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This is The Reading Instruction Show. I am your

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host, Dr. Andy Johnson. Topic of today's podcast,

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the importance of academic journals, full colon.

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John Stossel does not know what they are. Now,

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there's seven big ideas I want you to take from

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this two -part series. One, having a body of

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knowledge is important in any field. Two, disagreement.

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followed by academic discourse enables a field

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to evolve. Three, silencing opposing views results

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in cognitive inbreeding. Four, academic journals

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are an essential item for disseminating new knowledge

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and for academic discourse within a field. Five,

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the process used to get scholarly articles published

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in an academic journal is much higher than that

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used to get an article published in a newspaper

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or magazine. Six, having a body of knowledge

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that is shallow and disjointed is not optimal

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for academic discourse or TV interviews. And

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seven, John Stossel does not know what an academic

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journal is. So to review, I was invited out to

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New York City so that John Stossel could, quote,

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get my take, unquote, on whole word reading instruction.

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But John Stossel did not really want my take

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on whole word reading instruction. He didn't

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really want my take on anything. John Stossel

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wanted good TV. And I understood this before

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I flew out for the interview. I was hoping it

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would give me something to write about, and I

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thought it might be a good example of what happens

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when journalists insert themselves into academic

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conversations. And I wasn't disappointed. So

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let's look at the importance of knowledge. Most

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would agree that knowledge is a good thing. Knowledge.

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enables you to evaluate data, put information

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in relevant contexts, and understand phenomena.

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In any field or endeavor, having more of it is

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a good thing, and having less of it is not a

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good thing. And having less of it while thinking

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you have more of it is a dangerous thing. Interactive

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theories of reading. According to interactive

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theories of reading, the knowledge in our heads

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interacts with the information on the page to

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create meaning. Now I'm not trying to brag here,

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but I've got some knowledge in my head. I earned

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a PhD from a prestigious university in literacy

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instruction. This, combined with 30 years of

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reading academic books and journal articles,

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doing scholarly work, writing books and articles,

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tutoring struggling readers, reviewing articles

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for academic journals, and teaching graduate

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and undergraduate courses, has enabled me to

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accumulate quite a bit of knowledge in my head

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related to literacy instruction. And again, I'm

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not trying to brag. Those are just the facts.

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Putting knowledge in my head and disseminating

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it is what I do for a living. The state of Minnesota

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pays me to do this. I'm a professor of literacy

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instruction at Minnesota State University. The

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knowledge in my head enables me to easily read

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and understand an academic journal like Reading

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Research Quarterly. This knowledge in my head

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enables me to critically analyze and evaluate

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the articles. I know what information is pertinent,

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I recognize the research cited, and I can put

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things in a greater context. But most important

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is that the knowledge in my head helps me understand

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what I'm reading. But when this same head tries

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to read an article in an academic journal like

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the Journal of Accounting, Auditing, and Finance,

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there's very little knowledge to help me create

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meaning with print. Same brain. But it takes

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me far longer to read an article. And I understand

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very little of what I've read. And I'm not able

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to evaluate the information. And other than the

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quality of writing, I wouldn't know a good article

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from a bad one. Same head, different kinds of

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knowledge. Having a body of knowledge is important.

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Now, I'm sure John Stossel has a lot of knowledge

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in his head. However, not much of it is related

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to reading instruction. And this was obvious

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from the first email. And it became abundantly

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clear at several points during the interview

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that he knew little about educational research,

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educational testing, or academic journals. And

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why is this relevant? Well, it's difficult to

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have a substantive interview, much less give

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your take on things, when the other party doesn't

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understand the questions that they're asking

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or the answers that you're providing. Also, the

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interview doesn't go too far when one is constantly

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having to correct mistaken assumptions upon which

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questions are asked. But the interview becomes

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a clown show when the unstated purpose of the

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interview is for the person with a little knowledge

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to disbelieve things put forth by the person

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with much knowledge. Now I know I'm not the brightest

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turnip in the carrot patch, but even a dull turnip

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like me knows what an academic journal is. I

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know their contributions to academic discourse,

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their necessity in research and the scientific

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processes, and their importance in addressing

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the salient and evolving issues in any field.

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I know these things. People in the scientific

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and scholarly communities know these things,

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and most people in the field of literacy instruction

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know these things. John Stossel does not know

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these things. So let's talk about dissemination,

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disagreement, and devolution. Academic journals

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are an important source of knowledge dissemination

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within any academic field. They're also a place

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where experts within a field disagree. Here,

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disagreeing ideas are put forth and supported

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by reason and research, and this is called academic

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discourse. Disagreement. followed by academic

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discourse is essential for the evolution of any

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field. It avoids the inbreeding of ideas that

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occur when opposing ideas are silenced. Cognitive

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inbreeding has led to the knowledge -based mutations

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and the conceptual deformities we see in groups

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like the Reading League. And when academic discourse

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is replaced by journalism, these mutations and

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deformities become magnified. Now it's important

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that people disagree. For me, being questioned

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or challenged invites me to review research,

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to reflect, and either reify or refize my thinking.

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And if you read my books, You will notice slight

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changes in my thinking as I encounter new information

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and as I was exposed to new ideas. To stay the

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same is to devolve. To change is to evolve. And

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it is only devolutionists, devolutionists such

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as Louisa Motes, Emily Hanford, and all the Hanford

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wannabes who think reading instruction is a settled

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science. It's not. John Stossel doesn't know

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this. And also he doesn't know what an academic

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journal is. So let's take a look at academic

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journals and journalists. Academic journals and

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journalists both have the word journal in them.

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But that's largely where the similarities end.

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Journalists are trained to ask questions and

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write down what people tell them. That's what

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they do. That's how they get their story. But

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their story is their interpretation of reality

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based on the interpretations of reality of the

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people who told them things. Now, my understanding

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of journalism comes from an intro to journalism

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class taken 40 years ago, and the movie All the

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President's Men starring Dustin Hoffman and Robert

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Redford. Here, the bar for getting a story published

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was two sources. According to the movie, it was

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only after Woodward and Bernstein had secured

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two sources that the Washington Post could run

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the Watergate story. Now, scholars have a slightly

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higher bar when publishing in an academic journal

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besides citing multiple sources throughout an

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article. Articles published in academic journals

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must first make it through a blind peer review.

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It's important to understand this process. So

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this is how blind peer review works. Once a study

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has been conducted or a theoretical article written,

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the authors send it off to an academic journal

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to be considered for publication. When the article

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is first received, the editor of the journal

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considers the alignment of the article with the

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academic standards within the field and the mission

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of the journal. The editor then selects reviewers

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with expertise related to the topic of the article

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to review it. These reviewers evaluate the article

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without knowing who wrote it, hence the term

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blind peer review. And the authors don't know

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who the reviewers are. For research articles,

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reviewers consider such thing as the clarity

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of the research question, the theoretical context

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in which the research question was asked, the

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adequacy of the methodology, the analysis of

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the data, the interpretation of the data, the

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validity of the conclusions, and the quality

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of the writing. For theoretical articles, reviewers

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consider such things as the alignment to research

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-based theory, the appropriate use of reason

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and research to support the thesis or claim,

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the reflection of a body of established knowledge

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within the field, and the quality of the writing.

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Reviewers then have four options. One, recommended

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for publication. Two, recommended for publication

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with revisions. 3. Suggest specific reservations

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be made and that it be resubmitted for consideration,

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or 4. Recommend the article be rejected. Blind

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peer review simply denotes a process. And the

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quality of this process varies. Reviewers and

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editors of highly prestigious academic journals

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use a process that's rigorous and very selective.

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These journals have low acceptance rates and

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tend to have considerable influence on the field.

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Other journals have a less rigorous review process

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and higher acceptance rates. However, all are

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still considered to be peer -reviewed journals.

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Once published, the article is examined by researchers,

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scholars, and practitioners within the field.

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Here it is further analyzed, evaluated, critiqued,

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debated, and embraced or rejected. This often

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leads to new studies conducted and new academic

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articles written to either support or denounce

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the initial study or article. These are followed

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by others, which are followed by others, and

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the cycle of academic life continues. And, by

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the way, if reading instruction really were a

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settled science, as Louisa Mote says it is, there

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would be no need for further research. It's all

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settled. A filter. Blind peer review is a form

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of a filter. to ensure that the knowledge we

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get is somewhat valid, somewhat accurate, and

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somewhat untainted by human subjectivity. Somewhat.

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It's not a perfect process, but it is a process,

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and it's used with academic journals. Journalists

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like Emily Hanford, Sarah Schwartz, and John

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Stossel don't have a process. There's no filter.

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They just say things or write things. And because

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they have a larger platform than most scholars,

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their voices are heard by the public and given

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more credence. Now I want to be very clear on

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my position here. Journalists and a free press

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are essential. in the functioning of a free and

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open democracy. I'm not one of those who cry

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fake news every time there's a story I don't

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like. But journalists have inserted themselves

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into our academic conversations about reading

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instruction. And I welcome them, but they don't

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get a free pass on ignorance. Now, I'm one of

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the founders and one of the managing editors

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of an academic journal called Equity and Social

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Justice in Education, and I'm very proud of our

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work. At the same time, I realize that words

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like equity and social justice are shark chump

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to libertarians and conservatives like John Stossel.

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These words are perceived as a threat somehow.

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Their bodies go into fight or flight mode when

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threatened, mostly fight, and blood is shunted

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away from their frontal lobes to their survival

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organs. They're less able to think clearly as

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they work themselves into a feeding frenzy. Thus,

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I was not surprised when during my interview

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with John Stossel, John Stossel referenced an

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article that was published in this journal titled

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Profit, Power, and Pedagogy, The Minnesota Read

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Act by Drake Burke. Burke's article is a solid

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piece of scholarly writing. Yes, it's complex

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and lexically dense but well worth the read.

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It was received very positively by the reviewers

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and it reflected the mission goal and goals of

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the journal. The editors selected it for publication

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and I strongly recommend that you read it. In

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the article, Burke used research and reason to

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support a strong case for the general theses

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and supporting arguments in that article. And

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this was done using 13 pages, 64 citations, and

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7 ,774 words. In our interview, John Stossel

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picked one sentence from this article. And he

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asked me if I supported that sentence. But it

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wasn't asked as a question. It was asked to be

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a challenge. The real question behind the question

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was this. How can you support this horrible thing

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you bad person knew? And why do you hate America?

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And when did you last kick a puppy? This, I guess,

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was to be the gotcha moment. And you can't blame

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John Stossel. This is what journalists do. You

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can't ask a skunk not to stink. Of course, the

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sentence was not representative of the article.

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It was pulled out of context and used to create

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a misperception. It would be like the editor

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of the book that this is taken from to ask that

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editor, do you support the idea that skunks don't

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stink? This is a common practice used to craft

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a narrative to create stories and sadly today

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this practice is not limited to journalists.

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Well -known scholars such as Louisa Moats and

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Claude Goldenberg have done similar things. The

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only reason I know this is because I've checked

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the sources they've cited. When this occurs,

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their scholarship becomes journal -ship with

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big words and long sentences. And as stated previously,

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the blind peer review process isn't perfect.

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But back to the interview. During the interview,

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it was clear that John Stossel had not read the

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article. It was also clear that John Stossel

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didn't know what an academic journal was. Why

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else would he ask an editor of an academic journal

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if they supported something that somebody else

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wrote? An academic journal is not a magazine,

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a newspaper, a cable TV show, a podcast, or publication

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like Education Week. Managing editors of academic

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journals don't silence the voices of people whose

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views don't align with their own. Managing editors

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of academic journals don't craft narratives to

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express their ideas or promote articles to advocate

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their views. A managing editor of an academic

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journal is like a referee making sure certain

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standards are adhered to and guidelines are followed.

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And a managing editor of an academic journal

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welcomes opposing ideas if a. the articles are

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well written b. they represent standards of scholarship

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and academic discourse and c. they go through

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a blind peer review. process. Since journalists

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have inserted themselves into the conversation,

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I want to make sure that you understand the difference

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between scholars and journalists. And of course,

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I make generalizations here, and I'm going to

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name a few, but if it walks like a clown and

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quacks like a clown, It is a clown. Scholars,

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their work is submitted to blind peer review

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for publishing. Journalists, they just write

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stuff. Scholars have extensive background knowledge

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about what they write. Journalists, they write

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what people tell them. Scholars understand the

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basic elements of science in determining causality.

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Journalists, randomly assign causality. Scholars

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know that correlation does not imply causation.

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Journalists assume that if two things occur together,

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one must have caused the other to occur. Scholars

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will generalize to larger populations only if

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the sample size is similar and ample. Journalists

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will generalize to larger populations based on

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a sample size of one or two. Scholars use anecdotal

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evidence and experience to illustrate research.

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And journalists will use anecdotal evidence and

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experience as research. These are just some of

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the difference. Final word. Seven ideas. Having

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a body of knowledge is important in any field.

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Two, disagreements followed by academic discourse

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enables a field to evolve. Three, silencing opposing

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views results in cognitive inbreeding. Four,

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academic journals are an essential element for

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disseminating new knowledge and for academic

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discourse within a field. Five, The process used

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to get scholarly articles published in an academic

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journal is much higher than that used to get

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an article published in a newspaper or magazine.

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Six, having a body of knowledge that is shallow

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and disjointed is not optimal for academic discussions

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or TV interviews. And seven, John Stossel does

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not know what an academic journal is. This has

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been The Reading Instruction Show. I am your

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host, Dr. Andy Johnson.
