1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,560 Welcome to the podcast. 2 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,100 It's spooky season. 3 00:00:22,100 --> 00:00:24,100 All you listeners out there. 4 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:25,200 Happy Halloween, 5 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,600 student be Halloween. This is the polarized podcast. 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,900 Welcome in. 7 00:00:30,900 --> 00:00:35,100 Sit down and get ready for a rip of a movie. 8 00:00:35,100 --> 00:00:38,400 Today we are talking about splice. 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,900 OK, sorry, I was getting getting an image off my real quick. 10 00:00:46,900 --> 00:00:48,800 My bad. 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,500 Yeah, splice. We're talking splice. 12 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:51,900 Hey, but you know what? 13 00:00:51,900 --> 00:00:54,700 Why we're talking about splice is because this is a podcast 14 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:57,700 about polarizing movies and polarizing movies in the sense 15 00:00:57,700 --> 00:00:59,900 of rock tomato scores event. 16 00:00:59,900 --> 00:01:03,800 Sometimes critics love it and audiences hate it or vice versa. 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,700 And those are the movies that we talk about on this podcast. 18 00:01:08,700 --> 00:01:09,700 Spooky season. 19 00:01:09,700 --> 00:01:11,200 We're talking splice. 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,700 I am your host Brandon Stables and I would like to introduce. 21 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:23,900 My cohost or affectionately referred to as forever guest. 22 00:01:23,900 --> 00:01:25,500 Mr. James Lindsay, how's it going? 23 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:27,200 I'm the forever guest on this journey of life. 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,600 I'm a forever guest on this podcast of polarizing movies. 25 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,000 It's my baby. 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,500 It's my favorite podcast. 27 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:35,000 I just. 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,100 Yeah, it seems like you're on here. 29 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:38,000 Now I'm going to mess around. 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,000 Yeah, I come back. 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,800 And I just I just like to be here. 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,400 It feels good. 33 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,800 You're like haunting this podcast. 34 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,000 Oh, if I could haunt somewhere, 35 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,900 I would hope that it would be a positive haunting experience. 36 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:59,700 And I hope my time here as the forever guest has been a friendly 37 00:01:59,700 --> 00:02:03,100 ghost experience for as well. 38 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:04,200 Hell, yeah. 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:10,200 It's I forever friendly ghost ghost and guest or close. 40 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,900 I don't know. 41 00:02:11,900 --> 00:02:12,900 James, a K.A. 42 00:02:12,900 --> 00:02:14,600 Casper, a K.A. 43 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,200 The friendly ghost, a K.A. 44 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,800 Forever guest, a friendly guest, the friendly guest. 45 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,900 Oh, there we go. 46 00:02:20,900 --> 00:02:21,900 I love it. 47 00:02:21,900 --> 00:02:22,900 That's me. 48 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:24,400 Well, the friendly guest. 49 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,100 Do you think season, man? 50 00:02:26,100 --> 00:02:29,600 You think the splice monster would come back as a ghost? 51 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:36,400 No, and if it did, do you think it would be a friendly, a 52 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,400 friendly presence like Casper? 53 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,400 Oh, Dren. 54 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,400 Oh, Dren. 55 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:42,900 Okay. 56 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:48,900 So we Dren the malintentioned creature creature ghost. 57 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:49,900 Yes. 58 00:02:49,900 --> 00:02:51,400 I guess there hasn't been too much of that. 59 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,900 Like there's been like creature features. 60 00:02:53,900 --> 00:02:57,900 Has there been like ghosts of creatures? 61 00:02:57,900 --> 00:02:59,400 Is that been a thing? 62 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,900 I don't think so. 63 00:03:01,900 --> 00:03:03,400 I don't usually right. 64 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:04,900 It's usually people, right? 65 00:03:04,900 --> 00:03:09,400 It's usually people who are ghosts and have like, I don't know. 66 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,400 Probably people would say like spirits or something. 67 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:13,900 I was going to say. 68 00:03:13,900 --> 00:03:14,900 I don't know. 69 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:16,900 That's what I'm glad you brought that up. 70 00:03:16,900 --> 00:03:17,900 That's what I was going to ask you. 71 00:03:17,900 --> 00:03:20,400 Point blank right off the top, right off the rip. 72 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,400 Do you think the splice creature has a soul James? 73 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:24,400 Yes. 74 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,400 Okay. 75 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,400 All right. 76 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:27,400 Absolutely. 77 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:35,900 We're sitting in ways that we will never understand as the movie, I think is very clear is we're 78 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:40,400 just not going to understand this and we just keep trying to keep trying to control it. 79 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,900 Well, we can't do either. 80 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:43,400 We can't we can't fool understand. 81 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,400 We can't control, but those patents are coming and we're going to, we're going to splice the 82 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,400 splice monster and see what we can get out of her. 83 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:59,400 And it was a hand at the end. 84 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:00,400 Yeah. 85 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,400 It's a whole nother rapid changes. 86 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,400 Yeah. 87 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:05,400 It's a splice of life. 88 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,400 It's a splice of life story. 89 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,400 You know, just a real coming of age tale. 90 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,400 Yes. 91 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,400 Coming of age. 92 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,400 Yeah. 93 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,400 As a splice creature. 94 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,400 Adrian Brody really came of age as well. 95 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:28,400 Oh man, he comes off as like such a like trying really hard to be an early 30s guy, like a 96 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:29,400 little too hard. 97 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:37,400 I just the aesthetic of this movie and the costumes for the two main characters are so 98 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,400 funny to me. 99 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,400 I couldn't. 100 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,400 It's a very open time. 101 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,400 I think so. 102 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:49,400 But in a terrible way where like, you know, they're having some, I was so confused. 103 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:55,400 I'm glad that you brought up, you know, a level of not understanding that this movie 104 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,400 operates in because I feel like I just got bonked over the head of majority of this movie 105 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,400 because I just found myself being like, why are we doing this? 106 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:04,400 And wait a minute. 107 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,400 Who is like, what is the, what's the point of this? 108 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,400 And it just really doesn't answer any of those questions because it's more in my mind 109 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:12,400 by the end of it. 110 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:19,400 It's like, right, it's just solely about this creature becoming more of a monster and everything 111 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:24,400 outside of that that would frame, you know, kind of larger questions, which the trailer 112 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:30,400 we watch going into this, you know, presents this movie as being like, you know, they're 113 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:37,400 breaking moral boundaries, ethical boundaries, you know, they're really pushing, you know, 114 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:43,400 yeah, kicking the door down on the establishment and there is an heir to that in the costuming 115 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,400 for Adrian Brody and what's her face? 116 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,400 That's holy. 117 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:55,400 I mean, man, it just, it couldn't give a fuck less about what's going on, you know, 118 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:02,400 at broader picture or what is happening with in relation to how this would affect society. 119 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,400 All of it's so gobbledygook nonsense. 120 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,400 I just something about patents on animal feed. 121 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,400 I like I couldn't make heads or tails of like this. 122 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:21,400 There's this movie has two projects, quote unquote projects that nerd the science company 123 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:27,400 is, you know, it has created for a, yeah, for a created it for all created it. 124 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:28,400 Yeah. 125 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,400 And the net and the net tunes, it's both great. 126 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,400 Yeah. 127 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,400 The comedy just really didn't work for me. 128 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,400 Did you, did you find that stuff funny where it was like so on the nose? 129 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,400 Like the fact that the monsters names Dran, the name of the company being nerd. 130 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:48,400 There was also like, again, the clothes and the shit that they were saying, like, in their apartment, 131 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,400 like, there's no comedy to be had for me. 132 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,400 And I mean, you kind of started this, there's so much to talk about with this movie. 133 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,400 So it's, it's hard to just nail it, like start and just stay on one point. 134 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,400 But you mentioned Adrian Brody's costuming. 135 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,400 And I think, I mean, that's a good place to start from because at the beginning, beginning of this movie, 136 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:22,400 they are portraying these two scientists as fucking rockstar fucking against the system sort of way, like scientists, which I don't know. 137 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,400 Does it doesn't make sense? 138 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,400 You see as the time goes on in the movie that it doesn't, it doesn't really make sense if they're just like, yeah, fuck, you know, 139 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,400 rules and the scientific method because we're rock stars. 140 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,400 It's like, well, I don't know if that's how you should be doing things. 141 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:42,400 But they are portraying them as like cool with their costuming, with the music that's playing as they're doing things, 142 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,400 with the montage of when they finally leave their company not to jump ahead. 143 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:54,400 But that their music that's playing when they go off and rebel and do their own science in their own little makeshift lab, 144 00:07:54,400 --> 00:08:02,400 along with their all of the, the trappings of the up, they have like a sticker on their fucking incubator or whatever the fuck. 145 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,400 They were like one of their pieces of equipment. 146 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,400 I think is what it's called. 147 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:14,400 Yeah, like some stick and like they're playing records and, you know, like it's telling you that these people are cool and they're fighting a system 148 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:22,400 that is evil and trying to take advantage of people when in fact that yeah, they're doing just that and none of that is said in the movie. 149 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,400 It's just more like corrupt way. 150 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:34,400 It's, it's the language of the music and the costuming and how it's at the beginning mainly is how they're portraying him and as time goes on. 151 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:35,400 I don't know. 152 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:42,400 It's it starts to let that allure kind of in the in that veil kind of come down a bit. 153 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:59,400 But by that time, it's just I am already at odds with how the movie feels about itself that I'm not willing to come back around by the end because yeah, just right off the bat, both of these characters are awful people and I do not care for them and I don't care for their choices. 154 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:07,400 And they are infuriating to watch and go along with like the in the entire movie. 155 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,400 It's incredible how like unlikeable both of them are. 156 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:30,400 Yeah, also, the their relationship is confounding, to say the least, because there is these power dynamics between the two of them that don't make any sense like where at times somebody will stand up for themselves. 157 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:51,400 And at other times they'll just completely go along or be really like needing the other to agree with them instead of yeah, it's extremely toxic and then it but then it's also within the movie just illogical because they will argue about things like he'll she'll hold him to a standard about 158 00:09:51,400 --> 00:10:05,400 the Dren that he doesn't live up to he fucks up she gets mad and then he tries to do better. He kind of does and then she goes back on her word a little bit and does almost exactly what he was going to do. 159 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:25,400 And then he gets mad at her for doing what he was originally doing himself. And so it's just this like constantly nagging each other and a little bit of gaslighting and a little bit of like toxicity between like their relationship. But that's like the lease of their concerns when they're the implications, 160 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:41,400 their implications of what they're doing is so vast. And for them to be so fucking petty with each other about bullshit for this to play out really really like like they weren't ready for parenthood and they're getting for it now. 161 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:57,400 And so the way at times is like, you mentioned humor and it's like there is like almost a weird sick or like this is a dark nuts. I don't know. Yeah, there's actually it is pretty fucked up and sick but there's a dark when it does work well maybe a dark humor like I can think maybe 162 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:17,400 and I'm not laughing at this point but maybe it's irony at the very least which is when like those they're too little blob creatures destroy each other in front of everybody at like a it's that in itself and I were just kind of jumping around maybe we should go through some plot elements but that 163 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:38,400 in itself was like the most horrific moment of and the most visceral and gory and horrific I'd say of in the classic sense of the word moment of the movie that actually kind of worked before we go into all the things that go into a different version of horror for me which does 164 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:59,400 not necessarily work and just makes me cringe out of my skin and to not want to ever like open my eye. Wow. I had some of that. I don't know. So some of this is just like, Why is this happening? Can we please stop? Please stop. Please stop. And then it just keeps going. And yeah, but yeah, we can really back in. 165 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:09,400 I was going to go back to our segment that we did an ep or two ago of asking what are you watching over there? 166 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,400 Oh, glad you brought it up man. 167 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,400 You're already kind of jumping over some broad strokes of this shit. 168 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,400 It is one of those movies that yeah, 169 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:29,400 it's a new segment and we're jumping at the bit to talk about it but so both of those things working in tandem. That's why we're getting to a nail but I'm glad you brought it up and I'll be good about making sure we do that when I intro the pod. I liked it last time. 170 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,400 It was fun. 171 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:31,400 Yeah. 172 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:43,400 What am I watching? Okay, so the thing that I'm watching that I watched that was I just truly, truly, truly enjoyed was I finished all of the fall of the House of Usher. 173 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,400 Oh, you finished it. Wow. 174 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,400 I'm not going to do it. I consumed the hell out of it. 175 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:53,400 I literally were big Flana fans were Flana fans over here. 176 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,400 As we said on our Oculus app, go check it out. 177 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,400 Yeah. 178 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:11,400 That show is wonderful. It is. It has a lot of characters and a lot of them are. 179 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:26,400 They're built out enough to when they have their whole like arc and whatnot. There's a lot of like satisfying scary and interesting stuff that happens in that television show and I could not recommend it enough. 180 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:27,400 Cool. 181 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:42,400 I've been watching it for a while since I've just devoured a TV show and it is so perfect in that. Yes, each episode is about an hour long, but there's only in the whole series. I want to see there's eight or nine episodes. 182 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,400 Yeah, I think it's like in total. 183 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:58,400 Yeah, I'm on high just like three. Yeah, big fan of that structure of like this is it's there's not going to be a season two. It's just this is the whole, you know, package and this is the story that it's trying to tell. 184 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:09,400 And it goes beginning to end on that of what it's trying to say and it's amazing. And I would definitely recommend. 185 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:18,400 I can't wait to finish it all the all the flannigan stuff is always something that I get excited when it comes around and it seems to happen every October on Netflix. 186 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:35,400 I think his deal with them might be wrapped up with this. But you know, whatever he does next time, definitely going to show up for and anyone who's been around this podcast long enough has heard us become bigger and bigger fans of horror. 187 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:48,400 And as a genre and been trying to understand and navigate it in a way that figure, I don't know for me. And I'm sure you can relate. We're trying to figure out our own tastes within that genre. 188 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:54,400 There's enough time that has gone on that there are subdivisions within, you know, the broader scope of it all. 189 00:14:54,400 --> 00:15:03,400 And and I mean even speaking of which this one should be right up my alley, but it just, yeah, talk about how I feel. 190 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,400 And what I've been watching. 191 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:19,400 Yeah, so still working on Hunter Hunter and anime that is been pretty great and pretty long and so just been working through it casually. 192 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:25,400 Fiona and cake has been good. I need to I need to finish that. But that one's been good on on Max. 193 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:40,400 And I think that's kind of the, you know, kind of expanding out the Adventure Time Universe and I like those little kind of hour long specials that they had with was I think there was one with like Marceline and then be bemo. 194 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:53,400 Which is so cool to have a whole, you know, little thing about a side character and then the Fiona and cake thing. Yeah, it works within like kind of a multiverse thing and in a way more interesting funny cool adventure time sort of way. 195 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:58,400 Yeah, I we're both huge fans of blank check on on this podcast. 196 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:04,400 So doing doing the going back through some, some Finchman stuff. 197 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:20,400 Big Doe voice fans obviously if anyone got the Finchman part but yeah, fucking zodiac and panic room and the in the game and is kind of where where I've been spending some time and just, I think zodiac is one that 198 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:36,400 could plot me down in front of at any time and I'd not be happy just to sit through Jill and Hall and ruffle ruffle low just quizzically just looking in and figuring out mysteries and trying to understand it and 199 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:52,400 I don't know I just I eat it up. It's got such a rhythm to it that the two and a half hour runtime just kind of blows blows by for me and I think yeah Benjamin Button will be my next one which is another kind of comfort food movie for me it puts me in a 200 00:16:52,400 --> 00:17:07,400 mood and I like being there for like an extended period of time I know it's going to be a longer movie and I can sit sit in it and those I don't know those kind of movies. I think we all have some version of what's a version 201 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:22,400 what's a movie like that for you I mean I'm sure some future movies for you but is there like a longer movie that you're just so you've seen a bunch of times. You know maybe a weekend sort of day and kind of sit down and and just consume it 202 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:47,400 I know we're big bond bond fills that requirement a lot of the time but when it comes to Finchies I mean social network is a pretty long movie and it's whenever that's on there's just always really interesting parts about it that kind of you know 203 00:17:47,400 --> 00:18:04,400 weirdly yeah like you're saying is kind of relaxing the pace that movie the colors in the movie the dialogue all of it is just so yeah there's a rhythm has a rhythm and a cadence and it's always kind of meditated like almost mesmerizing 204 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:25,400 it is because everybody is saying the coolest shit because of because of Sorcan and it's just fun to hear people talk in a way that's like and everybody is so intelligent and so smart and saying all the coolest and right stuff and it yeah I don't know provides a level of comfort that just washes over me so I would say that and then yeah I mean 205 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:42,400 we're both girls with dragon tattoo fans you know there's there's a scene that I've seen it enough at this point where I'll just fast forward through it absolutely yeah just move on you want to yeah once you see it it's so shocking that you can just once you see it start you can 206 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:54,400 skip over and be like all feels still kind of the remnants of what that was trying to do because yeah you don't need to see it multiple times to know how that goes down sort of like this movie except the whole movie 207 00:18:54,400 --> 00:19:13,400 yep I oh okay good nice segue yeah let's get into the whole thing but they I mean but speaking of that scene there are essentially two scenes of that in this movie I consider that Adrian Brody scene with her to the be like him taking advantage for her in a lot of ways but 208 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:42,400 and then the one with you know with Sarah Pauly but yeah it just there's two of those Sarah Pauly one is very very very crazy yeah it's this movie let's get into it so what do we want to say have you seen that you haven't seen this movie before right I had not this is your first time and my only time was it was yeah and I was 20 2009 I was living in our neck of the woods 209 00:19:42,400 --> 00:20:10,400 where we grew up I moved back home and I went out to the movies with our friends you know Dylan our friend Dylan was a projector you were a projector for a bit at a time at the movie theater and I would just kind of when I was broke roll up there and he let me in and I'd be able to watch movies and that was that was nice and I catch him on a 210 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:36,400 smoke break and we smoke a cigarette hang on you know I'm just going to watch Predators or something I think that came out around this yeah I was pretty good another Adrian Brody but this one was one we all sat down and watch together was like me Dylan I think Garrett was there this is just me and Brandon people talking about you know good people like good good people to watch a movie with but we was really just us yeah and it was late 211 00:20:36,400 --> 00:21:00,400 night showing just us in the theater and one other older man that was like sitting like a row behind us by himself and as the movie went on and we were all just like oh Diltoro hell yeah let's let's fucking sign up for this because I mean Dylan for sure was big movie buff and Garrett himself was an actor and in his own way and 212 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:29,400 by the end of the movie we were just blown away we're all looking at each other just vocal being very vocal about what the fuck was going on the other guy behind us was like our essentially our buddy by the end of just kind of like can you believe these I know I can't this is insane at what's going on we're all just you know I just remember there was a palpable feeling walking out of the movie theater that I wasn't sure if it was going to hold up this this viewing because I had built it up built it up so much in my mind of being a batshit movie 213 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:48,400 that I wasn't sure if it would I'm like oh maybe it's not actually that maybe it's good it's certified fresh 75% by critics on on on tomatoes so this time around I'm like maybe I was wrong maybe I was fucking wrong and no it lived up and 214 00:21:48,400 --> 00:22:10,400 every every amount of batshit that I thought it's good yeah and then some I cannot believe this shit exists it's such a gross and disgusting movie like yeah there's some like I'm like I'm like I try to be like okay put it in the frame of 215 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:39,400 mind of that like especially the little weird blob creatures and stuff or some of that that's like this does feel a little Cronenberg of fucking with like genealogy and like creating this thing and sure but the direction that it goes is not worth it and ends up yeah being something that is being sensationalist with the philosophical questions that it poses rather than 216 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:59,400 handling those questions delicately it like shows them in your face and does it in a way that's like it's it's not I don't know it's taking all the it's taking all the Freudian stuff and just like put it right in your fucking face instead of that being like subconscious or anything like that or any sort of like 217 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:19,400 ooh there's some weirds it's just like no this shit's just going on and like it just there's some of the stuff that could be handled with some subtlety and it removes all of that and makes it over the top in ways that are not satisfying but just upsetting and gross and 218 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:35,400 not horrific in in a satisfying way from somebody that's yeah maybe a little newer to the genre but this this brand of of horror the close what else would you compare it with this movie like I was thinking Cronenberg with some of those little blob creatures and some of that shit and the practical 219 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:58,400 effects there yeah I mean it operates kind of like a monster movie right you know it's all about trying to contain Frank yeah it's like Frankenstein yeah yeah I would say it's you know that were the real monsters that's what it would like to be but you know obviously it is yeah it doesn't 220 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:15,400 Dr. Morell a little bit the relationship between the creator and the creature well at all it doesn't have an interesting point of view and it and because it doesn't have an interesting point of view the way that it puts all of the pieces together to try to formulate an 221 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:35,400 an assemblance of like progression into the monster growing up and its creators have to deal with all of those steps and that like maturity I guess you could say are suck they're awful they're just I know they make poor choices all the time where I was watching similarly 222 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:53,400 at my place with with our buddy Nick who's been on the pod and my roommate and the whole time that's good you had people around I wish I had someone to look to and be like I looked at my cats and they're and they just look back at you wanting food yeah the only time they're 223 00:24:53,400 --> 00:25:12,400 interested was Lion King I was the only time yeah right oh man you covered their little eyes when that cat got killed don't even get me started I mean luckily it yeah it wasn't as gruesome as it as it could have been it really looked like the cat had rolled over and they just put a little CGI 224 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:29,400 tail and sticking its neck and then cat was just like I just want some belly scratches yeah at least I told myself I believe that dude that cat was cute that cat was cute was the splice monster cute to you ever 225 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:51,400 no no my because it just started yeah those noises at all yeah no yeah no there's no there's nothing upsetting it's upsetting it's all wholly upsetting and and theoretically the only reason that and this is so stupid to say out loud is like the reason that 226 00:25:51,400 --> 00:26:09,400 spoiler alert Adrian Brody flux the creature is because it's trying the language of the film is trying to communicate that it is like sending off pheromones and it has features of Sarah Pauli exactly right so that is so he's kind of being manipulated into it because she's 227 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:26,400 needing to reproduce see I look at it I look at that is that is it I didn't think of the fair her pheromones or anything sort of that I was looking at it and like a different way of like this this time around I guess I don't remember how I felt last time I was probably just like what the fuck 228 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:46,400 this way this time I was like he is taking advantage of her oh really this point like she in my mind I'm like I still I mean she's in terms of her growth cycle I guess she's matured enough as a woman creature or whatever but like the age 229 00:26:46,400 --> 00:27:02,400 discrepancy and in what I was is just like he's got this fucking creature locked in a fucking barn he is the as all the power and he chooses off low bill like he chooses to yeah and I just I looked at that situation of him 230 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:28,400 raping her essentially sorry like Stockholm oh yeah we'll just sexually assaulting her as as the creature does to Sarah Pauli later like I just that's how I viewed that situation and it was extremely upsetting that it started with like fun happy dancing and music I almost like 231 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:43,400 I remember the first time I saw Spider-Man 3 where you just got not that I not this is may way worse but I remember being caught so caught off guard by like oh Toby McGuire is dancing now what I did not expect this but at this point 232 00:27:43,400 --> 00:28:03,400 right yeah and the movie like a dreamboating her or in the fight the thing had just attacked her and she had removed its tail like things are fucking dire and he walks in and is like let's have some fun we've been too stressed out yeah and let's 233 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:22,400 fuck like it's it's crazy man that like the the pacing and tonal shifts of this movie have a language that I cannot put my finger on whose mind is coming out of rather than like yeah like a it's a little Tim Burton II I guess when I think 234 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:39,400 of like Adrian Brody's outfit and everything it's from the mind of del Toro a little or the produce production production mind of del Toro but Adrian Brody for the conference is dressed like a shitty Tim Burton knockoff character or something 235 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:49,400 and he's got like this shitty like metallic silver tie and this black kind of stripes you and this emo hair he's all got this like emo got hair the whole whole movie as well. 236 00:28:49,400 --> 00:29:07,400 Yeah, I mean it's to the extent of which I found just incredibly comical that even their lab codes have like anti establishment or like punkish buttons and like patches on it because you know just to get across that these are renegade 237 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:22,400 scientists and music when he's driving in his car like there's a moment where they're fucking monster of a creature is banging against the walls and in order to do that he turns on the radio to some rock and roll and one of the lab 238 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:41,400 assistants looks back and it's like fuck yeah hell yeah turn it up it's like who are these people absolutely rock and roll fucking scientists and it's just such a bummer too because those characters exist for those brief moments in the movie but there is almost none of them in the actual 239 00:29:41,400 --> 00:30:00,400 movie like there that that punk rock guy who doesn't really talk or do anything in the movie yeah he could have easily have been a character the brother of Adrian brody such a way yeah such a fucking waste just such a waste of a character like him the whole time like that 240 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:18,400 no you like there's absolutely that the movie is missing a scene where Adrian Brody and his brother which it does exist in the movie but it's so bad the scenes are there yeah but there's no follow through there's no follow through because there should be a really interesting 241 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:36,400 conversation between the brother and Adrian Brody about what's going on and the ramifications of it and there's it is so hollow or shallow because all it is is like don't do that I'm well you don't you don't know anything well don't do that and that's the extent of it 242 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:56,400 just tell me about that secret experiment that you have going on and he hears like noises that wouldn't be made from any other creature in the world and the other room and banging and they're missing shifts or whatever and they missed like the sex change of one of their little blob creatures and all this shit and 243 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:18,400 they like they fail on every front these characters they fail on the thing that they should have just been had doing the whole time which I get that's part of the narrative shift in the movie and I iron you and losing their funding so they can't even do either but it's just so there's nothing to cling on to 244 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:40,400 this movie and I can actually and I and I get that the best comparison that could be made is to Frankenstein and the messaging within that movie holds true you know and in terms of that such an amazing story and the implications of creating life in that way 245 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:56,400 but this one what it's driving home is just I don't know it just more like what you can do with it rather than the end end product of like the end of end of your story the care for characters the respect that you place on on the characters and the 246 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:12,400 and the dignity that you give them and the monster themselves itself and then the accountability for those characters like they give them a couple characters they give them the brother we mentioned the is it the project manager 247 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:28,400 yeah essentially with the beard I would see you as the woman right I think she is the executive so she's money and then the guy is like so you you're saying a manager which is that's essentially what I'm like yeah I mean yeah 248 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:44,400 and I got in the I thought she was like CEO of the company or whatever sure and it's better to say it that way we're like yeah there's this guy who is their boss and then there's this money person and they are the business side of any R.D. 249 00:32:44,400 --> 00:33:00,400 And again, like I just have such a huge problem with I don't understand what they're really doing that businesses like what is the goal in having that you know shareholder meeting where I just was 250 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:16,400 laughing so hard Michael Crichton story or something continue I guess but like it I was laughing so hard because I'm like why would you even do this you would you would just show a video of it and why would you bring the monsters in there 251 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:32,400 it happens out of nowhere to there's no build up for that at all like right there's not like a countdown we got to get to yeah I hate it doesn't tell you what it needs you to know and it just goes into these these places and 252 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:48,400 something that can be said for that though we're like and I want to touch on this in some sort of way we're like this is a bad movie this is not a good movie however there is some sort of entertaining quality to this that 253 00:33:48,400 --> 00:34:08,400 qualifies it as like a so bad it's good sort of situation at times if you like it to go through the whole process of watching it I cannot say I would recommend that to anyone to anyone to have this movie to share it with anybody 254 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:22,400 even talking about it almost seems like a human centipede sort of thing or like you could tell them what happens in the movie that's almost as good as you don't even need to see you be like yeah they like create this creature and then it you know they have sex with it 255 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:38,400 that could be enough to be like yeah dude because you can tell someone like that's what that movie is and then it's like and it's up to them to be like do I need to see that but going into a dry especially in the movie theater for me was something that was almost yeah it was kind of 256 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:58,400 unforgettable and and but yeah I just wanted to say that little piece of like there is some sort of propelling quality to this movie where it doesn't slow down it doesn't ask why and how for all the wrong reasons it's very bad for that reason but also it maintains this pace 257 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:14,400 like they are in they like right off the bat they're creating these blob monsters they're successful in their minds but they don't get the funding to go the next step further so they're just going to chop them up for parts get the pants for the whatever it's so generalized 258 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:32,400 like so it's so just like swept under of like and within one meeting so much is just decided of like cool you're successful we need the pants for this shit you guys are done so so just finish it up and then it puts them in this place where they got to create this creature and I feel like within the 259 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:53,400 half half first half hour or less 20 minutes like the creatures created they've left like this their main gig or like they're the wrapping that up and you're kind of just like on for the ride but it just goes to places that you never wanted to go to as well and it's gross it's just 260 00:35:53,400 --> 00:36:12,400 disgusting yeah and it picks up a little bit at that at that conference almost for me where it's just kind of like let's let's see some fucking like horror because like this is I don't know and I'm sorry I'm just ranting a little bit but we brought up the brother and the other dude 261 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:27,400 there are the they are the two deaths in this movie they are the two deaths which one do you prefer it's like they're the same fucking thing they just get taken away into nowhere the one guy gets hang on a tree and then the brother just gets taken off he's gone 262 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:42,400 yeah you don't get to see him you see all this like build up of like oh this creature has all these abilities as this tail that grows back and it's growing wings it can go underwater it's like cool like set it loose in the fucking woods and have them fucking deal with it for a bit 263 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:50,400 predator style or something yeah no it swoops them both up done so and then it just goes right to fucking 264 00:36:50,400 --> 00:37:05,400 ah that's I don't like it I don't yeah it really upset it is so egregious how little the makers and writers of this movie understand like what 265 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:28,400 the system is that they're trying to make a commentary on because it really has no idea what it means to run a biotech company what are the implications of the creations that they make there and how does that you know how is that representative of corporate greed of 266 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:43,400 you know maybe dated morals and philosophies when it comes to yeah but they combine those which is it's so like it's so backwards sorry to cut you up like the corporate greed and everything like they represent that but then they also 267 00:37:43,400 --> 00:38:01,400 almost represent the moral high ground of like you should not be doing this but then they represent represent like moral just bankruptcy with agent Brody and and so it's so that no one comes out on top everyone fucking sucks and by the end 268 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:15,400 capitalism kind of capitalism kind of wins or whatever I guess where they fucking like we're gonna get the patents anyways and doesn't matter yeah all of this whole movie doesn't matter and that's kind of how it ends itself is like 269 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:31,400 realistic I guess yeah very which is punk rock but then it does what does it feel about the main characters because it likes them at the beginning they put rock music and shit and then there's no point where it's like give us someone to root for give us the brother to root for 270 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:48,400 against them if they're if they're so bad like it never gives us any hope to be like oh there's a way out here yeah absolutely I just because I really I wish this movie had a point where you know maybe Dren was on their side because 271 00:38:48,400 --> 00:39:04,400 they had for a just brief time reconciled their motives you know Clive and Elsa you know reconcile they're like you know kind of a growth as a team because they were a little you know especially the start of this very like don't do this let's do it and 272 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:18,400 add odds with each other and it would have been nice if it would have reached a head where they're both in the same page of loving or taking care of or appreciating the creature and being in control of the creature because of their joint collective like 273 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:33,400 parenting or whatever and then set the creature loose on like you know the money person or like the corporate people and they kind of have dammit Brandon you know right like yeah that sounds cool I like that I don't know are more of an 274 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:50,400 active participant in rectifying the problem which the movie presents is well corporations don't care about new scientific discoveries they just care about making money off things and if we want to do something interesting 275 00:39:50,400 --> 00:40:09,400 then we have to do it on our own but like none of that is ever addressed really and it just makes this movie endlessly frustrating because it just is I would honestly argue interesting in that it is a movie that percents a bunch of ideas and 276 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:28,400 follow through on none of them you know it just yeah so it just leaves you going like I yeah I feel like I could take a pass on this script and and like plus it up no problem because you're like there was a this doesn't work you don't do anything 277 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:47,400 with this another thing too is this stuff with Elsa's like pass with her mother oh my god that was so so doesn't care like it doesn't care about that stuff and that's genuinely important it was almost interesting yeah right because it wants to say the reason that you 278 00:40:47,400 --> 00:41:00,400 know hey here's kind of a reveal towards like once the second act is really kicking off of like the reason that you wanted dren in the first place is because of how poor her relationship with her mother is so she wants to have this creature 279 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:19,400 not only for scientific discovery and f you to the corporations but also for filling a hole inside of her so fast that you know that her mother left there and but she ends up being just as worse as her mother and when the movie should start to really really 280 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:35,400 really kick into high gear and be like she is now recognizing she's being like her mother and she needs to do something about that to correct that or not or give into the fact you know life is a cycle and the traumas of our parents get passed on to us and it's up to us to rectify 281 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:54,400 whether or not we want to get over that and it all that happens in that which blew me away is it's it brings up the fact that the house exists it mentions that her mother like locked her away there did something fucked up to her there and then she gets very frustrated with dren not listening 282 00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:10,400 ends up acting like her mother and being scolding punishing dren all of that and then all that happens is we don't see anything off screen real or on screen all of this happens off screen and she just comes back with the cat and goes I thought about it you know yeah that shifts 283 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:33,400 that was rough and I was she was attacked and and you know there was there was that moment of her getting attacked but her shift of character was there's a lot missing with her and everything that you're expressing right now makes me think that there's a version where she is the main character of this movie 284 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:46,400 and I think maybe that's something that could have helped it a bit not to say that there's a perfect version or that anything would have worked completely but the attention that it like is given to Adrian Brody 285 00:42:46,400 --> 00:43:06,400 and he could be more you know auxiliary sort of character as her mother stuff and everything is explored a little bit more and drives her to a point of being a true antagonist in a way and and trying like there's this 286 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:25,400 their goals and motivations shift like every scene in this movie and they're they are combative against each other and and you know dren at different points and their trio is constantly shifting their dynamic and everything and maybe there's an interesting version of that too 287 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:44,400 but there's just nothing driving the wants and needs of these characters besides like just as long as they can push it or it seems like they're just held hostage by their narrative that is being placed upon them rather than them coming to their own conclusions because that was the second most 288 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:59,400 part and I'm not I'm not sure there's parts of this where I'm not sure how they're playing at the movie how it again like how it feels about about itself but the smile that Sarah Polly gives with the Barbie as she presents it to Dren 289 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:17,400 I was like laughing but also scared at the same time I was like oh because she's like this is my just like her smile and the candlelight or like the dim light was just like really intense and there was some of that stuff that was like 290 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:32,400 that was like weird out of it what's that like what she says about yeah because she's like I wasn't allowed to have Barbie so this is my secret Barbie which is like you you're you know you're a secret Barbie and there's some of that whoa 291 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:50,400 some weird stuff that could work but then there's a lot of weird stuff that really doesn't so I don't know how to decipher this it must have been interesting for them to work on this because it seems like they were able to do what they wanted in terms of the narrative because I just can't believe that they 292 00:44:50,400 --> 00:45:03,400 would go to the places that they went to with this I and I can't I can't decipher the critics rating and why they like it so much 293 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:25,400 but man I I feel like we've gone through a lot of a lot of big beats of it. I'm trying to think like the like Dren's growth and her as a as an idea as a concept there like some interesting ideas there like in terms of like the blobs and how they 294 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:38,400 like show their their like fauna or like their weird like things to me or whatever like there's some of that stuff that's like again like Cronenberg weird and kind of like oh interesting cool like I don't know I don't know should I like those I feel weird 295 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:51,400 idea but it's maybe I'm a freak to let's get into it and then it just gets yeah beyond beyond that not fun anymore. 296 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:59,400 Yeah but just you're talking for anybody who hasn't seen it you're talking about something that happens within like five minutes of the movie. 297 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:05,400 Yeah and then I mean well yeah I like when they kill each other to this little I like the little blob things. 298 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:20,400 What was it Fred and ginger I think is what I think I put on my notes or something but yeah I mean the movies I mean I'll go through some of my notes here I feel like we've we've kind of got through the big big beats of it all we can go into 299 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:28,400 some reviews but the movie starts with the POV of being born that is how the movie starts that is a bold choice. 300 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:40,400 Old choice is a bold fucking choice like it's going through this whole introduction of like the opening credits and the credits are like grooves on the online veins of like 301 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:51,400 I was going to say like production cards fit the theme of the movie which is a very fun concept. Yeah you don't see that because it typically starts with like X-rays of toes. 302 00:46:51,400 --> 00:47:05,400 Typically production companies have their own like company logo card whatever but all of these production companies were put into this like it's got to be X-ray genealogy stuff. 303 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:16,400 Like hey I mean if we're going to do this together we got to from square one be in on the on the vibe vibe check and when you walk in the door. 304 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,400 Fred and ginger. 305 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:28,400 My question are we on the scientist side why are they portraying them as cool science montage. 306 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:43,400 I clocked this at the moment because I'd seen it before when she presents the DNA for Dren they are playing that kind of bad ass music and 307 00:47:43,400 --> 00:48:02,400 they're like oh it's just Jane Doe dime a dozen but one in a million is how they describe her and I was like if I were to give the movie credit I'd be like oh maybe they're playing this music just to kind of shuffle away a little bit of the process of like you don't question what the DNA is you don't question what they're really doing 308 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:23,400 and then the twist maybe works a bit I mean it's shitty you know disillusion from from a shitty magician in terms of movie making and everything but trying to throw you know a little distraction so that people don't question of like oh yeah where are they getting this DNA and it just made me think of young Frank and 309 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:37,400 sign where it's like oh yeah so where where are they getting this DNA someone named Abby Abby Abby normal I wasn't your hope on the other side what up. 310 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:56,400 Oh get it so so that gets to the heart of the problem for me is that I do think this movie has this comedic. Yeah, like a gender to it like wanting this movie to punk rock. 311 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:17,400 You know, it's yeah something that you can laugh at words they're like edge words. Yeah, but it just doesn't come off that way and I felt about that is I would have really loved a description about what genes were going into it so that throughout the movie it could have been more of a fun like which 312 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:27,400 which gene is coming out right now or whatever and like you can have more of a clear delineation of like oh this is the you know. 313 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,400 No they're just as lost as we are Brandon they have no idea. 314 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,400 I tried to drown her and then ends up like saving saving her. 315 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,400 You totally knew that was going to happen right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 316 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:49,400 Which is right is supposed to be funny and it just comes off as very very no I don't even if it was going to be funny. 317 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:58,400 It further frustrates me about the characters in this movie, because yes he's trying to hide it. 318 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:06,400 But then he follows through on that like he had in a moment like I do want to kill Dren. 319 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:17,400 And he attempts to follow through it doesn't work but then he just fucking chickens out there like he's such a fucking like cuck-ass little stinky. 320 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,400 This is the most heated and you've ever been. 321 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:30,400 I just hate like that's a strong move to try to fucking kill Dren and then like you don't fall you don't follow through on it and then when like you get called out for it. 322 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:38,400 You're just chicken out and don't mess up to it and then you try to have and then you have sex with it like fuck these characters man like they just. 323 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:58,400 It's awful like it's fucked up like he's like lies and then takes advantage like they both do and they just are constantly trying to look out for themselves and they backstab each other and no one is is coming out on top and the brother backstabs them trying to be the righteous one and then 324 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,400 immediately gets taken out for it in an unsatisfying way. 325 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:07,400 And then the end and then the ending you know has a nice that has a nice little like. 326 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:33,400 I'm into it I guess for a horror in terms of horror movie logic but then it's also fucking weird. I'll go through the rest of my notes, I guess there's a moment where like they're trying to pump each other up about how did how to work through a problem and I forget exactly what the why like Adrian Brody's having a problem it's like why would we be doing it this way or like why would we try so hard and and she goes because wired doesn't 327 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:52,400 have you losers and that's why we're doing this we are doing this like they're fucking they're like even their self righteousness doesn't come across and isn't followed through and then their vanity isn't followed through on either they're just what the script needs at each moment like is what the line will say and it 328 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:59,400 doesn't meet their character her tick is a what is a tack her tick is a tack. 329 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:04,400 She's tick tax for tick. I get it. Okay, got it. Yeah. 330 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:21,400 That was just I was just like rolling my eyes out of my head at that point because they were trying to figure that I know there's a moment where they have an issue with the science montage and she's like what do we do I just got a way and then they're like tapping their foot you know. 331 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:34,400 Yeah. And they're not they can't be actual tic-tac so they're this some knockoff lightning label and I was like what are the what the fuck is she eating. That's right. There's no label on it. 332 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:48,400 It's like some I'm like because how can be beans that these are actual tic-tacs like these are wackadoo characters that are tic-tacs all this mood saw the script and it was like fuck no. 333 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:58,400 Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. Could you imagine that would be hard pass immediately. That's going to be new Reese's pieces. I swear. Yeah. Your main character fucks a teenager. 334 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:18,400 You never did that. You never did that. You just taken his body. I don't know. Could you imagine ET grew up grew up five times as fast. Change sexes. 335 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:33,400 Everyone dances with everyone. Bob fucking Fosse. What's that. Oh the Bob Fosse line was sick. I love that. Yeah. I was like yeah. Yeah. That was a cool line because this dialogue sucks. Yeah. Oh there's a lot of stinkers. 336 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:45,400 I got a lot of stinkers here. I got two two things in my notes is that this dialogue sucks and I really don't understand a lot of why things are happening and what people are trying to do. 337 00:53:45,400 --> 00:54:00,400 I was literally like this is what else am I going to write down because I just really don't understand why you know why there's these deadline. Why didn't the brother was why couldn't the brother find out if the things had a sex change. 338 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:11,400 Like what like there's a whole plot point in here that I'm just reeling about being like why did this because like I said I was just totally blown out in competence all around. That's why. 339 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:25,400 Yeah it just it's a punch of stuff that doesn't make it and then he just gets mad too and then he's just like well why weren't you there. Yeah well no it was your fault. No it was your fault and they just like fucking thread at each other and that's what Adrian Brody and Sarah probably do to each other too and so 340 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:45,400 it just keeps going around and round and then bad shit happens and no one's held accountable like there was a real lack of accountability in this entire movie no mention of authorities coming in at all just like I mean there was like the threat of like oh no this is people are going to be mad at us if we if we do this Adrian Brody a 341 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:59,400 little bit and then he would just went out every time he would always say these things and then just like fucking went out and then he get chastised for it and then he'd be like oh well and then she would fuck up and he like well you said we should do that anymore now you're doing it so there yeah 342 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:16,400 and then he tried to kill it and move on it just blows me away that Guillermo del Toro produced this because I would assume that he would have obviously read the script and been at least part of some of the involvement in the production of this yeah as a guy who made a movie about yeah 343 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:33,400 a about a child's trauma has made a movie about being in a relationship with a creature that's what I was going to mention was that's that's the the bones of this would carry on to I think in a better much better way the shape of water and 344 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:50,400 and I think that we've already kind of laid out some of those points earlier on in this discussion of like the reasons why this doesn't work and the reasons why shape of water does is that it's it's it's foreign it's not from her own creation or anything and it's a sense of like trying to 345 00:55:50,400 --> 00:56:03,400 under she just wants to understand and empathize with this creature that no one else has before and all the characters in this movie are trying to take advantage which in shape of water there are those characters to like 346 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:28,400 like the shape of water and for example yeah yeah for sure and and her character cuts through as someone who just shows a sense of empathy and care for the misunderstood which I think Guillermo del Toro is successful at in his best form and everything but this just has the bad parts and doesn't have anyone to root for 347 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:44,400 to find the solace and knowing that there's oh even if it doesn't happen even if it is a horror movie ending of like we have this plan we got to enact it and then they try and they fail or like say they and then we're like they 348 00:56:44,400 --> 00:57:05,400 succeed and then they're all happy at the end and then there's that ellipsis of like oh wait there's something more and then you end on that that's fun too but this is like just down and yeah and shape of water has those moments but the messaging is so much more resounding towards 349 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:22,400 a positive uplifting spirit of the main character and that through and wanting to root for that feeling and the I I'm just flabbergasted and confused and frustrated and annoyed and disgusted and there's like yeah 350 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:42,400 me too man because it is just it's crazy how glaring of a mistake it is that your main characters are so unlike like that's got to be a problem that a studio would come in or somebody an adult in the room would come in and go hey guys 351 00:57:42,400 --> 00:58:00,400 what I'm seeing is your main characters are not likeable change that please there's no one to root for here you're going to go through a whole movie of like I guess maybe you're rooting for Dren but how could you she's a killer 352 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:21,400 she's a creature at a bare minimum you'd have to do like in shape of water like go so hard on dren's interaction with people outside of her creator to understand her psyche and her emotions better to maybe paint her in a light that's more empathetic that you could be like you know what I do 353 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:36,400 I am rooting for Dren but you have none of that so you have a whole movie of people that are huge assholes and pieces of shit that's a huge fucking problem and I don't understand how an adult in the room wasn't like raising their hand being like we have to do something 354 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:56,400 different here because this is not working sure maybe we don't have the budget to get into you know the inner workings of like the politics of it because obviously you know shape of water does that with Michael Shannon you get a lot of like what the government is trying to do and their involvement what their agenda is and all of the conflict that happens there 355 00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:17,400 but or in like you instill the sense of moral depravity in the two main characters off the bat is another option as well which this time around I would that just completely veers off course right off the beginning that science montage is fucking bullshit and like the only the only way this 356 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:32,400 movie could maybe work even a little bit better even if it wouldn't completely work is you start off the bat like these two people are bad and you're going to go down a journey of them getting worse because that's essentially what happens but when the movies like tone doesn't fit with that 357 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:48,400 then you're just left confused and frustrated that in my mind they needed to depict them as fucked up and either make whatever project manager dude or brother somebody that's going to try to alleviate the situation and either fail 358 00:59:48,400 --> 01:00:06,400 and make that the horrific part of it of like oh but at least like this there's someone there that is the light that is trying to do something to to make it better and then failed and then you know all the horror but no like he fails he fucks up at his job he's bad at his job everyone sucks at their job 359 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:19,400 and everyone is is bad it was at what they're supposed to be doing. Dren is just existing. And so you can't really like feel any sort of way about Dren because Dren is just a Frankenstein's monster. 360 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:28,400 Which I thought was a really big issue that she ends up figuring out how to talk I think kind of at the oh my god. 361 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:44,400 But man I really wish that can I. Okay I'll let you reach and listen to that how to talk earlier because we really needed like her opinion on stuff because I just naturally tried to shift to like Dren is you know the 362 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,400 the hero of this movie I guess. 363 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:52,400 It's the closest thing to yeah what I'm describing as something to root for you know. 364 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,400 Right. 365 01:00:54,400 --> 01:01:11,400 But it's it's just upsetting I think it's it's worth at least experiencing this part even as upsetting as it is but these are the words that Dren does. 366 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:20,400 What do you want. 367 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:29,400 Oh God. 368 01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:30,400 Yeah. 369 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:31,400 No thanks. 370 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:32,400 No thanks. 371 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:44,400 I mean she she spells things at at points tedious is one of the words outside with with some of the same letters but. 372 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:53,400 That is one of the most upsetting things I've ever seen on film ever I'm not I'm not exaggerating it's like the like I was by myself on in my living room just like. 373 01:01:53,400 --> 01:02:04,400 I just want to throw up sending from the screen just like making those noises just like. 374 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,400 And it's not it's I am horrified. 375 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:21,400 That's the thing like I am horrified but not in an entertains good way not in a way that I would I would commend the makers of this movie and be like you know unless that's exactly what you wanted me to feel. 376 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,400 But damn what's what's going on. 377 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,400 Some of the laws in the stinker. 378 01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:38,400 Why did they say that though Zeppelin crashed and burned before my generation. 379 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:50,400 And she's like saying Zeppelin crashed and burned because it's a zeppelin like the goopy knife in the mouth when he like puts Adrian knife in his mouth. 380 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:59,400 They're like oh you know I gotta do that. 381 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:04,400 There's that one shot with the poster in the bedroom there's like a that poster of like an anime or something looks like it's from Akira I thought it was interesting. 382 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:13,400 I thought that was cool to yeah it's cool poster but I just couldn't I was like it looks like a Kyria but I don't know. 383 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:26,400 I think that's the only scene fuck off. Yeah I think yeah I think that whole anytime they'd have to be feeding I think was was just upsetting and not fun. 384 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:34,400 Barbie scene heroine blood splash zone at the conference everyone in that front row really was part of the splash zone. 385 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:46,400 Right like just fucking this OK this is the part where like the humor and they intended it to be this way kind of worked on me and not like laughing at it but laughing with it. 386 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:53,400 Again this whole horrific scene of like the two blobs killing each other it's fucking it's so disgusting and crazy. 387 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:59,400 Jump cut to silence at the boardroom of them just sitting there with like their head in there. 388 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:12,400 It's funny it works that works because it's like you guys suck and you're incompetent and you fucked up and you should see a moment of you guys really sitting with that because there's so much of like let's do this now let's do this or angry or mad like there 389 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:26,400 should be a moment of like resolve like coming to terms with your decisions there's no moment of breathing in this movie at all it's always like and even when they do they decide to dance instead like Adrian Brody or something but a little bit 390 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:44,400 more breathing a little bit more like because the pace the pace is there for like a shitty fucking unintentionally campy movie but you know why does I can I can figure out why he said this. 391 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:57,400 Adrian Brody is like sleeping. Oh wait now I realized now I just fucking figured it out is it because because he's sleeping and then it does a slow zoom in on him on the couch and then he whispers with his eyes closed. 392 01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:58,400 Ouch. 393 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:03,400 And then he wakes up and then he goes into the barn and then I think is that where. 394 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:14,400 No it's after the dancing I have no idea why he said that do you remember that it was such a weird moment he's napping inside the house and then it zooms in on him as I think sir. 395 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:23,400 Paul he's gone because she's pissed that he just had sex with with dren it's probably yeah and then it zooms in on his face and then he goes out. 396 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,400 And then what gets up. 397 01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:42,400 It was such a weird thing that sounds like what it was trying to do is there's like a physical connection between the characters so something happened to dren that dren got hurt and he felt it. 398 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,400 It was confounding and an already. 399 01:05:46,400 --> 01:06:02,400 Inside you yeah and then the very ending I just don't I don't understand I mean I guess I do but it's just such a weird thing of like I don't know who this CEO character is and her. 400 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:12,400 I don't know they've had a couple scenes together the relationship between her and Sarah Polly but right at the end when you find out she's pregnant with a monster dren baby she just slowly goes up behind her and just holds her 401 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:26,400 shoulders for like two minutes and then that's how the movie ends of like I don't know what this means between that I mean I know that she's like she's like you're my fucking property yeah I get that but right okay maybe I get it just doesn't work 402 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:44,400 or whatever but because because that character is never explored none of these characters are really filled out in a way that is satisfying this movie is batshit if you haven't heard of it it's splice you've gone this far I'm the forever guest James this is this is my 403 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:51,400 host Brandon let's let's get into some reviews wouldn't you say or do you need to break her anything. 404 01:06:51,400 --> 01:07:01,400 No we can get into it I mean spoiler alert I've read these reviews because I just I could like immediately was so surprised the critics liked this movie 75% 405 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,400 certified fresh certified. 406 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:17,400 And I okay I mean even it this is something I kind of like to think about as well as like okay so these are the republicans that gave positive reviews on Ron tomatoes that contribute to that certified fresh. 407 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:22,400 Nashville scene. 408 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,400 And me new musical express we know them they're cool. 409 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,400 Horror queers podcast. 410 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:31,400 Okay, the magazine of fantasy and science fiction. 411 01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:36,400 Three imaginary girls. 412 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:48,400 That's like their bio for what they are right so I'm going down the list of critic reviews like a funny and then it says like their name and then their publication so. 413 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:58,400 Content creators that have a podcast that probably look at how this is like a, you know, commentary on trans people right, I guess, would be. 414 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,400 Oh maybe I could read that review. 415 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:09,400 I was just more getting giving the idea of like, these are the people that are a part of the critic reviews it's not necessarily always like no one publications. 416 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:15,400 There's some that maybe you don't know as well like Kevin Carr from fat guys at the movies. 417 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,400 Jessica Baxter from film threat. 418 01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:23,400 She log Rowan leg from that shelf. 419 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,400 So Robbie Colin from news of the world. 420 01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:34,400 Right, so I'm just just am in a little bit of like, because trying to understand that 75%. 421 01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:45,400 But like maybe there's not all these bigger publications but that being said there are a lot of those bigger publications still coming out for this movie. 422 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:50,400 We can do what was it horror queers express is that the one that you're asking about. 423 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:58,400 From trace Thurman three and a half out of five. Nothing can quite prepare you for the last 15 minutes of this movie. 424 01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,400 Trace is right. 425 01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:09,400 And trace enjoyed that for the most part three and a half out of five enjoyed that last 15 minutes from Andrea Huber from NME new musical Express. 426 01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:15,400 The big showdown when it comes is a disappointment but on the reflection that's probably because the determination to get there. 427 01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:26,400 Overshadows the moral ambiguity of human decisions which is as in life where the real horror lies three and a half out of five. 428 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:33,400 Oh, God, they're picking up the philosophical sinew of what the of what splices put it out. 429 01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,400 Yeah, from Jessica Baxter film threat. 430 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,400 The splice has viscera plenty. 431 01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,400 The horror of it isn't in the gore. 432 01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:49,400 It's in the notion that sometimes children end up evil and it might be entirely our fault. 433 01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,400 Damn, Jessica. Damn. 434 01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:52,400 Wow. 435 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,400 Damn, Jessica. 436 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,400 She from Kevin Carr. 437 01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,400 Fat guys at the movies four and a half out of five. 438 01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,400 Oh, just disappeared. Sorry. 439 01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:13,400 He says a grisly and wrong cautionary tale on the dangers of science without regard to consequences. 440 01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,400 That's what they like. 441 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,400 God, it's just hard to. 442 01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:27,400 No, I was just about to say that I feel so mean because all of this I'm like you guys are given this movie way too much credit. 443 01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:38,400 Yeah, like you are doing all the legwork for a movie that is so uninterested in these things that you're mentioning are somewhat presented, but so incredibly half ass about their opinion on it. 444 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:42,400 Like, oh, it really drives me nuts. 445 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,400 Do you think I mean, this is a. 446 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,400 You can now know out of a molehill. 447 01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:53,400 This might be a can of worms, but do you think this shit is happening somewhere? 448 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,400 Oh, my God. 449 01:10:55,400 --> 01:11:01,400 Do you think there's someone out there doing this shit? 450 01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:02,400 I don't want to get conspiratoried. 451 01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:03,400 I don't know. 452 01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:04,400 I'll just that'll be rhetorical. 453 01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:05,400 We can just be rhetorical. 454 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:11,400 There's a part of me that like during this movie, I'm like, people out there doing this shit. 455 01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:22,400 No, like maybe cloning, but and they just like don't tell anybody and they have their own little private like fucking and then they just listen to fucking moracy. 456 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:26,400 I got I hope not because yeah, it's probably wouldn't support this. 457 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:27,400 Definitely not. 458 01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,400 I'm just like what happens to you was wearing something. 459 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,400 It's like, I listen to the Smiths a lot. 460 01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:34,400 Right. 461 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:35,400 Yeah. 462 01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,400 Anyways, I just want to throw that one out there. 463 01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:44,400 Like what if we, I don't know what if this shit is really happening from Kim Newman Empire Magazine four out of five. 464 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:51,400 It doesn't go the complete distance, but this is a wholly admirable, refreshingly grown up science fiction movie. 465 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,400 A Frankenstein with a beating. 466 01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:59,400 Gene Spleys heart and top of the range performances. 467 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:04,400 I'll do the news of the world one from Robbie Colin four out of five. 468 01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:15,400 It's refreshing to see a genre movie that credits credits its audience with a bit of intelligence and splite has a lot going on under the bonnet. 469 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:21,400 The world more like news of the UK bonnet, I don't know, or maybe bonnet. 470 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,400 Who says bonnet? 471 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:24,400 I don't know. 472 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,400 I'll do one more from Nigel Floyd time out. 473 01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,400 There's there's more critic critically favored ones. 474 01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:37,400 Like, I mean, if you if you want to check it out, just just so you know, like there's some reputable people that enjoy this movie. 475 01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:44,400 Actually, I might do a couple more just to show Nigel Floyd from time out says this cronin cronin burguin. 476 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:54,400 Exploration of the perils of interspecies, Jean, Jean, splicing wrestles with some topical and disturbing ideas, but never quite pins them down. 477 01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,400 So it's a little little middle of the road. 478 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:02,400 Man, actually, there are a couple. 479 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,400 Sorry, I'm going to do a couple more. 480 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,400 From Entertainment Weekly gave it a 91. 481 01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:18,400 Lisa Schwartzbaum says it's a cheeky, great looking, thoughtfully loopy creature feature about the lore and dangers of cutting edge Jean splicing. 482 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,400 Manola Dargis from New York Times gave it a 90. 483 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:29,400 Mr. Natalie, whose earlier film films include cube hasn't reinvented the horror genre, but with splice. 484 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:38,400 He has done the next best thing with an intelligent movie that in between its small booze and an occasional hair raising Joel explores chewy issues. 485 01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:51,400 Like bioethics, abortion, corporate sponsored science, commitment problems between lovers, and even Freudian worthy family dynamics. 486 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:52,400 So fascinating. 487 01:13:52,400 --> 01:14:01,400 From Time, a 90 for Mary Poles, the movie is ridiculously over the top, ineligant and so defiantly crazy that it works, reminding you how fun, 488 01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:12,400 the Goron creatures that go bump and grind in the night can be. It's a sci-fi horror film, but no actual comedy has made me laugh as much this year as splice. 489 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:13,400 There we go. 490 01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:19,400 They got everything they wanted out of that movie. They got the whole they got the comedy. I don't understand how they did it, but they did it. 491 01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,400 Michael Ordonnan from LA Times gave it a 90 as well. 492 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:28,400 And its mix are ethical quandaries and biotechnology nature versus nurture and an adorable sexy disturbing monster. 493 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,400 I'm going to read that one more time. 494 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,400 Oh, yeah, please. 495 01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:37,400 Adorable, sexy, disturbing monster. 496 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:38,400 Yikes. 497 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:45,400 So there's that. But it wins best in show by focusing on one of the weirder relationship triangles in recent memory. 498 01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:52,400 Thank you, Michael Ordonnan from LA Times for reminding us of the adorable, sexy, disturbing monster. 499 01:14:52,400 --> 01:15:01,400 One more from Joe Morgan, certain Wall Street Journal 90. I just had to get these. I did some of the more obscure ones. These are the main main boys. 500 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:19,400 And gals, the film and days and splices. The film takes itself frivously when that's appropriate from some of its charmingly silly and seriously when as is often the case, all sorts of good surprises are unleashed. 501 01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:25,400 Let's check out some audience feelings from the one star varietal. 502 01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:31,400 Let's see from Marlene Puente, one star out of five. 503 01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:39,400 Nope, nope, nope. I get the whole concept regarding going to foreign science experiments and where to draw the line. But holy hell, this was disturbing to watch. 504 01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:47,400 I absolutely hate Elsa's character to she selfish, manipulative, doesn't think about the consequences consequences of her actions. 505 01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:54,400 And I'm surprised when Dren becomes sexually curious. She's truly evil and morally disturbed. 506 01:15:54,400 --> 01:16:04,400 I was genuinely disgusted when Dren had sex with a boyfriend and then spontaneously switched genders only to have sex with Elsa and impregnate her. 507 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:11,400 Yeah, from Cherise the Bean, the Bean one star out of five. 508 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,400 What the Badoof did I just watch? 509 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,400 Oh, what the Badoof? 510 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:26,400 Serious, it's pretty gross. So basically this girl decided to mix humans and alien and it ends up weird murder and stuff and a guy tried to murder the alien human hybrid thing and it didn't die. 511 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:31,400 I would prefer to see the mute to tic tac eater, but it didn't. 512 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,400 Afterward, I felt bad. 513 01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:38,400 But afterward, both of the two main characters they're discussing my brain. It's broken. 514 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,400 Yeah, it sounds like it. 515 01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,400 From Obreze 89 one star out of five. 516 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,400 Honestly, top 50 worst movies all time. 517 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:52,400 Adrian Brody and Sarah Polly are terrible. The acting does nothing to help this movie's disjointed plot. 518 01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:57,400 People people write reviews trying to put an open minded spin on garbage. 519 01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:03,400 Nothing like creating a monster than having sex with it only to have it change sexes and rape the other main character. Sorry. 520 01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:07,400 Beginning to end waste of time. 521 01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:08,400 Sorry. 522 01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:11,400 From Jake Merrill one star out of five. 523 01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:25,400 The female co main character is absolutely insufferable. Not only does she consistently manipulate her boyfriend, but she also makes complete, completely rash decisions that a supposed great scientist, let alone person of sound mind would not make. 524 01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:35,400 Maybe if she was better written alongside better writing of the movie in general, then this movie might be bearable. 525 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,400 Man, I'll do one more. 526 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:44,400 Jenny Yang one star. Dude, I can't even look at. Oh, I am traumatized says Jenny Yang. 527 01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:48,400 Dude, I can't even look at someone that looks like Dren the same. 528 01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,400 Like it's going to remind me of the movie. 529 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:54,400 Acting is pretty good to the point where the characters annoy me. 530 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:58,400 One sir. 531 01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:21,400 The actors people are really upset about the essay in this in this movie is is a lot of these reviews are surrounding because it's it happens in the end in a very like climactic sort of way that the movie is leading to and not only that but there is an unwanted pregnant pregnancy that comes of it. 532 01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:26,400 And that is like the sting of the movie is the result of that moment and. 533 01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,400 Yeah, it's crazy. 534 01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,400 Slowly insane. 535 01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:35,400 So I don't know if I can barrel down. 536 01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:39,400 What, like what are the critics like about this like they. 537 01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:45,400 They were honing in on all of those philosophical quandaries. 538 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:49,400 They will mention the humor. 539 01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:55,400 Which is thinking kind of a campy way that almost we are like. 540 01:18:55,400 --> 01:19:10,400 I had mentioned that at least some campy stuff in the end in a way this is like an entertaining to but it still doesn't make complete sense to me why they would actually rate this positive. 541 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,400 Agreed. 542 01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,400 I don't understand. 543 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:22,400 And maybe it's a maybe it's a del Toro recency bias of pans labyrinth being close enough to this. 544 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,400 It's not like they gave they gave they give hellboy many favors. 545 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,400 I don't know. 546 01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,400 Yeah. 547 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:31,400 Yeah, especially the second one right. 548 01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,400 So that's the one he did. 549 01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,400 Yeah, a lot of people do really like that one. 550 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,400 Yeah, it's fun. 551 01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:43,400 And he didn't necessarily direct this, but it is for the better parts of it. 552 01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:59,400 Some of the design and the conceptual work for its best moments maybe arc and to one of his movies, but the actual meat of the story and the characters are completely lost on me. 553 01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:04,400 The things that they're attempting to work. 554 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:14,400 I don't know. Maybe they're working too well on me where I actually like cringe so hard that I cannot look at the screen anymore. And I know that in some horror movies, maybe that's a good thing. 555 01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:21,400 But for this one, it's so upsetting that I no longer find titillation with it. 556 01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,400 Like, there's a little bit. 557 01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:28,400 There's a little bit of the human centipede thing of just like, look how fucking far they took this. 558 01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:33,400 Can you believe how fucking far they took this batshit movie? 559 01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:37,400 And it's not good. 560 01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,400 I don't support it. 561 01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:45,400 I hated the characters. I hated the story. I hated where it went. There's some elements that. 562 01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,400 Wow. 563 01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,400 This is your final summation. 564 01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:50,400 Yeah, I'm going to finish it up. 565 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:55,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because it like there's some elements that this is such a great final summation. 566 01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,400 I just a list of eating. 567 01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:04,400 I was really I was trying to I was trying to like come to terms with it since I watched it of like. 568 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:15,400 There's artists. It's upsetting because there are there's like some artistry. There is even like some pretty creative shots like it opens up on the POV of someone being fucking born. 569 01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,400 That's a pretty cool opening of a movie. 570 01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,400 Like I kind of I think it's kind of cool. 571 01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,400 Like, if you can do that, well, like, I don't know. Like, oh, wow. 572 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:29,400 We're really starting with the birth of something like and this is this is birthing me into the story of the movie. 573 01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:34,400 Like, but then some of that. Yeah, that maybe comes across as like. 574 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,400 Okay to me. 575 01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:42,400 Yeah, like someone think they had like kind of an edge or sort of thing where like someone thinks that it's so much more meaningful than than it actually is. 576 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:47,400 And it's actually just kind of the the substance of it is kind of bullshit. 577 01:21:47,400 --> 01:22:04,400 And then there's some trappings above like the conceptual design of the monster and everything I can see on paper being like, wow, you found a way to combine anatomical sort of attributions to different mammals and animals and everything like that, 578 01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:13,400 and combine it into a character that grows into kind of three distinct representations throughout its time. 579 01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:20,400 And maybe I guess for when it goes into the mail point, which happens very quickly, like it turns into no one happens like two seconds all its features change. 580 01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,400 But who am I, who am I to say this is a new creature. 581 01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:40,400 But there are moments where I'm just like looking at the creature like wow, like they really thought out its design, the effects somehow when they instill the real person in with the creature like it kind of it holds up like pretty well, 582 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:49,400 I guess I'm trying to think of like some positives like whoever that the actress that that plays the creature she does, she does a good job. 583 01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:55,400 But fuck is it disturbing in a way that I would never want to see again. 584 01:22:55,400 --> 01:23:09,400 It reminded me of how bad shit it was and yes, it's just it's it's not a good movie but it's like, it's it's sort of like interest like you can't really look away from certain things but it's like sensationalist in that way. 585 01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:25,400 Where it's it's feeding on you to continue watching because it's going at this pace it's doing things that it's like oh what if we did this what if we push the plot to this point, but it never questions like why the characters would actually do that. 586 01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:34,400 So it's never believable it's never like you're you're in it's in the palm of the of the creators of this movie's hand. 587 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:39,400 It's just like surface level stuff that I like some conceptual stuff. 588 01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:50,400 Some moments like the blob stuff some ideas there's some ideas that like in better hands maybe could be handled with more delicacy or better care. 589 01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:57,400 You can relate this to some other things that might be better like Cronenberg or Frankenstein or something like that. 590 01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:08,400 But for the reasons I already lined up I just I needed like a shining light of hope in this movie somewhere like I needed some sort of like person to be like, here's the plan of how we're going to deal with this. 591 01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:18,400 I don't know, like even like some of my favorite movies that have dread true dread in them are some of my favorite horror movies of like, 592 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:28,400 Fash like how are we going to and then just gets worse and worse and worse. But in a lot of those movies like there's a point where someone comes along or that or like oh we have this plan. 593 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:33,400 If we do this exactly it's a low chance of working but if we if we follow this plan we can do it. 594 01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:39,400 Neither of them come to an agreement about a plan or what to do that will actually like solve it. 595 01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:45,400 They are constantly like coming up with fucking temporary solutions that you know we're never going to fucking work out. 596 01:24:45,400 --> 01:25:01,400 And you can tell that they know that too. And there's just no there's no sense of control. There's no sense of comfort and sounds kind of intuitive and how horrible if you want to be uncomfortable but it's just not enjoyable and not fun not to the 597 01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:15,400 lady even like we you brought up like a little lady and a fucked up way but not for me and like it follows even it's like that is the essence of dread there's always going to be someone falling there's always going to be something coming for you. 598 01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:23,400 But what happens in the movie do but what happens at the beginning of the movie. The guy sits her down is like hey this is this is how long I've made it. 599 01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:39,400 I'm giving it to you but this is your best chance of making it through this is this direction that and I'm giving it to you and plot wise and and you know I don't need to be you know sharing tips from a better movie or anything but there's just 600 01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:49,400 there's things within a dreadful situation that can give some life to the ride that you're about to go on. 601 01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:57,400 So like yeah like a one out of four would be like 25 right so I'd give it like 18 I'll give it like an 18. 602 01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,400 Yeah. 603 01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,400 I mean we're something like that. 604 01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,400 I think it's like reprehensible. 605 01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:12,400 Okay so that's so that's how my sense of like it like goes dips below because it like it's offensive. 606 01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:25,400 So that's that's a big part of how I'm going to review this or what the score, what my score is going to be so you've outlined a majority of the things that have already been said and the things that I would say about not liking the movie so I don't 607 01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:49,400 need to rehash them about this movie is just absolutely poor and almost every aspect of trying to accomplish what it's like you know things that it finds interesting executing on concepts or ideas in horror movies and other movies all of it's really bad and then it's reprehensible and then it has two essay scenes in this movie that are 608 01:26:49,400 --> 01:27:15,400 wholly undeserving. I don't think they add anything to the movie and are just shocking for the sake of shocking and I don't think essay should be used that way at all because it should if you're going to have that in your movie it should be to the effect of making a very clear and point about your perspective on this and it doesn't do that do that at all so I'm going to actually give this movie a 1% 609 01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:41,400 Fuck yeah this is the like I don't ever want to watch this movie ever again. It's it's fucking sucks it's it drove me nuts. It uses that as a horror. Yeah, horror tactic and I mean I guess I don't know fucking last house in the left or whatever fucking shit like uses the the vehicle of human depravity and in a way that like, yeah, I don't know it almost like knows what it's doing. 610 01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:46,400 Yeah, that's completely reasonable and in this movie. 611 01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:56,400 It does it in a way as a as a climactic moment and as it's ellipsis is there's the cause of that and it's. 612 01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:04,400 Yeah, not good. No, not good. Okay, so before we end the podcast I have some magnetized for us. Oh my God. 613 01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:21,400 So we're going to do so we don't know since it's just me and James on this episode what's going to happen is we're going to play magnetize just a game we played before where I am going to give a movie that has the same score from critics and audiences on rotten tomatoes. 614 01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:36,400 James is going to try to guess said score. And then, since it's just him typically there would be like another person here and whoever gets closest would win a point we'd go to three. So what we're going to do is 21. 615 01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:54,400 If you are off so every time you guess say you're off you know by however many from what the number is we're going to just tally up the differences after three and if you get if you go over 21 points difference you lose you say within it you win. 616 01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:58,400 Okay, got it. Right. Gotcha. 617 01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:16,400 All right. So the first movie is nightmare on Elm Street three dream warriors. Oh, fuck. Wow. I love when there's older movies represented on rotten tomatoes and this has been something that I've been wanting for this podcast to is finding some of these older 618 01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:30,400 movies that are polarized. But what happens with older movies is people tend to I feel like come to the same conclusion about them because more time has passed they can sit with it for a bit. Polarizing reactions are kind of reactionary in themselves I feel like. 619 01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:43,400 So yeah, and this one I feel like has grown in people's esteem as time has gone on. Well actually I don't know how people react when it first came out but I just went through the nightmare on Elm Street movies up to three. 620 01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:53,400 I don't think I got to four. I think I just did one two and three last Halloween. I ended up enjoying this one quite a bit so I'm going to do. 621 01:29:53,400 --> 01:30:13,400 74 74 coming from James on probably there on Elm Street three dream warriors is 68. Oh, that's not bad. Okay, I'll take it. So you said what did you say 74 74. 622 01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:31,400 Okay, okay. So people like that. That's your six. That's probably better than two. Okay. All right. Dream Wars. Good. This six difference. They like it's there's like lore that's added to that movie that like should come up like if they do more Elm Street 623 01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:49,400 and I know they remade it at one point with the with the Rooney Mara and stuff but like that dream warrior stuff they can like you the way to fight back in your dreams of like finding your your warrior element like and find back against Freddie in your own way was really cool. 624 01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:56,400 Yeah, absolutely. And people loved it more a lot more than the second one. 625 01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:16,400 So it was one of those situations kind of yeah, it goes ones a classic to by and large hated and three is where it, you know, makes a course correction for the better and really just gets bigger and you know more action which yeah, has a tendency to yeah, I don't 626 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:30,400 be more populist. There are some of those horror movies where it's like the odds are good or the evens are good I like between Friday and 13th and Halloween and like odds and events are are good depending on which one. 627 01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,400 Sure. Yeah. 628 01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:39,400 All right, next movie is Tucker and Dale versus evil. 629 01:31:39,400 --> 01:32:01,400 Oh, this one's good. Okay. This has got to be positive. This is something that really appealed to me as somebody that didn't watch a lot of horror movies to see a satire of a really spoke to me and being able to laugh but then also have a lot of horror elements. 630 01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,400 I'm going to say this is this is probably like 82. 631 01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:17,400 82 coming from James. This is a good one. Tucker and Dale versus evil should be certified freshy fresh and say it again you say 82 I think it's good. 632 01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:21,400 82. It is 85. 633 01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:34,400 Wow. Okay, James, you're in a good position moving into the man. You got a total of nine difference. So shit man you got I fuck this up one time we need to this game. 634 01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:39,400 For me I feel like the third one I like completely was off base so anything can happen. 635 01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:47,400 Well, that's the thing right is like it's really not difficult for you to be like, this was a 65 and it's an 85 and then bang you're done. 636 01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:51,400 So yeah, this could go this ago bad quickly so. 637 01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:53,400 All right. 638 01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:58,400 Last movie is I am legend. 639 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:10,400 Fuck a Philip K Dick story I've recently started my first Philip K Dick's book called Ubic I think is how you pronounce it you be I K. 640 01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:27,400 It's like it's great within the first like 10 pages it's already like introducing shit that just blows my mind like people die or like they don't even really die they just like keep them around in this like place like they upload their mind to like this thing and then you can like visit them every year. 641 01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:39,400 But then like there it slowly like drains like their life force kind of drains away to the point where like they do actually like they put them in this place where you can like every year go go talk to them for like a day. 642 01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:44,400 And then they like prolong them that's just ideas that like. 643 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,400 Yeah and then I watched. 644 01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:56,400 I'm sorry every one of these movies I'm just going on my own little train but I watched this movie called a glitch in the matrix it's a documentary about how we might be living in a simulation. 645 01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:01,400 Oh cool yeah about like that's a trap possibility of that. 646 01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:22,400 And a big part of that the follow through like a big part of that documentary that they kept on going back to was there was this time when Philip K Dick like went to this book reading and instead of like doing a book reading he brought like this stack of papers that he printed out and he gave this like hold dissertation about like how we might be like living in a 647 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:38,400 simulation and just like talking about all this. Oh my god that sounds like it is essentially like a big part of his inspiration for man in high castle or that one is of like he says he has like these false memories about the Nazis winning World War two and how there's like this 648 01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:48,400 alternate reality of that really existing and that's why a man in high castles essentially that about if Nazis won the war. 649 01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:57,400 Yeah. So anyways where the fuck are we. I am legend I am legend I'm going to give I am legend. 650 01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:01,400 In 89. 651 01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:02,400 89. 652 01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:06,400 It's pretty favorable on I am legend people is that too high. 653 01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,400 I don't know. 654 01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:12,400 The score for I am legend is 60%. 655 01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:18,400 Damn really I thought people like that one that was way too high shit so that was like way over 21. 656 01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:19,400 Yeah. 657 01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:24,400 Fuck yeah I fucked up really 68 damn 68 yeah because it's not that great of a movie. 658 01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:29,400 Yeah I don't know why I thought people rated it so high. 659 01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:31,400 Shit why. 660 01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:40,400 Hey it was a good you know what we just we got close you got close. 661 01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:44,400 There we are that is magnetized. 662 01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,400 What a game. What a game. 663 01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:57,400 These numbies man I love I love stats sometimes when and especially ascribing numerical quantities to movies is something I'm trying to do more of and we've been doing on this podcast. 664 01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:08,400 I question every single time I read a movie but damn when it's like an average out thing it makes it kind of interesting how things come to those conclusions. 665 01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:18,400 The movie like splice doesn't exist maybe in conversation wise between people but out on the web on Ron Tomatoes. 666 01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:23,400 Critics scores are still out there and black and white and it is 75%. 667 01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,400 And that's something that I have to live with. 668 01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:32,400 We both have to live with the fact that we have to that's a critically acclaimed movie. 669 01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:38,400 And I have to live with the fact that I fucking suck at my own game. 670 01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,400 You need such a great game James I love it. 671 01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:56,400 I guess it's the opposite of our podcast we'll do another one on on magnetized movies but then it'll just be a lot of like wow can you believe how much people agree on things isn't our world great people agree on everything exactly how they should. 672 01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:02,400 Thank you for arousing segment to tally us off here. 673 01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:20,400 We hope you guys have enjoyed our very gratuitous it's been it's been a solid healthy discussion of a batshit movie of a batshit creature that probably has some bat in there mixed in wings are pretty bat like. 674 01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:29,400 For our next feature for our next discussion, we will be continuing the horror train. 675 01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:31,400 It's the horror Novo. 676 01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:35,400 Octo Novo horror Novo Octo. 677 01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:42,400 And we're going to a Russell Crowe experience. 678 01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:53,400 He is the exorcist for the pope he isn't exercising the pope is from one effort but he's the exorcist for the pope he is the pope's exorcists. 679 01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:55,400 This movie came out this year in 2023. 680 01:37:55,400 --> 01:38:04,400 It has a poopy doopey snoopy 48% from the critics it has a hotty toddy 81% from the audience side of things. 681 01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:13,400 We will be here to discuss another Russell Crowe free Russell Crowe feature. 682 01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:18,400 We did unhinged this episode might get unhinged that we discuss the pope's exorcist I can only hope so. 683 01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:24,400 Because I feel a little unhinged myself after that. 684 01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:38,400 That movie that far this fucking movie so glad we were able to do this this was kind of like closure for me after seeing it's almost what 15 years ago in the movie theater and thinking about it every now and then. 685 01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:44,400 Yeah, you ever yeah you have those movies you haven't you only seen once but then every now and then you wake up and you're like fuck. 686 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:54,400 Remember that fucking splice movie where they created a creature and then had they both had sex with it and now it's it's closure. 687 01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:56,400 I can put it away. 688 01:38:56,400 --> 01:39:06,400 I can never think of it again hopefully and we can move on to bigger better things like pope's exorcist I'm hoping for the best brandini speaking at the best. 689 01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:08,400 Oh stop that. 690 01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,400 Yeah, I don't think it. 691 01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:13,400 Yeah, I was hoping. 692 01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,400 This has been a true pledge. 693 01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:17,400 Yeah. 694 01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:21,400 It's so premium. 695 01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:43,400 I'm a premium co host. I have been your forever guest with the co most and if you'd like to reach us at any other place polarized the pod at gmail.com twitch.tv slash polarized we're streaming live as you speak as I speak you're not speaking I'm speaking shut up. 696 01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:54,400 Polarize pod. We love you all please join us next time for pope's exorcist enjoy your spooky season and we'll see you next time. 697 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,400 Bye. 698 01:39:56,400 --> 01:40:14,400 Bye. 699 01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:21,400 Inside you. 700 01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:28,400 I'm Albert.