Welcome everybody to the Polarized Podcast.
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We're doing that a whole bit again, you know, classic trope.
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Today we're talking movies.
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Yeah, so this is a polarize.
This is a podcast about polarizing movies, polarizing movies in the sense of Rotten Tomato
scores.
Those are the movies that we talk about where critics either love it, audiences hate it
or vice versa.
Today we are talking about a very, very polarizing movie in the Marvel universe called Captain
Marvel.
The score for this is 79% critics, 45% who's stinky on the audience side.
My name is Brandon.
How are you?
Hey, how are you?
And we're going to be jumping right into it.
We're going to talk about this movie, talk about why it's polarizing, talk about how
we feel about it.
So buckle up.
And I'm not going to be the only one talking today.
This is a podcast with two hosts or like we sometimes refer to the person I'm about to
introduce as the forever guest.
I would like everybody to put your hands together for Mr. James Lindsay.
Yes.
Hello.
Hey, two guests for the price of one because I'm really just the for for two, two hosts
for the price of one.
Did I say guests?
Cause I'm the forever guest.
Yes.
And I sneak in as the guest, but then occasionally I take on those host duties.
Cause you know, not occasionally you really do.
You're underselling it all.
Yeah.
And you know, cause that would, it would just very much seem like I'm screaming into the
void on some of these movies.
This one might be one of them.
Yeah.
Screaming into the void with Brandon Stables.
It's very therapeutic.
Everyone to join me.
Yeah.
It's a ASMR, but very loud, very loud ASMR.
Is that, does that exist or does that qualify?
What is ASMR?
Some type of technical term for the stimulation that happens in your brain when somebody talks
and like makes a bunch of clicks with their mouth or autonomous sensory meridian response
is a tingling sensation that usually begins on the scalp and moves down the back of the
neck and upper spine.
Ooh, a pleasant form of paresthesia.
I should read this like ASMR.
It has been compared with auditory, no, come on synesthesia and may overlap with frisian.
Oh, frisian.
Oh, specifically quiet or you can just be a welcome to Brandon screaming into the void.
I'm back with another episode and I'm upset.
That would be just, that's what we would sound like if we were on the radio.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, hello Brandon.
Welcome to another, another episode of Polarize podcast.
Bunch of shock jocks.
Hey, let's go.
Or yeah, we can do that.
What's that?
Yeah.
Hey everybody.
What's up my bros?
I don't know.
We could, we could go there.
Classic.
I'm just switching gears.
Hey, what's up my bros and brosettes?
Yeah.
Marvels.
You say, no, no, I say tomato.
Yeah.
Very tomato, tomato in the Marvel Marvell.
Yeah.
Also really kind of a, not a plot point, but sort of kind of right that there's, you know,
this reveal, you know, towards the end of the film.
I mean, just to jump into it, because I'm sure if you're listening to this, I'm sure
you're probably seen this movie because since it's a Marvel movie, most people have, and
unfortunately, a majority of people have a strong opinion about this movie, which is
why we're talking about that reveal of the name though, is like something that only I
feel like Samuel L. Jackson could perform that task of that.
So there's some lines in here that are rough, but when you have, when you, oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
But when you have a, we're going to list them all right now.
When you got to go, no, we have a guy like Samuel L. Jackson that just like, Hey, I thought
it was Marvel, like the Marvelettes.
I was just like, Hey, this is the best way that you could go across this bridge of, cause
I'm just waiting for that.
Like, you know what your name should be.
I'm even thinking of the, the poopy doopy Snoopy, Fantastic Four, most recent Fantastic
Four movie where the very end they're trying to come up with a name and it's just, it's
just a big like, are they going to say it?
Ooh, are they, cause that's what the people want.
Right?
Yeah.
Don't, you know, you got to hold that stuff close to the vest because you know, I just
want to, why, why so you're such a great surprise.
And just like ASMR, just fantastic for
Fantastic Four.
So I, you know what?
I loved the Marvettes a little bit cause it just had me immediately singing with them.
Hey, hey, Mr. Oh, how does it go?
It goes, wait a minute.
Mr. Postman, Mr. Postman.
Hey Mr. Postman.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
You know, which is a fucking banger.
I love that song a lot.
He's referencing something, something else.
And then it gets you thinking about just a really good song.
Right.
There's a lot of songs in this movie, James.
How did you feel about the music?
There's
Well, all of that was like, that response just kind of get the, it felt like the air
just got sucked out of the room.
I'm sorry.
It was different because it was a lot of nineties stuff, which is nothing wrong with that.
I mean, I love, I love a lot of these songs, which is how they were the spin, this record
would start spinning.
It just felt like a, Whoa, this, this feels out of place.
Oh yeah.
Very much like a jukebox musical where it would just be kind of a classic, you know,
a lot of, yeah.
What would you, what would you call mainly the music choices like from the nineties and
this it'd be a lot of that kind of grungy stuff, right?
Cause we have her wearing a nine inch nail shirt.
There's a definitely there's a Nirvana song at that point.
And then of the big, no doubt song.
Yes.
Right.
During a fight scene, right?
Which is kind of what you were alluding to.
And that's another one where I love, I love that song.
Like especially the, just a girl, like no doubt.
So I love no doubt.
And it's somehow even hard to see it juxtapositioned with the things that are happening and at
the moment and how they like started up and start and stop it.
Like, and I've, I know it's a big thing in trailers now.
And I brought this up to you with like the Napoleon trailer.
Oh yeah.
Which that's, yeah, it's concerning.
It's a big theme in trailers is just kind of how, how a lot of them are cut is picking
a very popular song and not doing what captain Marvel has done, but instead do making it
much more dramatic and then having big like, like base hits and stops and starts again
and making it more epic.
And they use that radio head song, which I love my radio head.
And even I was, I love my Ridley Scott and gladiators.
I don't know.
It's always been one of my favorite movies.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm ready for a Napoleon movie, but that was like the one down part
and I should be stoked on having like a radio head song.
And it was even like the same treatment to a radio head song in silo.
It's the, it's a great band to use those kinds of moments.
Settle the Apple TV plus show.
It's pretty good.
But anyways, my, my, my brother was just that like those, that's one way to do it.
And I'm not even saying that's correct, but that there's the way that this has used the
songs is really just starting up the song because you like actual song, not a kind of
an interpolation or some type of remix or whatever it is legitimately just playing the
actual song.
Yeah.
And I even saw, I mean, guardians is the best example of incorporating that kind of stylings,
those kinds of music stylings into a movie that really would have a hard time fitting
those kinds of music notes into it because of the material and everything.
But then the visual language and the humor of James Gunn and those movies makes it okay
where it was kind of seventies and then eighties and then with the third one nineties as well.
And there's the third one.
I saw the third one.
Yeah.
And it's, I haven't seen it.
It's good.
It's, it's good.
It's fucking hard, heartbreaking, just not to give anything away, but there's some heartbreaking
like stuff with a rocket's origin story a little bit, you know, but, you know, they
just creep even as a radiohead parallel and it's done very well.
Yeah.
Cause it's like mixed in a way like that, that it goes in and out with, with what's
going on instead of just like very flatly play layered on top of something.
It's seems so after the fact, I get what you mean because you know, the two examples
of one, maybe not as much.
It's kind of looping that opening a bit, but yeah, sure.
Yeah.
So like in guardians, you have like, what is it?
Mr. Blue, I think the ELO song, what is that?
Yellow song.
Nonetheless.
Oh yeah.
I know what you're talking about, but that is so it, it is embedded, like you said, into
how the scene is edited so that it's, it's punchiness, it's highs and lows, the
timbre of the song fits the action very well.
So it just really isn't a wonderful addition because you're like, Oh, this is just really
spectacular action.
And then this song rips.
So I love it.
So now it's like, you know, it's, I love it even more because of it, but you're absolutely
right is more often than not, especially too, cause there's a lot of usage of this, these
popular songs where they might just be driving or just doing fucking, I don't know, like
in transit or like moving around or not any like the salt and pepper.
What a man song, right?
It's like all they're doing is just driving somewhere from where they were.
Is that the one where the security guard is that what he's listening to in his, in his
car?
Ooh, I don't know.
I don't think he was listening to anything.
Cause I just remember him being very like, doesn't have a lot to say each time he's asked
about something.
And he's just like sitting and yeah.
And he's so like, it's just not a real, not a real person.
I don't know.
It just, or maybe he's in shock.
I guess it would be the argument.
And which is somewhat understandable.
And I mean, I'm sure for that actor, like, yeah, I mean, your direction is, is that something
just fell from the heavens and crashed into this blockbuster.
You should be shocked about that.
Cause that's a really crazy thing to have happen and witness, but it's, it wouldn't
be a great opportunity for some fun and levity to, because Brie Larson kind of brings it,
you know, cause the, the like fun there and the comedy there is that she is very matter
of fact, you know, to her, she's not, she's unamazed.
Yeah.
She's just faced by what has happened and she's just trying to like solve the next problem
to get out of there.
And so, yeah, she just approaches the guy goes like, you know, and then has that whole
little bit about a communications.
And then he points to a radio shack, which is, you know, such, you know, isn't that fun?
James strip mall with a blockbuster and a radio shack.
Yeah.
Remember when that was the thing we're old enough to know this.
This is what the movie wants us to talk about.
They want us to lean over like, Oh, hey, I remember that.
Oh my God.
I was going through my old stuff.
I found my block, blockbuster membership card and I like kept it.
I was like, I got rid of all bunch of my old shit.
Uh, I had, I just, it was a lot of old stuff that I got back.
Um, and for you, that was one thing.
And I was like, Hey, look at that.
I'm going to, I might hang onto that for a second.
Yeah, why not?
I mean, but it's a little, it's a little card and then yeah, the radio shack right next
to right next to it's a little tight.
It's a little tiny card, but then yeah, as players you can get rid of.
Yeah.
Oh, I mean, it's a collection.
Never.
Uh, I have the soundtrack list, uh, crazy on you by heart.
Kiss me deadly by, uh, what a man by salt and pepper connection, connection by Elastica
only happen when it rains garbage, crush with eyeliner.
R.M. I don't even remember.
I like that song and I'm trying to remember exactly when it was, it must've just been
really in the background.
And there's like an intro to that song that they probably use, but I just don't, it must've
been like in the background somewhere.
Of course.
Cause there, again, there are plenty of times in this movie where these songs play, where
like, you know, uh, crush with an eyeliner could have been playing while she's walking
out of her jet plane.
And that's like, you know, that's playing in the background or she's like going to,
she's like working on something or just doing something.
And maybe it was an action scene and it just, it starts playing and it's really hard to
pinpoint that because, um, a thing that I'll start getting into talking about as the action
of this is one of those things that I really have a huge problem with.
Because I absolutely at this point, loathe action sequences now in these movies.
And that's why by and large, I don't like these movies anymore is when people are just
going, it's just like color light beams shooting out of people.
It's so fucking boring.
Like battle at the end is what happens.
And I just about like, care less.
Deflated into the couch.
I was like, oh, and I just deflated on and I just couldn't get up anymore.
And then the rest of it happened.
But, um, yeah.
And then, uh, you gotta be by Desiree come as you are Nirvana, just a girl, no doubt
man on the moon by Ari and memory.
Remember that?
Are you, when was that?
Didn't tell you about the fun.
Couldn't talk to our songs in this.
And I don't remember.
And as yeah, as a fan, that's, that's surprising.
I remember like a lot of these other ones.
So those are probably just like background, like on the radio or something.
And then celebrity skin hole was like the end credits.
But, uh, but, uh, but, uh, waterfalls.
I think that's what the guy was listening to in his car.
Maybe.
No, I think that was like a road trip thing.
Like they were driving.
I'm pretty sure he was listening to the, uh, what a man.
Okay, gotcha.
Let's talk about some of the players and the, I'm sorry, we're going down a rabbit, all
of the things we don't like.
And let's use it.
It was a big, like, it's not as bad as like just the final note.
It's not as bad as like suicide squad, the, the, or the, or whatever the first suicide
squad one where it's just like new character, new song.
And then you can almost hear the record scratch like, and then the whole movie stop and then
just restart over again with a new character and they just pull it, play another song,
uh, and all good songs.
But somehow just ruined by what's hap, what's happening, but not to that level, but it is
very much just like, we're back in the nineties.
So there's a lot of setting the scene with that.
Um, and that was, yeah, absolutely.
But that's all.
Yeah, for sure.
So some of the players in this movie, uh, the main cast of characters I would say are
Brie Larson, Samuel Jackson, and Jude Law.
Uh, let's talk, let's talk about these three people.
So I want to talk about Jude Law in particular because this, him playing a villain, we had
just recently done, um, uh, Pan and Wendy.
The holiday and the holiday we've done to, I guess, no, he's not a villain, but, um,
he's not the, he's not the main care.
He is a main character, but since that's like an ensemble, yeah, it's an ensemble.
Yeah, it's more Kate Winslet and, um, Cameron Diaz are the main characters you would argue.
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
Especially cause it's a Nancy Myers movie.
So the females are going to be the leads of it.
And yeah, which is great.
They're on holiday.
They're the ones that are on holiday.
Yeah.
And they start the movie.
They're the ones that do the whole switching and stuff.
So yeah, it's, it's great.
Um, Jude Law in that movie is great too.
I mean, I, yeah, I love Jude Law in, um, he's just so handsome and charming.
I remember him like just walking into her house and just like, like talking and just
like, man,
kind of drunk a little late at night.
And then he's just so like, uh, apologetic, but quickly is able to turn on the charm to
turn when her levels are out of control.
You got to nerf those charm levels.
Wow.
That was such a pogchamp thing to say.
I love it.
We're on Twitch by the way.
Sorry, just for you to talk to me a little twitching.
So Jude Law, so he just kind of fascinates me because again, yeah, so we just did a Pan
and Wendy and he's the villain in that and he's the villain in this movie.
And it's, uh, now when I think of these really, you know, kind of these actors that have been
around a while, especially really good looking actors that have been around a while now,
man, it just goes to show you how important of a movie, uh, once upon a time in Hollywood
is because that movie's storyline with, um, Leonardo DiCaprio talks about the trajectory
of a leading man and how you go from being the leading man until you get too old or not
bankable enough.
And then you start playing the villain roles.
And you know, in that movie, he struggles with that because obviously he, you know,
he considers himself still a leading man, even though his career is past that.
And so I was thinking about that concept as applied to Jude Law.
And I was looking at his body of work and he kind of never was like really, I think
he had some outings as the leading guy, but really not much of a leading man overall.
Like not a lot of that.
A lot of the time he is always a player in good movies for sure.
He has popped up in a lot of good stuff, but I think he might've gotten wrote.
I was thinking of like what movies was he the leading man that people were like, Oh
yeah, right.
Jude Law, this guy could be the one who kind of is the vehicle for, uh, you know, big blockbuster
and to be the leading man.
And one movie that stood out to me as cold, cold mountain, cold mountain was, was a standout
for me since then, uh, movie got a lot of, uh, like a war buzz and he's a big, big part
of that.
I think, you know, that was one of the movies where people, well, cause also too, you just
consider like talented Mr. Ripley and he is very magnetic in that, you know, which is
part of this character.
Huge part of that movie.
Yeah.
But Matt Damon is for sure the lead for sure the lead, but I think you, I think plenty
of people saw that movie myself included and go like, you know, especially cause he's
a British actor going like, Oh man, who is, you know, Jude Law.
Oh yeah.
This guy's, this guy's got something.
Do you or ducky or something?
Do you know, ducky?
No it's ducky.
Cause ducky likes to fuck.
He is how I remember.
Is that what he says?
No, that's not what he says.
That's what I say.
He's such a cat.
And that, uh, you know, cause he's just such a playboy and that's, you know, the attraction
that Matt Damon has to him is that obviously Matt Damon is this fucking weirdo.
Like, um, uh, not a shut in, but yeah, just as not charismatic by nature.
You know, he has to force himself to be that.
Yeah.
And then, uh, the transition, I mean, you're talking about the transition from him kind
of playing that role in that movie has him staged as almost the archetypal sort of like
handsome suave, charismatic, Debonair sort of, sort of guy that, uh, has everything going
for him and all the guys want to be the ladies want to be with sort of thing, at least in
Matt Damon, Mr. Ripley's eyes.
And, and to see him transition, I think pretty effortless effortlessly because the standard
for him to always be the leading man hasn't been held over him because he, yeah, like
you're saying he hasn't had like necessarily all of his roles have been surrounding that.
He has taken a lot of like supporting me.
Like I think he's a really great supporting actor and he's very, very willing to ugly
himself up.
I'm even thinking of a movie that I saw later in my life, but is it road to perdition?
The Tom Hanks, which is bright before like the ugly, like weird assassin dude.
That's just in the background the whole time and knowing that someone's willing to take
on those roles as well, um, speaks to, yeah, just what he wants because he has the power.
So I think kind of get those leading roles and things that whatever he may like, but
maybe not whatever, but just the, to be able to support something that's, that's great.
And, uh, be around something that seems to be more iconic or being able to work with
the established directors or great cast is, it seems to be something that he is willing
to do and not only is willing to do, but thrives in because the other one I really like is
I heart Huckabee's performance in that, whatever you think about that, that movie.
But I love that movie.
Cause performance is one of the more memorable ones for me.
And that one as, as well, where it is kind of like on the surface, he is that guy, but
then what's bubbling underneath kind of comes out and knowing that that kind of person has
that sort of like weird side of them is, uh, self-awareness.
Yeah.
And intriguing as a, as a audience member, like whether it be, I don't know, someone
like George Clooney or something or, or, uh, whatever, just like, you know, that there's
like, oh, something weird is going on.
Like he can be kind of a nefarious as well as, as turn the charm on and all.
I mean, Leo and Brad Pitt and Tarantino, we like once upon a time in Hollywood, you
were talking about that, like their performances and that, and him as the main character in
that is, is, uh, so good.
I love that movie.
I'm all over the place.
Someone reel me back in.
Let's talk about it.
It's okay.
No, no, but I just, all I'm trying to get to is, is that, uh, Jude Law has had a really
interesting career and he has just continued to play villains in the last, you know, last
big movies that we've seen him in, um, you know, and also the Batman, right?
He played a penguin as well.
So he's just been, uh, Oh no, I'm sorry.
That's Oh God.
That's, um, Oh my dear boy.
It's a, the, uh, Colin Farrell, Colin Farrell.
Oh, but God, just two good looking British guys.
I'm sorry.
I guess he's Irish.
Maybe.
I don't know.
Anyway, so, but nonetheless, like our Jude Law tier list next time.
That'd be fun.
Oh my God.
I'd like to do like a Sam Rockwell or something to you.
Like that guy's so cool.
Or Ben Mendelsohn.
Let's, let's talk about him.
Yeah.
My apologies about the, uh, I mean, just one last thing is I just, I think it was kind
of unfortunate for Jude Law being also again, being in the fantastic Dumbledore young, sexy
priest.
Cause there's just a young, sexy Pope.
Yeah.
You're sexy Dumbledore.
Um, there's just been a couple of movies that he's been a part of where I think he kind of
is given a higher status and the movies themselves haven't done well, but it's not, it's not
his fault.
So it's just, yeah, it's, it's been an interesting career for him.
And uh, yeah, I think he's a great actor, but yeah, let's, uh, let's move on from him
and talk about ensemble stuff.
That's cool.
Yeah, it is.
Uh, but Ben Mendelsohn, I didn't bring that up in my, uh, you know, in my list of the
big players here, but Ben Mendelsohn let's, I'm a Ben Mendel stand.
If you know what I mean.
Same brother.
Um, he is for me kind of like the best part of this movie and the ability to act through
the cruel makeup is very difficult.
And I like that.
There's a lot of like makeup and prosthetics, like that's cool.
And that, uh, you know, all things considering and they're just like, Oh, like, and I like
a rubber suit or something, but it's more than that.
Like the makeup looks, looks good.
And he's just acting through it so well.
And even having like the timing, uh, to, I don't know the line about like, why would
I turn into a filing cabinet was whatever kind of line, but he delivered it.
That made me kind of like almost chuckle.
Oh, there's plenty of lines.
He brings a lot of levity to a pretty grim, um, like disposition and plight in life, you
know, cause this movie handles some really interesting concepts.
I like his turn.
That's like my, might be my favorite part of the movie is his like arc.
Yeah.
I mean, it's definitely the most interesting for sure.
Because yeah, I like the idea of just simply put it.
Yeah.
Like, oh, they're the bad guy and then like, you find out that they're not in this like
very messy structured movie, which I'm not as crazy about his kind of cuts through the
fat a little bit of what's going on.
Um, but yeah, I agree.
Other things are not fleshed out.
Unfortunately, like the Cree.
I don't know.
I think that the Cree aren't fully.
Let's talk about the Cree.
Can we talk about the Cree now?
Let's talk Cree.
Okay.
So, so here's the thing is that the scrolls and the Cree.
Can you talk Cree in your other podcasts as well when you scream into the void?
Yeah.
Avoid screaming.
Yeah.
And that, yeah, exactly.
Well, yeah, it's something I'm working through.
But anyway, so speaking of working through and some cathartic stuff, let's just talk,
let's talk Cree real quick.
So the scrolls and the Crees have been locked into this million year war, right?
Yeah.
Do you even have to mention?
So they've been locked into this million year war.
So really started out with actually the scrolls, paying attention to the Cree as a society
coming up and valuing their resources on their planet and really like them being the villains
of it.
And then the Cree rise above that in this million.
That's why they have this war.
And so there's this contentious relationship between the scrolls and the Crees.
And so now at this point, the Crees have gotten further advanced arguably than the scrolls.
So they are really trying to eliminate what used to or who used to be their oppressors.
Right.
So we're just seeing some like intergalactic conflicts that have been happening for a really
long time.
And so we're just been kind of dropped in, presented with, you know, really quickly.
I mean, the beginning of this movie is just like, yeah, what the fuck is happening?
I felt like I got whiplash where they come out guns a blazing in this movie and they're
like, OK, so we're on holo and then we got this.
We got the Cree and then we got this super intelligence.
OK, then we're going to go on this mission.
The scrolls are the bad guys.
The scrolls are like this.
And I'm just like, what the fuck are we talking about?
It's like I. Yeah, it was.
So I had to like delve into this because it just blew me away.
They throw so much at you in that in that first first.
Really?
Yeah.
And it's like.
This is OK.
This at the stage two is this movie is in between what you're calling Infinity War and
Endgame.
Right.
So I really like in that world of, you know, understanding that there are superheroes and
gods they are trying.
You know, they tried to protect the world from this invader who.
I'm trying to even so Titan is the planet that they're that Thanos is from.
I can't remember what race that they are.
But like, you know, with the introduction of the Guardians of the Galaxy, it really
blew this whole Marvel universe wide open where there are sand sandarians.
There are.
Whatever Thanos is, and there's just all these different races of aliens.
And so like, I guess it kind of prepares you a little bit.
But this movie, man, really just you can't you have to know or else it's like super fucking
confusing.
It doesn't reference too many other things either, but within like the self contained
side, I guess that'd be the first act like the first act and the first portion of it
is just.
Meant to give you kind of whiplash in a purposeful sort of way.
And I don't think it's effective necessarily because it is trying to induce in you like
what it feels like to be a patient of amnesia or something, because you're like, what?
Right.
Yeah, I guess you're like, you're supposed to feel like Captain Marvel because you're
like, not sure what's going on.
And she knows what's going on because she's been there a while.
So when she was just like, don't have a good surrogate.
Yeah.
And then like they immediately grab her and start harvesting memories out of her.
And so you just yeah, like you just know so little for such an it seems like such an important
thing.
You know, walking into the middle of a movie.
And so I mean, you got to be a little suspicious of the Cree off the top of like, you know,
you're questioning what their deal is, why she's there and what happened in between whatever
this crash is.
But the way the movie moves past this is not super satisfying and delving out the answers
to all these questions because they're not divvied out in the most like clean way either.
Some of the some of the combination of images are pretty, like the blue explosion or something.
And then like the fine dust and stuff.
But it doesn't really like have any meaning to me.
And then when you do discover it, I don't know, it just doesn't fully have a satisfying
conclusion in a broader sense of everything.
Yeah, and it's just it's really insult to injury where, you know, I like the idea that
the movie goes quickly into essentially like a height, not a heist, but like a like an
extraction mission.
You know, we're just like plowing through it and being like, OK, so we're going to go
on this mission.
Here's our target.
We're going to go here.
Everybody ready.
And then you get to see the cast of characters.
But it is so weird because everybody's like different colors.
And so you're like, is that the same person as this person?
Like, why is Verz a human?
And so is Jude Law, but he's not.
Then there's a person and then there's a black guy.
And then there's like another race of person.
Hampton or whatever can come out as like with the blue blood thing kind of worked, I guess,
as a reveal so that she can be.
I guess I was like the creed is another thing.
Are they like the scroll?
Do they they don't change their form, do they?
Or they just look like humans or all the creed, just various looks.
I mean, that's an excellent question.
This is where just like the maybe Marvel fans are just like, you guys don't get it.
But well, but that reminded me of like the beginning of Thor, where he just kind of has
his crew and like you can.
They're just like, oh, let's work carrying out another mission like we're doing another
thing.
It just with that cold open and how they come together and all that is like more messy rather
than, you know, oh, you get it.
It's story he's got.
He's an established like idea and, you know, mythology and human storytelling.
This is like a little bit harder to digest when you start throwing around those those
terms and everything.
Yeah.
So and then also, too, it's like, I guess it kind of works well for the movie, but very
accidentally, in my opinion, is that we get to this hostage situation on this planet.
I don't remember the name of it, but like it's a lot of smoke and people start speaking
a different language and yelling and it creates a lot of tension of like, who is who?
Because it does posit that the scrolls are able to take on the look of somebody else.
So it does add a lot of stakes of like, oh, this is a very tense situation because everybody
doesn't know who they are.
But again, it's just so confusing because I like I don't know who the the like inhabitants
of that planet are.
I haven't really seen what them changing means.
You just told me that that's what they do.
And it just really created a lot of confusion for me where I'm like, and then smoke is added
to the situation.
I'm like, wait, who's?
Well, they got different color light beams, Brandon.
That's all you need to know.
Just look at the different color light beams and you're, you know, you're root for the
green or whatever.
Right.
Yeah.
Root for the green.
Well, no, you root for the blue in the beginning.
And then the greens, the bad and then I thought purple or something was bad.
I mean, your guess is as good as my exactly.
But let's yeah, we don't need to get too hung up on this.
I mean, really, it's me.
That's like one of the more like the rest of the movie.
I don't know.
I'm like flying like talking about like more broad strokes.
We don't need to go like beat by beats.
But that like that was a big chunk of it.
And then her crashing into Blockbuster and Radio Shack.
And there is a poor there is a part at that battle.
First of all, the Mohawk looks pretty cool.
And then read that comic.
Nice comic book class in college and read that comic because it's like it was a very
unique like feminist comic.
You know, it's very it's an interesting character where, you know, it's like a female passes
the mantle down to another female and then that female is consistently a badass, super
capable, never the damsel in distress, like, you know, really has a strong point of view
of like, you know, I care about my family like that we end up seeing and like who who
matters to her and all of that stuff.
And yeah, the Mohawks badass really is.
Yeah, that's a has a cool effect.
And she does this thing when one of the aliens like the scrolls or whatever like goes, and
then she just goes like yells back.
And it very much reminded me of Brendan.
Brendan Fraser and the mummy.
And that made me happy because that just works.
I don't know.
Just like, well, I'm just going to do the same thing back.
Yeah, you know, it's a glance.
Right.
You know, it never gets old.
How do you how do you feel about Brie Larson just in general now?
Because you brought up a point of her handling the comedy.
And then as we kind of touch on some of the plot points, I mean, because I've I've definitely
gone through a lot of the issues that people have with this movie.
And the biggest one is obviously how people feel about her acting.
They think it's very wooden.
It has no depth.
And she is time and time again, a review would be like she's a terrible actress.
She's a cardboard cutout is the thing that gets thrown out a lot about her performance.
And honestly, man, I was trying to think about her in comparison to Captain America, Chris
Evans.
And I don't really see the difference between the two in their performances.
I overall like her as an as an actor.
So like what that's what this movie called for, what the script called for.
The dialogue was rough throughout for me.
And they had there's some good performers that were doing their best.
Like I think casting her as a superhero was a great move.
I don't know.
I think she'd like the bill as a as a superhero.
Like she she exudes physicality that aura and everything and kind of has, I think, being
icy and closed off fits the character.
And that's what I'm saying about the Chris Evans of it all, because I just was thinking
about his performance in Captain America and like he is so stoic.
He like a superhero to me is is very like at least what they presented to us Marvel
with these male lead actors is they're not like, yeah, they can have some fun.
But a lot of the main characters are supposed to come off as like really capable, very like,
you know, have like this good intrinsic nature to them.
And they're not like, I don't know, they don't they're not crazy or flying off the handle
a lot.
They're just very, you know, I'm I'm a good boy trying to save the world.
It's a captain mindset.
They're both captains.
That's just how it's going to be.
Exactly.
So I just that's why.
Yeah, it just kind of drove me nuts a little bit where, you know, it's you call her wooden
and a cardboard cutout.
But like, what is, you know, what are some of these other men leading, you know, superhero
guys giving you that's totally different?
Sure, there are flourishes with difference and being able to handle comedy better, because
I mean, yeah, maybe she doesn't handle comedy all that well, but I don't know.
She kind of like she gives such a in my mind, a really good performance because she says
the lines with the intent that the character should have and the line should be funny.
And so just by saying it normally, how that person would that should be funny.
She doesn't have to be like, wink, wink, I'm making a joke, you know, something like that.
It's just like, you know, say the line.
Right.
And I don't know.
Now, this is a funny line.
Like now I'm going to start implying with my body language that it's going to be funny
now and her body language knows more like strong and but also like, yeah, like you're
seeing Stoic in a hard, hard shell and everything.
But she's been through a lot.
Yeah.
How many years of amnesia and trying to figure out who she is and having these dreams of
and she's going going through a lot.
But then like those moments where, yeah, like there's there's lines like she she does fine.
It's just like my issues don't really lie with her and even seen her in Fast X recently.
She handles an action role very well.
And I mean, she's giving me a shitty performance and room is amazing.
So I so I watched that after seeing this because I wanted to.
Had you seen it before?
I had not seen it before because I watched this movie and then went and looked at the
reviews and said, seen it.
But I mean, and then since so much being.
Yeah, it's incredible.
Yeah.
That movie in general really blew me away because when spoiler alerts for the room is
about half the halfway mark, almost on the dot, they escaped from their situation.
And that really blew me away because I was like a typical movie that is positing like
a kidnapping situation or whatever.
Like the end of the movie would be them escaping.
But the fact that they escape halfway through was really like jarring and shocking.
And it's like, holy shit.
So like we're going to have to deal with the fallout, which was such an incredibly interesting
take on that concept of a movie of somebody getting kidnapped and needing to escape from
their from their captor and to then focus the back half of the movie on what it means
to assimilate back into life was so interesting.
Like I had never really seen that before, because again, I just, you know, was so hard
wired of like, there's no way they're like I was the whole time.
I was like, well, he's going to get both of them like, or she's going to stay captured
or whatever.
And this movie is going to continue with that.
But the fact that they both get out halfway through was really just such a like fresh
like take on that concept in a movie, because then you focus the back half on what it means
to get back into society and the struggle there and also the acceptance of what has
happened and focus more on that because, yeah, I don't know.
I just typically you don't you just it ends and then you just assume like, well, they're
going to, you know, get back into society and forever happy ever after whatever.
But to like really get into it and being like, no, this is incredibly difficult to become
a normal person after this situation and to get to see that and then how Tremblay.
Wow.
Jacob Tremblay and that is really quite something.
So yeah, yeah.
Like she's a great actress, I guess, you know, to put the period to the end of that thought
is like she's not a terrible actress.
And the critiques there are really seem like they're motivated by another agenda or something
something else.
Yeah.
I mean, you want to touch on that?
Yeah.
Because I think that's the bulk of the polarization of this movie.
Because I mean, yeah, I think I mean, I know for myself is that I've been pretty clear
on how I feel about Marvel movies and the back half of this movie is going to be a lot
of shooting lasers out of your hands and talking about gobbledygook.
We can say that we can say that conversation more to like maybe go through the rest of
the story and then right before reviews, maybe just touch on that a little bit.
OK, maybe better.
But this is I mean, speak of speaking of assimilating, she's trying to figure out what's going on
in this C seven five, whatever the hell it is, Earth planet.
She sees a Stanley with a mall rats script screenplay.
And that was that was pretty fun.
Pretty fun.
I like that.
That was fun.
What was the slow club is slow club reference to something that seems like it was a reference
to something because then she goes into I know it's a band.
I'm Googling it and I do like that band, but it's OK.
I was almost going to say think like Twin Peaks or something, but I forget.
And and then like when she eventually like there's like the fill and Nick Fury stuff,
everyone calls me fury.
We get into like the more scroll stuff and Ben Mendelsohn.
You find out that he's kind of in charge.
Is he like in charge of shield or what?
I forget what he's his title is whatever, but he's like kind of above fury.
You find out that he's a scroll.
But then there's like the point that the movie kind of takes a moment is when she finally
finds her best friend from a life past.
Her lover, not her best friend, her lover for sure.
OK, got you.
Yeah, for sure.
Her lover, which yeah, it's just it's one of those things where it's like this movie
handles that so gingerly because it's just Disney.
There's not willing to show.
They're not Disney and Marvel.
And maybe just that's you can blame me for not being attuned as well.
But the these movies are sexless.
There's like no, there's it's hard to have, you know, and that obviously was something
that I thought.
But anyways, I just thought that.
No reaction to her coming back.
And I think she's a great actress as well.
Incredible.
She played a double seven quote unquote in No Time to Die.
Yeah.
And she was awesome in that as well.
And I mean, even though her that character kind of sucked a little bit, it just wasn't
much for her to do.
But she did it.
Well, she was.
Yeah, she did well.
But what the task that she's given in this as well, the same with like Samuel L. Jackson,
the lines that and the reactions that she's supposed to deliver in some of these moments
are just like impossible.
Because it just cuts to her like, OK, so you're telling me it's just like the reaction of
like after she told her this whole story and like just to be able to move on and then move
into the next mission and all that stuff was just like, I just remember the first time
seeing this movie just being like, how?
Yeah.
How are you able to digest this?
How are you just not in a corner just like your minds on the ground?
It's just like brain.
You just got to give me a second like, no, like, I don't know.
Some of that's some of that's especially because she's like telling her that shit.
And then a scroll has like.
Turned into one of them and is talking to her daughter at the same time.
It was such a weird imagery where again, you're just like, how how can anybody not just freak
the fuck out about this and be like, this is so crazy.
I'm losing my mind.
Have I got did somebody bonk me on the head?
Am I dreaming like this is insane.
Yeah.
Something about the tone of that, like just didn't really work for me.
I wanted a little bit more like, what the fuck?
Like whoa, this what?
What?
Yeah, no way.
And that's maybe the obvious sort of thing.
And maybe more than implying that we were criticizing earlier or something.
But this didn't work as well for me either.
And it just needed to take a second before moving on to the next thing, which, yeah,
the structure of this movie is just like not are not great for me.
I know they're trying to mess with that, like opening and and the giving out the information
to her as well as the audience with her being kind of the surrogate.
But like we were saying earlier, it's like we don't have even the full knowledge of the
creed, so there's just how they give the information to the audience isn't fully fleshed out in
my mind of everything that's going on.
And I think that the structure of it is the reason that suffers the biggest, the biggest
reason.
Yeah, it's sort of it starts to like kind of like assemble itself a bit and get a little
bit more like cohesive when you start to realize like what Annette Benning's like purpose was
because she's the.
Yeah, she's the she's the thing.
She's like, yeah, like what's that?
What's the word?
The MacGuffin, the MacGuffin.
Yeah, she herself is essentially.
Uh huh.
Right.
Because you memory of her because like that is the scroller trying to like get that memory
out.
Yeah, it's yeah.
Yeah, this movie really suffers from being so complicated and when it's not early, it's
just like it's not.
Yeah, like to make it seem like that.
But then it's just like if they told it normally, it'd be like, oh yeah, I get it.
Like she got blown up by some fucking bomb that she got the energy of.
And now she's a superhero and she got her memory erased.
And then there's this whole section that they just took out of the movie of her learning
the Cree ways as an amnesia patient.
So they OK, so that's not necessarily what I wanted.
But it's just like you could give you that information in a different way, but they just
didn't.
They're just like you.
The Cree are bad now.
They're good.
Now they're bad.
And and they are in cahoots with Ronan and you get the little like and I was so concerned
at the end that he was just going to come with a whole army beaming down from Earth
and I was about to just like pause the movie and take another break and expecting to pause
it and see like another half hour where there's a whole army battle.
Like at the end of all these movies, I was going to walk away.
I'm just like, yeah, I'm from the brakes on that.
It's just like I can't I can't do this.
Yeah, right.
So speaking of Guardians of the Galaxy, so he was the villain in the first one.
I like that.
Oh, yeah.
Fucking what's his name?
Oh, God.
Lee Pace.
OK, Lee Pace.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nice.
I love that guy, too.
Have you ever seen a halter catch fire?
No, dude.
Check out halter catch fire.
OK, I will.
Shit rocks.
It's so good.
After success, I'm late on the train on that, so I got to get through that.
It's the whole show is about Silicon Prairie.
So what is the computer company compact came out of Texas?
And that was in a in a loosely is based on that of like a tech company out of Texas,
you know, gaining in popularity and whatnot.
He's a main character and then it's awesome.
It's also got my movie crush that from San Junipero, right?
Can't.
Yeah, Kenzie Davis.
OK, I didn't know her name.
Yeah, yeah.
Who's also in Blade Runner.
I just know her as Junipero.
Yeah, God, she's she's the best.
She's such a good actress, too.
Cool.
Yeah, yeah, I'll definitely check that one out.
Like I know he's in that foundation show that has like a new season out as well.
Yeah, Kayla really likes it, but I'm not really a fan of it because it's just it's it's too
it's we'll see.
I know that's like the source material is pretty popular to you, but very popular apparently,
like one of the high like the highest regarded in the world.
I mean, I think it's like the most popular.
Yeah, I don't know.
And then this is a good line because maybe because Samuel L. Jackson delivers it so well
to you where he's like, like, let's I think it's when Mendelsohn is like in the room and
they're all trying to figure out a way forward.
And he's like, he's like, let's not make this complicated.
And he's like, I'm about to complicate that wall with some ugly ass scroll brains.
Yeah, man.
Wow.
I didn't deliver it well, but he did.
Well, yeah, because he's a fucking man.
God damn professional.
That guy, yeah, you give him whatever and he knows how to he knows how to work it.
God, I love Samuel in this.
But like his whole makeup situation was so distracting to me.
It was really hard for me to ever like not be paying attention to this, like seemingly
to pay it on.
And then he just has like this weird makeup because they're yeah, because they don't use
the like Irishman de-aging technology.
They just like to go with Phil and almost look like they did with Phil.
Really?
I just think that guy just is a good looking dude that just hasn't really aged at all.
Yeah.
They just use the same amount of makeup on him and it just worked really well.
And it just works really well.
Yeah.
No.
Well, I mean, obviously they're also like fairly different in age.
I would assume that they're probably like 15 years difference in age or whatever.
Yeah, it's fair.
Like.
Yeah, it just it was just always so fucking distracting where because like I've seen
like Pulp Fiction, I don't know, a gazillion times or whatever.
So I'm familiar with like what his look is at this point in his life.
And that's the thing that's a problem for me with the way that they approach the de-aging
for him is like, oh, man, such an incredible like Jules.
If he lived his life, I would have loved it.
But instead, we got this like really kind of like scary like it always just to me comes
off as like an old man trying to be a young man, like like almost like the joke of never
been kissed of like, you know, every, you know, the movie wants you to believe, oh,
yeah, we're totally pulling off that he's a younger man, but he's actually older.
But you just clearly see that this is like an older man and you've just like dolled him
up and it just looks like the Steve Buscemi meme, right?
Like, what's up, fellow kids?
Right.
Or we just recently saw not another teen movie in that whole bit.
Like, yeah, the really old woman being like, it's pretty good.
It's pretty good.
It's it's pretty good.
It's funny.
And then the whole makeout scene with her is just insane.
Can I just say like, just as a concept, like this kind of superhero isn't really my cup
of tea.
Yeah, I agree.
Like fly and like shoot fucking energy blasts out of their fists and just impervious to
everything, which is what she becomes by the end of this.
And that's just like not super interesting and just getting blasted by nuclear blast.
Like, I don't know, just doesn't doesn't do it for me too much.
No.
And like that to me is the fairest criticism from all the trolls out there is like, I yeah,
you know what?
I can sympathize with this issue by and large that Marvel will always have where you have
to establish who's more powerful than who, because you need to understand power levels
in order for battles to happen.
And like that's by and large, like what you're always kind of working towards is like people
fighting against each other.
And so you have to establish like what level of power people have.
And a lot of criticism is, is that she is to your point, is this kind of amorphous power
of light beams that are just able to disintegrate.
I don't know if there's a problem with it.
It's just like uninteresting for me, and maybe people do have like that.
Yeah.
Seeing the power fantasy of just being able to just blast off into space and take down
a whole fucking ship and by like, you know, just flying through it.
But then how do you raise the ceiling from that?
Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, absolutely.
No, it's impossible.
Really.
You kind of, you know, paint yourself into a box where you're like, because I remember
with Endgame coming out and this movie in the press about it with Kevin Feige, right?
Kevin Feige.
Yeah.
Talking about how he is.
His whole thing is Captain Marvel is the strongest superhero out of all of them.
And that's the direction he wants to take the universe is he wants to take it with a,
you know, a female that is the strongest character.
This is what the future of Marvel is going to look like.
And I think that it's clear that this is what the future внешwe Nous basically interested
in.
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Everything that seems special about spectrum checkout looks like it's just one of those
pieces of sketch that we 120 raveled it.
When ruok rolls up and goes leaning the nerf, track them down, I feel like that was elsewhere,
I blow ice, sea breath and that's what he's got.
What else?
He's just like in the middle.
He's got this kryptonite, you know, that's that's his thing.
But I guess Captain Marvel, I'm not I'm not sure what hers is.
But right. Like what is it? Yeah.
And that's another issue of this, too.
I'm glad you brought this up, because like that's another issue
with this character as well.
Fundamentally, is that it just this there's no real stakes in this movie.
It just it seems so like it, even though it doesn't reference
like those Marvel cinematic, the MCU.
MCU.
MCU, even though it doesn't reference all those things like it,
like throughout it, you can feel like it just is a part of something else.
It doesn't it's a hard time like standing on its own completely
because you can tell, like it's just.
I mean, not only the beginning of the movie and how it's just
you just pick up into the middle of something,
but a lot of it feels like it's
doesn't have time to be getting to the important stuff.
Sure. Just even in the pacing of it, which makes sense with it being
in between arguably like their two most important movies ever as.
Yeah, you know, which is a real.
Problem that this movie inherently has built into it.
Is that we are at the height of Marvel right now,
and this just seems like taking the wind out of the sails,
pumping the brakes, just doing this whole like really letting the gas
out of the balloon in the middle of the pen, ultimate height of Marvel.
Because I just honestly, the way that I've seen these movies go
from here on out after Endgame, I don't I don't know if they'll ever get back there.
To what like. No, I don't know.
I don't think so. And you know, and it's a war and gets like they fucking did it,
did like just, you know, let it let it. You mean like what is
I would love to see what the gross is of the like end game.
It's like three billion dollars or some fucking wild ass shit, right?
Yeah. And I mean, they you did it.
Spider-Man stuff like they're they're still having their their pops
and their and their moments and everything, too. But
they did it and it just hasn't been as interesting since that that moment as well.
That was like the height of it in my mind.
And this came right in between it and rode in, I feel like a little bit on the coattails.
But oh, yeah, because this movie was very successful,
but it couldn't really alter too much with the world and everything, too,
because it is the world is beholden to a lot of other stuff going on.
And yeah, I know it's like I feel like also to a degree,
like also to address like the powers and everything, like I've I have liked
some movies that feature people.
I know Thor is Ragnarok is one of my favorites.
If I had to pick out of all these Marvel movies, like maybe that one is my favorite.
And that's not like a hot take.
I feel like it's a lot of people. Do you rank like your top three?
Yeah, I mean, I like that one. I liked Infinity War.
I thought that was like amazing.
Just having them like writing a screenplay and incorporating all those character
characters and I like that.
I thought it was so cool that it ended with Thanos winning.
Winning. Yeah.
I was like, oh, wow, this is cool.
Like in a very popular movie to like fucking just kill off half of the characters
and then, you know, and then go into an end game is good.
Yeah, maybe like those two like together, I think is quite the feat.
But running through a great minor, very similar, I would say.
First Iron Man is good.
Yeah. But now in comparison,
yeah, I mean, my top three would be, yeah, it'd be Thor,
Ragnarok, Guardians of the Galaxy one and Infinity War.
Yeah, the Guardians movies have always been pretty solid.
Yeah, one in particular for me was I didn't really care too much for two
because I just thought the because another problem,
and I'm sure I've expressed this before that I always have with these Marvel movies
is that I'm just so fatigued and really don't care and get so checked out
when the whole universe or the world is at stake.
Yeah, because it's just too it's it's too much.
It's always like.
Mm hmm. Right.
Yeah. OK. All right.
I yeah, I don't know. It just bores me. So yeah.
Yeah. And I feel like that they've realized
they've tried to work around in different ways.
And even in this, they're trying to work around a typical origin story.
I feel like and that's been something that was played out
at this point in 2019 when this movie came out
and they're trying to figure out a new way to introduce a character
in their own movie and have it fit right in the universe.
And yeah, just you like you're saying is like kind of write yourself
into a corner over what what can be possible with this kind of character.
And then I remember, yeah, even in end game where everyone's like, well,
you brought in this Captain Marvel person like where is she?
She just says she's like off doing other bullshit in the universe.
And she's like not even there for some of it, because she's like,
I got other stuff to deal with, like half the half the fucking population
of not just your galaxy, but the universe is gone.
And I got to deal with other stuff.
You're not the most important planet.
And then she just comes in, which is right.
How like, I guess.
You know what?
This movie, like where it sits and everything and made me think of is
is and maybe you can relate is in anime.
I know I'm not a huge anime guy, but I've seen enough of it,
I would say, which is very little in comparison, I'm sure, to most people.
But like I I'm familiar with the concept of the episode
before the like end of an arc or like the big resolution of of a major story
will be like very introspective or could go back in time
and just like focus on like a specific point
in the main characters life that is important
to how they're going to be able to overcome the big bad in the next episode.
And I've seen that happen.
Like what comes to mind, I feel like is in Avatar, the last airbender
before they get to the all the conclusion of all the fire kingdom stuff.
I was just thinking about that show.
You're talking about having that sign.
Right. It just like it like takes a beat on an episode and just goes,
we're going to just bring it super, super small.
Where they go on vacation on the island.
Mm hmm. And just really like minimize things.
And then there's like a focus on a puppet show that shows like a rehash
of everything that's happened in the show.
It's great. Exactly. That show.
Yeah, absolutely.
And so I I feel like that this
might have ribbed a little bit of like that idea
of not focusing by and large on what is been happening
and just really focus on her story.
But it just doesn't come off as effective.
And I'm kind of curious now presenting that idea to you is like how why
why don't you think that this is effective in
talking about something specific to how end game ends up like resolving itself
or like how that whole arc resolves itself?
Because I just feel like.
It it doesn't speak to a character that is important
and that we just got introduced to doesn't really like it.
It doesn't really apply to stuff, but also to fundamentally
what this story is about isn't relative to the bigger thing.
Like, wouldn't this have been more interesting if instead of like focusing
on the dynamic between the three and the scrolls,
it was focusing on like heroes,
which it kind of touches on, but like a supernatural hero
starting like and because this is because technically she's like
the first Avenger, right?
And I remember it kind of being billed as that.
But this movie doesn't execute on that first Avenger idea really well.
And I think that could have been the tie in and why they thought
it was a good idea to put her in between these two to like kind of level set of
like, here's the first Avenger.
We've just gone through all of the Avengers coming together.
Now we're going to, you know, take it back like an anime and go to the first Avenger.
But it just doesn't it just isn't effective.
Yeah, it seems like they more just frayed it even more into a big.
Yeah, they just expand the universe more so than then close some loopholes
and address some things that have happened in the past,
which would be fun and interesting, especially when you go into a time period of
the 90s and and you got Samuel L. Jackson and Phil there.
But I think it would be too complicated and it would.
I'm sure the Russo brothers are just kind of like,
this is the limitations of what you can do with this movie in between everything.
And all that it does really set up in endgame is kind of just a day.
SX Machina from my memory, because she just shows up at the very end
and and also almost at all and just fucks everything up.
I mean, obviously there's the snap and all that all that shit and there's more to it.
But that's that was the setup for her and endgame.
And like, I don't know, it could be fine as well.
But just how how it bodes for this movie just doesn't feel.
And I think for overall, for a lot of the Marvel movies that don't work super well is
when it's just doesn't stand on its own well enough.
This one for different reasons.
Some of the other ones are beholden to what is happening in other stories.
Like I even like multiverse of madness.
I thought that one was like at least different enough to be fun and interesting at parts.
But even then that could suffer the biggest issue of that,
of being beholden to both WandaVision and and all that shit.
WandaVision and and I know, yeah.
And whatever doctors train like, I guess it was mainly WandaVision
that was the main thing that you had to like get into first.
And even like, I know the weird Ant-Man movie, I think, like I think that
and I don't know how big of a party was, but even that he shows up in like
the Loki show. And so it's just that sort of stuff gets to be a drag.
This one came right at the tail tail end
and putting it within that structure doesn't fully work with as well as some of the other ones do.
And alone, it doesn't either.
I just say for me, it's the structure. For me, it's the structure.
It's the dialogue. It's a screenplay.
It's and then when you put it piece it together back in your mind, it doesn't.
Come off as original or interesting.
Yeah, I mean, yes, I agree.
I agree with you, James.
We can take a beat on that.
Like I think overall, the direction, though, I think there's a lot of cool places
the camera goes in this.
And I think the director is a really competent director.
I don't think anybody is a bad actor in this, but I agree with you
that it is always a problem.
Like I like multiverse and madness to a degree.
But like the stuff that I don't like is all the needing to connect to other shit stuff.
Like the very beginning of it that goes into that really ugly, like
other world shit that they were like bouncing through in the CGI bullshit.
Hate that. But the second we get back into Sam Raimi, New York
and they're fighting a monster. Love it.
The horror stuff we've talked about it, the fight between the music fight
between two Dr. Stranges. Awesome.
And then the scenes where where Wanda is like essentially like evil dead
and she's like haunting a doctor strange. Love it.
But then we have to do Captain.
We have to do Fantastic Four. We have to do the multiverse.
We have to go, you know, have this the whoever the girl was did not care
not to say that she's a bad actress, but like I hated her character
because it was just like so.
Oh, it was. Yeah.
There was something about it that it was like we need her to be important here
so we can have her be important somewhere else.
And that just drives me.
I mean, that's what that opening was as well was setting that up
in a very hamfisted way.
And this one and you can feel the foreshadowing
and a lot of these movies are just like wink, wink.
This is going to be something later.
And you always watch out.
You watch the end credit or the mid credit and stuff like that.
Yeah, I kind of yeah, I kind of forget, but I guess we'll
we'll kind of go through these endings, ending parts.
And then once you got something else, sorry, I just.
Oh, no, I was just the just a girl thing was rough.
I didn't I didn't really care for it very much.
It just ends in that the energy blast with like the because this
that's what's so fucking it's just sorry.
Jesus, you're getting
it's not even real.
They're in like she's in like this room talking to a fucking construct of
someone that's not even like it's not even a real thing.
It's like.
I love it. It's physically.
Oh, yeah, she's great. And she and it's fun.
She's like doing well, doing the evil side and the good and like the other.
Yeah, yeah, all good.
But the fact that it fucking devolves into just shooting a green
like she just puts her hand up and just throws like you movie like
it's a construct to make her her feel more comfortable.
Like this is just the form I take.
Then why are you shooting green blasts to make her feel more comfortable
like about you attacking her, like change into a big scary form
to really fucking I don't know if you could do any like what is like
green blasts in that room mean it just meant nothing.
And it was like the most important scene in the movie, like the climactic
like battle like with the ultimate bad that was even lording over
Joolan idea of like an AI fucking like ruling the Cree.
There's some cool again, there's more cool stuff within the Cree to be
to be had, but there's like being ruled by this robot or AI.
Like that's that's interesting.
But no, no, not the concept's interesting.
But what is presented in this movie is not interesting.
Let me show you the strength of my power.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
And then she's just like,
hey, remember, remember, and they just both do the same thing at each other.
And like, how are you equating power?
You guys are just vastly different beings.
How do you both devolve into shooting blasts out of your hands?
You don't even have hands. You wrote you AI.
All right. That's all I wanted to say about that.
She. Wow. You got jazzed up.
Funny. What were the end credit things was?
What were they? I'm trying to remember.
Yeah. So the first one is her giving
a Nick Fury, the little doodad that is like the pager,
which he uses at the end of Infinity War. Right.
And then the second one is the Gus,
the cat coughing up the Tesseract goose.
Yeah. Goose. The goose.
What is the fucking thing called?
The. Yeah, whatever.
Yeah, that that was a funny bit, though, where Goose is like.
They what they like, something about they get captured
and they register the cat and they're like this.
The threat level is like high on the cat and then they scan Nick Fury
and it's like really low, nonexistent.
And then and then, yeah, you figure out like it's like not cracking,
but like something to that effect. Right.
You want to look it up? Yeah, sure.
I can find out real quick. It's.
Because it just shoots out those like and it's going to be in that
tentacles and stuff, yeah, tentacles and it eats, eats, characters.
The alien cat.
And then I was joking about it on your stream about how.
Yeah. Then the head of Marvell.
What is it? The scroll don't like cats.
Yeah. And also Brie Larson.
Yeah. Does not like cats and didn't want to be near the cat
when it was when they were filming.
Oh, that's like a personal thing.
Oh, I know she doesn't like cats as a personal like thing as an actress.
Well, interesting.
She doesn't like one of your own cats.
Oh, I wonder why.
Yeah. And then Nick Fury loses his eye and now it's just so cute.
What do you know?
Now I know I can now I'm going to just write on.
You know what? Cardboard.
That's like before we get into some of this, I mean, I guess I'd be a good time
to say and I'll just like just do a bridge version where it just
this movie is a prime example of review bombing.
And that was a big deal when it was coming out.
And it had a lot to do with stuff that Brie Larson said
about wanting
film critics to be more diverse and have have more people of color.
Well, I didn't know that. OK.
And she was speaking.
This was during Wrinkle in Time.
And she said something of the effect.
And I might be I should probably just pull up the actual quote,
but the essentially was like, oh, I like she's she's
not interested, not interested in what a bunch of 40 year old
white guys think about this movie and wants to hear more about
and hear more from people of color and different diversity.
And she went on to say, like, no, I don't hate white, white guys or anything.
Just she she was pushing for more diversity in film criticism.
And that was something that she came out with.
And this was right before Captain Marvel was coming out.
I think this was after Wrinkle in Time and all these guys
that are like big fans of mine and stereotypically.
So like our big fans of Marvel and everything like that
just like jumped on the hate train for her.
And this was. Sure.
After the time of Last Jedi, another movie that we talked about
and like Ghostbusters, like the Kristen Wiig and
Kate McKinnon and Leslie Jones
was Melissa McCarthy, Ghostbusters.
Yeah, you know, the like the lead up to to that movie and everything
actually affected something that we hold very dear here on polarized.
The Ron Tomatoes
algorithm, well, not the algorithm, but the structure of how they
have their site set up where after some of those bad reviews
and leading up to Captain Marvel, they started to get in a lot of these
review bombs of people that had not seen the movie because they were getting
their press screenings out.
So there was they opened it up
after press screenings like they normally do.
User scores started getting review bombed by people that haven't even seen it
and saying a lot of hateful things towards Brie Larson and things
that had nothing to do with the movie and because they hadn't seen it yet.
And so now they changed it after that.
So now you can only review after the movie has come out.
And then you can review bomb as much as you want.
But that was this is a really good example of it being a polarizing movie
even before it came out.
And people using using it to make their points about other things as well
and voicing their opinions about someone that plays a part in the movie
the same way like Kelly Marie Tran played a part in Last Jedi.
And people, you know, went after her so hard, she like shut off her Instagram
and because people just can't determine fiction from reality, I guess.
And, you know, even I was reading something about like someone hacking.
Leslie is Leslie Jones.
Is that from SNL?
Yeah, from in Ghostbusters, because people were just pissed off about
about Ghostbusters, so they like Hector and release information,
information, private information and stuff like that.
It just frustrates me a lot.
Me too, man.
I was really frustrated coming into this by a bunch of things, because also, too,
we're in the middle of a writer and actor strike and there's just been so much
shit that's been coming out that is just so incredibly frustrating about the way
movies are made, movie culture and all of that.
I canceled my Netflix subscription the other day and just I'm getting so fucking
sick and tired of, yeah, just I don't know the way that culture
and the way that businesses run regarding movies.
And yeah, like.
Say what you say, what you will about some of these movies that we've talked
about that are female led, it just is so like clear what is happening.
And it's such a terrible look for anybody involved in doing that, where
I was looking at some of the most poorly reviewed Marvel movies, but I was like,
what's some of the most poorly reviewed Marvel movies and the top two are
Captain Marvel and Black Widow?
Like, what does that say about your culture?
Is that you're mainly comprised of men that are really angry about
not being represented, even though you're represented everywhere else.
Like you just can't, I don't know.
You just can't be beside yourself.
And yeah, the same goes for all those fucking ghoulish CEOs.
It's like you just like.
Where is your humanity?
Where is your like somebody may like this and it's not for me, but that's OK.
You just feel so compelled to like go out there and be like,
no, I think I know the right answer and everybody needs to fucking hear about
how I have the right answer to this problem.
And if you don't agree with me, then you're a fucking idiot.
It's like you just move on.
It's like, yeah, maybe I'll watch this other movie.
Maybe I like a lot more.
But in my mind, they're all very similar.
This one is like, oh, my God, very similar to the rest.
Like I'm it just that's what makes it so funny to me.
Like they're like the reasons for hating it just like.
What? Because they're exactly the same as all the other.
I just felt fine.
I don't know. They're all just
in this one just structured a little differently with some poopy dialogue and stuff.
But it's like you you know what to expect.
It's delivering the things that you would hate about it seem more about you
than about the movie.
Right. It's like it's like a dog whistle
ass shit that we've just seen now so prevalent amongst internet groups
where they just like voice their opinion in a particular way
that really just communicates an agenda.
And that agenda is like really fucking weird and fucked up like.
Because all of you bombing this movie just means that you are afraid
of change fundamentally is like you're mad that women
are in movies in a leading role almost more than what the movie is.
Because again, it's not like because it's a terrible actress.
She's not. Why not come after the just the dialogue,
which some of these other fucking Marvel movies, dialogue sucks, too.
Like, sure. Yeah.
Like, let's criticize dialogue and want better for that.
But like. When you just go specifically after her, it really.
Clearly communicates to anybody who has a brain,
which is not the person who is reviewing this in this particular way,
because they don't have a brain, because they're they'd have to be a moron
to think that no one's going to see through their bullshit
when they go out of their way to specifically
criticize a woman in the role and really hone in on that.
It's like it makes me think of what was the other movie where,
you know, people would come out and go like.
It's not that I hate black people.
I got a lot of black friends.
Let me tell you about other black friends and other black actors that I like.
You know, I'm not a racist, but fuck this black person
because they're black when they should be white.
It's like, dude, come on.
Like, like a little mermaid or something.
I think it was for like Tinkerbell and Peter and Wendy or whatever.
But like, yeah. Oh, yeah.
We're talking about in pen and pen and Wendy.
Yeah, like, oh, it's just it's. Yeah.
I mean, those are some of those are some of the reviews that we shed
light on then, I think, as well.
And I think it's just worthwhile talking about some of those darker
corners of the Internet and those people that reside there
and that feel like they have power to bring some of these things down
for reasons that don't again don't have to do with the movie.
The movie hasn't come out yet for a lot of these review bombers.
And it's just pathetic because they use this as a pedestal
to think that their opinion matters a bit more because they, yeah, they,
you know, put their put it online in this in this aggregate
and think that that has some effect or whatever.
And you can see in like, yeah, and like I was looking at like
how how steam does it in their their review system and everything
and how it's it's kind of charted.
It shows you how many hours played like recent.
It shows you more like recent reviews and the trajectory of like
accounting for those big bursts of reviews
where it might not tell the whole story.
And IMDB kind of does that as well.
And so there's sites that are trying to counteract this sort of thing.
And Letterboxd did essentially the same thing that Rotten Tomatoes did
when Rotten Tomatoes did it because it just wanted to,
you know, follow suit with just not.
They said this is a good.
Yeah, because it's like when you haven't seen the movie, why would you do it?
I'm the fact that they didn't have it to begin with is me.
It just is a scathing indictment on these platforms.
It's it's press release stuff.
And then it would drum up like interest and everything before people see it.
But yeah, people abuse it.
I'm sure that it's just abusing it for reasons that have nothing to do
with the content.
And that was something that, yeah, there was another one
that was like haywire as well.
That was that was one that was almost in the opposite direction.
The opposite. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
But to remind everyone, it is a 79 percent by critics, a 45 percent by audience.
Do you want to take a break at all before we run through these reviews
and give our final opinion or should I just go for it?
I don't need a break unless you want one.
I'm good. Let's do it. Let's do it.
Let's check out some critic
reviews here real quick from the 79
percent range.
You know, speaking of this change in rules,
it just blows me away how fucking moronic Microsoft continues
to always be in almost everything that they do.
But on Xbox Game Pass and they're like game marketplace,
you don't have to have installed the game in order to give a review.
So time and time again, people will go in there and just review
like wackadoodle shit and just review it negatively just because it's like
kind of what I would imagine is, yeah, like I'm I just imagine
a fucking teenager like getting stoned and just being like,
I'm going to just fucking review like right crazy shit on the Internet
because I find it fun and you don't have to download the game
and then it affects how like the reviews of stuff because like,
you know, the reason why we do this and like I know that this is a good case
of not valuing the review system because it's not representative of the film.
But it matters like I I'm guilty of it.
Like I will look at something and go just to consider the review.
Having done this podcast, I I'm not as a maker.
Basing it. Yeah.
Yeah, it doesn't make or break it.
But I mean, with video games, it's the same way as like,
I'll just look at and go like, oh, if I had to choose how I spend
my limited amount of time on this planet, I do want a little bit of information
to inform the decisions I make.
But if those those information places are totally fucked off,
it just sucks for all of us.
Doesn't tell the whole story.
And this is a story that, yeah, to add some some context and a movie
that we floated around that I think we're never going to do.
That I'll just mention is Morbius and like a different way as well,
where it's mean and then brought into a higher value
from users just as a fucking joke.
And that's just yeah, that's another version of like review
bombing in a positive way because they're bombing and a lot of them
not even seen and just wanting to write a funny review.
You've seen the movie. No.
We could do it sometime, but it's you said it's a it's a terrible movie
to do that, like I'm so about like a movie being so bad that you meme on it.
Yeah. After after watching Best of the Worst the other day,
I put on Nick Schulte was over and I put on Stone Cold.
Hell, yeah. That movie fucking rips, but it's an awful movie. Oh, yeah.
Like, I don't know.
Make sure that's a great combo.
Do do weirdo reviews and shit for that movie.
But like, man, Morbius sucks.
So Kenneth Turan gave it a 90 from the L.A.
Times. He says, Watching Danvers story play out
complete with boggling plot twists and a scene stealing friendly feline.
It's hugely entertaining and it can't be overemphasized.
Now, how central Larson about to become the most recognized
woman on the planet is to the enterprise.
I thought they were going to say how much of Goose was going to become a.
Oh, look out for Goose because he's going to blow up.
He's a new guy. He's going to be the new guy.
I feel you got to you got to you got a goose adjacent over there.
Look at that little guy.
He's a Tucker little girl kitty kitty cat back there
and just lying next to my Totoro.
Plushie and having a grand old time.
Let's go on to.
Variety Owen Gleiberman gave it a 90.
Bowden and Flecker, low key American neorealists.
Whoa. Wow.
And in Cassey, low key, not not Thor and the Captain Marvel.
They barely retain a vestige of their signature style,
yet they have brought off something exciting, embracing the Marvel house
style and within that crafting a tile with enough tricks and moods
and slight of hand layers to keep us honestly absorbed.
Sounds like someone trying to convince themselves they liked.
And.
Travers Rolling Stone in 80, the film's low key.
No fucking shit.
Peter Travers gave this good one.
He says low key as well.
Not Thor, the film's low key charm and quirky humor grow on you
and create a rooting interest in what happens next.
It doesn't take the supreme intelligence of the universe,
original Thor.
But it's not Thor.
It's not Thor.
Which he has mentioned in his homework,
he stood to witness,
as he he he.
When he he was playing when he was playing,
his heart went from breaking.
was
little picture like most of Bowden and Flex other work.
Like half Nelson.
Let's move on to audience reviews in the negative range.
They did not care for this movie for reasons apart from the movie as well.
But let's let's check out some from Charlie.
Oh, gave it a one star out of five.
The worst Marvel movie in existence,
the writers behind this movie must have been working in a facility
with a gas leak because the script makes zero sense.
An explosion that causes millennials to become the most powerful beings
in the universe.
If this concept was true, wouldn't all of the people who were present
during nuclear blasts be superheroes?
Bad casting, lackluster dialogue, horrendous story.
There was an especially awful scene of our hero in a dream state
as Nirvana plays on vinyl to relax her and remind her of her childhood.
Maybe find a lead actress who was born before the grunge period ended
a major flop from our favorite superhero filmmakers.
So the qualification that it was from her childhood,
but that was I was just a song.
I didn't know it was trying to see it was from her childhood or something.
Well, but that's also just like categorically doesn't make sense
because it's not like Chris Evans lived in World War Two or whatever. Like.
OK, you think you think fucking.
Only listen to songs that are from your childhood.
You can only listen to songs that were made while you were alive.
Chris Hemsworth has been around for an internium.
I know all the songs.
People have to get cast.
They can only play characters that fuck off. Yeah, not even.
I'll just do it.
The thing with these one star reviews is like they are all very long
because people are upset.
So I'll just kind of touch on some from Queen Squid, one star out of five.
Very poorly directed.
I mean, first of all, you have two directors.
If one isn't enough, that's a bad sign.
Secondly, the two directors co-directed flops before this movie.
That was a strange decision for Marvel.
I mean, the the Duffer Brothers.
Yeah, or the Coen Brothers.
I mean, I don't know. There's a lot.
The softies talk to them softies.
Right. Wasn't it the Duffer brother who did the infinity war?
Oh, Russo's those Russo's.
Yeah, brothers to. Yeah.
Console your own MCU.
Oh, an idiot from elongated man forever. One star.
I'm sorry, but this movie was complete utter trash to me.
Yeah, I made a million dollars, but that's because it was sandwiched
in between Infinity War and end game.
This movie could have been a legend, but they had to get political
and demonize anybody that didn't like the film
and have cringe worthy scenes of men being evil
and persecute her because because her gender.
I'm sorry, that's not inspiring. It's cringey cancer.
It makes me want to jump off a building and end it all.
Please do.
Why? Why do we need this BS and female led movies?
Women are not all helpless victims.
There are people with bright futures and opportunities.
Oh, this guy's a feminist section.
Captain Marvel as a character is is terrible and she's unlikeable and and annoying.
Oh, how oh how Black Widow was wrong.
She could have gotten a movie first.
I love. Oh, how I love.
He's like, oh, how black when it was wrong.
She said she was fucking talking about where it's like, no, I'm not a sexist
because I like this. These women and women do.
Yeah, I women do other things.
I'm going to white knight black knight black widow was wrong.
She should have gotten the movie first.
This movie was lame and forgettable, sad, very sad.
All the talk about female empowerment and feminism.
This movie will be forgotten in someone's mind in just a day.
I'm looking forward to Black Widow, the heroine we actually deserve
and is a and is a complex, flawed, interesting character.
Something Captain Marvel failed at.
I mean, none of the yeah, none of that really makes sense.
People get heated and people get heated.
Let me see if there's one more.
And I hope they get so heated they have a fucking heart attack and die.
Like, yeah, I'm waiting to just read at the end like and also
like Monty Python.
Oh, we lost another one.
Oh, interesting. Oh, good.
This will be my final letter.
It's like, oh, no, the suicide.
From Esdras Negessen, one star out of five.
In the beginning, she is the ideal person, perfect in the climax,
finds out she was magnificent as a human and the end of the movie
is like playing a video game on God mode.
What an uninteresting plank of wood she is.
The villain was already weaker than her in the beginning.
So what struggle was she facing to begin with?
The message of the movie is that she is perfect from the beginning.
It's everyone else, men who was holding her back.
What a great message to young girls.
Self-improvement is nonsense because you're already perfect.
Don't take criticism for anyone and certainly don't try to be better.
It's never your fault.
It's everyone else's because you're already perfect.
This movie was a joke.
People are so angry.
This is not true.
This movie like that's not what this movie like.
I don't know. Like, it's not even true.
I know.
How are you getting all this shit from this movie?
Like I.
She was trying to figure out what she believed in
and then she finds it at the end of it that she believed in helping people,
which has always been the case.
Sure. But like she forgot that she needed to get back.
Yeah, she needed to get back to it.
And there are like and I thought that was one of the more effective parts
of the movie was those motifs or like the or like little flashbacks
and vignettes of her dealing with adversity and sexism and not like
maybe people got mad at them.
Maybe people criticize that.
But I actually thought that I mean, that that worked for me.
And maybe it is. It worked for me, too, because it was plenty of hand
this at Marvel stuff.
And maybe that could be argued that it is.
But I thought it worked well because I thought they were going to add
more crappy dialogue to some of those scenes.
And they didn't.
It was just good visuals of her.
You know, the go kart thing and, you know, falling off the rope.
And then what was there was a third one and then and.
Somebody just talking shit to her or some shit like that.
Yeah, like on the playground or something like that.
And I actually got emotional when she was when it showed all of those moments
again at the end of her standing up and looking down the camera.
And I thought like, that was good.
I like visually it looked cool.
It was awesome.
Oh, yeah. And when there was not talking, you know that like that that works.
So I don't know.
But that was like the most obvious, like thing that was like
directly dealing with sexism in her life.
And I thought that was well done.
And yeah, because I mean, ultimately, in my mind, it's just the arc is, is that.
Why does she want to help the scrolls?
And the reason that she wants to help the scrolls
is because she knows what it's like to be persecuted.
And that's it. Yeah, like that's all you have to get to.
Sure. Yeah, there.
Well, can do. I'm good.
I think and we already address the polarizing nature of this movie.
Well, the review review bombing, I'm down to give some final scores and move on.
Sure. Yeah.
You want to go first or you want me to go first?
Sure, I'll go first.
The the reasons that I'm going to say right now, the reasons
that I'm not crazy about the movie are different from a lot of those review
reviewers that that that criticized it.
And I feel like we've been pretty clear in this podcast about our
our criticism or like our criticisms, mine in particular of
the structure of the of the plot, the screenplay, the dialogue,
the stakes, like what it means within the pantheon of the MCU
and all that stuff and just the overall nature of those of these movies in general, like.
Maybe if this was like one of the few superhero Marvel movies out there,
like I can it'd be easier to grade it for what it is,
but it's really hard when there's so many of them
and it's just so oversaturated and there are a lot of lot better ones out there.
And I'm not even the biggest fan, but I've seen a fair amount.
Like, I don't know. They're they're nice to throw on.
It's a nice movie going experience.
Seeing him a second time does not bode well.
This is my second time seeing this, because, yes, I once on movie theaters and
it's it's enjoyable in the movie theater and that sort of, yeah,
obvious Scorsese, you know, Stan and you know, they are a little
like the roller coasters, you know, you go and you know, buy the ticket,
take the ride, baby, and have a pretty good time
and then move on with your life and they're pretty forgettable.
And this one especially just.
Didn't really.
It was inconsequential.
It felt like this this movie, unfortunately,
by no fault of Brie Larson, by no fault of Samuel L. Jackson.
Love, love the Mendelsohn.
Love that Mendelsohn.
Yeah, and especially blues as a as a villain.
I know he's got like the just cuts through the makeup as well.
Love him. Love the turn of him.
Not being the villain.
I thought that was that was a nice scene sitting in the house
and having them together like those are all good performance
and good actors that are working off each other.
That kind of cuts through the fat a little bit to the ability for it
to slow down and have that moment was really, really
that moment was was pretty nice.
But overall, the writing and the structure really held me back from
fully enjoying this and finding it like better than any of
a lot of the other Marvel movies.
So it will be a subpar score.
I'm thinking like high 40s, low 50s.
I'll do like.
A.
I'll do 48.
So, yeah, yeah, makes sense.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to be labor any points
that we've discussed on this podcast already.
Yeah, my issues with it is, is that I just really do not care for
a light beam shooting power.
Oh, my superhero movie. That's.
Also to the plot in specifically just introducing
all of these concepts in this movie, where we're at in the
to just consider a little bit like where we're at with the movies being released,
like just so much like you got to understand scrolls,
Cree, all these different planets, inter like relationships,
uprisings, all of this stuff really just doesn't matter to me.
I do like at the core of this that it is about protecting people
that need to be protected in this galaxy.
Yeah, I think we end up getting there.
I do love a Ben Mendelsohn.
I was thinking about that just him at the dinner.
I feel like I just imagine him in this crazy fucking makeup.
But he's like sitting back with like his hand
like on the chair of his wife, just like kind of just like,
God, he's the fucking best.
I love him. I love Samuel Jackson.
I just it was just really distracting the stuff that he was saying.
And then also his makeup.
So, you know, kind of obviously not my favorite Samuel Jackson performance.
And then, you know, I'm not I'm I'm sorry,
but I'm also not going to put Jude Law as young
rogue as my is a top tier Jude Law performance.
And there's just yeah, it's just so bogged down and by all of the Marvel shit
that I really don't care for where the world is in peril.
People just, you know, again, shooting light beams at each other.
Yeah, I don't think any of the performances are really bad.
I'm going to be pretty close to you on mine.
I'm going to be going to do like a I'm going to do 52.
Yeah, I'm thinking of 52.
Those are the ones I want to.
It's a little bit of range.
You know, it's a little bit above just because I've said before,
like 50 is a take it or leave it.
I would say like it's not a bad movie, but if you're interested in it, go for it.
Like if I were to recommend it to somebody and say, I gave it a 52 out of 100,
what that means is, yeah, like, I don't know if you have any interest in it.
Go for it. It's not a terrible movie if you like it.
Cool. But if you don't like it, it doesn't, you know.
No, yeah, I don't. I'm not going to take it personally.
So, yeah, I would say like a 52 is where I'm sitting.
Yeah, like Luke Warm kind of lukewarm. Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like we responded similarly.
We've had many discussions about Marvel movies and they've been around.
Such a such a long while. It's interesting dipping our toe into it.
You know, we've we've done some of the Disney
movies here on this podcast and we did the Star Wars thing, too.
So and I feel like those two went last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker were like.
Maybe that's a different thing, but just Disney with these with these big
franchise moments and getting fan reactions that, you know, are not ideal for them.
And even before the movies come out, people are already pissed.
Is not if you were to do for this podcast or for Disney and as well.
Yeah. If you were to rank those three movies,
so Last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker and Captain Marvel, how would you see them?
Oh, and Captain Marvel. Oh, last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker and Captain Marvel.
I would do from best to worst.
I do last Jedi.
Last Jedi, Captain Marvel, Rise of Skywalker.
I think I would. Yeah, no, I really don't like it.
Last Jedi. Right. I would probably put honestly, I was thinking about putting this above
and going like, I don't know, weirdly going Captain Marvel. Yeah.
Yeah. Rise of Skywalker.
Last Jedi would probably be me.
OK. Yeah, this that's an interesting rank.
Yeah. And then just like now Force Awakens, you're not invited to the Polaris party.
No, because you're like, by and large, enjoyable.
Like if you just if they had just made that God.
Wow. What a world we would have lived in.
Or it's like, oh, yeah, it's just this fun adventure.
And we're done. I like Last Jedi more than that one.
Oh, crazy. OK.
Because I would do Last Jedi, Force Awakens and Rise of Skywalker for those three.
OK, gotcha.
Wow. Why even do Force Awakens?
It's just the same movie over again.
Sure. That's like not necessarily a bad thing.
It's like if you were to do a serialized like, I don't know.
Yeah, like a serialized
IP like stretch or whatever, you know, every,
every episode is going to be kind of the same formula, you know.
Circular base and then you just and then.
And then you just serialize things getting bigger.
Star killer base does suck.
Yeah, I agree with you. That's star killer base stuff, man.
You can cherry pick anything out of that whole trilogy.
That's that's my only thing.
Yeah, like serialize is fun where you can just pivot to a different thing.
I get I get what you're saying with that.
But when it's like taking the same thing and like that, but just place.
Yeah, I don't know.
We don't have to we can't get in this. We just we know.
Yeah, this is all the stars bring it home.
James Marvel Star Wars fans are like, Oh, my God, they're doing this, too.
We're bringing it home.
We're talking about our next our next feature.
It's we've been doing some summary blockbuster movies.
So we're going to keep it rolling with bad boys to
know where the world sequel war the world's
bad boys to might be further down the road if you want to put that in here
and you're not again. But who are the words?
Let me pull that up, because then I know I for whatever reason thought
it was them bad boys.
What they're going to do, they're going to.
Come come get you another week, another week, another episode in the podcast,
because next time it's a critically favored war, the worlds from 2005,
a Spielberg joint, it's a certified fresh
75 percent by the critics is a poopy doopy snoopy 42 percent by the audience.
It's kind of surprising.
It really is.
Don't you think wouldn't you think it's the other way around?
I don't I just would expect that movie to be like high
like 70s high 60s or like 70s
across the board sort of thing or just everyone be like,
Yeah, it's pretty good, pretty good.
But I'm what we're going to have a guest on that episode.
And I've talked to other people about it.
And every time I brought it up, people are like, Yeah, I love that movie.
I've seen it.
You know, I've seen a bunch of times and yeah, so weird to think about.
It's rated lower than Captain Marvel, according to run to me.
Those people are pissed about Captain Marvel.
But interesting. Yeah, I know.
I know like the part with the sun coming back at the end.
I don't know, like the kind of resolution.
I feel like walking out of the theater, there are some people like so.
So how did they do?
We'll get it. We'll get it to.
Now, right.
That was a great impression.
Oh, how do they do it?
So, huh?
Oh, very quickly.
Oh, the sun's alive.
Sure. He just ran into fire.
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