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Welcome everybody to the Polarized Podcast.

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This is that polarizing movie podcast.

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Come back if you're a returning listener, because you know how in podcasting everybody's

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always just ever, you know, just a new to the episode.

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We're doing that a whole bit again, you know, classic trope.

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But hey, you know what?

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Today we're talking movies.

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Get ready.

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Yeah, so this is a polarize.

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This is a podcast about polarizing movies, polarizing movies in the sense of Rotten Tomato

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scores.

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Those are the movies that we talk about where critics either love it, audiences hate it

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or vice versa.

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Today we are talking about a very, very polarizing movie in the Marvel universe called Captain

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Marvel.

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The score for this is 79% critics, 45% who's stinky on the audience side.

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My name is Brandon.

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How are you?

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How are you?

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Hey, how are you?

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And we're going to be jumping right into it.

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We're going to talk about this movie, talk about why it's polarizing, talk about how

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we feel about it.

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So buckle up.

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And I'm not going to be the only one talking today.

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This is a podcast with two hosts or like we sometimes refer to the person I'm about to

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introduce as the forever guest.

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I would like everybody to put your hands together for Mr. James Lindsay.

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Yes.

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Hello.

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Hey, two guests for the price of one because I'm really just the for for two, two hosts

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for the price of one.

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Did I say guests?

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Cause I'm the forever guest.

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Yes.

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And I sneak in as the guest, but then occasionally I take on those host duties.

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Cause you know, not occasionally you really do.

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You're underselling it all.

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Yeah.

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And you know, cause that would, it would just very much seem like I'm screaming into the

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void on some of these movies.

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This one might be one of them.

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Yeah.

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Screaming into the void with Brandon Stables.

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It's very therapeutic.

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Everyone to join me.

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Yeah.

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It's a ASMR, but very loud, very loud ASMR.

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Is that, does that exist or does that qualify?

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What is ASMR?

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Some type of technical term for the stimulation that happens in your brain when somebody talks

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and like makes a bunch of clicks with their mouth or autonomous sensory meridian response

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is a tingling sensation that usually begins on the scalp and moves down the back of the

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neck and upper spine.

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Ooh, a pleasant form of paresthesia.

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I should read this like ASMR.

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It has been compared with auditory, no, come on synesthesia and may overlap with frisian.

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Oh, frisian.

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Oh, specifically quiet or you can just be a welcome to Brandon screaming into the void.

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I'm back with another episode and I'm upset.

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That would be just, that's what we would sound like if we were on the radio.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, hello Brandon.

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Welcome to another, another episode of Polarize podcast.

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Bunch of shock jocks.

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Hey, let's go.

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Or yeah, we can do that.

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What's that?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Hey everybody.

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What's up my bros?

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I don't know.

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We could, we could go there.

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Classic.

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I'm just switching gears.

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Hey, what's up my bros and brosettes?

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Yeah.

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Marvels.

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You say, no, no, I say tomato.

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Very tomato, tomato in the Marvel Marvell.

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Also really kind of a, not a plot point, but sort of kind of right that there's, you know,

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this reveal, you know, towards the end of the film.

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I mean, just to jump into it, because I'm sure if you're listening to this, I'm sure

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you're probably seen this movie because since it's a Marvel movie, most people have, and

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unfortunately, a majority of people have a strong opinion about this movie, which is

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why we're talking about that reveal of the name though, is like something that only I

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feel like Samuel L. Jackson could perform that task of that.

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So there's some lines in here that are rough, but when you have, when you, oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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But when you have a, we're going to list them all right now.

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When you got to go, no, we have a guy like Samuel L. Jackson that just like, Hey, I thought

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it was Marvel, like the Marvelettes.

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I was just like, Hey, this is the best way that you could go across this bridge of, cause

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I'm just waiting for that.

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Like, you know what your name should be.

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I'm even thinking of the, the poopy doopy Snoopy, Fantastic Four, most recent Fantastic

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Four movie where the very end they're trying to come up with a name and it's just, it's

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just a big like, are they going to say it?

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Ooh, are they, cause that's what the people want.

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Don't, you know, you got to hold that stuff close to the vest because you know, I just

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want to, why, why so you're such a great surprise.

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Fantastic Four.

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So I, you know what?

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I loved the Marvettes a little bit cause it just had me immediately singing with them.

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Hey, hey, Mr. Oh, how does it go?

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It goes, wait a minute.

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Mr. Postman, Mr. Postman.

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Hey Mr. Postman.

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You know, which is a fucking banger.

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I love that song a lot.

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He's referencing something, something else.

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And then it gets you thinking about just a really good song.

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Right.

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There's a lot of songs in this movie, James.

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How did you feel about the music?

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Well, all of that was like, that response just kind of get the, it felt like the air

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just got sucked out of the room.

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I'm sorry.

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It was different because it was a lot of nineties stuff, which is nothing wrong with that.

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I mean, I love, I love a lot of these songs, which is how they were the spin, this record

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would start spinning.

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It just felt like a, Whoa, this, this feels out of place.

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Very much like a jukebox musical where it would just be kind of a classic, you know,

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a lot of, yeah.

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What would you, what would you call mainly the music choices like from the nineties and

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this it'd be a lot of that kind of grungy stuff, right?

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Cause we have her wearing a nine inch nail shirt.

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There's a definitely there's a Nirvana song at that point.

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And then of the big, no doubt song.

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During a fight scene, right?

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Which is kind of what you were alluding to.

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And that's another one where I love, I love that song.

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Like especially the, just a girl, like no doubt.

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So I love no doubt.

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And it's somehow even hard to see it juxtapositioned with the things that are happening and at

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the moment and how they like started up and start and stop it.

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Like, and I've, I know it's a big thing in trailers now.

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And I brought this up to you with like the Napoleon trailer.

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Which that's, yeah, it's concerning.

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It's a big theme in trailers is just kind of how, how a lot of them are cut is picking

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a very popular song and not doing what captain Marvel has done, but instead do making it

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much more dramatic and then having big like, like base hits and stops and starts again

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and making it more epic.

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And they use that radio head song, which I love my radio head.

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And even I was, I love my Ridley Scott and gladiators.

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I don't know.

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It's always been one of my favorite movies.

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And I'm like, yeah, I'm ready for a Napoleon movie, but that was like the one down part

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and I should be stoked on having like a radio head song.

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And it was even like the same treatment to a radio head song in silo.

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It's the, it's a great band to use those kinds of moments.

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Settle the Apple TV plus show.

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It's pretty good.

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But anyways, my, my, my brother was just that like those, that's one way to do it.

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And I'm not even saying that's correct, but that there's the way that this has used the

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songs is really just starting up the song because you like actual song, not a kind of

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an interpolation or some type of remix or whatever it is legitimately just playing the

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actual song.

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And I even saw, I mean, guardians is the best example of incorporating that kind of stylings,

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those kinds of music stylings into a movie that really would have a hard time fitting

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those kinds of music notes into it because of the material and everything.

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But then the visual language and the humor of James Gunn and those movies makes it okay

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where it was kind of seventies and then eighties and then with the third one nineties as well.

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And there's the third one.

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I saw the third one.

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And it's, I haven't seen it.

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It's good.

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It's, it's good.

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It's fucking hard, heartbreaking, just not to give anything away, but there's some heartbreaking

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like stuff with a rocket's origin story a little bit, you know, but, you know, they

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just creep even as a radiohead parallel and it's done very well.

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Cause it's like mixed in a way like that, that it goes in and out with, with what's

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going on instead of just like very flatly play layered on top of something.

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It's seems so after the fact, I get what you mean because you know, the two examples

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of one, maybe not as much.

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It's kind of looping that opening a bit, but yeah, sure.

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So like in guardians, you have like, what is it?

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Mr. Blue, I think the ELO song, what is that?

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Yellow song.

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I know what you're talking about, but that is so it, it is embedded, like you said, into

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how the scene is edited so that it's, it's punchiness, it's highs and lows, the

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timbre of the song fits the action very well.

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So it just really isn't a wonderful addition because you're like, Oh, this is just really

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spectacular action.

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And then this song rips.

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So I love it.

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So now it's like, you know, it's, I love it even more because of it, but you're absolutely

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right is more often than not, especially too, cause there's a lot of usage of this, these

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popular songs where they might just be driving or just doing fucking, I don't know, like

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in transit or like moving around or not any like the salt and pepper.

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What a man song, right?

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It's like all they're doing is just driving somewhere from where they were.

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Is that the one where the security guard is that what he's listening to in his, in his

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car?

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Ooh, I don't know.

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I don't think he was listening to anything.

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Cause I just remember him being very like, doesn't have a lot to say each time he's asked

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about something.

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And he's just like sitting and yeah.

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And he's so like, it's just not a real, not a real person.

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I don't know.

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It just, or maybe he's in shock.

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I guess it would be the argument.

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And which is somewhat understandable.

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And I mean, I'm sure for that actor, like, yeah, I mean, your direction is, is that something

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just fell from the heavens and crashed into this blockbuster.

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You should be shocked about that.

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Cause that's a really crazy thing to have happen and witness, but it's, it wouldn't

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be a great opportunity for some fun and levity to, because Brie Larson kind of brings it,

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you know, cause the, the like fun there and the comedy there is that she is very matter

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of fact, you know, to her, she's not, she's unamazed.

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She's just faced by what has happened and she's just trying to like solve the next problem

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to get out of there.

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And so, yeah, she just approaches the guy goes like, you know, and then has that whole

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little bit about a communications.

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And then he points to a radio shack, which is, you know, such, you know, isn't that fun?

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James strip mall with a blockbuster and a radio shack.

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Remember when that was the thing we're old enough to know this.

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This is what the movie wants us to talk about.

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They want us to lean over like, Oh, hey, I remember that.

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Oh my God.

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I was going through my old stuff.

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I found my block, blockbuster membership card and I like kept it.

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I was like, I got rid of all bunch of my old shit.

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Uh, I had, I just, it was a lot of old stuff that I got back.

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Um, and for you, that was one thing.

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And I was like, Hey, look at that.

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I'm going to, I might hang onto that for a second.

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Yeah, why not?

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I mean, but it's a little, it's a little card and then yeah, the radio shack right next

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to right next to it's a little tight.

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It's a little tiny card, but then yeah, as players you can get rid of.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I mean, it's a collection.

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Never.

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Uh, I have the soundtrack list, uh, crazy on you by heart.

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Kiss me deadly by, uh, what a man by salt and pepper connection, connection by Elastica

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only happen when it rains garbage, crush with eyeliner.

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R.M. I don't even remember.

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I like that song and I'm trying to remember exactly when it was, it must've just been

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really in the background.

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And there's like an intro to that song that they probably use, but I just don't, it must've

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been like in the background somewhere.

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Of course.

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Cause there, again, there are plenty of times in this movie where these songs play, where

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like, you know, uh, crush with an eyeliner could have been playing while she's walking

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out of her jet plane.

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And that's like, you know, that's playing in the background or she's like going to,

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she's like working on something or just doing something.

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And maybe it was an action scene and it just, it starts playing and it's really hard to

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pinpoint that because, um, a thing that I'll start getting into talking about as the action

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of this is one of those things that I really have a huge problem with.

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Because I absolutely at this point, loathe action sequences now in these movies.

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And that's why by and large, I don't like these movies anymore is when people are just

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going, it's just like color light beams shooting out of people.

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It's so fucking boring.

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Like battle at the end is what happens.

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And I just about like, care less.

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Deflated into the couch.

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I was like, oh, and I just deflated on and I just couldn't get up anymore.

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And then the rest of it happened.

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But, um, yeah.

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And then, uh, you gotta be by Desiree come as you are Nirvana, just a girl, no doubt

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man on the moon by Ari and memory.

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Remember that?

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Are you, when was that?

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Didn't tell you about the fun.

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Couldn't talk to our songs in this.

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And I don't remember.

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And as yeah, as a fan, that's, that's surprising.

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I remember like a lot of these other ones.

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So those are probably just like background, like on the radio or something.

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And then celebrity skin hole was like the end credits.

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But, uh, but, uh, but, uh, waterfalls.

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I think that's what the guy was listening to in his car.

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Maybe.

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No, I think that was like a road trip thing.

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Like they were driving.

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I'm pretty sure he was listening to the, uh, what a man.

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Okay, gotcha.

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Let's talk about some of the players and the, I'm sorry, we're going down a rabbit, all

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of the things we don't like.

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And let's use it.

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It was a big, like, it's not as bad as like just the final note.

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It's not as bad as like suicide squad, the, the, or the, or whatever the first suicide

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squad one where it's just like new character, new song.

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And then you can almost hear the record scratch like, and then the whole movie stop and then

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just restart over again with a new character and they just pull it, play another song,

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uh, and all good songs.

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But somehow just ruined by what's hap, what's happening, but not to that level, but it is

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very much just like, we're back in the nineties.

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So there's a lot of setting the scene with that.

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Um, and that was, yeah, absolutely.

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But that's all.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So some of the players in this movie, uh, the main cast of characters I would say are

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Brie Larson, Samuel Jackson, and Jude Law.

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Uh, let's talk, let's talk about these three people.

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So I want to talk about Jude Law in particular because this, him playing a villain, we had

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just recently done, um, uh, Pan and Wendy.

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The holiday and the holiday we've done to, I guess, no, he's not a villain, but, um,

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he's not the, he's not the main care.

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He is a main character, but since that's like an ensemble, yeah, it's an ensemble.

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Yeah, it's more Kate Winslet and, um, Cameron Diaz are the main characters you would argue.

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Yeah.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Especially cause it's a Nancy Myers movie.

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So the females are going to be the leads of it.

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And yeah, which is great.

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They're on holiday.

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They're the ones that are on holiday.

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Yeah.

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And they start the movie.

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They're the ones that do the whole switching and stuff.

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So yeah, it's, it's great.

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Um, Jude Law in that movie is great too.

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I mean, I, yeah, I love Jude Law in, um, he's just so handsome and charming.

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I remember him like just walking into her house and just like, like talking and just

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like, man,

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kind of drunk a little late at night.

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And then he's just so like, uh, apologetic, but quickly is able to turn on the charm to

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turn when her levels are out of control.

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You got to nerf those charm levels.

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Wow.

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That was such a pogchamp thing to say.

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I love it.

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We're on Twitch by the way.

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Sorry, just for you to talk to me a little twitching.

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So Jude Law, so he just kind of fascinates me because again, yeah, so we just did a Pan

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and Wendy and he's the villain in that and he's the villain in this movie.

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And it's, uh, now when I think of these really, you know, kind of these actors that have been

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around a while, especially really good looking actors that have been around a while now,

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man, it just goes to show you how important of a movie, uh, once upon a time in Hollywood

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is because that movie's storyline with, um, Leonardo DiCaprio talks about the trajectory

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of a leading man and how you go from being the leading man until you get too old or not

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bankable enough.

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And then you start playing the villain roles.

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And you know, in that movie, he struggles with that because obviously he, you know,

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he considers himself still a leading man, even though his career is past that.

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And so I was thinking about that concept as applied to Jude Law.

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And I was looking at his body of work and he kind of never was like really, I think

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he had some outings as the leading guy, but really not much of a leading man overall.

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Like not a lot of that.

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A lot of the time he is always a player in good movies for sure.

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He has popped up in a lot of good stuff, but I think he might've gotten wrote.

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I was thinking of like what movies was he the leading man that people were like, Oh

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yeah, right.

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Jude Law, this guy could be the one who kind of is the vehicle for, uh, you know, big blockbuster

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and to be the leading man.

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And one movie that stood out to me as cold, cold mountain, cold mountain was, was a standout

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for me since then, uh, movie got a lot of, uh, like a war buzz and he's a big, big part

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of that.

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I think, you know, that was one of the movies where people, well, cause also too, you just

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consider like talented Mr. Ripley and he is very magnetic in that, you know, which is

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part of this character.

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Huge part of that movie.

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Yeah.

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But Matt Damon is for sure the lead for sure the lead, but I think you, I think plenty

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of people saw that movie myself included and go like, you know, especially cause he's

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a British actor going like, Oh man, who is, you know, Jude Law.

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Oh yeah.

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This guy's, this guy's got something.

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Do you or ducky or something?

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Do you know, ducky?

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No it's ducky.

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Cause ducky likes to fuck.

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He is how I remember.

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Is that what he says?

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No, that's not what he says.

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That's what I say.

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He's such a cat.

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And that, uh, you know, cause he's just such a playboy and that's, you know, the attraction

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that Matt Damon has to him is that obviously Matt Damon is this fucking weirdo.

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Like, um, uh, not a shut in, but yeah, just as not charismatic by nature.

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You know, he has to force himself to be that.

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Yeah.

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And then, uh, the transition, I mean, you're talking about the transition from him kind

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of playing that role in that movie has him staged as almost the archetypal sort of like

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handsome suave, charismatic, Debonair sort of, sort of guy that, uh, has everything going

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for him and all the guys want to be the ladies want to be with sort of thing, at least in

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Matt Damon, Mr. Ripley's eyes.

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And, and to see him transition, I think pretty effortless effortlessly because the standard

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for him to always be the leading man hasn't been held over him because he, yeah, like

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you're saying he hasn't had like necessarily all of his roles have been surrounding that.

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He has taken a lot of like supporting me.

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Like I think he's a really great supporting actor and he's very, very willing to ugly

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himself up.

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I'm even thinking of a movie that I saw later in my life, but is it road to perdition?

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The Tom Hanks, which is bright before like the ugly, like weird assassin dude.

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That's just in the background the whole time and knowing that someone's willing to take

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on those roles as well, um, speaks to, yeah, just what he wants because he has the power.

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So I think kind of get those leading roles and things that whatever he may like, but

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maybe not whatever, but just the, to be able to support something that's, that's great.

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And, uh, be around something that seems to be more iconic or being able to work with

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the established directors or great cast is, it seems to be something that he is willing

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to do and not only is willing to do, but thrives in because the other one I really like is

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I heart Huckabee's performance in that, whatever you think about that, that movie.

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But I love that movie.

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Cause performance is one of the more memorable ones for me.

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And that one as, as well, where it is kind of like on the surface, he is that guy, but

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then what's bubbling underneath kind of comes out and knowing that that kind of person has

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that sort of like weird side of them is, uh, self-awareness.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And intriguing as a, as a audience member, like whether it be, I don't know, someone

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like George Clooney or something or, or, uh, whatever, just like, you know, that there's

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like, oh, something weird is going on.

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Like he can be kind of a nefarious as well as, as turn the charm on and all.

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I mean, Leo and Brad Pitt and Tarantino, we like once upon a time in Hollywood, you

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were talking about that, like their performances and that, and him as the main character in

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that is, is, uh, so good.

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I love that movie.

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I'm all over the place.

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Someone reel me back in.

437
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Let's talk about it.

438
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It's okay.

439
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It's okay.

440
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No, no, but I just, all I'm trying to get to is, is that, uh, Jude Law has had a really

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interesting career and he has just continued to play villains in the last, you know, last

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big movies that we've seen him in, um, you know, and also the Batman, right?

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He played a penguin as well.

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So he's just been, uh, Oh no, I'm sorry.

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That's Oh God.

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That's, um, Oh my dear boy.

447
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It's a, the, uh, Colin Farrell, Colin Farrell.

448
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Oh, but God, just two good looking British guys.

449
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I'm sorry.

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I guess he's Irish.

451
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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, so, but nonetheless, like our Jude Law tier list next time.

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That'd be fun.

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Oh my God.

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I'd like to do like a Sam Rockwell or something to you.

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Like that guy's so cool.

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Or Ben Mendelsohn.

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Let's, let's talk about him.

460
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Yeah.

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My apologies about the, uh, I mean, just one last thing is I just, I think it was kind

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of unfortunate for Jude Law being also again, being in the fantastic Dumbledore young, sexy

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priest.

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Cause there's just a young, sexy Pope.

465
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Yeah.

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You're sexy Dumbledore.

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Um, there's just been a couple of movies that he's been a part of where I think he kind of

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is given a higher status and the movies themselves haven't done well, but it's not, it's not

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his fault.

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So it's just, yeah, it's, it's been an interesting career for him.

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And uh, yeah, I think he's a great actor, but yeah, let's, uh, let's move on from him

472
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and talk about ensemble stuff.

473
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That's cool.

474
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Yeah, it is.

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Uh, but Ben Mendelsohn, I didn't bring that up in my, uh, you know, in my list of the

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big players here, but Ben Mendelsohn let's, I'm a Ben Mendel stand.

477
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If you know what I mean.

478
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Same brother.

479
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Um, he is for me kind of like the best part of this movie and the ability to act through

480
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:36,680
the cruel makeup is very difficult.

481
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,680
And I like that.

482
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,800
There's a lot of like makeup and prosthetics, like that's cool.

483
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,920
And that, uh, you know, all things considering and they're just like, Oh, like, and I like

484
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,280
a rubber suit or something, but it's more than that.

485
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,760
Like the makeup looks, looks good.

486
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,320
And he's just acting through it so well.

487
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,600
And even having like the timing, uh, to, I don't know the line about like, why would

488
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:03,280
I turn into a filing cabinet was whatever kind of line, but he delivered it.

489
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,680
That made me kind of like almost chuckle.

490
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,680
Oh, there's plenty of lines.

491
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:16,040
He brings a lot of levity to a pretty grim, um, like disposition and plight in life, you

492
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,480
know, cause this movie handles some really interesting concepts.

493
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,480
I like his turn.

494
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,000
That's like my, might be my favorite part of the movie is his like arc.

495
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Yeah.

496
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,720
I mean, it's definitely the most interesting for sure.

497
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,440
Because yeah, I like the idea of just simply put it.

498
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,440
Yeah.

499
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Like, oh, they're the bad guy and then like, you find out that they're not in this like

500
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:45,480
very messy structured movie, which I'm not as crazy about his kind of cuts through the

501
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,560
fat a little bit of what's going on.

502
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,200
Um, but yeah, I agree.

503
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,200
Other things are not fleshed out.

504
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,120
Unfortunately, like the Cree.

505
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:56,360
I don't know.

506
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,720
I think that the Cree aren't fully.

507
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,240
Let's talk about the Cree.

508
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,520
Can we talk about the Cree now?

509
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,520
Let's talk Cree.

510
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,520
Okay.

511
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,280
So, so here's the thing is that the scrolls and the Cree.

512
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,480
Can you talk Cree in your other podcasts as well when you scream into the void?

513
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,480
Yeah.

514
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,480
Avoid screaming.

515
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,480
Yeah.

516
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,480
And that, yeah, exactly.

517
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,000
Well, yeah, it's something I'm working through.

518
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,240
But anyway, so speaking of working through and some cathartic stuff, let's just talk,

519
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,760
let's talk Cree real quick.

520
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:32,080
So the scrolls and the Crees have been locked into this million year war, right?

521
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,080
Yeah.

522
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,000
Do you even have to mention?

523
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,920
So they've been locked into this million year war.

524
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:44,500
So really started out with actually the scrolls, paying attention to the Cree as a society

525
00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:50,520
coming up and valuing their resources on their planet and really like them being the villains

526
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,520
of it.

527
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,080
And then the Cree rise above that in this million.

528
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,120
That's why they have this war.

529
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,000
And so there's this contentious relationship between the scrolls and the Crees.

530
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:07,920
And so now at this point, the Crees have gotten further advanced arguably than the scrolls.

531
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:14,120
So they are really trying to eliminate what used to or who used to be their oppressors.

532
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,120
Right.

533
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:21,880
So we're just seeing some like intergalactic conflicts that have been happening for a really

534
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,060
long time.

535
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:27,360
And so we're just been kind of dropped in, presented with, you know, really quickly.

536
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,800
I mean, the beginning of this movie is just like, yeah, what the fuck is happening?

537
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:39,120
I felt like I got whiplash where they come out guns a blazing in this movie and they're

538
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,360
like, OK, so we're on holo and then we got this.

539
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,920
We got the Cree and then we got this super intelligence.

540
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,320
OK, then we're going to go on this mission.

541
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,880
The scrolls are the bad guys.

542
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,040
The scrolls are like this.

543
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,560
And I'm just like, what the fuck are we talking about?

544
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,680
It's like I. Yeah, it was.

545
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,760
So I had to like delve into this because it just blew me away.

546
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,080
They throw so much at you in that in that first first.

547
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,080
Really?

548
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,080
Yeah.

549
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,440
And it's like.

550
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,440
This is OK.

551
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:16,680
This at the stage two is this movie is in between what you're calling Infinity War and

552
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,680
Endgame.

553
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,680
Right.

554
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:26,600
So I really like in that world of, you know, understanding that there are superheroes and

555
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,040
gods they are trying.

556
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,000
You know, they tried to protect the world from this invader who.

557
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:39,480
I'm trying to even so Titan is the planet that they're that Thanos is from.

558
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,440
I can't remember what race that they are.

559
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,040
But like, you know, with the introduction of the Guardians of the Galaxy, it really

560
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:50,840
blew this whole Marvel universe wide open where there are sand sandarians.

561
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,800
There are.

562
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:59,040
Whatever Thanos is, and there's just all these different races of aliens.

563
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,920
And so like, I guess it kind of prepares you a little bit.

564
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:08,320
But this movie, man, really just you can't you have to know or else it's like super fucking

565
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,080
confusing.

566
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:17,240
It doesn't reference too many other things either, but within like the self contained

567
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:22,520
side, I guess that'd be the first act like the first act and the first portion of it

568
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,240
is just.

569
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,560
Meant to give you kind of whiplash in a purposeful sort of way.

570
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,940
And I don't think it's effective necessarily because it is trying to induce in you like

571
00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:39,160
what it feels like to be a patient of amnesia or something, because you're like, what?

572
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,160
Right.

573
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,240
Yeah, I guess you're like, you're supposed to feel like Captain Marvel because you're

574
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,320
like, not sure what's going on.

575
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,360
And she knows what's going on because she's been there a while.

576
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,880
So when she was just like, don't have a good surrogate.

577
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:52,880
Yeah.

578
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,480
And then like they immediately grab her and start harvesting memories out of her.

579
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:04,960
And so you just yeah, like you just know so little for such an it seems like such an important

580
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,960
thing.

581
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,120
You know, walking into the middle of a movie.

582
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:18,080
And so I mean, you got to be a little suspicious of the Cree off the top of like, you know,

583
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,340
you're questioning what their deal is, why she's there and what happened in between whatever

584
00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:25,480
this crash is.

585
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:34,140
But the way the movie moves past this is not super satisfying and delving out the answers

586
00:32:34,140 --> 00:32:39,520
to all these questions because they're not divvied out in the most like clean way either.

587
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:45,160
Some of the some of the combination of images are pretty, like the blue explosion or something.

588
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,840
And then like the fine dust and stuff.

589
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,480
But it doesn't really like have any meaning to me.

590
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,020
And then when you do discover it, I don't know, it just doesn't fully have a satisfying

591
00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:59,800
conclusion in a broader sense of everything.

592
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:06,720
Yeah, and it's just it's really insult to injury where, you know, I like the idea that

593
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:12,440
the movie goes quickly into essentially like a height, not a heist, but like a like an

594
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,080
extraction mission.

595
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,040
You know, we're just like plowing through it and being like, OK, so we're going to go

596
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,120
on this mission.

597
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,120
Here's our target.

598
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,120
We're going to go here.

599
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,120
Everybody ready.

600
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,640
And then you get to see the cast of characters.

601
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:30,280
But it is so weird because everybody's like different colors.

602
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,080
And so you're like, is that the same person as this person?

603
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,560
Like, why is Verz a human?

604
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,040
And so is Jude Law, but he's not.

605
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,320
Then there's a person and then there's a black guy.

606
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,440
And then there's like another race of person.

607
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:57,400
Hampton or whatever can come out as like with the blue blood thing kind of worked, I guess,

608
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,600
as a reveal so that she can be.

609
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,720
I guess I was like the creed is another thing.

610
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:04,720
Are they like the scroll?

611
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,960
Do they they don't change their form, do they?

612
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,400
Or they just look like humans or all the creed, just various looks.

613
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,400
I mean, that's an excellent question.

614
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,240
This is where just like the maybe Marvel fans are just like, you guys don't get it.

615
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:25,960
But well, but that reminded me of like the beginning of Thor, where he just kind of has

616
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,240
his crew and like you can.

617
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:31,120
They're just like, oh, let's work carrying out another mission like we're doing another

618
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,120
thing.

619
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:37,320
It just with that cold open and how they come together and all that is like more messy rather

620
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,200
than, you know, oh, you get it.

621
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,200
It's story he's got.

622
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,860
He's an established like idea and, you know, mythology and human storytelling.

623
00:34:46,860 --> 00:34:51,640
This is like a little bit harder to digest when you start throwing around those those

624
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,440
terms and everything.

625
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,440
Yeah.

626
00:34:54,440 --> 00:35:00,200
So and then also, too, it's like, I guess it kind of works well for the movie, but very

627
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:08,680
accidentally, in my opinion, is that we get to this hostage situation on this planet.

628
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:15,360
I don't remember the name of it, but like it's a lot of smoke and people start speaking

629
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,080
a different language and yelling and it creates a lot of tension of like, who is who?

630
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:27,120
Because it does posit that the scrolls are able to take on the look of somebody else.

631
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,880
So it does add a lot of stakes of like, oh, this is a very tense situation because everybody

632
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,320
doesn't know who they are.

633
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:41,560
But again, it's just so confusing because I like I don't know who the the like inhabitants

634
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,880
of that planet are.

635
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,280
I haven't really seen what them changing means.

636
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,960
You just told me that that's what they do.

637
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,720
And it just really created a lot of confusion for me where I'm like, and then smoke is added

638
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:55,720
to the situation.

639
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:56,720
I'm like, wait, who's?

640
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:01,360
Well, they got different color light beams, Brandon.

641
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,360
That's all you need to know.

642
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,520
Just look at the different color light beams and you're, you know, you're root for the

643
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,520
green or whatever.

644
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,520
Right.

645
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,520
Yeah.

646
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,520
Root for the green.

647
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,480
Well, no, you root for the blue in the beginning.

648
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:17,880
And then the greens, the bad and then I thought purple or something was bad.

649
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,760
I mean, your guess is as good as my exactly.

650
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,840
But let's yeah, we don't need to get too hung up on this.

651
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,680
I mean, really, it's me.

652
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,360
That's like one of the more like the rest of the movie.

653
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,360
I don't know.

654
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,280
I'm like flying like talking about like more broad strokes.

655
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,440
We don't need to go like beat by beats.

656
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,160
But that like that was a big chunk of it.

657
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,000
And then her crashing into Blockbuster and Radio Shack.

658
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,440
And there is a poor there is a part at that battle.

659
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,120
First of all, the Mohawk looks pretty cool.

660
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,520
And then read that comic.

661
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:58,480
Nice comic book class in college and read that comic because it's like it was a very

662
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,000
unique like feminist comic.

663
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,360
You know, it's very it's an interesting character where, you know, it's like a female passes

664
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,920
the mantle down to another female and then that female is consistently a badass, super

665
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,200
capable, never the damsel in distress, like, you know, really has a strong point of view

666
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,040
of like, you know, I care about my family like that we end up seeing and like who who

667
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,000
matters to her and all of that stuff.

668
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,840
And yeah, the Mohawks badass really is.

669
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,320
Yeah, that's a has a cool effect.

670
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:35,320
And she does this thing when one of the aliens like the scrolls or whatever like goes, and

671
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,440
then she just goes like yells back.

672
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,960
And it very much reminded me of Brendan.

673
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,560
Brendan Fraser and the mummy.

674
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,200
And that made me happy because that just works.

675
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,200
I don't know.

676
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,440
Just like, well, I'm just going to do the same thing back.

677
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,400
Yeah, you know, it's a glance.

678
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,400
Right.

679
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,400
You know, it never gets old.

680
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,600
How do you how do you feel about Brie Larson just in general now?

681
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,320
Because you brought up a point of her handling the comedy.

682
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,200
And then as we kind of touch on some of the plot points, I mean, because I've I've definitely

683
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,980
gone through a lot of the issues that people have with this movie.

684
00:38:05,980 --> 00:38:09,520
And the biggest one is obviously how people feel about her acting.

685
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,040
They think it's very wooden.

686
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,520
It has no depth.

687
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,980
And she is time and time again, a review would be like she's a terrible actress.

688
00:38:17,980 --> 00:38:23,280
She's a cardboard cutout is the thing that gets thrown out a lot about her performance.

689
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:29,560
And honestly, man, I was trying to think about her in comparison to Captain America, Chris

690
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,200
Evans.

691
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,660
And I don't really see the difference between the two in their performances.

692
00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:38,840
I overall like her as an as an actor.

693
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,720
So like what that's what this movie called for, what the script called for.

694
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:48,120
The dialogue was rough throughout for me.

695
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,680
And they had there's some good performers that were doing their best.

696
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,960
Like I think casting her as a superhero was a great move.

697
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:56,960
I don't know.

698
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,160
I think she'd like the bill as a as a superhero.

699
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:06,640
Like she she exudes physicality that aura and everything and kind of has, I think, being

700
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,240
icy and closed off fits the character.

701
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:15,100
And that's what I'm saying about the Chris Evans of it all, because I just was thinking

702
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:18,920
about his performance in Captain America and like he is so stoic.

703
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:25,520
He like a superhero to me is is very like at least what they presented to us Marvel

704
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,000
with these male lead actors is they're not like, yeah, they can have some fun.

705
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:36,200
But a lot of the main characters are supposed to come off as like really capable, very like,

706
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,280
you know, have like this good intrinsic nature to them.

707
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,480
And they're not like, I don't know, they don't they're not crazy or flying off the handle

708
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:44,480
a lot.

709
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,680
They're just very, you know, I'm I'm a good boy trying to save the world.

710
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,680
It's a captain mindset.

711
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,940
They're both captains.

712
00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:52,440
That's just how it's going to be.

713
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,440
Exactly.

714
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,440
So I just that's why.

715
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Yeah, it just kind of drove me nuts a little bit where, you know, it's you call her wooden

716
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,200
and a cardboard cutout.

717
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,360
But like, what is, you know, what are some of these other men leading, you know, superhero

718
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,160
guys giving you that's totally different?

719
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:14,080
Sure, there are flourishes with difference and being able to handle comedy better, because

720
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,280
I mean, yeah, maybe she doesn't handle comedy all that well, but I don't know.

721
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:24,400
She kind of like she gives such a in my mind, a really good performance because she says

722
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:30,400
the lines with the intent that the character should have and the line should be funny.

723
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,160
And so just by saying it normally, how that person would that should be funny.

724
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:39,040
She doesn't have to be like, wink, wink, I'm making a joke, you know, something like that.

725
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,880
It's just like, you know, say the line.

726
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:41,880
Right.

727
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:42,880
And I don't know.

728
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,920
Now, this is a funny line.

729
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,800
Like now I'm going to start implying with my body language that it's going to be funny

730
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:56,720
now and her body language knows more like strong and but also like, yeah, like you're

731
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:00,400
seeing Stoic in a hard, hard shell and everything.

732
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,800
But she's been through a lot.

733
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,800
Yeah.

734
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:10,480
How many years of amnesia and trying to figure out who she is and having these dreams of

735
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,640
and she's going going through a lot.

736
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,120
But then like those moments where, yeah, like there's there's lines like she she does fine.

737
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:24,440
It's just like my issues don't really lie with her and even seen her in Fast X recently.

738
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,840
She handles an action role very well.

739
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:33,000
And I mean, she's giving me a shitty performance and room is amazing.

740
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,600
So I so I watched that after seeing this because I wanted to.

741
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,080
Had you seen it before?

742
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,920
I had not seen it before because I watched this movie and then went and looked at the

743
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,360
reviews and said, seen it.

744
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,720
But I mean, and then since so much being.

745
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:46,720
Yeah, it's incredible.

746
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:47,720
Yeah.

747
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:55,720
That movie in general really blew me away because when spoiler alerts for the room is

748
00:41:55,720 --> 00:42:01,680
about half the halfway mark, almost on the dot, they escaped from their situation.

749
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:10,080
And that really blew me away because I was like a typical movie that is positing like

750
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,980
a kidnapping situation or whatever.

751
00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:15,220
Like the end of the movie would be them escaping.

752
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:18,800
But the fact that they escape halfway through was really like jarring and shocking.

753
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,320
And it's like, holy shit.

754
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,000
So like we're going to have to deal with the fallout, which was such an incredibly interesting

755
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:29,480
take on that concept of a movie of somebody getting kidnapped and needing to escape from

756
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:36,920
their from their captor and to then focus the back half of the movie on what it means

757
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,320
to assimilate back into life was so interesting.

758
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,020
Like I had never really seen that before, because again, I just, you know, was so hard

759
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:48,800
wired of like, there's no way they're like I was the whole time.

760
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,560
I was like, well, he's going to get both of them like, or she's going to stay captured

761
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,560
or whatever.

762
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,320
And this movie is going to continue with that.

763
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,340
But the fact that they both get out halfway through was really just such a like fresh

764
00:43:01,340 --> 00:43:08,480
like take on that concept in a movie, because then you focus the back half on what it means

765
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,600
to get back into society and the struggle there and also the acceptance of what has

766
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,920
happened and focus more on that because, yeah, I don't know.

767
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,040
I just typically you don't you just it ends and then you just assume like, well, they're

768
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,280
going to, you know, get back into society and forever happy ever after whatever.

769
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:31,560
But to like really get into it and being like, no, this is incredibly difficult to become

770
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:37,080
a normal person after this situation and to get to see that and then how Tremblay.

771
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,080
Wow.

772
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,720
Jacob Tremblay and that is really quite something.

773
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,200
So yeah, yeah.

774
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,360
Like she's a great actress, I guess, you know, to put the period to the end of that thought

775
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,460
is like she's not a terrible actress.

776
00:43:53,460 --> 00:43:59,560
And the critiques there are really seem like they're motivated by another agenda or something

777
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,560
something else.

778
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,560
Yeah.

779
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,200
I mean, you want to touch on that?

780
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,200
Yeah.

781
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,200
Yeah.

782
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,480
Because I think that's the bulk of the polarization of this movie.

783
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:11,480
Because I mean, yeah, I think I mean, I know for myself is that I've been pretty clear

784
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,040
on how I feel about Marvel movies and the back half of this movie is going to be a lot

785
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,880
of shooting lasers out of your hands and talking about gobbledygook.

786
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,280
We can say that we can say that conversation more to like maybe go through the rest of

787
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,480
the story and then right before reviews, maybe just touch on that a little bit.

788
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,360
OK, maybe better.

789
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:34,880
But this is I mean, speak of speaking of assimilating, she's trying to figure out what's going on

790
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,520
in this C seven five, whatever the hell it is, Earth planet.

791
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,160
She sees a Stanley with a mall rats script screenplay.

792
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,440
And that was that was pretty fun.

793
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,440
Pretty fun.

794
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,440
I like that.

795
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:50,440
That was fun.

796
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:56,680
What was the slow club is slow club reference to something that seems like it was a reference

797
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,600
to something because then she goes into I know it's a band.

798
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,680
I'm Googling it and I do like that band, but it's OK.

799
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,840
I was almost going to say think like Twin Peaks or something, but I forget.

800
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:18,600
And and then like when she eventually like there's like the fill and Nick Fury stuff,

801
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,600
everyone calls me fury.

802
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,080
We get into like the more scroll stuff and Ben Mendelsohn.

803
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,440
You find out that he's kind of in charge.

804
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,080
Is he like in charge of shield or what?

805
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:38,880
I forget what he's his title is whatever, but he's like kind of above fury.

806
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,120
You find out that he's a scroll.

807
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:47,720
But then there's like the point that the movie kind of takes a moment is when she finally

808
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:53,960
finds her best friend from a life past.

809
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,080
Her lover, not her best friend, her lover for sure.

810
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,080
OK, got you.

811
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,080
Yeah, for sure.

812
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,400
Her lover, which yeah, it's just it's one of those things where it's like this movie

813
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,880
handles that so gingerly because it's just Disney.

814
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,880
There's not willing to show.

815
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,720
They're not Disney and Marvel.

816
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:15,800
And maybe just that's you can blame me for not being attuned as well.

817
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,800
But the these movies are sexless.

818
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:25,280
There's like no, there's it's hard to have, you know, and that obviously was something

819
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,280
that I thought.

820
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,680
But anyways, I just thought that.

821
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,840
No reaction to her coming back.

822
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,240
And I think she's a great actress as well.

823
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,240
Incredible.

824
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:41,280
She played a double seven quote unquote in No Time to Die.

825
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,280
Yeah.

826
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,920
And she was awesome in that as well.

827
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,200
And I mean, even though her that character kind of sucked a little bit, it just wasn't

828
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,240
much for her to do.

829
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:52,240
But she did it.

830
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:53,240
Well, she was.

831
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:54,240
Yeah, she did well.

832
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:58,960
But what the task that she's given in this as well, the same with like Samuel L. Jackson,

833
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,160
the lines that and the reactions that she's supposed to deliver in some of these moments

834
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,160
are just like impossible.

835
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:11,840
Because it just cuts to her like, OK, so you're telling me it's just like the reaction of

836
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,960
like after she told her this whole story and like just to be able to move on and then move

837
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:21,880
into the next mission and all that stuff was just like, I just remember the first time

838
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,200
seeing this movie just being like, how?

839
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,200
Yeah.

840
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,080
How are you able to digest this?

841
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:33,080
How are you just not in a corner just like your minds on the ground?

842
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,840
It's just like brain.

843
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,320
You just got to give me a second like, no, like, I don't know.

844
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,680
Some of that's some of that's especially because she's like telling her that shit.

845
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:46,400
And then a scroll has like.

846
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,120
Turned into one of them and is talking to her daughter at the same time.

847
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:55,880
It was such a weird imagery where again, you're just like, how how can anybody not just freak

848
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,080
the fuck out about this and be like, this is so crazy.

849
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,400
I'm losing my mind.

850
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,960
Have I got did somebody bonk me on the head?

851
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,480
Am I dreaming like this is insane.

852
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,480
Yeah.

853
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,760
Something about the tone of that, like just didn't really work for me.

854
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,480
I wanted a little bit more like, what the fuck?

855
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,480
Like whoa, this what?

856
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:16,480
What?

857
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,880
Yeah, no way.

858
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,440
And that's maybe the obvious sort of thing.

859
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,400
And maybe more than implying that we were criticizing earlier or something.

860
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,880
But this didn't work as well for me either.

861
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:33,560
And it just needed to take a second before moving on to the next thing, which, yeah,

862
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,680
the structure of this movie is just like not are not great for me.

863
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:46,920
I know they're trying to mess with that, like opening and and the giving out the information

864
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,240
to her as well as the audience with her being kind of the surrogate.

865
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:54,560
But like we were saying earlier, it's like we don't have even the full knowledge of the

866
00:48:54,560 --> 00:49:00,440
creed, so there's just how they give the information to the audience isn't fully fleshed out in

867
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,800
my mind of everything that's going on.

868
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:08,320
And I think that the structure of it is the reason that suffers the biggest, the biggest

869
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:09,320
reason.

870
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:15,360
Yeah, it's sort of it starts to like kind of like assemble itself a bit and get a little

871
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:22,280
bit more like cohesive when you start to realize like what Annette Benning's like purpose was

872
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,000
because she's the.

873
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,400
Yeah, she's the she's the thing.

874
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,480
She's like, yeah, like what's that?

875
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,560
What's the word?

876
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:34,560
The MacGuffin, the MacGuffin.

877
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,440
Yeah, she herself is essentially.

878
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,440
Uh huh.

879
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,440
Right.

880
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,640
Because you memory of her because like that is the scroller trying to like get that memory

881
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:44,640
out.

882
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,640
Yeah, it's yeah.

883
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:55,840
Yeah, this movie really suffers from being so complicated and when it's not early, it's

884
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,840
just like it's not.

885
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,280
Yeah, like to make it seem like that.

886
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,240
But then it's just like if they told it normally, it'd be like, oh yeah, I get it.

887
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:07,840
Like she got blown up by some fucking bomb that she got the energy of.

888
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,300
And now she's a superhero and she got her memory erased.

889
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:15,920
And then there's this whole section that they just took out of the movie of her learning

890
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,320
the Cree ways as an amnesia patient.

891
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:24,480
So they OK, so that's not necessarily what I wanted.

892
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,120
But it's just like you could give you that information in a different way, but they just

893
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,120
didn't.

894
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,120
They're just like you.

895
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,120
The Cree are bad now.

896
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,120
They're good.

897
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,120
Now they're bad.

898
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:37,960
And and they are in cahoots with Ronan and you get the little like and I was so concerned

899
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,260
at the end that he was just going to come with a whole army beaming down from Earth

900
00:50:41,260 --> 00:50:45,520
and I was about to just like pause the movie and take another break and expecting to pause

901
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,920
it and see like another half hour where there's a whole army battle.

902
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,480
Like at the end of all these movies, I was going to walk away.

903
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,240
I'm just like, yeah, I'm from the brakes on that.

904
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:58,120
It's just like I can't I can't do this.

905
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,760
Yeah, right.

906
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,600
So speaking of Guardians of the Galaxy, so he was the villain in the first one.

907
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:05,600
I like that.

908
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:06,600
Oh, yeah.

909
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,600
Fucking what's his name?

910
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,600
Oh, God.

911
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,600
Lee Pace.

912
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,600
OK, Lee Pace.

913
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:12,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

914
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,600
Nice.

915
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,320
I love that guy, too.

916
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,320
Have you ever seen a halter catch fire?

917
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,320
No, dude.

918
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,120
Check out halter catch fire.

919
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,120
OK, I will.

920
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,120
Shit rocks.

921
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,260
It's so good.

922
00:51:28,260 --> 00:51:32,040
After success, I'm late on the train on that, so I got to get through that.

923
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,640
It's the whole show is about Silicon Prairie.

924
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:43,520
So what is the computer company compact came out of Texas?

925
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:49,840
And that was in a in a loosely is based on that of like a tech company out of Texas,

926
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,560
you know, gaining in popularity and whatnot.

927
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,940
He's a main character and then it's awesome.

928
00:51:54,940 --> 00:52:00,600
It's also got my movie crush that from San Junipero, right?

929
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,600
Can't.

930
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:02,600
Yeah, Kenzie Davis.

931
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:03,840
OK, I didn't know her name.

932
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:04,840
Yeah, yeah.

933
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:05,840
Who's also in Blade Runner.

934
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,840
I just know her as Junipero.

935
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:07,840
Yeah, God, she's she's the best.

936
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,840
She's such a good actress, too.

937
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,840
Cool.

938
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:10,840
Yeah, yeah, I'll definitely check that one out.

939
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:11,840
Like I know he's in that foundation show that has like a new season out as well.

940
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:12,840
Yeah, Kayla really likes it, but I'm not really a fan of it because it's just it's it's too

941
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:13,840
it's we'll see.

942
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:14,840
I know that's like the source material is pretty popular to you, but very popular apparently,

943
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:15,840
like one of the high like the highest regarded in the world.

944
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:16,840
I mean, I think it's like the most popular.

945
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:17,840
I mean, I think it's like the most popular.

946
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,840
I mean, I think it's like the most popular.

947
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:19,840
I mean, I think it's like the most popular.

948
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:20,840
I mean, I think it's like the most popular.

949
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:46,840
I mean, I think it's like the most popular.

950
00:52:46,840 --> 00:53:04,840
I mean, I think it's like the most popular.

951
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:05,840
Yeah, I don't know.

952
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,840
And then this is a good line because maybe because Samuel L. Jackson delivers it so well

953
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:16,840
to you where he's like, like, let's I think it's when Mendelsohn is like in the room and

954
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,840
they're all trying to figure out a way forward.

955
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,840
And he's like, he's like, let's not make this complicated.

956
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,840
And he's like, I'm about to complicate that wall with some ugly ass scroll brains.

957
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:27,840
Yeah, man.

958
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:28,840
Wow.

959
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,840
I didn't deliver it well, but he did.

960
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,840
Well, yeah, because he's a fucking man.

961
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,840
God damn professional.

962
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,840
That guy, yeah, you give him whatever and he knows how to he knows how to work it.

963
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,840
God, I love Samuel in this.

964
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:52,840
But like his whole makeup situation was so distracting to me.

965
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:58,840
It was really hard for me to ever like not be paying attention to this, like seemingly

966
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,840
to pay it on.

967
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:11,840
And then he just has like this weird makeup because they're yeah, because they don't use

968
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,840
the like Irishman de-aging technology.

969
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,840
They just like to go with Phil and almost look like they did with Phil.

970
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:19,840
Really?

971
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,840
I just think that guy just is a good looking dude that just hasn't really aged at all.

972
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:24,840
Yeah.

973
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,840
They just use the same amount of makeup on him and it just worked really well.

974
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,840
And it just works really well.

975
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:29,840
Yeah.

976
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:30,840
No.

977
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,840
Well, I mean, obviously they're also like fairly different in age.

978
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,840
I would assume that they're probably like 15 years difference in age or whatever.

979
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:39,840
Yeah, it's fair.

980
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:40,840
Like.

981
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:47,840
Yeah, it just it was just always so fucking distracting where because like I've seen

982
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,840
like Pulp Fiction, I don't know, a gazillion times or whatever.

983
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:57,840
So I'm familiar with like what his look is at this point in his life.

984
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,840
And that's the thing that's a problem for me with the way that they approach the de-aging

985
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,840
for him is like, oh, man, such an incredible like Jules.

986
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,840
If he lived his life, I would have loved it.

987
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,840
But instead, we got this like really kind of like scary like it always just to me comes

988
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:22,840
off as like an old man trying to be a young man, like like almost like the joke of never

989
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,840
been kissed of like, you know, every, you know, the movie wants you to believe, oh,

990
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,840
yeah, we're totally pulling off that he's a younger man, but he's actually older.

991
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,840
But you just clearly see that this is like an older man and you've just like dolled him

992
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,840
up and it just looks like the Steve Buscemi meme, right?

993
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,840
Like, what's up, fellow kids?

994
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,840
Right.

995
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:48,840
Or we just recently saw not another teen movie in that whole bit.

996
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,840
Like, yeah, the really old woman being like, it's pretty good.

997
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:53,840
It's pretty good.

998
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:54,840
It's it's pretty good.

999
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:55,840
It's funny.

1000
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,840
And then the whole makeout scene with her is just insane.

1001
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:05,840
Can I just say like, just as a concept, like this kind of superhero isn't really my cup

1002
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:06,840
of tea.

1003
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:07,840
Yeah, I agree.

1004
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:14,840
Like fly and like shoot fucking energy blasts out of their fists and just impervious to

1005
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,840
everything, which is what she becomes by the end of this.

1006
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,840
And that's just like not super interesting and just getting blasted by nuclear blast.

1007
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:27,840
Like, I don't know, just doesn't doesn't do it for me too much.

1008
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,840
No.

1009
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:34,840
And like that to me is the fairest criticism from all the trolls out there is like, I yeah,

1010
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:35,840
you know what?

1011
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:43,240
I can sympathize with this issue by and large that Marvel will always have where you have

1012
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:50,080
to establish who's more powerful than who, because you need to understand power levels

1013
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,240
in order for battles to happen.

1014
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:56,040
And like that's by and large, like what you're always kind of working towards is like people

1015
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,840
fighting against each other.

1016
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,600
And so you have to establish like what level of power people have.

1017
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:11,080
And a lot of criticism is, is that she is to your point, is this kind of amorphous power

1018
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,360
of light beams that are just able to disintegrate.

1019
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,880
I don't know if there's a problem with it.

1020
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,080
It's just like uninteresting for me, and maybe people do have like that.

1021
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,080
Yeah.

1022
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,920
Seeing the power fantasy of just being able to just blast off into space and take down

1023
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,640
a whole fucking ship and by like, you know, just flying through it.

1024
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,600
But then how do you raise the ceiling from that?

1025
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:33,600
Yeah, I don't know.

1026
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,600
Yeah, absolutely.

1027
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:35,600
No, it's impossible.

1028
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:36,600
Really.

1029
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:41,360
You kind of, you know, paint yourself into a box where you're like, because I remember

1030
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:47,320
with Endgame coming out and this movie in the press about it with Kevin Feige, right?

1031
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Kevin Feige.

1032
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,320
Yeah.

1033
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:55,040
Talking about how he is.

1034
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:00,020
His whole thing is Captain Marvel is the strongest superhero out of all of them.

1035
00:58:00,020 --> 00:58:03,560
And that's the direction he wants to take the universe is he wants to take it with a,

1036
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,640
you know, a female that is the strongest character.

1037
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,920
This is what the future of Marvel is going to look like.

1038
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,960
And I think that it's clear that this is what the future внешwe Nous basically interested

1039
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,960
in.

1040
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,320
Uh, N thinking about the future of the universe and awful wynwu,lya dashboard.

1041
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:24,960
Everything that seems special about spectrum checkout looks like it's just one of those

1042
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,780
pieces of sketch that we 120 raveled it.

1043
00:58:29,780 --> 00:58:36,960
When ruok rolls up and goes leaning the nerf, track them down, I feel like that was elsewhere,

1044
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,720
I blow ice, sea breath and that's what he's got.

1045
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,120
What else?

1046
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,720
He's just like in the middle.

1047
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,000
He's got this kryptonite, you know, that's that's his thing.

1048
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,800
But I guess Captain Marvel, I'm not I'm not sure what hers is.

1049
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,000
But right. Like what is it? Yeah.

1050
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,140
And that's another issue of this, too.

1051
00:58:53,140 --> 00:58:55,680
I'm glad you brought this up, because like that's another issue

1052
00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:58,480
with this character as well.

1053
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:03,120
Fundamentally, is that it just this there's no real stakes in this movie.

1054
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:08,760
It just it seems so like it, even though it doesn't reference

1055
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,500
like those Marvel cinematic, the MCU.

1056
00:59:13,340 --> 00:59:15,140
MCU.

1057
00:59:16,300 --> 00:59:20,800
MCU, even though it doesn't reference all those things like it,

1058
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,680
like throughout it, you can feel like it just is a part of something else.

1059
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,220
It doesn't it's a hard time like standing on its own completely

1060
00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:31,480
because you can tell, like it's just.

1061
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,860
I mean, not only the beginning of the movie and how it's just

1062
00:59:34,860 --> 00:59:37,120
you just pick up into the middle of something,

1063
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,200
but a lot of it feels like it's

1064
00:59:41,860 --> 00:59:45,240
doesn't have time to be getting to the important stuff.

1065
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,400
Sure. Just even in the pacing of it, which makes sense with it being

1066
00:59:50,740 --> 00:59:55,040
in between arguably like their two most important movies ever as.

1067
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,040
Yeah, you know, which is a real.

1068
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,880
Problem that this movie inherently has built into it.

1069
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,320
Is that we are at the height of Marvel right now,

1070
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,180
and this just seems like taking the wind out of the sails,

1071
01:00:08,420 --> 01:00:12,820
pumping the brakes, just doing this whole like really letting the gas

1072
01:00:12,820 --> 01:00:17,560
out of the balloon in the middle of the pen, ultimate height of Marvel.

1073
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,060
Because I just honestly, the way that I've seen these movies go

1074
01:00:20,060 --> 01:00:23,860
from here on out after Endgame, I don't I don't know if they'll ever get back there.

1075
01:00:23,860 --> 01:00:25,600
To what like. No, I don't know.

1076
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:31,940
I don't think so. And you know, and it's a war and gets like they fucking did it,

1077
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:35,880
did like just, you know, let it let it. You mean like what is

1078
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,620
I would love to see what the gross is of the like end game.

1079
01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:43,820
It's like three billion dollars or some fucking wild ass shit, right?

1080
01:00:44,260 --> 01:00:46,580
Yeah. And I mean, they you did it.

1081
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:49,700
Spider-Man stuff like they're they're still having their their pops

1082
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:51,700
and their and their moments and everything, too. But

1083
01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:55,740
they did it and it just hasn't been as interesting since that that moment as well.

1084
01:00:56,420 --> 01:00:58,720
That was like the height of it in my mind.

1085
01:00:59,180 --> 01:01:04,860
And this came right in between it and rode in, I feel like a little bit on the coattails.

1086
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,520
But oh, yeah, because this movie was very successful,

1087
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,100
but it couldn't really alter too much with the world and everything, too,

1088
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:17,060
because it is the world is beholden to a lot of other stuff going on.

1089
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,540
And yeah, I know it's like I feel like also to a degree,

1090
01:01:20,540 --> 01:01:25,040
like also to address like the powers and everything, like I've I have liked

1091
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:26,880
some movies that feature people.

1092
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,340
I know Thor is Ragnarok is one of my favorites.

1093
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,980
If I had to pick out of all these Marvel movies, like maybe that one is my favorite.

1094
01:01:33,980 --> 01:01:35,160
And that's not like a hot take.

1095
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,580
I feel like it's a lot of people. Do you rank like your top three?

1096
01:01:38,860 --> 01:01:41,420
Yeah, I mean, I like that one. I liked Infinity War.

1097
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,700
I thought that was like amazing.

1098
01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:50,240
Just having them like writing a screenplay and incorporating all those character

1099
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,120
characters and I like that.

1100
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:56,420
I thought it was so cool that it ended with Thanos winning.

1101
01:01:56,420 --> 01:01:57,180
Winning. Yeah.

1102
01:01:57,180 --> 01:01:58,620
I was like, oh, wow, this is cool.

1103
01:01:58,620 --> 01:02:03,400
Like in a very popular movie to like fucking just kill off half of the characters

1104
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,060
and then, you know, and then go into an end game is good.

1105
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,960
Yeah, maybe like those two like together, I think is quite the feat.

1106
01:02:11,060 --> 01:02:15,640
But running through a great minor, very similar, I would say.

1107
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,840
First Iron Man is good.

1108
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,000
Yeah. But now in comparison,

1109
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,620
yeah, I mean, my top three would be, yeah, it'd be Thor,

1110
01:02:23,620 --> 01:02:27,280
Ragnarok, Guardians of the Galaxy one and Infinity War.

1111
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,220
Yeah, the Guardians movies have always been pretty solid.

1112
01:02:31,420 --> 01:02:34,860
Yeah, one in particular for me was I didn't really care too much for two

1113
01:02:34,860 --> 01:02:37,820
because I just thought the because another problem,

1114
01:02:37,820 --> 01:02:41,140
and I'm sure I've expressed this before that I always have with these Marvel movies

1115
01:02:41,140 --> 01:02:45,560
is that I'm just so fatigued and really don't care and get so checked out

1116
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,380
when the whole universe or the world is at stake.

1117
01:02:49,380 --> 01:02:52,580
Yeah, because it's just too it's it's too much.

1118
01:02:52,580 --> 01:02:53,720
It's always like.

1119
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,680
Mm hmm. Right.

1120
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,260
Yeah. OK. All right.

1121
01:02:57,260 --> 01:02:59,920
I yeah, I don't know. It just bores me. So yeah.

1122
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,660
Yeah. And I feel like that they've realized

1123
01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:08,340
they've tried to work around in different ways.

1124
01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:14,400
And even in this, they're trying to work around a typical origin story.

1125
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:18,500
I feel like and that's been something that was played out

1126
01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:21,340
at this point in 2019 when this movie came out

1127
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,040
and they're trying to figure out a new way to introduce a character

1128
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,580
in their own movie and have it fit right in the universe.

1129
01:03:28,580 --> 01:03:31,460
And yeah, just you like you're saying is like kind of write yourself

1130
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:35,860
into a corner over what what can be possible with this kind of character.

1131
01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:39,460
And then I remember, yeah, even in end game where everyone's like, well,

1132
01:03:39,860 --> 01:03:42,460
you brought in this Captain Marvel person like where is she?

1133
01:03:42,460 --> 01:03:45,800
She just says she's like off doing other bullshit in the universe.

1134
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,280
And she's like not even there for some of it, because she's like,

1135
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,880
I got other stuff to deal with, like half the half the fucking population

1136
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,520
of not just your galaxy, but the universe is gone.

1137
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:56,820
And I got to deal with other stuff.

1138
01:03:56,820 --> 01:03:59,220
You're not the most important planet.

1139
01:03:59,220 --> 01:04:01,120
And then she just comes in, which is right.

1140
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,620
How like, I guess.

1141
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:05,120
You know what?

1142
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,620
This movie, like where it sits and everything and made me think of is

1143
01:04:09,620 --> 01:04:15,600
is and maybe you can relate is in anime.

1144
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,800
I know I'm not a huge anime guy, but I've seen enough of it,

1145
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,740
I would say, which is very little in comparison, I'm sure, to most people.

1146
01:04:21,980 --> 01:04:27,780
But like I I'm familiar with the concept of the episode

1147
01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:34,580
before the like end of an arc or like the big resolution of of a major story

1148
01:04:35,460 --> 01:04:40,120
will be like very introspective or could go back in time

1149
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,860
and just like focus on like a specific point

1150
01:04:43,860 --> 01:04:49,220
in the main characters life that is important

1151
01:04:49,220 --> 01:04:55,100
to how they're going to be able to overcome the big bad in the next episode.

1152
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:56,240
And I've seen that happen.

1153
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,600
Like what comes to mind, I feel like is in Avatar, the last airbender

1154
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:05,380
before they get to the all the conclusion of all the fire kingdom stuff.

1155
01:05:05,380 --> 01:05:06,280
I was just thinking about that show.

1156
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:07,780
You're talking about having that sign.

1157
01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:11,820
Right. It just like it like takes a beat on an episode and just goes,

1158
01:05:11,820 --> 01:05:15,020
we're going to just bring it super, super small.

1159
01:05:15,020 --> 01:05:17,420
Where they go on vacation on the island.

1160
01:05:17,420 --> 01:05:20,860
Mm hmm. And just really like minimize things.

1161
01:05:20,860 --> 01:05:24,400
And then there's like a focus on a puppet show that shows like a rehash

1162
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,300
of everything that's happened in the show.

1163
01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:28,800
It's great. Exactly. That show.

1164
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:29,800
Yeah, absolutely.

1165
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,600
And so I I feel like that this

1166
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,840
might have ribbed a little bit of like that idea

1167
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,680
of not focusing by and large on what is been happening

1168
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,720
and just really focus on her story.

1169
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,180
But it just doesn't come off as effective.

1170
01:05:50,380 --> 01:05:54,080
And I'm kind of curious now presenting that idea to you is like how why

1171
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,020
why don't you think that this is effective in

1172
01:05:58,020 --> 01:06:02,900
talking about something specific to how end game ends up like resolving itself

1173
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:05,440
or like how that whole arc resolves itself?

1174
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,100
Because I just feel like.

1175
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:14,100
It it doesn't speak to a character that is important

1176
01:06:14,900 --> 01:06:18,880
and that we just got introduced to doesn't really like it.

1177
01:06:19,020 --> 01:06:22,120
It doesn't really apply to stuff, but also to fundamentally

1178
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,920
what this story is about isn't relative to the bigger thing.

1179
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:30,080
Like, wouldn't this have been more interesting if instead of like focusing

1180
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,660
on the dynamic between the three and the scrolls,

1181
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:37,000
it was focusing on like heroes,

1182
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:41,340
which it kind of touches on, but like a supernatural hero

1183
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:45,440
starting like and because this is because technically she's like

1184
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,300
the first Avenger, right?

1185
01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:49,880
And I remember it kind of being billed as that.

1186
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:54,480
But this movie doesn't execute on that first Avenger idea really well.

1187
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,020
And I think that could have been the tie in and why they thought

1188
01:06:58,020 --> 01:07:03,020
it was a good idea to put her in between these two to like kind of level set of

1189
01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:04,720
like, here's the first Avenger.

1190
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,360
We've just gone through all of the Avengers coming together.

1191
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:12,100
Now we're going to, you know, take it back like an anime and go to the first Avenger.

1192
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:14,840
But it just doesn't it just isn't effective.

1193
01:07:14,860 --> 01:07:18,680
Yeah, it seems like they more just frayed it even more into a big.

1194
01:07:18,700 --> 01:07:23,740
Yeah, they just expand the universe more so than then close some loopholes

1195
01:07:23,740 --> 01:07:25,740
and address some things that have happened in the past,

1196
01:07:25,740 --> 01:07:29,680
which would be fun and interesting, especially when you go into a time period of

1197
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:34,260
the 90s and and you got Samuel L. Jackson and Phil there.

1198
01:07:34,260 --> 01:07:39,260
But I think it would be too complicated and it would.

1199
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,700
I'm sure the Russo brothers are just kind of like,

1200
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:46,800
this is the limitations of what you can do with this movie in between everything.

1201
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,600
And all that it does really set up in endgame is kind of just a day.

1202
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:56,100
SX Machina from my memory, because she just shows up at the very end

1203
01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:59,540
and and also almost at all and just fucks everything up.

1204
01:07:59,540 --> 01:08:03,080
I mean, obviously there's the snap and all that all that shit and there's more to it.

1205
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:07,580
But that's that was the setup for her and endgame.

1206
01:08:07,580 --> 01:08:10,620
And like, I don't know, it could be fine as well.

1207
01:08:10,620 --> 01:08:13,920
But just how how it bodes for this movie just doesn't feel.

1208
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:19,600
And I think for overall, for a lot of the Marvel movies that don't work super well is

1209
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,100
when it's just doesn't stand on its own well enough.

1210
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:25,200
This one for different reasons.

1211
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,980
Some of the other ones are beholden to what is happening in other stories.

1212
01:08:28,980 --> 01:08:31,980
Like I even like multiverse of madness.

1213
01:08:31,980 --> 01:08:38,480
I thought that one was like at least different enough to be fun and interesting at parts.

1214
01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:42,760
But even then that could suffer the biggest issue of that,

1215
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:47,160
of being beholden to both WandaVision and and all that shit.

1216
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,960
WandaVision and and I know, yeah.

1217
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,860
And whatever doctors train like, I guess it was mainly WandaVision

1218
01:08:52,860 --> 01:08:55,740
that was the main thing that you had to like get into first.

1219
01:08:57,500 --> 01:09:01,740
And even like, I know the weird Ant-Man movie, I think, like I think that

1220
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,740
and I don't know how big of a party was, but even that he shows up in like

1221
01:09:04,740 --> 01:09:08,940
the Loki show. And so it's just that sort of stuff gets to be a drag.

1222
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,620
This one came right at the tail tail end

1223
01:09:12,620 --> 01:09:19,600
and putting it within that structure doesn't fully work with as well as some of the other ones do.

1224
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,700
And alone, it doesn't either.

1225
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:24,640
I just say for me, it's the structure. For me, it's the structure.

1226
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,540
It's the dialogue. It's a screenplay.

1227
01:09:26,540 --> 01:09:31,240
It's and then when you put it piece it together back in your mind, it doesn't.

1228
01:09:32,940 --> 01:09:35,040
Come off as original or interesting.

1229
01:09:36,820 --> 01:09:38,720
Yeah, I mean, yes, I agree.

1230
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:39,980
I agree with you, James.

1231
01:09:39,980 --> 01:09:41,080
We can take a beat on that.

1232
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:45,820
Like I think overall, the direction, though, I think there's a lot of cool places

1233
01:09:45,820 --> 01:09:47,320
the camera goes in this.

1234
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,960
And I think the director is a really competent director.

1235
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,240
I don't think anybody is a bad actor in this, but I agree with you

1236
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:55,740
that it is always a problem.

1237
01:09:55,740 --> 01:09:58,540
Like I like multiverse and madness to a degree.

1238
01:09:58,740 --> 01:10:03,740
But like the stuff that I don't like is all the needing to connect to other shit stuff.

1239
01:10:04,380 --> 01:10:08,440
Like the very beginning of it that goes into that really ugly, like

1240
01:10:08,440 --> 01:10:13,480
other world shit that they were like bouncing through in the CGI bullshit.

1241
01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:17,360
Hate that. But the second we get back into Sam Raimi, New York

1242
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,320
and they're fighting a monster. Love it.

1243
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:23,260
The horror stuff we've talked about it, the fight between the music fight

1244
01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:25,860
between two Dr. Stranges. Awesome.

1245
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:32,140
And then the scenes where where Wanda is like essentially like evil dead

1246
01:10:32,140 --> 01:10:36,500
and she's like haunting a doctor strange. Love it.

1247
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:38,780
But then we have to do Captain.

1248
01:10:38,780 --> 01:10:41,740
We have to do Fantastic Four. We have to do the multiverse.

1249
01:10:41,740 --> 01:10:47,220
We have to go, you know, have this the whoever the girl was did not care

1250
01:10:47,220 --> 01:10:51,220
not to say that she's a bad actress, but like I hated her character

1251
01:10:51,220 --> 01:10:53,220
because it was just like so.

1252
01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:56,020
Oh, it was. Yeah.

1253
01:10:56,020 --> 01:11:00,900
There was something about it that it was like we need her to be important here

1254
01:11:00,900 --> 01:11:03,300
so we can have her be important somewhere else.

1255
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:04,300
And that just drives me.

1256
01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:07,660
I mean, that's what that opening was as well was setting that up

1257
01:11:07,660 --> 01:11:09,440
in a very hamfisted way.

1258
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:13,980
And this one and you can feel the foreshadowing

1259
01:11:13,980 --> 01:11:16,820
and a lot of these movies are just like wink, wink.

1260
01:11:16,820 --> 01:11:19,080
This is going to be something later.

1261
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,680
And you always watch out.

1262
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,460
You watch the end credit or the mid credit and stuff like that.

1263
01:11:25,060 --> 01:11:28,360
Yeah, I kind of yeah, I kind of forget, but I guess we'll

1264
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,300
we'll kind of go through these endings, ending parts.

1265
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:35,060
And then once you got something else, sorry, I just.

1266
01:11:35,060 --> 01:11:38,000
Oh, no, I was just the just a girl thing was rough.

1267
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,980
I didn't I didn't really care for it very much.

1268
01:11:39,980 --> 01:11:43,680
It just ends in that the energy blast with like the because this

1269
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,340
that's what's so fucking it's just sorry.

1270
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,820
Jesus, you're getting

1271
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,020
it's not even real.

1272
01:11:51,020 --> 01:11:55,380
They're in like she's in like this room talking to a fucking construct of

1273
01:11:55,820 --> 01:11:59,160
someone that's not even like it's not even a real thing.

1274
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:00,220
It's like.

1275
01:12:00,220 --> 01:12:02,620
I love it. It's physically.

1276
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,680
Oh, yeah, she's great. And she and it's fun.

1277
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,960
She's like doing well, doing the evil side and the good and like the other.

1278
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,060
Yeah, yeah, all good.

1279
01:12:10,060 --> 01:12:15,000
But the fact that it fucking devolves into just shooting a green

1280
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,760
like she just puts her hand up and just throws like you movie like

1281
01:12:20,460 --> 01:12:23,400
it's a construct to make her her feel more comfortable.

1282
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,140
Like this is just the form I take.

1283
01:12:25,140 --> 01:12:28,540
Then why are you shooting green blasts to make her feel more comfortable

1284
01:12:28,540 --> 01:12:33,120
like about you attacking her, like change into a big scary form

1285
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,320
to really fucking I don't know if you could do any like what is like

1286
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,220
green blasts in that room mean it just meant nothing.

1287
01:12:39,220 --> 01:12:42,880
And it was like the most important scene in the movie, like the climactic

1288
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:47,560
like battle like with the ultimate bad that was even lording over

1289
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:52,360
Joolan idea of like an AI fucking like ruling the Cree.

1290
01:12:52,700 --> 01:12:56,540
There's some cool again, there's more cool stuff within the Cree to be

1291
01:12:56,540 --> 01:13:00,380
to be had, but there's like being ruled by this robot or AI.

1292
01:13:00,380 --> 01:13:02,120
Like that's that's interesting.

1293
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,680
But no, no, not the concept's interesting.

1294
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,320
But what is presented in this movie is not interesting.

1295
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,060
Let me show you the strength of my power.

1296
01:13:10,060 --> 01:13:12,200
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

1297
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:13,200
And then she's just like,

1298
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,200
hey, remember, remember, and they just both do the same thing at each other.

1299
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,100
And like, how are you equating power?

1300
01:13:18,100 --> 01:13:21,100
You guys are just vastly different beings.

1301
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:24,500
How do you both devolve into shooting blasts out of your hands?

1302
01:13:24,500 --> 01:13:27,440
You don't even have hands. You wrote you AI.

1303
01:13:28,780 --> 01:13:30,980
All right. That's all I wanted to say about that.

1304
01:13:30,980 --> 01:13:33,880
She. Wow. You got jazzed up.

1305
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:40,020
Funny. What were the end credit things was?

1306
01:13:42,380 --> 01:13:45,860
What were they? I'm trying to remember.

1307
01:13:45,860 --> 01:13:48,860
Yeah. So the first one is her giving

1308
01:13:48,860 --> 01:13:54,200
a Nick Fury, the little doodad that is like the pager,

1309
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,600
which he uses at the end of Infinity War. Right.

1310
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,100
And then the second one is the Gus,

1311
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:06,340
the cat coughing up the Tesseract goose.

1312
01:14:06,380 --> 01:14:07,980
Yeah. Goose. The goose.

1313
01:14:07,980 --> 01:14:10,620
What is the fucking thing called?

1314
01:14:10,620 --> 01:14:12,920
The. Yeah, whatever.

1315
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:19,060
Yeah, that that was a funny bit, though, where Goose is like.

1316
01:14:19,060 --> 01:14:22,300
They what they like, something about they get captured

1317
01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:25,000
and they register the cat and they're like this.

1318
01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:29,300
The threat level is like high on the cat and then they scan Nick Fury

1319
01:14:29,300 --> 01:14:31,540
and it's like really low, nonexistent.

1320
01:14:31,540 --> 01:14:36,100
And then and then, yeah, you figure out like it's like not cracking,

1321
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:38,180
but like something to that effect. Right.

1322
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,020
You want to look it up? Yeah, sure.

1323
01:14:41,020 --> 01:14:44,520
I can find out real quick. It's.

1324
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,960
Because it just shoots out those like and it's going to be in that

1325
01:14:49,460 --> 01:14:52,720
tentacles and stuff, yeah, tentacles and it eats, eats, characters.

1326
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:54,600
The alien cat.

1327
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,160
And then I was joking about it on your stream about how.

1328
01:14:57,460 --> 01:14:59,600
Yeah. Then the head of Marvell.

1329
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:05,180
What is it? The scroll don't like cats.

1330
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:10,780
Yeah. And also Brie Larson.

1331
01:15:10,780 --> 01:15:13,820
Yeah. Does not like cats and didn't want to be near the cat

1332
01:15:13,820 --> 01:15:16,420
when it was when they were filming.

1333
01:15:16,420 --> 01:15:17,960
Oh, that's like a personal thing.

1334
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:22,920
Oh, I know she doesn't like cats as a personal like thing as an actress.

1335
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:24,820
Well, interesting.

1336
01:15:24,820 --> 01:15:27,300
She doesn't like one of your own cats.

1337
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:29,100
Oh, I wonder why.

1338
01:15:32,140 --> 01:15:36,740
Yeah. And then Nick Fury loses his eye and now it's just so cute.

1339
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:37,640
What do you know?

1340
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,940
Now I know I can now I'm going to just write on.

1341
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:45,980
You know what? Cardboard.

1342
01:15:45,980 --> 01:15:48,780
That's like before we get into some of this, I mean, I guess I'd be a good time

1343
01:15:48,780 --> 01:15:52,760
to say and I'll just like just do a bridge version where it just

1344
01:15:53,020 --> 01:15:56,100
this movie is a prime example of review bombing.

1345
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,160
And that was a big deal when it was coming out.

1346
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,600
And it had a lot to do with stuff that Brie Larson said

1347
01:16:03,700 --> 01:16:06,560
about wanting

1348
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,900
film critics to be more diverse and have have more people of color.

1349
01:16:11,780 --> 01:16:13,840
Well, I didn't know that. OK.

1350
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,540
And she was speaking.

1351
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:18,140
This was during Wrinkle in Time.

1352
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:19,620
And she said something of the effect.

1353
01:16:19,620 --> 01:16:21,880
And I might be I should probably just pull up the actual quote,

1354
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,860
but the essentially was like, oh, I like she's she's

1355
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,420
not interested, not interested in what a bunch of 40 year old

1356
01:16:29,420 --> 01:16:32,760
white guys think about this movie and wants to hear more about

1357
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:37,300
and hear more from people of color and different diversity.

1358
01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:41,440
And she went on to say, like, no, I don't hate white, white guys or anything.

1359
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:45,040
Just she she was pushing for more diversity in film criticism.

1360
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:47,240
And that was something that she came out with.

1361
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:51,360
And this was right before Captain Marvel was coming out.

1362
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:56,260
I think this was after Wrinkle in Time and all these guys

1363
01:16:57,700 --> 01:17:00,960
that are like big fans of mine and stereotypically.

1364
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,940
So like our big fans of Marvel and everything like that

1365
01:17:04,940 --> 01:17:09,600
just like jumped on the hate train for her.

1366
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,540
And this was. Sure.

1367
01:17:12,540 --> 01:17:17,020
After the time of Last Jedi, another movie that we talked about

1368
01:17:17,420 --> 01:17:21,380
and like Ghostbusters, like the Kristen Wiig and

1369
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,020
Kate McKinnon and Leslie Jones

1370
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,520
was Melissa McCarthy, Ghostbusters.

1371
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:34,960
Yeah, you know, the like the lead up to to that movie and everything

1372
01:17:35,460 --> 01:17:40,540
actually affected something that we hold very dear here on polarized.

1373
01:17:40,540 --> 01:17:42,700
The Ron Tomatoes

1374
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:46,540
algorithm, well, not the algorithm, but the structure of how they

1375
01:17:46,980 --> 01:17:52,040
have their site set up where after some of those bad reviews

1376
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,720
and leading up to Captain Marvel, they started to get in a lot of these

1377
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,820
review bombs of people that had not seen the movie because they were getting

1378
01:17:58,820 --> 01:17:59,960
their press screenings out.

1379
01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:02,160
So there was they opened it up

1380
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,420
after press screenings like they normally do.

1381
01:18:04,420 --> 01:18:07,560
User scores started getting review bombed by people that haven't even seen it

1382
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:10,260
and saying a lot of hateful things towards Brie Larson and things

1383
01:18:10,260 --> 01:18:14,700
that had nothing to do with the movie and because they hadn't seen it yet.

1384
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,300
And so now they changed it after that.

1385
01:18:17,300 --> 01:18:21,640
So now you can only review after the movie has come out.

1386
01:18:22,580 --> 01:18:24,980
And then you can review bomb as much as you want.

1387
01:18:24,980 --> 01:18:29,720
But that was this is a really good example of it being a polarizing movie

1388
01:18:30,260 --> 01:18:32,260
even before it came out.

1389
01:18:33,300 --> 01:18:39,100
And people using using it to make their points about other things as well

1390
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:43,800
and voicing their opinions about someone that plays a part in the movie

1391
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:47,500
the same way like Kelly Marie Tran played a part in Last Jedi.

1392
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,180
And people, you know, went after her so hard, she like shut off her Instagram

1393
01:18:52,180 --> 01:18:58,020
and because people just can't determine fiction from reality, I guess.

1394
01:18:58,380 --> 01:19:02,720
And, you know, even I was reading something about like someone hacking.

1395
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,520
Leslie is Leslie Jones.

1396
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:05,960
Is that from SNL?

1397
01:19:07,220 --> 01:19:11,200
Yeah, from in Ghostbusters, because people were just pissed off about

1398
01:19:11,700 --> 01:19:15,500
about Ghostbusters, so they like Hector and release information,

1399
01:19:15,500 --> 01:19:19,040
information, private information and stuff like that.

1400
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,340
It just frustrates me a lot.

1401
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:23,940
Me too, man.

1402
01:19:23,940 --> 01:19:28,820
I was really frustrated coming into this by a bunch of things, because also, too,

1403
01:19:28,820 --> 01:19:32,720
we're in the middle of a writer and actor strike and there's just been so much

1404
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:37,520
shit that's been coming out that is just so incredibly frustrating about the way

1405
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,320
movies are made, movie culture and all of that.

1406
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:45,360
I canceled my Netflix subscription the other day and just I'm getting so fucking

1407
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:50,140
sick and tired of, yeah, just I don't know the way that culture

1408
01:19:50,140 --> 01:19:53,600
and the way that businesses run regarding movies.

1409
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:54,640
And yeah, like.

1410
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,440
Say what you say, what you will about some of these movies that we've talked

1411
01:19:58,440 --> 01:20:04,280
about that are female led, it just is so like clear what is happening.

1412
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:09,260
And it's such a terrible look for anybody involved in doing that, where

1413
01:20:09,420 --> 01:20:13,160
I was looking at some of the most poorly reviewed Marvel movies, but I was like,

1414
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:17,860
what's some of the most poorly reviewed Marvel movies and the top two are

1415
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:19,900
Captain Marvel and Black Widow?

1416
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,800
Like, what does that say about your culture?

1417
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:29,100
Is that you're mainly comprised of men that are really angry about

1418
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:37,180
not being represented, even though you're represented everywhere else.

1419
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,280
Like you just can't, I don't know.

1420
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,140
You just can't be beside yourself.

1421
01:20:43,140 --> 01:20:46,920
And yeah, the same goes for all those fucking ghoulish CEOs.

1422
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,480
It's like you just like.

1423
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:51,380
Where is your humanity?

1424
01:20:51,380 --> 01:20:56,360
Where is your like somebody may like this and it's not for me, but that's OK.

1425
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,860
You just feel so compelled to like go out there and be like,

1426
01:21:01,460 --> 01:21:05,740
no, I think I know the right answer and everybody needs to fucking hear about

1427
01:21:05,860 --> 01:21:08,200
how I have the right answer to this problem.

1428
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,840
And if you don't agree with me, then you're a fucking idiot.

1429
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,080
It's like you just move on.

1430
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:14,980
It's like, yeah, maybe I'll watch this other movie.

1431
01:21:14,980 --> 01:21:16,280
Maybe I like a lot more.

1432
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,740
But in my mind, they're all very similar.

1433
01:21:19,140 --> 01:21:21,920
This one is like, oh, my God, very similar to the rest.

1434
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,920
Like I'm it just that's what makes it so funny to me.

1435
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,660
Like they're like the reasons for hating it just like.

1436
01:21:29,060 --> 01:21:32,060
What? Because they're exactly the same as all the other.

1437
01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:35,260
I just felt fine.

1438
01:21:35,260 --> 01:21:37,300
I don't know. They're all just

1439
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:40,840
in this one just structured a little differently with some poopy dialogue and stuff.

1440
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,600
But it's like you you know what to expect.

1441
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,840
It's delivering the things that you would hate about it seem more about you

1442
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:48,640
than about the movie.

1443
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,420
Right. It's like it's like a dog whistle

1444
01:21:51,420 --> 01:21:55,980
ass shit that we've just seen now so prevalent amongst internet groups

1445
01:21:55,980 --> 01:22:00,620
where they just like voice their opinion in a particular way

1446
01:22:00,620 --> 01:22:04,160
that really just communicates an agenda.

1447
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:08,260
And that agenda is like really fucking weird and fucked up like.

1448
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:14,600
Because all of you bombing this movie just means that you are afraid

1449
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:19,340
of change fundamentally is like you're mad that women

1450
01:22:19,340 --> 01:22:24,680
are in movies in a leading role almost more than what the movie is.

1451
01:22:24,980 --> 01:22:28,280
Because again, it's not like because it's a terrible actress.

1452
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:31,360
She's not. Why not come after the just the dialogue,

1453
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:35,460
which some of these other fucking Marvel movies, dialogue sucks, too.

1454
01:22:35,820 --> 01:22:36,860
Like, sure. Yeah.

1455
01:22:36,860 --> 01:22:40,120
Like, let's criticize dialogue and want better for that.

1456
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:46,060
But like. When you just go specifically after her, it really.

1457
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,540
Clearly communicates to anybody who has a brain,

1458
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,740
which is not the person who is reviewing this in this particular way,

1459
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,880
because they don't have a brain, because they're they'd have to be a moron

1460
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,680
to think that no one's going to see through their bullshit

1461
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,760
when they go out of their way to specifically

1462
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:10,260
criticize a woman in the role and really hone in on that.

1463
01:23:10,260 --> 01:23:14,860
It's like it makes me think of what was the other movie where,

1464
01:23:15,060 --> 01:23:17,560
you know, people would come out and go like.

1465
01:23:18,260 --> 01:23:20,360
It's not that I hate black people.

1466
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,040
I got a lot of black friends.

1467
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,780
Let me tell you about other black friends and other black actors that I like.

1468
01:23:25,780 --> 01:23:29,980
You know, I'm not a racist, but fuck this black person

1469
01:23:29,980 --> 01:23:32,560
because they're black when they should be white.

1470
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,780
It's like, dude, come on.

1471
01:23:34,780 --> 01:23:37,160
Like, like a little mermaid or something.

1472
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:40,920
I think it was for like Tinkerbell and Peter and Wendy or whatever.

1473
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:42,560
But like, yeah. Oh, yeah.

1474
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,000
We're talking about in pen and pen and Wendy.

1475
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,040
Yeah, like, oh, it's just it's. Yeah.

1476
01:23:48,340 --> 01:23:52,240
I mean, those are some of those are some of the reviews that we shed

1477
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:53,880
light on then, I think, as well.

1478
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:57,020
And I think it's just worthwhile talking about some of those darker

1479
01:23:57,020 --> 01:23:59,620
corners of the Internet and those people that reside there

1480
01:23:59,620 --> 01:24:03,860
and that feel like they have power to bring some of these things down

1481
01:24:03,860 --> 01:24:05,880
for reasons that don't again don't have to do with the movie.

1482
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,820
The movie hasn't come out yet for a lot of these review bombers.

1483
01:24:09,420 --> 01:24:13,960
And it's just pathetic because they use this as a pedestal

1484
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,360
to think that their opinion matters a bit more because they, yeah, they,

1485
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,740
you know, put their put it online in this in this aggregate

1486
01:24:21,740 --> 01:24:24,740
and think that that has some effect or whatever.

1487
01:24:24,740 --> 01:24:28,580
And you can see in like, yeah, and like I was looking at like

1488
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,140
how how steam does it in their their review system and everything

1489
01:24:32,140 --> 01:24:34,540
and how it's it's kind of charted.

1490
01:24:34,540 --> 01:24:37,760
It shows you how many hours played like recent.

1491
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,820
It shows you more like recent reviews and the trajectory of like

1492
01:24:41,780 --> 01:24:44,900
accounting for those big bursts of reviews

1493
01:24:44,900 --> 01:24:47,060
where it might not tell the whole story.

1494
01:24:47,060 --> 01:24:49,340
And IMDB kind of does that as well.

1495
01:24:49,340 --> 01:24:53,240
And so there's sites that are trying to counteract this sort of thing.

1496
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,340
And Letterboxd did essentially the same thing that Rotten Tomatoes did

1497
01:24:56,740 --> 01:24:58,940
when Rotten Tomatoes did it because it just wanted to,

1498
01:24:58,940 --> 01:25:01,180
you know, follow suit with just not.

1499
01:25:01,740 --> 01:25:03,140
They said this is a good.

1500
01:25:03,140 --> 01:25:06,640
Yeah, because it's like when you haven't seen the movie, why would you do it?

1501
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,380
I'm the fact that they didn't have it to begin with is me.

1502
01:25:09,380 --> 01:25:12,680
It just is a scathing indictment on these platforms.

1503
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,160
It's it's press release stuff.

1504
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:17,420
And then it would drum up like interest and everything before people see it.

1505
01:25:17,460 --> 01:25:18,720
But yeah, people abuse it.

1506
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,260
I'm sure that it's just abusing it for reasons that have nothing to do

1507
01:25:22,260 --> 01:25:23,440
with the content.

1508
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:25,800
And that was something that, yeah, there was another one

1509
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:27,300
that was like haywire as well.

1510
01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:32,040
That was that was one that was almost in the opposite direction.

1511
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,240
The opposite. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

1512
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:38,440
But to remind everyone, it is a 79 percent by critics, a 45 percent by audience.

1513
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,480
Do you want to take a break at all before we run through these reviews

1514
01:25:41,480 --> 01:25:43,960
and give our final opinion or should I just go for it?

1515
01:25:45,460 --> 01:25:48,060
I don't need a break unless you want one.

1516
01:25:48,060 --> 01:25:50,100
I'm good. Let's do it. Let's do it.

1517
01:25:51,100 --> 01:25:53,260
Let's check out some critic

1518
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,700
reviews here real quick from the 79

1519
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,400
percent range.

1520
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,900
You know, speaking of this change in rules,

1521
01:26:04,140 --> 01:26:07,840
it just blows me away how fucking moronic Microsoft continues

1522
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,880
to always be in almost everything that they do.

1523
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:14,320
But on Xbox Game Pass and they're like game marketplace,

1524
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,880
you don't have to have installed the game in order to give a review.

1525
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,620
So time and time again, people will go in there and just review

1526
01:26:22,620 --> 01:26:27,200
like wackadoodle shit and just review it negatively just because it's like

1527
01:26:27,420 --> 01:26:32,000
kind of what I would imagine is, yeah, like I'm I just imagine

1528
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:36,840
a fucking teenager like getting stoned and just being like,

1529
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:41,840
I'm going to just fucking review like right crazy shit on the Internet

1530
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:45,440
because I find it fun and you don't have to download the game

1531
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:48,380
and then it affects how like the reviews of stuff because like,

1532
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:52,340
you know, the reason why we do this and like I know that this is a good case

1533
01:26:52,340 --> 01:26:56,880
of not valuing the review system because it's not representative of the film.

1534
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:03,660
But it matters like I I'm guilty of it.

1535
01:27:03,660 --> 01:27:07,720
Like I will look at something and go just to consider the review.

1536
01:27:07,900 --> 01:27:10,600
Having done this podcast, I I'm not as a maker.

1537
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:12,040
Basing it. Yeah.

1538
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:13,100
Yeah, it doesn't make or break it.

1539
01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:15,160
But I mean, with video games, it's the same way as like,

1540
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,280
I'll just look at and go like, oh, if I had to choose how I spend

1541
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:22,380
my limited amount of time on this planet, I do want a little bit of information

1542
01:27:22,380 --> 01:27:24,540
to inform the decisions I make.

1543
01:27:24,540 --> 01:27:28,180
But if those those information places are totally fucked off,

1544
01:27:28,180 --> 01:27:30,020
it just sucks for all of us.

1545
01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:31,020
Doesn't tell the whole story.

1546
01:27:31,020 --> 01:27:35,760
And this is a story that, yeah, to add some some context and a movie

1547
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,660
that we floated around that I think we're never going to do.

1548
01:27:38,660 --> 01:27:42,400
That I'll just mention is Morbius and like a different way as well,

1549
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,740
where it's mean and then brought into a higher value

1550
01:27:46,740 --> 01:27:49,240
from users just as a fucking joke.

1551
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,780
And that's just yeah, that's another version of like review

1552
01:27:53,780 --> 01:27:57,080
bombing in a positive way because they're bombing and a lot of them

1553
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,620
not even seen and just wanting to write a funny review.

1554
01:28:00,380 --> 01:28:03,220
You've seen the movie. No.

1555
01:28:03,220 --> 01:28:07,080
We could do it sometime, but it's you said it's a it's a terrible movie

1556
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:11,060
to do that, like I'm so about like a movie being so bad that you meme on it.

1557
01:28:11,420 --> 01:28:14,820
Yeah. After after watching Best of the Worst the other day,

1558
01:28:14,820 --> 01:28:18,900
I put on Nick Schulte was over and I put on Stone Cold.

1559
01:28:18,940 --> 01:28:22,900
Hell, yeah. That movie fucking rips, but it's an awful movie. Oh, yeah.

1560
01:28:24,140 --> 01:28:25,300
Like, I don't know.

1561
01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:26,500
Make sure that's a great combo.

1562
01:28:26,500 --> 01:28:29,180
Do do weirdo reviews and shit for that movie.

1563
01:28:29,180 --> 01:28:31,320
But like, man, Morbius sucks.

1564
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,280
So Kenneth Turan gave it a 90 from the L.A.

1565
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:39,980
Times. He says, Watching Danvers story play out

1566
01:28:39,980 --> 01:28:44,160
complete with boggling plot twists and a scene stealing friendly feline.

1567
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,720
It's hugely entertaining and it can't be overemphasized.

1568
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,440
Now, how central Larson about to become the most recognized

1569
01:28:52,440 --> 01:28:54,840
woman on the planet is to the enterprise.

1570
01:28:55,740 --> 01:29:00,240
I thought they were going to say how much of Goose was going to become a.

1571
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:05,780
Oh, look out for Goose because he's going to blow up.

1572
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,120
He's a new guy. He's going to be the new guy.

1573
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:13,920
I feel you got to you got to you got a goose adjacent over there.

1574
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:14,660
Look at that little guy.

1575
01:29:14,660 --> 01:29:17,500
He's a Tucker little girl kitty kitty cat back there

1576
01:29:17,500 --> 01:29:20,400
and just lying next to my Totoro.

1577
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,660
Plushie and having a grand old time.

1578
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,560
Let's go on to.

1579
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,400
Variety Owen Gleiberman gave it a 90.

1580
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:32,720
Bowden and Flecker, low key American neorealists.

1581
01:29:33,060 --> 01:29:36,000
Whoa. Wow.

1582
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:42,000
And in Cassey, low key, not not Thor and the Captain Marvel.

1583
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,080
They barely retain a vestige of their signature style,

1584
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:49,040
yet they have brought off something exciting, embracing the Marvel house

1585
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:52,620
style and within that crafting a tile with enough tricks and moods

1586
01:29:52,620 --> 01:29:55,720
and slight of hand layers to keep us honestly absorbed.

1587
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,280
Sounds like someone trying to convince themselves they liked.

1588
01:29:58,280 --> 01:29:58,760
And.

1589
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,520
Travers Rolling Stone in 80, the film's low key.

1590
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,260
No fucking shit.

1591
01:30:07,260 --> 01:30:08,760
Peter Travers gave this good one.

1592
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,000
He says low key as well.

1593
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:15,840
Not Thor, the film's low key charm and quirky humor grow on you

1594
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,400
and create a rooting interest in what happens next.

1595
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,280
It doesn't take the supreme intelligence of the universe,

1596
01:30:19,580 --> 01:30:20,580
original Thor.

1597
01:30:20,580 --> 01:30:21,580
But it's not Thor.

1598
01:30:21,580 --> 01:30:22,580
It's not Thor.

1599
01:30:22,580 --> 01:30:23,580
It's not Thor.

1600
01:30:23,580 --> 01:30:24,580
It's not Thor.

1601
01:30:24,580 --> 01:30:26,440
It's not Thor.

1602
01:30:26,440 --> 01:30:28,420
Which he has mentioned in his homework,

1603
01:30:28,420 --> 01:30:30,180
he stood to witness,

1604
01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:31,180
as he he he.

1605
01:30:31,460 --> 01:30:33,780
When he he was playing when he was playing,

1606
01:30:33,780 --> 01:30:35,580
his heart went from breaking.

1607
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:53,440
was

1608
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:56,340
little picture like most of Bowden and Flex other work.

1609
01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:01,480
Like half Nelson.

1610
01:31:03,480 --> 01:31:08,320
Let's move on to audience reviews in the negative range.

1611
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:13,020
They did not care for this movie for reasons apart from the movie as well.

1612
01:31:13,020 --> 01:31:16,020
But let's let's check out some from Charlie.

1613
01:31:16,020 --> 01:31:18,500
Oh, gave it a one star out of five.

1614
01:31:19,900 --> 01:31:22,460
The worst Marvel movie in existence,

1615
01:31:22,460 --> 01:31:25,500
the writers behind this movie must have been working in a facility

1616
01:31:25,500 --> 01:31:28,340
with a gas leak because the script makes zero sense.

1617
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:32,200
An explosion that causes millennials to become the most powerful beings

1618
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:33,540
in the universe.

1619
01:31:33,540 --> 01:31:36,440
If this concept was true, wouldn't all of the people who were present

1620
01:31:36,440 --> 01:31:38,880
during nuclear blasts be superheroes?

1621
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,280
Bad casting, lackluster dialogue, horrendous story.

1622
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,580
There was an especially awful scene of our hero in a dream state

1623
01:31:45,580 --> 01:31:49,820
as Nirvana plays on vinyl to relax her and remind her of her childhood.

1624
01:31:49,820 --> 01:31:54,960
Maybe find a lead actress who was born before the grunge period ended

1625
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:59,260
a major flop from our favorite superhero filmmakers.

1626
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,100
So the qualification that it was from her childhood,

1627
01:32:06,740 --> 01:32:08,140
but that was I was just a song.

1628
01:32:08,140 --> 01:32:10,740
I didn't know it was trying to see it was from her childhood or something.

1629
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:14,580
Well, but that's also just like categorically doesn't make sense

1630
01:32:14,580 --> 01:32:20,280
because it's not like Chris Evans lived in World War Two or whatever. Like.

1631
01:32:22,180 --> 01:32:24,320
OK, you think you think fucking.

1632
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,860
Only listen to songs that are from your childhood.

1633
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,900
You can only listen to songs that were made while you were alive.

1634
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,200
Chris Hemsworth has been around for an internium.

1635
01:32:35,140 --> 01:32:37,340
I know all the songs.

1636
01:32:37,340 --> 01:32:39,900
People have to get cast.

1637
01:32:39,900 --> 01:32:45,140
They can only play characters that fuck off. Yeah, not even.

1638
01:32:46,820 --> 01:32:48,280
I'll just do it.

1639
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:51,660
The thing with these one star reviews is like they are all very long

1640
01:32:51,660 --> 01:32:53,120
because people are upset.

1641
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,920
So I'll just kind of touch on some from Queen Squid, one star out of five.

1642
01:32:57,420 --> 01:32:58,520
Very poorly directed.

1643
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,860
I mean, first of all, you have two directors.

1644
01:33:00,860 --> 01:33:03,260
If one isn't enough, that's a bad sign.

1645
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:07,240
Secondly, the two directors co-directed flops before this movie.

1646
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:09,940
That was a strange decision for Marvel.

1647
01:33:11,220 --> 01:33:13,780
I mean, the the Duffer Brothers.

1648
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:15,780
Yeah, or the Coen Brothers.

1649
01:33:15,780 --> 01:33:17,780
I mean, I don't know. There's a lot.

1650
01:33:17,780 --> 01:33:20,180
The softies talk to them softies.

1651
01:33:20,620 --> 01:33:24,300
Right. Wasn't it the Duffer brother who did the infinity war?

1652
01:33:25,020 --> 01:33:27,000
Oh, Russo's those Russo's.

1653
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,600
Yeah, brothers to. Yeah.

1654
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,960
Console your own MCU.

1655
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:37,800
Oh, an idiot from elongated man forever. One star.

1656
01:33:38,380 --> 01:33:41,580
I'm sorry, but this movie was complete utter trash to me.

1657
01:33:41,580 --> 01:33:44,220
Yeah, I made a million dollars, but that's because it was sandwiched

1658
01:33:44,440 --> 01:33:46,640
in between Infinity War and end game.

1659
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,880
This movie could have been a legend, but they had to get political

1660
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,980
and demonize anybody that didn't like the film

1661
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:55,860
and have cringe worthy scenes of men being evil

1662
01:33:56,300 --> 01:33:58,660
and persecute her because because her gender.

1663
01:33:58,660 --> 01:34:01,560
I'm sorry, that's not inspiring. It's cringey cancer.

1664
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,560
It makes me want to jump off a building and end it all.

1665
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:06,560
Please do.

1666
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:13,040
Why? Why do we need this BS and female led movies?

1667
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,800
Women are not all helpless victims.

1668
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,440
There are people with bright futures and opportunities.

1669
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:19,140
Oh, this guy's a feminist section.

1670
01:34:19,140 --> 01:34:24,220
Captain Marvel as a character is is terrible and she's unlikeable and and annoying.

1671
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:27,680
Oh, how oh how Black Widow was wrong.

1672
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,060
She could have gotten a movie first.

1673
01:34:31,620 --> 01:34:33,860
I love. Oh, how I love.

1674
01:34:33,860 --> 01:34:36,360
He's like, oh, how black when it was wrong.

1675
01:34:36,900 --> 01:34:41,900
She said she was fucking talking about where it's like, no, I'm not a sexist

1676
01:34:41,900 --> 01:34:45,300
because I like this. These women and women do.

1677
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,340
Yeah, I women do other things.

1678
01:34:47,340 --> 01:34:52,000
I'm going to white knight black knight black widow was wrong.

1679
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:53,440
She should have gotten the movie first.

1680
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:56,220
This movie was lame and forgettable, sad, very sad.

1681
01:34:56,220 --> 01:34:59,920
All the talk about female empowerment and feminism.

1682
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:02,520
This movie will be forgotten in someone's mind in just a day.

1683
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:06,420
I'm looking forward to Black Widow, the heroine we actually deserve

1684
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,860
and is a and is a complex, flawed, interesting character.

1685
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,160
Something Captain Marvel failed at.

1686
01:35:17,340 --> 01:35:19,540
I mean, none of the yeah, none of that really makes sense.

1687
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,140
People get heated and people get heated.

1688
01:35:22,140 --> 01:35:24,380
Let me see if there's one more.

1689
01:35:24,380 --> 01:35:27,340
And I hope they get so heated they have a fucking heart attack and die.

1690
01:35:27,340 --> 01:35:31,240
Like, yeah, I'm waiting to just read at the end like and also

1691
01:35:32,580 --> 01:35:33,580
like Monty Python.

1692
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:38,260
Oh, we lost another one.

1693
01:35:38,260 --> 01:35:40,220
Oh, interesting. Oh, good.

1694
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:44,520
This will be my final letter.

1695
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:48,200
It's like, oh, no, the suicide.

1696
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,760
From Esdras Negessen, one star out of five.

1697
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:56,320
In the beginning, she is the ideal person, perfect in the climax,

1698
01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:59,700
finds out she was magnificent as a human and the end of the movie

1699
01:35:59,700 --> 01:36:01,960
is like playing a video game on God mode.

1700
01:36:02,660 --> 01:36:05,260
What an uninteresting plank of wood she is.

1701
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:07,700
The villain was already weaker than her in the beginning.

1702
01:36:07,700 --> 01:36:09,900
So what struggle was she facing to begin with?

1703
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:12,680
The message of the movie is that she is perfect from the beginning.

1704
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:16,240
It's everyone else, men who was holding her back.

1705
01:36:16,580 --> 01:36:18,620
What a great message to young girls.

1706
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:22,020
Self-improvement is nonsense because you're already perfect.

1707
01:36:22,020 --> 01:36:26,180
Don't take criticism for anyone and certainly don't try to be better.

1708
01:36:26,180 --> 01:36:27,260
It's never your fault.

1709
01:36:27,260 --> 01:36:29,220
It's everyone else's because you're already perfect.

1710
01:36:29,220 --> 01:36:31,320
This movie was a joke.

1711
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:33,120
People are so angry.

1712
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,360
This is not true.

1713
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:36,960
This movie like that's not what this movie like.

1714
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,740
I don't know. Like, it's not even true.

1715
01:36:38,740 --> 01:36:39,740
I know.

1716
01:36:39,740 --> 01:36:42,240
How are you getting all this shit from this movie?

1717
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:43,240
Like I.

1718
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:47,680
She was trying to figure out what she believed in

1719
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,920
and then she finds it at the end of it that she believed in helping people,

1720
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,540
which has always been the case.

1721
01:36:52,540 --> 01:36:55,820
Sure. But like she forgot that she needed to get back.

1722
01:36:55,820 --> 01:36:57,780
Yeah, she needed to get back to it.

1723
01:36:57,780 --> 01:37:01,260
And there are like and I thought that was one of the more effective parts

1724
01:37:01,260 --> 01:37:05,760
of the movie was those motifs or like the or like little flashbacks

1725
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:13,800
and vignettes of her dealing with adversity and sexism and not like

1726
01:37:14,500 --> 01:37:15,800
maybe people got mad at them.

1727
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:17,240
Maybe people criticize that.

1728
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,800
But I actually thought that I mean, that that worked for me.

1729
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:23,040
And maybe it is. It worked for me, too, because it was plenty of hand

1730
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:24,180
this at Marvel stuff.

1731
01:37:24,180 --> 01:37:26,020
And maybe that could be argued that it is.

1732
01:37:26,020 --> 01:37:30,020
But I thought it worked well because I thought they were going to add

1733
01:37:30,020 --> 01:37:32,720
more crappy dialogue to some of those scenes.

1734
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:33,660
And they didn't.

1735
01:37:33,660 --> 01:37:36,420
It was just good visuals of her.

1736
01:37:36,420 --> 01:37:41,300
You know, the go kart thing and, you know, falling off the rope.

1737
01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:44,860
And then what was there was a third one and then and.

1738
01:37:46,660 --> 01:37:49,400
Somebody just talking shit to her or some shit like that.

1739
01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:51,480
Yeah, like on the playground or something like that.

1740
01:37:51,480 --> 01:37:54,600
And I actually got emotional when she was when it showed all of those moments

1741
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:58,680
again at the end of her standing up and looking down the camera.

1742
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,520
And I thought like, that was good.

1743
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,980
I like visually it looked cool.

1744
01:38:03,180 --> 01:38:03,780
It was awesome.

1745
01:38:03,780 --> 01:38:08,180
Oh, yeah. And when there was not talking, you know that like that that works.

1746
01:38:08,180 --> 01:38:09,380
So I don't know.

1747
01:38:09,380 --> 01:38:12,900
But that was like the most obvious, like thing that was like

1748
01:38:12,900 --> 01:38:15,460
directly dealing with sexism in her life.

1749
01:38:15,820 --> 01:38:17,860
And I thought that was well done.

1750
01:38:17,860 --> 01:38:22,500
And yeah, because I mean, ultimately, in my mind, it's just the arc is, is that.

1751
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,040
Why does she want to help the scrolls?

1752
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:28,100
And the reason that she wants to help the scrolls

1753
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:30,340
is because she knows what it's like to be persecuted.

1754
01:38:31,580 --> 01:38:33,840
And that's it. Yeah, like that's all you have to get to.

1755
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,580
Sure. Yeah, there.

1756
01:38:35,580 --> 01:38:37,880
Well, can do. I'm good.

1757
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:42,160
I think and we already address the polarizing nature of this movie.

1758
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:46,460
Well, the review review bombing, I'm down to give some final scores and move on.

1759
01:38:46,460 --> 01:38:47,820
Sure. Yeah.

1760
01:38:47,820 --> 01:38:49,560
You want to go first or you want me to go first?

1761
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:51,100
Sure, I'll go first.

1762
01:38:52,300 --> 01:38:55,100
The the reasons that I'm going to say right now, the reasons

1763
01:38:55,500 --> 01:38:59,740
that I'm not crazy about the movie are different from a lot of those review

1764
01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:04,240
reviewers that that that criticized it.

1765
01:39:04,940 --> 01:39:08,040
And I feel like we've been pretty clear in this podcast about our

1766
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:12,160
our criticism or like our criticisms, mine in particular of

1767
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:16,200
the structure of the of the plot, the screenplay, the dialogue,

1768
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:21,340
the stakes, like what it means within the pantheon of the MCU

1769
01:39:21,340 --> 01:39:27,680
and all that stuff and just the overall nature of those of these movies in general, like.

1770
01:39:29,380 --> 01:39:33,460
Maybe if this was like one of the few superhero Marvel movies out there,

1771
01:39:33,460 --> 01:39:36,220
like I can it'd be easier to grade it for what it is,

1772
01:39:36,220 --> 01:39:38,620
but it's really hard when there's so many of them

1773
01:39:38,620 --> 01:39:42,820
and it's just so oversaturated and there are a lot of lot better ones out there.

1774
01:39:42,820 --> 01:39:45,280
And I'm not even the biggest fan, but I've seen a fair amount.

1775
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:47,620
Like, I don't know. They're they're nice to throw on.

1776
01:39:47,620 --> 01:39:49,460
It's a nice movie going experience.

1777
01:39:49,460 --> 01:39:51,720
Seeing him a second time does not bode well.

1778
01:39:52,500 --> 01:39:56,160
This is my second time seeing this, because, yes, I once on movie theaters and

1779
01:39:57,940 --> 01:40:01,740
it's it's enjoyable in the movie theater and that sort of, yeah,

1780
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:06,140
obvious Scorsese, you know, Stan and you know, they are a little

1781
01:40:06,140 --> 01:40:09,340
like the roller coasters, you know, you go and you know, buy the ticket,

1782
01:40:09,340 --> 01:40:11,920
take the ride, baby, and have a pretty good time

1783
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:15,420
and then move on with your life and they're pretty forgettable.

1784
01:40:15,420 --> 01:40:18,260
And this one especially just.

1785
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:21,260
Didn't really.

1786
01:40:22,420 --> 01:40:23,960
It was inconsequential.

1787
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,860
It felt like this this movie, unfortunately,

1788
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,000
by no fault of Brie Larson, by no fault of Samuel L. Jackson.

1789
01:40:31,700 --> 01:40:34,000
Love, love the Mendelsohn.

1790
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:36,240
Love that Mendelsohn.

1791
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:38,380
Yeah, and especially blues as a as a villain.

1792
01:40:38,380 --> 01:40:41,580
I know he's got like the just cuts through the makeup as well.

1793
01:40:42,540 --> 01:40:44,920
Love him. Love the turn of him.

1794
01:40:46,220 --> 01:40:47,420
Not being the villain.

1795
01:40:47,420 --> 01:40:49,980
I thought that was that was a nice scene sitting in the house

1796
01:40:49,980 --> 01:40:53,320
and having them together like those are all good performance

1797
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,900
and good actors that are working off each other.

1798
01:40:55,900 --> 01:40:59,200
That kind of cuts through the fat a little bit to the ability for it

1799
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:02,700
to slow down and have that moment was really, really

1800
01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:05,640
that moment was was pretty nice.

1801
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:08,840
But overall, the writing and the structure really held me back from

1802
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:13,480
fully enjoying this and finding it like better than any of

1803
01:41:14,020 --> 01:41:15,980
a lot of the other Marvel movies.

1804
01:41:15,980 --> 01:41:18,520
So it will be a subpar score.

1805
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:20,860
I'm thinking like high 40s, low 50s.

1806
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:25,920
I'll do like.

1807
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:27,220
A.

1808
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:29,760
I'll do 48.

1809
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,440
So, yeah, yeah, makes sense.

1810
01:41:34,300 --> 01:41:36,440
Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to be labor any points

1811
01:41:36,440 --> 01:41:38,520
that we've discussed on this podcast already.

1812
01:41:39,480 --> 01:41:43,560
Yeah, my issues with it is, is that I just really do not care for

1813
01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:46,680
a light beam shooting power.

1814
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,560
Oh, my superhero movie. That's.

1815
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:56,760
Also to the plot in specifically just introducing

1816
01:41:56,760 --> 01:42:00,740
all of these concepts in this movie, where we're at in the

1817
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,700
to just consider a little bit like where we're at with the movies being released,

1818
01:42:04,700 --> 01:42:09,280
like just so much like you got to understand scrolls,

1819
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:13,840
Cree, all these different planets, inter like relationships,

1820
01:42:14,140 --> 01:42:18,380
uprisings, all of this stuff really just doesn't matter to me.

1821
01:42:18,660 --> 01:42:22,820
I do like at the core of this that it is about protecting people

1822
01:42:22,820 --> 01:42:24,960
that need to be protected in this galaxy.

1823
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,800
Yeah, I think we end up getting there.

1824
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:29,600
I do love a Ben Mendelsohn.

1825
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:31,860
I was thinking about that just him at the dinner.

1826
01:42:31,860 --> 01:42:36,040
I feel like I just imagine him in this crazy fucking makeup.

1827
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:38,540
But he's like sitting back with like his hand

1828
01:42:38,540 --> 01:42:42,240
like on the chair of his wife, just like kind of just like,

1829
01:42:43,180 --> 01:42:44,640
God, he's the fucking best.

1830
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:47,480
I love him. I love Samuel Jackson.

1831
01:42:47,480 --> 01:42:51,020
I just it was just really distracting the stuff that he was saying.

1832
01:42:51,020 --> 01:42:52,320
And then also his makeup.

1833
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:57,660
So, you know, kind of obviously not my favorite Samuel Jackson performance.

1834
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:02,000
And then, you know, I'm not I'm I'm sorry,

1835
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:05,560
but I'm also not going to put Jude Law as young

1836
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:09,240
rogue as my is a top tier Jude Law performance.

1837
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:13,380
And there's just yeah, it's just so bogged down and by all of the Marvel shit

1838
01:43:13,380 --> 01:43:16,540
that I really don't care for where the world is in peril.

1839
01:43:17,180 --> 01:43:20,620
People just, you know, again, shooting light beams at each other.

1840
01:43:20,620 --> 01:43:23,360
Yeah, I don't think any of the performances are really bad.

1841
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,300
I'm going to be pretty close to you on mine.

1842
01:43:28,300 --> 01:43:32,880
I'm going to be going to do like a I'm going to do 52.

1843
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,080
Yeah, I'm thinking of 52.

1844
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:36,640
Those are the ones I want to.

1845
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:38,320
It's a little bit of range.

1846
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:41,980
You know, it's a little bit above just because I've said before,

1847
01:43:41,980 --> 01:43:44,560
like 50 is a take it or leave it.

1848
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:48,660
I would say like it's not a bad movie, but if you're interested in it, go for it.

1849
01:43:48,660 --> 01:43:52,820
Like if I were to recommend it to somebody and say, I gave it a 52 out of 100,

1850
01:43:52,820 --> 01:43:56,960
what that means is, yeah, like, I don't know if you have any interest in it.

1851
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,660
Go for it. It's not a terrible movie if you like it.

1852
01:43:59,660 --> 01:44:02,540
Cool. But if you don't like it, it doesn't, you know.

1853
01:44:02,900 --> 01:44:05,000
No, yeah, I don't. I'm not going to take it personally.

1854
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,300
So, yeah, I would say like a 52 is where I'm sitting.

1855
01:44:07,300 --> 01:44:09,880
Yeah, like Luke Warm kind of lukewarm. Yeah.

1856
01:44:11,340 --> 01:44:13,940
Yeah, I feel like we responded similarly.

1857
01:44:13,940 --> 01:44:17,280
We've had many discussions about Marvel movies and they've been around.

1858
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:20,720
Such a such a long while. It's interesting dipping our toe into it.

1859
01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:22,820
You know, we've we've done some of the Disney

1860
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:28,120
movies here on this podcast and we did the Star Wars thing, too.

1861
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:33,300
So and I feel like those two went last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker were like.

1862
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:39,280
Maybe that's a different thing, but just Disney with these with these big

1863
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:45,140
franchise moments and getting fan reactions that, you know, are not ideal for them.

1864
01:44:45,140 --> 01:44:47,940
And even before the movies come out, people are already pissed.

1865
01:44:48,980 --> 01:44:52,120
Is not if you were to do for this podcast or for Disney and as well.

1866
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:55,360
Yeah. If you were to rank those three movies,

1867
01:44:55,360 --> 01:45:00,860
so Last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker and Captain Marvel, how would you see them?

1868
01:45:00,860 --> 01:45:05,860
Oh, and Captain Marvel. Oh, last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker and Captain Marvel.

1869
01:45:06,860 --> 01:45:11,000
I would do from best to worst.

1870
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:13,600
I do last Jedi.

1871
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:17,380
Last Jedi, Captain Marvel, Rise of Skywalker.

1872
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:20,720
I think I would. Yeah, no, I really don't like it.

1873
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:24,820
Last Jedi. Right. I would probably put honestly, I was thinking about putting this above

1874
01:45:24,820 --> 01:45:29,360
and going like, I don't know, weirdly going Captain Marvel. Yeah.

1875
01:45:30,620 --> 01:45:32,320
Yeah. Rise of Skywalker.

1876
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,420
Last Jedi would probably be me.

1877
01:45:35,420 --> 01:45:39,300
OK. Yeah, this that's an interesting rank.

1878
01:45:39,300 --> 01:45:44,000
Yeah. And then just like now Force Awakens, you're not invited to the Polaris party.

1879
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,540
No, because you're like, by and large, enjoyable.

1880
01:45:46,540 --> 01:45:49,180
Like if you just if they had just made that God.

1881
01:45:49,180 --> 01:45:51,680
Wow. What a world we would have lived in.

1882
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:53,780
Or it's like, oh, yeah, it's just this fun adventure.

1883
01:45:53,780 --> 01:45:55,940
And we're done. I like Last Jedi more than that one.

1884
01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:58,980
Oh, crazy. OK.

1885
01:45:58,980 --> 01:46:02,660
Because I would do Last Jedi, Force Awakens and Rise of Skywalker for those three.

1886
01:46:03,480 --> 01:46:05,220
OK, gotcha.

1887
01:46:06,260 --> 01:46:08,120
Wow. Why even do Force Awakens?

1888
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:10,160
It's just the same movie over again.

1889
01:46:11,660 --> 01:46:14,760
Sure. That's like not necessarily a bad thing.

1890
01:46:15,060 --> 01:46:18,040
It's like if you were to do a serialized like, I don't know.

1891
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:20,640
Yeah, like a serialized

1892
01:46:21,780 --> 01:46:25,640
IP like stretch or whatever, you know, every,

1893
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:29,040
every episode is going to be kind of the same formula, you know.

1894
01:46:31,620 --> 01:46:34,860
Circular base and then you just and then.

1895
01:46:34,860 --> 01:46:40,200
And then you just serialize things getting bigger.

1896
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:42,140
Star killer base does suck.

1897
01:46:42,140 --> 01:46:44,740
Yeah, I agree with you. That's star killer base stuff, man.

1898
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:49,380
You can cherry pick anything out of that whole trilogy.

1899
01:46:51,660 --> 01:46:52,680
That's that's my only thing.

1900
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:56,220
Yeah, like serialize is fun where you can just pivot to a different thing.

1901
01:46:56,220 --> 01:46:57,560
I get I get what you're saying with that.

1902
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:02,700
But when it's like taking the same thing and like that, but just place.

1903
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:03,460
Yeah, I don't know.

1904
01:47:03,460 --> 01:47:06,100
We don't have to we can't get in this. We just we know.

1905
01:47:06,100 --> 01:47:08,300
Yeah, this is all the stars bring it home.

1906
01:47:08,300 --> 01:47:11,380
James Marvel Star Wars fans are like, Oh, my God, they're doing this, too.

1907
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:13,500
We're bringing it home.

1908
01:47:13,500 --> 01:47:15,940
We're talking about our next our next feature.

1909
01:47:15,940 --> 01:47:18,840
It's we've been doing some summary blockbuster movies.

1910
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,820
So we're going to keep it rolling with bad boys to

1911
01:47:22,820 --> 01:47:27,320
know where the world sequel war the world's

1912
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:32,360
bad boys to might be further down the road if you want to put that in here

1913
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:35,760
and you're not again. But who are the words?

1914
01:47:36,060 --> 01:47:39,260
Let me pull that up, because then I know I for whatever reason thought

1915
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,540
it was them bad boys.

1916
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:45,540
What they're going to do, they're going to.

1917
01:47:45,540 --> 01:47:49,480
Come come get you another week, another week, another episode in the podcast,

1918
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:55,580
because next time it's a critically favored war, the worlds from 2005,

1919
01:47:55,920 --> 01:48:00,520
a Spielberg joint, it's a certified fresh

1920
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:05,700
75 percent by the critics is a poopy doopy snoopy 42 percent by the audience.

1921
01:48:07,260 --> 01:48:09,000
It's kind of surprising.

1922
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:09,760
It really is.

1923
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:11,700
Don't you think wouldn't you think it's the other way around?

1924
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:17,440
I don't I just would expect that movie to be like high

1925
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:22,540
like 70s high 60s or like 70s

1926
01:48:22,980 --> 01:48:25,180
across the board sort of thing or just everyone be like,

1927
01:48:25,180 --> 01:48:26,420
Yeah, it's pretty good, pretty good.

1928
01:48:26,420 --> 01:48:29,560
But I'm what we're going to have a guest on that episode.

1929
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:31,520
And I've talked to other people about it.

1930
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:34,820
And every time I brought it up, people are like, Yeah, I love that movie.

1931
01:48:34,820 --> 01:48:35,320
I've seen it.

1932
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:38,460
You know, I've seen a bunch of times and yeah, so weird to think about.

1933
01:48:38,460 --> 01:48:41,100
It's rated lower than Captain Marvel, according to run to me.

1934
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:43,700
Those people are pissed about Captain Marvel.

1935
01:48:43,700 --> 01:48:46,760
But interesting. Yeah, I know.

1936
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:49,080
I know like the part with the sun coming back at the end.

1937
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:51,600
I don't know, like the kind of resolution.

1938
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,040
I feel like walking out of the theater, there are some people like so.

1939
01:48:55,380 --> 01:48:56,720
So how did they do?

1940
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:58,180
We'll get it. We'll get it to.

1941
01:48:58,180 --> 01:49:00,780
Now, right.

1942
01:49:00,780 --> 01:49:03,080
That was a great impression.

1943
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,220
Oh, how do they do it?

1944
01:49:07,220 --> 01:49:09,760
So, huh?

1945
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:11,300
Oh, very quickly.

1946
01:49:11,300 --> 01:49:12,900
Oh, the sun's alive.

1947
01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:15,800
Sure. He just ran into fire.

1948
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:21,040
All right. Well, that was that was a lot of fun.

1949
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:24,640
You, Captain Brandini, you, Captain James, Steeny,

1950
01:49:24,980 --> 01:49:27,180
Captain James, Deanie.

1951
01:49:27,180 --> 01:49:28,220
That's me.

1952
01:49:28,220 --> 01:49:31,580
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1953
01:49:32,980 --> 01:49:35,480
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1954
01:49:37,220 --> 01:49:40,220
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1955
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:44,300
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1956
01:49:44,300 --> 01:49:46,700
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1957
01:49:46,700 --> 01:49:48,900
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1958
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:51,200
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1959
01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:52,400
Another thing that makes me sad.

1960
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:55,240
OK. And join us.

1961
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:57,540
Yeah. Next time.

1962
01:49:57,540 --> 01:49:59,320
Yeah. Hope you guys have enjoyed yourself.

1963
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:00,480
We appreciate so much.

1964
01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:03,380
We love you and see you next time. Bye bye.

1965
01:50:03,380 --> 01:50:25,380
Bye bye.