, you know, kind of lingering uncertainty about the information you're given,

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where the main character is like sitting kind of psychologically, like where they're at.

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And there's just so much like breaking that person transformation.

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And then all of it is being orchestrated by like bad actors, essentially, and people that

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have their own agenda, which just is such a thriller, you know, vibe to me where, you

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know, when I think of thrillers, I think of oftentimes like somebody who is like this,

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like almost beat by beat is like a normal person thrust into a crazy situation where

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they have to figure out how to get themselves out of, you know, that being, yeah, the basis,

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my definition of a thriller and then is this movie, but it is so much more stylized.

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And one thing that I love about this movie is that it, it hints at things in a really

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great way where you can think that you can think other stuff might be happening or exist

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in the world.

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But the movie doesn't care about that because it's so focused on just this story.

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So it will like things will exist or people will say stuff or things will happen.

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And for a second, you'll be like, Oh, I wonder what that means.

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But then the movie is so steadfast and getting through its plot.

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It just sucks you back in.

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Like, don't think too much about this.

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Get back on track here.

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And the movie is such a great taskmaster because it just is pumping along.

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Yeah.

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I mean, one of my bad shit ideas that they're able to just move through and and naturally

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take one thing up a notch each time with with their ideas and also just the natural progression

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of the characters and to have it be him such a singular, like first person narrative almost

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of his journey through through through all of this is a tough thing to push along because

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you are relying a lot on the performance of the actor who doesn't say a lot with words,

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but through his body language and looks on his faces and it is a good symphony of all

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those things working really well together.

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Absolutely.

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It's so interesting to that great description you've given and how similar or how that could

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be applied to other Cronenberg movies, even though this is his son and just a big crony

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crony.

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Okay.

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Can we just say how like bold and interesting it is?

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Your dad is a incredibly famous director who just came out with a great idea.

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Not with an amazing movie recently.

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Like I mean, many, many great movies.

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And sure, like the pop, like the general movie going population might not know David Cronenberg

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by name, but anybody who has a monocle of interest in film knows exactly who that guy

488
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,480
is and what his movies are like and how unique those movies are.

489
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,840
All these moments within them because for me, it was always just like, oh yeah, that

490
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,560
part in scanners where the dudes had exploded.

491
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:04,360
You just know that moment from just talking about it on the playground or whatever.

492
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,640
Oh, and like, wow.

493
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,520
James, when did you see scanners as a kid or something?

494
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,080
Yeah, just like, you know, like, oh man, I didn't see it or something.

495
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,800
But like, oh, like, oh, my older brother saw this movie as dudes like had explodes called

496
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,000
scanners or mass craze.

497
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,920
Like those kind of like movies are like you.

498
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,480
There's one kid that did see the R rated movie and then they just go through and explain

499
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,480
the whole plot to you.

500
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,080
So you're like, well, that's crazy.

501
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,880
I remember getting the full plot of like deep blue sea and Lake Placid like back to back

502
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,360
because this one kid had seen both of them.

503
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,880
They came out like around the same time.

504
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,040
I was at the big shark.

505
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,200
Oh, no, it's a big.

506
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,840
It's a big alligator crocodile.

507
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,680
Oh, no, it's a cow.

508
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,960
It's a cow.

509
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,880
It's a cow.

510
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,680
I'm just imagining you like, oh, sorry.

511
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,080
Let me take a smoke and cigarettes and drink.

512
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,080
No, man.

513
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,320
I was Pacific cooler.

514
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,760
Take another sip of my Pacific cooler.

515
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,760
I missed it.

516
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:05,760
Mr. Strat.

517
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,760
Shit.

518
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,760
I mean, shoot.

519
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,240
I said, shoot.

520
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,880
God, what's your favorite Capri sun Pacific cooler?

521
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:14,880
Oh, Pacific cooler.

522
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:15,880
Yeah.

523
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,840
Oh, 100%.

524
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:24,880
So Cronenberg and OK, so back to the asker point that I was making is this like, I find

525
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:32,920
it really interesting and so bold that you are the son of a very, very well known director

526
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:40,320
and you go become a director yourself and you make movies very similar to your dad.

527
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,720
Like you lean into it.

528
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:48,360
I mean, most most people would be like at a bare minimum, I need to differentiate myself.

529
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,880
You think you're maybe a little bit of a rebel and become a pastor or something.

530
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:53,880
Right.

531
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,880
Or like, I don't know.

532
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,520
You know, he's the creative director of Bluey or like some kids show.

533
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,520
I don't know.

534
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,520
He's like really gone through a lot of like therapy and all this stuff because all the

535
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,600
weird shit that he had to go through having such a way.

536
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:16,000
He's like, no, he just sucked it all in and now he's producing amazing singular content

537
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,000
as well.

538
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:23,120
God, I wish I was not like it's not a cheap rip off and it does.

539
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:30,920
But it also is very much inspired visually and like the ideas are so fresh still and

540
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:38,640
to have those fresh and the ability to like take chances on things and not in clearly

541
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,800
not playing it safe.

542
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:47,920
When you have everything to fall back on as, you know, an arguable NEPO baby or some shit.

543
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,920
Oh, for sure.

544
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,920
NEPO baby.

545
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,920
Yeah, 100%.

546
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,680
But you have every safety net to fall back on if you fuck up and he just pushes it and

547
00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:02,280
makes it even more interesting and different and weird and is able to work with, you know,

548
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,080
Alexander Skarsgard is he's still got that Northman body.

549
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,080
I mean, come on.

550
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,280
I mean, I'm not sure if it's in the top game.

551
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,280
I know.

552
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,880
And me and goth is I don't know.

553
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,840
I don't understand how she hasn't been.

554
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:20,840
She wasn't nominated for fucking Pearl because that performance and in X as well.

555
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:26,000
But her performance in Pearl and there's a few moments in that movie if you've been

556
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,160
always seen that there.

557
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,640
But I've seen it.

558
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,120
Yeah, there's there's a couple moments in that where I'm just like she she is in a war

559
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,160
or something for this.

560
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,720
And this one and this movie on, you know, now that we're talking about her and maybe

561
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,720
we can touch on her performances, which I really love.

562
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,720
There was a moment.

563
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,720
Oh, my God.

564
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:45,720
There was a moment.

565
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,080
I was questioning her accent a bit.

566
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:53,160
And I think that it because in a way that was that was critical of like is, you know,

567
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,600
I don't know about this British accent.

568
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,960
What's what's going on or whatever.

569
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,520
And then it came together so well at the end because I think it completely it was completely

570
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,880
gone at the airport at the very end.

571
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,120
And I think she had like a normal acts like not a.

572
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,640
Yeah, you Brits are weird.

573
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,640
No, Jesus.

574
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:15,120
Or like, you know, get a normal accent.

575
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:20,600
From the states, you know, you know, us just talking like so Calc down.

576
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Dude, that's what we say.

577
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,360
Yeah, it's all about the.

578
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,800
This is what normal sounds like.

579
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,800
Weird.

580
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,400
Yeah, you are.

581
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,000
Oh, man, you're so right.

582
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,640
In my mind and maybe I'm just reading too much into it was that the accent was part of

583
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,680
everything that she was putting on that whole, you know, she's just a great actress.

584
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:53,440
So she was creating the story that she was from a different place because at the end,

585
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,720
it seemed like her accent had dropped.

586
00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:56,920
At least the British one in it.

587
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:03,480
And you know, got that dude, old classic California accent.

588
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,000
But maybe I'm reading too much into it either way, her performance and everything that went

589
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,360
along with it was amazing and it doesn't really matter because it was just so.

590
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,280
I don't I don't necessarily think you're reading too much into it because I think there is

591
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:22,720
plenty of examples throughout the entire movie where she puts on a facade and then there

592
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,240
is a change in her body language or the way that she talks.

593
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:31,600
Maybe not the accent I picked up on as much, but like the way that she talked to James

594
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,880
or Alexander Skarsgaard changes as the movie goes on.

595
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:42,840
And yeah, it's a testament to her being such a good actor where she is giving so much into

596
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,920
this performance at all of these different levels in order to effectively convey that

597
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:54,640
this person uses this time at this resort to do all of these hedonistic things.

598
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,440
It's like.

599
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:02,920
Right, like all of them as extensively have been except for James Alexander Skarsgaard.

600
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,960
I'm going to just say Alexander Skarsgaard James.

601
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,920
Hey, James.

602
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,680
All the other people have been there multiple times, right?

603
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,880
So this is now kind of their like.

604
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,640
Yeah, they seem to be essentially in like a cult.

605
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,640
Sure.

606
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,800
At this point is what it's growing into.

607
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,960
It started out as like fun and games and orgies and shit.

608
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,320
And then it just got.

609
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,760
More and more crazy each year that they came back.

610
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,960
Sort of kind of because I mean the title of this movie, Infinity Pool is also used in

611
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:46,400
the explanation to how Mia Gothner husband first got introduced to the idea and the conceit

612
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:52,480
of the movie that if you commit a murder or heinous crime in this country, then you either

613
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,040
you're going to get executed, but you can pay to watch.

614
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,040
He also literally designs them and installs them.

615
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,120
And then it what happened?

616
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:06,840
It was he he designed an Infinity Pool that had like you could go underneath it and she

617
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:13,280
explains it and like broke or like fucked up and killed like one of the workers.

618
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,280
Yeah.

619
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,000
And so the first.

620
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:24,760
And that was the first so he had to go through this process and then they got it right.

621
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:30,360
Just like everybody seemingly who has the money to do so gets addicted to the power

622
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,560
that you have that you can do.

623
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,600
Get away with anything and just throw money.

624
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,920
Yeah, you can get away with anything and just throw money at the problem.

625
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,320
And God, that can see to the movie, man.

626
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,440
Like I know we're kind of getting a little ahead.

627
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,840
I like how we're getting into it.

628
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:52,160
I don't know because it's hard to it's hard to talk about this without getting into, you

629
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,120
know, the overall big, big idea of it.

630
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,520
You know, we can go through a little bit more of like the beginning has some really fucking

631
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,880
cool do a bear do it.

632
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,280
Fox do a barrel roll do a barrel roll and does some barrel rolls.

633
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:13,200
And it is like a shine like the shining level sort of opening because it's already like

634
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:19,120
telling you like, yeah, menace and tops, you're not sure what's going on.

635
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,080
It is not like a fun vacation.

636
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,480
I think things are things are already off.

637
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,920
The tension between them.

638
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,920
Yeah.

639
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,920
Yeah.

640
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,920
I audibly was when that twisting happened.

641
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,920
I was like, whoa.

642
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:45,800
Because it's because there and there are a plethora of visuals in this movie that it

643
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,280
really excited me.

644
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,280
Oh, yeah.

645
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:53,800
Like I was I was thinking about just when it comes to the if I were to boil down the

646
00:38:53,800 --> 00:39:01,920
very, very core tenants of a movie that I am considering by and large had how well the

647
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:09,040
movie succeeds at like at these things at these characteristics and that being why I like

648
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,920
it, you know, like if this if it does this well, then check and if it does this well,

649
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,080
check and if it does all of these things really well, then I really love this movie.

650
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:24,000
And those three things to me was visually what the camera is doing, what the plot and

651
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,680
dialogue of the movie is and then what is the like theme and conceit of the movie.

652
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:37,360
And so if those three things are like, you know, doing well, then that is to me like

653
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,200
almost like a rubric like this.

654
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,120
I really enjoyed this movie.

655
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,440
And so the visuals of this movie.

656
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,160
Dazzle the shit out of me, man.

657
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:55,280
There was so much in this movie that I have not really seen done almost at all where I

658
00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,480
can go through a list, but before I do, I kind of aside from the twisting and turning, is

659
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:07,720
there like a visual like a direction in the movie that stands out to you?

660
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:13,840
Overall, the I don't know if you'd call it the color correction or the saturation and

661
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:22,200
the contrast of all the colors was like muted in a way that was just different and really

662
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,160
interesting and almost kind of washed out at times.

663
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:33,160
That was just different than a lot of ways of shooting that I've seen before that made

664
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:43,720
it overall enticing to look at because it was still telling me something visually constantly,

665
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:45,840
even in the overall like color.

666
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,720
Like it didn't feel like a happy, fun vacation.

667
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:56,160
It felt like the muted like color had kind of been sucked out of this guy's life and

668
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:03,080
in this weird, yeah, depressive, yeah, writer's block sort of state.

669
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,800
And that was something that I was sinking into.

670
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:17,880
And then as the movie went on, there was just a lot of surprising, fun ways to tell the

671
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,240
audience something without telling them and showing them.

672
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:25,240
Absolutely.

673
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,240
Yeah.

674
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:30,160
And I know what you mean by the washed out stuff, especially in the very beginning of

675
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,760
the movie is what comes to mind is when all positive things.

676
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:35,760
But yeah.

677
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:36,760
Yes.

678
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:42,080
I get that you don't mean that it's washed out or colorless in a negative way because

679
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:50,360
no, it adds to the movie where I in my mind like images of me because I've gone to places

680
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,480
like this and it just was so.

681
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:01,560
It was just such an immediate connection where you are outside and there's a lot of like

682
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:08,400
concrete and stone and the sun is up very high and everything is very washed out and

683
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:16,000
very like, yeah, just lit and, you know, a lot.

684
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:23,040
But yeah, it just it adds to that almost like a malaise that you can have in such a beautiful

685
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,800
place, which is really, really, really fascinating.

686
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,120
And this movie is just filled to the brim with so much of that kind of visual language

687
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:39,600
communicating how the characters are feeling and what that location kind of represents

688
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,640
or, you know, just overall like where the movie is telling you through its images, like

689
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,800
how to feel.

690
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,800
And it's.

691
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:55,000
I thought of the other shot that I really liked was when he first meets the crew.

692
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:00,920
And the shot is in the other room, looking over someone's back to him.

693
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:07,360
But it just is the slowest zoom into him.

694
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,400
I'm like almost almost a mid shot.

695
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,920
But in the it's really far away in a different room.

696
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:18,600
Super voyeuristic, which is something that the way they place the camera, these Cronenberg

697
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:27,120
ease, they like make you feel like a voyeur in like in the midst of everything.

698
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,120
Yeah.

699
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:36,840
And in the characters themselves to the sexual nature that is implicit in in kind of the

700
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:42,040
dealings of that slowly kind of unfurls and comes out as well as they show their true

701
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:48,440
colors and what they're really trying to get out of everything is something that.

702
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,240
Yeah, I don't know.

703
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:56,840
I like the weird sexual side of some of these some of their movies like that is comes into

704
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:04,520
play that I feel feel like is kind of missing in movies that are a little more censored

705
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,000
in different ways.

706
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:11,320
I don't want to say such a blanket term because there's movies out there and Mia goth is in

707
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:18,520
X and Pearl, which I think they do a great job of that as well as like sexual horror.

708
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:27,200
But the way that it's done in in the body, horror and everything that's kind of transmitted

709
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,680
through their their movies, I think is something that is just a part of it.

710
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,760
It's not the only part, but it's just another part of the of his color palette that he just

711
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,120
adds to this this piece of art that he's he's making.

712
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:48,080
And it takes a performer like Mia goth to get that across as well.

713
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,040
Because she's like the driving force behind that part of it.

714
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,920
I think in all the weird little crew members and all that stuff and, you know, all that

715
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,080
stuff of me, goth is definitely driving it.

716
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,160
And her husband's actor's name or the character's name, but he's pretty good too.

717
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,080
But she's just yeah.

718
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,080
Yeah.

719
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,960
Um, the two main leads fucking kill it.

720
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,920
And such an interesting detective guy.

721
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,920
He's awesome too.

722
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,920
Yes.

723
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:23,040
And such an interesting point that you just made because it I totally get what you mean

724
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:32,400
by the lack of sexuality in where you would like to see it in other movies and also Kronenberg

725
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,040
being so good at like the body is this organ sack.

726
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,160
And it's also a sexual organ at the same time.

727
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:48,240
And it's like it almost makes me think of their hope in and his like philosophy on movies

728
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:53,840
and sexuality and whatnot is like his movies are hyperviolent and hypersexual.

729
00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:00,680
And he's like in his mind, I feel like I've heard in interviews is like.

730
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:08,440
They you know, he likes putting them next to each other because it's how did he describe

731
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,640
it, it's like it's so visceral.

732
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,840
Like all of us think about sex often and all of us think about, you know, more or less

733
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:18,840
our own deaths.

734
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,480
Like I don't think a lot of people think about killing other people, but like death and violence

735
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,760
is there as well.

736
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,560
And it kind of just really puts on display.

737
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,960
Like we do have this hedonistic and this.

738
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:41,520
I don't necessarily want to say dark, but for lack of a better term, like a dark side

739
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,480
to all of us that is there that are, you know, are.

740
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,200
Not our ego, but our subconscious, you know, it exists in there, but our conscious, you

741
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,080
know, make sure that that stays in check.

742
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,560
And there's also recognition, I'm sure that we all go through where it's like, even if

743
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,920
I want to say fuck everything, I know that I shouldn't.

744
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,000
And I know that I, and it's not good for me and all of that stuff, but it's, you know,

745
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,800
you can make these connections with the mood, with these movies like Kronenberg or Verhoeven,

746
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:16,440
where you're like, I am a sexual person and there is a part of me that in another world

747
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,640
or, you know, kind of displayed in this movie and what the main character goes through is

748
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,760
like.

749
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,320
Like entertaining that idea that how close am I to being this like sexual deviant or

750
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:34,360
being this person who is just like really into watching myself get murdered, you know,

751
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,360
that kind of stuff.

752
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,040
Yeah, you just the capabilities that you have with the amount of money that you, you have,

753
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,800
you've pushed it so far that yeah, everything you're making that you're bringing up does

754
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:49,880
make me think of like Q break and like Eyes Wide Shut or Clockwork Horns and exploring

755
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,840
ideas like that and characters like that or even his father in a movie that we discussed

756
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,080
very like earlier on in this podcast has been, we've been going long enough, I'll say earlier

757
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:07,480
on we did Cosmopolis, which was yeah, very much about classism and everything that goes

758
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:13,920
goes along with that and what that can get you in a future sci-fi kind of world and in

759
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:19,320
your body and now crimes of the future more, more recently.

760
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,520
But the that side, I agree, yeah, is present in all of us.

761
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:31,440
It's interesting how he portrays some of these people with a lot of wealth that are looking

762
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:41,640
to get either their kicks or they're trying to prolong life in a lot of ways or it's exhibitionism.

763
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:49,760
A lot of these characters in his movies as well and they're in these carnal desires that

764
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:54,920
they don't even understand about themselves either.

765
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:01,800
But having these characters be present, these, these wealthy people that seem to not maybe

766
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,120
not given to those sides except maybe on these trips and everything and then they just let

767
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,120
it all out.

768
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,360
But yeah, it almost reminds me like the rich people that, you know, just drop a bunch and

769
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,240
you know, go to Burning Man or whatever and take it over with.

770
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:16,240
100% such a good analogy.

771
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:22,600
But then it just kind of changes the nature of the place itself too.

772
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:29,080
And I, yeah, and speaking of that too, how I'm kind of rambling, I guess, but how the

773
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:34,760
culture and this this is this made up place that they that he introduces in this movie

774
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:42,760
I thought was well done to just like the little snippets of it really puts you in the place

775
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,520
of these characters because you don't feel like enough due time is given to the place

776
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,320
and all the shit that they're doing to it and taking from it.

777
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,400
And it's never really explained all all of their customs and everything.

778
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,560
They're just kind of like, yeah, you know, me and goth seems to know enough because they've

779
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:03,760
been coming back here, however often or whatever, but how they use the drug that all that when

780
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,280
they start bringing introducing that drug.

781
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,280
Oh my God.

782
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:13,600
But and and just all of all of the customs that they they take advantage of, you know,

783
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:20,480
it's it's kind of it's in your face very much like what the movies trying trying to say,

784
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:26,480
but the methods and ideas and strange sci-fi elements just push it to a side that make

785
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:32,080
it just yeah, thrilling to watch for it being a thriller.

786
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,520
I agree. Yeah, I love.

787
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:35,520
I love.

788
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,840
No, it's okay.

789
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:47,600
I love that it was a like made up or nondescript place because having talked to people in certain

790
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:55,840
classes that have done travels and, you know, imbibed in cultures and whatnot is this there

791
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:02,320
is unfortunately a gist you can get out of certain, you know, people who have done these

792
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,360
things, not this stuff in particular, but who have gone to, you know, ostensibly third

793
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,160
world countries to go vacation.

794
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:18,120
The attitude has a lot of similarities where everybody just casually talks about, well,

795
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,760
the people that live there are really impoverished.

796
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:26,280
It is a dangerous place for people with money and white people to go outside of.

797
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:33,720
And it just that's kind of a consistent description for a lot of people who have gone to South

798
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:38,840
America, maybe gone to what it is in like Southeast Asia.

799
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:44,000
It's closest to like a yeah, maybe a South American kind of.

800
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,000
But then there's like a.

801
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,200
But then and then that then there's a lot of like a communist Russia stuff.

802
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:55,320
But the thing was like it was whatever with the actual country that it was in the surrounding

803
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:02,440
area, whatever that pocket that they were in was like eco tourist like, you know, place

804
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,120
where they just have a little bit of everything for everybody because a lot of people come

805
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,520
from all over the world.

806
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,880
So they have the Chinese food restaurant that they go to and then they do the hard jump

807
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:18,440
cut to the Bollywood dancers in the Indian dancers because it just seems to be it's

808
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:24,280
like this place where a lot of tourists come from all over and they're just trying to please

809
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,480
everybody.

810
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,400
So in that pocket, it just it's almost makes it difficult purposely.

811
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:34,560
So from the movie's perspective, to make it difficult to discern exactly where it is because

812
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:40,400
it's trying to cater to the world at large and in a way, you know, and then reminds me

813
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,400
of like more.

814
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,800
Yeah, there we just went on a vacation.

815
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:49,360
A little sad and like the beach even was no old I don't know why I said the beach.

816
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,320
Well, actually, the beat I mean, I've been reading that book recently and there's definitely

817
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,200
no there's definitely an element of that too.

818
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:56,200
It's yeah, Alex.

819
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,200
It's been a good book.

820
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,800
But yeah, we went to Cancun recently.

821
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:00,800
I don't know.

822
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:06,000
Cancun is has elements of that too where it's doesn't necessarily represent, you know,

823
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:11,400
the country, the country at large, but it's it's represents the the touristy side of it.

824
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,600
And a lot of people from around the world go there to.

825
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,240
Oh, we got Blarge in the chat.

826
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:18,920
Let's see what he has to say.

827
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,840
Large pass guest.

828
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,840
Cancun is lit AF.

829
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,320
Oh, all right.

830
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:31,160
Well, I mean, it was but you know, the point we're making with Cancun is like we get off

831
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:38,080
their plane and then immediately it is people trying to sell you shit like aggressively

832
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:44,280
sell you shit, then you get on get into a car and then you drive and then on the same

833
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:50,440
freeway there are people with mounted machine guns on trucks, people with machine guns standing

834
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:51,840
in the middle of the road.

835
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:58,080
And then you're driving past these resorts that have these enormous stone walls with

836
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:04,760
gates on them and people just getting funneled into their private little resorts and with

837
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,880
the main road, there's just yeah, like the walls, like I know there's a chain link and

838
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,160
everything like in this movie, but it's not too far off where you just see like a fortress

839
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,760
and like some have like I saw a water feature look like a moat, you know, and then just

840
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,760
guards outside each each gate and wall and everything.

841
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,760
Absolutely.

842
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:31,960
And then and also to in our resort, there was a.

843
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:38,640
There was a Chinese restaurant and it was called Aegean or yeah, Oriental Asian taste.

844
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,560
Yeah, something like that, which you know, it's all a pan Asian.

845
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,200
It was a pan Asian restaurant, I believe.

846
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:55,200
All that to be said is like this is the perfect setting for you to hone in on the concept that

847
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:03,120
people with wealth are easily well.

848
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,560
How do I describe this is like.

849
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:16,640
They can't do this in their own lives, but will pay lots of money to be the burning man

850
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:22,200
version or the hedonistic version of themselves in these countries and just take advantage

851
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:27,840
of, you know, again, these resorts and how they're set up and just that whole vibe that

852
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:34,600
you operate in when you go to a third world country, go stay at a resort.

853
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:40,640
It just it puts you in a headspace that is conducive for the plot of this movie, which

854
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:50,160
is Alexander Skarsgard losing his like reality or his morals and his humanity by being surrounded

855
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,040
by these people that he ends up being with, but also the environment and being in this

856
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,160
resort town houses and all of that stuff.

857
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:04,640
And it just this movie is benefits so much from it being at a resort as opposed to like

858
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:10,240
even cosmopolous or whatever, when you're in America or in a city, it just presents

859
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:18,320
so many questions and then also to if it was specific to a region, then there would you

860
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:26,680
couldn't do this rule about the cloning and the execution stuff, you know, all of that.

861
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:31,640
Sure you could talk about people paying to get away with stuff and we've seen movies

862
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,840
that, you know, kind of tackle that.

863
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,760
But yeah, I just the setting for this is fantastic.

864
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:39,760
You know, absolutely.

865
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:46,280
Yeah, the language that they put up and like the name of the place is like Leetoka.

866
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,720
Something like that.

867
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:52,200
And the it just is fully realized.

868
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,800
You see the masks very early on.

869
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,760
You see the markings on everybody's faces.

870
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:58,760
Excellent detail.

871
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:06,480
Love that detail because it's just such a clear sign of local, you know, in a in a way

872
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,880
that's just again visual and never brought up or discussed by me and got like, yes, and

873
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,720
they have those things on their faces.

874
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:15,880
And let me tell you what it means.

875
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,160
I do like how like flippantly she does do some of these explanations just like, yes,

876
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,680
the locals, it's their most sit prize drug and they do it for very, you know, and then

877
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:30,280
they just like it's like such a half ass sort of explanation or whatever.

878
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,320
Like she like she doesn't even fucking carry, but she's just kind of like as she says, she's

879
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,600
almost just like throwing in it.

880
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:40,840
And I just great performance choice as well.

881
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,840
And all of yeah.

882
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,840
And the casting of all those people I love I love that they all I don't know.

883
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:48,560
They just look they look like real people.

884
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:54,400
They don't look like they've done a lot of acting not to be mean or it just it just looks

885
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:05,040
like they they fill in these rich kind of like their their age and everything.

886
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,800
All just works works really well and they're not all just like, I don't know, like model

887
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:10,800
like super attractive.

888
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,080
Like they just look like real people.

889
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,080
And I kind of like that.

890
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:22,040
They like looking for sure, but it's good looking as anybody, anybody who is really wealthy in

891
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:27,600
the States or in London or whatever would be fairly good looking because they have the

892
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,680
income to go to all of the spas and do all of the stuff.

893
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,280
Yeah, for the ages, they look great for sure.

894
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:38,120
I just it may just added like a real element to it, especially in the orgy scenes and shit

895
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,360
where it just like, yeah, these there's just some rich older types that are just getting

896
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:50,040
their kicks, you know, and but this movie just makes it scarier and more dis and more

897
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,040
disgusting.

898
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:56,120
Yeah, like I as wide shut sort of thing reminded me a little bit of that 100 percent great

899
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:03,720
analog because yeah, like the fact that these this group of people it's almost like acting

900
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:08,680
is the secondary thing, the more important thing is is I want people who look like the

901
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:13,120
type of people who would go to this place and do these things.

902
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,920
And the casting is fantastic.

903
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:22,200
It's a bunch of people who are like in their fifties ish, like forties to fifties.

904
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:23,640
And I was like triangle sadness.

905
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,680
The casting in that was it was really gay too.

906
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:26,680
And they're there.

907
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,520
Yeah, they're elements of of that that reminded me of this movie.

908
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,320
But the overall.

909
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:41,320
Like him the devolving into what actually happens, them going to the beach, Mia goth.

910
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,080
Before that, oh, yeah, there's the failing naturally.

911
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:50,240
I love that scene because that really hinges on how good her as an actress playing an actress

912
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:55,200
can pull that off of cutting the bun or like I need the bun cutter or bun or whatever.

913
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,640
It was just awesome.

914
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,480
It was like such a great like table setting.

915
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,280
Or the dynamic between the group.

916
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:09,520
And you know, you got to you got to feel for the splintering between him and James and

917
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:15,800
his wife of like how they felt about the other pair and like leaving the place the next day

918
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,560
and borrowing the car and how James he was just like, yeah, fuck it, let's do it because

919
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,520
he's just looking for any sort of excitement in his life because he's dead inside and he's

920
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,960
trying to look for inspiration.

921
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:33,520
So he's just in my mind, just, you know, reaching out for for anything.

922
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,280
And then we get to the yeah, the beach scene where he's before.

923
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,000
Yeah, before that.

924
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Yeah.

925
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:47,200
I just I've unfortunately been a part of a dinner where this has happened.

926
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:48,560
But a bun cutter.

927
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,720
No, I wish that was fun.

928
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,240
I loved that, especially how excited her husband was about like, oh my God, let me move this

929
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,240
stuff away.

930
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,520
I loved I like, oh, yeah, show him this.

931
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:59,520
You're great at this.

932
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,680
Like, I love that because especially in comparison.

933
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,760
And this is the thing that I've unfortunately experienced is like going to a dinner with

934
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:15,840
a couple who maybe aren't totally at this point, but are at a point where they can talk

935
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:22,320
to talk to another couple about each other in this way.

936
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:36,520
Oh, it just is it gives me the chills because like her clearly saying like he is a charity

937
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,520
case.

938
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:43,480
Like he hasn't been the passive aggressive work.

939
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,040
All of that stuff to people you just met.

940
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,600
I'm kind of like.

941
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,200
So you're there airing out some dirty laundry a little bit.

942
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:57,560
He was being down on himself in front of everyone, but they were they were prying a bit.

943
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:03,240
Yeah, that was an uncomfortable moment for sure.

944
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:08,520
It's honestly, man, it's just something that I have such a hard time wrapping my mind around.

945
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:14,720
Maybe if I was in a relationship longer, I would get why would happen.

946
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:22,920
But even then it's like to experience a couple where one is like dogging on the other one

947
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:27,800
to in my case, I'm usually like the person they just recently met and we're like going

948
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,200
out to dinner or whatever.

949
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,200
Right.

950
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:35,520
And to dog on your husband so openly.

951
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,160
And then what is he going to do?

952
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,960
Oh, he's kind of delicate.

953
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:39,960
Whatever.

954
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,440
Like, oh, he married rich, which is like at first was like, and then what does she say

955
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,480
after?

956
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,400
So well, she also talks about it at the beach.

957
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,720
And they're kind of pushing it a bit and everything.

958
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:53,720
Yeah.

959
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,120
Because I mean, they're just having the typical conversation at dinner with people you just

960
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,800
met is like, what do you do for work?

961
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:04,720
And so, you know, she she what does she do for work regardless?

962
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:10,080
Like, and then they get her the M. I can't remember.

963
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:15,440
But then they get to him and he's, you know, I'm a writer, but I haven't written anything.

964
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,600
And then the me and Goss husband is like, Oh, so what do you I've been waiting for your

965
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,720
next book, James.

966
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:23,720
When is it when is it coming?

967
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:24,720
I don't know.

968
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:25,720
Oh, right.

969
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:30,200
And they just like keep on like, yes, that's how it goes.

970
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:31,200
Yeah.

971
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,200
And then he's like, yeah, I wish you would fucking right.

972
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:38,600
And then she clearly says like, no, he is not writing.

973
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,240
It's been a long time.

974
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,240
I'm getting really fed up with it.

975
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:51,480
I have to foot all of his bills and just like at the bread course, like it's like, I don't

976
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,480
know, man.

977
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,280
It's palpable.

978
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:59,920
It's and he's just it's so close my mind.

979
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:02,640
He doesn't make it any easier on himself.

980
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,920
And I agree that it's it's weird, but like he is so down on himself.

981
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:12,880
And yeah, it's clear that she's not willing even in that moment to like lighten him up

982
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,440
because that conversation has run dry between them so much that you can tell that she's

983
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,520
kind of fed up with it a bit.

984
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,400
So she's not even giving him encouragement necessarily.

985
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:23,720
It's more like Mia Gothen.

986
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,280
I need to find the character's name.

987
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,920
Her husband are like more being like, Oh, it's okay.

988
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:30,920
You'll figure it out.

989
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,320
And I think they do a good job of, uh, yeah, playing out the tension.

990
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,880
Well, yeah, because I mean, you have to diffuse it.

991
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:40,160
I mean, that's the thing, right?

992
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,480
Is like in that situation, when that happens, I'm always like, okay, then let's, you know,

993
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,560
let's talk about something else, obviously, because it's a sore subject about, you know,

994
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,320
you making an income or your contributions and whatnot.

995
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:57,320
But to your point is, is it's specifically the thing that really blows me away that somebody

996
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:03,720
in a relationship could put their partner down so clearly and so quickly into a conversation

997
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,560
with people that you don't know that well is insane.

998
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,600
And I don't understand why.

999
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:14,160
Why don't you with people that you don't know, even if you're fucking lying, why don't you

1000
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,920
just build your partner up?

1001
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,200
Like sure, go have that fucking argument.

1002
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:23,120
You know, in your room, whatever strangers.

1003
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:24,120
That's what I'm saying.

1004
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,840
Like to hit it shows how I'm a stranger in that conversation.

1005
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:35,040
And like if I was, you know, like if if you and your wife were to have that conversation,

1006
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:39,320
it would be totally different because we've known each other for so long.

1007
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,120
Sure, maybe doesn't need to happen at dinner.

1008
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,600
But like if you need to have it, if you need guys need to have it out, then do it.

1009
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:51,680
But like, they just met these people like, like this is how you start.

1010
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,280
I just, I don't know.

1011
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:54,320
It just shows her care.

1012
01:05:54,320 --> 01:06:01,000
It shows M's character clearly that she also, and then to find out once they get to, you

1013
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,760
know, to for the plot, like if she goes off to the beach on her own earlier that morning

1014
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,360
and everything, the, the what's going on between them is not, is not good.

1015
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,800
And even when they, when they, I'm not sure, like it's near the end of their trip as it

1016
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:14,800
is.

1017
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,560
And they're kind of like, this doesn't seem like they got a lot out of it.

1018
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:19,560
Yeah.

1019
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:23,880
Which he got what he got, what he wanted out of it because they were going to alleviate

1020
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:29,600
his writer's block and almost seem like in it, doesn't seem like he got what he needed.

1021
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:34,120
And I think that's frustrating both of them and they're passively, passively aggressively

1022
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,680
taking it out on each other.

1023
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:37,680
And then they go to the beach.

1024
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,960
They have a, oh, James, would you, you simply must have another sausage.

1025
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,440
You must have another sausage, Brandon.

1026
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:45,440
You must have another sausage.

1027
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,600
If I have another sausage, James, I'm going to throw up.

1028
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,360
And then you'd say, okay.

1029
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,160
Then can you throw up now so you can eat another one of these?

1030
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,160
Cause you're so good.

1031
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,400
I was like, there's some other thing they like.

1032
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:03,960
It's that, that weird kind of likes, I love how stilted some of that stuff comes across

1033
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:04,960
sometimes.

1034
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:09,600
And I, that's kind of where I'm referring to the, the crew a little bit more where the,

1035
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:15,240
yeah, some of the stilted lines between them work really well for how weird things come

1036
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,640
across and like a David Lynch, like a Lynchian sort of way.

1037
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,520
And they just met each other too.

1038
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,240
So that that's working for them as well.

1039
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,880
They just met each other.

1040
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:24,880
Yeah.

1041
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,560
And then doing this little, little beach, beach cruise.

1042
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:35,320
He goes off to relieve himself and that transition from what is falling on the ground is something

1043
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:44,040
seems uncomfortable to go straight for impeding to that, but that's just speaking from, from

1044
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,760
trying to imagine that as a man.

1045
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:54,360
I mean, unless he circumcised, that would have been a very uncomfortable time because

1046
01:07:54,360 --> 01:08:01,240
he is, it's not like there is any lube and he's going piss in a fucking at a beach.

1047
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:09,200
And then she just, yeah, so she starts jerking them off while he's going pee in a brush.

1048
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:16,000
The look on scars, guards, face, and the words that you're so funny is kind of comical because

1049
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:26,760
after he gets this drive by jerking, he almost starts like he becomes hunched over and just

1050
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:33,200
becomes such a like a, I like, I don't know, like folded in and like defeated man where

1051
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,280
he just, and it's only fun.

1052
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:40,680
He's not drunk in that hill drive, but he looks like kind of wasted in a way.

1053
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:46,040
He's like his hair is all like fucked up and his eyes are kind of just like squinty and

1054
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:52,840
yeah, he's kind of like, I'll drive you no problem.

1055
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:58,040
And then shit starts and then it turns into I know what you did last summer for a moment.

1056
01:08:58,040 --> 01:08:59,240
Yeah.

1057
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:06,440
Um, so he, okay, so just a wine bag, just a tad.

1058
01:09:06,440 --> 01:09:11,480
We might have to go quicker at a certain point if we're going to go.

1059
01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:18,160
But I'm obsessed with this is like, okay, so first off this, what's happening or like

1060
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:25,440
how this scene is shot is representative of a lot of shots in this movie that I love a

1061
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:32,120
fuckload, which is when something, when somebody is talking that you need to focus on or there

1062
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:38,520
is an action that is happening that you need to focus on it is close up.

1063
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,840
Like there are scenes in this movie.

1064
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:47,400
Like you know, the night before they get to the beach where he gets a drive by jerking,

1065
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:53,840
there's like the camera will be completely zoomed in on the mouth.

1066
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:58,000
You can see almost nothing other than their mouths and then it'll cut between the two

1067
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,400
people talking.

1068
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:05,880
And to your point about sexuality is that's that is visually conveyed in doing that.

1069
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:14,440
There are so many very, very close up shots of people's body parts that implies this sexuality

1070
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:15,800
to it.

1071
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:21,720
And so in this drive by jerking, it is like super zoomed on piss hitting the ground and

1072
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:24,880
then it comes back.

1073
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:30,120
He comes in and another camera thing that I love that happens a little bit after this

1074
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,840
is there are a couple of scenes where the person in the foreground is in focus, but

1075
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:40,360
the person in the background who obscencially is what you should be focusing on because

1076
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:41,920
they're doing the action.

1077
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,760
The person in the foreground is like sitting there or standing there or whatever, and they

1078
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:53,480
are blurred and it is them coming into focus to do like to engage with that subject that

1079
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:57,400
is in focus in the camera or in the scene.

1080
01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:58,400
Love that.

1081
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:04,360
It's so cool to like it's almost like you're visually in the person who's focused like

1082
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:05,760
head.

1083
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:12,440
Like I am that person and I'm almost like hearing and barely seeing the things in my periphery.

1084
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:17,680
And then when that person gets into my periphery, that's when the camera focuses in on it.

1085
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,680
So sick.

1086
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:19,680
Like I haven't seen that.

1087
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,520
I don't know if I've ever seen that.

1088
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:27,400
But so that happens with the drive by jerking and it clearly shows him coming.

1089
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,400
So I just I just want to make the point.

1090
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,880
I know me making a point of come.

1091
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:33,880
I get it.

1092
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:39,320
It's old hat, whatever, but teeth goes through with that.

1093
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,120
So there's something there that's like he is not a good person.

1094
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:47,120
Like if there's a save the, you know, the whole save the cat thing.

1095
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,560
If this is the reverse, this is blow the load.

1096
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,680
Like this signifies he's not a good person and sets you up.

1097
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,840
This is less than 20 minutes into the movie.

1098
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:56,840
Oh, yeah.

1099
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,440
He's devolving quick because he's such a blank fucking slate.

1100
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:07,040
He's such a sad, amorphous blob of a slate to lay upon whatever fucking scammer ideas

1101
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:11,160
that these these people are putting upon him because he's seeking out something that he

1102
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,400
doesn't even know what it is.

1103
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:21,400
And me got the praise upon that and manipulates him through sexuality, like almost first

1104
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:27,120
and foremost, and he's such and he's just kind of dumb and he falls for it too.

1105
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:32,640
He's like doesn't like logically think out some of these things and just is kind of like

1106
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:41,960
going with the flow of everything and is showing that side very quickly.

1107
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,240
Like you're like you're saying right off the bat and is already willing to trust these

1108
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,240
people.

1109
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:47,240
Just why?

1110
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,280
Because they boost she boosted his ego for a bit.

1111
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:54,600
That's why he's willing to go along with them a bit more is because she's giving him

1112
01:12:54,600 --> 01:13:00,560
sexual attention and like boosting his ego with saying that she loves his books, book

1113
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,080
or whatever and all that shit.

1114
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,640
And he hasn't gotten that from his wife in a while because he's he's such a, you know,

1115
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:12,840
just not confident in himself.

1116
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:21,280
And so what he's seeking out is just something to write about and something new and different

1117
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:29,840
and they find themselves in a situation where he's just immediately put in a position to

1118
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:35,160
have to run away like a coward as well and not stick up for himself at any point.

1119
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,840
Could have stuck up for himself with me a golf given the drive by jerking.

1120
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,440
No, could have stick up for himself and gone to the police immediately.

1121
01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:47,360
You know, would have gone maybe arguably the same way and fess up to it, you know, right

1122
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:48,360
off the bat.

1123
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:54,360
No, he's just going to be complicit and fucking run away and be a coward with that as well.

1124
01:13:54,360 --> 01:14:01,520
And then take the take the easy way out when it's presented to him constantly and not,

1125
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,120
you know, and even with like all the password thing, he's just like, oh yeah, my bad.

1126
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,400
My buddy can do this.

1127
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:08,560
You just got to do this thing for me.

1128
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:13,200
He's just constantly going along with other what other people tell him.

1129
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:23,320
And for, you know, as a very flawed straight man in this in this performance, he just does

1130
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:24,640
it so so well.

1131
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,160
I've this one.

1132
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,000
I know, like there's been numerous performances with him, which I've really liked.

1133
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,880
Obviously the Northman, even like big little lies that's that's in the cool kids.

1134
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,400
And then there's like, there in a very toxic relationship him and Nicole Kimmon, which

1135
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,520
he does an amazing job with that as well.

1136
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:46,680
But this one really just pushed me over the hill with him of like how much I really would

1137
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:52,080
like to see movies with just knowing that he's going to give a performance in it beyond

1138
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,960
just like him happening to be in good movies, which he's done quite a few lately.

1139
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:03,560
I actually like want to see more of his performances because he kind of just blew my mind some

1140
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:10,840
of the commitment that him and Mia got gave to little little baby Cronenberg here.

1141
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,040
Yeah.

1142
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:16,240
So they get back into the gate with the with the key cards and all that stuff.

1143
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:21,240
They wake them up the next morning and we go into fucking crazy town from from here on

1144
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:22,240
out in the movie.

1145
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,160
And I feel like this is only yeah, like 20, like you're seeing 20 minutes or so into the

1146
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:34,600
movie is when he's presented with very matter of factly by by this man, the detective or

1147
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:40,400
whoever it is of I just love he's like, hey, would like a cigarette?

1148
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:41,400
Okay.

1149
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:42,400
Let me explain.

1150
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,920
He's like, oh, so detective Irel Thresch Thresch.

1151
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:53,800
He's like, you know, just her just perfectly delivering these lines in a way that you know

1152
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:59,920
he's being manipulated by him as well played by Thomas Kresch Kreschman great performance.

1153
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:02,760
And yeah, I just have to say you didn't rent the car.

1154
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,120
So I ask you to say you didn't have the car.

1155
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,440
And so he's like, OK, so you stole it.

1156
01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:11,480
So you're going to be, you know, it's death.

1157
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:13,720
And so it's usually the first born.

1158
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,600
Luckily, this guy has numerous son.

1159
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,040
He's just rolling through this shit.

1160
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:26,040
And these lines, which another movie in less lesser hands with these ideas would just like

1161
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:31,800
and like emphasize these moments and be like, what's happening?

1162
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:32,800
No.

1163
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,200
Oh my God, him like freaking out and being really dramatic about it is just like roll

1164
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,560
through real quick.

1165
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:42,760
And I love that effect that it has on you as audience to and it further caters to that

1166
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:48,040
first person narrative that he's placing upon you that that also caters to the voyeuristic

1167
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:52,640
side of it as well, but also the side of like just being lost in the mix of what's going

1168
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,120
on and that feeling.

1169
01:16:55,120 --> 01:17:00,720
Yeah, waiting a long time and having someone come in and just give you a half, you know,

1170
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:05,320
sort of explanation about what's happening.

1171
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,480
But then all he cares about is like, oh, OK, so I'll get to go.

1172
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:09,480
OK, whatever.

1173
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:10,480
I'll just sign it.

1174
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:13,280
Like he again, another moment for him to follow up.

1175
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,120
So like follow up a little bit.

1176
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,120
He doesn't do any of that.

1177
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,520
He's just so just like, OK, whatever.

1178
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:23,880
He's just a lost little lamb and a dog, if you will.

1179
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:28,280
But he gives he goes for it.

1180
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:29,600
And what do you think of?

1181
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:34,320
Yeah, you can stop me at any point, but I was going to talk about some of these sets.

1182
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:35,520
Yeah, yeah.

1183
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:40,400
You know, walking into the cloning room and also the execution room are great sets.

1184
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:41,400
Oh, sure.

1185
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:42,600
Yeah, I'll mention those two.

1186
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,200
But I want to talk about detective three.

1187
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:47,440
I looked at I looked at that.

1188
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,440
What else is the end?

1189
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:51,640
I don't know.

1190
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,600
I looked at that last name because I was because I did want to try to get an idea of like, is

1191
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:01,600
this by and large trying to be this one area?

1192
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:08,760
And so it's like Thresh last name and it is a English name has been found in the US.

1193
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,880
Now, nowhere was it like Eastern European or anything like that, which I found really

1194
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:21,720
interesting because there's the aesthetic of the government building or whatever is so

1195
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:28,720
interesting because it's like really run down, not very empty.

1196
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:32,560
It seems it seems kind of like Russian.

1197
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,080
Yeah.

1198
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:41,120
Almost like communist architecture and it's all you see very few people working there

1199
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,400
and all of them are military that you do see.

1200
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:49,880
And a couple things about what you just said, though, specifically is I love the small detail

1201
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:55,440
of again, because I love this about this movie is close zoom in of him dropping the

1202
01:18:55,440 --> 01:19:01,080
cigarette while he while detective Thresh is in the chair and stomping it with his heel.

1203
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:05,320
And you can see that there's like 10 cigarettes there.

1204
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:11,000
And and also to add to your point about it is his.

1205
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:18,040
Like, Lausse fair, like not Lausse fair, his.

1206
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:25,120
Clinical approach to this is also incredibly interesting where he has this attitude where

1207
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:29,040
he's done this a bunch of times, then shows you the cigarettes that clearly show that

1208
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:34,560
he's done this a bunch of times and he just walks through very like if you went to the

1209
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:40,120
DMV like OK, so you know, explains to him like, OK, so all of these people said that

1210
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:41,440
you killed this person.

1211
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:45,520
So in this case, yeah, like in this country, you're going to get executed.

1212
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:51,400
But if you pay this fee because of this rule that we have for tourists, you can clone yourself

1213
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:59,000
and then it is so wild how like discombobulated Alexander Skarsgard is because to your point,

1214
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,120
right, like he isn't asking any questions.

1215
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:07,640
Literally the dialogue is the detective explaining all of all of this stuff and him just going

1216
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:08,640
like, huh?

1217
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:09,640
Yeah, what?

1218
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,640
Where is she?

1219
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:15,400
OK, and then just signs the paper and then he's off to the races.

1220
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,520
And yeah, now this next part.

1221
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:24,480
I love this approach to not needing to show exactly how this works.

1222
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:28,760
Like that's not the fucking point of the movie because it's they clone you.

1223
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:29,760
So you know what?

1224
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,440
Whatever they do to do it, it works.

1225
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:35,480
And sometimes I love the little explanation, whatever, like some half ass explanation later

1226
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:39,600
were like, oh, yeah, like we kept on trying to figure out the scientific hour or whatever

1227
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,080
it's all about.

1228
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:42,080
What did they say?

1229
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:47,280
The it was just some sort of like it was more holistic or some some not bullshit, but like

1230
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,040
some shit like that through the way they were describing it.

1231
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:51,440
Sound like bullshit.

1232
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:56,240
It could be fully thought out and really interesting, but they don't give a fuck because they just

1233
01:20:56,240 --> 01:21:02,200
use it as a use it and take advantage of it as a way, you know, to funnel money out of

1234
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:03,440
rich people who visit.

1235
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:05,520
But I mean, the rich people use it.

1236
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:06,520
Yeah.

1237
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,880
And whatever its actual purpose is, you don't even really get to know that either because

1238
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:15,040
it really is just what they use it for and whatever this drug as well and all that stuff.

1239
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:21,640
Yeah, totally because this isn't as sci fi as it could be where people like that.

1240
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:28,360
I don't know, there's easily another version of this movie where people at like the airport

1241
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:34,320
or the resort, you know, you find out, oh, their clones to a stolen or some shit.

1242
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:35,320
Yeah, I Ross.

1243
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:42,880
It's like, no, it's just for if you commit a heinous crime, creating a clone to get executed.

1244
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,600
I love how definitive and straightforward that is.

1245
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:53,440
I also love the homage in the in the creation of the double to diamonds are forever.

1246
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:54,760
I think that's so fun.

1247
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,040
Is what like the little like thing he's in.

1248
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,760
What is the homage?

1249
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,000
It's getting cloned in like goo in the goo.

1250
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,000
Yeah.

1251
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,560
And which is in the beginning of diamonds are forever.

1252
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:10,480
There's this whole like, yeah, potatoes or some shit.

1253
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:16,400
It's like this brown goo that people get put in to get like not in them in diamonds

1254
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:17,400
or forever.

1255
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:22,240
It's not cloned, but it's like facial reconstruction or body like some transformation to get turned

1256
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:23,240
into blow felt.

1257
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:27,880
Yeah, it's like turning into a person that already exists into a into a blow felt.

1258
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:33,040
Yes, but how similar is it in this movie that it's like, I'm going to create a clone in

1259
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,040
goo.

1260
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:36,040
I love it.

1261
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:37,040
I love it.

1262
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,600
All of this stuff made it was just you.

1263
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:40,800
We started this conversation.

1264
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:46,400
You talked about sci-fi and not needing a lot of effects wise, and this is exactly the

1265
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,200
point that I was I was bringing up with this whole cloning process.

1266
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:55,040
And then they give you enough and they make it almost like you don't want to see it all

1267
01:22:55,040 --> 01:23:02,040
because it looks kind of gross and weird and and you kind of like want to look away, but

1268
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:04,080
you keep you keep looking or whatever you're like.

1269
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,960
And that's again, I keep saying it before you're a sick thing where you're just like,

1270
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:07,960
oh, I don't know.

1271
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:08,960
Do I want to see this?

1272
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,920
And it's it's it's giving you like these glimpses and everything.

1273
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:18,840
And then, yeah, seeing his face and the horror that they have and the connection between

1274
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,320
this you and getting shuffled away gives you just enough of all those things.

1275
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:23,320
It gives you a little bit of horror.

1276
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:27,640
It gives you a little bit of the tantalizing sort of like nature of like getting of seeing

1277
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,000
yourself cloned.

1278
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:35,080
And then it turns violent, which says everything you need to know about the character moving

1279
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:38,400
forward is his reaction to it.

1280
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:44,240
In the cloning process, it gets very psychedelic and the music is so fucking sick.

1281
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,320
Tim Hecker love him.

1282
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:53,520
He's a he's a lot like ambient music that I listen to a lot.

1283
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:54,640
Good for reading and everything.

1284
01:23:54,640 --> 01:24:00,320
But it's like in my mind how I think of it like when I listen to his music, it is kind

1285
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,120
of like, oh, yeah.

1286
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:08,720
You see here, here, a wall of sound you think of like, you know, more like the whatever a

1287
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:20,760
lot of it, but this is more kind of just like ambient, but also just like just washed out

1288
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:29,960
almost like shoe gazey, but electronic sort of sounds that kind of meditative and sometimes

1289
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:36,920
have more of a beat, but other times really are just an atmosphere that it puts you in

1290
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:40,440
experimental for sure.

1291
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:45,520
But how do you say like Daniel Lopton only had tricks point nowhere like the uncut gems

1292
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:51,680
and everything and and using these types of guys for like the Softie Brothers and Cronenberg

1293
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,800
using these guys for their music and everything.

1294
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:56,040
I fucking love it.

1295
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,640
And I know we've talked about Fincher and everything as well.

1296
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:03,280
And not to say that he's the first guy to do it or anything, but his use of the, you

1297
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:11,960
know, nine inch nails guys and Resner and Atticus and like that adding to the soundscape

1298
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:18,040
of everything is changes everything about the movie.

1299
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:19,040
It blows your mind.

1300
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:27,000
The audit auditory, the sound design of everything just can change change everything that you

1301
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,560
experience throughout.

1302
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:33,480
So definitely worth mentioning.

1303
01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:37,520
Another thing about that drugs, all that music for that part too, just amazing.

1304
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:39,560
Oh yeah.

1305
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,720
He sees a naked woman.

1306
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,160
Do you think that's Mia got like why?

1307
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,680
Why in that transformation and going through that process?

1308
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,080
He sees a naked woman.

1309
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:49,520
I was kind of confused by that.

1310
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:56,600
I didn't understand like because it's obviously like he's kind of turned on or there's a sexuality

1311
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:03,480
to it, but I just, I was kind of confused by why include a naked woman in that process.

1312
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:07,080
Yeah, I'm not sure.

1313
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:15,040
All of the weird stuff that they're doing to fuck with them makes me just want to start

1314
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:21,840
theorizing about stuff and thinking that she somehow paid dude off to see the process or

1315
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:27,920
fuck with him before he got executed because she was aware of everything because she was

1316
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,640
kind of orchestrating things from the beginning.

1317
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:34,640
And there could just be something that is a visual thing that's trying to express whatever

1318
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:41,120
he's going on through his subconscious about him, imagining Mia got than having a sexual

1319
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,680
fantasies about her.

1320
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:47,760
It could be simple, something more simple just like that.

1321
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:48,760
That's fair.

1322
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:53,680
But yeah, because he got the drive by Jack and earlier.

1323
01:26:53,680 --> 01:27:00,200
So, you know, he's just he's in his thoughts, thought dreams.

1324
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:10,000
And then his torso is is is splayed open by a young boy.

1325
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,040
Typical Cronenberg shit.

1326
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:13,040
Shit is upset.

1327
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:18,120
One of the most upsetting, if not the most upsetting parts of the movie, I think, because

1328
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:22,840
it's just so visceral and so repetitive.

1329
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:26,960
And as that stabbing motion escalates, you do see a fair amount.

1330
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:33,320
And I must say, I do like the color of the blood in this movie because it's like stupid

1331
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:39,840
red, dumb red, like dumb red, like fun movie red, even though what has happened is fucked

1332
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:40,840
up.

1333
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:44,360
It just adds to like, like, I don't know the really red nature of it.

1334
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:48,080
And although it's all frothy and everything, it just visually looks good.

1335
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:49,760
So that's all that matters.

1336
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:50,760
Yeah.

1337
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:56,000
And I mean, if you were to just it really continues to blow me away.

1338
01:27:56,000 --> 01:28:01,200
If I were to just think about that scene and all the parts that comprise it is there is

1339
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:11,000
a 14 year old boy stabbing a man who is a clone who is screaming out for his girlfriend

1340
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,160
because it's been explained to us that he's going to have all of the memories.

1341
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:15,160
Oh, yeah.

1342
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,320
And it's a prestige situation, my friend.

1343
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,320
And then to also

1344
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:23,760
Threat me with the time and include them watching this.

1345
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,000
I just I made the note to myself.

1346
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,240
Explaining that scene to somebody.

1347
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:28,240
Yeah.

1348
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:29,240
Oh my God.

1349
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:30,240
No.

1350
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,240
And then having him be like smiling while it's happening.

1351
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:36,400
It's just like that as a scene in itself, Kronenberg, me must be like, yeah, this is

1352
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:37,400
yeah, yeah, yeah.

1353
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:38,400
This is it.

1354
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,400
Right.

1355
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:46,240
But the question I had for you was in that situation for scars, scars sitting on the

1356
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,200
bleachers and sitting there.

1357
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,920
Who do you think that if you were to just pick, who do you think that's more difficult

1358
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,920
for to watch?

1359
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:59,720
Well he seemed to be tantalized by because he was smiling by the end.

1360
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:03,880
So within that character's mind.

1361
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:08,560
And that was a point of contention later between them was she was like, I don't know how you

1362
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:14,640
could just stand there and be so, you know, just let my mind about that scene.

1363
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,440
Okay, what's what's your thing?

1364
01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:20,960
Is that scene reminded me when they're in the bed talking about it of I think you should

1365
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,720
leave that where everything reminds you.

1366
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,400
I know, I know, but hear me out.

1367
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:31,000
Hear me out that bit and I think you should leave where they go to the like comedian or

1368
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:37,080
magician and then Tim goes up and they he like makes fun of his like dick or something

1369
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:45,760
like that and then they then it cuts to them in bed together and then Cecil Strong, I can't

1370
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:51,960
remember her how to pronounce her name, Cecilie Strong is the wife and then she so there,

1371
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:57,240
you know, Tim gets into bed and his notices that she's kind of despondent just like them

1372
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:01,920
in the movie and then she says nothing and then he kind of presses her is like, what's

1373
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:08,280
going on and then she tells them like, I can't believe you let that comedian make fun of

1374
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,280
in front of everybody.

1375
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:14,720
And then she just goes on this whole tirade of like, do you have a baby dick?

1376
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:16,200
Do you have a baby dick?

1377
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,840
Because it's you know, I sounds like Jada Pinkett's.

1378
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:20,840
I know, right?

1379
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:21,840
Yeah.

1380
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:22,840
And there's a part of it.

1381
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,160
Yeah, it just it totally made me think of that.

1382
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:32,360
I'm to keep my fucking name out of their fucking mouth.

1383
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:33,360
So I'm sorry.

1384
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,760
Yeah, I know a lot of things make me think of I think you should leave.

1385
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:41,880
But that moment where she's like, I can't believe you just like sat there and watch

1386
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:46,720
because again, it's like it's not like I had a fucking choice.

1387
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:52,440
No, but I mean, she she must have glanced over and saw a smirk because it's a very he

1388
01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:56,400
was like he was not shine away, he was not like kind of like not wanting to look like

1389
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:57,400
her or anything.

1390
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,880
I'm sure she liked to look away and he was just eyes are just like wide open.

1391
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,520
And he's like smiling of it.

1392
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,640
And she's like, what?

1393
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:10,640
And then he gets his little urn and he's just like, he, he, he, he.

1394
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:17,160
And I also want to say that actor for the boy really good because when he comes back

1395
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:22,880
up later, his face is terrifying for that dream sequence.

1396
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:23,880
Oh my God.

1397
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:28,280
That was so scary how they shot the camera was looking down at him.

1398
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,840
So it just showed the shadows of his forehead and his nose and everything.

1399
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:36,480
And his smile was like Grinch likes stretch on his face.

1400
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,880
And so yeah, great performance by him.

1401
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,680
But man, they made him look scary.

1402
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:45,520
And when he came up to to stab him or whatever in that in that dream sequence.

1403
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:50,400
So definitely like horrific elements, those and two of them involving that boy.

1404
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,360
Oh, really scary.

1405
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:56,880
But this is where, yeah, whatever sort of passive passive aggressive sort of things

1406
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:03,480
between the two of them reach ahead as they try to leave.

1407
01:32:03,480 --> 01:32:09,040
He doesn't have his passport, which you find out later he hid.

1408
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,760
Is that what that was?

1409
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:12,760
Okay.

1410
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:13,760
That's the implication.

1411
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:14,760
Yeah.

1412
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:18,720
And then he didn't know how much he transitioned already to that place when he saw it happen.

1413
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:25,120
Like he came home obstensively and then hid the passport and then pretended to look for

1414
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,520
it and then explained to his wife like, I don't know.

1415
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:29,440
I don't know where it went.

1416
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:30,440
I don't know.

1417
01:32:30,440 --> 01:32:31,440
I'm sorry.

1418
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:33,040
If you want to if you want to leave without me, then go for it.

1419
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:38,200
And he wants to stay and get weird with Mia goth and and see how how far you can take

1420
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:42,800
it if you're loathing in Leetoka.

1421
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:43,800
Yes.

1422
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:50,560
I mean, this is where like I'm just like constantly they're doubling down and as am

1423
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:56,600
I as the audience viewer in in what they're throwing at me and curious this early in the

1424
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:57,600
movie too.

1425
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,920
And I know this has already been a pretty long discussion just this far, but it's just

1426
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:01,920
this kind of movie.

1427
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:06,800
But I'm in and I'm curious how long they can withstand this steam.

1428
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:14,360
And for me, as it goes along, I think it does. And I think the, you know, at this next portion,

1429
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:20,600
I'd say is when he's getting along with the crew being hazed a little.

1430
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,080
He's super hardcore.

1431
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:25,720
He's later, which is the following is the falling out of it.

1432
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,880
But coming into it, he's he's interested.

1433
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:32,760
You find out later that is very purposeful that he's staying there.

1434
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:39,200
And all the stuff about him doing this stuff for a passport as well.

1435
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:41,560
You start to retroactively think about that.

1436
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,600
And I love that the movie doesn't make you like, oh, yeah.

1437
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:45,600
And you remember that one part we said that.

1438
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,560
Well, also, he didn't even need to pass for it.

1439
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,240
Like they just show the password in the bathroom.

1440
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:54,080
But the guy tells him his buddy can get him a new password.

1441
01:33:54,080 --> 01:34:00,800
And they just want to go to, is it like the mayor of the town?

1442
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,520
Yeah, or the owner of the room.

1443
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:05,640
Or one of the two.

1444
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:10,800
OK, and steal has like a ward that he got for a good public service or some shit.

1445
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:16,280
Like a very heinous fucked up thing to do to somebody who is

1446
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:21,760
a good community member for this place that you're visiting.

1447
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:26,280
It's like the most fucked up thing that they're like just floating by him.

1448
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:30,000
And they have they pull out a gun while he's in the bathroom as well.

1449
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:33,720
And they're just in there and they is that's where they pull it up to him.

1450
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:34,640
Is what they have the gun.

1451
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,000
They kind of threaten them to do it as well.

1452
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,040
Yeah. So things are getting weird quick.

1453
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:41,160
Yeah, things are getting very weird.

1454
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,280
And so, yeah, and they already have the conversation of like you could you could

1455
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:47,120
be the clone like or you could be the real one.

1456
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,600
They have a cool shop behind this when that happens. Yeah.

1457
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:51,680
They do positive that idea.

1458
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:56,440
I mean, just similarly to the extent of knowledge that they have about the place

1459
01:34:56,440 --> 01:34:59,560
that they're at in the surrounding area and also just there.

1460
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:03,520
Their overall opinion about the people there and how much they're,

1461
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:05,920
you know, better than them.

1462
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:07,960
It really is.

1463
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:14,480
Yeah, it's just a very clear plotting of this person is important to these people.

1464
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:18,600
But we also know that the people here aren't taken care of very well.

1465
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:19,840
So like.

1466
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,960
Kind of fuck this guy or like let's fuck with him.

1467
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:27,120
And then also, too, there's an implication when he gets there.

1468
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:31,840
He's like having sex with some girl like maybe a prostitute.

1469
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,400
I like I don't I don't quite know.

1470
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,480
But like it does kind of like.

1471
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:42,520
Suggest that this guy might be almost not like a corrupt politician.

1472
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:43,720
Like a corrupt politician.

1473
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:44,960
Yeah, but who knows.

1474
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,440
And they're not the ones.

1475
01:35:46,440 --> 01:35:50,080
Yeah, that would know or judge or whatever.

1476
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,080
I forget what their beef is with.

1477
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:53,760
Do they do?

1478
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:59,320
Do they have like any sort of specific issue with or is it just to fuck with them?

1479
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:00,160
I feel like.

1480
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:05,080
Or maybe they like he like sentence sentence them in the past

1481
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:06,720
and they're trying to get back at him.

1482
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:08,120
I was trying to remember exactly.

1483
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:09,680
It's just so rushed.

1484
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,320
They they threaten him with the gun while they're there.

1485
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:16,240
It really just seems like they're there to get their kicks off

1486
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:21,680
in like a funny game sort of way where they strip him down and tie him up.

1487
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:22,680
Yeah.

1488
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:33,080
And Mia got threat like is trying to egg Jamesy on to execute them.

1489
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:37,400
And it's all just they're all just not giving a single fuck

1490
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:41,080
and being and having a good time while doing all of this.

1491
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,840
Then it turns into like an action scene for a second

1492
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,680
because it gets stormed by by the cops.

1493
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:49,800
Right. And like in a shot.

1494
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,840
But Mia got this like screaming and she's so good.

1495
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:55,400
She's so good.

1496
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:56,400
It's like, oh, my.

1497
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,760
Oh, just her face is amazing.

1498
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:03,600
And her her dude gets shot, I think.

1499
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:04,600
But they.

1500
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,120
Yeah, they all the leg right.

1501
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,000
Yeah. But they all get rounded up.

1502
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:14,840
And this is the second cloning and where they all get executed together.

1503
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:16,600
And I and I just strike.

1504
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:21,480
This is this is again, prestige level element to this movie as well.

1505
01:37:21,480 --> 01:37:25,800
This movie kind of has everything because it's the whole.

1506
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:31,200
Idea of you never know if you're going to be the one in the box or the one,

1507
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:33,160
you know, and on the stage taking the bow.

1508
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:38,640
And this is the one where they were the ones to be executed.

1509
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:42,040
And then the final, you know, rush moment of looking up

1510
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:45,000
and seeing them all clapping and and happy and everything

1511
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:48,280
cinematically works really well.

1512
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:53,560
Justifies, you know, the true like treachery of this crew

1513
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:59,800
and shows that shows that side of things were like, oh, they're going to do it

1514
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:00,480
a second time.

1515
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:02,280
Like, oh, why are we doing a second time?

1516
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:07,560
But there's reasons for this in the screenplay to ramp it up with the second.

1517
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:10,240
Way of portraying it differently.

1518
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:16,620
differently. And then through this process, you get the, yeah, true

1519
01:38:16,620 --> 01:38:20,320
splintering with him and his, his wife, where he comes back with a second,

1520
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:25,980
she's gone. She's out of there, right? Is around when she leaves. And then

1521
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:31,400
he really don't, he really like commits to the crew. And that's where they

1522
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:37,160
kind of stab him in the back through, you know, really uncool hazing ritual.

1523
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:40,800
Everything was cool up to that point. He is. He's totally down with everything.

1524
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:44,680
And then he's, then he saw the news. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1525
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:48,120
I'm not going to piss on myself, guys.

1526
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:50,400
Do that enough already.

1527
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:52,760
Is what he said. Yeah.

1528
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:59,680
I mean, this movie is working up to the point of all of these other people

1529
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:06,680
who are just corrupting or helping in the transformation of Alexander Skarsgar

1530
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:11,960
to be like them. And we reach ahead, which is like the final test.

1531
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:16,880
This is like, can you, can you kill yourself? You know, and it's so like

1532
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,080
metaphorical, right? And you just reach ahead.

1533
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:26,320
Reach a point in this movie where, yeah, it's this is it. This is the final test.

1534
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,320
And yeah, he fails that, right?

1535
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:35,120
I like how the rules aren't steadfast or ironclad or anything.

1536
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:38,960
It's just like these weirdos that are just kind of like, yeah, this is how we

1537
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:42,440
celebrate a vacation and like, oh, we all did this. You got to do it too.

1538
01:39:42,440 --> 01:39:46,720
Almost like a fraternity or something that's like slowly forming into a cult.

1539
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:53,240
But and Mia got just being like some weird de facto leader of it all because

1540
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:56,720
she's just an actress that can just speak the loudest. It really just seems as

1541
01:39:56,720 --> 01:40:00,560
far as it goes. Like she's she's good at public speaking, according to her.

1542
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,640
She can get the loudest of them all.

1543
01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:09,640
But they're all just like using him as to get their kicks as well.

1544
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:11,240
He still is outside of the crew.

1545
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:15,320
They don't. And this is, yeah, like you're saying, the final sort of process

1546
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:19,400
to get him in. You rejects it. This is where he tries to leave.

1547
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,440
Third act, I'd say, is beginning here.

1548
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:27,560
And when he's leaving the bus and there was another shot when you're talking

1549
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:30,880
about the focus that I thought they did a really cool job of him rounding

1550
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:32,240
the bend in the bus.

1551
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:38,160
The focus switched from the scenery to the bus to just like the middle

1552
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:42,000
ground of the bus to just really fluid motion, which was only like a three

1553
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:47,240
second shot, whatever. And to just, you know, have that be a part of the tapestries

1554
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:51,520
is something that just shows the other control of the subtlety of the director

1555
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:55,000
and everything. And you feel that kind of breath of a moment, like,

1556
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,720
you know, the tension of him leaving, but then like, am I actually going to get

1557
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:02,960
away? And you know that, like, something's going to go wrong and it surely does.

1558
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,880
And this is some of the best for Mia goth is where she's threatened him to come

1559
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,800
out of the bus and Jamesy Jamesy.

1560
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:12,040
Straying. Yeah.

1561
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:14,000
Bring the trade of whatever, like.

1562
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:15,800
Little snowy.

1563
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:16,480
Take this whatever.

1564
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:19,280
So all the weird shit she says, these are some weird stuff.

1565
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:21,920
And.

1566
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:24,680
Then the walk.

1567
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:27,840
I just it's fun to kind of go through the motions of this movie a bit.

1568
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,520
Sorry if it's a drag, but just him him walking back with the with the car

1569
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,600
and everything running into the into the bush and getting shot.

1570
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:39,480
All all really good and still ramping up in my mind.

1571
01:41:39,480 --> 01:41:41,680
I'm not checked out at any point of this.

1572
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:46,560
And then being presented, you know, he he goes and escapes away

1573
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,600
in this little little shack or whatever.

1574
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:50,960
It has a fucking terrifying dream.

1575
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:54,720
Yeah, it might be the scariest, the scariest moments for me as well.

1576
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:59,760
And then, yeah, is presented once again, finally with.

1577
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:04,840
You know, the test to kill himself.

1578
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:08,200
I guess we didn't mention the drug scene earlier.

1579
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:10,400
I just got to mention that was really fucking cool.

1580
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,640
All the visuals of that and everything and how they take the drug and the root

1581
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:14,640
and all that.

1582
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:19,480
That is what he's been huffing this clone and they got him.

1583
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:25,040
Just like a dog and he's a dog and he's on a leash chanting Tatum style.

1584
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:26,200
And like, this is the end.

1585
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:27,880
And.

1586
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:32,320
What a fucking, yeah, final moment.

1587
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:34,240
Showdown of the movie.

1588
01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:37,480
It's it's interesting to go through the motion again of explaining it

1589
01:42:37,480 --> 01:42:42,680
because it's such a weird, fresh idea of like, yeah, so his clone dog

1590
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:44,000
form huffing the drug.

1591
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:45,320
He's got a kid.

1592
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:46,440
It's like such a weird.

1593
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:51,160
Try to explain to somebody as like who had never seen this movie.

1594
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:54,880
Just like, you know, like I'm saying in the playground, you're talking about

1595
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:55,880
scanners. Oh, yeah.

1596
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:56,880
Have you seen it?

1597
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:58,360
Philip is pretty cool.

1598
01:42:58,360 --> 01:42:59,360
I mean, I've seen it.

1599
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:00,360
I've seen it.

1600
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:01,360
I've seen it.

1601
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:02,360
I've seen it.

1602
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:03,360
I've seen it.

1603
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:04,840
What is pretty cool?

1604
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:10,680
But again, it's got to kill his dog clone self and they wrestle for a bit.

1605
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:15,800
And I thought all of that, how they edit amazing editing for the stunt double

1606
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:21,000
and him to have that the tussle just impeccable and.

1607
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:25,120
Scars guard to commit to the part of being a dog.

1608
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:30,520
It's just the commitment is adds to it so much.

1609
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:34,200
And the implication doesn't.

1610
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,080
And what do you what do you think of the ending in this movie?

1611
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:36,880
Yeah, I was going to ask.

1612
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:37,880
Yeah.

1613
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:43,840
So he kills his dog version because his dog version is trying to kill him.

1614
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:45,080
So out of.

1615
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:46,920
So he finally makes kind of a decision.

1616
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,320
Yeah, because he's been pushed to the point or whatever.

1617
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,760
It's just the implications of the ending.

1618
01:43:53,760 --> 01:44:00,360
Man are so like payoff in such a like in a multitude of ways where.

1619
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:05,120
He is initiated, but not in the way that they want him to.

1620
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:11,160
He has beaten himself, which is a conflict that has been a part of this movie.

1621
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:17,880
And there's just there's just a bunch of things that are implied by him

1622
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:19,680
killing himself in that moment.

1623
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:23,640
And that's really just a credit to the movie to be able to set up like.

1624
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:29,480
With this action, all of these things now have closed or become true.

1625
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:36,880
Whether that's the logic of that, the screenplay and the story of the movie

1626
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:42,160
to end on that note works within the logic of this weird fucking group.

1627
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:47,520
Is that being the final final act works for whatever reason

1628
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:50,560
that you're not going to get fully explained, but she's like, this is the final

1629
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:51,880
to OK, whatever it doesn't.

1630
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:52,680
There's no rule book.

1631
01:44:52,680 --> 01:44:53,600
There's no like what it is.

1632
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,000
Just this is what we do because this is what we do.

1633
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:04,440
And it is so again, thrown away that the next day, driving back and everything,

1634
01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:08,560
they're just right back to normalcy and talking about their day to day.

1635
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:09,920
There's a breastfeeding thing.

1636
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:11,680
I forgot to mention that.

1637
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:12,520
Forgot to mention that.

1638
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:13,480
Yeah.

1639
01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:16,000
That's a big moment where I'm.

1640
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,200
I'm already just at the edge of my seat.

1641
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:21,440
And then that moment fucking happens because she rubs the blood.

1642
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:25,840
The blood of the dead and he doesn't like resign to it.

1643
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,800
He like gets into it.

1644
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:30,400
And I'm like just like.

1645
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:35,200
Oh, I think it was a nice.

1646
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:41,040
Oh, yeah.

1647
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,440
Just completely flabbergasted.

1648
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:46,440
Acid, my own mind blown, which.

1649
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:49,320
In a satisfying way, though, I don't know.

1650
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:53,600
There's like another there's another movie which was a fine movie.

1651
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:58,160
It was pretty good, but I'm not sure if I would see it again and went so far with

1652
01:45:58,160 --> 01:46:03,200
like the allegory and everything that it was just like being in my head

1653
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,960
against the wall a little bit was men.

1654
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:07,800
The movie, the movie Men.

1655
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:12,680
Sure. And by the end of that movie, I was just like, like, OK, like this is

1656
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:16,120
this is too much, but this is just does it in spurts.

1657
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,720
It is meaningful.

1658
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:26,240
What's happening in a way, like at least to the character that is doing it.

1659
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:30,280
And the ideas all check out within.

1660
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:33,920
The escalation of everything.

1661
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:37,120
And by the time it relieves itself.

1662
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,200
You I think the loops are pretty much closed.

1663
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:46,000
Then again, logic of the movie, logic of the crew, like it's it's close for him.

1664
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:50,680
The only thing is he has the kind of graduate, the graduate moment

1665
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:53,240
writing back on the bus, you know, where he's just kind of like.

1666
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,760
Oh, darkness, my friend.

1667
01:46:57,320 --> 01:47:01,120
Dude, I was really at the end of his mind is still, you know,

1668
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:02,240
because he's sitting in the rain.

1669
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:05,760
It's like in the rainy season, the rain, why they have the beautiful

1670
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:08,160
the rain washes away the thing he killed.

1671
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:09,360
He ended it with himself.

1672
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:13,400
It's like everything's being absolved in this weird fucked up sort of sort of way.

1673
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:18,600
Just like a vacation, but he's irrevocably changed.

1674
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:23,840
And I was waiting for the hokey thing of like him at like a book signing.

1675
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:26,840
Like some like Eli Roth would do or something.

1676
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:28,840
I don't know why I'm not a lot of it.

1677
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:33,840
But like he's like in his called infinity pool and he wrote the book about it or something.

1678
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:37,640
And now everybody's everybody's vacationing there and making clones of themselves.

1679
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:39,440
And it's not a secret anymore.

1680
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:41,760
And it's all like highly reviewed on the old thing you can like.

1681
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:45,160
And now it's going to be infinity pool to where there's going to be a bunch of clones

1682
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,760
and bunch of people and it is it is a worldwide cult.

1683
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:53,200
Yeah, that would also be like the ending of a M Night Shyamalan, right?

1684
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:59,000
Is just really fucking up the ending by thinking that people need

1685
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,040
that type of closure in this movie.

1686
01:48:01,200 --> 01:48:05,480
And it's it works so much better for you to go like, yeah, I don't know what's

1687
01:48:05,480 --> 01:48:08,120
going to happen to him, but he's going to forever be changed for this.

1688
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:09,280
And that's for certain.

1689
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:12,520
So yeah, Shyamalan, it's a little bit more like the artifice,

1690
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:17,520
like the the construct of the movie that he's creating, like what the whole thing means,

1691
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:19,480
like the whole world and all that.

1692
01:48:19,480 --> 01:48:25,160
What and this is just so good at putting you in the first person mind

1693
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:30,800
of how it's affecting this one person that's going through the ringer of all these experiences.

1694
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,840
And you get it get it enough just through his perspective

1695
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:38,240
and you don't have to have some ulterior character at the end.

1696
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,040
Like, OK, let me sit you down and tell you what just happened.

1697
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:46,160
Right. You just get his face just like fuck.

1698
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:47,560
And he's sitting in the rain.

1699
01:48:47,560 --> 01:48:50,000
He says, mine is still there's I don't know.

1700
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:52,920
It's it's a. No, you're totally right.

1701
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:54,840
I'm also thinking like.

1702
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:58,640
Like an M Night Shyamalan ending would be is like then it pans to

1703
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:04,080
the signage of the building that the cloning is in.

1704
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:06,960
And it's like U.S.

1705
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:11,600
Biotics or something like that, you know, they show like the

1706
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:17,520
yeah, like the the bottom of like the lab or whatever and all like the backup clones are there.

1707
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:24,360
And all the people working at the lab are like clones of of they all become like slaves.

1708
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:28,800
And the island like runs on clone slave labor.

1709
01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:33,080
This movie smartly doesn't have any of that.

1710
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:37,480
And that's why we are even though incredibly disturbed.

1711
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:41,320
It sounds like you feel similarly to me.

1712
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:43,320
I'm like, that was a pretty good fucking movie.

1713
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:45,400
I had a great time.

1714
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:47,600
It was fucking weird. And I loved it.

1715
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,120
I kind of fucking loved it.

1716
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:55,360
I kind of just like loved being thrown off and surprised

1717
01:49:55,880 --> 01:50:01,000
throughout the entire thing, just constantly surprised of what was going to happen next.

1718
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:03,520
I feel like that doesn't happen too often.

1719
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:06,360
And sometimes when it does, it's not for the best.

1720
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:10,520
Like, you know, you and I threw on under the Silver Lake the other day.

1721
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:15,800
And that's one where you're like, OK, this is kind of maybe this is going to be fun weird.

1722
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:17,200
Oh, maybe this is going to be like so bad.

1723
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:20,360
It's good and it kind of is and it kind of isn't.

1724
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:22,160
And then by the end, it's just a fucking drag.

1725
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,400
And there's and there's things that just fall flat in their face

1726
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:30,360
when they're trying to get so up there, up there about about things like velvet buzz.

1727
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:33,160
So I was almost thinking of that when you were watching under the Silver Lake,

1728
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:35,600
where you definitely want to like it.

1729
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:40,640
But this has for all the big ideas and weird shit that happens.

1730
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:45,400
It's somehow subtle to and also like unique and in your face

1731
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:49,680
and risky with its artistic choices, great performances,

1732
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:55,560
artistic cinematography, amazing music and sound design.

1733
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:59,000
How can I not? How could I not like it?

1734
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:03,480
And so cool to know little

1735
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:09,720
Baby Cronenberg is doing weird stuff, too.

1736
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:13,400
I love it. Yeah, I agree.

1737
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,160
It's a it's a good time.

1738
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:17,280
I'm excited about his next movie.

1739
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:22,240
Same, dude. And I want to go back and watch some more of his older stuff.

1740
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:25,920
And then stuff I I've been wanting to watch possessor.

1741
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:28,200
I've heard that was really good.

1742
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:33,360
And the whole concept seems really interesting and weird body horror sort of stuff.

1743
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:37,760
Yeah, antiviral broken tulips is a short.

1744
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,640
That's a short.

1745
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:41,120
Yeah, he's still still very new.

1746
01:51:41,120 --> 01:51:47,560
I possessor seems to be the the other one that's gotten gotten buzz as well.

1747
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:51,200
And that's like, oh, yeah, body, body, switch and stuff.

1748
01:51:51,480 --> 01:51:57,200
All right. Well, this is the portion where we hear enough from us for now

1749
01:51:57,200 --> 01:52:01,240
and start to hear a little bit from those people that are deciding

1750
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:04,880
what goes on our podcast, the audiences and the critics

1751
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:08,040
and their disagreement of said movies.

1752
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:09,560
We good.

1753
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:11,720
You want to take a little break?

1754
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:14,400
Yep. But before we get into that, let's take a quick break.

1755
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:15,920
Break time.

1756
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:17,920
We will return.

1757
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:22,320
And welcome back, everybody.

1758
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:26,840
Thank you so much for joining us on this very special infinity pool app.

1759
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:30,880
But now we get to the the.

1760
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:35,680
Point where we bring up those numbers once again to remind everybody

1761
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:38,080
why we are here.

1762
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:40,680
Mm hmm. People don't agree on this movie.

1763
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:43,960
We may have said everything we feel about it,

1764
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:47,680
but many people don't feel the same way.

1765
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:51,720
The critics, for example, on Ron Tomatoes

1766
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:56,280
have come to a consensus 87 percent certified fresh.

1767
01:52:56,960 --> 01:52:59,760
The audience and not so much.

1768
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:04,160
They're feeling the the wintery cold.

1769
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:08,920
Oh, 52. Oh, not not feeling it very much.

1770
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:14,240
They're not into the infinity pool, but we're going to take a sampling

1771
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:16,920
of those reviews. Let's check out some critics.

1772
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,040
Words about this movie.

1773
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:24,400
See what they have to say from Peter Bradshaw at the Guardian.

1774
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,880
It's a movie straining for more than its achieving moment by moment.

1775
01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:31,200
But goth is toxic energy always holds the attention.

1776
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:33,760
And praising the performance.

1777
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:35,120
Hey, wait, wait a second.

1778
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:38,960
I hear something like that chewing something and I don't like it.

1779
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:42,840
Sorry, Luna, I'm going to get you.

1780
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:46,080
OK, and I'm not editing editing this out, by the way.

1781
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:47,520
Oh, please don't.

1782
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:51,440
I just she's on my desk these days and I heard a chewing near the PC.

1783
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:54,280
So now it's going to be a thing.

1784
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:56,880
You just can't give her anything. Huh. Oh, Luna. OK.

1785
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,240
You're in the podcast and are you happy? OK.

1786
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:02,560
That was Peter Bradshaw.

1787
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:04,560
What do we got from?

1788
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:07,960
Christie Puchko, Mashable,

1789
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:12,600
if any pool will make you squirm, but without the release of a climactic punch line.

1790
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:16,240
Instead, the satire of wealth and privilege will leave you stranded in its putrid

1791
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:19,560
buck, but perhaps smiling at the sheer gall of its horror.

1792
01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:24,560
Hmm. So critics are still providing a little bit of criticism

1793
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:29,600
along with their praise from Peter Howell at the Toronto Star.

1794
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:31,960
Oh, OK.

1795
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:34,680
Just I like to get the whole sample and.

1796
01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:37,560
No, this is because these contribute to the scores.

1797
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:39,760
So there is as viable as anybody.

1798
01:54:40,440 --> 01:54:42,920
Also to Cronenberg is Canadian.

1799
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:45,800
That's right. And this is a Canadian Croatian.

1800
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:48,480
Or some of the things at the beginning.

1801
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:53,400
Brandon Cronenberg delivers the shivers and more than a few

1802
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:58,880
WTF moments with a vacation inferno creeper that gnaws at the mind.

1803
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,320
Three out of four.

1804
01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:03,960
Let's see what David Sims at the Atlantic has to say.

1805
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,760
The premise of Infinity Pool was deliciously nasty enough

1806
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:11,080
to keep me invested for most of its nearly two hour running time.

1807
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:17,320
But at a certain point, every list, every last bit of allegory has been killed as well.

1808
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:22,440
So it's.

1809
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:26,720
There's some there's some there they're understanding that it's not for everybody.

1810
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:29,360
Is I get what the critics are singing like.

1811
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:34,040
I like it, but maybe not for everybody is kind of a little bit of tinge of some of these

1812
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:37,000
from Jeanette Katzola's at New York Times.

1813
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:40,080
Soaked in an atmosphere of unrelenting dread.

1814
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:45,360
Infinity Pool works its canted camera angles in insistent drumbeat heavy score

1815
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:47,440
to transfixing effect.

1816
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,000
Hmm.

1817
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,400
That's accurate.

1818
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:52,720
Yeah, nice to highlight the score.

1819
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:54,960
You don't see that too often.

1820
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:57,840
From Michael Phillips, Chicago Tribune, three and a half out of four.

1821
01:55:57,840 --> 01:55:59,080
This will be the last one.

1822
01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:03,240
Kronenberg knows what he's doing, and this is his most assured act

1823
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:06,200
of science fiction effrontery to date.

1824
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:11,120
Oh, yeah. So he's getting better.

1825
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:12,360
That's amazing.

1826
01:56:14,200 --> 01:56:15,000
I'll do one more.

1827
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:17,240
This one seems Ed gives from time out.

1828
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:18,440
This will be the last one.

1829
01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:24,120
It's one hell of a twisted ride with a troop of truly awful characters as our guide.

1830
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:29,760
It's damn near unmissable and from a safe distance, addictive as all hell.

1831
01:56:30,920 --> 01:56:32,840
Wow, that guy seems like a good time.

1832
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:34,560
Or is that was that a woman? I'm sorry.

1833
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:36,920
It was Ed Gibbs from time out.

1834
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:40,160
You dog. It's Ed. It's a little Ed.

1835
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:45,840
Let's check out some audience reviews from the not so much feeling at range.

1836
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:50,800
Let's see what they have to say from Chance Denault gave it a one star.

1837
01:56:52,440 --> 01:56:57,600
It seems like the horror movie genre is not aimed at being legitimate, terrifying anymore.

1838
01:56:57,600 --> 01:57:01,840
I've seen so many things that the general public rave about and say the best scary

1839
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:05,280
movie I've ever seen, not aimed at this movie to be sure.

1840
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:10,280
But I think starting with one of my favorite scary movies, hereditary.

1841
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:14,760
Hereditary had a good mix between being a bit confusing at times

1842
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,000
and being actually scary.

1843
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:21,800
Infinity Pool has abandoned all tracks of what makes a good scary movie by throwing a random

1844
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:24,040
chain of events at you.

1845
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:28,240
Adding a bit of gore and paying someone to label it as a horror film.

1846
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:33,040
I stayed throughout the movie because I figured there has to be some sort of connection at the end,

1847
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:35,480
some grand reveal and there was.

1848
01:57:35,480 --> 01:57:39,320
Everyone involved in this movie had no idea where it was going either.

1849
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:42,880
Whoever presented this storyboard is lazy.

1850
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:45,680
And whoever approved it is insane.

1851
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:49,480
At least I'll be able to tell other people not to waste their time.

1852
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:58,480
People people are totally going to have an issue with this being so classified as a horror movie.

1853
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:00,400
That yes, for sure.

1854
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:03,360
But also the way that it ends as well, right?

1855
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,560
Because there isn't such a clean ending.

1856
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:08,480
It's just it's pretty ambiguous.

1857
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:12,080
They want to get to the bottom and they probably want their protagonist to be like,

1858
01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:19,480
I'm going to stick up for myself and I'm going to go to the clone factory and take him out and

1859
01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:23,480
fuck up this crew and get my wife back.

1860
01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:27,480
From Kimberly Richards, one star out of five.

1861
01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:32,480
I have never been more upset in my entire life.

1862
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:33,480
Here we go.

1863
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:35,480
This is what I was waiting for.

1864
01:58:35,480 --> 01:58:38,480
This upset her more than anything in her entirely.

1865
01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:43,280
This movie accomplished was making me feel extremely uncomfortable and confused.

1866
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:48,280
Absolutely no plot, just violence and unnecessary nudity with disturbing,

1867
01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:52,280
perverse visuals of body bodily secretions.

1868
01:58:52,280 --> 01:58:55,280
Not to mention, I know what's she's talking about.

1869
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:59,280
Not to mention the fact that my partner and I had to choose to watch this movie or

1870
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:04,480
outdoor movie night where we take the TV out on our balcony that faces the street

1871
01:59:04,480 --> 01:59:07,080
and put them together on our outdoor couch.

1872
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:09,080
Oh, balcony movie.

1873
01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:12,080
That's a was it been from blank check.

1874
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:13,080
Oh, yeah.

1875
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:15,080
I was like a porch movie.

1876
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:16,080
Yeah.

1877
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:17,080
How am I now?

1878
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:22,080
I am absolutely horrified that a neighbor could have seen one the many of one the many

1879
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:24,080
obscene and grotesque scenes in this movie.

1880
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:28,080
And now they think that they live next to a couple of mentally disturbed freaks.

1881
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:31,080
We were too busy trying to shield our own eyes from the horror.

1882
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:36,080
We didn't even have time to find the remote to fast forward or throw a blanket over the TV.

1883
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:37,080
I was horrified.

1884
01:59:37,080 --> 01:59:42,080
I wish I could give this movie negative stars because it truly made me feel disgusted and

1885
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:44,080
had absolutely no plot.

1886
01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:49,080
It was nothing like the description and I will never not be upset about the fact that

1887
01:59:49,080 --> 01:59:56,080
I wasted two hours of my life and six dollars on my money on this.

1888
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:59,080
Just don't watch this movie in a public place.

1889
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:01,080
Just a quick record.

1890
02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:06,080
It's just a quick record to that person is if the movies rated are maybe consider a different

1891
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:09,080
movie for your your lawn outdoor movie.

1892
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:15,080
You know, if it's rated are pass it, you know, man, I really wanted to watch when we were

1893
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:17,080
like taking a flight when we did our cancun flight.

1894
02:00:17,080 --> 02:00:20,080
I want to like, oh, I kind of want to watch a Finchy Finchy movie.

1895
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:21,080
Oh, sure.

1896
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:25,080
But I was like, some of these that I'm on, like, I'm not sure it'd be appropriate.

1897
02:00:25,080 --> 02:00:30,080
And you just got to find the appropriate time to to watch a movie.

1898
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:34,080
That's not going to hit a situation like that on my flight as well, where I watched

1899
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:38,080
Booksmart and that has that's a good movie.

1900
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:44,080
It's a good movie, but it's got a couple of scenes where I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

1901
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:45,080
yeah.

1902
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:48,080
That was a Godfather meet for me recently.

1903
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:49,080
It was a long, pretty long flight.

1904
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:54,080
I'm like, I don't fucking sit down for sitting for Godfather and there's a topless moment

1905
02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:55,080
that I've completely forgotten about.

1906
02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:57,080
I was like, oh, I guess I'll pass or whatever.

1907
02:00:57,080 --> 02:00:59,080
But that's a good one to just.

1908
02:00:59,080 --> 02:01:02,080
I think my next flight I'm going to I'm going to watch Killers of the Flower.

1909
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:05,080
Just sit in.

1910
02:01:05,080 --> 02:01:09,080
Let's do some more reviews here from the audience.

1911
02:01:09,080 --> 02:01:13,080
Just a few more from Galactic Cat one star.

1912
02:01:13,080 --> 02:01:16,080
I'd give zero stars if I could.

1913
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:20,080
I've never had a movie that made me so physically unable to watch it.

1914
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:24,080
The suspenseful music at the beginning goes on forever so you don't feel shocked when

1915
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:27,080
the first killing takes place.

1916
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:32,080
The orgy scene like most of the scenes doesn't need to be drawn out as long as it did.

1917
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:35,080
Worst movie ever.

1918
02:01:35,080 --> 02:01:37,080
From Dakota Davis, a one star.

1919
02:01:37,080 --> 02:01:43,080
I honestly had to force myself to keep watching this drivel because I thought Alexander Skarsgard

1920
02:01:43,080 --> 02:01:46,080
would not make such a disaster of a movie.

1921
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:47,080
But he did.

1922
02:01:47,080 --> 02:01:55,080
It's soft morick predictable and mature and just because it's made by a Cronenberg doesn't

1923
02:01:55,080 --> 02:01:58,080
mean it's going to be good.

1924
02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:59,080
Apparently.

1925
02:01:59,080 --> 02:02:02,080
I want the time I want this movie back.

1926
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:04,080
Plot was predictable.

1927
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,080
Sex scenes were laughable and over the top.

1928
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:10,080
In general, it's best to just let this one pass on by.

1929
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:16,080
Next time I see Alexander Skarsgard in a movie, I'll know that it doesn't mean it's good.

1930
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:19,080
Same with Brandon Cronenberg.

1931
02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:23,080
If I could drop this rating to a zero, I would.

1932
02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:26,080
A lot of people not happy with that.

1933
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:28,080
They only have the one star.

1934
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:31,080
I'm sure you can't do negative or zero.

1935
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:37,080
Or they want their time back, which is such a bizarre concept to me that how like 20 minutes

1936
02:02:37,080 --> 02:02:41,080
into this movie, you don't just make the decision like, I know, okay, let's not do this.

1937
02:02:41,080 --> 02:02:42,080
You know, right?

1938
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:45,080
Like it presents its answer, right?

1939
02:02:45,080 --> 02:02:51,080
They want this fucking twist thing to come somehow come together.

1940
02:02:51,080 --> 02:02:56,080
Yeah, like a Shyamalan my ding dong twist.

1941
02:02:56,080 --> 02:03:00,080
Yeah, I just I don't get it, man.

1942
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:08,080
I'll do one more JVAA one star.

1943
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:12,080
Ah, is there a sadomasochism genre?

1944
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:19,080
Sadomasochism is the pathological enjoyment from acts of inflicting and receiving pain and humiliation.

1945
02:03:19,080 --> 02:03:20,080
Thanks, buddy.

1946
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:22,080
I did not watch the entire movie.

1947
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:26,080
By the way, this movie is not a movie for empaths.

1948
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:29,080
It was disappointing and annoying.

1949
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:31,080
I have serious concerns.

1950
02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:35,080
I don't know what I have serious concerns about those who enjoy the movie.

1951
02:03:35,080 --> 02:03:37,080
I think they are reading too much into it.

1952
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:44,080
They may be reading too much into it because they are brighter than the filmmaker who they declare as a genius.

1953
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:47,080
Is this projection?

1954
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:56,080
This will never be a classic film in any genre unless there is a I want to be science fiction junk genre.

1955
02:03:56,080 --> 02:04:00,080
Oh, it was a real psychoanalyzing going on there.

1956
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:02,080
I was I was just brought up.

1957
02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:13,080
Sadomasochism gave a like a Google's definition and then said it wasn't for empaths.

1958
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:16,080
I don't know if you can make that judgment.

1959
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:18,080
No, I don't think so.

1960
02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:22,080
The movie seems, if anything, pretty empathic.

1961
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:31,080
Like empathetic in the way that the the movie like is looking at its, you know, kind of piece of shit protagonist,

1962
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:42,080
but also giving him the time and space to like make, I don't know, make or not make those decisions, which is also a decision rather than, I don't know, like we were saying earlier.

1963
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:50,080
It's just like there's a lot of other movies that will look at the whole thing, do an ensemble piece like old or something like that and make it about a lot of characters,

1964
02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:53,080
or just try to get more into the twist, more into the horror.

1965
02:04:53,080 --> 02:05:07,080
This movie gets into the the psychological dread of one character going through this process of being introduced to these science fiction ideas.

1966
02:05:07,080 --> 02:05:26,080
But then it's a sci-fi movie, but then it's done on such like a grounded level of like group think and like the pressure there and then all of course all the classism and and tourism and and taking advantage of the of

1967
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:37,080
the of the culture, all the stuff we talked about, I'm not going to get back into again. But it's able to just jump between all those ideas really well in my mind.

1968
02:05:37,080 --> 02:05:41,080
And I think for these people, it's it's the people that don't enjoy it.

1969
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:53,080
It's a lot to shift between all of those different in their minds genres because they're trying to like put it in this pigeonhole into this sort of thing they want it to be.

1970
02:05:53,080 --> 02:06:04,080
And I'm guilty, like guilty of that of plenty of movies where I'm like, I want to be this way and other people want it exactly how it is and they enjoy it for what it is.

1971
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:07,080
I would like to say that you the least guilty of that.

1972
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:13,080
I'm being empathetic Brandon, and that's speaking to an empath who fucking enjoyed this movie.

1973
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:22,080
So yeah, God, I wanted to stop you because you are selling yourself short by you go into things with such an open mind often.

1974
02:06:22,080 --> 02:06:31,080
And that is crazy to think about you being like having an internal struggle like I wanted this to be a thriller but it's a horror movie.

1975
02:06:31,080 --> 02:06:35,080
I could never really imagine you having that issue like if anything,

1976
02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:36,080
I just threw our discussions on that.

1977
02:06:36,080 --> 02:06:45,080
And I feel like I do. We do try to catch ourselves are like, yeah, it's it's we get to that point where like, oh, maybe if they did it more this way or more that way and then we usually catch ourselves where it's just kind of like,

1978
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:53,080
but that one that might present another problem in this way or or or create something else that's missing over over here.

1979
02:06:53,080 --> 02:07:02,080
So in my mind, I throughout this podcast as well, it's like I'd almost rather have a polarizing movie than like a middling magnetized movie.

1980
02:07:02,080 --> 02:07:11,080
I'd rather have it like create an effect and create the discussion that we're having today and everything and this already by the trailer.

1981
02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:22,080
I'm like, yeah, that doesn't that's not going to appeal to everybody and even Papa Cronenberg movies for sure don't appeal to everybody and I'm glad he's taking his his his daddy's footsteps and that way.

1982
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:29,080
But it more as we've said before too, it's just oh, just more for me cool, whatever.

1983
02:07:29,080 --> 02:07:30,080
I love it.

1984
02:07:30,080 --> 02:07:31,080
I love it.

1985
02:07:31,080 --> 02:07:37,080
Almost love it that much more because in and we see that too and people have to especially more audience side where they feel like they have to defend it.

1986
02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:42,080
In this case, they're attacking and they're offended that they had to waste their time.

1987
02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:47,080
But even stuff that we like, do we ever express that really like I want my time back?

1988
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:48,080
I don't know.

1989
02:07:48,080 --> 02:07:49,080
Never.

1990
02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:55,080
Well, because of foundation going through the process of this is fun enough that I never feel like to say.

1991
02:07:55,080 --> 02:07:56,080
Yeah.

1992
02:07:56,080 --> 02:08:05,080
I mean, at a bare minimum, even with the worst movies, which we just had one of the worst movies we've watched recently like.

1993
02:08:05,080 --> 02:08:10,080
To talk about it really just kind of supersedes talking about supplies.

1994
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:11,080
Yeah, I'm 100%.

1995
02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:12,080
Oh my God.

1996
02:08:12,080 --> 02:08:17,080
But that supersedes how shitty of a movie that is that I get to talk about my friend.

1997
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:18,080
Like, I don't know.

1998
02:08:18,080 --> 02:08:24,080
So yeah, I mean, this is a unique situation because not everybody is, you know, talking about an in depth with their friend.

1999
02:08:24,080 --> 02:08:28,080
You know, they're just watching it and having all these feelings about it.

2000
02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:31,080
And again, I understand too why people wouldn't like this.

2001
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:43,080
It is just fascinating, the explanations that people gave that you just said, because clearly in my mind, I was like, well, people aren't going to like the fact that it's got a lot of fucking violence and a lot of sex in it, like super.

2002
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:46,080
And it doesn't have a nice wrapped up ending.

2003
02:08:46,080 --> 02:08:52,080
Like those three things alone, I would not recommend this to certain people because of those.

2004
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:55,080
Doesn't fit the the Blumhouse mold.

2005
02:08:55,080 --> 02:08:56,080
I don't know.

2006
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:57,080
It doesn't have that.

2007
02:08:57,080 --> 02:09:00,080
I feel like in the third act, a lot of those it's it's like a fight.

2008
02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:05,080
Back or getting out and getting out of you.

2009
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:08,080
Nailed it.

2010
02:09:08,080 --> 02:09:15,080
This has a tries to get out and then he has to succumb to it and I don't know.

2011
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:16,080
It's psychological.

2012
02:09:16,080 --> 02:09:17,080
It's more internal.

2013
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:26,080
I think in my mind, I've been I feel like glowing about everything on this.

2014
02:09:26,080 --> 02:09:32,080
So I almost want to try to think of a criticism I can I can lay on it or something like that.

2015
02:09:32,080 --> 02:09:37,080
And it's kind of hard for me to come up with because it's just like it kind of checks all the boxes for me.

2016
02:09:37,080 --> 02:09:39,080
And then it also surprises me.

2017
02:09:39,080 --> 02:09:44,080
I wouldn't I wouldn't really want to change much about it.

2018
02:09:44,080 --> 02:09:50,080
I think it if I were to read it as a book or something to I think the ideas would just be really cool.

2019
02:09:50,080 --> 02:09:56,080
I was like a little sci-fi short story and it's yeah, it's like two hours flat.

2020
02:09:56,080 --> 02:10:01,080
I don't and I don't feel it like it drags at any point by 20 minutes in.

2021
02:10:01,080 --> 02:10:07,080
You are in it and you know a lot about what's going on already.

2022
02:10:07,080 --> 02:10:12,080
And then the shift with the whole crew of people.

2023
02:10:12,080 --> 02:10:14,080
Yeah, what would I criticize about?

2024
02:10:14,080 --> 02:10:19,080
I think there was a moment where I'm like, yeah, why are they just attacking this random politician that was a little.

2025
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:21,080
But just like, yeah, let's just go fucking do it.

2026
02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:30,080
But and I was confused as to why and why he was so you know, he had a gun pointed to him.

2027
02:10:30,080 --> 02:10:41,080
And all of that just ends up working where you I really feel like I'm in scars guards visit in James's position.

2028
02:10:41,080 --> 02:10:55,080
And it is effective in putting you in the position of feeling confused. And yeah, that's probably some audience members rejected that feeling as like the writers don't know what they're doing and they're not giving me enough.

2029
02:10:55,080 --> 02:11:10,080
But I felt like they were bread crumbing it out in a way that escalated the action started to reveal more and more about what our main character was capable of and what he was going to be driven to.

2030
02:11:10,080 --> 02:11:23,080
And what he was going to be driven to by these these people and the tripping out drug scene or G's, you know, taking off the mask and it's him all beat up and all that stuff.

2031
02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:35,080
Like, I can. We just charted the course this whole podcast. This movie like made an effect on me where I feel like it's just like, in the same way at Cronenberg and we talked about crimes of the future and many other you know whatever

2032
02:11:35,080 --> 02:11:43,080
movies were like, this is going to be one of those movies where I'm gonna be fucking thinking about it for a while. There's going to be elements about it where I'm going to be thinking about it.

2033
02:11:43,080 --> 02:12:02,080
And how pleasantly surprised I was like walking in pretty blind about what was going to happen and seeing it play out in such a satisfying way where I feel like a lot of my answers were like my questions were answered like what I and like pretty

2034
02:12:02,080 --> 02:12:07,080
clearly as it was paced throughout and.

2035
02:12:07,080 --> 02:12:21,080
Whenever people wanted to know more. I was rooting for him to, you know, rooting for him but just like pushing it wanting to push one to push him to be like, yeah, dude get the fuck out of there like get get out like what's going on here you eventually find out about the

2036
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:41,080
problem with but makes that decision conscious decision decision to get out and at that moment I'm so terrified in that and that way bringing him back in and it turns into a different movie yet again it like kind of constantly repositions and very effectively great music

2037
02:12:41,080 --> 02:12:51,080
performances looking forward to this like young newer director this is like his it's a more effort.

2038
02:12:51,080 --> 02:12:54,080
Let me give you the definition of bad as a good.

2039
02:12:54,080 --> 02:13:08,080
How could I not be more excited and I already watching Pearl I was just like I need to see whatever me got this kind of in to because she's just fascinating to watch and she was perfectly cast in this so

2040
02:13:08,080 --> 02:13:22,080
I mean I won't give it a perfect score I guess because yeah it's not a movie I guess that I'm going to rewatch a bunch and it goes down and like complete like classic territory.

2041
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:29,080
But it definitely has like the excitement of a young director coming up with new ideas with with young with.

2042
02:13:29,080 --> 02:13:44,080
Younger performers that are doing some of their best work and it's going to be will be 94.

2043
02:13:44,080 --> 02:13:59,080
It's definitely in the 90s it's definitely like it's like a 90 90 something like I was going to say if you gave it lower than a 90 for how you're describing your feelings about this movie I would have been shocked of that.

2044
02:13:59,080 --> 02:14:07,080
Yeah I knew you weren't going to give it a perfect score but I was curious where in the 90s it was going to fall and if it fell out of the 90s I was going to be like wow I mean God.

2045
02:14:07,080 --> 02:14:22,080
No I really enjoyed it all the way through and I was in it all the way through for two hours and it checked all of all of the boxes and exceeded any expectations that I did have which I was really excited to see it already.

2046
02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:24,080
Fuck yeah dude.

2047
02:14:24,080 --> 02:14:25,080
Hell yeah.

2048
02:14:25,080 --> 02:14:31,080
I mean.

2049
02:14:31,080 --> 02:14:45,080
I kind of said it man and we've talked about it plenty on this and people will know that I'm it's not like I'm going to come out of here with a score that's going to really surprise anybody because there are so many things working for this movie like I said.

2050
02:14:45,080 --> 02:15:09,080
I mean I don't know if my three things on whether or not I really like a movie it visually throughout all of it was so interesting the twists focuses blurs all like colors everything just thrilling made relatively.

2051
02:15:09,080 --> 02:15:16,080
I would say that it was.

2052
02:15:16,080 --> 02:15:25,080
That's small but you know what I mean is like it's pretty intimate all things considered so that can be an issue for a lesser director because how do you make people talking.

2053
02:15:25,080 --> 02:15:41,080
It's really exciting or interesting and fuck man he did it like you said that I that stuck with me still of the idea of shooting a conversation with people but you're like almost in the kitchen looking down the hallway of people talking.

2054
02:15:41,080 --> 02:15:56,080
I'm just so smart and I really love the visuals of it and then my other three things I think I am a huge advocate for a uncomplicated plot that is driven with confidence.

2055
02:15:56,080 --> 02:16:08,080
I don't need to know every fucking thing how this person got this thing how this thing got created whatever you clear just confidently and clearly say like this movie did.

2056
02:16:08,080 --> 02:16:13,080
We clone people so that people like you can use those clones to get out of.

2057
02:16:13,080 --> 02:16:28,080
You know getting executed or getting in trouble you know and that's all you fucking need to know and need to hear and I love that so much for and it's confidence to just stick to what the stories about not get bogged down in the minutia just.

2058
02:16:28,080 --> 02:16:34,080
You know chug along in a way that is for two hour movie man this flew by absolutely.

2059
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:40,080
Yeah even like one recently no one will save you or something I was saying would be better as like a shorter Twilight Zone episode.

2060
02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:46,080
And if this one didn't like really drive home the latter half half of the movie.

2061
02:16:46,080 --> 02:16:52,080
I could be arguing the same thing but somehow you fucking did it you just like the story elements continue to ratchet up.

2062
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:54,080
Continue sorry.

2063
02:16:54,080 --> 02:17:09,080
No no no I agree and the third thing is like what is the pros or what is the thesis of this movie and how well how interesting is it and how well does it execute it and that's the third thing so just all in all like what is the voice of this movie or what is it

2064
02:17:09,080 --> 02:17:14,080
trying to say and how effective is the movie at saying what it wants to say.

2065
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:24,080
And it doesn't get in.

2066
02:17:24,080 --> 02:17:29,080
Again I feel like a broken record but I just love how sparse and how focused and how confident it is that it is going to present.

2067
02:17:29,080 --> 02:17:36,080
Classism and the ills of it in a way that I really haven't seen before but makes sense and makes me think about how.

2068
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:44,080
Another way that money and power corrupts people and provides me with an example of how that would manifest in.

2069
02:17:44,080 --> 02:18:01,080
In anybody if given the ability to just pay their way out of stuff and it doesn't get into the society of the place that they're at or get into, you know the wealth or the power that they have outside of the resort.

2070
02:18:01,080 --> 02:18:16,080
It just clearly shows people that have money that is at their core change them and has created a mentality and a monster out of these people and they take advantage of it because they can because no one is going to stop them because they have money and I.

2071
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:20,080
That's like that yeah you just described the monster in this movie it sounds like.

2072
02:18:20,080 --> 02:18:22,080
Absolutely and.

2073
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:27,080
Mission accomplished so.

2074
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:34,080
I think what you said is perfect is like this isn't necessarily a movie that I want to watch often so that it doesn't reach that like.

2075
02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:37,080
100% perfect movie where I'm like.

2076
02:18:37,080 --> 02:18:39,080
You know.

2077
02:18:39,080 --> 02:18:41,080
God I just want to get back into it.

2078
02:18:41,080 --> 02:18:47,080
You know yeah I don't want to watch my home drive all the time either but it is really good yeah there's like other.

2079
02:18:47,080 --> 02:18:53,080
Not to complete David Lynch but there's there's some elements of it that remind me.

2080
02:18:53,080 --> 02:18:57,080
I feel like David Lynch is maybe a little less violent overall but you know.

2081
02:18:57,080 --> 02:18:59,080
Not always.

2082
02:18:59,080 --> 02:19:01,080
I'm going to give this movie a 95%.

2083
02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:02,080
Yeah.

2084
02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:04,080
Oh yeah.

2085
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:16,080
Right there right there with you and this is one that regardless of it is polarizing nature which I think was inevitable just of it's what it's about subject matter and everything.

2086
02:19:16,080 --> 02:19:27,080
It's just worth talking about this is a fun one to go through the motions and kind of have a sounding board to go off because yeah I watched it alone and to be able to.

2087
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:36,080
Get you know it's it's kind of decompressing my my brain a little bit from feeling like I had weird dreams last night.

2088
02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:37,080
Totally.

2089
02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:42,080
I don't remember what they were but I feel like I feel like they were pretty fucking weird.

2090
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:57,080
So that it's it has the that lasting effect which whatever sort of category you got a brilliant horror or whatever it is it's just a fascinating much recommended watch from both of us.

2091
02:19:57,080 --> 02:20:07,080
And moving on we want to appreciate say we appreciate you so much for taking these journey on the infinity pool express.

2092
02:20:07,080 --> 02:20:18,080
We will now be announcing our next film to be discussing which will be a comedy action from 2016.

2093
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About a little kitty cat named Keanu.

2094
02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:30,080
Is a certified fresh critically reviewed film sitting at a 78% from these critics.

2095
02:20:30,080 --> 02:20:35,080
Not so fresh audience score of a 55.

2096
02:20:35,080 --> 02:20:38,080
Very favored comedy movie.

2097
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:40,080
I know so surprising.

2098
02:20:40,080 --> 02:20:45,080
Many of those I feel like key and peel.

2099
02:20:45,080 --> 02:20:49,080
We'll be talking about it next time.

2100
02:20:49,080 --> 02:20:55,080
We hope you have enjoyed your time here on polarized pod.

2101
02:20:55,080 --> 02:20:57,080
I know I fucking have.

2102
02:20:57,080 --> 02:20:59,080
I fucking love that.

2103
02:20:59,080 --> 02:21:17,080
Great time. And if you want to see us do this live on twitch.tv slash polarized part twitch.tv slash polarized part you can see us there when we record them and shoot the shit before and sometimes after you know if you want to hang out and chat and whatnot.

2104
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You can send us a line at polarized the pod at gmail.com.

2105
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:27,080
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2106
02:21:27,080 --> 02:21:32,080
Oh, I'm on YouTube if you want to check that out as well polarized pod.

2107
02:21:32,080 --> 02:21:44,080
And we appreciate you so much. We have had such a fun, fun time with this podcast. We hope you guys have felt the same way. Is there anything else you'd like to add Brandy.

2108
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:52,080
We'll wrap this little delicious burrito of a podcast up and send it on.

2109
02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:58,080
I just I'm going to get into that potato goop from diamonds are forever now.

2110
02:21:58,080 --> 02:22:02,080
I'm going to go blow fell myself.

2111
02:22:02,080 --> 02:22:07,080
No, everybody listening out there. I hope you have a nice Thanksgiving.

2112
02:22:07,080 --> 02:22:08,080
Yeah.

2113
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Hope you enjoyed this up.

2114
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:12,080
Thank you so much and we'll see you next time.

2115
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Bye bye.

2116
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Bye bye.