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We're talking bad boys to the score for this movie.
For all you numbies heads.
This is a 23% on the critic side.
Stinky.
And then 78% on the audience side.
Loving it.
Yeah.
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Bad boys too.
What else do I got to say?
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And it's not just me talking to that.
At just at any given time.
It's not just me.
There's not sometimes it's only me.
Sometimes there's, you know, our forever gas, my co-host, but no,
it's always going to be not just me.
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maximalist film, the maximum amount of time talking about said
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Hello.
Hey everyone. How's it going?
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Easy.
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I know I was here last week.
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I know I'm the forever gas, but we don't have to pay it or to be,
but okay.
Hello.
Thank you.
Yeah.
This is the one word of this is, this is a two piece.
The same as this movie.
I'm a semi bad boy on occasion.
And this is not the, yeah.
This is not the singular podcast brand.
This brand is other podcasts we talked about where you.
Yeah.
I'm just screaming into the void.
I'm excited for that one.
You're still working on that though, right?
I'm still working on it.
Yeah.
Right now it's just an audible screaming and yelling.
So, you know, I need to fix the levels and maybe I'll put it out.
Yeah.
I mean, that's, that's something where you're, it's hard to get in
touch with your inner, inner self to, to work on that because
it's a, you can't do it alone, but then to, to split yourself
apart into a, you know, wearing multiple hats.
I know that's, that's tough.
So good luck with that.
And thank you so much.
Yeah.
Screams back for now.
For now.
For now we'll just continue to be our semi, semi bad selves.
I don't know.
I, how do you, do you relate with this movie?
That's such an excellent question.
I'm so glad you're starting off with it.
Yeah.
Let's start there.
Let's really see bad boys too.
You're like, listen, this is what I might get me.
I, it just makes me want to be so bad.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Oh, it makes you want to be bad.
Yeah.
Cause I don't think I'm as bad as these bad boys all the time.
But man, does it make me want to be bad?
Aspirations.
Yes.
As the aspirational badness.
Yeah.
They really got to, they're like in, in step in this movie more.
Like, I mean, the first one is great for my memory as a
well.
I don't remember a lot of it to be, to be honest, but this one,
it just seems like they're just, they just like goes and they're
like together and their chemistry is electric.
We just got to say, say that off the gate.
But yeah, absolutely.
I, I makes me, yeah, it makes me want to be a little bad sometimes
too.
It's like, Hey, there's the man staring me in the face and maybe
I just want to do it my way.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Oh, but then my way.
All right.
Frank.
I think Frank would have liked this movie.
Yeah.
I think so.
Yeah.
Like, he's like, Hey, the scenery bed.
That's my friend.
Yeah.
That's your Frank.
It's nice.
It's good.
Hey, I go down to Miami and, you know, watch this new picture.
Yeah.
This, I'm so glad this franchise exists because I mean, first
and foremost, Will Smith in this,
you like this franchise?
I like this franchise.
Yeah.
This is a good franchise for me.
And I like this.
I like this will Smith a lot.
Yes.
I absolutely agree there.
Good.
I was, I was talking, I was, you know, this is kind of like
what screaming a little peek into what screaming into the
boy.
It's kind of like, but, but I was talking to myself about and
arguing with myself with, um, is this my favorite Will Smith
performance?
And I want to really say yes.
Cause it's the best he ever looks.
It's the funnest he ever is.
He's totally tuned in to what's going on.
Like this role is perfect for him.
I agree.
Absolutely perfect.
He works really well for a Michael Bay movie as well.
And you start to question like Mike, what's Michael Bay's
peak as well.
But that maybe is another discussion, but Will Smith,
he's on such a, he's on such a tear.
And I mean, I could argue if this is Michael Bay's best
movie too.
Sure.
He's on such a, such a tear at this time.
At this time, Will Smith, like, uh, I mean, I guess I'd have to
pull up, you know, what, what, where he's at his place and
everything, but I absolutely love men in black and his whole
sci-fi run and everything like that.
Um, and I guess independence day would be in the, in there
somewhere as well.
But this is something where I like how crass it is.
I like where he's a little unhinged.
And, uh, it's, it's, and for my Michael Bay a little bit from
that matter too, there's some fucked up shit.
The humor is a little, it's a little, you know, it's, it's a
little like morose and almost morbid, morbid, some, some of
the shit.
Um, and pretty fucked up.
Yeah.
But man, if the backbone of this movie and something that they,
I'm not sure if there's a scene that, I mean, I guess there's
some with like the, the drug, the, the gangster bosses and all
that stuff, but like there's really not many scenes without
them in this movie.
And that's such a, a winning part of it is just banking on
their chemistry, them two back at it.
Uh, you know, the boys are back in town.
They're the bad boys and they're back in town for sure.
And it's, you can, you can feel, yeah, you said maximum,
maximum list right off the bat too.
You can feel the energy where they're just throwing everything
at the wall and, uh, no one's saying no to all, all Michael
Bay or all Mikey.
Oh my Mikey.
Uh, yeah, my God, um, there isn't, there is so maximalist
almost doesn't even fall short a little bit because there are just
parts in this movie where I was like, holy shit.
There's a lot of parts.
How did you do that?
There's, because it's just a lot of this movie is action scene to
action scene to action scene to action scene.
And the way that Michael Bay, and I think we've talked about this
before, but like Michael Bay just briefly, you know, career wise,
like he came from directing music videos to directing movies.
He has a very unique style.
We've talked about Bayham, I believe before.
And this, this too, I can, I can really get on board with this
being his best is because this is where for better for worse,
he's on his bullshit.
But like, you know, that ends up being such a caricature.
I feel like after this, but this is like the pinnacle of like it.
He hasn't done this enough for it to be you to be fatigued on it,
but you can start to see like a little bit of the, this might,
I mean, hearing so much more for like, for show than substance,
you know, because the difference, because I rewatched bad boys
one, you know, in getting ready for this discussion.
And obviously it's an action movie for sure through and through.
And it's an amazing movie, but there's so much more relationship
stuff in that.
When you look at like what the runtime of bad boys one is
composed of, it's a lot of really funny them talking about stuff.
Shit, not necessarily them like going on a chase and blowing
shit up, whatever.
It's them talking about it.
So there's a lot, there's more meat on those bones than just like over
the top action every which way, just busting at the seams.
But I don't know.
It just like it can hit you and it was hit me like when you're
in the mood for that, it doesn't like, you don't necessarily want
the story to get bogged down, right?
Like you don't want to, you kind of just want a bunch of action shit.
You wanted to kind of rip and roar.
This is where the roads diverge, I think, for a lot of people,
why this movie is on this podcast, right?
Where like this is where arguably a lot of the critics would say he
is going too far.
No, you've gone, you've pushed it too far.
Mr. Bay, P you stinky stinky P you P I gotta go.
But if this is a lot of what you like from bad boys from my memory
and they do repeat some like fan service sort of things, but it's
so much more than that.
And it's so much of so there's so much in this in this movie to pinpoint
it would be my guess.
A lot of these reviews would point to too much.
Yeah, too much.
All flash no substance.
Yeah, for sure.
But again, yeah, I don't know.
Like another thing that, you know, could also be featured on
Screaming Into the Void is an argument I was having with myself
about whether or not this is one of the most rewatchable movies
we've done on this podcast.
And I was revisiting, you know, what we have done in the past.
And I mean, this movie is crazy rewatchable.
Like, sure, you don't necessarily have to stay for the whole thing
because you fucking get it.
Like anybody gets it right off the bat.
You're like, yeah, it's going to be about them busing a drug dealer.
Okay, you get it.
Moving on, you know, onto the onto the next, you know, onto the
next car chase or, you know, house exploding or whatever or
people having a massive gunfight.
And this this might be one of the most rewatchable movies.
Let me pause it to you.
The ones that were in contention for me as the most rewatchable
movies that we've done on this pond.
And those would be night at the Roxbury.
Yes.
Super Troopers.
And that's in that we Super Troopers.
I would, that would have been like an honorable mention for me,
but like what else it was.
I hit the Roxbury.
Maybe the holiday.
Oh, the holiday. Like really just like very, you know,
not necessarily like my favorite because like, I think fear and
loathing I've watched a lot and I do find it really rewatchable,
but that movie is like kind of long meandering in a lot of places
and like, sure, I like bits and pieces of it, but like, I don't
know when it comes to, if I were to consider most rewatchable as
like, if it was on, I would watch a fair amount of it.
Would I finish it?
Maybe not whatever, but like how much of this do I enjoy always
rewatching it? And yeah, then it was like, what else?
It was, it was another one.
There was, there was three, including bad boys.
Men in Tides is pretty great Ace Ventura when nature calls.
I mean, some of these comedies are what I think of.
Never say never.
I mean, that was a really special, right?
Special for some bond heads.
Yeah. And those would be it. You're right. Yeah.
So really it's like, it's like comedies by and large.
And then, you know, yeah.
And then this standing out as being both a comedy and an action
movie. But yeah, I don't know, man.
To the polarized collection.
Go on down to the polarized store and pick yourself up a copy of
Fear Loathing. We talk about just how much we love it the whole
time.
I know. Yeah.
I just mentioned, you were just like, oh my God, River this
part.
Right. Yeah. If you're looking, if that's the kind of day you're
having where you want to just hear people talk lovingly about a
thing, hey, let it, we're directing you to the, to the
episodes where that is the case.
And I think, I mean, for this one, I will, I will definitely
have criticisms and my fatigue on Michael Bay has had as much, I
don't know, has had almost more to do with me just changing my
taste in some movies, like as I've grown older and everything.
And some of it is just exhausting.
You know, like I watched, we, you and I, we watched ambulance
together and that is essentially, yeah, one long action movie.
And it is amazing for, you know, his, his willingness and
ability to do that. And I've heard some stories about that
movie of his gorilla, kind of filmmaking, so at this late in
his directing career and doing all these, you know, transformers
schlock.
He's like, you know, running around and getting certain shots
and just asking really quick on like police just on the streets
if he can shoot real quick.
And that's kind of stuff is admirable.
But man, the, the, the editing process of these movies is, is
rough.
I'm just strobe light.
Yeah, it's, it is, it's just rough sometimes, man.
Like I don't know how it's to put in.
It's good for like a daytime sort of thing.
Cause yeah, and you just let it play and kind of walk away for
a second and come back and you're talking about bad boys one
time and having some of that character stuff.
I can see where people would get off, like get off, get off
board for, for this one.
But the set pieces alone in this movie are breathtaking.
I know they're like amazing set piece after set piece, you know,
and you almost like don't even appreciate it for what it is
because it is so chopped up in the editing room and it is so
like stacked with other shit going on too, that it's, it's hard
to resonate some of the stuff he's thrown out there.
But his movies continue to be entertaining even though I haven't,
yeah, I've only seen the first transformers.
I don't know if I'm going to get on that train.
I know. Yeah. Same. Yeah. I just, that IP I don't really care
about. So there's no like that.
I don't like that.
I've looked at it for our podcast and it's like, no, they're all
kind of poopy, doopie, snoopy on the reading.
Not to say that dictates necessarily, obviously not.
If it's movies are going to keep going, but that franchise
is going to keep going and they're all like pretty back reviews
on all, like, I know, but they keep, yeah, I keep making them.
Yeah. Cause I mean, a quality of this movie for better or for
worse is it kind of feels like a, like you're getting so much
for your money. Yeah. You know what I mean?
I feel like he's looking at it like that too. He's just like,
no, I want them to walk out of the theater like, like, I got,
I got multiple car chases, multiple exploding houses.
Like I just, like we're on land, air, water.
We're filling up the Michael Bay bingo car.
And that's just the first, you know, cause yeah, I mean, to get in,
we did a Michael Bay movie on this podcast as well.
I mean, we talked about Armageddon and that's, you know, a lot,
probably a lot of people's favorites, but even that one's on
our podcast, a polarizing movie. I don't know if there's some people
that just don't, don't like, no, like, way more than Armageddon.
That's for sure. I'm sorry. Yeah. This is, if I had to choose
between the two, it's an easy decision for bad boys too. Cause Armageddon
is just so bogged down in the emotional stuff that Michael Bakes
sucks at. Yeah. It's like you want more of that, but then you see it
and then it's not done super well. I mean, the one that would be
possibly in contention, contention for me and I should watch
the rock again. I know a lot of, a lot of people like that.
And I know that I have seen it is, it is good, but I, I like pain
and gain quite a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like I mentioned
this on Armageddon episode where that movie is about a bunch of
fucking idiots and dumb dumb. And it's in like a locale
similar to this, which I also want to say him shooting in like
a beachside town really works with like his cinematography
stylings and like the saturation and everything and like the
sweat glistening and like, so, you know, how bright everything,
like it just works and like Miami or pain and gain, I think is in
Miami, right? Or Florida. I think so. Yeah. But maybe LA, but
like it's either, it's either if Florida. But the thing I like
about that is like, there's like idiots that think they're cool.
Right. And he's like directing and showing that kind of be like
realizing you understand that within the story. There is some
subtext in that movie and like he makes it like, oh, they think
they're all the heroes in their own story and they're like,
when they're really just dumb, dumb, some subtext goes over
his head, I think even, and then that's where it becomes fun
to laugh at it like in a campy sort of way. But yeah, there's
certain other things where it's just like, oh, he thinks this
is really cool right here and you're just kind of like, I didn't
know. Kind of that's where it rubs me the wrong way a little
bit. But the thing that supersedes that is again, Will Smith
and Martin Lawrence together. Martin Lawrence. Holy fuck.
Anything like you put them together. Yeah. And it's oh my god.
They're so fucking fun together. Yeah. It's like, oh my god, it's
fun all the time. It is all yeah, I love their relationship.
I love their dynamic. I love their dialogue because you can
tell that Martin Lawrence is being a guy who's written for
shows, starred in shows like he is facilitating the
conversations that they're having and Will Smith is so tuned
into Martin Lawrence because I'm sure they've been friends
for a really long time or whatever. And yeah, their
relationship offscreen shows up on screen in a way that's like
magnetic. Yeah, like, God, these guys have this fun kind of
complicated relationship because a thing that's like.
Starts to really get like almost to a fault. Make a point
of is how Martin Lawrence is like the the kind of the Danny
Glarker, like a hippie trying to guy. Oh, little bit.
You know, and that because like that's OK. So in the first
one, it's a little more of like he's like the realist is how
I would frame him in one. It's like he's a realist like he is
not wanting to just go in guns a blazing like he wants to,
you know, figure out how to do this and then Will Smith's
like, no, we need to just go in there because the guys right
there. Let's go get the fucking guy. And then, you know, that's
their dynamic. But in this, it's just like him and a lot of
just like doing the therapy stuff, which crops up with Joey
pants is like also on board with the therapy. I love him so much.
I love he's like, like, we just have a.
They're like perfect. Because a lot of and a lot of times he
in like in movies is the number two guy. I don't as I'm thinking
especially of the fugitive and what's the one of Wesley Snipes.
That's essentially the fugitive with the same cast, except
they're chasing Wesley Snipes and then wrongfully accused
that was, you know, he's always like the number two guy and
he's in Tommy Lee Jones. It's just like, yeah, I need this
and set a perimeter and he's just like, yeah, you got it. You got
it to see him as like the exasperated boss. And that's what
so funny is like all those nodes are filled for just for them to
have fun of like you guys, you know, here's, you know, like
the man is Joey pants, but he's just not even necessarily
he is mad, but he's more exasperated.
He's done with their bullshit. And for the way that like
massaging his ear lobes and being like after the they go into
his office and he's got like incense burning and shit. And
that's the through line for you for and for Martin Lawrence's
character too. And that's that's a fun comedic through line that
I think works pretty well as all the Woosa Woosa stuff. And
and it's, oh my God, it is like, see, seeing is there's
there's a tinge of, you know, a Boomer Michael Bay kind of
and his commentary on therapy and what he thinks of it and
and kind of being kind of pedantic and kind of looking down
on it on a little bit. It's a bit of a shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. But it's it's still a way you can like look at the
layers and they're very simple and kind of laugh at it and
however or enjoy the however way you want. But it's also yeah,
there's there's some stuff that I don't know that is very like
man boomer mentality like the woman, you know, the with with
big boobs that the that Martin Lawrence like goes into the
sheet with that's dead and commenting all that that's upsetting.
I'm glad you brought upsetting like I don't know we're kind of
jumping around right now, but there's just like no, there's
some like rose medics things that are played for laughs that
are like, ooh, like, yucky. That's where it reminds me like
boondock saints and shit like that, too, where there's just
like certain moments and movies like that that you you see that
that got it's an edge. It's that edge Lord like really shitty
mentality of like, you know, a naked chick is a naked chick, no
matter what like that ethos, right, is like just horned up
really. Yeah, non sensitive, non. Yeah, just it's it's shitty
that whole that was so unnerving to me that there was like
attention with the camera paid to him being under the sheet
with a dead body. Yeah, it was a woman that was naked. And
he's like the room smell like shit. And he's just like that
just the depravity of these characters disgusting. And, you
know, like he's saying like, oh, fuck you like but you guys
set this joke up for him to say fuck you and then there's a
close up on this dead woman's boot like fake like how long
and in this movie. But yeah, that's just like stuff like that
that has to be mentioned within the Michael Bay verse of how
he coordinates humor and things like that. And time. Yeah,
it's like a man. It's a manchild. Yeah, he has the
sensibilities of a manchild like to the point of the the
focusing on the corpse's tits being like it's that's what a
13 year old boy would would be like. Yeah, that's his
sensibility. Just commentating on people's physicality
regardless of age, you know, even the daughter and like
humor made of a child child being childhood obesity, you
know, like they're even making fun of that like saying like
enjoy though the perspective of the dad, the crime boss. I
was really into his like very rigid of like I think he's
like I think you're beautiful. This is and you shouldn't
want to be these models because they're the devil like you
should be this and then it's really fucking pissed at the
guy. The dead woman of those like it's why even just to set
that up for another character to be like, hey, that's wrong.
But it's like, I don't know. It just doesn't. Do you actually
think it's wrong? Right? Because you're you're spending the
time and attention to have that in like making a point of it.
Like do you even like? Yeah, right. It's like somebody with
a shitty sensibility being like pointing out like a moral
thing just to kind of like virtue signal like, see, I'm not
that bad. Like, you know, I can have fun with this or I can
kind of have you cake and eat it too because you have the
joke and you do have the community. It's played for laughs
and community. But then you have a character being like, hey,
hey, hey. But then there's even like even the thing of like
people falling out the back of the fucking van and then Joey
pants has to be like, hey, you got to you can't run over dead
fat people. Why do you have to see the fact Jesus?
Like come on, like, kick them all their day. Like their fucking
organs got harvested and shit. Yeah, it's just weird weird
like undertones of things like that. I'm glad we're at least
mentioning but if we can mention, yeah, like some of the
bigger set pieces and maybe and it's a long movie to go through
all the yeah, but some of the big set pieces like the the
KKK with our cross burning fucking Michael, Michael Shannon
with fucking Michael Shannon. Yeah, Michael Shannon love that.
You know what? Before we like fully get into it and I guess
this is getting into it because there it's a drug boss that
has, you know, fucking what's his face from black flag?
Oh, fuck, what's Henry Rawlins? Oh, Henry Rawlins. Oh, yeah.
Michael Shannon drug bust with a KKK. You know what? I thought
it was really interesting is that the directed by Michael
Bay in the background is a burning cross.
If you're going to pick if you're going to pick for your name
to be on something like what a buzz like it's very
evocative obviously because it's a burning cross, right? Because
it has so much baggage and connotation to it. But like it's
again, just to kind of segue into talk about the sensibilities
of Michael Bay is like he's like regardless if that's racist,
it looks cool the way I'm shooting it. So I'm going to put
my name when that happens is really, really insane. But yeah,
I do. I do think that the using it as lighting in the scene, you
know, is effective. I can talk about lighting in this movie for
ages because it's so crazy how many times you can tell and like
why don't we just do a flashlight right in Henry Rawlins
face? I mean, I guess they do have flashlights because it's also
the sensibility of like, well, these are beautiful people and
we need to make sure that we can see all of them like regardless
of what they're doing. So it looks like shit. There's some
glory shots, dude. Oh my God, like they're out like on the
having that barbecue and Martin Lawrence's place like Will Smith
is having a conversation with that undercover cop sister of
Martin Lawrence and it's just a gorgeous fucking lighting where
you can see that somebody is like blasting a light on a like a
metal like or whatever those like reflective things and it's
like, you know, you can see the light on the back of the
face of the guy's face so you can clearly see Will Smith, because
yes, of course, he's an he's a great looking dude. And it's
just it's but it again, it's that weird sensibility of like
I'm doing this more so because he's a beautiful person and not
considering whether or not it's actually looks good in the
like whether like you can overcome it looking kind of shitty
from the movie standpoint, because you can clearly see Will
Smith and it is like a sort of experience for you very much
where you're like kind of watching a movie the whole time
because it is so so put on for for show and then also yeah,
like the quick cuts and everything like you don't things
whatever part of the shot that might fuck up or something is
just quick move on to the next thing and then it's oh zoomed
into which slows down for the those glory shots of course and a
lot from like down low looking up at Will Smith doing some cool
fucking pose with usually like he does a lot of dual wielding
guns which looks pretty fucking badass when they pull off all
the robes and everything but just the speed of the edits and
then the and then when they do choose to slow down is is a
roller coaster ride and then already pretty you know disorienting
experience. But God, yeah, I find it so funny that ecstasy is
the drug in this movie. I thought so. It's like thinking like
KKK just having a plan rally or something.
And then it's rolling.
What the fuck?
It's speed obviously like why are but it to me it just like maybe
it's a it just seems like Michael Bay being like people have
done cocaine drug movies for ages. We got to do something cool
and different and young and ecstasy is that it is this new, you
know, especially in Miami is a place up. Yeah.
Maybe the club scene a huge club scene. Obviously. I mean God,
they have ultra which is one of the biggest music festivals
electronic music vessels. Yeah.
They show the one guy OD but yeah, it looks like they're just
eating them like candy.
I know. Could you imagine getting in that club because every and
then the how much they have to is like you see you see so sexy
ways where they're just like Peter Strowmire. Oh my God. Yes.
Peter Strowmire and it's just like fucking love.
Huge mountains of ecstasy.
And you're like none of these people know how this drug works.
You never need any of this.
Like you literally can have a like a gallon ziploc bag and you
could probably get away with the evening by and large for one
club at least. Yeah.
Like I don't fucking know.
Like sure people are going to the club and taking two pills in
a night or whatever like. Yeah.
Everybody in the club is getting your shit.
Like why do you know how much is I don't know.
I could see why they'd be upset about two bags when they make
the bus or just like oh we got two bags of ecstasy like who the
fuck. I mean like have you get them off the street.
You know all that stuff but it's like there's just so many
things that mean a lot more weight and money and and and
lives and and and addiction and everything.
It's just a different kind of different kind of different kind
of thing. But yeah.
Like the KKK rally and then there's like yeah we got our ecstasy.
We get weird.
It's just like a burning cross.
It's just a weird sort of image.
And then yeah like the one guy that could you imagine if they
were just like rolling and like still hating other minorities.
It's just like it seems like almost impossible.
Up on ecstasy just fucking rolling and just being like yeah we
still fucking hate those other people.
You'd be like no man.
Oh man I fucking love you.
You just roll up there like you know what we change our mind.
Everybody's cool.
It just oh god yeah I couldn't get over the ecstasy thing all
throughout the movie because it just it really to me seemed
like what is the flavor of the month rather than what actually
would actually make sense from like a drug dealing perspective.
You know obviously ecstasy is like a classified drug narcotic.
Like there are people peddling lots of it but it just weirdly
doesn't seem like this is how it would be like kind of yeah
transported and like how much and who would be doing it because
yeah it's just like people can be doing coke every single day.
I don't think anybody's maybe not anybody but very few people
are rolling like all the time for it to be one of those things
where you're like we need just like fucking pounds and pounds
of these pills for like I don't know like it just seemed like
they had enough pills for like months.
I guess you don't need a shipment for a while like I don't know
what else are you doing on top of this like the clubs must be
doing well like ecstasy is a front for your club because yeah
I don't know like it seems like you would do that on top of you
know cocaine or something cocaine for sure it would 100% be
cocaine like that's that's the one that's like yeah you can move
or there's some sort of undercurrent of like oh they've been cutting
the ecstasy pills with with this other shit because it's not
really good stuff and people are like overdosing because it's not
you know like and they're trying to take advantage of people or
something like like that could add some add some add some add some
teeth to it or something like that but now it's just it's just
sexy I mean it it's just really good ecstasy is what they kind of
say is like it's just like really powerful like because you're
set to I didn't I mean that that scene is it pays off and he
didn't die in OD or whatever I seem like he oh my god you know
what that scene made me just so we recently had talked about you
know fast 10 and how there's a scene with Han where he does the
drugs and then it just goes nowhere and I'm like and then I
watch this I'm like this is so fun to watch the payoff of like a
straight lace guy like accidentally ingest drugs that aren't
gonna kill him or anything but he's just like has to deal with
this trip or whatever yeah it was a blast like going over to
Joey pants place like him walking around you know him being
like oh I got my dick back and just being like pumped on that
shit was so funny that's great him like in the car too like
pulling up to Joey pants place he's like God what is this
oh yeah it is like supple leather oh my god it's supple
leather and then Will Smith reacting to all of Martin Lawrence's
shit on X he was so great because he just I don't know he
handled it oh shit oh shit and then he's just like sitting
next to the statue like showing his nipples and shit and
dripping and sweat and and Joey pants just like his his whole
deal is exasperated ignorant or just like tired like can't like
not attentive to what's going on around him just played for
laughs in a really in a way that worked within the
performances from a setup that you know maybe has been played
in a lot of different ways but I think that yeah again the
performances like that very much made it thinking of yeah like
Quailudes and Wolf of Wall Street or something like that
almost reminded me of that yeah it makes me think of like a
supple leather you know and then you like points and you like
tries to like bite you got to be normal or whatever
I love I just I love how naturally to and that and the
scene with him rolling is is an example of that it's like
Joey pants like is looking after him after that like when
they established that he's rolling they like take care of
him it isn't like a poison blow up yeah right like it isn't a
huge blow up it's like okay we're going to try to keep your
body cool and then send you on your way and then they never
talk about it again like it's just I love it like he's and
there's always that air about Joey pants with their with the
guys is that he is all like on the surface very frustrated
mad with him but he's like wants them to succeed and cares
about them as opposed to being just so doic and so like all
I care about is the results and they kind of skip the part where
like he's like hey man like you know CIA or whoever fucking
sister yeah or someone like yeah DEA is going to come in and
my they're up my ass about all this shit so you guys got
her like there isn't really that discussion until the end when
they have to do the raid on his place in in Cuba and all of
those other places like the Coast Guard and everyone is just
like we're here to help you and then like all the secret
service whatever it's like just like yeah we wanted to yeah
we're going to have just fucking rogue mission and when you
think there's going to be some sort of oversight and they're
just like yeah fuck these guys let's go get them and it's
such like a yeah fuck yeah America yeah fuck the Cubans man
and it just glorifies the police in a way to just unmix the
police like like how you know I mean put that emblazoned on
Will Smith's chest when he just looks like such a badass just
all the time you know police under it just he's got so many
badass outfits in this movie too that like oh are awesome
that only that only he can pull off too because there there are
some outfits where he is the type of guy where I look at the
clothes that he's wearing and I go he looks incredible in it I
in no way could ever wear like if I were to come out in like a
purple suit you'd be like you look like a blueberry or whatever
no I'm just I'm serious like I get it like it's just it's not
like they're just there's a level of cool in which very like
gregarious outfits will work well on certain people and like I
can like I don't I don't mind getting gregarious in certain
places but like yeah some of his outfits and like holy fuck
like these are so cool on him and it just is like it just he
is such a crazy built-in cool factor that really just makes
this movie so fun because you're like everything he's doing
is cool and you're like I want to be you I want to like you
know I just I love what you're doing and all of that and it's
great I like it yeah primetime will Smith and yeah and Martin
Lawrence has some jerseys got the Lonzo morning jersey which
was fun and Michael victory which like is the time I know
like before all that shit but Michael coming back a little
bit like I think there's enough time between the dog fighting
stuff like he's like an announcer or something on shit I have
no idea I just remember that time like having like when I would
play a little bit of Madden here and there and people but just
like oh man Michael Vicks just broken in that game because you
just fucking yeah he's on the cover to that you don't have to
pass you just run I mean that's essentially who he was on the
field as well but that's my knowledge that's my extent of
my knowledge of football.
Downhill for him from there but anyways.
Where so set pieces.
We got to talk about that car that's one of the best car
chases like in any movie ever like with all the fucking cars
just being thrown off that that trailer like that is one of
the coolest fucking things it's repeated with bodies later
because that was what he was feeling at that time for a set
piece but it works much better with cars and that that opening
scene is amazing and then one gets latched on to like a chain
as well and then it's like getting dragged and it looks like
better than the most recent fast 10 like we talked about that
movie there's yeah I don't know the cold open of that movie on
the you know we talked about how poopy kind of looks on the bridge
and everything even worse than what didn't fast five and this
movie just yeah like I my frustration with the editing
just lies with like I wanted to see that last a little bit
longer that shag that shot go a bit longer and when he does
he slows it down but regardless.
Yeah, when you think of it.
So the editing thing yeah it's really a point of contention
for something like this because there are so many shots that
are fucking way close on people for like a a scene like what is
happening there's so many moving parts in it but we are all
almost like not 80% of the time our POV is like in the car and
not just in the car but like up in somebody's shit like
right in their face and then it's editing between everybody's
like eyes and face and just like you know people saying cool
stuff and you know being like oh shit oh man whoa fuck go go go
but it's like yeah.
I need backup I need backup.
The sweeps that he does on cameras oh man so I loved it your
question I loved it I mean because it just like you might be
my favorite moment in the movie.
Because it lasts for a fucking long time to like it is like and
this and this and this and this and this.
Ramps up in a cool way yeah cars are flipping like 20 times yeah.
Blowing up running into each other blowing up falling off
bridges you know just oh yeah it's like multiple different
types of cars doing things like it's just absolutely incredible
and I think it would just like that scene goes down and like
almost movie history.
I agree.
Being like holy fuck I can't believe they did this and it looks
so cool that is the strength of Michael Bay like absolute prime
like prime Will Smith like just great car chase like that is
on my list as a favorite car chase is for sure.
Oh yeah for sure it almost seems like I'd like it would be in
a Nolan movie or something like that.
Yeah right concept of just like chucking cars and like
and sure yeah.
Just play it backwards.
Okay so from there what do we got.
Oh the Haitian thing.
Okay because I have some I have some words about this Haitian
like the like the shootout and the like the Haitian house or
whatever you know what I'm talking about.
Yes.
Okay so there's a camera.
Yeah let's talk about.
Straight up nauseous because it was moving so quickly.
So it just seemed like there's the camera is on it on the on a
track a circular track and then it's just to set people up who
haven't seen it in a while is like okay so bad guys on one
side of the of a wall.
Will Smith and Martin Lawrence on another side and then they're
shooting by and large between the wall in certain capacities
all pretty cool but then it gets to a point where it's like kind
of a bit of a standstill and then the camera is put on this
circular track that goes from one side of the wall to the other
side of the wall like sweeping around and it just wraps up at
times where I'm like oh I'm getting like really like I'm
getting nauseous it was so crazy to see this everywhere is
like I don't like this is making me kind of sick because it
just yeah I was spinning the camera around in a circle so
quickly.
There's a way of doing that shot yeah and concept is cooler
maybe then in practice and maybe this is like the the matrix
is still kind of feeling its its effects here.
No it wasn't necessarily like slow mo but it was almost like
a table low a little bit yeah maybe because because he's doing
that like dual wielding cool wielding one on one side yeah
both out like that and Martin Lawrence is kind of behind them
just like and that's that's a good line too isn't the trailer
just like oh you want to talk like you can't talk because
they're shooting at you and all that all that shit and then
like the whole time I'm like are they going to shoot through
the wall and then he does and I was like satisfying of like
him like figuring that out of like looking through the mirror
and like shooting through the holes I was like and then because
yeah cool you have that idea and then he gets the idea and
it's like oh yeah good I'm was worried that he wasn't going to
do that cool right there that is such a great thing to
articulate into of like a very satisfying thing a director in
a movie can do is that the main characters in a situation
and then in real time with you trying to figure out how you
would get out of it the character figures out how to get out
of it and when they succeed in it because obviously they're the
start of the movie so they're going to succeed in it like
it's just so fucking like rewarding and feel so good and
they're both kind of figure that out because he started the
other then he's kind of shooting through the holes first
he sees it and then the guy that puts his eyes through and
he caps him but then yeah there's that weird kind of dark humor
Martin Lawrence just like well let's ask this guy you know he's
fucking yeah it's just kind of like whoa this is this is dark
I mean it's it's it's somehow it like kind of works but it just
puts you in a place as a viewer where you're like not really
sure how Michael Bay feels about it he thinks it's funnier than
it actually is rather than like oh yeah maybe this is this is
like this guy's life where they just deal with deal and death
so much that this just become humorous to them which is kind
of fucked up but true to their character maybe too I don't know
as placement I guess I don't know yeah I like there's a part of
it that I guess like I feel like what it's doing is that it's
giving Martin Lawrence is coming off as being like such a like
pacifist in this movie and when he get and I think the movie is
trying to do this thing where when he gets riled up he
overcomes his pacifism and like gets really like aggressive
and heated about that which could feel cool like him having a
win essentially to not like be so bogged down by his pacifism
and just being like yeah you know what that guy's fucking
dead you know and like really being aggressive and
he's like trying to keep everyone alive and it went to shit
and he's like fuck like just yeah that's right that's what I'm
saying yeah and he's trying to like get this guy this last
change like my buddy's about to catch like blow your head off
like you know you see how well it worked out for everyone else
but you saying yeah like a dead person doesn't talk a live
person doesn't talk and then they find the camera and then
like they had there's that whole scene in the video store where
they throw the porno on the let's talk about that such like Michael
Bay humor that is so dumb that is like that that scene
a moment not no points off the score for me because it sucks
so hard that's because first off like ultimately the culmination
of this is this bit where they're having a sensitive moment as
partners and as friends together and then every and then the
movie is making is like making fun of that as like that's gay
like having like a really hard to heart with your body.
Oh yeah the latter half of that yeah that and that's that's so lame
both of those scenes are so forced the first one you know just
for forcing that a porno to be up on the screen was just such
like oh what if that happened let's find out let's pigeonhole
and find out exactly but then the transition from that scene
into the next one was like gives you a head spin because
there's so much uproar over the porno and then it quickly dies down
and there's no background noise and it goes just to them with
very quiet like dulcet like background noise all of a sudden
like oh I thought a bunch of people were upset then all of a sudden
they're just quiet and then you're list with rapt attention
listening to everyone in the background when the owner was
just getting super pissed about changing the channel like
what's going on so it just it betrayed the logic of that they
just set up seconds earlier and then also what is this room
what is this room?
Yeah, this room.
I just check out our soundproof room where you can practice
or check out our new video cameras but yeah this is some
supple leather on those couches and just like what is what is
this room for?
Just like a confessional booth in the back.
Yeah, I mean that seems just from the jump doesn't work for me
because of the fact that no store clerk is ever going to
just immediately be like I'm going to attach a camera you
bring in to all of the TVs in the store that will never happen.
It would never happen.
It changed to the porno he tried to turn it off and hit the
button on accident to put it on every single screen which is
just such a goof but it's so forced.
Yeah, it's way too forced and then the button on them you know
the two guys having a sensitive conversation being gay and
that's inappropriate is so fucking so yeah I'm glad you brought
that up because yeah that whole bed just it sucks so hard.
It's where Michael Bay is like dumb shitty sensibilities
really comes out where he's just like oh my god this is going
to be so funny we got we have to do this it's in the fucking
movie we have to do this and it just sucks so hard.
And what does Will Smith say?
We were like we don't have to fully digest it but yeah it's
like it's because it shows two gay men commentating on it and
being like that poor man is pouring out his heart to him and
then Will Smith is like take all this shit put it in the box
and throw it in the ocean and they're like oh that poor like
he's not listening and then it's just like oh so you have to yeah
it implies that you have to be homosexual you have to be gay
in order to have feelings is essentially and be able to talk
with another man about your feelings and about something going
in your life like you have to essentially like that's a
little bit of a man.
Essentially fuck therapy a lot.
Fuck therapy yeah fuck therapy you know what men do is they
put all their emotions in a box throw it in the ocean don't
ever tell me this shit and it's like so.
That's how you get to Will Smith and cool fucking badass Will
Smith.
Right and like I don't know I the problem is like if the movie
had a better sensibility or was smarter like you would rag on
Will Smith in that situation like he's the problem like Martin
Lawrence is just telling Will Smith his best friend an issue
he's having in his personal life.
Yeah like that's not unreasonable for a friend to like talk to
another friend about who especially they thought that they
were in you know private or whatever they were in a sound
booth I don't fuck again what is that room actually what's that
room about is that room in the video store watch this be so
mad I know fucking so weird that must have been a thing do you
remember any of those I feel like maybe there were those types
of rooms like at you know remember those stores that would
be a TV stores video store maybe yeah but I just I don't
understand it being enclosed in this it really want to show
off the audio fidelity of this video camera like right but
that's not what it was about yeah it was it was weirdly very
strangely set up the whole the whole it is sole purpose of
that room is for you to record yourself and like are you
going to send people that recording after they leave the
store like what's the deal? What is the goal there? Like
what do you get out of that you're like yeah okay and how
did you get a direct feed into that room did they hit a camera
button like inside there like because it was switched to the
that other camera there's that was broken well you switch to
a camera in that room why the dad came over to stop it why
does he not know how to work the system as well did he
accidentally switch it to that video like what what is
happening you're forcing this joke down our throat that's not
even funny yeah exactly yeah so probably the lowest part of
the movie is what we just discussed I would easily say
the worst part of the movie it's just like a big on like a yeah
you know pretty pretty good like a Will Smith mug yeah
yeah wow look at Will Smith he's such a bad he looks okay
what is oh just a bad bad hair day or some bad no he's just
an emotionally stunted like homophobic dude yeah uh oh
oops anyways just like how that seems sucks a life out of me
a little bit almost like their dynamic almost is kind of close
so when I think of like lethal weapon where like Mel Gibson
is kind of kind of hot shot sort of attractive like single
sort of dude that doesn't you know that is a little bit more
just destructive or doesn't have as much love and Danny Glover
is family man and a little sensitive more considerate yeah
has a wife that he loves and understands which is like yeah
I mean I remember Mel Gibson like giving him that much shit for
that I just remember it just just him trying to push him more
to like do more totally I mean maybe we're like there's a lot
of Danny Glover giving Mel Gibson they're giving but they're
both giving each other shit I'm sure I don't think there's ever
been a time in lethal weapon where Mel Gibson's like you're
being a homo for like right liking maybe I don't know liking
something that is like sensitive or you know emotional or
whatever I don't I don't remember that ever happening and
it's definitely what just happened in this movie is just
like you're like homo and very derogatory about it if you are
talking to your friend about your yeah essentially like his
sex life with his wife where he's having a hard time getting
out because he's just scared and guess who's fault that is
guess who's fault that is he's like this is directly and he's
like I don't want to fucking talk about it he's like you're the
one who shot me in the eyes which was that was kind of a funny
slo mo or just you see the bullet like it was such a cool
slow mo dude. It follows the bullet like all the way to the guy
it was like all of that slo mo which must have cost a shitload
of money all for an ass shot. That's gotta be funny to know
we're like we're spending so much for an ass shot.
Can we take a look at how many people were just like it's not
even a big deal and he's just making such a huge deal about it
and just being like I've been shot I'm dying I'm dying and
then everybody's like not even a big deal but yeah and they
have like and figure it out yeah it's like you shot he's like
what I mean I was shooting but they're back and forth with
I'm gonna take a bathroom break and let's take a break we'll be
right back. We are back. Yes. I was trying to think of like
you know besides conflict there's the conflict with
our main villain and then the only conflict really between them
has to do with the little you know love interest Gabrielle Union
is she in the first one it's been it's been a while.
No she's not she's not she plays she plays Martin Lawrence's
and sister will Smith's love interest and then you know that's
where it kind of tiff that happens near the beginning of the
third act with the last two big big fucking set pieces that
just keep this movie going another half hour to 45 minutes
but her involvement also is as you know a mole and someone
who's trying to infiltrate and essentially front as someone
who's taking care of their money laundering issues that they're
having the lead antagonist bad guy and yeah that that whole
involvement and keeping everything it seems like in house
with all like the small cast of characters it works fine I think
and I think she is just so great and like to include her within
how great all the chemistry is between Will Smith and Martin Lawrence
she's definitely included within that because there's scenes with
you know with with her and will Smith her and Martin Lawrence
and then all of them together that just works well within that
kind of awkward funny dynamic of that whole kind of thing that
could come off as like a little more contrived and kind of like
a trope of you know having you know the that's a lot of states
and everything too but yeah and her her standing on her own
and actually being involved and being able to you know tell them
to stand back while she's trying to get shit done they're
kind of mucking it up as well I think that adds a nice dynamic
to her that's not just those things I mentioned as far as being
you know love interest in brothers she's also a big part of
the story otherwise as well and yeah I mean and it's I just
think it's cool that she's with Dwayne Wade I think that's a
fun little fun little thing oh fun oh wow I don't know
for you know Miami and he just got inducted into the Hall of
Fame recently so congrats to him yeah yeah he's great great player
yeah and we're in the lawns and morning jersey and all that stuff
with her right there oh that's that's fun yeah anything anything
about that and you like the do you like the villain I like that actor
as well that you know and he drops like the other dude Peter
Stormair's buddies like body and a barrel right next to him that
scene was like pretty intense there's a good amount of like dark
like grizzly shit for in this Michael Bay movie which he's kind
of a master of PG 13 movies and like PG 13 action movies I feel
like he's really good at keeping keeping the action and a PG
13 rating and the things that he does choose to push it into
that our section is interesting you know obviously just you
know just having having a lot of you know topless women is
going to be one one thing but then also yeah just like body parts
just getting blown up you know like those guys that and it's
such a stupid they like oh what is this weird like toy that came
up to visit us and we're playing soccer oh what is this oh let's
play with it and they just blow some this is just some of that's
all this sort of setup stuff is just such a it's such a movie
movie where yeah again you know you're watching a movie with some
of this stuff because it's just you gotta throw a logic out of
the window a little bit and things move so fast that you
can't you can't resonate with with a lot but what did you what
did you think about yeah the whole the whole antagonist plot
and him and and the the drugs to in in caskets to Cuba and
whatnot yeah I thought it was really interesting the like so
a lot of the time spent with the main villain it's like family
stuff it's I don't know there's there you get a sense that he
is wanting to prove himself and it isn't so much about like
being totally like evil and bad like stereotypical that I
think there's a little bit more depth and a little bit more
time paid in the movie to like show his frustrations show
like the you know how he wants to be this main player because
of like a sense of like not honor but you know bringing you
know bringing value to his family and I think there's a you
know with the stuff that the scenes with his daughter and
just the stuff at his house and his and the villain's mother
and all of that I just yeah I don't know it it seemed like
seemed unique I dug it I guess so like at the same time he is
trying to take more control but also leave to guess is
interesting where he's like right sign very like broad
sort of just like set over control for everything is like
kind of what he's just like control of everything don't
worry about it I get all the clothes all the clubs are mine
and it's just like one document just like boom your buddy's
in a barrel yeah document that doesn't yeah that's how that
works Peter sign this paper Peter Strowmare going out is a
little anticlimactic but it's cool that he does get a like a
little bit of like a last final like oh fuck you and he just
shows up drunk and then just get shot down I mean it's kind
of funny just crashes his car drunk to the whole thing and
that's just like oh it's more chaos into this into this moment
but yeah that's and then he seems kind of just strung out
the whole movie I guess I mean I could see it just being just
exhaustion from staying up all night looking over your shoulder
eyes and all that stuff but in his yeah he just looks like
is he just doing ecstasy in a different way than he almost
had it again it's just so weird that ecstasy is the drug that
you don't see he's not like sitting there scarface so
yeah I don't know he's he's got the biggest glass of was it
Brandy oh yeah that's not why that's Brandy or that's a
fucking Brandy glass I was essentially have a bottle I'm
sure how big that glass was and I'm glad they got a picture of
him taking a sip because it was just like and then Peter
Storm air like grabs the paper and spills some of his because
it's like yeah what are you gonna do top heavy glass and then
he's just talking shit on the house all time and about how
his house is gonna be perfect and if we're getting like near the
end of this movie I'd say the one thing is like I take some
qualms with the fact that there's like just two big fucking
set pieces one after the other which kind of rival each other
in a very similar way one they're going in as a raid to just
you know but like a drug bust essentially and get the guys
second one is to save you know someone who's who's kidnapped
but both of them essentially accomplish the same thing and I'm
just I just really question in a two and a half hour action
movie of combining the best elements of those two two things
into one and whatever if he kidnaps or have him kidnap her
earlier in the movie and then have it just revolve around
both of those things but having that whole drug bust thing and
then have him get away to Cuba and they gotta it's two hours
and then they gotta go to fucking Cuba I was like wow and it
does blow my mind just how quick Michael Bay does this we're
just Joey pants and the Coast Guard and everyone comes in
we're like yeah we're gonna fucking do it no question like
this is the gonna be the quickest like hostage situation ever
that we're ever gonna we're going under all the red tape
like yellow tape whatever like it's it's all good we're gonna
figure it out and they do and they go on this mission and
it's just a whole another raid and and bus and and and they
save the day and and they and save just completely blow up
his mansion in Cuba my god I'm just so curious what it is
that just an actual man explosion they're just allowed to
just blow shit up there I don't know that's a good question
yeah I don't it seems almost like a set like a hastily but
it does also seem like a house I don't know and there's a lot
of rocket launchers the effects are like spot on but it's
cool to see just like people just like pull out of like those
guys pop out of the ground and they just like that's the
fucking inaction movie that's just as a as a Michael Bay it
just strikes me as a young boy because as a young boy just
be like fuck they got rocket launchers cool right
absolutely God and it's fun to see on screen I mean yeah
just this whole movie cranks along and there's not too much
of the slow down stuff that yeah I don't know it's fun it's a
fun movie man it's a really good movie yeah I in a lot of
ways it's a it's a representation of you know someone
I in my mind people not saying no to Michael Bay and there
and that would be my criticisms and it shows or I think my
overall feelings towards Michael Bay has kind of changed as
my life has gone on a better understanding but also like
subjectively and better understanding of my taste in
movies and it's it's a hard thing to decipher exactly
which where you know where the line is drawn and everything
but I think more and more of these movies are kind of
exhausting but just absolutely breathtaking set pieces and
action and the chemistry between all the leads is one of the
more memorable buddy cop movies you could fucking get for
great for the bargain and the money is all on the screen
it looks you know like these these again that car chase is
fucking nuts and you could be like which one you know sure
yeah but which mansion which yeah which explosion all of that
mm-hmm there it's there this movie is yeah over stuffed with
yeah yeah that's all the things yeah and more let's get into
some reviews again this is a movie from 2003 is a 23% from
critics a 78% from audience let's check out some critic reviews
first and see why they were so poopy doopie snoopy it says
zero from Peter Travers on Rolling Stone so let's start in
the bottom oh wow Peter and he he is harsh literally says
what we just said but he he gives it a bad bad rating because
it goes a different direction zero from Peter Travers he says
bad boys to has everything everything loud dumb violent
sexist racist misogynistic and homophobic that producer Jerry
Brackheimer and director Michael Bacon think of puking up on
the screen. No spank you thank you from TV Guide magazine
Matlin McDonough 20 there's at least one ending too many Union
regularly vanishes for long stretches is the movie and director
Michael Bay's unmitigated pandering to viewers who whoop with
Glee whenever someone gets it between the eyes is genuinely
distasteful. Yeah, it's the distaste thing that's just
like I feel like keep cropping up where you're like oh yeah the
way that they treat dead bodies the way that they treat you
know I don't know yeah a bunch of different like groups of
people very poorly yeah like yeah they're all like casualties
in the yeah they're all just like in the crossfire casualties of
this go go go exploding movie yeah like USA Today My Clark 38
says appallingly mean spirited. Oh interesting yeah that's
something that we've talked about that's funny that neither
that we didn't have we're overlooking that or at least I am
that is interesting okay that is a criticism that we love me
against movies a lot especially comedy comedies and maybe even
horror movies to an extent you know using people as as fodder
in ways. Yeah, he's definitely guilty of it and I just there's
there's certain things of this that just rise above all the
all the other bullshit that is totally a lot of movies and even
something like I remember seeing six underground and like
being like this is a bad movie but somehow like I just sat and
watched all of it and it was like really dumb and entertaining
at the same time and bad I don't know it's just it's all it's
all of those things like somehow it just keeps you keeps you in
there. No this movie is much better. I'll do maybe one more
from let's do the globe and mail from Rick grown. Smith and
Lawrence and gave it a 38 Smith and Lawrence enjoyed some
amusing chemistry in the 95 original but their molecules
sure aren't jibing here. It's a full hour into this behemoth
before there's anything resembling a belly laugh.
Rick really looking for those belly laughs. They laughs. Yeah,
give me a belly laugh for you don't get a good rating. I'm Rick
Rick. Rick. Rick. And I grown occasionally as well. Let's check
out some positive reviews from audience members. I have two
here from FlubberTuberTube and fuck the police that both say
epic just one word epic. 10 out of 10. This is a 10 out of 10
from magnesium do possibly one of the worst movies ever but
it is funny as hell and everyone party people of nervous
dispositions should watch this probably not worth buying but
one of the best worst films of all time. Wow. Okay. Yeah.
From Oswald Ferrera a 10 out of 10. One of the funniest most
energetic buddy action films out there bad boys to is certainly
cliched but damn is it satisfying to watch the action
scenes are like controlled chaos the cast is a solid job.
The plot is actually comprehensible unlike most action
films today. If you still nurture that part of you that
likes to see ass kickings shootouts explosions crashes hot
women etc. Then you'll have a hard time finding anything much
better than this. Wow. Seven out of 49 users found that
helpful 42 people did not find that helpful. There's so many
of these that just say epic. There's just like yeah one word
epic epic epic from from a lot of people and I feel like
that's like a one word copypasta that's forming and I love it.
The Godfather's son gave it a 10. It's been almost 12 years
since bad boys to hit theaters and blew my mind. This was
written in 2015. I don't even remember the noisy first movie.
I just didn't like it that much even though it has higher
ratings bad boys to completely changes the game by throwing
in more drugs sex and stupendously bloody violence and boy was
it was it entertaining. Michael Bay is one of the most
dislike directors. Okay. But with BB to he totally has
realized a new genre of action thrillers on their own. For
example, the car chases are the most best chases I've ever
seen in movie most best. He blends lethal weapon and boys
into hood and pineapple expressed together and
experiments with his movie elements. The result is a lush
Miami setting. Will Smith and Martin Lawrence at their
comedic best a drug field story car and gun chases in sexy
women. It's car and gun chases Jesus and sexy women's gun
chases. What more could you do? The guns chasing.
The God's gonna get me. What more could you want from
action movie? It's not a movie for serious critics or people
don't like action movies. BB to is a hidden classic action
flick. It's well. Yeah. Smiley rim and brilliantly acted.
The appeal is beautiful and it still technically holds up
in 2015. I hope the third one is good. The nose fun you will
have watching a movie period. I must be most fun. The nose
fun. I was gonna say, well, you could have some nose fun
with this movie and probably enjoy it. No, this is the
next to see movie Brandon. Oh, yes, right. Sorry. Yeah,
well, some feelings. I mean, for the for the critics as to
why they didn't like it. Yeah, I mean, it's the Peter
Travers. He's always a fun one to bring up and it seemed like
you really didn't like the sensibility of Michael Bay at
this point and a lot of you know, even the things that we
criticize and yeah, I don't know. So somehow it's just maybe
because we've grown up with these movies a bit more but able
to like overlook some of those things and and for the higher
purpose of a fun action movie, the idea that I mean, maybe
this is this is this isn't full cop out, but these characters
not being Boy Scouts, you know, especially the bad guys and
you know, police officers that are you know, flying like
fucking shit up in the face of the law and going thing by
the you know, their own rules and everything. It's like,
there's gonna be some, you know, gray area there and there's
gonna be some shit that's not so savory and that almost
kind of works. Yeah, again, for the characters and at this
at this time and the sensibilities may not reach
everybody but it it never really was made for the critics.
It was it's a it's a block-borne blockbuster movie. We come
around this point a lot as far as you know, especially this,
you know, this time of year we've been doing this as well.
This is part of extensively is a series of doing these
blockbuster movies and this is, you know, a great use case of
you know, it's understandable why the critics don't like it,
but there is I yeah, I think if you're going to a movie to
be thrilled and entertain, there's a lot of stuff in here
that doesn't require dialogue. It just requires shooting
things that are not just shooting it from a director or
standpoint, but shooting it with a gun standpoint that is
very thrilling and is something that is fun to go see,
especially when the weather's hot and the theaters are cool,
like, you know, you want to just see, yeah, I don't know,
people get into some shit that's really wild and crazy with
bazookas and exploding houses and like car chases and all of
that. And then yeah, very fun. There's some excellent action
and yeah, if if I can just roll into my review, I'd say
some of my qualms would probably be, you know, that like I said,
the editing is something that watching Michael Bay movies at
this point in my life, I feel like I do have to be in the right
kind of mood after seeing like things progressing away from
this even with the born movies and whatnot to the point where
like editing and quick cuts got, you know, untenable and action
movies to the point where it was just it was too much and too
quick and too shaky cam and all that stuff and this kind of
has the writing on the wall and this movie for what's to come.
And that's a movie that has Liam Neese. Is it like that's
like taken to your four while I think it's like where there's
like what is it? It's like 19 cuts for just him jumping over
a fence. Yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah, you show me that clip
a while back and that's that's exactly what I'm talking about
is like where that's that's what that's leading to.
And in Michael Michael Bay has been doing this for a long time.
But I just in the same way that this is maximalist in a lot of
good ways like I like that this is a big big movie with a lot of
set pieces. And somebody that is having fun and doing what they
want. But yeah, it definitely has consuit as well where I think
they could have wrapped those two set pieces together. Like I
just said they're like a lot of them but still like, you can
find a way to put them together at the end. I didn't mention
that fucking Hummer going down and just blasting through all
those favelas and like, oh my god, that shit was amazing like
that. I know it just looks it looks good. Like he was really
crashing into stuff again all these fast and furious movies
like he's going down a dam and it you know it's a crazy idea
and conceptually and everything but just looks doesn't look real
and then Michael Bay it's like I just want him to hold on some
of those shots but still it just looks so cool seeing that
cards blast down that hill. But anyways, yeah, those those
tighten some of those things up and like consolidated a bit
and and let me see some some more hold hold on those shots a
little bit more. You know, yeah, definitely the sensibility of
Michael Bay is something I'm always going to have qualms with
and qualms with and there's always going to be now it's
never going to be a perfect score for him because the guy
just definitely not is not ever going to get get it completely
right for me. I don't think ever and that's that's just like
no fault of his own few few people do and you know anybody for
finding like a perfect movie or anything but as good this is
really like as good as it kind of gets for him and in a lot of
ways and the reasons I do like pain and gain as as well kind of
come out in this one but I think the cast is is better in this
one. Even then, then pain and gain, you know, and it does come
across as cool still like Will Smith is so like just looks so
fucking cool and they're yeah, I can't mention enough them
together is gold casting it's it's Will Smith and Michael
Bay together work as an action duo at this time and both of
their careers it just it's electric what's on screen and so
it's it's going to get a positive review for me from me. I'm
I'm feeling a 72 like a a nice 70 70 range is feels feels right
for it. I feel like that's positive and I think there's
enough in this movie that I do have criticisms of that I wouldn't
you know push it too far past that but I would recommend it
for sure for a for an action movie if you got two and a half
hours to to get into something but it's a yeah it's a fun action
movie for sure. Yeah. Okay, yeah. I guess I can look at my
notes real quick before you move on. Let me see if there's any
fun quotes. I'm sorry. I just cut you off and keep the oh I
think I just done got mad. Jesus fuck. I like that one. I've
been using that one since I watched it. This some sick shit.
It's about to get sicker. Yeah, that one puckered up my butthole.
I'm not a forward facing middle finger to some guys as you
walk and pass like those two guys that like always give them
shit in the office and everything like facing a little finger.
If that makes sense like the hands facing forward. Why don't
you exercise your right to shut the fuck up? X man they keep
on calling them the X man which I just thought was just funny
it's like dealing X to see and just like yeah that X man.
It's just Wolverine just dealing X to see them be great.
I've spinning shot during standoff of course. What is this
video camera room? Yeah. Okay. Oh yes the rats fucking.
Yeah, just had to mention that real quick. I think the line
they fuck like us is pretty great and the fact that they had
to get like animatronic they look like animatronic or
puppet puppeteered mice to like go missionary style and
it's such a weird little boy six sense of humor. I don't
like edge the word. Yeah, for sure. But they fuck like us.
I think is a great great line. Yeah, the finger with the
jokes. He's got his finger like hanging out like in the office.
He's like, hey, get me a print on this. I'm like, that's a
human being's finger. Jesus fucking Christ. And the one guy
is like, can you teach me how to shoot people asks him when
he's like walking away at one point? He's just a weird like
hey, can you teach like show me how to be essentially and
then Dan Marino shows up for a second hand to mention him.
He's asking how the S would know it's not as good as a cat.
It's a cat. It makes me think your matrix reloaded really
draw that same car and then I would love this another great
fucking car chasing with that car. The cat like at the time.
Yeah, cinematography works for Miami. That boy bit me in the
train scene to do and then that whole thing where they like
grill the guy who's trying to take out the daughter, right?
That's I think that's a great scene where like Martin Lawrence
answers the door. He's like you like in these grilling the guy
who's trying to take his daughter out and then Will Smith
comes up with a bottle on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You smoke that
shit. You smoke that you're like asking me to smoke sweet and
stuff and like Will Smith is like playing like me.
Got on that little kid and the kid just like pointing the gun
on everything. Yeah. I don't know handles it really well.
It is. It is funny and just like Martin Lawrence is just so
funny and then one of his other lines ain't going to be no fucking
tonight. Yeah, ain't going to be no fucking tonight. No fucking tonight.
I think is is is also great. He has Pepto just ready to go and
the scene with all like the dead bodies. He's like I need some
Pepto and he's pulled up. Yeah.
Pepto bits. I'm so dummy and Will Smith is talking about all
the dead bodies and he's how he learned it from the learning
channel and shit. It's yeah. It's it's interesting humor.
And then how does he not see the pills that he's drinking?
Whatever. Supple leather. Yeah, that's pretty much it. They
use like the cats in the Guanas to trip the white. Yeah, there's
just some funny goofy shit in this movie. Goofy shit.
That's all sorry. No, no, no.
As I pulled up my notes to and it's just like my notes are, you
know, that's a funny shit. Martin Lawrence getting shit on is pretty
funny. Man. So many ecstasy pills.
I have to say like Blue Streak is one of my favorite action
comedies like ever as well. Like that movie is endlessly
rewatchable for me as well. And I just I threw it on recently
and yeah, love it. Love it. He's so good in it.
Okay, so for me that as he says, as Luke Wilson, I probably
sound like Luke Wilson more so in that movie where I sound like a
square. Believe that. Believe easy. And that's what he says.
Believe. Okay, I'm done.
Okay.
Yeah, so like this movie for all of its action and highlights,
this is a relatively hollow movie because there are a lot of
sensibilities from Michael Bay that are really dated,
unfortunate, grating, you know, and it's a tough thing to wrestle
with because again, like we've just been so steeped in with our
series of summer movies is that there is this like the seesaw
or this kind of, you know, exercise that you have to go through
of like, it's okay to turn your brain off and just really enjoy
a lot of stuff being put on the screen and that's okay. And you
don't necessarily need to it doesn't need to have like, you
know, it doesn't need to be perfect. Things don't need to be
perfect. Right. But ultimately, this movie has a lot of stuff in
it that is really hollow, that is so showy, that is so just like
has this undercurrent of like really kind of a shitty persona
to it that really detracts a lot of this from this movie for me.
But the highlights of it are really high. So it's almost like
there's really high highs and really low lows. So when I'm thinking
about the score of this is like, I really just want to put this
like you did like a firmly in the 70 range because like, I don't
know if you were to just kind of cut this or watch it on TV and
beat for parts of it. It's like, man, this is some stuff that
you really couldn't get anywhere else at this caliber and the
style at this level. And so it just is it's such a, there's, yeah,
it's also too it is difficult to not bring baggage to
this Bay movie, having lived a life where Bay has made a bunch
of movies now like this and to much worse effect because it's
like really too glossy and really annoying in the editing.
The color correction is absolutely absurd, which in this
movie, it's pretty absurd to there just scenes where the background
is blue and then the foreground will be yellow. And then
there's just all of this weird, you know, color stuff that's
going on that just makes this movie come off as this very
glossy Ferrari. Like this movie is is Will Smith's car in this
it's it's actually not the best car. But what when you see the
car on the road doing stuff, you can kind of forget that it's
actually not the fastest car or it's not the best car because
it's just doing cool shit on the road and it has a sleepiness
dude that's really, you know, it can be very captivating. And so
I think for me, I want to almost lean, especially since we're
going to get into more movies that are really big, you know,
and we've been doing that. But like. I just fundamentally, I
think I want to recommend, I like put this a little bit higher
because the dynamic between Will Smith and Martin Lawrence is
so good. And I just really hang my hat on that a lot. And then
obviously it's supplemented by the you know, some of the
insane action sequences in this. But I don't know, I think their
relationship is really just so fun because I think that this
movie could have been a one hander where it is much more
like hard boiled, grittier, you know, in a sense, let me
mean maybe more boring, but this movie has a lot of comedic
flourishes in it that allows you to carry from, you know, it
maybe shakily at times, but carry you from one action sequence
to the next in a way that's really enjoyable. So like, I
think for me, I'm going to give this a 79 is how I'm feeling
about this. I think to leave it bad boys too has a lot of
cool shit in it. And yeah, I think if you were to just kind
of like do a men in black remove the movies that Michael
Bay have done after this. And if you were to just be in the
moment when this movie came out, I think you could relinquish a
lot of baggage that would allow you to go like, wow, this is
something I haven't seen a lot of which I make a great sequel
as well. I mean, we like to make a sequel a sequel that
arguably is even better than the first bolder. A lot of people
probably just watch this one. And I don't know, I feel like
people cite this one as like all bad boys to is the one to
watch. But yeah, I mean, we're in the we're in the same same
same range. And this was this was one that we threw on my
bachelor party recently like late night. And it was like, it
was fun for that to just like casual and then the night sort
of thing. And I don't have to think too hard about it. You can
see some cool show. Some funny stuff. And I think that's yeah,
I know people say mean spirit and some of the criticisms and
everything, but there is like a joy to him as well. And what
he's trying to do is is trying to be fun, you know, even if it's
at the cost of some people sometimes. But great, I had a
fucking awesome discussion. Again, like, I got to say one more
time, man, my car, that car chasing, I got to make like a
list of letterbox or something of favorite car chasing. But
that one, that one's going up there now. I'm thinking like
Matrix who loaded even brought up like what tenant earlier,
even that car chasing or whatever, like you think about
that movie, the car chasing is is where it where it hits for
sure. All right, well, for next time, please join us as we do
another sequel, a screenquil, if you will, we're going into
spooky territory for just just an episode, I believe it is
screen to from 1997, it is a polarizing movie, it is a
critically favored polarizing movie, which makes it extra
fun. It is an 82% from critics certified fresh, and a
poopy doopey snoopy 58% from the audience. What's going on?
We will discuss it and we're very excited. We have a
special returning guest and just put it into perspective.
The original screen was an 81 from critics and an 80 from
audience. Yeah, so we'll see what went wrong here for the
second one for that that audience side of things. For us
here at polarized on this bad boys two episode has been a
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