1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,720 Okay, Chelsea, I found this article while we were going over the 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,480 intro topic of the last episode, not the one I did, the one you did. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:09,800 It's about the AI. 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,840 And I am so happy I found this article because it is fantastic. 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,440 It's on futurism.com. 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,960 It is written by a dad love. 7 00:00:19,080 --> 00:00:20,240 No, maybe not. 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,440 I don't know where the name of the, I guess it is dad love. 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:23,920 Huh? 10 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:25,160 No, sorry, sorry. 11 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,200 It's by Maggie Harrison, May 18th, 2020, 2023. 12 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,120 Title of the article. 13 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,280 AI company says it will perform a seance on your dead loved ones. 14 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,680 We're trying to make it sound as magical and as mystical as possible. 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,520 So AI, once again, coming for those good jobs. 16 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:41,800 It is a good job. 17 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,720 As the Greek myth goes, the nymph Eurydice was killed only a few hours 18 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,520 after she married the musician Orpheus. 19 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,120 Consumed by grief, Orpheus traveled to the underworld to find his late wife, 20 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:54,680 where he played a song so sad that his rulers Hades and Persephone told the 21 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,480 musician that he and Eurydice could go back, albeit under one condition. 22 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,440 All Orpheus had to do was wait until they were back in the land of the living 23 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:02,880 to turn around and see his bride. 24 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,760 But he couldn't wait and he looked too soon and Eurydice was forced back into 25 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:06,280 the underworld. 26 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:08,240 Orpheus lost her all over again. 27 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:11,800 Drowed narrative history from ancient mythology to modern stories like 28 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,960 Petch Cemetery, bringing lost loved ones back from the dead has been 29 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:17,000 generally regarded as a pretty big no. 30 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,040 As the tales will tell, bringing the dead back to life will result in the 31 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,040 resurrection of some horrible silhouette or at the least a vacant one, 32 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,400 empty of whatever it was that made that person them. 33 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,360 Often the attempt at resurrection destroys a necromancer, 34 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,240 whether by hand or some macabre force, or just the extra heartbreak of losing 35 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,560 the loved one twice. 36 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,360 Fascinatingly, however, I'm skipping ahead a bit, that's where an upcoming 37 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,000 service called Seon's AI, yes, it's actually called that, sets itself apart. 38 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,600 It's built by a software development lab called AE Studio, where its creator, 39 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,840 a designer named Jaren Rocks, isn't shy about the straightforwardness of the 40 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,560 product's name. 41 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,760 While other companies often talk about the implications of resurrection, 42 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,040 Rock leans full tilt into the guliness and according to him, it's very intentional. 43 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,760 Quote, we're trying to make it sound as magical and as mystical as possible. 44 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,400 Rocks told Futurism saying that the name is a call to attention over how 45 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,680 advanced large language models have gotten. 46 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,720 LLMs, or large language models, after all, are convincing simulation. 47 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,320 People are forming deep parasocial bonds with them, and at least one person has 48 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,280 led to have died as a result of their interaction with an AI chatbot. 49 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,520 No idea who that is, maybe that's for another article at some point. 50 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,240 If a user is looking for a final conversation with someone they've lost, 51 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,040 maybe it is better to give them a product that blatantly claims to allow them a 52 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:35,080 brief conversation with the deceased, rather than imply that the soul of a 53 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,880 dead friend or parent is trapped in chat GBT. 54 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:41,080 Rocks also emphasizes the seance's head brevity. 55 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,120 Often, after a loss, whatever last words or moments you had with someone good or 56 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,840 bad are seared into your memory. 57 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,760 And in many cases, an accident say, there's often no goodbye at all. 58 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,080 Rocks likens his product to an AI generated Ouija board for closure rather 59 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,600 than a means of immortality. 60 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,960 Quote, it is essentially meant to be a short interaction that can provide a 61 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,040 sense of closure. 62 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,200 That's really where the main focus is here. 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,760 It's not meant to be something super long term. 64 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,320 In its current state, it's meant to provide a conversation for closure and 65 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:11,480 emotional processing. 66 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,200 In other words, whatever seance AI gives you isn't really your loved one. 67 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,440 It's just a digital psychic briefly summoning a digital representation of 68 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,920 the deceased so that the living can have one last conversation. 69 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,720 In fact, the founder even admits that in seance AI's current state, it can't 70 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,720 really hold a long conversation anyways. 71 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,560 Quote, or short conversations. 72 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,560 I think it feels decently human. 73 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:36,640 I think it falls apart a little bit when you start to pick up repetitions. 74 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:37,920 It's following a pattern. 75 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,160 It doesn't really know exactly what's going on in a demo. 76 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,600 Rocks provided for Futurism. 77 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,080 Seance AI guided the user through a series of queries about the individual 78 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:46,920 they're trying to reach. 79 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,280 Name, age, cause of death, a short list of personality traits the user can 80 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,640 adjust to suit their loved one, a space where users can input a snippet of 81 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,440 text from the deceased and then cease relationship to the users and others. 82 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,080 Once that information is given, the cheesiest part of the process and 83 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,240 the animated flame greets the user as the chatbot loads. 84 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,800 A text box appears and from there you are basically just sending a DM. 85 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,040 It's seance roleplay meets AOL instant messenger, which as Rock explained to 86 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,160 us, you can soon access yourself for a to be determined cost. 87 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,360 Though a studios had considered charging a monthly subscription fee, Rock says 88 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,560 they're now leaning towards a pay per session model to deter users from 89 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,040 summoning the dead too often. 90 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,520 You know, as one does. 91 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,640 I think that's far enough into the article. 92 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,560 Chelsea, how do you feel about this? 93 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:30,360 Not great. 94 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,000 Based on a number of things. 95 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:32,760 I don't know. 96 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,120 I guess AI is just one of those things that are starting to take off. 97 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,160 So I don't know if this would actually, I don't think you should be summoning 98 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,080 the dead at all. 99 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:41,440 Really? 100 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:42,920 Because who knows what you're doing? 101 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:48,240 So I don't know the implications of that in kind of reaching out to an AI with 102 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,000 the intention of summoning something. 103 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,640 And they're saying like this is AI. 104 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,080 To me, it's not actually someone who actually wants to do a seance to do this. 105 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,320 It's probably more someone that's desperate to contact somebody. 106 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:00,760 Yeah. 107 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,360 Well, and like it does kind of make sense. 108 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:08,720 It can take everything that you've ever posted online, liked or is associated 109 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:14,000 with your internet footprint to come up with a response that you would likely have. 110 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,720 That is actually an interesting use of the technology to replace somebody who has 111 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,200 died and really becomes a ship of Theseus to an extent of if it's responding 112 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,400 in the same way you would or is powerful enough to basically take your whole 113 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,760 personality into it. 114 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,640 Are you really living on at that point? 115 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,080 But beyond the idea of this podcast, I thought it was just a fun idea. 116 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:32,520 Yeah, no. 117 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,560 And you bring up a very good point on that as well. 118 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,840 And another sad example of technology taking the good jobs. 119 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,640 It'll never be able to tap its toes the way we can, though. 120 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,440 No, we're like cracker knuckles. 121 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,440 Cracker toe knuckles in that ever so great way. 122 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,280 Yeah. 123 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,480 Anyhow, Chelsea, are you ready to get into this episode? 124 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:53,560 Yeah, let's do it. 125 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:54,320 OK. 126 00:05:54,320 --> 00:06:02,920 OK, from the unexplained to the mundane, come join us on a journey to the fringe. 127 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,840 Hello and welcome to Journey to the Fringe, where we may not aim to disappoint, 128 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,680 but by God, do some of these fantastical conspiracy stories that seem fun at 129 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,880 first leave us very little option other than disappointment and genocide. 130 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,920 Surprisingly enough, I came up with that before we just did that other episode. 131 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,120 It was written down. 132 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,640 We are your upset but accepting podcast hosts, Taylor and Chelsea. 133 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,920 And today, Chelsea has completely done an episode without me knowing anything about it. 134 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,120 So I will just kind of let her take it from you. 135 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,840 I never tell you what I'm doing. 136 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:46,480 And I never heard us summed up so completely well in those two words that I just 137 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,320 forgot what they were that you said. 138 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,720 But that is an pointed but accepting house. 139 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,920 Yes, that is us. That is us. 140 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,560 So I'm on a mission this week with this episode. 141 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,400 I don't even know why I'm telling you because the mission is a secret. 142 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,920 It's a journey to the fringe secret. 143 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:06,200 We're continuing on with the wave theme inspired by Taylor's 1897 airship wave episode. 144 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,520 And this episode is mostly about the Hudson Valley UFO wave in the 80s, 145 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,080 more specifically between 1982 and 1984. 146 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,120 That's the time frame, not more specifically about what the episode is about. 147 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:23,000 In case you're like me and have no idea the region on earth that the Hudson Valley occupies. 148 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:28,120 This would be the area in and around the Hudson River, which is located in the state of New York 149 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,320 in the United States. 150 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,240 And the area is about one hour north of New York City. 151 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,960 I think that's pretty close to Canada. 152 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,600 The sightings were seen not just over the Hudson Valley, but as far east as New Haven, 153 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,120 Connecticut, and as far north as Brookfield, Connecticut. 154 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,040 The Hudson Valley UFO wave is just easier to say. 155 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,080 So I guess they just went with that. 156 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:54,440 I'm not familiar with Connecticut, so I'm not actually sure like how large of an area this is. 157 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,840 I don't think it's very big because although states over there are small. 158 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,400 You're aware enough of Connecticut to know how to say it, which is good. 159 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,680 Connecticut. 160 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:08,720 Now that the area is established, I can catch you up to speed on the happenings of the wave. 161 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,760 Basically, there's a bunch of UFOs that got together and over a couple of years, 162 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,400 they decided that this was the place to be seen. 163 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,360 And boy, were they seen there. 164 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:18,240 That sums it up. 165 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:19,480 I'll give you some sightings. 166 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,400 New Year's Eve, 1982. 167 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:22,840 No name retired. 168 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:23,880 No name again. 169 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:29,680 No name retired police officer located in Kent, New York is one of the first to lay eyes 170 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,360 on a strange V shaped slash boomerang shape. 171 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:34,160 Boomerang. 172 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,320 At least in this situation, we have a bit more idea of what he does for a living. 173 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,880 It's not just a businessman who smells alfalfa. 174 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,720 Yeah, it's true. 175 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,200 That's still so bizarre. 176 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,480 I think about that every so often. 177 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,080 How did we not get that job? 178 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,880 How do you get that job? 179 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,520 No name police officer. 180 00:08:53,560 --> 00:09:00,880 He is laying his eyes on a V shaped slash boomerang shape formation with multi colored lights from his backyard. 181 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:06,080 Lights were red, green and white and passed over his house and an estimated 500 feet. 182 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,960 No name initially thought he was looking at an aircraft in trouble. 183 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:15,160 But upon second look, he realized that it was moving way too slow and quietly to be an airplane. 184 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:23,200 In fact, the only noise it emitted was a distant humming sound, which in my opinion is super creepy and also proved me wrong 185 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,720 because in my mind, UFOs make the sounds that Tesla's electric cars make. 186 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,840 Yeah, or as the Simpsons put it, a comb with wax paper over it. 187 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,640 Yeah, that works too. 188 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:39,480 No name made an observation that the lights appearing in a V shape appeared to be connected by a dark 189 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,800 triangular fuselage and sighting. 190 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:48,480 What no name observed was observed many more times in the Hudson Valley over the next couple of years and is one of the most widely 191 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:55,360 observed UFO events accumulating over 5000 eyewitnesses, including quote unquote, incredible witnesses. 192 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,880 Named witnesses. 193 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,920 Some of them are and they're including police officers. 194 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,240 They're including people from all walks of life. 195 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:14,240 The majority of the witnesses also describe a solid V shaped UFO, often described as being the size of a football field and being made up of a very dark gun gray metal. 196 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,720 Can't say I've ever heard of that color before, but somehow I'm picturing it. 197 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,080 I know exactly what they're talking about. 198 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:26,880 The sightings sound being emitted from whatever it is they're seeing is either silent or humming. 199 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:35,280 UFO sighted seems to glide over large areas causing dozens of sightings in one night and is never spotted during the day. 200 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:52,120 And while most sightings describe the UFOs moving at very slow speed, hovering or turning slowly like a wheel, a few reports describe the object is suddenly zooming away at incredible speeds or just simply blinking out of reality, I guess, just blinking out and it's gone. 201 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,960 Like it's kind of described as the exact same speed as the airships, actually. 202 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:56,880 That it is. 203 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,760 Outside of its shape, it actually kind of sounds a lot like it. 204 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:00,200 Yeah. 205 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,160 And there are some similarities that I think we will get to. 206 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:10,240 Generally speaking, UFOs and things that are unknown in the sky do tend to act the same. 207 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:15,240 In some accounts, the shape varies so that the lights appear in more of a circle than a V. 208 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,440 Often the color and arrangements of the lights changed as they watched. 209 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:27,000 In a few cases, reports put the object at two distant locations at the same time, suggesting there might be more than one of them. 210 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,720 I mean, I just assume that, but I think it needed to be said. 211 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,080 The object also seemed to be interested in bodies of water. 212 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:43,400 One observer watched the UFO over Croton, Croton Falls Reservoir, where it seems to use a red beam to probe the surface. 213 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:54,520 There is an article that was published in the Westchester Rockland Daily Item on March 26, 1983 that I'm going to read once I find it. 214 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:59,120 Hundreds claim to have seen UFO by E. B. Walzer, daffrater. 215 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:05,720 In Yorktown, people don't usually call the police when visitors arrive from out of town, as long as they aren't from outer space. 216 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:15,720 Thursday night, Yorktown police and neighboring departments were flooded with calls from people who said they had seen strange lights in the sky, an unidentified flying object. 217 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:25,200 The descriptions of the object matched those given exactly a week earlier by people in Putnam County who had reported seeing lights over Interstate 84. 218 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:33,000 The lights, callers said, were arranged in a V shape and appeared to be placed along the edges of a large triangular flying craft. 219 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:42,520 More than a hundred calls were received Thursday night, mostly by police in New Yorktown, but also in Newcastle, Mount Kisco, Carmel, and Putnam Valley. 220 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:44,760 I did not know there was a New Yorktown. 221 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,600 No, Yorktown. 222 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:47,600 Okay. 223 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:55,240 Yorktown patrolman Kevin Sarovia saw the lights twice within a 45 minute period Thursday night. 224 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,280 First was when I was on Route 118, Soraviyas said. 225 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:04,040 A craft was traveling south. At first I thought it was a large transport aircraft. 226 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,360 It had six or eight lights on it and the thing was huge. 227 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:12,160 And it looked like it stopped and it turned and looked like it went perpendicular to the ground. 228 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,800 I then saw red, blue, and green lights on it. 229 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,120 Then it swerved and went in the other direction. 230 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:23,600 At first I thought it was a dirigibble because it seemed to be floating, but a dirigibble couldn't have moved. 231 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:24,560 Irrigible. 232 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:29,680 That's the article that was published and Sarovia comes up a little bit later in the week. 233 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:36,200 That straight up reminds me of like just Chelsea, type in dirigible into your search engine and that is an airship. 234 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,640 Oh yeah, that's what they call a zeppelin. 235 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:40,320 Zeppelin. 236 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,120 A blimp. 237 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:42,800 That is definitely a blimp. 238 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,240 Okay, I didn't know that they went by that name. 239 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,520 We still use blimps. 240 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:48,200 There's very few left in the world. 241 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,160 Never seen one. 242 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,480 On with the article. 243 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,400 Sarovia, the police officer, comes up later in the episode. 244 00:13:53,400 --> 00:14:00,680 This article that I just read to you gets a lot of attention from a research group associated with J.L. and Heineck, 245 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:08,760 which we will remember from such projects as Project Sign and Project Blue Book and then such centers as the Center for UFO Studies. 246 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:14,520 This group starts an investigation on the sightings and later becomes a book entitled Night Siege, 247 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:23,520 the Hudson Valley UFO sightings, which was authored by J.L. and Heineck, Philip J. and Brogno and Bob Pratt as a side note between me and you. 248 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:24,560 Nobody else listened. 249 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,560 I've previously enjoyed Philip J. and Brogno. 250 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,000 I've read a few of his books. 251 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:36,680 However, I believe there's something there between himself and J.L. and Heineck that we may want to look into for. 252 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,240 You mean like a love connection? 253 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,040 No, it's more of a love hate connection, I think. 254 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,240 I think he was up to ask all things. 255 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,240 It's all hearsay. 256 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,720 I've heard it in passing, but I think it might be a good episode to do. 257 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,200 Well, he will go on to the list. 258 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:56,160 Yeah, I can't remember if I put it there or not, but when listening to this episode, I will do that. 259 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,480 So everyone can start listening again. 260 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,680 When these guys open a UFO hotline, do with the sightings. 261 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:07,480 They receive over 300 calls for just the date alone of March 24th. 262 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,160 So it leads us to another sighting. 263 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,920 And a UFO is now known as an UAP in case you're confused. 264 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:19,120 There's a UFO that moves up the teaconic parkway, which is a road, I think, in a sort of zed-like pattern. 265 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:26,440 And describe the craft as being, you guessed it, triangular shape with 30 to 40 colored lights along the back edge. 266 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,400 Huge as if there's such a thing as a flying city. 267 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:30,640 This was it. 268 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,920 People were pulling over off the parkway to watch the object as it slowly moved through the sky. 269 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:36,960 March 24th. 270 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:38,840 Remember, that's the sighting that this is. 271 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,040 Side note on this, at this point, I'm questioning my own mental thought process. 272 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,160 Someone says, triangle UFO to you, Taylor. 273 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,280 What do you think of? 274 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,680 The Arizona sighting. 275 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:54,960 So you're thinking of the same thing they're describing here, like a V shape or boomerang shape. 276 00:15:55,000 --> 00:16:00,200 Yeah, I have never in my life thought of a triangle UFO as that shape. 277 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:05,480 I thought 3D, like literal trying to do a V shape. 278 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:06,120 Yeah. 279 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,320 Okay, no, we thought it was more like a B2 bomber, like fairly narrow. 280 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:15,800 So I'm starting to realize that I've been picturing these UFOs wrong the whole time. 281 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:16,400 They'll see. 282 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,920 A pyramid and a triangle are different things. 283 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,960 That's a triangle, is it not, though? 284 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,920 Well, a pyramid is a three-dimensional triangle, but it can be of different bases. 285 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:26,520 You're right. 286 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:32,560 Because if it was a pyramid, you would say pyramid so that people pictured it in their minds correctly, right? 287 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,200 Yeah, I would hope. 288 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:34,760 Yeah. 289 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:39,240 Although that wouldn't work that well because there's many different pyramid shapes. 290 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,680 And we'd only be seeing the bottom and only so many pyramids are triangular on the bottom, 291 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,080 whereas they can have as many sides as you really want. 292 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,160 Only if you're looking straight up at it, though, right? 293 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,800 It's dark, so you can only really see it from the bottom. 294 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,040 And the Egyptian pyramids are four-sided. 295 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,920 Technically six-sided, I believe, but four-sided. 296 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,040 So if you saw from the bottom, you would say it's a flying square. 297 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,480 Yeah, that's true. 298 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:03,280 That's true. 299 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,000 So this has been eye-opening to me. 300 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:11,320 I have thinking of UFOs that are triangle-shaped wrong my whole entire life. 301 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:15,040 They've found out the way they described it in this setting. 302 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,400 So I was a little bit shaken by that. 303 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:18,800 Let's go back to the setting. 304 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:24,040 The object then cruises over the community of Yorktown, probably in the Hudson Valley, 305 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,920 but I did not fact-check that. 306 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,960 So it could be in Connecticut, where the police were so overrun with reports that they were concerned 307 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,680 they weren't going to be able to take emergency calls. 308 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,080 This was also being called into these guys who set up the UFO hotline. 309 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:41,960 Whoever someone can call, they're calling to make the report about this sighting. 310 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,280 Lots of people saw it. 311 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,800 Another report includes a group of guards at the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant, 312 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:55,040 where a UFO slash UAP hovered over one of the active nuclear reactors for some minutes, 313 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,600 coming as close to the reactor dome as 30 feet. 314 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,560 Now, that is fucking close. 315 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:06,000 The security supervisor even considered ordering guards to shoot it down. 316 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,080 One guard described it as being the length of three football fields. 317 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:14,400 I would assume that's fairly accurate, being that this was 30 feet off the ground. 318 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:15,480 Like, that's huge. 319 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,320 I can't even wrap my head around that. 320 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:19,400 And why would you be like, shoot it down? 321 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,320 Would that not cover like the whole base? 322 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:21,920 Wouldn't it? 323 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,160 I feel like something's off here, but this is... 324 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:24,800 Yeah. 325 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,120 I'm just relaying information at this point. 326 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,760 30 feet off the ground is close. 327 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,800 And 300 yards long, like a thousand feet ish. 328 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,960 Walk out the sun, you're right. 329 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,440 That is big. 330 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,760 That's the sighting that I'm just relaying the information here. 331 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,040 Someone may be bad at guesstimating things, is my guess. 332 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,840 See that thing 30 feet away? 333 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:46,760 Holy shit. 334 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,560 It's just like the guessing of weight. 335 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:55,200 Dennis Sant, who worked in the local government, 336 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:00,240 had his own sighting, March 17, 1983, from his home in Brewster, New York. 337 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,000 Oh, it was a very large object. 338 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:06,880 The structure of it was very dark gray, metallic, almost girder type looking. 339 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,160 No idea what that means. 340 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,240 Objects seemed to be very silent. 341 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,280 Lights were iridescently bright. 342 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,160 They stood out in the sky and three dimension. 343 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,840 It looked like a city of lights. 344 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,680 It just hung in the sky, all brilliant colors. 345 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,160 We followed the object around to the backyard. 346 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,880 At that point, a feeling of fright came upon me. 347 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:26,840 Thoughts started to flood my mind. 348 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,800 Thoughts of the craft touching ground. 349 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,360 Thoughts of an encounter with an alien being. 350 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:32,880 Thoughts of being abducted. 351 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,800 All types of fearful thoughts started to enter my mind. 352 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,320 And quote, super creepy on that one. 353 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:39,960 Yeah, that's his sighting. 354 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,880 That's kind of the only one that I have that is that way. 355 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,200 I wanted to include it because it's very creepy. 356 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:51,400 I feel like this guy was probably abducted just based on that description 357 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,120 of what he encountered. 358 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:57,240 Another sighting by Andy Sadov of the New Castle Police 359 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,440 had his own encounter while on patrol. 360 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,840 I was working. This is him talking. This isn't me. 361 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,280 I never had this experience. 362 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,920 I was working 4 p.m. to midnight tour 363 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,080 and assigned to set up some radar to look for speeding cars. 364 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:11,640 And I looked up into the sky and saw a series of lights. 365 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,360 At first, I thought it was a plane. 366 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,440 It was quite a distance, quite far away, but it was. 367 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,360 It really was quite large. 368 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,560 As I recall, there were mostly white lights, 369 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,160 but there were green lights also. 370 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,360 It was alternating green and white lights. 371 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,800 It approached my vehicle and it stopped and seemed to hover. 372 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,480 And I'm looking at this thing thinking, what is it? 373 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,040 I wasn't afraid. I was just amazed and I was in awe of it. 374 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,360 I didn't know what it was. 375 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,160 The only thing I recall the most is I was amazed that there was no noise. 376 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,240 There is no humming. There is no engine. 377 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,200 There is no sound. It was absolutely silent. 378 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,200 I feel like I'd be a little unsettled that I would see it coming 379 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,360 and then it just stops over my car. 380 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:55,840 At virtually the same time, Ed Burns, who is a computer engineer 381 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:01,040 and senior manager for IBM, was driving home on the Teconic Parkway 382 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,160 10 miles north of Officer Saddof's location. 383 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,640 This is Ed quoting here. 384 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,320 Out of nowhere, I got a lot of static on the radio. 385 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:10,920 I thought maybe I was looking on the wrong number 386 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,360 and then I went over to turn the dial again 387 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,680 and that's when I looked up and saw this craft. 388 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,120 It was a triangular ship. 389 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,640 Sorry, I got an interrupt with quote. 390 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,440 I'm still picturing a frickin pyramid. 391 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,080 It's not ever going to leave my head because that's how I learned it. 392 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:26,000 Back to the quote. 393 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,760 And the back had to be as large as a football field at least 394 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,160 and there was no noise. 395 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,560 Those damn Americans always using football fields. 396 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,280 They do like to measure things in football fields. 397 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,840 That's part of the what do they use? The metric system? 398 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,080 We use the metric. It's the imperial system. 399 00:21:42,120 --> 00:21:43,400 Opposite of metric. 400 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,600 That's what they use. Football fields. 401 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,520 It's just not metric. They will never use metric. 402 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,640 Join the rest of the world, you guys. 403 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,240 So Ed pulled off the highway and joined a group of motorists by the side of the road. 404 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,400 According to Ed, they were all staring at the sky seemingly dumbstruck. 405 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,040 I would call it starstruck. 406 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,480 That just makes sense, say at this point. 407 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,200 Right? Dumbstruck, starstruck. 408 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,840 Quote, I'm not into astronomy, 409 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,640 but what I have witnessed that night was not from this planet. 410 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,200 End quote. 411 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,840 Eyewitness reports indicate the object was slowly moving north 412 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,480 over the Hudson River Valley. 413 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,920 Officers said off and at least 12 other cars saw it in Newcastle. 414 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,120 10 minutes later, Ed Burns and at least 20 motorists saw it near Millwood. 415 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,800 10 minutes later after that, the phones began ringing off the hook 416 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,640 in the police station in Yorktown. 417 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,360 Officer William Wolfe Jr. was the dispatcher on duty that night. 418 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,000 Quote, every line kept going, every single line, 419 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,600 constantly answering the phone. Another line would light up. 420 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,800 I'd answer the next line and another would light up. 421 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,560 Got to the point, the country parkway stopped. 422 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,160 The people were out of their cars. 423 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,920 It was starting to get really crazy. 424 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,440 I tried calling the cars to find out if they saw anything. 425 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,160 And the only one that called Kevin said that he would stop in. 426 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,200 So here's Kevin Cervilla. 427 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,280 Officer Kevin Cervilla arrived a few minutes later and testified 428 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,560 that he had seen the object twice in a 45 minute period. 429 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,080 He also saw the lights reported by dozens of Yorktown residents. 430 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:08,640 This is the guy from the article. 431 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,000 This is that same sighting. 432 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,240 Quote, the object was extremely large. 433 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,040 I estimated it to be close to 300 to 400 yards wide. 434 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,120 We stood out in front facing to the north and approximately 435 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,920 about five minutes later, the object began to appear 436 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,360 from the northern horizon. 437 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,640 Officer Cervilla convinced that he saw a large object 438 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,840 with a number of small light. 439 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:33,160 He says, I would say approximately 16, 18 lights running in a B formation. 440 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,880 Approximately 200 to 400 yards wide. 441 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,400 Peding what he just said in the previous quote. 442 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,080 Obviously he's talking to a lot of news outlets. 443 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,040 I was standing between the lights to see any type of solid structure 444 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,640 where he may have basically been staring at the lights himself. 445 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,680 Or be a describe the object stopped mid air and term perpendicular 446 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,360 before reversing course and heading away from view. 447 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,000 That's one large sighting that happened one night over like a major highway. 448 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,320 I'm assuming where multiple people saw it. 449 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:07,600 I'm going to move on to a couple of their sightings from the way that happened. 450 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,960 I got this one from Reddit from somebody asking if anybody had actually 451 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,200 witnessed the events from the Hudson Valley wave. 452 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,680 Reddit user 10-54 EDP relate his sighting. 453 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:25,480 He says, I saw these UFOs twice in the early mid 1980s in the lower Hudson Valley. 454 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:30,360 The first was on the Teconic State Parkway in the area of Yorktown Putnam Valley. 455 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,000 It was triangular slash boomerang shape. 456 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,680 It was a couple of miles from me and looked quite impressive. 457 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,800 I never got close to it and I was in a moving car. 458 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,200 My view was not very good. 459 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:47,120 The second sighting was in Putnam County and on Route 6 near the Carmel Meho-Pack border. 460 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,480 Probably a month or two after the first sighting. 461 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,960 I was much closer this time and I was alongside a reservoir. 462 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,200 I was able to stop and get out of the car for a stationary look. 463 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,320 It looked impressive. 464 00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:00,680 A bunch of lights flying in a large boomerang shape. 465 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,040 But as I got closer, I began to hear the drone of the engines, 466 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,000 which got louder the closer I got. 467 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:11,000 I also noticed as it got closer that I could see stars between the lights of this craft. 468 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,840 This object was not solid. 469 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,360 These lights, while appearing to be a solid object in the distance, 470 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,160 became to look like separate lights flying in formation as it got closer. 471 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,560 At times, slight variations in speed and distance between the lights were observable, 472 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,160 making the formation vary. 473 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,280 At a distance, this looked good, but once it was closer, 474 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,000 the illusion fell apart, revealing itself to be the prank it was. 475 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,400 I believe it was several ultra lights with bright lights flying in formation. 476 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,760 So he didn't even think there was a structure behind it. 477 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,560 Yes, kind of. 478 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,760 There's obviously some structures, but it was coming together. 479 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,520 It was lights in formation, not necessarily like with a rigid grid touching them, though. 480 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,680 Yeah. Now I'm going to touch kind of on this. 481 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,440 I just want to say quickly while we're still on the subject, 482 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,080 that could be flares from a plane, because we've seen that explanation before. 483 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,840 They don't stay in formation, but that would likely be an explanation 484 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,600 that's going to be put forward as my guess. 485 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,280 It's not. 486 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,080 Oh, OK. 487 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:11,200 I've never seen flares as an explanation for this. 488 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:11,760 Interesting. 489 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,400 So clearly this guy does seem, I mean, ultra lights are planes, I believe. 490 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,440 He has two separate sightings in this. 491 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,480 Sightings are a part of an explanation for this, 492 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,680 which I will get to right after this last sighting. 493 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,720 So just pin that. 494 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,280 This sighting comes from Sherry Williams, October 28th, 495 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,240 2022. 496 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,720 She was fourth. 497 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,160 That's not when the sighting happened. 498 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:39,920 She was driving south on the Teconic from Saumur's exit to Asinning FD, 499 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,480 where I volunteered on ambulance duty while going to paramedic school in White Plain. 500 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,240 All of these places, no idea where she's talking about, but you have the information. 501 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:55,680 It's been so many years past, but I saw this huge sky filling thing over the parkway. 502 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,640 The immensity of it and no sound and closeness to the ground made me pull over to the shoulder, 503 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,560 get out and stand there looking at it. 504 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,560 I can't remember if it was dusk or dark, but this giant triangular shape was black 505 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:08,960 and blotted out the sky. 506 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,880 It was way bigger than the highway lanes north and south. 507 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:17,840 Other cars were pulling off and people walking around in groups or singly to view whatever this was. 508 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,440 A football fielder, too, couldn't be a good measure. 509 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,400 To me, it was almost horizon size, not moving. 510 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,280 No sound at all. 511 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,640 Holy crap, that would be scary. 512 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,560 I don't remember if there were lights on it. 513 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,760 I must have moved off because I drove to Asinning thinking whatever that was, it was crazy. 514 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,840 I was intrigued, but not frightened at all. 515 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,760 The next day, my next door neighbor, Gail, called me and she knew I was on the Teconic 516 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,360 because her daughter Kimmy babysat my kids that night. 517 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,200 Gail worked for AT&T and it spotted a notice in the paper asking if you saw the thing to call this number. 518 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,720 It was 800 number. 519 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,120 Gail decided to check out what that number was associated to. 520 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,600 And it was listed as being a number to a Chinese laundry. 521 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,680 At that time, only government had 800 numbers or ritzy places. 522 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,640 So we were worried even about calling it. 523 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,280 We didn't. 524 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,120 Gail, by the way, was on her way back home from work and pulled off the Teconic to watch this thing. 525 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,240 So we both saw it about the place north and south lines. 526 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,720 I wish I could remember more, but raising five kids sort of burned out my brain long term memory. 527 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,480 That makes it a real exciting. 528 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:20,840 Yeah. 529 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,440 Right there. 530 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:27,880 We have some pretty major sightings of these huge UFOs flying all over the place in the Hudson Valley. 531 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:34,040 Most of the major ones that got so many witnesses were the ones that were flying over this parkway. 532 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:34,880 It was a highway. 533 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,960 And Chelsea, I just wanted to say I looked up what an ultra light is. 534 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,760 Do you remember that movie Fly Away Home with like just Daniel and that girl flying the geese? 535 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:42,560 Oh, sure do. 536 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,800 Yeah, those are ultra lights. 537 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,280 They are. 538 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,040 They're like gliders with an engine. 539 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,600 Some reason I didn't think those existed in real life. 540 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,400 Neither did I, but here they are. 541 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:51,080 Ultra light. 542 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,320 So you put forth the flares. 543 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,880 I think it's funny that that never came up because that is a major explanation of the Phoenix lights. 544 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,920 So I'm shocked at that. 545 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,120 The major thing on this one is planes. 546 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:16,560 Investigators did find evidence that some of the reports of the V-shaped may have been a group of small planes flying out of Stormville Airport, as we saw on that one reddit explanation. 547 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:26,160 You could see spots between it, the pilots seem to have been flying their planes information in a deliberate attempt for a UFO hoax with all these sightings going on. 548 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:35,400 Plane hoax only clears up a small number of reports in this overall period of time when mass amounts of people are experiencing it. 549 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,200 Yeah, seeing. 550 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,560 I'm experiencing having these sightings. 551 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,760 Again, my English is gone today. 552 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:46,360 Most observers reported that the lights moved together as a solid object and they couldn't see through it. 553 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,160 It was all part of one big craft. 554 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,120 There's could see the body of the UFO between the lights. 555 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,320 That also, it just seems incredibly dangerous to be doing this hoax at night. 556 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,280 That just seems like a terrible idea. 557 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,160 It's America, so I would suspect people to be idiotic enough to do it. 558 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,720 But you bring up a good point, especially if it's a light aircraft like fly away home. 559 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,680 You're not going to see the people next to you if you're trying to do formations. 560 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:11,720 It seems like a tough. 561 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,280 And it's not like radar is going to help you fly in formation. 562 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,120 Like a lot of that is being done visually. 563 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:22,440 Yeah, none of the observers who had seen both the planes and the object thought they were the same phenomenon. 564 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,400 So obviously, based on that statement, there were people who saw both. 565 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:36,200 Pine Nick also said that researchers were fighting a publicity war with the military because military officials sought to ridicule anyone who reported a sighting. 566 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,840 Oh, pilots ever came forward on this hoax and were named in regards to that. 567 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,920 Good explanations for most of the Hudson Valley sightings. 568 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,480 The only object that moves slowly through the air and hovers most silently is a blimp. 569 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,520 Whatever that weird word, derp. 570 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,200 Irrigable. 571 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:51,960 Irrigable. 572 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,240 Also known as I'll never remember that word for the rest of my life. 573 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:05,840 Researchers contacted all blimp operators because it's a dying art in the area and could find no matches between the blimp schedules and the UFO reports. 574 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,560 By the way, Chelsea, how many blimps do you think are left in the world? 575 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,960 I believe we've talked about this and it's probably like three. 576 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,720 There's 25 and half of them are actually operational. 577 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:15,120 Really? 578 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,400 Yeah. 579 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,320 So the odds of it being that are. 580 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,320 Well, this was the 80s, so different time. 581 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,160 Or if they were operational. 582 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:22,760 Yes. 583 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,560 It was so popular then. 584 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,640 No one could find any matches between the blimp schedules and the UFO reports. 585 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:37,360 I don't know whether blimps do fly at night and it was widely speculated at the time that the object was a formation of ultra light planes. 586 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,000 Seems unlikely even what we were just saying as the UFO was nearly silent, 587 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,840 could hover and carry tremendously bright lights. 588 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,280 All things ultra light aircraft are incapable of doing. 589 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,640 Apparently they're incapable of a whole lot. 590 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:51,840 So in my book. 591 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,000 The only thing they can do is fly geese to where they migrate. 592 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:55,800 Exactly. 593 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,600 In my mind. 594 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,880 That is the right deal to disguise as a goose. 595 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,880 But yeah, that's the end of the episode. 596 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,640 That was a couple interesting sightings for the Hachinali UFO wave. 597 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:15,320 Although one thing I would say for the slow moving nature of it is if there was a strong wind, 598 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,240 it could slow them down and basically make them like not moving in the sky. 599 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,280 If they're an ultra light. 600 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:21,680 Yeah. 601 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,280 So light, of course. 602 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:23,560 Yeah. 603 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,080 You can move with the wind. 604 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,760 So that could help with that. 605 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,680 If they're going against the wind they could ever. 606 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,800 Yeah. 607 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,800 Strong enough wind. 608 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,400 It would also explain the erratic nature of it too. 609 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,480 Although staying in formation in that would be next to impossible. 610 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,520 That's so funny. 611 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,440 In the middle of night. 612 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,120 I like that. 613 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,520 Thank you for bringing that to us. 614 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,240 You're welcome. 615 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,840 But just remember they got to get those geese home somehow. 616 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:53,680 They do. 617 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,160 Even at night. 618 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,400 Nobody noticed any squawking of geese though. 619 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,480 That automatically rules it out there, noisy fuckers. 620 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,000 So that's my episode. 621 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,480 In my opinion, this is something happening here. 622 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,120 Yes. 623 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:08,160 It's interesting. 624 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,520 We're not going to leave you with disappointment on this one other than some of them could have been 625 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,360 ultra light aircrafts hovering there because they're going against the wind. 626 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,000 A sudden custom wind. 627 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,080 But other than that, good sightings. 628 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,800 I think something happened. 629 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:28,040 I can't imagine seeing a UFO UAP of that size without it being a nerving. 630 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,840 Everyone seemed OK with it though. 631 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,120 Yeah. 632 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,960 And I think the best thing about this episode is we have managed to avoid it being associated with the genocide. 633 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,240 So I guess it's still young in its life. 634 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,600 So we'll see what happens. 635 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,960 I was just going to say I couldn't miss that part. 636 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,760 Yeah. 637 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,200 Yeah. 638 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,640 Any last parting thoughts? 639 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,640 It just I'm curious because only that one guy said it was dirigible like. 640 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,400 Overall, it does seem to have the same nature as the airship wave. 641 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,640 It's like moving. 642 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,960 However, its shape is distinctly different. 643 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,240 So it's interesting. 644 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:05,800 And the more we look at waves like this, I think we might see some similarities and key differences as we've only looked at a couple. 645 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,360 So I'm excited to look at more. 646 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,240 Yeah, me too. 647 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:08,760 Me too. 648 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,800 Because I'm so far have not been disappointed by airship waves or UFO waves. 649 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:14,840 Yeah, true. 650 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,840 So that's reason enough to keep with it. 651 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,000 But yeah, I mean, we're seeing the same kind of explanations come up with them. 652 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,280 And every so often we get a new explanation. 653 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,040 I look forward to the next explanation on the next wave. 654 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,520 In the meantime, I have been Taylor here with Chelsea. 655 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,080 We are Journey to the Fringe. 656 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,160 Thank you all for listening and we'll see you next week. 657 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:32,720 Okay. 658 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,240 Thank you for listening to Journey to the Fringe. 659 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,360 If you have liked what you have listened to, please like, share, subscribe or follow, 660 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,440 depending on what venue you are listening to us through. 661 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:52,520 Also, please, if possible, leave a five star review, as that really helps us in the algorithms. 662 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,680 Should you wish to interact with us, please check us out on your social media of choice. 663 00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:59,040 I bet you we are there. 664 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:04,160 And if you really want to communicate with us and give us ideas for new episodes or tell us 665 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:10,720 that we're wrong and terrible, either way, please send us an email at journey to the fringe at gmail.com. 666 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:17,720 For now, I'll see you in the next episode.