Hello, hi, everybody. Welcome to the podcast of the polarized podcast, the home for all
your polarizing movie needs. I am one of your hosts, James. Welcome. We are talking a spooky movie
in the middle of a tail end of summertime. We're in we're an ongy dogy season tail end of ogy
dogy. It is sequel time as well. We did bad boys two last week, we're doing scream to this week.
It's a polarizing movie. What that means is the critics love this one and audience. Not so not so
much feeling it. We got an 82% from the critics. We have a 58% from the audience. That means it's
polarizing. They disagree on it on rotten tomatoes. Sometimes audiences favorite as well. And then
the critics don't like it. But either way, they disagree. These are all the movies that we talk
about here, the movies that people just can't seem to get on the same page about. And the past couple
ones have been sequels. And we're jumping right into a franchise in its second outing.
And that creates, you know, some feelings that is just many of those feelings about sequels
are discussed in this movie itself, which is a fascinating, metatextual commentary that is
inherent in all of these screen movies. I'm so happy to join you today. Before I go any further
into the real, the real meaty, the real important topic today, which is scream to I would like to
introduce my trusty companion. He has lasted this far we have we are the co conspirators of this
podcast if you will. Maybe he's is he the Loomis am I the Matt? What's Matt Lillard's character? I
don't know if this was a murder that had to take place this podcast. Then we would be on the scene
as the Loomis and the Matthew will herd me the forever guest. Him? The man with the plan. It is
Brandini? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, all rise kingdom. Welcome me. Welcome. Welcome you, James
Welcome me. Welcome you. We should be every every app.
Hi. That's my new greeting. Hey.
Welcome you. Welcome you. Welcome you. What's up man?
What up? Hey, how's it going? It's fun to jump. I feel like we're jumping around in the podcast
today. We didn't get into too much small talk before it. So you guys would just, I mean,
we're small talking right now. Yeah. And you guys are here for it. Isn't that great? This is,
this is how this is our relationship. And this is our relationship. I want to establish you
like have been watching some of these movies recently. So I'm going to be referring to you for
maybe some scream one knowledge or perhaps some spoilers for the later entries in the franchise
if we want to go there. But yeah, how the hell are you? I'm doing well, man. I, you know, a little
concert update. I went and saw my morning jacket recently that and I also saw a yellow card somewhat
recently. Whoa. So I have some concert updates for all of those people. We're doing concert update.
We do that segment sometimes. I got some concert updates. So man, I'm doing good. I'm feeling good
about it. I'm a little stressed that summer's over almost over because that's my favorite.
Yeah. A little, a little stressed, a little anxious because, you know, I just, it's that
fleeting feeling like, you know, sand running, you know, falling through your fingers where time
is here in the rain. And this, yeah. And that summer's going away, baby. And I hate to see it go.
I really do. Yeah. But sometimes you just got to, you got to let the chick go and let it,
let it see if it can fly from the nest and that's, and it'll, it'll fly and it'll come back next
summer with, with more stories to tell. I don't know what this, where this metaphor is going.
I love it. Oh, it was so philosophical. I lost it.
You're a big time summer guy. I'm a huge summer. I'm kind of looking forward to the transition
now to summer. I mean, there's a part of me that is sick of sweating 24 seven. So there,
that part of me is really stoked about it getting cooler. But man, I don't know. It's just the,
the summer vibes are maculant. I just, you know, I've enjoyed the summer as well. Yeah,
I've enjoyed the vibe. I know. I know. I've had a few concerts myself and yeah, let's
can I reveal a con? I don't think I've told you this, Brandon, but I also went to a concert.
Tell me, I went to see me. And if my guests, if our guests wants to jump in at any time and
we'll introduce you as we go along as well, but you're welcome to jump in at any time. Don't
feel like you have to, you have to sit here for concert review, but I went to the Ares tour
of a little artist known as Taylor Swift. Holy shit. I don't know.
I don't think yeah, there's a win. And it was, how I would describe it. I'm not the biggest Taylor
Swift fan and I had a Swifty is what I'm not the biggest. Okay. See, that's why. See, you already
know. See, I didn't even use the proper nomenclature. I'm not the biggest Swifty. I love, I do love a
good, good Swifty. Oh my God, you're going to make so many of them mad that you're not a big Swifty.
Okay. Oh, well, I'm, well, the reason I say that I am a big one. I'm just not the biggest.
I definitely love her. I went to the fucking concert. Of course I love her. But I just know
there's other, there's others that weren't there that are probably even bigger fans than I am.
So that's, that's almost like a, like, I don't know if I fill the prerequisite to some of the
more hardcore Swifties to, to earn a, to go to a show, but I went and I enjoyed myself and it,
it, how I describe it was the best concert I've ever seen in my life in terms of production.
And, and she, she played 44 fucking songs and the whole conceit of the show and the tour
is the era is, yeah. So she goes through chunks of her, her whole career and does like, I don't know,
like five, four to six months. Yeah. Like four to six and some of them are like shorter. And then
she does a couple of surprise songs for that are different for each show. Mine got special exile,
exile, the Bonnie Bear song from folklore. You didn't come out, but I like that song.
But yeah, like, I say that because maybe I like other other bands, maybe a bit better. And I would
say like, when I like, I would like, oh, maybe that's another like a radio head show is my favorite
show I've ever been to. But as far as like production value and everything that was involved
with it is like, it's like, and I saw a SoFi stadium and I've never been to that stadium before and
the very big and, and you just hear, I never heard that many people screening lyrics to a song. And
it almost was like a nerd. It almost like felt like being in like, I don't know, just like a Colton.
Yeah. Or like an apocalypse. Yeah.
Or like the Senate at like stars just like, right. This is how democracy.
And it was in like a circle. I just never, I've never heard that sound before. It was made me
like, it was like emotional. Like when I first started and I was just like, Oh, wow, like this,
I've never experienced anything like this before. And it makes me want to be like, come on, Ray,
you had doing errors tour, doing errors tour for me. Go through all the albums and just my morning
jacket, doing errors. Everyone doing errors tour and just go through and do like very like
chrono. It wasn't fully chronological, but just eat chunks of your albums. But I feel like if
taking too much time, I just had to give my, my, my sweet. I thought you enjoyed it, man.
It was awesome. Yeah. Do you, do you have your favorite era? I was trying to figure out what to
dress myself. Your favorite era at the show. Yeah. I guess that could be a thing to not like,
you know, so much of like what music outside of the concert era wise, like what album of hers
you liked the most, but what era maybe you saw was your favorite too? Maybe that's,
yeah, I mean, that might be two different questions, but I'd say, but I'd say if I had to
round them into one, I think, and this, you know, at the risk of plugging our other podcast,
broad pod where we talk about music producers, we just talked about Max Martin and I spent a lot of
time listening to, you know, both red and 1989. And I feel like 1989 is just, I don't know if it's
my, hi, yeah, it's, it's tough because it's when I, and the way that I think about that question
is like, if I could only have one Taylor, I feel like that's a pretty good one to have. But then
also it's like, then you miss a little bit of the more country folksy stuff. If you just,
that's a little bit more of the arena pop everything, but man, when she played those songs,
that was like, like shaking off must have been pretty incredible. Yeah. That red, I think,
was when things were at the peak, like people fucking going crazy. And I was red is my favorite
album of hers. Incredible album. Incredible album. And that's, that's how I trouble. That was my
dress. How did I dress because I was like, how am I going to dress in air? So I wore a red shirt.
And oh, you got into it. That's fun. I did my best in some red, in some red Nike shoes. And
then I, and when I got there, I realized there was like, like, I saw 20 other guys wearing the
exact same outfit as me because we can figure out what I'll do. Oh, red shirt. That'll work.
So, oh my, well, that's so, I mean, that's, hey, that's the benefit of being a guy. You can just
be like, oh, this is me trying. And everybody's like, oh, great. Good for you. Oh, he tried. Isn't
that so wonderful. But I really love folklore as well. I think that album is amazing. And that
has like, you know, the, the Desner national sort of sound to it. And I think that, yeah,
that one was a mirror ball might be my favorite song that's on that album. And oh, cool. Yeah.
Yeah. For sure. Um, God, what, I was just going to ask you one more thing before we introduce
our guests. I know. Sorry. Sorry. Our favorite guest. Yeah. We'll get, we love you. The question
I was going to ask you was fuck, maybe God, it was Oh, and Heim also opened by the way. Oh,
oh, wow. And then they came out for, oh, what's the song? I know he did it, but I just can't prove
it. The one it's on evermore. And they, they sang that together and that was so cool.
Seen fucking and they sounded amazing opening. And me and you, Brandini, I'm sure we covered
this on the past concert review when we saw the chili peps at the Pepco Park. Perhaps.
I'm open and they're just like a great, it's an amazing in an arena. I was born.
And we showed up a little bit late like when they were, when they like, I just got on. But
man, they, they filled that fucking space so well. And these, these sounds, I was going to
address peppers would be a good band to do an era's tour because they have so many different
sounds over the years. Like this, so they would really have a lot, a lot of bands, you know,
they've been around a long time, but like a lot of their eras are, it's still very clearly the same
band where Taylor had so much evolution from album to album and the chili peppers are a lot like
that. And as I agree, and they kind of did that, but it's just the her, it's so much as the production,
right? Cause I just, you know, my, I'm changing is like costume changes, backdrop changes, all of
that stuff, which is certainly not a change. Again, I watched the, watched the concert. Oh my God.
Yeah. So many live streams. Like a whole cabin and shit for like, she just fucking sings like a
cabin at one point. It's, it's crazy. It's wild. I, yeah. It's going to be a cherished concert memory
for me and has like invigorating even new love for her as well. So like listening to her now,
it's just even, even better, more better. That's what I would say about my morning jacket, man.
I haven't really listened to too many of their albums, but I've listened to a couple over the
years and seeing them live for the first time that that is just immaculate vibes. We were talking
about immaculate vibes for the summer. My morning jacket is just really like so good live. His voice
sounds incredible. And I think the song selection is just amazing. You know, there, it's slow and
meditative at times, but really it just brings so much energy when it needs to that you never like,
it's not, it's not too like, let's just sit down and enjoy this. It always still maintains a level
of like, we're at a concert. We're together. We're here, you know, feeling the music. It breathes. Yeah.
And, but then there's some like, I'm thinking of like Z and like, keep it off the record.
It's kind of like a, it's a downbeat sort of like almost like a reggae, almost a dub dub dub style
a little bit. Dub style. You know, you know, dub style. Maybe we're going to do that too much.
Okay. So we're avoiding being canceled. Let's bring in our guest. You may know him from
wonderful past episodes. And then knocking knock. What is it knocking down the house? Knocked down
the house knocked down the house knocked down the house. What else do we got? What was the last one?
Fuck, help me out, James. Well, we didn't do great. A show meant together. Did we? Didn't we do a
musical together? No. Do what? Which one? I don't feel bad. Yeah. What was the last one?
Oh, it came back for a deer Evan Hansen. The musical. Yeah. It was a musical. I know you have
a great show. I mean, just prior to that. And we, yes, because we were on this musical. Got it. Okay.
Well, bring him in. Bring him in. Hey, we got air more. Yes. Yes. We're here. Man. Oh, thank you
for coming back. That waving through the window is on my playlist of this year. Like I can't,
I love it when it comes up on this playlist I made. I just, I can't, I can't help myself. I love
waving through the window. I think that's such a like great musical song. Yeah. He's in a new
movie coming out. It's like about theater camp or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Classic. Classic.
Looks kind of funny. Looks good. He just, yeah, we get it. He was in theater. Let's see him in
other stuff. It's like a whole movie. Is he going to be a counselor or is he going to be
another movie where he's like ghoulishly shambles around the screen pretending to be a teenager?
Right. Yeah. I don't know if I can do it. I don't know if I can go to camp mother and father.
Just, yeah, it's anxiously shuffling around and like sure, sure. Like shooting his head
forward to belt out these notes. Like, and he's like, yeah, just forehead just bulging. He's
like fully bald at this point. He's punch show. Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's, it's that bit from
not another teen movie where they're making fun of I've never been kissed.
It's just, yeah, clearly, clearly not a student. I'm thinking this movie. Let's, let's, yeah.
Let's have American summer as well. You know, like the prequels in there. It's like 20 years later,
they make the prequels and everyone's older, but they don't hide it. It's such a funny bit that
lasts the whole season of the show. Amazing. Just the idea to in the thing of like TV, where you
just make people look worse rather than better is such a funny thing. I know that Mac and Sonny
is a good example of that where you just got super fat. Now he's all ripped. But I that's just
to, to continue on. And this, if we're, if we're going to get into, into this franchise, I mean,
everybody's just everybody's a snack and all these movies.
It's a snack, but also, yeah, to the point we're making here is clearly not of high school age.
Oh, no. It is aggressive when you just like college, but yeah.
But like freshman in college, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like this went to college. Yeah. Freshman
in college, but they look like they're all 27. But you know what? Another one has their journey.
Everybody looks, everybody looks good. Oh, yeah. I'm love. That's I think this. Yeah. If we can,
if you just want to start there, the cast of this movie is impeccable, especially maybe they weren't
who they were at the time, but then looking back on it, it really holds up when you see
you fucking Joshua Jackson have one line in a classroom. You're like, Hey, it's fucking Doss,
Dawson's, or he's Dawson in the titular Dawson's Creek, right? It's his Creek.
Uh-huh. Right. That's it. All right. So let's mark that.
Oh, but that class thing scene, I think that that's a fun, that's a fun conversation.
It's incredibly fun. We can start with the cold open instead.
Yeah. Let's talk about that cold open because, you know, one thing I would say is that,
you know, the kind of energy and attitude that Jada pink is bringing, I could understand a little
bit where Will Smith was coming from. With what? Which part? She is, she's difficult in this. Would
you not agree? Like she is, I not to say that Omar apps is being like a, you know, a gentleman by
and large, you know, you know, he's kind of being a sleaze, but she is like, absolutely really being
a jerk and like rude and not pleasant to be around like the whole real spoil sport, just a real nag.
But he's also being, yeah, total sleaze, just not very considerate.
No, not at all. She wants to see that Sandra Bullock picture.
Right. But everyone's lining up for stab. It looks like an event. I mean,
Oh yeah. And then, right. But then it starts right off the bat, right? For Omar, where he's like,
wants to go see a horror movie because it like makes being scared makes people horny or something
like that. To that effect. He's not. I'll get us in the mood. I'm like, oh, gross, dude. Come on.
But we got Omar apps and Jada pink it and like really there. It's the same shit across the board
with those cast is like everybody is on this upswing. These are so huge, exciting, you know,
young Hollywood actors, which I mean, not for nothing, you know, a fair amount of them have
had really lengthy and successful careers. I mean, fuck, we got to leave Shriver in this.
We got a Jada, you know, Timothy fucking. I don't know. Those people have had great careers. Love,
love Timothy. Whoa, Jerry O'Connell. Yeah. Oh yeah. And Jerry O'Connell is great. He has,
he I don't know. He's got this. He's got this kind of look at this movement to him that I don't know.
Kara has mentioned he was one of her favorite. My wife has his one of her favorite people that
she's ever worked with was was Jerry O'Connell. He was that's great. He was a sweetheart. Oh,
I get it. He kind of exudes that innately, you know, that he is a sweetheart and such a good
good looking dude. Yeah. And he glowed up too, because he was, you know, and what is the stand
stand by me is up by me. Yeah. Stand by me. Stand by me. Stand by me. Stand by me. Stand
Jerry O'Connell. And he all of a man. He all of a young tea all of a font a in this. And I loved it.
He has always been bringing that crazy people at the Shire never going to believe this back in
the saw. So I'm all for it. I was a problem. So we're going to move on past that. Sorry.
No, we are leaving that one in. No, I think you're yeah, you're right. You should like when you
go when you go to the Shire, James, let me know how they don't believe you.
Oh, whatever the fuck. Oh, come on. That's from Robin Hood. That's from Robin. Okay.
All right. Well, we're moving on now. You can't. Where am I Robin? You got your Robin hood in your
Lord of the Rings. Let's get out of here. Damn. Have your chocolate and my peanut butter.
Could you imagine Robin Hood could could just roll up into Lord of the Rings?
Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. You're right. Okay. So back to the screen.
So the start of this movie is out of movie pretty meta. Right?
We're talking about right off the bat. Right off the bat, too. Like both of them are talking about
like black representation in film and media and everything. And they're talking about,
you know, that just it's that kind of metatexual sort of thing is already starting with
everyone seems to be really in touch with pop culture, which is I'd say like pretty.
It's good. I think the metatexual stuff's good. Like the people I know and friends are
really just like fun to talk about movies. Fun. Oh, here we are on a podcast talking about movies.
So it's just like to see people being very media savvy in the movie and talking,
talking about it in the way that almost Tarantino or something talks about
movies and like kind of breaking it down and in broad strokes and everything is like
kind of satisfying sometimes. And we'll talk about it. It gets a little, little much, but you know,
this is. Yeah, this movie in particular, because yeah, I just watched all three of them
leading up to this and because they're great. The third one is the worst, obviously. But I mean,
it's still it's set in Hollywood. It's fun. It's, you know, it's a fun movie. I had not seen these
movies really growing up. I think I because they've just never been a horror guy. I feel
like a broken record because I've talked about that on, you know, that aspect about me, which
has definitely changed now, especially after doing this podcast, because like we pushed like ourselves
and myself in doing this podcast to do a bunch of different horror movies that really opened me up
to loving the genre and being into the genre in a lot of ways. And I like the gore in this is really
like it's very gruesome, but also like fun. Like, you know, it's exciting. It's interesting.
Kind of like how they choose to kill people. But would you say that your issues sometimes with
horror movies might be, and I know it's for me as well as like the, it can be very tropey, you know,
and for like, there's a lot of tropes and there's a lot of stereotypes of like how, like, especially
a slasher movie might go. And at this time leading like shortly after the 80s, when that was such a
big thing to reinvigorate the like, and make a horror franchise, it almost have to deconstruct
it and subvert it and kind of play with those tropes and the difference in a satirical sort of
way, which I think would speak to somebody who's yeah, not as big into scary movies and more like
is like an outsider looking in. I know we like them now, but I think I'm even thinking of a lot
of these references for me were backwards because I saw scary movie first. Same, right? And I would
like snippets of the first scream and everything, but being more familiar with like scary movie.
And then yeah, just the the ending of the first one and the twist inherent in it and the ability
to do that with satirical elements is never I don't know. It's really hard to beat that. But I
wanted to ask Aaron, do you have like a history with this franchise? Is this like mean anything to
you or like horror movies in general or like the yeah, I think I saw first scream the third the
year it came on video because I obviously was too young to see it in the theaters. I saw it at a
sleepover when I was I think in third grade. Wow. And I had yeah, I was watching a lot of those
because I had a friend at the time who would we watched a lot of those like the horror slashers
of the day and also like the more action oriented movies like Blade and stuff like stuff that was
not age appropriate. But like we already don't care. Yeah, like an R rated R rated L. Yeah.
Those are fucking awesome. That is a voice clip that could be taken badly out of context. An R
rated elementary school friend. Brandon was the one who showed me saw for the first time for
someone who was not into scary movies. He was an edge lord. So he showed me saw and like I
was like never seen a scary movie before. I didn't see Scream 2 until years later. And at first I
didn't like it. But after rewatching it for the podcast, I'm totally on board and I really see
Scream 2 now as awesome. Yeah, right. It's an awesome movie on like a special fun and entertaining
so like really it's awesomely 90s. Totally. The soundtrack is so good. Like so delicious. And then
I see the movie though as being like a functional part two more so than a sequel, which is not exactly
how it was written. But like he already had a pitch and like a treatment for the second movie
when they when he was selling the first movie like two different ones. I think. Yeah. And it was
still in theaters when they greenlit Scream 2. Correct. So in theaters when they greenlit Scream
2 and that it feels like that feels like it was kind of always intended to happen right after.
So it feels like more of a part two than like a sequel. But it plays with that idea of being a
sequel in such a fun way to right. Oh my god. Which that is where the movie succeeds and also
has its greatest feelings is that it it handles the trope. It handles the commentary and the pit
falls in the tropes that it is making fun of as a sequel. But then it does fall a little bit prey
to it itself. And then you're like, ooh, you're actually a little bit behind the eight ball here.
If you're you were in front of it being like making fun of it and being on top of it and that was
good. But now you're falling a little bit behind. That's where these kind of rides the line on this
one a little bit. But I mean to Aaron's point is like it's just I agree. It's it's really fun,
though. This was such an enjoyable watch where it was it's got a lot in it. It moves along cranks
along. Oh yeah. It's cool. Yeah. And sometimes I just hadn't seen enough horror movies to get
everything out of it. Right. Like what it's referencing. Oh, this is this is good.
But yeah, I'm in the same same bow. And I think it is like it's good for you yourself to be
somewhat media savvy in watching this movie as well because it's it's playing with those tropes
and it's playing with lots of the stereotypes that are inherent in scary movies and slasher
movies for that matter. Yeah, I I'm on the same page with you guys. And I think a lot of the meta
stuff that sometimes I have a hard time with and I feel like I've warmed up a lot more since it's
just so inherent in a lot of our our media these days since we're also media savvy and
it's a it's a natural part of it. And even think, you know, we're talking about like
Matrix resurrections or whatever or we Brandon and I rewatched I get to scream five technically.
And that's where these movies kind of, you know, that at parts they fall flat when they try to
have their cake and eat it to where it's kind of trying to have the satirical fun poking,
you know, subversion at horror movies sort of stick. But then like you're saying, Brandon, it
falls prey to the same things that those like laziness that they kind of in criticize for
they just go into that same well. And I thought I thought it was interesting you brought up the
the it got greenlit, you know, immediately already have like a little back like, oh, what's this on
the back? Oh, it already two more treatments for another movies. Let's do it. Kevin, Kevin
Williamson just included those. But people were so into it. And the internet was a new thing
that when it was it, the script was written, it actually got leaked. And the ending was spoiled
for some people so much so that they decided in the making of the movie to rejigger it and try to
find different ways to throw people off the scent. They would write what Kevin Williamson described
as dummy scripts where he would essentially what they did with Game of Thrones and like the last
couple seasons of Game of Thrones, where they would have fake scripts and and not tell the cast until
like the day or like the week of when they were shooting and everything, and to try to keep things
so locked up. And the original ending from what I little my research was, there's going to be four
killers. And it was going to be the two Timothy Timothy Oliphant. What's his face is mom. And
then it was going to be her friend. And her boyfriend, Jerry O'Connell and her best friend,
we're going to be like lovers that were like, together that we're trying to pretty much bank
on being pop, like getting media coverage themselves the same almost like, like there's a
lot of care. And there's a few characters in the movie that are really concerned with like being
famous and popular. And you know, and that was like their motivation as well. And there's even
like a fake one about Dewey being the killer. And which is what's scary movie essentially
has a scary movie. Yeah. Yeah. What is it? What do they say? Duffy or something? Officer? No,
doofy. Doofy. Officer doofy reporter for duty.
I told you to stop taking your dick in the vacuum cleaner.
Then they have that whole they do the scene too of him with the vacuum. Oh my God. And then he's
like, yeah, what is that smell? I just made a duty in my pants. Because it's so it's making fun of
David Arquette's performance, which I kind of again, like, you know, what it's so funny this
being a situation where you've seen the parody before you've seen the original and watching
the original now, you're like, I get why they made officer doofy because yeah, David Arquette just
has this like kind of dumb guy energy to like a simpleton. Yeah. That's the best.
And even like the best friend, I feel like now now, like watching this second one line,
the best friend in this movie, whoever does it, I forget her name and in scary movie is just a
really good impression of like the best friend and everything. I don't know. Yeah. Oh my God.
Things kind of have are coming together from for me a little bit. What is her name? God,
I just remember she's so funny. The scary movie actress is so funny. At least at least Neil,
who plays Halle and in Scream 2. Oh, yes. The scary movie actress is so funny.
How or Halle and got you. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Oh, no, but that's that girl thinking of
the others. This one like the friend that's like making fun of her stereotype. You know what I mean?
Like kind of there's, um, isn't there sorority girls? There's like porcelain. Yeah. Porcelain.
Sorority girls. Dorasi is in here. Yeah. That's what I mean. That that stereotype too. Where I
think the line is hers that I like I'm in love with this line when she goes to the party, you
know, her friend Halle drags her to the party and she's at the party finally with the sorority
girls, the Delta lambdas and what Jerry or Timothy bring martinis to them and a college party.
It was I was flabbergasted. I was like, wait a minute. Who's drinking more tea?
Who's drinking more at this party? And then people are like, Oh, I was making martinis.
That's what took so long. I made it. I made a note of this one 28 38 20, 28 minutes, 38 seconds.
The sorority girls walk up to Neve Campbell and they go, hi. No, I really mean that. Hi.
And it's such a great line. It's like it's such a brilliant like communication that the Delta
lambdas are like coming down to the nice, but like so dumb. Oh my God. Yeah. Hi. Because it's
so I really mean that. Hi. I find there and it it was so fun to me the dynamic there because
Neve Campbell is the more popular person. So it isn't really a situation of like Neve Campbell
wanting to be popular through the popular girls. The popular girls want to be her friend because
it's advantageous to them because she's like Neve Campbell seemingly is plaster on the news
every day movie that wants notoriety, that wants to be attached to like these current events that
are garnering all this attention and people want it for social capital. They want to make money
off of it. They want to have a legacy as like, you know, in the case of the killer to like be this
this lasting like serial killer story, like they all everybody wants a piece of it.
Or to avenge it like, yeah, the mom wants to wants revenge and her interests lie in the same
as Timothy Oliphant and then like, yeah, do that was perfectly put because everyone is using the
events of the past movie in a different way and most of them are trying to use it to their
advantage in some way. How convoluted as it might be, but in a psychopath's mind like Timothy
Oliphant, Oliphant, it doesn't really have to make sense. It just has to in his mind, it has to
and that's kind of yeah, banks on like the ideas of the first one and the killers and that one.
And yeah, it has the multiple killer thing as well. But that commentary definitely definitely
goes even further about yeah, just about why we make these movies in the first place and what kind
of and like getting kicks off of like making a scary movie based on a true story because
I definitely remember saying yeah, I mean, it's not it's still being done today too. But I just
remember like going to movie theaters and yeah, early 2000s and 90s for that matter where it moved
past past the slasher thing and it really had become based on a true story and it was the
Amityville horror. I know there's a million movies and then there was a bit of original or
something and everything. But recently with with Dahmer and with Bundy like their victims
families are still alive and when Netflix cashed in on both of those with their respective
biopics of of each of those killers, it's like there was the backlash of is this import taste is
this? Yeah, the answer is yes. It's just 100% yes. Yeah.
It's interesting. Sorry, but you're gonna prop you're gonna profit off the telling of this story.
And I mean, yeah, just put it put yourself in their shoes for two fucking seconds and realize
like if your family member got murdered by somebody, would you want everybody to go around being like
isn't this you know, isn't this killer so you know, interesting and you know,
you know, yeah, again, sensationalizing that person. Has anyone here watched Barry?
I have not. Okay, I've heard it's good. I've seen a couple episodes and it was very good,
but there's so much to watch. Yeah, there's so much out there. If you get the chance,
it's three seasons. I think they're each 10 episodes each and the ending deals a lot with
what we're talking about in a very interesting way about how we tell the stories that we want to
hear even if they're not necessarily the truth. And that's a slippery, slippery slope when you
say based on a true story, it could just a lot of those horror movies, I'm sure just like a
headline and then they just took it and ran with it in whatever sort of direction.
That's what Courtney Cox does to bring it back, right? Is like her whole her whole bit is, you
know, making these making these books. She's always promoting a book, you know, about some
murderer. And like the camera man was like, she said he got gutted or something. It was like,
well, actually got stabbed in the back, but that sounded better. You got a throat slit.
The throat slit, right? Yeah, it wasn't fully accurate and accurate and true. And even those
finer details, she's she's fucking with them. How do we feel about Courtney in general in this movie?
I guess knowing. Good. I like her. Yeah. I thought she was well handled. And I thought that
the the that she acted the part well. I think she's just a lot, right? It's in her whole
character is really such a huge pain in the ass. And so in kind of unscrupulous as well.
90s and her character is not Monica from Friends, which just does speak to the fact that
somebody who had such a prolific like really prominent figure in pop culture at the time.
Yeah, you're one of the most well known TV show on the planet.
Both movies. In screen one and two, I'm not like watching and calling like, well,
this is just Monica from Friends. Distinct character.
I would argue the opposite in a lot in more ways than one because yeah, Monica from Friends is
just is so much more in her own head. Unsure of herself has all of the all of these things. And then,
and, you know, Gail, what is it? Gail Weathers. Yeah, she's more like her Ace Ventura character.
But yeah, I mean, God, she is like the, you know, I'm sure the the
very, very confident person within Courtney, you know, the that character she's pulling out is
like, what is the hyperconfident version of myself? Because man, she just like dresses down the
cameraman every chance she gets, you know, there's a lot of time that she's just like,
you're a fucking idiot. You're you're overweight. You need to you need to just pay attention. You
need to get your shit together. Just to Debbie Salt, who later turns out to be Mrs. Loomis.
She's the way she rocks her first hits the screen. Yeah, she's like, she's Debbie Salt is
trying to like flatter her to like get a scoop from her right around on her. And it's like your
flattery is predictable. Like you're not the reporter you think you are like get out of my face.
And you're just like, oh, Jesus. Her kind of resonates in a way where the yeah, the movie has
a little bit to, you know, a little bit to say about some of that stuff and a little bit to say,
you know, and I think the yeah, they definitely use Gail Weathers for that purpose where she's
by the end, you know, chastising the reporters for being like, you know, you're hurting people here
when she and herself is probably the worst example of, you know, or the bed of worst
best ever example of being of trying perpetrating that. And then by the end, she's kind of changed
her tune a bit. So I guess that the movie, you know, does use her as the media in the same way
that like a character that I don't know, I'm a little I'm a little unsure about just Dewey's
involvement in this movie, but they do use him kind of like as the law, you know, even though
that his the guy who who plays the sheriff or whatever is his father, another Arquette,
the bald dude is like is actually David Arquette's father, which I thought is pretty funny. But like
bringing him in and then like even when they cut to him, he's just like all of a sudden at the
university and he's just like, how did I get here? Because he's really concerned. And I think that is
that right there is what is successful about Dewey to me is that even though he really by
and large comes off as a doofus, he is has a heart of gold. And like he's there on campus because
he has heard about the the murder that happened so similar and wanted to make sure Neve was okay.
So he goes to the college to make sure she's okay because he cares about his friends,
especially people he's not the first movie with. So that's fine. I just wanted to be more in like
a rogue capacity if it's going to be that like at the end of that scene where he's like, he's like,
I'm in touch with the local sheriff and we're going to figure this out. I'm like, what? Why would
they give a fuck about you coming into town to be like, I'm going to solve your case or be like,
get the fuck out of here and go home. I want I want him to be like, no, I'm like doing shit
behind the scenes that I shouldn't be doing to try to solve this mystery. But whatever. I just
think like they put them together. They got good chemistry. That's that's fine and good. But some
of their stuff was was like, not as interesting as the rest of the movie. You know, besides their
chemistry, they're good together, you know. Yeah, I don't know. As I think about it more, I just
also find it really like it's such an interesting choice, seemingly that David is making where
there is this he allows for a character arc to happen of him growing in confidence, him overcoming,
you know, his like unsureness because there's also two like really, I don't know, the relationship
stuff with him and Gail is also, I think really works for me. That's oddly because it just
like he could come off as super cheesy, but for some reason it just like, you know what it is.
It's fine. It's just like chemistry. There doesn't. Yeah, the reason he's there just doesn't work as
well for me. But once they're in it, yeah, I guess it's it's okay. No, I get what you mean though,
because like I imagine too is that he is going to the local like police and acting so like
like sheepish or so like unsure that people would be like, what? No, get out of here. No,
he's immediately in all those meetings and he's like pulling all the shots a little bit sometimes
he's like saying these lines are just like and and like when yeah, and he's in the police station
or like the hospital or whatever and he's just a part of everything already. But it's a fun cast
of characters. The cast of characters is great. The cast said, well, it's an it's an ensemble thing
for for the most part. And I yeah, I think everyone has their part to play in Jamie Kennedy as as well.
You know, how did we feel about elite and not leave? Well, I want to get to leave in a bit, but
first I had the performance by Jerry O'Connell during lunch or whatever. I was out of nowhere.
That came out of last field. I don't think I like that one bit. I'm trying. Here's a
I think that there's a reason that scenes in the movie because that yeah, it is kind of jarring
and like you're just like, what am I watching right now? This one from like this one from a horror
movie to like a teen comedy like and it's a referencing top gun. Top gun. Yeah. So he's
referencing top gun in that scene. And I think the point is that so much of this movie, the sequel
is about whether or not movies like imitate life or life imitates the movies. And so it's like
all these killers are like imitating the movies. So like in Mickey's case, it's to, you know,
spoiler for a movie that came out in 1997, Mickey's the killer. It's only one or two, though.
But he he's doing it because he like wants to get to the trial and he he's like wants to make this
whole point about like I did it because the movies made me do it. And that's like his goal
is to be that serial killer in history. And then Derek goes the other direction, like when he
wants to imitate movies, like he imitates a scene from top gun because he maybe doesn't know how to
express himself to Sidney. He knows that they're kind of having a wow. And he can't figure out like
I don't know how I don't I don't word so good. I'm just big and pretty and safe. And he goes with
let me just reenact this scene from top gun because like I don't know how to be romantic, but like I
can take a page out of this movie and do romance that way in the same way that people who do violence
will say well I don't really know what I'm doing here. So maybe I'll just imitate movies. But that
doesn't make me mean that the movies were at fault because like was that not a romantic thing of Derek
to do just because he like got it from a movie and like so that I think it's it's all part of that
same milieu of like did the movies make the killers kill? It's like well no, but you know people are
only so creative. So they're going to imitate art in their everyday lives in real life where the
movie takes place. Derek is imitating the movies and so is Mickey. And they definitely want to
mess around as much as possible. Yeah, very well said as possible with the boyfriend character.
I feel like they're constantly tugging back and forth with with him. And yeah, maybe to your
point too, it's you know if this guy is so inspired by movies, you know maybe he'll he'll do something
other something else that'd be more heinous in the cause. Yeah, right. I think if he's going to
sing a song in the middle, maybe he's going to do something else too. But the way that it's a good
point that they played with his character, I thought you know I enjoyed it. But that that was
I don't know in the moment I was like what is going on? Am I watching? But he does things like
you know from top good. Yeah. And everybody liked it, which I don't know. I just wanted to give
me danger zone. Somebody did that in the logins. I was there. I think I would I would be like,
yeah, man, cool. Yeah, this is fun. You know, we're we're it had flash mob energy to me,
especially people clapping at the end. They're like, wow, I didn't expect that.
I'm sure we've all seen the video clips from like Tik Tok or whatever where like
somebody will film a kid like trying to like do the thing and like talk to the whole class and
everyone's like, shut up. Sit down. You think you're the main character, but we're not picking up on
this. It's just main character energy. Right. People try to do that kind of thing in real life
and it's it's just very cringe. And I feel like it was cringe in the movie, but I liked it.
That is such an interesting thing to think about because I know what you mean because
they also make fun of it too. Like in not another teen movie where there's this whole bit about
doing the slow clap and this guy doesn't know when the appropriate time to do to do the slow clap is
and yeah, there's you know, and and there's also a character, not another teen movie that is like
the place ducky essentially from what is it, 16 candles or whatever.
And and even do the whole 10 things I hate about you with the genies got a gun. So yeah,
yeah. Yeah. So just, you know, I can understand that somebody who is like really over dramatic
feeling like that's the best, you know, that's always the go to for self expression is to make
such a spectacle of how they feel about something. And that can be very cringe for sure.
But I don't know. There is something where I guess also to, you know, it's just weirdly because of
you know, Jerry O'Connell being such a good looking guy, like he's not, you know, he's not,
he is the main character. So he's not putting on, you know, this fake main character energy.
He's doing that. But one thing I just quickly want to mention too is that maybe that I thought of
because of Aaron, your description of the Jerry O'Connell expressing himself through
movies because that's, you know, like helping him do that is that also added to
for me throughout the movie. I wasn't sure if Jerry O'Connell was not the killer. So I like really
up until like in it's such a, you know, kudos to the movie because to the very end, I was like,
it's probably fucking Jerry O'Connell. It's probably that fucking son of a bitch. Yeah.
He's, you know, cause he's just, he is kind of like got this a little bit because maybe I'm sorry,
Jerry. And you know, James, you said the car worked with him and he's a great guy, but like
he does kind of have like something underneath that makes you're like, Oh, maybe he's like,
he's like Gary, a bad guy. Those are my favorite actors. I love that when there's a little,
oh, there's something a little off too. Like he's almost smiling too much. Like he's almost
too happy or whatever. And yeah, like I said earlier, I think with the first movie, the
boyfriend being the killer, they played it really well where it is. That's a hard thing to, to
make you keep guessing the whole time. But then also right when you, right when I did start to
suspect when he gets, when he runs in after the kick after Ghostface and then gets stabbed
behind the closed door, you don't see it happen. And then they go to check on him and he was been
stabbed and he's got the arm cut and you're already thinking you're like, I didn't see that happen.
Like he could have fucking done that himself. Like he could have, you know,
especially on the way and what do they do? They immediately sit them down and question them and
fucking do we, this is where do we's there too. He's like, yeah, I'm a question. He's like, what
is do we doing here? But they question him. And I love that. I was like, Oh, I was thinking the
same thing. What the fuck? One, yeah, why would do we be in the room while the police are
questioning you? Two, but even beyond that, the thing that like bothered me about that scene,
like actually bothered me was like, do we immediately as soon as he is suspicious,
he like, let's do it. No, like I am suspicious. We'll be watching you. I do not trust you. And
I'm like, that's the last thing you want to do. If you're trying to line up. You better be extra
careful with what you do because I'm always going to be watching. I was like two strikes, man. That's
yeah. Three and you're out at this old ball game. That scene was not, not the best for the
companies. I was like, this is just kind of bad writing. I see what you mean there. But I am.
Why would you just like, I'm glad that it exists like them, them like already picking up the,
the, the whiff of him being a suspect because you as the viewer also are feeling that and for them
to at least call it out. That didn't go by the wayside. It was like, Oh, they're already addressing.
I felt really satisfied. I'm like, Oh, they're addressing it cool. So everybody in the movies
kind of onto it as well. But then it makes you even overthink too. And like, well, if everyone's
on it with him, there's no way that he's actually the killer. So you're always in even, yeah,
to the point where you got dropped down and you saw all the cuts over on the stuff. I'm like,
I don't know. Maybe he put himself up there. Right. And you know what? I oddly was not thinking
all the font barely at all throughout it. And then it comes out of nowhere. And I'm like,
fuck, you're right. It's totally all that. That voice is like, fuck with this video camera.
But I don't know. Yeah, I could have laid the, laid the line a little bit more on that one. But
then also how do you do that without being so obvious? But I don't know. I'm overall satisfied.
I think the reveal in the final portion of it left a little bit to be desired, I think, but
that's, I don't know, maybe more of a personal radicalization of all of them was interesting.
Agreed. It was a lot. It was a lot of excursions. I like coming out like very, very quickly of like,
this is why all the fun did it. This is what I, you know, all of the, you know, just really like
bang, bang, bang, bang. Let me tell you about, you know, the last, you know, year or so and how
and longer than that, essentially, because my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong, but
the mother of the killer in one, that Loomis, so she's just, so she's just always been crazy.
And that's what drove her son to be crazy. And then she reminded what happened with
with Nev's mom and why Loomis killed her. Yeah, I can feel that. Gotcha. Yeah, I got that too.
So what happened is Nev's mom was like to put it lightly, she was a homewrecker. She definitely was
having a lot of affairs, having multiple affairs. So that's part of why like,
Nev like doesn't want to confront a lot of what's going on around her mom's death because
it's definitely dicey circumstances because her mom's kind of that fault. We know that
it. Yeah, and Billy even brings up in the first movie that like, you know, hey, my mom left,
you should just get over it. And she's like, my mom died, it was murdered. Your mom just
ran like left, like ran off. But what happened was, it was Nev's mom was having an affair with
Billy Loomis's dad, right? Okay, that's what I thought. That's what caused Billy Loomis's mom to
leave and run away. Gotcha. And that's why Billy wanted to kill and implicate Nev and Nev's dad
because he was like upset that his that his mom, that's why he killed Nev's mom. So
got you. It was Billy Loomis that killed Nev Campbell's mom before the events of the first
movie. And then he started the whole thing because he had been set on this path and they blamed
leave for that. Yes, because because to his point, I'm going to bear with with her at the time she
was murdered by Billy. She was no longer having an affair with Billy's dad. She was now having an
affair with Cotton Weary, played by Lee Schreiber. And so that's why that's how he got involved.
And then Lee Schreiber was convicted of her murder. Yeah, but he was like, no, no, all I did was
have an affair with her. I didn't kill her. You know, it's so funny. James is leave in the third one
ends up becoming a like kind of like a crossfire TV show host. And the name of his show
is called 100 percent cotton. 100 percent. What cotton cotton? Oh, wow. That does not roll off the tongue.
It's like it's like a no holds barred like it should be cotton on. And then they just pick the
topic of the day. Right. Sure. Cotton on this. I don't know. That's a good that's way better. Thanks.
There's something with his voice that I don't know what character from The Simpsons, but it
sounds like it was some like background character from The Simpsons or something. He just has a
very low voice and is very like an annunciates really well and almost seems like he would be good for
broadcast news. Right. Oh, for sure. And he but he's also got this kind of like.
How do you say it like neuroticism to him, too, which I haven't really seen in leave because
I'm more familiar with leave as like more older man leaves. Yeah. Yeah. And he's so just like a
stone pillar, you know, like so. It looks like he could be 52 on this. He could be 28. But he's
but you know what? Kudos to him. He's kind of just kept that look for such a long time.
Yeah. So I don't know this. I really I just call out I'm making that I really enjoyed is how
how much lighter leave seemed, you know, in this because I just never experienced that with him
before this. The performances really hinges on some of these performances, how the movie plays.
Your suspicion relies on how they perform these lines. And it is I think it is overall well,
well constructed script, even though it had to make a lot of changes in the end.
And that whole the idea of it is there and everything. But I think leave does just such a
good job of of conveying a sense of unease to the people around him and like kind of his
doll's eyes like a shark's eyes like dolls eyes. Yeah, he like doesn't blink and it's I don't know.
He just in the stature. He seems very like stiff, but his voice is smooth and charismatic.
But then it's something's kind of off. Oh, smooth. He's like he's like a coiled spring.
Like when he's when he's Ray Donovan or saber tooth, he's like this language relaxed, like
in control calm guy who's just got this violence right beneath the surface that could just that
just a rough so hard and fast. Yeah, like he is. Yeah, because he cuts a tall figure to like he's
a pretty imposing guy. It's a good choice for cotton because you can like feel that like violence
beneath the surface on this guy. Yeah, not be the bad guy and you're like, Ah, OK.
And they brought him away and his motivation is interesting to where he is vain. Like he wants
like his 15 minutes of fame. It's weird. Such an interesting motivation for another character
who's the thing they want out of this is like he wants his due because he spent a year in prison
for for another crime he didn't commit. And he like is like so what I can get out of this is I can
and now I can actually make my money, get my fame, get my 15 minutes. Can you say the
weird story, but it'll make a hell of a movie someday. Is it weird? But I in my notes, I put
like a year in jail isn't it seems short for how much for what he did.
No, just but like how much animosity and like how much drive to change the narrative
of about how the public feels about him and the stand he's it's been one. OK, I just
there are some weird like there are some jail for a year I would I would probably beg to differ.
Guys, if I was in jail for a year, I'd be like, it was a long fucking time.
I have a month deployment on a carrier, which is a lot like being in jail.
Because it's the same. It's the same every day. You you just eat the food in the galley that they
serve you. You work out and you do whatever your your role is on the ship and you just repeat,
repeat, repeat. Trade cigarettes. It's very yeah, you're you trade cigarettes for for but sex. It's
very much. It's also your your E.P. It kind of rhymes in the cigarettes for but sex.
No, that's that's not how it is in the Navy. I'm kidding. The but sex and the cigarettes are
separate economies. And inflation is one of them. You just you. You guess which one inflation is
affecting the artist. This movie. Great. We didn't talk about Jimmy Kennedy all before we start
getting into the end of this. Is there anything anything we want to say about that? My little
research of just like any anything people feel about this movie and articles online and everything.
It seems like there is a group of people that are sad that he that were really sad about him
him dying and wish that he like stuck around and he would have been an interesting addition in some
of these later movies. Even the one the five of them second to most recent one. There essentially
is a character that is him that is like very aware of of all the movies, the stab movies. And by that
time that movie comes out, there's like multiple stab movies and she like can regale all the all
the details about it. And there's a scene in both this one and that one that I think is kind of the
roughest part for for me in some ways where Jamie Kennedy is like sitting down with is it with
do we I forget and he's just kind of like laying out like and this is what happens in sequels and
this is what you got to rule one and see almost like go search him out essentially like as a liaison
like a expert in the like we're actually in a movie rules of a movie character.
So that's where this these kind of movies lose me are just those scenes like when those scenes
happen they got to sit down at the table and lay out like you're in a movie right now and this is
what you got to do and they started laying out like oh like a like attributes and and
archetypes for everybody like oh well the geek should get the girl and that shit I was just like
like you just you're you're labeling yourself and then you're labeling like the archetypes like
and it's a clue movie or you know and I like the murder mystery aspect of these movies but
and the slasher and everything too but that stuff goes a little too close to home because it is that
habit it's cakey needed to where if that was done in a language that was more fun and campy or
or silly maybe but they treat it very seriously like the geek gets the girl and it's like people
are like intense music and it's like well I don't know it doesn't hit me as hard and it's like you
were shot like you you got shot with a bullet like in your arm in your chest in the last movie
this is not a laughing matter this is real shit I think this was not uh yeah we think you would not
treat this so flippantly yeah but I think him as an actor is fine and I do really I like to see
I like the sequel scene a lot where they're sitting in the classroom and you said that's Kevin
Williamson as the teacher is maybe I know I haven't been able to write um but I like the sequel
tuck because that's a conversation that you and I have had Brandon in the past you maybe even on
this podcast about like oh alien one or alien two oh terminator one or terminator two oh your big
James Cameron guy like I feel like we've we've had that same same discussion and and um those
movies were even more recent I love how it took them a while to get to empire strikes back being
a sequel that's better I was like that's the first one right like isn't that that's the go to
he's like oh it's a trilogy it's all one thing it doesn't count which I was like he made new hope
and he didn't know there's going to be more right he just thought it was going to be a single wing
I looked it up with the uh the teacher is actually uh Craig Shoemaker okay is the the film class teacher
Kevin Williamson is the person who's interviewing cotton weary in the first time he's getting
interviewed uh that's it Williamson interviewing him I knew he was in there and yeah that's yeah
yeah yeah I that's that's the kind of stuff that doesn't take me completely out of the movie that's
still a fun thing to to go back and forth on he's like yeah you walk suck and it's like yeah that's
that is something that everybody says about return on the side so so it's it's funny to see it just
just mimicked in that way um yeah and then I I don't know like the I just thought it was the
funniest thing that like the play that's because she's Neve Campbell wants to be an actor and the
play that they have her do is just the funniest thing like this we're gonna have her this person
who's like yeah they're her most carnal trauma that she's ever experienced that's been such so
popularized that there's a movie about it we're gonna put her in a play where she stands in the
middle and people just like Agamemnon or whatever it was yeah yeah it's like yeah who's not this
is gonna and they'll look at her like what's wrong with you like when she has a fucking panic attack
but doesn't she have like a like a hard to heart with the director though and the director's like
you know what if you're not okay with this and that's okay and you cannot do this which is like
okay yeah you're right like this never why did you responsible me as a teacher to do yeah but Neve
what are you yeah I don't know why are you going for that that was the uh that was the uh
like maybe do a softball before you just jump into the deep end with a fucking
dramatic play yeah I was trying to place that guy I think it's the Billy Zanes like number two
and uh Titanic the guy that's like locks jack up and stuff and guards them and yeah oh yeah
yeah puts the yeah puts the cuffs on Leo and
yeah and then like that I don't know I guess if we just like I'm just thinking about like the
ending in this movie either something about would you guys think about like it ending on a stage
and her like having to chop like ropes of things to like drop stuff on Loma Luma's mom and stuff
like what I don't know there's something about that was just like this is kind of
schlocky and silly and like not the best way I know a lot of this movie is fun in that way but like
when he's like just picturing him in the background like shining a light like the spotlight on
very purposeful spots for her and then dropping walls so she can't get past certain things it's
just like kind of silly and then she has to knock things down and then those things were like
they put stone sound effects on those blocks we need to very much tell their phone their phone
they put these like stone hard sound effects when it landed on her did the theater text like
have to have to haul in a truckload of blocks to build this set I don't think the stage can
support that much weight no they also had to redesign the whole set to have a support beam
that could handle that yeah there's something about those little hokey but and it all just took
place on that one one spot but all the fun's performance was good I like the lume is lomas
whatever hurt his mom was kind of like a friday the 13th sort of uh poll I feel like having like
the the mom very protective of the of the sun for sure and trying to take vengeance is essentially
the first friday the 13th um or psycho or first and second right uh or psych yeah well spoilers for
psych oh shut up not actually his mom oh right yes it's but I mean probably uh baits motel right
right yeah it's like the the idea of the yeah the effect that a vengeful yeah oh yeah totally yeah
same thing um yeah I don't know a little bit a little bit and then I reading about the script
coming out and then having to make changes makes a lot of sense as to why that didn't
read the best but overall I thought for a sequel to do this to do the same thing as the first one
and do it better and or different in a way they applied the framework for scream one to the
sequel meta commentary in a way that was successful overall and and I enjoyed a lot of those parts
of it but then yeah like brandy you put really well earlier where you know they end up falling
into the foibles of some other slatter horror movies where it gets a little um stereotypical
at the end the face off I was looking at some of my notes if before we go into reviews uh that
nick cave song was red red right hand so good yeah it's on the angelo trying to start this movie
too it's an every movie that was cool oh yeah oh yeah love it the angelo um I also thought it was
really psycho shower shot they got the they got that psycho shower shot speaking of psycho or
heather and then that's like the classic where it's the nozzle and it's it's facing like up
towards the nozzle like that's the the psycho shot that is very very famous and that was cool I thought
which did this yeah these movies take a big page out of psychos book and that one I don't know just
watching it again recently it's crazy just jane atlee just gets fucking merked halfway through
that movie and they have to completely change re-re-fix the structure of the story to to different
characters like it's such a such an amazing movie um people watching movie with a mask that crowd
was crazy I mean they that was dude I just made me so I don't know then it just made me so like
envious or jealous of the movie going experience in a particular like for a very long period of time
in human history because it just doesn't happen anymore um but to go to a midnight show like a
midnight or a late like a really like a friday friday night seven o'clock eight o'clock showing of a
you know of a movie that everybody has been anticipating because it's got all the hottest
stars and whatever yeah it just we kind of missed that we were all a little bit too young for that
I remember like the last one that I can recall was harry potter I was just thinking about harry
potter midnight showings were big deals oh yeah I was I was too young to have Lord of the Rings
at that scene like in the 90s of like big blockbuster releases having like events at theaters
yeah right where everybody's hooting and hollering my god that whole theater was just
rapturous and everybody just fucking you know shooting the shit really loud getting ready just
and then when the movie's going everybody's like in it being like you know just like so
reactionary to it it's just really god man it's how can you not look at that be like god I want
to be in that theater that looks like so much fun yeah it definitely changes the experience even
a movie you've seen a million times before I'm even thinking like when I saw goldfinger and
in theaters like just like other playing some bond movies in a small bond movies in a theater
near me and I saw it and it was just yeah the reactions and the laughter maybe it's a little
different like nowadays are laughing not with certain things but at at certain other things
but then the effects of of the movie are still hit home and I actually just almo draft house
what's how would be the funny parts of that well I'm trying to think of some of the pussy
galore stuff you know like yeah she like yeah she kind of makes the turn to like bed him even
though he's just been kind of an a-hole the whole time just sort of a sculpture in the stable the
stable that was that was a different thing where you can you can sense how uncomfortable and people
almost like like if there any is any laugh it's uncomfortable kind of just like yeah what is
that was another different time but then there's yeah just a different reading of it and then you
gain a new appreciation appreciation for it beginning of that funny like the because that
is the car eject stuff with all the like that warehouse he goes to in the beginning of the
movie too right like does the bomb and yeah it's the cars got a bunch of different gadgets but he
also can shoot you shoot somebody out of the well the golf I mean there's a whole fucking half I
don't know 50 minutes of it's not a half it feels like in the book I read the book as well
there's a fucking there's a lot of golf I'm just thinking maybe thinking of that but I love the
golf it's your honor it's your honor slash slash under seven or so I have a slosh in your shirt
I wore it to our the James bonding episode we went to so I have a fuck yeah it's like slosh slosh
under sir slash slash in your shirt but that reminded me I picked up tickets to Alamo draft
house is doing this thing called it's like a movie party I think they call it and they're playing the
mummy coming up here soon and I picked snacks and take it it specifically says like part of my
purchase of the ticket includes props that they're gonna give me and it's encouraged to like hoot
and holler and make noise and have fun and there's like special cocktails I'm like I love that movie
too I'm so excited it's gonna it's gonna be a lot of fun because I remember yeah as a as a wee boy
I saw that like on my birthday as like a nine-year-old I think I was and at Universal Studios uh and
I saw the props before I walked into the movie it's a is a magical movie that that whole the scarabs
are so scary yeah big time like shit now because of the CGI but man they were so scary yeah they
yeah there's some that's the iffy as part is when the scarabs yeah I'll eat that yeah but the idea
is still there anyways um yeah I've seen if there's any other uh the hieroglyphics in the bathroom was
interesting I don't know why but uh there's caller ID now the Freddy there's a Freddy
sweater and like the dorm in the background is like very much a Freddy Freddy Krueger sweater
I have a note here for me that there's a part Luke Wilson is in the stab movie I can't remember
who he's love that but man Billy Lomis he's my Billy Lomis okay he's given proto Timothy
Chalamet for me I just hit that performance was so just like kind of has this like surfer dude
California undertone to it but has this whole like oh man like really like trying to sell to the
you know to the rafters but like not only is it the most heightened but it's also the most like
sedated it's so crazy problematic soft boy really like going for a specific thing but
a muted thing yeah like so muted like on heroin level yeah it's just like yeah like just a
long load yeah that's when the movie like really works for me that I think that seems so funny
and the meta stuff just is hilarious then the whole idea of a stab movie in this I think just works
like that whole concept for them yeah and the the title itself I think there's so much stabbing
there's a Matthew Lillard cameo I think was yeah I made he's in like the background of the party
in the party in the party whoa I didn't know that oh my god this is so cool almost like out of focus
essentially just like really background yeah he's like he's a position in the first one he's so good
yeah such a good part of the movie it's watching that movie possibly his best role I think he's
thinking to myself I was like was there a point in time when Matthew Lillard would have been considered
hot yeah oh for sure absolutely in the 90s or like because he's like 100 percent total squeeze
and he's like really all over his his girlfriend and I'm just like and like it's like a stonery kind
of way not like in a sexy shaggy like an overly aggressive or like a midwest like a drunken
college frat boy you know quarterback guy he's like got this like a stoner california thing to him
where he wants to have sex but he's like and he is kind of aggressive about it but he's not like
she seems into it mean aggressive yeah yeah he definitely seems like a majority what he cares
about is having sex yeah right I think he's aged extremely well too like seeing I agree later
roles as have a moment and like descendants and like even looks great using the most recent
twin peaks and I thought he was he was like the return or whatever and yeah yeah I think I think
he's even possibly more attractive now oh my god he's aged like a fine line
yeah he really has and I yeah I'm somebody that has had a hard time with him his best looks aren't
hackers if anybody wants to keep a keep a crazy Matthew Lillard we should all be different Matthew
Lillard's for Halloween that would be fun okay so what would we be okay I might do you're gonna
do shang it I do ghostface well that's not that's cheating wait a minute oh wait that's cheating
I'm gonna be this mask how does that count oh I got Matthew Lillard yeah you're gonna be that guy
who's ghostface but walking around being like no I'm Matthew Lillard none of you guys get it
all these other ghostfaces are just another one there's but they're the lomases I'm Lillard
and then it's just in like a like a romantic movie and then it's just you know
Aaron on the couch he's got the mask off and then this chick sits down there's a move that she's like
are you Matthew Lillard and he's like you were the first person who noticed I'm Nev most people
say ghostface but yes I am Matthew Lillard there's this move that uh that he starts doing in the
first movie and he keeps doing it through the subsequent movies and like something about it is
so chilling like he gets blood all over the knife from yes I know exactly what you're talking about
and then he takes the the the glove and wipes the blood off wait this is not even so so Aaron
just revealed that he has a actually so he is demonstrating on a knife I just have a giant knife
in my lap I got it off I got up a while back and I got it off my uh like shadow box in my room
and oh it's like a prince of persia knife it is it's kind of like yeah it was a it was a souvenir
gift from somebody who went to Jordan and it's got this like a豎s head uh horse head like
short curved knife souvenir gift from what's our cemetery dagger from Jordan oh cool wow and yeah
I'm asking you guys this thing where yeah from the country uh and he puts his hand and he wipes it off
like that yes oh I got it from a friend in the coast guard okay you know what we watch again we
watch that scream five movie like the review it's just talking about yeah and he does the same thing
yeah it's a great move it's really killing and he's getting blood on his blood on his gloves but
it's almost it's that that's the thing about ghost face is like he's hiding his identity but he's not
trying to like not leave evidence he's no yeah totally right like no one yeah and I love that
yeah there's like trademarks that are trademarks in the movie but then also like it's in a different
layer where people have seen the stab movies and they like have taken it from the stab movie rather
than the screen movie ours and there's just a bunch of stuff like that and then yeah like the
Nick Cave song is in like all of them too it's interesting when this is just an interesting
franchise essentially and like all the trademarks of it are fascinating awesome by and large like
really again I cannot stress enough that I happily consumed in a short period of time
all three screen movies and then just watch the screen five with James and yeah screen five is
awful but like that there is some there is some okay we that's another there's definitely awful
things about it for sure but you're right some of the violence in it I thought was really like
to your point that you're just talking about was pretty like on brand for the like if anything that
was even though there are stereotypical things for the franchise that happened in that movie the
actual successful stuff in screen five for me was some of the violence because it's not a great
but it's there's some yeah just like what we've talked about with my always leaning towards I'm
a alien guy not an aliens guy I'm you know a terminator guy not a terminator two guy is that
there is just there is so much of like this is a big spectacle like it has these like adventure
and action elements to it that really in my mind are contradictory to the heart of one makes the
franchise what made it good in the first one and the first movie is always the best one to set
that pace is like alien the first movie is very very very scary aliens not as scary but a lot more
killing and shooting and like you know that kind of shit and then the same creditor creditor like
there's way more on-screen violence in predator two and they the effects are way better and the
environment is way more it's a city so if you can see what's going on more whereas but the first
movie is a better movie it's a better movie right because you're like this is terrifying it is it
understands suspense it is they're always good those are also two are really great examples of
like scope and and levels of production and investment to return on artistic quality where
all of those are much much smaller movies especially the difference between in my mind
Terminator and Terminator 2 is like crazy where like Terminator the first Terminator is like
couple city streets at night in LA and that's all we're really rocking with and then it's like
Terminator 2 is like all over LA we got helicopters we got you know all of this
explosions and shit and it's like crazy but then you know bad boys too fits all those
descriptions you're talking about but probably is bad because the most maximum
most maximum you could ask for it and that's exactly what you want from is just like oh there's
more of everything great yes I even though bad boys one is a better movie bad boys two is a great
example which is I think indicative of Michael Bay and his whole career on that movie is
and I mean I'm talking about like James Cameron and the same shit but like I don't know there was
it yeah I bad boys two is a really great movie but I do think I like the first one more but
nonetheless it's okay I understand I guess is what I would get at from our discussion last time
about it is I understand why people like aliens and Terminator 2 like I'm not saying that those are
bad movies and right you know at all like far from it realistically but you know when you're
talking about something like this where this movie scream to false prey to it like
I would say not so much on the other movies that we're talking about but this one in particular
falls a little bit more prey than those two the trappings of the the second movie the bigger
budget movie the more you know kind of yeah the sequel you know it falls it falls into the sequel
stuff where yeah it's it is really silly at times you know what is something I didn't bring up that
I had in my notes is that again seeing this for the first time that whole bit in scary movie where
shorty gets a dick in his ear that like fucks where that is insane first and foremost like
all of that scene is insane that she just gets repeatedly stabbed in the middle of a sold out
theater he gets a knife through a stalled door into his head is so great that's kind of in scary
movie too as she's like yeah someone's just getting in like stabbed in front of everybody and
they're just like wow she's a great actress so yeah I know I'm god now I'm starting to get into
my thoughts but so let's get into yeah one of my notes too is just like wow he's able to just
use a knife I mean you got a knife right there and you think you could stab straight through a
fucking wooden door like cheese or butter that was definitely when I saw that I was like this is
the first kill of the movie is he stabs through a stalled wall like it just seems odd but my uh
I speaking of having a knife like got a knife it's not that hard to stab someone who's pretty close
to you yeah oh for sure I did that at work because I told people about like the thought I had I was
like you know watching screen one and screen two comparing it to like later screen movies and other
more modern franchises it it feels it has this like loose like feeling of like a movie
that like some people like not like children but like college film students make a movie and then
the action doesn't feel really well I'm so glad you're not the same people you're doing it with
college students and there's that same feeling for a lot of the chase and fight scenes in screen one
and screen two it's very prominent in both movies where he's swinging wildly and not hitting anything
he's going to stab where you are and then he misses or hits the ground or hits the wall
and I was like at work I was like hey I'm just gonna like pop out and stab you a couple times
with this plastic spoon and like uh but you know you you try to try to open that's so fun you did
that I got it I got it in your mask I would pop out from behind a curtain or something I wouldn't
even go very far I would just be like I go what and I'd walk away and I just walk behind these
amazing stuff park at night and I walk behind a curtain and then I just wait two seconds and
I flip the curtain over and run up and stab my friend like I was like and I was like and he was
like yeah I had no idea you were you got behind the curtain instead of walking away I thought you
walked away and I'm like and yet yeah you didn't if you didn't dodge you didn't escape I'm it's pretty
easy to put a handheld object into somebody's center body mass it's just not that difficult
it's really hard for you to dodge or get out of the way if I just like and then you're just like
this is a kill this is good yeah I I like to I feel like his move is he grabs him like this it's
like the Drew Barrymore move uh-huh yeah I did that to a couple people where I would just like
come up and just get him and it's like but it's not hard he seemed but he's so bad at stabbing
it seems like he has to grab you hold you still and then it's for a podcast I promise and then
send it in and it's like you know stabbing is not that hard no it's a lot harder than it is right
I've read into I feel like I read into that too and I always like to I always like to look at into
like the body language of who's behind the mask and see if that means anything and I love the idea
that in a lot of these they are just fucking dumb kids that don't know what they're doing and they
just like have this like psychotic ambition that they want to enact but they are by no means like
professional martial artists they're not so the fact that they are clumsy and then like Sarah
Michelle Giller is able to like throw a plant at one point while she's running away and he's just
like oh fuck you see him get hit and he's kind of like oh shit he's like trying to get get after
it and it's like yeah that's like messy it's like I love that too oh like the the the Michael Myers
the the Jason that's supposed to subvert the unstoppable killer trope that they are clumsy
they are bad at what they're doing right because they're normal amateurs they're not like they want
to have to be so yeah for sure yeah that was my last note is that like he's really really bad at
stabbing in both movies all four killers are bad at stabbing it's not a stab I don't know I don't
know that's that knife he's gotta it's gotta have a name now it should just call be called the ghost
face knife but he always says the same knife right all of these so I wonder what that knife is and
then the gun will come out later sometimes um I guess Tori Spelling was mentioned in the first one
as like as a joke of like who's gonna play her in a movie and so they actually brought her in for
stab to to play uh Sydney Prescott and I end in that scene too when Luke Wilson is is talking to
the very end before it cuts he does I don't know what the line was but he just like goes stupid and
he smacks himself in the head it's the funniest funniest line it's like a kind of a like a three
stooge is uh oh man I I have one of my notes is I love a dumb ADR line yes uh that's gonna be our
profession scene Brandon we gotta get on I love a dumb ADR line and one that I caught when they
were watching the movie in the beginning is there um I can't remember if it's Omar Epps or if it's
Jada Pinkett because both of them like I feel like weirdly in the middle of the movie like one goes to
the bathroom the other one goes to get popcorn or whatever and I so I can't remember which one but
like as one of them are coming out of the theater this theater is so just rapturous in this movie
there are grown ass people just having like kind of stab wars like and now it doesn't seem so weird
because Aaron just described how he at work set up a bunch of scenarios in which he could stab his
uh co-worker so you know maybe not as crazy as I thought it was but like I thought at the time like
man it would be like if you know either one of us went to a movie and then like kind of during the
middle of it when we're like oh I kind of have to pee do you have to pee oh yeah you gotta pee and
then we kind of like kind of prance out of the the theater and then just like get into character
about what's happening in that I just thought was insane but a dumb ADR line is somebody just
yeah they're obviously not on screen at all just goes haha gonna stab you man yeah I remember that
and it's like the most broken I'm gonna get you first I'm gonna stab you man
man love a dumb ADR line and you like great and Omar like hides in the employee
thing and like opens the door right on I don't know that's silly the uh Courtney Cox says the line
like oh like she's smoking a cigarette someone's like oh I didn't know you smoke now or something
and it's like oh yeah I saw her get she got caught in the papers for smoking and then she says
that was my face put on Jennifer Aniston's body it is yeah I remember that I thought that was a
funny little friend friends thing that she probably I was like is that her idea to say that line
and then um one silly one is that what people were saying about them is like god I wish I had a
Courtney Cox head on a Jennifer Aniston's body. There was a scandal around that time in between
the first and second movie Courtney Cox had supposed nudes leaked to the public but they were
fake. Oh weird. It was her head on someone else's body. Oh at that time. Brandon's body was just
someone else's it was just a so she probably was just been cheeky towards her body. It kind of
makes me try to remember how people would even do that back then. It just yeah it would look very bad.
It would look awful. It would sniff like you see the tape and everything. Like the necks don't match.
Yeah. I don't think Photoshop existed back then. They just oh that's true. I guess it wasn't as
widely practiced as it is today but it was interesting. I mean yeah I guess at this time
I was no deep fakes yet. I looked up the knife though. The knife probably the iconic knife is a
buck 120 so the the only not much that's good. It makes that makes buck knives. Oh no it's not
buck knife. It's a brand name and they're they're called that knife models called the 120 and that's
the one that they use for Ghostface Killers Knife. All the props are modeled after that one and they
discontinued the the knife before the first screen movie came out because hunters complained that the
knife was excessively long. So now fans of the series can't buy a real buck 120 because you just
can't win with those hunters can you. You have to buy a one 19 a buck one 19 is the same knife
instead of being this long. It's like so fans of the series have to buy the one 19 because
unless you've got like thousands of dollars to drop on a rare buck 120 that is the discontinued
knife and most of the ones that are around have aluminum or wooden handles. They don't have that
black rubber handle that Ghostface uses. Sure. Those are really really hard to find. That was why
he was having a hard time stabbing people. We needed that one 19. Yeah. Got to get him that one
that's so funny that you bring it up in that way because I was just looking at something from a
problem in a movie that was really like I found to be incredibly expensive if I were to get that
particular model of it. And it was the lighter in the movie license to kill. It's a genuine
Felix lighter is how they describe it. And there's this weird moment in the movie where they turn
where James turns it on and it like blow torches out of it. Why would anybody want that as like
their lighter. And it was so bizarre. And it like let me get that way. And it's the villain. And then
then you just blow his face up. There's just there's so many things working for that lighter to
where I was like fuck if I could get this lighter I would buy it in a heartbeat. And then I realized
I'm like this if I wanted this would be like six to eight hundred bucks to get this lighter
because it was this particular model of lighter. And it but it's just so crazy in the movie that
it's like engraved in a weird way. It's they have a line about it's a genuine. It's the Felix
lighter who Felix lighter is a character that's been in almost all the bonds. And then like then
they also pay attention to the fact that it like isn't even practical. It like shoots almost like
a fireball out of it. Like who would use that as a like a to light a cigar or a cigarette.
Especially with the license to kill. So yeah it's getting into let me just say hitting into
prop movies. I get it. There are just some things you see on screen. You're like man wouldn't that
be cool to own. Oh yeah that's like a lot of I don't think of like Blade Runner 2049 and all
the little gadgets and cool looking. I just want to like press some of those knobs on like when I
see a cool panel or something in like sci-fi movies. I mean I don't know if I want to own it but I
just want to press all those buttons. Oh God can you imagine the the tactility of some of those
buttons that were just like you push that lever and feel it when you kind of push it back a little
bit. Does it and is it a press and then springs fully back or does it pop into a into a half
into a half chode. Do you have to like open a little like cover to press the button. That's
not just like open it and then you like flip a switch and then you can press the button.
There's a moment where Courtney Cox calls David Arquette a bonehead and what does he call her
back. A phone head because she's on her phone all the time. Wow. I can't believe they put that in
and he was just and he said it in the most dewy way. Well you're a phone head and he looked
ashamed that he had to say that line. Which was a Jamie Kenny this is like showgirls was like his
like his favorite scary movie on the phone call. That was you know they're having fun there because
he's the movie buff and then those beatbox boys. Oh yeah they like come by and like make noise while
he's getting killed. The beatbox and it's like oh perfect timing now it's too loud to hear him die.
That's right. He gets because who gets like sucked into the van by go Jamie. Yeah Jamie
Kenny and then the yeah right. Courtney Cox says because that shows that like our returning
characters are final four from the previous movie that came back like they're not untouchable and
then we're led to believe that Gail and Dewey dies throughout the course of the movie but they
yeah Dewey. I like that. I like that. I like that they kill people off. They could use do that
learn a little thing from Fast and the Furious and start actually you know you know you know
you gotta let me actually leave them dead a little bit. Let me just say though in the third movie
Jamie Kennedy does come back in the way that of that's why I was so stoked about her sister in
the fifth movie that James we watched last night is that in the third one her Jamie Kennedy sister
in the movie brings a video tape of Jamie Kennedy being like if I die then yeah then you're in a
treequel and it's this really cringy moment where he from the grave like records this whole bit
about like okay so if you're watching this I died okay that means you're in a three here's the rules
of a threequel and then he goes through it on video from the grave. That's those are the scenes I
think that I have a hard time yeah getting passed and yeah really just like okay well let's do let's
break it down I'm like no please don't. Courtney Cox pronounced the template template I don't know
just had to mention it. The part where the footage goes live where it's like fucking space balls
doesn't make any sense right where they're watching the footage they realize the footage is like
the the killer's footage you know like David Arquette and Courtney Cox are watching it and
they're slowly coming to realize that it's like oh it's the footage of watching Jamie Kennedy
while he was on the phone and it's like the footage of watching people before they die
and then they see footage of them live I didn't understand how that happened because it was a
tape it wasn't a fucking live feed and then they go up there and then the cameras are out there I
guess it just like switched to a live feed for just one second but it made it seem like it was the
tape. In mid roll he just like he switches it over to like the other to the live feed and you're
like you know how they could back that in 2000s. Dude no it was a space balls moment it was so
fun I just wanted to Rick Moranis just like look at the camera at the same time. Yeah a lot of
rotating around pillars in that final scene where it was just like oh oh rotate this way oh oh
oh I got the gun over here oh now I got the knife oh oh oh and they're all just going constantly
around the pillars. I mean that's really interesting for you to point out after just watching
Advoids 2 where there's a lot of rotating as well. A lot of rotating? A lot of rotating do you
remember the rotating in that movie? Which part? Where where they rotate the camera around the wall.
Oh yes yes yes yes that was a lot of camera rotation but just like the blocking of the
of that part was them just like moving to one side of the pillar to the other and then just
being like oh oh now I'm on this I'm on this side and then they were trying to then Sydney's gonna
like gonna try to get away and then just move to the other side of the pillar and they're like
no now I got the gun over here oh no and then just for like the next 20 minutes it was just that
it'll make a hell of a movie yes my motive it isn't as 90s that was one of the lines
for what was it was it Timothy Oliphant maybe he was like oh yeah I'm the modern killer because
yeah I'm in his whole reasoning was uh was uh I thought pretty interesting and again yeah like
that usually is one of the more interesting sides of the the movie that I almost wish they would
drive home a bit more in this one and even this in like screen five when I think of that.
Let's move on to some reviews I feel like we're going going a bit yeah we're going long
can I take a take a quick break yeah let's take a bathroom break and then we'll do some reviews
and give some final scores and we'll be out of here be right back. Welcome back everybody we're
moving on to some critic reviews positive section of the reviews for the critics
they found this movie favorable at a certified fresh 82 um let's check out some snippets first from
Lisa Schwartzbaum a 91 from entertainment weekly this funny gory stabathon is as sophisticated
about the mechanics of part two's as the original was savvy about horror flicks
from Variety David Rooney gave an 80 visceral witty and appropriately redundant the sequel
has a winning commercial recipe that's certain to cook up excellent returns in all areas
so let's do real views with James Brardinelli 75 paradoxically there is a lot less gore there is
blood of course but nothing excessive by slasher movie standards and there are no depictions of
spilled entrails Craven has remembered that scares are more important than graphic displays of human
insides and bodily fluids yeah absolutely oh my god i mean west craven did last house on the left
right the original and the remake did he did the yeah he did the original right i think so yeah yeah
i'm pretty sure you're a movie yeah i mean i know we didn't really talk about him as a director and
we don't need to be labor the point about how west craven is important to horror movies and the fact
that he is responsible for one of the most successful horror franchises uh you know just really yeah
solidifies him as just understanding the genre really really well and what matters in these movies
and yeah this yeah absolutely yeah i was doing you know what i'm gonna stop it right there i was
in the nightmare on freddy's uh run watching some of those sequels yeah not not all great but there's
some good stuff and and all of them i think and the formula is uh is inherent as as much as is a
horror franchise a lot of them tend to just map that for formula onto each one um but these are
interesting in that they play with the the whole idea formula um i'll do one more critic review from
uh sf examiner 63 walter adesia adesio it's not as good as the original which was fresher fun
funnier and scarier but if it were then by the criteria of the film's resident movie scholar
it wouldn't be a genuine sequel so by its own uh admission it yeah it fills its own
prerogative i guess is what he's saying um we'll do a couple negative audience
has had a mission and had completed its mission and it's satan it in its
it's set a thing it was gonna do and did it from motion paintings gives it a two i think
that sequels are never particularly good especially not in horror this film confirms my attitude again
yeah from i'm the noob gives it a three scream two recycles a bit too much from the original
while lacking what the original so good the story is atrocious and the multiple rewrites
that went on during production did nothing but hurt the movie overall the plot made zero sense
the twist involving the killers felt totally out of left field it was bad and it goes to show that
sometimes you just can't capture the lightning in a bottle a second time around yeah do a couple
more i feel like yeah this is this is who i am on other movies it's like still looking in a mirror
right now but being the one that's the steering back at that reflection and you're like ah but
there's so much good in this movie yeah and this one they didn't this one didn't have like a much
larger budget and a much bigger cast necessarily this one was just like i really feel like they
function as part one and part two having come out a year apart all of it and and so to point it to
paint it as a like an actual sequel is i think it's not quite the correct brush to to hit this movie with
yeah well said um i'll do another one from eric l gibson uh gives it a one star title just boring
and predictable uh in quotes he does he's doing a little and a few words he's doing he's doing it
yep done uh he's he's about to do a little uh role playing as the writers of scream here
so here we go guys i know how we'll appear to a younger audience we'll make the dialogue so
utterly drowned in sarcasm and metalogs that'll feel like watching a writer's room brain storm
session versus an actual movie they won't even notice the same recycled plot devices getting
marched on screen practically frame by frame uh the nerd you know what all the sensitive boyfriend
that you know is probably the killer etc oh wait what is this this is a this is a scream 2022 review
that i'm reading here i'm so sorry guys because right at the end here it's just yeah okay i'm
sorry they got but they put it in the scream two section these stinkers okay i'm gonna i'm gonna cut
myself off there um i'll go to pets and care one star out of out of five title don't waste your money
scream two through four were terrible i can get through them don't waste your money
from eva grimaldi one star out of five there's no placing you
then there's no placing you why did you watch the first one and then watch the second one and
ate both of them it's not for me not for me that's my thing i that's what i do i'm i'm a masochist
um eva grimaldi one star out of five titled why why did mask make person evil sad cry face yes
and it's such an enlightened perspective people saying it's dumb and predictable
uh someone saying i want to cancel this movie uh from s manfield says one star out of five more
the same but more stupid and the acting seems worse yeah uh someone says it it we consider this as
a comedy time movie acting stupid yeah this one says uh movie stupid it we consider this as a comedy
time movie we can watch it once kind of dragging and too many cast too many cast too many cast that's
always the problem man don't go see oppenheimer then is all i gotta say you want it lean and mean
yes uh i'm gonna do you always say that yeah it is that's true and if you're gonna use a knife
you should wipe it down after it give it the old hand wipe and no if you touch is gonna get blood
on it but that's fine don't worry about that you're not trying to get away with murder or anything
you gotta do the uh mimoa from fast ten and just and just lick it off yeah just lick it off yeah
could you imagine and they like fold the mask mouth up a bit yeah um we'll do one more here we
should get this we should get the ghostface mask i would be in james we're texting about it wouldn't
that be fun erin to have i i was seeing on ebay they got the stoned one they also have the wassup
one that would be really fun yeah for halloween i got the tongue is that the wassup one i did i was
the wassup i did that one too one halloween it was fun fun good reaction people got a good reaction
now they're like oh yeah it's it's it's it's good i think ghostface is iconic he's i don't yeah i think
the whole series does well to build up who ghostface can be and he does enough scary stuff that he's
just yeah i don't he's a great uh he's in the pantheon of slasher men and men and women i don't
the slasher people but he's just he's a dude in a mask and again he's like clumsy and fucks and
he's multiple or multiple people and i just love that idea yeah it's not like a fucking and he's
opportunistic like he'll kill people with a garage door or with uh you know whatever whatever's at hand
to that garage door fuck man that was oh yeah is that rose mcgallon's death in the first one
is that rose mcgallon that rose mcgallon in the first one she isn't the first one but is that her
death in that one maybe then it's the friend yeah it's matthew lila's girlfriend it is rose mcgallon
win i didn't realize that because we were we were talking about it her earlier in this discussion
she's the she plays one of the best like straight like versions of the like bitchy best friend
she is so wow man she she's so good in that she creates the archetype in my mind when i saw the
first one and and then i was like wow she is so snarky and shitty in all of these little
passive aggressive ways in such a way that is so real oh oh yeah i'm gonna do one more audience
review and we'll we'll give our final thoughts from inspector gadget gives a one star um titled
mind numbingly awful sequel craven used to be known to make real horror movies sometimes they
were experimentation horror films but now he has fallen for hollywood's love of cheap scares and
loud loud loud soundtracks this film only has one musical cue and that isn't criminal that isn't
criminally loud noise but it's music stolen from han zimmer's broken aero soundtrack a soundtrack
i love this kind of made me annoyed at first and only time i saw this well over two years ago
the photography in this film is the worst i've ever seen almost everything that isn't the
immediate foreground is blurred and out of focus horror films offer so many opportunities for
creativity in all areas of film production but as this film is made to appeal to mass audiences
the style has to be simple even terrible there is nothing worthwhile about this film and nothing
to recommend the part that i hate the most seems to be what most people for some reason like the
best a class full of film students discusses if sequels are better than originals that's it
you see this is a sequel and they talk about sequels wow so what that's the irony and it's
not worth a penny i've never seen a more simple minded and superficial so-called horror film as
bad as this the fact that it thinks it's so cool just makes it worse the true horror of this film
is the horrifying ignorance to the audience watch urban legend instead if you want to
watch a campus who's the killer flick it's junk but it's better better than this the dvd is in
w 5.1 newsletter box at two three five one there's a couple things i want is this jimmy kenned
is this jimmy k campers who done it is that what you said campus who's done campus who is the
oh i love that campus who's the killer flick yeah campus who's the killer flick that is
is that like a trick yes that's a good one what's some other campus who the rules of attraction
i don't know it's been a while while since i've seen no no phantom of the mega plex thoughts
at a yeah sleep away camp yes sleep away camp just mentioned in that on this podcast will just give
you a just yeah a strong positive reaction it's a like if you want to just get us yeah just mentions
the boy camp in any capacity and that movie is uh yeah each and live bill here i oh we don't have
it on polarized but i have a you got the sound cue yeah not here um yeah if you i mean if you
are curious about that sound cue this uh the music he's talking about there is a mixture of
it's mostly the i forget the main guy who does the music but it's mostly his music and then they
brought in danie elfman to do one other piece and then they also use hawn zimmer's will recycle music
from the fucking movie broken arrow with john trevold uh and if you guys seen that movie i have
not seen that that movie uh but if you know dewey's theme like the guitar like do do do like his i
i can play it a little bit and share and share my screen if you do want to uh check it out theme
uh yeah i definitely wish presence oops let me get it get it going here uh but it's i don't i'm
not wonderful get like an energy of this is a simple ten just to share music sounds
it i that's how i get it and then it's funny just to see like it's the kind of introduction to
john trevold says character in broken arrow and it's supposed to be played like a lot more like
badass uh or he's just like a cool like nonchalant hero they're like oh wow how was he so cool in this
crazy action situation um look at her looking at him she loves him yeah dude that's something that
she's so attractive she can't be mimics and she's got i didn't look it up were they married already
at this point i don't know but the i'm not sure oh i love this they're together so good i love it oh
this music has like this is the music that i thought of is like the the discount twin peaks theme
oh it is very twin peak see angel about elementy it is very angelo battlementy or julie cruise
media right yeah um okay so that's that i know you guys can't hear working with the lamp
it's uh audio but we're gonna check out this uh broken arrow scene as well
any sign of deacons
maybe the son of a bitch is dead that guy's terrible thing to say he plays the villain in
basement turn you see the warden in uh shasha you but yeah i think he is
get him you were sure everything would go smoothly everything is going smoothly i assure you
our merchandise is not where it's supposed to be it's right down there mr pritchard
everything's on schedule nailed it uh yep so i saw some and i yeah hon zimmer is uh
doing so much at the time that he can just put one song in in two movies pretty pretty cool
let's move on to final thoughts erin do you want to kick us off or what would you prefer
for second last i think we covered pretty much everything on this one i think final thoughts is
it's a sequel that works and yeah and a score as well it work it feels like a like a part
one a part two to screams part part one and i think wild meta commentary is something that we
kind of sniff at these days and and see as played out i don't think that was so much the case back
when the movie came out and it was uh it had some interesting stuff to say it got some uh it brings
up technology it brings up kind of pursuit of fame or exploitation of you know intense situations
so there's there's a lot going on here and i definitely think that the pair of movies together
are worth the watch and anyone who hasn't seen them both uh should have watched them so that we
didn't spoil them for you but you should still go back and watch them because they're they're worth
your time uh and they're definitely products of their time it's like going back and watching
the simpsons being like well family guy did it better it's like yeah but the family guy only
did it because they got the idea from the thing that came before like it's it's kind of affected
every horror movie that came after i think that's about it yeah um if you were to score it from zero
to 100 what would you give it uh that is a tough one because i'm i'm inclined to just like go high
and just say yeah give it give it a nice do you want the scores again for what this movie is
if that helps at all let me take a look at it it's 82 it's 82 critic 58 audience right i think i'm
i was gonna side with the critics and i was gonna say like an 84 cool i think i'd give it a nice
a nice uh like solid score where i'm like this is not the best film i've ever seen but like it's
definitely worth your time yeah absolutely go for it brand new no no james denny james ask go for it
okay uh i i love having you on the podcast saryn just got to say because yeah you're just very
eloquent with your words and and appreciate your your commentary and and uh you bring up points in
the very succinct way of that uh kind of re furthers the discussion a lot so yeah thanks so
much for for joining the podcast absolutely man really truly yeah big time you're yeah great great
conversational list if uh uh and i am have a podcast and i don't don't even know how to talk
sometimes um this movie surprised me with how uh much i yeah i enjoyed the meta qualities of of
the movie that was very much um lining out the uh ideas of and and thoughts of making a movie
um within the movie that i'm seeing and that is very difficult to make entertaining and not grind
my gears and they did it in a way where that only happened maybe once or twice so that's why it's
not going to get like a perfect score without being like the jamey kennedy scene where he kind of
lays out the rules of all that stuff but everything else i thought was very smart and biting uh satire
and commentary on uh pop culture and horror movies and how and our reaction towards them
um even if it is heavy handed that's kind of part of the fun of it you know even if the the crowd
going crazy at the beginning is seems a little too much i think that's part of the fun of it and it's
and it's kind of being a little melodramatic in ways that are fun sometimes like i said it has
cake and eats it eats it too uh where it takes itself a little too seriously but mostly it's
entertaining fun horror movie that happens to have this whole all these layers to it that are uh
yeah discussing our reaction to pop culture and and uh horrifying things that we hear about in
the news and how we use it to make entertainment out of it and make money and how even the people
that are close to nev cambell all their different reactions to something traumatic that she's
experienced and is a survivor of i think all to have an ensemble cast and have each one
have a motivation that within the framework of this movie in the world that it's set in
and it makes sense in his and his and his fun uh to see them pursue these things and have
a little bit of nuance uh kind of like i think of how complicated the leaf shrivers character is
even someone who is not fully fleshed out at the beginning gets his due at the end i think
timothy aliphon in his little speech i think wraps up the villains motivations in a satisfying
enough way even if the final acts in on the stage wasn't my favorite i liked him as a villain i
liked his motivations a lot as well um coupled with lumis's uh mother um the the first one is
definitely better and it hits all the notes in a more clean way but this one to be able to address
the difficulties of making a sequel while still being a sequel deserves its its paid due as like
being its own thing and and and being good at that um yeah i'm i'm feeling like uh 70s 80s um
i'll do an 81 i'll do an 81 um i'm i'm i'm feeling like this franchise is fun and as far as horror
movie franchises go these first in yeah i think these first two i haven't seen the third one
um or the fourth i've seen the fifth but uh this is an awesome fun cast of characters to to get into
some some mystery and who done it niss with and i uh yeah it kept me guessing and uh kept me entertained
yeah nice nice this is so incredibly exciting because i feel so similarly about this movie
as you two do hell yeah and it has just been so wonderful to talk about a movie that
does things that are really prominent now well it's like you know i think james you might have
brought it up where you know the idea of watching something with tropes before it's tired and realizing
how good a thing can be in when it was introduced when it was when it was original and it's not and
it it's so interesting to watch content thereafter not have the confidence to be original in itself
but to also pay homage but the best stuff does and i think this movie is that is it does well to pay
homage to the not just and what's so special about this movie is not just horror but also like
by and large like teen or popular media at the time and this i think too what works for me is how
smart the casting is how specific it is just like with what erin had mentioned about this being so
deliciously of the 90s is i i genuinely feel so strongly about this movie because not only
is it the first to do things that now are so tired and so if you want to refresh yourself about and go
to like mecca if you will to where things you know where things originate from in order to like get
kind of like this spiritual fulfillment of like right things used to be this good you know but now
this has just been a photocopy of a photocopy and it's been taking a lot of the wrong messaging
along the way this is a great example of being at that center and having such a
smart take on it and it's well casted well acted by and large sure it has some really like
it had some pitfalls that it falls into but i it's so weird to be so forgiving
of some of those things at times when you want to be critical and you want to make sure that you
yourself feel like you understand how important or where what how effective this thing is and
i think there is enough here that its shortcomings are overcome i think it is a it is representative
of its time its place and truly entertaining at the end of the day and that's what really matters
is this is a super fucking fun and entertaining definitely and so i would say yeah for me
it's definitely in the 80s i'm gonna go i was at 80 but after hearing what you guys were saying
i'm at an 85 i'm at an 85 right here i feel great about this movie i would definitely recommend it
i'd watch it again in scream 2 like please go watch it it's fun it's yeah uh and that's
do the double feature definitely do it please yeah it works and it's still got like the most
recent one came out this year so like it's it's still it's still doing stuff it's in it's six
installment and what i've heard and i haven't seen that one but i've in my little scream 2 research
apparently that one takes a lot of notes from this from scream 2 because they essentially rebooted it
in the last one in a way and so this new one is kind of like the sequel to that one and she i believe
the main character is like going to new york to go to college and i believe there's some easter eggs
to scream to so i'm looking forward to watching that one and uh yeah i think i'm in i'm in on this
franchise and i'm going to fill it out um and it's cool to uh be horror movie buds uh and to
talk about something that's very much worth talking about and it's made to have these discussions
characters in the movies are having discussions that we're having and it's uh i think it just
makes it that much more fun and um brannon i brant well first again thank you erin for joining us
hope you enjoyed yourself yeah thanks for having me yeah just uh such salient points and and and
so and very well well stated and uh for our next movie brandini i was gonna go ahead and just uh
i'm pretty sure i know what it is it's another sequel it's a buddy cop situation it's a rush
shower do situation right oh yeah yeah it's gonna be okay hell yeah okay just wanted to make sure
i'm so excited for this movie um it is polarizing so not everyone loves it that's why we're talking
about it unfortunately not everyone loves this movie it is a 51 percent critic critically reviewed
uh movie on ron tomatoes is a 74 audience reviewed movie uh from 2001 um yeah chris rock jakey chan
please join us it's uh gonna be another buddy car summer sequel time it's that that's working
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