Welcome to the podcast.
And let me just be the first one to say the dead speak.
Welcome, everybody.
The polarized pod.
This is a podcast about polarizing movies,
polarizing movies in the sense of Rotten Tomatoes scores.
We talk here about movies.
Surprise. You probably saw the title and was like,
that's a movie.
So they hopefully talk about movies.
And we do.
This is Polarized Pod.
And today we're we're continuing the saga of this polarizing
franchise now of the new Star Wars movies.
We are today talking about Star Wars, The Rise of Skywalker,
the conclusion of the Skywalker trilogy, a J.J. Abrams joint.
This movie is a 52 percent on critic side,
86 percent on the audience side.
So, again, this is a podcast about polarizing movies
in the sense of Rotten Tomatoes scores.
Sometimes critics hate it and audiences love it.
And that's the situation for this movie today.
I'm excited to talk about this movie because this movie has a lot in it
to talk about, arguably too much in it to talk about.
But we'll do our best to get to it.
I am not going to be doing this alone.
I'm going to be doing this with a little help from a friend.
And you know what?
In the spirit of this movie, friends are important.
And my friend to help me talk about this movie and my co-host
and also known as the forever guest, Mr.
James Lindsay, how the hell are you?
I'm back, baby, the forever guest.
I return every day to the dead.
Speak and somehow I have returned somehow.
Somehow I've done it.
Who knows?
Because you're you were born in a jar from Palpatine.
You are from Abrams.
I mean, Palpatine. Yes.
Yeah, you are.
They just drag me back to life.
We've run out of ideas.
We don't have any more.
We have a team. Come back.
Well, I would argue that they have lots of ideas,
but they just have too many of them that they haven't thought about long enough.
There are a lot of ideas. That's true.
There are a lot of ideas in this in this movie.
This movie is exploding.
Maybe not ideas. Yeah, but like people concepts.
Yeah, right. I don't know.
Like just family.
Philosophical argument.
Like, yeah, we're starting here already.
But the the two families in this galactic empire are them
skywalkers and then Palpatine's those are the only two that they have.
Exactly. For a galaxy far, far away that you would also would assume is big, big,
big. There are just only two families that matter.
Yes. Yes.
It's it's amazing how how that works.
And Palpatine Fox, we're getting right into it, everybody.
Palpatine Fox Fox.
Oh, I could. Well, we might end up talking in Ignatian about Palpatine fucking
because that we're starting as a concept that I that I can't even get over.
But before we actually get into it, I want to roll us back a little bit.
Just, you know, a tad and just kind of, you know, check in with you.
I want to tell you a little a little update on my end
and have a little bit of a little bit of a dialogue about it.
Oh, but OK.
Well, I mean, well, how are you?
Are you OK? I'm doing well.
I'm doing are we doing I'm doing good.
Yeah. I besides watching watching this movie today,
but I'm going to be getting married soon.
I'm going to have be having my bachelor party.
So you will be there.
I think I am very excited, but and very like nervous, excited.
And all the all the good all the emotions.
I feel like all the emotions, all the emotions every day almost.
But mostly just excited and can't can't wait for for all the fun
that we're going to have.
And with my soon to be lovely wife, Kara, who has been on this podcast before.
Excellent, excellent, excellent podcast.
You guys started a euphoria podcast for a minute.
I know now we would have to start in the idol pod.
Ah, we were to do it, which I've seen.
What's that guy's name? Just do it.
What's in order? Sam Levinson. Yeah.
Just do a total creepo.
Total creepo. Oh, is he? Total?
Yeah. Total skeevy creepo man.
Which is unsurprising because even you could interpret euphoria
as being very connected to the Gen Z's.
I guys to being very
a voice that is representative of a generation
that may come off as being perplexing if you are an older person or scary.
Even there's a lot of stuff in euphoria where you're like, good Lord,
is that what the kids are up to?
But. Yeah, he's a fucking weirdo,
and he made another show that is also incredibly weird
and highlights creepy, weirdo people and kind of makes them like,
I don't know, kind of puts them on a pedestal, if you will.
And it's weird and crazy.
And I'm probably going to watch every single episode.
Yeah, I'm good. I'm I got to watch it to at least check it out.
Car was saying something about maybe it's weird for me to speak on a recorded
podcast like out of turn when I don't fully know the facts.
But didn't we can kind of like made him reshoot a bunch right for that?
Yeah, sure. That was a big thing about it.
So what I've read is that
this show was written in a particular like from a particular point of view.
And then Sam Levinson wanted to have the weekend be a part of it.
And then the weekend being the weekend came in and went.
I'm actually looking to do a show that is that is mainly about me
if I'm going to do it.
So if you don't rewrite this to make me the main character,
then I'm not going to do it.
And Sam Levinson being the creepy weirdo that he is was like, oh, you want to,
you know, be this weird, creepy cult guy that it's going to just manipulate people.
That sounds right up my alley.
Let's do it.
And that is what the show's mainly about is is about that.
And so damn, I'll check it out.
Check it out.
And I will be tuning in every week because it is Cuckoo Bananas.
I can't believe people let this man do what he did.
But you know what? Here's that little curio.
Speaking of letting someone do what they do.
I know we are.
That city.
I know. I love it.
No, before.
No, that transit.
I'm not going to fully transition because I want to first ask you, Brandini.
How are you?
I'm doing well.
Thank you for asking.
Are you excited for for festivities, bachelor party and wedding festivities?
I am so excited because I like, you know, we had talked about this
is that it is just a wonderful time to get to just chill
and hang out with us as grown adults, which we just did as well.
We just did as well for my birthday.
And it is.
Yeah. Happy birthday, Brandini on the podcast on the pod.
Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that.
It's just really fun to just hang out with other grown adults
and just chill and do that whole thing.
So fun. So chill.
You know, not have to like, yeah, it was, you know,
it's nice to go to a pretty hearty party weekend
out with friends and no one really gets so.
I mean, there was an individual who's been on this bond.
You got to get pretty fucked up.
But outside of that, everybody else was pretty.
Yeah, pretty.
I don't know, handles themselves like adults.
And not to say that he doesn't necessarily, but yeah,
there were definitely some dicey moments where he was letting himself rip
and everybody was like, all right, all right, man.
But you know what?
He comes from an amazing place, like a good heart, I guess, is what I would say.
So, yeah, I just regardless of the optics of of anything,
fuck the optics, you know, I understand where he comes from.
And even though it may not fit into conventions,
it doesn't matter at the end of the day because it's not like it's coming
from a place, a bad place or a place in one.
Exactly. And everyone enjoys each other.
Everyone enjoyed each other's company that that whole whole weekend.
And that was something that was really special
to have that kind of chemistry immediately with.
Yes. Some people and friends of yours that I haven't met
and I consider them my friends now.
And that's just the coolest thing, because I had so much fun that I mentioned
to you that we just got to do this and making an annual
brandy birthday lilies will be and doesn't have to be on your birthday.
Just like summertime at a lake.
Somewhere where it's hot and there's a lot of time to be on the water, man.
Yeah, it was so great to be on the water because once it was hot out there
and have a soup, but once you get on the water, it is a lot more manageable.
A lot cooler out there.
Because, yeah, you just get a lake in Arizona for anyone who's wondering.
That's a yeah, not too far from Las Vegas.
No, not at all.
I want to say it's like an hour and a half, two hours south of Las Vegas.
Yeah, yeah, but no, that was great.
Cold, cold water, hot weather.
And it's cold and that's also the name of our nangle.
Yeah. And a nice cool bed.
Oh, man, I had so many, especially on fucking what was it on Sunday?
So many apparel.
Oh, yeah, that was the drink of the weekend.
Yeah. Breezy brandy.
We went through two bottles of apparel within a matter of two hours, three hours.
Bottle bottle of apparel is the piece that we
as we as a group set and the charcuterie.
That's when you get more adults.
We had a charcuterie and apparel spritz.
Oh, my God. I can't get over that.
Bree pepper jelly combo.
I love it. I'm a big Bree guy.
Oh, yeah. And I got everyone tuned into some pickled asparagus.
I'm very proud of that because it was a hit, man.
Everybody was loving that pickled asparagus.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
And we also had a pregnant woman with us, you know, wasn't parting, but
obviously partook in the charcuterie board.
That's something she's definitely got.
And, you know, she was all about pickled shit,
which is kind of a stereotypical pregnancy thing.
I don't know if that's always universal, but I don't know.
I guess I'm pregnant.
I know. Yeah.
Knock me up because I want all the all the pickled stuff.
That was the other time we hung out was like, I took a walk to go get a Mexican
food while everyone was watching the finale.
Of succession. And I was hanging out, waiting for my burrito.
This is such a great story.
This is such a Southern California story.
So I was walking around to go get my burrito and I was sitting there.
I just made it, put, grabbed a little soda cup lid, put a shit ton of those
pickled carrots, Mexican picks of carrots and just a little apple.
I'm waiting for my burrito.
Oh, it's the best.
Oh, my dad would get that little bag and like slide me over to the side.
We're driving back the burritos.
Just like for memory.
It's like, oh, I like and then he'd give me pickled asparagus and olives and
pickled green beans.
The pearl onions.
Yummy, yummy, yummy, yummy.
This is the yeah, this is the portion of the podcast where we talk about
delicious, delicious grub and good times, which we've been having some good times
looking forward again to another big, big special day for myself and Kara.
And so glad you're going to be a big part of it.
And you've been a big part of my life thus far and can't wait for the our future
of a friendship podcast.
Yeah.
Is there any other business?
Yes, there is.
There is.
I buried the lead.
I watched Way of Water actually.
Wow.
That movie.
So I wanted to bring that up and talk about it with you briefly.
Do you want to share your feelings?
Let's start with my feelings.
It's fine.
It's just OK.
It's a movie that I watched once and I'm like, I'm good.
OK, great.
I saw it.
It's not it's not bad.
You know, it's not.
Yeah, it's not bad.
But man, I just don't really have like I came out of it going like, OK, I got my
fill of it and I don't need to watch that for a long time.
I don't need to rush back and be like, you know, oh, you haven't seen Way of Water.
Let's watch this right now.
No, it's not even going to be something that I'm like, you know, kind of coaxing
somebody to watch so that I can watch it again.
It's like it's was it was it worth it?
Was it worth it?
It's not real.
I want to say not really, because like.
None of it is surprising.
No, none of it is.
It it's.
It's sensibly the same first.
Like plot wise, right?
I mean, the funny thing is that it is even has the same villain as the first movie
because he got reincarnated or whatever the shit happened.
And so it's just like kind of the same shit again.
Whereas like, yeah, OK, yeah, we got Mr.
Military Guy being the military complex being the problem.
You have the indigenous people being the heroes.
Love that narrative for us.
But yeah, it's so much it was a little bit of a step forward, but as much of a step
forward as it was like an expansion of the world and the world and a set up and a new
foundation for for the rest of it, I guess.
And yeah, I'm trying to think like so the it was it was too long was like the the action.
Something that was interesting enough was the look.
The action is interesting.
It looks like off putting it all for you.
Do you think the effects hold up and the money is there on the screen?
It's just more like the narrative.
Sure. It's just kind of like uninteresting to use.
Yeah.
It doesn't really have a lot of besties.
So we got to know blockbusters.
I know. Right.
I mean, it doesn't really have that interesting of a point of view.
So all of the relationship plot wise, especially the stuff with the teenage Sigourney Weaver,
I was like, oh, yeah.
OK. OK. All right.
All right. Well, I mean, OK.
And then it's just yeah, it was just so almost comical to me how there are so many beats
that are so similar. But in a different setting, you know, instead of the forest where we're near the ocean.
I got loves water. Did you like any of the big spoilers for way?
Why? It's anything big. But do you like the big fish?
What is that big fish? Do you like any of that?
I mean, that's what I thought that was. Yeah.
I like a lot of that action.
I don't know. And those messages for sure are very like it's almost like melodramatic.
A lot of the beats and very on the nose, you know, these and how he refixes certain roles is interesting.
It almost reminds me of T2 from T1 to T2.
Which I just watched.
Hell yeah. I mean, that's yeah.
Refixing like Arnold into from villain to hero, I thought was a cool move, but essentially is a very similar story.
It just has like the Terminator and the kid kind of bonding in that way.
And it kind of expands, which is awesome. That stuff rips.
It's like more advanced Terminator that's coming up with them.
And yeah, just like all of that looks like a lot of similarities to be Snoopy now.
And then he does aliens as well, which is kind of just an expansion of the alien.
Like I feel like that's kind of something he is equipped to do is the those kind of sequel.
So it is interesting. Yes.
Seeing this world building some of the sequel for sure. And that's what I was thinking going into it.
And him knowing that there are so many on the way and not having to arrive at a for sure ending resolution for everything is something that I think everyone knew going in.
But also, I feel like that affects sometimes my enjoyment enjoyment as well of like, oh, I feel like I'm just being led on a string here a little bit.
But absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like necessarily run back to watch it, but it is kind of like a feel a feeling I get out of it rather than like a heady sort of like, wow, that really makes you think it's more kind of like, oh, I'm going to if I want to feel like this, then I might.
Yeah, watch this. I want to have fun at the movies. Yeah, totally cinematic. Yeah.
I mean, definitely there's something to be said about just a very, very competent act like big blockbuster action filmmaker, where it's like, yeah, movies can be they don't have to be crazy interesting or have like a, you know, some more honed in specific point of view that has some depth to it.
It can just be something that is fun, big roller coaster and amusement park.
To borrow from Scorsese.
First from Scorsese.
Marvel. Yeah.
I don't know. Like, it's just so funny because like I just watched. Yeah, I just watched Terminator two. And yeah, there are some really awesome action movie stuff in there. But what I will say is, is that with high definition, all of it starts to look really poopy.
Especially what was so egregious to me that I couldn't help but laugh at now is that sequence where they're getting chased by a helicopter in the aqueduct in L.A. Right.
Clearly not like a rig or. Oh, right. The act.
Clearly, you can now clearly see it because of the definition of television and film and whatnot.
I can recall that. I think even at the time, I've been watching that on VHS. I feel like even beat around people like kind of chuckling like, yeah, that's that's not. Yeah.
That's not him. So, God, that actually sounds so good, though, too. That was a good one. But then you're a big T1 guy. You're a big Terminator. And I'm also a big alien guy.
Yes, alien or aliens. I'm an alien guy, not alien. I am an alien. I always actually. So I will just say my biases going into the way of water is like, I am not a Cameron fan in the sense of the film franchises that he has.
And for, you know, to his credit, made more digestible and popularized T1 and alien are way better movies in my opinion, because they in my mind objectively accomplish the what the what the concept is, you know, like.
In my mind, Aliens is a horror movie and alien is better at that than aliens. Yeah, it's just like an action movie. Yeah, exactly. It's very much an action movie and Terminator Terminator is almost like a thriller.
I was exactly which is very much of what it should be is like this, because the concept is still the same in Terminator two or the plot, at least of like you or somebody getting hunted. Right. Because the basis of it is that a person needs to get killed in order to change the change the future.
And it is so much more thrilling in my mind.
For Terminator.
And Terminator two.
I have a hard time going back and forth that one and not. I'm like, pretty much almost on board with you have a hard time it's been a while since I watched T2 but I watched the Terminator recently and it reminded me how much I watched like growing up and like I'm like, Wow, this one is way more familiar to me than T2
but I watch it and the whole like plotting sort of like the presence of him slowly coming at you right of him like is like, and I love that whole sort of gradual reveal of her finding out of him killing everyone named Sarah Connor like that.
And the build up is just really great storytelling and moviemaking. And it's so fun to think about Cameron kind of working within those small like smaller means to make that story happen, and not having the ability to necessarily necessarily like show the future how it, you know,
not telling this amazing story of yeah like subtext of what you're describing of the future you don't necessarily see it but the writing is so good you can you can imagine it just seeing through that little bubble and yeah, getting an I get an idea of time travel mixed with
robot. Okay, it's just it's a naturally great idea to me it's make sense why they made so many sequels and why it's hard to to accomplish the same thing that the first two did.
And yeah, definitely alien guy that's one of my, it's either alien or the thing or like my favorite horror movies and sci fi horrors are so fun and sci fi thriller I guess would be the Terminator.
Sci fi movies. Speaking of sci fi movies, or do we talk about Studio Ghibli Fest now we should probably we'll save that. Yeah, we'll save that we, I, yeah, been into Ghibli I saw a Kiki's delivery service and theaters and it was great.
That's all I'll say about that. Oh yeah, down to biz. I mean, we got a list that was kind of fun but we'll, yeah, we'll maybe revisit that another app. We got to get into this.
This is a movie. This is definitely a movie. This is a ninth in the saw it they call it the Skywalker saga. Is that what they call this thing.
Right. Right. Keep getting my voice higher.
This is the rise of Skywalker. What do you think of that name we'll start there.
I don't like it mean anything to me. It means nothing for me. It does nothing after seeing the movie I'm like, I guess.
I guess she's a Skywalker at the end I guess and even that moment doesn't really hit full like resonate with me, even at the end when she says she's a Skywalker I don't know.
Because it's so incredibly hand fisted especially in this movie because this movie is trying to reconcile a lot of what I would assume in JJ's mind this steps that Ryan Johnson took to try to make this story that you argued more interesting so now I felt like I should come
into rise of Skywalker being the opposite of our last episode right, because I was being critical of last Jedi, as not being as enjoyable as I wanted it to be because it was.
It was.
What was it what what did I say about it. What don't I like about it is that it is trying to make these.
It's trying to take the franchise in a different direction, and I didn't necessarily like the direction it was taking it. And the reason that I didn't like.
Right. Yeah, the reason that I didn't like that direction is because I was coming at it from the perspective of like, I love the. I love a new hope a lot. I also like Force Awakens a lot.
I mean, we went and saw that together and we talked about it. It's like, it is what I would want in a Star Wars movie isn't my favorite. No, but I definitely like Force Awakens out of the three.
If I were to, you know, if we yeah maybe we do some type of list at the end of this but I can do it now I mean I do last Jedi Force Awakens then rise probably I think your last Jedi is my favorite.
Fair. Okay. Yeah, I would do Force Awakens last Jedi, I would just do it straight down the straight down the barrel. Yeah, I mean it's spoiler like like we're not we're not big fans of this one like it's not it's not going to know and be a tease at some point it's going to come out, and it's interesting that I feel like.
Even though you didn't like the last one and I know you're, I'm sorry and you're, I'm kind of interrupting you're getting into your feelings about this one too but I just think with both of us, it's frustrating no matter how you look at the franchise it's frustrating all the missteps that they
clearly took with this franchise as as a whole.
Absolutely. It like, yeah. They took so many missteps Ryan Johnson tried to do something different halfway through a franchise which I agree with you like is just not going to work.
You got a not chill bro.
And then they try to finish out this one after he's like, it's almost he went on a side mission and then JJ has to come in and do a sequel to Force Awakens as well as an ending to last Jedi which do in a weird way if you like different things, when it should
be all one thing. He's like retroactively trying to work on those little nuggets that he plays kind of in Force Awakens, but then he's been. He's now faced with this other stuff that Ryan Johnson has put in, and then he uses some of it like he uses the Jedi phone
call. She goes back to, you know the place where the porgs are where Hamill Hamill was or Luke was and everything like there are aspects from last Jedi in here which I think are like interesting how that writing process probably was but right man I just
just makes you makes me question how much they knew going in. Do you know was she a Palpatine always that was that the plan from Force Awakens Do you know that information or we should probably know this bit more but I, I'm not even sure if that's the case.
I know I don't I don't believe from the from the first one, because it's just I because to your point is is that I don't believe that there was ever really an arc.
Yeah, like they hear him that's crazy dude.
You know it was out yeah because right the Force Awakens is so formulaic open ended.
It doesn't.
It doesn't really, yeah, it doesn't ask a question and answer any of it, it just goes, I'm going to, I'm going to present a bunch of concepts which JJ is good at, but then correct to this to the detriment of this movie what he's terrible at is concluding things
you know kind of a known thing that he is a bad at because he is just like my mind lost ending is kind of polarizing as well in that way that wasn't him that was Lindelof but I know they've, but that they talked about.
I think both of them and with the production of that show that idea of like, and I think they knew a little bit more specifically like what the ending was the period at least at the end of the sentence, or gatorade right, is that what you're talking about.
Right, or just, well the period at the end of the sentence or like getting to the, they knew the beginning and the end but the middle. They didn't fully know what that was and they this term that I feel like they coined was like writing in the fog maybe it was already
written in the fog, I don't know if I've ever heard that one before but they discussed that with loss where they extended seasons, full of content just because they were making good money with the show is very popular and so some of that stuff is almost disingenuous to the audience
with information because it's not vital to the overall plot. And I, that's kind of where I hone hone in on JJ in this movie where I don't feel like he's respecting the audience in a weird way, like with like information and like how it's divvied out all that
stuff I thought was and having the rug pulled out from underneath us I thought was just kind of cheap and not didn't feel like satisfying how they how they divvy out the information to the audience because yeah it's like they give you a lot and then the payoff doesn't really
come through in a way that that feels good or is it if anything that just keeps going like it just keeps coming up with something different rather than resolving what they just put out and this is probably what a lot of commentary on this movie has been when it's been out for a while, you know.
Yeah, there's a couple moments to that I just thought were so like representative of the problems that I had with the movie that I'm hard to my notes about it, which is, I know this is like at the very end but this isn't anything that's going to tell us it's hard
to go going through the story, chronologically is impossible to go through. Yeah, it's insane but like a great example to me of the problem of this movie is is that right at the very end, there's a moment where Lando looks over to the like,
the, oh my god, the storm, ex stormtrooper woman, and then alludes that he's potentially her father, and it's like, why, why would you do that, like, you're never going you're never going to answer that.
And you're going to present a concept like that right at the fucking very end. And there's so much of that in this movie that it's just it presents an idea with just reckless abandonment of like, isn't this cool isn't this a odd experiment.
So I'm going to put this in the movie to entertain you because it's almost like looking at just the presenting of an idea is what if, what if oh so fun to, you know, oh, let's, you know, kind of looking at it from like a really fucked up like,
it's kind of lazy perspective of somebody who doesn't understand, like marketing or media cult or online media culture where they're like, I, what, what I'm told is that we need to just present all of these concepts so that then there can be a dialogue online
about it. And that's how movies ride and live and have a second light is that there's this whole, you know, people write fan fix they'll do this, the internet will grab that I notice, Lando might actually have a daughter, oh we can make a whole
thing out of Lando's daughter side story or something like that about formerly being a stormtrooper.
Like, I mean, that's, it's, you don't want to be cynical but it's hard not to be when it's so brazen with some of some of that shit where it's like, somehow that's fan service that's not even that's not even fan service like why why would we care if Lando has a daughter and they're connected somehow.
And that energy was like, what do I put in my notes was like, it's like, because we should find out and you're like calm down Lando like in that energy was almost like you were not sure if he was a father, or he was like, interested sexually because and I
was like, I'm not sure if he's dad or daddy or daddy or sad. Like what is because he's like, yeah, I guess we should find Billy D cannot deliver lines without just being having this like sexual like back to me.
He's mahogany right or is that or no was he in mahogany or was it. Yeah, it was mahogany or I wasn't sure if it was the Billy Holiday one.
It was the habeasThere were issues with the
beer, and then almost takin away is think about.
Talking aboutbakers stuff,ズ
Z Z From Okay, so we're going to try our sort of
like, if only I'm just giving him shit because like, regardless, you're a 65,
68 year old man and you're just coming at that line delivery as like, yeah,
I got that too of like, does he want to fuck or does he want to reconnect?
Like what is, what's the deal here?
Tough lines within like five seconds.
You got to establish like I'm your daddy in this whole big universe.
I'm your dad.
And then not only that, but how they find them and they don't even.
It's let's talk about Piglet Coachella.
I don't know.
I like how we're going backwards through this movie, but like, I don't
like a piglet Coachella.
It's like, he just is there.
He's like, hey, how's it going?
This for this is just smiling.
It is every 42 years, which is when the first came out.
And that was a nod to that.
That's why the festival happened is in 42 years, because that's when the first one came out.
Yeah, there's all that shit in here.
There's so much bullshit in here.
Yeah, Orlando says, but it's so it's ruined so quickly.
Piglet Coachella when Ray is as hard as the puppets are so I love puppets.
Oh, those puppets.
I love practical effects because that was my like that is always going to be my biggest gripe.
Right.
Of the prequels is that since it's so blue screen, everything will
in perpetuity kind of look like shit.
And also all the actors look like.
I know Hayden Christensen acts like a robot regardless of what movies he's in, but it
really doesn't help that he has very little real to act against.
And so those movies suffer so much because it's like.
He already has struggles with emotion.
And then to get to that stuff, you're just like, oh, this guy has nothing tangible, especially
as like a younger actor at the time.
Like, it just seems so imperative, and that's why it's always just so funny to just like
all these Marvel movies, like especially the quantum mania movie that came out was so such
a good example of that to me of like, especially a person like Michael Douglas acting in a
void where he's like, that's not his vibe.
Like, he's never really been that actor.
He's always been an actor who's in like these very realistic, almost zero CGI movies where
he's acting against people and real things.
And then to put him in the quantum mania, he's just he just looks like he's like out
of place.
There's no idea what the fuck's going on here, because could you imagine as the director
telling fucking Michael Douglas like, OK, Michael, so there's this whole world.
There's a there's a there's a head flying around with a butt on it that's going to talk
to you in this scene.
And it's going to.
And then you're going to say, holy shit, that guy's a butt or whatever.
No, that was on Brandon.
That was unscripted.
Oh, yeah.
He's like, what the fuck is that?
What the shit is that?
Great, Michael, whatever.
Yeah, we'll just we'll go with that.
We're fine.
Let's just let Michael have it.
Every day on set is ten million dollars, so we got to keep moving.
Hey, guys, what do you want me to do for this one?
God.
So, yeah, like, I don't like the prequels for that because, yeah, just it doesn't look
good.
And then all the actors look still are so fucking stilted.
And then it's bogged down by a bunch of bullshit that no one really cares about except George
Lucas.
And then so to go back to this movie, I think the third one's pretty good.
But yeah, the third one's my favorite.
Yeah, the third one's my favorite for sure, because it does have a little bit more practical
effects because it darkness gets really fucked up.
Right.
Because I feel like George should kind of put this like we're like.
Even on himself, that he has to visually connect that third movie to the fourth movie.
And so visually, it needed to be more practical, because if it's not, then the transition of
somebody were to watch one like to start Star Wars and watch it like in order or whatever,
it would be such a stark contrast to especially to where there's like so much unreal, like
non existent shit, blue screen shit.
And that's also my gripe with the fucking new Hobbit movies.
I was just gonna say, yeah, like the and even I was going to just going to bring up Battle
of the Five Armies, because what that movie tries to do is and ended up being a little
bit more of the interesting part of that movie when I watched it a second time was like the
whole little nuggets of setup for fellowship.
Some of that stuff was pretty interesting, even like the fanfic key, like or maybe that
is something Tolkien put in of like, yeah, Gandalf and Galadriel kind of like making
eyes at each other.
And I'm like, oh, I want to I want to see what happens there.
And they have like in Saruman's there like those in that meeting of them.
It's like, oh, this is like that.
You should check out the TV show.
Yeah, I didn't finish it.
But the thing I didn't like was, yeah, just like relentless battles.
And it just didn't mean anything because it was just such so so overblown.
It's I don't know if you've seen it, but something that like is an epitome of this
for the Hobbit movies is there's this behind the scenes and like Orlando and maybe somebody
else is like on a green.
Like what are those like pommel horses?
That's going to be a horse or whatever.
And then it's like in a green thing with a green box here.
And it's just like you just look at the actor and they're just like, I have nothing to work
with here.
I have to totally like it's a great example of because I've talked to plenty of people
who've been in movies where, yes, you like you, you don't shoot a movie in in like thematic
order.
And like there's all of these like moviemaking magic aspects of it that as an actor, it can
acting can be super ridiculous, even in a like a more grounded film, because in order
to create a movie, it isn't going to be in a way that like you don't get there from like
a character like you're not working again, like in thematic order.
So you have to like be at where the character is, where they're at the end of the movie,
maybe in the beginning of it, which figure it out.
Or just overall, like so many things will be out of context in the shooting of a film
that it can make an actor be like, I feel so ridiculous, like doing this, because I
don't understand where things are.
I don't understand.
You know, I haven't got like I haven't gone through what the audience has gone through
to with this character and all of that.
And you just have to like, yeah, like Hayden, maybe he's probably given a lot of direction
to be monotone and everything like that.
So yeah, I'm sure you could work around it.
Him a lot is if he doesn't deliver it with full one way or the other, we can kind of
have it fit whatever whatever need.
And even with Ian McKellen, I know there was that story of him like breaking down and like
because he just because they just he didn't know what was a he just spent however many
weeks in a green box just like acting.
And it's nothing and you're like, you got to feel for somebody like that.
Yeah, right.
You're like, I've been talking to a tennis ball for fucking two weeks and then everything
around like there's no wind, there's no trees, there's no anything like it's just green
boxes, green drapes, green everything.
And I'm again, yeah, talking to an inanimate object and like trying to derive emotion out
of it and it's just got to be so difficult.
But one thing I'll say about that trilogy is and maybe because it is based on a story
that existed is yeah, it had a through line.
They knew what they were doing.
They just did a lot of it.
Little little too much, but it had you know, the its foundation was in a truth of like
a story that already existed and they layered shit on top of it either from I don't know,
if they did any summer alien wherever they pulled that shit about like the creation of
Sauron and all that stuff in this and it becomes a prequel to fellowship as well.
Whether it works or not, I don't know.
I do kind of like it more than this trilogy for that reason, because this one as a trilogy
just fails as a trilogy as a three part structure thing.
And it's really unsatisfying when those those trails aren't met with a conclusion with some
of the stuff or some characters feel not fully fleshed out or even they're not even sure
what they should be doing as well or like how they should be playing certain things
or what type of character they are.
Namely, yeah, I mean, Finn has his has his moments and he did another like charge of
riding a horse type creature in this in this movie.
I guess that's his thing now.
And he meets up with another stormtrooper that is, you know, it's just just none of
that feels fleshed out as much and the care and including the characters and in this movie
in particular, particular.
Sorry, I'm kind of just riffing now, but I'm thinking of the pace as well.
If I can bring up the pace and like how much that must have been paramount for JJ and his
movies just to have that like going on the next week.
OK, OK, what's going here?
We're going here.
Yeah.
And then it turns up each scene is action or planning for the next action.
And I get that it's the last movie and things are kind of wrapping up and into a big battle
and all that.
But it just ends up kind of failing on both fronts, because in those moments where they
need a bit more resonance emotionally and to establish a little bit more characterization,
it really falls flat.
And that's where it really needs to come through.
Absolutely.
In order for those action scenes to have anything at stake or to mean anything.
And when it slows down, it's like even worse.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's like, oh, it's going so much.
I'm curious when they have a dial and then when they do, it's like, oh, well, I guess
we're going into the next thing.
It is to me such a glaring problem with this movie is that this is the third movie in a
trilogy and how much how much how many things are introduced here every single time.
It drives me nuts because it's like, stop it.
This is not the fucking movie to do that.
Things need to be wrapping up.
Start like really hitting home some ideas.
Let's start driving home the point on some stuff.
And you are adding so much shit into this where it's like you're going to introduce
it and resolve it.
Spoiler alert, they never satisfyingly resolve anything that they introduce into this movie.
It kind of just is like, you know, like Twilight Hour, man, like the very last moment in the
climax, they are switching lanes and introducing new shit with Palpatine and her in that whole
meeting at the end is a clusterfuck.
As with the rest of the movie, this whole movie is a cluster.
But that moment where there's just so many even newer ideas place every single time you
see Palpatine is dropping new stuff.
But to your point about needing to wrap it up, that's kind of how I felt the whole first
half.
I almost felt like kind of anxious, but just like, like, looking at my looking at my watch
a little bit like they're going on a lot of new characters.
There's yeah, like three side quests for the first half of this movie is like, yeah, there's
a MacGuffin.
Let's let's talk about the MacGuffin.
That's the thing.
Immediately get us back into the plot.
OK, so let's start with the beginning.
OK, so there's this game called Fortnite and you got to play Fortnite in order to get the
message from Palpatine.
And if you didn't play Fortnite, you got to guess what the dead speak.
Let's just reiterate the dead speak.
Somehow I guess it's a phrase that we're supposed to resonate with, you know, one of those classic
idioms of dead speak.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I totally.
So funny how right off the bat.
OK, dead speak.
And then before you return, Snokes a clone, you're going to be they just do that right
off the bat.
It's like, fuck MacGuffin and movie go.
I wish to that like I would like to think that all of those hooded people in the arena,
a Sith arena are all snips.
Yeah, that's fun.
They're all just a bunch of snips.
No, they're not.
They're kings.
Didn't you see the end?
What are they?
That's what I was trying to.
I like those real people are those like more ghosts like Sith ghosts of all the like I
thought I was wondering if that was a representation of like when he's like, oh, I am all the Sith.
I was like, oh, and then is that the representation in the back of those are all the Sith that
he is or those just actual people that have been like, yeah, I've been bankrolling all
these Sith destroyers and I'm ready to fucking go.
OK, let's talk about this.
OK, first off, like he just has like board meetings with them.
Like every like exegol all the time.
Yes, we would make another Snoke clown.
If you have any questions from accounting.
I thought they said exical like icicle, but like an ex.
I mean, I mean, it's not a great name, but anyway, the idea is kind of cool.
And it's crazy how it ends up being.
But the idea is like kind of kind of cool.
Like there's some ideas in here that are cool that just like, oh, OK.
I highlighted some of those in my notes where I would be like, oh, this is a cool idea.
Like I like this.
So first off is a dead army, a dead Sith army.
Cool idea.
So pretty secret Sith planet.
Yeah, yeah.
Secrets of all cool ideas really into that.
Yeah, I don't really have a problem with that.
Palpatine bag sucks, but yeah, Palpatine bag sucks for sure.
I yeah.
And then I mean, the festival thing was like pretty fun.
But at that time, I'm yeah, I'm looking at my watch.
What do you think of force healing?
Are you into that?
I'm into force healing.
I am, too.
I think it's cool.
I think it's it is pretty interesting to introduce this late, but also I love that.
And again, I'm using love for this movie, but this not again, but I just maybe for my
first time, that's a power that she manifested in a really cool way that's unique to her
that we've never seen before.
That's like, oh, raise a healer.
It's fucking cool.
I like that.
Right.
Absolutely.
Because it's not far fetched for the force, which is really a connect is the force in
my mind is about manipulating the force of nature and the force that it binds us all
together, kind of like atoms or, you know, just being so connected to the world.
But like, yeah, so it'd be her being able to heal makes sense to me.
I enjoy that.
I mean, the bond between her and Kylo like while making out at the end just drove me
a little fucking bad.
I like it.
We're we're like, fuck did this come from?
You know what I want?
And then it doesn't even matter, really.
You know what I want?
What you want?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what it's exactly what I want.
And then I want him to like, OK, go stay with me.
He pulls it.
He just like a light.
OK, not a bad idea.
It's a bad idea.
You're not supposed to agree with that.
I'm there.
I'm with you because I think he should just like climax and then disappear at the moment
of climate.
Oh, just like disappear.
And then she just falls flat on his clothes.
Him just disappearing is so lame.
I hate that so much.
That's one part I was like kind of OK with.
Like because that was like she talked about, oh, I had to give up my force energy to heal
this creature that was that was wounded.
And then she did it to Kylo.
And I guess that was a mortal injury as well.
But she's just really good at it.
So maybe it doesn't take all of her powers.
But he had like how did she get good at it?
She had like she was like completely depleted at that point.
And then I kind of like the idea of that in order to get her back.
He really had to give everything and sacrifice himself.
And it also we are that shit that they introduced late game.
Like what are the rules of all of that?
It's all just such bullshit.
Like where did any of that come from?
It's just like pretty much like everything else.
Like there's a part of me that kind of likes that.
And I feel like I kind of got it of like, oh, yeah, it took all of his force energy
to but then it is that kind of cake and needed to eat and immediately disappear.
He got to get that kiss and then he's like, OK, bye.
And then it wraps it in a nice loop of like, yeah, how do we deal with the fact that Kylo
is a murderer and he's just kind of come back into the fold as a good guy.
Now it's like now we got to get rid him.
We got to get her a Darth Vader when he comes back around at the end of Return of.
You can't stick around.
You did too much.
But he should have been part of the crew from the get go in this movie.
Make sure it could have been like a Zuko thing, man.
That could have been so cool.
Yes.
Right.
Like everybody's like, fuck you.
But he's part of the crew because there are both.
He knows all of Luke Skywalker's teachings like he knows he was his best student.
Absolutely.
Yeah, there's so much of the Knights of Ren or something.
There's so there's so many.
Where the Knights of Rains come from.
Right.
So fuck that, Brad.
I mean, they talked about it.
They talked about him last movie as well or like showed him in like the background of
like little little images and it sounds so much cooler than what it is.
I know.
Well, like just like earlier there and then get their ass kicked and then it's over and
it's just one of those like introduce it and.
It's a snooks.
What do you think of them mentioning the holdo?
We ought to do a holdo for Mary Mary himself.
We got to do a holdo.
Mary.
Brand new Brandy Buck, whatever his name is.
Dominic.
Oh, he's also in loss.
That's connection.
But yeah, he's like, what about the holdo maneuver?
All right.
Well, God, what a great homage.
Oh, isn't this fucking fun?
That's how I felt the whole time I do in the drop a line like whatever about droids.
We never underestimated droid.
It was like, fuck you.
Drew me nuts about the whole like essentially looked right down the barrel, the camera like
never underestimated droid.
And then they're like, yeah, but then they totally underestimate a droid because it's
helps the plot because it's C3PO has to get his mind to raise.
But then somebody's like, why can't you just store your mind on on R2?
And then the then three feels like R2 are it's, you know, known for having unreliable
storages and I'm like, that's not true.
He saved the planets from the Death Star.
It's just the most reliable storage in the whole universe.
The whole first movie of Star Wars was about him storing in a message on there and did
it well and took it to the person.
I'm like, this is just bullshit.
And he still had that message like last movie, right?
We played that same message again from that far.
What is this R2 storage thing?
Why can you store your it's like, no, because we have this after this emotional beat and
just totally fabricated and pull it out of nowhere at the end of the fucking at end game.
And you're just like, oh, it just drives me nuts.
However, Bob Frank's pretty cool.
I think school there.
That's a new planet.
And then what's your name?
That's a very rough.
Yeah, I don't know, she's got such sexy eyes.
Yeah.
And a cool helmet.
Got these hot, hot eyes.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I don't see them much more, but her eyes and I'm like, those are good eyes, though.
Those are winners.
And and her and Poe have everything.
However, I do kind of more so ship Finn and Poe, if you ask me, then them two together.
I'm into it.
I like I like their.
Speaking of Poe, I thought kind of fun.
He was a spice runner.
Dune connection.
Space Malone.
Shy Halood.
I had.
I couldn't get over that.
I exclamation pointed it in my notes.
I was like, oh, yeah, it was a spice runner.
Dune connection.
Spice Malone.
I definitely put that one in there.
I was like, oh, space Malone.
Spice Malone over here.
But this this spice running Poe because is, yeah, is that you know, is there a Dune connection
there?
But yeah, that's a spice.
I mean, that's got to that's got to be purposely doing reference, right?
I don't know.
Yeah, because I mean, this this movie came out before that movie.
But yeah, I don't know.
You know, the story, the the origins of Star Wars, obviously, the Dune has been George
Lucas loving, loving Dune and doing it for sure.
I think a movie like a space opera or whatever.
And God.
OK, so the the desert Coachella thing ends up in this pretty cool action sequence of
them getting chased in these like speeder things.
They fly now.
I wrote that down to me.
I was like, it just that that is all.
And I even wrote, which to me is like a great example of what the language of this movie
is, is that you can just have a character go like, this is a thing now and we just have
to get on board and just move on and just accept it.
And it was like just so funny to hear a character in a movie making it sound so meta where they're
like and like look into the camera and they fly now.
And you're like, they are being what?
Just like, yeah, just they stormtroopers, I guess.
I mean, it's cool that they do fly, but God damn it.
Let them fly away.
You got to say anything about it.
Let us enjoy it.
Let them cook.
Just like, you know, anyway, so yeah, there's pretty fun action.
And I like the worm.
It's undercut, though.
It's undercut for me because they.
Very serendipitously all get sucked into this thing, which they all survive.
Not really a lot of drama there.
They all just get sucked underground.
That's a terrifying idea to get sucked into sand.
Oh, yeah, but it doesn't really matter because they all are OK almost immediately and everybody's
underground now and be like, OK, well, I guess that's fine.
And then then introduces what drove me nuts is that we have this pyramid thing that gets
you the coordinates to exit goal.
But then they need to get another MacGuffin.
This is a double deuce MacGuffin.
There's two that exist.
And they what they do what they find down there isn't the fucking wayfinder.
What they find is the perfect perspective point of view in order to put your name in
the perfect spot.
I literally was like, turn the movie off.
Like there were moments of you.
I just had to like pause it.
Go have a cigarette outside.
It's a movie.
I have to go in and fucking continue to watch this bullshit where I was like at the screen
at the time and yelling at the screen because I'm like, fuck you movie.
That you introduce something like this that is so happenstance, so clearly happenstance.
And it just is like you.
It just is so unnecessary.
We don't need the knife.
We don't need a majority of this stuff.
Again, mind a rewrite of this.
Get Kylo on board because he also fundamentally almost from the jump wants Palpatine dead.
So why doesn't he become an enemy of my enemy is my friend from the get go and go like,
we're going to go kill Palpatine together, which then that whole reveal that it's like
Palpatine wants Ray to kill her.
But then also has this whole backup plan to suck the life force out of them to then be
to then like.
It just is so fucking dumb.
Yeah, it really is.
And that sucks so hard.
Essentially, I was telling the screen the whole time during during all that stuff.
Oh, it really got a problem.
I crawled out or whatever.
Yeah.
So so so Pal, they keep they keep Palpatine alive.
They put all the Sith people in him.
And Snoke was just essentially like a.
Like a puppet.
To clone puppet puppet thing, dad, for no need, no reason.
There's zero reason why I didn't show like how the fuck they fished him out of the whatever
shit that they threw him in and return to the Jedi, because I mean, I love that a little
bit of that of just like some guys like going some stormtroopers going down and fishing
him out of the bottom or some shit.
Right.
And I know something like that, because it's it's just like that's such the way that he
died now, who's to say you can't fucking come back now because he fucking got essentially
vaporized in the last one.
He's right.
It's like he was somehow somehow he returned.
I will.
I'm sorry.
Somehow, somehow the dead.
I'm glad you brought this up.
The dead speak.
I'm glad you brought this up because this is something that was really apparent in this
movie that I don't really like isn't something that I've never like I hadn't noticed before
in the Star Wars movies, but there are multiple times in this movie where people get like
super killed.
When I talk about super killed, it's like somebody you clearly see gets like vaporized.
Like I talk like it can be kind of comical to me when somebody gets like super murdered,
where it's like it's one thing when somebody gets shot and they're like, fuck, you know,
like I'm dying and you kind of like it happens off screen and kind of just like accept it.
But then there's this there's these moments of film where you clearly see somebody get
like beyond murder, like vaporized essentially.
And it happens a couple of times where there's like a stormtrooper that's like the jetpack
guy.
Yeah, like that goes into the mountain.
That guy caught me off guard too.
I was like, dude, I was like, that guy is like microscopic pieces.
He went from a full flesh human being to to like particles like, you know, and in your
head, somebody's decapitated head on a table at some point.
I was like, yeah, that one guy that like gives them the info at the very beginning when they're
doing that whole kind of like weird under what underground ice area and they like pull
up in the little Falcon and that guy or like, and then he feeds them the cable and they
like upload the whatever and that guy gets his head to capitated.
You're like, wow, there's just some weird like grew some ass shit in this.
And it just like the guy at the end to where he like runs to the window and is looking
out, then they show the explosion.
But you see his body like, OK, let's talk about Richard E. Grant.
Let's talk about Richard.
Yeah, yeah.
Let's talk about it.
I love Richard E. Grant.
He's like a villain in like most shit because he's just got that face and got that voice
where he's just like, I feel like he was nominated in like an Oscar.
Recently, for a recent performance.
OK, he's awesome.
I love Richard E. Grant.
Yeah, he was perfect.
I mean, it was kind of unceremonious how Domnall got dispatched with.
But I don't know, some of some of that turn was kind of kind of fun, but also like.
I just want Kylo to lose was a little hollow as well.
We're like, really, man?
You don't you're not into the cause.
You seem you seem enough like into the cause, not just about power, but I guess he's just
all about all about the power.
And if Kyle is going to have it, then, you know, he's just got to take everybody down
or whatever.
I really didn't like to in this movie that Kylo just is able to kind of magically appear
in situations like to Ray to.
Yeah, like or like actually appear, not that weird force phone call shit that they were
doing.
But it is that right.
And then you kind of visualize a little differently.
It's not.
But then there's then there's moments that it's not that like he is actually there on
that Death Star wreckage and just kind of appears.
I don't know where.
Right.
Oh, I mean, like he just shows going in and he just shows up and then or when they're
on the Piglet Coachella, like he just he shows up.
And then I did like that scene where Ray's ship.
Well, the reason he finds out the thing that whatever was shown in the trailer.
But the reason he found her at the at the Pigchella, which is where they push the phone
call force call a little too far is when physical fat like physical objects are getting pulled
and I don't like that.
That's where they go too far.
The connection thing, even as you know, whatever convoluted and they didn't explain it at house.
I was the one who forged the connection between you and somehow somehow the debt speak.
It's another.
Yeah, I hate that.
That's the beginning of it, but the idea isn't isn't bad.
And the fact that it comes back in this one, sometimes in interesting ways, but they use
that physical item thing in a in a dumb, dumb way because I don't know, or just like a way
too convenient exposition sort of way.
And that's kind of you could argue that's how the origin of it is in the second and
the eighth one or whatever, too, is like it's kind of suspect of like, oh, we just need
exposition and in a conversation that they can have together in different places.
To move the plot in a different way.
This movie to me has something in it that has happened like is almost part of a lot
of popular filmmaking that is the fucking worst in my mind.
So this movie is like even more egregious because it's happened and I've seen it before
and I hate it and then for it to be the crux of this makes it suck even harder is that
even in this movie, it says I am the one.
Who has been pulling the strings the whole time because we're huge James Bond family
of your pain.
Awful.
Hate that.
It's it's stocks so hard in my so it's either convoluted or unnecessary.
If they do plan it ends up being reverse engineered.
This whole movie is reverse engineered to to that point.
But then for them to retroactively fix all those other things to that end is extremely
frustrating because then it tries to make a cinematic universe out of something that
wasn't originally and that speaks to like, oh, Marvel's doing well.
Let's try to make a little universe of like a Thanos or some shit and make it make it
all leading to Thanos.
But it's Blofeld.
And then they do that fan service thing to even a little bit.
It was like, oh, it's Blofeld in this one where it's yeah, just fucking like they just
give so much attention to shit that only matters if you've seen the other ones.
And that is just such a waste of fucking time when you should be doing something new and
original like I just come up with something.
It's one of those things where like how markets like a trend in a market is actually been
fostering right.
And it's then you it takes almost like years for it to like a prevailing trend to manifest.
And oftentimes what happens is is that the people who.
All these big movers and shakers that move so slowly end up implementing a trend.
It's no longer like a trend, like an interesting trend because it has already been done before.
And this is just another great example of an inspector did it to where.
Marvel had done this years before and people loved it because they're like, oh, I really
like the idea that these characters live in the same universe and there's this interconnectivity
to it.
And I can get on board and find that interesting.
And then that had happened.
And then years later.
They finally get around to making these movies and implement those trends.
And you're like, I fucking hate this because now I've I've already seen this.
So already it's like not new or like wildly interesting.
And then also to the bigger problem in my mind is how much a devalues things like that
had previously happened instead of like working in service of creating value in a way that
is more unique and interesting.
You're just like piling on or like.
Taking what you have and changing it.
And that's not fun and cool and interesting.
Like I don't need like the idea that Blofeld is behind a silver shit is stupid and it's
unnecessary.
And just like in this movie is like.
What if what is more interesting to me is like what if Snoke was like how Sith are.
There's only two set.
There's a master and an apprentice and they're always in flux because as a Sith you the apprentice
is going to kill the master and then so there's a point that happens where the master has
to start defending itself because they're going to be overtaken and there's this whole
like duality because the Sith is all about power and that power struggle is going to
be infinitesimal like infinite right.
So it's always going to be power exists.
New power comes in.
That power is going to try to control that younger power and then the younger power is
going to be like fuck the older power.
I'm going to kill you and overtake you and then the cycle continues.
But like.
Why make it a puppet situation?
Why not?
You know like we're not even like you don't even need to fuck with it.
In my mind is like Snoke was meeting the apprentice and Palpatine was the master and what ended
up happening is that the apprentice got killed by a stronger Jedi and then where we're at
now but like the need to have it all be this orchestrating of your own like of your pain
shit is so fucking dumb.
Yeah and it's a combination of that and also I feel like they are trying to satisfy the
beats of Return of the Jedi almost where it is that where Kylo is to Darth Vader as Palpatine
is to the Palpatine back then because they don't have any new fucking things.
They just got to just do Palpatine again.
Oh yeah you got to just keep doing that.
And then put him on the throne and then have this power struggle and then Kylo make the
turn and then have him die and not have to atone for everything he's done and it's just
so clean and ends up being lazy as well but to this trilogy in general I just more and
more and especially this last time I watch it it just frustrates me to have it be so
revolved around I mean if we said this right off the bat but skywalkers and Palpatines
and have that always what it comes down to when you actually do have the beginnings of
very interesting characters and Finn who is something new like his character is a new
idea of like a stormtrooper taking his helmet off and becoming a part of the resistance
so it's just so good of an idea.
Really cool thing and even you know I know Poe is essentially a Han Solo yeah so there
are the analogs but Rey being a hero.
He's not though.
He's not.
Fundamentally he's also not though because he is trying to work like Poe having a conversation
with Holdo in the last Jedi where there's that power struggle that he's there.
He actually care yeah he doesn't just care about himself and the money he like already
is like into the like in it and the resistance.
He is into it yeah he's totally into it and then there's so much of that in this movie
too where he is like the leader of the resistance and there's so much attention paid to him
like in the cockpit when they're fighting all of the the Star Destroyers of like man
so much Otis and so much pressure and so much importance is placed on the fact that I am
leading this team into battle and our downfall is really a representation of my inadequacies
like that's not something really Han Solo ever had to fuck with.
Like Han Solo was just way more of like very simply put is like just trying to care more
about the world that he's a part of.
Like that's all that he needed to get to but Poe is cared about that world.
But he but interestingly for him is that he is cared about what that means in a different
way than maybe the establishment or maybe whatever.
But yeah he's been there from the beginning getting the yeah from the very first scene
of the Force Awakens yeah.
Yeah just being like on board with what the resistance is about and not ending up being
like a spice runner that his arc is going from.
I like none of this matters you know what really matters is whether I'm getting paid
what I'm doing is interesting to me yada yada.
It's like he's always cared a fair amount about what the overall objective for the resistance
has been which is yeah a new take on that which is a more modern take which is an interesting
take but yeah.
And then yeah I just what's yeah is it Rose is that her Rose.
Well yeah.
I mean she's another good sideline sidelined yeah and I thought she was interesting as
as well about being you know these these displaced people that are displaced by whatever first
order final order fuck you order whatever it is Empire.
Fucks you back fuck you or you know and that whole and that's been a part of the Mandalorian
and and even parts of Andor and these shows and I think those have just been so much more
successful about telling those those stories about about those people as opposed to the
people in power or the skywalkers and Palpatines and similar message I shared with on last
episode as well but they could have definitely followed through with that a little bit better
for me in terms of the that but there's just so there's so many through so fucking much
into this movie and it's it's been hard to track I feel like we've been going through
a fair amount I mean there is yeah yeah we can start getting wings are getting to like
I feel like I'm probably going to just go through some of my notes and see if there's
anything like yeah we'll just do that there's a light speed skipping that seemed like crazy
but he's just such a good pilot I like how good good of a pilot he is but so it seems
like nuts how do you light speed skip like that without crashing somehow a line that
I can't yeah I can't remember Carrie Russell's character her name is but I love this line
that she gives where she meets Ray for the first time and then she says this not that
you care but I think you're okay and I was gonna say that in some capacity to you yeah
James it's not that you care but I think you're pretty I think you're okay I need your help
we need your help it's such a weird line I just can't get over it I also thought it was
interesting that the indoor system is where they go the indoor system I mean kind of yeah
I don't know kind of like that too I love I love some of the scenery I put I made a
lot of notes that there was like scenery stuff like set piece stuff wreckage of a death star
that like a lightsaber lightsaber battle on the wreckage of a Death Star like you'd see
JJ come in the room and he tells you that like fuck yeah JJ yeah yeah or like fighting
on top of the Death Star with like these horse creatures or whatever cool like yeah I was
way more into it this time than I'm the last time for some sort of reason I'm like this
is lame I understood more that it was like closer that for some reason like I thought
they were in space or something I'm like how are they doing that it's no yeah they're like
but they're like about to take off or like hovering over exegol or whatever and they
were doing all that shit on top of this shit yeah that that worked for me a bit better
this time I almost thought one of the characters in the bar was detective crash more and then
I looked up detective crash more from my and then actor from I think you should leave do
you know his name is no what is it Biff whiff on IMDB that's his name this what the fuck
dude look up Biff whiff and it made me so happy I was like whoa he's not in Rise of
Skywalker like uncredited or something but that that bar with all the cool like practical
effects aliens and robots or whatever he said he's in the new season too oh that was something
I went in here just throwing my hands around throwing my head around just thought I'd wreck
the place it's on the news yeah something about this weekend that I really loved it's
like watching I think you should leave with people yes really one of those things that
I just find so much fucking like pure joy in yes because I just remember Cedric introducing
it to him in his face the entire time I kept looking over and he's just like what the fuck
is going on what is wrong with this guy what is wrong with you people like you almost like
there's just a question of like am I okay do I know nuts people like not so people because
this is the craziest shit I've ever seen that makes zero sense and it just makes me so fucking
happy to just like laugh with people where I was yelling so much yeah Biff whiff Bobby
Frick was a was pretty good FaceTime lightsaber battle raised evil lightsaber was fucking
cool it like spun around and then it was like a double prong thing that you could and then
it like spun back around to a Darth Maul sort of said it was like a Darth Maul situation
yeah but then a double blade as well that was sweet more stuff like that and then she
gets the yellow saber at the end to double right battle yeah I got that and then Erisons
back that there was that moment that was a good moment those two are good actors you
know what's weird is that it was supposed to be Leia there but all of the Leia stuff
too I will say that I because that was one of my close to my first notes because she
comes into this obviously like kind of early in the movie because she's you know like boots
on the ground person and very unsettling it's like always unsettling because she's never
really talking to somebody she's more just talking into a void and then people are reacting
to it and it's just it's so unsettling and I really don't care for it and I made the
point last pod about this of like I don't for the life of me understand why they let
her they killed her and then brought her back yeah like if anything why not just have killed
her and had to deal with the fallout of that and then that would have been better for the
story because she did die like why not like it just continues to baffle me that you know
when it went and killed her but then brought her back to life like why don't do that you
know yeah it was make the smarter decision to just go like we're gonna let sleeping dogs
lie and let Carrie Fisher and where she did end in her real life and then as generals
at the end and then they have to figure out which they do have that moment where they're
like major general and they have the I like see yeah I'm telling you those two together
is pretty fun and like the small moments they have I mean it's they were they've been together
throughout the trilogy but I have their their chemistry and this one is figured out and
like then being like leaders co-leaders was kind of like an interesting idea of yeah but
um I know they were probably just trying to like make make fun of and and it was probably
purposeful but when he like when she throws the lightsaber and then Luke catches it and
it's like Jedi weapons deserves more respect I know I wrote Luke is sassy AF and he just
can't stop himself from being a sassy motherfucker but he threw it in the last and the end of
force awake right of course so I guess that's just nonetheless he's just like gives her
shit even in death he can't help himself it was just so weird he's gone full Yoda being
yeah Luke being as sassy as he is because and then also too there's that whole flashback
of Leia and young Luke so he got that like yeah I was just gonna bring that up aging
stuff uh-huh and then I thought that was weird interesting how it was saying I liked it but
I don't know it looks I'm not I'm not thrilled about the inner like introducing the concept
of Leia being a Jedi weirdly I don't know I'm sorry like it's it's a weird concept to
me to introduce such late game because obviously that wasn't part of any of the original trilogy
I could understand her having force sensitivity for sure but I don't understand why she needs
to necessarily be a lightsaber wielding Jedi like I don't know come at me people but like
I that's just I don't know it's it's fine I always just envisioned her as being such
a wonderful leader and general and having some force sensitivity where she could kind
of be like oh I can sense that certain things are happening so I'm going to use my general
status to like get our forces there and help the situation but I just don't I don't know
it's weird to me that she is a like a lightsaber wielding Jedi it didn't yeah it doesn't do
much because it only has that one scene of her using one and it's like and that I was
just gonna bring this up too because it's like well first of all the I think the de-aging
worked somewhat tastefully because it was like dark lining and then they had helmets
and so that kind of like put a framing device boxes it in yeah it's just like really we
just have to d-d-age just this little area yeah right the uncanny valley is a little
easy to deal with but but back to that her becoming a Jedi yeah it was just such a weird
like oh by the way she totally nailed her Jedi performance and passed the test but then
it says if she couldn't go on to be a Jedi because she had this prophecy about her son
dying it it is such a throwaway fucking line I had to rewind and be like wait what did
they just say so she didn't become a Jedi because she had this and it just didn't say
how just that she got this prophecy of Kylo her son dying what happens at the end of this
movie he dies he dies yeah okay so he dies when in this prophecy that they're talking
about and why introduce it now and why talk about I get what you're saying man it's like
it's just to what end and what and we don't see her fuck with this lightsaber doing any
other Jedi stuff besides force powers which is fine because last Jedi establishes that
the force is a lot more like ever ever present and I made the point is I care for is kind
of feeling Finn is here in it at times oh you didn't like that or just some last movie
last movie well in the last movie because that was the first time ever that Leia is
like so force not just for sensitive but like has Jedi powers and again it was just so fucking
weird to me that we know that Carrie Fisher passed away there's a scene which she dies
then she uses force powers that we that I at least had never understood her to ever
have to sip her back into the ship and it just seemed insane to me I had a hard time
so the point where was almost like comical where I was like where the fuck did this come
from and how was she able to do this and why are we introducing this now to never really
ever talk about it and it just drives a lot of that stuff yeah it's just like oh yeah
and this cool thing and this cool thing anyways let's go get that my guffin yep and that was
planet we have privacy thing never been readier was just like never never been more ready
never been ready I never been ready for bones that sign the fact that death stars in this
movie and the deaths yeah no deaths just a star destroyers I'm sorry star destroyers
in this movie have death star abilities yeah I was like fuck those are those real nasty
exegol ships that they have like 300 of and so yeah just so how long have they just been
on exegol just building that shit under the ground all those guys I'm sorry but you can't
like you and they're talking about like how like the works before this when you do this
shit it's like have this whole backup army that they could have used at any time they're
like no just been saving it for no no we've just been saving it even though we talked
so much in last year this they also have this new technology you never knew that they had
guess what it's like more stronger than everything ever before and it's just like do you fuck
off yeah straight up force pulling laser blast cool I remember that I don't know just like
do that in force awakens right off the bat but there was a battle where she's raised
kind of doing that a lot of a lot of laser redirecting and I really like that as a force
power just like like forcing in a different different direction what is that what is that
part where is it look at this look at this I feel like I forget what scene is just like
look at this look at this and you just keep saying that so long sky trash that's what
Kerry Russell my actual my actual note was of course every star destroyer has a planet
killing laser comma puke yeah that's a lot of my ending with just like the way fuck you
movie oh god so many hooded people I would like to imagine them all as Snokes Lando did
it Palpatine gets vaporized pretty sweet that was pretty sweet yeah that was a cool effect
and then just some blasts he's like I love it his voice is amazing him coming back like
all that's I don't know I love that actor and him his voice is really cool but just
don't need Palpatine I don't know can you set me up for a joke real quick yeah can you
be that old woman that comes up to Ray oh yeah and I'll be right so you can paraphrase
whatever whatever she's yeah she's like it hasn't been anyone here for a while who are
you yeah I got you something like that and then do the like grey who yeah hey what are
you doing here there hasn't been anybody here in ages this used to be the Skywalker residents
who are you right but what's your last name Romano yeah whatever that's my that's my dad
joke for today I was like cracking myself up and having fucked it that was the most
fun I had the whole movie was making that joke to myself and I was laughing it's like
hey Cara did you hear my Ray Romano joke it's the same shit with the piglet at Piglet Coachella
where it's like why would a random person ever pressure somebody into getting their
full last name like that is so on solo thing it's so call you solo like ham-fisted for
anybody to that is a complete stranger to be like oh but what's your last name and make
such a point of like oh but tell me your last name we as pig people need to know last names
you need to know last names I like to know your last name because I am a pig person and
that's how we do things around here this story was by four people and it was originally going
to be directed by like Colin Trevorrow right and then they like change that second yeah
great idea just have JJ Abrams to a Ryan Johnson to a Colin Trevorrow who needs the same director
for each movie why would you do that Colin Trevorrow's done what else he's done Jurassic
World I think that's right yep which are what they are let's moving away from this movie
oh yeah yeah let's do reviews I will before we get into reviews on a scale of I have a
question for you on a scale of out of a hundred like Rotten Tomatoes score what do you think
critics are going to give the new Indiana Jones movie oh I cheated and looked at the
running score right now which only has like so it has a running score because I was trying
to see if we were looking for a movie next time and oh damn our eyes on the score but
I can ask you that question because I think I remember what it was okay and I don't think
it's like complete yet I think there's like 60 reviews or something yeah because it was
shown it can right yeah yeah I'm gonna say it's gonna get a 65 close 56 just reverse
that and you're there even worse oh yeah it's emotional and has those beats that like oh
it's good to see off again maybe man gold does some interesting I don't know yeah what
do you think the dial of destiny is about we just like rap about this before you know
it happens what do you think the dial of destiny I think it's going to be some type of time
travel yeah it's some gonna be some time reset thing or something right so it's gonna be
some send-off to him do you think the power is going to be you can travel yourself back
in time or you can what would be the what would be the other thing I could think of
yeah I don't know I was wondering if there's a way that it like reverses versus all of
time or like artifacts in some way to their original state or something like that so they
can get I'm trying to think how it comes into like it I guess it is an artifact itself but
I'm wondering if anything how specific it's going to be is it going to be something that
like it reverses time altogether or is it something that like a person can control and
then themselves are able to travel in time mm-hmm yeah maybe and it's and it's like
nazism is bad like the guy the bad guy is like a nazi again or something right yeah
sure trying to bring bring that whole thing is going to be set in like late 60s I think
late 60s so gonna be like hippie shit is gonna be in this right do you match up the Beatles
are in this movie Andy runs into the big show we got a really big show we got a we got an
archaeologist here hey I would like to see what's my destiny can I try a new song if
you ask my name is really I like to like make songs with an iteration it sounds fun I just
when are we gonna hit the apex so this is a question this is a good example or a good
question for this in general it's like are we gonna hit a point where we cut this shit
out and go like we're not going to just keep like these ips alive because they're not they
are doing well box office I think which is new ones being made as a thing like I don't
know like is there an apex I guess I'm just so like curious from a philosophical question
right of like when do we just reach that point of like people are sick and fucking tired
of these rehashings because every outing that these rehashings like have they're not well
received we go to see it because people are like sheeple and they're like I like this
and I'm gonna go see it but I don't that's got that juice it's got to run out I think
I mean maybe this is a bummer for it for me to say but I honestly think that's how it's
always been and how it's always going to be in some way like yeah but it's like but it's
very difficult I'm sure for you to pitch something new where it's completely new and you're like
this is like nothing you've seen before it's much easier to be like hey I got a new idea
for a movie it's a mix between fast and furious yeah there's like a team of architects that
drive cars and go around the world and it's not it's not just Indiana Jones it's a team
this time and they're all architects and they that's like their thing it's like Monuments
Men a little bit too and it takes place in like a period piece and then we see this being
like a multiple picture deal so yeah we're what do you guys think Monuments Men is such
a great movie to watch on a hotel TV yeah that's a good background hotel movie for sure
totally bitching background I think I had Dark Knight Rises recently and I was just
like yeah that was this is nice but yeah or gladiator gladiator was gladiator oh you love
it yeah I love a gladiator oh there's gonna be a second one of that too but you know what
speaking of loving things and hating things let's get into these reviews okay I believe
you um jumping the line rockin body in time okay oh speaking of which aren't they making
I heard they're making a beetle juice too I saw some I feel like we talked about on the
podcast shots of um we talked about it already but yes yeah what's her face um Winona yeah
Nona and Nona I only just met her hey I'm like I'll be on it I'm still I'm my Ray Romano
one I'm very proud of but I can tell it's it's uh it's very cheesy but it's very funny
to borrow Mike Amford it's very very funny um Star Wars Rise of Skywalker is sitting
at a 52% uh from critics it has an 86 from 6% from audience the audience side let's check
out some negative critic reviews see what's going on here uh from Vox let's try Vox with
a 30 Alissa Wilkinson the rise of Skywalker falls somewhere between an overstuffed fan
service finale and a yawn fest the force awakens kicked off a new cycle in the franchise
and the last Jedi set it up to push beyond its familiar patterns the rise of Skywalker
for the most part runs screaming in the other direction this uh one is from movie nation
by a certain critic called Roger Moore so I'm just gonna go for it it's from Roger Moore
it's a 38 all right three films in and Ridley has mastered the fear scowl and stick the
landing poses of a superhero movie she has not in any sense created a character who moves
us with her expressions of fear or grief every time somebody she cares about dies it's dry
tears all around wow really not a big fan of of Rey I guess um let's go to Vanity Fair
with a 40 Richard Lawson it's a turgid turgid rush right is a turgid don't see that word
often it's a turgid rush but toward a conclusion I don't think anyone wanted not the people
upset about whatever they're upset about with the last Jedi if you look at has something
to do with Luke being depressed and with women having real agency in the story nor any of
the more chill franchise devotees who just want to see something engaging really calling
out the people didn't like last Jedi in the middle there from them that's tied into this
movie from time Stephanie Zachary I don't think I don't know sort of imagine anybody
being happy with this movie even like it was just set up for a hard time for anyone to
stick this landing from time 40s Stephanie Zachary this overloaded finale directed by
JJ Abrams is for everybody and nobody a movie that's sometimes reasonably entertaining but
that mostly feels reverse engineered to ensure that the feathers of the Star Wars purists
remain unruffled in its anxiety not to offend it comes off more like fanfic than the creation
of actual professional filmmakers a bot would be able to pull off a more surprising movie
wow chat gpg get at it ahead of her time Stephanie already saying a bot should be writing episode
10 maybe do like one two more from entertainment weekly Darren Franek we need a new franchise
designation for the stumbling bloodless con con conglomeration of what once was rise of
the Skywalker isn't an ending a sequel a reboot or a remix it's a zombie in your head
in your head I'll do one more from David Sims he gave it a 50 Oh David you don't from the
Atlantic the rise of Skywalker is a fitting epitaph for the thrills and limits of repetition
may it be the last episode of a saga that should have ended long ago wow yeah that's
surprising because you love fucking last Jedi oh long ago so before last Jedi I would assume
this no you loved it forget the past destroy it if you have to whatever whatever you say
okay so audience reviews positive let's check them out 10 out of 10 from mate usage mate
usage I'll just say that this movie really surprised me I didn't like force awakens
the last Jedi and Han Solo so I wasn't expecting so much from this last one but the rise of
Skywalker is a very good movie much better than I was expecting the action scenes are
great the lightsaber fights are awesome and the characters are way more likeable in this
movie than the previous ones yep and I interject with a really quick hot moment yeah I did
a poll amongst my friends on slack nice yeah I'm gonna ask you this before I tell you the
results okay James who do you think is the most woke person out of these two who do you
think's the most woke question okay all right I'm most woke Jesus Satan I had to know today
I had to know it was the thought that came into my head I don't know anything is the
most woke Jesus or seat I guess I'll go with Jesus I don't know man what am I walking into
here you'd be wrong poor amongst my friends is Satan's the most woke yeah that means that's
more fun that's more fun answer definitely it's definitely more fun answer I would have
had more fun saying that but I didn't then I just I even talked to people at work about
this because I came up with a whole she's kick ass he's bad ish I was like ask chat
GPT can you write me a Facebook post explaining why Jesus is woke but yeah anyways I was on
I was really expecting something to do with Star Wars it surprised me it was like Kylo
or Ray and that's great that's great man so these there's some long ones on some long
reviews as well from from fans but I'll peruse this one from Dylan McAllister gave it five
stars as a definite spirit-filled youngster in his early and almost mid-20s the new light
or rise of Skywalker as the corporate title name ought to be an experience for not just
one but three generations and out of this world and above beyond quality strong and
journey spiritually which is most important cultural culturally diversity worldly and
financially and even physically the ripple effects of one of the greatest stories present
past or future tense are to be sensed and cherished this might be a chat GPT thing having
actually not basked in the actual epic as it should be the longest of all nine respectively
my personal opinion along with many who are sending in their hearts cry is biased and
in further need of development honoring the original vision and creative genius of mr.
George Lucas jr. regardless of how as a living legend legend in his mid-70s expanding Skywalker
ranch and being a family man still inspiring a generation of including yours truly the
meaningfulness of what what this is and was always truly supposed to be all about is quite
like the twin sons of Tatooine or that stands still to this day as one if one of if not
of his favorite scene from the entire saga okay I can't do anymore but that's that is
has 136 people found that review helpful so I thought I should read it and that goes to
show if you're gonna review reviews like these other people that's the type of thing you're
looking for all right let's see this next one from Cameron Johnson five stars as a definite
spirit you know filled youngster and his early almost mid-20s the new light or rise of Skywalker
as a corporate wait a minute let's go to the next one there's just someone's got a copy
paste of this shit or like a copypasta funny the first the first two are that so I don't
know I don't know what that is it's it's pretty amazing and it always ends in like a parentheses
it's so weird okay I'll do like one more sorry to fuck with everybody from Dan castroy five
stars I was two and was going on three when a new hope came out yet watched in for the
first time on Showtime when I was eight years old and have been a fan of Star Wars since
then and I thoroughly enjoyed this film my opinion it was a major improvement over the
last Jedi and it was great seeing not only Billy Dee Williams and Ian McDermid back but
Dennis Lawson as well sure he had a one-second cameo but it was still welcome some people
seated near me were stunned yet in a good way when I told them he is even McGregor McGregor's
uncle because people are like don't talk to me like don't talk to me I don't know if they
were stunned about that they were so stunned don't bother so can't so can't wait to purchase
it this film is my third favorite of the Skywalker saga after the Empire Strikes Back and Revenge
of the Sith but of wow but of all the movies including Rogue One and Solo it's my fourth
favorite after Rogue One got it John Williams scored never disappoints either I did cry
when Leia died which makes sense because we're we the fans lost Carrie Fisher in 2016 and
seen Mark Hamill back as Luke ala Force Ghost made me happy because he finally gave us this
Luke Skywalker we wanted to see in the last Jedi plus Harrison Ford back as Han Solo playing
the memory of his son Ben Solo who is Kylo Ren and it's helps to start the path of Ben's
redemption which Ben's redemption is well done too Ben Dempion overall a great movie
those who didn't like it to each his own oh well great thank god it's not like hey if
you don't like this movie that's okay you're entitled to your opinion as well that pen
dimension arc a big Ben Dempion Ben Dempion guy yeah it's my favorite arc yeah these are
pretty long a lot of these it's like hard to really boil this down this one has a lot of emojis
but at the end it says I'll be watching this masterpiece along with every Star Wars film
I fell in love with for the rest of my days and I hope you will too and in all parentheses
grab your lightsaber climb back on board the Millennium Falcon hold on tight and most
importantly of all may the force be with you now and forever and then a bunch of happy face
emojis your butt yeah it also starts with om I like how that's felt that's great yeah and
there yeah there's some people out here that are pretty vociferous about their their love for it
but I haven't met these people it's interesting I haven't talked to a single person that liked this
movie I guess I don't I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan maybe you guys have gathered that
throughout this this recording but I'm not super invested in it and if it's a bad movie it's it's
a bad movie I don't really care if it fucked with something that I really cared about I'm
I'm so interested in your opinion Brandon because I think you share that too where it's like yeah
Star Wars you know like it's it is what it is but then and then yeah we're gonna go to show your
your opinion on the last one was interesting just in terms of filmmaking when other people are so
hyper focused on like the what Star Wars should be I think I like where we where we come from
in this discussion of these two movies it has been a wild ride even just within this one movie and
then the two together is just like what a fucking head head spin you get from from trying to jump
between these two why people found it polarized yeah honestly I'm surprised there's such a high
score from the audience I thought this would be a little bit more middling from both sides
to find that's the case and then to see these reviews liking it ranking it highly with their
other Star Wars movies and thinking it's a great send-off tells me that that fan service kind of
worked pretty well there's a good amount of it in this movie and even if it's in their mind subtle
at certain points other times it's very not very not subtle but it tells me those things worked
things moved at a pace that it kept them interested in a yeah I feel like in a roller
coaster sort of way but I don't know man anytime I stop and look around and think for a while it
just things weren't adding up and being concluded and then even to the the like we said the Twilight
Hour with Palpatine he's like saying okay so you got to kill me and then all the Sith become you
but if yes one if Kylo shows up and then you guys have this whole bond thing together then by the
way I can suck your powers into me and then you guys pass out you don't fully die but I suck your
powers they're into me I can do lightning they can fuck with the spaceship see you see you Kylo in a
little bit Rey can come back use one lightsaber do the classic lightsaber lightning thing but a
two lightsaber lightning thing that's what you really want because that's going to disintegrate
Palpatine yet again oh and then by the way Kylo and I do kind of like this part but still Kylo
comes back and you can revive her with her with all that is introduced so fucking quickly and all
the Sith ghosts and the wow what a thing um but should I just run into my review do you want to
start yeah yeah yeah you're doing it yeah go for it yeah this one was less preferable than last
Jedi I I would prefer that one and I still had my issues with that but I were overall thought that
one was a pretty fun Star Wars movie that I would rank pretty highly of within my Star Wars movie
ranking if I had to do one this one had a difficult runway set up for it to land and and do a good job
and it was befuddling as we talked about in our conversation of them introducing new things and
having a lot thrown in into the into the final moments of of this trilogy and it almost seemed
like a better idea to kind of have those final moments of like character characters having
dialogue a little more dialogue heavy and talking and and getting into what needs to be done in order
to to conquer things instead it was very much like MacGuffin go try to get it that didn't work out
so come up with new plan and sometimes when they were sitting there talking about their plans I'm
like I would be the guy in the back being like wait what do we do I have a question I didn't
fully follow that oh we're going okay we're going okay I don't know what my job is and they just go
and it didn't leave me like wanting to hang on to every narrative aspect but just enjoy the ride
and just enjoy the ride and and see what there is to see on these different planets and stuff and
that's not really what you want for a third one you want to be invested in the final moments of
these characters that have been built up for two movies and what their arc is going to be
is going to be ending on and all of those things yeah are most important at the end and it is real
failure of not only this movie but the entire trilogy as much as like yeah I mean like last
jedi is like its own thing and even force awakens is fine as well for what it is but in terms of the
the trilogy it is truly like mind-blowing that this thing worked out the way it did after Disney
acquires Star Wars and they just almost seem like they're just counting their eggs before they hatch
or something in terms of writing a cohesive story to this new property that they have and that is
upsetting that it's not handled better when that was such a big big fucking deal and they've done
other other things like tv shows and rogue one that ain't bad but this this large sort of saga
that they wanted to not only have its its own thing but conclude the skywalker thing and do
all this stuff it a lot of it rang hollow especially in this movie every moment they wanted me to feel
something in this movie I was just like snooze like I it did not hit and even the final thing
about her being a skywalker I don't know it just didn't didn't mean anything to me the title
doesn't mean anything to me and I don't know I don't I made this point to you before I feel like
in I like in a conversation where like I almost wanted her to say Palpatine yeah for her to like
own that name and repurpose it for like no that's gonna I'm gonna be such a good person that I'm
going to change what that means maybe but then I thought about it some more I'm like that'd be
funny if it's like if you did that scene again it's like ray who Hitler winstone
ray hitler
I'm gonna repurpose it I'm gonna make it again it's like I don't know that's like kind of like
I'm gonna make it good that's gonna be a tough one to
and I mean maybe maybe if there was a young hitler that saved save the world save the
university when everyone told that story but there was something that like didn't really hit for me
I know she saw their ghosts and they raised her in their own way but I like the idea of of owning
your name even even as weird as it as it may be and um yeah a lot of missed signals and when I
I should be feeling things I didn't and was annoyed when like oh Chewie here's your medal
oh Lando's got a daughter um doesn't mean anything to me and I'd rather have something more
new and interesting uh to to watch so this one will be it's gonna be a 38 like it was like 30 40
40 range I don't know maybe like 40 40 something if I was if I was being a little nicer but it uh
I don't want to like I don't know if I'll ever go back into this trilogy really to to get anything
out of I liked my reviewing of of last Jedi overall uh this one I could have just done without and
just not finished it because it just it doesn't have enough good stuff in it to um warrant a
warrant a good score or multiple rewatches because the lore it sets up is uh convoluted
reverse engineered and not meaningful to this everything it's set up in the past um and it
sucks when some of that stuff is cool like force healing and and shit when it just uh isn't used
in in it or like in an interesting way within the context of of the plot and I wish that was
that was better and it has been done better with shows and everything Star Wars stuff has been
better so I know there's better stuff out there so this doesn't deserve uh a good score because it's
has more money and it should and it has everything and it's disposable disposal and it's like
embarrassing yeah hey shame shame there's a whole trilogy I don't know that almost do I watch the
prequels or this one that's hard but uh yeah probably this one wow um I don't know so the
first time that I saw this movie I actually enjoyed it because coming off of last Jedi this movie was
so much more of a Star Wars movie to me when I first saw it but upon rewatching it again
it's just so incredibly frustrating how many um things it introduces and unsatisfyingly
concludes or introduces and never concludes and it is also just epitomizes the um frantic unstructured
unplanned nature of the whole series and so upon a rewatch it really really hit me how much this
movie is not a good movie in what it needs to be and what I mean by that is this is the conclusion
of a trilogy and it concludes it very poorly in my mind and so yeah I just it's it's just kind of a
funny exercise which is what this is always is to a degree which is why I love it so much about doing
this podcast with you it's like you know I went into last Jedi not having seen rise of Skywalker
in a while and having that kind of like in the back of my mind of like oh I think I like rise of
Skywalker more than I like last Jedi because um because it was more like a Star Wars movie that
wanted because that was I think kind of my prevailing consensus on the last Jedi is is that
that was that was trying to do more that was trying to add or be something different than a
Star Wars movie but within the context of a Star Wars movie and um but yeah again upon rewatching
this god this movie sucks there's a lot of things that are really shitty about it um that's just
what epitomizes it to me uh like everything that's going on in this is that by almost pure
happenstance Rey is at a place on the Endor system or whatever and pulls out the the fucking do dad
sword thing that just gets introduced immediately points to a location which would be which is
insane to think about that a in happenstance you would be able to use this cipher on a on a
location like that it's just so fucking stupid I can't get over it and so I actually end up liking
this movie less than last Jedi and would like to give some kind of condolences to last Jedi that I
didn't give it on the previous pod because at least with the last Jedi it kind of contains itself
in its own thing whether or not that's what I wanted out of a Star Wars movie that's kind of
the argument that I made but man this just movie presents a bunch of stuff that it doesn't give a
shit about necessarily like really satisfyingly concluding and this is the third in a trilogy and
that's fucked off to do that so um I'm at the point right now where yeah I would probably put
this at a 38 38 to 38 as well yeah oh yeah I would magnetize we would be magnetized on this is yeah
this is I was gonna do 40 I was like nah a little bit lower like 30 this movie drove me insane like
again like I said there were two times I had to pause the movie go out either have a cigarette or
go for a walk and just kind of think about what's going on and being like fuck this movie is not
good in just a multitude of ways um and yeah so I'm gonna I'm gonna be uh yeah magnetized with you
on this and say a 38 excellent yeah it's I kind of did the same thing took some breaks and was just
rolling my eyes and yelling at the screens sort of stuff and it's just not not what you should
want in a movie uh we'll see what JJ brings us next time if he comes comes by again on the podcast
um for for now I will thank you Brandini for a lovely conversation about a poopy move and uh
move on to announce our next feature that we will be discussing next time uh will be a new
uh movie it is part of a saga as well a 10 piece if you will it is fast 10 fast x 2023
it is the 10th movie in a series even more than star wars skywalker saga we went from a nine to
a 10 we know what we're doing here uh it's a 56 from critics an 84 from audience very similar
to rise of skywalker in terms of scores so we'll see how that tracks where we where we lie on uh
on this polarization um but make sure you watch one through nine before next time and then uh
finish off with 10 and you'll be ready to go if not then just throw it on and see what happens
should be a fun action movie I haven't seen it but uh we'll uh we'll check it out writer Justin Lin
writer Justin Lin he did malignant we like that one um I think that's gonna do it for us here
if you want to reach us anywhere we're streaming this live on twitch.tv slash polarized pod
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the pod at gmail.com uh brandini and I are about to record our next episode for our other podcast
prod pod that's prod pod the pod about prods that's music producers um music prods and we have
covered a few it's a relatively new podcast we've we've done some diplo some barry gordy of motown
some Todd Rundgren we are covering Max Martin the acclaimed Swedish deep deep into Martin territory
I actually was like thinking about it the other day like yesterday specifically about how I people
were telling me about new records and shit that have come out that I'm like I haven't gotten out
on new records because I've just been I love that deep in the Martin Martin verse. Fuck yeah and
that's that's affected how I've listened to music as well and uh and thought about music and I would
highly recommend you guys check us out because it's uh been really interesting yeah seeing that
perspective of tracking a producer down the line of their career and their influence on artists
culture fans the world at large I mean Max Martin has done it all uh look all he's just incredible
look him up big big deal uh and we can't wait to talk about him we've we've enjoyed our time here
so much uh Brandini anything else to to share with the people uh thank you for listening like
James said uh rating us reviewing us really oh yes always um yeah please do if you if you like it
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been great too I also want to say that this is actually oh god this is a good episode these
these ones have been in the in the makings for a while I feel like I've really since the beginning
of this podcast thought about doing like waiting for that last jedi episode as as with rise of
skywalker I was wasn't even fully aware of that one being polarizing because people were kind of
just done with it at that point I've you know or just kind of like yeah who knows what's going to
happen but last yet I was such a deal man that was that was such a big deal when that came out
people were having all sorts of opinions all over the place and it's cool to come come back after
the fact we're looking at the trilogy as a whole I feel like even you know we have our opinions and
everything but it's you feel like you can get a better feel for me as as a whole little bit
time removed seen better star wars things and uh I really enjoy our discussion and it was exactly
what this podcast is trying to do uh is is talk about those things and if yeah if you have any
guys have any other ideas for polarizing movies too we'd really appreciate it send it to polarize
the pod at gmail.com that'll do it for us now somehow we will return
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