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Welcome to the podcast.

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And let me just be the first one to say the dead speak.

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Welcome, everybody.

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The polarized pod.

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This is a podcast about polarizing movies,

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polarizing movies in the sense of Rotten Tomatoes scores.

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We talk here about movies.

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Surprise. You probably saw the title and was like,

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that's a movie.

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So they hopefully talk about movies.

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And we do.

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This is Polarized Pod.

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And today we're we're continuing the saga of this polarizing

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franchise now of the new Star Wars movies.

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We are today talking about Star Wars, The Rise of Skywalker,

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the conclusion of the Skywalker trilogy, a J.J. Abrams joint.

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This movie is a 52 percent on critic side,

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86 percent on the audience side.

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So, again, this is a podcast about polarizing movies

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in the sense of Rotten Tomatoes scores.

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Sometimes critics hate it and audiences love it.

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And that's the situation for this movie today.

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I'm excited to talk about this movie because this movie has a lot in it

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to talk about, arguably too much in it to talk about.

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But we'll do our best to get to it.

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I am not going to be doing this alone.

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I'm going to be doing this with a little help from a friend.

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And you know what?

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In the spirit of this movie, friends are important.

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And my friend to help me talk about this movie and my co-host

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and also known as the forever guest, Mr.

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James Lindsay, how the hell are you?

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I'm back, baby, the forever guest.

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I return every day to the dead.

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Speak and somehow I have returned somehow.

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Somehow I've done it.

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Who knows?

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Because you're you were born in a jar from Palpatine.

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You are from Abrams.

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I mean, Palpatine. Yes.

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Yeah, you are.

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They just drag me back to life.

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We've run out of ideas.

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We don't have any more.

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We have a team. Come back.

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Well, I would argue that they have lots of ideas,

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but they just have too many of them that they haven't thought about long enough.

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There are a lot of ideas. That's true.

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There are a lot of ideas in this in this movie.

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This movie is exploding.

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Maybe not ideas. Yeah, but like people concepts.

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Yeah, right. I don't know.

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Like just family.

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Philosophical argument.

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Like, yeah, we're starting here already.

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But the the two families in this galactic empire are them

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skywalkers and then Palpatine's those are the only two that they have.

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Exactly. For a galaxy far, far away that you would also would assume is big, big,

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big. There are just only two families that matter.

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Yes. Yes.

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It's it's amazing how how that works.

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And Palpatine Fox, we're getting right into it, everybody.

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Palpatine Fox Fox.

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Oh, I could. Well, we might end up talking in Ignatian about Palpatine fucking

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because that we're starting as a concept that I that I can't even get over.

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But before we actually get into it, I want to roll us back a little bit.

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Just, you know, a tad and just kind of, you know, check in with you.

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I want to tell you a little a little update on my end

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and have a little bit of a little bit of a dialogue about it.

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Oh, but OK.

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Well, I mean, well, how are you?

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Are you OK? I'm doing well.

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I'm doing are we doing I'm doing good.

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Yeah. I besides watching watching this movie today,

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but I'm going to be getting married soon.

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I'm going to have be having my bachelor party.

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So you will be there.

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I think I am very excited, but and very like nervous, excited.

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And all the all the good all the emotions.

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I feel like all the emotions, all the emotions every day almost.

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But mostly just excited and can't can't wait for for all the fun

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that we're going to have.

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And with my soon to be lovely wife, Kara, who has been on this podcast before.

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Excellent, excellent, excellent podcast.

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You guys started a euphoria podcast for a minute.

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I know now we would have to start in the idol pod.

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Ah, we were to do it, which I've seen.

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What's that guy's name? Just do it.

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What's in order? Sam Levinson. Yeah.

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Just do a total creepo.

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Total creepo. Oh, is he? Total?

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Yeah. Total skeevy creepo man.

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Which is unsurprising because even you could interpret euphoria

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as being very connected to the Gen Z's.

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I guys to being very

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a voice that is representative of a generation

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that may come off as being perplexing if you are an older person or scary.

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Even there's a lot of stuff in euphoria where you're like, good Lord,

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is that what the kids are up to?

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But. Yeah, he's a fucking weirdo,

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and he made another show that is also incredibly weird

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and highlights creepy, weirdo people and kind of makes them like,

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I don't know, kind of puts them on a pedestal, if you will.

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And it's weird and crazy.

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And I'm probably going to watch every single episode.

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Yeah, I'm good. I'm I got to watch it to at least check it out.

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Car was saying something about maybe it's weird for me to speak on a recorded

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podcast like out of turn when I don't fully know the facts.

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But didn't we can kind of like made him reshoot a bunch right for that?

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So what I've read is that

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this show was written in a particular like from a particular point of view.

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And then Sam Levinson wanted to have the weekend be a part of it.

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And then the weekend being the weekend came in and went.

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I'm actually looking to do a show that is that is mainly about me

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if I'm going to do it.

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So if you don't rewrite this to make me the main character,

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then I'm not going to do it.

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And Sam Levinson being the creepy weirdo that he is was like, oh, you want to,

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you know, be this weird, creepy cult guy that it's going to just manipulate people.

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That sounds right up my alley.

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Let's do it.

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And that is what the show's mainly about is is about that.

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And so damn, I'll check it out.

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Check it out.

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And I will be tuning in every week because it is Cuckoo Bananas.

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I can't believe people let this man do what he did.

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But you know what? Here's that little curio.

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Speaking of letting someone do what they do.

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I know we are.

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That city.

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I know. I love it.

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No, before.

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No, that transit.

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I'm not going to fully transition because I want to first ask you, Brandini.

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How are you?

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I'm doing well.

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Thank you for asking.

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Are you excited for for festivities, bachelor party and wedding festivities?

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I am so excited because I like, you know, we had talked about this

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is that it is just a wonderful time to get to just chill

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and hang out with us as grown adults, which we just did as well.

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We just did as well for my birthday.

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And it is.

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Yeah. Happy birthday, Brandini on the podcast on the pod.

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Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that.

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It's just really fun to just hang out with other grown adults

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and just chill and do that whole thing.

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So fun. So chill.

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it's nice to go to a pretty hearty party weekend

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out with friends and no one really gets so.

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I mean, there was an individual who's been on this bond.

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You got to get pretty fucked up.

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But outside of that, everybody else was pretty.

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I don't know, handles themselves like adults.

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there were definitely some dicey moments where he was letting himself rip

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and everybody was like, all right, all right, man.

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He comes from an amazing place, like a good heart, I guess, is what I would say.

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So, yeah, I just regardless of the optics of of anything,

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fuck the optics, you know, I understand where he comes from.

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And even though it may not fit into conventions,

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it doesn't matter at the end of the day because it's not like it's coming

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from a place, a bad place or a place in one.

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Exactly. And everyone enjoys each other.

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Everyone enjoyed each other's company that that whole whole weekend.

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And that was something that was really special

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to have that kind of chemistry immediately with.

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Yes. Some people and friends of yours that I haven't met

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and I consider them my friends now.

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And that's just the coolest thing, because I had so much fun that I mentioned

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to you that we just got to do this and making an annual

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brandy birthday lilies will be and doesn't have to be on your birthday.

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Just like summertime at a lake.

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Somewhere where it's hot and there's a lot of time to be on the water, man.

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Yeah, it was so great to be on the water because once it was hot out there

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and have a soup, but once you get on the water, it is a lot more manageable.

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A lot cooler out there.

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Because, yeah, you just get a lake in Arizona for anyone who's wondering.

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That's a yeah, not too far from Las Vegas.

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No, not at all.

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I want to say it's like an hour and a half, two hours south of Las Vegas.

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Yeah, yeah, but no, that was great.

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Cold, cold water, hot weather.

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And it's cold and that's also the name of our nangle.

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Yeah. And a nice cool bed.

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Oh, man, I had so many, especially on fucking what was it on Sunday?

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So many apparel.

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Oh, yeah, that was the drink of the weekend.

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Yeah. Breezy brandy.

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We went through two bottles of apparel within a matter of two hours, three hours.

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Bottle bottle of apparel is the piece that we

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as we as a group set and the charcuterie.

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That's when you get more adults.

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We had a charcuterie and apparel spritz.

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Oh, my God. I can't get over that.

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Bree pepper jelly combo.

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I love it. I'm a big Bree guy.

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Oh, yeah. And I got everyone tuned into some pickled asparagus.

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I'm very proud of that because it was a hit, man.

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Everybody was loving that pickled asparagus.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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And we also had a pregnant woman with us, you know, wasn't parting, but

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obviously partook in the charcuterie board.

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That's something she's definitely got.

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which is kind of a stereotypical pregnancy thing.

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I don't know if that's always universal, but I don't know.

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I guess I'm pregnant.

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I know. Yeah.

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Knock me up because I want all the all the pickled stuff.

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That was the other time we hung out was like, I took a walk to go get a Mexican

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food while everyone was watching the finale.

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Of succession. And I was hanging out, waiting for my burrito.

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This is such a great story.

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This is such a Southern California story.

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So I was walking around to go get my burrito and I was sitting there.

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I just made it, put, grabbed a little soda cup lid, put a shit ton of those

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pickled carrots, Mexican picks of carrots and just a little apple.

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I'm waiting for my burrito.

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Oh, it's the best.

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Oh, my dad would get that little bag and like slide me over to the side.

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We're driving back the burritos.

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Just like for memory.

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It's like, oh, I like and then he'd give me pickled asparagus and olives and

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pickled green beans.

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The pearl onions.

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Yummy, yummy, yummy, yummy.

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This is the yeah, this is the portion of the podcast where we talk about

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delicious, delicious grub and good times, which we've been having some good times

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looking forward again to another big, big special day for myself and Kara.

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And so glad you're going to be a big part of it.

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And you've been a big part of my life thus far and can't wait for the our future

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of a friendship podcast.

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Is there any other business?

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Yes, there is.

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There is.

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I buried the lead.

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I watched Way of Water actually.

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Wow.

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That movie.

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So I wanted to bring that up and talk about it with you briefly.

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Do you want to share your feelings?

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Let's start with my feelings.

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It's fine.

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It's just OK.

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It's a movie that I watched once and I'm like, I'm good.

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OK, great.

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I saw it.

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It's not it's not bad.

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You know, it's not.

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Yeah, it's not bad.

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But man, I just don't really have like I came out of it going like, OK, I got my

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fill of it and I don't need to watch that for a long time.

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I don't need to rush back and be like, you know, oh, you haven't seen Way of Water.

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Let's watch this right now.

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No, it's not even going to be something that I'm like, you know, kind of coaxing

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somebody to watch so that I can watch it again.

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It's like it's was it was it worth it?

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Was it worth it?

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It's not real.

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I want to say not really, because like.

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None of it is surprising.

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No, none of it is.

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It it's.

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It's sensibly the same first.

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Like plot wise, right?

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I mean, the funny thing is that it is even has the same villain as the first movie

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because he got reincarnated or whatever the shit happened.

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And so it's just like kind of the same shit again.

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Whereas like, yeah, OK, yeah, we got Mr.

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Military Guy being the military complex being the problem.

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You have the indigenous people being the heroes.

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Love that narrative for us.

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But yeah, it's so much it was a little bit of a step forward, but as much of a step

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forward as it was like an expansion of the world and the world and a set up and a new

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foundation for for the rest of it, I guess.

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And yeah, I'm trying to think like so the it was it was too long was like the the action.

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Something that was interesting enough was the look.

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The action is interesting.

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It looks like off putting it all for you.

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Do you think the effects hold up and the money is there on the screen?

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It's just more like the narrative.

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Sure. It's just kind of like uninteresting to use.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't really have a lot of besties.

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So we got to know blockbusters.

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I know. Right.

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I mean, it doesn't really have that interesting of a point of view.

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So all of the relationship plot wise, especially the stuff with the teenage Sigourney Weaver,

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I was like, oh, yeah.

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OK. OK. All right.

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All right. Well, I mean, OK.

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And then it's just yeah, it was just so almost comical to me how there are so many beats

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that are so similar. But in a different setting, you know, instead of the forest where we're near the ocean.

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I got loves water. Did you like any of the big spoilers for way?

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Why? It's anything big. But do you like the big fish?

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What is that big fish? Do you like any of that?

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I mean, that's what I thought that was. Yeah.

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I like a lot of that action.

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I don't know. And those messages for sure are very like it's almost like melodramatic.

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A lot of the beats and very on the nose, you know, these and how he refixes certain roles is interesting.

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It almost reminds me of T2 from T1 to T2.

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Which I just watched.

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Hell yeah. I mean, that's yeah.

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Refixing like Arnold into from villain to hero, I thought was a cool move, but essentially is a very similar story.

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It just has like the Terminator and the kid kind of bonding in that way.

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And it kind of expands, which is awesome. That stuff rips.

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It's like more advanced Terminator that's coming up with them.

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And yeah, just like all of that looks like a lot of similarities to be Snoopy now.

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And then he does aliens as well, which is kind of just an expansion of the alien.

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Like I feel like that's kind of something he is equipped to do is the those kind of sequel.

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So it is interesting. Yes.

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Seeing this world building some of the sequel for sure. And that's what I was thinking going into it.

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And him knowing that there are so many on the way and not having to arrive at a for sure ending resolution for everything is something that I think everyone knew going in.

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But also, I feel like that affects sometimes my enjoyment enjoyment as well of like, oh, I feel like I'm just being led on a string here a little bit.

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But absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like necessarily run back to watch it, but it is kind of like a feel a feeling I get out of it rather than like a heady sort of like, wow, that really makes you think it's more kind of like, oh, I'm going to if I want to feel like this, then I might.

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Yeah, watch this. I want to have fun at the movies. Yeah, totally cinematic. Yeah.

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I mean, definitely there's something to be said about just a very, very competent act like big blockbuster action filmmaker, where it's like, yeah, movies can be they don't have to be crazy interesting or have like a, you know, some more honed in specific point of view that has some depth to it.

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It can just be something that is fun, big roller coaster and amusement park.

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To borrow from Scorsese.

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First from Scorsese.

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Marvel. Yeah.

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I don't know. Like, it's just so funny because like I just watched. Yeah, I just watched Terminator two. And yeah, there are some really awesome action movie stuff in there. But what I will say is, is that with high definition, all of it starts to look really poopy.

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Especially what was so egregious to me that I couldn't help but laugh at now is that sequence where they're getting chased by a helicopter in the aqueduct in L.A. Right.

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Clearly not like a rig or. Oh, right. The act.

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Clearly, you can now clearly see it because of the definition of television and film and whatnot.

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I can recall that. I think even at the time, I've been watching that on VHS. I feel like even beat around people like kind of chuckling like, yeah, that's that's not. Yeah.

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That's not him. So, God, that actually sounds so good, though, too. That was a good one. But then you're a big T1 guy. You're a big Terminator. And I'm also a big alien guy.

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Yes, alien or aliens. I'm an alien guy, not alien. I am an alien. I always actually. So I will just say my biases going into the way of water is like, I am not a Cameron fan in the sense of the film franchises that he has.

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And for, you know, to his credit, made more digestible and popularized T1 and alien are way better movies in my opinion, because they in my mind objectively accomplish the what the what the concept is, you know, like.

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In my mind, Aliens is a horror movie and alien is better at that than aliens. Yeah, it's just like an action movie. Yeah, exactly. It's very much an action movie and Terminator Terminator is almost like a thriller.

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I was exactly which is very much of what it should be is like this, because the concept is still the same in Terminator two or the plot, at least of like you or somebody getting hunted. Right. Because the basis of it is that a person needs to get killed in order to change the change the future.

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And it is so much more thrilling in my mind.

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For Terminator.

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And Terminator two.

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I have a hard time going back and forth that one and not. I'm like, pretty much almost on board with you have a hard time it's been a while since I watched T2 but I watched the Terminator recently and it reminded me how much I watched like growing up and like I'm like, Wow, this one is way more familiar to me than T2

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but I watch it and the whole like plotting sort of like the presence of him slowly coming at you right of him like is like, and I love that whole sort of gradual reveal of her finding out of him killing everyone named Sarah Connor like that.

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And the build up is just really great storytelling and moviemaking. And it's so fun to think about Cameron kind of working within those small like smaller means to make that story happen, and not having the ability to necessarily necessarily like show the future how it, you know,

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not telling this amazing story of yeah like subtext of what you're describing of the future you don't necessarily see it but the writing is so good you can you can imagine it just seeing through that little bubble and yeah, getting an I get an idea of time travel mixed with

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robot. Okay, it's just it's a naturally great idea to me it's make sense why they made so many sequels and why it's hard to to accomplish the same thing that the first two did.

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And yeah, definitely alien guy that's one of my, it's either alien or the thing or like my favorite horror movies and sci fi horrors are so fun and sci fi thriller I guess would be the Terminator.

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Sci fi movies. Speaking of sci fi movies, or do we talk about Studio Ghibli Fest now we should probably we'll save that. Yeah, we'll save that we, I, yeah, been into Ghibli I saw a Kiki's delivery service and theaters and it was great.

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That's all I'll say about that. Oh yeah, down to biz. I mean, we got a list that was kind of fun but we'll, yeah, we'll maybe revisit that another app. We got to get into this.

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This is a movie. This is definitely a movie. This is a ninth in the saw it they call it the Skywalker saga. Is that what they call this thing.

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Right. Right. Keep getting my voice higher.

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This is the rise of Skywalker. What do you think of that name we'll start there.

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I don't like it mean anything to me. It means nothing for me. It does nothing after seeing the movie I'm like, I guess.

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I guess she's a Skywalker at the end I guess and even that moment doesn't really hit full like resonate with me, even at the end when she says she's a Skywalker I don't know.

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Because it's so incredibly hand fisted especially in this movie because this movie is trying to reconcile a lot of what I would assume in JJ's mind this steps that Ryan Johnson took to try to make this story that you argued more interesting so now I felt like I should come

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into rise of Skywalker being the opposite of our last episode right, because I was being critical of last Jedi, as not being as enjoyable as I wanted it to be because it was.

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It was.

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What was it what what did I say about it. What don't I like about it is that it is trying to make these.

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It's trying to take the franchise in a different direction, and I didn't necessarily like the direction it was taking it. And the reason that I didn't like.

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Right. Yeah, the reason that I didn't like that direction is because I was coming at it from the perspective of like, I love the. I love a new hope a lot. I also like Force Awakens a lot.

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I mean, we went and saw that together and we talked about it. It's like, it is what I would want in a Star Wars movie isn't my favorite. No, but I definitely like Force Awakens out of the three.

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If I were to, you know, if we yeah maybe we do some type of list at the end of this but I can do it now I mean I do last Jedi Force Awakens then rise probably I think your last Jedi is my favorite.

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Fair. Okay. Yeah, I would do Force Awakens last Jedi, I would just do it straight down the straight down the barrel. Yeah, I mean it's spoiler like like we're not we're not big fans of this one like it's not it's not going to know and be a tease at some point it's going to come out, and it's interesting that I feel like.

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Even though you didn't like the last one and I know you're, I'm sorry and you're, I'm kind of interrupting you're getting into your feelings about this one too but I just think with both of us, it's frustrating no matter how you look at the franchise it's frustrating all the missteps that they

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clearly took with this franchise as as a whole.

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Absolutely. It like, yeah. They took so many missteps Ryan Johnson tried to do something different halfway through a franchise which I agree with you like is just not going to work.

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You got a not chill bro.

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And then they try to finish out this one after he's like, it's almost he went on a side mission and then JJ has to come in and do a sequel to Force Awakens as well as an ending to last Jedi which do in a weird way if you like different things, when it should

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be all one thing. He's like retroactively trying to work on those little nuggets that he plays kind of in Force Awakens, but then he's been. He's now faced with this other stuff that Ryan Johnson has put in, and then he uses some of it like he uses the Jedi phone

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call. She goes back to, you know the place where the porgs are where Hamill Hamill was or Luke was and everything like there are aspects from last Jedi in here which I think are like interesting how that writing process probably was but right man I just

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just makes you makes me question how much they knew going in. Do you know was she a Palpatine always that was that the plan from Force Awakens Do you know that information or we should probably know this bit more but I, I'm not even sure if that's the case.

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I know I don't I don't believe from the from the first one, because it's just I because to your point is is that I don't believe that there was ever really an arc.

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Yeah, like they hear him that's crazy dude.

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You know it was out yeah because right the Force Awakens is so formulaic open ended.

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It doesn't.

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It doesn't really, yeah, it doesn't ask a question and answer any of it, it just goes, I'm going to, I'm going to present a bunch of concepts which JJ is good at, but then correct to this to the detriment of this movie what he's terrible at is concluding things

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you know kind of a known thing that he is a bad at because he is just like my mind lost ending is kind of polarizing as well in that way that wasn't him that was Lindelof but I know they've, but that they talked about.

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I think both of them and with the production of that show that idea of like, and I think they knew a little bit more specifically like what the ending was the period at least at the end of the sentence, or gatorade right, is that what you're talking about.

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Right, or just, well the period at the end of the sentence or like getting to the, they knew the beginning and the end but the middle. They didn't fully know what that was and they this term that I feel like they coined was like writing in the fog maybe it was already

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written in the fog, I don't know if I've ever heard that one before but they discussed that with loss where they extended seasons, full of content just because they were making good money with the show is very popular and so some of that stuff is almost disingenuous to the audience

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with information because it's not vital to the overall plot. And I, that's kind of where I hone hone in on JJ in this movie where I don't feel like he's respecting the audience in a weird way, like with like information and like how it's divvied out all that

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stuff I thought was and having the rug pulled out from underneath us I thought was just kind of cheap and not didn't feel like satisfying how they how they divvy out the information to the audience because yeah it's like they give you a lot and then the payoff doesn't really

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come through in a way that that feels good or is it if anything that just keeps going like it just keeps coming up with something different rather than resolving what they just put out and this is probably what a lot of commentary on this movie has been when it's been out for a while, you know.

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Yeah, there's a couple moments to that I just thought were so like representative of the problems that I had with the movie that I'm hard to my notes about it, which is, I know this is like at the very end but this isn't anything that's going to tell us it's hard

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to go going through the story, chronologically is impossible to go through. Yeah, it's insane but like a great example to me of the problem of this movie is is that right at the very end, there's a moment where Lando looks over to the like,

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the, oh my god, the storm, ex stormtrooper woman, and then alludes that he's potentially her father, and it's like, why, why would you do that, like, you're never going you're never going to answer that.

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And you're going to present a concept like that right at the fucking very end. And there's so much of that in this movie that it's just it presents an idea with just reckless abandonment of like, isn't this cool isn't this a odd experiment.

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So I'm going to put this in the movie to entertain you because it's almost like looking at just the presenting of an idea is what if, what if oh so fun to, you know, oh, let's, you know, kind of looking at it from like a really fucked up like,

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it's kind of lazy perspective of somebody who doesn't understand, like marketing or media cult or online media culture where they're like, I, what, what I'm told is that we need to just present all of these concepts so that then there can be a dialogue online

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about it. And that's how movies ride and live and have a second light is that there's this whole, you know, people write fan fix they'll do this, the internet will grab that I notice, Lando might actually have a daughter, oh we can make a whole

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thing out of Lando's daughter side story or something like that about formerly being a stormtrooper.

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Like, I mean, that's, it's, you don't want to be cynical but it's hard not to be when it's so brazen with some of some of that shit where it's like, somehow that's fan service that's not even that's not even fan service like why why would we care if Lando has a daughter and they're connected somehow.

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And that energy was like, what do I put in my notes was like, it's like, because we should find out and you're like calm down Lando like in that energy was almost like you were not sure if he was a father, or he was like, interested sexually because and I

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was like, I'm not sure if he's dad or daddy or daddy or sad. Like what is because he's like, yeah, I guess we should find Billy D cannot deliver lines without just being having this like sexual like back to me.

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He's mahogany right or is that or no was he in mahogany or was it. Yeah, it was mahogany or I wasn't sure if it was the Billy Holiday one.

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It was the habeasThere were issues with the

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beer, and then almost takin away is think about.

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Talking aboutbakers stuff,ズ

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Z Z From Okay, so we're going to try our sort of

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like, if only I'm just giving him shit because like, regardless, you're a 65,

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68 year old man and you're just coming at that line delivery as like, yeah,

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I got that too of like, does he want to fuck or does he want to reconnect?

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Like what is, what's the deal here?

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Tough lines within like five seconds.

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You got to establish like I'm your daddy in this whole big universe.

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I'm your dad.

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And then not only that, but how they find them and they don't even.

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It's let's talk about Piglet Coachella.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I like how we're going backwards through this movie, but like, I don't

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like a piglet Coachella.

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It's like, he just is there.

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He's like, hey, how's it going?

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This for this is just smiling.

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It is every 42 years, which is when the first came out.

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And that was a nod to that.

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That's why the festival happened is in 42 years, because that's when the first one came out.

418
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Yeah, there's all that shit in here.

419
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,760
There's so much bullshit in here.

420
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Yeah, Orlando says, but it's so it's ruined so quickly.

421
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:53,960
Piglet Coachella when Ray is as hard as the puppets are so I love puppets.

422
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,000
Oh, those puppets.

423
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:01,440
I love practical effects because that was my like that is always going to be my biggest gripe.

424
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:01,760
Right.

425
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,520
Of the prequels is that since it's so blue screen, everything will

426
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,400
in perpetuity kind of look like shit.

427
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,120
And also all the actors look like.

428
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:18,000
I know Hayden Christensen acts like a robot regardless of what movies he's in, but it

429
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:23,160
really doesn't help that he has very little real to act against.

430
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,120
And so those movies suffer so much because it's like.

431
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,240
He already has struggles with emotion.

432
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:34,960
And then to get to that stuff, you're just like, oh, this guy has nothing tangible, especially

433
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,760
as like a younger actor at the time.

434
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,280
Like, it just seems so imperative, and that's why it's always just so funny to just like

435
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,080
all these Marvel movies, like especially the quantum mania movie that came out was so such

436
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:51,880
a good example of that to me of like, especially a person like Michael Douglas acting in a

437
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,400
void where he's like, that's not his vibe.

438
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,600
Like, he's never really been that actor.

439
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:04,480
He's always been an actor who's in like these very realistic, almost zero CGI movies where

440
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,880
he's acting against people and real things.

441
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,920
And then to put him in the quantum mania, he's just he just looks like he's like out

442
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,920
of place.

443
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,040
There's no idea what the fuck's going on here, because could you imagine as the director

444
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,520
telling fucking Michael Douglas like, OK, Michael, so there's this whole world.

445
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:27,160
There's a there's a there's a head flying around with a butt on it that's going to talk

446
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,160
to you in this scene.

447
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,160
And it's going to.

448
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,040
And then you're going to say, holy shit, that guy's a butt or whatever.

449
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,400
No, that was on Brandon.

450
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,400
That was unscripted.

451
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,400
Oh, yeah.

452
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,400
He's like, what the fuck is that?

453
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,600
What the shit is that?

454
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Great, Michael, whatever.

455
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,600
Yeah, we'll just we'll go with that.

456
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,600
We're fine.

457
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,160
Let's just let Michael have it.

458
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,200
Every day on set is ten million dollars, so we got to keep moving.

459
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,320
Hey, guys, what do you want me to do for this one?

460
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,320
God.

461
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,520
So, yeah, like, I don't like the prequels for that because, yeah, just it doesn't look

462
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,520
good.

463
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,140
And then all the actors look still are so fucking stilted.

464
00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:04,920
And then it's bogged down by a bunch of bullshit that no one really cares about except George

465
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,840
Lucas.

466
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,840
And then so to go back to this movie, I think the third one's pretty good.

467
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,320
But yeah, the third one's my favorite.

468
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,640
Yeah, the third one's my favorite for sure, because it does have a little bit more practical

469
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,600
effects because it darkness gets really fucked up.

470
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,600
Right.

471
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:27,840
Because I feel like George should kind of put this like we're like.

472
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:35,800
Even on himself, that he has to visually connect that third movie to the fourth movie.

473
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:41,880
And so visually, it needed to be more practical, because if it's not, then the transition of

474
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:48,160
somebody were to watch one like to start Star Wars and watch it like in order or whatever,

475
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,400
it would be such a stark contrast to especially to where there's like so much unreal, like

476
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,640
non existent shit, blue screen shit.

477
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,360
And that's also my gripe with the fucking new Hobbit movies.

478
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,640
I was just gonna say, yeah, like the and even I was going to just going to bring up Battle

479
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:08,160
of the Five Armies, because what that movie tries to do is and ended up being a little

480
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,080
bit more of the interesting part of that movie when I watched it a second time was like the

481
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:17,500
whole little nuggets of setup for fellowship.

482
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:21,680
Some of that stuff was pretty interesting, even like the fanfic key, like or maybe that

483
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:27,280
is something Tolkien put in of like, yeah, Gandalf and Galadriel kind of like making

484
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,280
eyes at each other.

485
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,280
And I'm like, oh, I want to I want to see what happens there.

486
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,640
And they have like in Saruman's there like those in that meeting of them.

487
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,840
It's like, oh, this is like that.

488
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,920
You should check out the TV show.

489
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,960
Yeah, I didn't finish it.

490
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,120
But the thing I didn't like was, yeah, just like relentless battles.

491
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:50,520
And it just didn't mean anything because it was just such so so overblown.

492
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:56,360
It's I don't know if you've seen it, but something that like is an epitome of this

493
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:02,080
for the Hobbit movies is there's this behind the scenes and like Orlando and maybe somebody

494
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:07,760
else is like on a green.

495
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,040
Like what are those like pommel horses?

496
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,240
That's going to be a horse or whatever.

497
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:18,120
And then it's like in a green thing with a green box here.

498
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:24,240
And it's just like you just look at the actor and they're just like, I have nothing to work

499
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:25,240
with here.

500
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:30,360
I have to totally like it's a great example of because I've talked to plenty of people

501
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:37,160
who've been in movies where, yes, you like you, you don't shoot a movie in in like thematic

502
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,160
order.

503
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:43,840
And like there's all of these like moviemaking magic aspects of it that as an actor, it can

504
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:49,080
acting can be super ridiculous, even in a like a more grounded film, because in order

505
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:59,400
to create a movie, it isn't going to be in a way that like you don't get there from like

506
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,720
a character like you're not working again, like in thematic order.

507
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:07,920
So you have to like be at where the character is, where they're at the end of the movie,

508
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,800
maybe in the beginning of it, which figure it out.

509
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:17,160
Or just overall, like so many things will be out of context in the shooting of a film

510
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,640
that it can make an actor be like, I feel so ridiculous, like doing this, because I

511
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,320
don't understand where things are.

512
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,320
I don't understand.

513
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,920
You know, I haven't got like I haven't gone through what the audience has gone through

514
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,200
to with this character and all of that.

515
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,840
And you just have to like, yeah, like Hayden, maybe he's probably given a lot of direction

516
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,920
to be monotone and everything like that.

517
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,720
So yeah, I'm sure you could work around it.

518
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:47,840
Him a lot is if he doesn't deliver it with full one way or the other, we can kind of

519
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,160
have it fit whatever whatever need.

520
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:56,160
And even with Ian McKellen, I know there was that story of him like breaking down and like

521
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,800
because he just because they just he didn't know what was a he just spent however many

522
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,680
weeks in a green box just like acting.

523
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:10,480
And it's nothing and you're like, you got to feel for somebody like that.

524
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,480
Yeah, right.

525
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:17,320
You're like, I've been talking to a tennis ball for fucking two weeks and then everything

526
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:23,280
around like there's no wind, there's no trees, there's no anything like it's just green

527
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,240
boxes, green drapes, green everything.

528
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:32,600
And I'm again, yeah, talking to an inanimate object and like trying to derive emotion out

529
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,680
of it and it's just got to be so difficult.

530
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,400
But one thing I'll say about that trilogy is and maybe because it is based on a story

531
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,320
that existed is yeah, it had a through line.

532
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,840
They knew what they were doing.

533
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,840
They just did a lot of it.

534
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:55,240
Little little too much, but it had you know, the its foundation was in a truth of like

535
00:40:55,240 --> 00:41:00,720
a story that already existed and they layered shit on top of it either from I don't know,

536
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:05,200
if they did any summer alien wherever they pulled that shit about like the creation of

537
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,640
Sauron and all that stuff in this and it becomes a prequel to fellowship as well.

538
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,080
Whether it works or not, I don't know.

539
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,600
I do kind of like it more than this trilogy for that reason, because this one as a trilogy

540
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,640
just fails as a trilogy as a three part structure thing.

541
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:29,480
And it's really unsatisfying when those those trails aren't met with a conclusion with some

542
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,320
of the stuff or some characters feel not fully fleshed out or even they're not even sure

543
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,520
what they should be doing as well or like how they should be playing certain things

544
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,440
or what type of character they are.

545
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:48,360
Namely, yeah, I mean, Finn has his has his moments and he did another like charge of

546
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,800
riding a horse type creature in this in this movie.

547
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,360
I guess that's his thing now.

548
00:41:54,360 --> 00:42:03,120
And he meets up with another stormtrooper that is, you know, it's just just none of

549
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:11,600
that feels fleshed out as much and the care and including the characters and in this movie

550
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,600
in particular, particular.

551
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,160
Sorry, I'm kind of just riffing now, but I'm thinking of the pace as well.

552
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:23,040
If I can bring up the pace and like how much that must have been paramount for JJ and his

553
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,240
movies just to have that like going on the next week.

554
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:27,240
OK, OK, what's going here?

555
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:28,240
We're going here.

556
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:29,240
We're going here.

557
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:30,240
Yeah.

558
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,480
And then it turns up each scene is action or planning for the next action.

559
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,920
And I get that it's the last movie and things are kind of wrapping up and into a big battle

560
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,200
and all that.

561
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:45,360
But it just ends up kind of failing on both fronts, because in those moments where they

562
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,040
need a bit more resonance emotionally and to establish a little bit more characterization,

563
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,520
it really falls flat.

564
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,920
And that's where it really needs to come through.

565
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:55,920
Absolutely.

566
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,400
In order for those action scenes to have anything at stake or to mean anything.

567
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,280
And when it slows down, it's like even worse.

568
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,280
Yeah, absolutely.

569
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,160
It's like, oh, it's going so much.

570
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,560
I'm curious when they have a dial and then when they do, it's like, oh, well, I guess

571
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,160
we're going into the next thing.

572
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,000
It is to me such a glaring problem with this movie is that this is the third movie in a

573
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:25,200
trilogy and how much how much how many things are introduced here every single time.

574
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,040
It drives me nuts because it's like, stop it.

575
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,280
This is not the fucking movie to do that.

576
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,480
Things need to be wrapping up.

577
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,080
Start like really hitting home some ideas.

578
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,600
Let's start driving home the point on some stuff.

579
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:46,080
And you are adding so much shit into this where it's like you're going to introduce

580
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,640
it and resolve it.

581
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:53,080
Spoiler alert, they never satisfyingly resolve anything that they introduce into this movie.

582
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:59,480
It kind of just is like, you know, like Twilight Hour, man, like the very last moment in the

583
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,960
climax, they are switching lanes and introducing new shit with Palpatine and her in that whole

584
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,760
meeting at the end is a clusterfuck.

585
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,040
As with the rest of the movie, this whole movie is a cluster.

586
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,260
But that moment where there's just so many even newer ideas place every single time you

587
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:16,720
see Palpatine is dropping new stuff.

588
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:21,080
But to your point about needing to wrap it up, that's kind of how I felt the whole first

589
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,080
half.

590
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:28,760
I almost felt like kind of anxious, but just like, like, looking at my looking at my watch

591
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,800
a little bit like they're going on a lot of new characters.

592
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:37,160
There's yeah, like three side quests for the first half of this movie is like, yeah, there's

593
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,160
a MacGuffin.

594
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,160
Let's let's talk about the MacGuffin.

595
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:40,160
That's the thing.

596
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,800
Immediately get us back into the plot.

597
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,200
OK, so let's start with the beginning.

598
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,920
OK, so there's this game called Fortnite and you got to play Fortnite in order to get the

599
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,920
message from Palpatine.

600
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,560
And if you didn't play Fortnite, you got to guess what the dead speak.

601
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,640
Let's just reiterate the dead speak.

602
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:06,480
Somehow I guess it's a phrase that we're supposed to resonate with, you know, one of those classic

603
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,840
idioms of dead speak.

604
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,840
Oh, yeah.

605
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,840
Oh, I totally.

606
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,840
So funny how right off the bat.

607
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,840
OK, dead speak.

608
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,320
And then before you return, Snokes a clone, you're going to be they just do that right

609
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,320
off the bat.

610
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,800
It's like, fuck MacGuffin and movie go.

611
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:26,640
I wish to that like I would like to think that all of those hooded people in the arena,

612
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,160
a Sith arena are all snips.

613
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,200
Yeah, that's fun.

614
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,920
They're all just a bunch of snips.

615
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:33,920
No, they're not.

616
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,920
They're kings.

617
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:35,920
They're kings.

618
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,920
Didn't you see the end?

619
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:37,920
What are they?

620
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:38,920
That's what I was trying to.

621
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:45,720
I like those real people are those like more ghosts like Sith ghosts of all the like I

622
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:50,440
thought I was wondering if that was a representation of like when he's like, oh, I am all the Sith.

623
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:55,280
I was like, oh, and then is that the representation in the back of those are all the Sith that

624
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,240
he is or those just actual people that have been like, yeah, I've been bankrolling all

625
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,480
these Sith destroyers and I'm ready to fucking go.

626
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,400
OK, let's talk about this.

627
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,800
OK, first off, like he just has like board meetings with them.

628
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,160
Like every like exegol all the time.

629
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Yes, we would make another Snoke clown.

630
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,200
If you have any questions from accounting.

631
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,080
I thought they said exical like icicle, but like an ex.

632
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:28,600
I mean, I mean, it's not a great name, but anyway, the idea is kind of cool.

633
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,760
And it's crazy how it ends up being.

634
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,000
But the idea is like kind of kind of cool.

635
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,640
Like there's some ideas in here that are cool that just like, oh, OK.

636
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,920
I highlighted some of those in my notes where I would be like, oh, this is a cool idea.

637
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:42,920
Like I like this.

638
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,600
So first off is a dead army, a dead Sith army.

639
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,600
Cool idea.

640
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,680
So pretty secret Sith planet.

641
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,680
Yeah, yeah.

642
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,480
Secrets of all cool ideas really into that.

643
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,200
Yeah, I don't really have a problem with that.

644
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,560
Palpatine bag sucks, but yeah, Palpatine bag sucks for sure.

645
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,440
I yeah.

646
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,680
And then I mean, the festival thing was like pretty fun.

647
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,600
But at that time, I'm yeah, I'm looking at my watch.

648
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:09,840
What do you think of force healing?

649
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,320
Are you into that?

650
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,320
I'm into force healing.

651
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,320
I am, too.

652
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:14,320
I think it's cool.

653
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,360
I think it's it is pretty interesting to introduce this late, but also I love that.

654
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,760
And again, I'm using love for this movie, but this not again, but I just maybe for my

655
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:31,520
first time, that's a power that she manifested in a really cool way that's unique to her

656
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,720
that we've never seen before.

657
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,280
That's like, oh, raise a healer.

658
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,400
It's fucking cool.

659
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,400
I like that.

660
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,400
Right.

661
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,400
Absolutely.

662
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,720
Because it's not far fetched for the force, which is really a connect is the force in

663
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:49,960
my mind is about manipulating the force of nature and the force that it binds us all

664
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:55,520
together, kind of like atoms or, you know, just being so connected to the world.

665
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:01,280
But like, yeah, so it'd be her being able to heal makes sense to me.

666
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,280
I enjoy that.

667
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:09,520
I mean, the bond between her and Kylo like while making out at the end just drove me

668
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,960
a little fucking bad.

669
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:11,960
I like it.

670
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,960
We're we're like, fuck did this come from?

671
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:14,960
You know what I want?

672
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,960
And then it doesn't even matter, really.

673
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:17,960
You know what I want?

674
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:18,960
What you want?

675
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:19,960
Yeah.

676
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,120
Yeah, that's what it's exactly what I want.

677
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,040
And then I want him to like, OK, go stay with me.

678
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,600
He pulls it.

679
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,200
He just like a light.

680
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,120
OK, not a bad idea.

681
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,560
It's a bad idea.

682
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,880
You're not supposed to agree with that.

683
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:39,880
I'm there.

684
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,640
I'm with you because I think he should just like climax and then disappear at the moment

685
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:45,640
of climate.

686
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,640
Oh, just like disappear.

687
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,360
And then she just falls flat on his clothes.

688
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,800
Him just disappearing is so lame.

689
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,720
I hate that so much.

690
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:01,960
That's one part I was like kind of OK with.

691
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:07,920
Like because that was like she talked about, oh, I had to give up my force energy to heal

692
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,040
this creature that was that was wounded.

693
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,760
And then she did it to Kylo.

694
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,160
And I guess that was a mortal injury as well.

695
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,360
But she's just really good at it.

696
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,160
So maybe it doesn't take all of her powers.

697
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,000
But he had like how did she get good at it?

698
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,560
She had like she was like completely depleted at that point.

699
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,640
And then I kind of like the idea of that in order to get her back.

700
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,280
He really had to give everything and sacrifice himself.

701
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,760
And it also we are that shit that they introduced late game.

702
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,680
Like what are the rules of all of that?

703
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,440
It's all just such bullshit.

704
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,960
Like where did any of that come from?

705
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,780
It's just like pretty much like everything else.

706
00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:45,640
Like there's a part of me that kind of likes that.

707
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:51,000
And I feel like I kind of got it of like, oh, yeah, it took all of his force energy

708
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,240
to but then it is that kind of cake and needed to eat and immediately disappear.

709
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,140
He got to get that kiss and then he's like, OK, bye.

710
00:49:57,140 --> 00:50:00,600
And then it wraps it in a nice loop of like, yeah, how do we deal with the fact that Kylo

711
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,640
is a murderer and he's just kind of come back into the fold as a good guy.

712
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,120
Now it's like now we got to get rid him.

713
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,320
We got to get her a Darth Vader when he comes back around at the end of Return of.

714
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:10,320
You can't stick around.

715
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,320
You did too much.

716
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,880
But he should have been part of the crew from the get go in this movie.

717
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,360
Make sure it could have been like a Zuko thing, man.

718
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,160
That could have been so cool.

719
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,160
Yes.

720
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,160
Right.

721
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,160
Like everybody's like, fuck you.

722
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,760
But he's part of the crew because there are both.

723
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,200
He knows all of Luke Skywalker's teachings like he knows he was his best student.

724
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,200
Absolutely.

725
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,200
Yeah, there's so much of the Knights of Ren or something.

726
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,200
There's so there's so many.

727
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,200
Where the Knights of Rains come from.

728
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,200
Right.

729
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,200
So fuck that, Brad.

730
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,200
I mean, they talked about it.

731
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,160
They talked about him last movie as well or like showed him in like the background of

732
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,480
like little little images and it sounds so much cooler than what it is.

733
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,480
I know.

734
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,520
Well, like just like earlier there and then get their ass kicked and then it's over and

735
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,560
it's just one of those like introduce it and.

736
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,560
It's a snooks.

737
00:50:58,560 --> 00:50:59,560
It's a snooks.

738
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,120
What do you think of them mentioning the holdo?

739
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,120
We ought to do a holdo for Mary Mary himself.

740
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,600
We got to do a holdo.

741
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:05,600
Mary.

742
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,760
Brand new Brandy Buck, whatever his name is.

743
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,760
Dominic.

744
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,240
Oh, he's also in loss.

745
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:11,240
That's connection.

746
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:13,760
But yeah, he's like, what about the holdo maneuver?

747
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:14,760
All right.

748
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,000
Well, God, what a great homage.

749
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,760
Oh, isn't this fucking fun?

750
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,880
That's how I felt the whole time I do in the drop a line like whatever about droids.

751
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,000
We never underestimated droid.

752
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,000
It was like, fuck you.

753
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,600
Drew me nuts about the whole like essentially looked right down the barrel, the camera like

754
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,800
never underestimated droid.

755
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,440
And then they're like, yeah, but then they totally underestimate a droid because it's

756
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,400
helps the plot because it's C3PO has to get his mind to raise.

757
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,480
But then somebody's like, why can't you just store your mind on on R2?

758
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:53,240
And then the then three feels like R2 are it's, you know, known for having unreliable

759
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,520
storages and I'm like, that's not true.

760
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,560
He saved the planets from the Death Star.

761
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:06,560
It's just the most reliable storage in the whole universe.

762
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,320
The whole first movie of Star Wars was about him storing in a message on there and did

763
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,120
it well and took it to the person.

764
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,200
I'm like, this is just bullshit.

765
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,120
And he still had that message like last movie, right?

766
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,400
We played that same message again from that far.

767
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,160
What is this R2 storage thing?

768
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,880
Why can you store your it's like, no, because we have this after this emotional beat and

769
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,520
just totally fabricated and pull it out of nowhere at the end of the fucking at end game.

770
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,840
And you're just like, oh, it just drives me nuts.

771
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,640
However, Bob Frank's pretty cool.

772
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,240
I think school there.

773
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:40,240
That's a new planet.

774
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:41,520
And then what's your name?

775
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,520
That's a very rough.

776
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,720
Yeah, I don't know, she's got such sexy eyes.

777
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:48,840
Yeah.

778
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,840
And a cool helmet.

779
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:50,840
Got these hot, hot eyes.

780
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:51,840
Oh yeah.

781
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:52,840
Yeah.

782
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,840
Yeah.

783
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,960
I don't see them much more, but her eyes and I'm like, those are good eyes, though.

784
00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:59,960
Those are winners.

785
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,320
And and her and Poe have everything.

786
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:08,600
However, I do kind of more so ship Finn and Poe, if you ask me, then them two together.

787
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:09,600
I'm into it.

788
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:10,600
I like I like their.

789
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaking of Poe, I thought kind of fun.

790
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,680
He was a spice runner.

791
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:16,680
Dune connection.

792
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:17,680
Space Malone.

793
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:18,680
Space Malone.

794
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:19,680
Shy Halood.

795
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:20,680
Shy Halood.

796
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:21,680
I had.

797
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:22,680
I couldn't get over that.

798
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,680
I exclamation pointed it in my notes.

799
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,520
I was like, oh, yeah, it was a spice runner.

800
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:31,520
Dune connection.

801
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,520
Spice Malone.

802
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,520
I definitely put that one in there.

803
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:34,520
I was like, oh, space Malone.

804
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:35,520
Spice Malone over here.

805
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:41,720
But this this spice running Poe because is, yeah, is that you know, is there a Dune connection

806
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:42,720
there?

807
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:43,720
But yeah, that's a spice.

808
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:49,480
I mean, that's got to that's got to be purposely doing reference, right?

809
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,480
I don't know.

810
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,000
Yeah, because I mean, this this movie came out before that movie.

811
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,280
But yeah, I don't know.

812
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,760
You know, the story, the the origins of Star Wars, obviously, the Dune has been George

813
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,600
Lucas loving, loving Dune and doing it for sure.

814
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,400
I think a movie like a space opera or whatever.

815
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,400
And God.

816
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:13,440
OK, so the the desert Coachella thing ends up in this pretty cool action sequence of

817
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,840
them getting chased in these like speeder things.

818
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,000
They fly now.

819
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,560
I wrote that down to me.

820
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,880
I was like, it just that that is all.

821
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,160
And I even wrote, which to me is like a great example of what the language of this movie

822
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:32,920
is, is that you can just have a character go like, this is a thing now and we just have

823
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:38,120
to get on board and just move on and just accept it.

824
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:43,240
And it was like just so funny to hear a character in a movie making it sound so meta where they're

825
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:46,280
like and like look into the camera and they fly now.

826
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,200
And you're like, they are being what?

827
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,200
Just like, yeah, just they stormtroopers, I guess.

828
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,800
I mean, it's cool that they do fly, but God damn it.

829
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:56,800
Let them fly away.

830
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,760
You got to say anything about it.

831
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,760
Let us enjoy it.

832
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:01,760
Let them cook.

833
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,760
Let them cook.

834
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:09,280
Just like, you know, anyway, so yeah, there's pretty fun action.

835
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,880
And I like the worm.

836
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,160
It's undercut, though.

837
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,800
It's undercut for me because they.

838
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,800
Very serendipitously all get sucked into this thing, which they all survive.

839
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,840
Not really a lot of drama there.

840
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:22,840
They all just get sucked underground.

841
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,960
That's a terrifying idea to get sucked into sand.

842
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:31,160
Oh, yeah, but it doesn't really matter because they all are OK almost immediately and everybody's

843
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,960
underground now and be like, OK, well, I guess that's fine.

844
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:42,360
And then then introduces what drove me nuts is that we have this pyramid thing that gets

845
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,600
you the coordinates to exit goal.

846
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,960
But then they need to get another MacGuffin.

847
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,880
This is a double deuce MacGuffin.

848
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,040
There's two that exist.

849
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,640
And they what they do what they find down there isn't the fucking wayfinder.

850
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:04,920
What they find is the perfect perspective point of view in order to put your name in

851
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:05,920
the perfect spot.

852
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,360
I literally was like, turn the movie off.

853
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,680
Like there were moments of you.

854
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,840
I just had to like pause it.

855
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,840
Go have a cigarette outside.

856
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,760
It's a movie.

857
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:24,560
I have to go in and fucking continue to watch this bullshit where I was like at the screen

858
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:30,000
at the time and yelling at the screen because I'm like, fuck you movie.

859
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:38,400
That you introduce something like this that is so happenstance, so clearly happenstance.

860
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,720
And it just is like you.

861
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:44,040
It just is so unnecessary.

862
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,600
We don't need the knife.

863
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,320
We don't need a majority of this stuff.

864
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,960
Again, mind a rewrite of this.

865
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:57,800
Get Kylo on board because he also fundamentally almost from the jump wants Palpatine dead.

866
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,160
So why doesn't he become an enemy of my enemy is my friend from the get go and go like,

867
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:07,240
we're going to go kill Palpatine together, which then that whole reveal that it's like

868
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:10,080
Palpatine wants Ray to kill her.

869
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:18,160
But then also has this whole backup plan to suck the life force out of them to then be

870
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,080
to then like.

871
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,560
It just is so fucking dumb.

872
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,520
Yeah, it really is.

873
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,720
And that sucks so hard.

874
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,520
Essentially, I was telling the screen the whole time during during all that stuff.

875
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,400
Oh, it really got a problem.

876
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,560
I crawled out or whatever.

877
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:38,560
Yeah.

878
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,960
So so so Pal, they keep they keep Palpatine alive.

879
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,040
They put all the Sith people in him.

880
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:48,000
And Snoke was just essentially like a.

881
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,120
Like a puppet.

882
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,360
To clone puppet puppet thing, dad, for no need, no reason.

883
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:59,100
There's zero reason why I didn't show like how the fuck they fished him out of the whatever

884
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:03,360
shit that they threw him in and return to the Jedi, because I mean, I love that a little

885
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,640
bit of that of just like some guys like going some stormtroopers going down and fishing

886
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,200
him out of the bottom or some shit.

887
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,200
Right.

888
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,960
And I know something like that, because it's it's just like that's such the way that he

889
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,160
died now, who's to say you can't fucking come back now because he fucking got essentially

890
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:19,720
vaporized in the last one.

891
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:20,720
He's right.

892
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,240
It's like he was somehow somehow he returned.

893
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:25,240
I will.

894
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,240
I'm sorry.

895
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,240
Somehow, somehow the dead.

896
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,560
I'm glad you brought this up.

897
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:29,840
The dead speak.

898
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,040
The dead speak.

899
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,840
I'm glad you brought this up because this is something that was really apparent in this

900
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:40,760
movie that I don't really like isn't something that I've never like I hadn't noticed before

901
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:46,440
in the Star Wars movies, but there are multiple times in this movie where people get like

902
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,860
super killed.

903
00:58:48,860 --> 00:58:56,800
When I talk about super killed, it's like somebody you clearly see gets like vaporized.

904
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:02,720
Like I talk like it can be kind of comical to me when somebody gets like super murdered,

905
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,080
where it's like it's one thing when somebody gets shot and they're like, fuck, you know,

906
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,200
like I'm dying and you kind of like it happens off screen and kind of just like accept it.

907
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:16,520
But then there's this there's these moments of film where you clearly see somebody get

908
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:22,160
like beyond murder, like vaporized essentially.

909
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,240
And it happens a couple of times where there's like a stormtrooper that's like the jetpack

910
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:27,240
guy.

911
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,240
Yeah, like that goes into the mountain.

912
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,320
That guy caught me off guard too.

913
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:40,120
I was like, dude, I was like, that guy is like microscopic pieces.

914
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:45,560
He went from a full flesh human being to to like particles like, you know, and in your

915
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:51,240
head, somebody's decapitated head on a table at some point.

916
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,520
I was like, yeah, that one guy that like gives them the info at the very beginning when they're

917
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:02,520
doing that whole kind of like weird under what underground ice area and they like pull

918
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:08,600
up in the little Falcon and that guy or like, and then he feeds them the cable and they

919
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,040
like upload the whatever and that guy gets his head to capitated.

920
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:17,080
You're like, wow, there's just some weird like grew some ass shit in this.

921
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,680
And it just like the guy at the end to where he like runs to the window and is looking

922
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,280
out, then they show the explosion.

923
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,120
But you see his body like, OK, let's talk about Richard E. Grant.

924
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,120
Let's talk about Richard.

925
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,120
Yeah, yeah.

926
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,800
Let's talk about it.

927
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,080
I love Richard E. Grant.

928
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,760
He's like a villain in like most shit because he's just got that face and got that voice

929
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,520
where he's just like, I feel like he was nominated in like an Oscar.

930
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,320
Recently, for a recent performance.

931
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,920
OK, he's awesome.

932
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,320
I love Richard E. Grant.

933
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,840
Yeah, he was perfect.

934
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:52,040
I mean, it was kind of unceremonious how Domnall got dispatched with.

935
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:58,960
But I don't know, some of some of that turn was kind of kind of fun, but also like.

936
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,640
I just want Kylo to lose was a little hollow as well.

937
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,460
We're like, really, man?

938
01:01:05,460 --> 01:01:07,120
You don't you're not into the cause.

939
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,200
You seem you seem enough like into the cause, not just about power, but I guess he's just

940
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,800
all about all about the power.

941
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,600
And if Kyle is going to have it, then, you know, he's just got to take everybody down

942
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:17,600
or whatever.

943
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:23,960
I really didn't like to in this movie that Kylo just is able to kind of magically appear

944
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,320
in situations like to Ray to.

945
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:34,000
Yeah, like or like actually appear, not that weird force phone call shit that they were

946
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,000
doing.

947
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,000
But it is that right.

948
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,720
And then you kind of visualize a little differently.

949
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:38,720
It's not.

950
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,320
But then there's then there's moments that it's not that like he is actually there on

951
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:45,600
that Death Star wreckage and just kind of appears.

952
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:46,600
I don't know where.

953
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:47,600
Right.

954
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,960
Oh, I mean, like he just shows going in and he just shows up and then or when they're

955
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,240
on the Piglet Coachella, like he just he shows up.

956
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,600
And then I did like that scene where Ray's ship.

957
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:03,020
Well, the reason he finds out the thing that whatever was shown in the trailer.

958
01:02:03,020 --> 01:02:08,160
But the reason he found her at the at the Pigchella, which is where they push the phone

959
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:15,400
call force call a little too far is when physical fat like physical objects are getting pulled

960
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:16,880
and I don't like that.

961
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:17,880
That's where they go too far.

962
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,680
The connection thing, even as you know, whatever convoluted and they didn't explain it at house.

963
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:29,120
I was the one who forged the connection between you and somehow somehow the debt speak.

964
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,120
It's another.

965
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,120
Yeah, I hate that.

966
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:35,200
That's the beginning of it, but the idea isn't isn't bad.

967
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:40,880
And the fact that it comes back in this one, sometimes in interesting ways, but they use

968
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:46,580
that physical item thing in a in a dumb, dumb way because I don't know, or just like a way

969
01:02:46,580 --> 01:02:49,680
too convenient exposition sort of way.

970
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:54,760
And that's kind of you could argue that's how the origin of it is in the second and

971
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,060
the eighth one or whatever, too, is like it's kind of suspect of like, oh, we just need

972
01:02:58,060 --> 01:03:03,800
exposition and in a conversation that they can have together in different places.

973
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,780
To move the plot in a different way.

974
01:03:06,780 --> 01:03:13,040
This movie to me has something in it that has happened like is almost part of a lot

975
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:18,920
of popular filmmaking that is the fucking worst in my mind.

976
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:23,840
So this movie is like even more egregious because it's happened and I've seen it before

977
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:30,120
and I hate it and then for it to be the crux of this makes it suck even harder is that

978
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,280
even in this movie, it says I am the one.

979
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:40,680
Who has been pulling the strings the whole time because we're huge James Bond family

980
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,680
of your pain.

981
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:44,680
Awful.

982
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:46,640
Hate that.

983
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:53,520
It's it's stocks so hard in my so it's either convoluted or unnecessary.

984
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,440
If they do plan it ends up being reverse engineered.

985
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,520
This whole movie is reverse engineered to to that point.

986
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:08,560
But then for them to retroactively fix all those other things to that end is extremely

987
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:14,440
frustrating because then it tries to make a cinematic universe out of something that

988
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,680
wasn't originally and that speaks to like, oh, Marvel's doing well.

989
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:24,000
Let's try to make a little universe of like a Thanos or some shit and make it make it

990
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,600
all leading to Thanos.

991
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,280
But it's Blofeld.

992
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,680
And then they do that fan service thing to even a little bit.

993
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:35,800
It was like, oh, it's Blofeld in this one where it's yeah, just fucking like they just

994
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:40,420
give so much attention to shit that only matters if you've seen the other ones.

995
01:04:40,420 --> 01:04:44,560
And that is just such a waste of fucking time when you should be doing something new and

996
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:48,600
original like I just come up with something.

997
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:58,080
It's one of those things where like how markets like a trend in a market is actually been

998
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,880
fostering right.

999
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:09,280
And it's then you it takes almost like years for it to like a prevailing trend to manifest.

1000
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,960
And oftentimes what happens is is that the people who.

1001
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:20,800
All these big movers and shakers that move so slowly end up implementing a trend.

1002
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:29,320
It's no longer like a trend, like an interesting trend because it has already been done before.

1003
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:36,120
And this is just another great example of an inspector did it to where.

1004
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:41,680
Marvel had done this years before and people loved it because they're like, oh, I really

1005
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:46,640
like the idea that these characters live in the same universe and there's this interconnectivity

1006
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:47,640
to it.

1007
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,760
And I can get on board and find that interesting.

1008
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,440
And then that had happened.

1009
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,120
And then years later.

1010
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:58,640
They finally get around to making these movies and implement those trends.

1011
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:04,100
And you're like, I fucking hate this because now I've I've already seen this.

1012
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:08,540
So already it's like not new or like wildly interesting.

1013
01:06:08,540 --> 01:06:15,400
And then also to the bigger problem in my mind is how much a devalues things like that

1014
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:22,520
had previously happened instead of like working in service of creating value in a way that

1015
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,040
is more unique and interesting.

1016
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:31,360
You're just like piling on or like.

1017
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,080
Taking what you have and changing it.

1018
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:37,300
And that's not fun and cool and interesting.

1019
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:46,040
Like I don't need like the idea that Blofeld is behind a silver shit is stupid and it's

1020
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:47,760
unnecessary.

1021
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,080
And just like in this movie is like.

1022
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:58,080
What if what is more interesting to me is like what if Snoke was like how Sith are.

1023
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,360
There's only two set.

1024
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:05,720
There's a master and an apprentice and they're always in flux because as a Sith you the apprentice

1025
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:11,520
is going to kill the master and then so there's a point that happens where the master has

1026
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,760
to start defending itself because they're going to be overtaken and there's this whole

1027
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:20,800
like duality because the Sith is all about power and that power struggle is going to

1028
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,360
be infinitesimal like infinite right.

1029
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,540
So it's always going to be power exists.

1030
01:07:26,540 --> 01:07:28,080
New power comes in.

1031
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:34,760
That power is going to try to control that younger power and then the younger power is

1032
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,720
going to be like fuck the older power.

1033
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:41,200
I'm going to kill you and overtake you and then the cycle continues.

1034
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,040
But like.

1035
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,720
Why make it a puppet situation?

1036
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:47,720
Why not?

1037
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,360
You know like we're not even like you don't even need to fuck with it.

1038
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:57,680
In my mind is like Snoke was meeting the apprentice and Palpatine was the master and what ended

1039
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:02,960
up happening is that the apprentice got killed by a stronger Jedi and then where we're at

1040
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:11,200
now but like the need to have it all be this orchestrating of your own like of your pain

1041
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,720
shit is so fucking dumb.

1042
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,880
Yeah and it's a combination of that and also I feel like they are trying to satisfy the

1043
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:25,240
beats of Return of the Jedi almost where it is that where Kylo is to Darth Vader as Palpatine

1044
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,240
is to the Palpatine back then because they don't have any new fucking things.

1045
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:29,720
They just got to just do Palpatine again.

1046
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:30,720
Oh yeah you got to just keep doing that.

1047
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,400
And then put him on the throne and then have this power struggle and then Kylo make the

1048
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:41,800
turn and then have him die and not have to atone for everything he's done and it's just

1049
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:51,960
so clean and ends up being lazy as well but to this trilogy in general I just more and

1050
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:56,920
more and especially this last time I watch it it just frustrates me to have it be so

1051
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:01,880
revolved around I mean if we said this right off the bat but skywalkers and Palpatines

1052
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:06,080
and have that always what it comes down to when you actually do have the beginnings of

1053
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:11,960
very interesting characters and Finn who is something new like his character is a new

1054
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:18,600
idea of like a stormtrooper taking his helmet off and becoming a part of the resistance

1055
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,160
so it's just so good of an idea.

1056
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:27,760
Really cool thing and even you know I know Poe is essentially a Han Solo yeah so there

1057
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,320
are the analogs but Rey being a hero.

1058
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:32,320
He's not though.

1059
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:33,320
He's not.

1060
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:40,440
Fundamentally he's also not though because he is trying to work like Poe having a conversation

1061
01:09:40,440 --> 01:09:45,320
with Holdo in the last Jedi where there's that power struggle that he's there.

1062
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:49,280
He actually care yeah he doesn't just care about himself and the money he like already

1063
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,720
is like into the like in it and the resistance.

1064
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:56,680
He is into it yeah he's totally into it and then there's so much of that in this movie

1065
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:03,120
too where he is like the leader of the resistance and there's so much attention paid to him

1066
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:09,320
like in the cockpit when they're fighting all of the the Star Destroyers of like man

1067
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:14,880
so much Otis and so much pressure and so much importance is placed on the fact that I am

1068
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:21,120
leading this team into battle and our downfall is really a representation of my inadequacies

1069
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,880
like that's not something really Han Solo ever had to fuck with.

1070
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:31,480
Like Han Solo was just way more of like very simply put is like just trying to care more

1071
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:34,240
about the world that he's a part of.

1072
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:40,480
Like that's all that he needed to get to but Poe is cared about that world.

1073
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:46,360
But he but interestingly for him is that he is cared about what that means in a different

1074
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,920
way than maybe the establishment or maybe whatever.

1075
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,680
But yeah he's been there from the beginning getting the yeah from the very first scene

1076
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,440
of the Force Awakens yeah.

1077
01:10:54,440 --> 01:11:00,360
Yeah just being like on board with what the resistance is about and not ending up being

1078
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:04,600
like a spice runner that his arc is going from.

1079
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:12,560
I like none of this matters you know what really matters is whether I'm getting paid

1080
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,800
what I'm doing is interesting to me yada yada.

1081
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:21,280
It's like he's always cared a fair amount about what the overall objective for the resistance

1082
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:26,160
has been which is yeah a new take on that which is a more modern take which is an interesting

1083
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,440
take but yeah.

1084
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:33,720
And then yeah I just what's yeah is it Rose is that her Rose.

1085
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:34,720
Well yeah.

1086
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:40,520
I mean she's another good sideline sidelined yeah and I thought she was interesting as

1087
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:46,440
as well about being you know these these displaced people that are displaced by whatever first

1088
01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:52,720
order final order fuck you order whatever it is Empire.

1089
01:11:52,720 --> 01:12:02,240
Fucks you back fuck you or you know and that whole and that's been a part of the Mandalorian

1090
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:07,440
and and even parts of Andor and these shows and I think those have just been so much more

1091
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:12,960
successful about telling those those stories about about those people as opposed to the

1092
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:18,920
people in power or the skywalkers and Palpatines and similar message I shared with on last

1093
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:25,700
episode as well but they could have definitely followed through with that a little bit better

1094
01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:33,800
for me in terms of the that but there's just so there's so many through so fucking much

1095
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:39,000
into this movie and it's it's been hard to track I feel like we've been going through

1096
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,240
a fair amount I mean there is yeah yeah we can start getting wings are getting to like

1097
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,580
I feel like I'm probably going to just go through some of my notes and see if there's

1098
01:12:46,580 --> 01:12:52,440
anything like yeah we'll just do that there's a light speed skipping that seemed like crazy

1099
01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:56,240
but he's just such a good pilot I like how good good of a pilot he is but so it seems

1100
01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:04,720
like nuts how do you light speed skip like that without crashing somehow a line that

1101
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:10,720
I can't yeah I can't remember Carrie Russell's character her name is but I love this line

1102
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:15,640
that she gives where she meets Ray for the first time and then she says this not that

1103
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:26,200
you care but I think you're okay and I was gonna say that in some capacity to you yeah

1104
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:31,840
James it's not that you care but I think you're pretty I think you're okay I need your help

1105
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:36,280
we need your help it's such a weird line I just can't get over it I also thought it was

1106
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:45,480
interesting that the indoor system is where they go the indoor system I mean kind of yeah

1107
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:51,760
I don't know kind of like that too I love I love some of the scenery I put I made a

1108
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:56,760
lot of notes that there was like scenery stuff like set piece stuff wreckage of a death star

1109
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:01,920
that like a lightsaber lightsaber battle on the wreckage of a Death Star like you'd see

1110
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:07,800
JJ come in the room and he tells you that like fuck yeah JJ yeah yeah or like fighting

1111
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:17,960
on top of the Death Star with like these horse creatures or whatever cool like yeah I was

1112
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,960
way more into it this time than I'm the last time for some sort of reason I'm like this

1113
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:27,560
is lame I understood more that it was like closer that for some reason like I thought

1114
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:31,240
they were in space or something I'm like how are they doing that it's no yeah they're like

1115
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:36,400
but they're like about to take off or like hovering over exegol or whatever and they

1116
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:40,640
were doing all that shit on top of this shit yeah that that worked for me a bit better

1117
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:46,880
this time I almost thought one of the characters in the bar was detective crash more and then

1118
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,680
I looked up detective crash more from my and then actor from I think you should leave do

1119
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:58,880
you know his name is no what is it Biff whiff on IMDB that's his name this what the fuck

1120
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:03,800
dude look up Biff whiff and it made me so happy I was like whoa he's not in Rise of

1121
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:09,280
Skywalker like uncredited or something but that that bar with all the cool like practical

1122
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:18,080
effects aliens and robots or whatever he said he's in the new season too oh that was something

1123
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:22,400
I went in here just throwing my hands around throwing my head around just thought I'd wreck

1124
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,880
the place it's on the news yeah something about this weekend that I really loved it's

1125
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:32,560
like watching I think you should leave with people yes really one of those things that

1126
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:40,040
I just find so much fucking like pure joy in yes because I just remember Cedric introducing

1127
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:46,080
it to him in his face the entire time I kept looking over and he's just like what the fuck

1128
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:52,200
is going on what is wrong with this guy what is wrong with you people like you almost like

1129
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:59,400
there's just a question of like am I okay do I know nuts people like not so people because

1130
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:05,040
this is the craziest shit I've ever seen that makes zero sense and it just makes me so fucking

1131
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:18,200
happy to just like laugh with people where I was yelling so much yeah Biff whiff Bobby

1132
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:25,520
Frick was a was pretty good FaceTime lightsaber battle raised evil lightsaber was fucking

1133
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:30,360
cool it like spun around and then it was like a double prong thing that you could and then

1134
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:35,200
it like spun back around to a Darth Maul sort of said it was like a Darth Maul situation

1135
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:39,920
yeah but then a double blade as well that was sweet more stuff like that and then she

1136
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:44,840
gets the yellow saber at the end to double right battle yeah I got that and then Erisons

1137
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:49,600
back that there was that moment that was a good moment those two are good actors you

1138
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,400
know what's weird is that it was supposed to be Leia there but all of the Leia stuff

1139
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,280
too I will say that I because that was one of my close to my first notes because she

1140
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,840
comes into this obviously like kind of early in the movie because she's you know like boots

1141
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:11,200
on the ground person and very unsettling it's like always unsettling because she's never

1142
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:17,840
really talking to somebody she's more just talking into a void and then people are reacting

1143
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:22,620
to it and it's just it's so unsettling and I really don't care for it and I made the

1144
01:17:22,620 --> 01:17:29,000
point last pod about this of like I don't for the life of me understand why they let

1145
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:35,560
her they killed her and then brought her back yeah like if anything why not just have killed

1146
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:42,720
her and had to deal with the fallout of that and then that would have been better for the

1147
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:51,720
story because she did die like why not like it just continues to baffle me that you know

1148
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:58,160
when it went and killed her but then brought her back to life like why don't do that you

1149
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:02,880
know yeah it was make the smarter decision to just go like we're gonna let sleeping dogs

1150
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:08,520
lie and let Carrie Fisher and where she did end in her real life and then as generals

1151
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,480
at the end and then they have to figure out which they do have that moment where they're

1152
01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:15,680
like major general and they have the I like see yeah I'm telling you those two together

1153
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:20,840
is pretty fun and like the small moments they have I mean it's they were they've been together

1154
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:24,400
throughout the trilogy but I have their their chemistry and this one is figured out and

1155
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:31,120
like then being like leaders co-leaders was kind of like an interesting idea of yeah but

1156
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:38,720
um I know they were probably just trying to like make make fun of and and it was probably

1157
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:44,160
purposeful but when he like when she throws the lightsaber and then Luke catches it and

1158
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:50,800
it's like Jedi weapons deserves more respect I know I wrote Luke is sassy AF and he just

1159
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:56,320
can't stop himself from being a sassy motherfucker but he threw it in the last and the end of

1160
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,400
force awake right of course so I guess that's just nonetheless he's just like gives her

1161
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:06,320
shit even in death he can't help himself it was just so weird he's gone full Yoda being

1162
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:11,680
yeah Luke being as sassy as he is because and then also too there's that whole flashback

1163
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:16,480
of Leia and young Luke so he got that like yeah I was just gonna bring that up aging

1164
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:21,680
stuff uh-huh and then I thought that was weird interesting how it was saying I liked it but

1165
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:26,360
I don't know it looks I'm not I'm not thrilled about the inner like introducing the concept

1166
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:31,800
of Leia being a Jedi weirdly I don't know I'm sorry like it's it's a weird concept to

1167
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:36,600
me to introduce such late game because obviously that wasn't part of any of the original trilogy

1168
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:42,440
I could understand her having force sensitivity for sure but I don't understand why she needs

1169
01:19:42,440 --> 01:19:49,120
to necessarily be a lightsaber wielding Jedi like I don't know come at me people but like

1170
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:56,720
I that's just I don't know it's it's fine I always just envisioned her as being such

1171
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:02,780
a wonderful leader and general and having some force sensitivity where she could kind

1172
01:20:02,780 --> 01:20:08,100
of be like oh I can sense that certain things are happening so I'm going to use my general

1173
01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:13,760
status to like get our forces there and help the situation but I just don't I don't know

1174
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:20,600
it's weird to me that she is a like a lightsaber wielding Jedi it didn't yeah it doesn't do

1175
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:25,640
much because it only has that one scene of her using one and it's like and that I was

1176
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:30,200
just gonna bring this up too because it's like well first of all the I think the de-aging

1177
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:34,680
worked somewhat tastefully because it was like dark lining and then they had helmets

1178
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:39,440
and so that kind of like put a framing device boxes it in yeah it's just like really we

1179
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:44,360
just have to d-d-age just this little area yeah right the uncanny valley is a little

1180
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:50,680
easy to deal with but but back to that her becoming a Jedi yeah it was just such a weird

1181
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:56,560
like oh by the way she totally nailed her Jedi performance and passed the test but then

1182
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:04,360
it says if she couldn't go on to be a Jedi because she had this prophecy about her son

1183
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:09,600
dying it it is such a throwaway fucking line I had to rewind and be like wait what did

1184
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:14,000
they just say so she didn't become a Jedi because she had this and it just didn't say

1185
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:19,280
how just that she got this prophecy of Kylo her son dying what happens at the end of this

1186
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:26,400
movie he dies he dies yeah okay so he dies when in this prophecy that they're talking

1187
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:30,680
about and why introduce it now and why talk about I get what you're saying man it's like

1188
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:35,720
it's just to what end and what and we don't see her fuck with this lightsaber doing any

1189
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,840
other Jedi stuff besides force powers which is fine because last Jedi establishes that

1190
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:46,080
the force is a lot more like ever ever present and I made the point is I care for is kind

1191
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,840
of feeling Finn is here in it at times oh you didn't like that or just some last movie

1192
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:54,760
last movie well in the last movie because that was the first time ever that Leia is

1193
01:21:54,760 --> 01:22:02,520
like so force not just for sensitive but like has Jedi powers and again it was just so fucking

1194
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:07,800
weird to me that we know that Carrie Fisher passed away there's a scene which she dies

1195
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:12,800
then she uses force powers that we that I at least had never understood her to ever

1196
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:18,720
have to sip her back into the ship and it just seemed insane to me I had a hard time

1197
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:23,200
so the point where was almost like comical where I was like where the fuck did this come

1198
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,640
from and how was she able to do this and why are we introducing this now to never really

1199
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:32,000
ever talk about it and it just drives a lot of that stuff yeah it's just like oh yeah

1200
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:38,200
and this cool thing and this cool thing anyways let's go get that my guffin yep and that was

1201
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:43,960
planet we have privacy thing never been readier was just like never never been more ready

1202
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:53,160
never been ready I never been ready for bones that sign the fact that death stars in this

1203
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:58,040
movie and the deaths yeah no deaths just a star destroyers I'm sorry star destroyers

1204
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:06,280
in this movie have death star abilities yeah I was like fuck those are those real nasty

1205
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:14,560
exegol ships that they have like 300 of and so yeah just so how long have they just been

1206
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:20,720
on exegol just building that shit under the ground all those guys I'm sorry but you can't

1207
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:26,720
like you and they're talking about like how like the works before this when you do this

1208
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,440
shit it's like have this whole backup army that they could have used at any time they're

1209
01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:34,520
like no just been saving it for no no we've just been saving it even though we talked

1210
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:38,280
so much in last year this they also have this new technology you never knew that they had

1211
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:43,600
guess what it's like more stronger than everything ever before and it's just like do you fuck

1212
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:50,080
off yeah straight up force pulling laser blast cool I remember that I don't know just like

1213
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:55,120
do that in force awakens right off the bat but there was a battle where she's raised

1214
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:59,360
kind of doing that a lot of a lot of laser redirecting and I really like that as a force

1215
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:05,960
power just like like forcing in a different different direction what is that what is that

1216
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:12,520
part where is it look at this look at this I feel like I forget what scene is just like

1217
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:20,480
look at this look at this and you just keep saying that so long sky trash that's what

1218
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:27,920
Kerry Russell my actual my actual note was of course every star destroyer has a planet

1219
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:40,560
killing laser comma puke yeah that's a lot of my ending with just like the way fuck you

1220
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:47,640
movie oh god so many hooded people I would like to imagine them all as Snokes Lando did

1221
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:54,160
it Palpatine gets vaporized pretty sweet that was pretty sweet yeah that was a cool effect

1222
01:24:54,160 --> 01:25:01,680
and then just some blasts he's like I love it his voice is amazing him coming back like

1223
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,760
all that's I don't know I love that actor and him his voice is really cool but just

1224
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:11,760
don't need Palpatine I don't know can you set me up for a joke real quick yeah can you

1225
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:18,560
be that old woman that comes up to Ray oh yeah and I'll be right so you can paraphrase

1226
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,440
whatever whatever she's yeah she's like it hasn't been anyone here for a while who are

1227
01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:31,760
you yeah I got you something like that and then do the like grey who yeah hey what are

1228
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:39,760
you doing here there hasn't been anybody here in ages this used to be the Skywalker residents

1229
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:57,160
who are you right but what's your last name Romano yeah whatever that's my that's my dad

1230
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:04,360
joke for today I was like cracking myself up and having fucked it that was the most

1231
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,560
fun I had the whole movie was making that joke to myself and I was laughing it's like

1232
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:14,360
hey Cara did you hear my Ray Romano joke it's the same shit with the piglet at Piglet Coachella

1233
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:21,840
where it's like why would a random person ever pressure somebody into getting their

1234
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:30,960
full last name like that is so on solo thing it's so call you solo like ham-fisted for

1235
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:39,160
anybody to that is a complete stranger to be like oh but what's your last name and make

1236
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:45,920
such a point of like oh but tell me your last name we as pig people need to know last names

1237
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:51,000
you need to know last names I like to know your last name because I am a pig person and

1238
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,000
that's how we do things around here this story was by four people and it was originally going

1239
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:59,000
to be directed by like Colin Trevorrow right and then they like change that second yeah

1240
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:03,880
great idea just have JJ Abrams to a Ryan Johnson to a Colin Trevorrow who needs the same director

1241
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:09,600
for each movie why would you do that Colin Trevorrow's done what else he's done Jurassic

1242
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:20,480
World I think that's right yep which are what they are let's moving away from this movie

1243
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:25,480
oh yeah yeah let's do reviews I will before we get into reviews on a scale of I have a

1244
01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:36,000
question for you on a scale of out of a hundred like Rotten Tomatoes score what do you think

1245
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:46,560
critics are going to give the new Indiana Jones movie oh I cheated and looked at the

1246
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:50,680
running score right now which only has like so it has a running score because I was trying

1247
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:55,960
to see if we were looking for a movie next time and oh damn our eyes on the score but

1248
01:27:55,960 --> 01:28:01,040
I can ask you that question because I think I remember what it was okay and I don't think

1249
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:05,520
it's like complete yet I think there's like 60 reviews or something yeah because it was

1250
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:13,800
shown it can right yeah yeah I'm gonna say it's gonna get a 65 close 56 just reverse

1251
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:21,920
that and you're there even worse oh yeah it's emotional and has those beats that like oh

1252
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:28,680
it's good to see off again maybe man gold does some interesting I don't know yeah what

1253
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:32,840
do you think the dial of destiny is about we just like rap about this before you know

1254
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,400
it happens what do you think the dial of destiny I think it's going to be some type of time

1255
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:42,760
travel yeah it's some gonna be some time reset thing or something right so it's gonna be

1256
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:50,280
some send-off to him do you think the power is going to be you can travel yourself back

1257
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:58,040
in time or you can what would be the what would be the other thing I could think of

1258
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:03,840
yeah I don't know I was wondering if there's a way that it like reverses versus all of

1259
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:10,320
time or like artifacts in some way to their original state or something like that so they

1260
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:15,440
can get I'm trying to think how it comes into like it I guess it is an artifact itself but

1261
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:19,480
I'm wondering if anything how specific it's going to be is it going to be something that

1262
01:29:19,480 --> 01:29:26,440
like it reverses time altogether or is it something that like a person can control and

1263
01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:32,880
then themselves are able to travel in time mm-hmm yeah maybe and it's and it's like

1264
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,880
nazism is bad like the guy the bad guy is like a nazi again or something right yeah

1265
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:44,320
sure trying to bring bring that whole thing is going to be set in like late 60s I think

1266
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:51,080
late 60s so gonna be like hippie shit is gonna be in this right do you match up the Beatles

1267
01:29:51,080 --> 01:30:00,040
are in this movie Andy runs into the big show we got a really big show we got a we got an

1268
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:18,840
archaeologist here hey I would like to see what's my destiny can I try a new song if

1269
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:37,800
you ask my name is really I like to like make songs with an iteration it sounds fun I just

1270
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,600
when are we gonna hit the apex so this is a question this is a good example or a good

1271
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:48,040
question for this in general it's like are we gonna hit a point where we cut this shit

1272
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:56,360
out and go like we're not going to just keep like these ips alive because they're not they

1273
01:30:56,360 --> 01:31:02,160
are doing well box office I think which is new ones being made as a thing like I don't

1274
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:08,800
know like is there an apex I guess I'm just so like curious from a philosophical question

1275
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:15,720
right of like when do we just reach that point of like people are sick and fucking tired

1276
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:24,160
of these rehashings because every outing that these rehashings like have they're not well

1277
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:30,760
received we go to see it because people are like sheeple and they're like I like this

1278
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:35,200
and I'm gonna go see it but I don't that's got that juice it's got to run out I think

1279
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:41,120
I mean maybe this is a bummer for it for me to say but I honestly think that's how it's

1280
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:48,200
always been and how it's always going to be in some way like yeah but it's like but it's

1281
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:54,240
very difficult I'm sure for you to pitch something new where it's completely new and you're like

1282
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:59,320
this is like nothing you've seen before it's much easier to be like hey I got a new idea

1283
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:07,440
for a movie it's a mix between fast and furious yeah there's like a team of architects that

1284
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:12,360
drive cars and go around the world and it's not it's not just Indiana Jones it's a team

1285
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:16,640
this time and they're all architects and they that's like their thing it's like Monuments

1286
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:22,000
Men a little bit too and it takes place in like a period piece and then we see this being

1287
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:27,720
like a multiple picture deal so yeah we're what do you guys think Monuments Men is such

1288
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:36,960
a great movie to watch on a hotel TV yeah that's a good background hotel movie for sure

1289
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:41,360
totally bitching background I think I had Dark Knight Rises recently and I was just

1290
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:47,040
like yeah that was this is nice but yeah or gladiator gladiator was gladiator oh you love

1291
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:53,000
it yeah I love a gladiator oh there's gonna be a second one of that too but you know what

1292
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:58,400
speaking of loving things and hating things let's get into these reviews okay I believe

1293
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:05,880
you um jumping the line rockin body in time okay oh speaking of which aren't they making

1294
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:10,200
I heard they're making a beetle juice too I saw some I feel like we talked about on the

1295
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:19,120
podcast shots of um we talked about it already but yes yeah what's her face um Winona yeah

1296
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:29,440
Nona and Nona I only just met her hey I'm like I'll be on it I'm still I'm my Ray Romano

1297
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:35,320
one I'm very proud of but I can tell it's it's uh it's very cheesy but it's very funny

1298
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:42,560
to borrow Mike Amford it's very very funny um Star Wars Rise of Skywalker is sitting

1299
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:49,480
at a 52% uh from critics it has an 86 from 6% from audience the audience side let's check

1300
01:33:49,480 --> 01:33:59,280
out some negative critic reviews see what's going on here uh from Vox let's try Vox with

1301
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:05,920
a 30 Alissa Wilkinson the rise of Skywalker falls somewhere between an overstuffed fan

1302
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:11,840
service finale and a yawn fest the force awakens kicked off a new cycle in the franchise

1303
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:17,120
and the last Jedi set it up to push beyond its familiar patterns the rise of Skywalker

1304
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:27,080
for the most part runs screaming in the other direction this uh one is from movie nation

1305
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:31,600
by a certain critic called Roger Moore so I'm just gonna go for it it's from Roger Moore

1306
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:37,360
it's a 38 all right three films in and Ridley has mastered the fear scowl and stick the

1307
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:42,320
landing poses of a superhero movie she has not in any sense created a character who moves

1308
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:47,600
us with her expressions of fear or grief every time somebody she cares about dies it's dry

1309
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:55,080
tears all around wow really not a big fan of of Rey I guess um let's go to Vanity Fair

1310
01:34:55,080 --> 01:35:02,680
with a 40 Richard Lawson it's a turgid turgid rush right is a turgid don't see that word

1311
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:07,400
often it's a turgid rush but toward a conclusion I don't think anyone wanted not the people

1312
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:11,280
upset about whatever they're upset about with the last Jedi if you look at has something

1313
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,640
to do with Luke being depressed and with women having real agency in the story nor any of

1314
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:20,220
the more chill franchise devotees who just want to see something engaging really calling

1315
01:35:20,220 --> 01:35:25,360
out the people didn't like last Jedi in the middle there from them that's tied into this

1316
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:31,280
movie from time Stephanie Zachary I don't think I don't know sort of imagine anybody

1317
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:36,520
being happy with this movie even like it was just set up for a hard time for anyone to

1318
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:42,200
stick this landing from time 40s Stephanie Zachary this overloaded finale directed by

1319
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:47,800
JJ Abrams is for everybody and nobody a movie that's sometimes reasonably entertaining but

1320
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:51,800
that mostly feels reverse engineered to ensure that the feathers of the Star Wars purists

1321
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:57,800
remain unruffled in its anxiety not to offend it comes off more like fanfic than the creation

1322
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:02,400
of actual professional filmmakers a bot would be able to pull off a more surprising movie

1323
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:09,360
wow chat gpg get at it ahead of her time Stephanie already saying a bot should be writing episode

1324
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:20,160
10 maybe do like one two more from entertainment weekly Darren Franek we need a new franchise

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01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:25,920
designation for the stumbling bloodless con con conglomeration of what once was rise of

1326
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:36,200
the Skywalker isn't an ending a sequel a reboot or a remix it's a zombie in your head

1327
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:46,480
in your head I'll do one more from David Sims he gave it a 50 Oh David you don't from the

1328
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:52,000
Atlantic the rise of Skywalker is a fitting epitaph for the thrills and limits of repetition

1329
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:58,280
may it be the last episode of a saga that should have ended long ago wow yeah that's

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01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:07,040
surprising because you love fucking last Jedi oh long ago so before last Jedi I would assume

1331
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:18,760
this no you loved it forget the past destroy it if you have to whatever whatever you say

1332
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:29,200
okay so audience reviews positive let's check them out 10 out of 10 from mate usage mate

1333
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:34,840
usage I'll just say that this movie really surprised me I didn't like force awakens

1334
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:39,960
the last Jedi and Han Solo so I wasn't expecting so much from this last one but the rise of

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01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:45,040
Skywalker is a very good movie much better than I was expecting the action scenes are

1336
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:49,520
great the lightsaber fights are awesome and the characters are way more likeable in this

1337
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:59,680
movie than the previous ones yep and I interject with a really quick hot moment yeah I did

1338
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:07,280
a poll amongst my friends on slack nice yeah I'm gonna ask you this before I tell you the

1339
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:16,320
results okay James who do you think is the most woke person out of these two who do you

1340
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:30,000
think's the most woke question okay all right I'm most woke Jesus Satan I had to know today

1341
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,440
I had to know it was the thought that came into my head I don't know anything is the

1342
01:38:34,440 --> 01:38:43,960
most woke Jesus or seat I guess I'll go with Jesus I don't know man what am I walking into

1343
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:51,280
here you'd be wrong poor amongst my friends is Satan's the most woke yeah that means that's

1344
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:56,840
more fun that's more fun answer definitely it's definitely more fun answer I would have

1345
01:38:56,840 --> 01:39:02,680
had more fun saying that but I didn't then I just I even talked to people at work about

1346
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:09,280
this because I came up with a whole she's kick ass he's bad ish I was like ask chat

1347
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:23,880
GPT can you write me a Facebook post explaining why Jesus is woke but yeah anyways I was on

1348
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:29,720
I was really expecting something to do with Star Wars it surprised me it was like Kylo

1349
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:38,680
or Ray and that's great that's great man so these there's some long ones on some long

1350
01:39:38,680 --> 01:39:44,600
reviews as well from from fans but I'll peruse this one from Dylan McAllister gave it five

1351
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:49,960
stars as a definite spirit-filled youngster in his early and almost mid-20s the new light

1352
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:54,680
or rise of Skywalker as the corporate title name ought to be an experience for not just

1353
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:58,720
one but three generations and out of this world and above beyond quality strong and

1354
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:05,380
journey spiritually which is most important cultural culturally diversity worldly and

1355
01:40:05,380 --> 01:40:11,360
financially and even physically the ripple effects of one of the greatest stories present

1356
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:18,000
past or future tense are to be sensed and cherished this might be a chat GPT thing having

1357
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:22,520
actually not basked in the actual epic as it should be the longest of all nine respectively

1358
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:27,120
my personal opinion along with many who are sending in their hearts cry is biased and

1359
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:32,200
in further need of development honoring the original vision and creative genius of mr.

1360
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:38,800
George Lucas jr. regardless of how as a living legend legend in his mid-70s expanding Skywalker

1361
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:43,280
ranch and being a family man still inspiring a generation of including yours truly the

1362
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:49,000
meaningfulness of what what this is and was always truly supposed to be all about is quite

1363
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:55,740
like the twin sons of Tatooine or that stands still to this day as one if one of if not

1364
01:40:55,740 --> 01:41:02,280
of his favorite scene from the entire saga okay I can't do anymore but that's that is

1365
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:07,520
has 136 people found that review helpful so I thought I should read it and that goes to

1366
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:12,320
show if you're gonna review reviews like these other people that's the type of thing you're

1367
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:17,880
looking for all right let's see this next one from Cameron Johnson five stars as a definite

1368
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:22,840
spirit you know filled youngster and his early almost mid-20s the new light or rise of Skywalker

1369
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:33,360
as a corporate wait a minute let's go to the next one there's just someone's got a copy

1370
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:40,120
paste of this shit or like a copypasta funny the first the first two are that so I don't

1371
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:45,440
know I don't know what that is it's it's pretty amazing and it always ends in like a parentheses

1372
01:41:45,440 --> 01:41:51,320
it's so weird okay I'll do like one more sorry to fuck with everybody from Dan castroy five

1373
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:56,920
stars I was two and was going on three when a new hope came out yet watched in for the

1374
01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:00,560
first time on Showtime when I was eight years old and have been a fan of Star Wars since

1375
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:05,120
then and I thoroughly enjoyed this film my opinion it was a major improvement over the

1376
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:10,160
last Jedi and it was great seeing not only Billy Dee Williams and Ian McDermid back but

1377
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:15,240
Dennis Lawson as well sure he had a one-second cameo but it was still welcome some people

1378
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:20,320
seated near me were stunned yet in a good way when I told them he is even McGregor McGregor's

1379
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:27,400
uncle because people are like don't talk to me like don't talk to me I don't know if they

1380
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:39,520
were stunned about that they were so stunned don't bother so can't so can't wait to purchase

1381
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:45,440
it this film is my third favorite of the Skywalker saga after the Empire Strikes Back and Revenge

1382
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:51,360
of the Sith but of wow but of all the movies including Rogue One and Solo it's my fourth

1383
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:57,120
favorite after Rogue One got it John Williams scored never disappoints either I did cry

1384
01:42:57,120 --> 01:43:02,400
when Leia died which makes sense because we're we the fans lost Carrie Fisher in 2016 and

1385
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:07,600
seen Mark Hamill back as Luke ala Force Ghost made me happy because he finally gave us this

1386
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:13,280
Luke Skywalker we wanted to see in the last Jedi plus Harrison Ford back as Han Solo playing

1387
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:18,000
the memory of his son Ben Solo who is Kylo Ren and it's helps to start the path of Ben's

1388
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:28,640
redemption which Ben's redemption is well done too Ben Dempion overall a great movie

1389
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:37,280
those who didn't like it to each his own oh well great thank god it's not like hey if

1390
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:42,800
you don't like this movie that's okay you're entitled to your opinion as well that pen

1391
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:52,080
dimension arc a big Ben Dempion Ben Dempion guy yeah it's my favorite arc yeah these are

1392
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:56,320
pretty long a lot of these it's like hard to really boil this down this one has a lot of emojis

1393
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:02,640
but at the end it says I'll be watching this masterpiece along with every Star Wars film

1394
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:06,560
I fell in love with for the rest of my days and I hope you will too and in all parentheses

1395
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:11,520
grab your lightsaber climb back on board the Millennium Falcon hold on tight and most

1396
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:15,920
importantly of all may the force be with you now and forever and then a bunch of happy face

1397
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:26,240
emojis your butt yeah it also starts with om I like how that's felt that's great yeah and

1398
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:32,000
there yeah there's some people out here that are pretty vociferous about their their love for it

1399
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:38,880
but I haven't met these people it's interesting I haven't talked to a single person that liked this

1400
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:42,400
movie I guess I don't I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan maybe you guys have gathered that

1401
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:50,400
throughout this this recording but I'm not super invested in it and if it's a bad movie it's it's

1402
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:55,040
a bad movie I don't really care if it fucked with something that I really cared about I'm

1403
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,640
I'm so interested in your opinion Brandon because I think you share that too where it's like yeah

1404
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:05,040
Star Wars you know like it's it is what it is but then and then yeah we're gonna go to show your

1405
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:08,720
your opinion on the last one was interesting just in terms of filmmaking when other people are so

1406
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:17,840
hyper focused on like the what Star Wars should be I think I like where we where we come from

1407
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:24,880
in this discussion of these two movies it has been a wild ride even just within this one movie and

1408
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:30,240
then the two together is just like what a fucking head head spin you get from from trying to jump

1409
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:36,160
between these two why people found it polarized yeah honestly I'm surprised there's such a high

1410
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:39,520
score from the audience I thought this would be a little bit more middling from both sides

1411
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:46,560
to find that's the case and then to see these reviews liking it ranking it highly with their

1412
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:51,680
other Star Wars movies and thinking it's a great send-off tells me that that fan service kind of

1413
01:45:51,680 --> 01:45:58,240
worked pretty well there's a good amount of it in this movie and even if it's in their mind subtle

1414
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:03,840
at certain points other times it's very not very not subtle but it tells me those things worked

1415
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:10,560
things moved at a pace that it kept them interested in a yeah I feel like in a roller

1416
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:16,400
coaster sort of way but I don't know man anytime I stop and look around and think for a while it

1417
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:21,600
just things weren't adding up and being concluded and then even to the the like we said the Twilight

1418
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:26,880
Hour with Palpatine he's like saying okay so you got to kill me and then all the Sith become you

1419
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:32,800
but if yes one if Kylo shows up and then you guys have this whole bond thing together then by the

1420
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:37,760
way I can suck your powers into me and then you guys pass out you don't fully die but I suck your

1421
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:41,920
powers they're into me I can do lightning they can fuck with the spaceship see you see you Kylo in a

1422
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:46,880
little bit Rey can come back use one lightsaber do the classic lightsaber lightning thing but a

1423
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:50,640
two lightsaber lightning thing that's what you really want because that's going to disintegrate

1424
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:55,360
Palpatine yet again oh and then by the way Kylo and I do kind of like this part but still Kylo

1425
01:46:55,360 --> 01:47:00,080
comes back and you can revive her with her with all that is introduced so fucking quickly and all

1426
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:05,600
the Sith ghosts and the wow what a thing um but should I just run into my review do you want to

1427
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:10,800
start yeah yeah yeah you're doing it yeah go for it yeah this one was less preferable than last

1428
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:16,960
Jedi I I would prefer that one and I still had my issues with that but I were overall thought that

1429
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:23,520
one was a pretty fun Star Wars movie that I would rank pretty highly of within my Star Wars movie

1430
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:34,000
ranking if I had to do one this one had a difficult runway set up for it to land and and do a good job

1431
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:39,360
and it was befuddling as we talked about in our conversation of them introducing new things and

1432
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:46,400
having a lot thrown in into the into the final moments of of this trilogy and it almost seemed

1433
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:51,200
like a better idea to kind of have those final moments of like character characters having

1434
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:59,040
dialogue a little more dialogue heavy and talking and and getting into what needs to be done in order

1435
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:04,720
to to conquer things instead it was very much like MacGuffin go try to get it that didn't work out

1436
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,680
so come up with new plan and sometimes when they were sitting there talking about their plans I'm

1437
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:11,600
like I would be the guy in the back being like wait what do we do I have a question I didn't

1438
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:16,800
fully follow that oh we're going okay we're going okay I don't know what my job is and they just go

1439
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:28,960
and it didn't leave me like wanting to hang on to every narrative aspect but just enjoy the ride

1440
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:33,920
and just enjoy the ride and and see what there is to see on these different planets and stuff and

1441
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:38,160
that's not really what you want for a third one you want to be invested in the final moments of

1442
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:43,200
these characters that have been built up for two movies and what their arc is going to be

1443
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:52,240
is going to be ending on and all of those things yeah are most important at the end and it is real

1444
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:56,960
failure of not only this movie but the entire trilogy as much as like yeah I mean like last

1445
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:05,920
jedi is like its own thing and even force awakens is fine as well for what it is but in terms of the

1446
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:13,440
the trilogy it is truly like mind-blowing that this thing worked out the way it did after Disney

1447
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:20,000
acquires Star Wars and they just almost seem like they're just counting their eggs before they hatch

1448
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:27,120
or something in terms of writing a cohesive story to this new property that they have and that is

1449
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:33,680
upsetting that it's not handled better when that was such a big big fucking deal and they've done

1450
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:41,680
other other things like tv shows and rogue one that ain't bad but this this large sort of saga

1451
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:46,960
that they wanted to not only have its its own thing but conclude the skywalker thing and do

1452
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:52,240
all this stuff it a lot of it rang hollow especially in this movie every moment they wanted me to feel

1453
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:58,320
something in this movie I was just like snooze like I it did not hit and even the final thing

1454
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:03,520
about her being a skywalker I don't know it just didn't didn't mean anything to me the title

1455
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:08,240
doesn't mean anything to me and I don't know I don't I made this point to you before I feel like

1456
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:16,080
in I like in a conversation where like I almost wanted her to say Palpatine yeah for her to like

1457
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:23,280
own that name and repurpose it for like no that's gonna I'm gonna be such a good person that I'm

1458
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:27,920
going to change what that means maybe but then I thought about it some more I'm like that'd be

1459
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:34,000
funny if it's like if you did that scene again it's like ray who Hitler winstone

1460
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:37,680
ray hitler

1461
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:45,360
I'm gonna repurpose it I'm gonna make it again it's like I don't know that's like kind of like

1462
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,840
I'm gonna make it good that's gonna be a tough one to

1463
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:56,160
and I mean maybe maybe if there was a young hitler that saved save the world save the

1464
01:50:56,160 --> 01:51:00,960
university when everyone told that story but there was something that like didn't really hit for me

1465
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:07,600
I know she saw their ghosts and they raised her in their own way but I like the idea of of owning

1466
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:17,680
your name even even as weird as it as it may be and um yeah a lot of missed signals and when I

1467
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:22,560
I should be feeling things I didn't and was annoyed when like oh Chewie here's your medal

1468
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:28,880
oh Lando's got a daughter um doesn't mean anything to me and I'd rather have something more

1469
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:39,200
new and interesting uh to to watch so this one will be it's gonna be a 38 like it was like 30 40

1470
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:47,520
40 range I don't know maybe like 40 40 something if I was if I was being a little nicer but it uh

1471
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:53,920
I don't want to like I don't know if I'll ever go back into this trilogy really to to get anything

1472
01:51:53,920 --> 01:52:01,120
out of I liked my reviewing of of last Jedi overall uh this one I could have just done without and

1473
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:07,600
just not finished it because it just it doesn't have enough good stuff in it to um warrant a

1474
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:16,080
warrant a good score or multiple rewatches because the lore it sets up is uh convoluted

1475
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:24,560
reverse engineered and not meaningful to this everything it's set up in the past um and it

1476
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:30,400
sucks when some of that stuff is cool like force healing and and shit when it just uh isn't used

1477
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:35,760
in in it or like in an interesting way within the context of of the plot and I wish that was

1478
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:40,240
that was better and it has been done better with shows and everything Star Wars stuff has been

1479
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:46,720
better so I know there's better stuff out there so this doesn't deserve uh a good score because it's

1480
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:51,440
has more money and it should and it has everything and it's disposable disposal and it's like

1481
01:52:52,400 --> 01:53:00,880
embarrassing yeah hey shame shame there's a whole trilogy I don't know that almost do I watch the

1482
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:09,600
prequels or this one that's hard but uh yeah probably this one wow um I don't know so the

1483
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:16,160
first time that I saw this movie I actually enjoyed it because coming off of last Jedi this movie was

1484
01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:21,040
so much more of a Star Wars movie to me when I first saw it but upon rewatching it again

1485
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:30,080
it's just so incredibly frustrating how many um things it introduces and unsatisfyingly

1486
01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:42,640
concludes or introduces and never concludes and it is also just epitomizes the um frantic unstructured

1487
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:49,840
unplanned nature of the whole series and so upon a rewatch it really really hit me how much this

1488
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:58,400
movie is not a good movie in what it needs to be and what I mean by that is this is the conclusion

1489
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:08,000
of a trilogy and it concludes it very poorly in my mind and so yeah I just it's it's just kind of a

1490
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:13,120
funny exercise which is what this is always is to a degree which is why I love it so much about doing

1491
01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:18,560
this podcast with you it's like you know I went into last Jedi not having seen rise of Skywalker

1492
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:23,600
in a while and having that kind of like in the back of my mind of like oh I think I like rise of

1493
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:35,040
Skywalker more than I like last Jedi because um because it was more like a Star Wars movie that

1494
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:40,800
wanted because that was I think kind of my prevailing consensus on the last Jedi is is that

1495
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:46,880
that was that was trying to do more that was trying to add or be something different than a

1496
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:54,000
Star Wars movie but within the context of a Star Wars movie and um but yeah again upon rewatching

1497
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:59,520
this god this movie sucks there's a lot of things that are really shitty about it um that's just

1498
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:05,040
what epitomizes it to me uh like everything that's going on in this is that by almost pure

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happenstance Rey is at a place on the Endor system or whatever and pulls out the the fucking do dad

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sword thing that just gets introduced immediately points to a location which would be which is

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insane to think about that a in happenstance you would be able to use this cipher on a on a

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location like that it's just so fucking stupid I can't get over it and so I actually end up liking

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this movie less than last Jedi and would like to give some kind of condolences to last Jedi that I

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didn't give it on the previous pod because at least with the last Jedi it kind of contains itself

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in its own thing whether or not that's what I wanted out of a Star Wars movie that's kind of

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the argument that I made but man this just movie presents a bunch of stuff that it doesn't give a

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shit about necessarily like really satisfyingly concluding and this is the third in a trilogy and

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that's fucked off to do that so um I'm at the point right now where yeah I would probably put

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this at a 38 38 to 38 as well yeah oh yeah I would magnetize we would be magnetized on this is yeah

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this is I was gonna do 40 I was like nah a little bit lower like 30 this movie drove me insane like

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again like I said there were two times I had to pause the movie go out either have a cigarette or

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go for a walk and just kind of think about what's going on and being like fuck this movie is not

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good in just a multitude of ways um and yeah so I'm gonna I'm gonna be uh yeah magnetized with you

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on this and say a 38 excellent yeah it's I kind of did the same thing took some breaks and was just

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rolling my eyes and yelling at the screens sort of stuff and it's just not not what you should

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want in a movie uh we'll see what JJ brings us next time if he comes comes by again on the podcast

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um for for now I will thank you Brandini for a lovely conversation about a poopy move and uh

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move on to announce our next feature that we will be discussing next time uh will be a new

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uh movie it is part of a saga as well a 10 piece if you will it is fast 10 fast x 2023

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it is the 10th movie in a series even more than star wars skywalker saga we went from a nine to

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a 10 we know what we're doing here uh it's a 56 from critics an 84 from audience very similar

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to rise of skywalker in terms of scores so we'll see how that tracks where we where we lie on uh

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on this polarization um but make sure you watch one through nine before next time and then uh

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finish off with 10 and you'll be ready to go if not then just throw it on and see what happens

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should be a fun action movie I haven't seen it but uh we'll uh we'll check it out writer Justin Lin

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writer Justin Lin he did malignant we like that one um I think that's gonna do it for us here

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if you want to reach us anywhere we're streaming this live on twitch.tv slash polarized pod

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uh we're also on twitter.com slash polarized pod as well you can send us a line at uh polarized

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the pod at gmail.com uh brandini and I are about to record our next episode for our other podcast

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prod pod that's prod pod the pod about prods that's music producers um music prods and we have

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covered a few it's a relatively new podcast we've we've done some diplo some barry gordy of motown

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some Todd Rundgren we are covering Max Martin the acclaimed Swedish deep deep into Martin territory

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I actually was like thinking about it the other day like yesterday specifically about how I people

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were telling me about new records and shit that have come out that I'm like I haven't gotten out

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on new records because I've just been I love that deep in the Martin Martin verse. Fuck yeah and

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that's that's affected how I've listened to music as well and uh and thought about music and I would

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highly recommend you guys check us out because it's uh been really interesting yeah seeing that

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perspective of tracking a producer down the line of their career and their influence on artists

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culture fans the world at large I mean Max Martin has done it all uh look all he's just incredible

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look him up big big deal uh and we can't wait to talk about him we've we've enjoyed our time here

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so much uh Brandini anything else to to share with the people uh thank you for listening like

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James said uh rating us reviewing us really oh yes always um yeah please do if you if you like it

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hit the buttons uh send send the opinions um write the reviews please yeah we've uh this has

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been great too I also want to say that this is actually oh god this is a good episode these

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these ones have been in the in the makings for a while I feel like I've really since the beginning

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of this podcast thought about doing like waiting for that last jedi episode as as with rise of

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skywalker I was wasn't even fully aware of that one being polarizing because people were kind of

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just done with it at that point I've you know or just kind of like yeah who knows what's going to

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happen but last yet I was such a deal man that was that was such a big deal when that came out

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people were having all sorts of opinions all over the place and it's cool to come come back after

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the fact we're looking at the trilogy as a whole I feel like even you know we have our opinions and

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everything but it's you feel like you can get a better feel for me as as a whole little bit

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time removed seen better star wars things and uh I really enjoy our discussion and it was exactly

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what this podcast is trying to do uh is is talk about those things and if yeah if you have any

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guys have any other ideas for polarizing movies too we'd really appreciate it send it to polarize

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the pod at gmail.com that'll do it for us now somehow we will return

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bye