1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 All right, we have started. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,640 This is the reading instruction show. 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,600 I'm your host as always, Dr. Andy Johnson. 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,360 And today I have a very, very special guest, 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,720 Rhonda Schlumball. 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:16,840 Did I get that? 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:17,640 You did. 8 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,360 Thank you. 9 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,480 And she is a real life teacher, 10 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,720 not a fake one, from Alaska. 11 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,960 So Rhonda, you're telling me today is your first day back. 12 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,960 This is my 33rd year in education, 13 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,960 my 26th at the school that I'm at. 14 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,960 And what grade are you teaching? 15 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,960 Second and third combination. 16 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:40,960 Okay. 17 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:47,960 I have about 10 second graders and about 12 third graders. 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:48,960 Oh my. 19 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,960 So when you're reading, how do you differentiate when you have such a 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,960 wide variety? 21 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,960 Well, that's partly why I got a master's in reading in 2003. 22 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:06,960 But I, I think actually reading and writing is easier to differentiate 23 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:07,960 than math. 24 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:13,960 And so actually we have a hard time teaching math because the levels are so 25 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:19,960 specific, but reading, because teachers are used to having levels, 26 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:22,960 you know, kids coming in low and low. 27 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:24,960 And high and middle. 28 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:29,960 To me, it's easier to combine them and then meet kids where they're at by 29 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:30,960 a grouping. 30 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:33,960 Lots of whole class. 31 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:34,960 Instruction. 32 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:38,960 I like to use making words for teaching phonics because it'll hit those 33 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:41,960 lower skills in the beginning of the lesson for those kids that are still 34 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:43,960 learning like consonant vowel consonants. 35 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,960 And then it hits the higher kids at the end. 36 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:51,960 And it's in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:56,960 in a céu, it's yeah, up high for you and like, 38 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,960 fall in low and it's in it and because the lower kids are participating, 39 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,960 it kind of brings them up. 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,960 Okay, do use a basal in your teaching or do you use a workshop? 41 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:08,960 What, what do you need is. 42 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:09,960 Workshop, um, I have not used a basal in probably 20 years. 43 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,960 However, today. 44 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,960 I just got new materials that are being mandated by the state of Alaska. 45 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:24,720 I'm going to navigate that because I can't see that I would teach in that way. 46 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,840 So I'm a little bit apprehensive. 47 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,480 Tomorrow's our training. 48 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,480 I can't imagine. 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,920 Now, I'm old enough to remember the old days with basils in high, middle, and low group. 50 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:40,760 And you're sitting at the kidney-shaped table, working with the group, and the others are 51 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,880 in their seats doing seat work. 52 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:50,520 Yeah, there seems to be workbooks to go through, and that would be super boring. 53 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,440 My whole workshop teaches with authentic texts. 54 00:02:54,440 --> 00:03:01,120 So I mean, for years and years, we have created in our school a book room that has multi-leveled 55 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:09,680 books, and I know thematically or through science, whole things, fiction, nonfiction. 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:16,080 And so over the years, I've just figured out how to put levels together for what I'm teaching 57 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:20,200 in the beginning of the year, in the middle of the year, at the end of the year, and it 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,200 kind of works. 59 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,680 Kids are engaged. 60 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:23,680 They love it. 61 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:24,680 Yeah. 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:25,680 Imagine that. 63 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,680 They're enjoying themselves. 64 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,960 Yeah, they love teaching. 65 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,280 They love writing. 66 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,000 Most kids love writing. 67 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,240 Yep. 68 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,680 When they can share their ideas, I'm guessing. 69 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,680 Yeah, totally. 70 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:36,680 I like to use... 71 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,080 What did they write about? 72 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,760 Oh, my gosh. 73 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,400 So at the beginning of the year, I like to use a lot of personal narratives, right, because 74 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,960 it's a good thing to do to get to know your new students. 75 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:56,800 And actually, I do follow Lucy Cawkins just because we adopted it as a school a few years 76 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:57,800 ago. 77 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,120 However, we've been told we can't use it anymore, but I'm still probably going to use parts of 78 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:08,920 it because she's put together some nice outlines and... 79 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,680 I differentiate and I go off of it. 80 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:18,600 I don't really follow it to the letter because I'm teaching, so it needs to come from me. 81 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,000 And I like to use a lot of Ralph Fletcher books. 82 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,000 Oh, my gosh. 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,240 His Marshfield Dreams, Stories When I Was a Kid, or Stories When I Was a Boy. 84 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,200 Stories When I Was a Kid, I think. 85 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:38,920 I use that all the time in the fall for personal narratives because he is writing from his 86 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:44,040 childhood and kids get a kick out of hearing those little short stories. 87 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,840 Then they can think, oh, I can write about losing a tooth and my grandma buried it in 88 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:49,840 the garden. 89 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:50,840 So... 90 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:51,840 Cool. 91 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:58,000 Now, do you have the same kids in second and third for two years then? 92 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,560 I have the third grader. 93 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,200 My third graders this year, I had a second grader. 94 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,880 So half my class is new, is old to me and half is new. 95 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:06,880 That's awesome. 96 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:07,880 Yeah. 97 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,280 So you loop with them or whatever. 98 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:13,920 But you know what? 99 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,480 It is so amazing to have half-care class trained. 100 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:18,480 Yes. 101 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,040 You start the year running. 102 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,600 You don't have to spend that much time on management. 103 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,440 The kids know the drill. 104 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,440 They know how to use their book boxes. 105 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,240 You can have those kids train the other kids. 106 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,760 It's super, super nice. 107 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,320 And it's that Vygotsky thing you learn by interacting with other people. 108 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,320 Yep. 109 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:40,600 At higher and higher levels. 110 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:41,880 That's exactly right. 111 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,040 So who told you you couldn't use Lucy Calkins? 112 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:57,280 Well, Emily Hanford evidently came to Alaska in the spring of this last year. 113 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:00,920 And lots of people went down to Anchorage to see her. 114 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,800 I did not go. 115 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:08,440 And they came back saying that Lucy Calkins is bad. 116 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,880 Emily Hanford is good. 117 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:12,880 Yeah. 118 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,480 Evidently, she's a journalist and knows everything about reading instruction. 119 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,360 How many reading classes has Emily Hanford taught? 120 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,000 Yeah, I don't know. 121 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,600 I don't know. 122 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,400 But I've taught hundreds of kids how to read. 123 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:34,680 What was the reason why you were told not to use Lucy Calkins? 124 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,680 Just that she's bad. 125 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,200 I'm sorry. 126 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,400 Oh, she's bad. 127 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:44,880 Okay. 128 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,560 Bad. 129 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,680 Bad in a moral sense or no? 130 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:49,680 I don't know. 131 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,960 You know, a lot of people complain about her. 132 00:06:51,960 --> 00:07:01,320 But I don't know, I've seen her do some beautiful things like creating Saturday classes online 133 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:02,800 for free. 134 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:08,480 And you know, as a teacher in Alaska, yeah, I mean, it's caught so much to travel. 135 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,280 I love that she creates things that are free and they're beautiful. 136 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,040 And I get up at four o'clock in the morning and listen to it and learn something new. 137 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:21,160 Oh my, and everything you adopt and adapt, I mean, it would be malpractice if you took 138 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,280 something and did it exactly. 139 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:24,280 Right. 140 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:25,280 Yep. 141 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,440 I think you're teaching your kids not a program or curriculum. 142 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,440 Exactly. 143 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,600 Tell me about this. 144 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,600 I think. 145 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:34,600 Go ahead. 146 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,960 Tell you about the what? 147 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:38,960 The book room. 148 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:39,960 Is that a library? 149 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,240 Is that something in your class? 150 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,240 No. 151 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:48,560 Well, I have a huge library because I've spent thousands of dollars on books over the years 152 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:55,480 and, you know, try to keep buying new, especially nonfiction, nonfiction and second and third 153 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,320 grade is where it's at. 154 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,240 Those kids, you know, really love those things. 155 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:06,400 So and trying to trying to reach my boys to make sure I, you know, have enough for them 156 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,440 and lots of graphic novels now. 157 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:16,120 But the book room was started even before I came to my elementary school, Solchia Elementary, 158 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:23,320 and it we just had a cabinet at first with the second and third grade. 159 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,200 I took her position after she retired. 160 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,120 I was a K the K one teacher then. 161 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:33,520 And we had, you know, just all these books that we collected sets of and then we would 162 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,720 teach from there and we would just pull out the books and we didn't even check them out 163 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:44,160 because it's just we only have back then there was only four teachers K to six. 164 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,240 Now we have three teachers K to five. 165 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,600 So it's a very small school. 166 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:54,960 But over the years, if there was ever any extra money or if our school district in, you know, 167 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,200 15 years ago is pretty progressive. 168 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:05,880 And if you didn't want to use the basil or if there was extra supplemental money, they 169 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,160 would give it to you and you could purchase book sets or, you know, things that you felt 170 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,160 you needed. 171 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:19,360 And so we have a really good book room, I think, and, you know, like we even have sets 172 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:26,960 of Mercy Watson K to Camillo's, you know, so that's a fairly newer series, and lots 173 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:32,160 of nonfiction as well, kindergarten through sixth grade. 174 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,160 So, Alexa, sorry. 175 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,160 Okay. 176 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:42,760 Amazing what can happen if you allow teachers to make choices. 177 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:48,400 And yeah, I mean, my motivation goes up right when I'm in control and kids motivation goes 178 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,680 up to when they are in control. 179 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:55,760 Now think about, well, I like what you said about nonfiction. 180 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,960 I was surprised. 181 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:57,960 Tell me more about that. 182 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:03,360 How many younger children prefer nonfiction? 183 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:08,120 I don't know, like I've never done a survey necessarily, I just know that through teaching 184 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,720 them kids love nonfiction. 185 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:16,000 And this is the age to grab them, I feel as a second and third grade teacher, just knowing 186 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,720 eight and nine year olds, they want to know about the world. 187 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,280 They are curious. 188 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:27,560 They, it's all, you know, all the facts that they can get about any kind of animal that 189 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:33,560 they're interested in or any kind of country, anything. 190 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:40,600 So, and I love that too, as a teacher and a farmer, I'm all about nonfiction. 191 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:46,680 So, and I like teaching them about, I mean, I feel like it's my obligation to teach them 192 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:49,640 about the trees in the boreal forest because we are in it. 193 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:56,160 I want them to understand about bird migrations and systems and salmon and things that are 194 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,440 in our environment. 195 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:02,080 So that's my job is to turn them on to where we live. 196 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,360 You sound like a magic teacher. 197 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,560 Well, I love it. 198 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:08,560 You can tell that. 199 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:15,000 And that's what builds the basis for the reading expository text later on. 200 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,200 Having that basis. 201 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,240 Well, what brings you joy in teaching? 202 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,440 The kids, totally the kids. 203 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:31,360 Every day I greet them at the door and then we have a morning meeting and something that 204 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:38,000 I've been doing for quite a few years now is reading lots. 205 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,840 I've always read to them a lot. 206 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,840 So I usually read a picture book first thing in the morning and then sometime during the 207 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,080 day, depending on our schedule, I do a read aloud. 208 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,680 And I used to read and they would just listen or they would draw. 209 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:57,960 A few years ago, I just thought, gosh, if they could just track, I think it will really 210 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:03,720 help them with their eye movement and strengthening their eyes. 211 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,160 And then you just never know. 212 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,560 It might just make them really take off. 213 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:10,520 And I really think that's true. 214 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,160 So I just try to have them track as they go as best they can. 215 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,960 There are a few kids that their attention spans are not very good. 216 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:22,400 And I usually have them come close to my rocking chair, but I have them open their books of 217 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:23,400 their chapter books. 218 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:34,480 And I'm talking Charlotte's Web and the BFG and indicate the Camillo book that I can get 219 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:35,480 my hands on. 220 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,320 So like the miraculous journey of Edward Tulane. 221 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:43,400 So and they turn on to reading like nobody's business. 222 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:49,480 And I just, I usually have a camera around my neck when I'm at school so that I can just 223 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,120 like do it one handed, you know, and then I put it in my newsletter and because I'll 224 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,640 be sitting there reading and they're tracking. 225 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:03,400 And I don't know if you've ever experienced a classroom of children just stuck into a 226 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,720 book and then feel, I don't, I don't know how to explain it. 227 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:12,920 If you haven't ever been in a classroom, it's just this magical thing where they're all 228 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:19,040 in it and then you'll come to a part where, you know, it's exciting or sad or something 229 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:26,920 and there's just a collective like presence, I guess, of all the children and and sometimes 230 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:35,720 we'll just stop and I love, love, love to do it so much because when kids like don't 231 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:43,160 know a word or there's, you know, something that they really connect to, they will ask 232 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,600 a question like, what does that mean? 233 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:51,120 Or, or, and I tell them, you know, I don't know every word you know, you've, you have 234 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,440 to stop me and tell me what you need to know and then I will, you know, explain it or, 235 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,240 you know, we're a community will help each other. 236 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:03,800 And so, oh my gosh, the discussions that second and third graders can have about the world 237 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:12,120 and kindness and character development, it's just truly a gift to be able to be president 238 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,080 when they are making all these connections. 239 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:21,680 So I really wish people everywhere could, could be in a room when that happens. 240 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:28,040 Sounds like you're having some flow experiences, some people experiences with children and 241 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,880 they're fully engaged. 242 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:30,880 Yeah. 243 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,560 Do you have behavior problems when children are fully engaged? 244 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:35,560 No. 245 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:42,040 I actually, I actually don't have very many knock on wood behavior problem. 246 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:49,000 I mean, I have, of course we have, but I learned something really important from a mentor, 247 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,880 teacher of mine. 248 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:56,920 She always said, you can't take anything out from a child until you put deposits in. 249 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,960 And so I think about that all the time, like, you know, I try to make connections, like, 250 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,080 you know, the K-1 teacher, I see those kids in the hall and I'm always trying to put a 251 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:12,560 good positives thing into those kids that I see coming up to me because then I can correct 252 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,280 them and, you know, take a withdrawal. 253 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,600 So that's my, that's my, that's my MO. 254 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,800 I'm going to steal that idea and teach it to my undergraduate students. 255 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:24,800 Yeah. 256 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,800 You're absolutely right. 257 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:31,520 So much of learning is the emotional part. 258 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:32,520 Yep. 259 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:39,360 And I have a child that is possibly autistic coming up to me and all I know is he has a 260 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,160 fetish with cats. 261 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:47,800 So I already have thought that my first read aloud that I don't have a set of is the grand 262 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:49,480 escape about the cat. 263 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,800 I don't know if you're familiar with that book, but I'm trying to remember the author, 264 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,640 which I'm blanking on right now. 265 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,320 But it's all about some cats that like sneak out in the night. 266 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:04,720 And so it's a super good one for the beginning of the year because it's not, it's very easy 267 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,720 to comprehend. 268 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,720 So I'm going to start the year with that. 269 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,760 So imagine the money being spent on the science of reading new curriculum. 270 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:21,120 If that money could be spent instead on books, what do you think the difference would be? 271 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,160 Well, I think the difference would be amazing. 272 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:31,320 But I also think we need to spend money on teachers and professional development. 273 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:38,200 So I guess that's where I've been having a hard time lately. 274 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,040 You know, like, what do you mean there's no phonics taught? 275 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,240 I've been teaching phonics my whole time. 276 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:48,520 What do you mean, you know, we're not, I don't know. 277 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,400 I just can't understand it, but then I think, well, maybe there are teachers that don't 278 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:58,800 know these things or maybe they just, I mean, I guess I've always been a studier. 279 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:05,600 And so, and I've taught in a small school where if I don't do my job, it's totally reflected 280 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,360 on me because I'm the only third grade teacher. 281 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:14,360 So yeah, so it's, I have the weight on me and I understand that and it's good. 282 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:15,360 That's a good thing. 283 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:22,040 It's the joy of having a small school versus these big shopping mall schools. 284 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,040 Yeah. 285 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:30,760 And there's lots of things, there's lots of practices I see happening in schools, things 286 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,920 that are maybe not research based at all. 287 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:40,080 So I don't know if you're familiar with what to read, but there's, I don't know, my district 288 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,080 is all over it. 289 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:46,040 And I don't really know exactly how it's being used because in bigger schools and maybe, 290 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,360 and maybe that's a solution in bigger schools, you know, if they're having success in it, 291 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:51,360 then fine. 292 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:58,040 But in our little school, I mean, you know, I have second graders and third graders, I 293 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:03,520 have, you know, some of them are probably first grade readers, kindergarten readers up 294 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,760 to fifth grade readers. 295 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,360 So that's a beautiful thing, actually. 296 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:20,280 Because I think that those, those sometimes those less mature readers have the most insight 297 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,360 or different, different way of thinking and they bring it out while I've been doing a 298 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:25,360 read aloud. 299 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:30,000 So disability doesn't mean a thinking disability. 300 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,000 Yeah. 301 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,360 Or an imaginary disability. 302 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:34,360 Yeah. 303 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,560 Or an emotional disability. 304 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:37,720 Mm hmm. 305 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,040 They're still, they're still connecting. 306 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,160 Can you remember back to when you started teaching what that first year was like for 307 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,160 you? 308 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:51,080 So I was, I was teaching in Texas then. 309 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,600 And my first year teaching, it was awful. 310 00:18:54,600 --> 00:19:03,240 I taught in a school, Shenandoah Elementary, and I had, there were eight teachers, six 311 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,960 to eight teachers per grade level. 312 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,800 It was a huge elementary school. 313 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,320 And I had the most beautiful second grade class. 314 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:17,600 I, I student taught in first grade, but then I got this second grade position in Texas. 315 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:28,320 So but then right after Labor Day, the weekend of Labor Day, the school district decided to 316 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,240 put me into fourth grade because they had an influx of fourth graders. 317 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:38,840 And so over the three day weekend, I had to switch my classroom out for fourth grade and 318 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:43,520 you know, brand new teacher and then teach fourth grade. 319 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,800 And so all my kids went away and I got all these new kids and how they decided, which 320 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:53,120 the principal decided, they took the last enrolled from every classroom and gave me 321 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:54,680 those kids. 322 00:19:54,680 --> 00:20:00,720 And so you can imagine those are the, those are the kids that usually have the most behavior 323 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,520 problems because they're the parents that, you know, just didn't do it to the last second. 324 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,320 Not, I mean, that's what happened anyway. 325 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,760 And I had kids in their fetal position. 326 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,280 I had, I had really abused kids. 327 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:19,400 I had kids that had just came from Taiwan the weekend before and didn't speak any English. 328 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,800 And I cried every single day. 329 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,320 I went home and my husband said, why do you want to be a teacher again? 330 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,160 And I said, good, I love that. 331 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,120 And so it was so hard that first year was awful. 332 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:38,640 But I stuck with it and stuck to my guns and I probably learned everything I needed to 333 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:39,640 know that year. 334 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:40,640 Wow. 335 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:47,520 You know, we think we can create a finished teaching product in three semesters of undergraduate 336 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,640 and you pointed to the importance of teacher professional development. 337 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,240 Tell me a little bit more about that. 338 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:59,520 How you see that the importance of teacher professional development. 339 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:07,320 Well, partly I think we have to, we have to find master teachers and put and put people 340 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:13,040 that are beginning teachers with them, either in undergraduate school or those first couple 341 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,840 of years of practice. 342 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:20,000 And I often think about, you know, you're not an expert at anything that Malcolm Gladwell 343 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,560 book, he said 10,000 hours until you're an expert at anything, which is about eight years 344 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,560 of teaching. 345 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:26,880 I figured out. 346 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:27,960 Wow. 347 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:38,280 So, if that's true, then, you know, that takes a long time to get good at this practice. 348 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,600 And we always say that teachers are practicing, right? 349 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,760 And so think of it like a doctor is also having a practice. 350 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:55,880 And I actually quit a lot of teaching with doctors because, you know, if you go to a 351 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:02,480 doctor and you prescribe, you're prescribed something, the doctor looks at the whole person 352 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,200 and then they prescribe medication. 353 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:12,440 But if you need it and then, but people don't react the same to the same treatment. 354 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,040 So the doctor might have to do something different. 355 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:21,320 I mean, there's general things that work, but sometimes they don't always work. 356 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,040 So it's exactly true with teaching reading. 357 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,480 And if it's not working, they don't keep doing it. 358 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,480 Right. 359 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,240 And I think that's our obligation to switch it up. 360 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,480 If it doesn't work, change something. 361 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,920 But professional development, I belong to the International Reading Association, or wait, 362 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:46,200 International Literacy Association now, I used to be reading. 363 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,800 I'm also the, this year, the president of my local chapter. 364 00:22:50,800 --> 00:23:01,240 But I just believe in connecting with teachers and, gosh, in Alaska, you know, 15, 20 years 365 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,400 ago, I got to go on retreats. 366 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,760 We got to put on conferences here in Alaska. 367 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,240 I mean, we've had Regie Routman here. 368 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:16,640 We've had Ralph Glutcher has come to Alaska. 369 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,400 Richard Allington has come a few times. 370 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:26,520 You know, I've gotten to hear really amazing teachers and researchers and I've gotten to 371 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:34,320 go to conferences, you know, in Chicago and other places. 372 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,080 And I feel like that is super important. 373 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,400 But I also believe conferences are great. 374 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,360 They're great shot in the arm and they're good to hear if you're hearing a real researcher. 375 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,240 But it's only a shot in the arm. 376 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:55,680 And I think the best professional development I've ever gotten has been things that are 377 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:56,680 long term. 378 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,840 So like the National Writing Project. 379 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,920 So we had, in Alaska, we had something called the Writing Consortium. 380 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,760 And so it was based on the National Writing Project. 381 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:13,280 And so teachers would go for, you know, two weeks to a month sometimes, like retreat style 382 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:18,640 and you would like work on writing for that whole time and you'd be a better writer yourself 383 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,920 so that you could be a better teacher of writing. 384 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,080 And so I've done that. 385 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,520 And so I think just studying it. 386 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,920 Professional learning communities, PLCs are important. 387 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,800 Book studies are important. 388 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:44,000 So but it takes a lot of time and new teachers don't come in. 389 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,920 There's no way you could actually really be ready unless you spend about five years, 390 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,560 you know, following a mentor or teacher probably, I think it's too hard. 391 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,280 It's too hard of a job. 392 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,360 We prepare them to begin the journey. 393 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:00,360 Yeah. 394 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:04,160 And the one and done workshop, you're right, doesn't work. 395 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,720 It's contact over time. 396 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:12,080 So you have a chance to think and synthesize and talk with others and try out these new 397 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,320 ideas. 398 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,120 That's how professional development happens. 399 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:17,120 Yeah. 400 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:22,680 The difference between a novice and expert is the 10,000 hours, but it's also knowledge. 401 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,200 Right. 402 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,200 Situations. 403 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,640 Yeah, an experience, understanding how literacy happens, how learning occurs. 404 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,640 Well, as you think about the science of reading and the impacts, how do you think that's going 405 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,280 to impact your class and your ability to teach? 406 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:50,400 Well, as a master teacher, at least I think I'm a master teacher by now. 407 00:25:50,400 --> 00:26:00,760 I think that I'm going to wade the waters and avoid the rocks. 408 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:08,040 So, you know, I'm just going to do what I know is right because deep down in my core, 409 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,240 I cannot. 410 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:15,000 I cannot just follow, you know, Bonnick's lessons for an hour. 411 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000 I just can't. 412 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,240 I'm not going to do that to kids. 413 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,720 Because I know that I would be robbing them of joy. 414 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:29,600 I do teach Bonnick's, but I'm just not going to do what they're telling me to do. 415 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,120 I'm not going to follow the basil. 416 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:32,960 I can't do it. 417 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,080 And you can still teach the skills in the basil. 418 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,080 Yeah. 419 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,080 I can't. 420 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,440 Teach it your own way. 421 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,440 Right. 422 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,440 Exactly. 423 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,440 I will. 424 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,920 I will look at the skills and I'll make sure that I'm doing it. 425 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:53,320 Actually, I was doing that a little bit today and I was like, oh, see, look, making words 426 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,000 has doubling the consonant before the suffix. 427 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,760 This youth life thing also has that. 428 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,480 It's all the same. 429 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,200 You can do it. 430 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:09,280 Well, what would you like parents to know about teaching reading about how you do things? 431 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:16,720 Well, I write a newsletter every year and try to help parents understand how to read. 432 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:23,880 But mostly I just want parents to help their child find joy in it and help them find books 433 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:32,560 that they love to read and set up a place for them to read at night and just support 434 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,560 their child wherever they are. 435 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:43,680 I had a little girl that I tutored a little bit at our farm at lunchtime a couple of times 436 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:49,840 this summer and she would come down from her farm and we'd sit at my picnic table and do 437 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,480 some reading together and then she would help me out a little bit on the farm and I'd give 438 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:59,280 her flowers and then she'd go home. 439 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:05,640 But finding the joy and not stressing too much if a kid is not like quote unquote on 440 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:11,800 level, just keep working and not giving up and keep trying things until the child gets 441 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:12,800 it. 442 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:18,280 They all learn in different ways and at different rates. 443 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,560 What would you like my undergraduate pre-service teachers, what advice do you have for them? 444 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,840 I'm going to show them this by the way. 445 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,280 This is good stuff. 446 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,520 Gosh. 447 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,920 They're wondering how they should teach reading. 448 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,960 They're going, oh my gosh, what do I do? 449 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,000 Well, I think you just have to start. 450 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:47,400 You have to know that all those pillars are important, but plus writing, I would say actually 451 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,960 focus on writing. 452 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:55,000 Focus on how to be a writing teacher because you apply what you know about language in writing 453 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:01,560 and then you know you have something concrete to know where a kid is. 454 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,320 Actually I think about that a lot. 455 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,600 When kids write, they can only write at their level. 456 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,680 They can't write below it and therefore you know you're writing that zone of proximal 457 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,000 development. 458 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,840 You know exactly what they need. 459 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:28,000 I think teaching reading through writing is very magical actually because kids will connect 460 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,240 so like any kind of genre. 461 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:39,320 If you're reading information books, you should be writing information books in tandem because 462 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,760 it really cements it and then kids really get it. 463 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,680 If you're reading opinions, you should be writing opinions. 464 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,160 So connections. 465 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,560 I wish you would have been my third grade teacher. 466 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,960 Well, that sounds good. 467 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,520 Well what else can you tell us about teaching reading? 468 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:02,520 That's a very general. 469 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,680 What's worked for you and what hasn't worked for you? 470 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,320 What's a failure that you've made? 471 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,560 Failure. 472 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,560 Well what's worked? 473 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,560 Let me go back. 474 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,560 Yep, what's worked. 475 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,240 Okay, here's something interesting. 476 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,800 I always think I can teach anybody to read. 477 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,960 I just got to figure it out, right? 478 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,960 Yes. 479 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,960 Okay. 480 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,560 So I taught a blind boy how to read. 481 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,760 Truly, I mean he had no vision at all and he had to learn to read Braille. 482 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:36,360 He obviously had an assistant to help him, which happened to be my really good friend. 483 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,040 And she would Braille all the little books. 484 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:48,320 I wanted to give him the feeling of being just like all those other kids, but he taught 485 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,360 me so many important things. 486 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,040 First of all, so we would, I have like little story box books in my classroom. 487 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:03,720 He was like a second grader when I had him and we would put Braille, see through Braille 488 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,080 on the pages that I still have some of these books in my room. 489 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:13,000 I had charts that she would put Braille on so that he could go up and feel and point 490 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,280 to words. 491 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,280 Just like the other kids. 492 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,280 I'm not kidding you. 493 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,040 It was just magical. 494 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,160 And sorry, my dog. 495 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:32,280 And she, but what was so good about having this boy was that I had to explain things 496 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,480 a lot better because he had to understand it. 497 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:42,760 So I was buying toys that were replicas of whales. 498 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:48,280 So when I read a book about whales, he could touch it and feel what a fluke was or, you 499 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,760 know, oh my gosh, that kid taught me so much. 500 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,520 So that kid went to college. 501 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,520 And that's all I know. 502 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:00,120 Like I don't know where he is now, but I do know he graduated and went to college. 503 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,760 So that makes me happy. 504 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:08,440 But then I've also taught kids that were autistic and didn't have much vocabulary or even, well, 505 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,440 we didn't know. 506 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,680 Actually, we didn't know how much he understood. 507 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:19,480 And so he, I was trying to get a handle on how much Comprehension he had. 508 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,680 So, but he couldn't tell me sentences. 509 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,680 And so I would have him read a story that he didn't know. 510 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,400 I was trying to benchmark him. 511 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:33,440 So I gave him a story that he didn't know, but I had copied out pictures of the book 512 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,120 that he just read. 513 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:41,320 And then I would, and then I had the aid help me and it was, which happened first, which 514 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,280 happened second, and he'd find the pictures or where's the character, you know, and I 515 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,480 would ask him questions and he would understand it. 516 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,720 So I could kind of get it a handle on how much he was getting out of those books because 517 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,960 he couldn't say all the words that I could understand. 518 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,840 But here's the thing. 519 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,760 He lives in my community still. 520 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,160 He reads Harry Potter. 521 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,880 Oh, he's like 20. 522 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,960 How does he know 22? 523 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,960 I think. 524 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:09,960 Yep. 525 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,800 But he, he, he reads Harry Potter. 526 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:17,640 And so to me, that makes me so happy because that kid learned to read, but he got, he 527 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,080 learned to read him with story box books and a stack. 528 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,480 He had to have like a lot of repetition because he couldn't focus for very long. 529 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,280 And so there was an aid with him and they would just read the next one, the next one. 530 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,680 And she would, she would just have him read the next book and the next book and the next 531 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,400 book and they'd go through a stack and he would do it. 532 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,960 But if it was a long book, he couldn't do it. 533 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,040 But those short ones, he felt accomplished and he would. 534 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,040 So I'm not kidding. 535 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,280 We have stacks of books that he would go through every day. 536 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,280 Wow. 537 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,280 I know. 538 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,920 Well, Rhonda, it brings me joy knowing that you're a teacher. 539 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,920 Thank you. 540 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:54,920 And there's teachers out there. 541 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:55,920 It really does. 542 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:56,920 It really does. 543 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:57,920 It gives me hope. 544 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,360 And I hope you don't retire for a long, long time because we need teachers like you in 545 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,360 our classrooms. 546 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,360 Yeah. 547 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:11,800 And we just, yeah, I think this is my last year though, which makes me so sad, but maybe 548 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,240 I'll help at the university. 549 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,240 Yes. 550 00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:23,160 It makes me sad that we don't honor the wisdom, the experience, the knowledge and expertise 551 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,640 of magic teachers like you. 552 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,280 And that's the sad part. 553 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,280 Yeah. 554 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,280 Thank you. 555 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,280 Yes. 556 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,280 Yes. 557 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,360 I will keep working for education though, some way. 558 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,680 Maybe at my farm have a different reading thing. 559 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,400 There you go. 560 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,480 You could have a reading camp at your farm. 561 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,480 Yeah. 562 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,000 So, any last words? 563 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:51,320 No, but I just appreciate that you took the time to talk to teachers like me and I'm always 564 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,760 happy to help people. 565 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,960 So, if any of your students need help, just give them my email address. 566 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,440 We'll take you up on that. 567 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,440 All right. 568 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,440 Thank you, Rhonda. 569 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,440 Okay. 570 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,440 Thank you. 571 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,440 On this shown bloom. 572 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,440 Bloom bomb. 573 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,440 Bloom bomb. 574 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,440 Yeah. 575 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,440 You bet.