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This is the Reading Instruction Show. I'm your host as always, Dr. Andy Johnson.

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In this podcast, I examine Ken Goodman, Penguins, the Psycholinguistic

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Guessing Game, Emily Hanford, American Public Media, some flawed ideas about

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reading instruction, and some flawed ideas about flawed ideas. So let's get to

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it. The guessing thing, the Psycholinguistic Guessing Game. In 1967,

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Ken Goodman published an article in Reading Research Quarterly with the

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title, Reading Full Colon, A Psycholinguistic Guessing Game. Now, eventually, a

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herd of angry penguins came along. They would read just the title of this

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article, and obviously they never read the article or any other of Ken

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Goodman's work. From this title, they selected two words to project onto, kind

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of like a Rorschach ink block test. The two words were reading and guessing. The

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Rorschach response from this herd of angry penguins, flapping their wings and

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swacking about for the last 55 years, has been that whole language teachers

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teach students to guess at words. 55 years. You'd think that in 55 years since

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the publication of this article, that these penguins might actually take the

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time to read the article. And when I say read, I don't mean just sound out the

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words. Don't do any decoding, but actually read the article. That is, use the text to

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create meaning with this article. Check for understanding along the way. If this

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is done, these penguins would soon be disabused of the whole language guessing

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at words notion. I would invite the angry penguins who think Ken Goodman is the

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reading anti-Christ to actually read his work. What exactly is it that he writes

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about with which you disagree? Not what you think he wrote, not what someone else

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said he wrote, but what exactly is it that he got wrong? Now, nobody agrees 100%

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with anybody and everybody's thinking evolves over time as more information is

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encountered. What he wrote in 1967 might be a little different than his later

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work 30 plus years later, but he got a lot of things right. So let's look at some

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of the basics. Some of the basics that Kenneth Goodman pointed out early on

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that have been subsequently reified by research in psycholinguistics, neuroscience,

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cognitive science, eye of movement and a miscue analysis and reading instruction.

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Here are six things we know based on Kenneth Goodman's work. Number one, humans

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use the information in their head to make sense of what's on the page during the

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act of reading. What's in their head? Neuroimaging shows that almost 10 times

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more information flows from the cortex down to the thalamus during reading than

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from the page to the thalamus and up to the cortex. Information is flowing down

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more so than is flowing up. Number two, we don't attend to every word as we are

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reading. Eye movement research shows that expert readers ignore about 40% of the

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words on the page. We skip right over them. Instead, our brain is filling in the

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blanks based on semantic, syntactic and phonological clues. We only think we're

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processing each individual word. Number three, expert readers use minimal

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letter clues to recognize words. Recognizing words is different from

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identifying words. Recognizing words is you see a word in print and you

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automatically know what it is. Identifying words means that you see a word in

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print. It's in your lexicon or the dictionary in your head. You don't

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automatically recognize it so you need to use some strategy to identify it.

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There's four word identification strategies. Analogy, you look for parts

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that you recognize. Morphemic analysis, prefix, suffix and words.

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Semantic clues, what word makes sense within the sentence and phonics or

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phonological clues. These are four strategies that we use. Number four,

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during reading our eyes don't move in a straight line from left to right. We

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skip over words. These skips are called saccades. We stop and focus on some words.

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The focus points are called fixations and we often counter words or out of order

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or go back. These going back things are called regressions. When we read eye

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movement research shows that our eyes flitter about like hummingbirds. Five,

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expert readers often insert words that aren't on the page but are semantically

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and syntactically correct. That is, we often use words that aren't on the page

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but make sense within the sentence. This tells us that expert readers aren't

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just sounding out words during reading. We're creating meaning with print.

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Expert readers don't attend to surface structure of sentences as much as deep

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structure or meaning. Just like when you're listening, you aren't attending to

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the individual phonemes. You're hearing phrases and ideas, deep structure during

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reading and during listening. Your brain is making sense and it's making a

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series of micro predictions while simultaneously using metacognition to

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ensure that what is being read or listened to makes sense. And the sixth idea,

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our brain has a good sense of what the next word is as we're reading before. We

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encounter it based on a lot of different types of data. This would be the

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information found within the sentence and paragraph. This is semantic

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information, the knowledge the reader has about the thing, background knowledge,

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grammar in word order clues, this is syntax, and letter clues. This multi-data

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hot dish enables our brain to operate quickly and efficiently during reading.

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However, if we had to move from left to right using only letter clues and attending

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to each and every letter and word in a linear progression, we would overwhelm

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our short-term memory. We'd remember very little of what we read and we'd have

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trouble reading more than 20 words a minute. Now, I wish Kenneth Goodman would

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not have used the phrase psycholinguistic guessing game. Instead, I wish he would

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have used the frayed psycholinguistic filly in the blanks with multiple kinds

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of data before encountering the word game. But this last one doesn't roll off the

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tongue as easily as psycholinguistic guessing game. Yes, I wish he would have

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used a different phrase back in 1967, but he had no idea back then that hordes of

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ill-informed penguins would be so easily whipped into a frenzy by politicians

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and profiteers. Now, let's look at Emily Hanford, American public media, and some

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flawed ideas about reading instruction. Emily Hanford of American public media

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did a whole series about what she determined to be the flawed ideas being

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used to teach millions of children to read, millions of children to read.

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Flawed ideas, she called them. Ideas like balance literacy and whole language.

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Imagine that. She determined them to be flawed. Now, I'm sure Emily Hanford is a

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wonderful person and a wonderful reporter. I'm sure she creates some very

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fascinating radio documentaries. If I were putting together a radio documentary,

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she'd be on the top of my list of experts with whom I might consult. But

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for getting accurate information related to reading instruction, she's quite a

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bit further down the list. To be truthful, she's not even on the list. In fact, she

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doesn't even know there is a list. Now, here's four things I want to tell you

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about radio commentators and documentarians. First, radio commentators

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and documentarians can say whatever they want as long as they're making good

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radio. They don't have to cite their sources. They don't have to make sure

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they're getting an accurate picture. They're making good radio. They can use

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anecdotal evidence and personal accounts to generalize about things. As long as

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it's good radio, nobody seems to care. Anecdotal evidence and first person

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accounts are very powerful because we identify with the individual people and

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their stories. This is very powerful, but it's not very accurate. This is

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sometimes called my grandpa data. My grandpa smoked a pack of cigarettes and

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lived to be a hundred. My grandpa did X. Therefore, X is good for all of

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humanity or the epitome of human evolution argument. Back in the day, I

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learned to read using X. Therefore, since I am the epitome of human evolution, X

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must be good. The second idea, radio commentators and

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documentarians can ignore anything that doesn't conform to the picture they're

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trying to create. After all, they're making good radio. So they start with a

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belief, then go out and look only for data that reinforces that belief. Now, if

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there's a pesky bit of data that might messy up the picture, they can skip right

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over it. Who cares? They're making good radio. They can ignore anything they want

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to and include only what they want to so that they're able to create the picture

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they want to create. Again, not very accurate, but they're making good radio.

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The third thing about radio commentators and documentarians is that

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there's no blind peer review. There's no expert looking at their work and

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deciding if it's accurate or not. Nobody reviews the methodology behind their

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work, the methodology used to collect the data and analyze the data. Oh, sure, there

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might be station managers and producers and such, but they're radio experts not

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reading instruction experts. And fourth, if there are experts related to the topic,

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the radio commentators and documentarians get to select the experts.

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Non-experts get to determine who the experts are. They get to put the dots on

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the dot-to-dot picture they're creating. They then connect their dots, ignore a

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whole bunch of other dots and proclaim it to be an accurate picture of reality

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when in reality it's nothing but a warp dot-to-dot picture with a lot of missing

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dots. Now, of course, when I contacted American public media after hearing

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Emily Hanford's documentary, I wanted to describe how incredibly inaccurate the

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information was that was presented. And I told them how I would be willing to

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provide an accurate, more some accurate information. But I was shooed away, shoo,

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they said. We talked to experts, they said. Go away, you pesky little man you. So, the

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non-experts got to decide who was an expert. Talking to their experts made the

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non-experts magically become experts. Poof, just like that. However, when Emily

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Hanford did her expert shopping, she clearly looked for experts who agreed

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with the picture she was trying to create. Excluding views and voices does not

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give you an accurate picture of reality. Now, let's look at this podcast. Emily

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Hanford produces a podcast. But first, Emily Hanford has a degree in English

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from Amherst College, a small private liberal arts college. Not in education,

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but English. And there's nothing wrong with that. She's now a senior correspondent

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and producer for APM, American Public Media. She also produces a podcast called

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Educate. It's about education and such. And there are four things I want to tell

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you about her podcast. First, it gets many more listeners than my podcast.

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Therefore, it must be better than mine. I don't have writers, producers, directors,

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researchers, sound engineers and such. The second thing, she must know a lot more

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about reading instruction than I do. After all, she's on the radio and I'm not.

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Third, she'll never have me on her podcast as a guest. If she does, she'll cut and

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paste what I say out of context. So I'll sound like a punch-drunk walrus. By the

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way, I'm hoping she hears this and does have me on as a guest. And the fourth

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thing, she has much better bumper music than I do. Bumper music is the intro music.

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It's the bumper between one thing and the next. Hers is much better than mine

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because I don't have any. I haven't had the time to figure out how to do this with

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my podcast yet. I've been too busy doing meaningless stuff like scholarly work

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related to reading instruction. So who should you believe? Emily Hanford has

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released three documentaries investigating what she describes as

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problematic approaches to reading instruction. Many are inclined to believe

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her because after all, she is a senior correspondent and producer. On a LinkedIn

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page, this is what she writes about herself and I quote, I've been working in

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public media for more than two decades as a reporter, producer, editor, news director,

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and program host. I've been at American public media since 2008 where I produce

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education documentaries that air on public radio stations nationwide and

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can also be heard on the Educate Podcast. I've written and produced for many

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publications including NPR, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times,

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Washington Monthly, MindShift, and PBS NewsHour. My work has won numerous

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honors including a DuPont Columbia Award, a Casey Medal, and awards from the

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Education Writers Association and the Associated Press. In 2017, I won the

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Excellence in Media Reporting on Education Research Award from the

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American Educational Research Associations. I am a frequent speaker and

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moderator and host of the Ways and Means Podcast. I graduated from Amherst

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College and lived in the Washington DC area. Unquote. Wow, very impressive, no? So

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who should I believe about reading instruction? One radio reporter investigating

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something that is clearly outside her area of expertise, using cherry-picked

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data, including anecdotal evidence and ignoring data and experts that have

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views that do not align with her preconceived perceptions. Should I believe

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her? Or an organization, let's say like the International Literacy Association.

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The International Literacy Association has come to a much different conclusion

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than Emily Hanford. The International Literacy Association is comprised of

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thousands of expert teachers, researchers, and scholars who've been

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investigating reading instruction and publishing their findings in blind, peer

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reviewed journals for over 65 years. Emily is one person, an English major,

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investigating something outside her area of expertise using dubious sources, but

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she has won the DuPont Columbia Award. Or should I believe the International

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Literacy Association, which is comprised of thousands of experts,

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investigating things within their area of expertise, using a variety of research

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methods, and publishing their findings in peer reviewed journals for over 65

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years. Which source should I believe? That's a tough one. But since Emily is

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good radio, this is the source that will reach parents and lawmakers. After all,

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all you have to do is listen to Emily. With the International Literacy

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Association, you actually have to read things. You have to think about things.

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With radio documentaries, all the thinking is done for you. In the meantime,

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the only things saidlier than Emily Hanford's documentaries are those

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people who cite Emily Hanford's documentaries as if they mean something.

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Now, I'm sure Emily Hanford made a name for herself, which I guess is the

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important thing here. I'm sure her documentary series about flawed reading

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instruction ideas has moved her career forward. Be it at the expense of children

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struggling to learn to read, but at least she got her three-part documentary

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series on NPR, which is the important thing. This radio documentary, even though

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it was filled with mistruths, untruths, semi-truths, and distorted information,

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was a good career for her. So good for you, Emily Hanford. Now, I don't mean to be

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dumping all over Emily Hanford. I know she's a very competent person. I'm sure

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she's a very good person. I imagine she wakes up every day and says to herself,

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look at you, Emily. Look at all the good things you've done for reading instruction

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and for children. However, documentaries like Emily Hanford's do more to

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misinform the public and promote bad reading instruction. As a result of

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Emily Hanford, millions of dollars and countless hours are spent on programs and

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curriculum that focus on teaching a series of meaningless low-level reading

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skills and sub skills. Time and money could instead be spent on things that

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would actually help children learn to read, like books, like good teachers, and

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good professional development. This has been the Reading Instruction Show. I'm

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your host, an actual reading expert, Dr. Andy Johnson.

