Okay, Chelsea, I found this article while we were going over the
intro topic of the last episode, not the one I did, the one you did.
It's about the AI.
And I am so happy I found this article because it is fantastic.
It's on futurism.com.
It is written by a dad love.
No, maybe not.
I don't know where the name of the, I guess it is dad love.
Huh?
No, sorry, sorry.
It's by Maggie Harrison, May 18th, 2020, 2023.
Title of the article.
AI company says it will perform a seance on your dead loved ones.
We're trying to make it sound as magical and as mystical as possible.
So AI, once again, coming for those good jobs.
It is a good job.
As the Greek myth goes, the nymph Eurydice was killed only a few hours
after she married the musician Orpheus.
Consumed by grief, Orpheus traveled to the underworld to find his late wife,
where he played a song so sad that his rulers Hades and Persephone told the
musician that he and Eurydice could go back, albeit under one condition.
All Orpheus had to do was wait until they were back in the land of the living
to turn around and see his bride.
But he couldn't wait and he looked too soon and Eurydice was forced back into
the underworld.
Orpheus lost her all over again.
Drowed narrative history from ancient mythology to modern stories like
Petch Cemetery, bringing lost loved ones back from the dead has been
generally regarded as a pretty big no.
As the tales will tell, bringing the dead back to life will result in the
resurrection of some horrible silhouette or at the least a vacant one,
empty of whatever it was that made that person them.
Often the attempt at resurrection destroys a necromancer,
whether by hand or some macabre force, or just the extra heartbreak of losing
the loved one twice.
Fascinatingly, however, I'm skipping ahead a bit, that's where an upcoming
service called Seon's AI, yes, it's actually called that, sets itself apart.
It's built by a software development lab called AE Studio, where its creator,
a designer named Jaren Rocks, isn't shy about the straightforwardness of the
product's name.
While other companies often talk about the implications of resurrection,
Rock leans full tilt into the guliness and according to him, it's very intentional.
Quote, we're trying to make it sound as magical and as mystical as possible.
Rocks told Futurism saying that the name is a call to attention over how
advanced large language models have gotten.
LLMs, or large language models, after all, are convincing simulation.
People are forming deep parasocial bonds with them, and at least one person has
led to have died as a result of their interaction with an AI chatbot.
No idea who that is, maybe that's for another article at some point.
If a user is looking for a final conversation with someone they've lost,
maybe it is better to give them a product that blatantly claims to allow them a
brief conversation with the deceased, rather than imply that the soul of a
dead friend or parent is trapped in chat GBT.
Rocks also emphasizes the seance's head brevity.
Often, after a loss, whatever last words or moments you had with someone good or
bad are seared into your memory.
And in many cases, an accident say, there's often no goodbye at all.
Rocks likens his product to an AI generated Ouija board for closure rather
than a means of immortality.
Quote, it is essentially meant to be a short interaction that can provide a
sense of closure.
That's really where the main focus is here.
It's not meant to be something super long term.
In its current state, it's meant to provide a conversation for closure and
emotional processing.
In other words, whatever seance AI gives you isn't really your loved one.
It's just a digital psychic briefly summoning a digital representation of
the deceased so that the living can have one last conversation.
In fact, the founder even admits that in seance AI's current state, it can't
really hold a long conversation anyways.
Quote, or short conversations.
I think it feels decently human.
I think it falls apart a little bit when you start to pick up repetitions.
It's following a pattern.
It doesn't really know exactly what's going on in a demo.
Rocks provided for Futurism.
Seance AI guided the user through a series of queries about the individual
they're trying to reach.
Name, age, cause of death, a short list of personality traits the user can
adjust to suit their loved one, a space where users can input a snippet of
text from the deceased and then cease relationship to the users and others.
Once that information is given, the cheesiest part of the process and
the animated flame greets the user as the chatbot loads.
A text box appears and from there you are basically just sending a DM.
It's seance roleplay meets AOL instant messenger, which as Rock explained to
us, you can soon access yourself for a to be determined cost.
Though a studios had considered charging a monthly subscription fee, Rock says
they're now leaning towards a pay per session model to deter users from
summoning the dead too often.
You know, as one does.
I think that's far enough into the article.
Chelsea, how do you feel about this?
Not great.
Based on a number of things.
I don't know.
I guess AI is just one of those things that are starting to take off.
So I don't know if this would actually, I don't think you should be summoning
the dead at all.
Really?
Because who knows what you're doing?
So I don't know the implications of that in kind of reaching out to an AI with
the intention of summoning something.
And they're saying like this is AI.
To me, it's not actually someone who actually wants to do a seance to do this.
It's probably more someone that's desperate to contact somebody.
Yeah.
Well, and like it does kind of make sense.
It can take everything that you've ever posted online, liked or is associated
with your internet footprint to come up with a response that you would likely have.
That is actually an interesting use of the technology to replace somebody who has
died and really becomes a ship of Theseus to an extent of if it's responding
in the same way you would or is powerful enough to basically take your whole
personality into it.
Are you really living on at that point?
But beyond the idea of this podcast, I thought it was just a fun idea.
Yeah, no.
And you bring up a very good point on that as well.
And another sad example of technology taking the good jobs.
It'll never be able to tap its toes the way we can, though.
No, we're like cracker knuckles.
Cracker toe knuckles in that ever so great way.
Yeah.
Anyhow, Chelsea, are you ready to get into this episode?
Yeah, let's do it.
OK.
OK, from the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe.
Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where we may not aim to disappoint,
but by God, do some of these fantastical conspiracy stories that seem fun at
first leave us very little option other than disappointment and genocide.
Surprisingly enough, I came up with that before we just did that other episode.
It was written down.
We are your upset but accepting podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea.
And today, Chelsea has completely done an episode without me knowing anything about it.
So I will just kind of let her take it from you.
I never tell you what I'm doing.
And I never heard us summed up so completely well in those two words that I just
forgot what they were that you said.
But that is an pointed but accepting house.
Yes, that is us. That is us.
So I'm on a mission this week with this episode.
I don't even know why I'm telling you because the mission is a secret.
It's a journey to the fringe secret.
We're continuing on with the wave theme inspired by Taylor's 1897 airship wave episode.
And this episode is mostly about the Hudson Valley UFO wave in the 80s,
more specifically between 1982 and 1984.
That's the time frame, not more specifically about what the episode is about.
In case you're like me and have no idea the region on earth that the Hudson Valley occupies.
This would be the area in and around the Hudson River, which is located in the state of New York
in the United States.
And the area is about one hour north of New York City.
I think that's pretty close to Canada.
The sightings were seen not just over the Hudson Valley, but as far east as New Haven,
Connecticut, and as far north as Brookfield, Connecticut.
The Hudson Valley UFO wave is just easier to say.
So I guess they just went with that.
I'm not familiar with Connecticut, so I'm not actually sure like how large of an area this is.
I don't think it's very big because although states over there are small.
You're aware enough of Connecticut to know how to say it, which is good.
Connecticut.
Now that the area is established, I can catch you up to speed on the happenings of the wave.
Basically, there's a bunch of UFOs that got together and over a couple of years,
they decided that this was the place to be seen.
And boy, were they seen there.
That sums it up.
I'll give you some sightings.
New Year's Eve, 1982.
No name retired.
No name again.
No name retired police officer located in Kent, New York is one of the first to lay eyes
on a strange V shaped slash boomerang shape.
Boomerang.
At least in this situation, we have a bit more idea of what he does for a living.
It's not just a businessman who smells alfalfa.
Yeah, it's true.
That's still so bizarre.
I think about that every so often.
How did we not get that job?
How do you get that job?
No name police officer.
He is laying his eyes on a V shaped slash boomerang shape formation with multi colored lights from his backyard.
Lights were red, green and white and passed over his house and an estimated 500 feet.
No name initially thought he was looking at an aircraft in trouble.
But upon second look, he realized that it was moving way too slow and quietly to be an airplane.
In fact, the only noise it emitted was a distant humming sound, which in my opinion is super creepy and also proved me wrong
because in my mind, UFOs make the sounds that Tesla's electric cars make.
Yeah, or as the Simpsons put it, a comb with wax paper over it.
Yeah, that works too.
No name made an observation that the lights appearing in a V shape appeared to be connected by a dark
triangular fuselage and sighting.
What no name observed was observed many more times in the Hudson Valley over the next couple of years and is one of the most widely
observed UFO events accumulating over 5000 eyewitnesses, including quote unquote, incredible witnesses.
Named witnesses.
Some of them are and they're including police officers.
They're including people from all walks of life.
The majority of the witnesses also describe a solid V shaped UFO, often described as being the size of a football field and being made up of a very dark gun gray metal.
Can't say I've ever heard of that color before, but somehow I'm picturing it.
I know exactly what they're talking about.
The sightings sound being emitted from whatever it is they're seeing is either silent or humming.
UFO sighted seems to glide over large areas causing dozens of sightings in one night and is never spotted during the day.
And while most sightings describe the UFOs moving at very slow speed, hovering or turning slowly like a wheel, a few reports describe the object is suddenly zooming away at incredible speeds or just simply blinking out of reality, I guess, just blinking out and it's gone.
Like it's kind of described as the exact same speed as the airships, actually.
That it is.
Outside of its shape, it actually kind of sounds a lot like it.
Yeah.
And there are some similarities that I think we will get to.
Generally speaking, UFOs and things that are unknown in the sky do tend to act the same.
In some accounts, the shape varies so that the lights appear in more of a circle than a V.
Often the color and arrangements of the lights changed as they watched.
In a few cases, reports put the object at two distant locations at the same time, suggesting there might be more than one of them.
I mean, I just assume that, but I think it needed to be said.
The object also seemed to be interested in bodies of water.
One observer watched the UFO over Croton, Croton Falls Reservoir, where it seems to use a red beam to probe the surface.
There is an article that was published in the Westchester Rockland Daily Item on March 26, 1983 that I'm going to read once I find it.
Hundreds claim to have seen UFO by E. B. Walzer, daffrater.
In Yorktown, people don't usually call the police when visitors arrive from out of town, as long as they aren't from outer space.
Thursday night, Yorktown police and neighboring departments were flooded with calls from people who said they had seen strange lights in the sky, an unidentified flying object.
The descriptions of the object matched those given exactly a week earlier by people in Putnam County who had reported seeing lights over Interstate 84.
The lights, callers said, were arranged in a V shape and appeared to be placed along the edges of a large triangular flying craft.
More than a hundred calls were received Thursday night, mostly by police in New Yorktown, but also in Newcastle, Mount Kisco, Carmel, and Putnam Valley.
I did not know there was a New Yorktown.
No, Yorktown.
Okay.
Yorktown patrolman Kevin Sarovia saw the lights twice within a 45 minute period Thursday night.
First was when I was on Route 118, Soraviyas said.
A craft was traveling south. At first I thought it was a large transport aircraft.
It had six or eight lights on it and the thing was huge.
And it looked like it stopped and it turned and looked like it went perpendicular to the ground.
I then saw red, blue, and green lights on it.
Then it swerved and went in the other direction.
At first I thought it was a dirigibble because it seemed to be floating, but a dirigibble couldn't have moved.
Irrigible.
That's the article that was published and Sarovia comes up a little bit later in the week.
That straight up reminds me of like just Chelsea, type in dirigible into your search engine and that is an airship.
Oh yeah, that's what they call a zeppelin.
Zeppelin.
A blimp.
That is definitely a blimp.
Okay, I didn't know that they went by that name.
We still use blimps.
There's very few left in the world.
Never seen one.
On with the article.
Sarovia, the police officer, comes up later in the episode.
This article that I just read to you gets a lot of attention from a research group associated with J.L. and Heineck,
which we will remember from such projects as Project Sign and Project Blue Book and then such centers as the Center for UFO Studies.
This group starts an investigation on the sightings and later becomes a book entitled Night Siege,
the Hudson Valley UFO sightings, which was authored by J.L. and Heineck, Philip J. and Brogno and Bob Pratt as a side note between me and you.
Nobody else listened.
I've previously enjoyed Philip J. and Brogno.
I've read a few of his books.
However, I believe there's something there between himself and J.L. and Heineck that we may want to look into for.
You mean like a love connection?
No, it's more of a love hate connection, I think.
I think he was up to ask all things.
It's all hearsay.
I've heard it in passing, but I think it might be a good episode to do.
Well, he will go on to the list.
Yeah, I can't remember if I put it there or not, but when listening to this episode, I will do that.
So everyone can start listening again.
When these guys open a UFO hotline, do with the sightings.
They receive over 300 calls for just the date alone of March 24th.
So it leads us to another sighting.
And a UFO is now known as an UAP in case you're confused.
There's a UFO that moves up the teaconic parkway, which is a road, I think, in a sort of zed-like pattern.
And describe the craft as being, you guessed it, triangular shape with 30 to 40 colored lights along the back edge.
Huge as if there's such a thing as a flying city.
This was it.
People were pulling over off the parkway to watch the object as it slowly moved through the sky.
March 24th.
Remember, that's the sighting that this is.
Side note on this, at this point, I'm questioning my own mental thought process.
Someone says, triangle UFO to you, Taylor.
What do you think of?
The Arizona sighting.
So you're thinking of the same thing they're describing here, like a V shape or boomerang shape.
Yeah, I have never in my life thought of a triangle UFO as that shape.
I thought 3D, like literal trying to do a V shape.
Yeah.
Okay, no, we thought it was more like a B2 bomber, like fairly narrow.
So I'm starting to realize that I've been picturing these UFOs wrong the whole time.
They'll see.
A pyramid and a triangle are different things.
That's a triangle, is it not, though?
Well, a pyramid is a three-dimensional triangle, but it can be of different bases.
You're right.
Because if it was a pyramid, you would say pyramid so that people pictured it in their minds correctly, right?
Yeah, I would hope.
Yeah.
Although that wouldn't work that well because there's many different pyramid shapes.
And we'd only be seeing the bottom and only so many pyramids are triangular on the bottom,
whereas they can have as many sides as you really want.
Only if you're looking straight up at it, though, right?
It's dark, so you can only really see it from the bottom.
And the Egyptian pyramids are four-sided.
Technically six-sided, I believe, but four-sided.
So if you saw from the bottom, you would say it's a flying square.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
So this has been eye-opening to me.
I have thinking of UFOs that are triangle-shaped wrong my whole entire life.
They've found out the way they described it in this setting.
So I was a little bit shaken by that.
Let's go back to the setting.
The object then cruises over the community of Yorktown, probably in the Hudson Valley,
but I did not fact-check that.
So it could be in Connecticut, where the police were so overrun with reports that they were concerned
they weren't going to be able to take emergency calls.
This was also being called into these guys who set up the UFO hotline.
Whoever someone can call, they're calling to make the report about this sighting.
Lots of people saw it.
Another report includes a group of guards at the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant,
where a UFO slash UAP hovered over one of the active nuclear reactors for some minutes,
coming as close to the reactor dome as 30 feet.
Now, that is fucking close.
The security supervisor even considered ordering guards to shoot it down.
One guard described it as being the length of three football fields.
I would assume that's fairly accurate, being that this was 30 feet off the ground.
Like, that's huge.
I can't even wrap my head around that.
And why would you be like, shoot it down?
Would that not cover like the whole base?
Wouldn't it?
I feel like something's off here, but this is...
Yeah.
I'm just relaying information at this point.
30 feet off the ground is close.
And 300 yards long, like a thousand feet ish.
Walk out the sun, you're right.
That is big.
That's the sighting that I'm just relaying the information here.
Someone may be bad at guesstimating things, is my guess.
See that thing 30 feet away?
Holy shit.
It's just like the guessing of weight.
Dennis Sant, who worked in the local government,
had his own sighting, March 17, 1983, from his home in Brewster, New York.
Oh, it was a very large object.
The structure of it was very dark gray, metallic, almost girder type looking.
No idea what that means.
Objects seemed to be very silent.
Lights were iridescently bright.
They stood out in the sky and three dimension.
It looked like a city of lights.
It just hung in the sky, all brilliant colors.
We followed the object around to the backyard.
At that point, a feeling of fright came upon me.
Thoughts started to flood my mind.
Thoughts of the craft touching ground.
Thoughts of an encounter with an alien being.
Thoughts of being abducted.
All types of fearful thoughts started to enter my mind.
And quote, super creepy on that one.
Yeah, that's his sighting.
That's kind of the only one that I have that is that way.
I wanted to include it because it's very creepy.
I feel like this guy was probably abducted just based on that description
of what he encountered.
Another sighting by Andy Sadov of the New Castle Police
had his own encounter while on patrol.
I was working. This is him talking. This isn't me.
I never had this experience.
I was working 4 p.m. to midnight tour
and assigned to set up some radar to look for speeding cars.
And I looked up into the sky and saw a series of lights.
At first, I thought it was a plane.
It was quite a distance, quite far away, but it was.
It really was quite large.
As I recall, there were mostly white lights,
but there were green lights also.
It was alternating green and white lights.
It approached my vehicle and it stopped and seemed to hover.
And I'm looking at this thing thinking, what is it?
I wasn't afraid. I was just amazed and I was in awe of it.
I didn't know what it was.
The only thing I recall the most is I was amazed that there was no noise.
There is no humming. There is no engine.
There is no sound. It was absolutely silent.
I feel like I'd be a little unsettled that I would see it coming
and then it just stops over my car.
At virtually the same time, Ed Burns, who is a computer engineer
and senior manager for IBM, was driving home on the Teconic Parkway
10 miles north of Officer Saddof's location.
This is Ed quoting here.
Out of nowhere, I got a lot of static on the radio.
I thought maybe I was looking on the wrong number
and then I went over to turn the dial again
and that's when I looked up and saw this craft.
It was a triangular ship.
Sorry, I got an interrupt with quote.
I'm still picturing a frickin pyramid.
It's not ever going to leave my head because that's how I learned it.
Back to the quote.
And the back had to be as large as a football field at least
and there was no noise.
Those damn Americans always using football fields.
They do like to measure things in football fields.
That's part of the what do they use? The metric system?
We use the metric. It's the imperial system.
Opposite of metric.
That's what they use. Football fields.
It's just not metric. They will never use metric.
Join the rest of the world, you guys.
So Ed pulled off the highway and joined a group of motorists by the side of the road.
According to Ed, they were all staring at the sky seemingly dumbstruck.
I would call it starstruck.
That just makes sense, say at this point.
Right? Dumbstruck, starstruck.
Quote, I'm not into astronomy,
but what I have witnessed that night was not from this planet.
End quote.
Eyewitness reports indicate the object was slowly moving north
over the Hudson River Valley.
Officers said off and at least 12 other cars saw it in Newcastle.
10 minutes later, Ed Burns and at least 20 motorists saw it near Millwood.
10 minutes later after that, the phones began ringing off the hook
in the police station in Yorktown.
Officer William Wolfe Jr. was the dispatcher on duty that night.
Quote, every line kept going, every single line,
constantly answering the phone. Another line would light up.
I'd answer the next line and another would light up.
Got to the point, the country parkway stopped.
The people were out of their cars.
It was starting to get really crazy.
I tried calling the cars to find out if they saw anything.
And the only one that called Kevin said that he would stop in.
So here's Kevin Cervilla.
Officer Kevin Cervilla arrived a few minutes later and testified
that he had seen the object twice in a 45 minute period.
He also saw the lights reported by dozens of Yorktown residents.
This is the guy from the article.
This is that same sighting.
Quote, the object was extremely large.
I estimated it to be close to 300 to 400 yards wide.
We stood out in front facing to the north and approximately
about five minutes later, the object began to appear
from the northern horizon.
Officer Cervilla convinced that he saw a large object
with a number of small light.
He says, I would say approximately 16, 18 lights running in a B formation.
Approximately 200 to 400 yards wide.
Peding what he just said in the previous quote.
Obviously he's talking to a lot of news outlets.
I was standing between the lights to see any type of solid structure
where he may have basically been staring at the lights himself.
Or be a describe the object stopped mid air and term perpendicular
before reversing course and heading away from view.
That's one large sighting that happened one night over like a major highway.
I'm assuming where multiple people saw it.
I'm going to move on to a couple of their sightings from the way that happened.
I got this one from Reddit from somebody asking if anybody had actually
witnessed the events from the Hudson Valley wave.
Reddit user 10-54 EDP relate his sighting.
He says, I saw these UFOs twice in the early mid 1980s in the lower Hudson Valley.
The first was on the Teconic State Parkway in the area of Yorktown Putnam Valley.
It was triangular slash boomerang shape.
It was a couple of miles from me and looked quite impressive.
I never got close to it and I was in a moving car.
My view was not very good.
The second sighting was in Putnam County and on Route 6 near the Carmel Meho-Pack border.
Probably a month or two after the first sighting.
I was much closer this time and I was alongside a reservoir.
I was able to stop and get out of the car for a stationary look.
It looked impressive.
A bunch of lights flying in a large boomerang shape.
But as I got closer, I began to hear the drone of the engines,
which got louder the closer I got.
I also noticed as it got closer that I could see stars between the lights of this craft.
This object was not solid.
These lights, while appearing to be a solid object in the distance,
became to look like separate lights flying in formation as it got closer.
At times, slight variations in speed and distance between the lights were observable,
making the formation vary.
At a distance, this looked good, but once it was closer,
the illusion fell apart, revealing itself to be the prank it was.
I believe it was several ultra lights with bright lights flying in formation.
So he didn't even think there was a structure behind it.
Yes, kind of.
There's obviously some structures, but it was coming together.
It was lights in formation, not necessarily like with a rigid grid touching them, though.
Yeah. Now I'm going to touch kind of on this.
I just want to say quickly while we're still on the subject,
that could be flares from a plane, because we've seen that explanation before.
They don't stay in formation, but that would likely be an explanation
that's going to be put forward as my guess.
It's not.
Oh, OK.
I've never seen flares as an explanation for this.
Interesting.
So clearly this guy does seem, I mean, ultra lights are planes, I believe.
He has two separate sightings in this.
Sightings are a part of an explanation for this,
which I will get to right after this last sighting.
So just pin that.
This sighting comes from Sherry Williams, October 28th,
2022.
She was fourth.
That's not when the sighting happened.
She was driving south on the Teconic from Saumur's exit to Asinning FD,
where I volunteered on ambulance duty while going to paramedic school in White Plain.
All of these places, no idea where she's talking about, but you have the information.
It's been so many years past, but I saw this huge sky filling thing over the parkway.
The immensity of it and no sound and closeness to the ground made me pull over to the shoulder,
get out and stand there looking at it.
I can't remember if it was dusk or dark, but this giant triangular shape was black
and blotted out the sky.
It was way bigger than the highway lanes north and south.
Other cars were pulling off and people walking around in groups or singly to view whatever this was.
A football fielder, too, couldn't be a good measure.
To me, it was almost horizon size, not moving.
No sound at all.
Holy crap, that would be scary.
I don't remember if there were lights on it.
I must have moved off because I drove to Asinning thinking whatever that was, it was crazy.
I was intrigued, but not frightened at all.
The next day, my next door neighbor, Gail, called me and she knew I was on the Teconic
because her daughter Kimmy babysat my kids that night.
Gail worked for AT&T and it spotted a notice in the paper asking if you saw the thing to call this number.
It was 800 number.
Gail decided to check out what that number was associated to.
And it was listed as being a number to a Chinese laundry.
At that time, only government had 800 numbers or ritzy places.
So we were worried even about calling it.
We didn't.
Gail, by the way, was on her way back home from work and pulled off the Teconic to watch this thing.
So we both saw it about the place north and south lines.
I wish I could remember more, but raising five kids sort of burned out my brain long term memory.
That makes it a real exciting.
Yeah.
Right there.
We have some pretty major sightings of these huge UFOs flying all over the place in the Hudson Valley.
Most of the major ones that got so many witnesses were the ones that were flying over this parkway.
It was a highway.
And Chelsea, I just wanted to say I looked up what an ultra light is.
Do you remember that movie Fly Away Home with like just Daniel and that girl flying the geese?
Oh, sure do.
Yeah, those are ultra lights.
They are.
They're like gliders with an engine.
Some reason I didn't think those existed in real life.
Neither did I, but here they are.
Ultra light.
So you put forth the flares.
I think it's funny that that never came up because that is a major explanation of the Phoenix lights.
So I'm shocked at that.
The major thing on this one is planes.
Investigators did find evidence that some of the reports of the V-shaped may have been a group of small planes flying out of Stormville Airport, as we saw on that one reddit explanation.
You could see spots between it, the pilots seem to have been flying their planes information in a deliberate attempt for a UFO hoax with all these sightings going on.
Plane hoax only clears up a small number of reports in this overall period of time when mass amounts of people are experiencing it.
Yeah, seeing.
I'm experiencing having these sightings.
Again, my English is gone today.
Most observers reported that the lights moved together as a solid object and they couldn't see through it.
It was all part of one big craft.
There's could see the body of the UFO between the lights.
That also, it just seems incredibly dangerous to be doing this hoax at night.
That just seems like a terrible idea.
It's America, so I would suspect people to be idiotic enough to do it.
But you bring up a good point, especially if it's a light aircraft like fly away home.
You're not going to see the people next to you if you're trying to do formations.
It seems like a tough.
And it's not like radar is going to help you fly in formation.
Like a lot of that is being done visually.
Yeah, none of the observers who had seen both the planes and the object thought they were the same phenomenon.
So obviously, based on that statement, there were people who saw both.
Pine Nick also said that researchers were fighting a publicity war with the military because military officials sought to ridicule anyone who reported a sighting.
Oh, pilots ever came forward on this hoax and were named in regards to that.
Good explanations for most of the Hudson Valley sightings.
The only object that moves slowly through the air and hovers most silently is a blimp.
Whatever that weird word, derp.
Irrigable.
Also known as I'll never remember that word for the rest of my life.
Researchers contacted all blimp operators because it's a dying art in the area and could find no matches between the blimp schedules and the UFO reports.
By the way, Chelsea, how many blimps do you think are left in the world?
I believe we've talked about this and it's probably like three.
There's 25 and half of them are actually operational.
Really?
Yeah.
So the odds of it being that are.
Well, this was the 80s, so different time.
Or if they were operational.
Yes.
It was so popular then.
No one could find any matches between the blimp schedules and the UFO reports.
I don't know whether blimps do fly at night and it was widely speculated at the time that the object was a formation of ultra light planes.
Seems unlikely even what we were just saying as the UFO was nearly silent,
could hover and carry tremendously bright lights.
All things ultra light aircraft are incapable of doing.
Apparently they're incapable of a whole lot.
So in my book.
The only thing they can do is fly geese to where they migrate.
Exactly.
In my mind.
That is the right deal to disguise as a goose.
But yeah, that's the end of the episode.
That was a couple interesting sightings for the Hachinali UFO wave.
Although one thing I would say for the slow moving nature of it is if there was a strong wind,
it could slow them down and basically make them like not moving in the sky.
If they're an ultra light.
Yeah.
So light, of course.
Yeah.
You can move with the wind.
So that could help with that.
If they're going against the wind they could ever.
Yeah.
Strong enough wind.
It would also explain the erratic nature of it too.
Although staying in formation in that would be next to impossible.
That's so funny.
In the middle of night.
I like that.
Thank you for bringing that to us.
You're welcome.
But just remember they got to get those geese home somehow.
They do.
Even at night.
Nobody noticed any squawking of geese though.
That automatically rules it out there, noisy fuckers.
So that's my episode.
In my opinion, this is something happening here.
Yes.
It's interesting.
We're not going to leave you with disappointment on this one other than some of them could have been
ultra light aircrafts hovering there because they're going against the wind.
A sudden custom wind.
But other than that, good sightings.
I think something happened.
I can't imagine seeing a UFO UAP of that size without it being a nerving.
Everyone seemed OK with it though.
Yeah.
And I think the best thing about this episode is we have managed to avoid it being associated with the genocide.
So I guess it's still young in its life.
So we'll see what happens.
I was just going to say I couldn't miss that part.
Yeah.
Any last parting thoughts?
It just I'm curious because only that one guy said it was dirigible like.
Overall, it does seem to have the same nature as the airship wave.
It's like moving.
However, its shape is distinctly different.
So it's interesting.
And the more we look at waves like this, I think we might see some similarities and key differences as we've only looked at a couple.
So I'm excited to look at more.
Yeah, me too.
Me too.
Because I'm so far have not been disappointed by airship waves or UFO waves.
Yeah, true.
So that's reason enough to keep with it.
But yeah, I mean, we're seeing the same kind of explanations come up with them.
And every so often we get a new explanation.
I look forward to the next explanation on the next wave.
In the meantime, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea.
We are Journey to the Fringe.
Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week.
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