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Hello, hi, everybody. Welcome to the podcast of the polarized podcast, the home for all

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your polarizing movie needs. I am one of your hosts, James. Welcome. We are talking a spooky movie

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in the middle of a tail end of summertime. We're in we're an ongy dogy season tail end of ogy

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dogy. It is sequel time as well. We did bad boys two last week, we're doing scream to this week.

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It's a polarizing movie. What that means is the critics love this one and audience. Not so not so

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much feeling it. We got an 82% from the critics. We have a 58% from the audience. That means it's

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polarizing. They disagree on it on rotten tomatoes. Sometimes audiences favorite as well. And then

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the critics don't like it. But either way, they disagree. These are all the movies that we talk

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about here, the movies that people just can't seem to get on the same page about. And the past couple

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ones have been sequels. And we're jumping right into a franchise in its second outing.

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And that creates, you know, some feelings that is just many of those feelings about sequels

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are discussed in this movie itself, which is a fascinating, metatextual commentary that is

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inherent in all of these screen movies. I'm so happy to join you today. Before I go any further

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into the real, the real meaty, the real important topic today, which is scream to I would like to

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introduce my trusty companion. He has lasted this far we have we are the co conspirators of this

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podcast if you will. Maybe he's is he the Loomis am I the Matt? What's Matt Lillard's character? I

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don't know if this was a murder that had to take place this podcast. Then we would be on the scene

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as the Loomis and the Matthew will herd me the forever guest. Him? The man with the plan. It is

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Brandini? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, all rise kingdom. Welcome me. Welcome. Welcome you, James

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Welcome me. Welcome you. We should be every every app.

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Hi. That's my new greeting. Hey.

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Welcome you. Welcome you. Welcome you. What's up man?

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What up? Hey, how's it going? It's fun to jump. I feel like we're jumping around in the podcast

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today. We didn't get into too much small talk before it. So you guys would just, I mean,

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we're small talking right now. Yeah. And you guys are here for it. Isn't that great? This is,

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this is how this is our relationship. And this is our relationship. I want to establish you

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like have been watching some of these movies recently. So I'm going to be referring to you for

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maybe some scream one knowledge or perhaps some spoilers for the later entries in the franchise

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if we want to go there. But yeah, how the hell are you? I'm doing well, man. I, you know, a little

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concert update. I went and saw my morning jacket recently that and I also saw a yellow card somewhat

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recently. Whoa. So I have some concert updates for all of those people. We're doing concert update.

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We do that segment sometimes. I got some concert updates. So man, I'm doing good. I'm feeling good

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about it. I'm a little stressed that summer's over almost over because that's my favorite.

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Yeah. A little, a little stressed, a little anxious because, you know, I just, it's that

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fleeting feeling like, you know, sand running, you know, falling through your fingers where time

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is here in the rain. And this, yeah. And that summer's going away, baby. And I hate to see it go.

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I really do. Yeah. But sometimes you just got to, you got to let the chick go and let it,

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let it see if it can fly from the nest and that's, and it'll, it'll fly and it'll come back next

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summer with, with more stories to tell. I don't know what this, where this metaphor is going.

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I love it. Oh, it was so philosophical. I lost it.

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You're a big time summer guy. I'm a huge summer. I'm kind of looking forward to the transition

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now to summer. I mean, there's a part of me that is sick of sweating 24 seven. So there,

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that part of me is really stoked about it getting cooler. But man, I don't know. It's just the,

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the summer vibes are maculant. I just, you know, I've enjoyed the summer as well. Yeah,

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I've enjoyed the vibe. I know. I know. I've had a few concerts myself and yeah, let's

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can I reveal a con? I don't think I've told you this, Brandon, but I also went to a concert.

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Tell me, I went to see me. And if my guests, if our guests wants to jump in at any time and

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we'll introduce you as we go along as well, but you're welcome to jump in at any time. Don't

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feel like you have to, you have to sit here for concert review, but I went to the Ares tour

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of a little artist known as Taylor Swift. Holy shit. I don't know.

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I don't think yeah, there's a win. And it was, how I would describe it. I'm not the biggest Taylor

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Swift fan and I had a Swifty is what I'm not the biggest. Okay. See, that's why. See, you already

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know. See, I didn't even use the proper nomenclature. I'm not the biggest Swifty. I love, I do love a

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good, good Swifty. Oh my God, you're going to make so many of them mad that you're not a big Swifty.

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Okay. Oh, well, I'm, well, the reason I say that I am a big one. I'm just not the biggest.

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I definitely love her. I went to the fucking concert. Of course I love her. But I just know

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there's other, there's others that weren't there that are probably even bigger fans than I am.

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So that's, that's almost like a, like, I don't know if I fill the prerequisite to some of the

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more hardcore Swifties to, to earn a, to go to a show, but I went and I enjoyed myself and it,

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it, how I describe it was the best concert I've ever seen in my life in terms of production.

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And, and she, she played 44 fucking songs and the whole conceit of the show and the tour

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is the era is, yeah. So she goes through chunks of her, her whole career and does like, I don't know,

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like five, four to six months. Yeah. Like four to six and some of them are like shorter. And then

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she does a couple of surprise songs for that are different for each show. Mine got special exile,

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exile, the Bonnie Bear song from folklore. You didn't come out, but I like that song.

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But yeah, like, I say that because maybe I like other other bands, maybe a bit better. And I would

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say like, when I like, I would like, oh, maybe that's another like a radio head show is my favorite

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show I've ever been to. But as far as like production value and everything that was involved

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with it is like, it's like, and I saw a SoFi stadium and I've never been to that stadium before and

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the very big and, and you just hear, I never heard that many people screening lyrics to a song. And

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it almost was like a nerd. It almost like felt like being in like, I don't know, just like a Colton.

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Yeah. Or like an apocalypse. Yeah.

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Or like the Senate at like stars just like, right. This is how democracy.

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And it was in like a circle. I just never, I've never heard that sound before. It was made me

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like, it was like emotional. Like when I first started and I was just like, Oh, wow, like this,

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I've never experienced anything like this before. And it makes me want to be like, come on, Ray,

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you had doing errors tour, doing errors tour for me. Go through all the albums and just my morning

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jacket, doing errors. Everyone doing errors tour and just go through and do like very like

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chrono. It wasn't fully chronological, but just eat chunks of your albums. But I feel like if

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taking too much time, I just had to give my, my, my sweet. I thought you enjoyed it, man.

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It was awesome. Yeah. Do you, do you have your favorite era? I was trying to figure out what to

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dress myself. Your favorite era at the show. Yeah. I guess that could be a thing to not like,

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you know, so much of like what music outside of the concert era wise, like what album of hers

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you liked the most, but what era maybe you saw was your favorite too? Maybe that's,

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yeah, I mean, that might be two different questions, but I'd say, but I'd say if I had to

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round them into one, I think, and this, you know, at the risk of plugging our other podcast,

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broad pod where we talk about music producers, we just talked about Max Martin and I spent a lot of

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time listening to, you know, both red and 1989. And I feel like 1989 is just, I don't know if it's

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my, hi, yeah, it's, it's tough because it's when I, and the way that I think about that question

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is like, if I could only have one Taylor, I feel like that's a pretty good one to have. But then

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also it's like, then you miss a little bit of the more country folksy stuff. If you just,

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that's a little bit more of the arena pop everything, but man, when she played those songs,

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that was like, like shaking off must have been pretty incredible. Yeah. That red, I think,

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was when things were at the peak, like people fucking going crazy. And I was red is my favorite

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album of hers. Incredible album. Incredible album. And that's, that's how I trouble. That was my

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dress. How did I dress because I was like, how am I going to dress in air? So I wore a red shirt.

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And oh, you got into it. That's fun. I did my best in some red, in some red Nike shoes. And

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then I, and when I got there, I realized there was like, like, I saw 20 other guys wearing the

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exact same outfit as me because we can figure out what I'll do. Oh, red shirt. That'll work.

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So, oh my, well, that's so, I mean, that's, hey, that's the benefit of being a guy. You can just

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be like, oh, this is me trying. And everybody's like, oh, great. Good for you. Oh, he tried. Isn't

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that so wonderful. But I really love folklore as well. I think that album is amazing. And that

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has like, you know, the, the Desner national sort of sound to it. And I think that, yeah,

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that one was a mirror ball might be my favorite song that's on that album. And oh, cool. Yeah.

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Yeah. For sure. Um, God, what, I was just going to ask you one more thing before we introduce

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our guests. I know. Sorry. Sorry. Our favorite guest. Yeah. We'll get, we love you. The question

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I was going to ask you was fuck, maybe God, it was Oh, and Heim also opened by the way. Oh,

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oh, wow. And then they came out for, oh, what's the song? I know he did it, but I just can't prove

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it. The one it's on evermore. And they, they sang that together and that was so cool.

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Seen fucking and they sounded amazing opening. And me and you, Brandini, I'm sure we covered

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this on the past concert review when we saw the chili peps at the Pepco Park. Perhaps.

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I'm open and they're just like a great, it's an amazing in an arena. I was born.

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And we showed up a little bit late like when they were, when they like, I just got on. But

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man, they, they filled that fucking space so well. And these, these sounds, I was going to

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address peppers would be a good band to do an era's tour because they have so many different

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sounds over the years. Like this, so they would really have a lot, a lot of bands, you know,

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they've been around a long time, but like a lot of their eras are, it's still very clearly the same

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band where Taylor had so much evolution from album to album and the chili peppers are a lot like

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that. And as I agree, and they kind of did that, but it's just the her, it's so much as the production,

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right? Cause I just, you know, my, I'm changing is like costume changes, backdrop changes, all of

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that stuff, which is certainly not a change. Again, I watched the, watched the concert. Oh my God.

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Yeah. So many live streams. Like a whole cabin and shit for like, she just fucking sings like a

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cabin at one point. It's, it's crazy. It's wild. I, yeah. It's going to be a cherished concert memory

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for me and has like invigorating even new love for her as well. So like listening to her now,

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it's just even, even better, more better. That's what I would say about my morning jacket, man.

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I haven't really listened to too many of their albums, but I've listened to a couple over the

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years and seeing them live for the first time that that is just immaculate vibes. We were talking

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about immaculate vibes for the summer. My morning jacket is just really like so good live. His voice

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sounds incredible. And I think the song selection is just amazing. You know, there, it's slow and

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meditative at times, but really it just brings so much energy when it needs to that you never like,

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it's not, it's not too like, let's just sit down and enjoy this. It always still maintains a level

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of like, we're at a concert. We're together. We're here, you know, feeling the music. It breathes. Yeah.

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And, but then there's some like, I'm thinking of like Z and like, keep it off the record.

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It's kind of like a, it's a downbeat sort of like almost like a reggae, almost a dub dub dub style

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a little bit. Dub style. You know, you know, dub style. Maybe we're going to do that too much.

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Okay. So we're avoiding being canceled. Let's bring in our guest. You may know him from

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wonderful past episodes. And then knocking knock. What is it knocking down the house? Knocked down

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the house knocked down the house knocked down the house. What else do we got? What was the last one?

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Fuck, help me out, James. Well, we didn't do great. A show meant together. Did we? Didn't we do a

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musical together? No. Do what? Which one? I don't feel bad. Yeah. What was the last one?

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Oh, it came back for a deer Evan Hansen. The musical. Yeah. It was a musical. I know you have

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a great show. I mean, just prior to that. And we, yes, because we were on this musical. Got it. Okay.

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Well, bring him in. Bring him in. Hey, we got air more. Yes. Yes. We're here. Man. Oh, thank you

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for coming back. That waving through the window is on my playlist of this year. Like I can't,

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I love it when it comes up on this playlist I made. I just, I can't, I can't help myself. I love

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waving through the window. I think that's such a like great musical song. Yeah. He's in a new

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movie coming out. It's like about theater camp or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Classic. Classic.

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Looks kind of funny. Looks good. He just, yeah, we get it. He was in theater. Let's see him in

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other stuff. It's like a whole movie. Is he going to be a counselor or is he going to be

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another movie where he's like ghoulishly shambles around the screen pretending to be a teenager?

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Right. Yeah. I don't know if I can do it. I don't know if I can go to camp mother and father.

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Just, yeah, it's anxiously shuffling around and like sure, sure. Like shooting his head

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forward to belt out these notes. Like, and he's like, yeah, just forehead just bulging. He's

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like fully bald at this point. He's punch show. Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's, it's that bit from

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not another teen movie where they're making fun of I've never been kissed.

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It's just, yeah, clearly, clearly not a student. I'm thinking this movie. Let's, let's, yeah.

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Let's have American summer as well. You know, like the prequels in there. It's like 20 years later,

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they make the prequels and everyone's older, but they don't hide it. It's such a funny bit that

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lasts the whole season of the show. Amazing. Just the idea to in the thing of like TV, where you

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just make people look worse rather than better is such a funny thing. I know that Mac and Sonny

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is a good example of that where you just got super fat. Now he's all ripped. But I that's just

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to, to continue on. And this, if we're, if we're going to get into, into this franchise, I mean,

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everybody's just everybody's a snack and all these movies.

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It's a snack, but also, yeah, to the point we're making here is clearly not of high school age.

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Oh, no. It is aggressive when you just like college, but yeah.

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But like freshman in college, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like this went to college. Yeah. Freshman

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in college, but they look like they're all 27. But you know what? Another one has their journey.

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Everybody looks, everybody looks good. Oh, yeah. I'm love. That's I think this. Yeah. If we can,

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if you just want to start there, the cast of this movie is impeccable, especially maybe they weren't

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who they were at the time, but then looking back on it, it really holds up when you see

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you fucking Joshua Jackson have one line in a classroom. You're like, Hey, it's fucking Doss,

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Dawson's, or he's Dawson in the titular Dawson's Creek, right? It's his Creek.

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Uh-huh. Right. That's it. All right. So let's mark that.

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Oh, but that class thing scene, I think that that's a fun, that's a fun conversation.

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It's incredibly fun. We can start with the cold open instead.

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Yeah. Let's talk about that cold open because, you know, one thing I would say is that,

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you know, the kind of energy and attitude that Jada pink is bringing, I could understand a little

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bit where Will Smith was coming from. With what? Which part? She is, she's difficult in this. Would

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you not agree? Like she is, I not to say that Omar apps is being like a, you know, a gentleman by

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and large, you know, you know, he's kind of being a sleaze, but she is like, absolutely really being

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a jerk and like rude and not pleasant to be around like the whole real spoil sport, just a real nag.

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But he's also being, yeah, total sleaze, just not very considerate.

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No, not at all. She wants to see that Sandra Bullock picture.

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Right. But everyone's lining up for stab. It looks like an event. I mean,

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Oh yeah. And then, right. But then it starts right off the bat, right? For Omar, where he's like,

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wants to go see a horror movie because it like makes being scared makes people horny or something

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like that. To that effect. He's not. I'll get us in the mood. I'm like, oh, gross, dude. Come on.

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But we got Omar apps and Jada pink it and like really there. It's the same shit across the board

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with those cast is like everybody is on this upswing. These are so huge, exciting, you know,

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young Hollywood actors, which I mean, not for nothing, you know, a fair amount of them have

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had really lengthy and successful careers. I mean, fuck, we got to leave Shriver in this.

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We got a Jada, you know, Timothy fucking. I don't know. Those people have had great careers. Love,

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love Timothy. Whoa, Jerry O'Connell. Yeah. Oh yeah. And Jerry O'Connell is great. He has,

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he I don't know. He's got this. He's got this kind of look at this movement to him that I don't know.

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Kara has mentioned he was one of her favorite. My wife has his one of her favorite people that

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she's ever worked with was was Jerry O'Connell. He was that's great. He was a sweetheart. Oh,

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I get it. He kind of exudes that innately, you know, that he is a sweetheart and such a good

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good looking dude. Yeah. And he glowed up too, because he was, you know, and what is the stand

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stand by me is up by me. Yeah. Stand by me. Stand by me. Stand by me. Stand by me. Stand

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Jerry O'Connell. And he all of a man. He all of a young tea all of a font a in this. And I loved it.

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He has always been bringing that crazy people at the Shire never going to believe this back in

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the saw. So I'm all for it. I was a problem. So we're going to move on past that. Sorry.

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No, we are leaving that one in. No, I think you're yeah, you're right. You should like when you

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go when you go to the Shire, James, let me know how they don't believe you.

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Oh, whatever the fuck. Oh, come on. That's from Robin Hood. That's from Robin. Okay.

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All right. Well, we're moving on now. You can't. Where am I Robin? You got your Robin hood in your

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Lord of the Rings. Let's get out of here. Damn. Have your chocolate and my peanut butter.

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Could you imagine Robin Hood could could just roll up into Lord of the Rings?

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Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. You're right. Okay. So back to the screen.

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So the start of this movie is out of movie pretty meta. Right?

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We're talking about right off the bat. Right off the bat, too. Like both of them are talking about

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like black representation in film and media and everything. And they're talking about,

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you know, that just it's that kind of metatexual sort of thing is already starting with

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everyone seems to be really in touch with pop culture, which is I'd say like pretty.

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It's good. I think the metatexual stuff's good. Like the people I know and friends are

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really just like fun to talk about movies. Fun. Oh, here we are on a podcast talking about movies.

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So it's just like to see people being very media savvy in the movie and talking,

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talking about it in the way that almost Tarantino or something talks about

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movies and like kind of breaking it down and in broad strokes and everything is like

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kind of satisfying sometimes. And we'll talk about it. It gets a little, little much, but you know,

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this is. Yeah, this movie in particular, because yeah, I just watched all three of them

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leading up to this and because they're great. The third one is the worst, obviously. But I mean,

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it's still it's set in Hollywood. It's fun. It's, you know, it's a fun movie. I had not seen these

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movies really growing up. I think I because they've just never been a horror guy. I feel

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like a broken record because I've talked about that on, you know, that aspect about me, which

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has definitely changed now, especially after doing this podcast, because like we pushed like ourselves

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and myself in doing this podcast to do a bunch of different horror movies that really opened me up

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to loving the genre and being into the genre in a lot of ways. And I like the gore in this is really

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like it's very gruesome, but also like fun. Like, you know, it's exciting. It's interesting.

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Kind of like how they choose to kill people. But would you say that your issues sometimes with

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horror movies might be, and I know it's for me as well as like the, it can be very tropey, you know,

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and for like, there's a lot of tropes and there's a lot of stereotypes of like how, like, especially

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a slasher movie might go. And at this time leading like shortly after the 80s, when that was such a

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big thing to reinvigorate the like, and make a horror franchise, it almost have to deconstruct

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it and subvert it and kind of play with those tropes and the difference in a satirical sort of

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way, which I think would speak to somebody who's yeah, not as big into scary movies and more like

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is like an outsider looking in. I know we like them now, but I think I'm even thinking of a lot

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of these references for me were backwards because I saw scary movie first. Same, right? And I would

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like snippets of the first scream and everything, but being more familiar with like scary movie.

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And then yeah, just the the ending of the first one and the twist inherent in it and the ability

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to do that with satirical elements is never I don't know. It's really hard to beat that. But I

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wanted to ask Aaron, do you have like a history with this franchise? Is this like mean anything to

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you or like horror movies in general or like the yeah, I think I saw first scream the third the

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year it came on video because I obviously was too young to see it in the theaters. I saw it at a

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sleepover when I was I think in third grade. Wow. And I had yeah, I was watching a lot of those

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because I had a friend at the time who would we watched a lot of those like the horror slashers

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of the day and also like the more action oriented movies like Blade and stuff like stuff that was

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not age appropriate. But like we already don't care. Yeah, like an R rated R rated L. Yeah.

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Those are fucking awesome. That is a voice clip that could be taken badly out of context. An R

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rated elementary school friend. Brandon was the one who showed me saw for the first time for

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someone who was not into scary movies. He was an edge lord. So he showed me saw and like I

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was like never seen a scary movie before. I didn't see Scream 2 until years later. And at first I

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didn't like it. But after rewatching it for the podcast, I'm totally on board and I really see

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Scream 2 now as awesome. Yeah, right. It's an awesome movie on like a special fun and entertaining

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so like really it's awesomely 90s. Totally. The soundtrack is so good. Like so delicious. And then

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I see the movie though as being like a functional part two more so than a sequel, which is not exactly

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how it was written. But like he already had a pitch and like a treatment for the second movie

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when they when he was selling the first movie like two different ones. I think. Yeah. And it was

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still in theaters when they greenlit Scream 2. Correct. So in theaters when they greenlit Scream

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2 and that it feels like that feels like it was kind of always intended to happen right after.

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So it feels like more of a part two than like a sequel. But it plays with that idea of being a

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sequel in such a fun way to right. Oh my god. Which that is where the movie succeeds and also

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has its greatest feelings is that it it handles the trope. It handles the commentary and the pit

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falls in the tropes that it is making fun of as a sequel. But then it does fall a little bit prey

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to it itself. And then you're like, ooh, you're actually a little bit behind the eight ball here.

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If you're you were in front of it being like making fun of it and being on top of it and that was

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good. But now you're falling a little bit behind. That's where these kind of rides the line on this

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one a little bit. But I mean to Aaron's point is like it's just I agree. It's it's really fun,

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though. This was such an enjoyable watch where it was it's got a lot in it. It moves along cranks

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along. Oh yeah. It's cool. Yeah. And sometimes I just hadn't seen enough horror movies to get

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everything out of it. Right. Like what it's referencing. Oh, this is this is good.

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But yeah, I'm in the same same bow. And I think it is like it's good for you yourself to be

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somewhat media savvy in watching this movie as well because it's it's playing with those tropes

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and it's playing with lots of the stereotypes that are inherent in scary movies and slasher

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movies for that matter. Yeah, I I'm on the same page with you guys. And I think a lot of the meta

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stuff that sometimes I have a hard time with and I feel like I've warmed up a lot more since it's

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just so inherent in a lot of our our media these days since we're also media savvy and

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it's a it's a natural part of it. And even think, you know, we're talking about like

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Matrix resurrections or whatever or we Brandon and I rewatched I get to scream five technically.

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And that's where these movies kind of, you know, that at parts they fall flat when they try to

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have their cake and eat it to where it's kind of trying to have the satirical fun poking,

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you know, subversion at horror movies sort of stick. But then like you're saying, Brandon, it

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falls prey to the same things that those like laziness that they kind of in criticize for

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they just go into that same well. And I thought I thought it was interesting you brought up the

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the it got greenlit, you know, immediately already have like a little back like, oh, what's this on

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the back? Oh, it already two more treatments for another movies. Let's do it. Kevin, Kevin

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Williamson just included those. But people were so into it. And the internet was a new thing

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that when it was it, the script was written, it actually got leaked. And the ending was spoiled

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for some people so much so that they decided in the making of the movie to rejigger it and try to

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find different ways to throw people off the scent. They would write what Kevin Williamson described

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as dummy scripts where he would essentially what they did with Game of Thrones and like the last

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couple seasons of Game of Thrones, where they would have fake scripts and and not tell the cast until

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like the day or like the week of when they were shooting and everything, and to try to keep things

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so locked up. And the original ending from what I little my research was, there's going to be four

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killers. And it was going to be the two Timothy Timothy Oliphant. What's his face is mom. And

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then it was going to be her friend. And her boyfriend, Jerry O'Connell and her best friend,

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we're going to be like lovers that were like, together that we're trying to pretty much bank

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on being pop, like getting media coverage themselves the same almost like, like there's a

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lot of care. And there's a few characters in the movie that are really concerned with like being

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famous and popular. And you know, and that was like their motivation as well. And there's even

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like a fake one about Dewey being the killer. And which is what's scary movie essentially

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has a scary movie. Yeah. Yeah. What is it? What do they say? Duffy or something? Officer? No,

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doofy. Doofy. Officer doofy reporter for duty.

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I told you to stop taking your dick in the vacuum cleaner.

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Then they have that whole they do the scene too of him with the vacuum. Oh my God. And then he's

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like, yeah, what is that smell? I just made a duty in my pants. Because it's so it's making fun of

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David Arquette's performance, which I kind of again, like, you know, what it's so funny this

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being a situation where you've seen the parody before you've seen the original and watching

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the original now, you're like, I get why they made officer doofy because yeah, David Arquette just

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has this like kind of dumb guy energy to like a simpleton. Yeah. That's the best.

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And even like the best friend, I feel like now now, like watching this second one line,

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the best friend in this movie, whoever does it, I forget her name and in scary movie is just a

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really good impression of like the best friend and everything. I don't know. Yeah. Oh my God.

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Things kind of have are coming together from for me a little bit. What is her name? God,

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I just remember she's so funny. The scary movie actress is so funny. At least at least Neil,

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who plays Halle and in Scream 2. Oh, yes. The scary movie actress is so funny.

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How or Halle and got you. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Oh, no, but that's that girl thinking of

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the others. This one like the friend that's like making fun of her stereotype. You know what I mean?

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Like kind of there's, um, isn't there sorority girls? There's like porcelain. Yeah. Porcelain.

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Sorority girls. Dorasi is in here. Yeah. That's what I mean. That that stereotype too. Where I

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think the line is hers that I like I'm in love with this line when she goes to the party, you

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know, her friend Halle drags her to the party and she's at the party finally with the sorority

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girls, the Delta lambdas and what Jerry or Timothy bring martinis to them and a college party.

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It was I was flabbergasted. I was like, wait a minute. Who's drinking more tea?

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Who's drinking more at this party? And then people are like, Oh, I was making martinis.

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That's what took so long. I made it. I made a note of this one 28 38 20, 28 minutes, 38 seconds.

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The sorority girls walk up to Neve Campbell and they go, hi. No, I really mean that. Hi.

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And it's such a great line. It's like it's such a brilliant like communication that the Delta

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lambdas are like coming down to the nice, but like so dumb. Oh my God. Yeah. Hi. Because it's

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so I really mean that. Hi. I find there and it it was so fun to me the dynamic there because

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Neve Campbell is the more popular person. So it isn't really a situation of like Neve Campbell

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wanting to be popular through the popular girls. The popular girls want to be her friend because

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it's advantageous to them because she's like Neve Campbell seemingly is plaster on the news

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every day movie that wants notoriety, that wants to be attached to like these current events that

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are garnering all this attention and people want it for social capital. They want to make money

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off of it. They want to have a legacy as like, you know, in the case of the killer to like be this

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this lasting like serial killer story, like they all everybody wants a piece of it.

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Or to avenge it like, yeah, the mom wants to wants revenge and her interests lie in the same

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as Timothy Oliphant and then like, yeah, do that was perfectly put because everyone is using the

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events of the past movie in a different way and most of them are trying to use it to their

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advantage in some way. How convoluted as it might be, but in a psychopath's mind like Timothy

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Oliphant, Oliphant, it doesn't really have to make sense. It just has to in his mind, it has to

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and that's kind of yeah, banks on like the ideas of the first one and the killers and that one.

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And yeah, it has the multiple killer thing as well. But that commentary definitely definitely

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goes even further about yeah, just about why we make these movies in the first place and what kind

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of and like getting kicks off of like making a scary movie based on a true story because

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I definitely remember saying yeah, I mean, it's not it's still being done today too. But I just

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remember like going to movie theaters and yeah, early 2000s and 90s for that matter where it moved

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past past the slasher thing and it really had become based on a true story and it was the

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Amityville horror. I know there's a million movies and then there was a bit of original or

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something and everything. But recently with with Dahmer and with Bundy like their victims

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families are still alive and when Netflix cashed in on both of those with their respective

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biopics of of each of those killers, it's like there was the backlash of is this import taste is

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this? Yeah, the answer is yes. It's just 100% yes. Yeah.

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It's interesting. Sorry, but you're gonna prop you're gonna profit off the telling of this story.

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And I mean, yeah, just put it put yourself in their shoes for two fucking seconds and realize

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like if your family member got murdered by somebody, would you want everybody to go around being like

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isn't this you know, isn't this killer so you know, interesting and you know,

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you know, yeah, again, sensationalizing that person. Has anyone here watched Barry?

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I have not. Okay, I've heard it's good. I've seen a couple episodes and it was very good,

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but there's so much to watch. Yeah, there's so much out there. If you get the chance,

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it's three seasons. I think they're each 10 episodes each and the ending deals a lot with

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what we're talking about in a very interesting way about how we tell the stories that we want to

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hear even if they're not necessarily the truth. And that's a slippery, slippery slope when you

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say based on a true story, it could just a lot of those horror movies, I'm sure just like a

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headline and then they just took it and ran with it in whatever sort of direction.

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That's what Courtney Cox does to bring it back, right? Is like her whole her whole bit is, you

368
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know, making these making these books. She's always promoting a book, you know, about some

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murderer. And like the camera man was like, she said he got gutted or something. It was like,

370
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well, actually got stabbed in the back, but that sounded better. You got a throat slit.

371
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The throat slit, right? Yeah, it wasn't fully accurate and accurate and true. And even those

372
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finer details, she's she's fucking with them. How do we feel about Courtney in general in this movie?

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I guess knowing. Good. I like her. Yeah. I thought she was well handled. And I thought that

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the the that she acted the part well. I think she's just a lot, right? It's in her whole

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character is really such a huge pain in the ass. And so in kind of unscrupulous as well.

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90s and her character is not Monica from Friends, which just does speak to the fact that

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somebody who had such a prolific like really prominent figure in pop culture at the time.

378
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Yeah, you're one of the most well known TV show on the planet.

379
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Both movies. In screen one and two, I'm not like watching and calling like, well,

380
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this is just Monica from Friends. Distinct character.

381
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I would argue the opposite in a lot in more ways than one because yeah, Monica from Friends is

382
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just is so much more in her own head. Unsure of herself has all of the all of these things. And then,

383
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and, you know, Gail, what is it? Gail Weathers. Yeah, she's more like her Ace Ventura character.

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But yeah, I mean, God, she is like the, you know, I'm sure the the

385
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very, very confident person within Courtney, you know, the that character she's pulling out is

386
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like, what is the hyperconfident version of myself? Because man, she just like dresses down the

387
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cameraman every chance she gets, you know, there's a lot of time that she's just like,

388
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you're a fucking idiot. You're you're overweight. You need to you need to just pay attention. You

389
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need to get your shit together. Just to Debbie Salt, who later turns out to be Mrs. Loomis.

390
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She's the way she rocks her first hits the screen. Yeah, she's like, she's Debbie Salt is

391
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trying to like flatter her to like get a scoop from her right around on her. And it's like your

392
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flattery is predictable. Like you're not the reporter you think you are like get out of my face.

393
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And you're just like, oh, Jesus. Her kind of resonates in a way where the yeah, the movie has

394
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a little bit to, you know, a little bit to say about some of that stuff and a little bit to say,

395
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you know, and I think the yeah, they definitely use Gail Weathers for that purpose where she's

396
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by the end, you know, chastising the reporters for being like, you know, you're hurting people here

397
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when she and herself is probably the worst example of, you know, or the bed of worst

398
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:59,280
best ever example of being of trying perpetrating that. And then by the end, she's kind of changed

399
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:05,040
her tune a bit. So I guess that the movie, you know, does use her as the media in the same way

400
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that like a character that I don't know, I'm a little I'm a little unsure about just Dewey's

401
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involvement in this movie, but they do use him kind of like as the law, you know, even though

402
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that his the guy who who plays the sheriff or whatever is his father, another Arquette,

403
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,120
the bald dude is like is actually David Arquette's father, which I thought is pretty funny. But like

404
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bringing him in and then like even when they cut to him, he's just like all of a sudden at the

405
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:41,360
university and he's just like, how did I get here? Because he's really concerned. And I think that is

406
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that right there is what is successful about Dewey to me is that even though he really by

407
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:54,560
and large comes off as a doofus, he is has a heart of gold. And like he's there on campus because

408
00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:01,760
he has heard about the the murder that happened so similar and wanted to make sure Neve was okay.

409
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,240
So he goes to the college to make sure she's okay because he cares about his friends,

410
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especially people he's not the first movie with. So that's fine. I just wanted to be more in like

411
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,360
a rogue capacity if it's going to be that like at the end of that scene where he's like, he's like,

412
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I'm in touch with the local sheriff and we're going to figure this out. I'm like, what? Why would

413
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,040
they give a fuck about you coming into town to be like, I'm going to solve your case or be like,

414
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,360
get the fuck out of here and go home. I want I want him to be like, no, I'm like doing shit

415
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,360
behind the scenes that I shouldn't be doing to try to solve this mystery. But whatever. I just

416
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,760
think like they put them together. They got good chemistry. That's that's fine and good. But some

417
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:41,200
of their stuff was was like, not as interesting as the rest of the movie. You know, besides their

418
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:46,480
chemistry, they're good together, you know. Yeah, I don't know. As I think about it more, I just

419
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:54,720
also find it really like it's such an interesting choice, seemingly that David is making where

420
00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:01,680
there is this he allows for a character arc to happen of him growing in confidence, him overcoming,

421
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:08,240
you know, his like unsureness because there's also two like really, I don't know, the relationship

422
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:13,600
stuff with him and Gail is also, I think really works for me. That's oddly because it just

423
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:19,680
like he could come off as super cheesy, but for some reason it just like, you know what it is.

424
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,720
It's fine. It's just like chemistry. There doesn't. Yeah, the reason he's there just doesn't work as

425
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:29,360
well for me. But once they're in it, yeah, I guess it's it's okay. No, I get what you mean though,

426
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:39,920
because like I imagine too is that he is going to the local like police and acting so like

427
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:49,680
like sheepish or so like unsure that people would be like, what? No, get out of here. No,

428
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:55,200
he's immediately in all those meetings and he's like pulling all the shots a little bit sometimes

429
00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:01,360
he's like saying these lines are just like and and like when yeah, and he's in the police station

430
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:08,320
or like the hospital or whatever and he's just a part of everything already. But it's a fun cast

431
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,400
of characters. The cast of characters is great. The cast said, well, it's an it's an ensemble thing

432
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,840
for for the most part. And I yeah, I think everyone has their part to play in Jamie Kennedy as as well.

433
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:23,360
You know, how did we feel about elite and not leave? Well, I want to get to leave in a bit, but

434
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:31,440
first I had the performance by Jerry O'Connell during lunch or whatever. I was out of nowhere.

435
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:38,560
That came out of last field. I don't think I like that one bit. I'm trying. Here's a

436
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,200
I think that there's a reason that scenes in the movie because that yeah, it is kind of jarring

437
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,520
and like you're just like, what am I watching right now? This one from like this one from a horror

438
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:54,000
movie to like a teen comedy like and it's a referencing top gun. Top gun. Yeah. So he's

439
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,520
referencing top gun in that scene. And I think the point is that so much of this movie, the sequel

440
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:08,640
is about whether or not movies like imitate life or life imitates the movies. And so it's like

441
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:14,960
all these killers are like imitating the movies. So like in Mickey's case, it's to, you know,

442
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:21,040
spoiler for a movie that came out in 1997, Mickey's the killer. It's only one or two, though.

443
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,840
But he he's doing it because he like wants to get to the trial and he he's like wants to make this

444
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:33,280
whole point about like I did it because the movies made me do it. And that's like his goal

445
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:40,080
is to be that serial killer in history. And then Derek goes the other direction, like when he

446
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:45,440
wants to imitate movies, like he imitates a scene from top gun because he maybe doesn't know how to

447
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,760
express himself to Sidney. He knows that they're kind of having a wow. And he can't figure out like

448
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:55,680
I don't know how I don't I don't word so good. I'm just big and pretty and safe. And he goes with

449
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,360
let me just reenact this scene from top gun because like I don't know how to be romantic, but like I

450
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:06,080
can take a page out of this movie and do romance that way in the same way that people who do violence

451
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,920
will say well I don't really know what I'm doing here. So maybe I'll just imitate movies. But that

452
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,000
doesn't make me mean that the movies were at fault because like was that not a romantic thing of Derek

453
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,040
to do just because he like got it from a movie and like so that I think it's it's all part of that

454
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:24,800
same milieu of like did the movies make the killers kill? It's like well no, but you know people are

455
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,640
only so creative. So they're going to imitate art in their everyday lives in real life where the

456
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:36,800
movie takes place. Derek is imitating the movies and so is Mickey. And they definitely want to

457
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:42,800
mess around as much as possible. Yeah, very well said as possible with the boyfriend character.

458
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:49,520
I feel like they're constantly tugging back and forth with with him. And yeah, maybe to your

459
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,880
point too, it's you know if this guy is so inspired by movies, you know maybe he'll he'll do something

460
00:46:54,880 --> 00:47:00,320
other something else that'd be more heinous in the cause. Yeah, right. I think if he's going to

461
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,840
sing a song in the middle, maybe he's going to do something else too. But the way that it's a good

462
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,760
point that they played with his character, I thought you know I enjoyed it. But that that was

463
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,640
I don't know in the moment I was like what is going on? Am I watching? But he does things like

464
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:19,760
you know from top good. Yeah. And everybody liked it, which I don't know. I just wanted to give

465
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:25,200
me danger zone. Somebody did that in the logins. I was there. I think I would I would be like,

466
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,000
yeah, man, cool. Yeah, this is fun. You know, we're we're it had flash mob energy to me,

467
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,720
especially people clapping at the end. They're like, wow, I didn't expect that.

468
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,680
I'm sure we've all seen the video clips from like Tik Tok or whatever where like

469
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,280
somebody will film a kid like trying to like do the thing and like talk to the whole class and

470
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:49,200
everyone's like, shut up. Sit down. You think you're the main character, but we're not picking up on

471
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,360
this. It's just main character energy. Right. People try to do that kind of thing in real life

472
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:58,400
and it's it's just very cringe. And I feel like it was cringe in the movie, but I liked it.

473
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,800
That is such an interesting thing to think about because I know what you mean because

474
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,040
they also make fun of it too. Like in not another teen movie where there's this whole bit about

475
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:12,960
doing the slow clap and this guy doesn't know when the appropriate time to do to do the slow clap is

476
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:18,240
and yeah, there's you know, and and there's also a character, not another teen movie that is like

477
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:22,800
the place ducky essentially from what is it, 16 candles or whatever.

478
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,440
And and even do the whole 10 things I hate about you with the genies got a gun. So yeah,

479
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:37,120
yeah. Yeah. So just, you know, I can understand that somebody who is like really over dramatic

480
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:43,680
feeling like that's the best, you know, that's always the go to for self expression is to make

481
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,000
such a spectacle of how they feel about something. And that can be very cringe for sure.

482
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,640
But I don't know. There is something where I guess also to, you know, it's just weirdly because of

483
00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:00,880
you know, Jerry O'Connell being such a good looking guy, like he's not, you know, he's not,

484
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:06,320
he is the main character. So he's not putting on, you know, this fake main character energy.

485
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:12,640
He's doing that. But one thing I just quickly want to mention too is that maybe that I thought of

486
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because of Aaron, your description of the Jerry O'Connell expressing himself through

487
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:27,120
movies because that's, you know, like helping him do that is that also added to

488
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:34,960
for me throughout the movie. I wasn't sure if Jerry O'Connell was not the killer. So I like really

489
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:42,880
up until like in it's such a, you know, kudos to the movie because to the very end, I was like,

490
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,440
it's probably fucking Jerry O'Connell. It's probably that fucking son of a bitch. Yeah.

491
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:54,000
He's, you know, cause he's just, he is kind of like got this a little bit because maybe I'm sorry,

492
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,440
Jerry. And you know, James, you said the car worked with him and he's a great guy, but like

493
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,680
he does kind of have like something underneath that makes you're like, Oh, maybe he's like,

494
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,160
he's like Gary, a bad guy. Those are my favorite actors. I love that when there's a little,

495
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,720
oh, there's something a little off too. Like he's almost smiling too much. Like he's almost

496
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:17,680
too happy or whatever. And yeah, like I said earlier, I think with the first movie, the

497
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:24,400
boyfriend being the killer, they played it really well where it is. That's a hard thing to, to

498
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,720
make you keep guessing the whole time. But then also right when you, right when I did start to

499
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:37,680
suspect when he gets, when he runs in after the kick after Ghostface and then gets stabbed

500
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,520
behind the closed door, you don't see it happen. And then they go to check on him and he was been

501
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,520
stabbed and he's got the arm cut and you're already thinking you're like, I didn't see that happen.

502
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,640
Like he could have fucking done that himself. Like he could have, you know,

503
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:54,320
especially on the way and what do they do? They immediately sit them down and question them and

504
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,440
fucking do we, this is where do we's there too. He's like, yeah, I'm a question. He's like, what

505
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,840
is do we doing here? But they question him. And I love that. I was like, Oh, I was thinking the

506
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,600
same thing. What the fuck? One, yeah, why would do we be in the room while the police are

507
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:15,040
questioning you? Two, but even beyond that, the thing that like bothered me about that scene,

508
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,880
like actually bothered me was like, do we immediately as soon as he is suspicious,

509
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,680
he like, let's do it. No, like I am suspicious. We'll be watching you. I do not trust you. And

510
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:29,440
I'm like, that's the last thing you want to do. If you're trying to line up. You better be extra

511
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:34,160
careful with what you do because I'm always going to be watching. I was like two strikes, man. That's

512
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:41,760
yeah. Three and you're out at this old ball game. That scene was not, not the best for the

513
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,760
companies. I was like, this is just kind of bad writing. I see what you mean there. But I am.

514
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:51,920
Why would you just like, I'm glad that it exists like them, them like already picking up the,

515
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,040
the, the whiff of him being a suspect because you as the viewer also are feeling that and for them

516
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,280
to at least call it out. That didn't go by the wayside. It was like, Oh, they're already addressing.

517
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,880
I felt really satisfied. I'm like, Oh, they're addressing it cool. So everybody in the movies

518
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,200
kind of onto it as well. But then it makes you even overthink too. And like, well, if everyone's

519
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:14,000
on it with him, there's no way that he's actually the killer. So you're always in even, yeah,

520
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,080
to the point where you got dropped down and you saw all the cuts over on the stuff. I'm like,

521
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:25,200
I don't know. Maybe he put himself up there. Right. And you know what? I oddly was not thinking

522
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,840
all the font barely at all throughout it. And then it comes out of nowhere. And I'm like,

523
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,720
fuck, you're right. It's totally all that. That voice is like, fuck with this video camera.

524
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,720
But I don't know. Yeah, I could have laid the, laid the line a little bit more on that one. But

525
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:46,560
then also how do you do that without being so obvious? But I don't know. I'm overall satisfied.

526
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:54,320
I think the reveal in the final portion of it left a little bit to be desired, I think, but

527
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,600
that's, I don't know, maybe more of a personal radicalization of all of them was interesting.

528
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:05,120
Agreed. It was a lot. It was a lot of excursions. I like coming out like very, very quickly of like,

529
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,880
this is why all the fun did it. This is what I, you know, all of the, you know, just really like

530
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,920
bang, bang, bang, bang. Let me tell you about, you know, the last, you know, year or so and how

531
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:19,440
and longer than that, essentially, because my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong, but

532
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:31,200
the mother of the killer in one, that Loomis, so she's just, so she's just always been crazy.

533
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:36,480
And that's what drove her son to be crazy. And then she reminded what happened with

534
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:43,840
with Nev's mom and why Loomis killed her. Yeah, I can feel that. Gotcha. Yeah, I got that too.

535
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:54,560
So what happened is Nev's mom was like to put it lightly, she was a homewrecker. She definitely was

536
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:00,320
having a lot of affairs, having multiple affairs. So that's part of why like,

537
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:04,960
Nev like doesn't want to confront a lot of what's going on around her mom's death because

538
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:11,920
it's definitely dicey circumstances because her mom's kind of that fault. We know that

539
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:17,040
it. Yeah, and Billy even brings up in the first movie that like, you know, hey, my mom left,

540
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,680
you should just get over it. And she's like, my mom died, it was murdered. Your mom just

541
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:27,760
ran like left, like ran off. But what happened was, it was Nev's mom was having an affair with

542
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,240
Billy Loomis's dad, right? Okay, that's what I thought. That's what caused Billy Loomis's mom to

543
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:38,800
leave and run away. Gotcha. And that's why Billy wanted to kill and implicate Nev and Nev's dad

544
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:45,280
because he was like upset that his that his mom, that's why he killed Nev's mom. So

545
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,320
got you. It was Billy Loomis that killed Nev Campbell's mom before the events of the first

546
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:55,120
movie. And then he started the whole thing because he had been set on this path and they blamed

547
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,680
leave for that. Yes, because because to his point, I'm going to bear with with her at the time she

548
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,760
was murdered by Billy. She was no longer having an affair with Billy's dad. She was now having an

549
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:11,680
affair with Cotton Weary, played by Lee Schreiber. And so that's why that's how he got involved.

550
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:17,840
And then Lee Schreiber was convicted of her murder. Yeah, but he was like, no, no, all I did was

551
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:25,920
have an affair with her. I didn't kill her. You know, it's so funny. James is leave in the third one

552
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:35,680
ends up becoming a like kind of like a crossfire TV show host. And the name of his show

553
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:43,600
is called 100 percent cotton. 100 percent. What cotton cotton? Oh, wow. That does not roll off the tongue.

554
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:51,520
It's like it's like a no holds barred like it should be cotton on. And then they just pick the

555
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:58,000
topic of the day. Right. Sure. Cotton on this. I don't know. That's a good that's way better. Thanks.

556
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,120
There's something with his voice that I don't know what character from The Simpsons, but it

557
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,960
sounds like it was some like background character from The Simpsons or something. He just has a

558
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,000
very low voice and is very like an annunciates really well and almost seems like he would be good for

559
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:20,320
broadcast news. Right. Oh, for sure. And he but he's also got this kind of like.

560
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:29,680
How do you say it like neuroticism to him, too, which I haven't really seen in leave because

561
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:38,160
I'm more familiar with leave as like more older man leaves. Yeah. Yeah. And he's so just like a

562
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:44,480
stone pillar, you know, like so. It looks like he could be 52 on this. He could be 28. But he's

563
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:50,880
but you know what? Kudos to him. He's kind of just kept that look for such a long time.

564
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:58,080
Yeah. So I don't know this. I really I just call out I'm making that I really enjoyed is how

565
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:05,360
how much lighter leave seemed, you know, in this because I just never experienced that with him

566
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:10,560
before this. The performances really hinges on some of these performances, how the movie plays.

567
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:19,440
Your suspicion relies on how they perform these lines. And it is I think it is overall well,

568
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,040
well constructed script, even though it had to make a lot of changes in the end.

569
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:29,040
And that whole the idea of it is there and everything. But I think leave does just such a

570
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:35,600
good job of of conveying a sense of unease to the people around him and like kind of his

571
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:42,320
doll's eyes like a shark's eyes like dolls eyes. Yeah, he like doesn't blink and it's I don't know.

572
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:49,200
He just in the stature. He seems very like stiff, but his voice is smooth and charismatic.

573
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,880
But then it's something's kind of off. Oh, smooth. He's like he's like a coiled spring.

574
00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:00,400
Like when he's when he's Ray Donovan or saber tooth, he's like this language relaxed, like

575
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:05,200
in control calm guy who's just got this violence right beneath the surface that could just that

576
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:13,040
just a rough so hard and fast. Yeah, like he is. Yeah, because he cuts a tall figure to like he's

577
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,440
a pretty imposing guy. It's a good choice for cotton because you can like feel that like violence

578
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,640
beneath the surface on this guy. Yeah, not be the bad guy and you're like, Ah, OK.

579
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:29,360
And they brought him away and his motivation is interesting to where he is vain. Like he wants

580
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:34,880
like his 15 minutes of fame. It's weird. Such an interesting motivation for another character

581
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,960
who's the thing they want out of this is like he wants his due because he spent a year in prison

582
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,080
for for another crime he didn't commit. And he like is like so what I can get out of this is I can

583
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:50,240
and now I can actually make my money, get my fame, get my 15 minutes. Can you say the

584
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:56,560
weird story, but it'll make a hell of a movie someday. Is it weird? But I in my notes, I put

585
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:03,040
like a year in jail isn't it seems short for how much for what he did.

586
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:11,600
No, just but like how much animosity and like how much drive to change the narrative

587
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:18,400
of about how the public feels about him and the stand he's it's been one. OK, I just

588
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:23,120
there are some weird like there are some jail for a year I would I would probably beg to differ.

589
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:27,280
Guys, if I was in jail for a year, I'd be like, it was a long fucking time.

590
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,000
I have a month deployment on a carrier, which is a lot like being in jail.

591
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:39,680
Because it's the same. It's the same every day. You you just eat the food in the galley that they

592
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:46,640
serve you. You work out and you do whatever your your role is on the ship and you just repeat,

593
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:52,320
repeat, repeat. Trade cigarettes. It's very yeah, you're you trade cigarettes for for but sex. It's

594
00:59:52,320 --> 01:00:02,000
very much. It's also your your E.P. It kind of rhymes in the cigarettes for but sex.

595
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,360
No, that's that's not how it is in the Navy. I'm kidding. The but sex and the cigarettes are

596
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:18,320
separate economies. And inflation is one of them. You just you. You guess which one inflation is

597
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:27,040
affecting the artist. This movie. Great. We didn't talk about Jimmy Kennedy all before we start

598
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:31,600
getting into the end of this. Is there anything anything we want to say about that? My little

599
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:37,600
research of just like any anything people feel about this movie and articles online and everything.

600
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:43,200
It seems like there is a group of people that are sad that he that were really sad about him

601
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:48,720
him dying and wish that he like stuck around and he would have been an interesting addition in some

602
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:55,600
of these later movies. Even the one the five of them second to most recent one. There essentially

603
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:04,480
is a character that is him that is like very aware of of all the movies, the stab movies. And by that

604
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:10,720
time that movie comes out, there's like multiple stab movies and she like can regale all the all

605
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:17,120
the details about it. And there's a scene in both this one and that one that I think is kind of the

606
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:23,280
roughest part for for me in some ways where Jamie Kennedy is like sitting down with is it with

607
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:28,320
do we I forget and he's just kind of like laying out like and this is what happens in sequels and

608
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:35,760
this is what you got to rule one and see almost like go search him out essentially like as a liaison

609
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:44,320
like a expert in the like we're actually in a movie rules of a movie character.

610
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:50,160
So that's where this these kind of movies lose me are just those scenes like when those scenes

611
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,720
happen they got to sit down at the table and lay out like you're in a movie right now and this is

612
01:01:54,720 --> 01:02:01,840
what you got to do and they started laying out like oh like a like attributes and and

613
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:07,280
archetypes for everybody like oh well the geek should get the girl and that shit I was just like

614
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,800
like you just you're you're labeling yourself and then you're labeling like the archetypes like

615
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:18,960
and it's a clue movie or you know and I like the murder mystery aspect of these movies but

616
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:24,480
and the slasher and everything too but that stuff goes a little too close to home because it is that

617
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:30,000
habit it's cakey needed to where if that was done in a language that was more fun and campy or

618
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:36,560
or silly maybe but they treat it very seriously like the geek gets the girl and it's like people

619
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:41,920
are like intense music and it's like well I don't know it doesn't hit me as hard and it's like you

620
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:49,280
were shot like you you got shot with a bullet like in your arm in your chest in the last movie

621
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,520
this is not a laughing matter this is real shit I think this was not uh yeah we think you would not

622
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:59,040
treat this so flippantly yeah but I think him as an actor is fine and I do really I like to see

623
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:04,160
I like the sequel scene a lot where they're sitting in the classroom and you said that's Kevin

624
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:11,040
Williamson as the teacher is maybe I know I haven't been able to write um but I like the sequel

625
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,720
tuck because that's a conversation that you and I have had Brandon in the past you maybe even on

626
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:20,800
this podcast about like oh alien one or alien two oh terminator one or terminator two oh your big

627
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:26,320
James Cameron guy like I feel like we've we've had that same same discussion and and um those

628
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:33,440
movies were even more recent I love how it took them a while to get to empire strikes back being

629
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:39,360
a sequel that's better I was like that's the first one right like isn't that that's the go to

630
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:44,800
he's like oh it's a trilogy it's all one thing it doesn't count which I was like he made new hope

631
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,320
and he didn't know there's going to be more right he just thought it was going to be a single wing

632
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:55,440
I looked it up with the uh the teacher is actually uh Craig Shoemaker okay is the the film class teacher

633
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:00,000
Kevin Williamson is the person who's interviewing cotton weary in the first time he's getting

634
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:05,760
interviewed uh that's it Williamson interviewing him I knew he was in there and yeah that's yeah

635
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:12,720
yeah yeah I that's that's the kind of stuff that doesn't take me completely out of the movie that's

636
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:18,400
still a fun thing to to go back and forth on he's like yeah you walk suck and it's like yeah that's

637
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:23,280
that is something that everybody says about return on the side so so it's it's funny to see it just

638
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:30,560
just mimicked in that way um yeah and then I I don't know like the I just thought it was the

639
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:36,960
funniest thing that like the play that's because she's Neve Campbell wants to be an actor and the

640
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,520
play that they have her do is just the funniest thing like this we're gonna have her this person

641
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:48,800
who's like yeah they're her most carnal trauma that she's ever experienced that's been such so

642
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,720
popularized that there's a movie about it we're gonna put her in a play where she stands in the

643
01:04:52,720 --> 01:05:00,960
middle and people just like Agamemnon or whatever it was yeah yeah it's like yeah who's not this

644
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:06,000
is gonna and they'll look at her like what's wrong with you like when she has a fucking panic attack

645
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:12,240
but doesn't she have like a like a hard to heart with the director though and the director's like

646
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:17,040
you know what if you're not okay with this and that's okay and you cannot do this which is like

647
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:24,240
okay yeah you're right like this never why did you responsible me as a teacher to do yeah but Neve

648
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,360
what are you yeah I don't know why are you going for that that was the uh that was the uh

649
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,280
like maybe do a softball before you just jump into the deep end with a fucking

650
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:49,040
dramatic play yeah I was trying to place that guy I think it's the Billy Zanes like number two

651
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:55,200
and uh Titanic the guy that's like locks jack up and stuff and guards them and yeah oh yeah

652
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,680
yeah puts the yeah puts the cuffs on Leo and

653
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:08,080
yeah and then like that I don't know I guess if we just like I'm just thinking about like the

654
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,480
ending in this movie either something about would you guys think about like it ending on a stage

655
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:20,480
and her like having to chop like ropes of things to like drop stuff on Loma Luma's mom and stuff

656
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,080
like what I don't know there's something about that was just like this is kind of

657
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:29,680
schlocky and silly and like not the best way I know a lot of this movie is fun in that way but like

658
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:34,880
when he's like just picturing him in the background like shining a light like the spotlight on

659
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:40,640
very purposeful spots for her and then dropping walls so she can't get past certain things it's

660
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:46,640
just like kind of silly and then she has to knock things down and then those things were like

661
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:52,080
they put stone sound effects on those blocks we need to very much tell their phone their phone

662
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:58,080
they put these like stone hard sound effects when it landed on her did the theater text like

663
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:05,120
have to have to haul in a truckload of blocks to build this set I don't think the stage can

664
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:10,640
support that much weight no they also had to redesign the whole set to have a support beam

665
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:19,040
that could handle that yeah there's something about those little hokey but and it all just took

666
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:24,720
place on that one one spot but all the fun's performance was good I like the lume is lomas

667
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:30,480
whatever hurt his mom was kind of like a friday the 13th sort of uh poll I feel like having like

668
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:36,240
the the mom very protective of the of the sun for sure and trying to take vengeance is essentially

669
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:47,040
the first friday the 13th um or psycho or first and second right uh or psych yeah well spoilers for

670
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:57,120
psych oh shut up not actually his mom oh right yes it's but I mean probably uh baits motel right

671
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:04,400
right yeah it's like the the idea of the yeah the effect that a vengeful yeah oh yeah totally yeah

672
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:10,960
same thing um yeah I don't know a little bit a little bit and then I reading about the script

673
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,880
coming out and then having to make changes makes a lot of sense as to why that didn't

674
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:23,600
read the best but overall I thought for a sequel to do this to do the same thing as the first one

675
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:30,240
and do it better and or different in a way they applied the framework for scream one to the

676
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:38,800
sequel meta commentary in a way that was successful overall and and I enjoyed a lot of those parts

677
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:43,920
of it but then yeah like brandy you put really well earlier where you know they end up falling

678
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:50,400
into the foibles of some other slatter horror movies where it gets a little um stereotypical

679
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:56,320
at the end the face off I was looking at some of my notes if before we go into reviews uh that

680
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:06,400
nick cave song was red red right hand so good yeah it's on the angelo trying to start this movie

681
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:14,720
too it's an every movie that was cool oh yeah oh yeah love it the angelo um I also thought it was

682
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:19,200
really psycho shower shot they got the they got that psycho shower shot speaking of psycho or

683
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,840
heather and then that's like the classic where it's the nozzle and it's it's facing like up

684
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:31,680
towards the nozzle like that's the the psycho shot that is very very famous and that was cool I thought

685
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:39,200
which did this yeah these movies take a big page out of psychos book and that one I don't know just

686
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,040
watching it again recently it's crazy just jane atlee just gets fucking merked halfway through

687
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:49,600
that movie and they have to completely change re-re-fix the structure of the story to to different

688
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:55,280
characters like it's such a such an amazing movie um people watching movie with a mask that crowd

689
01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:02,640
was crazy I mean they that was dude I just made me so I don't know then it just made me so like

690
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:09,840
envious or jealous of the movie going experience in a particular like for a very long period of time

691
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:17,440
in human history because it just doesn't happen anymore um but to go to a midnight show like a

692
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:24,960
midnight or a late like a really like a friday friday night seven o'clock eight o'clock showing of a

693
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,040
you know of a movie that everybody has been anticipating because it's got all the hottest

694
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:33,760
stars and whatever yeah it just we kind of missed that we were all a little bit too young for that

695
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,280
I remember like the last one that I can recall was harry potter I was just thinking about harry

696
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:42,160
potter midnight showings were big deals oh yeah I was I was too young to have Lord of the Rings

697
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:48,800
at that scene like in the 90s of like big blockbuster releases having like events at theaters

698
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:54,640
yeah right where everybody's hooting and hollering my god that whole theater was just

699
01:10:54,640 --> 01:11:01,120
rapturous and everybody just fucking you know shooting the shit really loud getting ready just

700
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:06,800
and then when the movie's going everybody's like in it being like you know just like so

701
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:13,120
reactionary to it it's just really god man it's how can you not look at that be like god I want

702
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:18,880
to be in that theater that looks like so much fun yeah it definitely changes the experience even

703
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,160
a movie you've seen a million times before I'm even thinking like when I saw goldfinger and

704
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:28,320
in theaters like just like other playing some bond movies in a small bond movies in a theater

705
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:33,120
near me and I saw it and it was just yeah the reactions and the laughter maybe it's a little

706
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:38,240
different like nowadays are laughing not with certain things but at at certain other things

707
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:45,040
but then the effects of of the movie are still hit home and I actually just almo draft house

708
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:49,200
what's how would be the funny parts of that well I'm trying to think of some of the pussy

709
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:56,080
galore stuff you know like yeah she like yeah she kind of makes the turn to like bed him even

710
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,480
though he's just been kind of an a-hole the whole time just sort of a sculpture in the stable the

711
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:06,000
stable that was that was a different thing where you can you can sense how uncomfortable and people

712
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:11,200
almost like like if there any is any laugh it's uncomfortable kind of just like yeah what is

713
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:18,880
that was another different time but then there's yeah just a different reading of it and then you

714
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:24,320
gain a new appreciation appreciation for it beginning of that funny like the because that

715
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:31,280
is the car eject stuff with all the like that warehouse he goes to in the beginning of the

716
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:36,640
movie too right like does the bomb and yeah it's the cars got a bunch of different gadgets but he

717
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:41,600
also can shoot you shoot somebody out of the well the golf I mean there's a whole fucking half I

718
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:47,840
don't know 50 minutes of it's not a half it feels like in the book I read the book as well

719
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:53,760
there's a fucking there's a lot of golf I'm just thinking maybe thinking of that but I love the

720
01:12:53,760 --> 01:13:03,120
golf it's your honor it's your honor slash slash under seven or so I have a slosh in your shirt

721
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:08,080
I wore it to our the James bonding episode we went to so I have a fuck yeah it's like slosh slosh

722
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:15,440
under sir slash slash in your shirt but that reminded me I picked up tickets to Alamo draft

723
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:20,320
house is doing this thing called it's like a movie party I think they call it and they're playing the

724
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:26,960
mummy coming up here soon and I picked snacks and take it it specifically says like part of my

725
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:32,400
purchase of the ticket includes props that they're gonna give me and it's encouraged to like hoot

726
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:38,320
and holler and make noise and have fun and there's like special cocktails I'm like I love that movie

727
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:44,320
too I'm so excited it's gonna it's gonna be a lot of fun because I remember yeah as a as a wee boy

728
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:50,240
I saw that like on my birthday as like a nine-year-old I think I was and at Universal Studios uh and

729
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:56,640
I saw the props before I walked into the movie it's a is a magical movie that that whole the scarabs

730
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:05,680
are so scary yeah big time like shit now because of the CGI but man they were so scary yeah they

731
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:12,640
yeah there's some that's the iffy as part is when the scarabs yeah I'll eat that yeah but the idea

732
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:18,000
is still there anyways um yeah I've seen if there's any other uh the hieroglyphics in the bathroom was

733
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:23,040
interesting I don't know why but uh there's caller ID now the Freddy there's a Freddy

734
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:27,600
sweater and like the dorm in the background is like very much a Freddy Freddy Krueger sweater

735
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:34,080
I have a note here for me that there's a part Luke Wilson is in the stab movie I can't remember

736
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:41,840
who he's love that but man Billy Lomis he's my Billy Lomis okay he's given proto Timothy

737
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:49,120
Chalamet for me I just hit that performance was so just like kind of has this like surfer dude

738
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:57,760
California undertone to it but has this whole like oh man like really like trying to sell to the

739
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:03,440
you know to the rafters but like not only is it the most heightened but it's also the most like

740
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:14,080
sedated it's so crazy problematic soft boy really like going for a specific thing but

741
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:22,080
a muted thing yeah like so muted like on heroin level yeah it's just like yeah like just a

742
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:28,720
long load yeah that's when the movie like really works for me that I think that seems so funny

743
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:34,560
and the meta stuff just is hilarious then the whole idea of a stab movie in this I think just works

744
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:41,280
like that whole concept for them yeah and the the title itself I think there's so much stabbing

745
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:48,960
there's a Matthew Lillard cameo I think was yeah I made he's in like the background of the party

746
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:54,480
in the party in the party whoa I didn't know that oh my god this is so cool almost like out of focus

747
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:59,920
essentially just like really background yeah he's like he's a position in the first one he's so good

748
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:04,800
yeah such a good part of the movie it's watching that movie possibly his best role I think he's

749
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:09,440
thinking to myself I was like was there a point in time when Matthew Lillard would have been considered

750
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:16,160
hot yeah oh for sure absolutely in the 90s or like because he's like 100 percent total squeeze

751
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:23,040
and he's like really all over his his girlfriend and I'm just like and like it's like a stonery kind

752
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:30,240
of way not like in a sexy shaggy like an overly aggressive or like a midwest like a drunken

753
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:38,640
college frat boy you know quarterback guy he's like got this like a stoner california thing to him

754
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:44,240
where he wants to have sex but he's like and he is kind of aggressive about it but he's not like

755
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:53,840
she seems into it mean aggressive yeah yeah he definitely seems like a majority what he cares

756
01:16:53,840 --> 01:17:00,000
about is having sex yeah right I think he's aged extremely well too like seeing I agree later

757
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:04,400
roles as have a moment and like descendants and like even looks great using the most recent

758
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:10,320
twin peaks and I thought he was he was like the return or whatever and yeah yeah I think I think

759
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:15,840
he's even possibly more attractive now oh my god he's aged like a fine line

760
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:23,120
yeah he really has and I yeah I'm somebody that has had a hard time with him his best looks aren't

761
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:29,840
hackers if anybody wants to keep a keep a crazy Matthew Lillard we should all be different Matthew

762
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:36,560
Lillard's for Halloween that would be fun okay so what would we be okay I might do you're gonna

763
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:45,680
do shang it I do ghostface well that's not that's cheating wait a minute oh wait that's cheating

764
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:53,920
I'm gonna be this mask how does that count oh I got Matthew Lillard yeah you're gonna be that guy

765
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:58,800
who's ghostface but walking around being like no I'm Matthew Lillard none of you guys get it

766
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:03,040
all these other ghostfaces are just another one there's but they're the lomases I'm Lillard

767
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:08,800
and then it's just in like a like a romantic movie and then it's just you know

768
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:16,240
Aaron on the couch he's got the mask off and then this chick sits down there's a move that she's like

769
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:26,240
are you Matthew Lillard and he's like you were the first person who noticed I'm Nev most people

770
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:32,480
say ghostface but yes I am Matthew Lillard there's this move that uh that he starts doing in the

771
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:36,400
first movie and he keeps doing it through the subsequent movies and like something about it is

772
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:41,200
so chilling like he gets blood all over the knife from yes I know exactly what you're talking about

773
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:48,640
and then he takes the the the glove and wipes the blood off wait this is not even so so Aaron

774
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:53,600
just revealed that he has a actually so he is demonstrating on a knife I just have a giant knife

775
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:58,640
in my lap I got it off I got up a while back and I got it off my uh like shadow box in my room

776
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:04,080
and oh it's like a prince of persia knife it is it's kind of like yeah it was a it was a souvenir

777
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:09,360
gift from somebody who went to Jordan and it's got this like a豎s head uh horse head like

778
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:15,600
short curved knife souvenir gift from what's our cemetery dagger from Jordan oh cool wow and yeah

779
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:22,160
I'm asking you guys this thing where yeah from the country uh and he puts his hand and he wipes it off

780
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:28,800
like that yes oh I got it from a friend in the coast guard okay you know what we watch again we

781
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:33,760
watch that scream five movie like the review it's just talking about yeah and he does the same thing

782
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,320
yeah it's a great move it's really killing and he's getting blood on his blood on his gloves but

783
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,880
it's almost it's that that's the thing about ghost face is like he's hiding his identity but he's not

784
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:49,200
trying to like not leave evidence he's no yeah totally right like no one yeah and I love that

785
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:54,880
yeah there's like trademarks that are trademarks in the movie but then also like it's in a different

786
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:59,200
layer where people have seen the stab movies and they like have taken it from the stab movie rather

787
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:03,360
than the screen movie ours and there's just a bunch of stuff like that and then yeah like the

788
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:08,000
Nick Cave song is in like all of them too it's interesting when this is just an interesting

789
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:14,560
franchise essentially and like all the trademarks of it are fascinating awesome by and large like

790
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:22,160
really again I cannot stress enough that I happily consumed in a short period of time

791
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:27,120
all three screen movies and then just watch the screen five with James and yeah screen five is

792
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:36,320
awful but like that there is some there is some okay we that's another there's definitely awful

793
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:41,680
things about it for sure but you're right some of the violence in it I thought was really like

794
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:46,800
to your point that you're just talking about was pretty like on brand for the like if anything that

795
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:51,440
was even though there are stereotypical things for the franchise that happened in that movie the

796
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:56,720
actual successful stuff in screen five for me was some of the violence because it's not a great

797
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:03,360
but it's there's some yeah just like what we've talked about with my always leaning towards I'm

798
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:11,600
a alien guy not an aliens guy I'm you know a terminator guy not a terminator two guy is that

799
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:20,160
there is just there is so much of like this is a big spectacle like it has these like adventure

800
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:26,960
and action elements to it that really in my mind are contradictory to the heart of one makes the

801
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:31,600
franchise what made it good in the first one and the first movie is always the best one to set

802
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:42,160
that pace is like alien the first movie is very very very scary aliens not as scary but a lot more

803
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:47,760
killing and shooting and like you know that kind of shit and then the same creditor creditor like

804
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:53,280
there's way more on-screen violence in predator two and they the effects are way better and the

805
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:59,840
environment is way more it's a city so if you can see what's going on more whereas but the first

806
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:06,160
movie is a better movie it's a better movie right because you're like this is terrifying it is it

807
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:12,800
understands suspense it is they're always good those are also two are really great examples of

808
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:20,080
like scope and and levels of production and investment to return on artistic quality where

809
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:24,480
all of those are much much smaller movies especially the difference between in my mind

810
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:31,040
Terminator and Terminator 2 is like crazy where like Terminator the first Terminator is like

811
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:36,960
couple city streets at night in LA and that's all we're really rocking with and then it's like

812
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:42,800
Terminator 2 is like all over LA we got helicopters we got you know all of this

813
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:51,280
explosions and shit and it's like crazy but then you know bad boys too fits all those

814
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:57,680
descriptions you're talking about but probably is bad because the most maximum

815
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:02,160
most maximum you could ask for it and that's exactly what you want from is just like oh there's

816
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:09,120
more of everything great yes I even though bad boys one is a better movie bad boys two is a great

817
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:16,080
example which is I think indicative of Michael Bay and his whole career on that movie is

818
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:22,720
and I mean I'm talking about like James Cameron and the same shit but like I don't know there was

819
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:26,960
it yeah I bad boys two is a really great movie but I do think I like the first one more but

820
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:31,520
nonetheless it's okay I understand I guess is what I would get at from our discussion last time

821
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:39,680
about it is I understand why people like aliens and Terminator 2 like I'm not saying that those are

822
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:47,120
bad movies and right you know at all like far from it realistically but you know when you're

823
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:52,400
talking about something like this where this movie scream to false prey to it like

824
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:58,640
I would say not so much on the other movies that we're talking about but this one in particular

825
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:04,720
falls a little bit more prey than those two the trappings of the the second movie the bigger

826
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:12,720
budget movie the more you know kind of yeah the sequel you know it falls it falls into the sequel

827
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:20,080
stuff where yeah it's it is really silly at times you know what is something I didn't bring up that

828
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:26,480
I had in my notes is that again seeing this for the first time that whole bit in scary movie where

829
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:36,000
shorty gets a dick in his ear that like fucks where that is insane first and foremost like

830
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:43,520
all of that scene is insane that she just gets repeatedly stabbed in the middle of a sold out

831
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:50,080
theater he gets a knife through a stalled door into his head is so great that's kind of in scary

832
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:54,640
movie too as she's like yeah someone's just getting in like stabbed in front of everybody and

833
01:24:54,640 --> 01:25:02,320
they're just like wow she's a great actress so yeah I know I'm god now I'm starting to get into

834
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:07,760
my thoughts but so let's get into yeah one of my notes too is just like wow he's able to just

835
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:11,920
use a knife I mean you got a knife right there and you think you could stab straight through a

836
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:18,240
fucking wooden door like cheese or butter that was definitely when I saw that I was like this is

837
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:24,960
the first kill of the movie is he stabs through a stalled wall like it just seems odd but my uh

838
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:30,560
I speaking of having a knife like got a knife it's not that hard to stab someone who's pretty close

839
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:36,640
to you yeah oh for sure I did that at work because I told people about like the thought I had I was

840
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,960
like you know watching screen one and screen two comparing it to like later screen movies and other

841
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:47,280
more modern franchises it it feels it has this like loose like feeling of like a movie

842
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:53,040
that like some people like not like children but like college film students make a movie and then

843
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:59,120
the action doesn't feel really well I'm so glad you're not the same people you're doing it with

844
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:05,600
college students and there's that same feeling for a lot of the chase and fight scenes in screen one

845
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:11,920
and screen two it's very prominent in both movies where he's swinging wildly and not hitting anything

846
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:16,640
he's going to stab where you are and then he misses or hits the ground or hits the wall

847
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:22,800
and I was like at work I was like hey I'm just gonna like pop out and stab you a couple times

848
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:29,440
with this plastic spoon and like uh but you know you you try to try to open that's so fun you did

849
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:34,800
that I got it I got it in your mask I would pop out from behind a curtain or something I wouldn't

850
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:38,560
even go very far I would just be like I go what and I'd walk away and I just walk behind these

851
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:43,280
amazing stuff park at night and I walk behind a curtain and then I just wait two seconds and

852
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:48,560
I flip the curtain over and run up and stab my friend like I was like and I was like and he was

853
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:52,080
like yeah I had no idea you were you got behind the curtain instead of walking away I thought you

854
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:58,800
walked away and I'm like and yet yeah you didn't if you didn't dodge you didn't escape I'm it's pretty

855
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:04,720
easy to put a handheld object into somebody's center body mass it's just not that difficult

856
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:10,720
it's really hard for you to dodge or get out of the way if I just like and then you're just like

857
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:18,080
this is a kill this is good yeah I I like to I feel like his move is he grabs him like this it's

858
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:22,960
like the Drew Barrymore move uh-huh yeah I did that to a couple people where I would just like

859
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:28,800
come up and just get him and it's like but it's not hard he seemed but he's so bad at stabbing

860
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:35,200
it seems like he has to grab you hold you still and then it's for a podcast I promise and then

861
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:41,440
send it in and it's like you know stabbing is not that hard no it's a lot harder than it is right

862
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:45,920
I've read into I feel like I read into that too and I always like to I always like to look at into

863
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:50,880
like the body language of who's behind the mask and see if that means anything and I love the idea

864
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:55,120
that in a lot of these they are just fucking dumb kids that don't know what they're doing and they

865
01:27:55,120 --> 01:28:00,080
just like have this like psychotic ambition that they want to enact but they are by no means like

866
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:06,000
professional martial artists they're not so the fact that they are clumsy and then like Sarah

867
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:10,400
Michelle Giller is able to like throw a plant at one point while she's running away and he's just

868
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:17,920
like oh fuck you see him get hit and he's kind of like oh shit he's like trying to get get after

869
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:25,280
it and it's like yeah that's like messy it's like I love that too oh like the the the Michael Myers

870
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:30,560
the the Jason that's supposed to subvert the unstoppable killer trope that they are clumsy

871
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:35,280
they are bad at what they're doing right because they're normal amateurs they're not like they want

872
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:42,880
to have to be so yeah for sure yeah that was my last note is that like he's really really bad at

873
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:48,640
stabbing in both movies all four killers are bad at stabbing it's not a stab I don't know I don't

874
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:53,120
know that's that knife he's gotta it's gotta have a name now it should just call be called the ghost

875
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:57,440
face knife but he always says the same knife right all of these so I wonder what that knife is and

876
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:03,200
then the gun will come out later sometimes um I guess Tori Spelling was mentioned in the first one

877
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:08,080
as like as a joke of like who's gonna play her in a movie and so they actually brought her in for

878
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:14,400
stab to to play uh Sydney Prescott and I end in that scene too when Luke Wilson is is talking to

879
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:20,000
the very end before it cuts he does I don't know what the line was but he just like goes stupid and

880
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:27,920
he smacks himself in the head it's the funniest funniest line it's like a kind of a like a three

881
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:41,760
stooge is uh oh man I I have one of my notes is I love a dumb ADR line yes uh that's gonna be our

882
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:46,640
profession scene Brandon we gotta get on I love a dumb ADR line and one that I caught when they

883
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:54,320
were watching the movie in the beginning is there um I can't remember if it's Omar Epps or if it's

884
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:59,680
Jada Pinkett because both of them like I feel like weirdly in the middle of the movie like one goes to

885
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:04,240
the bathroom the other one goes to get popcorn or whatever and I so I can't remember which one but

886
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:11,200
like as one of them are coming out of the theater this theater is so just rapturous in this movie

887
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:17,280
there are grown ass people just having like kind of stab wars like and now it doesn't seem so weird

888
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:22,880
because Aaron just described how he at work set up a bunch of scenarios in which he could stab his

889
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:28,400
uh co-worker so you know maybe not as crazy as I thought it was but like I thought at the time like

890
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:34,880
man it would be like if you know either one of us went to a movie and then like kind of during the

891
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:38,560
middle of it when we're like oh I kind of have to pee do you have to pee oh yeah you gotta pee and

892
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:43,120
then we kind of like kind of prance out of the the theater and then just like get into character

893
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:49,280
about what's happening in that I just thought was insane but a dumb ADR line is somebody just

894
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:55,440
yeah they're obviously not on screen at all just goes haha gonna stab you man yeah I remember that

895
01:30:56,480 --> 01:31:02,480
and it's like the most broken I'm gonna get you first I'm gonna stab you man

896
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:08,960
man love a dumb ADR line and you like great and Omar like hides in the employee

897
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:16,640
thing and like opens the door right on I don't know that's silly the uh Courtney Cox says the line

898
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:21,040
like oh like she's smoking a cigarette someone's like oh I didn't know you smoke now or something

899
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:26,240
and it's like oh yeah I saw her get she got caught in the papers for smoking and then she says

900
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:32,400
that was my face put on Jennifer Aniston's body it is yeah I remember that I thought that was a

901
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:38,480
funny little friend friends thing that she probably I was like is that her idea to say that line

902
01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:44,720
and then um one silly one is that what people were saying about them is like god I wish I had a

903
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:49,120
Courtney Cox head on a Jennifer Aniston's body. There was a scandal around that time in between

904
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:55,440
the first and second movie Courtney Cox had supposed nudes leaked to the public but they were

905
01:31:55,440 --> 01:32:02,880
fake. Oh weird. It was her head on someone else's body. Oh at that time. Brandon's body was just

906
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:08,400
someone else's it was just a so she probably was just been cheeky towards her body. It kind of

907
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:14,800
makes me try to remember how people would even do that back then. It just yeah it would look very bad.

908
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:20,640
It would look awful. It would sniff like you see the tape and everything. Like the necks don't match.

909
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:26,640
Yeah. I don't think Photoshop existed back then. They just oh that's true. I guess it wasn't as

910
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:31,520
widely practiced as it is today but it was interesting. I mean yeah I guess at this time

911
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:36,480
I was no deep fakes yet. I looked up the knife though. The knife probably the iconic knife is a

912
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:43,760
buck 120 so the the only not much that's good. It makes that makes buck knives. Oh no it's not

913
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:51,920
buck knife. It's a brand name and they're they're called that knife models called the 120 and that's

914
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:57,200
the one that they use for Ghostface Killers Knife. All the props are modeled after that one and they

915
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,400
discontinued the the knife before the first screen movie came out because hunters complained that the

916
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:08,400
knife was excessively long. So now fans of the series can't buy a real buck 120 because you just

917
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:12,800
can't win with those hunters can you. You have to buy a one 19 a buck one 19 is the same knife

918
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:18,960
instead of being this long. It's like so fans of the series have to buy the one 19 because

919
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:23,920
unless you've got like thousands of dollars to drop on a rare buck 120 that is the discontinued

920
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:27,840
knife and most of the ones that are around have aluminum or wooden handles. They don't have that

921
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:32,800
black rubber handle that Ghostface uses. Sure. Those are really really hard to find. That was why

922
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:37,600
he was having a hard time stabbing people. We needed that one 19. Yeah. Got to get him that one

923
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:42,640
that's so funny that you bring it up in that way because I was just looking at something from a

924
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:48,480
problem in a movie that was really like I found to be incredibly expensive if I were to get that

925
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:54,880
particular model of it. And it was the lighter in the movie license to kill. It's a genuine

926
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:59,840
Felix lighter is how they describe it. And there's this weird moment in the movie where they turn

927
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:06,720
where James turns it on and it like blow torches out of it. Why would anybody want that as like

928
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:12,160
their lighter. And it was so bizarre. And it like let me get that way. And it's the villain. And then

929
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:17,120
then you just blow his face up. There's just there's so many things working for that lighter to

930
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:21,680
where I was like fuck if I could get this lighter I would buy it in a heartbeat. And then I realized

931
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:26,480
I'm like this if I wanted this would be like six to eight hundred bucks to get this lighter

932
01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:31,760
because it was this particular model of lighter. And it but it's just so crazy in the movie that

933
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:38,080
it's like engraved in a weird way. It's they have a line about it's a genuine. It's the Felix

934
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:43,280
lighter who Felix lighter is a character that's been in almost all the bonds. And then like then

935
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:48,320
they also pay attention to the fact that it like isn't even practical. It like shoots almost like

936
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:53,680
a fireball out of it. Like who would use that as a like a to light a cigar or a cigarette.

937
01:34:56,560 --> 01:35:02,480
Especially with the license to kill. So yeah it's getting into let me just say hitting into

938
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:07,200
prop movies. I get it. There are just some things you see on screen. You're like man wouldn't that

939
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:13,760
be cool to own. Oh yeah that's like a lot of I don't think of like Blade Runner 2049 and all

940
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:18,880
the little gadgets and cool looking. I just want to like press some of those knobs on like when I

941
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:23,120
see a cool panel or something in like sci-fi movies. I mean I don't know if I want to own it but I

942
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:28,160
just want to press all those buttons. Oh God can you imagine the the tactility of some of those

943
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:32,800
buttons that were just like you push that lever and feel it when you kind of push it back a little

944
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:38,160
bit. Does it and is it a press and then springs fully back or does it pop into a into a half

945
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:43,200
into a half chode. Do you have to like open a little like cover to press the button. That's

946
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:47,840
not just like open it and then you like flip a switch and then you can press the button.

947
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:58,000
There's a moment where Courtney Cox calls David Arquette a bonehead and what does he call her

948
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:09,200
back. A phone head because she's on her phone all the time. Wow. I can't believe they put that in

949
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:13,920
and he was just and he said it in the most dewy way. Well you're a phone head and he looked

950
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:20,640
ashamed that he had to say that line. Which was a Jamie Kenny this is like showgirls was like his

951
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:28,080
like his favorite scary movie on the phone call. That was you know they're having fun there because

952
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:33,120
he's the movie buff and then those beatbox boys. Oh yeah they like come by and like make noise while

953
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:40,160
he's getting killed. The beatbox and it's like oh perfect timing now it's too loud to hear him die.

954
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:46,720
That's right. He gets because who gets like sucked into the van by go Jamie. Yeah Jamie

955
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:53,600
Kenny and then the yeah right. Courtney Cox says because that shows that like our returning

956
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:58,160
characters are final four from the previous movie that came back like they're not untouchable and

957
01:36:58,160 --> 01:37:03,040
then we're led to believe that Gail and Dewey dies throughout the course of the movie but they

958
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:10,640
yeah Dewey. I like that. I like that. I like that they kill people off. They could use do that

959
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:14,960
learn a little thing from Fast and the Furious and start actually you know you know you know

960
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:20,880
you gotta let me actually leave them dead a little bit. Let me just say though in the third movie

961
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:27,280
Jamie Kennedy does come back in the way that of that's why I was so stoked about her sister in

962
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:34,640
the fifth movie that James we watched last night is that in the third one her Jamie Kennedy sister

963
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:44,080
in the movie brings a video tape of Jamie Kennedy being like if I die then yeah then you're in a

964
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:51,360
treequel and it's this really cringy moment where he from the grave like records this whole bit

965
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:58,560
about like okay so if you're watching this I died okay that means you're in a three here's the rules

966
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:04,640
of a threequel and then he goes through it on video from the grave. That's those are the scenes I

967
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:11,760
think that I have a hard time yeah getting passed and yeah really just like okay well let's do let's

968
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:18,160
break it down I'm like no please don't. Courtney Cox pronounced the template template I don't know

969
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:24,800
just had to mention it. The part where the footage goes live where it's like fucking space balls

970
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:31,680
doesn't make any sense right where they're watching the footage they realize the footage is like

971
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:37,120
the the killer's footage you know like David Arquette and Courtney Cox are watching it and

972
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:40,720
they're slowly coming to realize that it's like oh it's the footage of watching Jamie Kennedy

973
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:44,560
while he was on the phone and it's like the footage of watching people before they die

974
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:49,760
and then they see footage of them live I didn't understand how that happened because it was a

975
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:54,080
tape it wasn't a fucking live feed and then they go up there and then the cameras are out there I

976
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:58,880
guess it just like switched to a live feed for just one second but it made it seem like it was the

977
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:03,920
tape. In mid roll he just like he switches it over to like the other to the live feed and you're

978
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:08,560
like you know how they could back that in 2000s. Dude no it was a space balls moment it was so

979
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:16,480
fun I just wanted to Rick Moranis just like look at the camera at the same time. Yeah a lot of

980
01:39:16,480 --> 01:39:22,240
rotating around pillars in that final scene where it was just like oh oh rotate this way oh oh

981
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:26,880
oh I got the gun over here oh now I got the knife oh oh oh and they're all just going constantly

982
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:32,320
around the pillars. I mean that's really interesting for you to point out after just watching

983
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:40,240
Advoids 2 where there's a lot of rotating as well. A lot of rotating? A lot of rotating do you

984
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:45,760
remember the rotating in that movie? Which part? Where where they rotate the camera around the wall.

985
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:51,280
Oh yes yes yes yes that was a lot of camera rotation but just like the blocking of the

986
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:57,360
of that part was them just like moving to one side of the pillar to the other and then just

987
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:01,440
being like oh oh now I'm on this I'm on this side and then they were trying to then Sydney's gonna

988
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:04,800
like gonna try to get away and then just move to the other side of the pillar and they're like

989
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:09,760
no now I got the gun over here oh no and then just for like the next 20 minutes it was just that

990
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:18,320
it'll make a hell of a movie yes my motive it isn't as 90s that was one of the lines

991
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:26,000
for what was it was it Timothy Oliphant maybe he was like oh yeah I'm the modern killer because

992
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:33,520
yeah I'm in his whole reasoning was uh was uh I thought pretty interesting and again yeah like

993
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:37,600
that usually is one of the more interesting sides of the the movie that I almost wish they would

994
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:41,680
drive home a bit more in this one and even this in like screen five when I think of that.

995
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,880
Let's move on to some reviews I feel like we're going going a bit yeah we're going long

996
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:51,200
can I take a take a quick break yeah let's take a bathroom break and then we'll do some reviews

997
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:59,280
and give some final scores and we'll be out of here be right back. Welcome back everybody we're

998
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:05,920
moving on to some critic reviews positive section of the reviews for the critics

999
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:14,800
they found this movie favorable at a certified fresh 82 um let's check out some snippets first from

1000
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:22,160
Lisa Schwartzbaum a 91 from entertainment weekly this funny gory stabathon is as sophisticated

1001
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:26,720
about the mechanics of part two's as the original was savvy about horror flicks

1002
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:35,280
from Variety David Rooney gave an 80 visceral witty and appropriately redundant the sequel

1003
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:40,240
has a winning commercial recipe that's certain to cook up excellent returns in all areas

1004
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:53,120
so let's do real views with James Brardinelli 75 paradoxically there is a lot less gore there is

1005
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:58,560
blood of course but nothing excessive by slasher movie standards and there are no depictions of

1006
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:04,240
spilled entrails Craven has remembered that scares are more important than graphic displays of human

1007
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:13,200
insides and bodily fluids yeah absolutely oh my god i mean west craven did last house on the left

1008
01:42:13,200 --> 01:42:21,760
right the original and the remake did he did the yeah he did the original right i think so yeah yeah

1009
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:28,320
i'm pretty sure you're a movie yeah i mean i know we didn't really talk about him as a director and

1010
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:32,800
we don't need to be labor the point about how west craven is important to horror movies and the fact

1011
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:39,200
that he is responsible for one of the most successful horror franchises uh you know just really yeah

1012
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:45,120
solidifies him as just understanding the genre really really well and what matters in these movies

1013
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:53,040
and yeah this yeah absolutely yeah i was doing you know what i'm gonna stop it right there i was

1014
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:58,160
in the nightmare on freddy's uh run watching some of those sequels yeah not not all great but there's

1015
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:05,120
some good stuff and and all of them i think and the formula is uh is inherent as as much as is a

1016
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:12,400
horror franchise a lot of them tend to just map that for formula onto each one um but these are

1017
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:19,840
interesting in that they play with the the whole idea formula um i'll do one more critic review from

1018
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:27,600
uh sf examiner 63 walter adesia adesio it's not as good as the original which was fresher fun

1019
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:32,640
funnier and scarier but if it were then by the criteria of the film's resident movie scholar

1020
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:39,200
it wouldn't be a genuine sequel so by its own uh admission it yeah it fills its own

1021
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:45,600
prerogative i guess is what he's saying um we'll do a couple negative audience

1022
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:49,920
has had a mission and had completed its mission and it's satan it in its

1023
01:43:49,920 --> 01:44:04,480
it's set a thing it was gonna do and did it from motion paintings gives it a two i think

1024
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:11,840
that sequels are never particularly good especially not in horror this film confirms my attitude again

1025
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:19,920
yeah from i'm the noob gives it a three scream two recycles a bit too much from the original

1026
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:25,760
while lacking what the original so good the story is atrocious and the multiple rewrites

1027
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:31,360
that went on during production did nothing but hurt the movie overall the plot made zero sense

1028
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:36,480
the twist involving the killers felt totally out of left field it was bad and it goes to show that

1029
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:44,640
sometimes you just can't capture the lightning in a bottle a second time around yeah do a couple

1030
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:52,080
more i feel like yeah this is this is who i am on other movies it's like still looking in a mirror

1031
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:59,520
right now but being the one that's the steering back at that reflection and you're like ah but

1032
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:05,840
there's so much good in this movie yeah and this one they didn't this one didn't have like a much

1033
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:11,920
larger budget and a much bigger cast necessarily this one was just like i really feel like they

1034
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:18,080
function as part one and part two having come out a year apart all of it and and so to point it to

1035
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:24,160
paint it as a like an actual sequel is i think it's not quite the correct brush to to hit this movie with

1036
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:34,320
yeah well said um i'll do another one from eric l gibson uh gives it a one star title just boring

1037
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:41,280
and predictable uh in quotes he does he's doing a little and a few words he's doing he's doing it

1038
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:47,920
yep done uh he's he's about to do a little uh role playing as the writers of scream here

1039
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:54,640
so here we go guys i know how we'll appear to a younger audience we'll make the dialogue so

1040
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:59,680
utterly drowned in sarcasm and metalogs that'll feel like watching a writer's room brain storm

1041
01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:04,240
session versus an actual movie they won't even notice the same recycled plot devices getting

1042
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:09,520
marched on screen practically frame by frame uh the nerd you know what all the sensitive boyfriend

1043
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:16,960
that you know is probably the killer etc oh wait what is this this is a this is a scream 2022 review

1044
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:22,960
that i'm reading here i'm so sorry guys because right at the end here it's just yeah okay i'm

1045
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:29,760
sorry they got but they put it in the scream two section these stinkers okay i'm gonna i'm gonna cut

1046
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:36,480
myself off there um i'll go to pets and care one star out of out of five title don't waste your money

1047
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:41,600
scream two through four were terrible i can get through them don't waste your money

1048
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:47,440
from eva grimaldi one star out of five there's no placing you

1049
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:54,320
then there's no placing you why did you watch the first one and then watch the second one and

1050
01:46:54,320 --> 01:47:03,360
ate both of them it's not for me not for me that's my thing i that's what i do i'm i'm a masochist

1051
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:12,240
um eva grimaldi one star out of five titled why why did mask make person evil sad cry face yes

1052
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:19,120
and it's such an enlightened perspective people saying it's dumb and predictable

1053
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:27,680
uh someone saying i want to cancel this movie uh from s manfield says one star out of five more

1054
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:36,800
the same but more stupid and the acting seems worse yeah uh someone says it it we consider this as

1055
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:44,880
a comedy time movie acting stupid yeah this one says uh movie stupid it we consider this as a comedy

1056
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:51,760
time movie we can watch it once kind of dragging and too many cast too many cast too many cast that's

1057
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:57,200
always the problem man don't go see oppenheimer then is all i gotta say you want it lean and mean

1058
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:07,440
yes uh i'm gonna do you always say that yeah it is that's true and if you're gonna use a knife

1059
01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:16,000
you should wipe it down after it give it the old hand wipe and no if you touch is gonna get blood

1060
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:20,240
on it but that's fine don't worry about that you're not trying to get away with murder or anything

1061
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:27,040
you gotta do the uh mimoa from fast ten and just and just lick it off yeah just lick it off yeah

1062
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:32,960
could you imagine and they like fold the mask mouth up a bit yeah um we'll do one more here we

1063
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:37,200
should get this we should get the ghostface mask i would be in james we're texting about it wouldn't

1064
01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:43,840
that be fun erin to have i i was seeing on ebay they got the stoned one they also have the wassup

1065
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:48,320
one that would be really fun yeah for halloween i got the tongue is that the wassup one i did i was

1066
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:54,160
the wassup i did that one too one halloween it was fun fun good reaction people got a good reaction

1067
01:48:54,160 --> 01:49:03,120
now they're like oh yeah it's it's it's it's good i think ghostface is iconic he's i don't yeah i think

1068
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:11,440
the whole series does well to build up who ghostface can be and he does enough scary stuff that he's

1069
01:49:11,440 --> 01:49:20,080
just yeah i don't he's a great uh he's in the pantheon of slasher men and men and women i don't

1070
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:25,120
the slasher people but he's just he's a dude in a mask and again he's like clumsy and fucks and

1071
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:30,000
he's multiple or multiple people and i just love that idea yeah it's not like a fucking and he's

1072
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:34,960
opportunistic like he'll kill people with a garage door or with uh you know whatever whatever's at hand

1073
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:42,240
to that garage door fuck man that was oh yeah is that rose mcgallon's death in the first one

1074
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:48,080
is that rose mcgallon that rose mcgallon in the first one she isn't the first one but is that her

1075
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:54,320
death in that one maybe then it's the friend yeah it's matthew lila's girlfriend it is rose mcgallon

1076
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:59,840
win i didn't realize that because we were we were talking about it her earlier in this discussion

1077
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:08,720
she's the she plays one of the best like straight like versions of the like bitchy best friend

1078
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:16,560
she is so wow man she she's so good in that she creates the archetype in my mind when i saw the

1079
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:23,200
first one and and then i was like wow she is so snarky and shitty in all of these little

1080
01:50:23,200 --> 01:50:29,280
passive aggressive ways in such a way that is so real oh oh yeah i'm gonna do one more audience

1081
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:35,600
review and we'll we'll give our final thoughts from inspector gadget gives a one star um titled

1082
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:40,960
mind numbingly awful sequel craven used to be known to make real horror movies sometimes they

1083
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:46,320
were experimentation horror films but now he has fallen for hollywood's love of cheap scares and

1084
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:51,840
loud loud loud soundtracks this film only has one musical cue and that isn't criminal that isn't

1085
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:57,600
criminally loud noise but it's music stolen from han zimmer's broken aero soundtrack a soundtrack

1086
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:04,240
i love this kind of made me annoyed at first and only time i saw this well over two years ago

1087
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:07,920
the photography in this film is the worst i've ever seen almost everything that isn't the

1088
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:12,480
immediate foreground is blurred and out of focus horror films offer so many opportunities for

1089
01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:17,440
creativity in all areas of film production but as this film is made to appeal to mass audiences

1090
01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:23,280
the style has to be simple even terrible there is nothing worthwhile about this film and nothing

1091
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:28,080
to recommend the part that i hate the most seems to be what most people for some reason like the

1092
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:33,920
best a class full of film students discusses if sequels are better than originals that's it

1093
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:41,760
you see this is a sequel and they talk about sequels wow so what that's the irony and it's

1094
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:47,760
not worth a penny i've never seen a more simple minded and superficial so-called horror film as

1095
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:53,760
bad as this the fact that it thinks it's so cool just makes it worse the true horror of this film

1096
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:58,880
is the horrifying ignorance to the audience watch urban legend instead if you want to

1097
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:05,600
watch a campus who's the killer flick it's junk but it's better better than this the dvd is in

1098
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:12,000
w 5.1 newsletter box at two three five one there's a couple things i want is this jimmy kenned

1099
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:18,240
is this jimmy k campers who done it is that what you said campus who's done campus who is the

1100
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:25,120
oh i love that campus who's the killer flick yeah campus who's the killer flick that is

1101
01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:36,800
is that like a trick yes that's a good one what's some other campus who the rules of attraction

1102
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:45,840
i don't know it's been a while while since i've seen no no phantom of the mega plex thoughts

1103
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:57,600
at a yeah sleep away camp yes sleep away camp just mentioned in that on this podcast will just give

1104
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:07,280
you a just yeah a strong positive reaction it's a like if you want to just get us yeah just mentions

1105
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:14,960
the boy camp in any capacity and that movie is uh yeah each and live bill here i oh we don't have

1106
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:21,040
it on polarized but i have a you got the sound cue yeah not here um yeah if you i mean if you

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01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:26,160
are curious about that sound cue this uh the music he's talking about there is a mixture of

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01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:32,480
it's mostly the i forget the main guy who does the music but it's mostly his music and then they

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01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:38,160
brought in danie elfman to do one other piece and then they also use hawn zimmer's will recycle music

1110
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from the fucking movie broken arrow with john trevold uh and if you guys seen that movie i have

1111
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:54,160
not seen that that movie uh but if you know dewey's theme like the guitar like do do do like his i

1112
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:59,920
i can play it a little bit and share and share my screen if you do want to uh check it out theme

1113
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:08,320
uh yeah i definitely wish presence oops let me get it get it going here uh but it's i don't i'm

1114
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:13,840
not wonderful get like an energy of this is a simple ten just to share music sounds

1115
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:22,160
it i that's how i get it and then it's funny just to see like it's the kind of introduction to

1116
01:54:22,720 --> 01:54:29,040
john trevold says character in broken arrow and it's supposed to be played like a lot more like

1117
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:36,080
badass uh or he's just like a cool like nonchalant hero they're like oh wow how was he so cool in this

1118
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:43,600
crazy action situation um look at her looking at him she loves him yeah dude that's something that

1119
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:48,800
she's so attractive she can't be mimics and she's got i didn't look it up were they married already

1120
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at this point i don't know but the i'm not sure oh i love this they're together so good i love it oh

1121
01:54:59,840 --> 01:55:04,880
this music has like this is the music that i thought of is like the the discount twin peaks theme

1122
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:12,080
oh it is very twin peak see angel about elementy it is very angelo battlementy or julie cruise

1123
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media right yeah um okay so that's that i know you guys can't hear working with the lamp

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01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:24,160
it's uh audio but we're gonna check out this uh broken arrow scene as well

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any sign of deacons

1126
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maybe the son of a bitch is dead that guy's terrible thing to say he plays the villain in

1127
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:42,400
basement turn you see the warden in uh shasha you but yeah i think he is

1128
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:51,760
get him you were sure everything would go smoothly everything is going smoothly i assure you

1129
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our merchandise is not where it's supposed to be it's right down there mr pritchard

1130
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everything's on schedule nailed it uh yep so i saw some and i yeah hon zimmer is uh

1131
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:13,760
doing so much at the time that he can just put one song in in two movies pretty pretty cool

1132
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:19,840
let's move on to final thoughts erin do you want to kick us off or what would you prefer

1133
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for second last i think we covered pretty much everything on this one i think final thoughts is

1134
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:33,520
it's a sequel that works and yeah and a score as well it work it feels like a like a part

1135
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:41,840
one a part two to screams part part one and i think wild meta commentary is something that we

1136
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:46,480
kind of sniff at these days and and see as played out i don't think that was so much the case back

1137
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:52,640
when the movie came out and it was uh it had some interesting stuff to say it got some uh it brings

1138
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:59,760
up technology it brings up kind of pursuit of fame or exploitation of you know intense situations

1139
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:03,440
so there's there's a lot going on here and i definitely think that the pair of movies together

1140
01:57:03,440 --> 01:57:08,880
are worth the watch and anyone who hasn't seen them both uh should have watched them so that we

1141
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:13,200
didn't spoil them for you but you should still go back and watch them because they're they're worth

1142
01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:17,040
your time uh and they're definitely products of their time it's like going back and watching

1143
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:20,480
the simpsons being like well family guy did it better it's like yeah but the family guy only

1144
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:24,960
did it because they got the idea from the thing that came before like it's it's kind of affected

1145
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:31,760
every horror movie that came after i think that's about it yeah um if you were to score it from zero

1146
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:40,880
to 100 what would you give it uh that is a tough one because i'm i'm inclined to just like go high

1147
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:45,360
and just say yeah give it give it a nice do you want the scores again for what this movie is

1148
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:54,800
if that helps at all let me take a look at it it's 82 it's 82 critic 58 audience right i think i'm

1149
01:57:54,800 --> 01:58:01,520
i was gonna side with the critics and i was gonna say like an 84 cool i think i'd give it a nice

1150
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:05,600
a nice uh like solid score where i'm like this is not the best film i've ever seen but like it's

1151
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:13,120
definitely worth your time yeah absolutely go for it brand new no no james denny james ask go for it

1152
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:18,400
okay uh i i love having you on the podcast saryn just got to say because yeah you're just very

1153
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:24,160
eloquent with your words and and appreciate your your commentary and and uh you bring up points in

1154
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:29,920
the very succinct way of that uh kind of re furthers the discussion a lot so yeah thanks so

1155
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:37,680
much for for joining the podcast absolutely man really truly yeah big time you're yeah great great

1156
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:45,040
conversational list if uh uh and i am have a podcast and i don't don't even know how to talk

1157
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:53,520
sometimes um this movie surprised me with how uh much i yeah i enjoyed the meta qualities of of

1158
01:58:53,520 --> 01:59:02,400
the movie that was very much um lining out the uh ideas of and and thoughts of making a movie

1159
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:09,520
um within the movie that i'm seeing and that is very difficult to make entertaining and not grind

1160
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:16,480
my gears and they did it in a way where that only happened maybe once or twice so that's why it's

1161
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:20,560
not going to get like a perfect score without being like the jamey kennedy scene where he kind of

1162
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:26,800
lays out the rules of all that stuff but everything else i thought was very smart and biting uh satire

1163
01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:32,880
and commentary on uh pop culture and horror movies and how and our reaction towards them

1164
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:38,960
um even if it is heavy handed that's kind of part of the fun of it you know even if the the crowd

1165
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:45,040
going crazy at the beginning is seems a little too much i think that's part of the fun of it and it's

1166
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:50,720
and it's kind of being a little melodramatic in ways that are fun sometimes like i said it has

1167
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:57,520
cake and eats it eats it too uh where it takes itself a little too seriously but mostly it's

1168
01:59:57,520 --> 02:00:04,000
entertaining fun horror movie that happens to have this whole all these layers to it that are uh

1169
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:10,320
yeah discussing our reaction to pop culture and and uh horrifying things that we hear about in

1170
02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:17,440
the news and how we use it to make entertainment out of it and make money and how even the people

1171
02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:22,080
that are close to nev cambell all their different reactions to something traumatic that she's

1172
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:28,880
experienced and is a survivor of i think all to have an ensemble cast and have each one

1173
02:00:29,600 --> 02:00:34,800
have a motivation that within the framework of this movie in the world that it's set in

1174
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:40,640
and it makes sense in his and his and his fun uh to see them pursue these things and have

1175
02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:47,600
a little bit of nuance uh kind of like i think of how complicated the leaf shrivers character is

1176
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:52,880
even someone who is not fully fleshed out at the beginning gets his due at the end i think

1177
02:00:52,880 --> 02:01:00,800
timothy aliphon in his little speech i think wraps up the villains motivations in a satisfying

1178
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:07,840
enough way even if the final acts in on the stage wasn't my favorite i liked him as a villain i

1179
02:01:07,840 --> 02:01:16,320
liked his motivations a lot as well um coupled with lumis's uh mother um the the first one is

1180
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:23,360
definitely better and it hits all the notes in a more clean way but this one to be able to address

1181
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:29,120
the difficulties of making a sequel while still being a sequel deserves its its paid due as like

1182
02:01:29,120 --> 02:01:39,200
being its own thing and and and being good at that um yeah i'm i'm feeling like uh 70s 80s um

1183
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:48,320
i'll do an 81 i'll do an 81 um i'm i'm i'm feeling like this franchise is fun and as far as horror

1184
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:53,680
movie franchises go these first in yeah i think these first two i haven't seen the third one

1185
02:01:53,680 --> 02:02:03,360
um or the fourth i've seen the fifth but uh this is an awesome fun cast of characters to to get into

1186
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:10,640
some some mystery and who done it niss with and i uh yeah it kept me guessing and uh kept me entertained

1187
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:21,120
yeah nice nice this is so incredibly exciting because i feel so similarly about this movie

1188
02:02:21,120 --> 02:02:27,200
as you two do hell yeah and it has just been so wonderful to talk about a movie that

1189
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:34,800
does things that are really prominent now well it's like you know i think james you might have

1190
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:45,840
brought it up where you know the idea of watching something with tropes before it's tired and realizing

1191
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:56,160
how good a thing can be in when it was introduced when it was when it was original and it's not and

1192
02:02:56,720 --> 02:03:05,920
it it's so interesting to watch content thereafter not have the confidence to be original in itself

1193
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:12,880
but to also pay homage but the best stuff does and i think this movie is that is it does well to pay

1194
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:20,240
homage to the not just and what's so special about this movie is not just horror but also like

1195
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:28,000
by and large like teen or popular media at the time and this i think too what works for me is how

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smart the casting is how specific it is just like with what erin had mentioned about this being so

1197
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:44,160
deliciously of the 90s is i i genuinely feel so strongly about this movie because not only

1198
02:03:44,160 --> 02:03:51,280
is it the first to do things that now are so tired and so if you want to refresh yourself about and go

1199
02:03:51,280 --> 02:03:58,960
to like mecca if you will to where things you know where things originate from in order to like get

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02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:04,960
kind of like this spiritual fulfillment of like right things used to be this good you know but now

1201
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:10,320
this has just been a photocopy of a photocopy and it's been taking a lot of the wrong messaging

1202
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:15,680
along the way this is a great example of being at that center and having such a

1203
02:04:16,240 --> 02:04:22,960
smart take on it and it's well casted well acted by and large sure it has some really like

1204
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:31,280
it had some pitfalls that it falls into but i it's so weird to be so forgiving

1205
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:36,880
of some of those things at times when you want to be critical and you want to make sure that you

1206
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:43,760
yourself feel like you understand how important or where what how effective this thing is and

1207
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:52,240
i think there is enough here that its shortcomings are overcome i think it is a it is representative

1208
02:04:52,240 --> 02:04:59,280
of its time its place and truly entertaining at the end of the day and that's what really matters

1209
02:04:59,280 --> 02:05:05,280
is this is a super fucking fun and entertaining definitely and so i would say yeah for me

1210
02:05:06,720 --> 02:05:14,560
it's definitely in the 80s i'm gonna go i was at 80 but after hearing what you guys were saying

1211
02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:22,240
i'm at an 85 i'm at an 85 right here i feel great about this movie i would definitely recommend it

1212
02:05:22,240 --> 02:05:30,320
i'd watch it again in scream 2 like please go watch it it's fun it's yeah uh and that's

1213
02:05:30,320 --> 02:05:35,600
do the double feature definitely do it please yeah it works and it's still got like the most

1214
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:43,200
recent one came out this year so like it's it's still it's still doing stuff it's in it's six

1215
02:05:43,200 --> 02:05:47,360
installment and what i've heard and i haven't seen that one but i've in my little scream 2 research

1216
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:54,800
apparently that one takes a lot of notes from this from scream 2 because they essentially rebooted it

1217
02:05:54,800 --> 02:06:01,680
in the last one in a way and so this new one is kind of like the sequel to that one and she i believe

1218
02:06:01,680 --> 02:06:06,400
the main character is like going to new york to go to college and i believe there's some easter eggs

1219
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:11,440
to scream to so i'm looking forward to watching that one and uh yeah i think i'm in i'm in on this

1220
02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:19,680
franchise and i'm going to fill it out um and it's cool to uh be horror movie buds uh and to

1221
02:06:19,680 --> 02:06:23,760
talk about something that's very much worth talking about and it's made to have these discussions

1222
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:27,680
characters in the movies are having discussions that we're having and it's uh i think it just

1223
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makes it that much more fun and um brannon i brant well first again thank you erin for joining us

1224
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:39,840
hope you enjoyed yourself yeah thanks for having me yeah just uh such salient points and and and

1225
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:46,080
so and very well well stated and uh for our next movie brandini i was gonna go ahead and just uh

1226
02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:56,320
i'm pretty sure i know what it is it's another sequel it's a buddy cop situation it's a rush

1227
02:06:56,320 --> 02:07:02,480
shower do situation right oh yeah yeah it's gonna be okay hell yeah okay just wanted to make sure

1228
02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:08,720
i'm so excited for this movie um it is polarizing so not everyone loves it that's why we're talking

1229
02:07:08,720 --> 02:07:14,160
about it unfortunately not everyone loves this movie it is a 51 percent critic critically reviewed

1230
02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:24,560
uh movie on ron tomatoes is a 74 audience reviewed movie uh from 2001 um yeah chris rock jakey chan

1231
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:35,840
please join us it's uh gonna be another buddy car summer sequel time it's that that's working

1232
02:07:35,840 --> 02:07:43,680
for scrabaganza yeah thank you okay okay that's what it's called now okay good yeah you got it

1233
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:49,840
it's been such a blast if you want to reach us anywhere polarize the pod at gmail.com

1234
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:58,400
twitch.tv slash polarized pod live if you want to catch us there um on x polarized pod

1235
02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:07,440
um and yeah it's like move on and uh yeah it's been a true pleasure uh serving you and your

1236
02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:33,920
polarizing movie needs we'll see you next time love you all goodbye bye bye highly balanced super

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drinkable